I'MMA LET YOU FINISH
first
Bail Outs for Wall Street - Pink Slips for Main Street!
Well, gee - Americans will cut off their noses to spite their faces - THAT'S news!
http://www.comcast.net/articles/
...Poll.Obama.Race
The punchbowl is empty.
From below...
The LHC lost control of the cooling on a set of magnets. They have to open that section up and repair the damages switches and then cool everything down to about 1.7K again. That will take about two months.
So they've gotten to YOU, too!
We're in the wilderness of mirrors, people!!!
The punchbowl is empty.
Well, except for that very lovely turd. Who wants a taste?
Microsoft’s ‘I’m a PC’ Ads Created On Macs
September 19th, 2008
After dumping its $10 million contract with Jerry Seinfeld after just three ads (only two of which even aired) Microsoft has created new ad copy where regular people and a few celebrities say, “I’m a PC!” One problem with the campaign’s credibility: the ad work was created using Macs.
http://www.roughlydrafted.com/20...reated-on-macs/
We're bringing the punchbowl back to the party.
With a huge turd floating in it.
cock punch?
Glass of punch to trademark dave.
flaggelant party!
everybody!
after a work week filld with sunshine, it's raining here.
$700 Billion? I think we're getting low-balled ...
Obama increases Gallup lead to 50-44. Feel the surge, dammit!
Deadthreaded:
The government will bear the burden of the possibility that the shitpile collateral is practically worthless.
My Costco has been holding the line on prices: 2 large sandwich loves of whole grain bread $3.89, dynamite EV Olive Oil 4 liters for $25.89 and they lifted the quota on rice.
The banks get the $ right away.
They will settle up in three months when the secretary first reports to Congress.
BTW. Thats in late December by a lame duck.
Fucking Chimpy: We encountered an unprecedented challenge, and met it with unprecedented action.
It's precedented as shit, asshole! You just rang it up on the credit card like St. Ronnie did with everything.
Appartently we have a problem.
538.com did a piece on pollsters who include cell phones:
including a cellphone sample improves Obama's numbers by 2.8 points. (Or, framed more properly, failing to include cellphones hurts Obama's numbers by .. 2 2-3 points).
http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2...-22-
points.html
Obama increases Gallup lead to 50-44. Feel the surge, dammit!
Pollster is looking like it's still behind a couple days. 538 looks damn good.
Nothing prevents the mortgage companies from making bad loans in the future.
Euro bank notes were designed on Macs in California.
Beverage to Ali.
The poodle bites.
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Deadthreaded:
I have heard from many people that their Republican friends are having quite a difficult time reconciling what they have allowed themselves to believe they were supporting with the evidence in front of them of what the reality is.
Personally, I am more than heartened that the carefully constructed narratives the GOP has spent 3 decades constructing are crumbling to dust and their supporters are finding themselves lost and confused and afraid. At this point, sadly, the Dems have failed to create a competing narrative toward which they could gravitate, but the Obama campaign at least seems to have done so. I remain cautiously optimistic.
Thanks anon (sips latte)
The government will bear the burden of the possibility that the shitpile collateral is practically worthless.
This does not sound like a very smart thing to do, especially since all of the people who are making the decisions are vacating their positions in four months.
I like punch.
The bailout bill will benefit no one but the wealthy.
Do not want.
Gomez | 09.20.08 - 1:28 pm
All this really is is extortion. They basically told Paulson & Bernanke that if they're cut loose, they'll bring the whole system down with them. Paulson & Bernanke conveyed the message to Pelosi & Reid. Pelosi & Reid gulped. And here we are.
Poodle chews it.
Gawd, Jeffraham that picture of McCain!
to me at this point, the cunts, the losers are trying to run the table.
The bailout will presumably help people with pension funds in the stock market, no? Not just the extremely wealthy.
Obama increases Gallup lead to 50-44.
A few more points and it will be difficult for them to steal it.
Money Market funds are being insured, I know that.
Gromit - r u home right now?
It's over fucks.
The bailout will presumably help people with pension funds in the stock market, no? Not just the extremely wealthy.
Ali
Woohoo: it not only hamstrings any incoming Democrat, but also makes it likely that the GOP, backed by Wall Street, can run on tax cuts and deregulation next time, so they can profit, fuck up, and get bailed out again.
Where's the pain for the people who fucked up at the top? Last I checked, no CEOs mansions
Where's the pour encourager les autres? Last time I checked, the CEOs still have their mansions. Having a five-figure mob burn a few of them to the ground might have a socially educative consequence.
sadly, the Dems have failed to create a competing narrative toward which they could gravitate,
This is the entire problem. And it comes from always trying to be Republican lite.
The bailout will presumably help people with pension funds in the stock market, no? Not just the extremely wealthy.
Ali
At the cost of $7,000 per year or $600 per month.
(slanties)
A few more points and it will be difficult for them to steal it.
From your lips to the Goddess' ears...
The bailout will presumably help people with pension funds in the stock market, no? Not just the extremely wealthy. Ali
I have no doubt there will be provisions written to preclude that possibility.
Ack. You know what I meant.
There's no disincentive for future fuckups.
Just back from "Town Day," where among other things, my friend J and I messed with the local Repub machinery. Their booth had a prominently displayed portrait of MLK. We just laughed derisively. "That's why St. Ronnie began his campaign in Philadelphia, MI, right?" Would I sign a petition JUST to give people the right to vote on gay marriage? "Sure, if you'll sign mine to extend voting rights to blacks and women..." And we ate their free candy. Heeeeee.
It will allow the mortgage companies to create future shitpiles.
And they will.
And it comes from always trying to be Republican lite.
The Dems: 1/3 less evil than the GOP!
plantsman: Gawd, Jeffraham that picture of McCain!
Doug posted a link to it yesterday, here, in comments.
Hi, Ali! 
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Well, I've just determined that the city ordinances prohibit us from keeping a few chickens. So much for that protein source 
I'm in a small rural town, surrounded by farms and dairies, and they're going to kick up a fuss about a few CHICKENS.
Oh well.
What is it about punchbowls? In 17 years of married life, we've never found it necessary to own one. Why do folks feel compelled to scoop their beverages from a big bowl into tiny cups?
Rhetorical questions, really. No response required
In the archaeological record of failed ancient states, there is often one last spasm of construction activity and increased consumption of exotic good before the state collapses.
I'm just sayin.
I have heard from many people that their Republican friends are having quite a difficult time reconciling what they have allowed themselves to believe they were supporting with the evidence in front of them of what the reality is.
JeffCo
The few Republicans of my acquaintence are NOT happy with the 2008 ticket.
A few have said they are sitting out, while others said they are considering voting for Obama.
Theo Wirth made too many damned parks.
I don't agree with you, atrios. Things don't happen overnight, but we're reaching critical mass.
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I like Brad Pitt supporting gay marriage in California by giving 100,000.00 to fight Prop 8.
At the risk of displaying my economic ignorance, I have a question:
What happens if we just say no and refuse to bail out the greedy?
Dude, calm the fuck down. It's all up from here.
Well friends, you hear the words "moral hazard" used by conservative, and the serious financial people all the time.
This bail out isn't a moral hazard, it's much too large of a thing to be called that.
I don't have the words to describe it strongly enough.
Yea...long haired Fred...
...he sorta reminds me of that burnout kid in the Bad News Bears movie, who rode the motorbike, who also could hit homeruns.
Here's the same song...
..his voice has dropped and he's not so nervous. Little more hormone...
Must have found girls.
Wait 'til he finds women.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k...h?v=kx7-
4GZ5yEQ
Nobody will do anything about the chickens unless the neighbours complain. They probably don't have a Chicken Patrol division. 
There's no disincentive for future fuckups.
History shows again and again how failing to prosecute and jail white collar motherfucker assholes simply leads to their fucking an entirely new generation.
Section 11 of the law describes what the government is going to pay for the mortgages.
Top Dollar.
The government will bear the burden of the possibility that the shitpile collateral is practically worthless.
These assholes are saying "Hey, it's OK, cuz maybe this paper will turn out to be good in the future, and we'll get our money back."
These borrowers are just leaving the houses. Just walking away. Those loans are dead. Do these shitheads not read the newspapers?
What happens if we just say no and refuse to bail out the greedy?
Diane C. Barking-Mad | Homepage | 09.20.08 - 1:43 pm | #
Lady de Rothschild would be damn annoyed.
What happens if we just say no and refuse to bail out the greedy?
I'm curious how such an action would take place, since we (on the ground level) have no say in the matter.
JP!
I like Brad Pitt supporting gay marriage in California by giving 100,000.00 to fight Prop 8.
plantsman
He done a good thing!
Nobody will do anything about the chickens unless the neighbours complain. They probably don't have a Chicken Patrol division. Ali
Plus, most of us still need the eggs.
Nobody will do anything about the chickens unless the neighbours complain. They probably don't have a Chicken Patrol division.
Ali
They do have a livestock at large patrol in the township, to keep the roads free of cattle shaped speed bumps
the TURD act=terribly unrepentant republican debacle
Everclear, bitchEZ
I am always dead threaded.
There are only two ways out of this mess and the proposed government bailout and expansion of the debt ceiling is not one of them. In fact one could argue that this bailout is more of the same shit that got us in to this mess in the first place.
For 30 years we have mortgaged our futures and the futures of our chidren by borrow and spend policies.
We can choose one of two avenues or, quite possibly, a blend of each.
Turn to outsiders for support. The most notable of these are the rapidly growing sovereign wealth funds. They would be interested because their dollar denominated wealth will become nearly worthless if there is a complete financial collapse. These same funds have actually begun to shy away from buying more dollar denominated debt because they are being burned by the devaluing dollar. We should expect that they will insist in direct investment in U.S. companies.
Think of it as selling your assets to cover your debts, a pawn shop if you will. As with anyone who is forced to pawn assets, we will be in a very poor bargaining position.
To the extent that it proves to be politically unacceptable for foreign ownership of U.S. companies (this is not farfetched, we blocked China from gaining a significant minority position in Merryl Lynch just two years ago) we will need to turn to the second avenue.
Print money, gobs of it, flood the economy until the liquidity needed to unfreeze the economy is attained. This is, in fact, what the Fed and this Administration has been trying to do.
Expect hyperinflation, think on the order of 10% per month.
Welcome to the natural consequences of Republican economics.
My neighbours had chickens for a while (coyotes got em eventually) and I always enjoyed the clucking.
Future detail will be written by the Treasury Dept. in their regulations.
This is a blank check.
The valuation of the mortgage is at top dollar. The amazing chutzpah of these people is still surprising after 8 years of Bush.
I don't agree with you, atrios. Things don't happen overnight, but we're reaching critical mass. Sparkle Plenty
Thirty Helens and 99 monkeys agree!
from terry c's poll link:
Race is not the biggest factor driving Democrats and independents away from Obama. Doubts about his competency loom even larger, the poll indicates. More than a quarter of all Democrats expressed doubt that Obama can bring about the change they want, and they are likely to vote against him because of that.
um, wtf? they have doubts that obama can deliver the change they want, so they are going to vote for a guy who PROMISES NOT TO?
i smell submerged racism.
I liked the Seinfeld ad where Gates did that little twitch to adjust his shorts.
Wouldn't sell me anything, but it made me grin.
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there is often one last spasm of construction activity and increased consumption of exotic good before the state collapses.
And ours just ended.
IDK
We live right on main street and our house is actually the on the church property. I suspect my chickens could become an issue pretty damn quick
I'd love to have a few for the eggs. And it would give my girls some practical skills. They've never lived in a rural area that they can remember.
Eggzackly, dirk g.
I'm not crazy about keeping chickens, those are some evil little birds.
But...
fresh eggs and having your yard kept free of bugs is a good thing.
What is it about punchbowls? In 17 years of married life, we've never found it necessary to own one. Why do folks feel compelled to scoop their beverages from a big bowl into tiny cups?
Rhetorical questions, really. No response required
left rev, rookie cheesehead
I have one that someone gave me when they bought some stuff at an estate sale. Pretty old cut glass thingy.
It sits in the middle of my dining room table, full of artificial flowers.
Again, the government is NOT buying these mortgages at discount.
THEY ARE PAYING TOP DOLLAR.
Nobody will do anything about the chickens unless the neighbours complain. They probably don't have a Chicken Patrol division.
Ali
Don't be too sure about that:
http://www.newsobserver.com/news...ry/
1177073.html
Woman here in the Triangle had to give up her chickens, and the racist reasoning behind the ban became pretty apparent...
The city's lead inspector and a council member have said part of the reason they don't want to loosen the ordinance is because of Sanford's growing number of Hispanic residents, who they fear would want to raise chickens and other livestock.
Columbo and I were the best. Me in books and Columbo on t.v. If only the internet was available when we were doing our thing.... Oh well, it was another time then.
It was much friendlier. There were bad people then but there weren't so many people who supported them.
"deregulation gives me a schubby"-Larry Kudlow
Molly's chickens should begin laying eggs about the first of next month.
left rev
I bet you can get some kind of exemption for "educational" purposes or something.
Cost of Obama's healthcare, college tuition, and green jobs plans
= $85 billion
Just let me say FUUUUUCCCKK YOUUUUU in advance to all the assholes who say there is no money for that kind of thing in 2009. That means you too Blue Dogs. Thanks for buying a box of ten shitcicles instead of fucking fixing America. The fucking Democrats are going to roll over and lick balls AGAIN, just like Gephardt did in the run up to the Iraq War.
This is the entire problem. And it comes from always trying to be Republican lite.
Hecate, Runnymeade Conspirator | 09.20.08 - 1:41 pm | #
to be fair, in many ways obama doesn't have to try very hard.
i smell submerged racism.
Yup. we are rapidly reaching that trigger point where people will have to wrestle their own submerged racism in order to pull the lever for Obama. This isn't going to be pretty as they either do it or come up with some horse shit rationale not to.
Race is not the biggest factor driving Democrats and independents away from Obama. Doubts about his competency loom even larger, the poll indicates.
Because McCain looks SO competent.
WHY won't these people just admit that they are racists?
There's a breakdown of that AP-Yahoo poll at Dkos that shows what a crock those "warnings" are.
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I have one that someone gave me when they bought some stuff at an estate sale. Pretty old cut glass thingy.
It sits in the middle of my dining room table, full of artificial flowers.
Terry C - Obama/Bush 2008
That sounds lovely.
I like punch.
What about a kick in the ass?
If you need another trillion in liquidity on Monday, it's there.
Jeez, Sanford? PIg manure lagoons, yes; chickens, no!
Just let me say FUUUUUCCCKK YOUUUUU in advance to all the assholes who say there is no money for that kind of thing in 2009. That means you too Blue Dogs. Thanks for buying a box of ten shitcicles instead of fucking fixing America. The fucking Democrats are going to roll over and lick balls AGAIN, just like Gephardt did in the run up to the Iraq War.
joejoejoe
Yup. What he said.
Cost of Obama's healthcare, college tuition, and green jobs plans
= $85 billion
What's that....a third of what's being pissed away in this Ego War of Bush's????
And his fucking tax cuts for the greedy obscenely wealthy?
That sounds lovely.
left rev, rookie cheesehead
Hey, gotta use it for something.
What about a kick in the ass?
Shared Humanity | 09.20.08 - 1:50 pm | #
NTodd loves all things in the ass.
So when they get the 700 bill, they'll.....LEND IT OUT AGAIN!!!!!
Think they'll care if its good collateral?
Just let me say FUUUUUCCCKK YOUUUUU in advance to all the assholes who say there is no money for that kind of thing in 2009.
i've been told that the fed's resources are unlimited.
the military's, too. bush told us that back in 2003, i think it was.
left rev
I bet you can get some kind of exemption for "educational" purposes or something.
Hecate, Runnymeade Conspirator
There's a thought
Hopefully it wouldn't require homeschooling my crew. There's a huge FFA/ 4H deal in this town, and its not fair that only the kids who live outside the city limits can take advantage of the small livestock aspects.
They DO allow rabbits in town, but I am deathly allergic to them. Anaphylaxis to the nth degree.
i'm gonna go make myself a grilled cheese sammich -- anybody want anything while I'm up?
taking on this bailout probably means everybody's going to pay more taxes. So much for the "over $250,000" thing.
i'm gonna go make myself a grilled cheese sammich -- anybody want anything while I'm up?
Have a purring kitten on my lap. I'm good.
Though I don't think I'm interested in Chuck Schumer's doing so, I am not inherently against some rolling over and ball-licking.
i'm gonna go make myself a grilled cheese sammich -- anybody want anything while I'm up?
TJ, just tryin' to get by
Let us know if you see Jebus anywhere in that sammitch.
It sits in the middle of my dining room table, full of artificial flowers.
Terry C - Obama/Bush 2008
We bought our entire dining room set at an estate auction years ago. Beautiful stuff at a really cut rate price.
Messing around I found a yellowed sticker on the underside of one of the drawers. the furniture was built in 1912.
An RC Cola and a Moon Pie.
taking on this bailout probably means everybody's going to pay more taxes. So much for the "over $250,000" thing.
Ali
Um. Obama is smarter than Bill Clinton.
He's just going to pass it on to our grandchildren.
i'm gonna go make myself a grilled cheese sammich -- anybody want anything while I'm up?
TJ, just tryin' to get by
Student Loan forgiveness. With ketchup.
Kthnx.
Have a purring kitten on my lap. I'm good.
Anon, rainy
WANT!
I like punch.
NTodd, Has Issues, Will Travel | Homepage | 09.20.08 - 1:38 pm | #
cock punch?
An RC Cola and a Moon Pie.
plantsman | 09.20.08 - 1:53 pm | #
That comment just spiked my blood sugar.
Hey, gotta use it for something.
I have a uranium glass punch bowl that holds spare mechanical bits and bolts, in my workshop. It seems like a waste, but it sits securely on a bench next to a wall, so it won't fall and go crash on the floor and I'd not put food or drink in it ever. Never did get much of a bid for it when I was selling this stuff of ebay, so I pulled the auction.
The mortgage auctions will be a sham.
These mortgages will go for pennies on the dollar.
WE will bear the losses.
First of all, crazed wild-eyed freaks don't give me much confidence.
PARTY!
FREEDOM!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G...h?
v=Gy6emqDaPMw
Um. Obama is smarter than Bill Clinton.
He's just going to pass it on to our grandchildren.
Gomez
Just when I think it couldn't get more depressing in here...
Mine too, I couldn't eat either one.
Afternoon, all.
Just back from a long, exhausting morning spent namestealing terminally ill Iraqi war vets over at http://deathsdoor.com.
Anything irksome going on I should know about?
We bought our entire dining room set at an estate auction years ago. Beautiful stuff at a really cut rate price.
Messing around I found a yellowed sticker on the underside of one of the drawers. the furniture was built in 1912.
MP
The old stuff is made SO much better than the crap they put out nowadays.
It held up.
These mortgages will go for pennies on the dollar.
WE will bear the losses.
Gomez | 09.20.08 - 1:54 pm | #
i'm thinking of defaulting on my mortgage to make up the difference.
Please don't hurt me any more.
What's "uranium glass"?
the military's, too. bush told us that back in 2003, i think it was.
I think that was vonRumsfailed, explaining why there was no body armor for the troops, or armor for HMMWVS.
Plenty of money for his bling, though.
Messing around I found a yellowed sticker on the underside of one of the drawers. the furniture was built in 1912.
Try writing a love letter and sticking it under there - maybe you'll get a reply from somewhere in time!
husband screaming at teevee(Andrew Sullivan on Maher)
Meanwhile, my tinfoil hat is getting bigger...lots of F15 practice flights in Klamath Falls right now.
Hmm..seem to have left off the last name just then.
I regret the error, but not the namestealing of terminally ill Iraqi war vets.
These mortgages will go for pennies on the dollar.
WE will bear the losses.
Well, yeah, but I also have this vision of millions of homeless people if we don't.
The last time the government had to step in to rescue the private sector this much was the S&L bailout in the 80's.
Keating 5 much?
Well, yeah, but I also have this vision of millions of homeless people if we don't.
Anon, rainy | 09.20.08 - 1:56 pm | #
There is absolutely nothing in this bill that will allow people to keep their homes.
The punchbowl is in shards on the floor, there's red wine all over the white carpet, the financial system's puking its guts into the gutter out in front of the house, and here comes Henry Paulson with a jug of Thunderbird.
Just back from a long, exhausting morning spent namestealing terminally ill Iraqi war vets over at http://deathsdoor.com.
Remember to hydrate - all the spitting must have left you quite dry.
Because McCain looks SO competent.
Johnny Mav looks like death warmed over. He's dropped a good 20 pounds since mid-summer.
Heh heh...laughing at the report on the Comcast screen:
Polls say Palin popularity plummeting.
Gee, who saw THAT coming?????
can I freeze homemade apple sauce without having to pressure cook/mason jar it?
These mortgages will go for pennies on the dollar.
WE will bear the losses.
Well, yeah, but I also have this vision of millions of homeless people if we don't.
Anon, rainy
I have a vision of a million squatters. Heavily armed squatters.
There is absolutely nothing in this bill that will allow people to keep their homes.
Oh. I did not know that. Well, shit.
The last time the government had to step in to rescue the private sector this much was the S&L bailout in the 80's.
There is no comparison to size of the current problem.
Brian
You have mental problems. But, they are treatable. Seriously, get help.
Try writing a love letter and sticking it under there - maybe you'll get a reply from somewhere in time!
JeffCO
I'm too tired to do anything like that.
Dude, no more wide body moves, calm down.
Hmm..seem to have left off the last name just then.
That's OK - my Ovaltine Decoder Ring just came in the mail and I was able to cipher it out!
What's "uranium glass"?
It has a small amount of uranium in it to give it a yellowish green color. It's also sometimes called vasoline glass. If you've got any old glassware such as depression glass, shine a UV light on it. The Uranium glass has a florescence in a pale green color from that.
It's slightly radioactive.
Messing around I found a yellowed sticker on the underside of one of the drawers. the furniture was built in 1912.
MP | 09.20.08 - 1:53 pm | #
We bought a breakfast set at an estate sale for under a hundred bucks. Got it home and found out it was Stickley -- not the mission stuff but a colonial line they put out.
It's really beautiful quality. We're not into traditional furnishings but the lines of the cherry table and chairs are so graceful and clean they go with most anything.
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NTodd has long rambling confessional mail.
I think that was vonRumsfailed, explaining why there was no body armor for the troops, or armor for HMMWVS.
no, that was rumsfeld pretending that there WERE limits to military spending.
i was thinking of when bush was asked how much he was willing to spend in blood and treasure on the iraq misadventure, and he answered "whatever it takes - there are no limits" to the cost of enforced freedom.
if i had a blog, i'd link to where i wrote about it at the time.
The last time the government had to step in to rescue the private sector this much was the S&L bailout in the 80's.
Remember the RTC? Remember the entire S$L bailout being done "off budget"?
Remember Neil Bush robbing banks and getting away with it, because the loathesome bitch who bore him said he was "a good boy"? Pretty much in the sense that Ma Barker referred to her own criminal offspring?
Don't expect much oversight on what is actually owed on the mortgages. It has been my experience that mortgage companies stonewall on that. They probably won't even have to turn over a payment history.
We will be taken to the cleaners.
There is no comparison to size of the current problem.
Edgar Allen Poe's "Masque of the Red Death" comes to mind.
can I freeze homemade apple sauce without having to pressure cook/mason jar it?
ErinPDX
That's the trouble with having all that fabulous fruit - you have to do stuff with it.
Terry C, Comcast just offered to speed up my internet for ONLY ten more bucks a month.
Fuck Comcast.
These mortgages will go for pennies on the dollar.
I'm sure the new buyers will adjust the payments they want accordingly...
Polls say Palin popularity plummeting.
Gee, who saw THAT coming?????
Terry C - Obama/Bush 2008 | Homepage | 09.20.08 - 1:58 pm | #
Did you see the Op-Ed in the NYTimes this morning? Hilarious proof that she's an anchor for McCain.
Plus the guy calls her SnowJob SquareGlasses.
Upsidasium, I wasn't feeling optimistic this morning, but as I read your description of the situation, my head began to throb. Because you're right. We're sooooo screwed.
I need to go outside and get some fresh air. A trip to the farmer's market sounds good too.
Back later, bats.
Just got this notice on a Pagan listserv:
It is two months until the general presidential election, an election that will decide the next President of the United States. The person elected will be the president of all Americans, not just the Democrats or the Republicans. * *
>
To show our solidarity as Americans, let's all get together and show each other our support for the candidate of our choice. It's time that we all come together, Democrats and Republicans alike.
>
> If you support the policies and character of Senator Obama, please drive with your headlights on during the day.
>
> If you support Senator McCain, please drive with your headlights off at night.
>
> Thank you and God Bless America.
--
There is no possibility of social justice on a dead planet except the equality of the grave.
Yes, Erin; but you must allow for the expansion the freezing causes in the jars.
We will be taken to the cleaners.
Gomez | 09.20.08 - 1:59 pm | #
This bill puts the entire public in the Van, drives them to the cleaners, and shoves them in a vat of carbon tet.
SnowJob SquareGlasses.
steve hüssein® simels
Awesome.
That's OK - my Ovaltine Decoder Ring just came in the mail and I was able to cipher it out!
R-E-A-D-M-O-R-E-M-O-V-I-E-R-E-V-I-E-W-S
Son of a bitch!!!
Plus the guy calls her SnowJob SquareGlasses.
I like Mooselini, but damn that's choice.
It has a small amount of uranium in it to give it a yellowish green color. It's also sometimes called vasoline glass. If you've got any old glassware such as depression glass, shine a UV light on it. The Uranium glass has a florescence in a pale green color from that.
It's slightly radioactive.
Doug
Oooooh. Cool.
My grandmother had some of that stuff. They used it all the time. I wonder if the accumulation of radioactivity could explain my youngest uncle 
SnowJob SquareGlasses.
Well, yeah, but I also have this vision of millions of homeless people if we don't.
Anon, rainy | 09.20.08 - 1:56 pm | #
two of the things the bailout will help pay for are collection agency goons and eviction procedures.
Johnny Mav looks like death warmed over. He's dropped a good 20 pounds since mid-summer.
dave™© | Homepage | 09.20.08 - 1:57 pm | #
During October, Obama will run McCrazy into the ground. He's young and healthy and by Nov, McC will really look dead.
Son of a bitch!!!
RALPHIE! C'MON, I GOTTA GO!! MOM!!!
Link to the NYT Op ed
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/2...ion&
oref=slogin
NTodd has long rambling confessional mail.
ErinPDX | 09.20.08 - 1:59 pm | #
Okay, let's get back to the business of America then.
Edgar Allen Poe's "Masque of the Red Death" comes to mind.
I was thinking Fall of the House of Bushit
two of the things the bailout will help pay for are collection agency goons and eviction procedures.
Oh, like "Roger and Me."
He's young and healthy and by Nov, McC will really look dead.
The brownshirts that forced Little Miss Wingnut on him are hoping he WILL be.
To recap:
The government will pay the mortgage companies what they say is owed, padded to the hilt.
The government will take the mortgages and then auction them off for practically nothing.
Back later, bats.
TOW
Maybe I should have taken a longer nap.
Edgar Allen Poe's "Masque of the Red Death" comes to mind.
Anon, rainy | 09.20.08 - 1:59 pm | #
at least they got a going away party.
The Wall Street bailout pales in comparison to the Cadillac welfare queen problem.
Just got this notice on a Pagan listserv:
The government will pay the mortgage companies what they say is owed, padded to the hilt.
The government will take the mortgages and then auction them off for practically nothing.
Gomez | 09.20.08 - 2:02 pm | #
And then the new owners will take the properties.
Don't expect much oversight on what is actually owed on the mortgages. It has been my experience that mortgage companies stonewall on that. They probably won't even have to turn over a payment history.
We will be taken to the cleaners.
Gomez | 09.20.08 - 1:59 pm | #
I had a mortgage that got sold three or four times. Every single time I spent hours on the phone straightening out the payments I'd made to one that hadn't been transferred to the other.
We refinanced locally eventually. I don't know if the bank still owns our mortgage but it still handles the statements at least.
.
To recap:
The government will pay the mortgage companies what they say is owed, padded to the hilt.
The government will take the mortgages and then auction them off for practically no--
Smithers, release the hounds!
Paulson has dead eyes, like Cindy McCain.
The Wall Street bailout pales in comparison to the Cadillac welfare queen problem.
Yup, those darkies are far greater parasites than the Masters of the Universe.
Scholar on ancient Egyptians: They liked to drink. They obviously liked to fornicate. And they liked to gossip.
Not much has changed.
Edgar Allen Poe's "Masque of the Red Death" comes to mind.
Anon, rainy | 09.20.08 - 1:59 pm | #
at least they got a going away party.
A mashup of CNBC footage from this week with that old 1960s "Masque" film would be strangely apt.
Yup, those darkies are far greater parasites than the Masters of the Universe.
It's sad how those shiftless pickaninnies outsmarted them Harvard boys...
OT, but the hotel bombing in Pakistan and the attack on the US embassy in Yemen sure look like AlQaida is trying to get the world's attention. Iraq did not work on any level. Keep trying to defend it Mav. And these recent attacks are not good news for republicans. If you just know how to win, Mav, this would be a good time to tell us. You know before anymore people get killed.
Paulson has dead eyes, like Cindy McCain.
plantsman | 09.20.08 - 2:03 pm | #
she's a doll.
SnowJob SquareGlasses.
Read that is a.m. It's my favorite.
.
Student Loan forgiveness.
You and me both. It's pissing me off to the extreme that the fed is getting ready to bail out billionaires but us plebes have to keep paying for our education plus interest forever and ever and ever.
plantsman, RC Cola and a moon pie sounds awesome. you must be from the south.
she's a doll.
"My name's Cindy McCain and I'm going to kill you!"
Born in Greensboro.
The government will pay the mortgage companies what they say is owed, padded to the hilt.
The government will take the mortgages and then auction them off for practically nothing.
The 'liquidity' problem was based upon the debt-holders 'not knowing' how to value them.
Shall we guess how quickly they stick a price on all their toxic waste once the bailout's approved? They've done all the accounting and kept the records in the broom cupboard.
Here's one way to use stepper motor technology...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9...h?
v=98I808GSGQk
One of these days, I'm going to buy one of those retrofitted Gibson Les Pauls with this technology, but not before I get a four wheel drive Astro van.
I need to practice in peace. Somewhere on a mountain top.
I need my freedom to play.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N...h?
v=Nvf6OxAUtyE
Watch this vid after 3 minutes especially...
That Gold top has stringer pickups from what I understand, but he has like three of these...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6...h?
v=6r3ck7CRc2o
Scholar on ancient Egyptians: They liked to drink. They obviously liked to fornicate. And they liked to gossip.
Not much has changed.
If Bush has his way we will have no straw for our bricks either.
Erin - got it, babe. More later.
Hecate has e-mail, too.
Now back to sleep.
It's sad how those shiftless pickaninnies outsmarted them Harvard boys...
I'm afraid Harvard boys are not what they once were. After all, the deserter is a Harvard MBA.
That's the trouble with having all that fabulous fruit - you have to do stuff with it.
Ali
yep
husband whacked the apple trees so badly a few years ago, this is the first year the fruit returned and I wasn't expecting it. Hate to let all those great tasting apples rot on the ground.
If Bush has his way we will have no straw for our bricks either.
So it shall be written - so it shall be done!
edit: That Gold top has stronger pickups from what I understand, but he has like three of these...
So, the Tesla Roadster has a range of 244 miles, and the Chevy Volt will have an electric range of 40 miles. Bail GM out? Sure, why not.
Ha. "Fall of the Roman Empire" starting now on TCM.
Shall we guess how quickly they stick a price on all their toxic waste once the bailout's approved? They've done all the accounting and kept the records in the broom cupboard.
pseudonymous in nc
The amount to be paid is based on the Federal Credit Reform act of 1990:
Present value of all sums owed on the mortgage.
That's the trouble with having all that fabulous fruit - you have to do stuff with it.
Ali
i let the figs ferment and get the wasps and crows drunk.
worth it for entertainment value alone.
Hate to let all those great tasting apples rot on the ground.
You could start selling them down in the financial district... ohwaitaminnit, I'll bet the competition for a free street corner is FIERCE!
Present value of all sums owed on the mortgage.
Why aren't you on CNN?
If Bush has his way we will have no straw for our bricks either.
So it shall be written - so it shall be done!
dave™©
It was the Republican boys in de nile that began all of this. Lets bury them under a pyramid scheme next time.
McStain, when you meet with Putin, will you take Sarah and First Dude and all the gang along?
So, the Tesla Roadster has a range of 244 miles
I absolutely want one of those, even though I don't have $100K and there's no Tesla shop in Seattle.
Pretty much in the sense that Ma Barker referred to her own criminal offspring?
Apprentice to Darth Holden
Damn! I shoulda used a pen instead of a Tommy Gun -- Ma Barker
Ha. "Fall of the Roman Empire" starting now on TCM.
Livius had the solution to that problem, too.
Crucifixion of the local "Masters of the Universe."
Ma Barker = Bar Bush.
she's a doll.
"My name's Cindy McCain and I'm going to kill you!"
Wife of Chuckie.
It was the Republican boys in de nile that began all of this. Lets bury them under a pyramid scheme next time.
HI-YOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!
I spent a lot of fall days helping my mom can apple sauce. We had a hand cranked grater that pushed the cooked apples through a collander. Best stuff ever.
Why aren't you on CNN?
dave™©
I'd bore them to death with my discussion of the Steelers.
McStain, when you meet with Putin, will you take Sarah and First Dude and all the gang along?
Lime Rickey
The Wasilla Hillbillies go to Moscow!
The government will take the mortgages and then auction them off for practically nothing.
Gomez
Is there anything to prevent the mortgage companies from just turning around and buying back the mortgages at greatly reduced prices? That's what I would do if I were in the mortgage business.
So, the Tesla Roadster has a range of 244 miles
I was working for a company recently that had a meeting with those guys.
Apparently, it's a $5k deposit just for a test drive!
McStain, when you meet with Putin, will you take Sarah and First Dude and all the gang along?
Lime Rickey
lol!!! thanks for the laugh!
you're the best!!!
Pooty: "I vant to meet Breestol."
I'd bore them to death with my discussion of the Steelers.
Cattle prods can really focus a person...
Polls say Palin popularity plummeting.
try saying that ten times real fast.
It can't be done, but it will definitely make you smile.
At its root this financial crisis is a criminal matter.Big Biz gives money to politicians to write laws favorable to them.Its called bribery by people with their minds intact.
Is there anything to prevent the mortgage companies from just turning around and buying back the mortgages at greatly reduced prices? That's what I would do if I were in the mortgage business.
qlª - Obama/Biden
Nothing. And that is likely because they will have the appraisals and other info to make an informed bid.
Can't leave the fruit to rot here: bears.
the Tesla Roadster has a range of 244 miles
It goes from 0-60 in like -4 seconds.
"I'd bore them to death with my discussion of the Steelers."
the Eagles are definitely going to play the Steelers tomorrow!
Steve Clemons has the
com"> funniest McCain/Palin picture ever.
That cunt John McCain is the most responsible for this mess. He has always agrued for less regulation, always. What has less regulation got you? A fucked up economy.
Dammit
again
try saying that ten times real fast.
It can't be done...
...my friends!
Anyway, I just did it! AND I was listening to REM's "End of the World" at the same time!!!
erin, while we were in france, one of Mr. TJ's friends made us this fabulous meal where the first course was pan-seared foie gras served with apples sauteed in ginger, cinnamon, cloves, etc. it was super-delish.
ya know, just a suggestion for that spare foie gras you've got hanging around.
apple tarts and pies sound like a good idea, though, and then you can mail them to all the atriots!
Better Link:
http://www.thewashingtonnote.com/
HOW much do the Tesla Roadsters cost? I searched their website but couldn't see it.
Probably means it's some outrageous price.
Erin: Calvados!
I am all for the Jubilee thing just let me get a loan for a Tesla Roadster first.
Tell me. This doesn't sound as much like Zeppelin...
http://www.mojaveampworks.com/
in...=28,108,0,0,1,0
...as does this other sample ...does it?
Myopic Void
http://h1.ripway.com/Ed%20A/Moby.../
Mobystudio.mp3
That's because a Marshall isn't a Hi-Watt. I have a different ear for this stuff, I suppose.
I'm a purist. I think these bands on SNL are actually jokes, aren't they?
the Eagles are definitely going to play the Steelers tomorrow!
"These two teams came to play!"
As opposed to, say, coming to check out the local museums, I guess...
The 700 billion will be long gone by the time Obama takes office.
$100,000.00
HOW much do the Tesla Roadsters cost? I searched their website but couldn't see it.
About 109K
The Eagles are good this year. I don't want my Skins to play them. I only want them to beat Dallas twice. The NFC East looks to be very powerful this year.
The 700 billion will be long gone by the time Obama takes office.
"Those tax-and-spend Democrats, ladies and gentlemen, have saddled us with ANOTHER horrendous deficit!"
The Eagles pass too much.
to celebrate the new economy, i have decided to go to the horse races today in an effort to bail out my 401k.
The Eagles pass too much.
Take Beano.
I don't know...I just hear more of a treble cutting through with the Hi-Watt amps.
I'm gonna get me of them some day too.
Thx, quick responders!
The funny thing is on the website, it says how much "simpler" the electric engine is compared to gas. Simpler =/= cheaper?
Mass production, I know. But still.
I'll await the Tesla Civic.
The Eagles pass too much.
they take it to the limit
The Booshies have always been in it for what they could loot.
I don't know why anyone should be so surprised.
to celebrate the new economy, i have decided to go to the horse races today in an effort to bail out my 401k.
I have busted out my sweaters and woolly socks because hell as frozen over with the advent of REALLY BIG government by the GOP
Shorter Bush Bank Rescue Plan: America, you've been pawned!
Nothing. And that is likely because they will have the appraisals and other info to make an informed bid.
Gomez
Well, geeze, why bother with the charade then. Let's just hand over the u.s. treasury to the boys on Wall St. If a lowly paralegal on a blog can figure out how to scam the system, I'm sure these big, smart Harvard mba's have it all worked out.
""These two teams came to play!"
As opposed to, say, coming to check out the local museums, I guess..."
they also have some kinda players
That cunt John McCain is the most responsible for this mess. He has always agrued for less regulation, always. What has less regulation got you? A fucked up economy.
He has no idea what's going on. He's still running around talking about "growing the economy." Growing? The only thing growing is the debt. Paulson is trying to avoid a global economic collapse and McCain has got a plan to grow the economy? With 11 trillion in debt hanging over us? Unbelievable.
The funny thing is on the website, it says how much "simpler" the electric engine is compared to gas. Simpler =/= cheaper?
Mass production, I know. But still.
I'll await the Tesla Civic.
Ali
There ain't nothing simpler than a diesel engine. Why they are used so much.
Hello moonbats
Brian Westbrook is the best football player in the game right now.
If a lowly paralegal on a blog can figure out how to scam the system, I'm sure these big, smart Harvard mba's have it all worked out.
They'll do fine, as long as there are no Negroes around to tempt them with magic beans...
Oh, the white chick has to cover Sarah Palin.
"The Eagles pass too much.
they take it to the limit"
you'll find out in the long run
""These two teams came to play!"
As opposed to, say, coming to check out the local museums, I guess..."
they also have some kinda players
Uncle Blodge, Urban Teacher
This is one of those games where one team is going to have to score more points than the other team to win!
Hi, Moon; cold better?
Hi Moon
obama could blow a winning hand now if he lets the Dem Legislative establishment and Rubin etc. convince him to acquiesce to this shameful collapse.
Well, geeze, why bother with the charade then. Let's just hand over the u.s. treasury to the boys on Wall St.
Palin is tiring, she can't do it.
"Well, geeze, why bother with the charade then. Let's just hand over the u.s. treasury to the boys on Wall St."
I think that was done a long time ago.
There ain't nothing simpler than a diesel engine.
An electric engine is simpler. Very few moving parts. Batteries, on the other hand, are a bitch.
The Treasury secretary will have total discretion on who to sell to and how much to pay for the mortgages.
No resort to the Courts.
First report to Congress due in three months.(right before they leave office)
they take it to the limit"
you'll find out in the long run
The Greeks don't want no freaks.
(Maybe the most insipid Eagles' song ever, and that's really sayin' somethin', wop bop shoobeedoo waaah...)
Palin is tiring, she can't do it.
Makes sense...McCain's heart isn't in it anymore.
"This is one of those games where one team is going to have to score more points than the other team to win!"
but are they a second half team?
"The Eagles pass too much.
they take it to the limit"
you'll find out in the long run
but don't look back, you can never look back
Hi, Moon; cold better?
plantsman | 09.20.08 - 2:19 pm | #
all gone
am back to my usual healthy self
buckle up, bitches. the unraveling is just getting started.
The Tampa Bay newspaper has an interesting piece: One thought pushes fence-sitters to the left: Palin
Positive news from FL
Ha, ha Palin, McCain administration.
How about the government cuts out the middleman and buys out the mortgages, then turns them into public housing?
So, if the bailout will just "bring the punchbowl back to the party", is Atrios advocating letting them fail?
Sorry to refer back to the actual post. I know it's not done here.
Oh, hell; trying to pretend to attend an online meeting while lurking/commenting:
I thought they just *did* hand over the treasury to Wall St.
had an enjoyable day, a manicure followed by a hair cut
so am quite chilled out at the moment
The Treasury secretary will have total discretion on who to sell to and how much to pay for the mortgages.
No resort to the Courts.
First report to Congress due in three months.(right before they leave office)
Gomez
Calvinball for looters. Nice.
Bush the socialist ha ha
Palin is tiring, she can't do it.
"A full hour of jerking and he barely gets hard! God DAMN!!!"
Indeed, Moon -- and J.K. Rowling gave serious money to Labour.
I'd like to see them "fail" actually.
Call their bluff.
Raising the minimum wage will plunge the economy into a recession.
Cutting taxes on the rich will produce more tax revenue for the Treasury.
Iraq's reconstruction will cost US taxpayers $1.7 billion.
People who have told you these things get you in a locked room and whisper 'give me a trillion dollars for my friends or it will cost you more- and no pesky hearings and no oversight'.
????
-
"A full hour of jerking and he barely gets hard! God DAMN!!!"
Try shouting "diddy mau!"
Calvinball for looters. Nice.
Upsidasium
Nope, those are foragers. --CNN
Gomez for Secretary of the Treasury.
Socialism for everyone but the "little people."
Can we fill the punch bowl with fresh orange juice. My spawn were begging me for not-from-concentrate OJ, so I said I'd pick up a gallon.
$6.34/gallon
I see scurvy in our future.
I'm looking forward to Sarah Palin saying something truly crazed.
Westbrook lines up as tailback, in the slot, or wide out, depending on the play call. And kicks ass in all three.
I hate the Eagles, but he's the best player in the NFL, IMO.
Indeed, Moon -- and J.K. Rowling gave serious money to Labour.
plantsman | 09.20.08 - 2:22 pm | #
i see, here's a post about it - Profligacio!
CNN "poll of polls"
Obama 47%
McStain 44%
i see, here's a post about it - Profligacio!
Moonbootica, Brit Lefty
Gomez for Secretary of the Treasury.
mer
Secretary of The Punchbowl.
Orange crop is right around the corner; juice makers typically lower prices during winter.
Paul Krugman had been saying for months that while things were crappy, it wouldn't be as bad as Bush I's recession in the early 90's. And then last night, he said that we were days away from the second Great Depression. Wow.
Loser.
Orange crop is right around the corner; juice makers typically lower prices during winter.
plantsman
True, but I'd say this is not gonna be a typical winter. inflation will be insane.
Wow, moonbat - Eddie Izzard and Banksy, too?
They actually like Gordon Brown or really, really hate the conservatives?
there's that word again - Russia's two main stockmarkets bounced back yesterday after trading resumed for the first time since Wednesday - but were then closed after further volatility.
The rouble-denominated MICEX and dollar-denominated RTS reopened from suspension, only for trading to be halted in the morning and afternoon. Regulators sought the closures as shares soared - the MICEX was up 26.3% and the RTS 20%. By early evening, trading had not resumed.
The revival of Russian markets, coinciding with a strong rally on Wall Street and in London, came after the Kremlin pumped nearly $60bn (£33bn) into money markets. Russia's finance ministry said on Wednesday it was lending $44bn to the three main banks, while the central bank announced loans of $14bn to ease the liquidity crisis.
Yesterday the prime minister, Vladimir Putin, said Russia's economy remained secure. Speaking at an investors' forum in the Black Sea resort of Sochi, he said that the "fundamental indicators" were sound and the country had "more than $550bn" in currency reserves. "Our response to problems will be market-orientated. The government and the central bank have sufficient reserves to defend the currency and financial system," Putin said. Other Kremlin officials made clear the government was prepared to intervene further.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/
...ia.stockmarkets
Orange crop is right around the corner...
SHHHHHHHH - I've got a guy in a gorilla suit stealing the report!
Fuck you.
$6.34/gallon
I see scurvy in our future.
left rev, rookie cheesehead
Let them drink Perrier.
"Those tax-and-spend Democrats, ladies and gentlemen, have saddled us with ANOTHER horrendous deficit!"
The sad thing is the subnormal GOP base will take this bait, for the umpteenth time.
These people are frankly unworthly of life.
And then last night, he said that we were days away from the second Great Depression. Wow.
sekmet
holy shit. what program was this?
darn it. OSU is going to beat troy after all. for a second there the trojans had me hoping...
"I hate the Eagles,"
???
I understand hating the creatures from dallas but what have the igglz ever done to deserve hate?
Hecate, Runnymeade Conspirator | 09.20.08 - 2:00 pm | #
Absolute morons.
There's an Obama debate watch party in my 'hood on the Friday, but I'd rather sit with you guys.
'give me a trillion dollars for my friends or it will cost you more- QuentinCompson, Negato
like this oldie but goodie:
New White House Estimate Lifts Drug Benefit Cost to $720 Billion
Published: February 9, 2005
WASHINGTON, Feb. 8 - The Bush administration offered a new estimate of the cost of the Medicare drug benefit on Tuesday, saying it would cost $720 billion in the next 10 years. That is much more than the $400 billion Congress assumed when it passed legislation creating the benefit in late 2003...
.
Wow, moonbat - Eddie Izzard and Banksy, too?
They actually like Gordon Brown or really, really hate the conservatives?
Ali | 09.20.08 - 2:27 pm | #
probably more a case of not liking the Tories but i'm not privy to their political leanings lol
Labour are shit but the Tories are marginally more shittier
Calvinball for looters. Nice.
Upsidasium
Nope, those are foragers. --CNN
If they're black or Hispanic, they're looters.
Cabbage has lots of vitamin C -- steamed cabbage wedges will prevent scurvy.
$6.34/gallon
I see scurvy in our future.
left rev, rookie cheesehead
Let them drink Perrier.
Marie Hominem
Vitamin C enriched?
There is no basis in fact for the stock markets to be rebounding.
This bailout does nothing to cure the underlying problems in the economy.
"The sad thing is the subnormal GOP base will take this bait, for the umpteenth time."
the big lie. they've been working it for years
Contessa trying to keep Fucker out of Bounds in bounds.
And then last night, he said that we were days away from the second Great Depression. Wow.
Via Americablog, there's an article (NYT?) that says how close we came to the edge.
I figure their internal polling shows a landslide for Obama. This is their way of making sure a Democratic presidency fails to deliver on anything. In four years that's what they'll run on.
Crack van!
Fucker out of Bounds: Let's call what it is what it is.
Slimeball.
Palin will assassinate you dude. Truth.
Labour are shit but the Tories are marginally more shittier
Moonbootica, Brit Lefty
Funny. We've got exactly the same deal going over here.
Cabbage has lots of vitamin C -- steamed cabbage wedges will prevent scurvy.
I've heard it's also very good for the skin.
Cabbage has lots of vitamin C -- steamed cabbage wedges will prevent scurvy.
plantsman
Fortunately, we loves our kraut
Honestly tho'...
If you really want to do a Marshall efficiently. Learn how to solder.
Then buy this 100 watt plexi kit.
http://metroamp.com/store/?cPath=44
Or buy it already finished, I don't care.
http://metroamp.com/amps_68_100_watt.php
Point is...you can always tweak it later to your liking. That's not always possible with the store bought version.
But I really like them Hi-Watts y'know. And I don't play like a shredder. Never even said I was any good, really. Had so many people reminding me on a daily basis, I don't deserve anything, how could I brag?
So...to each their own, Lorne.
Via Americablog, there's an article (NYT?) that says how close we came to the edge.
Anon, rainy
Nothing has changed. We're still on the edge.
Celebrity sighting:
At my Hell Octaplex yesteday -- saw this weird looking really short and incredibly thin guy dressed all in black with shades and hat. By the concession stand. Said to myself -- "Who the hell is that weird alien insect?"
Got a closer look and it was my hero Richard Belzer.
Man is he short.
A major part of the problem is the conservative media. The Washington Post, in its editorial today assigned equal blame for our current financial crisis to the financial sector & government's large deficits. Here's my response to them:
This is one of the most incredibly bone-headed editorials, from one of the nation's major newspapers, I've ever read. We find out that the largest sector of our economy - the financial market - is essentially a house of cards & that's its failures are likely, without government intervention, to spiral the economy into a depression. So the Washington Post editorial board finds the problem to be equally grounded in financial shenanigans of incredible proportions & the large deficits the federal government is running. I can see WP editorials on the Great Depression being equally a problem of Wall Street excesses & poorly run government programs.
Absolute confidence in that you know the Truth, only means a little girl picking daisy petals has determined your fate.
Absolutely.
Didn't need Barack reiterating the name Barry Goldwater...on some off hand coicidence I had mentioned that name here as well...to tell me that.
To each their own.
It was Rachel Maddow's show last night.
Via Americablog, there's an article (NYT?) that says how close we came to the edge.
Anon, rainy
came? I thought we were in free fall. my limited understanding is that this bailout does nothing to fix the problems we are facing.
I understand hating the creatures from dallas but what have the igglz ever done to deserve hate?
Uncle Blodge, Urban Teacher
Watching them beat the crap out of the Skins for a coupla three decades probably skewed my opinion of the franchise.
Nothing has changed. We're still on the edge.
Gomez
I'm a donkey on the edge!
There's an Obama debate watch party in my 'hood on the Friday, but I'd rather sit with you guys.
what's the drinking game? every time mccambrian says "my friends" or POW?
The Financial Crash of 2008 – or whatever posterity eventually decides to call the events of the last week or so – is potentially an event of era-defining historical significance. It will not fail to have massive long-term political and social consequences, many of which we cannot even guess as yet.
You’d never guess that from the reaction of Britain’s political class, for whom it is pretty much business as usual. Wakey, wakey, guys! That giant sucking sound you might just faintly perceive in the background is the noise major financial institutions generate as they implode, destroying tens of thousands of jobs and making many people homeless in their wake.
To be charitable, the Lib Dems have half an excuse, as it is their conference week. Unfortunate timing or what? Meanwhile, Labour is wrapped up in personality-based internecine squabbling over Brown’s leadership, which is of little import to anyone outside certain somewhat selective coteries.
The Tories are pretty much keeping their mouths firmly shut, perhaps dumbstruck that their entire free market ideological framework is unravelling before their eyes. Then again, many Tory MPs have yet to return from the desirable sunspot in which they spent their summer.
But in the popular consciousness, the quasi-religious veneration of ‘wealth creators’ is right now evaporating, possibly for good. To the extent that the taxpayer picks up the tab for sorting out the mess, a backlash is on the cards. It may even amount to widespread anger. Such a sentiment is something savvy politicians will seek to exploit.
http://www.davidosler.com/2008/
0..._crash_who.html
Labour are shit but the Tories are marginally more shittier
What Moon said. It's easy to forget how shit the Tories were to anyone who wasn't well off.
With JKR, it's about keeping in place the social policies that helped her when she was a single mother with fuck-all money.
came? I thought we were in free fall. my limited understanding is that this bailout does nothing to fix the problems we are facing.
If I understood right (which is dubious about the economy), the edge is the total shutdown of the global economy. game over.
Later Duncan.
Maybe someday, I'll play nice with your serious regulars.
I guess I'll have to be long enough to get to know some of them first.
I already hate a lot of them. They seem kinda queer to me.
Gotta go do stuff.
Later.
"Watching them beat the crap out of the Skins for a coupla three decades probably skewed my opinion of the franchise."
ah.
when I was a youngun the eagles got killed by everybody
This is one of the most incredibly bone-headed editorials,
Carter
Let's see if you get printed. I'm guessing, not.
No one is more thin skinned than the bone headed media.
what's the drinking game? every time mccambrian says "my friends" or POW?
Every time he stares off into space and drools on his shirt...
Yeah, Buttle; I know you have a problem with gay people. Just remember, it's YOUR problem.
Got a closer look and it was my hero Richard Belzer.
Man is he short.
steve hüssein® simels | Homepage | 09.20.08 - 2:31 pm | #
Well, the camera adds 50lbs and 6 inches
when I was a youngun the eagles got killed by everybody
Uncle Blodge, Urban Teacher
The NFC East is a pisser.
Brian is queer.
I got three of my new friends here in DE to donate to PP in Palin's name.
Heehee.
i just have no idea who'd I vote for in the next general election
i still can't bring myself to vote Labour and the Tories are shittier and the Lib Dems don't count
but we'll see
Every time he leers at Palin's ass.
when I was a youngun the eagles got killed by everybody
Since they've been declared an endangered species, though, they've staged a helluva comeback!
BTW, I've never liked punch but I am rather fond of eggnog.
That cunt John McCain is the most responsible for this mess. He has always agrued for less regulation, always.
which, of course, is why mccain was so quick to blame obama, even though the charge made no sense.
it's his m.o.
public fincancing. born outside the u.s. flip-flopping. etc, etc.
the first thing mccain does is accuse his opponent of his own faults. it muddies the water and blunts upcoming attacks.
saying it would cost $720 billion in the next 10 years. That is much more than the $400 billion Congress assumed
Exactly. Not only geniuses, but pristine, too.
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Man is he short.
steve hüssein® simels
sexist!
Obama now up by six in Gallup Poll.
But this is still good news for McCain because it lowers expectations going into the debates...is anyone arguing this bullshit yet?
Chug (or do whole shot) if Obama calls out McCain and says "liar"
when I was a youngun the eagles got killed by everybody
Uncle Blodge, Urban Teacher
This year I hear Vikings training camp consisted of the whole team taking the field, and then practicing falling down.
Yep, Brian is a really gay guy, fond of the taste of semen, like most Tories.
mccain even suggested that obama might have health problems.
i'm surprised he hasn't accused obama of being too old for elected office.
The debate is on Foreign Policy, Barack is gonna rawk!
"Man is he short."
sexist!
Namestealer!
Every time he leers at Palin's ass.
plantsman | 09.20.08 - 2:35 pm | #
even i can't drink THAT much.
If I understood right (which is dubious about the economy), the edge is the total shutdown of the global economy. game over.
Anon, rainy | 09.20.08 - 2:33 pm | #
I just do not buy that.
I am a gay guy, L J; and you're a farking homophobe.
Roubini prescribes a "Home Owners' Mortgage Enterprise" to provide DEBT RELIEF to the HOUSEHOLD sector.
http://marcelinopena.wordpress.c...ubini-solution/
On the other hand, what does he know?
I'm beginning to think Brian is seriously ill. Mentally ill.
Namestealer!
chicago dyke, slothful
Geez, that's annoying.
That cunt John McCain is the most responsible for this mess. He has always agrued for less regulation, always.
which, of course, is why mccain was so quick to blame obama, even though the charge made no sense.
McStain is the bad kid caught with his hand in the cookie jar who says, "It wasn't me. It was him!"
Terrelle just threw his third touchdown pass. Our main man from Jennette is now the starting quaterback for Ohio State. No sitting on the bench for this dude.
But in the popular consciousness, the quasi-religious veneration of ‘wealth creators’ is right now evaporating, possibly for good. To the extent that the taxpayer picks up the tab for sorting out the mess, a backlash is on the cards. It may even amount to widespread anger. Such a sentiment is something savvy politicians will seek to exploit.
In the past, the Tories – the party chiefly associated by the public with finance capital – could have expected to take a pasting. Labour’s left would have had a field day, with Labour Research pamphlets detailing the links of senior Conservatives to the investment banking sector selling like hot buttered collateralised debt obligations, circa 2006.
It speaks volumes about the erosion of the political space between Britain’s two major parties that this scenario will not happen. Sadly there is currently no Labour left MP of sufficient stature, support base, or intellect to act as a figurehead to promote a twenty-first century equivalent to the AES.
Thus the door is left open to populist politicians. The far right may start dropping devious hints about the rootless cosmopolitan character of the speculators. Many of them are from a certain ethnic background, don’t you know?
http://www.davidosler.com/2008/
0..._crash_who.html
which, of course, is why mccain was so quick to blame obama, even though the charge made no sense.
it's his m.o.
public fincancing. born outside the u.s. flip-flopping. etc, etc.
the first thing mccain does is accuse his opponent of his own faults. it muddies the water and blunts upcoming attacks.
dirk gently, sociopathetic
I know you are, but what am I?
I think you're right, ql.
Man is he short.
steve hüssein® simels
Quarter apple short, half apple short, or Tom Cruse short?
OK, jackal killfiled.
Hey Brian, come back you fudge packer.
mccain even suggested that obama might have health problems.
Johnny Mav's going to be openly wearing a defibrillator unit onstage this coming Friday.
beginning, QL?
What of the far left, traditionally the most trenchant critics of monopoly capitalism? Look at some of the main far left websites and you can already read triumphant claims of the vindication of correct Marxist analysis, even if the correct Marxist analysis in question is in complete contradiction to the correct Marxist analysis advanced by the other sects.
This is difficult to take too seriously. At bottom, the most that such groupings have been saying is that at some point, financial capital would inevitably take a nosedive. Given that the existence of a credit cycle is hardly in doubt, that is not much of a boast.
It could, of course, have been different. A serious socialist party with real labour movement roots could have developed an analysis of where we are now, both in terms of Marxist categories and in more readily understandable outline for agitational purposes.
http://www.davidosler.com/2008/
0..._crash_who.html
Oh, no; Heath Barr is just about to appear.
If I understood right (which is dubious about the economy), the edge is the total shutdown of the global economy. game over.
Well, I thought it was a little over the top until I heard something like that the day before on NPR (I know, grain of salt) saying we came close to banks being unable to trade money with one another, which would lead to a cascading destablization. Trade grinds to a halt. Depression.
This year I hear Vikings training camp consisted of the whole team taking the field, and then practicing falling down.
Adam Hominem
I'm so old, that when I think of the Vikings, I still think Joe Kapp and Jim Marshall and Bud Grant.
Maybe an oxygen mask and tank, TM Dave.
I'm beginning to think Brian is seriously ill. Mentally ill.
qlª - Obama/Biden
Jesus Christ, I knew that right away. I might be dumb about a lot of things, but crazy I know right off.
Palin is certifiable, btw. Should be darted with thorazine and dragged off somewhere where she can rest.
BBL
If such an organisation had worked steadily for years to popularise these ideas, it would surely have been able to gain support in the months to come. But because we don’t have an adequate left in Britain, this cannot happen, either.
If conspiracy theories about 'Jewish money men' do start to gain a wider hearing, the irresponsibility of the left over the last period will have to take some of the blame.
http://www.davidosler.com/2008/
0..._crash_who.html
Ali, it's just dave being silly again. no worries. the homer simpson gravatar is the giveaway.
Maybe an oxygen mask and tank...
Frankly, I think he's getting chemo. Really.
"I'm so old, that when I think of the Vikings, I still think Joe Kapp and Jim Marshall and Bud Grant."
maybe obama will put alan page on the supreme court
Roubini concludes with a typically chipper assessment:
At this point a severe recession is unavoidable; the only question is how severe and protracted it will be. Debt reduction and public recapitalization of banks will not instantly resolve every problem and will not prevent a painful recession that – at this point – will last at least 18 month. But it will prevent a painful U-shaped recession from turning into a multi-year L-shaped recession like the one that afflicted Japan for a decade after the bursting of its real estate and equity bubble. So let us not delude ourselves that even a HOME program of debt reduction will prevent a recession: the recession train has already left the station and the economic downturn is already becoming global. What we can avoid now is only the risk that a severe US and now advanced economy recession will turn into a Japanese style decade long stagnation. Thus, the time of dithering and using band-aid to deal with the financial storm of the century is over and the time to act boldly is now! Lets create the HOME (Home Owners’ Mortgage Enterprise) now!
people go just where they will
i never noticed them until
i got this feeling
that its later than it seems...
jackson browne
Fuck you loser.
I'm so old, that when I think of the Vikings, I still think Joe Kapp and Jim Marshall and Bud Grant.
MP
I moved to MN in '76, the Vikes last appearance at the Superbowl.
It didn't occur to me at the time, but it is looking increasingly as if I may die of old age before they make it back there.
No thanks, shithead.
Man is he short.
According to his imdb page, Belzer is 6'1".
Are you sure you saw who you thought you saw?
Ah, it's so much better when I have ALL OF YOU KILLFILED!
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Here's the Washington Post editorial, Day of Reckoning, I sent the letter on:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/
wp...8091903182.html
Oh, no; Heath Barr is just about to appear.
plantsman | 09.20.08 - 2:40 pm | #
With my new BFF!!!!
Vaseline glass trivia: you can use it for halloween, blacklighted.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26788143/
Chocoholics sour on new Hershey’s formula
Former fans kissed off about replacement of cocoa butter with vegetable oil
Products such as Whatchamacallit, Milk Duds, Mr. Goodbar and Krackel no longer have milk chocolate coatings, and Hershey’s Kissables are now labeled “chocolate candy” instead of “milk chocolate.”
Is failin' Palin a student of the singsong style of elocution?
Ah, it's so much better when I have ALL OF YOU KILLFILED!
Have you ever Killfiled yourself?
Interesting effect...
Frankly, I think he's getting chemo. Really.
dave™©
"He's a man in-between cancer diagnoses"
--the lovely and talented Honey Bear Kelly, on this very blog
Is failin' Palin a student of the singsong style of elocution?
The kindergarten teacher approach is quite smart, considering the mental ages they are playing to.
A Nabisco cookie came out years ago that said it had a "rich brown coating." I did not try them.
A Nabisco cookie came out years ago that said it had a "rich brown coating." I did not try them.
plantsman
ick.
According to his imdb page, Belzer is 6'1".
Are you sure you saw who you thought you saw?
Toonscribe: Obama/Biden 08
I don't doubt that simels could be mistaken; OTOH that is EXACTLY the kind of thing Belzer would do--spoof imdb with the wrong height.
How many of you have cats who like to lay down with their rear legs stretched straight out behind them?
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The kindergarten teacher approach is quite smart, considering the mental ages they are playing to.
And the fact that they just want her to do show and tell anyway.
How many of you have cats who like to lay down with their rear legs stretched straight out behind them?
1 of the 3 we have do that.
How many of you have cats who like to lay down with their rear legs stretched straight out behind them?
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Jeffraham Prestonian
Maggie. And Rosie.
That would be about 2 out of 10.
How many of you have cats who like to lay down with their rear legs stretched straight out behind them?
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Jeffraham Prestonian | Homepage | 09.20.08 - 2:45 pm | #
I like the cats that cross their front paws.
OTOH that is EXACTLY the kind of thing Belzer would do--spoof imdb with the wrong height.
Except that anything I've ever seen him act in, he has been about the tallest person in the cast.
Something happened to the Hominem part of me.
Weird.
"The kindergarten teacher approach is quite smart, considering the mental ages they are playing to."
I've taught kindergarten - it's a lot of work
The high-fivin' cat in the Purina Healthy Life ad is kinda cool.
Except that anything I've ever seen him act in, he has been about the tallest person in the cast.
Toonscribe: Obama/Biden 08
Tom Cruise is short, but you wouldn't know it from his movies.
ttfn
I've taught kindergarten - it's a lot of work
Uncle Blodge, Urban Teacher
Teh adorable, but they can wear you out, I'm sure.
I had one and that was plenty, in terms of my ability to keep up.
Oh fuck you.
You wanta see something.
Hey Death, fuck you. Yeah this is me and I'm calling you out. Death fuck you. You know this is me and you know my address.
Authoriteh sheets
Sheets -- (don't tell the trolls)
Tom Cruise is short, but you wouldn't know it from his movies.
Not maybe how fucking short, but you'd quickly notice that he didn't tower over anyone.
What a game Terrelle Pryor had, 4 touchdown passes. You have to give Tressel credit that he benched his senior Boeckman and gave the ball to Terrelle.
When Beanie comes back look out.
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