When the man on the motorcycle pulled alongside the convicted gangster Niccolo Ingarao on a Palermo street and shot him four times in the chest and once in the head, he murdered the most studious Mafia boss of modern times.
It emerged yesterday that when Mr Ingarao, 46, was not barking orders at underlings, extorting protection money or counting the takings as the gang boss of the Porta Nuova neighbourhood, he was an avid student of philosophy.
Twenty-four hours before his execution-style killing, seen as a bloody move in the power struggle that followed the arrest of the capo di capi Bernardo Provenzano, Ingarao took an exam in the history of philosophy at Palermo University. His professor at the university, Pietro di Giovanni, said he did very well.
Where else do ya piss?
smalfish, tinfoil hatted |
06.16.07 - 3:32 pm | #
from below:
Property is a pretty good measure of wealth. Henry George saw this years ago ("Progress and Poverty" 1879). The problem is that so many are excluded from paying tax (the catholic church is the second largest landowner in NYC). Plus public work projects like interstate highways have removed massive amount of property from the tax roles. For example, when they put I-75 through Dayton, Ohio, they grabbed a huge amount of riverfront property and devalued anything near it. Why shouldn't the government have to pay taxes on its assets and property? Because we still believe in government as rulers who can own us rather than us owning them.
spinoza |
06.16.07 - 3:32 pm | #
RealClimate.org has a pretty good link up for those who need a primer on global warming. There's a range of info geared towards a range of people, from complete beginners to somewhat educated to experts. I've found I've used it much lately. Go here.
Moe Szyslak |
Homepage |
06.16.07 - 3:33 pm | #
Group masturbation's not my bag, man.
Every third Sunday behind the Tastee Freeze. Be there, you might find the experience "enlightening".
smalfish, tinfoil hatted |
06.16.07 - 3:33 pm | #
"When the man on the motorcycle pulled alongside the convicted gangster Niccolo Ingarao on a Palermo street and shot him four times in the chest and once in the head, he murdered the most studious Mafia boss of modern times."
Reminds me of Philly back in the early 1980s.
Terry C - Free Woody! |
Homepage |
06.16.07 - 3:33 pm | #
The English language and secret history
On page 81 of today’s Guardian weekly entertainment guide, BBC2’s ‘Rome’ is heartily recommended: “More sexy toga antics with a heavy dose of shagging, carousing and duffings.”
No doubt the Guardian’s affluent, educated readership will be aware that “duffings” means “beatings”. The verb “to be duffed up” means “to be beaten up.”
However, I wonder how many readers will be aware that this verb derives from the activities of Douglas V. Duff (1901 – 197.
Who he?
He was a state terrorist employed by the U.K. government during the British Mandate in Palestine. His particular expertise was torturing Arabs.
Terry C: Reminds me of Philly back in the early 1980s.
Hey, maybe getting the faster scooter will allow me to take on a second job...!
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Jeffraham Prestonian |
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06.16.07 - 3:35 pm | #
Why shouldn't the government have to pay taxes on its assets and property?
Now that's really pretty silly. Government being taxed by the people, for the people?
smalfish, tinfoil hatted |
06.16.07 - 3:35 pm | #
It's going to rain all weekend here.
Ha.
fourlegsgood, kittened
Doesn't matter to him.
He'll just stay inside and drink himself blotto.
Terry C - Free Woody! |
Homepage |
06.16.07 - 3:35 pm | #
Gordon Brown has promised to set out "an economic road map" to build peace in the Middle East.
Speaking at the final Labour leadership hustings in London, the Chancellor promised new investment for the Palestinian territories.
Mr Brown, who takes over later this month as Prime Minister, said that he still believed that there could be a "two states" solution to the Middle East, despite the recent violence in Gaza.
However, he also emphasised the importance of tackling poverty in the Palestinian territories if there was to be a lasting settlement.
Da Boyz got their balcony back?
Terry C - Free Woody! |
Homepage |
06.16.07 - 3:36 pm | #
The British police chief in Jerusalem, Douglas Duff, described such methods in his memoir published in 1953. He tells how to apply physical force without leaving marks.
A man right after Dick Cheney's black heart.
Apprentice to Darth Holden |
06.16.07 - 3:36 pm | #
It's going to rain all weekend here.
Ha.
This is the craziest June weather evah!
smalfish, tinfoil hatted |
06.16.07 - 3:36 pm | #
It's not your bag? uh...groovy.
bub |
06.16.07 - 3:37 pm | #
You know, if someone would piss in the kool-aid, maybe the republicans would stop drinking it.
fourlegsgood, kittened |
Homepage |
06.16.07 - 3:37 pm | #
Terry C: Da Boyz got their balcony back?
They did! Here's Curly and L.E. enjoying it, this morning.
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Jeffraham Prestonian |
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06.16.07 - 3:38 pm | #
LIEBERMAN: I have no idea. Then to say that Petraeus is out of touch? I mean, Harry Reid in Washington says David Petraeus, who's in Baghdad, away from his family, heroically trying to rally our forces and succeed over in Iraq... that he's out of touch? I mean, it's just - the danger here - my colleagues who have been opposed to the war have said "we're opposed to the war, but we support our troops." But when you start to attack the top two generals, you know, that's... that's wrong.
That's been the standard right-wing line for a couple of days now -- if you disapprove of a general, then you're necessarily anti-military and deserve to have your patriotism questioned. Yesterday, the Republican National Committee issued a statement saying that Reid "attack[ed] our military." Conservatives online are following along, insisting without reason that Reid made "anti-military slurs."
Since when is it heresy to question the competence of military leaders? Pace's tenure has, at times, been rocky. His relationship with congressional leaders has, at times, been awkward. For that matter, Petraeus' judgment has come under question of late. There need not be a rule that military leaders must remain criticism-free at all times.
Indeed, if generals must be exempted from criticism, and those who spend their lives in military service should not be questioned, why is it that John McCain offered some harsh words, in public, for the last general to command U.S. troops in Iraq? Opposing Gen. George Casey's confirmation as the Army's chief of staff, McCain cited the general's "unrealistically rosy" assessments and "failed leadership" and told him: "I question seriously the judgment that was employed in your execution of your responsibilities in Iraq. And we have paid a very, very heavy price in American blood and treasure because of what is now agreed to by literally everyone as a failed policy."
Was this outrageous, too? Did conservatives condemn McCain for levying a personal attack on a general in a time of war?
Or is it more likely the case that Republicans and Lieberman are desperate to manufacture scandals, whether the facts support them or not?
Richard |
06.16.07 - 3:41 pm | #
See picture at bottom of page (no not Mark Foley!).
Pussy brings out the best in me.
NTodd, Scign Cult Leader |
Homepage |
06.16.07 - 3:41 pm | #
Jesus FUCK!
John Bolton is Rudy's foreign policy adviser.
watertiger
Rudy seems to be pursuing a "buy high, sell low" investment strategy.
jac |
06.16.07 - 3:41 pm | #
I'm going to go prep for dinner. Maybe someone will post something positive by the time I get back, so my mood will change.
What an awful six and a half years we've had. Disgusting.
mer | 06.16.07 - 3:38 pm | #
They are both batshit insane.
fourlegsgood, kittened |
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06.16.07 - 3:44 pm | #
John Bolton is Rudy's foreign policy adviser.
Guiliani's campaign slogan: If you thought Bush wasn't incompetent and insane enough, vote for me.
Richard |
06.16.07 - 3:44 pm | #
That's like having Hitler as your cantor. Good luck Rudy!
You shoulda heard Adolf recite the Kaddish, man.
NTodd, Scign Cult Leader |
Homepage |
06.16.07 - 3:45 pm | #
Guiliani's campaign slogan: If you thought Bush wasn't incompetent and insane enough, vote for me.
What is really scary is that this slogan actually appeals to the base.
Apprentice to Darth Holden |
06.16.07 - 3:45 pm | #
will Bolton accept Rudy's cross dressing?
unless Bolton has a request that Rudy dress up like Pammy Juggs
Moonbootica, Ninjabi |
Homepage |
06.16.07 - 3:45 pm | #
John Bolton is Rudy's foreign policy adviser.
they met at a key party at Jeanne Kirkpatrick's in '77
Jim |
06.16.07 - 3:45 pm | #
you wanna know what the democratic congress is like?
it's like a 50 car pileup on the interstate with numerous fatalities, burning cars, injured people, children cant find their parents, you name it.
and then the authorities announce that an Amish Dr. has been dispatched and is horsing up the carriage and will be leaving for the 40 mile journey shortly.
that's what the congress is like.
illyakran |
06.16.07 - 3:45 pm | #
Jesus FUCK!
John Bolton is Rudy's foreign policy adviser.
watertiger | Homepage | 06.16.07 - 3:40 pm | #
hey imagine complaining about the starting lineup on your favourite baseball team and somebody says 'well if you can do a better job than do it.'
all you can say is 'wtf?'
illyakran |
06.16.07 - 3:47 pm | #
P.S. NTodd, you gotta admit that pic and caption were pretty funny.
I found it to be horribly inappropriate and I shall be alert the moderator of this online forum to delete your fucking account.
NTodd, Scign Cult Leader |
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06.16.07 - 3:47 pm | #
Guiliani's campaign slogan: If you thought Bush wasn't incompetent and insane enough, vote for me.
Julie Annie = Mussolini II, Electric Boogaloo.
Plunger handles for everyone!
Terry C - Free Woody! |
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06.16.07 - 3:47 pm | #
hey imagine complaining about the starting lineup on your favourite baseball team and somebody says 'well if you can do a better job than do it.'
Yeah, 'cept government is by the People. Baseball ain't.
NTodd, Scign Cult Leader |
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06.16.07 - 3:48 pm | #
they met at a key party at Jeanne Kirkpatrick's in '77
The woman who thought that being tortured by "authoritarians" was less painful than being tortured by "totalitarians".
Apprentice to Darth Holden |
06.16.07 - 3:48 pm | #
"Red Dawn" is on AMC. Odd those invaders speak spanish.
spinoza |
06.16.07 - 3:49 pm | #
That's like having Hitler as your cantor. Good luck Rudy!
they met at a key party at Jeanne Kirkpatrick's in '77
introduced by Kurt Waldheim
Moonbootica, Ninjabi |
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06.16.07 - 3:50 pm | #
P.S. NTodd, you gotta admit that pic and caption were pretty funny.
I found it to be horribly inappropriate and I shall be alert the moderator of this online forum to delete your fucking account.
NTodd, Scign Cult Leader | Homepage | 06.16.07 - 3:47 pm | #
So. I can post haloscams, but no longer fuck online?
they met at a key party at Jeanne Kirkpatrick's in '77
I thought it was in the Leather Room at Plato's Retreat.
watertiger |
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06.16.07 - 3:51 pm | #
The woman who thought that being tortured by "authoritarians" was less painful than being tortured by "totalitarians".
Which was perfectly easy to accept if, like her, you weren't the one being tortured.
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Gee, Gravatarless since '04 |
06.16.07 - 3:51 pm | #
It's interesting that the on the banners it's just "Rudy" or "Rudy08".
Reminds me of "Lamar!"
Apprentice to Darth Holden |
06.16.07 - 3:51 pm | #
they met at a key party at Jeanne Kirkpatrick's in '77
I thought it was in the Leather Room at Plato's Retreat.
watertiger
Back later, when I find some brain bleach.
jac |
06.16.07 - 3:52 pm | #
"Red Dawn" is on AMC. Odd those invaders speak spanish.
Oh, so THAT'S where all the trools are.
whacking off to their favorite right wing fantasy.
Terry C - Free Woody! |
Homepage |
06.16.07 - 3:52 pm | #
I think a lot of the 28 percenters think that chimpy's problem was that he lost his nerve and didn't go crazy enough.
Rudy will appeal to them. So will the Mitt.
fourlegsgood, kittened |
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06.16.07 - 3:52 pm | #
Yeah, 'cept government is by the People. Baseball ain't.
That's the supposed case. Problem is, Baseball is market centric and more open to suggestions and actually act on them. Government, not so much.
smalfish, tinfoil hatted |
06.16.07 - 3:52 pm | #
It's interesting that the on the banners it's just "Rudy" or "Rudy08".
He's fashioning himself after Cher.
Complete with the Bob Mackie gowns.
watertiger |
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06.16.07 - 3:52 pm | #
I thought it was in the Leather Room at Plato's Retreat.
Jeanne was throwing her little soiree there.
Apprentice to Darth Holden |
06.16.07 - 3:52 pm | #
"Red Dawn" is on AMC. Odd those invaders speak spanish.
Filthy pro-Castro Cubans and Nicaraguans!
Richard |
06.16.07 - 3:52 pm | #
Terry C - still have that cartoon? You know the one.
No - the guy answering the door saying something like "No thanks, I'm a Republican" one.
JeffCO |
06.16.07 - 3:52 pm | #
Vote for me, and I promise to have an even more fucked up foreign policy!
/ julie rudyiany
"A broom handle up the ass of every Brown Terrorist who pisses me off!"
Supreme Commander Thor |
06.16.07 - 3:53 pm | #
they met at a key party at Jeanne Kirkpatrick's in '77
I thought it was in the Leather Room at Plato's Retreat.
That's where the party was. Duh.
fourlegsgood, kittened |
Homepage |
06.16.07 - 3:53 pm | #
Complete with the Bob Mackie gowns.
Which are to die for!
Apprentice to Darth Holden |
06.16.07 - 3:53 pm | #
Complete with the Bob Mackie gowns.
watertiger
the headdresses make him look taller!
Jim |
06.16.07 - 3:54 pm | #
Bush warns he'll veto runway spending
No more welfare for Supermodels, dangit!!!
Salty Lake |
06.16.07 - 3:54 pm | #
Oh, so THAT'S where all the trools are.
whacking off to their favorite right wing fantasy.
"Oh, yeah . . . drink their blood, drink their blood! . . . oh, you naught little Wolverine girl, you!"
Supreme Commander Thor |
06.16.07 - 3:54 pm | #
Death comes to us all in the end, but yesterday it paid a special visit to the Stoneleigh Park exhibition centre, outside Coventry, for the biggest-ever gathering of the British funeral industry. And the message it came to deliver was clear: reaping doesn't always have to be grim.
"I'll never forget the first time I exhibited these ones," said Mary Tomes, of Colourful Coffins, gesturing at a display of caskets covered in vivid nature photographs, sports team colours, and sparkling holographic foil. (Another vendor, a few feet away, was exhibiting a coffin designed to look like a KitKat.) "I went to a big meeting, took them along, and when I unveiled them, everybody just sat and stared. Nobody said anything for ages. My husband said, 'Maybe you better sit down.' But eventually someone asked how much they cost, and after that, it all just took off."
You're either in, or you're out!
Supreme Commander Thor |
06.16.07 - 3:55 pm | #
Vote for me, and I promise to have an even more fucked up foreign policy!
The last man nearly ruined this place
He didn't know what to do with it.
If you think this country's bad off now
Just wait 'till I get through with it.
The treasury is low on dough;
The last man went and flew with it.
If you think we're short of money now
Just wait 'till I get through with it.
Terry C - Free Woody! |
Homepage |
06.16.07 - 3:55 pm | #
No one's seen Vestal Vespa, lately? I was gonna alert her to free gas in Denver for scooter riders, but I suspect it'd be a wash for her to ride up there to get it.
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Jeffraham Prestonian |
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06.16.07 - 3:56 pm | #
That's been the standard right-wing line for a couple of days now -- if you disapprove of a general, then you're necessarily anti-military and deserve to have your patriotism questioned.
I'm not at all patriotic about a damn thing the military is doing today and have told many of my wingnutted friends that when they start in with the asinine "support the troops" manure.
I also tell them I support the troops. I support bringing them home. Tomorrow.
billy b |
06.16.07 - 3:58 pm | #
Bushboy knows about as much about fiscal responsibility as he does Relativity theory, which is nada, zip, zero.
Could you imagine Bushboy, who could fuck up "Fool me once, shame on you," explaining Einstein's views on time and space?
I'd pay to see that.
Rudy - Free Woody |
Homepage |
06.16.07 - 3:59 pm | #
Terry C - still have that cartoon? You know the one.
No - the guy answering the door saying something like "No thanks, I'm a Republican" one.
JeffCO
Courtyard by Marriot will deliver the luxury hotel experience to the masses.
wood |
06.16.07 - 4:01 pm | #
Could you imagine Bushboy, who could fuck up "Fool me once, shame on you," explaining Einstein's views on time and space?
"The best way to describe this would be . . . 'It's about time, it's about space, two astronauts in the strangest place.' Yeah, used to love getting a buzz on and crashin' to that."
Supreme Commander Thor |
06.16.07 - 4:01 pm | #
And a Seething Webb to Terry C.
bo |
06.16.07 - 4:02 pm | #
I support the troops. I support bringing them home. Tomorrow.
billy b
Go Joe and don't let the door hit you in the ass - just go away.
He can't flip the Senate even if he registers as a Repub...go ahead and do it.
Harry Reid should show some balls and take this traitor's committee assignments away so he is nowhere near the Dem leadership.
Karatist Preacher |
06.16.07 - 4:03 pm | #
Do they have free coffee at Courtyard by Marriot?
wood |
06.16.07 - 4:03 pm | #
John Bolton is Rudy's foreign policy adviser.
watertiger
I'm composed of sawdust from Crawford.
wood |
06.16.07 - 4:04 pm | #
Do they have free coffee at Courtyard by Marriot?
They offer posthumous baptisms!
Terry C - Free Woody! |
Homepage |
06.16.07 - 4:04 pm | #
Harry Reid should show some balls and take this traitor's committee assignments away
It's all part of the plan. [/Repo Man]
JeffCO |
06.16.07 - 4:04 pm | #
I thought it was in the Leather Room at Plato's Retreat.
watertiger
Red leather, yellow leather
Red leather, yellow leather
Red leather, yellow leather
Red leather, yellow leather
Red leather, yellow leather
billy b |
06.16.07 - 4:04 pm | #
I'll be back in a little while
bill |
06.16.07 - 4:07 pm | #
TC -
I love that ribbon.
I have to get one for my office.
That'll drive em nuts.
billy b |
06.16.07 - 4:07 pm | #
""Red Dawn" is on AMC. Odd those invaders speak spanish.
WOLVERINES!"
You realize that, by the definition of the Bush Administration, those kids are "unlawful enemy combatants", and as such, are under no protection of the Geneva Conventions, nor the Constitution.
Chris Tucker |
Homepage |
06.16.07 - 4:07 pm | #
God, can Lieberman suck any more? Now he's trashing Harry Reid. HoJo is just such an asshole. I'm getting to hate him worse than Bush.
LIEBERMAN: I don't know what Harry Reid is up to. I was very upset, even offended, by what he said about General Pace and General Petraeus. Look, you call General Pace incompetent? That's abs - this is a man who has devoted his entire life to the Marine corps, the service of our country, defense of our country.
Which doesn't make you immune to being incompetent. I mean, look at you, Joe!
Supreme Commander Thor |
06.16.07 - 4:09 pm | #
there's a story at www.salon.com (behind subscription firewall) about how all the money that was supposed to be used in Colombia to train Colombians to fight the narcotraficantes is being spent on consultants, like in Iraq, and the Colombians aren't getting the training they were supposed to get.
mimi |
Homepage |
06.16.07 - 4:09 pm | #
I bought a wooden whistle
It wouldn't whistle.
Then I bought a steel whistle
and it steel wouldn't whistle
DWD - Dystopic |
Homepage |
06.16.07 - 4:11 pm | #
there's a story at www.salon.com (behind subscription firewall) about how all the money that was supposed to be used in Colombia to train Colombians to fight the narcotraficantes is being spent on consultants, like in Iraq, and the Colombians aren't getting the training they were supposed to get.
WOT gets better ratings than the war on drugs.
smalfish, tinfoil hatted |
06.16.07 - 4:11 pm | #
The Fenway Faithful are waving banners with an asterix on them, as Bonds steps up to the plate. Gotta love it...
bill buckner |
06.16.07 - 4:11 pm | #
Red leather, yellow leather
Red leather, yellow leather
OK, OK, aw jeez...red & yellow, friend of...no, wait...black & red, kills Fred...Help me out, here, this is important!
Elmer, PHD hisshissrattlerattl |
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06.16.07 - 4:13 pm | #
I made my wife's wingnut uncle's head explode by pointing out that if Red Dawn was about Iraq then we'd be playing the role of the commies.
Lab Coat Larry |
06.16.07 - 4:16 pm | #
Did you see Chevy Chase on Law And Order last night?
Man, that episode had some deep issues that were all negative to the progressive movement. There was a very hidden agenda in that one.
smalfish, tinfoil hatted |
06.16.07 - 4:16 pm | #
there's a story at www.salon.com (behind subscription firewall)
Want to get behind the "firewall"?
Click on Atrios's link to Glenn Greenwald. It gets you into Salon without you even having to click through a dumb advertisement.
Richard |
06.16.07 - 4:16 pm | #
I saw that Chevy Chase episode when it first aired.
trifecta |
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06.16.07 - 4:17 pm | #
PHILADELPHIA -- Earl Hartman was a little rattled by something he says he found in a can of green beans: a snake head. The Philadelphia man said he found the inch-long head on his plate Wednesday night, right between a chicken breast and buttered noodles. He said it came out of the green bean can. “Yep, it just lay there on the plate looking up at me with them beady little eyes. Hell, it looked like money to me!” He said through his lawyer Susan Foryeu.
LIEBERMAN: I don't know what Harry Reid is up to. I was very upset, even offended, by what he said about General Pace and General Petraeus. Look, you call General Pace incompetent? That's abs - this is a man who has devoted his entire life to the Marine corps, the service of our country, defense of our country.
trifecta |
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06.16.07 - 4:20 pm | #
OK, OK, aw jeez...red & yellow, friend of...no, wait...black & red, kills Fred...Help me out, here, this is important!
Elmer, PHD hisshissrattlerattl
Red and Yellow kill a fellow. . . .
DWD - Dystopic |
Homepage |
06.16.07 - 4:20 pm | #
Alf?
LIEbermans voice sounds just like the Dad on Alf. It's uncanny, check it out.
aangus |
Homepage |
06.16.07 - 4:21 pm | #
this is a man who has devoted his entire life to the Marine corps, the service of our country, defense of our country.
She's got such a fluid style of putting thoughts to word.
It would be much interesting to converse with her in depth. People in her district would be quite fortunate to select her.
Mr.Murder |
06.16.07 - 4:21 pm | #
"if only I could find a clear picture of Cher astride the big Navy guns..."
It would be much interesting to converse with her in depth. People in her district would be quite fortunate to select her.
Mr.Murder |
I was struck by that too. In that clip of her debate with Churchlady Musgrave, the difference between the latter's canned platitudes and Paccione's answer, with an idea expressed with a beginning, a middle, and an end.
Jim |
06.16.07 - 4:23 pm | #
God, can Lieberman suck any more? Now he's trashing Harry Reid. HoJo is just such an asshole. I'm getting to hate him worse than Bush.
Reid will get worked over pretty hard during tomorrow morning's squat and gobble shows. They need their weekly evil Dem 'scandal'.
btw Hey Joe, didn't Bush just FIRE that friggin' general?
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Agent Orange |
06.16.07 - 4:26 pm | #
bye for now
Moonbootica, Ninjabi |
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06.16.07 - 4:27 pm | #
If Pace were a civilian, would we be pretending everything in Iraq is going just great? If Pace is doing a good job, why was he not only fired but essentially replaced by Lute a month ago, in a job it took Bush several months to get anyone to yes to, fercrissake!
Jim |
06.16.07 - 4:29 pm | #
Reid will get worked over pretty hard during tomorrow morning's squat and gobble shows. They need their weekly evil Dem 'scandal'.
btw Hey Joe, didn't Bush just FIRE that friggin' general?
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Agent Orange
Why? Because he dissed Pace and Petraeus?
Diane C. Barking-Mad |
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06.16.07 - 4:29 pm | #
Thanks, again, Howie and Jaqrat. I have so much admiration for Hilda Solis. She was a great supporter of mine and a great help to our campaign in 2006.
If we want things to be different, we’ve got to do different things. That means speaking out. It means standing up and having the courage to stand for our convictions.
Our democracy needs it. In fact, our democracy demands it.
I’m not going to be intimidated by anything in this race. I know what it takes to go the distance, and I am in it all the way.
Best to you always!
Laters moonbats. Link is to comment 100, but John From Cincinnati fux up the the process. At least that's who I'm blaming.
Imagine her speaking on the floor or in committee...
Mr.Murder |
06.16.07 - 4:30 pm | #
After a life dedicated to the Marine Corps, George Bush fired Pace so he could spend more time with his family.
Compassionate Commander in Chiefism.
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Agent Orange |
06.16.07 - 4:31 pm | #
Even if a general is incompetent, YOU MUST NOT SAY IT.
The danger from saying it far outweighs the danger from the incompetent waging of war. Appearance is far more important than reality, people. Come on.
Nim, ham hock of liberty |
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06.16.07 - 4:33 pm | #
Imagine her speaking on the floor or in committee...
Mr.Murder | 06.16.07 - 4:30 pm | #
I figure somewhere in the dark depths of George Bush's little mind he sees himself as another Abraham Lincoln firing one general after another until he gets it right.
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Agent Orange |
06.16.07 - 4:35 pm | #
The president will soon run out of generals to run his war. Then what happens?
Diane C. Barking-Mad |
Homepage |
06.16.07 - 4:36 pm | #
The president will soon run out of generals to run his war. Then what happens?
It's like Uno: whoever runs out first wins!
NTodd, Scign Cult Leader |
Homepage |
06.16.07 - 4:37 pm | #
The president will soon run out of generals to run his war. Then what happens?
The president will soon run out of generals to run his war. Then what happens?
He promotes a few Kentucky Colonels.
Ralphie |
06.16.07 - 4:38 pm | #
I figure somewhere in the dark depths of George Bush's little mind he sees himself as another Abraham Lincoln firing one general after another until he gets it right.
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Agent Orange
I'd be surprised if he knew enough history to be able to formulate such a thought.
R. McGeddon |
06.16.07 - 4:38 pm | #
The president will soon run out of generals to run his war. Then what happens?
Are the Hessians still available?
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Agent Orange |
06.16.07 - 4:39 pm | #
When is Colonel Kadaffi getting promoted?
trifecta |
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06.16.07 - 4:40 pm | #
I'd be surprised if he knew enough history to be able to formulate such a thought.
R. McGeddon
Recall Bush a while back saying he read 3 Shakespeares, 2 Lincolns and a Camus!
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Agent Orange |
06.16.07 - 4:40 pm | #
I will say this about Gen. Pace. He was given the option of resigning, but he refused.
Diane C. Barking-Mad |
Homepage |
06.16.07 - 4:41 pm | #
When is Colonel Kadaffi getting promoted?
As soon as Colonel Kurtz steps down from the presidency.
smalfish, tinfoil hatted |
06.16.07 - 4:41 pm | #
The president will soon run out of generals to run his war. Then what happens?
There must be a whole bunch of bitter former Soviet generals. Putting them in Iraq might keep them from peddling nuclear material to rogue states.
R. McGeddon |
06.16.07 - 4:41 pm | #
Recall Bush a while back saying he read 3 Shakespeares, 2 Lincolns and a Camus!
And a really great tome about a pet goat.
Ralphie |
06.16.07 - 4:41 pm | #
I bought a wooden whistle
It wouldn't whistle.
Then I bought a steel whistle
and it steel wouldn't whistle
DWD - Dystopic | Homepage | 06.16.07 - 4:11 pm | #
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first they came for the wooden whistles. but i wasn't a communist so i didn't care.
then they came for the steel whistles. but i wasn't a jew so i didn't care.
I'm getting pretty tired of people telling me to write to my congressman. I have none. None that would even give me the time of day, that is.
smalfish, tinfoil hatted |
06.16.07 - 4:45 pm | #
I'm getting pretty tired of people telling me to write to my congressman. I have none.
Get a puppy instead. At least you can train them to poop outside.
NTodd, Scign Cult Leader |
Homepage |
06.16.07 - 4:47 pm | #
Recall Bush a while back saying he read 3 Shakespeares, 2 Lincolns and a Camus
Wonder if he can discuss any of those works intelligently, unlike the Bible when asked point blank after his "rebirth".
He's got the level of concentration that requires Cliff's Notes for the Readers' Digest.
MP |
Homepage |
06.16.07 - 4:47 pm | #
Mike Nifong says: "Take my license."
Snow, Contrary |
Homepage |
06.16.07 - 4:47 pm | #
I'm getting pretty tired of people telling me to write to my congressman.
I'm getting pretty tired of people telling me they're getting pretty tired.
I'm getting pretty tired of people telling me to write to my congressman. I have none. None that would even give me the time of day, that is.
smalfish, tinfoil hatted
I don't write Dianne Feinstein anymore. I call her local office and chew out whichever poor soul answers the phone.
I always feel better after venting.
Diane C. Barking-Mad |
Homepage |
06.16.07 - 4:48 pm | #
I'm getting pretty tired of people telling me to write to my congressman. I have none. None that would even give me the time of day, that is.
I write Henry Brown all of the time. If nothing else, it costs staff time to reply to me in a nonsensical way.
Snow, Contrary |
Homepage |
06.16.07 - 4:49 pm | #
Recall Bush a while back saying he read 3 Shakespeares, 2 Lincolns and a Camus
Don't forget KKKarl arranges book discussion groups for w. For real. The man has nothing better to do.
ql in was in ny |
Homepage |
06.16.07 - 4:50 pm | #
I'd write my congressman but I'm pretty sure he can't read.
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Agent Orange |
06.16.07 - 4:50 pm | #
He's got the level of concentration that requires Cliff's Notes for the Readers' Digest.
I am SOOO stealing that one!
aangus |
Homepage |
06.16.07 - 4:50 pm | #
I'm pretty tired of trademark dave being so tired. Why be tired when there's new SUPER ENERGY DRINK? Now available at the Tastee Freez, just in time for summer.
NTodd, Scign Cult Leader |
Homepage |
06.16.07 - 4:50 pm | #
I'd write my congressman but I'm pretty sure he can't read.
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Agent Orange
There is that, of course.
Diane C. Barking-Mad |
Homepage |
06.16.07 - 4:51 pm | #
The man has nothing better to do.
ql in was in ny |
There are only so many weeds a real cowpoke can pull.
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Agent Orange |
06.16.07 - 4:51 pm | #
I'd write my congressman but I'm pretty sure he can't read.
His response may produce evidence he can't read.
Snow, Contrary |
Homepage |
06.16.07 - 4:51 pm | #
I think the Press Corpse should start asking Chimpy about well known sections of the Bible. These should be right in his wheelhouse, and would expose him for the pitiful fraud that he is.
MP |
Homepage |
06.16.07 - 4:51 pm | #
I'm pretty tired of trademark dave being so tired.
Not too many of those ugly Chinese made yellow jobs.
The ones that COMMANDED us to "Support the troops."
Terry C - Free Woody! |
Homepage |
06.16.07 - 4:52 pm | #
I'm pretty tired of trademark dave being so tired. Why be tired when there's new SUPER ENERGY DRINK? Now available at the Tastee Freez, just in time for summer.
The Dairy Queen has many varieties of energy products, in many different flavors!
Snow, Contrary |
Homepage |
06.16.07 - 4:53 pm | #
I write Henry Brown all of the time. If nothing else, it costs staff time to reply to me in a nonsensical way.
Snow, Contrary
Write to him c/o the local rag.
There are will be more readers than Brown's staff and you need the name recognition.
Gimlet |
06.16.07 - 4:53 pm | #
I think the Press Corpse should start asking Chimpy about well known sections of the Bible.
People would then cry about "religious tests".
NTodd, Scign Cult Leader |
Homepage |
06.16.07 - 4:53 pm | #
Why be tired when there's new SUPER ENERGY DRINK? Now available at the Tastee Freez, just in time for summer.
Seems like the only congressman I can write to in TN is John Duncan, a republican. He has been against the war before it started. But it doesn't seem his name is amongst the A listers.
mer |
06.16.07 - 4:55 pm | #
I'm an Orange Satan™ man, myself.
Then you should go over to dKos with your vile drinks.
NTodd, Frootie Oatie Bar |
Homepage |
06.16.07 - 4:55 pm | #
The Dairy Queen has many varieties of energy products, in many different flavors!
Writing to my Congressman is a waste of time. He's a fucking socialist, for Christ's sake!
NTodd, Frootie Oatie Bar |
Homepage |
06.16.07 - 4:56 pm | #
Am I being thrown out of the cult?
I'll just observe that people need to watch what they say in times such as these.
NTodd, Frootie Oatie Bar |
Homepage |
06.16.07 - 4:57 pm | #
That wheezing sound you may have heard this week amid the chaos in Gaza, the carnage in Baghdad and the conflict in Lebanon was the final gasps of the Bush Doctrine in its death throes. Just two years after the President and his neo-conservative allies basked in the glow of their self-proclaimed moment of triumph, the Bush Doctrine of no safe havens for terrorists, American preventive war and democracy promotion is discredited, discarded - and dead.
Don't
Bother trying to find them
They will be coming to you
Fight,
Fight and destroy until you can't take anymore
Stay
Spill the blood of rebels
They are the children of hell
Flesh,
Of the undead
Stopping at nothing to kill
smalfish, tinfoil hatted |
06.16.07 - 4:57 pm | #
Whew.
The kids are awake from naps, as am I, and they are rarin' to go. Me, not so much ...
Just wanted to see how things were going over here in Yonder Crackhouse.
Sinfonian, father of two |
Homepage |
06.16.07 - 4:58 pm | #
Haven't been over to Tena's today, anything new there?
DWD - Dystopic |
Homepage |
06.16.07 - 4:58 pm | #
Clinton's got a robo reply system about how she's so concerned about fill in the blank and Schumer never replies.
HoneyBearKelly |
Homepage |
06.16.07 - 4:59 pm | #
Well, you're right, Gimlet. I fear the local rag dreads my letters. It is enjoyable.
Snow, Contrary |
Homepage |
06.16.07 - 4:59 pm | #
Not only does my congressman have groovy video on his site, he apparently has a "presence" on Second Life.
Tena says she has made her point and so is going off line for awhile.
ql in was in ny |
Homepage |
06.16.07 - 5:00 pm | #
The kids are coming upstairs. I'm hiding.
(not really)
Sinfonian, father of two |
Homepage |
06.16.07 - 5:00 pm | #
Speaking of supporting the troops, the one thing the Dems have managed to do quite nicely is box in the GOP when it comes to raising the VA budget.
As much as I am beginning to tire of the extended election season, it does have a few side benefits.
Diane C. Barking-Mad |
Homepage |
06.16.07 - 5:00 pm | #
Clinton's got a robo reply system about how she's so concerned about fill in the blank and Schumer never replies.
His attention span's too short.
Terry C - Free Woody! |
Homepage |
06.16.07 - 5:01 pm | #
I'm so sick of the GOP saying they support the troops, when every single piece of evidence shows otherwise.
That meme has to stop. Now.
Sinfonian, father of two |
Homepage |
06.16.07 - 5:01 pm | #
DWD, I was. But I've decided she started a "meta" blog. Not sure how long it can last.
I've decided I do want to comment (only one), but I'm still working it out because I like her, but don't agree with what she is saying.
mer |
06.16.07 - 5:02 pm | #
Tena says she has made her point and so is going off line for awhile.
Well that just sucks.
smalfish, tinfoil hatted |
06.16.07 - 5:02 pm | #
Tena says she has made her point and so is going off line for awhile.
That's the best idea she's had since she started making her "point".
NTodd, Frootie Oatie Bar |
Homepage |
06.16.07 - 5:02 pm | #
We don't use crack in The Cult.
NTodd, Frootie Oatie Bar
Now we're a cult?
And me without a tabula rasa.
Sinfonian, father of two |
Homepage |
06.16.07 - 5:02 pm | #
I write to Clinton and Schumer all the time.
Clinton's got a robo reply system about how she's so concerned about fill in the blank and Schumer never replies.
Ah, I get it. Jr. is putting Jrette.'s socks and shoes on and wants to go to the playground.
I suppose some fresh air would do us all some good. The local children's museum was a big hit earlier today (during the torrential rain).
Sinfonian, father of two |
Homepage |
06.16.07 - 5:03 pm | #
Now we're a cult?
You don't appear to be Of The Body...
NTodd, Frootie Oatie Bar |
Homepage |
06.16.07 - 5:03 pm | #
Oh, maybe don't have to compose my thoughts then.
mer |
06.16.07 - 5:04 pm | #
Tena says she has made her point and so is going off line for awhile.
I think she's acting a little hysterically.
If Duncan wants to ban people that's his fucking business.
It's just a blog and people shouldn't take things so fucking seriously. Sheesh. Get a life.
fourlegsgood, kittened |
Homepage |
06.16.07 - 5:04 pm | #
Centaur!
How was the rest of your trip?
I wish I could just tell people to get the fuck over themselves without appearing rude.
HoneyBearKelly |
Homepage |
06.16.07 - 5:04 pm | #
My fucking congressman used to be a member of a fucking hippie band that used fucking drugs and stuff. I voted for him, and do I get hippie females showing up with weed asking to give me blow jobs? Nooooooooooooo!!! Worthless piece of garbage. Representational democracy my ass!
spinoza |
06.16.07 - 5:05 pm | #
It appears I owe dave a Coke of Landru.
NTodd, Frootie Oatie Bar |
Homepage |
06.16.07 - 5:05 pm | #
It's just a blog and people shouldn't take things so fucking seriously. Sheesh. Get a life.
If Duncan wants to ban people that's his fucking business.
Is that what the whole thing was about?
smalfish, tinfoil hatted |
06.16.07 - 5:05 pm | #
Does this mean I have to pledge undying fealty to the Tastee Freez?
Or maybe that's spelled "felaty."
Sinfonian, father of two |
Homepage |
06.16.07 - 5:05 pm | #
It's just a blog and people shouldn't take things so fucking seriously. Sheesh. Get a life.
WHY IS FOURLEGS THROWING TENA UNDER THE BUS?!?!?!
NTodd, Frootie Oatie Bar |
Homepage |
06.16.07 - 5:05 pm | #
Ya know, I'm not much of a joiner.
If this is a cult, it's a pretty piss poor one.
fourlegsgood, kittened |
Homepage |
06.16.07 - 5:05 pm | #
That Lennon video, the closeups of his singing that song, there's a kind of presence at work behind those eyes.
He has a kind of intensity to it, a passion, an abiding vision to that song.
The sax note they hold on the chorus transcends the atmosphere of that venue...
It's not a finished work, that song and its theme. It's like the energy you would see in concert at the hands of an impressionist in Central park. There's water and the wind's face breathes on it, seasons spin like yarns through the trees and grass, people walk together or in the company of their own thoughts, kids play and vendors converse with customers...
Somewhere there is sunlight set in stone, "IMAGINE" is its message, and the suns' warm brilliance reflects the same power as the weather and time shape its hardy surface like all being shapes our souls...
Mr.Murder |
06.16.07 - 5:05 pm | #
John Locke used to call a vagina his tabula rasa.
spinoza |
06.16.07 - 5:06 pm | #
WHY IS FOURLEGS THROWING TENA UNDER THE BUS?!?!?!
Oh, stop it.
Before I throw you under a bus.
fourlegsgood, kittened |
Homepage |
06.16.07 - 5:06 pm | #
Is that what the whole thing was about?
Who the fuck really knows. It's hard to tell with all the overwrought "truth to power" bullshit laid on thicker than Bush's skull.
NTodd, Frootie Oatie Bar |
Homepage |
06.16.07 - 5:06 pm | #
Good ol' John Locke.
Sinfonian, father of two |
Homepage |
06.16.07 - 5:06 pm | #
Tena says she has made her point and so is going off line for awhile.
That's the best idea she's had since she started making her "point".
NTodd, Frootie Oatie Bar
Funny, she's become quite regular at my place.
Maybe I should start hanging out there....obviously it's where the cook kids are going....
Rmj, Sylar's Evil Twin |
Homepage |
06.16.07 - 5:06 pm | #
I have been fighting . . . something. . . not depression exactly, more like a hopelessness. But I am not blaming anyone else for this. I am blaming: a) forces outside that I cannot control or b) forces inside that I cannot control.
I feel like Tena is arriving at the same place but has not come to the same conclusion. . . .
DWD - Dystopic |
Homepage |
06.16.07 - 5:07 pm | #
Is that what the whole thing was about?
I'm actually not really sure. But I think that's part of it.
fourlegsgood, kittened |
Homepage |
06.16.07 - 5:07 pm | #
If this is a cult, it's a pretty piss poor one.
Well, the Snack Committee is debating what to put out in the Holy Bowls. Instead of bitching, maybe you could help us decide.
NTodd, Frootie Oatie Bar |
Homepage |
06.16.07 - 5:07 pm | #
Mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm... with a scoop of ice cream, please!
You wanna be careful with the usage of the word cream around the NTodd.
smalfish, tinfoil hatted |
06.16.07 - 5:07 pm | #
If this is a cult, it's a pretty piss poor one.
Just to get a small gathering hooked up it's like herding cats.
We do it in spite of ourselves.
HoneyBearKelly |
Homepage |
06.16.07 - 5:07 pm | #
When I wanted to be a Serious Blogger™, I spent inordinate amounts of time at the Orange Satan.
Now, I just enjoy the people and the intercourse here, so I stick around. If it's a cult, so be it. Whether I'm kewl or not (and I neither know nor care), it's fun.
Rhetorical intercourse, naturally.
Sinfonian, father of two |
Homepage |
06.16.07 - 5:08 pm | #
Is that what the whole thing was about?
More like cranky old people pissed off at young whippersnappers.
Maybe I should start hanging out there....obviously it's where the cook kids are going....
No, there hasn't been a single discussion of recipes. Just Blak getting pissy about buses and other silliness.
NTodd, Frootie Oatie Bar |
Homepage |
06.16.07 - 5:08 pm | #
I think there's more going on in the Tena saga than just blogwars. But I could be wrong.
Sinfonian, father of two |
Homepage |
06.16.07 - 5:11 pm | #
You like Coldplay.
Sinfonian, father of two
Terry C - Free Woody! |
Homepage |
06.16.07 - 5:11 pm | #
When I wanted to be a Serious Blogger™, I spent inordinate amounts of time at the Orange Satan.
I'm not interested in being a serious blogger.
I just wanna post some pictures and occasionally vent.
Look, Tena is entitled to her opinion, but her putting up a blog with a "manual" on how to deal with being an internet commenter strikes me as rather... goofy.
fourlegsgood, kittened |
Homepage |
06.16.07 - 5:11 pm | #
Yeah, well, you know how I know you're gay?
You like Coldplay.
Um. You must be mixing me up with that Gay Namestealer NTodd.
I like ABBA and Queen. Duh.
NTodd, Frootie Oatie Bar |
Homepage |
06.16.07 - 5:11 pm | #
The whole WGG-Tena thing is so weird. I think they were having an affair. And Tena felt she had to diss this blog to show WGG her true love for him. And then they ran off to a trailer park in Kansas and had a lovechild who they named Bacon or Toddler or Nudibranch. Anyhow, it's justa theory.
spinoza |
06.16.07 - 5:12 pm | #
her putting up a blog with a "manual" on how to deal with being an internet commenter strikes me as rather... goofy.
You are indeed of The Body.
NTodd, Frootie Oatie Bar |
Homepage |
06.16.07 - 5:12 pm | #
That's the best idea she's had since she started making her "point".
I agree.
Her blog posts have been rather incoherent. She makes a bit more sense in her comments section, but given that she really doesn't put anything into context, if you had no awareness of what made her go off in the first place, you'd have virtually no idea about what the hell she's rambling about.
Richard |
06.16.07 - 5:12 pm | #
I'm gonna need a bigger wheelbarrow...
Rmj, Sylar's Evil Twin |
Homepage |
06.16.07 - 5:12 pm | #
Mike Nifong is disbarred.
Snow, Contrary |
Homepage |
06.16.07 - 5:13 pm | #
Well, the Snack Committee is debating what to put out in the Holy Bowls. Instead of bitching, maybe you could help us decide.
Fuck you.
I don't belong to cults, you tastee freeze ho.
fourlegsgood, kittened |
Homepage |
06.16.07 - 5:13 pm | #
Okay, I don't take blogging too seriously. That was my point. I was probably too clever by half with that one.
And the Coldplay line was from The 40-Year-Old Virgin. Nothing personal.
And now Jrette. is saying "Daddy bye-byes," so we must be going.
Catch you all laterz.
Sinfonian, father of two |
Homepage |
06.16.07 - 5:13 pm | #
Oh hell, Tena was here forever. That is why people are talking about her.
mer |
06.16.07 - 5:13 pm | #
Anyhow, it's justa theory.
It would be irresponsible not to speculate.
NTodd, Frootie Oatie Bar |
Homepage |
06.16.07 - 5:13 pm | #
The whole WGG-Tena thing is so weird. I think they were having an affair. And Tena felt she had to diss this blog to show WGG her true love for him. And then they ran off to a trailer park in Kansas and had a lovechild who they named Bacon or Toddler or Nudibranch. Anyhow, it's justa theory.
spinoza
It has to do with aliens. And experiments. And little bits of metal in the neck that give you cancer if you remove them.
And frogs. Somehow, frogs and wheelbarrows are involved, too.
Rmj, Sylar's Evil Twin |
Homepage |
06.16.07 - 5:14 pm | #
Fuckin' slanties.
I hardly ever get them.
Sinfonian, father of two |
Homepage |
06.16.07 - 5:14 pm | #
It would be irresponsible not to speculate.
That's why I keep a speculum handy.
spinoza |
06.16.07 - 5:14 pm | #
I don't belong to cults, you tastee freeze ho.
Well, then you're banned.
NTodd, Frootie Oatie Bar |
Homepage |
06.16.07 - 5:15 pm | #
Catch you all laterz.
Sinfonian, father of two | Homepage | 06.16.07 - 5:13 pm | #
I think there's more going on in the Tena saga than just blogwars. But I could be wrong.
I can totally understand her feelings. I don't agree but I wouldn't put anything into it beyond that.
Snow, Contrary |
Homepage |
06.16.07 - 5:15 pm | #
Oh hell, Tena was here forever. That is why people are talking about her.
Don't get me wrong, I like Tena.
I just don't feel the compulsion to indulge her in this craziness.
fourlegsgood, kittened |
Homepage |
06.16.07 - 5:15 pm | #
Oh hell, Tena was here forever. That is why people are talking about her.
I really like her, and liked her optimism.
That's why I really wonder about the A list bloggers HATE you comment. That comes from out of nowhere in my estimation.
smalfish, tinfoil hatted |
06.16.07 - 5:16 pm | #
Mike Nifong is disbarred.
He deserved it. Gonzo deserves it more, though.
Richard |
06.16.07 - 5:16 pm | #
I wonder if he had any empathetic idea of how much he was potentially wrecking those Lacrosse players with that prosecution?
I guess he is about to find out.
The only difference being that he deserves it.
Gimlet |
06.16.07 - 5:17 pm | #
Mike Nifong is disbarred.
Snow, Contrary
Rarely, if ever, is a DA treated this way. I know nothing of the case, but it sure looks like the lesson here is: don't mess with the fraternity boys in North Carolina.
Rmj, Sylar's Evil Twin |
Homepage |
06.16.07 - 5:17 pm | #
I really wonder about the A list bloggers HATE you comment. That comes from out of nowhere in my estimation.
Yeah, how about that?
Terry C - Free Woody! |
Homepage |
06.16.07 - 5:17 pm | #
I'm pretty tired of trademark dave being so tired. Why be tired when there's new SUPER ENERGY DRINK? Now available at the Tastee Freez, just in time for summer.
But, will it float?
Salty Lake |
06.16.07 - 5:17 pm | #
That's why I really wonder about the A list bloggers HATE you comment. That comes from out of nowhere in my estimation.
Yes, it's totally random.
I'm pretty sure Atrios doesn't waste time hating any of us.
fourlegsgood, kittened |
Homepage |
06.16.07 - 5:18 pm | #
...the lesson here is: don't mess with the fraternity boys in North Carolina.
If this is a cult, it's a pretty piss poor one.
fourlegsgood
Every morning I get up and wait for Atrios to give me instructions, he never does. I did manage to hem and hang the kitchen curtains today, sans instructions.
I think the larger point Tena is making is that many people come to the blogs for the commenters as much as anything and we thus should be thinking twice before we make someone like Atrios rich and famous and powerful. And as she points out, all the A bloggers are white males who don't necessarily represent her pov. I guess she forgot Gilly. And really, do we know? At least that's what I get out it.
ql in was in ny |
Homepage |
06.16.07 - 5:18 pm | #
the lesson here is: don't mess with the fraternity boys in North Carolina.
That does appear to be the lesson.
smalfish, tinfoil hatted |
06.16.07 - 5:19 pm | #
Not defending Nifong, mind you. Just wondering where the outrage is when DA's do the same and worse to poor blacks and Mexicans. The Innocence Project (if that's the right name) has detailed hundreds of egregious cases of prosecutions, none of which have caused a DA to be disbarred. I'm just wondering why Nifong is getting it so publicly. And it's gotta be because of who he prosecuted.
Or is that all too obvious?
Rmj, Sylar's Evil Twin |
Homepage |
06.16.07 - 5:20 pm | #
...but it sure looks like the lesson here is: don't mess with the fraternity boys in North Carolina.
Rmj, Sylar's Evil Twin
???
Look real hard for another one.
Gimlet |
06.16.07 - 5:21 pm | #
Rarely, if ever, is a DA treated this way. I know nothing of the case, but it sure looks like the lesson here is: don't mess with the fraternity boys in North Carolina.
Well, yeah. But he deserved it. I think the lesson to everyone is that a DA has a lot of power and they can fuck anyone's world.
Just because he went after rich white kids doesn't make his transgressions any less wrong.
fourlegsgood, kittened |
Homepage |
06.16.07 - 5:21 pm | #
Just wondering where the outrage is when DA's do the same and worse to poor blacks and Mexicans.
ql, did you ever get the floor fixed?
Diane C. Barking-Mad |
Homepage |
06.16.07 - 5:21 pm | #
Imagine someone wrongfully accusing some rich white kids of a crime!
I can certainly understand that sentiment; but I would rather this serve as lesson for all prosecutors than as an example of rich white boys getting off.
Snow, Contrary |
Homepage |
06.16.07 - 5:22 pm | #
BTW, Tastee Freez offers something called "Co-Branding". For an initial fee of $5,000 you can add Tastee Freez soft serve to your existing restaurant menu. .. You need only four linear fee to add Tastee Freez to your concept.
So, does this mean if you happen to own a Hooters, you can then have a "Hooters Tastee Freez"?
Salty Lake |
06.16.07 - 5:22 pm | #
Actually, I didn't read a Camus, but I think I've ridden in one. It's was one of the new things called hybrid cars. It's what you get when you cross a Camry with a Lexus.
George W. Bush |
06.16.07 - 5:22 pm | #
Hot & humid here in Chi, so I'm going to go out and toil in the broiling sun picking weeds on my own land, my own little patch of (weedy) soil. And then I'm going to drink some cold beer! God bless America, that's what I have to say, God bless America.
strawhat ♥'s Al too |
06.16.07 - 5:23 pm | #
Just because he went after rich white kids doesn't make his transgressions any less wrong.
Complaint: Schlozman Aimed to Replace Lawyers with "Good Americans"
His definition of "Good Americans" being total fascist douchebags.
Terry C - Free Woody! |
Homepage |
06.16.07 - 5:24 pm | #
Just because he went after rich white kids doesn't make his transgressions any less wrong.
fourlegsgood, kittened
Didn't say they were; but why him?
In Texas, the only time I ever saw a lawyer disbarred was for breach of fiduciary duty (screwing with the client's money, basically). And it had to be pretty damned egregious to make that happen.
DA's screw over defendants constantly. It usually isn't caught because they have court appointed lawyers with no time, no money, and no means to investigate the prosecution. Is Nifong worse than any other DA in the country? I think not. Is he guiltier? I think not. He got caught. That doesn't make him innocent.
But it sure doesn't mean "the system worked." 'Cause had it been a black fraternity, and a white girl as victim, we wouldn't be having this discussion.
Rmj, Sylar's Evil Twin |
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06.16.07 - 5:24 pm | #
And then I'm going to drink some cold beer! God bless America, that's what I have to say, God bless America.
strawhat ♥'s Al too | 06.16.07 - 5:23 pm | #
TRAITOR!
You didn't bless the troops in that prayer.
smalfish, tinfoil hatted |
06.16.07 - 5:24 pm | #
I'm pretty sure Atrios doesn't waste time hating any of us.
fourlegsgood
I get 10-15 hate mails from him a day.
jac |
06.16.07 - 5:25 pm | #
Hot & humid here in Chi, so I'm going to go out and toil in the broiling sun picking weeds on my own land, my own little patch of (weedy) soil. And then I'm going to drink some cold beer! God bless America, that's what I have to say, God bless America.
strawhat ♥'s Al too
Done that, drinking beer now! Have fun!
lipreader, who ♥ Al Gore |
06.16.07 - 5:25 pm | #
Let's see a list of all the other "wrongful" prosecutions that nobody gave a fuck about because the victims weren't rich white boys.
I agree with you. And some of us do care about the other wrongful prosecutions.
But wrong is wrong.
I'm hoping that the public will realize that wrongful prosecutions do happen, and stop thinking that all those uppity brown people who get charge "are probably guilty" and deserve it.
fourlegsgood, kittened |
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06.16.07 - 5:25 pm | #
I can certainly understand that sentiment; but I would rather this serve as lesson for all prosecutors than as an example of rich white boys getting off.
Snow, Contrary
And the lesson is: if you would strike at the king, you'd better kill him.
Rmj, Sylar's Evil Twin |
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06.16.07 - 5:26 pm | #
Interestingly, my SNPA isn't in its usual twist top bottle. Since I brew beer and can use the bottles now, that's cool.
But I keep ripping the flesh from my hand trying to twist the caps off.
lipreader, who ♥ Al Gore |
06.16.07 - 5:27 pm | #
I'm hoping that the public will realize that wrongful prosecutions do happen, and stop thinking that all those uppity brown people who get charge "are probably guilty" and deserve it.
fourlegsgood, kittened
My home A/C just died, and I'm hoping for a cold summer. As the military says: hope is not a plan.
Rmj, Sylar's Evil Twin |
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06.16.07 - 5:27 pm | #
I'm hoping that the public will realize that wrongful prosecutions do happen, and stop thinking that all those uppity brown people who get charge "are probably guilty" and deserve it.
I'm hoping that the public will realize that wrongful prosecutions do happen, and stop thinking that all those uppity brown people who get charged "are probably guilty" and deserve it.
fourlegsgood, kittened
Good look wid dat.
Terry C - Free Woody! |
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06.16.07 - 5:27 pm | #
I get 10-15 hate mails from him a day.
Now I feel neglected.
I believe I shall run out and weep.
fourlegsgood, kittened |
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06.16.07 - 5:27 pm | #
I'm hoping that the public will realize that wrongful prosecutions do happen, and stop thinking that all those uppity brown people who get charge "are probably guilty" and deserve it.
When every single cop show shows the defendant as being guilty, what can you expect?
smalfish, tinfoil hatted |
06.16.07 - 5:27 pm | #
I'm hoping that the public will realize that wrongful prosecutions do happen, and stop thinking that all those uppity brown people who get charge "are probably guilty" and deserve it.
Not only that, but ugly people are perceived to be guilty more often than good looking defendants.
Salty Lake |
06.16.07 - 5:27 pm | #
You are in the wrong part of the country for that hope, sir.
Vicki, Who ♥ Al Gore |
06.16.07 - 5:27 pm | #
Atrios hates all of you, but loves me more than life itself.
NTodd, Frootie Oatie Bar |
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06.16.07 - 5:28 pm | #
I am a bit player so frequently things rush by that I do not understand here. But this place has been changing over the last few months. You can feel it. Tena may one of many different symptoms of that change. To tell the truth, I think many of the readers are maturing and building new expectations. In that process is a frustration that builds and makes people contentious and more than a little depressed. Basically this community is undergoing an adjustment. A healthy thing in some ways.
EkCenTriK |
06.16.07 - 5:28 pm | #
If those had been basketball players and the girls were white dancers...the guys would be in prison.
Unless they were real good players.
It's not so much about the color of your skin as it is your financial clout. Right OJ?
lipreader, who ♥ Al Gore |
06.16.07 - 5:29 pm | #
Sounds like your bucking for the Lead Wife position.
dave
heh. After 36 years I'd better be the lead fucking wife.
diane, floors were fixed in just a few hours. They laid the boards too tight so when the weather changed they expanded and buckled. Fortunately, the wood wasn't ruined so everything came out fine.
ql in was in ny |
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06.16.07 - 5:30 pm | #
In that process is a frustration that builds and makes people contentious and more than a little depressed. Basically this community is undergoing an adjustment. A healthy thing in some ways.
We can only hope that it is wider than just at a blog.
smalfish, tinfoil hatted |
06.16.07 - 5:30 pm | #
But it sure doesn't mean "the system worked." 'Cause had it been a black fraternity, and a white girl as victim, we wouldn't be having this discussion.
Sure we would. Just not until after the executions.
Snow, Contrary |
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06.16.07 - 5:30 pm | #
Look, I honestly don't understand how anyone can not *get* that the violent threats and comments that WGG has made here on several occasions could potentially be big trouble for Atrios.
Making a threat against the president is a crime. Punishable by imprisonment.
Intent matters, too.
Vicki, Who ♥ Al Gore |
06.16.07 - 5:30 pm | #
After 36 years I'd better be the lead fucking wife.
"Do you think they will let me live in Montana?"
Apprentice to Darth Holden |
06.16.07 - 5:31 pm | #
Look, I honestly don't understand how anyone can not *get* that the violent threats and comments that WGG has made here on several occasions could potentially be big trouble for Atrios.
It's the Cult of Woody.
NTodd, Frootie Oatie Bar |
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06.16.07 - 5:32 pm | #
Making a threat against the president is a crime. Punishable by imprisonment.
Intent matters, too.
Vicki, Who ♥ Al Gore
I barely survived voting against the motherfucker.
lipreader, who ♥ Al Gore |
06.16.07 - 5:32 pm | #
I guess hope does not spring eternal here.
Snow, Contrary |
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06.16.07 - 5:32 pm | #
"Do you think they will let me live in Montana?"
You're gonna need an RV and two wives...
NTodd, Frootie Oatie Bar |
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06.16.07 - 5:32 pm | #
I guess hope does not spring eternal here.
No, but NTodd sproings eternal...
NTodd, Frootie Oatie Bar |
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06.16.07 - 5:33 pm | #
Basically this community is undergoing an adjustment. A healthy thing in some ways.
Yes.
Vicki, Who ♥ Al Gore |
06.16.07 - 5:33 pm | #
But it sure doesn't mean "the system worked." 'Cause had it been a black fraternity, and a white girl as victim, we wouldn't be having this discussion.
I believe I shall run out and weep.
fourlegsgood, kittened
But you have two kittens, one with the Tail that Ate Chicago. Don't be sad.
.
GWPDA, Roving Historian |
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06.16.07 - 5:34 pm | #
Basically this community is undergoing an adjustment. A healthy thing in some ways.
EkCenTriK
I think the difference is that we're beginning to win a few and don't need to be a monolith against this regime anymore. That was the glue. Now the normal differences amongst us will start coming out.
Look, I love Steve Simels, but he hates Hillary with a passion and I like her. These contentious issues will become more pronounced. It will be interesting to see how we handle it and if we remain a community.
ql in was in ny |
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06.16.07 - 5:34 pm | #
violent threats and comments that WGG has made here on several occasions could potentially be big trouble for Atrios.
Making a threat against the president is a crime. Punishable by imprisonment.
Vicki, Who ♥ Al Gore
if President Bill Clinton plans to visit military bases in North Carolina, he had ''better have a bodyguard.''
Jesse Helms |
06.16.07 - 5:34 pm | #
You're gonna need an RV and two wives...
A "recreational vehicle".
Sam Neill put the rabbit ears in there with his voice.
Apprentice to Darth Holden |
06.16.07 - 5:34 pm | #
I think the Cult of Jack Lord is working on a remake.
Hawaii 5-0 point 1.
Salty Lake |
06.16.07 - 5:35 pm | #
"I think the larger point Tena is making is that many people come to the blogs for the commenters as much as anything and we thus should be thinking twice before we make someone like Atrios rich and famous and powerful."
Now that's a real hoot!
Christoffersen |
06.16.07 - 5:36 pm | #
Heard some snob from San Fran this morning on NPR talking about how the internets was gonna destroy our society.
Salty Lake |
06.16.07 - 5:37 pm | #
I believe I shall run out and weep.
fourlegsgood, kittened
See, this is why you fucking Democrats always lose.
Grow a set, for fuck's sake, and do whatever it takes to make Atrios hate you.
Peeing on his rooftop grill worked for me.
jac |
06.16.07 - 5:37 pm | #
Are you guys gonna have auditions for Tena's place amongst the kewl kidz?
lipreader, who ♥ Al Gore |
06.16.07 - 5:38 pm | #
I'm grateful for any part I can play in raising our Atrios to the heights of fame, fortune and power...
ProfWombat |
06.16.07 - 5:38 pm | #
A "recreational vehicle".
Sam Neill put the rabbit ears in there with his voice.
I fucking loved how he said that, and the "two wives" part. His accent was great. Connery's...?
NTodd, Frootie Oatie Bar |
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06.16.07 - 5:38 pm | #
if President Bill Clinton plans to visit military bases in North Carolina, he had ''better have a bodyguard.''
As always, IOKIYAR.
Exactly.
Though that doesn't change the fact that it's not cool to make threats against public figures in someone else's house.
fourlegsgood, kittened |
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06.16.07 - 5:38 pm | #
True, dat.
I feel better already.
fourlegsgood, kittened
I just hope that Arthur never thinks to compare his tail with that of Maddie. Little old rat tail just isn't -there-.
GWPDA, Roving Historian |
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06.16.07 - 5:39 pm | #
Are you guys gonna have auditions for Tena's place amongst the kewl kidz?
Though that doesn't change the fact that it's not cool to make threats against public figures in someone else's house.
fourlegsgood, kittened
I think more important than the legality is the fact some fucktard like Joke Line can use it to discredit Atrios. We'd hate to have Joke's fan get the wrong idea about this place.
lipreader, who ♥ Al Gore |
06.16.07 - 5:40 pm | #
Are you guys gonna have auditions for Tena's place amongst the kewl kidz?
Yes. Please post a YouTube video of you getting baked. And send some pot to me.
NTodd, Frootie Oatie Bar |
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06.16.07 - 5:40 pm | #
Look, I love Steve Simels, but he hates Hillary with a passion and I like her.
How could you not love Steve? The difference is that Steve won't hate on you because you are on opposite ends of the spectrum wrt to Hillary.
In the case with WGG, I can completely understand Atrios' decision.
I've been suggesting that we elevate the discourse for months. And I've been chastized for those comments. I've even received a few e-mails from people telling me to shut the fuck up - that I'm wrong. But I'm still here, and I still think we're a better community if we don't add the element of violence and hate in the comments section. That's just my two cents worth.
I'm not talking about the bawdy discussions, either - they're fun and almost Shakespearean at times. I'm talking about "I want the mother fucker DEAD" type discussions.
Vicki, Who ♥ Al Gore |
06.16.07 - 5:41 pm | #
it's not cool to make threats against public figures in someone else's house.
Funny how I've never noticed any mention of this "kerfuffle" at any of Mr. Guitar's three blogs.
"Look, I love Steve Simels, but he hates Hillary with a passion and I like her. These contentious issues will become more pronounced. It will be interesting to see how we handle it and if we remain a community."
I have the same situation with a co-worker. As I told her, at least we are now in that position.
EkCenTriK |
06.16.07 - 5:41 pm | #
I've been suggesting that we elevate the discourse for months. And I've been chastized for those comments. I've even received a few e-mails from people telling me to shut the fuck up.
I'm grateful for any part I can play in raising our Atrios to the heights of fame, fortune and power...
Do we all not share in his ascension to the front of the pack? If we did not frequent his blog, his ads would not be as lucrative, and his reputation would likely be diminished. His voice is recognized because of the power of the traffic here.
smalfish, tinfoil hatted |
06.16.07 - 5:41 pm | #
I'm grateful for any part I can play in raising our Atrios to the heights of fame, fortune and power...
ProfWombat
I feel the same way. I love lawyers cause I generally like the way they go after an issue. Breaking it down, researching, thinking, discussing. Atrios seems to be on the right track most of the time in much the same way. I don't agree with him all the time, but he's young yet, he'll come around.
ql in was in ny |
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06.16.07 - 5:42 pm | #
Funny how I've never noticed any mention of this "kerfuffle" at any of Mr. Guitar's three blogs.
I'm grateful for any part I can play in raising our Atrios to the heights of fame, fortune and power...
ProfWombat
Achieved in his rented apartment in Philly.... I'm afraid that there may be a slight misunderstanding of the nature of fame, fortune and power that accrues to an independent blogger, even one nominally on Soros' payroll. I'm afraid there may be a slight misunderstanding of the power relationships between a fairly well-known blogger and um, actually powerful people.
However.
ProfWombat! I found out about two swell NEH grant possibilities today - looking forward to filing for them, weirdly enough.
GWPDA, Roving Historian |
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06.16.07 - 5:43 pm | #
I think more important than the legality is the fact some fucktard like Joke Line can use it to discredit Atrios. We'd hate to have Joke's fan get the wrong idea about this place.
lipreader, who ♥ Al Gore | 06.16.07 - 5:40 pm | #
That's why I really wonder about the A list bloggers HATE you comment. That comes from out of nowhere in my estimation.
Well, I think I kind of, sort of, almost, maybe understand what she was attempting.
From what I gather, Jesus General layed into a blogger who made the mistake of quoting a racist attack on Steve Gilliard without comment. The General assumed that the blogger was a wingnut, whereas the reality was that she was actually a lefty who posted the quote assuming that her regular readers would understand that she really thought it was objectionable. Trouble was, the General didn't know her from Adam. I guess a lot of the General's readers went onto her blog and posted really nasty comments. She ultimately quit.
Thus, an A-List blogger's "cult" destroyed a less well known blogger, at least in tena's mind.
I think the "A-list bloggers hate you" comment was meant to discourage people from joining a blogger's "cult". That said, given that she doesn't put her "message" into any real context (without the links provided by people here, I wouldn't have known about the Jesus General hubub described above), it's hard to know what the hell she really means.
Richard |
06.16.07 - 5:44 pm | #
Funny how I've never noticed any mention of this "kerfuffle" at any of Mr. Guitar's three blogs.
I like WGG, too, but I noticed that his posts at his blogs are much gentler in nature than his comments here.
No DSH shit at the new digs for him.
Vicki, Who ♥ Al Gore |
06.16.07 - 5:44 pm | #
Vote Green
Not Hillary
The outsourcing queen and the H-1B whore
and Bush enabler
bnospam@gmail.com |
06.16.07 - 5:44 pm | #
I just wish Atrios would take my suggestion to hire lap dancers...
NTodd, Frootie Oatie Bar |
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06.16.07 - 5:44 pm | #
Ironically, Frankie GTH's "Two Tribes" just popped up on the iTunes.
lipreader
Omigod - who hacked your iTunes and put that shit in it?
"I think the larger point Tena is making is that many people come to the blogs for the commenters as much as anything and we thus should be thinking twice before we make someone like Atrios rich and famous and powerful."
I get a percentage of the profits.
watertiger |
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06.16.07 - 5:46 pm | #
Richard | 06.16.07 - 5:44 pm | #
Thanks for that. I was really quite lost on the whole thing. A bit better now.
smalfish, tinfoil hatted |
06.16.07 - 5:46 pm | #
I just wish Atrios would take my suggestion to hire lap dancers...
Yeah, but Joe and "The Mav" have been hangin' round the grill, so I'd live in fear of who might show up workin' the pole.
Supreme Commander Thor |
06.16.07 - 5:47 pm | #
I'm just hoping poor Ripley doesn't develop tail envy.
Poor little bugger.
fourlegsgood, kittened
You may need to get her a Kitten!
GWPDA, Roving Historian |
Homepage |
06.16.07 - 5:47 pm | #
Vote Green
Not Hillary
The outsourcing queen and the H-1B whore
and leading Bush enabler
bnospam@gmail.com |
06.16.07 - 5:48 pm | #
Not only are you of the Body - baby, you ARE the Body!
Why do you think he agreed to the deal?
watertiger |
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06.16.07 - 5:48 pm | #
Not only are you of the Body - baby, you ARE the Body!
If she only worked the pole, I'd come here more often.
NTodd, Frootie Oatie Bar |
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06.16.07 - 5:48 pm | #
I noticed that some of the comments on Tena's blog, too, were from people who felt that oftentimes, they'd comment here, and that they were ignored.
Some people don't like being ignored, I guess.
Hell, it's part of the blog game. Most posts many people make don't get responses. There have been times when I've posted and not had one response from anyone. It is what it is - I feel badly for the people who think that blog responses = ego strokes.
Vicki, Who ♥ Al Gore |
06.16.07 - 5:48 pm | #
I like WGG, too, but I noticed that his posts at his blogs are much gentler in nature than his comments here.
No DSH shit at the new digs for him.
Maybe he feels a little bit more vulnerable when posing from his own house.
spinoza |
06.16.07 - 5:48 pm | #
I just wish Atrios would take my suggestion to hire lap dancers...
NTodd
I told him not to unless he could get Chicago Dyke.
(Damn, I miss flirting with her.)
ql in was in ny |
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06.16.07 - 5:48 pm | #
Most interesting this talk about WGG and Tena. Been observing many a comment over the last couple of years by quite a number of handles and I'm not the least bit surprised. Sad fact is, over the last few years, this blog has become quite clannish. Seems that things started to drift to the darkside after the 2004 elections; my opinion of course. I still enjoy reading comment and adding my 2 cents worth every now and again, but the friendly atmosphere has long since evaporated. It's almost like walking into a bar full of repugs ready to pick a fight.
a*non*y*mous |
06.16.07 - 5:48 pm | #
Omigod - who hacked your iTunes and put that shit in it?
jac, I think it was last night that we were discussing what you do to your iPod when drunk. I believe "You Light Up My Life" was cited. Not by me.
lipreader, who ♥ Al Gore |
06.16.07 - 5:49 pm | #
I get a percentage of the profits.
watertiger
Oddly, I seem to pay out quite a lot....
.
GWPDA, Roving Historian |
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06.16.07 - 5:49 pm | #
GWPDA: that is good news; looking forward to writing grant proposals is to say the least atypical. What are the subjects?
Josie wants to show Arthur the dirtiest places in Andover...
ProfWombat |
06.16.07 - 5:49 pm | #
I think it was last night that we were discussing what you do to your iPod when drunk. I believe "You Light Up My Life" was cited. Not by me.
lipreader, who ♥ Al Gore
I just wish Atrios would take my suggestion to hire lap dancers...
NTodd, Frootie Oatie Bar | Homepage | 06.16.07 - 5:44 pm | #
Draco will bleed onto your lap.
spinoza |
06.16.07 - 5:49 pm | #
Since we're talking about Tena, I wonder if she will ever comment here again after what she has said on her blog.
I think I remember when she sub'ed for Atrios when he was on vacation.
mer |
06.16.07 - 5:50 pm | #
QuiltLady,
I said a LONG time ago now that the Republicans WANT to run against either Barack Obama or Hillary Clinton. . .
(That's one of my points of hopelessness, btw)
DWD - Dystopic |
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06.16.07 - 5:50 pm | #
I think I owe Dave [copyright thingie] a drink.
spinoza |
06.16.07 - 5:50 pm | #
over the last few years, this blog has become quite clannish.
I'm Conner McCloud of the Clan McCloud!
smalfish, tinfoil hatted |
06.16.07 - 5:50 pm | #
Damn you to hell spinoza, just damn.
mer |
06.16.07 - 5:51 pm | #
I noticed that some of the comments on Tena's blog, too, were from people who felt that oftentimes, they'd comment here, and that they were ignored.
That's so fucking silly. When you've got hundreds of people online and people are in a discussion, they're not always going to respond to what you say. What, are they goddamned children who have to tug on an adult's sleeve and scream "CUSE ME, MISSER!"?
NTodd, Frootie Oatie Bar |
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06.16.07 - 5:51 pm | #
That was a lovely thunderstorm.
HoneyBearKelly |
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06.16.07 - 5:51 pm | #
i think you're confusing "clannishness" with "familiarity".
watertiger |
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06.16.07 - 5:51 pm | #
I forgot to add, I'm only happy when it rains.
HoneyBearKelly |
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06.16.07 - 5:51 pm | #
I wonder if she will ever comment here again after what she has said on her blog.
I think she's going through some sort of an epiphany, and it may be that she is moving away from blog commenting. I don't know, though.
Vicki, Who ♥ Al Gore |
06.16.07 - 5:51 pm | #
From what I gather, Jesus General layed into a blogger who made the mistake of quoting a racist attack on Steve Gilliard without comment.
That is quite an assumption. And not necessarily accurate.
Snow, Contrary |
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06.16.07 - 5:52 pm | #
Vicki, sometimes a throwaway comment becomes the topic du jour, other times I could dress up in a skimpy french maid's costume and still be totally ignored. Who the fuck knows.
BTW - Why isn't mena around. She seems to have disappeared around the same time.
ql in was in ny |
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06.16.07 - 5:52 pm | #
I have a feeling he isn't going to be too long in following her:
Oddly, I seem to pay out quite a lot....
.
GWPDA, Roving Historian
My one thing I envy rich people for. At one time I was pretty flush. I used to help out my friends: I paid for my sister in law to go back to school, gave her a car, paid for the insurance - that sort of thing. It felt wonderful. (Did not tell anyone, it just FELT good)
In the last few years I have not had the means to be generous and that deprives me of something I truly enjoy. Maybe if Oprah likes the book she has in her possession (according to my publisher) then . . . That would be truly nice again.
DWD - Dystopic |
Homepage |
06.16.07 - 5:53 pm | #
"He's going shallow"
"What does that mean"
"It means this guy is a pretty cool customer, this Russian"
Apprentice to Darth Holden |
06.16.07 - 5:53 pm | #
I could dress up in a skimpy french maid's costume and still be totally ignored.
ql in was in ny
I find this hard to believe.
We should test this hypothesis.
jac |
06.16.07 - 5:53 pm | #
I have to runn off to dinner, but here is the stupid part of all of this.
I expect sometime in the future, that the smart people here that I respect highly will come to a conclusion, put their differences aside and put things back together.
But heck, I am not putting any pressure on y'all...
EkCenTriK |
06.16.07 - 5:53 pm | #
Cue the "groupthink" bullshit in 3...2...1...
My life for you!
smalfish, tinfoil hatted |
06.16.07 - 5:53 pm | #
It's almost like walking into a bar full of repugs ready to pick a fight.
Maybe you should walk in not being ready to pick a fight.
Snow, Contrary |
Homepage |
06.16.07 - 5:54 pm | #
Josie wants to show Arthur the dirtiest places in Andover...
ProfWombat
Did I mention that Himself managed to take out a sparrow and leave it for me in the pea patch? It was awfully thoughtful.... I think he was trying to show me what a good provider he is. Josie should know this.
Digital archiving for the humanities - can't get much more focussed than that, given my activities for the last 12 years. I find that my willingness to file for grants is inverse to my need to have them - and thus, these should be great fun!
GWPDA, Roving Historian |
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06.16.07 - 5:54 pm | #
i think you're confusing "clannishness" with "familiarity"
Perhaps. Most people here are east coast and city/state boundaries are quite imaginary compared to the west coast.
a*non*y*mous |
06.16.07 - 5:54 pm | #
Quiltlady, Mena was having big computer problems the last I heard from her. (I had been sending her a song a day - her computer has screwed up to the point where she asked me to stop till it got fixed. Have not heard from her. . . .)
DWD - Dystopic |
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06.16.07 - 5:54 pm | #
GWPDA: yeah, if ever there was a gimme, that's it; good on you...
ProfWombat |
06.16.07 - 5:55 pm | #
Damn you to hell spinoza, just damn.
See? Civility here has gone to hell. mer used to be a quiet wall flower who posted Rod McKuen lyrics and suggestions from Heloise. And now she is a bat out of hell seeking vengence for having to live in a state that has more trailer parks than bars.
spinoza |
06.16.07 - 5:55 pm | #
Piss on ipods. Let's get back to real meat. The immigration bill, for one. A very bad idea, Immigration, even illegal immigration, is the Progressive's Achilles heel. Just look at the illogical mindless rot published on the editorial page of the NYT for starters. No logic, just demonizing anyone who disagrees. Isn't this what we despise about the rRpublicans? Read Bob Herbert's column in the NYT today for example. Teen employment has "disappeared" in this country, esp for minority kids, who need the jobs the most. Why? Illegals,in part, who will work for next to nothing, and who are easy to exploit. Don't we owe our black citizens more than this? Think about it, for Christ's sake.
robthehearthtrob |
06.16.07 - 5:55 pm | #
"Maybe you should walk in not being ready to pick a fight."
Not picking, Snow...just observing. That's what I do for a living.
a*non*y*mous |
06.16.07 - 5:55 pm | #
Perhaps. Most people here are east coast and city/state boundaries are quite imaginary compared to the west coast.
I think you don't know what you're talking about.
smalfish, tinfoil hatted |
06.16.07 - 5:56 pm | #
i think you're confusing "clannishness" with "familiarity".
My hands get all clammy when I get familiar with you.
spinoza |
06.16.07 - 5:56 pm | #
BTW - Why isn't mena around. She seems to have disappeared around the same time.
Most likely because of the Woody thing as well. She told me I was "being junior high" because she assumed I held some deep secret as to why he was banned and that I observed he could afford to tone down the violent rhetoric.
Pretty much everybody in the Cult of Woody got very defensive when it was suggested he could change a little and maybe learn his lesson after a few bannings over the years. Lots of Appeals to Authority (bringing up his service, his "wisdom", how they roomed at EschaCon, etc) and evading the main point. Then the accusations of...clannishness, cliqueishness, cultishness, etc, soon followed.
Quite interesting. But I'm sure if I get banned people will act EXACTLY with the same sense of misplaced loyalty, what with my ability to control all my toadies.
NTodd, Frootie Oatie Bar |
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06.16.07 - 5:56 pm | #
But heck, I am not putting any pressure on y'all...
EkCenTriK
I'm betting after the primaries we're all pull together for whoever the nominee turns out to be. I certainly hope it is Gore, but if not Gore then Hillary.
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06.16.07 - 5:56 pm | #
I love mena. Absolutely love her. She's hilarious, witty, cool as a cucumber, and absolutely radiant in person.
She knows when to bite her tongue, and does it in a classy, gentle way.
Vicki, Who ♥ Al Gore |
06.16.07 - 5:56 pm | #
Thus, an A-List blogger's "cult" destroyed a less well known blogger, at least in tena's mind.
When I applied for a $300 roommate situation in the less desirable Hassidic-fresh-off-the-boat part of Brooklyn, I was told I was on the 'A' list of applicants...
...because I wasn't a blonde cheerleader from Iowa.
But, alas, I did not get it.
Salty Lake |
06.16.07 - 5:57 pm | #
later, 'bats. Company is here and I must go be a host. Ya'll stop by for supper in about an hour or so . . . .
DWD - Dystopic |
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06.16.07 - 5:58 pm | #
I like Tena, I like Woody, I like all of you.
But it's not my blog.
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06.16.07 - 5:58 pm | #
I don't think that many people who comment here live in big east coast cities.
Will a us coup d'état happen in your lifetime. it already has in not an answer. yes or no?
technoshaman |
06.16.07 - 5:58 pm | #
I expect sometime in the future, that the smart people here that I respect highly will come to a conclusion, put their differences aside and put things back together.
I have no gripe with anyone. My point early on in this melodrama was that Atrios tried to lay down some ground rules, you know, the kind that would prevent him from getting thrown into jail under 18 U.S.C. 1001, and a couple of people interpreted that as "you're stampin' on my freedom of speech, man!"
Freedom of speech isn't an open-ended privilege, btw. Not to get all legalistic.
watertiger |
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06.16.07 - 5:58 pm | #
Anyway, this is Atrios's problem, not mine. As time passes, so do people's passions.
a*non*y*mous |
06.16.07 - 5:59 pm | #
Think about it, for Christ's sake.
robthehearthtrob
I have.
You suck.
Diane C. Barking-Mad |
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06.16.07 - 5:59 pm | #
I should go out and plant the salvia and the plumbago but it's 106 and somehow I just don't feel like it.
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GWPDA, Roving Historian |
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06.16.07 - 6:00 pm | #
Thanks Diane
Very useful comment. Are you a Republican troll?
robthehearthtrob |
06.16.07 - 6:00 pm | #
Perhaps. Most people here are east coast and city/state boundaries are quite imaginary compared to the west coast.
No, that's not what I meant.
Many of us, from across the country, have actually met and become friends in meatspace.
There is a certain relaxation of dialogue that comes along with that.
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06.16.07 - 6:02 pm | #
I said this the other evening, but I'll say it again:
The thing that miffs me about the newfound pleas for civility come after vitriolic attacks on the A List Bloggers.
I've had heated discussions with Tena about the lack of civility - specifically with regard to rhetoric that oozes with hatred and anger, and she basically told me that it's not democratic to harness free speech, and to go fuck myself. I won't go into the darker details, but they're pretty mean and ugly.
So I'm feeling a bit of a disconnect between the prior discusssions I've had with her and her recent pleas for civility.
And I fully expect someone out there to sign on anonymously and say that I'm being a nasty, mean bitch for bringing this up, but I reiterate what Gomez said yesterday: Her new message is right, but she's the wrong messenger.
Vicki, Who ♥ Al Gore |
06.16.07 - 6:02 pm | #
...a-man is right, we've all seen extrajudicial effort to make examples out of liberals over free speech, whilst a republican making such statements would be ignored by authorities...
Mr.Murder |
06.16.07 - 6:03 pm | #
But I'm sure if I get banned people will act EXACTLY with the same sense of misplaced loyalty, what with my ability to control all my toadies.
Don't worry, wanker. I would immediately correct such person.
Snow, Contrary |
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06.16.07 - 6:03 pm | #
I think mena has been here since Tena left, as has Flory (a good friend of Tena's, I think).
Anyway, I enjoy reading what Atrios says and the comments on this blog, so that's where I stand, or sit.
mer |
06.16.07 - 6:04 pm | #
Hey Dave
I'm an old-timer on Atrios! Just been away for a few months. And did you think Diane's comment contributed in any meaningful way to the topic?
Remember: being anti-immigration is NOT the same as being anti-immigrant. I think the country should limit immigration to the number of people who leave every year--about 200,000, and I don't care what color, creed or national origin they are. So no stigmatizing, please.
robthehearthtrob |
06.16.07 - 6:04 pm | #
city/state boundaries are quite imaginary compared to the west coast.
I think the country should limit immigration to the number of people who leave every year--about 200,000, and I don't care what color, creed or national origin they are. robthehearthtrob
Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight!
Terry C - End Bush's War Now! |
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06.16.07 - 6:09 pm | #
A cut from the most excellent Showdown album with Albert Collins, Robert Cray, and Johnny Copeland.
The video is boring as all hell, but the tune is awesome.
Jennifer |
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