I'MMA LET YOU FINISH
Peace Rocks!
Impeach!
Missed it by that much!
Nice music.
Saw a bumper sticker today: Cheney/Satan 08!
from downstairs:
obama says he gave up the weed. and i think mccain only uses it medicinally.
dirk gently,brain tumory
Why, does Huggy have a chronic condition?
Pfft...they're not from Brooklyn.
Saw a bumper sticker today: Cheney/Satan 08!
Hecate, Runnymeade Conspirator
They aren't the same being?
Air Supply rocks.
Anybody ever rock out to Air Supply?
Oh, no. I can't come up with any weed puns. I'm out.
"Making looooovee, outta nothing at a-allll..."
/makin' loooveee
Jesus.
I hadn't seen the 100m final before.
Bolt fucking shut it down after 80m and he still set a world record. Wow.
Saw a bumper sticker today: Cheney/Satan 08!
Hecate, Runnymeade Conspirator
And Cheney had the lead role. Says a lot, when you think of it...
Walter Dix, bronze medalist, Florida State guy. Cool. 
d00d's got some wheels.
Not cool with the "freak of nature" descriptive. Not sure they'd use that reference with a white person.
Oh, no. I can't come up with any weed puns. I'm out.
Jubilation T. Cornpone | 08.16.08 - 11:44 pm | #
you're kidding. that's punning 101! even easier than fish!
unless, of course, one is toasted.
Never get out of the boat.
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Are these the outtakes from "School of Rock"?
Frank Whaley was great in that . . .
Seriously, that makes me want to go play the piano, which I sadly haven't touched in months.
Phelps - "Visualize George Michael tickets going on sale and you have to get there first"
That's how Karl Rove wins elections
WOW Usain Bolt runs a 9.68 coasting through the finish line. He put his arms down the last 25 yards of the race and looked at the audience. Shatters the world record. I've never seen anything like that in the 100 meters
Missed it by that much!
George Johnston
I erased 4 posts before you even thought about it my friend ... ahhh, sweet music reminds me of Abba and when I was held as a prisoner of war- savagely beaten, but eternally brave ... but I don't like to talk about it
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Yes We Will.
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Fuck...I've had this song in my head all night.
Getting tired of staring at the same old walls?
Try this palate cleanser.
Did I mention... my penis has a posse?
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Fuck...I've had this song in my head all night.
i've had three. simultaneously.
zappa's "dirty love"
"copa cabana"
and
"someone's knocking at the door"
brain tumor for sure.
Did I mention... my penis has a posse?
You should join ThinlyVeiled's church.
I won't tell you again.
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Try this palate cleanser.
Aaahhhhhh...I love Siouxie.
Saw her about ten years ago and managed to snag on of their set lists. And Spiritualized opened up for them...whom I now adore.
Grammar and spelling, be damned!!
Evening, all.
Just a drive-by before bed...anything irksome going on I should know about?
down at the copa
copa cabana
just like your momma
let's that fuzzy poodle chew
open the door, and let him in!
Just a drive-by before bed...anything irksome going on I should know about?
steve hüssein® simels
don't start on me. just don't.
Cheating on Your Wife is OK if you Were a POW
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3...h?
v=3TywWtlK1hs
steve hüssein® simels: Just a drive-by before bed...anything irksome going on I should know about?
Yes, but you don't have the time.
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One thang I enjoy when the nights get a little cooler is riding around, and noticing the simple physics that rule our world. I used to note this when I had the convertible, too -- hit a dip in elevation, especially where that dip is part of a much larger valley, and the temperature can really dive inside just a few yards.
Make me wanna get a scooter.
what is the video?
Oh, no. I can't come up with any weed puns. I'm out.
That's sad. Truly sad. Stone-cold sad.
what is the video?
ErinPDX | Homepage | 08.16.08 - 11:52 pm | #
penguins with strings
zappa's "dirty love"
Wow, that is just so weird. I had that song stuck in my head all day,yesterday. Never been a huge Zappa fan, although I do like him, but my brother used to subject me to endless hours of it. How strange.
Give me
Your dirty love
Like you might surrender
To some dragon in your dreams
Give me
Your dirty love
Like a pink donation
To the dragon in your dreams
I don't need your sweet devotion
I don't want your cheap emotion
Just whip me up some dragon lotion
For your dirty love
Just a drive-by before bed...anything irksome going on I should know about?
steve hüssein® simels
Obama gave McStain his Town Hall meeting in a goddamned church in exchange for nothing. Obama has obviously been going to the Reid/Pelosi School of Politics.
That's sad. Truly sad. Stone-cold sad.
atablarasa | 08.16.08 - 11:52 pm | #
please reefer to my previous post.
Oh, no. I can't come up with any weed puns. I'm out.
That's okay. We can still be buds.
Saw her about ten years ago and managed to snag on of their set lists. And Spiritualized opened up for them...whom I now adore.
Jealous!
I don't smoke weed, but I don't mind hitting the whipped cream can propellant every now and again.
masculine_monica_nyc: Make me wanna get a scooter.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7...h?
v=7sXGT0WhFnU
Grammar and spelling, be damned!!
Zap Rowsdower
[raises glass of elitist syrah]
Indeed sir! Confusion to the grammarians!
masculine_monica_nyc: Make me wanna get a scooter.
Not only are they prictical for many, or for few in many situations... they're also a mindblowing multiple orgasm of fun.
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I was impressed watching Cindy with that little glint in her eye when her kid nails his lines in the school play.
So cute.
what is the video?
Part of Brahms Double Concerto Op.102.
my favorite lines are
i don't want your sweet aroma
or your little be peep diploma
her name was lola
she was a show girl
uncle harry
cousin jim
please reefer to my previous post.
Sorry, I'm on west coast time. I won't be able to read your previous post until two hours from now... Not sure how I saw this one...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7...h? v=7sXGT0WhFnU
rapier | 08.16.08 - 11:53 pm | #
Always thought Willie would be a great "Phantom of the Opera", his braids peeking out from behind that mask.
thanks.
all i can see is a box with nothing in it. old computer
I've been ridin' dirty... but they didn't catch me!
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Sorry, I'm on west coast time. I won't be able to read your previous post until two hours from now...
oh, wow man. you just blew my mind.
"I've been ridin' dirty... but they didn't catch me!"
?
?
Took the muffler and cat off?
Obama gave McStain his Town Hall meeting in a goddamned church in exchange for nothing. Obama has obviously been going to the Reid/Pelosi School of Politics.
George Johnston | Homepage | 08.16.08 - 11:53 pm | #
Doesn't surprise me. The Dems are basically hopeless and clueless and have been for years now.
Obama morphed into Bill Clinton months ago. Just another goddamn mushy DLC triangulating centrist.
Which is why it's hilarious to hear the Repugs try to paint him as a Commie.
I fucking wish....
ErinPDX: all i can see is a box with nothing in it. old computer
We need to fix you up.
I'll bid on IT services for y'all, y'know.
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Not only are they prictical for many, or for few in many situations... they're also a mindblowing multiple orgasm of fun.
If I ever get a mode of transportation of my very own, it'll be a water- or steam-powered truck or a scooter. As it is, I'm all about the public transpo.
I've never seen anything like that in the 100 meters -jk
saw Ben Johnson win the 100 (the 9.63 I think)called my bro and said something like: "dude he was flying, I've never seen anything like it"
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saw Ben Johnson win the 100 (the 9.63 I think)called my bro and said something like: "dude he was flying, I've never seen anything like it"
9.79. Roid-aided.
So, in "Copacabana," does Rico shoot Tony?
Is that why Lola is sad in the end?
How tragic . . . no wonder KKKarl gets misty-eyed when we Cabbage Patch to that song . . .
EkCenTriK: Took the muffler and cat off?
One of my kittehs took five spins on the Chinese Death Machine.
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masculine_monica_nyc: Make me wanna get a scooter.
Not only are they prictical for many, or for few in many situations... they're also a mindblowing multiple orgasm of fun.
.
Jeffraham Prestonian
Dagnabbit, cut it out. You're making me feel young again.
I don't smoke weed, but I don't mind hitting the whipped cream can propellant every now and again.
Gilly Gonzylon | 08.16.08 - 11:53 pm | #
Is that why Lola is sad in the end?
no, she's said cause no one will open the fucking door and let that nasty poodle out.
"One of my kittehs took five spins on the Chinese Death Machine."
Hmm, I was sort of close, meant catalytic converter (do those things have them?).
Which American track runner wore the gold shoes?
Curly or L.E.?
Upsidasium: Dagnabbit, cut it out. You're making me feel young again.
Hey! You gots Kymco?
Saw your comment at the scootblawg. Can e-mail you PFD, but the original file is a .zip; sorry.
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Which American track runner wore the gold shoes?
masculine_monica_nyc
I believe that was Michael Johnson.
I' m trying to place the violinst.
Isaac Stern? David Oistrakh?
I think they should have the next "town hall" meeting in a leather bar with both candidates wearing only spray on latex. I for one think my personal relationship with Grace Jones and Divine is being marginalized.
i tried changing stations, but i got 'trucking', 'smells like team spirit' and 'umbrella'
jeez.
Isaac Stern? David Oistrakh?
Art Vandalay.
Gold shoes = Ben Johnson.
EkCenTriK: Hmm, I was sort of close, meant catalytic converter (do those things have them?).
No, but they're generally a lot more efficient engines than your typical auto or truck.
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I' m trying to place the violinst.
Isaac Stern? David Oistrakh?
steve hüssein® simels
You'll appreciate this, Steve:
In March, I'll be singing with my chorus and the Russian National Orchestra, under the direction of Itzhak Perlman.
9.79. Roid-aided.
Sinfonian,cultural interlope
9.79 ok, thanks. yeah it broke the heart of my stupid innocence ... fucking people
Isaac Stern? David Oistrakh?
steve hüssein® simels | Homepage | 08.17.08 - 12:00 am | #
Howard Stern
I' m trying to place the violinst.
he's the guy with the smallest cello.
Oistrakh and Rostropovich
In March, I'll be singing with my chorus and the Russian National Orchestra, under the direction of Itzhak Perlman.
Sinfonian,cultural interloper | Homepage | 08.17.08 - 12:00 am | #
Nice!
Steve,
I have a goyish question before I head for bed. (And I am serious)
This exhibition of the candidates tonight, (I am more Christian that thou) was, to my mind, a little offensive. I found the IDEA offensive because, from my perspective, religion SHOULD be a personal thing and not something that a politician should be judged upon by the public and my background is actually very very conservative Christian.
How does this appear to someone who is Jewish?
Michael Johnson's gold Nike's.
"he's the guy with the smallest cello."
Time for Duncan to kill your account.
In March, I'll be singing with my chorus and the Russian National Orchestra, under the direction of Itzhak Perlman.
Sinfonian,cultural interloper
russian? oh, noes!
he's the guy with the smallest cello.
dirk gently,brain tumory | 08.17.08 - 12:01 am | #
heh
Obama gave McStain his Town Hall meeting in a goddamned church in exchange for nothing
What he said.
I wish Dems would get over the idea that fundies are ever going to vote for Dems. They. Are. Not.
That was a pretty damned good marathon...
In March, I'll be singing with my chorus and the Russian National Orchestra, under the direction of Itzhak Perlman.
Sinfonian,cultural interloper | Homepage | 08.17.08 - 12:00 am | #
Wow. Impressive indeed...
What repertoire?
I bow to the superior skillz of Sinfonian.
Sinfonian: In March, I'll be singing with my chorus and the Russian National Orchestra, under the direction of Itzhak Perlman.
Anything gaiier than that requires spandex and tutus.
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The true power of "Copacabana" lies in the tension between its upbeat, bouncy rhythm and its tragic lyrics, its tale of a bar fight gone horribly bad.
Yep. Gold shoes = Michael Johnson.
A fuckin' week and a half and I've yet to see one fuckin' mogul event.
I think they should have the next "town hall" meeting in a leather bar with both candidates wearing only spray on latex. I for one think my personal relationship with Grace Jones and Divine is being marginalized.
Leather bar, and they should have to sport those spray-on condoms that dirk was talking about earlier, so I don't have to read the article to find out about the reservoir tip issue or the clogged urethra consideration.
sometimes the lights all shining on me
here we are now entertain us
other times i can barely see
under my umbrella!
I'm watching "THX1138"
Hecate: I wish Dems would get over the idea that fundies are ever going to vote for Dems. They. Are. Not.
Well, I would advise not underestimating that asshat's scope of audience. I think it all went well.
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coke to Zap
Gilly Gonzylon | 08.17.08 - 12:03 am | #
New version or the old, classic one?
"A fuckin' week and a half and I've yet to see one fuckin' mogul event."
Patience, I am sure they will show up in a bit.
"How does this appear to someone who is Jewish?"
my guess is that it seems like Jewish people are being told they are not real amerikins.
and more or less that is what is being implied here.
too bad you're not a judaeo. we are after all a judaeo christian nation, you know
John McCain said Rep. John Lewis is one of the 3 wisest people he knows of.
I see an ad coming on:
Civil rights leader Rep. John Lewis (D-GA) has pledged his superdelegate vote for Barack Obama, changing his earlier support of Hillary Clinton.
What repertoire?
steve hüssein® simels
Beethoven's Ninth Symphony.
the tension between its upbeat, bouncy rhythm and its tragic lyrics, its tale of a bar fight gone horribly bad.
David Gregory | 08.17.08 - 12:02 am | #
rocky racoon
stepped into the room
only to find gideons bible
and if you go down there
you better just beware
of a man named leroy brown
Overheard at the Olympics
"Are you a Pole Vaulter?"
"No, I am Ukranian "
"How does this appear to someone who is Jewish?"
my guess is that it seems like Jewish people are being told they are not real amerikins.
Try being Wiccan.
rocky racoon
stepped into the room
only to find gideons bible
and if you go down there
you better just beware
of a man named leroy brown
I never get tired of those lyrics...
In March, I'll be singing with my chorus and the Russian National Orchestra, under the direction of Itzhak Perlman.
Fun!
John McCain said Rep. John Lewis is one of the 3 wisest people he knows of.
it was the only thing he said that got no applause.
Overheard in Congress:
"Are you a pole vaulter?"
"I could be if you want." [tap tap]
/l. craig
the tension between its upbeat, bouncy rhythm and its tragic lyrics, its tale of a bar fight gone horribly bad.
There's no such thing as a bar fight gone right.
"Are you a Pole Vaulter?"
"No, I am Ukranian "
And my name's not Walter.
If only Tony had not sailed across the bar, he might still be alive today! And Lola wouldn't be drinking herself half-blind.
What a cautionary tale for us all.
This can only be good news for John McCain.
There's no such thing as a bar fight gone right.
MikeJ | 08.17.08 - 12:06 am | #
Unless it's in a Clint Eastwood film.
Every Which Way but Loose, The Rookie, and Bronco Billy featured a bar fight.
Not cool with the "freak of nature" descriptive. Not sure they'd use that reference with a white person.
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Prolly wouldn't pull a Howard Cosell, either, and shout "Look at that little monkey run!"
i heard a rumor that sinfonian was going to invade the georgian orchestra.
i heard a rumor that sinfonian was going to invade the georgian orchestra.
dirk gently,brain tumory
That depends. Do they have a hot cellist?
Costas appears to be sprorting a boner, allbeit a small one.
dirk gently: i heard a rumor that sinfonian was going to invade the georgian orchestra.
DO not touch the TREEEE-im!
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Every Which Way but Loose, The Rookie, and Bronco Billy featured a bar fight.
Janeane The Acerbic Goblin | 08.17.08 - 12:07 am | #
I find it disturbing that you can pull that up...
i heard a rumor that sinfonian was going to invade the georgian orchestra.
What you heard was that he'd hit it.
Costas appears to be sprorting a boner, allbeit a small one.
macacawitz | 08.17.08 - 12:08 am | #
He's a shortie !
I never get tired of those lyrics...
Zap Rowsdower | Homepage | 08.17.08 - 12:06 am | #
there was another song almost identical to bad, bad leroy brown but i can't think what it was.
three tunes at once is maddening enough.
or am i confusing cause and effect again?
Hecate: I wish Dems would get over the idea that fundies are ever going to vote for Dems. They. Are. Not.
http://www.usnews.com/articles/n...poll-
finds.html
Michael Johnson was never busted for doping, was he?
That depends. Do they have a hot cellist?
Sinfonian,cultural interloper
do you go for mutton chops?
atablarasa | 08.17.08 - 12:08 am | #
The best one was Bronco Billy, where you see a Panavision camera in the frame (oops).
Jeff Beck, "You Never Know," There and Back
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do you go for mutton chops?
dirk gently,brain tumory
Only with mint jelly.
Phelps, native of Baltimore ... my guess is he throws out the first pitch at an Orioles game the first homestand when he's back.
I'm watching "THX1138"
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I think George Lucas turned Robert Duvall into a wingnut. Taught him to see everything in black and white.
There's no such thing as a bar fight gone right.
MikeJ | 08.17.08 - 12:06 am | #
i have a friend who was a linebacker at uga (years ago) who picked a fight with bouncers at the legendary gold club (back when it existed)
i think he might agree with you.
So, Michael Phelps now holds his place in history as the answer to an obscure question in the Trivial Pursuit: 2015 Edition.
I haven't seen Bronco Billy in ages.
But I watched some Gary Cooper Westerns that were recently released on DVD. He was suavey.
Only with mint jelly.
Sinfonian,cultural interloper
[harvey korman voice]
kinky!
Phelps will be stripped of his medals shortly after the games, when it's discovered that he has gills and fins.
KKKarl told me.
Phelps, native of Baltimore ... my guess is he throws out the first pitch at an Orioles game the first homestand when he's back.
Good call.
"Are you a Pole Vaulter?"
"No, I am Ukranian "
And my name's not Walter.
atablaras
heh, went to a memorial today for a good friend and colleague who died in a rock-climbing accident in Nevada last week – he was a Ukrainian and self-described SOB named ‘Walter’. It was very beautiful and funny and sad and very beautiful ...
"Try being Wiccan."
well, you're evil and are going to hell.
judaeos laugh at you
or am i confusing cause and effect again?
You're busted for talking about people behind their back again. McCartney and Croce are suing as we speak!
(or their estates)
judaeos laugh at you
Uncle Blodge, Urban Teacher
so do kungfoos.
What is it about Bob Costas's face that makes it look so manicured? is it the little bangs, or the too well tweezed eyebrows?
So Phelps will come back in 2012?
I thought that was still questionable. Hunh.
Just once I would like to see a Democrat go to an event like this, deliver this quote, then leave:
If there is one thing for which we stand in this country, it is for complete religious freedom, and it is an emphatic negation of this right to cross-examine a man on his religion before being willing to support him for office.
-- Theodore Roosevelt, letter to J C Martin, November 9, 1908, from Albert J Menendez and Edd Doerr, The Great Quotations on Religious Freedom
Costas appears to be sprorting a boner, allbeit a small one.
macacawitz | 08.17.08 - 12:08 am | #
so that's where i left it.
atablarasa | 08.17.08 - 12:08 am | #
There was a barfight in Heartbreak Ridge, too. Forgot about that one...
"How does this appear to someone who is Jewish?"
my guess is that it seems like Jewish people are being told they are not real amerikins.
Try being Wiccan.
Hecate, Runnymeade Conspirator
That was my assumption.
It is like they have closed their eyes to the fact that there are a great many people who believe that religion is simply NOT a proper topic for public discussion.
After many years of consideration that is my conclusion. What I believe about "God" is really not something that I wish to share with anyone.
If I mention it here it is not because someone is demanding that I do so to be included in the discussion. That is the flaw in this appearance. If Barack was invited and declined, it would have been used against him even though, from my perspective, that would be the correct course of action.
It is like your beliefs, Hecate. While I do not believe in what you do, I do not choose to question your beliefs because they are not mine. You, as all people are, are welcome to them as long as you do not demand that I show fealty to them beyond respecting your right to believe in them.
This meeting makes me very uncomfortable for it sets a standard for consideration.
IOW, if you are Jewish, or agnostic, or Muslim, or Buddhist, or any other religion or no religion then you can never be president?
Where does it say that in the Constitution?
Thanks, mm.
As a lifelong O's fan and fellow (to Phelps) Baltimore native, I tend to think in terms of how the Orioles might be affected.
Which has mostly sucked for me since, oh, the early '80s.
well, you're evil and are going to hell.
It's good to have a plan.
Bob Costas carries Micky Mantle's baseball card in his wallet.
True story.
That's how much "into" sports he is.
Aside from doing ads for speedo, what does Phelps do for the next 4 years? I guess you bide your time selling photos of yourself to gay softcore porn sites and doing signings in the cosmetics section at Macy's.
You're busted for talking about people behind their back again.
can't help it. that's where you get the best view.
sure, it was impressive how phelps pulled his buddies' bacon out of the fire, but OMFG Bolt is a freak of nature.
masculine_monica_nyc | 08.17.08 - 12:12 am | #
Bronco Billy is corny at times, but it gets better upon repeated viewings.
"How does this appear to someone who is Jewish?"
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The customary method involves a burning bush.
"Bob Costas carries Micky Mantle's baseball card in his wallet."
"I like women with small hands. Makes my dick look bigger."
- Mickey Mantle
Aside from doing ads for speedo, what does Phelps do for the next 4 years?
diet.
More I think about it, I think Obama got a lot more out of this than may be apparent.
He did an excellent job of laying to rest questions about what faith he holds. IMO he did good work in showing that it is an active aspect of his life, one in which he is knowledgeable.
I'm D.U.N.N.F.U.R.
Goodnight.
IOW, if you are Jewish, or agnostic, or Muslim, or Buddhist, or any other religion or no religion then you can never be president?
Where does it say that in the Constitution?
DWD - Fed Up • → BS | Homepage | 08.17.08 - 12:15 am |
There has been one non-protestant US president and was a very protestant seeming catholic who only won because of dead people in Cook county
The numbers don't lie.
Okay, calling it a night. Tomorrow will be a LONG day.
Don't forget, if you can, to go castigate the wingnut commenter if you haven't done so already.
Catch you patriotz laterz.
If there is one thing for which we stand in this country, it is for complete religious freedom, and it is an emphatic negation of this right to cross-examine a man on his religion before being willing to support him for office.
They would have said that that proves that Obama is a scary Muslim.
Bob Costas carries Micky Mantle's baseball card in his wallet.
This is why no network will let Costas call MLB games anymore. He's a baseball fetishist.
oh, and by the way, Rick Warren can bite me. Fuck him and fuck his fucking megachurch.
EkCenTriK: More I think about it, I think Obama got a lot more out of this than may be apparent.
He wasn't hurt.
He was thoughtful, respectful, but firm on reproductive rights, the Iraq fiasco and our need to all be more involved in solving our problems at home.
.
This is why no network will let Costas call MLB games anymore. He's a baseball fetishist.
masculine_monica_nyc | 08.17.08 - 12:18 am | #
i thought that was marv albert
Which has mostly sucked for me since, oh, the early '80s.
I feel ya.
/Mets fan
Costas reminds me of Shatner.
oh, and by the way, Rick Warren can bite me. Fuck him and fuck his fucking megachurch.
theo. of athens, more caption | 08.17.08 - 12:18 am | #
i thought that was marv albert.
Death, fuck you. You cheap little whore. Yep, bitch that's me and I'll take you on. Bring it on me bitch.
What happened with the speeches in Orange County? How did they do?
One good thang Warren got out of McCain't: His greatest moral failing was in the breakup of his first marriage.
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The Vikings may have to bring back Culpepper.
One anagram for "Rick Warren" is "Rink Rec War."
Scary, or what?
Dana Bash listens to this song when masterbating about McCain
Obama did well tonight, despite the fact that McCain was prompted and prepped.
He was thoughtful
Thoughtful = too long for average Winger...
"
He wasn't hurt. "
Agreed, I said earlier that if he got 10 percent coming over to him, it was a plus.
Someone else mentioned this might be the first time some of those folks have actually seen him.
He doesn't seem do dangerous now I bet.
i thought that was marv albert
No no no. Marv is an NBA pervert.
Favray did great.
He's the Greatest. Even better than Alice.
Obama did well tonight, despite the fact that McCain was prompted and prepped.
Vicki, Who ♥ Al Gore
Excellent. Was it apparent that McCain is not religious at all?
No no no. Marv is an NBA pervert.
masculine_monica_nyc | 08.17.08 - 12:21 am | #
either way. he can bite me.
Which has mostly sucked for me since, oh, the early '80s.
I feel ya.
/Mets fan
Word.
Its a good thing McCain never talks about Vietnam.
Does anyone here
1. Not have a Facebook account.
2.Doesn't plan on ever getting one.
atablarasa: Thoughtful = too long for average Winger...
Perhaps.
Still, he used humor and related on a non-academic level, I thought. He made his points, and didn't have to apologize for anything. I think it was a slight plus for him to have done this.
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"McCain was prompted and prepped."
Hindsight again for me is the difference becomes obvious with Obama for comparison.
Mccain did little that was an original of the moment thought. It was one hundred percent his stump material. Of which Obama was waved off by whats his face.
Speaking of Marv Albert--that's his real hair, by the way. Not a piece, contrary to popular opinion.
True story.
god, i can't believe the pettiness and meanness some of you have toward phelps. the guy is nothing short of fucking amazing, both with his talent and his discipline.
Watching McCain snarl and threaten it became clear that he spent 5 1/2 years in captivity plotting how to get even and when he got out he devoted the rest of his life to making the world pay.
either way. he can bite me.
That's kind of you. He doesn't usually get consent first.
"1. Not have a Facebook account.
2.Doesn't plan on ever getting one."
Me
Try being Wiccan.
I just might do that one of these days.
After many years of consideration that is my conclusion. What I believe about "God" is really not something that I wish to share with anyone.
Well, I certainly can't blame you, but it is after all just a bunch of pixels here. Whatever you believe is probably of interest to a few here, offensive to some, and of no interest to most. But if we can't hold forth on fairly anonymous blogs, I don't know where we can.
Excellent. Was it apparent that McCain is not religious at all?
ellroon presuming
it didn't matter.
all that mattered is that when obama was asked when a baby had legal rights, he went into a thoughtful, serious explanation of tha balance between some peoples sense of morals and the rights of women to make their own choice (and came down on the side of women being treated as sapient adults)
mccain, asked the same question answered "at conception"
McCain was not very good at escaping.
Night, all.
Also, Obama called the moderator "Rick" or "Reverend Rick" throughout.
McCain fell back on "my friends..." throughout. I don't think he ever said Rick's name except at the introduction, if then.
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Was it apparent that McCain is not religious at all?
It was apparent, to me at least, that McCain was handed the questions for advance review.
He barely mentioned God, other than that he knows he's saved and forgiven.
He focused quite a bit on war, fear, and terror.
Janeane ---- 
Long time no see!
1. Not have a Facebook account.
2.Doesn't plan on ever getting one.
Me, too.
That's kind of you. He doesn't usually get consent first.
masculine_monica_nyc | 08.17.08 - 12:24 am | #
i said "can" not "may"
Its a good thing McCain never talks about Vietnam.
Was McCain in Vietnam? He never talk about it.
The local news showed Obama and McCain hugging it out.
Obama did well tonight, despite the fact that McCain was prompted and prepped.
Sounds like the invasion of Georgia all over again.
Does anyone here
1. Not have a Facebook account.
2.Doesn't plan on ever getting one.
mike
Every time I say never, I find myself doing it... let me rephrase that...
I don't have a Facebook, not yet seeing the need, but I may be overcome suddenly and create one...
I have a blog for therapy.
George Johnston | Homepage | 08.17.08 - 12:25 am | #
Hey, George. Haven't been around in a while.
Does anyone here
1. Not have a Facebook account.
2.Doesn't plan on ever getting one.
mike | 08.17.08 - 12:23 am | #
==
*raises hand*
Evening alla you. Just a quick drop-in. Trying to get back in the habit of hanging out.
and yes haloscan, I do know my name. and you're still a dick.
I am awestruck by Oistrakh.
Does anyone have the percentages for circumcision/non-circumcision at these Olympics?
Death, fuck you. You cheap little whore. Yep, bitch that's me and I'll take you on. Bring it on me bitch.
Le Jackel
I don't know dude, Death seems like he's got the balls: ... the weak/strong, rich/poor, evil/good, newborn babies, fucking babies ... anytime - anywhere
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god, i can't believe the pettiness and meanness some of you have toward phelps. the guy is nothing short of fucking amazing, both with his talent and his discipline.
I am being neither petty nor mean when I say that there are too goddamn many medals in swimming if one guy can win practically all of them, which has happened twice now.
I am also not being petty or mean when I say that what Michael Phelps did today was not nearly as amazing as what Usain Bolt did.
Now, when I say that Rick Warren can eat me, that may be petty and/or mean.
1. Not have a Facebook account.
2.Doesn't plan on ever getting one.
i do, but only b/c the community theater community has adopted it as a means of communication.
Overall, I think that Obama seemed more engaged and genuine in listening to, and addressing the questions.
McCain't was clearly pandering in most of his answers.
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It wasn't fair.
McCain had a fellow prisoner tap out the questions to him in advance.
When does the short track speed skating start?
THANK FUCK, IT'S MS MENA!!
so fuckface mcShame says his greatest moral failure was his failed first marriage.... oh yeah and porking cindy while he was still married to his first wife.
"1. Not have a Facebook account.
2.Doesn't plan on ever getting one."
Me
EkCenTriK
too (2)
When does the short track speed skating start?
macacawitz | 08.17.08 - 12:28 am | #
You missed it. All the participants drowned at the starting line....
hi mena.
nice to see you again.
don't piss me off, i'm crotchety today.
So, ten mìllion billion fucking aliens are crying about what now?
There has been one non-protestant US president and was a very protestant seeming catholic who only won because of dead people in Cook county
The numbers don't lie.
In fairness, he'd already won by the time Cook County came in, so belatedly. He won because of dead people in Texas and the choice of LBJ for vice-president.
I just hope Obama is paying attention.
hey monica!!
Bronco Billy is corny at times, but it gets better upon repeated viewings.
Maybe I'll watch all those Clint Eastwood movies again. I haven't seen Unforgiven in a long time.
"McCain had a fellow prisoner tap out the questions to him in advance."
Why do I see Principal Skinner doing the deed.
♥ ♥ ♥ ♥ ♥ mena! ♥ ♥ ♥ ♥ ♥
RAWK!
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"Maybe I'll watch all those Clint Eastwood movies again."
I loved pale rider
Well,
off to bed.
Now, when I say that Rick Warren can eat me, that may be petty and/or mean.
No, I think that's perfectly appropriate and the only thing that a thinking person can say.
When does the short track speed skating start?
macacawitz | 08.17.08 - 12:28 am | #
You missed it. All the participants drowned at the starting line....
pigboy
So they were Aggies, then?
He won because of dead people in Texas and the choice of LBJ for vice-president.
I just hope Obama is paying attention.
Little Boots | 08.17.08 - 12:30 am | #
err ...
maybe not the best parallel to draw, ya think?
I disagree. One quick race means nothing.
Eight races do mean something.
Watching McCain trying to scare everyone made me think of the line "Be not afraid", and I understood the phrasing for the first time.
It doesn't mean "Don't be afraid".
It means we should live our lives without fear.
How've you been, Ms Mena? I was asking about you just the other day.
I loved pale rider
Uncle Blodge, Urban Teacher | 08.17.08 - 12:31 am | #
high plains drifter
dirk - I'll do my best. Wanna hug?
I loved Bronco Billy. It was the movie that made me first think Eastwood wasn't a tool.
Since Obama is a protestant, I don't understand what you want him to remember.
McCain Returns Gay Sex Site Owner's Money, Owner Gives It To Obama
http://thepoliticalcarnival.blog...ite-
owners.html
maybe not the best parallel to draw, ya think?
Good point. Let's not stir up any demons.
Now, when I say that Rick Warren can eat me, that may be petty and/or mean.
From the looks of him he eats everything.
Which has mostly sucked for me since, oh, the early '80s.
I feel ya.
/Mets fan
Word.
theo. of athens, Reds fan | 08.17.08 - 12:23 am | #
Absolutely - still pissed at MLB 14 years after the strike...one of the best teams never to win a World Series. Oh and Jeffrey Loria - bite me.
It doesn't mean "Don't be afraid".
It means we should live our lives without fear.
Newton Minnow
"Be not a troll" means both.
Jeff Bezos on Cspan2 says it's his goal to have every book ever published in human history available to anyone from anywhere in less than 60 seconds.
McCain Returns Gay Sex Site Owner's Money, Owner Gives It To Obama
http://thepoliticalcarnival.blog...ite- owners.html
pigboy
No, I think that's perfectly appropriate and the only thing that a thinking person can say.
I was just saying last night that I found Warren disturbing, and his media characterization more so.
I'll do my best. Wanna hug?
yeah, that would be nice. besides, i could never be angry with you anyway. you have a wide latitude with me.
it didn't matter.
all that mattered is that when obama was asked when a baby had legal rights, he went into a thoughtful, serious explanation of tha balance between some peoples sense of morals and the rights of women to make their own choice (and came down on the side of women being treated as sapient adults)
mccain, asked the same question answered "at conception"
Ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding!
♥ ♥ ♥ ♥ ♥ Sallyh! ♥ ♥ ♥ ♥ ♥
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sallyh!!!
Now, when I say that Rick Warren can eat me, that may be petty and/or mean.
Isn 't he a homophobic Republican? He is probably making plane reservations to Larry Craig's restroom right now.
Rick Warren did not-- crucially-- ask Obama whether he supports a law to force everybody to be a Christian yet.
WTF?????????????????????????????????????????
Bezos says his original Amazon business plan was to make obscure books widely available.
I'm fine monica. How're things by you?
McCain Returns Gay Sex Site Owner's Money, Owner Gives It To Obama
But the guy from the gay sex site who gave the money to McCain stepped down from the company.
Hecate, now there's a no brainer.
When asked, I simply say, life is. It's continuous.
The sight of Phelps going up into the stands to hug his mom and sister was very touching.
"Be not a troll" means both.
Harry Doghiney
Verily, the heavens opened and shook and the troll fell to earth, flaming as he went...
Night, all
Peace.
Hi, Sallyh! Long time no chat.
Uncle B!
I'm only sticking around a few minutes. I'm exhausted.
♥ ♥ ♥ ♥ ♥ Sallyh! ♥ ♥ ♥ ♥ ♥
Ain't it the truth.
You know, it's pronounced "bay-jing," not "beige-ing" or "bay-zhing." There are probably Chinese people all over America watching the coverage and flipping out over this.
But the guy from the gay sex site who gave the money to McCain stepped down from the company.
masculine_monica_nyc
When asked whether he was embarrassed that he had been exposed for running a gay sex site, he replied, "No, I was embarrassed I had been exposed as a McCain supporter."
Funny that:
John McCain and the POW church riot
What the HELL is this? The man has been in public office for almost 30 years, wrote books and had a FREAKING LIFETIME MOVIE MADE OF HIS STORY, and NOW we hear about this, two days before a "Faith Forum"?
HARRISBURG, Pa. — They called it the church riot.
Sen. John McCain, who is known for his reticence and even discomfort invoking faith on the campaign trail, was once dubbed a "Hell's Angel" for rioting against his captors in Vietnam in order to hold Sunday church services.
http://thepoliticalcarnival.blog...hurch-
riot.html
I'm only sticking around a few minutes. I'm exhausted.
hopefully from partying w/ the girls
Night, DWD, but before you go ... this God thing, whatta ya think?
Hecate, busy busy busy. And we see Mlle and Maddy tomorrow (we're now visiting with them 3 days a week).
Mlle just moved out of her sober living rathole and into a nice apartment
Care for the Stoli I no longer drink? Someone has to drink my share
Too few questions asking Obama to painfully delve into deeply personal aspects of his life that are totally irrelevant to the job of President...
Getting better, Ms Mena.
McCain spokesman Jeff Grappone didn’t return multiple phone calls on the subject, and Crutchley has apparently been informed that his $2,300 will be returned.
Grappone and Crutchley: Porn Star Names
I read A Purpose-Driven Life a while back, largely so I could criticize it. It didn't overwhelm me, but I really found most of it rather basic stuff about being a good person. Seemed a bit Hallmarky but nothing terribly offensive.
rioting against his captors in Vietnam in order to hold Sunday church services.
And I am Marie of Romania.
When asked whether he was embarrassed that he had been exposed for running a gay sex site, he replied, "No, I was embarrassed I had been exposed as a McCain supporter."
Harry Doghiney (D-TX) | 08.17.08 - 12:36 am | #
OHHHH YESSSS
dirk, there was that. And extensive housecleaning. And class prep. And errands. And visiting Watts Towers today.
still 87 degrees in the house
Obama said he sinned on a regular basis-- that would have been a perfect opportunity to ask him to share his most recent week's sins with America to show his faith in the Lord.
Seemed a bit Hallmarky but nothing terribly offensive.
Triman | 08.17.08 - 12:37 am | #
that's how they get you.
Sallyh: Mlle just moved out of her sober living rathole and into a nice apartment
So happy to hear that you're still a part of their young lives.
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{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{dirk}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}
I can't watch the stuff going on like this jebusfest tonight. Had a depressing conversation with an old friend the other day, about why she couldn't vote for Obama. I'd long thought she had mostly gotten over her early racist upbringing. She hasn't.
he went into a thoughtful, serious explanation of tha balance between some peoples sense of morals and the rights of women to make their own choice
mccain, asked the same question answered "at conception"
That mattered to the fundegelicals. The vast majority of xtians aren't as retarded as they are, and they were also watching.
Since most a)americans call themselves xtian and b) most americans are in favor of abortion rights, there's only good to be had in stating support for a woman's right to choose in a religious context.
Care for the Stoli I no longer drink? Someone has to drink my share
Just leave it on the porch, like they used to do with milk. I'll be by in a bit.
Rick Warren = wimpy pinko
Sallyh
Give Maddy a hug for me! I've got G.Son sprawled out on my bed right now. You know, it's amazing how much chocolate ice cream one little boy can get on his shirt from just one tiny kid-sized scoop.
Sen. John McCain, who is known for his reticence and even discomfort invoking faith on the campaign trail, was once dubbed a "Hell's Angel" for rioting against his captors in Vietnam in order to hold Sunday church services.
It's getting deep in here.
rioting against his captors in Vietnam in order to hold Sunday church services.
And I am Marie of Romania.
Hecate, Runnymeade Conspirator | 08.17.08 - 12:37 am | #
I know what that's like.......
thanks, mena.
between that and sallyh's good news about mlle, i think i'll try bed again. quit while i'm ahead.
still 87 degrees in the house
Our local news told us we would know when it was going to cool off here by watching pdx, then add a day or two.
Erin, here too. godawful mugginess.
The first time John McCain met Vicky Iseman, he had a riot in his pants.
still 87 degrees in the house
ErinPDX | Homepage | 08.17.08 - 12:38 am | #
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It's freaking hot and humid.... glad it is only for a few days.
I asked my fundy whacko Mom why she could not cast a vote for Obama. She said:
#1...wrong side...#2 he doesn't see things as I do....#3 .his religious background
That's a direct quote from her e-mail.
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Erin
It's 73 here; hope you have some fans going!
You know, it's amazing how much chocolate ice cream one little boy can get on his shirt from just one tiny kid-sized scoop.
Hecate, Runnymeade Conspirator
It shows true pleasure of eating. When my daughter was 2 or so, she used to massage chicken noodle soup into her hair...
I disagree. One quick race means nothing.
Eight races do mean something.
I haven't been watching Phelps, except for that relay tonight. I wouldn't have been watching the sprinters either, except that I happened to be in front of the TV set.
But Jesus Christ, the man STARTED SLOWING DOWN fifty feet or so from the finish line, and he still blew the hell out of the world record. He beat the guy in second place by six or eight feet.
And he apparently didn't even care about the record; he just wanted to win the race.
I can't watch the stuff going on like this jebusfest tonight.
I didn't watch The Steeplechase (TM Culture of Truth) either. But the live-blogging here was enough to get a sense of the thing.
I just want to live in a country where church and state are separated. I was raised to imagine that wasn't so much to ask.
I asked my fundy whacko Mom why she could not cast a vote for Obama. She said:
#1...wrong side...#2 he doesn't see things as I do....#3 .his religious background
That's a direct quote from her e-mail.
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Jeffraham Prestonian
And yet, she produced you. So she's done some good for the world...
masculine_monica_nyc | 08.17.08 - 12:30 am | #
I just watched that recently. It gets better everytime you watch it.
It's really bleak and despairing.
I wonder what exactly "his religious background" means. Does she think he's actually a Muslim, or just that he was exposed to the horror of a non-Christian religion?
why she couldn't vote for Obama. I'd long thought she had mostly gotten over her early racist upbringing. She hasn't.
mena
So your friend has millions in the bank or does she just want to cut off her nose to spite her face?
Had a depressing conversation with an old friend the other day, about why she couldn't vote for Obama. I'd long thought she had mostly gotten over her early racist upbringing. She hasn't.
Frustrating.
ellroon: And yet, she produced you. So she's done some good for the world...
Well, her influence began to wane in my life at age 5, when she left my dad.
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Hecate, isn't being a grandma the best?
Hecate - that sounds like a very contented little boy there.
Steeplechase. hee.
she used to massage chicken noodle soup into her hair
We had pepperoni pizza and chocolate ice cream. Don't tell his 'rents.
I loved Bronco Billy. It was the movie that made me first think Eastwood wasn't a tool.
mena | 08.17.08 - 12:32 am | #
That film is one of Clint's personal favorites, too.
Now that it's basically been established that only Christians can run for president in America, I'm waiting for the Christian factions to turn on each other in earnest.
Little Boots: I wonder what exactly "his religious background" means. Does she think he's actually a Muslim, or just that he was exposed to the horror of a non-Christian religion?
I don't, and WON'T know.
Her #1 reason was "He doesn't wear my team's jersey," so who gives a fuck.
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Well, her influence began to wane in my life at age 5, when she left my dad.
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Jeffraham Prestonian
You grew up with your dad, then?
I wonder what exactly "his religious background" means.
Code for "secret Muslim."
They reconcile his longtime association with a Christian church by asserting that his "background" (i.e., upbringing) was Muslim. As we know, that is false. His father, who did not raise him, was a Muslim. When they say "background" they mean "heritage," and they consider his ancestors' religion relevant to their presidential selection.
They're fucking insane.
I'm waiting for the Christian factions to turn on each other in earnest.
From your keyboard to the Goddess' monitor.
Hecate, one of our roles is to sneak illicit food to our second generation offspring.
Grandparents and granchildren have a very special bond: we share a common enemy
Now that it's basically been established that only Christians can run for president in America, I'm waiting for the Christian factions to turn on each other in earnest.
The Know Nothings shall rise again!
I would never vote for a Browns fan for President.
We had pepperoni pizza and chocolate ice cream. Don't tell his 'rents.
Hecate, Runnymeade Conspirator
You are the bestest grandmom.
Little Boots, want some chocolate chip cookies with that vodka? I baked some.
ellroon: You grew up with your dad, then?
More with an evil stepmom, but yeah, sort-of.
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Bitch, stand tall. Plus if you don't quit your snivelling I'll knock the taste out of your mouth. But bitch, what can you say, I did that. No fucking more needs to be said.
I don't even discuss religion or politics with my family any more, nor with anyone I was friends with before the age of 35.
Suffice to say I will not be at all surprised if McCain wins this election. There are that many racist xenophobes left in our society; around here they're even Democrats. I went to a local Democratic fundraiser Thursday night, and I don't know that I could say that 80% of the people there will vote for Obama.
We had pepperoni pizza and chocolate ice cream. Don't tell his 'rents.
Hecate, Runnymeade Conspirator
Beware! That's a dangerous mix, too close to the ill-fated "pizza float" my friends and I invented.
Pizza good. Ice cream good. Coke good. Mix 'em all together in a blender, should be awesome right? No, it was vomit-inducing. I think the grease from the pepperoni didn't mix well with the ice cream...
I'm getting to the point where I don't want any more Christians occupying the Oval Office, unless they're the real deal. Jimmy Carter comes to mind.
Goodnight, p(Atriots). Spent the last hour reading a really good book of allegorical stories. Pick it up if you can. It's called the Bible. I'm pretty sure the stories couldn't have happened in a "real-world" sense, but it has some pretty good tips about how you should treat people. Like giving to the poor, not killing your neighbor, not making shit up just to start a war. Simple things. It's pretty strange being a Buddhist and picking up these things that Christian "scholars" seem to ignore.
Little Boots, want some chocolate chip cookies with that vodka? I baked some.
Heaven. (not to get all religious, or anything.)
I can't believe it has been 20 years since Eastwood directed "Bird" - that was one of my favorites.
So your friend has millions in the bank or does she just want to cut off her nose to spite her face?
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I'm afraid it's that she has neither the brians, the guts or the character that I wish I could give her credit for. Like I said, depressing.
Now that it's basically been established that only Christians can run for president in America, I'm waiting for the Christian factions to turn on each other in earnest.
Dude, you haven't been paying attention. The one thing that all Christians have in common is a love for arguing about who's a real Christian and who isn't.
More with an evil stepmom, but yeah, sort-of.
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Jeffraham Prestonian
Being a step-mom, I'm sorry and sending apologetic cyber hugs your way.
George Johnston | Homepage | 08.17.08 - 12:48 am | #
One of the greatest jazz films ever made, possibly the greatest (there aren't that many).
one of our roles is to sneak illicit food to our second generation offspring.
We had so much fun. He kept telling me: I want my piece big, Nonna, cuz his rents cut it up into pieces for him. If I can make someone that happy by letting him make a mess w a big piece of pizza, geeze, stand back, girls, I'll show you trouble.
Just before he went to sleep, we went out to look at the moon, which is full tonight and glorious as only a full moon just before a blue moon can be. He said to me, "It's pretty and it's good."
Like giving to the poor, not killing your neighbor, not making shit up just to start a war. Simple things. It's pretty strange being a Buddhist and picking up these things that Christian "scholars" seem to ignore.
Monica_A: Dammit! | 08.17.08 - 12:48 am | #
That's close to one of Warren's sillier lines. Something like "How could I have been a preacher so long and not have noticed all the stuff about the poor in the bible?"
Really said it.
The one thing that all Christians have in common is a love for arguing about who's a real Christian and who isn't.
Brian: Are you the Judean People's Front?
Reginald: Fuck off! We're the People's Front of Judea!
theo. of athens, Reds fan | 08.17.08 - 12:49 am | #
They've been arguing with each other ever since Christ died.
The Know Nothings shall rise again!
They did that back in '92, didn't they?
Teh most trusted name in news....
CNN asks if Obama is the anti-Christ -- just in time for Rev. Rick Warren's "Civil Forum"
http://www.americablog.com/2008/...nti-
christ.html
Simple things. It's pretty strange being a Buddhist and picking up these things that Christian "scholars" seem to ignore.
Monica_A: Dammit!
Exactly. What happened to God is Love?
ellroon: Being a step-mom, I'm sorry and sending apologetic cyber hugs your way.
S'ok. We're all dealt a set of cards, and there's no guarantee that life with the original nuclear fambily would have come to better fruition!
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"How could I have been a preacher so long and not have noticed all the stuff about the poor in the bible?"
Really said it.
rootless-e | 08.17.08 - 12:50 am | #
That's depressing and disgusting (on Warren's part, not yours). You mean the Bible has other things in it other than hating fags and pro-choicers?
Dude, you haven't been paying attention.
Yes I have. The different sects haven't begun savaging each other on the political stage. Right now they're united against the "secular progressives".
I can't believe it has been 20 years since Eastwood directed "Bird" - that was one of my favorites.
Hard to find on DVD, IIRC.
Although there is a dichotomy in the book that no one seems to talk about. God is really adamant about not killing, but then he tells his followers to kill wizards and sorceresses. What's up with that? I get the "you shall worship no other god before me", but willy nilly killing? Come on! There has to be a better way of dealing with our differences.
He said to me, "It's pretty and it's good."
Hecate, Runnymeade Conspirator
You have a very wise little boy there..
They reconcile his longtime association with a Christian church by asserting that his "background" (i.e., upbringing) was Muslim. As we know, that is false. His father, who did not raise him, was a Muslim. When they say "background" they mean "heritage," and they consider his ancestors' religion relevant to their presidential selection.
They're fucking insane.
Yeah, that's the implication I get from that. And yes, no question, they are nuts. But a particular kind of nuts, and I really, really hope McCain picks Romney for Veep, just to see the crazy turn on itself.
"Russians 'advancing on Tbilisi'
Georgian captives are reportedly being used to clear debris in South Ossetia [AFP]
Russian forces are advancing towards Tbilisi, according to the Georgian government, despite a fragile ceasefire being agreed by the two sides.
The reports on Sunday come hours after Russian troops were seen beginning to withdraw from Kaspi and Igoeti, towns close to the Georgian capital.
Fighters from the breakaway region of Abkhazia, who are backed by Moscow, have also taken control of 13 Georgian villages and a hydropower plant, according to the Tbilisi government."
http://english.aljazeera.net/
new...3730798306.html
Hecate, the other day, Mlle was asking Maddy what various animals say. Maddy knows all of them. Then Mlle asked, what do mommies say? Maddy answered, laughing, no no no!
I howled.
Speaking of Christians what is up with that whole ritual cannibalism thing about Christ's body and blood?
masculine_monica_nyc | 08.17.08 - 12:52 am | #
It's available from amazon.
Then Mlle asked, what do mommies say? Maddy answered, laughing, no no no!
You know what daddies say: Ask your mommy.
The different sects haven't begun savaging each other on the political stage. Right now they're united against the "secular progressives".
puppethead
Exactly. What gets me is the presumption that when the wall between church and state comes crashing down, it will be their religion that will be the one.
What on earth would guarantee that?
That's why Europe went through all those hundred year wars to prove whose church was best of all....
And nobody ever won.
Local wingnut
ellroon presuming | Homepage | 08.17.08 - 12:55 am | #
All that "my god is better than your god".
I disagree. One quick race means nothing.
Eight races do mean something.
Yes. But don't forget -- Bolt's best event is the 200 m. And with no Tyson Gay to worry about, he is a prohibitive favorite. And Jamaica is a favorite to win the relay
Sweet dreams, Moonbats. May you wander in dreams in a perfect city, streets of water up to your ankles and mosaics below your feet, minarets and turrets and sky bridges up above the trees. Symphonies n the parks and children playing game around sculptural fountains that dot the city. May you meet wise people and graceful dancers and elven jugglers and the odd old woman who offers to tell your fortune. Once she's told it, help her into her house on chicken feet and wish Baba Yaga well.
Local wingnut take on Saddlebags, w/my comments.
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Then Mlle asked, what do mommies say? Maddy answered, laughing, no no no!
I howled.
Sallyh, Grandmere Poissonniere
Don't forget the fundamentalists insatiable need to convert others to their way of worship... if that's what you want to call it.
God is really adamant about not killing, but then he tells his followers to kill wizards and sorceresses.
God, or at least Yahweh, is pretty damn bloodthirsty. Between the sacrifices and the genocides, there's not a lot of peace going on in the old Testament. But I will give them credit for actually giving a shit about the poor now and then.
Monica_A: Dammit! Jaysus changed everything, right?
Actually, the dichotomy is between JC and the damned Paulines, from what I understand it.
The Outlaw Josey Wales....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J...h?
v=JL9HsfGJ5c4
A 38 year old woman won the marathon.
Sleep well, dear friends.
Actually, the dichotomy is between JC and the damned Paulines, from what I understand it.
atablarasa
Paul was a complete douchebag.
"How could I have been a preacher so long and not have noticed all the stuff about the poor in the bible?"
Really said it.
rootless-e
Hell, that's terrific progress for a Christian preacher. Damn few of them seem to have reached even that stage yet.
Of course Warren's immediate reaction to this revelation was to ask "How can I make a buck off of this discovery?" And sadly enough, he found one.
Xan: Of course Warren's immediate reaction to this revelation was to ask "How can I make a buck off of this discovery?" And sadly enough, he found one.
Thee jamest out with thine clam out!
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i fuked that up
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Old Testament God is as bad as Roman gods when it comes to interfering with humans and causing death and destruction.
New Testament God in the guise of Jesus is the one who talks about all the good, kind stuff.
American Christians like to think of themselves as New Testament faithful, but they always resort to the Old Testament to justify their bigotry and intolerance.
Oh, and talking about bloodthirsty - if you're going to decide that the world needs a reset, and you're God, why would you choose to drown the world?
How bloodthirsty is that?
Well, a quick drop-in, as I said. Sweet dreams, all.
Yes I have. The different sects haven't begun savaging each other on the political stage. Right now they're united against the "secular progressives".
I don't think you'll see it. Just because they all have the same political outlook doesn't mean they're united. They're all afraid of anyone outside their own little circle; ecumenism is for liberals.
If they were really working together, you wouldn't see the sort of discomfort that a lot of them have about Romney. The LDS and the Southern Baptists have enough political interests in common that there shouldn't be any such misgivings if there really was some sort of alliance.
i fuked that up
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Jeffraham Prestonian
I was kinda puzzled.... 'course you started out talking about "riding dirty" and i haven't even figured that one out yet, so i am obviously easily confused.
mena: Well, a quick drop-in, as I said. Sweet dreams, all.
Before getting nekkid on the webcam, even. Hrmph. 
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Unforgiven...the final death dance...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5...h?
v=5SO5VO2ixWY
If they were really working together, you wouldn't see the sort of discomfort that a lot of them have about Romney.
LDS isn't Christian, that's the big rub there.
Ridin' Dirty.
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Rick Warren should have just straight-up asked Obama if he is gay-- just got that out on the table there.
LDS isn't Christian, that's the big rub there.
True, but the really big rub is they say they are.
puppethead | Homepage | 08.17.08 - 1:01 am | #
It's like The New Testament doesn't exist.
If you motherfuckers deign to kill one witch or wizard I'll fucking come down and kill everyone of you worthless bitches.
Rick Warren should have just straight-up asked Obama if he is gay-- just got that out on the table there.
Why? Did he pick an ABBA song as his all-time favorite or something?
But if we're gonna restart any politicla movements, fuck the Know Nothings, they were just anti-immigrant (and occasionally Anti-Masonic) whackaloons.
We need to restart the Locofocos.
(not the best explanation but the first one i ran across. My kind a people anyway, and not just because they were into matches, a new invention at the time.)
Swan | Homepage | 08.17.08 - 1:05 am | #
If Warren asked that, I would say "no. Are you? Many right wing preachers turn out to be gay, like Ted Haggard. Why do you think that is?".
But then, I ain't runnin' for president.
Swan - You realize that I think you're a fucking idiot, right?
If not, I think you're a fucking idiot.
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If Moses was alive today instead of using stone tablets would he have posted YouTube videos?
I'm just kidding w/ all my suggestions for R.W., by the way-- I'm just making fun of what our media has become.
"Cheney/Satan '08"
I think the ticket has to be comprised of two different people...
Jeffraham Prestonian, I'm not that-- you are an idiot.
There's not much more to say about it.
LDS isn't Christian, that's the big rub there.
True, but the really big rub is they say they are.
I was Church of the Nazarene for eight years, Methodist for fifteen, and Episcopalian for twelve. I figure there ain't no point in asserting that anyone who calls himself Christian isn't.
This is exactly what I mean; the one thing that all Christians love to do is point fingers at each other and sort out the acceptably Christian from the pretenders who aren't really. I've had a couple of fairly bitter arguments with Snow about this; he seems to think that everyone should keep track of which Christians are good ones and which ones bad, and I no longer give a shit. In my book, if you're a Christian, you're aligned with these people you were watching tonight.
"Cheney/Satan '08"
chip off the ol' block eh?
Obama told Pastor Warren his greatest moral failures were leaving his church and voting for FISA.
Ahhhh... go away on vacation for a couple of weeks and come back to the same old shit...
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Manny fans it, Dodgers lose
This is exactly what I mean; the one thing that all Christians love to do is point fingers at each other and sort out the acceptably Christian from the pretenders who aren't really.
Hard to escape 2000 years of tradition.
Blergh. Obama shouldn't have gone to this thing to start out with. And he should have told them why.
"I won't go to a place where bigotry is still OK, nay, encouraged."
Most evangelical Protestant churches put women in second-class (or worse) positions. We know how evangelical Protestant churches feel about GLBT persons. And, if you happen to belong to a minority religion whose beliefs do not mesh with those of, say, Rick Warren and Saddleback Church, well, they will look down at you and cluck sadly as they tell you you're going to hell.
It was wrong to have this shindig in a church. Even though I'm a disaffected member of my minority religious group, there's no way I would have felt comfortable among a bunch of evangelical Protestants who would think I'm going to hell because of my Mormon background. I can't even imagine what it must be like to be Jewish, Muslim, Wiccan or of no religious belief whatsoever. What an alienating experience.
And Rick Warren Doesn't Get It At All. Rick, these guys are going to be the president of the whole United States, not just Saddleback Church of a bunch of overprivileged white people in Orange County, California.
Ahhhh... go away on vacation for a couple of weeks and come back to the same old shit...
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Yes, and me too.
Yes, but are they Old Testamentians, Jesustians, or just day-old fishtians?
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Yes, but are they Old Testamentians, Jesustians, or just day-old fishtians?
Don't forget the Paultards ... or is that something else?
if you're going to decide that the world needs a reset, and you're God, why would you choose to drown the world?
How bloodthirsty is that?
atablarasa
Mebee jeebuzgod thought they was thirsty?
RE: Obama's TV thing tonight.
If you want people to vote for you, you don't do it by ignoring them and denigrating them and disrespecting them.
You go to them, you let them get to know you, and you politely and respectfully ask them to vote for you.
That's part of Dean's '50 State Strategy'.
How many people tonight saw that Obama was not the antichrist muslim flagburning throatcutting terrorist that he's been made out to be?
It didn't hurt him one little bit, and I wager that it will, in the long run, help him in the campaign and election.
Yes, and me too.
Little Boots
And I mean that most sincere...
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Ahhhh... go away on vacation for a couple of weeks and come back to the same old shit...
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Just because we haven't hammered out world peace yet...
A woman just olympic snatched 308 pounds on CNBC. World record. Clean and jerk up next.
Ahhhh... go away on vacation for a couple of weeks and come back to the same old shit...
I LOVE THIS PLACE!
There's always something new.
Ed Hale told me he hopes I have piles of cash, cause he says his shit is copywirghted and I can't use any of it.
Even after I showed him the fair use section of Title 1.
Chris Tucker: It didn't hurt him one little bit, and I wager that it will, in the long run, help him in the campaign and election.
[taps nose]
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A woman just olympic snatched 308 pounds on CNBC. World record. Clean and jerk up next.
dwight
This sounds faintly obscene...
Just because we haven't hammered out world peace yet...
Missed it by THAT much! (By the by, was that Get Smart movie any good?)
Mebee jeebuzgod thought they was thirsty?
I had a little kitten that I tried to give a drink by putting it in a rain barrel, but, damn, I was 5 at the time!
Blergh. Obama shouldn't have gone to this thing to start out with. And he should have told them why.
"I won't go to a place where bigotry is still OK, nay, encouraged."
He won't do that because, in a very real sense, he is one of them. You can belong to a liberal church (like the UCC) and still be an evangelical.
Many, if not most, Christians, consider their first loyalty to the church and their second to the human race at large. I know I did when I was a Christian.
Awwww!
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I figure there ain't no point in asserting that anyone who calls himself Christian isn't.
If you follow a different messiah I think it's safe to say you're not Christian. If all it takes is making the Bible part of your cannon then Muslims would be Christian.
Ed Hale told me he hopes I have piles of cash, cause he says his shit is copywirghted and I can't use any of it.
Even after I showed him the fair use section of Title 1.
Barry from Alaska 01-20-09
If it's copywirghted you have nothing to worry about...
Just got back from Key Largo where I speared a 308 pound snatch -er- TARPON.
Sorry.
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Don't those little bitches know every fucking thing about killing and don't they just fucking know it.
Youngsters, there will come a day when you suddenly realize you are attending more funerals than weddings.
If you follow a different messiah I think it's safe to say you're not Christian. If all it takes is making the Bible part of your cannon then Muslims would be Christian.
Damn, wouldn't that solve a lot of problems!
I wanna go ridin' dirty. On the Vino.
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Youngsters, there will come a day when you suddenly realize you are attending more funerals than weddings.
Troutski, BTW
I only have one suit, and it's black. Works for everything.
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I have no suits.
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I have no suits.
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Jeffraham Prestonian
black trash bags work...
I have no suits.
I think you're supposed to bet No Trump then, but I could be wrong.
I have no suits.
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Jeffraham Prestonian
Well, mine does have tails and a big water-squirting daisy, but remember... "funeral" starts with "fun"!
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ellroon: black trash bags work...
You lie.
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If it's copywirghted you have nothing to worry about...
ellroon presuming
One of my fellow thorns in ed's hiney pointed him to Savage vs CAIR, where Savage lost big time.
Do you have a link to Ed Hale?
I have only one dress. Which, when I get back from my sixty cents a day job, I wash it. When I get up in the morning and put it on wet. Just so I can send you thirty cents.
making the Bible part of your cannon
Every so often, I love a typo.
Do you have a link to Ed Hale?
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Yes.
If you follow a different messiah I think it's safe to say you're not Christian. If all it takes is making the Bible part of your cannon then Muslims would be Christian.
Fine. If you find it useful to differentiate, go right ahead. I don't see any point in it.
But to be fair to the Mormons, they follow the same messiah that the rest of the Christians do. Their roots are in Christianity, and there is a fairly continuous spectrum of belief reaching from mainstream Christian to Utah LDS.
The LDS merely have some historical and theological beliefs that other Christians consider strange, although it's difficult to understand why Jesus making a second coming to Mexico would be any stranger than some of the things you can read in the King James Bible.
www.hcsfjm.com
Yes.
Can you post it? What's the name of his blog?
The LDS merely have some historical and theological beliefs that other Christians consider strange, although it's difficult to understand why Jesus making a second coming to Mexico would be any stranger than some of the things you can read in the King James Bible.
theo. of athens, Reds fan
Lost golden tablets, translation rocks for a start kinda set it apart.
Can you post it? What's the name of his blog?
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He's pretty quick on the delete trigger for any posts he even suspects are from Obama folks.
Jeffra, your taste in motor vehicles is most admirable. Your taste in music on the other hand....
...um, let's just say it differs from my own. There having been entirely enough intra-blog discord I am not about to add to it for anything this unimportant.
in fact I shall just go drink and read some more of "1491" which is most excellent. Night all.
Many, if not most, Christians, consider their first loyalty to the church and their second to the human race at large. I know I did when I was a Christian. - theo. of athens, Reds fan
that explains away my amazement that the Church cares more about those who can't afford gas to drive than those who can't afford healthcare to live ...
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Lost golden tablets, translation rocks for a start kinda set it apart.
Yeah, they're loons, but in fairness they're just cribbing from Gnosticism, which may have been the original Christianity.
It didn't hurt him one little bit, and I wager that it will, in the long run, help him in the campaign and election.
Chris Tucker
I agree. He can't just speak to the choir all the time (pun intended, with apologies)
that explains away my amazement that the Church cares more about those who can't afford gas to drive than those who can't afford healthcare to live ...
I honestly would love to know what this means. What church is talking about gas prices and avoiding health care?
Xan: Jeffra, your taste in motor vehicles is most admirable. Your taste in music on the other hand....
...um, let's just say it differs from my own. There having been entirely enough intra-blog discord I am not about to add to it for anything this unimportant.
S'ok. I manage to be 180° out-of-phase with simels, and still hang out here... and you KNOW what his sockpuppet army is like!
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Yeah, they're loons, but in fairness they're just cribbing from Gnosticism, which may have been the original Christianity.
Little Boots
Ya gotta remember the environment it was spawned in, upstate New York at the time was full of 'new' religions. Just Joe Smith was a better snake oil salesman than the rest.
Be-fucking-otches. I want some some fucking coming and going music. And I really mean motherfucking coming and motherfucking going.
S'ok. I manage to be 180° out-of-phase with simels, and still hang out here... and you KNOW what his sockpuppet army is like!
Is this a feud? This place doesn't have enough feuds!
this is a trailer for An American Carol, a film by David Zucker. I liked Zucker's work on the Naked Gun films, but this trailer (which is supposed to mock the left, well, you see) is bracingly unfunny.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?
v=h...feature=related
It's a real film, by the way.
Little Boot: Is this a feud? This place doesn't have enough feuds!
No. I stopped taking my tastes in music personally back in 1985. I mean... Fuck ya if you don't like what I like, but I'm not gonna try to convince ya.
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Olympic weightlifting is one of the best exercises you can do, if you can learn the proper techniques, but you wouldn't know that from looking at these athletes
I've been reading about an American Carol. Too, too, moronically funny. I kinda can't wait and I'm seriously thinking I want to see it.
You want to tell them they're doing it wrong?
Hope you have a last will.
No. I stopped taking my tastes in music personally back in 1985. I mean... Fuck ya if you don't like what I like, but I'm not gonna try to convince ya.
Fine. Not nearly as fun as a feud. But fine, I guess.
Fine. Not nearly as fun as a feud. But fine, I guess.
Little Boots
Just don't ask anyone to mail back the CD, ok?
{{{runs for the woods}}}
Little Boots: Fine. Not nearly as fun as a feud. But fine, I guess.
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Ya gotta remember the environment it was spawned in, upstate New York at the time was full of 'new' religions. Just Joe Smith was a better snake oil salesman than the rest.
True. Burned Over District. Was that the phrase. I'm too lazy to google.
But to be fair to the Mormons, they follow the same messiah that the rest of the Christians do.
Joseph Smith? Uh, no.
No. I stopped taking my tastes in music personally back in 1985. I mean... Fuck ya if you don't like what I like, but I'm not gonna try to convince ya.
Fine. Not nearly as fun as a feud. But fine, I guess.
Fine, then. If you don't like bagpipes and accordion music, you ain't shit! Oh, and Tiny Bubbles was the greatest song of all time.
For the record, I'm blasting the title track from The Peter Brotzmann Octet's album The Maching Gun Sessions.
Most people would balk at that stuff, even jazz aficianados (sp).
I could learn to like bagpipes, I think. (okay, probably not.)
atablarasa | 08.17.08 - 1:42 am | #
I like accordion music and bagpipes, for the record, especially accordion. Tex-Mex accordions.
All music that you have heard? Sux.
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Well, I just threw that out, but I've loved the pipes ever since I saw the Black Watch when I was about 10. And Bela Fleck can definitely get around the keys...
I like accordion music and bagpipes, for the record, especially accordion. Tex-Mex accordions.
Janeane The Acerbic Goblin
I'm kinda partial to 5th grade beginner all Oboe and Bassoon Band music.
Just don't ask anyone to mail back the CD, ok?
Barry from Alaska 01-20-09 | Homepage | 08.17.08 - 1:40 am
Rich Orange County Republican Xtians rave over McCain, polite applause for Obama....
Hope someone in the Obama campaign figures out that having a paying audience for this (500 bucks a pop, minimum ???) might not have been a good idea.
But, as digby sez , there's more to it.
Fifty years ago, one guy in the media could successfully cut the legs out from under a nasty little prick like Joe McCarthy. Now, corporate media is embracing all manner of nasty little pricks....
The rich Xtians are part of the problem, but, they're not all of the problem, not by a long shot.
I'm kinda partial to 5th grade beginner all Oboe and Bassoon Band music.
Barry from Alaska 01-20-09 | Homepage | 08.17.08 - 1:46 am | #
That would be almost all partials.
All music that you have heard? Sux.
It's true. i look forward to the Country-Muslim-Anglo-Rap-Motown-Kenyan opening number at Obama's inauguration.
Top that motherfucker, and yes I mean you motherfucker, sitting at your keyboard all motherfucking unassuming.
Le Jackal is my BFF
< SIGH > Bed time. Gonna go for a drive tomorrow for the first time in ages, if all goes well.
The rich Xtians are part of the problem, but, they're not all of the problem, not by a long shot.
montag
But now, how many other mega church dudes are gonna want to have a shot at national exposure like tonight?
This doesn't bode well as precedent.
Ya gotta remember the environment it was spawned in, upstate New York at the time was full of 'new' religions. Just Joe Smith was a better snake oil salesman than the rest.
Barry from Alaska 01-20-09 | Homepage | 08.17.08 - 1:34 am
shakers did better furniture and the amana colonies did better refrigerators.
It's true. i look forward to the Country-Muslim-Anglo-Rap-Motown-Kenyan opening number at Obama's inauguration.
Little Boots
Me too,... the inauguration.
I'm kinda partial to 5th grade beginner all Oboe and Bassoon Band music.
Barry from Alaska 01-20-09
ahh yes, Peter and the Wolf Band - i heard them open up for "A Christmas Carol, reading by Rex Harrison" in '76 ...
Joseph Smith? Uh, no.
OK, one more and I'm done.
Not Joseph Smith, Jesus Christ. That's why they call it "The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints".
Joseph Smith is referred to as "the Prophet". This is no different than the sorts of titles you can see in all sorts of one-off baptist, apostolic, and nondenominational churches today, and the role Smith played in his church is not really all that different from the role Oral Roberts played in his church, or the role Jim Jones played in his, or even the roles that Rick Warren, Joel Osteen, and many other famous nondenominational pastors play in their churches today. Evangelical Christianity is very much an antrepreneurial business, and Joseph Smith was a very successful entrepreneur, until he got himself killed.
shakers did better furniture and the amana colonies did better refrigerators.
Tom - 大肚腩
True that, but Morgans got control of Howard Hughes for a while.
Me, bed, nao!
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shakers did better furniture and the amana colonies did better refrigerators.
Clearly we need a charismatic Christian devoted to hybrids and solar energy. Where the hell is he, or she?
Not Joseph Smith, Jesus Christ. That's why they call it "The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints".
They hide their true religion inside the cloak of being Christian. It's part of the snake oil sales.
Night, all.
Clearly we need a charismatic Christian devoted to hybrids and solar energy. Where the hell is he, or she?
Little Boots
I guess there is a growing bunch of the smaller churches that are saying, "Hey, saving the planet isn't a bad thing, lets do it."
But not the mega churches.
See ya JP.
And so to bed!
But not the mega churches.
They'll come around, when that's where the money is.
Clearly we need a charismatic Christian devoted to hybrids and solar energy. Where the hell is he, or she?
Little Boots | 08.17.08 - 1:53 am
If the Amana Colonies were around now, you can be damn sure they'd be doing hybrids and solar.
and I could have sworn Peter Wolf was a 'BCN DJ and former lead singer for J Geils.
night, all.
But now, how many other mega church dudes are gonna want to have a shot at national exposure like tonight?
This doesn't bode well as precedent.
Oh, I agree. At least Rod Parsley and John Hagee are out, because of perceived bias.
I've said many times that what's going on with the GOP and the Xtians is cross-branding. Until the Dems figure out how to break that linkage (if they ever can), events like tonight will just reinforce the GOP.
According to Rick Warren, his call to full-time ministry came as a 19-year-old student at California Baptist when, in November 1973, Warren and a friend skipped out on classes and drove 350 miles to hear W. A. Criswell preach at the Jack Tar Hotel in San Francisco.
the role Smith played in his church is not really all that different from the role Oral Roberts played in his church, or the role Jim Jones played in his, or even the roles that Rick Warren, Joel Osteen, and many other famous nondenominational pastors play in their churches today.
theo. of athens, Reds fan | 08.17.08 - 1:52 am
So folks in Rick Warren's church consider the Purpose Driven Life to be a few add on chapters to The Bible a la the Book of Mormon?
Clearly we need a charismatic Christian devoted to hybrids and solar energy. Where the hell is he, or she?
Little Boots
why would a Christian God place most of the good oil under the Muslim Countries?
Oh, not just the smaller churches, Barry, the mainline protestants have been on board with ecology & climate-change stuff for quite some time. Except, see, they're the polite mailine protestants, so they don't get any attention from the press at all.
Interestingly, they do get attention from the Dems, or so I hear. A couple years ago a group of prominent congressional Dems convened a little chat with some of the prominent liberal mainline protestant types to talk about how to talk to voters of faith.
why would a Christian God place most of the good oil under the Muslim Countries?
focus, lost in words | 08.17.08 - 1:59 am
every good crusader knows those aren't muslim countries. they just happen to be currently inhabited by muslims.
Saddleback's first public service was held on Easter Sunday, April 6, 1980, with two hundred people in attendance at the Laguna Hills High School Theater. Warren's church growth methods led to rapid growth. The church has used nearly eighty different facilities in its 28-year history.
Saddleback did not build its first permanent building until it had 10,000 weekly attenders. When the current Lake Forest campus was purchased in the early 1990's, a 2,300 seat plastic tent was used for worship services for several years, with four services each weekend. In 1995, the current Worship Center was completed with a seating capacity of 3,500. The multi-million dollar Children's Ministry Center and staff office building were completed over the next few years. In June 2008, a $20 million student ministry facility called the Refinery, was completed. The Refinery houses the middle school (Wildside) and high school (HSM) ministries, consisting of nearly 1,500 students.
TCM is worth it.
Thank you, Mr. Ted.
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prominent congressional Dems convened a little chat with some of the prominent liberal mainline protestant types to talk about how to talk to voters of faith.
And of course Dems do great with mainline voters of faith. That's the overwhelming majority of voters in the US, and we control the House, the Senate, and stand poised to win the white house.
Avoiding religious voters because it "reinforces republicans" is silly.
Rick Warren was named one of "America's Top 25 Leaders" in the October 31, 2005 issue of U.S. News and World Report. Warren was elected by TIME magazine as one of 15 World Leaders Who Mattered Most in 2004 and one of the "100 Most Influential People in the World" (2005). Newsweek magazine called him one of "15 People Who Make America Great", an award given to people who, through bravery or generosity, genius or passion, devote themselves to helping others
CNN used to be worth it, too.
Elmer Gantry had a better haircut.
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Warren no longer takes a salary from Saddleback Church and has repaid all of his salary from the last 25 years back to the church, due to the success of his book sales. He says he now "reverse tithes", meaning giving away 90% of his income and living off of 10%.
So folks in Rick Warren's church consider the Purpose Driven Life to be a few add on chapters to The Bible a la the Book of Mormon?
You're saying "Bible" as if it was a well-defined document. Protestants, Catholics, and Episcopalians all have different bibles, without taking into consideration all the noncanonical books ("Gnostic gospels", among others) that are just as reasonable and relevant as the ones that made it into the new testament canon, not to mention all the patristic writings that came afterwards.
You're also pretending that there's a great deal of agreement among "mainstream" Christians as to the inspiration and authority of scripture.
Clearly there are people here who are very much invested in labeling Mormons as non-Christian. As I've said, I don't see the point, possibly because I no longer see myself as a Christian.
As I recall, W.A. Criswell was one of the first Southern Baptist preachers to embrace the "God wants you be wealthy" routine in a big way (they actually teach classes in it at Criswell's First Street Baptist Church).
So, in some ways, Warren fits right in with the Criswell message by selling tickets to the highest bidders....
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You're saying "Bible" as if it was a well-defined document. Protestants, Catholics, and Episcopalians all have different bibles, without taking into consideration all the noncanonical books ("Gnostic gospels", among others) that are just as reasonable and relevant as the ones that made it into the new testament canon, not to mention all the patristic writings that came afterwards.
theo. of athens, Reds fan | 08.17.08 - 2:07 am
Oh puhleeeze, the differences between the Catholics, Lutherans and Episcopalians are minor compared to the obvious differences in beliefs with Mormons.
The comparison to the other 18th and 19th century charismatic churches is much more apt.
And Rick Warren and company aren't Mary Baker Eddy or Joseph Smith, but more like the tent revivalist preachers of that period.
Doesn't it seem like most of these evangelicals have never read the Bible? Thing is, I know for a fact that many of them do. They definitely need to work on their reading comprehension skillz.
Doesn't it seem like most of these evangelicals have never read the Bible? Thing is, I know for a fact that many of them do. They definitely need to work on their reading comprehension skillz.
What's funny is when they tell you that they just read the straight text with no interpretation. "Literalism", they say. Until you get to "if thy right eye offend thee, pluck it out!". Or hell, "turn the other cheek". All of a sudden it ain't so literal.
Chillacks baby, because it rests there in your hand, its cold and its eternal and its never going away.
Oh, yeah, that "literal" bit is just so much hooey. But they get deeply weirded out if you try to tell them that, say, Job is a parable or Esther is a novella. Deeply. Vocally. Scares 'em out of their wits -- mostly because they haven't learned a thing since catechism class when they were 12 years old.
Doesn't it seem like most of these evangelicals have never read the Bible?
If one is encouraged to read selectively, one is bound to come away from it with some strange ideas. The primary one, of course, is that the entirety of the Bible is the inerrant word of God, immutable and inviolate, and yet, much of it can be safely ignored by the faithful, and can be "interpreted" in such a way as to render large chunks of it meaningless.
That, to me, is one of the principal inconsistencies of modern evangelical thought.
Maybe, religion and polyester make for a bad combination.
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Sunday, August 17, 2008
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One thing I really liked about the book was you reminded people of how strongly allied the American conservative movement was with the apartheid regime in the 1980s. Did the depth of that association surprise you, or did you know about that going in?
I did not know about that going in, and it did surprise me, and I was shocked the first time I came across it in my research. And I would bring it up with people that I was interviewing and they would be embarrassed by it. It's a chapter in American conservatism that they would probably rather forget.
Why is it that, so many decades later, liberals are still labeled 'hippies' or 'socialists' and 'Hanoi Jane' is still trotted out as a punching bag, but conservatives get a free ride on so many of their past misdeeds?
Oh, gosh, I wish I knew the answer to that. A lot of it is that they're so much better at playing the game. You gotta remember, conservatism is an organic expression of American business. It's an organic expression of the most powerful element of American society. There are other parts of the coalition — the blue collar conservatives that I wrote about (in "Kansas") — but that's where it comes from. And it gets results; they aren't fooling around. Liberalism just doesn't seem to have that kind of drive and that kind of force behind it anymore.
http://www.statesman.com/life/co.../
0817frank.html
Nope, it don't.
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I'm thinking about starting my own megachurch. Or at least a kilochurch.
I'ze back, had to take a break to watch the swimming race everyone else saw 4 hours ago.
Liberalism just doesn't seem to have that kind of drive and that kind of force behind it anymore.
Nope, it don't.
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QuentinCompson, Negatory | Homepage | 08.17.08 - 2:26 am
which is why the movement conservatives in Kansas thought they were powerful enough to purge the middle.
Now the movement conservatives are losing to Democrats once again in Kansas, as the folks recognize that the Club for Growth and their ilk do not have rank and file Kansans' best life in mind.
Nope, it don't.
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QuentinCompson, Negatory |
But - why? Why don't it?
Now the movement conservatives are losing to Democrats once again in Kansas, as the folks recognize that the Club for Growth and their ilk do not have rank and file Kansans' best life in mind.
Tom - 大肚腩
It's going to happen in rural Ohio too, from what I'm seeing with all my visits to Wilmington. The McCain DHL deal isn't setting well at all there.
Over 400,000 pastors and church leaders from around the world have attended a seminar or conference led by Warren and other pastors who share best practices as they seek to be more effective in fulfilling the Great Commission and the Great Commandment.
Over the years, Christian leaders in 162 countries have used materials which stem from this movement. Through this organization over 400,000 ministers and priests have been trained worldwide in his theology and practical methods. 189,000 church leaders subscribe to Ministry Toolbox, the weekly newsletter.
Rick Warren was named one of "America's Top 25 Leaders" in the October 31, 2005 issue of U.S. News and World Report. Warren was elected by TIME magazine as one of 15 World Leaders Who Mattered Most in 2004 and one of the "100 Most Influential People in the World" (2005). Newsweek magazine called him one of "15 People Who Make America Great", an award given to people who, through bravery or generosity, genius or passion, devote themselves to helping others
jsp | 08.17.08 - 2:04 am
speaks volumes about the ills of American mainstream corporate news as exemplified by Time, Newsweek and US Spews and World Distort.
speaks volumes about the ills of American mainstream corporate news as exemplified by Time, Newsweek and US Spews and World Distort.
Tom - 大肚腩
How many times would we have to clone Lou Grant and restaff all the editors desks?
McCain got a lot of mileage tonight out of confessing his sins when he cheated on his first wife and hooked up with Cindy. He glossed it as "my biggest moral failure" without going into any of the details.
The evangelicals eat this sort of thing up, they love to watch sinners grovel, even if (especially if?) it's done euphemistically and with the proper amount of self-flagellation. It's how Jimmy Swaggart made his comeback. Sick, isn't it?
Or Ben Bradley, in his hell raising days.
McCain got a lot of mileage tonight out of confessing his sins when he cheated on his first wife and hooked up with Cindy. He glossed it as "my biggest moral failure" without going into any of the details.
He said he regretted the failure of his first marriage, he made no reference to his adultery.
How many times would we have to clone Lou Grant and restaff all the editors desks?
Barry from Alaska 01-20-09 | Homepage | 08.17.08 - 2:39 am
Only character from MTM that would still be recognizable to Merkins would be Ted Baxter (who would be snapped up in a heartbeat by Fox Noise)
Cold, I mean beyond what any kindly effusive God would portend is cold. Bone chilling, plus then you were still warm fucker. Then this motherfucking shit got colder. Boy fucking yo. You wish you were dead then.
Celebrate Recovery was founded in 1991 by Pastor John Baker of Saddleback Church with the goal of overcoming habits like sex disorders and drug addictions with a twelve-step program based on Christian principles. Other churches and some prisons implemented the program, and as of March 2004 more than 150,000 people are said to have participated.
Liberalism just doesn't seem to have that kind of drive and that kind of force behind it anymore.
We've never had what could be called a modern progressive party in this country--certainly not in the last century or so--that could fundamentally move the country past the notions that business always knows best.
The closest to it was the FDR administration, and even that was slow going for the societal benefits produced, and likely would not have ever been in place at all without an extreme internal crisis.
Admittedly, it's a master stroke that the right has been able to convince a significant part of the citizenry that it is doing well, when, by most international standards--quality of life, general health, access to government, social safety net issues, efficient transport--it is not.
It's as if GDP is now the only standard that has meaning, and wholly obscured in that measurement is that 10% of the people control 90% of the real wealth. It's a genuine conundrum.
The evangelicals eat this sort of thing up, they love to watch sinners grovel, even if (especially if?) it's done euphemistically and with the proper amount of self-flagellation. It's how Jimmy Swaggart made his comeback. Sick, isn't it?
Chichimec | 08.17.08 - 2:40 am
It's the schtick that got McAint off the hook for the Keating 5 corruption.
The most 'progressive' election in modern american history was in 1912.
I fucking hate religion.It has never once - not once - made humans better. Not fucking once.
But - why? Why don't it?
Maybe teh agents of social control have perfected their techniques, and the likes of Russert and Hiatt and Murdoch have made their way easy and sure, and the republic is being cashed in.
It's possible.
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Eight Recovery Principles based on the Beatitudes
Saddleback Senior Pastor Rick Warren devised a set of Principles based on the Beatitudes.
1. Realize I'm not God; I admit that I am powerless to control my tendency to do the wrong thing and my life is unmanageable. "Happy are those who know they are spiritually poor"
2. Earnestly believe that God exists, that I matter to him, and that he has the power to help me recover. "Happy are those who mourn, for they shall be comforted"
3. Consciously choose to commit all my life and will to Christ's care and control. "Happy are the meek"
:::Debs ran in 1900,1904,1908,1912 and 1920, the last race from Atlanta Prison. The slogan on a campaign poster in 1920 read: “From Atlanta Prison to the Whitehouse, 1920,” and a popular campaign button showed Debs in prison garb, standing outside the prison gates, with the caption: “For President Convict No. 9653, Debs received nearly one million votes that year!
Perhaps the most colorful campaign was in 1908, when Debs used the Red Special Train to whistle-stop the country. There also was a Red Special Band. Debs spoke from the train to enthusiastic crowds dozens of times a day as he toured the country. Political campaigns before television generated interesting and sometimes novel memorabelia. A 1912 almanac (calendar) printed by the Socialist Party has the months of the year bordered by quotes from Debs such as “I’d rather vote for what I want and not get it, than for what I don’t want and get it.”:::
http://www.eugenevdebs.com/pages.../
political.html
I liked religion better when it wasn't bragged about in the public sphere.
Wait. That never happened.
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Religion should be kept between a person and his/her tree/serpent/world god/goddess.
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Religion should be kept between a person and his/her tree/serpent/world god/goddess.
Might be good advice, but, it's at complete odds with the spirit of evangelism. That edict to spread the gospel is at the core of evangelism.
Allowing people to come to religion in their own good time just isn't part of the program....
Allowing people to come to religion in their own good time just isn't part of the program....
montag
And that's why evangelicals, like telemarketers, lose me.
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I fucking hate religion.It has never once - not once - made humans better. Not fucking once. - Sarah Deere
wrong. soup kitchens and Mother Theresa - and lots of med researchers pray
1. Realize I'm not God; I admit that I am powerless to control my tendency to do the wrong thing and my life is unmanageable. "Happy are those who know they are spiritually poor"
jsp | 08.17.08 - 2:49 am
This is one of the biggest pieces of copout crap I've ever read. (and this is all just a crappy rephrasing of AA's crappy unsuccessful steps)
The most 'progressive' election in modern american history was in 1912.
And we got, not progressivism, but, Woodrow Wilson, instead.
Authoritarian, a closet racist, a little wacko religiously, and moved Heaven and Hell to get the country into a war the country was not interested in fighting....
So fucking what. Drunken Men Storm Citadel where Angels Feared to Tread.
This is one of the biggest pieces of copout crap I've ever read. (and this is all just a crappy rephrasing of AA's crappy unsuccessful steps)
Tom - 大肚腩
Hee hee, I guess Alaska Politics has warped my brain.
For a minute there, I thought you said "coconut crap". Ya know, the Don Young Exit to Nowhere.
I need a Hawaiian Vacation.
I need a Hawaiian Vacation.
Barry from Alaska
Elitist.
Religion should be kept between a person and his/her tree/serpent/world god/goddess.
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MisterX
Don't forget the FSM!
Saakashiti eats his tie
This won't be shown on US TV. Enjoy!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4...h?
v=49wOzZdWWYM
Elitist.
Willendorf Hussein Venus
Poo poos on arugula on Maui, what?
wrong. soup kitchens and Mother Theresa - and lots of med researchers pray
some young drunk | 08.17.08 - 2:56 am
As if equivalent non-religious social welfare efforts couldn't be found and as if prayer were important to the scientific process as say the scientific method of theory, experiment, revise theory.
Let's model the Earth as the center of the universe because of some perverse need to see oneself as the belly button of creation. *gag*
This won't be shown on US TV. Enjoy!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4...h? v=49wOzZdWWYM
Gilly Gonzylon
That's funny, wtf is that all about?
I just got my FSM plate for the car. Goes nicely with DFH sticker & Obama bumper sticker.
And OMG, I have actually been seeing other Obama bumperstickers! Saw "Republicans for Obama" on I-24 the other day. Woot!
liberal faggots
Authoritarian, a closet racist, a little wacko religiously, and moved Heaven and Hell to get the country into a war the country was not interested in fighting....
montag
All true, but...Visualize a Europe of today, if we'd stayed out of WWs I & II...
That's funny, wtf is that all about?
Barry from Alaska 01-20-09 | Homepage | 08.17.08 - 3:03 am | #
I guess it's the stress of hoping the west would bail his ass out.
And OMG, I have actually been seeing other Obama bumperstickers! Saw "Republicans for Obama" on I-24 the other day. Woot!
Willendorf Hussein Venus
I saw a Saab at the post office today with a huge "W "on the window. In smaller type was "orst ever."
Authoritarian, a closet racist, a little wacko religiously, and moved Heaven and Hell to get the country into a war the country was not interested in fighting....
montag | Homepage | 08.17.08 - 2:58 am
and opposition to the war was exactly why Debs was campaigning from an Atlanta jail in 1920.
I guess it's the stress of hoping the west would bail his ass out.
Gilly Gonzylon
Is Sidney Mc gonna do that at the first real debate?
Real debate, what the fuck am I thinking, there isn't a moderator in the bunch that will make him answer the questions posed.
wrong. soup kitchens and Mother Theresa - and lots of med researchers pray
some young drunk | 08.17.08 - 2:56 am | #
Soup kitchens and M Theresa always exact a price. Always. And, it;s too fucking much to pay for food. Ma Terry had her own spiritual crisis, I believe. And she really was a bitch in her daily life.
Real debate, what the fuck am I thinking, there isn't a moderator in the bunch that will make him answer the questions posed.
Barry from Alaska 01-20-09 | Homepage | 08.17.08 - 3:06 am | #
The worst part - we'll have to listen to McGoiter whistle his "S"s. He's worse than Holly Hunter.
All true, but...Visualize a Europe of today, if we'd stayed out of WWs I & II...
Meanie-meanie, tickle a person | Homepage | 08.17.08 - 3:04 am
Ya think they might still be lined up along trenches?
Real debate, what the fuck am I thinking, there isn't a moderator in the bunch that will make him answer the questions posed.
Barry from Alaska 01-20-09 | Homepage | 08.17.08 - 3:06 am
They know if they forced him to answer the question, McAint would be giving that deer in the headlights look again and ask "what was the question again?"
Rick Warren's Purpose Driven Church is targeted to pastors and church leaders and advises them to base their ministry on God's purposes, not their own ideas of ministry, hence the term "Purpose Driven". Warren suggests that these purposes are Worship, Fellowship, Discipleship, Ministry and Mission and that they are derived from the Great Commandment (Matthew 22:37-40) and the Great Commissions (Matthew 28:19-20).
"The issue is church health, not church growth!" declares Warren.
The author emphasizes an intentional people-building process. He says, “If you will concentrate on building people, God will build the church.”
Another Saakashvili LOL vid
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b...h?
v=bWlQ_fzECl4
They know if they forced him to answer the question, McAint would be giving that deer in the headlights look again and ask "what was the question again?"
Tom - 大肚腩
And crickets, don't forget the sound of crickets.
Would the Hapsburgers still be ruling from Budapest and Vienna?
Would Hitler be just a know-nothing artiste twit forgotten by history without the weight of reparations crushing the German Republic?
Fucky Sucky Anyone?
Me love you long time....
Thanks for that performance of the Brahms Double. I love that piece so much that I never get tired of this last movement.
Rostropovich died not long ago, and it's nice to see how he played in his earlier years.
Me love you long time....
Tom - 大肚腩
Back to cheetohs troll, you failed Avatar 101
August 16, 2008
Landrieu, The Lone GOP Target
By Reid Wilson
It is rare that a Senate candidate merits the attention of the First Lady of the United States. Then again, it is rare this year that a Republican Senate candidate is actually competitive against a Democratic incumbent.
So Laura Bush's stop in Lafayette, Louisiana yesterday, on behalf of State Treasurer John Kennedy, served to underscore just how critical the GOP sees the state as a factor in their efforts to blunt what is expected to be a banner year for Democrats. In fact, most Republicans who follow the Senate landscape admit that Kennedy, who faces two-term Senator Mary Landrieu, is the party's only hope of winning back a seat this year.
http://
www.realclearpolitics.com...gop_target.html
Despair. Fail. Flop.
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I peeled potatoes and ollected cigareete butts in the Army. They didn't trust me with a weapon.
I suck cock well though.
I suck cock well though.
Barry from Alaska 01-20-09
Leave troll wannabe, you ruining my name.
Actually that was me offering my whore self up to GI's.
Me love you long time, GI!
Tom,
Tell that whore wife of yours to get off the blog.
I peeled potatoes and ollected cigareete butts in the Army. They didn't trust me with a weapon.
The butts I ollected made me a fortune.
Look at the spin Fox "News" puts on the same video.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W...h?
v=W1yewjpmTdg
Ya think they might still be lined up along trenches?
Tom - 大肚腩
Not a new idea. In fact there's a video game called Iron Storm that takes place in Germany in 1964, and it's still going on, just more modern. And that's with the USA involved. But, nah, I just wonder what the map would look like. With Germany pretty much having its way but for the Russians, things would be very different "over there"...
My piles have been acting up. Hurts to sit they're so swollen and red...
Sarah,
My ass is sore too, not from the piles though......
wink wink Barry!
gilly, do I really have to watch Fox Noise? *ewwwww*
and it must burn the cheetohs eaters' shorts to be having to support McAint.
and losing Landrieu's seat? I could think of worse things to happen to Democrats.
Yay! I've finally been name stolen!
All true, but...Visualize a Europe of today, if we'd stayed out of WWs I & II...
We (meaning, then, Wilson) helped create WWII by the inclusion of war reparations in the Treaty of Versailles.
WWII was effectively over, without much of our help, the moment Hitler invaded the Soviet Union. That mistake sealed his fate and future.
What would Europe look like today? Nobody knows, because that's not the way history turned out. But, chances are that the fighting could not have gone on for long, and after two very bloody wars, the same impulse to avoid the stupidity of the past might well have taken hold, as it has today.
Howard Zinn makes an interesting case for not entering WWII. He suspects that had we not, internal resistance, along with the attrition caused by the Soviet army, would have caused the collapse of the Third Reich, anyway.
None of us know for sure, though, because that's not the way it played out.
TrOoLz stealing every name in sight, including eachother's, and this is supposed to be entertaining?
I blame Connecticut.
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Fortune?
hahahaha
Weren't you on unemployment a short while back?
TrOoLz stealing every name in sight, including eachother's, and this is supposed to be entertaining?
Meanie-meanie, tickle a person
It like watching a stroke in progress.
With Germany pretty much having its way but for the Russians, things would be very different "over there"...
Meanie-meanie, tickle a person | Homepage | 08.17.08 - 3:18 am
But Germany didn't really have its way, but for the Russians until WW2.
Take away the Treaty of Versailles and you get a whole different socio-economic dynamic in Europe. Instead of the Weimar being saddled with the blame for the economy failing, the global depression in the 30s might have caused a worker's rebellion to topple the Kaiser and turned Germany red rather than brownshirted.
Weren't you on unemployment a short while back?
Barry from Alaska 01-20-09
Ya know, if you are gonna slam me, best not to do it under my own name. Did ya forget?
Trolls choking. They're done. Relegated to the scrap heap of history. Stupidity always loses in the end.
The symptoms of piles can come and go. There are five main symptoms:
itching and irritation
aching pain and discomfort
bleeding
a lump, which may be tender
soiling of underwear with slime or faeces (‘skid marks’).
The symptoms of piles can come and go. There are five main symptoms:
itching and irritation
aching pain and discomfort
bleeding
a lump, which may be tender
soiling of underwear with slime or faeces (‘skid marks’).
Get a job Barry.
Okay, one you should see. Fox "News" interviews 12 year old girl who returned from S. Ossetia and she pwns their asses. Watch how Fox has to go to commercial. LOL
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q...h?v=q1LrRS-
IKBo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x...h?v=xdMdc-
5JeyI
Maybe this will help Barry!
Okay, one you should see. Fox "News" interviews 12 year old girl who returned from S. Ossetia and she pwns their asses. Watch how Fox has to go to commercial. LOL
she fought back to, she knew how they work.
It like watching a stroke in progress.
They just don't get the gravatar thing, do they?
Beethoven's 7th symphony, Karajan conducting
she fought back to, she knew how they work.
Barry from Alaska 01-20-09 | Homepage | 08.17.08 - 3:29 am | #
No doubt. She got them scrambling.
They just don't get the gravatar thing, do they?
montag
No they don't.
And I'm really trying to figure out my unemployment status. That does confuse me, I wonder if WalMart is hiring, I hear they pay 200K for greeters.
They just don't get the gravatar thing, do they?
montag | Homepage | 08.17.08 - 3:30 am
It's being pinned down to a working email account that scares the shit out of them. (see also Team GDumbya violating the Presidential Records Act and their email)
i own this thread...
you're all my bitches......
BTW, Youtube has desperately been trying to remove all copies of that video and people re-up it as soon as it's taken down. Viva freedom.
Fox gets pwned everytime somebody tells the truth. Truth is poison to the fucking rightards.
I wonder if WalMart is hiring, I hear they pay 200K for greeters.
Over one's lifetime, maybe....
you know, I will never understand people who troll and are trolls. I just don't get the pleasure they aparently feel at name-stealing, talking scatologically, carrying on about "piles" and so forth. What in the world is the matter with them? What sickness causes them to act this way? I probably don't even want to know.
I own this thread.
I am Spartacus.
Trolls are Farticus
Over one's lifetime, maybe....
montag
That's not bad then.
Considering they only live 5 years.
Itching and irritation probably occur because the lumpy piles stop acting as soft pads to keep the mucus in; instead, a little mucus leaks out and irritates the area around the anus. Pain and discomfort comes from swelling around the pile, and from scratching of the lining of the anal canal by faeces as they pass over the lumpy area. The scratching also causes bleeding, which is a fresh bright red colour and may be seen on faeces or toilet paper or dripping in the pan. A pile that has been pushed down (a second- or third-degree pile) may be felt as a lump at the anus.
Trolls are Farticus
Gilly Gonzylon
They are gonna see that and think you made a fart joke.
Just saying.
i own this thread...
you're all my bitches......
troll
You don't even own that boot of mine six inched up your ass, bitch.
I am always in control here.
I always thought El Chimpidente, if he wasn't born to privilege, would have ended up as a Walmart Greeter
There will be silence while Ludwig Von plays. That is all.
I always thought El Chimpidente, if he wasn't born to privilege, would have ended up as a Walmart Greeter
Yeah, but like everything else in his life, he would've fucked that up, too.
well, fiddlesticks. G;night all.
bush has failed at every thing he's ever done. No reason to believe he could succeed as a greeter as walmart.
Halfway into the flight, I was doing pretty well. The big brown was knocking on the backdoor, but I wasn't giving into his demands to escape from my colonic prison. Then it happened. Remember those clouds I saw looming in the distance? It was a storm -- a big one. Suddenly we hit an air pocket and the plane dropped about a hundred feet. I screamed like a little girl on a carnival ride. And when my attention was directed elsewhere, my little friend decided to take advantage and let out a little burp.
bush has failed at every thing he's ever done. No reason to believe he could succeed as a greeter as walmart.
death to the GOP | Homepage | 08.17.08 - 3:37 am
bin Ladens would have to come to Arkansas to pass a lot of money to the Waltons to cover the damage done by GDumbya.
well, fiddlesticks. G;night all.
Sarah Deere | 08.17.08 - 3:37 am | #
Notch a win for the troll!
Al Haig | 08.17.08 - 3:37
Al Haig wears a colostomy bag.
bush has failed at every thing he's ever done. No reason to believe he could succeed as a greeter as walmart.
death to the GOP
Oh, like my buddy Ed Hale?
He's failed at every goal his website has set out to do.
Lemme see, 6.5 million "visitors" to the first site, and he couldn't raise more than 2 grand.
New web site, begging for 5.5K and can't get that.
He can't even afford a Thrifty-Nickle ad.
Lemme see, 6.5 million "visitors" to the first site, and he couldn't raise more than 2 grand.
New web site, begging for 5.5K and can't get that.
He can't even afford a Thrifty-Nickle ad.
Barry from Alaska 01-20-09 | Homepage | 08.17.08 - 3:41 am
So are we ready to link the work of Ed Hale with the PUMA id10ts?
Al Haig wears a colostomy bag.
He uses my old ones.
Oh, like my buddy Ed Hale?
I'd really like to see his DD-214, if he has one....
So are we ready to link the work of Ed Hale with the PUMA id10ts?
Tom - 大肚腩
Ready?
Hell, he's been tied in with them since the beginning (1 June) of his site.
Now they have POC (People of Color) Puma, just to show they aren't bigots.
Only problem on POC Puma, all white folks in the pics.
My brief feeling of relief, however, was quickly changed to one of horror as I shifted in my seat and realized my cheeks aren't supposed to glide that easily against one another. I had just sharted. For the next thirty minutes I tried to sit as still as I could and squeeze my cheeks together, lest a whiff of my predicament reached my superiors. When we landed and I was doing my duckwalk to the nearest bathroom to freshen up, I had to laugh -- I had just had the crap scared out of me, literally
Let me out, General sir!
I'd really like to see his DD-214, if he has one....
montag
I asked him in the IRC chat for his DD-214 or his Marine OQR.
He said he didn't need to provide that, it was private.
I hit him up with the "people who live in glass houses" argument, and he banned me.
So goes it.
fucking moron repuke troll namestealing another fucking moron repuke. too fucking stupid to live.
My brief feeling of relief, however, was quickly changed to one of horror as I shifted in my seat and realized my cheeks aren't supposed to glide that easily against one another. I had just sharted. For the next thirty minutes I tried to sit as still as I could and squeeze my cheeks together, lest a whiff of my predicament reached my superiors. When we landed and I was doing my duckwalk to the nearest bathroom to freshen up, I had to laugh -- I had just had the crap scared out of me, literally
Al Haig
A fellow coprophiliac.
My, what an exciting life we lead.
Banned me, that's a minor thing, I'm back on in 30 seconds, they don't have a clue about the intertubes.
Troll is looking up coprophiliac as we speak.
Only problem on POC Puma, all white folks in the pics.
Barry from Alaska 01-20-09 | Homepage | 08.17.08 - 3:44 am
sounds like the Republican Black Caucus.
I think I'm gonna hit the push to test on the Ed copyright thing.
Now they have POC (People of Color) Puma, just to show they aren't bigots.
Only problem on POC Puma, all white folks in the pics.
GOP has been doing plenty of astroturfing in that regard. They did that not long ago with something vaguely like Black Republicans for Bush that was, underneath, all white bread GOP operatives and one black front guy.
sounds like the Republican Black Caucus.
Tom - 大肚腩
What do you see?
http://pocpuma.com/
PUMAs_On_the_...n_the_Prowl.php
gop strategy is totally based on ignorance and hatred and is doomed to fail. repuke trolls should just eat a bullet and do america a huge favor.
NBC talked them into staging these Olympic events in the morning to hit Prime Time in the states but their have been reports of low attendance at a lot of the venues.
NBC talked them into staging these Olympic events in the morning to hit Prime Time in the states but their have been reports of low attendance at a lot of the venues.
sun | 08.17.08 - 3:50 am | #
You'd think the Chinese would fill it up with their own citizens.
This is too fuckin' funny...
:::A fellow POC PUMA may have heard Hannity mention this on his radio show on Mon. 7/28/08:::
They get all excited that they MAY HAVE been mentioned on the air by Hannity? *geebus*
American Corporate interests prevailed over the Chinese people, who probably had to be at work when most of these events were staged.
1. That Bolt guy is fucking amazing
2. That Phelps guy is fucking amazing
3. Huggy Bear? Not very amazing at all.
He said he didn't need to provide that, it was private.
His service records are, while he's alive. But, proof of service is not private. I'm certain that proof of service is available from the records center in St. Louis, provided that a full name is available.
NBC talked them into staging these Olympic events in the morning to hit Prime Time in the states but their have been reports of low attendance at a lot of the venues.
sun
Yea, Eastern Daylight Time is the cultural time we stage all events by.
Learn some world.
their have been reports of low attendance at a lot of the venues.
sun | 08.17.08 - 3:50 am
Lots of local reports of Merkin ticket scalpers going to Beijing to try and make a bundle off the low-price tickets.
IOC prefers the censors and hustlers to the sports fan.
His service records are, while he's alive. But, proof of service is not private. I'm certain that proof of service is available from the records center in St. Louis, provided that a full name is available.
montag
Edgar S Hale
And I'll just bet they were burned up in the fire a couple of years ago.
I'm gonna repeat myself for the 30th time, there is no way this guy Ed was a Colonel.
I'm gonna repeat myself for the 30th time, there is no way this guy Ed was a Colonel.
That's why proof of service would be helpful--impersonating a federal officer for gain or for personal aggrandizement is a felony.
But, yeah, listening to him, the Marines would have to have a very low opinion of their own officer corps to promote this knucklehead to colonel.
But, yeah, listening to him, the Marines would have to have a very low opinion of their own officer corps to promote this knucklehead to colonel.
montag
He can't spell, I've said that 100 times I know.
Hell, he was begging for $5000 to send a "blooger" to Denver to document their cause.
I asked what a booger was, and got deleted/banned, whatever.
It took him a week to go and check his spelling and correct it.
Now Ed thinks that cause it's correct on the intertubes today, there is no record of the past, just like Ted Stevens and his grand jury tampering emails.
Why do we have to fight boneheads all the time? I would like someone with some smarts to keep me sharp, this punching pillow is getting old.
That "real man" slant is pathetic.
I'd like to call in Ed's show and ask him which candidate betrayed his country to the enemy under "enhanced interrogation", then cried and said he was sorry. What's the definition of "traitor" again?
That "real man" slant is pathetic.
I'd like to call in Ed's show and ask him which candidate betrayed his country to the enemy under "enhanced interrogation", then cried and said he was sorry. What's the definition of "traitor" again?
melior
You went there, to Ed's?
It always amazes me when one of you guys do, cause I know I talk about it way too much, but it's a cesspool, and I don't expect you guys to wade in it too.
Part of Brahms Double Concerto Op.102....
The last time I saw a video of these guys in action it was supporting Yeltsin against the Communists.
Lovely photo of Rostropovich asleep (after an 18 hour flight from Washington, and another 12~18 hours of fiddling for the public), but holding up his bodyguard's AK-47, since the bodyguard was also asleep, at his feet.
Why do we have to fight boneheads all the time? I would like someone with some smarts to keep me sharp, this punching pillow is getting old.
I suppose because it all eats up time.
You can tell a lie in ten words, and it takes a hundred sentences to put the truth in perspective.
How long did it take this guy to make cable news? No time at all. How long to put him in his proper place? Ages.
Lovely photo of Rostropovich asleep (after an 18 hour flight from Washington, and another 12~18 hours of fiddling for the public), but holding up his bodyguard's AK-47, since the bodyguard was also asleep, at his feet.
David Lloyd-Jones
Where were the oboes?
They get all excited that they MAY HAVE been mentioned on the air by Hannity? *geebus*
In poker, that would be known as a tell.
In poker, that would be known as a tell.
montag
MommaE (Evelyn Adams) was "supposedly" on Lou Dobbs too. I can't stand to listen to him any more to verify.
Guess I'll have to put my "suck it up" filters" on and listen to the last 3 days.
Someone send me beers.
How long did it take this guy to make cable news? No time at all. How long to put him in his proper place? Ages.
montag
I guess it's been a long standing complaint against the press, but retractions or errors are buried and lost.
Yea, he made CNN in 3 weeks. I wrote Carol Cameron and told her to check him out, and now one of his ilk is on Lou Dobbs?
Oh well
Looks like Ed is playing with his hit counter again. One million visitors in a month?
Near beers,
stout beers.
ales,
hoppy beers?
I think I've got a few cans of Greene King beers. Would that do?
http://www.greenekingipa.co.uk/
Hey now is one of those motherfucking things. Like I was walking along with my girl who was riding her bicycle. The back wheel was vibrating. And she is so like, "That fucking turns me on dude." Hey now.
Looks like Ed is playing with his hit counter again. One million visitors in a month?
montag
Well....
There was a day when it went from 900 to 12,000, that was bogus.
But what is happening now, and this is nuance, is, ... ehhh.
Ok, you run a web site, you record front page hits.
Ed records every time a comment has been seen, and the "home" button, and on and on. They are not "unique" hits, which is what an online ad agency would look at.
Nor are they "hits", they are Page Views, not the same as hits.
Why bother Barry?
Aren't there bigger fish to go after?
Why bother Barry?
Aren't there bigger fish to go after?
Tom - 大肚腩
Well, my logic says that if I can do Ed, I can then move up to Larry Johnson, a much tougher site to... well.
Plus I like poking the guy.
I do got friends too, the anti-Larry Sinclair guys.
Ed and Larry are butt buddies, so they kinda forced us (me and Mitch) together.
I think Larry and corrente have done it to themselves. (which is quite the shame)
I think Larry and corrente have done it to themselves. (which is quite the shame)
Tom - 大肚腩
Ssshhhh.
ChicagoDyke doesn't like that association. I got yelled at like nobodys business the other night when I went after Correntewire. (Corrente, the old is still OK).
I'm about to go nuts, listening to Larry Sinclair and MommaE is making my brain mush.
Tom, find me a better target.
Guess I'll have to put my "suck it up" filters" on and listen to the last 3 days.
More like a hair shirt, listening to that. What are you trying to atone for, anyway?
Well, my logic says that if I can do Ed, I can then move up to Larry Johnson, a much tougher site to... well.
Plus I like poking the guy.
Barry from Alaska
Now, why did I need to re-read this in a different light? Just ew.
Now, why did I need to re-read this in a different light? Just ew.
Willendorf Hussein Venus
with a stick.
with a stick.
Barry from Alaska
Sideways?
More like a hair shirt, listening to that. What are you trying to atone for, anyway?
Willendorf Hussein Venus
Nothing.
It has just offended my since the first day of his web site the lying that goes on there.
It started with fraudlent web hits, something Bill Gates would have been envious.
And it went on from there, it's nothing but lie after lie.
AND IT OFFENDS ME NO END.
Sideways?
Willendorf Hussein Venus
In a cage.
Sideways?
Willendorf Hussein Venus
In a cage.
Barry from Alaska
Waitaminute. Are you really Scooter Libby, Barry?
ChicagoDyke doesn't like that association. I got yelled at like nobodys business the other night when I went after Correntewire. (Corrente, the old is still OK).
Barry from Alaska 01-20-09 | Homepage | 08.17.08 - 4:36 am
sounds like someone needs to find a new name... and let a ship sink under its own weight.
and larry sinclair? Is this the crackhead from illinois that says he was Obama's flute player?
Ed Hale's threat about copyright has been purged.
and larry sinclair? Is this the crackhead from illinois that says he was Obama's flute player?
Tom - 大肚腩
That's him.
Ed's camp likes him cause he is anti obama, so they will overlook all the drugs, homo stuff, arrest records, to embrace him.
He's a nightly guest now.
Common cause makes for strange bedfellows. Why on earth would a good, upstanding retired Marine colonel have any truck with a low-life such as Larry Sinclair?
Wonder who's paying Sinclair....
Maybe the guy thinks, with enough notoriety, he'll get a book deal out of it or something, but, someone's keeping him going right now.
And Larry Johnson's got to be bug-fuck crazy to be siding with Sinclair in this.
If Obama is elected, guaranteed that this isn't going to stop. This has got "Arkansas Project" written all over it.
Larry Sinclair says he was contacted by some blogger from Bangalore, England.
Anyone besides me ever been to Bangalore?
India.
If Obama is elected, guaranteed that this isn't going to stop. This has got "Arkansas Project" written all over it.
montag
What I love about listening to Ed's radio show is the TV in the background.
He never turns his microphone down all the way.
Larry Sinclair says he was contacted by some blogger from Bangalore, England.
Common cause makes for strange bedfellows. Why on earth would a good, upstanding retired Marine colonel have any truck with a low-life such as Larry Sinclair?
No poopies.
But MommaE just said she talks with Larry's momma a couple of times a day, and she's (MommaE) is soliciting funds to get Larry's Delaware bail.
All this makes me wonder what Roger Stone's up to these days... besides swinging....
Back in the day she was special. Drop motherfucking gorgeous and in every which way. Her lips, which I made a point of kissing firmly, would swell up full and pouty. And tall, man I thought her legs would never reach the ground. Plus I am her unrequited love.
Back in the day she was special. Drop motherfucking gorgeous and in every which way. Her lips, which I made a point of kissing firmly, would swell up full and pouty. And tall, man I thought her legs would never reach the ground. Plus I am her unrequited love.
Le Jackel
Dreaming about mom again?
Wow, Phelps did it again in the relay...
That's 8 gold for the tall one, 7 world records.
Past my beddy... g'night you 11 magnificent insomniacs...
Wow, Phelps did it again in the relay...
Mr FrenchM
Fun to see how TV rules the world, it actually happened hours and hours ago.
morning, all.
Full moon looking great tonight.
And I blew a fuse, tried to go reset the fuse box and can;t get it open. At least most of the power is okay, until the sun comes up and I can go wrangle open the fuse box. ick.
So Barry, just for giggles, has anyone tried going to Mr. Ed's site and just saying great stuff about Hillary?
I get the feeling it wouldn't actually go over well in that nest of "democrats".
But MommaE just said she talks with Larry's momma a couple of times a day, and she's (MommaE) is soliciting funds to get Larry's Delaware bail.
Barry from Alaska 01-20-09 | Homepage | 08.17.08 - 4:55 am
gotta solicit money for bail?
I thought bail houses took care of that for folks who aren't flight risks.
Barry, went over to your site, so sorry to hear about Yoh There's mom. Sounds like they won't have to bear it long, tho. That's good.
Hi, Tom, there are bail bond 24 hour spots all around the courthouse here.
So Barry, just for giggles, has anyone tried going to Mr. Ed's site and just saying great stuff about Hillary?
I get the feeling it wouldn't actually go over well in that nest of "democrats".
MikeJ
haven't tried that yet, cause i can't find in my mind enough good to say about her.
Plus, I'm torred on his site, so I show up as "foreign" and auto deleted by the imps.
Barry, went over to your site, so sorry to hear about Yoh There's mom. Sounds like they won't have to bear it long, tho. That's good.
Ruth
We had a long chat about that the other night, continuing a history.
Yoh-There is a solid down to earth guy who has parents who have gone bonkers. Both of em, and it's a shame.
He's gonna be Ok, totaly prepared.
MikeJ is so right, Hillary is hardly the idol the Mr. Ed's pretend she is to them, it's more winger lies. That's their field of choice, since the facts have librul biases.
I thought bail houses took care of that for folks who aren't flight risks.
Tom - 大肚腩
Larry Sinclair, flight risk?
No, doesn't compute.
MikeJ is so right, Hillary is hardly the idol the Mr. Ed's pretend she is to them, it's more winger lies. That's their field of choice, since the facts have librul biases.
Ruth
I'll give it a try.
see how long it lasts.
Yeh, Barry, he seems awfully solid, and he and I have had a mutual humanitarian theme in our blogging.
As you pro'ly know, my son just is recovering from living thru a long year trying to be there for his Dad (my ex) who was maintained via machinery for much too long, and miserably brain dead for much of it. Lots of nastiness involved. We should let people go,
Hillary ain't got nothing to do with it. Last time I checked out Hale's site he was spewing racist bullshit that v mysteriously got deleted soon after appearing.
Vile.
Larry Sinclair, flight risk?
No, doesn't compute.
Barry from Alaska 01-20-09 | Homepage | 08.17.08 - 5:19 am
Ya think Sinclair will show up in court to face his charges?
Hell bitch, I'm very sorry about that, but every motherfucker has to die sometimes.
WVenus, Hillary was never the reason for these goons trying to divert Dem votes. I was just over at BBC.com, reading their coverage of last night. I fell asleep but not before appreciating Obama saying what I think, that if the right wingers really want to stop abortions, they can give a support system to moms that will enable them to care for those kids. It's not about having babies, it's about those actual human beings that have needs.
I'll give it a try.
see how long it lasts.
Barry from Alaska 01-20-09 | Homepage | 08.17.08 - 5:20 am
just write about how Clinton would be better for America than McCain.
How Clinton was so good for America's economy and how Team GDumbya took a great country and ran it in to the ground and made it a turd world military power that can't beat a bunch of goat herders with pipe bombs and has Condi watching over Georgia signing the Russian surrender document. How you were looking forward to another Clinton in office to remove the McStain of corruption and incompetence from the White House.
(something like that...)
btw, BBC did a very superficial job of it.
Larry Sinclair-->National Press Club fiasco-->paid for by Veritas Federal Media-->purportedly run by Joseph Giganti-->formerly the President of Veritas Media Group-->which is little more than a web design shop with some interesting clients, including Jerry Falwell's Liberty Seminary and people associated with Liberty-->and who is now the President/COO of Sovereign City Communications-->which, while based in Green Bay, WI, has just purchased its first radio station, WNTD in Chicago, and runs canned programming from Relevant Radio, a Catholic talk format.
Odd that more good, upstanding Christian people are climbing into bed with Larry Sinclair. The boy must be quite the hustler.
Hell bitch, even you have to die in the not too distant future.
Tom, good pts - and how the whole bunch of war criminals can't figure out how to get back out of the tarbaby they tried to beat up on.
Barry, here's a lovely article I came on, Yoh There may get some help from it.
"When my mother died, she was staying with friends, who brought her breakfast in bed and found that she had died in her sleep.
When I rang a cousin to tell her, she said: "Oh, how wonderful" - she had been a mental health nurse, and knew only too well the alternatives."
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_ne...ine/
7564061.stm
Ruth, Yoh-There has contacted the dark side in Amsterdam
We still may have a job for ya
I hope it won't get that bad, we should be able to do it ourselves.
Tom, good pts - and how the whole bunch of war criminals can't figure out how to get back out of the tarbaby they tried to beat up on.
Ruth | Homepage | 08.17.08 - 5:38 am
talk about how when Team GDumbya's daddy dropped the Balkans in to Clinton's lap, that the Clenis actually worked his way through it without an American dying.
While Team GDumbya comes in to office and kills thousands of Americans and then tries to arrange a diplomatic military mess to dump in to the lap of the next Democratic President
I wouldn't be too scared of Death, but then I am a feckless motherfucker. You know there is a heaven.
Barry, here's a lovely article I came on, Yoh There may get some help from it.
"When my mother died, she was staying with friends, who brought her breakfast in bed and found that she had died in her sleep.
YOu might actually see him here, or most likely emails.
He hates posting on US blogs.
Aside from Ptarmigan
Hmm. Giganti has said he had no association with Veritas Federal Media.
But, he's well-known in the pro-life movement, which would give him some motive to attack Obama and support McCain.
The next wave of disasters;
Delinquencies jumped even more for prime loans of more than $417,000, so-called jumbo loans. They rose to 4.03% of outstanding loans in May, compared with 1.11% a year earlier.
http://money.cnn.com/2008/08/12/...dex.htm?
cnn=yes
I fell asleep but not before appreciating Obama saying what I think, that if the right wingers really want to stop abortions, they can give a support system to moms that will enable them to care for those kids. It's not about having babies, it's about those actual human beings that have needs.
Ruth
He ain't perfect, but there is so much to like about him.
It is hard to come up with something against that argument without revealing your true sexist, classist colors.
montag, Avedon has a viewpoint I appreciate, that 'pro-life' is not the right term for the anti-abortion crew. I kinda like pro-coathanger, myself.
And Obama is very pro-life, he just has a penchant for maintenance of the living, something the wingers can;t get to for their ideological fixations.
I was just doing some 4am pantsless vacuuming. Because I can.
I was just doing some 4am pantsless vacuuming. Because I can.
Willendorf Hussein Venus
NAKED WOMNAN WITH VACUME AND ATTACHMENTS ALERT!
Tom, the lives that have been lost because of the war profiteers ought to be carved on their tombs. Which should be in the Hague, like their next and final days.
Pantsless vaccuuming is pro'ly more demure than pantsless full moon observing.
montag, Avedon has a viewpoint I appreciate, that 'pro-life' is not the right term for the anti-abortion crew. I kinda like pro-coathanger, myself.
And Obama is very pro-life, he just has a penchant for maintenance of the living, something the wingers can;t get to for their ideological fixations.
Can't help that that's the way they identify themselves. For ID purposes, that's who they are.
I understand their ideology, as do you.
But, I'm not trying to change frames. I'm trying to connect dots. I'm trying to figure out who's financing Sinclair and why.
new Topic
While apparently "nobody" could see a future problem with no money down, interest only mortgages, a second "Cuban Missile Crisis" is easy to predict.
There are two exceptional features of the accord, added as incentives to Poland. First, the United States will immediately transfer a Patriot anti-missile battery from Germany to Slupsk on the Baltic Sea, about 100 miles from the Polish border with the Russian enclave of Kaliningrad. The New York Times noted: “American troops would join the Polish military, at least temporarily, at the front lines—facing east toward Russia.” The 110 American soldiers stationed there will serve as a sort of human tripwire, ensuring that any Polish-Russian conflict quickly involves the United States.
Secondly, the US agreed to an obligation to defend Poland in case of attack with greater speed than required under current procedures of NATO, which Poland joined in March 1999. “Poland and the Poles do not want to be in alliances in which assistance comes at some point later—it is no good when assistance comes to dead people,” Prime Minister Tusk said on Polish television. “Poland wants to be in alliances where assistance comes in the very first hours of—knock on wood—any possible conflict.”
Russian officials responded to the US-Polish agreement with apocalyptic language. General Anatoly Nogovitsyn, the deputy chief of staff, said that Poland was “exposing itself to a strike, 100 percent.” He noted that Russian military doctrine sanctions the use of nuclear weapons, not only against any nation that conducts an attack on Russia with nuclear weapons, but “against the allies of countries having nuclear weapons if they in some way help them.”
Gimlet, Diane did a good post on that yesterday. And the nuclear threat, hmmm, anyone remember how to cover up in those school drills we had in the 50's?
gimlet, that's not a new topic.
as I mentioned above, GHDumbya created shit to drop in the lap of the Clenis, so you can be damn sure that GDumbya will try to outdo Daddy and come up with some even more serious shit to drop in the lap of the next Democratic President.
montag, hope you find answers, Sinclair is one of those unpleasantnesses that I kinda avoid.
Apart from the new provocation of missiles in Poland, a summary of the heightened tensions in the ME.
In the Caucasus, the initial impact was the shutdown of pipeline segments which carry Caspian Sea oil from Azerbaijan through Georgia to the Turkish port of Ceyhan. The Baku-Tbilisi-Ceyhan (B-T-C) pipeline was built with American support to provide an outlet for oil supplies to the world market independent of both Russia and Iran, which Washington regards as its two main adversaries in the region.
Both Turkey and Israel have been drawn into the crisis. President Bush declared that the US Navy would move to the Georgian coast to provide “humanitarian aid” and test Russia’s willingness to allow freedom of the seas. But Turkey must give its consent to the passage of warships through the straits connecting the Mediterranean Sea to the Black Sea. State Department officials indicated that the naval deployment might have to be abandoned because of Turkish opposition.
Israel is also deeply implicated in the conflict. As the Israeli web site Ynet observed, “The fighting which broke out over the weekend between Russia and Georgia has brought Israel’s intensive involvement in the region into the limelight. This involvement includes the sale of advanced weapons to Georgia and the training of the Georgian army’s infantry forces.”
They booted my ass to heaven once and it was beyond belief. It's everything you ever dreamed of, then some.
They booted my ass with a size fourteen. My nads went to heaven and it was beyond belief. It's everything you ever dreamed of, then some.
Le Jackel
Corrected your recollection.
Lastly. With something much more important than Obama's lapel pin, where can we find reliable information about what is happening?
The Bush administration has maintained, in a series of leaks to the US media, that it sought to restrain Saakashvili from attacking the pro-Russian enclaves of South Ossetia and Abkhazia, and that the Georgian president ignored its advice. This version of events is entirely unbelievable, given the integration of US military advisers into the Georgian military command. But even if true, it would mean that Washington has so little control over events that a reckless nationalistic demagogue can use its backing to trigger a major international crisis. Such political arsonists play a major role in every country in Eastern Europe.
As George Friedman of Stratfor.com, a strategic analysis web site, detailed in an article published August 13: “It is inconceivable that the Americans were unaware of Georgia’s mobilization and intentions. It is also inconceivable that the Americans were unaware that the Russians had deployed substantial forces on the South Ossetian frontier. US technical intelligence, from satellite imagery and signals intelligence to unmanned aerial vehicles, could not miss the fact that thousands of Russian troops were moving to forward positions.”
While Friedman suggests that the apparent surprise of the Bush administration was an expression of its strategic incompetence, there is another and more sinister explanation: the US government wanted the military conflict to erupt, despite the inevitable Georgian rout at the hands of the Russian army, because the crisis would serve its ends, both internationally—viz., Poland—and domestically, where the Republican Party is relying on war fever to bolster its beleaguered presidential campaign.
In the wake of the ceasefire in Georgia, reluctantly signed by Saakashvili Friday with US Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice pressuring him in person, it has become even clearer that the week-long American media and diplomatic campaign over alleged Russian aggression is an example of the “big lie” technique.
It now turns out that the scale of the Russian military intervention was relatively small, with a total of 15,000 troops engaged, barely half the number that Georgia has under arms, suggesting that Moscow never intended to overrun the country. CNN reported Friday that the total number of Russian troops in Gori, the city whose occupation supposedly represented an attempt to cut Georgia in half, was only 200.
The bulk of the US accounts of the events in Georgia consisted of unconfirmed charges of Russian and Ossetian atrocities against Georgian civilians, with little or no reporting on the Georgian onslaught on South Ossetia that touched off the conflict in the first place.
Giganti was also spokesperson and media consultant for Alan Keyes.
Ruth
Yoh-There is probably gonna authorize the last bit of morphine today.
Another friend without a mom anymore.
This is not telling me old age is something I want.
http://www.wsws.org/articles/200.../usru-
a16.shtml
footnoted yer article.
Barry, any idea if I can help any way? Glad he has the courage to make a decision that is so obviously helpful.
footnoted yer article.
MikeJ
Tried to stay with the supported factual arguments and avoid the propaganda aspects of it.
Damn. I know it "rains" in Seattle a bit, but it's usually just a drizzle, October-May. Thunder booming outside now. Not on top of me yet, but still LOUD. We aren't supposed to get t-storms here.
'morning, all.
Ruth -- reading yesterday's local paper was a barrel of laughs, too:
--two-county unemployment rate highest since 1992
--state budget, already pared to the bone, still 1.8Bn short; Crist plans to raid the Chiles fund (established with tobacco-suit proceeds to provide health care for -- wait for it -- children)
--evil state lege will appeal judge's ruling to remove an amendment from the Nov. ballot calling for reducing property tax rates by reducing the amount that goes to schools. Bonus: the shortfall will come from taxes to be named later. Mr. V. says they know the Dems are gonna kick their asses and they want to put them in the position of HAVING to raise taxes so they can neener-neener.
Short-sighted, selfish, greedy, shameless, heinous pigfuckers.
V4VA, leaving war, economic disaster, destroyed functions of gov't, infrastructure in tatters, rule of law over ...
Guess the right is counting on voters to forget they can do better.
Tweety showing clip of cretin in chief passing off his war on McAyn.
Mostly the program is about change, and how McAyn is trying to insist he will change... his history, and his record.
John McCain: Kissinger and Associates client since 1972.
Grimlet
I think the whole thing was a classic Rovian plot played out on an international scale.
The republicans have NOTHING. Absolutely NOTHING to run on. This thing in Georgia was cooked up in July with meetings between Rove, Condi, Scheunnemna, and Saakashvili. Saakashvili was playing the dupe. He wants something very badly. Membership in NATO. He also knew that he could not take Russia on militarily and win. Nobody could be that big of a fool. Rove knew how desperate he was, so he promised him US support. He and Rice and Scheunneman(Georgian lobbyist to McCain as well as McCain campaign manager) cooked this whole thing up just to highlight McCain's foreign policy strengths, which are now highly in question.
All they wanted was for Russia to rear its ugly head to remind Americans that the "reds" are still out there. This was a hail Mary pass for McCain and Saakashvili was the sacraficial lamb.
But in today's world, and with the internet amateurish, clumsy espionage gets out quickly.
It will be interesting to see what goes on today on the Sunday shows. Will the republican media help the White House cover its tracks? Will anyone mention that Rove and Condi and Scheunneman met with Saakashvili in July? A meeting by the way that took place while Rove was supposed to be testifying in front of congress.
Rice is going to be on several of the shows today to give the official White House spin. Will anyone ask her about the meetings with Saakashvili before Georgia attacked? I doubt it.
Will the media let this White House and the Republican presidential campaign get away with trying to stir up a war with Russia for political purposes. Probably. It's what they do.
Upon further review of watching CNN the event they televised at the rich white peoples church last night on CNN and listening to I've learned:
1-Barack Obama may or may not be the anti-christ.
2-The forum was a set up in which McCain was given the questions before hand to appear mentally quick and prepared.
3-It was more or less a one hour John McCain campaign infomercial.
4-The powerful white owned corporate media have it in for Barack Obama.
5-CNN has become FUX II.
We need a new thread. Thread Fairies?
Will the media let this White House and the Republican presidential campaign get away with trying to stir up a war with Russia for political purposes.
What, like there's an alternative?
Diane posting on war criminals' latest threat to our safety, all 90 lbs of her at http://cabdrollery.blogspot.com/
There are no grounds for returning to war criminals in power if there is a war, they've shown no ability to deal with any of their own.
Frank Rich: The Candidate We Still Don't Know.
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/1...=th&
oref=slogin
What, like there's an alternative?
V for Virginia, sleepless
----------------------
There used to be, before the media became part of the republican party. Now they just want to protect their weinies at John McCains barbeques. You know what happens to journalists and their employers if they say anything bad. No weinies at the next cookout.
John McCain: I put America first.
Translation: I put corporate America and the rich first over the average American. Anyone making less than $250,000.00 is a sub citizen.
Watching a bit of Rick Warren's "Forum" with McCain
and Obama, I was struck how the fundies in the audience lapped up every rote, brain-dead conservatard trope Huggy could trot out, as if they were not at all responsible for the last 7+ years.
Dear Dawg, make this heat wave break!
More sheeeets.
Fresh thread, Avedon?
Morning, rational people.
I've had an unpleasant morning. The power in the neighborhood keeps going out.
2-The forum was a set up in which McCain was given the questions before hand to appear mentally quick and prepared.
3-It was more or less a one hour John McCain campaign infomercial.
No one could have anticipated that a church holding a forum for which only its members could get tickets (if they had between $500 and $2000 lying around) would turn out that way.
It's such a Fair And Balanced way to run a bipartisan political event that it makes me nauseous.
Ruth, I hope you don't really have a "fuse" box. Circuit breakers, maybe?
plantsman, that was an excellent article by Yom Rich, he hits the nail on the head.
Thanks for this wonderful music!
re the video: terrific - and i'm not usually an oistrakh fan (slava always rocks) thanks A!
new attack video from the McCainvsIowa people!!!!!
this one is on equal pay. Clearly. McSame is rediculous.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q...h?
v=qKrqzyKw0gk
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