I'MMA LET YOU FINISH
Hey liberals.
Admit Petraeus has won in Iraq.
Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
Li'l Bush is on!
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If Rush Limbaugh told trolls that shit was apple butter, I think we all know what would happen.
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seattle looks like a nice place.
Little known fact. Petraeus Report is an anagram for A Peep's Torturer.
Who are Black Republicans favoring for the nomination?
Reading is stupid.
seattle looks like a nice place.
euphronius
It is except for when the police decides it needs to keep an intersection open during the WTO demonstrations when they can't keep the roads operating smoothly on a regular day during rush hour.
DAMN!!!
Cookie beat me to it!
Gadzooks!
Hey liberals.
Admit Petraeus has won in Iraq.
pud | Homepage | 11.23.07 - 11:42 pm | #
Have you seen your penis lately?
Just asking...
Memo to lux:
9% of a minority is a really, really hard group to poll.
Admit Petraeus has won in Iraq.
pud
Go tell the Iraqis the good news in person.
Ghosts makes people's breath appear in Ghost Whisperer just like in Sixth Sense. It must be true!
9% of a minority is a really, really hard group to poll.
Roadmaster
I'd have thought one person could ring them all in an afternoon.
And for the record:
:rocket:
Doesn't work either!
Self-linking? Naughty snake lady.
Anybody else see the Dylan movie today?
Cate Blanchett is now officially the coolest human being who ever lived.
Seriously -- I could watch her stagger around impersonating a skinny speed freak Jew genius pretty much forever.
Zap - catch my memo downstairs?
Care to join the 2008 "Nattering Nabobs of Negativism" Tour of Constitutional Reading?
It is except for when the police decides it needs to keep an intersection open during the WTO demonstrations when they can't keep the roads operating smoothly on a regular day during rush hour.
I was out there in 99. Not only did the cops keep the intersections open, they shot us with tear gas and concussion grenades.
But Pike's market was nice!
Self-linking? Naughty snake lady.
Yes. I feel very bad about it. But who else is going to link to me?
Petraeus?
I thought it was Daddy Warbucks buying off the 'insurgents' that's making the 'surge' look like it's working... or did, for a brief shining moment.
Care to join the 2008 "Nattering Nabobs of Negativism" Tour of Constitutional Reading?
Fer chur!
Cate Blanchett is now officially the coolest human being who ever lived.
We already knew that. How was the movie?
steve:
Yes. I feel very bad about it. But who else is going to link to me?
Echidne
You're on my blogroll! People who write about talking insects have to stick together!
How did y'all let me miss this Li'l Bush program all these years?
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Who are Black Republicans favoring for the nomination?
lux
I dunno. Why don't you ask him?
In any case, I won't do it again. I just wanted a Thanksgiving present.
They closed the intersections for the Macy parade today.
Adam Hominem: I dunno. Why don't you ask him?
He's in the book. Watts, J.C.
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To paraphrase Lady Brett from THE SUN ALSO RISES...
Wouldn't it be pretty to think so...
steve simels | Homepage | 11.23.07 - 11:45 pm | #
Who knows, she may surprise us all. But I wouldn't bet that way.
Didn't somebody get killed by a giant ballon in that Macy's parade?
In any case, I won't do it again. I just wanted a Thanksgiving present.
Echidne | Homepage | 11.23.07 - 11:51 pm | #
I like your circuit city post. Corporate executives making short sighted and poorly thought out changes apparently with no understanding of how their business actually gets sales - who knew?
Ghosts makes people's breath appear in Ghost Whisperer just like in Sixth Sense. It must be true!
George Johnston
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Admit Petraeus has won in Iraq.
pud
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Petraeus makes ghosts appear by their deaths, you can tell because you can see their breath: just like in Sixth Sense and you don't even have to watch Bruce Willis! And the military who is controlling all information coming out of Iraq since the reporters are confined to quarters out of intimidation, self-interest, and the basic lack of co-operation of the US Military and the contractors who have KILLED more newspeople in this war than in any other war (I believe)
So, it must be true! Just keep clapping and Tinkerbell will be fine. Keep digging into that pile of shit, there IS a pony there somewhere. Keep whistling past the graveyard, the beasties don't like it when you whistle. If you pull the covers over your head, the monsters can't get you. If the door to the closet is closed at night the monsters are locked in. Just don't leave it open. A flashlight has the power of a light saber.
Fer chur!
Zap Rowsdower, Pauloseless
KEWL!
We're gonna need to, like, notify Keith O, the Utne Reader, John Nichols, Paul Krugman, and the local press and cable access groups of what we're doing and why - IN ADVANCE. Then when shit happens, we can demonstrate that we came in peace, with a peaceful intent.
Let them try to prove otherwise without completely violating our civil rights. ON INTERNATIONAL TELEVISION.
I like your circuit city post. Corporate executives making short sighted and poorly thought out changes apparently with no understanding of how their business actually gets sales - who knew?
And it only took a few months. On the other hand, this is the busy time of the year, usually, and Circuit City may just try to get the workers back and then fire them again.
Didn't somebody get killed by a giant ballon in that Macy's parade?
thumb
This year? I know a bunch were injured when one of them got out of control either last year or the prior year. Or maybe 1973. I can't remember shit anymore.
They closed the intersections for the Macy parade today.
George Johnston
That's because gawkers heard there were gonna be rubbers over 5 stories tall. Even in New York, that's bigger than average.
Walmart has a gift called 'Rock Star' that includes a keyboard, mic, drums, and guitar.
Let them try to prove otherwise without completely violating our civil rights. ON INTERNATIONAL TELEVISION.
Roadmaster, Milwaukee Office
We used to have this chant:
"The whole world is watching."
Cate Blanchett is now officially the coolest human being who ever lived.
We already knew that. How was the movie?
The Kenosha Kid | Homepage | 11.23.07 - 11:50 pm | #
It's quite brilliant.
My second favorite line.
Bob (Cate) is at a Warhol party, totally fried.
Bob: Let me introduce you to Brian Jones. He's in that cute covers band.
My favorite line:
Bob (Cate) is on a road trip with Alan Ginsbur (David Cross), totally fried. The find themselves in front of a statue of the crucified Jesus.
Bob: Play your early stuff!!!
It's a great movie, kids.
And it only took a few months. On the other hand, this is the busy time of the year, usually, and Circuit City may just try to get the workers back and then fire them again.
Echidne | Homepage | 11.23.07 - 11:56 pm | #
It's been my experience that people who make those kind of decisions are truly horrified when someone plays that kind of hardball back. This would be a good opportunity for SEIU or someone.
Anybody else see the Dylan movie today?
Yah. Raved about it earlier. Fucking amazing flick.
I was bemused to see that the theatre was handing out a little "Viewer's Guide," clarifying the various personae for those less versed in All Things Zimmerman.
Walmart's been selling acoustic guitars for a few years now.
Walmart has a gift called 'Rock Star' that includes a keyboard, mic, drums, and guitar.
thumb
Perfect gift for the kid of your least-favorite relative.
How to Swear in 180 Languages
http://www.insultmonger.com/index.htm
Walmart has a gift called 'Rock Star' that includes a keyboard, mic, drums, and guitar.
thumb
Perfect gift for the kid of your least-favorite relative.
One year I gave my toddler niece some toy drums. My sister hated me for a while.
Walmart has a gift called 'Rock Star' that includes a keyboard, mic, drums, and guitar.
thumb
That's one hell of a rock star.
I've been on the fence about that new Dylan flick. Some of Haynes's work has been erratic.
But I'll see it now, based on the recommendations here....
thumb,
Yer a St. Paulite, right? Gonna join us at the Convention? Sounds like we're going to have quite the contingent.
Atrios' Holy Army, we'll call it.
How to Swear in 180 Languages
Bec mon chu!
The Joe Strummer documentary is showing as well
I'd rather buy the "Rock Star Agent's Kit".
Consists of a cellphone and a set of golf clubs.
Admit Petraeus has won in Iraq.
pud
yeah, him & 160K troops were able to chase 860 A.Q. out of Baghdad for only a billzion dollars a month.
Cate Blanchett was fucking awesome in Elizabeth, too.
One year I gave my toddler niece some toy drums. My sister hated me for a while.
Echidne
You should give her a theramin this year. She could be the first one on her block to have one!
This would be a good opportunity for SEIU or someone.
I'd say so, too. But aren't most of their newer hires part-time? Some of the bigger unions don't always go for organizing them...
IIRC, the Teamsters were picketing outside a CC store here in town right after they announced that.
Bec mon chu!
The Kenosha Kid | Homepage | 11.24.07 - 12:01 am | #
Perseensuti !
Admit Petraeus has won in Iraq.
pud
Won what?
Perseensuti !
Hey!
Cate Blanchett was fucking awesome in Elizabeth, too.
Adam Hominem
The only doable Liz I I've seen.
I wonder if pud can see our sun from his Mama's basement.
Cate Blanchett was fucking awesome in Elizabeth, too.
Adam Hominem | 11.24.07 - 12:02 am |
True, but both of those movies -- especially the second one -- completely sucked except for her.
Admit Petraeus has won in Iraq.
pud
Won what?
steve simels
Anything from the top shelf, sport?
Admit Petraeus has won in Iraq.
pud
Won what?
steve simels
Green Zone Champ of 5 card stud, played with a well-worn deck of the "Axis of Evil" cards.
I'll probably wait for DVD on the Joe Strummer doc, Gilly.
I'll go and break out my Sandinista album (Simels misspelled it Sandanista when he reviewed oh so long ago when the universe was just being expanded)...
I'm torn between staying up to watch Team America and going to bed.
Decisions, decisions.
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IIRC, the Teamsters were picketing outside a CC store here in town right after they announced that.
Zap Rowsdower, Pauloseless | Homepage | 11.24.07 - 12:02 am | #
Good for them. I wonder sometimes if the only real hope of the unions is to start their own companies, though. The union concept requires some smarts and more than 1 year time line on behalf of management.
Admit Petraeus has won in Iraq.
pud
So Admiral Fallon, the CENTCOM commander can finally stop calling him a hopeless suckup?
Perseensuti !
Yuh wan man fi dig yuh battyhole!
Won what?
steve simels
The right to meet Croatia in the semis.
Bob Dylan (Cate Blanchett) meets Alan Ginsburg (David Cross) while a creepy BBC guy (Bruce Greenwood) looks on.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i...h?v=imGyrMce-
pU
Jeffraham Prestonian | Homepage | 11.24.07 - 12:06 am | #
Here's a third option. Stay on the blog. I watched a third of Team America, and shut it off.
PBS says ancient rock paintings depict visions that occurred in trance.
so we can leave iraq now?
Admit Petraeus has won in Iraq.
pud
yeah, him & 160K troops were able to chase 860 A.Q. (AROUND) Baghdad for only a billzion dollars a month.
1Watt, Hermit | Homepage | 11.24.07 - 12:02 am | #
fixed your typo
The right to meet Croatia in the semis.
Yuh wan man fi dig yuh battyhole!
The Kenosha Kid | Homepage | 11.24.07 - 12:06 am | #
Okay, I called you an asswipe in Finnish. WTF did you call me ?
wait. cate is bob? wtf?
I'm torn between staying up to watch Team America and going to bed.
How do you feel about puppet sex?
I'll go and break out my Sandinista album (Simels misspelled it Sandanista when he reviewed oh so long ago when the universe was just being expanded)...
Janeane The Acerbic Goblin | 11.24.07 - 12:05 am | #
My most embarassing moment ever.
Well, there were probably others, but that totally sucked...
I'll leave you kids to the naughty words list. I need sleep in meatspace.
G'nite.
steve simels | Homepage | 11.24.07 - 12:07 am | #
Cross as Ginsburg?
Janeane The Acerbic Goblin: Here's a third option. Stay on the blog. I watched a third of Team America, and shut it off.
I feel so wanted!
(by someone other than L.E., I mean... he's been like this most of the last two days)
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Cauc cle wyneb cachau ewythr cachau
I wonder sometimes if the only real hope of the unions is to start their own companies, though. The union concept requires some smarts and more than 1 year time line on behalf of management.
Modern organized labor, outside of the SEIU (mostly), have been more interested in raising money than organizing. Be it for anticipation of prolonged strikes or whatever, the emphasis hasn't been on what made unions unions in the first place: talking to the rank and file.
Then, there's the NLRB, Taft-Hartley, etc.
The 'axiz of evil' business remains startlingly stupid, and, as time goes on, increasingly obviously counterproductive to American interests, and the world's...
wait. cate is bob? wtf?
euphronius
There's more than one Bob. We're all Bob Dylan. Said Dylan.
seattle looks like a nice place.
From about 30 miles out.
I'll go and break out my Sandinista album (Simels misspelled it Sandanista when he reviewed oh so long ago when the universe was just being expanded)...
Janeane The Acerbic Goblin | 11.24.07 - 12:05 am | #
Daniel Ortega is once again president of Nicaragua. However he has given up on all that pie-in-the-sky social justice stuff and has come to terms with the Church especially on abortion bans.
NTodd: How do you feel about puppet sex?
Hot girl-on-girl puppet sex? I can dig it.
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Jeffraham Prestonian | Homepage | 11.24.07 - 12:10 am | #
Such beautiful cats...
If misspelling Sandinista is your most embarrasing moment, you are doing well. Real well.
Cauc cle wyneb cachau ewythr cachau
Arkenor - Elite Chatterer
Don't let Moonbootica hear you say that. Not that more than 2,000 people on the planet could say that...
And with that, I'm REALLY out.
Daniel Ortega is once again president of Nicaragua.
That nice young man made such tasty salsa.
Okay, I called you an asswipe in Finnish. WTF did you call me ?
In "Jamaican Patois" I said "You need a man to come and fuck you in the ass" - it's practically English!
PS Du bist doch dumm wie Brot
Well, there were probably others,
What! You're not perfect!
OH NOES!!!
My life is RUINED!!!
Modern organized labor, outside of the SEIU (mostly), have been more interested in raising money than organizing. Be it for anticipation of prolonged strikes or whatever, the emphasis hasn't been on what made unions unions in the first place: talking to the rank and file.
Revolutions of all stripes tend to stagnate as they become institutional...
rootless-e | 11.24.07 - 12:11 am | #
Abortion bans...now that's important, like gay marriage and video game violence...
What! You're not perfect!
OH NOES!!!
My life is RUINED!!!
aangus
simels regrets.
Then, there's the NLRB, Taft-Hartley, etc.
Zap Rowsdower, Pauloseless | Homepage | 11.24.07 - 12:10 am | #
Yeah that sucks too, but to me the real difference between strikes against Cerebus and the old Chrysler management from the 1930s is that Cerbus does not give a damn about what the business is doing in 5 years. You can't come to labor terms with looters.
PS Du bist doch dumm wie Brot
The Kenosha Kid | Homepage | 11.24.07 - 12:12 am | #
I'm a dumb as bread ?
If misspelling Sandinista is your most embarrasing moment, you are doing well. Real well.
I split my pants once in front of a class.
Cauc cle wyneb cachau ewythr cachau
Something something fuckety something fuck? In Welsh?
Labor has been under continuous assault since the movement started. And never has that assault been more consistently, ruthlessly applied than when unions moved in the direction of advocating genuine social change.
Janeane The Acerbic Goblin: Such beautiful cats...
Thanks! I built 'em myself!
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Cross as Ginsburg?
Janeane The Acerbic Goblin | 11.24.07 - 12:10 am | #
You betcha.
He couldn't be better...
simels regrets.
Adam Hominem
OK Adam, who are you, really!
I just heard on the local TV news show that at the local malls the biggest part of what ever business they are getting is from Mexicans crossing the border, to get the good prices here. They buy and go back home.
Republicans, the ones who can make the US look like a third world country.
There is no labor movement nor is one even possible anymore and that is by design. We are all serfs once again serving the lords and ladies of the manors.
If we complain our jobs and benefits are taken from us and our position and possessions are taken from us and we are cast out on the street to fend for ourselves in an uncaring world. No help: no governmental interference in the misery.
Just the way they want it.
I'm a dumb as bread ?
Oui!
Cauc cle wyneb cachau ewythr cachau
Something something fuckety something fuck? In Welsh?
The Kenosha Kid
It's, ahem, "Shut your fucking face, uncle fucker." In Welsh.
Abortion bans...now that's important, like gay marriage and video game violence...
Janeane The Acerbic Goblin | 11.24.07 - 12:13 am | #
Saw a horrible story, maybe here, about how women with ectopic pregnancy in nicaragua are now dying because docs are afraid of violating the new stringing abortion laws.
Labor has been under continuous assault since the movement started. And never has that assault been more consistently, ruthlessly applied than when unions moved in the direction of advocating genuine social change.
I noticed the presumably neutral reports about the French strike in the U.S. media. Most are written from the point of view of management or the government.
I split my pants once in front of a class.
Echidne
I heard a story from a friend who was in Mexico and had to pull a tapeworm out of his ass. In a rest room in a train station. With no doors on the stalls.
Cross as Ginsburg?
AND Julianne Moore as the Joan Baez character. RUN and see it....
It's, ahem, "Shut your fucking face, uncle fucker." In Welsh.
There is no labor movement nor is one even possible anymore and that is by design
We're still fighting here!
If misspelling Sandinista is your most embarrasing moment, you are doing well. Real well.
Actually, having found a cache of back issues of stuff I wrote in the 70s, I am SO glad that none of it's available online.
Way embarassing...I was wrong on so much at such length...
Ok, I was young, but still...
'It's, ahem, "Shut your fucking face, uncle fucker." In Welsh.'
That's easy for you to say...
Steve,
Did you ever do any writing for the Jann S. Wenner combine? (Yes, I'm getting that spiffy new "Rolling Stone" CD-Rom collection for Xmas...)
Thanks! I built 'em myself!
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Jeffraham Prestonian
I'm a little worried about that pic of you and LE. He's trying to suck the breath right out of you.
They do that, you know.
Then, there's the NLRB, Taft-Hartley, etc.
Nationaly the NLRB is a joke and Taft- Hartley has been gutted. Despite all that in our area all the larger construction companies are Union, my trade has 80% of the market, and we're organizing like crazy. Our own members can be our biggest obstacle. I hear shit out of them that sounds like the worst crap out of Matewan.
Joan Baez and Mimi Farina at Sing Sing
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8...h?
v=8L4yidFOjas
Sadly not. I'm Welsh, but I hardly speak a word of it. Rather a shame.
A very funny David Cross moment, pissing off Jim Belushi (they've had a bit of a feud)...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C...h?
v=C7PH3GVj104
Adam Hominem: I'm a little worried about that pic of you and LE. He's trying to suck the breath right out of you.
They do that, you know.
They're snakes. With fur.
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Labor has been under continuous assault since the movement started. And never has that assault been more consistently, ruthlessly applied than when unions moved in the direction of advocating genuine social change.
I know it wasn't the first or the last strike in that vein, but the Bread and Roses strike always comes to mind...
Just look at the Gilded Age photos of those corpulent tuxedoed a-holes gathered so merrily around the opulent dinner table.
Each suit they stained was a half years' labor in the factory, or the mines that they owned.
They should have all had afair trial, then forced to work for the rest of their lives in the conditions they visited upon their employees.
AND Julianne Moore as the Joan Baez character. RUN and see it....
bill buckner | 11.24.07 - 12:16 am |
Oh god, yes...
BTW -- did you notice who the hobo on the left was in the opening scene?
Yeah, 14 inches of snow in So. AZ by morning.
In the Chiracoua mountains.
Steve,
Did you ever read Lester Bangs review of Astral Weeks?
That's the pinnacle, if you ask me.
Walmart has already mastered what Circuit City is trying to do. Walmart hires retarded and indigent and they manage to do a great job. How they manage this remains a guarded secret.
Steve,
Did you ever do any writing for the Jann S. Wenner combine?
Interesting question?
Nudge, nudge!
Actually that link made me shit.
Each suit they stained was a half years' labor in the factory, or the mines that they owned.
MP | 11.24.07 - 12:19 am | #
Read the WSJ these days - just for the adverts. Unfuckingbelievable.
And fuck Carnegie for getting a wheezing late life guilt urge to build libraries.
Fucker earlier vacationed in France, while his thugs beat his balking laborers to death.
Taft-Hartley gutted?
Nah. Pretty much still in tact.
An interesting tidbit I'd forgotten about the Bread and Roses Strike:
A local undertaker and a member of the Lawrence school board attempted to frame the strike leadership by planting dynamite in several locations in town a week after the strike began. He was fined $500 and released without jail time. William Wood, the owner of the American Woolen Company, who had made a large payment to the defendant under unexplained circumstances shortly before the dynamite was found, was not charged.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/
Law..._textile_strike
They're snakes. With fur.
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Jeffraham Prestonian
My Charlie likes to cuddle up under my chin in bed, and purr. Which is endearing, but after about 15 minutes he jumps up and goes away.
And comes back an hour later. And again.
No wonder I'm so tired in the morning.
I've tried locking him out of the bedroom, but he just scratches at the door till I get up and let him in.
Whoever described them as "feline overlords" wasn't kidding.
Steve,
Did you ever do any writing for the Jann S. Wenner combine? (Yes, I'm getting that spiffy new "Rolling Stone" CD-Rom collection for Xmas...)
bill buckner | 11.24.07 - 12:18 am | #
My proudest professional moment is that I got paid five grand for writing a piece for them they ultimately didn't run because Jann thought I was making fun of his idols.
But they paid me an advance, and then I was able to sell pieces of it to other media outlets for another grand or two.
Heh heh...
Taft-Hartley gutted?
Nah. Pretty much still in tact.
Zap Rowsdower, Pauloseless
And how many cases have you brought before the NLRB, and how many workers and companies have you organized lately, Zap?
Just wonderin' where you're comin' from....
In the southwestern US, rock paintings were made by Shamans on a Spirit Quest
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ Law..._textile_strike
ProfWombat | 11.24.07 - 12:22 am | #
I met someone who had been one of the children evacuated from Lawrence by the IWW during the strike.
Adam Hominem: I've tried locking him out of the bedroom, but he just scratches at the door till I get up and let him in.
Curly will do this for a few minutes, once I turn in (that, and picking at the carpet under the door), but he gives up. Then, he does it again at daybreak... at which time I'm getting up, anyway.
BUt both guys have to stay out of the bedroom, since L.E. is very sleep-disruptive.
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Night, all
Keep 'em flyin'
But the labor movement is dead and has been for a long time. Until people are willing to stop undercutting it and actually work to support: it will stay dead. But as far as I can tell, they will not. So.
In Michigan they made teachers' strikes illegal in 1998. Guess when the last time teachers got a raise was?
And so it goes.
Walmart hires retarded and indigent and they manage to do a great job.
From the e-mails of the founder of whole foods: I don't see WalMart as a threat to Whole Foods. Rather, I believe that WalMart will ultimately increase Whole Foods' sales. Most Whole Foods core customers don't like WalMart. Why not? Too big. Too dirty. Too ugly. Bad service. Lack of knowledge about products. An underpaid workforce resulting in a high ratio of unenthusiastic and poorly trained part-time employees. (He goes on to say that WalMart focuses on price at the expense of everything else, with the result that they sell a narrow range of crap, but cheaply. We would add that Target has extremely good stuff at prices competitive with WalMart, and that nowadays there is no longer any special advantage to shopping at WalMart.)
kaymoutl8rh9rz
BTW -- did you notice who the hobo on the left was in the opening scene?
Don't think so. There WAS a guy in a Viking helmet in that opening montage, whom I'm assuming was supposed to be "Moondog."
The only time I've bought anything at Wal*Mart in the past two years was when I was bumming a ride from someone and that's where they were going to shop.
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A pox on the founder of Whole Foods, and the entire Walton family, as well.
Check out the pretty cave:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/
news/worldnews.html?
in_article_id=495538&in_page_id=1811
A pox on the founder of Whole Foods, and the entire Walton family, as well.
When Whole Foods bought the local health foods store the selection changed. There are very few organically grown vegetables, for instance. I'm not sure if the prices went up or not.
This nation, for doing all the wonderful good that it has indeed accomplished for the globe in the past 231 years, has a very weird mean streak in its nature.
Van Morrison on Austin City Limits, Saturday at 8
New York Dolls, Sunday at 7PM
Black Friday is over. Did the stores do well?
And how many cases have you brought before the NLRB, and how many workers and companies have you organized lately, Zap?
Just wonderin' where you're comin' from....
This has nothing to do with "where I'm coming from". Here are the facts of Taft-Hartley:
-banning of 'secondary strikes'
-banning/limiting (depending on your definition) of 'closed shops'
Those two things have done great harm to the labor movement...and remain in tact to this day. That's all I was saying.
Now, I'm off to bed. Goodnight.
Most of the chains here are Union stores. Whole Foods is not a Union store.
Having been a grocery worker, I can tell you that the Union is the only thing that made it halfway bearable. We had health insurance, for instance.
This nation, for doing all the wonderful good that it has indeed accomplished for the globe in the past 231 years, has a very weird mean streak in its nature.
MP
I'm not sure I see much of the wonderful good.
Sure, we defeated Japan in WWII, but we were more-or-less forced in to that. The Russians beat Germany; don't let anyone tell you different.
Oish...
Night, all.
Black Friday is over. Did the stores do well?
I was in Walmart earlier and it was like any other day.
linkie to cave story:
http://tinyurl.com/22umcy
simels regrets the error, or what ever.
the Union is the only thing that made it halfway bearable
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e...h?
v=eziuTLKKS7U
I was in Walmart earlier and it was like any other day.
burba
Cheap crap and underpaid employees as far as the eye could see?
the laws stay on the books, it's just there is not enough $ and manpower devoted to their enforcement-- the "Packers & Stockyards Act" is another example. USDA has been entering routine telephone calls as "Investigations"...
The Russians beat Germany; don't let anyone tell you different.
Adam Hominem | 11.24.07 - 12:35 am | #
The Russian decimated the Nazis at Stalingrad, as you well know.
The myth is that we went in by ourselves and kicked everbody's ass.
Whole Foods co-founder John Mackey has a few e-mails in the latest Harper's Readings. He posted them at a WF message board under the name rahodeb. The first was about how cute John Mackey is, opening by adoring his hair and ending by calling him a Brooks Brothers model. The second boasts about putting food co-ops out of business. The fourth is a lengthy, ignorant, and arrogant encomium to capitalism.
Cheap crap and underpaid employees as far as the eye could see?They've completely tranformed their product mix to target the middle class.
The myth is that we went in by ourselves and kicked everbody's ass.
Janeane The Acerbic Goblin
Ayup.
The myth is that we went in by ourselves and kicked everbody's ass.
Janeane The Acerbic Goblin
You can imagine how well that goes down everywhere else.
simels regrets the error, or what ever.
1Watt, Hermit | Homepage | 11.24.07 - 12:36 am | #
Wow!
Actually, having found a cache of back issues of stuff I wrote in the 70s, I am SO glad that none of it's available online.
Way embarassing...I was wrong on so much at such length...
Ok, I was young, but still...
steve simels |
You wrote about Bowie then, too?
depending where you are in the country,
union density varies greatly.
Secondary strikes are officially banned, but happen anyway in construction(deliveries of concrete to a jobsite will become a Big Problem,no matter who has the issue around here) and closed shops in construction are allowed, and a fact of life.
Apples and oranges, construction is different.
Ayup.
Adam Hominem | 11.24.07 - 12:39 am | #
New Hampsherite?
"The myth is that we went in by ourselves and kicked everbody's ass."
I thought we took over the world and now rent those other countries out to their tenants.
History sucks.
Those cave temples are incredible. How did they manage to keep them secret for so long?
There's a certain Volvo driving demographic that adores Whole Foods. I'm not a member of that demographic.
The Russian decimated the Nazis at Stalingrad, as you well know.
Well, the Russians began to turn the tide at Stalingrad; they decimated the Wehrmacht over the course of the long retreat, then annihilated Nazis, collaborators and ethnic Germans in the territory they took over en route West.
whatever you do, don't go into a Wal-Mart in the evening... one of the most godforsaken places in 'civilization'. I think it has to do with the lighting, but *everyone*- customers & workers alike-- seems in dire need of antidepressants.
'This nation, for doing all the wonderful good that it has indeed accomplished for the globe in the past 231 years, has a very weird mean streak in its nature.'
I don't see it being at all obvious that the US has done wonderful good for 231 years. With the possible exceptions of World War II, which included the Hamburg, Dresden, Tokyo, Hiroshima and Nagasaki bombings, the Marshall plan, and the successful containment of Soviet Communism, we've acted entirely within our own self-interest, every time, human rights, national sovereignty and, indeed, democracy be damned. That we've done so while wrapping ourselves in a notion of American exceptionalism doesn't change the facts on the story one whit.
New Hampsherite?
Gilly Gonzylon
No; just been hanging around NTodd too long.
Mpls St. Paul.
You can imagine how well that goes down everywhere else.
Arkenor - Elite Chatterer | Homepage | 11.24.07 - 12:39 am | #
It's like Saving Private Ryan, where we only saw American soldiers on the beaches of Normandy, which is blatantly false.
The Longest Day was much more accurate and convincing...
Ok, I was young, but still...
steve simels
but isn't cuneiform open to interpretation?
I thought we took over the world and now rent those other countries out to their tenants.
This is actually a really beautiful one-line nutshelling of imperialism.
I should make clear that I entirely agree that we weren't alone in World War II, and that our sacrifice in that war paled before that of the Soviet Union.
It's like Saving Private Ryan, where we only saw American soldiers on the beaches of Normandy, which is blatantly false.
They were only depicting Omaha Beach, and that was an American beach landing, along w/ Utah beach.
The UK landed at Sword, Gold, and Juno.
I saw a film today, oh boy.
The English Army had just won the War.
And don't forget the Free French and the Poles and all the others. The Normandy Landing was a team effort.
OT: I like music videos and I really like Tick Tick by The Hives...
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Growing up, my family was never a member of a union, and we really never knew anybody who was in a union.
But when I had a great consulting gig at Ford, I didn't cross the picket when they struck.
I just knew they had more at stake than I did. Hell, I could get another large coin assignment the next day if I wanted. They couldn't.
That was in the 90's.
Since then, as a software developer, I *can't* now just get another well paying gig. There always seems to be somebody, somehwere who will claim to deliver the same service for half my rate.
That the final code is indecipherable shit and doesn't work, doesn't seem to bother anybody looking to cut their IT budget at bonus time.
You do get *tons* of software rehab jobs, though.
The current bidness cycle of software development is just in chaos right now.
We've already lost more soldiers in Iraq than we did on Omaha Beach.
Perhaps the most mature cinematic depiction of sacrifice in fighting the Nazis is the young former pilot in Meliville's L'armee des ombres who turns himself in to the Gestapo to help an already-arrested friend. The interrogator exposits to him that no one knows him or what he is doing and his suffering will not be remembered.
Flint,Employed | 11.24.07 - 12:46 am | #
Didn't know that. Sorry.
But I still think the film gives the erroneous impression that the US were the only ones that invaded that day.
kei & yuri, hot gay action | 11.24.07 - 12:51 am | #
I love Melville's work. I like Le Cercle Rouge the best...
but isn't cuneiform open to interpretation?
The nice Pilgtim ladies I met yesterday said that they remembered Simels always bitching about Anglican church music...
Un flic really was good except for the appalling special effects (Melville refused to the end to depart the very edge of credibility), Delon's boredom and certain dull scenes.
Haynes explains why he used 6 Dylans
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H...h?
v=HBAsheMKy0s
SOMETIMES ITS ABOUT WHAT'S NOT BEING SAID. THEN AGAIN SOMETIMES IT'S NOT.
THIS IS ONE OF THOSE TIMES.
I want The Onion sweatshirt that reads: JESUS is my health insurance.
The US employee market is hitting a low point. The labor, I'm not talking about those insufferable corporate cheerleaders, they have no soul, and will smilingly tell you that. But the *workers*, the real sinew of the US economy, are, on balance, not happy with their jobs.
Not based on anything other than anecdotal data, but just knowing that it is true.
You know what would rock is a BSG reference to L'armee des ombres, particularly to cure the pseudo-Private Ryan editing and camera work. Just a few minutes of cemented camera on a gradually approaching marching army of any particular allegiance in front of some landmark. We haven't seen a more riveting opening sequence in years (although we still adore the dissolving-in letters in Kafka).
Un flic really was good ...
Saw that recently, and found it just OK. But I loved "Le Samourai," and thought "Army of Shadows" a goddamned masterpiece...
Le Samourai, Army of Shadows, and Le Cercle Rouge are all masterpieces.
Haven't seen Un Flic or Bob le Flambeur (sp), not yet.
MP | 11.24.07 - 12:58 am | #
There's a ton of discontent in the country as a whole. You feel it, I feel it, many here do too....
Un flic was screwed internally by a truncated budget and a few other problems. But in it you see what a movie that could've come out in better times. We have not yet see The Twelfth Souffle, which was recently remade with Monica Bellucci, but we absolutely adore Bob le Flambeur.
"I want The Onion sweatshirt that reads: JESUS is my health insurance."
Does he have a 10 dollar co-pay and a prescription card?
Monica Bellucci - yum
Haven't seen Un Flic or Bob le Flambeur (sp), not yet.
Janeane The Acerbic Goblin | 11.24.07 - 1:00 am |
Flic is only for Melville fans willing to be understanding. Flambeur and its remake by Crying Game's Neil Jordan, The Good Thief, are fracking amazing.
There's a ton of discontent in the country as a whole. You feel it, I feel it, many here do too....
Janeane The Acerbic Goblin
Much better way of putting it.
It's definitely out there.
Omaha beach was chosen 'cause that's where resistance was stiffist, and casualties were most horrific.
Still, casualties that day overall were much lower than Allied estimates while planning the invasion. Given the FUBAR the plan turned into that day, the amount killed by the Germans was amazingly low, actually. German high command incompetence, top down, contributed greatly to our success.
Much better way of putting it.
It's definitely out there.
MP | 11.24.07 - 1:04 am | #
Thanks. One doesn't have to be clairvoyant to sense it. It's there.
Saw a "Found Dog" sign today on a telephone post. Behind it was a wall where some had spray painted "BUCK FUSH" for all stopped traffic to see.
Too bad he/she was preaching to the choir here in socal. I have yet to meet 1 person pro Bush in this part of Cali.
Gilly Gonzylon | Homepage | 11.24.07 - 1:05 am | #
Haven't met a pro-Bush person in NYC here, not yet.
From Le Cercle Rouge...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s...h?
v=sY_E9jqZIh4
""BUCK FUSH" for all stopped traffic to see."
And some guy sitting at the light in a Hummer was wondering "Buck Fush?", "Must be a new country band."
Saw a "Found Dog" sign today on a telephone post. Behind it was a wall where some had spray painted "BUCK FUSH" for all stopped traffic to see
Saw a flat dog today while I was drivin' around.
How did I know it was flat?
There was another dog on top of it tryin' to pump it up.
Does he have a 10 dollar co-pay and a prescription card?
EkCenTriK | 11.24.07 - 1:01 am | #
He has whatever you want, whatever you need, any time, all the time, just in time.
and all drugs are wholesale.
"
There was another dog on top of it tryin' to pump it up."
You can stop that sort of thing by using "Fix"-A-Flat Dog.
Todays Goats comic is apt: http://www.goats.com/
Janeane The Acerbic Goblin | 11.24.07 - 1:06 am
Kei worked in a movie theatre while a Michael Moore film was playing and a frustrated coworker noted that he had yet to meet a single person who would admit to having voted for Bush. "How did he get elected if nobody voted for him?" Granted this is in Michigan, which was pretty blue in both elections.
You can stop that sort of thing by using "Fix"-A-Flat Dog.
EkCenTriK |
I feed mine "Slime for Dogs".
Janeane - did you see the Withnail Recut Trailer?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2...h?
v=2w1xS1Y4h5o
"
and all drugs are wholesale."
I take it he buys from Canada as well.
kei & yuri, hot gay action | 11.24.07 - 1:09 am | #
It's like people admitting they bought Vanilla Ice's Ice Ice Baby. When it came out, sure, they were fans, but then, he hit bottom, and nobody knew who he was.
We don't seem to generally like our visage in the mirror as a nation.
Some say Shrub just screwed up, but he meant well. Some say that he was ever allowed admittance into the Oval Office was a breach of the Founders' Contract. Others are just staying hunkered down until he leaves.
But from whatever political perspective, we feel shitty about ouselves as a nation, and it's why less than 20% feel this nation is headed in the right direction.
It's fucking shameful.
old F Scott Fitzgerald doggerel just bubbled up in my poor, unoccupied brain:
"And everyone clapped when we arose
For her sweet face and my new clothes."
Ha.
Gilly Gonzylon | Homepage | 11.24.07 - 1:10 am | #
Hilarious...really works well....
"20% feel this nation is headed in the right direction."
I feel like we are at a dead stop. I don't hear of people being promoted. Usually they end up finding that next great job elsewhere. There is nothing exciting going on, simply maintaining, trying to stay alive (business wise). All the new things seem to be retreads of the old things. All flash, no substance.
IMO.
Our favorite online comic is Overcompensating. It makes Sluggy Freelance look like Sluggy Freelance.
feel like we are at a dead stop. I don't hear of people being promoted. Usually they end up finding that next great job elsewhere. There is nothing exciting going on, simply maintaining, trying to stay alive (business wise). All the new things seem to be retreads of the old things. All flash, no substance.
IMO.
EkCenTriK | 11.24.07 - 1:13 am | #
Well put....
I think having a goal as a nation will help pull us out of these doldrums.
Personally, I think a national effort to educate Opossums and Armadillos in the art of crosswalk use would be a worthy effort.
Start small, do some good right off the bat, I always say. We could raise money to buy thousands of tiny reflective vests......
I take it he buys from Canada as well.
EkCenTriK |
EkCentrik, he Makes the Drugs that Make the Whole World Sing.
Distributors work things out with Him.
He's currently not all that pleased w/the US, from what I hear.
Our favorite online comic is Overcompensating. It makes Sluggy Freelance look like Sluggy Freelance.
kei & yuri
I know his work. I'm a huge Wigu fan.
"I am made of poison!"
"I think a national effort to educate Opossums and Armadillos in the art of crosswalk use would be a worthy effort."
What about roadkill crossovers?
We could raise money to buy thousands of tiny reflective vests......
Flint,Employed
The fucking tiny reflective vest would be delivered late, and be carcinogenic.
"I think having a goal as a nation will help pull us out of these doldrums."
When did Bush say we were going to Mars?
"housands of tiny reflective vests...."
Damn it, I woke up the house again.
AND THEN AGAIN SOMETIMES IT'S HARD TO HEAR MYSELF THINK.
"I think a national effort to educate Opossums and Armadillos in the art of crosswalk use would be a worthy effort."
What about roadkill crossovers?
EkCenTriK
I'm begining to rethink the whole thing.
Could shut down some popular restuants in our neighborhood...
"
He's currently not all that pleased w/the US, from what I hear."
Well, I am sure he has his reasons. But when you act like a non-resident landlord things do tend to go to hell in a hand basket.
Everybody gotta believe in something.
I believe I'll have another double Rumpilminze.........
"I'm begining to rethink the whole thing."
For the price of a cup of coffee a day, you too can save a possum. We will even send you a complete profile, photo and updates on your possum.
You got me going now in the back of my head.
OK, I will
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Off to bed soon, methinks...
Well, I am sure he has his reasons. But when you act like a non-resident landlord things do tend to go to hell in a hand basket.
EkCenTriK | 11.24.07 - 1:20 am | #
yeah, I suspect He knows this and takes it into account.
I think, in the back of his mind, He;s wishing he could be shed of all of us, as troublesome as we are. (and, please, if you will, capitalize His Name, both noun and pronoun. that way, he doesn't have to insist on the "Lord" crap)
Richard Roberts sent a letter to the Oral Roberts University Board of Regents on Friday tendering his resignation as university president effective immediately.
The regents will meet Monday and Tuesday to determine action in the search process for a new president.
Executive Regent Billy Joe Daugherty will continue to assume administrative responsibilities of president, working together with Chancellor Oral Roberts, until the regents meeting.
In his letter of resignation to the board, Richard Roberts said, "I love ORU with all my heart. I love the students, faculty, staff and administration and I want to see God's best for all of them."
but his wife loved them more.
MisterX | Homepage | 11.24.07 - 1:24 am | #
that was good
For the price of a cup of coffee a day, you too can save a possum.
You been to Starbucks lately? Hell, you could build them a resort condo at Boca.
Off to bed soon, methinks...
Janeane The Acerbic Goblin | 11.24.07 - 1:24 am | #
What's the weather been like?
"You been to Starbucks lately?"
Well, to be honest, I am not a coffee drinker. I am clueless on the cost.
For the price of a cup of coffee a day, you too can save a possum. We will even send you a complete profile, photo and updates on your possum.
You make that the price of a Starbucks, send out adorable Possum Family pictures and good citzenship certificates for donors who preserve wildlife and beautify highways at the same time, throw in an efficient e-mail network to keep 'em givin', found a 501 c-3 and we both retire possum heroes.
It's a win, win! (now where's my shotglass....)
but his wife loved them more.
1Watt, Hermit
yuk yuk yuk!!!
But Gawd will forgive them all, eh?
http://www.wwf.org.uk/adoption/index.asp
Lots of interesting animals you can adopt. And you get a neat pack of stuff. Great present for a child this Christmas!
I think things need to be set in more of a class warfare type context. what the mother fuck, anyhow? Is it wrong to eat the rich? I think not.
If misspelling Sandinista is your most embarrasing moment, you are doing well. Real well.
Simels for Vice President!
yea but who amoung us has not seen a dead possum, or better yet, caused the untimely demise of a possum themselves?
There's guilt to be mined here people!!
"There's guilt to be mined here people!!"
I think I will stay quiet for a bit now.
I think I will stay quiet for a bit now.
EkCenTriK | 11
Ther will be some natual resistance to our efforts on behalf of Possumhood.
We got Tarheel Transplants up here.
The Israel Police decided Friday to delay its recommendation on whether to indict Prime Minister Ehud Olmert for suspected impropriety in the sale of Bank Leumi, until after next week's U.S.-sponsored Middle East peace conference in Annapolis, Maryland.
Olmert, who was serving as finance minister at the time of the sale, is suspected of interfering in the privatization of the bank to benefit a friend, Australian tycoon Frank Lowy. The prime minister was questioned under caution in the affair last month.
My goodness, I fell asleep on the couch. Going back there now.
By the way, rediscovered this earlier this evening.
http://video.google.ca/videoplay...earch&
plindex=2
(Hit the full screen option if you can)
"Resistance in all its forms and means will escalate in the West Bank and Gaza against the Zionist enemy," Marzouk said in a written interview. "This is because Annapolis will expose the arbitrariness of the [political] settlement track and its destructive endeavors."
"There's guilt to be mined here people!!"
we got mine.
I have decided that, no matter what, I am voting for Kucinich.
I am not giving my vote any more to any candidate I don't fully support. If this country can't come up with any better candidates than Hillary vs Giulani (and, OMFG, HOW did we get to this - and by "this", I mean Rudy), I ainp;t voting for either of them.
I'm voting for Dennis.
But, of course, I am old.
Good stuff, Sarah. Kucinich is certainly the one I'd vote for if I got a vote.
I have decided that, no matter what, I am voting for Kucinich.
I like Dennis, but I await a definitive statement on Possum Preservation.
don't forget the mules:
http://tinyurl.com/b2t9t
that was good
Gilly Gonzylon
Yeah, I really like that one too. If it wasn't for music/videos, I think I'd go fuggin nutz.
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'night all! and remember,somewhere out there on the road,as we speak, a possum has inadvertantly given his life for my retirement.
I'm voting a straight Avigdor Lieberman line.
his party will finally rid us of these undesireable elements, once and for all.
so.
There's no evidence the body has an internal clock.
Dissipate-consume-more-waste-squander-buy-upgrade shirt.
http://shirt.woot.com/
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Dr. Warren, an evangelical Christian with strong ties to the conservative Christian community, attributes much of the initial success of eHarmony to its being promoted through James Dobson's Focus on the Family radio show. In 2005 eHarmony sought to distance itself from Dobson and Focus on the Family, largely in an effort to broaden the market share of Warren's books and that of eHarmony according to Warren. After Warren publicly distanced himself from Focus on the Family and purchased back the copyright from his earlier books from the organization, Dobson told his radio audience on May 26th, 2005, "I introduced Dr. Warren and his books — and eHarmony, more recently — to our listeners specifically because he was and it was decidedly Christian in nature," ... "Dr. Warren is anxious to change that direction. So ... we will go our separate ways ... with reluctance and regret."
eHarmony's services are geared toward those looking for a long term relationship. Dr. Warren's goal is to reduce the divorce rate in America to less than 10% (it is estimated to be 40-50%).
NO FLIRTY FISHING!!!
I am not giving my vote any more to any candidate I don't fully support.
...
Sarah Deere
From your mouth to the country's ears.
Watching the "Tally Room" here in OZ, ... kinda hard to get used to wanting the Liberals to loose, but they do appear to be doing just that.
John Howard may not be even able to hold his own district.
The exit polling from a couple of hours ago pretty much pointed at a change of Govt.
GDubya is gonna loose a bffl down here.
Ha... Howard's party is even loosing in districts that they had gerrymandered.
To preserve, conserve and protect The Planet, nutroots should do the heroic, Gaian thing and sterilize themselves.
After all, procreation--at least among heteros--is a blight on Gore Planet.
.... {crickets} ....
Well then, I'll just head up to Shanghai and see if things are livelier when I get up there.
Watching the "Tally Room" here in OZ, ... kinda hard to get used to wanting the Liberals to loose, but they do appear to be doing just that.
WAtching ABC, listening to Roy/HG on triplej, and it looks like Howard's out of his own seat.
GOPwanker must be doing the day shift as a paid troll in India.
Toby, come suck my cock...again.
Planet Gore = Too sacred and sanctified for human life.
Nutroots should sterilize themselves in sacrifice to Planet Gore.
Now.
Now.
Jesus, you come off like a four year old. What's wrong with you?
Seriously, Lubwanka, I'm curious: how much do they pay you to be up this late, posting shit that no-one will read?
Because surely, surely you wouldn't be doing it for fun, sitting in a pile of cheetohs in your mother's basement? You've got to be a paid troll, operated in shifts by poor fuckers in the third world, haven't you? At least that way, you'd be spared the shame.
Hilarious: ship full of "global warming" eco-tourists hits iceberg near Antarctica and forces them to abandon ship in frigid temperatures while ship sinks...
Hilarious!!!
Do you get paid by the post, Lubwanka? Or is it hourly? And does it really take you five minutes to cut and paste those computer-generated troll comments?
C'mon, drop out of tedious character for a moment, and 'fess up, because I've always wondered about the sweatshops in which paid trolls work.
Nutroots: inexhaustible comedy!!!
what the hell is a "paid troll"?
N evdnc f pd trll.
News that Lubyanka Cares About
CLEARWATER, Fla. - Linda Hogan has filed for divorce from her wrestler husband Hulk Hogan, a newspaper reported Friday.
Hulk Hogan, whose real name is Terry Bollea, told the St. Petersburg Times that he had no idea his wife had filed for divorce. He was informed by a reporter that Pinellas County court records showed that the paperwork was submitted Tuesday.
"Thank you for the great information," he told the reporter.
Lubyanka's place of work
http://www.indiadaily.org/images...rs-
india_26.jpg
Barry.
Lib/Nat coalition has lost in Australia, looks like Johnnie Howard will even lose his own seat.
Lost in a Flood of Debt
Bob Herbert NYT
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/11/2...herbert.html?
hp
The rethugs have a way of getting rich off the taxpayers by fucking up their banks, etc. The Savings and Loan thing of the eighties and now this horrendous disaster of sub prime loans. They have wrecked the country. Anybody that votes for a rethug is an enemy of mine.
This little blurb in the NYT amused me:
In Bush’s Last Year, Modest Domestic Aims
By SHERYL GAY STOLBERG
With his big plans blocked, President Bush is focusing on “kitchen table issues” — small ideas that affect ordinary people’s lives.
I mean, he couldn't have started on this earlier?
The Republicans Have NO Answers....
...and the last 12 years prove it.
Well, the jet was contaminated with Equine Flu, it will take all night to disinfect it, so the flight to Shanghai is delayed.
Back at the hotel watching election results. I don't know if this is a copy of what the US did in 2006, or a precursor of what is going to happen in 2008, but John Howard and the rightards just had their ass handed to 'em.
A shame one can't squeeze water out of tough talk, innit Mr. Howard?
The Labor Party needed to win 76 seats to have control, they have 81 so far.
All the rest total up to just 68, so the left has a good solid majority.
Oh, and John Howard himself lost his seat to a sheila.
Woo Hoo!!
So the judge in Aruba found the new evidence
sufficient to hold the Kalpoe brothers for at least 8 more days, which means Jouran Van der Sloot may not be staying at Mummy's once he gets home from The Netherlands.
small ideas that affect ordinary people’s lives.
Yeah, like illegally pouring billions of tax payer dollars into fundamentalist programs while destroying oversight.
Like firing employees at Social Security offices so people can't get waited on and can't get help.
Updated numbers, not from Sky News (Rupert Murdoch) on Channel 7 gives the Labor party 89 seats, the margin is increasing.
Oh yes, cutting medicare money to doctor's so the doctors will increasingly refuse to take medicare patients and medicare will die an early death.
So, GDubyas "coalition" partners are gonna be reduced by another country.
Rudd campaigned on "out of Afghanistan and Iraq", as well as environmental (ratify Kyoto) issues.
The last of my name brand prescriptions went off patent and generics became available a couple of months ago. Thank heaven for small favors.
The economy isn't a major issue with voters right now. FOX News just told me so.
Right, and top-thread pud suggested we admit Gen. Petraeus has "won" in Iraq.
Damned Messikans!
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/
20071...ZOgI.hl3E.s0NUE
Morning and all that stuff.
How dare they behave like human beings!
Right, and top-thread pud suggested we admit Gen. Petraeus has "won" in Iraq.
plantsman, bulbalicious
My timing has been good the last few days, managed to miss Pud and Zod.
So, we know mimi went to Antarctiica; the chances are pretty good she was either on the Explorer which struck ice and sank, or the Endeavour the Norwegian ship which rescued the passengers and crew of the Explorer.
Nice "dream vacation."
Freaking bizarre, watching the coverage from the Liberal party headquarters. Idjiot rightards are holding up all of their "We Won" banners. Someone needs to point 'em at a TV.
Hee, Australian version of Sean Hannity has his chin on the floor, he's in shock.
That must feel right nice, Barry.
Counting in tody's election is not over, but it appears that Australia has thrown the conservative government that dragged it into Iraq, out on its ass, comprehensively.
Even more tellingly, the sitting (and at one time immensely popular) Prime Minister, the execrable John Howard, appears to have been been beaten in his own electorate. Tat is, he is unemployed, not merely the leader of the opposition party.
Extremely humiliating, for Bush's Antipodean deputy ass-kisser. Only the second time in Australia's history that a sitting PM has been booted by his local community. Richly deserved.
.
That must feel right nice, Barry.
plantsman, bulbalicious
Like I said above, can't tell if this is a copy of what we did in 2006, or a precursor to 2008.
But NTodd needs to come here, they have some very attractive women in their Parliment.
It's still pretty weird wanting the Liberal Party to lose.
They need to straighten their names out here.
Before the Iowa Straw Poll last Summer, Mitt spent a fortune buying votes to win the thing. Since then, he's spent lavishly on TV ads in Iowa (which is not easy to do, given the small market) to accomplish the same thing in the upcoming Caucuses -- and here comes penniless Mike Huckabee from behind to challenge him.
TelltaleHeart | 11.24.07 - 6:05 am | #
So we have a pot luck every Friday here and I have been avoiding one woman because she told me that listens to nothing but Fox Headline news all day. Last night she went into an anti-shrub rant that was worthy of an Atriotte. Who knew? Of the nine people assembled, not one laid claim to being a rethug and all thought Rudy would be a disaster.
Cause The Times, They Are A-Changing....
morning, all.
Friends of the cretin in chief losing is reassuring. the world is still sane, and believes in truth, justice and
oops. Seems in Iraq there's a Pulitzer prize winning journalist on trial, but his attorneys can't find out the charges. at http://www.washingtonpost.com/
wp...id=opinionsbox1
Really funny to be channel surfing thru the election results. 5 channels covering it, 4 are very racous, lotsa cheering people.
Sky News (Rupert's baby)is positively dismal in their reaction, like a funeral home on viewing day.
I hope the good people of Australia find Rudd to be less of a disappointment than Pelosi has been.
Anglicized remnants of the British Empire the world over, Pakistan booted from the Commonwealth over Pervy's State of Emergency....what can it all mean?
Mitt's father - former Michigan Gov George Romney, was the type of republican even a liberal tolerated.
Sky News (Rupert's baby)is positively dismal in their reaction, like a funeral home on viewing day.
Like old Soviet TV and their ponderous dirges when a Party leader was sacked.
Anglicized remnants of the British Empire the world over, Pakistan booted from the Commonwealth over Pervy's State of Emergency....what can it all mean?
What? Did that realy happen?
Even the anti-liberals are disillusioned with the cretin in chief. Glad to hear Fox News hasn't had the desired effect, ql.
-Autralian opposition claims victory-Iraq a major factor-
Howard likely to be dumped from legislature
Nothing says Happy Thanksgiving like bubbles up your butt.
(heh)
http://www.vanityfair.com/politi.../blogs/wolcott/
John Howard just called Kevin Rudd to concede.
Yes Barry, it did; Musharraf missed a deadline for ending Emergency Rule set by The Commonwealth, and out Pakistan went.
John Howard just called Kevin Rudd to concede.
Barry from AK in Sydney | Homepage | 11.24.07 - 6:17 am | #
Howard is now Moe Howard. Fucking stooge.
Yes Barry, it did; Musharraf missed a deadline for ending Emergency Rule set by The Commonwealth, and out Pakistan went.
plantsman, bulbalicious
{{poof}} Just like that GDubya loses an ally, and the Commonwealth loses a partner.
Yea, this whole GWOT is working out just fine.
30 degrees and dark as coal; a Pacific front should sweep over this afternoon, bringing moisture and a few degrees warmth.
Barry, I also heard what plantsman did, that Pakistan was excluded for its 'inappropriate behavior', it's a time out.
Yay, war criminals losing. Yay!
Howard is now Moe Howard. Fucking stooge.
Gilly Gonzylon
Walking around downtown Sydney this afternoon, talking to shop owners, there is still a lot of resentment over how he handled the security issue over the APOC meeting.
He just wanted to out cowboy Dubya, and it backfired on him.
Australia is probably a precursor to what is going to happen here in 2008. The MSM will keep talking like it's a horse race because otherwise they have no story. Oh, and wishing makes it so.
Howard is now Moe Howard. Fucking stooge
That's an insult to Moe Howard.
That Yahoo story on the Illegal staying with the boy whose mother was trapped in their crashed car is just the kind of humanizing of illegals the wingers can't stand.
Can't see the fulll moon for the clouds here, supposed to have a bit of snow.
The Aussies have a different way of balloting apparently.
Every result shows up with 4 or 5 parties, then drops into a "2 party prefered" result.
I guess they have what I've known as "instant runoff" where you mark first, second, and third choices?
Doesn't matter, the Left is kicking butt, TV just ran a graphic of how far things shifted, and all the bobble heads went "Oh Wow!".
Hello Novmber 2008.
Hello Novmber 2008.
Barry from AK in Sydney
Absolutely.
Taliban in control of over half of Afghanistan; nope, no wasted effort there.
Hatriots mimi is fine and thanks you for all your good wishes.
I still can't get over watching election results brought to you by Mel and Koochie. Just cracks me up.
Barndog, how was Macy's Parade? Didja get to watch the games?
except for Barry, who is a great guy.
We have not forgotten her, nor wished her ill -- I'm glad she's okay.
except for Barry, who is a great guy.
Waltraud, mimi's cousin
I was gonna say, I'm not a hatriot.
plantsman I read your comments upthread. she did have a dream vacation. thanks for your "concern"
no Barry, you certainly are not a Hatriot. Thanks for your comments about the Australian election. It makes me feel like I am there.
Waltraud, mimi made her own enemies here with her witless lies about Interpol, Immigration Canada, Irish drunks and the like.
Didja get to watch the games?
I was shocked to see that Mom had the Lions-Packers game on BOTH TV's!!
I almost forgot how to act.
no Barry, you certainly are not a Hatriot. Thanks for your comments about the Australian election. It makes me feel like I am there.
Waltraud, mimi's cousin
I'm cross posting over at Americablog too.
Sometimes this job has it's perks: in Germany for unification, in Hong Kong on handover, in OZ when they woke up.
plantsman, how was the Thanksgiving repast? All work out for you?
mimi never mentioned Interpol. That was the queen Hatriot Marcelina who exagerated again. She is full of hate that one and in the EU the laws for cyber harassment are quite strong - you Americans just cannot believe. That woman is a beast.
Wow, Barndog, guess you're in luck then. Somebody might have mentiioned how nice watching the game would be for everyone.
I had to give up CSpan for most of the holiday, The Kid is intolerant of talking heads.
Yes, Ruth; went wonderfully well. Brought out the Restaurant Critic in me, but I resisted entertaining him. ( The cranberry sauce tried too hard, too many spices obscuring the pure taste of the stuff.
The Mushroom Strudel was SO GOOD, I could eat it again and again, if I hadn't devoured it!)
mimi told me to read this blog to find out more about Americans. what I see here is not so different from what I see at the rightists' blog. There are some nice people in both, but mostly hate towards others that are not like you therefore I will now call you all Hatriots*
*except Barry
mimi never mentioned Interpol.
Really? Do you have detailed information on every time mimi has commented here, "Waltraud"?
Barry you should be a photojournalist instead of a pilot.
How nice for you, Waltraud; you could have learned all this simply by looking in a mirror.
WSJ report all about shopping. but admitting there is a slowdown.
"I hope the good people of Australia find Rudd to be less of a disappointment than Pelosi has been."
Australia has one thing that America seems to lack: a professional, apolitical public service, which does most of the heavy lifting.
By and large, the elected parliamentarians are amateurs. Politicians maybe. Smoove-n-sleazy, definitely. But they don't know shit about running a successful organisation, let alone a country's economy or its international relations. Nevertheless, so long as the parliamentarians are not completely deranged, as Howard was by the end, the public servants can translate their stupid stump-speeches into something approaching value-for-money, for all.
Howard's problem was that he forgot that government, unlike 'politics', is an actual profession.
Iraq is a case in point: snake-oil salesman Howard and his fellow traveller, 'president' Bush, thought Iraq was both winnable, and a 'winner'. As any ordinary thoughtful citizen, and certainly as any professional public servant (soldiers, diplomats, government lawyers in parrticular) knew, Iraq was certain to be a disaster on every measure.
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I am simply bemused at how disaster follows wherever mimi goes.
John Howard is on the escalator up to say I give up.
Wonder if he's talked to Dubya?
Barry, the cretin in chief is still asleep. And when he wakes up or does his imitation of same, no one will want to tell him his buds are unacceptable.
Mimi taught me chemistry, calculus, oragami, and how to sing gregorian chants. She is quite a gal.
yes I read this faithfully and often I am sitting right beside my cousin while she is posting and we talk about it. we talk about the social dynamics here and how they are different than in Europe.
Also because of her work, mimi has to often use legal methods to fix the situation so she is quite good at that. she just got a big amount of money from a case against a bank here and that is how she paid her vacation. she got 2 years salary. she is a lawyers dream client because she is so good at getting evidence for her case and she knows the laws.
Also, the nastiest people are the most popular here is one we noticed very early on.
http://ccoaler.blogspot.com/2007...by-
nytimes.html
Bush is judged "modest"
mimi went to university very young. she is very smart.
and what makes you think she was on those ships? she may have finished her cruise already.
goodbye Hatriots.
Here it goes:
JHoward - I called Rudd, asked for more KY next time.
I wished him well (stole all the R keys off the keyboards )
We are prosperous, well me, but not you citizens.
I got to travel a lot.
It was unbelievable that you kept me in office this long.
{{Well, I'm no Culture of Truth, he does much better }}
Certain Europeans and expatriates have a habit of projecting an alternate reality onto everything else and expecting others to pretend along with them.
So be it.
TellTale:
I found it quite telling that it was reported that shrub is in a better mood these days because he's decided to do things by executive order and not mess around with the Congress anymore. That way he can stick it to the Dems while trying to salvage something for his legacy. He seems to have forgotten that after winning an election you actually have to do more than campaign against the other side.
Maybe that's better for us. The less he tries to govern the better.
you mean all mimi's stories about losing her job because of hatred of her womanhood and having to try starting up her own business in videos was a LIE?
The less he tries to govern the better.
ql vaginal American
His presidency will be remembered for selling bikes.
Yes, and her control of Immigration to Canada was a lie, and her awful stories about Molly Ivors being a drunk were a lie, and the super-model stuff, and the nuclear physicist stuff, and....
Ruth - My older girl forbids me listening to CSPAN when she visits. Heh.
Ignore the troll, there really are some serious issues going on there.
I found it quite telling that it was reported that shrub is in a better mood these days because he's decided to do things by executive order and not mess around with the Congress anymore. That way he can stick it to the Dems while trying to salvage something for his legacy. He seems to have forgotten that after winning an election you actually have to do more than campaign against the other side.
Executive Orders - any he would issue would be recinced at 12:20 pm Nov 20, 2009 by any incoming dem.
Or ask NTodd.
Of course, ql, I have a very limited tv subscription, so Discovery Channel was the Kid's substitute, and that worked for me.
Well no wonder John Howard lost.
He just introduced his son, "who came back from America for the last week of the campaign."
Slacker kid.
Not at all like those Romeny boyz tearing up Iowa in a Winnebago.
plantsman, I missed most of the down and dirty stuff that seemed to come in the wee hours. But sad that anyone would go online for no reason but to mess with people. Especially when there are such sterling people here who are worth chatting with, and getting to know.
Conventional Bread Stuffing is a minefield of carbs, so I eschewed it entirely, but socked away a small
box of Stove Top in case I pined for it. Nearly fixed
it last night, and will have to mull what a cherished
place on the Thanksgiving Table it holds.
Barry from AK in Sydney, thanks for the report about Howard. You made my morning happy.
One great aspect of my son's visit was that my adopted Fluffy cat came and lay beside him and purred when he petted him, while Cleocatra treats him like an axe murderer. But she was feral, and remains very skittish.
Official figures from the Australian Electoral Commission showed Labor in front with more than 60 percent of the ballots counted. An Australian Broadcasting Corp. analysis showed that Labor would get at least 81 places in the 150- seat lower house of parliament — a clear majority.
http://ccoaler.blogspot.com/ 2007/ 11/ howards-reign-in-australia-is-over.html
Barry from AK in Sydney, thanks for the report about Howard. You made my morning happy.
mer
Hee you're welcome.
I also learned a lesson, crossposting on America blog may result in some unexpected dating offers.
The last few days have been clear and cold, with temps low enough that the table on the patio can function as storage for perishables as well as the ice chest -- and next week I must consider involving the landlord to clear up the stricken fridge mess.
Well John Howard did one thing you'll never see Dubya do: he took total responsibility for the party's losses.
Ben Stein on WSJ report saying 40% of retirees have NO savings. That seems incredible. But also saying that $7TN losses in tech bust far exceed the few hundred billions of the housing losses so far.
John Howard has more class than Dubya -- but that's not saying much.
plantsman, it's been in the 30 - 40's range here, that's refrigeration level too. Luckily, I haven't needed to use the great outdoors tho. Good joss on the frig.
My next-door neighbors have a strange relationship with their two cats - at least one of whom seems to have adopted another person who lets him come inside. The putative owners leave them outside mostly, rain, freeze, or shine -- and the cats have made clear they are not fond of this.
I was a bit off yesterday with the low temp. It was a brisk 17f.
Good thing I winterized the 5th wheel on Wed.
Ben Stein is full of it. He is continually trying to pretend the housing crisis doesn't matter. The tech losses were investment losses, which hurt some people a great deal.
When people are losing their homes though, it's a profoundly more painful experience.
Many of the losses in tech stocks were offset by people whose portfolios were diverse so they didn't lose everything.
Housing is what fuels the consumer economy with the refinancing. A dying housing market has wings.
Howard is the first PM in 78 years to lose his seat.
I was a bit off yesterday with the low temp. It was a brisk 17f.
Good thing I winterized the 5th wheel on Wed.
Barndog, waiting for warm
Spoke with House Frau in Anchorage earlier, it's been in the mid 40's. All the snow is gone.
Wow.
It's actually a bit nippy here in North Carolina mountain land this morning. 21 degrees out. We're going to warm up to the mid 40's today though.
Howard is the first PM in 78 years to lose his seat.
Falafel Boy
And it wasn't even close.
So, night before last, the somewhat tipsy neighbor
came out her front door and began calling and whistling for "Cooper" -- as one might for a dog.
This went on for about half-an-hour, until at last she gave up.
trifecta, the prospects of redoubled housing losses over the next year as the ARMs kick in is very ominous. And building is kaput.
yep, Ben Stein is whistling thru a graveyard. Typical of economic reporters, they can't make their source of funding mad by hinting that things aren't working out for the masters.
plantsman, 'Cooper' has more sense than the 'owner' obviously.
So, night before last, the somewhat tipsy neighbor
came out her front door and began calling and whistling for "Cooper" -- as one might for a dog.
This went on for about half-an-hour, until at last she gave up.
plantsman, bulbalicious
Kitterpersons will find a home where they are wanted.
As a kid, I remember the Scott family down the street had a Siamese they left outside. She adopted the family across the alley, who let her in.
Ben Stein, Social Conservative; doing wink-wink commercials aimed at stoners for Clear Eyes.
I should mention three things:
1. Thanks Barry, for your reports.
2. The Howard defeat leaves Australia with no conservative government anywhere in Australia, at either state or national level.
3. The conservatives were entrenched and popular in Australia before Iraq. Australians had enough. Bush-co is beatable. Simple democracy kills it, like sunlight on a vampire.
Keep the faith. Light beats darkness. Peace beats war. Truth beats lies. Love beats hate.
What saddens me more than anything on this happy, peace-affirming day, is that all the soldiers, all the women and the children, al the old men, all the blood and all the treasure, squandered by these evil, stupid, vain old white-men will never come back, even as the flowers of hope bloom bright again...
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Aren't Siamese now Thaikats?
Morning, kids.
V wrote me last night. Some friends of theirs had a baby that died and she was looking for some poetry. I sent her a few, but for some things there are no words.
I've got a pot of coffee brewing, it's 50 degrees outside, and raining.
LarryElvis is jus' LarryElvis.
TTH; Keep the faith. Light beats darkness. Peace beats war. Truth beats lies. Love beats hate.
Nice tho't, and yep, those are the differences between us n' them.
Our long national nightmare is over.
Molly, the poem that I have experienced that expresses the sadness of losing a baby I can't remember the source of but is simply;
"Cover softly, gentle earth."
Aw, Molly; that pain is so deep I can't fathom it -- finding some comfort would be hard. It's schlocky, but "In the Arms of The Angels" might be a good song for such a time. There's a great version with Emmylou Harris and Sarah McLachlan at Lilith Fair, that sends shivers down my spine.
"Our long national nightmare is over."
--animus
If you're in Australia, yes.
We've got 14 more long months to go.
I keep looking for this Emily Dickinson one that starts "peace after long suffering, it is right," but I can't find it.
I read Naomi Wolf's The End of America: Letter of Warning to a Young Patriot over the last 2 days.
I recommend it highly...
Naomi Klein, Naomi Wolf, Susan Faludi... my heroes right now.
We've got 14 more long months to go.
mer
And we must get busy making sure the nightmare never happens again here.
Actually, in less than 12 months, we will have voted, and will know this will end.
I should mention three things:
1. Thanks Barry, for your reports.
Kevin Rudd is about to give his speech, nice music.
KRudd - A short time ago, I got a call from the outgoing PM. Let's not trash him too bad.
I wish John Howard the very best ( er, in the FoxNoise sense, I wonder?)
Many people voted Lefty for the first time, Wheee!
I got the hat embroidery company making #26 caps right now.
I'm gonna be the first PM to help the Aborigines.
Troops are outta Afghanistan and Iraq.
Workers rights, education tax credits, fund the public hospitals, Kyoto.
Susan Faludi helped radicalize me in my 20's. I never looked at the media the same after reading Backlash.
And we must get busy making sure the nightmare never happens again here.
Ruth
With voter ID, vote caging, corrupt voter roll purging to watch for, what could be a historic shift might become only a temporary setback for the other side.
Ohh, he just told Dubya he won't be dictated to.
Whether or not Howard loses his seat, he will resign from the party leadership. The new opposition leader will be Howard's Treasurer, Peter Costello. Sub-eds all over the country will beg him to appoint his great rival, Tony Abbott, as shadow Treasurer.
It is our job to make sure the true memories of this dark time are not forgotten while we live.
The money is heading our way. Wall Street typically loves thugs, but their incompetence is making them pine for more Clinton leadership.
Whether or not Howard loses his seat, he will resign from the party leadership. The new opposition leader will be Howard's Treasurer, Peter Costello. Sub-eds all over the country will beg him to appoint his great rival, Tony Abbott, as shadow Treasurer.
animus
"Wether or not..."
He got his ass handed to him over his own seat by a Sheila.
Is a Sheila just a woman, or a particular type of woman.
The version of "In The Arms of The Angels" I'm thinking of is from Sarah's "iTunes Originals" album....
Is a Sheila just a woman, or a particular type of woman.
ql vaginal American
Errr, I'm not sure.
She's blonde, very attractive, probably spent some time on the beaches.
trifecta, the credit crunch is as direct a result of the cretin in chief's deregulation bonanza as the increased incidence of food poisoning, and even our financial community can see it's really bad for us. Foreign investment flight is particularly embarrassing.
"Sheila" is a fairly generic term. Maxine McKew is a political journalist who left the government-owned television network to run against Howard. And with only 77% of the vote counted in his seat, I don't want to get my hopes up.
This is the woman who beat John Howard.
Maxine McKew
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Max...ki/
Maxine_McKew
Has Howard conceded his own seat?
Voted worst pop lyric of all time, by Des'ree; It laments: "I don't want to see a ghost/It's the sight that I fear most/I'd rather have a piece of toast/Watch the evening news."
at http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_ne...and/
6633489.stm
Has Howard conceded his own seat?
plantsman, bulbalicious
Yea, it was kinda hidden in his concession as PM speech.
He's totally out.
Ooops, time to check the unemployment rolls.
Howard has conceded.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/rss/-/2...fic/
7109692.stm
Dear Cripes,
May Jeevan reappear and take a wrench to HaloScan!
Howard is in his sixties, and has been in parliament since 1974, which gives him one hell of a pension. He's going to be more retired than unemployed, worse luck.
Ok, I'll admit that Australia is a whole lot smaller than the US in population...
But they did this whole election on Paper Ballots.
And by 11:30 pm east coast time, it's done and counted.
Errrr... a goal for the USA?
Has Howard conceded his own seat?
More or less, and pretty much everyone admits he's lost the seat. In the concession speech for the wider election he quite clearly stated he's retiring anyway, which he wouldn't have done if staying on as opposition leader.
It's still pretty close, see http://vtr.aec.gov.au/HouseDivis...s-13745-
105.htm for the most up-to-date and official updates. About 80% of the preferences from the Greens will go to McKew (i.e. add 80% of the Greens figure to McKew), but even in the unlikely event of Howard winning there will be an immediate by-election since he's retiring, and I can't see McKew losing that.
"Is a Sheila just a woman, or a particular type of woman."
"Errr, I'm not sure. She's blonde, very attractive, probably spent some time on the beaches."
Maxine McKew is a woman (a 'sheila', in Aussie-parlance, is not disparaging), very expreienced and well-respected as a political commentator on public TeeVee, but a noob as a political candidate.
Highly intelligent and knowlegeable, gentle, articulate, principled, un-sold-out, and I admit, and good-looking. Would make a brilliant Attorney-General.
http://images.google.com.au/imag...ch+Images&
gbv=2
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It's still pretty close, see http://vtr.aec.gov.au/HouseDivis...ivis...s-13745-
105.htm for the most up-to-date and official updates. About 80% of the preferences from the Greens will go to McKew (i.e. add 80% of the Greens figure to McKew), but even in the unlikely event of Howard winning there will be an immediate by-election since he's retiring, and I can't see McKew losing that.
Magnum
Are you kidding me. I'm watchin 5 or 6 different OZ TV channels, and they aren't even reporting on that race anymore.
Maxine gave her "I won" speech, and that was it for Bennelong, JH was out.
Morning, all.
17 degrees here this morning. Brrr........
pud-free thread.
Maxine gave her "I won" speech, and that was it for Bennelong, JH was out.
Actually, she didn't say that she'd won for certain. But it was hard to tell over all the cheering.
Australia has returned to sanity!
Jesus, I just checked the weather for DE and it will only be a high of 41 today, but later in the week it will be close to 60 again.
The thing with parliamentary elections is the sudden change of power. Howard loses his PM office today. No time for one last visit to Bush for another luvvy duvvy.
Blair's situation was different as that was a change of PM without elections.
It probably didn't help John Howard that another Digger was killed just a couple of days ago in Afghanistan.
Huge news here, each individual soldier killed.
Blair's situation was different as that was a change of PM without elections.
ecoast | 11.24.07 - 7:43 am | #
The Australian advantage is that Labor was not taken over by "centrists" - as in the US and UK.
As mentioned upthread, not a single Rightard govt in the country as of tonight.
Man, one can only wish for a duplication at home.
sheets
FIrst climate change election, and the climate won.
Are you kidding me.
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Barry from AK in Sydney | Homepage | 11.24.07 - 7:39 am | #
I've been following the tally all evening and it's ranged from 100 ahead to McKew to about 1500, with 77.18% counted. Right now the lead is less than 500, with still of course postal and pre-votes to be counted. There's a lot of minor parties, but the bulk of those votes are to the Greens of whom about 80% of preferences will go to Labor, but you never know esp with the other minor parties.
No-one at all has conceded or claimed the seat.
*rolls eyes*
No-one at all has conceded or claimed the seat.
*rolls eyes*
Magnum
I'm sitting here in Sydney, and it's a conceded done deal.
Whatever. I already said everyone including Howard knows the seat has gone, but no-one has put in a claim or concession. Those are the facts.
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