I'MMA LET YOU FINISH
frist!
Six more months, of course.
OK, a clean single... I'll take it.
"The message to the Iraqi government could not be more clear."
Right. If they fail to step up, what exactly is it we will be threatening them with?
"The message to the Iraqi government could not be more clear."
what Iraqi government?
I think everybody knows what the consequences are. The president doesn't have a stronger supporter in the Senate than the person you're looking at, but I repeat, this is the last chance for the Iraqis to step up and demonstrate this government can function," he said. "The message to the Iraqi government could not be more clear."
Didn't they just tell us that they were fine and we could go home? Or does he mean step up and make sure they can protect our oil company interests.
"and now?"
...it's still too early to tell.
it would seem to me that a great series of campaign commercials could be made for people running against these goopers...just an endless series of these statements with the dates.
"The message to the Iraqi government could not be more clear."
"I'm sorry I bothered you while you're on vacation."
Now, of course, we have to "wait" for Petreus to give us a his report in September.
what Iraqi government?
Moonbootica, Graduated | Homepage | 07.28.07 - 11:09 am
The one elected under US rules designed to produce a lack of a clear winner and increase the leverage of unpopular US stooges in power brokering.
There are no consequences for McConnell or for Shrub or any of the rest of the sons of bitches. Why pretend?
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Now, of course, we have to "wait" for Petreus to give us a his report in September.
Entitled 'Our Friend the Beaver'.
and now?
Compulsive gamblers: "Just one more roll and I know I'll get back on my streak. Promise!" Listen up, putz. We don't have the money and soldiers for another roll. You mortgaged the whole country six months ago, remember?
The ringleader of the July 7 terror attacks on London left a suicide note for his wife saying they would be reunited in paradise, the Guardian has learned.
Mohammed Siddique Khan left the note for his wife, Hasina Patel, who was arrested in May on suspicion of knowing what her husband had been planning.
She was released without charge after six days in custody and Mrs Patel's lawyers have made an official complaint that police should have known from the note that Khan had not told his wife of his plans.
Police are believed to have recovered the note days after the attack in 2005, but only told Mrs Patel of it in May this year while they were interviewing her at Paddington Green police station.
Mrs Patel yesterday spoke for the first time in an interview, for which Sky television is thought to have paid her a fee thought to be around £15,000.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/
attack...2136524,00.html
I think everybody knows what the consequences are. The president doesn't have a stronger supporter in the Senate than the person you're looking at
That may be true.
Stupit Haloscan:
and now?
When the surge began Baghdad's residents got 4 or 5 hours of electricity per day.
Six months later they get 60 whole minutes.
If that is not success, we'll, my real name isn't Fred Kagan!
I repeat, this is the last chance for the Iraqis to step up and demonstrate this government can function," he said. "The message to the Iraqi government could not be more clear."
'Look, as soon as we get back from vacation we'll get started...honest.'
-The Iraqi Democratically Elected Purple Fingered Government
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I'm grateful that we live in a society where men can openly express their mutual feelings for each other.
Or....
If that is not success, we'll, my real name isn't Fred Kagan!
attaturk | Homepage | 07.28.07 - 11:14 am
jay reding says you are misguided by misinformation and disinformation! the war is going great and iraq is a paradise@!%@(U&(&!!!!!!!
There are no consequences for McConnell or for Shrub or any of the rest of the sons of bitches. Why pretend?
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No need to. About all the Dems can do is run out the clock on the Little Boots tragedy. And hope they can knock off a few of his cretins thru the investigations.
"Now, of course, we have to "wait" for Petreus to give us a his report in September."
and you know what it's going to say. Things are going great, couldn't be better, real signs of progress... and in another FU we'll REALLY know that it's working.
And now is the part in this giant farce where Mitch McConnell puts on a black body stocking and dances.
And now?
And now?
And now?
It's all we can do...but we'll be asking that question until January 2009.
Blame the Iraqi puppet govt that we set up instead of our own misguided war efforts. The final GOP meme for Iraq will to be blame the Iraqis and then get half of our troops out of there, and leave the rest to guard our "interests."
The Iraqis don't wanna give away 80% of their oil to foreign companies. Can't imagine why.
Blame the Iraqi puppet govt that we set up instead of our own misguided war efforts. The final GOP meme for Iraq will to be blame the Democrat Party and then get half of our troops out of there, and leave the rest to guard our "interests."
ann | 07.28.07 - 11:17 am | #
fyt
i'm out, batz. enjoy your saturday.
Why don't countries like Iraq and Iran hire PR firms to state their positions in the US media - Full page Sunday NY Times ads, etc.
And now is the part in this giant farce where Mitch McConnell puts on a black body stocking and dances.
Matt P.
Schprockets.
The Iraqis don't wanna give away 80% of their oil to foreign companies. Can't imagine why.
Lime Rickey | 07.28.07 - 11:17 am
You've obviously been brainwashed by Hugo Chavez.
Long live the Dictatorship of the Petrol-tariat!
Fun Factoid (Re-posted bt me)
As we hover around $600 billion for the Iraq fiasco and no end in sight recall the cost of the successful 'Gulf War'.
Total financial cost to the US (after allies contributed) of about $11 billion dollars ($7 billion x 1.5 CPI from 1992 to 2007).
And not a dollar being counted toward the deficit. This alone seems grounds for impeachment.
http://people.psych.cornell.edu/
...W_payments.html
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not forgetting that oil unions are not recognized in Iraq and declining rights for women.
Well he's lying.
Ignore him.
I was googling Condi's tenure at Stanford.
She was pretty much hated there too.
*Oil Workers Unions
not forgetting that oil unions are not recognized in Iraq and declining rights for women.
And slave labor being used to build our McEmbassy™.
American officials paid a visit to Ankara this week as part of a DoD investigation into reports that US-supplied weapons have ended up in the hands of the PKK. Turkish media is also reporting that Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan plans to travel to the United States to meet with President Bush for talks on bilateral issues, including the PKK problem.
General Counsel of the US Department of Defense, William J. Haynes, led a seven-member American delegation to Ankara for a day of meetings on Wednesday, during which they held closed-door talks with officials from the General Staff, the Foreign Ministry, the Security Directorate and the National Intelligence Organization (MİT).
http://www.iraqslogger.com/
index...alk_PKK_Weapons
SUNDAY NEWS SHOWS LINEUP FOR TOMORROW:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070...o_ot/
news_shows
AO -
I would love to know how much of that $600 billions has been embezzled by Little Boots' buds.
Why don't countries like Iraq and Iran hire PR firms to state their positions in the US media - Full page Sunday NY Times ads, etc.
Gilly Gonzylon | 07.28.07 - 11:19 am
US government sanctions against US companies doing business with the axis of evil and their benchwarmers?
Picking on the Iraqi government for taking vacation seems stupid in light of the fact that our Congress takes at least a month off each summer, and Shrub is on track, if he hasn't already, to break Raygun's impressive vacation record (see, 8/06/01 PDB).
Honestly, why should the Iraqis play Bush's benchmark game? Why sit in 135 degree heat just to pass the bill giving away their oil to American companies? Bush set them up to be ineffective. Why should they perform his kabuki?
So that Slaughter piece, looks like it's not allowing comments?
The Iraqis don't wanna give away 80% of their oil to foreign companies. Can't imagine why.
Lime Rickey
I still don't understand WHY U.S. oil companies could not have purchased Iraqi oil on the open market. Iraq IS an OPEC nation.
Couldn't or wouldn't?
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moonboots-
must of have been those US weapons shipments that got "stolen" that ended up with the PKK. *wink wink*
Theory about why GOPers are afraid of a youtube debate...
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/arc...m/archives/
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* Shameless elitism -- Steve M. argued that the GOP wants to avoid the riff-raff. "The questioners in the Democratic YouTube debate were sometimes a bit insolent and not always properly groomed. A true modern Republican leader can't tolerate being sassed at by a person like that; it would be like the Generalissimo of a banana republic allowing a peasant to mock his epaulets and riding crop. Giuliani and Romney, in particular, are trying to project an aura of contempt for the scum who disagree with them."
In scenes that may no longer be dismissed as far-fetched, a new film is to chart what would happen if the Thames Barrier was overwhelmed.
The movie, based on a book by Richard Doyle, imagines how London would look if it was deluged by a surge of water.
Flood, which features Robert Carlyle, was shot over 11 weeks last year.
The author has said he believes there is a real threat to the capital. He has called for the government to take "its head out of the sand".
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/69.../uk/
6920284.stm
"Fox News Sunday" — Sen. Russ Feingold, D-Wis.; former House Speaker Newt Gingrich; former Baltimore Orioles shortstop Cal Ripken Jr.
Ummm, eh?
I eagerly await tomorrow morning, when I can flip on the TV to Press The Meat and watch Tim Russert use this very quote to illustrate how the neocon's predictions on Iraq have been almost all horribly wrong.
Moon, how high is that barrier? And I see elevation levels for London that are all over the map. But isn't there tidal on the Thames, right up to the falls?
Fox News Sunday" — Sen. Russ Feingold, D-Wis.; former House Speaker Newt Gingrich
Rove's operatives at FOX are meeting right now to formulate some of the most "loaded" questions imaginable for Feingold.
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"Fox News Sunday" — Sen. Russ Feingold, D-Wis.; former House Speaker Newt Gingrich;
Run, Newt. The nation needs you.
Moon, how high is that barrier? And I see elevation levels for London that are all over the map. But isn't there tidal on the Thames, right up to the falls?
Moe Szyslak, hating coal | Homepage | 07.28.07 - 11:26 am | #
The four large central gates are 61 metres long, 10.5 metres high (above local ground level) and weigh 1,500 tonnes; the outer two gates are 31.5 metres. Additionally, four radial gates by the riverbanks can be lowered.
tidal *flow*
McConnel's a miscretin
Pollack's a punk
Howie Kurtz farted and
Hiatt really stunk
Sullivan's never stopped
apologizin' for sumpthin
Turn's out Broder was ridin' a pumpkin
The lawyer of an Algerian man held in Guantanamo Bay has said his client faces persecution if he is returned home and at least two dozen Guantanamo detainees have expressed similar fears.
But a US federal judge on Friday rejected an emergency motion to prevent Ahmed Bel Bacha, the Algerian detainee, from being repatriated.
Lawyers filed the motion because they believe the US will soon repatriate Bel Bacha and six other Algerians.
Zachary Katznelson, a lawyer for Bel Bacha, said he feared the Algerian government would mistreat his client because he had been "unjustly branded" a "terrorist".
http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/
...B7F37F482A0.htm
I'm sure somebody already posted this gem from TPM, but it needs repeating -
There is no "good news" from Iraq. All of the whooping and hollering about the big bad MSM ignoring the "good news from Iraq" is total and complete bullshit:
The United States often promotes the number of rebuilding projects, like power plants and hospitals, that have been completed in Iraq, citing them as signs of progress in a nation otherwise fraught with violence and political stalemate. But closer examination by the inspector general’s office, headed by Stuart W. Bowen Jr., has found that a number of individual projects are crumbling, abandoned or otherwise inoperative only months after the United States declared that they had been successfully completed.
NBC's "Meet the Press" — Dan Balz and Eugene Robinson of The Washington Post, Andrea Mitchell and Chuck Todd of NBC News, Ron Brownstein of The Los Angeles Times and John Harwood of CNBC.
Um... were they considering having a guest who's not a pundit, or something?
Talk about meta.
Howard Kurtz will be pissed he didn't get an invite.
What Part of "Get Out of Iraq NOW!" Can't Our "Leaders" Understand?
Well, I don't have any understanding of the hydrology of London at all. But certainly increased flooding seems likely.
former Baltimore Orioles shortstop Cal Ripken Jr.
To talk about Barry Bonds?
I'm beginning to think they've changed the game to cricket. Which is interminably long, which no American understands, and which therefore never really has to end, until they say it does.
So we can be perpetually "very late in the game" without the metaphor meaning anything.
"All of the whooping and hollering about the big bad MSM ignoring the "good news from Iraq" is total and complete bullshit:"
Well I'm shocked.
The Thames Barrier is a flood control structure on the River Thames, constructed between 1974 and 1984 at Woolwich Reach, London. It is the world's second largest movable flood barrier (the largest is the Oosterscheldekering in The Netherlands).
Built across a 523 metre wide stretch of the river, the barrier divides the river into six navigable and four smaller non-navigable channels between nine large concrete piers. The flood gates across the openings are radial, i.e., half-cylindrical, and they operate by rotating, raised by hydraulics out of a horizontal sill below the water to form the barrier. They can rotate further to allow "underspill" for maintenance. All the gates are made of steel.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tha.../
Thames_Barrier
Nocturnally Yours | 07.28.07 - 11:27 am | #
Well done!
"What Part of "Get Out of Iraq NOW!" Can't Our "Leaders" Understand?"
"Get Out" and "NOW!"
Insane - aren't like 40% of the insurgents from Saudi?
Congress will be asked by the Bush Administration to approve $20 billion in advanced weapons and planes for Saudi Arabia, at the same time that Israel, along with Congress, are nervous about Saudi Arabia's role in the war effort, the New York Times will report Saturday.
they all rush down to the beltway ball
where Lieberman has a giggle
to Hassert's hog call
Um... were they considering having a guest who's not a pundit, or something?
Talk about meta.
Howard Kurtz will be pissed he didn't get an invite.
SteveLG |
I think they ought to have a version of Meet The Press that only has the children of the pundits.
"MEET THE PRESS KIDZ" Tim Russert Jr. presents the future gasbags of America!
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London is quite vulnerable to flooding. A storm surge generated by low pressure in the Atlantic Ocean sometimes tracks westwards past the north of Scotland and may then be driven into the shallow waters of the North Sea. The storm surge is funnelled down the North Sea which narrows towards the English Channel and the Thames Estuary. If the storm surge coincides with a spring tide then dangerously high water levels can occur in the Thames Estuary.
According to Gilbert & Horner on 7th December 1663 Samuel Pepys recorded in his diary 'There was last night the greatest tide that ever was remembered in England to have been in this river all Whitehall having been drowned'. In 1236 the river is reported as overflowing 'and in the great Palace of Westminster men did row with wherries in the midst of the hall'. (Gilbert & Horner - 1984). Fourteen people died in the 1928 Thames flood, and after 307 people died in the UK in the North Sea Flood of 1953 the issue gained new prominence.
The threat has increased over time due to the slow but continuous rise in high water level over the centuries (20 cm / 100 years) and the slow "tilting" of Britain (up in the North and down in the South) caused by post-glacial rebound.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tha.../
Thames_Barrier
To talk about Barry Bonds?
I guess. But I like the lack of segue from Feingold and Gingrich to Cal Ripken, JR.
Of course, I working under the presumption that these shows actually have value to our national discourse.
I still don't understand WHY U.S. oil companies could not have purchased Iraqi oil on the open market.
I once calculated that the cost of the Iraqi war will near the cost of purchasing the predicted remaining US reserves of oil on the open market.
There is about 1.67 trillion dollars worth of oil left to be extracted in the United States at today's prices.
the congratulate each other
for attending the function
and peek-a-boo around
for those weapons of mass destruction
Of course, I working under the presumption that these shows actually have value to our national discourse.
Well stop.
former Baltimore Orioles shortstop Cal Ripken Jr.
To talk about Barry Bonds?
Snow, Contrary | Homepage | 07.28.07 - 11:28 am
should have brought on former Fox Sports baseball guy Keith Olberman. 
How about Sonny Stocks ?
NBC's "Meet the Press" — Dan Balz and Eugene Robinson of The Washington Post, Andrea Mitchell and Chuck Todd of NBC News, Ron Brownstein of The Los Angeles Times and John Harwood of CNBC.
Jeebus, it's like the Eulogist line-up at Broder's overdue funeral.
former Baltimore Orioles shortstop Cal Ripken Jr.
To talk about Barry Bonds?
Snow, Contrary
More likely the swell new "3 for 1" deal from Comcast.
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Mitch McConnell:
The message to the Iraqi government could not be more clear.
Atrios:
and now?
This now, Atrios.
Aide: Iraq PM relations with Petraeus poor
By Steven R. Hurst and Qassim Abdul-Zahra - The Associated Press
Posted : Friday Jul 27, 2007 12:11:36 EDT
BAGHDAD — A key aide says Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki’s relations with U.S. commander Gen. David Petraeus are so poor the Iraqi leader may ask Washington the withdraw the well-regarded U.S. military leader from duty here.
The Iraqi foreign minister calls the relationship “difficult.”
[via TP]
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That's pretty interesting. So the flood waters come from the sea, not from upriver, right?
NBC's "Meet the Press" — Dan Balz and Eugene Robinson of The Washington Post, Andrea Mitchell and Chuck Todd of NBC News, Ron Brownstein of The Los Angeles Times and John Harwood of CNBC.
The "cleavage" debate.
More likely the swell new "3 for 1" deal from Comcast.
Next up: Johnny Bench. "No runs, no drips, or errors!"
I once calculated that the cost of the Iraqi war will near the cost of purchasing the predicted remaining US reserves of oil on the open market.
The beauty of the Iraq War, at least if the Iraqis pass the oil law, is that the oil companies get all that lovely oil while U.S. taxpayers (and our descendants) foot the bill. If they extracted the U.S. oil reserves, they'd have to put up their own cash and that would impact profits.
it's determined they attacked
to try and avoid a fight
Smirker Chimp's earplug is connected to his pocket full of kryptonite
Mitch McConnell is a bottom-feeding prostitute who nibbles on any warm buttock that will squeeze out a nickel of shit into his purty lips.
former Baltimore Orioles shortstop Cal Ripken Jr.
Republicans want to be in the aura of that concept they are unfamiliar with.
A SON that outperforms his own father.
The Iraqi Government does not exist to do Mitch McConnell's bidding,
That's pretty interesting. So the flood waters come from the sea, not from upriver, right?
Moe Szyslak, hating coal | Homepage | 07.28.07 - 11:34 am | #
I guess so
A Thames Barrier flood defence closure is triggered when a combination of high tides forecast in the North Sea and high river flows at the tidal limit at Teddington indicate that water levels would exceed 4.87m in central London. Forecast sea levels at the mouth of the Thames Estuary are generated by Met Office computers and also by models run on the Thames Barrier's own forecasting and telemetry computer. About 9 hours before the high tide reaches the barrier a flood defence closure begins with messages to stop river traffic, close subsidiary gates and alert other river users. As well as the Thames Barrier, the smaller gates along the Thames Tideway include Barking Barrier, King George V Lock gate, Dartford Barrier and gates at Tilbury Docks and Canvey Island. Once river navigation has been stopped and all subsidiary gates closed, then the Thames Barrier itself can be closed. The smaller gates are closed first, then the main navigable spans in succession. The gates remain closed until the tide downstream of the barrier falls to the same level as the water level upstream.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tha.../
Thames_Barrier
If they extracted the U.S. oil reserves, they'd have to put up their own cash and that would impact profits.
sister of ye | 07.28.07 - 11:35 am
minus the us taxpayer cash the US government spends on building roads and other infrastructure to make mineral prospecting on government lands possible.
I still don't understand WHY U.S. oil companies could not have purchased Iraqi oil on the open market.
Uh, they were, even in March of 2003.
The stated objective of eleven members of the Bush administration (including Cheney), going back years before 9/11, was that the US had to control the flow of oil in order to gain leverage against the OPEC cartel.
It's not access to oil they want, it's control of the market.
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Well, then, London's screwed. But so is most every other large city, so they'll be in good company.
We're going to see a lot of New Orleanses in coming decades.
This is the last chance for the Iraqis to step up and demonstrate this government can function," he said. "The message to the Iraqi government could not be more clear."
From David Ansen's review of "No End in Sight":
One of the most eloquent is Col. Paul Hughes, who watched as Bremer carried out what the film posits as the most fatal of all the bad decisions: disbanding the Iraqi Army, which sent tens of thousands of unemployed, humiliated men into the arms of the insurgency."
Mitch McConnell et. al. can go fuck themselves.
When does Cal get inducted into Cooperstown, today or tomorrow?
BREAKING!:
Lindsay Lohan: Twice-busted no-talent skank in dreadful new movie while publicists will not release location of her latest "rehabilitation."
The Iraqi Government does not exist....
plantsman, arreligious
Fxd yr typo, etc.
What Part of "Get Out of Iraq NOW!" Can't Our "Leaders" Understand?
dave™©
The part where we get to keep all their oil.
Republicans want to be in the aura of that concept they are unfamiliar with.
A SON that outperforms his own father.
Tou're looking at it from the wrong end. Bush pere was a conscienceless bastard who fostered war in other countries to the detriment of the U.S. and the world while lining his pockets and escaping Congressional justice.
Bush fils has taken the old man's agenda and run with it to unexpected lengths. He truly perfected fucking up the world for fun and profit.
Lindsay Lohan: Twice-busted no-talent skank in dreadful new movie while publicists will not release location of her latest "rehabilitation."
plantsman
Insert Dick Cheney joke here.
BREAKING!:
Lindsay Lohan: Twice-busted no-talent skank in dreadful new movie while publicists will not release location of her latest "rehabilitation."
plantsman, arreligious
Does that mean that she is now officially a Missing White Woman?
Uh, they were, even in March of 2003.
The stated objective of eleven members of the Bush administration (including Cheney), going back years before 9/11, was that the US had to control the flow of oil in order to gain leverage against the OPEC cartel.
It's not access to oil they want, it's control of the market.
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Grand Moff Texan | 07.28.07 - 11:36 am
But back then the oil out of Basra was metered. And now?
From the same link:
Al-Maliki, a Shiite who spent years in exile under Saddam Hussein, hotly objects to U.S. tactic of recruiting men with ties to the Sunni insurgency into the ongoing fight against al-Qaida.
[snip]
“He told Bush that if Petraeus continues doing that he would arm Shiite Militias. Bush told al-Maliki to calm down,” according to the lawmaker who said he was told of the exchange by al-Maliki.
The lawmaker said al-Maliki once told Petraeus: “I can’t deal with you any more. I will ask for someone else to replace you.”
In an angry outburst earlier this month, al-Maliki said American forces should leave and turn over security to Iraqi troops. He quickly backpedaled, but the damage was done.
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When does Cal get inducted into Cooperstown, today or tomorrow?
IIRC, they usually do the ceremony on a Sunday.
I totally forgot that he was going in. When's Nolan Ryan's turn?
"I still don't understand WHY U.S. oil companies could not have purchased Iraqi oil on the open market."
Just my opinion, but:
they're not about to do that because free markets are something trotted out for the sucker sheeple to swallow when needed. the reality is they wanted the Iraqi oil at a price of their choosing, so that the profit goes not to the people of Iraq, as it would have had the oil been sold on the open market. instead this profit would go into the pockets of the oil companies.
http://www.amazon.com/Prize-Epic...r/dp/
0671799320
Daniel Yergin wrote a thing called "The Prize". In it he talked about the ways in which oil companies initially made deals with countries for their oil. The attempt to grab Iraqi oil has a lot of prescient in history. Too bad there is not an Iraqi elite that can be bought off to put a local face on the looting.
Exciting news coming from Iraq! Now we will repeat the non-news stories we have been repeating all morning. Did you know Aquafina is tap water? So is Dasani.
- CNN
But back then the oil out of Basra was metered. And now?
Tom
I'm not sure I understand your question.
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WHERE IS MY AVATAR???
/Cary Grant
IIRC, they usually do the ceremony on a Sunday.
That's what I thought. So, he won't be in studio.
A woman wrote into our paper today that dead soldiers whose coffins pass through the Portland Airport would be upset by "anti-war Art" on display in the airport. But lady, they're dead...
The attempt to grab Iraqi oil has a lot of precedent in history.
Felched yeti Torquemada.
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good Morning Moonbats. happy weekend to you!
The lawmaker said al-Maliki once told Petraeus: “I can’t deal with you any more. I will ask for someone else to replace you.”
Oscar the Cat to the white courtesy phone... paging Oscar the Cat, please.
Gordon Brown is unlikely to call a snap general election this autumn because Labour is still deeply in the red and fears it could be outspent by the Conservatives.
Speculation that the Prime Minister will soon seek his own mandate from the voters has been fuelled by a series of opinion polls since he took over from Tony Blair giving Labour a clear lead over the Tories.
A YouGov survey for yesterday's Daily Telegraph gave Labour a nine-point advantage, enough to double its Commons majority of 69.
Labour sources insisted that the state of the party's finances would not prevent an election this October if Mr Brown wanted to cash in on a continuing poll lead.
But one senior figure admitted: "Finance is not the crucial factor, but is an important one. We would be in a stronger position next year."
http://news.independent.co.uk/
uk...icle2811657.ece
Exciting news coming from Iraq! Now we will repeat the non-news stories we have been repeating all morning. Did you know Aquafina is tap water? So is Dasani
Suckers!
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I eagerly await tomorrow morning, when I can flip on the TV to Press The Meat and watch Tim Russert use this very quote to illustrate how the neocon's predictions on Iraq have been almost all horribly wrong.
Randolph Carter
I'm also expecting that my unicorn will be delivered tomorrow.
I'm also expecting that my unicorn will be delivered tomorrow.
V for Virginia
The Germans had a phrase for the good Hausfrau, Kinder, Küche, Kirche. Mitch McConnell is a good republican Hausfrau, KKK, Cuckoo, Crooked.
A woman wrote into our paper today that dead soldiers whose coffins pass through the Portland Airport would be upset by "anti-war Art"
She's channeling them? In touch through her Quija board? Holding seances?
"The lawmaker said al-Maliki once told Petraeus: “I can’t deal with you any more. I will ask for someone else to replace you.”"
this is good news for the republicans, a clear sign that the surge is working.
I know I'm going to hear this from a talking head (if they ever bring it up) so i thought I'd beat them to it.
Did you know Aquafina is tap water? So is Dasani.
Next you'll be telling me coors isn't made from virgin rocky mountain snow either.
The lawmaker said al-Maliki once told Petraeus: “I can’t deal with you any more. I will ask for someone else to replace you.”
al-Maliki is apparently under the mis-impression that he is in charge of Iraq.
"She's channeling them? In touch through her Quija board? Holding seances?"
I see dead people.
"The lawmaker said al-Maliki once told Petraeus: “I can’t deal with you any more. I will ask for someone else to replace you.”"
this is good news for the republicans, a clear sign that the surge is working.
One wonders if Petraeus isn't fantasizing he'll get a 'fifth star' out of this?
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There's this old radio play from the 1920s called "Bury the dead." It's a great anti-war play, the basic gist of which is that the soldiers killed in war refuse to be buried, and walk around pointing out that they're, ya know, dead.
A woman wrote into our paper today that dead soldiers whose coffins pass through the Portland Airport would be upset by "anti-war Art"
This woman might want to consider that, if the anti-war movement had succeeded, that these people wouldn't be dead right now.
The United States and India have completed negotiations on a nuclear deal that both countries describe as a "historic milestone".
The contract will allow India to reprocess US-supplied nuclear fuel.
It ends three decades of US sanctions and will ensure continued fuel supplies to India even if it tests another nuclear weapon.
The deal, announced on Friday and still to be approved by US congress, will not require India to sign up to the nuclear nonproliferation treaty.
India will not have to give up its right to make a nuclear bomb, in a move seen as revealing US double standards in light of its moves against Iran.
http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/
...270FF8958F9.htm
But back then the oil out of Basra was metered. And now?
Tom
I'm not sure I understand your question.
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Grand Moff Texan | 07.28.07 - 11:40 am
If you want to control the market, having a huge slush fund is always a good thing.
The oil at Basra was metered under UN oil-for-food which limited Saddam's slush fund to the level of smuggling that the US found acceptable.
Having the oil at Basra now going unmetered means that the powers that be have access to a huge slush fund, both in terms of off the books cash and off the books barrels of oil to add or remove from supply in localities as necessary.
Brooklyn Girl, caffeinated
This from two threads below, where I was happily chatting to myself when I came up for air from the Brilliant Paper Reading Torture:
And we're supposed to tell you that steve simels is in love with you.
Molly Ivors
Damn, I was gonna make it way more salacious and scandalous than that!
V for Virginia
One wonders if Petraeus isn't fantasizing he'll get a 'fifth star' out of this?
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Agent Orange
Or at least a syndicated national conservative talk show.
She's channeling them? In touch through her Quija board? Holding seances?
I guessed "projecting her own opinions onto human remains."
the reality is they wanted the Iraqi oil at a price of their choosing, so that the profit goes not to the people of Iraq, as it would have had the oil been sold on the open market. instead this profit would go into the pockets of the oil companies.
I may be beyond my depth here, but my understanding is that the particular attractiveness of Iraqi oil is that it's cheap to get (so many circumstances having prevented it from being extracted over the last several decades), an extremely important factor in this age of Peak Oil.
So I'm thinking they don't want to simply pay OPEC prices for the stuff because they wouldn't be capturing these extra profits, which would go to those controlling the extraction.
That's as much talking out my ass as I'm going to do, however... I'm sure someone can and will amplify and/or correct me.
The Oosterscheldekering (Eastern Scheldt storm surge barrier)
A woman wrote into our paper today that dead soldiers whose coffins pass through the Portland Airport would be upset by "anti-war Art"
Too bad the troops weren't pulled out a year ago - we could have asked those soldiers themselves what they think of 'ant-war art'.
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"US double standards"
???????????
Once again, I am shocked.
Next you'll be telling me coors isn't made from virgin rocky mountain snow either.
Falstaff
"BearWhiz Beer. Like my dad used to say: Son -- it's in the water!"
Great LTE in the Strib today:
Congress has pulled another disgraceful act. It is taking a recess!
Our troops, our mercenaries and countless innocent Iraqis are killed and maimed every day. The American people, the Iraqis and almost everyone in the world save George W. Bush and his minions want this war to end. Now!
Congress takes a recess? The Republican leadership is basking in the fact that they have blocked any move to end this war.
I think the members of Congress should get back to Washington and solve the real problems and stop playing games with us.
Recess indeed!
BILL SOREM, MINNETONKA
The contract will allow India to reprocess US-supplied nuclear fuel.
That should help Musharraf with his current problems.
Moonbootica,
Are you above the floodwaters?
My question has always been if the water comes upriver from the sea and hits the Thames barrier, doesn't it just then spread out over the land downstream? Where does that great surge go?
Having the oil at Basra now going unmetered means that the powers that be have access to a huge slush fund, both in terms of off the books cash and off the books barrels of oil to add or remove from supply in localities as necessary.
Tom
I see, and thank you for your explanation. Yes, having ready cash right now is a good thing, but that wasn't the stated objective of the PNAC, eleven members of which were in the Bush administration at the time of the invasion, so I don't see how this is supposed to be anything more than exploitable chaos.
That said, isn't overall production down?
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One wonders if Petraeus isn't fantasizing he'll get a 'fifth star' out of this?
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Agent Orange
BTW, has the War Czar shown up for work yet, or is that harebrained idea not a keeper?
There really are artesian springs in Olympia, WA; but now Miller owns the brewery.
That's as much talking out my ass as I'm going to do, however... I'm sure someone can and will amplify and/or correct me.
SteveLG
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this is not just about oil under Iraqi soil as our current petrol pump prices and the profits of the global barrons show.
it was certainly about the unrest in the ME and that the Saudi complicity is getting pass after pass on this is evil beyond belief.
This woman might want to consider that, if the anti-war movement had succeeded, that these people wouldn't be dead right now.
God wanted them dead because of teh ghey so they would be still be dead.
- Westboro Baptist Church
Consortium News has a must-read:
Dangers of a Cornered George Bush
Cowritten by the shrink that wrote "Bush on the Couch".
Excerpts:
George W. Bush is without conscience, and it would require a lengthy series of clinical sessions to find out what happened to it. By identifying himself as all good and on the side of right, he has been able to vanquish any guilt, any sense of doing wrong.
and
George W. Bush seems also to be without shame. He expresses no regret or embarrassment about his failure to help Katrina victims, or to tell the truth. He says whatever he thinks people want to hear, whether it be “stay the course” or “I’ve never been about ‘stay the course.’” He does whatever he wants.
Fascinating reading.
http://www.consortiumnews.com/20...07/
072707a.html
Moonbootica,
Are you above the floodwaters?
My question has always been if the water comes upriver from the sea and hits the Thames barrier, doesn't it just then spread out over the land downstream? Where does that great surge go?
therealhellkitty | 07.28.07 - 11:48 am | #
well my hometown of Devies is on a hill heh we are 400 ft above sea level.
Congress takes a recess? The Republican leadership is basking in the fact that they have blocked any move to end this war.
They gotta "listen" to their constituents.
*Devizes is 400 ft above sea level
we have no rivers in the area either.
Congress goes on holiday in August, just like those cheese-eating surrender-monkey French people!
My question has always been if the water comes upriver from the sea and hits the Thames barrier, doesn't it just then spread out over the land downstream? Where does that great surge go?
therealhellkitty
The water doesn't pile up. The volume held back from going past the barrier is essentially zero measured over the total volume of the sea. The levels below the barrier are not affected.
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*Devizes is 400 ft above sea level
Run Moonbootica, Run! There is no hope except living on some god forsaken sheep shitted peak in Scotland.
GWPDA said she was gonna dig up a mesquite tree?
My question has always been if the water comes upriver from the sea and hits the Thames barrier, doesn't it just then spread out over the land downstream? Where does that great surge go?
therealhellkitty
That's the problem with all flood barriers-- the water's gotta go somewhere. Everyone protects their bit of riverfront, building higher and higher dikes, and so the water simply goes higher and higher, until it doesn't. Dikes make flooding much worse.
I may be beyond my depth here, but my understanding is that the particular attractiveness of Iraqi oil is that it's cheap to get (so many circumstances having prevented it from being extracted over the last several decades), an extremely important factor in this age of Peak Oil.
And easily refinable, unlike Venezuela's oil.
So I'm thinking they don't want to simply pay OPEC prices for the stuff because they wouldn't be capturing these extra profits, which would go to those controlling the extraction.
The invasion is a decision of the political class of this country, a generation of which grew up envying the level of wealth of petroelites from other countries and smarting from the deposition of the Shah.
Both the invasion and neocon domestic policy, which sees the little people consuming things that should go to their betters, can be seen as stemming from the need of an elite to have the right lifestyle, from envy, resentment, and greed. Indeed, neocon domestic policy is a lot like Nixon's take on Africa: keep 'em down so they don't consume the resources we'll need in the future.
Neo-conservatism is essentially Cold War methods for the management of the little brown people being aimed at the American people.
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well my hometown of Devies is on a hill heh we are 400 ft above sea level.
Moonbootica, Graduated | Homepage | 07.28.07 - 11:50 am | #
that's good. I was wondering how you were faring as I was reading the news this week.
There's this old radio play from the 1920s called "Bury the dead." It's a great anti-war play, the basic gist of which is that the soldiers killed in war refuse to be buried, and walk around pointing out that they're, ya know, dead.
Moe
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heh
worth unburying, that
There is no hope except living on some god forsaken sheep shitted peak in Scotland.
Did someone move Scotland south?
Caen Hill Flight of Locks (to show we're on a hill)
Caen Hill Locks are a flight of locks on the Kennet and Avon Canal, at Devizes, Wiltshire England.
The main flight of 16 locks forms part of a longer series of 29 locks. The total rise is 237 feet in just 2 miles (72 m in 3.2 km) or a 1 in 30 gradient, making Caen Hill the steepest flight of locks in the world. The locks come in three groups: seven at Foxhangers, sixteen at Caen Hill and six at the town end of the flight.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/
Cae...Caen_Hill_Locks
"They gotta "listen" to their constituents."
right. politicians do that. ha.
2006, and my state rep is the speaker of the pennsylvania version of the house. one of his offices is 1/2 a block away from me. He comes into the local market "campaigning" and zips through like he had to go take a wicked shit and was feeling it start to lock and load.
"howyadoinhowyadoinhowyadoin" and he was gone. who the fuck was that says I. Ah well - he got reelected but the 'pugs got whupped so he's not the speaker anymore. so sad.
The water doesn't pile up. The volume held back from going past the barrier is essentially zero measured over the total volume of the sea.
What? You mean water is affected by gravity? There goes my perpetual motion uphill water amusement park behind the tastee freeze.
Wiltshire is a mostly rural landscape and about two thirds of the county lies on chalk, giving it a high chalk downland landscape. This chalk is part of the Southern England Chalk Formation that underlies large areas of Southern England from the Dorset Downs in the west to Dover in the east. The largest area of chalk in Wiltshire is Salisbury Plain, a vast expanse of semi-wilderness used mainly for arable agriculture and by the British Army as training ranges. The highest point of the county is Milk Hill in the Pewsey Vale on the edge of Salisbury Plain, at 295 m/968 ft.
As well as Salisbury Plain the chalk runs north east into Berkshire in the Marlborough Downs ridge, and south-west into Dorset as Cranborne Chase. Cranborne Chase, which straddles the border, has, like Salisbury Plain, yielded much Stone Age and Bronze Age archaeology. The Marlborough Downs are part of the North Wessex Downs AONB (Area of Outstanding Natural Beauty), a 1,730 km² (668 square mile) conservation area.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/
Wil...ape_and_ecology
The water doesn't pile up. The volume held back from going past the barrier is essentially zero measured over the total volume of the sea.
I'm not sure that's exactly right. The storm surge obviously isn't zeroed out, that's what makes it a surge.
Neo-conservatism is essentially Civil War methods for the management of the little brown people being aimed at the American people.
Fricked your teapot
re: Bush shame/conscience -- this was in the Orlando Slantinel last week or so:
"Most incompetent people in the world do not know they are incompetent" . . . "People who do things badly . . . are usually supremely confident of their abilities -- more confident, in fact, than people who do things well." . . . "Not only do they reach erroneous conclusions and make unfortunate choices, but their incompetence robs them of the ability to realize it."
Study by Dr. David A. Dunning, Cornell
I can't remember exactly, but iirc, the surge in New Orleans was something like 12 feet-- that is, the part of the gulf near New Orleans was 12 feet higher than gulf waters a couple hundred miles south.
I see, and thank you for your explanation. Yes, having ready cash right now is a good thing, but that wasn't the stated objective of the PNAC, eleven members of which were in the Bush administration at the time of the invasion, so I don't see how this is supposed to be anything more than exploitable chaos.
That said, isn't overall production down?
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Grand Moff Texan | 07.28.07 - 11:49 am
One of the goals was to break the hold of OPEC on oil. Go reread the Heritage Foundation pre-war papers on post-Saddam Iraq.
But if you really want to control the market, you want an off the books supply of oil that you can take off the books for certain markets (say disappear from China possibly buying) or can dump in markets at times of pressure (when Chavez or other OPEC members rattle their oil swords)
the eventual goal for the Busheviks is like Shell's recent quarterly profits: Production is down 2%, profits are up 18%.
I bet the house prices will go through the roof in Devizes, due to a lack of flooding.
the town is on the edge of the chalk downs, and when it does rain it soaks down into the chalk, its a great container of water, its where we get our water via chalk aquifers
please tell me that the Homer Simpson scratched into the chalk hills was a computer generated hoax. I hate to think that it is not. If it is real, will the British authorities be prosecuting anyone for vandalism?
The Thames in London and eastward is very low-lying, is it not? Even The Columbia and Willamette Rivers here at their confluence are affected by tides.
""People who do things badly . . . are usually supremely confident of their abilities -- more confident, in fact, than people who do things well.""
and that confidence is seen by the sheeple as being firm resolute and all that. feedback loop and we get idjitz in charge.
I'm not sure that's exactly right. The storm surge obviously isn't zeroed out, that's what makes it a surge.
Moe Szyslak, hating coal
Fair enough but take the calculated volume that wasn't flooded above the barrier over the total excess surge volume, and I'm gonna bet it's a pretty small number.
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"please tell me that the Homer Simpson scratched into the chalk hills was a computer generated hoax."
I believe I heard it was painted.
In the north west of the county, on the border with Gloucestershire and Bath and North East Somerset, the underlying rock is the resistant oolite limestone of the Cotswolds. Part of the Cotswolds AONB is also in Wiltshire.
Between the areas of chalk and limestone downland are clay valleys and vales. The largest of these vales is the Avon Vale. The Avon cuts diagonally through the north of the county, flowing through Bradford on Avon and into Bath and Bristol. The Vale of Pewsey has been cut through the chalk into Greensand and Oxford Clay in the centre of the county. In the south west of the county is the Vale of Wardour. The south east of the county lies on the sandy soils of the New Forest.
Chalk is a porous rock so the chalk hills have little surface water. The main settlements in the county are therefore situated at wet points. Notably, Salisbury is situated between the chalk of Salisbury Plain and marshy flood plains.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/
Wil...ape_and_ecology
"Most incompetent people in the world do not know they are incompetent" . . . "People who do things badly . . . are usually supremely confident of their abilities -- more confident, in fact, than people who do things well." . . . "Not only do they reach erroneous conclusions and make unfortunate choices, but their incompetence robs them of the ability to realize it."
Study by Dr. David A. Dunning, Cornell
See, this is why large areas of positive psychology are a crock. Not all of it. But a little scepticism, a little knowledge of the Greeks does help.
The pagans with the "fertility figure with a woody" next to Homer were very upset.
please tell me that the Homer Simpson scratched into the chalk hills was a computer generated hoax. I hate to think that it is not. If it is real, will the British authorities be prosecuting anyone for vandalism?
No joke.
See, this is why large areas of positive psychology are a crock. Not all of it. But a little scepticism, a little knowledge of the Greeks does help.
spinoza
I don't follow -- 'splain me?
I believe I heard it was painted.
Uncle Blodge, Urban Teacher | 07.28.07 - 11:59 am | #
that's a relief.
Man, some well-stated, extremely depressing truths in these comments today.
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I'm also expecting that my unicorn will be delivered tomorrow.
V for Virginia | 07.28.07 - 11:41 am | #
Mine is late and I don't know why
Fair enough but take the calculated volume that wasn't flooded above the barrier over the total excess surge volume, and I'm gonna bet it's a pretty small number.
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Agent Orange
I dunno. Depends on the storm, I'd guess. There's a lot of water out there in the North Sea.
One of the goals was to break the hold of OPEC on oil. Go reread the Heritage Foundation pre-war papers on post-Saddam Iraq.
I acknowledged this here.
But if you really want to control the market, you want an off the books supply of oil that you can take off the books for certain markets (say disappear from China possibly buying) or can dump in markets at times of pressure (when Chavez or other OPEC members rattle their oil swords)
Russia. Don't forget Russia.
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Man, some well-stated, extremely depressing truths in these comments every frickin' day.
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Sparkle Plenty
fractured your tile
I can't produce my Patronus today, for some reason.
The pagans with the "fertility figure with a woody" next to Homer were very upset.
plantsman, arreligious
Some more of that British humor. (ere ah humour)
http://
www.mysteriousbritain.co....rne_abbass.html
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"this is why large areas of positive psychology are a crock. Not all of it. But a little scepticism, a little knowledge of the Greeks does help."
Had a buddy back in the day who wanted to go to med school - and thought that was enough. got really pissed at me when I said it's great that you want to but dumbass you have a 2.75 gpa you are not getting injto med school with those grades - not even in Grenada. we fell out over this kinda stuff.
he's now dating my ex - and is still as annoying.
Heathrow airport's owner BAA was isolated and assailed from all sides yesterday as it headed for a legal and physical showdown with protesters over an attempt to ban a mass demonstration against climate change that has enraged civil rights groups.
Within hours of its disclosure, politicians, lawyers and protesters condemned an injunction that would prevent five million members of the public from attending the Camp for Climate Action as "ludicrous," " absurd" and "unenforceable".
http://news.independent.co.uk/
uk...icle2811656.ece
"I'm gonna bet it's a pretty small number."
maybe - but if .0000001% of the total volume of the North Sea is coming in that's still going to make a mess of things is it not?
Plantsman,
The last time I saw the Willamette and Colombia rivers in flood was about 11 years ago. We had about 72 inches of rain and I will say that when the Colombia gets up 20 feet it is an impressive sight.
See, this is why large areas of positive psychology are a crock. Not all of it. But a little scepticism, a little knowledge of the Greeks does help.
spinoza
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yup
I do not buy that they are too stupid to know what they have done.
They're quite aware that they have ripped the treasures they seek from the table and created this massive chaos.
A million emails held by the RNC might reveal it all in plain English.
I don't follow -- 'splain me?
Albert Ellis died this week, and was a great man who said life is unfair, get over it. The greek stoics taught that fortitude and detachment from distracting emotion allows one to become a clear thinker, level-headed and unbiased. There is also an element to Greek drama that suggests each of us has to wrestle with our fate.
There's a lot of water out there in the North Sea.
Moe Szyslak, hating coal
Which is exactly my point. I don't think the barrier when closed has a measurable effect on the surge level below it.
It's just my hunch.
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I read that Homer Simpson was done in paint that would wash away in the first good rain. The pagans were still upset. Apparently British pagans, at least those, have no sense of humor.
Nancy - familiar with Justin Frank?
The doc that wrote Bush on the Couch?
he's now dating my ex - and is still as annoying.
Uncle Blodge
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sick dude needs to stay within earshot of you! spank daddy
The cops shot a guy locally, in the head. He was in custody at the time. Apparently he was trying to get a TASER from one of the cops. So they shot him in the head.
"I'm gonna bet it's a pretty small number."
maybe - but if .0000001% of the total volume of the North Sea is coming in that's still going to make a mess of things is it not?
Uncle Blodge
I've tried twice to write something coherent about this, but keep coming up short. I guess I think you're looking at it the wrong way. Certainly the amount of water that would've flooded upstream is low, *compared to all the water in the North Sea*, but it's still a lot-- that's what would've made it a "flood" in the first place. And it has to go somewhere. If it can't go backwards, back to the sea, it'll go sideways, wherever the lowest point is. Which means, because it's lower countryside than London, even a greater area will be flooded.
Albert Ellis died this week, and was a great man who said life is unfair, get over it.
I've generally found that people with that philosophy are not the ones holding the short end of the stick.
Nancy - familiar with Justin Frank?
The doc that wrote Bush on the Couch?
billy b
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know of it but ignored it
staying oblivious to the obvious I guess, the choir not needing the lesson.
Iraq is a success! Violence is trending downward. Ordierno says we can start withdrawing in the Spring.
spinoza
Mmmm, kthx.
Am I detecting that one of the neo con ventures is to do an end run around opec? This means that subverting the governments of Iraq and Venezuela can eventually fuck over the Saudies?
"They're quite aware that they have ripped the treasures they seek from the table and created this massive chaos."
Not too stupid, just deep into denial. Like the people who cannot conceive that the spiritual grandsons of John Wayne could commit atrocities, they cannot accept that the U|S could ever act badly.
I remember hearing adults talking at the start of Watergate, and one of them said this is all a communist plot to discredit the president. Why? our president would not do that therefore he didn't it's just the bad guys fucking it up again.
Not stupid, maybe even intelligent, certainly deluded - and deep into deinial of the mess they made.
The cops shot a guy locally, in the head. He was in custody at the time. Apparently he was trying to get a TASER from one of the cops. So they shot him in the head.
Snow, Contrary
The Baltimore police have killed two or three people with tasers as of late.
What is going on over at The Atlantic? First, Ambinder and his "fairly or unfairly" the MCM hates John Edwards and wants to take him out, put out there just matter of factly.
Now, this crap about progessivism:
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/arc...ives/
015922.php
But Rasmussen Reports had an interesting survey this week, which showed that when "liberal" is replaced with "progressive," the broader dynamic changes significantly. According to the poll, 35% consider "progressive" a positive description of a candidate, whereas 32% consider "conservative" a positive label. snip
It stands to reason, then, that conservatives, after having tarnished "liberal," are going to have to take on the newer, more popular, label for the left. As Kevin Drum noted, NRO's Yuval Levin got the ball rolling. Big snip--go read.
The Atlantic's Ross Douthat is also getting in on the fun.
"I take Matt's point that "Progressive" is basically just a useful umbrella term for a left-of-center coalition. On the other hand, I'm not so sure that it's a coincidence that the revival of progressivism as a political label has coincided with a more strident secularism/atheism, a greater obsession with the supposed right-wing threat to "science" (read: left-wing policy preferences on stem cell research, cloning, genetic engineering, etc.), and a greater sympathy for Darwinism-as-a-universal-theory among thinkers associated with the political left."
I've generally found that people with that philosophy are not the ones holding the short end of the stick.
sister of ye
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yup
civil rights be damned
get over it never satisfies those who have nowhere but hell to get back to.
"I've tried twice to write something coherent about this, but keep coming up short."
Moe - you know I was trying to agree with you.
know of it but ignored it
staying oblivious to the obvious I guess, the choir not needing the lesson.
Check out this Consortium News column on cornering little Boots he co-wrote.
http://www.consortiumnews.com/20...07/
072707a.html
Moe - you know I was trying to agree with you.
Uncle Blodge
Yea, sorry, I meant that for AO.
The point, I think, is that the water can't go back to the sea. There's a surge, pushing it forward. It either piles up higher and higher, or finds a way to break through somewhere.
Remember those terrorist dry runs at airports this past week? Yeah, they were false alarms.
"sick dude needs to stay within earshot of you!"
My kids have been trained that their mother dates loons at times.
"spank daddy"
I am not sure I want to know what you mean by this. as long as he doesn't fuck up my kids we're cool. I have made it clear I want nothing more to do with him.
Albert Ellis died this week, and was a great man who said life is unfair, get over it.
I've generally found that people with that philosophy are not the ones holding the short end of the stick.
Some of the best have had the short end of the stick and gotten over it:
Frederick Douglass
Gandhi
Conyers
Some of the worst have had the long end of the stick and fucked things up tremendously:
Cheney
Bush
"I'm gonna bet it's a pretty small number."
maybe - but if .0000001% of the total volume of the North Sea is coming in that's still going to make a mess of things is it not?
Uncle Blodge, Urban Teacher
I don't know what the actual decimal is but I'm still suggesting it's trivial. Numbers have a way about them.
Take Moe's example of a 12 foot surge divide it by two to get average height, multiply by the area that would be flooded without the barrier. Then divide by the volume of the sea under the surge. I'll bet there's a bunch of zeros to right of the decimal point.
I imagine it was all done rigorously when the barrier was designed.
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Maybe it's easier to understand if you think of it exactly the same way as flood waters coming downstream. In that case waters can't go backwards because of gravity. In this case, waters can't go backwards because there's a gigantic storm with huge winds pushing it forward. Same result, either way.
"I've generally found that people with that philosophy are not the ones holding the short end of the stick."
yeah - like those who say money doesn't make you happy usually can pay their bills with money left over for donuts.
The point, I think, is that the water can't go back to the sea. There's a surge, pushing it forward. It either piles up higher and higher, or finds a way to break through somewhere.
Moe Szyslak, hating coal | Homepage | 07.28.07 - 12:12 pm | #
If there isn't a surge of water to be held back, why build the barrier?
Is this an African swallow or a European one y'all are discussing?
Is this an African swallow or a European one y'all are discussing?
Is its weight in ounces or grams?
"Is this an African swallow or a European one y'all are discussing?"
European. Lives in London. Is it about to get its ass wet Yes/No?
yeah - like those who say money doesn't make you happy usually can pay their bills with money left over for donuts.
Uncle Blodge, Urban Teacher | 07.28.07 - 12:15 pm | #
Man does not live by bread alone - a favorite line of prosperous Victorians against feeding the poor.
You can't fix problems by throwing money at them - favorite line of late 20th century Americans who hate public education.
As far as the stick is concerned, obviously there are people who have risen above extremely unfair and systematic obstacles, but that doesn't change the fact that the obstacles are systematic and unfair.
Still in my secret identity as Chuck Schumer just above
I imagine it was all done rigorously when the barrier was designed.
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Agent Orange
Yea, well, that's where we started: they planned for 1950s-era storms and 1950s-era sea levels. Those figures are now obsolete.
No doubt, as origninally designed, the flood waters would not move laterally, either because the land was naturally high enough, or they built dikes as part of the system. Either way, with higher waters, they may not suffice.
In this case, waters can't go backwards because there's a gigantic storm with huge winds pushing it forward. Same result, either way.
Moe Szyslak, hating coal
Still that doesn't answer what I think is the basic discussion point here - that is how much higher. My intuitive vote is small, very small.
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"I take Matt's point that "Progressive" is basically just a useful umbrella term for a left-of-center coalition. On the other hand, I'm not so sure that it's a coincidence that the revival of progressivism as a political label has coincided with a more strident secularism/atheism, a greater obsession with the supposed right-wing threat to "science" (read: left-wing policy preferences on stem cell research, cloning, genetic engineering, etc.), and a greater sympathy for Darwinism-as-a-universal-theory among thinkers associated with the political left."
jawbone
So still swinging back and forth like a clock pendulum and calling it progress, eh?
http://www.consortiumnews.com/20...07/ 072707a.html
billy b
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ugh
I try to not encourage any sticky underpinning for a justification to a Bush meltdown in any direction.
Bush does what Cheney and Rove OK - this is not a one man show and should never be allowed to be "couched" that way.
They are cleverly setting groundwork for any means to their now blatantly obvious ends.
Do Not Buy In To It
. . . adding that what you do with your realization that there are unfairnesses is something that is within your control, even when the circumstances are not.
As far as the stick is concerned, obviously there are people who have risen above extremely unfair and systematic obstacles, but that doesn't change the fact that the obstacles are systematic and unfair.
That's what Albert Ellis said. It is always unfair.
As far as the stick is concerned, obviously there are people who have risen above extremely unfair and systematic obstacles, but that doesn't change the fact that the obstacles are systematic and unfair.
V for Virginia
Such individuals are merely exceptions which prove the rule. The system rewards those who serve it best.
'Twas ever thus.
Am I detecting that one of the neo con ventures is to do an end run around opec? This means that subverting the governments of Iraq and Venezuela can eventually fuck over the Saudies?
spinoza | 07.28.07 - 12:09 pm
March 5, 2003
Heritage Foundation's The Road To Economic Prosperity for a Post-Saddam Iraq
:::Following the demise of Saddam Hussein, it is unlikely that the Saudi kingdom would transfer a fraction of its production quota under the Organization of Petroleum Exporting Countries (OPEC) regime to Iraq to compensate for those lost profits and facilitate its rebuilding. Iraq will need to ensure cash flow for reconstruction regardless of OPEC supply limitations. Combined with the potential privatization of the oil industry, such measures could provide incentives for Iraq to leave the OPEC cartel down the road, which would have long-term, positive implications for global oil supply.:::
"You can't fix problems by throwing money at them"
unless the problem is national defense. then it is required to throw wads of 100$ bills.
where did my post go?
http://www.style.org/unladenswallow/
how to calculate the airspeed of said swallow.
As far as the stick is concerned, obviously there are people who have risen above extremely unfair and systematic obstacles, but that doesn't change the fact that the obstacles are systematic and unfair.
V for Virginia | 07.28.07 - 12:17 pm | #
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I don't think Ellis was minimizing injustice or trying to get people to be happy with their lot, he was trying to get them to act rationally in their self interest. There's nothing in Ellis that says action is bad, just tractionless unhappiness.
unless the problem is national defense. then it is required to throw wads of 100$ bills.
Uncle Blodge, Urban Teacher
Much bigger denomination than that. $100 bills=Pentagon toilet paper.
"You can't fix problems by throwing money at them"
unless the problem is national defense. then it is required to throw wads of 100$ bills.
Uncle Blodge, Urban Teacher
Also, all economic problems are solved via tax cuts for wealthy people.
Devizes isn't near any rivers heh
Still that doesn't answer what I think is the basic discussion point here - that is how much higher. My intuitive vote is small, very small.
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Agent Orange
I dunno. But I'm sure they didn't overbuild the system. They probably factored for a 100 year flood (the 1953 flood). Anything more, at the time, would've been seen as a waste of money. So what happens when a storm comes that has, say, twice the surge as the 1953 flood?
The Neocon Gambit
Circa 2003, perhaps without clearly realizing it, the United States became the most fascist country since 1945. The confluence of religion, nationalism, corporate power and global authoritarianism is stunning in retrospect.
This is a subtle new neo-fascism where the country remains internally a functioning democracy, but becomes authoritarian and even brutal on the global stage. No longer is the prize just territory, but oil-rich territory.
The American people still haven't quite caught on to what happened and nationalistic and religious appeals can still quiet their growing unease. One wonders what backlash will occur when the American people finally fully understand what has transpired in the name of American Democracy.
I don't think Ellis was minimizing injustice or trying to get people to be happy with their lot, he was trying to get them to act rationally in their self interest. There's nothing in Ellis that says action is bad, just tractionless unhappiness.
Well said.
If there isn't a surge of water to be held back, why build the barrier?
therealhellkitty
I don't think the discussion is about whether or not a surge exists, but it's about the effect the closed barrier would have on the height of the surge.
The reason for building it (to protect London and its environs I presume) is still valid.
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The extent of the deterioration in US-Saudi relations was exposed for the first time yesterday when Washington accused Riyadh of working to undermine the Iraqi government.
The Bush administration warned Saudi Arabia, until this year one of its closest allies, to stop undermining the Iraqi prime minister, Nouri al-Maliki.
The US secretary of state, Condoleezza Rice, and the defence secretary, Robert Gates, are scheduled to visit Jeddah next week.
Reflecting the deteriorating relationship, the US made public claims that the Saudis have been distributing fake documents lying about Mr Maliki.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/saudi/
...2136687,00.html
One wonders what backlash will occur when the American people finally fully understand what has transpired in the name of American Democracy.
Falstaff
They'll say, "Oops! Too late! Hey, I look good in brown!"
So what happens when a storm comes that has, say, twice the surge as the 1953 flood?
Moe Szyslak, hating coal |
They're fucked.
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21 yo prisoner does in jail; county says it was pulmonary embolism. Independent exam says strangulation.
If there isn't a surge of water to be held back, why build the barrier?
This all presumes London is worth saving.
It's the same with traditional dikes that protect cities from floods coming downstream-- they're big enough, until they're not.
"One wonders what backlash will occur when the American people finally fully understand what has transpired in the name of American Democracy."
If they ever do - a national nervous breakdown that may take one of several forms but will be too ugly for words.
"You can't fix problems by throwing money at them"
unless the problem is national defense. then it is required to throw wads of 100$ bills.
Uncle Blodge, Urban Teacher | 07.28.07 - 12:19 pm | #
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One of the endearing features of wingnut free-marketeers is how they frequently for the lower classes to act against their own immediate self interest. Seems like greed is beneficial only for people who have money already.
I am not sure I want to know what you mean by this. as long as he doesn't fuck up my kids we're cool. I have made it clear I want nothing more to do with him.
Uncle Blodge
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I was only alluding to the fact that he sort of seems like he likes you beating up on him.
dies, not does.
Huh. I think we were kind of talking past each other there, AO. I get where you're coming from.
The extent of the deterioration in US-Saudi relations was exposed for the first time yesterday when Washington accused Riyadh of working to undermine the Iraqi government.
So, naturally, Bush wants to sell them $20 Billion worth of weapons.
Falstaff | 07.28.07 - 12:21 pm | #
they will turn on NASCAR and have a beer and ignore it. That is what they have been trained to do. The educational system doesn't favor critical thinking. That's the real goal of NCLB. Those that rise above the limitations of our educational system are too few in number
to make a huge difference.
dies, not does.
Verdi's "Does Irae" was a wash.
Apparently this is not the only death in this county jail. There are three other unnatural deaths. Some guards have pled guilty to beating prisoners.
But the county continues the cover up.
"I was only alluding to the fact that he sort of seems like he likes you beating up on him."
ah. well he has my ex now for that. she's good at it.
"One wonders what backlash will occur when the American people finally fully understand what has transpired in the name of American Democracy."
If they ever do - a national nervous breakdown that may take one of several forms but will be too ugly for words.
Uncle Blodge, Urban Teacher
After Vietnam? The almost completely baseless Cold War? The speeches of Martin Luther King, which we ignore in favor of "I have a dream?"
Nah. This is chump change by comparison. "National nervous breakdown"? Hell, maybe a repeat of 1929 would do that, but nothing less.
OK kids, I gotta roll but I'll leave you with this diddy...
"London is drown and I live by the river"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I...h?
v=IXfaxEaPOjw
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One of the endearing features of wingnut free-marketeers is how they frequently for the lower classes to act against their own immediate self interest. Seems like greed is beneficial only for people who have money already.
rootless2
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all poor rightwingnuts vote against self interest cause GOPerland is the land of built to serve corporate welfare and the deconstruction of the safety net in teh name of ant-socialism.
It was pretty scary to hear the author of China Road on TDS say that the most often recited line he heard from the average chinese was to the American:
please don't worry about our rise
we rise in peace
WTF?
go ask GOPerfucks how they like that
I understand the point of "getting over" unfairness to the extent of a) recognizing that things out of your control happen that you'll have to deal with and b) not letting that paralyze you from doing what you can to make it better.
But the fact is that those blithe sound-bite sayings are generally thrown out to justify unfairness that a certain segment of society is beneftting by, and generally smugly asserted by the ones profitting.
Frederick Douglass may have risen above his initial lot in life, but from what I recall from those writings of his I read, he hardly "got over" systemic bigotry and hatred.
Platitudes bereft of nuance are, in my experience, more likely to be abused by assholes than foster positive change.
Apparently this is not the only death in this county jail. There are three other unnatural deaths. Some guards have pled guilty to beating prisoners.
But the county continues the cover up.
Snow, Contrary
Our local jail brouhaha is currently centered around people dying because -- this will surprise you -- hiring a private contractor to provide healthcare services to prisoners is not working out that well! No, it's true!
So, naturally, Bush wants to sell them $20 Billion worth of weapons.
Boeing is running much of this country. And where does the ammunition come from that those poor teenagers in the Sudan use? Last I checked, bulletsd were fairly expensive if you bought them from walmart or K mart. But apparently they are being shipped by the boatload to allow profit for killing brown people.
sheets!
There be sheets.
"This is chump change by comparison."
assuming the sheeple ever get it. 50 Quatloos says they don't and turn on NASCAR as therealhellkitty says.
owls!!!!!!!!!!
ah. well he has my ex now for that. she's good at it.
Uncle Blodge
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and an odd peace settled in...
I do feel for the children
It's the same with traditional dikes that protect cities from floods coming downstream
I for one would like to state that this is very generous of the lesbian community.
Oh, different dikes. Sorry.
George is sitting on my lap and curled up on my right arm so i am typing s l o w l y with my left
hence not much being said by me heh
Those that rise above the limitations of our educational system are too few in number
to make a huge difference.
therealhellkitty
Perhaps you are right, but I have to point out that the younger people seem to understand what is going on more than those generations raised in the Cold War past where one's trust in everything the government said and did was perhaps more harmless.
Frederick Douglass may have risen above his initial lot in life, but from what I recall from those writings of his I read, he hardly "got over" systemic bigotry and hatred.
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sister of ye | 07.28.07 - 12:28 pm | #
From what little I know of Ellis, he would have applauded Douglass: pissed and working effectively. What Ellis seems to have been reacting to was a "therapeutic" mode in which people used their suffering as an excuse for passive self-pity. This is a critique that is very appealing to people who have ever lived in some Manhattan neighborhoods where everyone is on therapy and so deeply worried about their childhood traumas that they can't do anything for anyone else.
"I do feel for the children"
they know their mother is a little eccentric. they also know that she changes belief systems and takes on a new religion, new friends, new belief systems on a regular basis. they know that this comes with a new boyfriend.
The next picture was taken from the third story balcony of Saint Stanislaus College located next door to Our Lady of the Gulf church in Bay Saint Louis, Mississippi on the morning of August 29th, 2005. This is believed to be the initial wave (tidal?) of Hurricane Katrina. The wave was approximately 35 to 40 feet high. When it slammed into the beachfront communities of Bay Saint Louis and Waveland, it completely destroyed 99% of every structure along the beach for 9 miles and more than a mile inland. But the destruction only started there. The flooding which continued inland destroyed all but 35 homes in these two communities of a pproximately 14,000 people. It almost looks like a mountain. The force behind it would have the same impact of one.
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MJ Bialaski,
if there was supposed to be a link in there it didn't work - can you repost?
Never done this before. Try this:
The next picture was taken from the third story balcony of Saint Stanislaus College located next door to Our Lady of the Gulf church in Bay Saint Louis, Mississippi on the morning of August 29th, 2005. This is believed to be the initial wave (tidal?) of Hurricane Katrina. The wave was approximately 35 to 40 feet high. When it slammed into the beachfront communities of Bay Saint Louis and Waveland, it completely destroyed 99% of every structure along the beach for 9 miles and more than a mile inland. But the destruction only started there. The flooding which continued inland destroyed all but 35 homes in these two communities of a pproximately 14,000 people. It almost looks like a mountain. The force behind it would have the same impact of one
still nothing, sorry.
It is an awesome pict. Here is the link:
http://idisk.mac.com/rbestwick-P...c/
ATT000289.jpg
wow - thanks.
"we need another 6 decades for this thing to play out"-Mitch Mcchinless
Mitch the Bitch rules in a backward red meat state and he has more campaign money than the hard shelled baptist.
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