BBL...
David Derbes, optimistic |
07.12.09 - 11:53 am | #
East Germany was way more dis-spiriting than that.
plantsman, mad google skillz |
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07.12.09 - 11:53 am | #
The X2000? Next Goteborg, Copenhagen Where in the World...
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Agent Orange |
07.12.09 - 11:53 am | #
East Germany was way more dis-spiriting than that.
plantsman, mad google skillz
Try Minsk, even the flowers are gray.
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Agent Orange |
07.12.09 - 11:54 am | #
Where's the litterbox?
leibniz♘☮ |
07.12.09 - 11:54 am | #
cat's probably thinking about lutefisk
Dude, it's Scandanavia - cat's thinking about suicide.
GWPDA Heroine of the Workplace |
07.12.09 - 11:54 am | #
ILLICIT CAT!
Jeffraham, public option |
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07.12.09 - 11:54 am | #
It's 68℉ in Stockholm, right now.
plantsman, mad google skillz |
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07.12.09 - 11:55 am | #
the intrain movie was the bergman flick about death?
pretzel |
07.12.09 - 11:55 am | #
cons will never admit global warming exists because its not in the bible
Somebody should tell them about teh fire next time.
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QuentinCompson, Retributionary |
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07.12.09 - 11:55 am | #
yes yes sweden.
the x2000 is a swedish train.
peterboy |
07.12.09 - 11:55 am | #
swedish sounds somewhat like german.
mimi |
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07.12.09 - 11:55 am | #
Horn re-install: That went well... NOT.
Best I could get was an anemic "meep," and that was if I was touching the horn. 10 persnickity screws and a quart of sweat later, still no horn.
Jeffraham, public option |
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07.12.09 - 11:56 am | #
And who could forget the massive rioting of Catholics across Europe when poor Galileo was persecuted for publishing the heretical and counter-intuitive belief that the Earth was moving.
"Why just last week I had a drink with Galileo at the bar and he explained the whole thing to me about how my perceptions were all wrong. I told all my friends, they told all theirs too. It created a ground swell of enlightenment".
That's a bad analogy, for two reasons. One: the reality of the persecution of Galileo was much more complicated than you suggest. And, two: Galileo actually was pushing the science, and not simply repeating something that educated people knew for two thousand years-- there's no reason to think that common people knew what cutting edge scientists were doing. But, I suggest, there's lots of reasons why common people would know about commonly accepted and long-held scientific beliefs.
Moe Szyslak |
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07.12.09 - 11:56 am | #
my swedish friend has arrived and will be staying until the 14th and then she's off to stockholm.
mimi |
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07.12.09 - 11:56 am | #
The cat is contemplating a chess game with death. She will win by swiping the pieces off the board with her paw.
Mark B.--Buzzkiller |
07.12.09 - 11:56 am | #
It's 68℉ in Stockholm, right now.
About half what it is in Phoenix.(Ok,ok, it's not that kind of scale)
leibniz♘☮ |
07.12.09 - 11:57 am | #
Swedish has far fewer words than English. Perhaps only 1/9 or 1/10th as many.
plantsman, mad google skillz |
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07.12.09 - 11:57 am | #
The joke I heard in Denmark: Danish came from a drunk Swede and a drunk German trying to talk to each other.
NTodd,שלו |
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07.12.09 - 11:57 am | #
dont like cats on a train, very much...they bring on my asthma.
stupid socialists
peterboy |
07.12.09 - 11:57 am | #
It's fucking ridiculously hot here, today.
Jeffraham, public option |
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07.12.09 - 11:57 am | #
The flat v round earth debate below reminds me of an otherwise great book about the Old Europeans (Neolithic and Bronze Age) by Marija Gimbutas, where she argued that these people with their matriarchal society and their wonderful bird/snake goddess and their guilds and farming and animal breeding somehow did not know where babies came from.
Speedy |
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07.12.09 - 11:57 am | #
fuck off Ntoad.
mimi |
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07.12.09 - 11:57 am | #
Is that the local Ikea store out the window?
General Zod |
07.12.09 - 11:58 am | #
While it makes very clear the belief in a flat Earth among scholars was essentially non-existent, it sheds no light whatsoever on what the common folk believed. I'm getting that this might be a pretty tough question to find an answer for.
slartibartfast |
07.12.09 - 11:58 am | #
SF Chronicle ^ | 12 July 2009 | Willie Brown
The pundits are wrong. Conventional wisdom is wrong. Sarah Palin's decision to step down as Alaska governor was a brilliant move. snip . . . The pundits call her a quitter, but let's be honest - the pundits never liked her to begin with. Better to take one hit for stepping down and move on than to stay in Alaska and die a death by a thousand cuts. Governor or not, Palin is still the biggest star in the Republican galaxy. After all, who else have they got?
The Mittster and a candidate to be named later?
Lime Rickey |
07.12.09 - 11:59 am | #
The Old English we took to Berlin would
climb right onto buses and subway cars and then splay out in the center of the aisle as soon as they began moving.
plantsman, mad google skillz |
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07.12.09 - 11:59 am | #
Jeffraham, public option |
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07.12.09 - 11:59 am | #
Galileo actually was pushing the science, and not simply repeating something that educated people knew for two thousand years-- there's no reason to think that common people knew what cutting edge scientists were doing.
At the time, the earth-centric model worked well enough for astronomical observations and predictions. Given that the Church pretty much used Aristotle as another Gospel author, to upset that apple cart was significant and not something most people would even be able to see in everyday life like a round earth. It wouldn't qualitatively impact their ability to navigate their lives or the ocean.
NTodd,שלו |
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07.12.09 - 12:00 pm | #
I'm getting that this might be a pretty tough question to find an answer for.
For random people in a comments section, sure. But historians get paid to look into stuff like this. Probably some medieval scholar has researched it. I just don't know who that somebody is.
Moe Szyslak |
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07.12.09 - 12:01 pm | #
fuck off Ntoad.
This seems a bit hostile and uncalled for just because I shared a joke Danes told me.
NTodd,שלו |
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07.12.09 - 12:01 pm | #
.Knowing that the world is round and dealing with it effectively are two different things.
Figuring out your latitude is pretty straightforward. Figuring out your longitude is really hard, and thereon hangs a very entertaining tale of Enlightenment science.
slartibartfast |
07.12.09 - 12:02 pm | #
Best I could get was an anemic "meep," and that was if I was touching the horn. 10 persnickity screws and a quart of sweat later, still no horn.
Probably a bad ground. Clean off a bit of paint on one of the mounting points of the new horn, and polish it with a pencil eraser to remove all corrosion. Make sure one of the mounting screws makes good contact with the area you just cleaned the paint off. You only need to clean a very small area, about the size of the mounting screw head. The mounting screw will make a good contact already with the body through its threads. Give the whole thing a light coating of dielectic grease (avalable at any auto parts store) if you don't want it to ever corrode.
Mark B.--Buzzkiller |
07.12.09 - 12:02 pm | #
In general, pets in the parts of Germany I was in were welcome on transit, well-behaved (quiet under table) in restaurants, etc.
plantsman, mad google skillz |
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07.12.09 - 12:02 pm | #
The catlick church if nothing else, is consistent. First it was ignorance of the solar system, now it's the evil of stem cell research and birth control. There hostility toward enlightenment will never cease.
macacawitz |
07.12.09 - 12:02 pm | #
One: the reality of the persecution of Galileo was much more complicated than you suggest
True but irrelevant
two: Galileo actually was pushing the science, and not simply repeating something that educated people knew for two thousand years--
And the mass of society actually talked to the navigators who took the star sightings at sea. As opposed to the sailors who were 'simply repeating' the tales of successful voyages they and others experienced for thousands of years.
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Agent Orange |
07.12.09 - 12:02 pm | #
.Probably some medieval scholar has researched it. I just don't know who that somebody is.
Moe Szyslak
Let me rephrase. I'm getting that this will be a pretty hard question to answer without going to some actual physical dusty stacks in a library somewhere.
slartibartfast |
07.12.09 - 12:03 pm | #
I mutes FTN after 30 seconds. Just couldn't take it anymore.
macacawitz |
07.12.09 - 12:03 pm | #
Willie Brown is known for his killer fashion sense and keen political instincts.
plantsman, mad google skillz |
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07.12.09 - 12:04 pm | #
Swedish has far fewer words than English. Perhaps only 1/9 or 1/10th as many.
Interesting. They probably make up for it by having 14 different declensions for each word.
Mark B.--Buzzkiller |
07.12.09 - 12:04 pm | #
were the mass of commoners aware of the galileo trial, around the time it took place?
pretzel |
07.12.09 - 12:04 pm | #
Figuring out your longitude is really hard, and thereon hangs a very entertaining tale of Enlightenment science.
Adding: longitude had been figured out by about 1500. The real trick was doing it at sea, and simplifying the process so it didn't require specific astronomical events, an almanac and hours of tedious calculations.
NTodd,שלו |
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07.12.09 - 12:04 pm | #
For random people in a comments section, sure
Random?
ftr I've been teaching this stuff at the University level for 31 years now.
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Agent Orange |
07.12.09 - 12:04 pm | #
were the mass of commoners aware of the galileo trial, around the time it took place?
It was the talk of Meet the Press.
leibniz♘☮ |
07.12.09 - 12:05 pm | #
The Soviet Barracks encircling West Berlin, now those were dis-spiriting.
plantsman, mad google skillz |
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07.12.09 - 12:05 pm | #
El Gato Negro has competition!
The Old Man From Scene 24 |
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07.12.09 - 12:06 pm | #
Mornin, all -
Existential question for the morning: to brave the crowds, and go see the Tall Ships this afternoon, or not...
bill buckner |
07.12.09 - 12:06 pm | #
The Soviet Barracks encircling West Berlin, now those were dis-spiriting.
Is the Kenyan Barrack related? Now we see an Islamic-Marxist connection!
NTodd,שלו |
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07.12.09 - 12:06 pm | #
Figuring out your latitude is pretty straightforward. Figuring out your longitude is really hard, and thereon hangs a very entertaining tale of Enlightenment science.
slartibartfast
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Delaware would have had no sea coast if not for a latitude misperception. The English king land-granted to several people surrounding lands in the mid-Atlantic.
The 48th parallel ? was a boundary indicator. When the Catholics of Maryland wanted to claim the lower Delmarva, the squabble was whether their land grant was within the latitudinal lines or was the 48th the boundary itself.
Nancy Willing |
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07.12.09 - 12:06 pm | #
Mark B.: Probably a bad ground.
That's what I thought, too, but the horn is the old horn that worked fine, before, and it has two terminals, hot and gnd.
The terminals are clean (the ones inside the bike are encased in transparent weatherproof plastic). I suspect the horn itself has something jammed in it from riding around these last few months in an Aldi shopping bag with numerous other objects.
I just need to figure out how to mount this stupid Stebel Nautilus in there, ASAP. I do feel kinda naked without the horn, though.
I must say that most cats I know would be profoundly traumatized if you tried to take them on a train.
slartibartfast |
07.12.09 - 12:06 pm | #
How could they have been, moveable type didn't yet exist and transport was glacial by today's standards.
plantsman, mad google skillz |
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07.12.09 - 12:07 pm | #
It was the talk of Meet the Press.
leibniz♘☮ | 07.12.09 - 12:05 pm | #
well there was some chatter about a secret govt program to protect the sanctity of our view of the universe, but the details were lacking.
pretzel |
07.12.09 - 12:07 pm | #
As I'm sure you know NTodd, accurate longitude at sea waited for only one technical advance. An accurate clock that could handle the accelerations of a ship at sea for months at a time.
The rest was easy.
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Agent Orange |
07.12.09 - 12:07 pm | #
Blolf Witzer to Sec. Sebelius: How are you going to afford to pay $1 tn if not more, for health care?
billy b |
07.12.09 - 12:07 pm | #
Left... BELOW!
Bill Moyer's Journal on the health insurance companies battle against government health care.
We all need to get and make copies of this and send DVDs to the hired help in D.C., along with the BBC Horizon program on the Americans who can't afford insurance and can't afford health care.
Finally, we need to participate in our 'participatory democracy'. We need to support More and Better Democrats against the entrenched GOP, and yes, the entrenched Democrats who are the bought and paid for shills for the health insurance industries.
There are websites which list who gave money to the Representatives and Senators, and how much they gave. Useful information indeed, when writing LTE and the hired help.
We have to do it. No one else will.
Oh, and one more thing. For every letter to the editor, every letter to a Congresscritter and Senator, for every DVD sent to the Representative and Senators, you send a copy of those letters and DVDs to the White House.
Let the President know that we support the public option, we want single payer and that if the President fights for this, we will support him at the state and Congressional district level.
Chris Tucker: Flawnting! |
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07.12.09 - 12:08 pm | #
im just saying that a mass movement to protest the galileo trial would have been unlikely in any case.
pretzel |
07.12.09 - 12:08 pm | #
Blolf is really whipping the "tax the richest Americans" stupidity.
Chris Tucker: We all need to get and make copies of this and send DVDs to the hired help in D.C., along with the BBC Horizon program on the Americans who can't afford insurance and can't afford health care.
The "hired help" are well aware. They just think WE AREN'T (and many of "us" aren't).
Let me rephrase. I'm getting that this will be a pretty hard question to answer without going to some actual physical dusty stacks in a library somewhere.
slartibartfast
I agree with that, and will be happy to acknowledge my mistake if proven wrong.
But, lacking direct evidence, I tend to believe that common people generally have more scientific knowledge than we give them credit for. And, yes, I'd say that's true of fundies, even-- their resistance to evolution and such is ideological, not scientific. (The biology profs in the fundie college I used to report on were quite happy to teach evolution and genetics...)
Now, there might have been some ideological reason for the common Medieval people to oppose the round-earth theory, but since they swallowed whole Catholicism, and since the Catholic hierarchy all taught that the earth was round, I'm having a hard time identifying what that ideological reason would have been.
Moe Szyslak |
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07.12.09 - 12:09 pm | #
im just saying that a mass movement to protest the galileo trial would have been unlikely in any case.
pretzel
Sorry the snark light was burned out, I'll replace it.
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Agent Orange |
07.12.09 - 12:09 pm | #
Trains bound for Moscow would pass through Berlin's Bahnhof Zoo, jammed with African students going to be indoctrinated while being despised by most ordinary Soviets.
plantsman, mad google skillz |
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07.12.09 - 12:09 pm | #
That's what I thought, too, but the horn is the old horn that worked fine, before, and it has two terminals, hot and gnd.
Oh, I forgot. Horns are usually wired always hot, and the ground is switched. Try wiring it in with alligator clips from the battery. If you get a full sound, you have a fault in the circuit, and you will have to trace it for a bad connection. Otherwise, you need a new horn.
Mark B.--Buzzkiller |
07.12.09 - 12:10 pm | #
Economics expert Woodward: You can't tinker around the edges and that's what a stimulus is.
STFU and visit chimpy on his front porch.
JT |
07.12.09 - 12:10 pm | #
Well, even a straightforward measurement can be screwed up by an unintelligent or careless person. It is nonetheless a straightforward measurement. The elevation of the north star = your latitude. That's about as simple as it gets. All you need is a tube with some crosshairs, a protractor, and a plumb bob. Figuring out your longitude is way harder than that unless you have a highly accurate chronometer.
slartibartfast |
07.12.09 - 12:11 pm | #
It was the talk of Meet the Press.
Clearly Galileo's trial was good news for Republicans.
As I'm sure you know NTodd, accurate longitude at sea waited for only one technical advance. An accurate clock that could handle the accelerations of a ship at sea for months at a time.
The rest was easy.
John Harrison is one of my heroes.
NTodd,שלו |
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07.12.09 - 12:11 pm | #
Trains bound for Moscow would pass through Berlin's Bahnhof Zoo, jammed with African students going to be indoctrinated while being despised by most ordinary Soviets.
plantsman,
Having the wheels of the train changed underneath you at 1AM at the Polish Belarus border is better than going to Disney World.
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Agent Orange |
07.12.09 - 12:12 pm | #
Existential question for the morning: to brave the crowds, and go see the Tall Ships this afternoon, or not...
bill buckner
I say "go". I've never seen them but my sister says they are magnificent.
Oh, and hi, everyone
Is this secret program related to that TIA program Poindexter initiated that came and went (at least publicly)some years ago?
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Sparkle Plenty |
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07.12.09 - 12:12 pm | #
I've been teaching this stuff at the University level for 31 years now.
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Agent Orange
You've been teaching what the common people of Europe thought for 31 years, and you can't come up with one piece of evidence to back your claims?
Moe Szyslak |
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07.12.09 - 12:13 pm | #
Geez, nobody commented on my Basshunter link. I guess obnoxious Swedish Techo muzik isn't popular on Sunday morning.
Mark B.--Basshunter |
07.12.09 - 12:13 pm | #
But, lacking direct evidence, I tend to believe that common people generally have more scientific knowledge than we give them credit for.
Well it's nice to believe that, but I must say that my direct experience was that Austrian peasants of my Grandmother's generation believed some pretty silly things, which is also neother here nor there but at least suggests that prevailing scholarly wisdom can often bear little relation to folk belief.
slartibartfast |
07.12.09 - 12:13 pm | #
Is this secret program related to that TIA program Poindexter initiated that came and went (at least publicly)some years ago?
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Sparkle Plenty | Homepage | 07.12.09 - 12:12
well, i read some descriptions that indicated this was "something new", so i'm guessing that's not it.
pretzel |
07.12.09 - 12:14 pm | #
legacy Atrios vacation back cat does not approve of new Atrios vacation black cat.
Is this secret program related to that TIA program Poindexter initiated that came and went (at least publicly)some years ago?
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Sparkle Plenty | Homepage | 07.12.09 - 12:12
well, i read some descriptions that indicated this was "something new", so i'm guessing that's not it.
pretzel
I'm gonna go with prison camps for liberals.
Mark B.--Basshunter |
07.12.09 - 12:15 pm | #
i wonder if there are companies that rent cats for tourists that miss their cats back home (ja, and remember felix likes to sit in train windows and watch the scenery go by)
pretzel |
07.12.09 - 12:16 pm | #
If someone else made this joke earlier, I apologize.
Do you think he switched murders with another cat on the super train?
Monica_A: Giggity! |
07.12.09 - 12:16 pm | #
In those days, the rail gauge changed at the East German border crossing, at the (not) yummy East German "Mitropa" dining car was spliced into the train.
plantsman, mad google skillz |
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07.12.09 - 12:16 pm | #
I'm getting that this might be a pretty tough question to find an answer for.
Not really. 'Course, some mediaevalist would have to care one way or another and take a look at the relevant material. And there's all that tiresome scholarly training that has to happen before that.
GWPDA Heroine of the Workplace |
07.12.09 - 12:16 pm | #
Good use of the Swedish bestamd form.
Bajsa |
07.12.09 - 12:17 pm | #
The Return of Martin Guerre of based on solid historic research. It demonstrates that it's possible to get into the heads of Medieval people by using court records, transcripts from the Inquisition, contemporary poetry, etc.
Moe Szyslak |
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07.12.09 - 12:18 pm | #
everybody gets more out of their keyboard than i do (sniffles)
pretzel |
07.12.09 - 12:18 pm | #
Den svarta katten har utsikten från X2000.
plantsman, mad google skillz |
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07.12.09 - 12:18 pm | #
Wheres the barcar with the free "all you can eat" meow mix?
Maglev |
07.12.09 - 12:19 pm | #
I saw one kind of Beer in East Germany, "Deutsches Pils".
plantsman, mad google skillz |
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07.12.09 - 12:20 pm | #
I propose that we move the prime meridian to the U.S.of A. where it belongs. The UK has had its grimy mitts on it long enough.
Lime Rickey |
07.12.09 - 12:20 pm | #
I probably have only a few more hours to go of hoping that some other father is getting the most unwanted official visit. Sry bout that.
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QuentinCompson, Retributionary |
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07.12.09 - 12:23 pm | #
did I hear Chris Matthews compare Judge Sotomejor to Judge Judy?
focus, schmart too late |
07.12.09 - 12:23 pm | #
The cat's looking for a kitty porn shoppe.
plantsman, mad google skillz |
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07.12.09 - 12:23 pm | #
Back in the 80s, I experimented with some black and white film make in East Germany. It was great for some stuff, since it had a nice stark look to it and sharp grain. I never could get enough of it to work with it regularly, so I mostly used Tri-X, which was pretty close.
Mark B.--Basshunter |
07.12.09 - 12:23 pm | #
I think the brand name was Orwo.
Mark B.--Basshunter |
07.12.09 - 12:24 pm | #
And now Kodachrome is or shortly will be gone.
plantsman, mad google skillz |
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07.12.09 - 12:24 pm | #
im sorry quentincompson, that you have to go through this.
pretzel |
07.12.09 - 12:25 pm | #
I hope for the best for you, QC.
plantsman, mad google skillz |
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07.12.09 - 12:25 pm | #
dont take my kodachrome awaaay
pretzel |
07.12.09 - 12:26 pm | #
And now Kodachrome is or shortly will be gone.
Has Kodak confirmed they won't fire up the production line again? Last I heard they weren't saying one way or another. They had been firing it once every couple of years and making enough for several years. It's very expensive to fire up.
Mark B.--Basshunter |
07.12.09 - 12:26 pm | #
I probably have only a few more hours to go of hoping that some other father is getting the most unwanted official visit. Sry bout that.
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QuentinCompson
And this folks crashes us right back to earth. I hate reality. So much more fun to follow the back and forth of two educated people having a civilized discussion over what people believed hundreds of years ago.
QL- |
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07.12.09 - 12:26 pm | #
Film is going the way of vinyl.
slartibartfast |
07.12.09 - 12:27 pm | #
QuentinCompson, peace to you
focus, schmart too late |
07.12.09 - 12:28 pm | #
So much more fun to follow the back and forth of two educated people having a civilized discussion over what people believed hundreds of years ago.
Or, we would rather spend $ on killing people than on history and understanding what people thought
leibniz♘☮ |
07.12.09 - 12:28 pm | #
I mean, some films did do a truly remarkable job of color reproduction, but at the end of he day CCD technology is going to be better in every way.
slartibartfast |
07.12.09 - 12:29 pm | #
And this folks crashes us right back to earth. I hate reality.
Maybe we can all work harder to change the reality...
NTodd,שלו |
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07.12.09 - 12:29 pm | #
Well, that's too bad. The truth is that Kodak can't make money on Kodachrome. Even if they charged a high price per roll, they couldn't recover the several million dollar cost of firing up the production line.
Mark B.--Basshunter |
07.12.09 - 12:29 pm | #
cats heart public transportation
jr |
07.12.09 - 12:29 pm | #
I mean, some films did do a truly remarkable job of color reproduction, but at the end of he day CCD technology is going to be better in every way.
You're gonna start a digital-analog war here!
leibniz♘☮ |
07.12.09 - 12:30 pm | #
It's true; some films rendered flower colors quite unnaturally, but Ektachrome gave great sky.
plantsman, mad google skillz |
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07.12.09 - 12:30 pm | #
I liked Panatomic-X. The name was so space-agey.
plantsman, mad google skillz |
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07.12.09 - 12:32 pm | #
MCCAIN: Well, I wasn't shocked. Obviously, I was a bit surprised, but I wasn't shocked. I understand that Sarah made the decision where she can be most effective for Alaska and for the country. I love and respect her and her family. I'm grateful that she agreed to run with me. I am confident she will be a major factor in the national scene, and in Alaska, as well.
auggiesback |
07.12.09 - 12:33 pm | #
I finally saw the Carl's, Jr. "bikini girl". Their "Most than just a piece of
meat" tagline adds some ick.
plantsman, mad google skillz |
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07.12.09 - 12:33 pm | #
Vinyl's doing quite well now, actually.
AndyG
As a collecttor's item or a niche market, maybe, but it used to be the standard. Now even CD's are onthe way out.
slartibartfast |
07.12.09 - 12:34 pm | #
Silver chemical is still better than CCD for resolution, but CCD is getting closer. And a lot of people like the look of analog photography. The texture of a random silver crystal grains just looks better than the regular grid of a CCD to my eyes. But electronic photography enjoys such an advantage is cost and ease of use that film photography will be only a small enthusiasts market in the near future. It will never completely die out, but then you can say the same thing about vinyl.
Mark B.--Basshunter |
07.12.09 - 12:34 pm | #
Glad to see Phoebe Cates running away with that swimsuit poll @ HuffPo.
Phoebe Cates great overlooked movie --
Princess Caraboo!
Trust me on this one -- absolutely adorable period piece.
steve simels |
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07.12.09 - 12:34 pm | #
Yes, most effective when running her mouth and not doing a damn thing. No Doubt.
plantsman, mad google skillz |
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07.12.09 - 12:35 pm | #
You're gonna start a digital-analog war here!
leibniz♘☮ |
You know the Early Greeks predicted just that (and MAC vs PC) 2000 years ago but I'm too tired to collect the evidence. Lacking that I think I'll leave for now. I'll go work on something I know about. (Why don't we ever have threads on solid state detection of Cerenkov radiation using novel optical systems and avalanche photo diodes!)
You'll pry my cassingle from my cold, dead hands.
AndyG |
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07.12.09 - 12:37 pm | #
McCain is in love with her ass, he doesn't give a damn about the country, he'll be dead.
plantsman, mad google skillz |
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07.12.09 - 12:37 pm | #
Afternoon, Moonbats! Another perfect day here in the Old Dominion.
Hecate, Runnymeade Conspirator |
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07.12.09 - 12:38 pm | #
Hey DUMB ASS........ You still sucking rods?
manrico60 (1 month ago) -2 Reply
Ni,I let that job to that fucking whore that is your mother,she is real good:she can take 3 cocks at the same time ass,cunt and mouth.
bondobooty (1 month ago) -1 Reply
Ni? What do you think you're German? You have been watching to many Mexican porno's. Get you're head out of Castor's Ass. You sick bastard!! You should probaly be very careful what you say because you're govt. is watching you're every move. Including you're evening goat humping. Humping beast you sick pervert!!!!
QL- |
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07.12.09 - 12:38 pm | #
You'll pry my cassingle from my cold, dead hands.
AndyG
Someone needs to survive to teach ancient history to the next generation.
When leaving this, place never ever look back over your shoulder!
Out!
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Agent Orange |
07.12.09 - 12:38 pm | #
Ew, QL. Please cut-and-paste no more of that.
plantsman, mad google skillz |
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07.12.09 - 12:39 pm | #
Silver-gel prints of John Muir's work in Yosemite are astonishing.
plantsman, mad google skillz
I'd love to see them. Gots link, maybe?
Upsidasium |
07.12.09 - 12:39 pm | #
. The texture of a random silver crystal grains just looks better than the regular grid of a CCD to my eyes.
You can project a high-res digital image onto photo printing paper and get the same effect. I don't see where the actual film provides anything essential.
slartibartfast |
07.12.09 - 12:39 pm | #
People who post comments on Youtube are idiots, teenagers, or both.
Mark B.--Basshunter |
07.12.09 - 12:40 pm | #
I've only ever seen them in meatspace, in California art shops.
plantsman, mad google skillz |
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07.12.09 - 12:40 pm | #
You sick bastard!! You should probaly be very careful what you say because you're govt. is watching you're every move. Including you're evening goat humping. Humping beast you sick pervert!!!!
Probably one of the more coherent comments to come out of YouTube.
AndyG |
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07.12.09 - 12:40 pm | #
Now haloscan is fucking up (more).
leibniz♘☮ |
07.12.09 - 12:41 pm | #
...but then of course there will always be people who see something aesthetically essential in the film itself, and they may be enough to sustain a long-term niche market for it.
slartibartfast |
07.12.09 - 12:41 pm | #
I dunno what we're talking about.
Can I just make up something, or link to kitteh pixels?
You can project a high-res digital image onto photo printing paper and get the same effect.
I can tell the difference. This image would have to been created with a fake effect in the digital age. You could have simulated it, but it's not the same.
Mark B.--Basshunter |
07.12.09 - 12:44 pm | #
Mark B.: I can tell the difference. This image would have to been created with a fake effect in the digital age. You could have simulated it, but it's not the same.
There's nothing fake about adding noise in a Gaussian distribution to an image.
...but then of course there will always be people who see something aesthetically essential in the film itself, and they may be enough to sustain a long-term niche market for it.
slartibartfast
My info may be out of date, but iirc film has (had) a higher range of contrast than most digital cameras. A friend who's into serious high-end digital says you can get the same range with digital, in fact you can duplicate different types of film stock, but it requires a medium-format camera with a digital back, which means a five-figure price tag.
Upsidasium |
07.12.09 - 12:47 pm | #
Sorry pm, the juxtaposition of the aria and the comments was just kind of striking.
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07.12.09 - 12:47 pm | #
Here's a link to Muir's Yosemite Photos online. I'm unsure how well your monitor and the web can render them:
If you go to Tarawa you can take a boat ride of less than a hundred miles and visit the eastern hemisphere, the western hemisphere, the northern hemisphere and the southern hemisphere, quite literally, the four corners of the globe. If it's not flat, how can it have such nice square corners?
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07.12.09 - 12:49 pm | #
Sorry pm, the juxtaposition of the aria and the comments was just kind of striking.
QL- | Homepage | 07.12.09 - 12:47 pm | #
Oh please, who amongst us hasn't had the same reaction to Alfredo Kraus.
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07.12.09 - 12:49 pm | #
When I was little my mom and I drove by a story called "Serendipity.'
I asked my mom what that word meant and she said "what do you think it means?"
Leave to Rahm to not want to prosecute torturers. Geez, he's a dick sometimes!
plantsman, mad google skillz |
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07.12.09 - 12:50 pm | #
FinkelBlog ^ | Mark Finkelstein
If there’s one thing likely to rally Republicans around Sarah Palin, even those who might harbor qualms about her, it’s to see her literally laughed at and mocked by the likes of Charles Schumer and Bob Shrum. On Today’s Meet The Press, the senior senator from New York and the former Dem campaign adviser did just that.
Don't you get it, Finkelstein? We WANT the Puke Party to rally around Sarah so's we can laugh at y'all all at once.
Lime Rickey |
07.12.09 - 12:50 pm | #
Blog-post about Eric Holder and Rahm at war over whether to appoint "torture prosecutor":
No one could have anticipated . . . .
Hecate, Runnymeade Conspirator |
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07.12.09 - 12:51 pm | #
I wanna sell audiophiles broken-in component connector cables. For big dollahs.
I knew an audiophile who claimed that he could tell the difference between a high-end system hooked up to electricity from a hydroelectric plant as opposed to one from coal.
Swear to god.
steve simels |
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07.12.09 - 12:51 pm | #
Hey plants, what were you doing in East Germany?
Anonymous |
07.12.09 - 12:51 pm | #
I can tell the difference. This image would have to been created with a fake effect in the digital age. You could have simulated it, but it's not the same.
Mark B.--Basshunter
Of course, I can't make any real judgment based on that image, because I can only look at it as a either digital image here or as a CMYK halftone print on the actual CD. Anyhow, I suppose you can raise some sort of ethical questions about the "fakeness" of digital effects, and I guess I'd have no answer to that. But from a practical standpoint, I'd bet that with a sufficiently high-res digital source image and good enough image processing software, you could project that onto photo paper in such a way that would produce a result indistinguishable from what you would get if you used a film negative.
slartibartfast |
07.12.09 - 12:51 pm | #
Trains are fun, Hecate. Boy Ouzo loved going on trains. But now he's 16 and his love of trains has been replaced by his love of muscle cars.
Monica_A: Giggity! |
07.12.09 - 12:51 pm | #
Fucking cat has learned that if he sits on the mouse I can't work effectively at the computer, which may result in more pets for him.
Anonymous |
07.12.09 - 12:51 pm | #
Back to tiling. I can agree to disagree about the esthetics of digital photography. I have a planned project to build a darkroom sometime in the next year, so you know where I stand on it.
Mark B.--Basshunter |
07.12.09 - 12:52 pm | #
There's a documentary about Tarawa in which a marine starts crying when he sees the invading beaches have been turned into trash heaps.
leibniz♘☮ |
07.12.09 - 12:52 pm | #
Why the fuck am I Anonymous?
Oh yeah, I cleared the cookies last night.
Adam Hominem |
07.12.09 - 12:52 pm | #
this proves that mcsame will say anything, do anything.
it is, on its face, insane and a lie.
he would pick her again cause he liked losing and liked having the pick seen as firm evidence of his bad judgment and recklessness by a significant majority of Americans?
http://abcnews.go.com/PollingUni...=6067150&
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On the vice presidential candidates, 52 percent of likely voters say McCain's pick of Palin has made them less confident in the kind of decisions he'd make as president; that's up 13 points since just after the selection, as doubts about Palin's qualifications (also voiced by Powell on Sunday) have grown. Just 38 percent say it makes them more confident in McCain's judgment, down 12 points.
Those numbers are more than reversed on Obama's pick of Joe Biden: 56 percent of likely voters say it makes them more confident in Obama's decision-making, 31 percent less so.
peterboy |
07.12.09 - 12:53 pm | #
Fucking cat has learned that if he sits on the mouse I can't work effectively at the computer, which may result in more pets for him.
Anonymous
I can't believe that I've ever done anything, in any incarnation, to deserve this
How can you even say that, Hecate. You raised a wonderful man who in turn is raising a wonderful man. You deserve a ton of credit.
Monica_A: Giggity! |
07.12.09 - 12:53 pm | #
steve simels: I knew an audiophile who claimed that he could tell the difference between a high-end system hooked up to electricity from a hydroelectric plant as opposed to one from coal.
The plop-on-the-keyboard technique works, too.
Upsidasium
So that's why it's so hairy.
Adam Hominem |
07.12.09 - 12:54 pm | #
There's a documentary about Tarawa in which a marine starts crying when he sees the invading beaches have been turned into trash heaps.
NTodd,שלו |
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07.12.09 - 12:54 pm | #
I passed though East Germany getting from West Germany to West Berlin and sometimes went into East Berlin to Check it out or just on the Subway lines
that passed through East Stations with Soviet soldiers on empty platforms every 2 meters with machine guns aimed at the trains.
plantsman, mad google skillz |
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07.12.09 - 12:54 pm | #
There's a documentary about Tarawa in which a marine starts crying when he sees the invading beaches have been turned into trash heaps.
Marines are such wimps.
And I suck at tags.
NTodd,שלו |
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07.12.09 - 12:55 pm | #
did I hear Chris Matthews compare Judge Sotomayor to Judge Judy?
Well, if Chris Matthews didn't say something stupid on a regular basis, then how would we know that he is still one of the silliest cable show hosts in the business?
Thread Theorist |
07.12.09 - 12:55 pm | #
with Soviet soldiers on empty platforms every 2 meters with machine guns aimed at the trains.
plantsman, mad google skillz
Now there's a wingnut's erotic fantasy...
Upsidasium |
07.12.09 - 12:55 pm | #
Swear to god.
[rolls eyes]
Jeffraham, public option
You can spend a whole shitload of money on fancy cables to connect your speakers, or you can use zip cord. Blinded studies prove no one can tell the difference, in fact there is no difference, but they still sell those cables.
Adam Hominem |
07.12.09 - 12:55 pm | #
I'd bet that with a sufficiently high-res digital source image and good enough image processing software, you could project that onto photo paper in such a way that would produce a result indistinguishable from what you would get if you used a film negative.
yeah, it's a crappy rendition, and with the moire pattern created from the interaction from the monitor and the halftone it was scanned from makes it look even worse. But you're assuming the resolution of the CCD is higher than the paper. With high quality printing paper at a reasonable enlargement, this is almost certainly false, unless you have a huge CCD. OK, I'm gone for a couple of house to put up tile in the bathroom.
Mark B.--Basshunter |
07.12.09 - 12:56 pm | #
How can you even say that, Hecate. You raised a wonderful man who in turn is raising a wonderful man. You deserve a ton of credit.
You v sweet. I just have so much fun w/ that little boy, I swear.
Hecate, Runnymeade Conspirator |
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07.12.09 - 12:56 pm | #
It scared me a lot. The red Marx and Lenin Children's Books in the East Berlin bookstores kind of freaked me out, too.
plantsman, mad google skillz |
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07.12.09 - 12:56 pm | #
There's a great book about a guy and his soon-to-be wife who pack it in and go live in Tarawa. Now if I could only remember the name.
Adam Hominem |
07.12.09 - 12:56 pm | #
Um, I think it should be "den svart katt" in Swedish.
It's "det sort katten" in Norwegian, so it sounds kinda like you're splitting the difference...)
Cereal |
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07.12.09 - 12:57 pm | #
Good afternoon, folks:
Gee, the "minds" of Freepers:
"If it is liberal and if it is antiwar it is pro-abortion.
Makes me sick to see liberals in church when I know what they stand for.
If you are robbing a bank and you are driving the get away car you are an accomplice.
If you are a Democrat and you vote into office an official who is pro-abotion you are an accomp-LICE."
So let me get this straight: it's patriotic to be for war, but you're a bad person if you believe in women's reproductive rights.
These people are absolutely bonkers.
Terry C - Castrating B*tch* |
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07.12.09 - 12:57 pm | #
These people are absolutely bonkers.
Terry C - Castrating B*tch*
Want to hear my theory that the Neanderthal never actually died out?
Adam Hominem |
07.12.09 - 12:58 pm | #
Poster Basja, a Swede, named the precise Swedish tense it is earlier.
plantsman, mad google skillz |
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07.12.09 - 12:58 pm | #
I just have so much fun w/ that little boy, I swear.
Children are great. I complain about the little Aryan baby, but I have the most fun with her. Isn't it great when they discover something for the first time? Taking her for her first ice cream sundae (sprinkles) was the best. I didn't get to do all these things with Boy Ouzo.
Monica_A: Giggity! |
07.12.09 - 12:58 pm | #
It's "det sort katten" in Norwegian, so it sounds kinda like you're splitting the difference...)
Cereal
I'm an economist, not a miracle worker/linguist, Jim!
"You sick bastard!! You should probaly be very careful what you say because you're govt. is watching you're every move. Including you're evening goat humping. Humping beast you sick pervert!!!!"
That one should spend less time at the YouTube comments section and more time learning to write in proper English.
Terry C - Castrating B*tch* |
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07.12.09 - 12:59 pm | #
Thanks, plants.
It didn't sound like a very nice place.
Adam Hominem |
07.12.09 - 12:59 pm | #
I knew an audiophile who claimed that he could tell the difference between a high-end system hooked up to electricity from a hydroelectric plant as opposed to one from coal.
Swear to god.
steve simels |
Was that the guy who wrote that weird LTTE to Stereo Review many years ago?
There was another LTTE back then along the same lines, and I thought it was snark, but you never know.
I also recall one in which the writer swore that by using a green magic marker to color the outside edge of a CD that it sounded much better. He claimed that his ears could detect the discreet "steps" in sound in 44K vs truly analog recordings.
shrimplate |
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07.12.09 - 1:00 pm | #
Um, I think it should be "den svart katt" in Swedish.
It's "det sort katten" in Norwegian, so it sounds kinda like you're splitting the difference...)
Cereal | Homepage | 07.12.09 - 12:57 pm | #
Nope. You must use the bestämd form with 'den'. So 'svartA och kattEN' are correct.
Bajsa |
07.12.09 - 1:00 pm | #
These people are absolutely bonkers.
Terry C - Castrating B*tch*
Want to hear my theory that the Neanderthal never actually died out?
Adam Hominem
It's no longer a theory, my friend. The rightards have proven it as fact over and over and over again.
Terry C - Castrating B*tch* |
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07.12.09 - 1:00 pm | #
It sort of astonishes me that a Jew could think torture by Americans was permissible or forgiveable.
plantsman, mad google skillz |
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07.12.09 - 1:00 pm | #
Children are great.
Monica_A: Giggity!
They are indeed. I wish I'd known how wonderful they were earlier--I woulda adopted another ten or so.
Adam Hominem |
07.12.09 - 1:00 pm | #
WASHINGTON (AP) — Last year's Republican presidential nominee, John McCain, says he doesn't think of Sarah Palin as quitting her job as much as changing her priorities.
McCain says that he is confident that Palin, his running mate during last year's campaign, will remain "a major factor" on the national scene even after she steps down as Alaska's governor.
Does anybody still care what McStain thinks? Even the wingers in his own party despise him.
Lime Rickey |
07.12.09 - 1:01 pm | #
Want to hear my theory that the Neanderthal never actually died out?
Adam Hominem
It's no longer a theory, my friend. The rightards have proven it as fact over and over and over again.
How can you even say that, Hecate. You raised a wonderful man who in turn is raising a wonderful man. You deserve a ton of credit.
And what's more, she is very attractive for a woman her age who has had a child.
Terry C - Castrating B*tch* |
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07.12.09 - 1:02 pm | #
Worst country song ever
Closed down the honky tonk in
the dawns early light
Why the fuck am I Anonymous?Oh yeah,
I cleared the cookies late last night
and fuck it, I'm anonymous again
rootless-e, appikouros |
07.12.09 - 1:02 pm | #
Whale, let's shower up, power up and get ready to head to Bobbie's Dairy Dip to start this li'l excursion out River Road with the Heck's Rejects.
bbl
I thought it was neat to see the bond among Michael's children and the other Jacksons at the Memorial.
plantsman, mad google skillz |
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07.12.09 - 1:02 pm | #
.A friend who's into serious high-end digital says you can get the same range with digital, in fact you can duplicate different types of film stock, but it requires a medium-format camera with a digital back, which means a five-figure price tag.
Upsidasium
Although it has been a while since I last researched it, from what I know and as you say, CCD technology that rivals the resolution of medium and large-format film is not yet available for the masses. But of course medium and large format cameras were never really a "for the masses" thing anyway, so I'm not sure from that that it's clear digital doesn't already offer pretty much the same deal. What does a large format Hasselblad camera typically cost? And of course the digital tech will just keep getting better and cheaper, so it's only a matter of time IMO anyway.
slartibartfast |
07.12.09 - 1:03 pm | #
in america, wonderful things are taking place:
Yaros is a spokesman for Feld Entertainment, which this summer has brought the Ringling Bros. and Barnum & Bailey Circus to Coney Island for the first time. On July 3, the circus featured what it billed as the world's first cross-species eating contest -- won easily by the elephants, which placidly devoured 505 buns in six minutes to their human competitors' 143.
take that, man versus food show.
peterboy |
07.12.09 - 1:03 pm | #
It sort of astonishes me that a Jew could think torture by Americans was permissible or forgiveable.
plantsman, mad google skillz
When Israel invaded Lebanon the first time in the early Eighties, my mother sent me a wonderful Feiffer cartoon of which I only remember the punch-line: "hypocrisy is not good for the Jews".
A lot of us are very sad at the ever-increasing hypocrisy seen among our co-religionists.
Adam Hominem |
07.12.09 - 1:03 pm | #
Children are great.
I'll be the judge of that.
AndyG |
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07.12.09 - 1:03 pm | #
Audra Shay, 38, has won the post of chairman of the Young Republicans -- despite accusations that she endorsed racism on Facebook.
She's exactly what they have been looking for.
Racism and the GOP - perfect together.
Terry C - Castrating B*tch* |
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07.12.09 - 1:03 pm | #
It sort of astonishes me that a Jew could think torture by Americans was permissible or forgiveable.
plantsman, mad google skillz | Homepage | 07.12.09 - 1:00 pm | #
It sort of astonishes me that a Jew could think torture by Americans was permissible or forgiveable.
He was only with the IDF a short while.
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QuentinCompson, Retributionary |
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07.12.09 - 1:08 pm | #
The marines and their Japanese counterparts left about six thousand corpses on the beach, a ratio of about three dead bodies for every indigenous inhabitant at that time.
Secret Asian Man |
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07.12.09 - 1:09 pm | #
What does a large format Hasselblad camera typically cost? And of course the digital tech will just keep getting better and cheaper, so it's only a matter of time IMO anyway.
slartibartfast
You're right about that. Four megapixels was once high end, and now you can get 21 for under $1000. A Canon 30D or better works just fine as a replacement for the medium-format Mamiya I used to use.
The only prices I can remember off the top of my head are about $4000 for the Mamiya and $30,000 for a really high-end digital back (probably Hasselblad).
Upsidasium |
07.12.09 - 1:16 pm | #
Are Swedish cats socialists?
fred |
07.12.09 - 1:34 pm | #
Weird. Now Eschaton only show just this post on the front page. I kinda like it.
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MisterX |
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07.12.09 - 2:55 pm | #
OK where is everyone?
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MisterX |
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07.12.09 - 3:42 pm | #
I also recall one in which the writer swore that by using a green magic marker to color the outside edge of a CD that it sounded much better.
I remember that one! Dealing with "audiophiles" in the early days of CD retail was just so much FUN that I lack the words to describe it!
bill buckner |
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