HULK SMASH!!!
Yes!
I can dig it.
Hallelujah!
Hey, racy.
I still say that HRC would make a better president.
Why mimi?
Face it, neither of them are much. But Hillary's a craven racist.
hey Zap! 
Zaaaapp, have you finished scrubbing the toilet yet?
/zapette
Graceful exit or scorched earth policy?
We should be so lucky every four years.
But, dammit...no more of this 'kitchen sink' bullshit.
I still say that HRC would make a better president.
Either one would be better than a third Bush term.
I thought we only had Jesus sheets on Sunday.
I'll have you know, TKK, I was only tasked with cleaning the litter box and doing some dishes. Mission accomplished.
Now I'm kicking it with a live album of the Flying Burrito Brothers.
Maybe HRC is a racist but since I don't really listen to the American news, I am not exposed to it.
I think that given the political climate in which Bill Clinton worked in the 90's, he did a very good job, and from everything that I've read, HRC is a much better administrator and concensus-seeker than her husband.
Obama doesn't have that track record, although he might possess these abilities. He seems like a better campaigner than administrator.
Shoot, Kill, Lie, Repeat: America's New Moral Universe by Chris Floyd
anyway, I have to go out and enjoy the city of lights.
bye.
racymind rules. But we knew that.
Well, according to this article I just read, Clinton is staying in till the convention, or until Obama reaches 2,209 delegates (which includes Michigan and Florida). So I think she's going scorched earth.
Sinfonian, I'm guessing you've got the kids this weekend.
I don't agree with HRC being a better administrator based on the example of the disaster of her campaign organization, compared to the brilliance and cohesion of his. Its about deferring to smart people, rather than loyal people, which is the real break from Bush that needs to happen.
That being said, you can't deny that her heart has been with progressive causes for some time, and she's been a good rallying point. But it's true, her most important leadership moment is right now, in fixing the rabid divisiveness she's created among her followers, but also Obama's.
"Maybe HRC is a racist but since I don't really listen to the American news, I am not exposed to it."
Out of earshot out of mind?
"from everything that I've read, HRC is a much better administrator and concensus-seeker than her husband."
What consensus? She's just announced that she's Queen of White America.
Thx Sallyh. Now if only Sinfonian will be my vice-president.
Who would even want Obama to be Jesus? Jesus was crucified, and it took a few hundred years after that for his followers to get any real political power. By that time, of course, his real message had been utterly corrupted. No thank you.
Atrios, "vary persuasuive?" Damn spellcheck.
A-Man, you keep on being all reasonable and shit, the Leftospherian firebrands are gonna throw you under the bus with Josh.
Not bad company, you ax me...
Graceful exit or scorched earth policy?
I'm putting my money on the latter.
"That being said, you can't deny that her heart has been with progressive causes for some time, and she's been a good rallying point. "
What heart?
From linky:
Publicly, Mrs. Clinton is signaling that she is in the fight to win. In her speeches and in personal pleas to undecided superdelegates, she argues that she has proved better than Mr. Obama at attracting support from Latinos, Roman Catholics and older and working-class voters, and is better equipped than he is to win the swing states in November.
“There is no margin for error,” she said on Thursday night at a fairground in Central Point, Ore. “We need to elect someone who understands how Washington works and is ready from Day 1.”
This is what's bugged me about her campaign....this talk that we're collectively strapped to a suicide belt and, by not voting for her, the belt will blow up. It's not "do or die" by any stretch of the imagination.
Barack Obama is Jesus
Just kidding.
-Atrios
Wait a minute: Barack Obama isn't Jesus?
I want my money back.
racymind, from all indications, Sinfonian's easy
Sinfonian, I'm guessing you've got the kids this weekend.
Sallyh, Grandmere Poissonniere
Well, just last night and today. Tomorrow being Mother's Day, I'm taking them back in a couple of hours ...
"from everything that I've read, HRC is a much better administrator and concensus-seeker than her husband."
Does nobody ever watch that CodePink video?
The biggest thing Clinton has ever had to administrate was this campaign.
Where's the part about the Shroud of Turin? Jesus Sheets, my ass.
The only way McStain wins is through massive vote fraud (such as happened in 2000 and 2004).
With humility and a deep sense of responsibility, I gratefully accept racymind's invitation to be her running mate.
Okay, here's the deal.
Hillary talked about winning "hard working white people."
Obviously, that's as opposed to "shiftless, lazy black people."
I'm sorry it's code (crude, but familiar), it's racist, and she knew what she said when said it.
I simply do not see how anybody who supports her can rationalize it as anything else.
End of rant, even though it's Saturday.
The question is whether either of them would be better than McCain and the question is undoubtedly yes -- loads fuckin' better.
So once we know who the nominee is going to be, it's time to stop being assholes towards each other.
Sadly, from 14 to 80 there are a lot of immature a-holes out there.
So did mememe make itself a RIL sockpuppet on that last thread, or does she really think she can get anywhere by making nice with it? I was pretty perplexed by that.
Sinfonian, yeah, I won't get to see Maddy tomorrow. Her dad's being a bit of a dick about us seeing her right now because he's pissed at Mlle for not going back to him. But I will see Mlle.
and from everything that I've read, HRC is a much better administrator and concensus-seeker than her husband.
Bill's track record would suggest otherwise.
This is what's bugged me about her campaign....this talk that we're collectively strapped to a suicide belt and, by not voting for her, the belt will blow up. It's not "do or die" by any stretch of the imagination.
Zap Rowsdower
Sounds almost ... Rovian, doesn't it?
With humility and a deep sense of responsibility, I gratefully accept racymind's invitation to be her running mate.
Racymind, see?
"Penalize Lieberman
Even strong support from Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid may not save the Homeland Security Committee chairmanship for Sen. Joseph Lieberman if he goes through with plans to address the Republican National Convention in St. Paul, Minn.
Reid opposes trying to kick Lieberman out of the Senate Democratic caucus (which would cost him his chairmanship) because he has endorsed Republican John McCain for president. But other Democratic senators complain Lieberman would go a step too far if he addresses the Republican convention. Elected as an independent in 2006, Lieberman now designates himself an "Independent Democrat."
A footnote: Lieberman recently approached one prominent supporter of Hillary Clinton with a suggestion that he consider supporting McCain if Barack Obama is nominated." http://
www.realclearpolitics.com...es_hillary.html
Where's the part about the Shroud of Turin?
The church has yet to explain the wet spot.
I think Hillary will throw it in at the end of the month.
Are the numerous people on pro-Hillary blogs saying they'll stay home or vote McCain actually Republicans?
Or new Naderites?
Steve S, from a strategic point of view, it's one of the worst things she could have said. And it was downright nasty.
(waves plunger hopefully)
So did mememe make itself a RIL sockpuppet on that last thread, or does she really think she can get anywhere by making nice with it? I was pretty perplexed by that.
blerb
That was really RIL. She had a legit question, far as I could tell. Not really trying to "get anywhere."
With humility and a deep sense of responsibility, I gratefully accept racymind's invitation to be her running mate.
Sinfonian, daddy
You see, people!? You see? THAT's how it's done.
My ticket needed brains and a fund-raiser. As president of this thread, I promise to withdraw our commenters from all foreign engagements.
racymind, from all indications, Sinfonian's easy
Sallyh, Grandmere Poissonniere | 05.10.08 - 10:45 am | #
But unlucky, apparently.
I don't think the conniptions over electability count for much either. I think McCain is a very weak candidate. Remember, none of the republicans liked him much either until they became absolutely horrified at their other choices. And I think that McCain may flame out so spectacularly in debates (with either democrat) and with other senility gaffes that perhaps even a third party candidate will appear during the fall that will cause the republican to finish in 3rd place.
I live in Illinois. My brother was one of three field supervisors on Barack's successful Senate campaign. They are still on a first name basis. President Obama should shock and delight all progressives in his first term.
It is certainly true that he is not consistenly liberal on all issues. He does, however, have a belief that government can and should solve the intractable problems facing us.
Biggest risk?????? He can be a little high brow intellectual and the risk is that his administration becomes too policy wonkish. He cannot afford to surround himself with to many academics but needs to have some "get it done" kind of staffers.
The church has yet to explain the wet spot.
I should know better than to have coffee when Leibniz is posting.
Dalek, fresh lemon poundcake for you.
Are the numerous people on pro-Hillary blogs saying they'll stay home or vote McCain actually Republicans?
Or new Naderites?
Helena | 05.10.08 - 10:48 am | #
They're democrats, I bet... But you can't really listen to that kind of stuff seriously. They're upset, and throwing a tantrum, but I doubt they would be stupid enough to want to continue Republican rule after the worst administration in American history.
(deadthreaded)
Simels,
Did you know that Katia Labeque is married to John McLaughlin?
I have always taken a pretty dim view of the average American intellect, but being a fervent Hillary supporter who would then vote for McCain over Obama is some pretty powerful stoopit. I really don't buy that there are so many of those out there.
A footnote: Lieberman recently approached one prominent supporter of Hillary Clinton with a suggestion that he consider supporting McCain if Barack Obama is nominated."
I'm sure Joe & Lanny Davis approach each other quite often -- bearing check and all.
I still think HoJo should have to show himself as a member of the "Connecticut for Lieberman" party. 
But unlucky, apparently.
Well, there was his unfortunate affair with NTodd.
Lieberman, the 2008 Zell Miller.
The question is whether either of them would be better than McCain and the question is undoubtedly yes -- loads fuckin' better.
And yes, she would be a gazillion times better than McCain.
But I've seen zero evidence of her trying to differentiate herself from McCain and saying why or how she'd do better. It's always been about Barack.
As president of this thread, I promise to withdraw our commenters from all foreign engagements.
Are you talking about breaking up Mimi and Laurent?
"we never mention McCain's father's dead when he brings out his 96 year old mother"-cable news
WOO HOO!
(elevates, does back flip)
But unlucky, apparently.
steve hussein simels
There sure is a lot of assumption-making going on here today ...
racymind, Excellent post on ER's and the state of emergency preparedness on your blog.
Gromit, good morning!
I have one final to compose. Then I'm ready for the end
Just making Joke LIEberman a lame duck for the next four years will make my day.
I have always taken a pretty dim view of the average American intellect, but being a fervent Hillary supporter who would then vote for McCain over Obama is some pretty powerful stoopit. I really don't buy that there are so many of those out there.
blerb
Some blogs have taken such a strident tone against Obama (or Hillary for that matter) that what little intellectual self-worth they have has now put up a mental block toward voting for them -- it's like how Bush refuses to acknowledge mistakes and just makes things worse.
Cognitive dissonance.
I have always taken a pretty dim view of the average American intellect, but being a fervent Hillary supporter who would then vote for McCain over Obama is some pretty powerful stoopit. I really don't buy that there are so many of those out there.
blerb | 05.10.08 - 10:50 am | #
Right, its more a threat than a statement of intention. They are playing chicken, like a kid who says he's going to hold his breath until he gets the GI Joe. He's not actually going to asphixiate himself to death.
Biggest risk?????? He can be a little high brow intellectual and the risk is that his administration becomes too policy wonkish.
My, my, my that sounds so refreshing. Almost makes me giddy.
Are you talking about breaking up Mimi and Laurent?
Willendorf Venus
No. Laurent can be deflated and put in the luggage.
(and thx Gromit)
Are you talking about breaking up Mimi and Laurent?
There's nothing to break up, she stole my dope stash and sold it!!
Did you know that Katia Labeque is married to John McLaughlin?
Gromit | Homepage | 05.10.08 - 10:50 am | #
Yeah, I do. The lucky bastard. McLaughlin, I mean...
End of rant, even though it's Saturday.
steve hussein simels
That was a rant? That was "2 + 2 = 4".
JMM the other day said something like "you don't have to be a racist to say these things {and I doon't think she is)...". I disagree. Josh is sometimes too nice. Under the bus, asshole!!
So once we know who the nominee is going to be, it's time to stop being assholes towards each other.
Far as I'm concerned, we already know.
I wish she would either suspend her campaign or run against McStain.
Doesn't mean I've turned into a Hillary hater, just recognizing the facts.
And no haloscan, I didn't already say this.
Sinfonian, bear in mind that Steve S's fantasy is to have sex with 2 women.
In the same year.
I have always taken a pretty dim view of the average American intellect, but being a fervent Hillary supporter who would then vote for McCain over Obama is some pretty powerful stoopit. I really don't buy that there are so many of those out there.
This is why I won't, in a million years, take Taylor Marsh seriously.
The Kind of Best Friend You’d Love a Kid to Have [Kathryn Jean Lopez]
So last night I went to the Best Friends Foundation’s 20th-anniversary celebration. Since I had missed young Colin Powell and Bill Bennett singing “How Sweet It Is” in shades and leather bomber jackets in years past, I was glad to get the flashback during a brief video presentation during dinner.
Are young Colin Powell and Bill Bennett ex-bomber pilots? If not, they should be jailed for impersonating same.
I would like to have a redo a bit further back. For me, neither of these candidates represent my liberal views. Both are lukewarm Dems, both suck up to AIPAC, big oil, big pharm and the rest. The status quo is protected once again. . In case no one has noticed, we have been spoon fed our candidates once again. Below you can see what has happened since December but the same analysis would show that Edwards was locked out not to mention Dodd, Biden or Kuchinich.
This is from CENTER FOR MEDIA AND PUBLIC AFFAIRS…
http://www.cmpa.com/Studies/Elec...ws%
202_1_08.htm
“Since mid-December, when the presidential candidates turned their full attention to the Iowa caucuses, Sen. Barack Obama has led the race for good press and Sen. Hillary Clinton has lagged the farthest behind. From Dec 16 through Jan 27 five out of six on-air evaluations of Obama (84%) have been favorable, compared to a bare majority (51%) of evaluations of Mrs. Clinton.”
(NBC seems desperate for ratings)
“The gap in good press has widened since the New Hampshire primary, with Clinton dropping to 47% positive comments and Obama holding steady at 83% positive. NBC’s coverage has been the most critical of Clinton – nearly 2 to 1 negative (36% positive and to 64% negative.”
And you just have to ask:
Is it just a coincidence that the Obama demographics match perfectly with the key demographics (18-49) that these media outlets and the blogs seek for revenue $$$ ?
It was and is a perfect commercial fit.
I have one final to compose. Then I'm ready for the end
Yay! Did you find out if you're doing summer teaching, or do you get to focus on research?
HICA!
Obama just left Chicago
He's goin' to New Orleans
.
Zap penalized for illegal use of an apostrophe...
Lime Rickey, I'd change that to, The Kind of Child Killers You Don't Want Within 100 Yards of Your Kid.
Bill Bennett is the kind of friend you'd like "your kid" to have?
Look, I'm not a fan of 60 plus year old gambling addicts hanging around with toddlers -- especially unrelated ones.
Right, its more a threat than a statement of intention. They are playing chicken, like a kid who says he's going to hold his breath until he gets the GI Joe. He's not actually going to asphixiate himself to death.
Matty
Cripes, I hope you're right. Problem is, it's not themselves these people are threatening to asphyxiate...
Gromit, our university is acting with its usual efficiency, so the answer is, I haven't a clue.
Same year, huh?
How 'bout the same week?
Did you know that Katia Labeque is married to John McLaughlin?
Gromit | Homepage | 05.10.08 - 10:50 am | #
I think that's "was married" at this point.
♥ ♥ ♥ ♥ ♥ Sallyh! ♥ ♥ ♥ ♥ ♥
Did you see LOLarryElvis?
.
{{{Jeffraham!!!}}}
Obama just left Chicago
He's goin' to New Orleans
Working one end to the other
and all point's in between...
Cripes, I hope you're right. Problem is, it's not themselves these people are threatening to asphyxiate...
Meanie-meanie, tickle a person | Homepage | 05.10.08 - 10:56 am | #
Yeah, but since they are poor, hard-working people (according to Hillary), they have the most to lose - the GOP has long wanted to put those people into camps.
Jeffraham, aww! He's so cute!
Gromit, our university is acting with its usual efficiency, so the answer is, I haven't a clue.
Well, you could grab your laptop and research materials, and hop on the first tramp steamer to somewhere tropical.
Gonna go mow the lawn with my, whisper quiet, battery powered, Black and Decker.
Obama is far from perfect, being human and all, but I've been excited by his candidacry.
As far as identity politics go, I think he's tried to avoid them and the Clinton camp has played them up, the more so when the campaign got in trouble.
I don't think she would be a good president, and I think we need another passing of the torch.
But I don't think she's out of it. I think they thought Wright could do Obama in, coupled with spinning words like "bitter" and "cling" and the Rezco business, the fake NAFTA story and some other stuff. I imagine there is more to come.
.
There sure is a lot of assumption-making going on here today ...
Sinfonian, daddy | Homepage | 05.10.08 - 10:51 am | #
Just yanking your chain, my friend...
Zap penalized for illegal use of an apostrophe...
It's cool, I just discovered I did the same thing.
Remember, the crux of the biscuit is the apostrophe.
Gromit, you mean if I bring my laptop and research materials, I can go to Manzanillo and kick back?
You didn't say anything about working
They're so fluffy and so light
We'll make a fortune by tonight
The LA Times/Bloomberg released a poll.
At the nadir of the Dems bashing each other both Obama & Clinton beat McCain's ass.
http://www.latimes.com/news/
prin...0,1325783.story
As president of this thread, I feel a little like W. My term will be over before you can impeach me.
So let's recap the scene: the US military and its Iraqi "allies" are laying siege to a sprawling neighborhood in Baghdad housing roughly 2.5 million Iraqis, launching air strikes, artillery attacks, tank shells and other assorted ordnance, shutting down hospitals and bombing others, cutting off the supply of food and walling off entire sectors of the embattled region
Sounds a lot like the Warsaw ghetto, ca. 1943.
35 minute opium burrito window...
.
Bill Bennett is the kind of friend you'd like "your kid" to have?
Look, I'm not a fan of 60 plus year old gambling addicts hanging around with toddlers -- especially unrelated ones.
Attaturk | Homepage | 05.10.08 - 10:55 am | #
Bill Bennett bought a pair of lederhosen for my little Kippy.
I thought it was an unusual gift for a grown man to give a child...
Mrs. Clinton publicly vowed to fight on for the nomination while campaigning on Friday in Oregon. But a new, more conciliatory tone crept into her stump speeches, as she shied away from the more spirited attacks on Mr. Obama that characterized her recent primary battles, instead engaging him more gently on the issues while aiming her fire on Senator John McCain of Arizona, the presumptive Republican nominee.
from the link (empahsis added)
She's been saying months the important thing is to get a Dem in the office and that if she weren't the nominee she would do everything she could to see that Obama won. Time to put up.
Whenever somebody brings up Rev. Wright we need to bring up Rod Parsley.
Sparkle Plenty this guy is in Ohio.
Racymind, like Bush, you could just phone it in
Sounds a lot like the Warsaw ghetto, ca. 1943.
DFH in Dubrovnik | 05.10.08 - 11:00 am | #
it's a massive war crime, unquestionably.
related fake news
DON KING SIGNS HILLARY CLINTON TO FIGHT CONTRACT
At a press conference in New York today, fight promoter Don King announced that he had signed Senator Hillary Clinton to a three-year contract for a minimum of four headliner prize fights.
Questioned by reporters about this unprecedented signing, Mr. King declared that Senator Clinton is undoubtedly the strongest, most indomitable fighter in America today. She had been on the ropes and has come back many times. And she has that showtime spirit, like Ali, crowing often about what a remarkable fighter she is.
King claimed that Clinton has a quality shared by few other fighters, she will never give up or stop fighting. Mrs. Clinton will never even acknowledge that she is far behind on points, or even knocked out.
In scheduling fights, Mr. King notes that he will, in deference to her age, postpone contests with the likes of Laila Ali or Jacqui Frazier Lyde. He plans to find a way to have fights with the daughters of champions like Jack Dempsey or John L. Sullivan. Even with fighters as strong as Clinton, it is important to keep her from losing her bearings.
homer www.altara.blogspot.com
Sounds a lot like the Warsaw ghetto, ca. 1943.
DFH in Dubrovnik | 05.10.08 - 11:00 am | #
Or what Bush I did in Panama City.
Hillary isn't a racist. She's ruthless. She might be a terrific president and she has many positives but she spent too much damn energy on negativity, not enough on finding a good reason to sell herself.
She can stay in the primaries, take Kentucky, W. VA, whatever but stop this insane demeaning of Obama and his supporters.
Gromit, you mean if I bring my laptop and research materials, I can go to Manzanillo and kick back?
yes, you need both laptop and papers to make a satisfactory pillow.
Did Jesus support negotiating a meal of Hummus without precondition utensils?
I like Ellen Malcom's take on this issue. Meanwhile, since it's going to be too wet and cold to work in the garden, I can haz more editing to do at the office.
Well said Dr. Black. Wish I had said that. Maybe more people would read my sucky crap.
Gotta escape for a bit. All these MDs in the other room are driving me nuts.
Gromit, true and sad story: when Mlle was 3, we went to Ixtapa. Monsieur and I were both grading and I was starting my doctoral work at that time. We were such a fun couple.
Aren't you the media? Aren't you a PHd in economics. Didn't see you using your education and training too much to highlight the policy differences between the two.
Seriously though, this is your challenge.
You have a lot of readers, probably more than my hometown paper, the Connecticut post. You deride the lack of coverage on certain issues all you want, but look in the mirror, you are the media now.
Racymind, like Bush, you could just phone it in
Sallyh, Grandmere Poissonniere
I refer all policy questions to the vice-president of this thread.
At least six people have died and 13 have been wounded in clashes in Mogadishu, the Somali capital, between opposition fighters and the army, according to witnesses.
Friday's fighting came as the UN's special envoy to Somalia said that government officials and exiled opposition leaders were set to hold talks in neighbouring Djibouti.
In Mogadishu, the clashes focused on an army base close to the presidential palace.
Mohamed Dini, a resident who said he saw the fighting from a window in his house, said: "I have seen two civilians killed in the battle and two government soldiers lying on the ground."
Dini said other Somali soldiers collected the bodies once the fighting died down.
http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/
...E2A7F63FC10.htm
She's been saying months the important thing is to get a Dem in the office and that if she weren't the nominee she would do everything she could to see that Obama won. Time to put up.
qlª | Homepage | 05.10.08 - 11:00 am | #
Indeed.
But a new, more conciliatory tone crept into her stump speeches, as she shied away from the more spirited attacks on Mr. Obama that characterized her recent primary battles,
And maybe that was part and parcel of the campaign...I don't know.
But why start now?
Young Colin Powell and Bill Bennett dressed in leather bomber jackets. They must have slaughtered a whole herd of cattle to make those two jackets.
Elitist Big Time
To some lawmakers from New York, however, Mr. Fossella is and always has been the embodiment of the heavily working class district he has long represented. Representative Peter T. King, a Republican from Long Island, recalled how Mr. Fossella was ready to cancel a recent fund-raiser that Vice President Dick Cheney planned to attend on his behalf on Park Avenue after Mr. Cheney’s staff objected to the congressman bringing along some friends from his district.
“The vice president’s office took the position that they only wanted paying customers at the event,” Mr. King said. “Vito insisted on bringing friends from Staten Island. He was ready to call off the event.”
Eventually, Mr. Fossella’s friends were allowed to attend, and apparently made an impression.
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/
1...10fossella.html
Proud moments for "THE HISTORY CHANNEL"
11 a.m. - "Brazil's Roswell"
Noon - "Canada's Roswell"
1 p.m. - "Mexico's Roswell"
Racymind, so Sinfonian's your Cheney?
Just yanking your chain, my friend...
steve hussein simels
Oh, I know.
I also know that people here have difficulty reading between the lines ...
Young Colin Powell and Bill Bennett dressed in leather bomber jackets. They must have slaughtered a whole herd of cattle to make those two jackets.
It won't be long before PETA shows up.
“The vice president’s office took the position that they only wanted paying customers at the event,” Mr. King said. “Vito insisted on bringing friends from Staten Island. He was ready to call off the event.”
!!
I refer all policy questions to the vice-president of this thread.
racymind
[snarls unintelligibly]
Young Colin Powell and Bill Bennett dressed in leather bomber jackets. They must have slaughtered a whole herd of cattle to make those two jackets.
Too bad someone like McGovern or John Glenn wasn't there to tell them to fuck off and die.
They're so fluffy and so light
We'll make a fortune by tonight
Laurent
Good morning, Your Highness. I brought you your snowshoes...
Racymind, so Sinfonian's your Cheney?
Sallyh, Grandmere Poissonniere
His heart is better
I agree Hillary would have at least been a very competent President, especially since George Bush has set that bar so low. She just isn't very exciting in the way Obama is.
Head explosion #2,455,897:
US war dead cremated in same facility as pets: Pentagon
WASHINGTON (AFP) — US Defense Secretary Robert Gates ordered a review of the handling of the remains of US war dead and apologized after learning that some were cremated in a commercial facility that also cremates pets, the Pentagon said.
http://afp.google.com/article/
AL...tpwqDl0pU3V_cog
His heart is better
That's because he's actually got one.
racymind linked to this over at her place, but I just saw it
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/
jo...an_b_96428.html
and it's scary and depressing.
The only question is when?????
Eventually, Mr. Fossella’s friends were allowed to attend, and apparently made an impression.
Especially with the brass knuckles.
I guess the biggest problem I have with Clinton is that fact that I doubt she would ge out of the war, not with Bill Clinton repeatedly telling Dems to "support" the war. The comment that "those 16 words were just a mistake" when it was so obvious that those words were not a mistake but a big, ugly conspiracy that the Clinton's earnestly still tried to push despite there being no WMD in Iraq. There is no doubt on my mind that Hillary supports this invasion for oil, because that is exactly what the war in Iraq is, particular with her vowing to fight for our "economic security" does make me understand that she would willing withdraw from this horrid war in Iraq. She is out right lying about that to the American people. Hillary isn't change, she more of the same.
And Bill told Hillary to get more aggressive against Obama but despite her attempts to ramp up attacks - Obama keep it nice. So it back fired on her. Dems are tried of and don't like Rove style mud slinging. She really messed up there.
Will Obama get out of Iraq? I don't know but I've got to believe being African American, maybe he understood slavery enough to know that what we are doing in Iraq is wrong and horrible on so many levels that he will find a way to leave Iraq. One can only pray that is what his intent is.
Bjorn, Christ.
Sparkle Plenty this guy is in Ohio.
HoneyBearKellyGoGiants
Oh, yes, know his schtick well, his tv studio church, pulpit visits by Coulter, patriot pastors, the whole creepy thing.
.
Got to scoot for burritos.
bbl
.
Bjorn, Christ.
Sallyh, Grandmere Poissonniere | 05.10.08 - 11:08 am | #
Quite a compliment!
And maybe that was part and parcel of the campaign...I don't know.
But why start now?
Zap Rowsdower
Ms. Clinton stands to lose about $10,000,000 of her money if she does not begin to act like an adult.
"That said, the secretary believes that it is inappropriate, even if though permissible under the rules, to cremate our fallen, our heroes in a facility that also cremates pets," he said.
I have a tendency to write about depressing stuff lately...
The only question is when?????
Ain't gonna happen.
As terrible as this administration is, they wont. They don't have the guts.
She's been saying months the important thing is to get a Dem in the office and that if she weren't the nominee she would do everything she could to see that Obama won. Time to put up.
qlª
I agree, but as long as she's still "in the race" she has a bigger podium. If I were her, I'd probably "stay in" and take advantage of the better media coverage to unleash everything we have against McCain.
racy, that's because there's so much of it.
Ms. Clinton stands to lose about $10,000,000 of her money if she does not begin to act like an adult.
I'd personally consider that sufficient motivation.
Ms. Clinton stands to lose about $10,000,000 of her money if she does not begin to act like an adult.
There's that...
Will Obama get out of Iraq?
When he spoke at the U of O last night and spoke of going after the guys who killed 3,000 Americans instead of the wasted lives and wasted hundreds of billions of dollars, he paused.... then said "Bring them home."
And the crowd erupted.
Kinda hard to go back on your word after moments like that, I should think.
Clubbed in the Head for Growth campaigning AGAINST health care for babies:
http://www.clubforgrowth.net/
200...new_mexico.html
Hey Simels, did you see The Visitor?
Racymind, so Sinfonian's your Cheney?
Sallyh, Grandmere Poissonniere
His heart is better
racymind
How's his aim?
As terrible as this administration is, they wont. They don't have the guts.
Or the military to pull that off.
Or the money.
Jenna will finally see Chimponomics first hand.
How's his aim?
Meanie-meanie, tickle a person
It's true.
Just ask Allison.
One wishes we could've rewound things to about March 4 and had a more substantive campaign, instead of the identity politics-based Freak Show campaign we've had since then.
Drive-by, but the same can be said for the discourse around these parts, atrios.
Kinda hard to go back on your word after moments like that, I should think.
Ah, the sweet naivety of youth...
How's his aim?
Meanie-meanie, tickle a person
Well, when we travel, the toilet seat is always clean...
big doings around here today, the annual pre-school beer blast. of course, the grads are now in their 20s but I keep going back and back. actually billed as the art fair with a raffle and face-painting and other things for the kiddies, but I always volunteer for the beer and bbq tent.
great fun. starts around 11
The air force has objected to the recent statements about cremation of veterans. Major General Shithead said, "Look, we've been cremating people from 30,000 feet for 70 years. We've cremated wedding parties, hospital staff and religious sites. We cremated half of Tokyo, and most of Hiroshima and Nagasaki. We didn't distinguish between males, females, friends, enemies, humans, pets, wildlife and even our own soldiers. What's all the fuss about cremating?"
The comment that "those 16 words were just a mistake" when it was so obvious that those words were not a mistake but a big, ugly conspiracy that the Clinton's earnestly still tried to push despite there being no WMD in Iraq. There is no doubt on my mind that Hillary supports this invasion for oil, because that is exactly what the war in Iraq is, particular with her vowing to fight for our "economic security" does make me understand that she would willing withdraw from this horrid war in Iraq. She is out right lying about that to the American people. Hillary isn't change, she more of the same.
I agree and I hope she loses her Senate seat to a better Democrat as soon as possible.
So Jenna becomes a woman tonight. Mazel tov!
"I agree Hillary would have at least been a very competent President, especially since George Bush has set that bar so low. She just isn't very exciting in the way Obama is."
i don't think that's her problem. the problem was that prior to march 4, obama had already acheived about a 120 pledged delegate lead.
you look at how badly her campaign has been run, despite every advantage they had, and it makes me wonder how her administration could have been run any better.
i just wish that they coulda kept this on a higher plane. my admiration for bill, especially, has totally eroded. he's lost a ton of respect, imo.
I can see the Bush Junta launching a bombing campaign in Iran if not an invasion
So Jenna becomes a woman tonight. Mazel tov!
Sinfonian, daddy | Homepage | 05.10.08 - 11:17 am | #
Her final BJ?
Hey Simels, did you see The Visitor?
racymind | Homepage | 05.10.08 - 11:14 am | #
No, saw your piece on it, though. I've head good things....
One of my cats doean't like bacon. Should I be alarmed? Is he a....werecat?
is that guy marrying Jenna one of the gooper closet queens? the goopers have the biggest closet in the world, brothers and sisters. it is like a clown car it is so capacious.
Her final BJ?
Well, she is getting married. So yes.
Hillary lost the spin war horribly starting in Feb when it was becoming clear to people paying attention that superdelegates were more likely than not to decide the outcome. That's why they trotted that 20 yr old SD who looked 14 early on as in "look at who can decide this" meaning "look at who can take this away from Obama". Then they declared that [this year] the pledged delegate "leader" should get the nomination, and anything other than that would be "overturning" the will of the people which of course is complete fucking nonsense, and Hillary would be "stealing" the nomination and all the college kids would stay home and blacks would riots, etc etc etc.
Same bullshit they pulled in 2000 on Gore by declaring Bush the winner and any path Gore took to lay claim to it would be "illegitimate".
I can see the Bush Junta launching a bombing campaign in Iran if not an invasion
Moonbootica, Latitude 2008 | Homepage | 05.10.08 - 11:17 am | #
Democracy bombs!
I can see the Bush Junta launching a bombing campaign in Iran if not an invasion
Moonbootica, Latitude 2008
Kinda weird how the Iraqi and Lebanese governments, within a few weeks of each other, initiate crackdowns on Shiite militias and blame Iran when it does wrong.
I agree and I hope she loses her Senate seat to a better Democrat as soon as possible.
Stunt Woman | 05.10.08 - 11:17 am | #
The sooner the better. I want the whole DLC wing of the Democratic party sent off to a monastery.
I've head good things....
Freudian slip?
Via Mark Evanier, for all youse Noo Yawkahs:
Nathan Lane's final performance in the play November (I discussed it here) will be July 13 so if you're anywhere near Broadway before then, that's the time to go see that one. Previews started on December 20 and the play opened January 17.
The producers haven't yet announced if they'll bring in a new star or close the play down. I'm guessing the latter since last week, Playbill reported attendance was at 49.5%. If you have Nathan Lane and good reviews and you're only selling half your seats, what kind of business will you do with your second choice?
is that guy marrying Jenna one of the gooper closet queens?
If he's gay, that's the least of his problems. He's got the biggest fucking asshole in the world for a FIL.
is that guy marrying Jenna one of the gooper closet queens? the goopers have the biggest closet in the world, brothers and sisters. it is like a clown car it is so capacious.
peterboy | 05.10.08 - 11:19 am | #
'cept vito.
I don't think she's out of it. I think they thought Wright could do Obama in, coupled with spinning words like "bitter" and "cling" and the Rezco business, the fake NAFTA story and some other stuff. I imagine there is more to come.
Nearly everyone will recognize this desperation when they smell it.
That said, I agree with the prediction.
I've head good things....
Freudian slip?
billy b
He does say 'blow me' alot
One of my cats doean't like bacon. Should I be alarmed? Is he a....werecat?
Meanie-meanie, tickle a person | Homepage | 05.10.08 - 11:19 am | #
Buy some slim-jims. If he won't eat those, you may have a problem....
Hillary should fire her entire campaign staff. Then rehire them and immediately fire them again.
So Jenna becomes a woman tonight. Mazel tov!
In lieu of the Vagina Monologes, Stuckeys is selling Jenna Vagina Pecan logs.
it is like a clown car it is so capacious.
peterboy
Did someone say clown car?
One of my cats doean't like bacon. Should I be alarmed? Is he a....werecat?
Meanie-meanie
A mooslim. Beware.
Meanie, mine barely eat people tuna.
And they're still cats.
Buy some slim-jims. If he won't eat those, you may have a problem...
I've got a cat that likes sourdough bread...
The rehearsal dinner was hosted by the parents of the groom, who turned 30 on Friday. Hager's father, John Hager, is the chairman of the Virginia Republican Party and is former lieutenant governor of Virginia and former U.S. assistant secretary of education.
Henry Hager met Jenna during her father's 2004 re-election campaign. He graduated from Wake Forest University and worked as an aide to Bush's former top political adviser Karl Rove. He is set to receive a master's degree in business administration later this month from the University of Virginia's Darden School of Business.
Between February 2005 and January 2006, he was an economic policy aide in the office of Commerce Secretary Carlos Gutierrez and regularly briefed the secretary on economic data. "He was widely regarded as a super star," said Ann Marie Hauser, press secretary at Commerce.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/
20080...JYf.meZhh2s0NUE
Kinda weird how the Iraqi and Lebanese governments, within a few weeks of each other, initiate crackdowns on Shiite militias and blame Iran when it does wrong.
P O'Neill | Homepage | 05.10.08 - 11:19 am | #
its a funny old world, one gets the feeling is a replay of the run up to Iraq invasion.
hyping up the Iran threat and seeing their hand in everything
I've head good things....
Freudian slip?
billy b
He does say 'blow me' alot
racymind | Homepage | 05.10.08 - 11:21 am | #
Oy gevalt. I gotta start using spellcheck....
He does say 'blow me' alot
He is set to receive a master's degree in business administration later this month from the University of Virginia's Darden School of Business.
Zap suicide watch...day two.
Between February 2005 and January 2006, he was an economic policy aide in the office of Commerce Secretary Carlos Gutierrez and regularly briefed the secretary on economic data. "He was widely regarded as a super star,"
The Euro is how strong now??
As terrible as this administration is, they wont. They don't have the guts.
Or the military to pull that off.
Or the money.
billy b
No one has gone broke underestimating the stupidity of the Bush Administration.
...mine barely eat people tuna.
We've got one cat that loves fish products and one cat that won't touch it. Then there's the sourdough (or any bread) thing, and they all like bacon and sausage.
My parents used to have a cat that liked taco filling, as well as Cheerios - he'd eat those without milk, so he must have actually liked them...
I was reading some column in the online Fortune magazine talking about why inflation is not going to be a big problem.
One of the things the author mentioned was since unions have declined in recent years,many more workers are not in a position to push to get higher wages. Problem "solved".
i just wish that they coulda kept this on a higher plane. my admiration for bill, especially, has totally eroded. he's lost a ton of respect, imo.
There's little doubt about that. And I wish Hillary and her people would get in their heads - as they should have done awhile back - they just can't win. Trying to destroy a front-runner is wildly reckless, to say the least. Insulting more Democratic voters is also wrong and dumber than hell.
She had every chance in the world. Money, power, name recognition, a press who assumed she'd win. So the victimization act is hard to take, even though the press tends to go nuts over every breath she takes.
The only question is when?????
barack will save us!
i blame clinton.
In lieu of the Vagina Monologes, Stuckeys is selling Jenna Vagina Pecan logs.
When I was a kid, Stuckeys used to sell foot long cigars that were were also fat...
the Bush Junta invaded Iraq against everyone's advice and protest and so an attack on Iran seems right up their street.
with this admin they never cease to be repulsive
Hip Hop Violin.
And I heard November was crap.
So Hager the Horriable finally gets to whiff the Jenna-tals tonight without Secret Cervix protection, eh?
The Euro is how strong now??
Bush superstar: "What's a Euro?"
it would be a spiteful thing to do, to start a conflict with Iran and hand it over to the next administration
Every dog you wake,
Every cake you bake,
I'll be watching you.
/bloom county
One of the things the author mentioned was since unions have declined in recent years,many more workers are not in a position to push to get higher wages.
Such good news! Thanks, Repukkkes.
big doings around here today, the annual pre-school beer blast.
Better sober 'em up in time for Kindergarten...
Carl Bernstein just said on CNN that Hilary is going for the VP nomination.
Hi folks, just a drive-by, 'cos I've got an opening night tonight.
barack will save us!
Except for the hard working white people. They're on their own.
Another op'nin', another show ...
Carl Bernstein just said on CNN that Hilary is going for the VP nomination.
She wont be offered it and she wouldn't accept it.
Breaken Sie einen Leg, Marcellina.
Bernstein said she is worried about her legacy and VP is better than nothin
Except for the hard working white people. They're on their own.
and the old people. and the women. and the latinos.
outta my way, granny!
I've got an opening night tonight.
Tonight what heights we'll hit -
On with the show, this is it!
"I don't think she's out of it."
no, she's been out of it since before march 4.
i remember watching chuck todd doing the math the night of the chesepeak primaries.
at that point she needed to win about 65% of all remaining pledged delegates. that is extraordinarilly difficult to do, almost impossible, given how delegates are awarded.
but the press was totally invested in this thing continuing, so it was on to texas and ohio. again, because of how delegates are awarded, the result of that contested changed *nothing* except raising the bar of how she'd have to do in the next set of states.
so, the night of ohio and texas reduced her chances, but onto pennsylvania for more of the charade, which has remained unchanged and only gotten worse for her.
Bernstein said she is worried about her legacy and VP is better than nothin
Yeah, he's one to know something about preserving legacies.
Carl Bernstein just said on CNN that Hilary is going for the VP nomination.
oh god i hope not.
i don't want her to be blamed when the titanic goes down.
Atrios, tell us more about your need to explain your feelings to us.
hah i was watching a programme called Inside the Medieval Mind and it was focusing on the power structure of the Feudal state and later on the disruptions caused by the Black Death and the subsequent peasant revolts
and they read a passage from one of the leaders, a guy called John Ball and he sounded very similar to some of the writings of Karl Marx
in schools when it comes to English history things like the peasant revolts and our revolutionary past is never taught fully or if at all, its all about kings and the elites. Because if they taught that not everyone in English history kowtowed to authority the plebs might get uppity, so better to teach them to doff their caps to their betters
our radical past as largely been whitewashed, which is just appalling
I agree and I hope she loses her Senate seat to a better Democrat as soon as possible.
Stunt Woman | 05.10.08 - 11:17 am | #
The sooner the better. I want the whole DLC wing of the Democratic party sent off to a monastery.
steve hussein simels
I do, too, though it's not my state. I know lots of people are pleased with her as their senator, but I also read she hasn't delivered on a lot of promises she used to court the folks upstate.
My big thing is that Obama wants to mobilize citizens to do more than vote, and that's anathema to the DLC. They want a pliant base that will rally when needed, then will go back to its place peacefully.
.
Barack Obama is Jesus or maybe a distant relative. Mary, mother of Christ, (according to the Christian Bible) is a direct descendant of an African tribe. Mary was not an only child and Christ was not an only child. Where are the descendants now?
have fun out there marcellina!
"better than McCain" is a pretty low standard. HRC would have been agonizing. It would have been to us what Bush was to the neocons - arrogant and unwilling to accept criticism.
Obama is the promise of something different. It's possible to believe he _could_ actually change this country for the better, even for the cynics amongst us.
I would like a nominee I could actually be excited about for a change, instead of a slimeball who just happens to represent the policies I favor that I have to grudgingly vote for.
i don't want her to be blamed when the titanic goes down.
Hmmmm..why are Hillary supporters so negative?
He may not be Jesus, but the white people in Oregon love him:
Flanking Obama were U.S. Reps. Peter DeFazio and David Wu, both Oregon Democrats.
When Obama approached the people ringing the track, their eyes widened, girls shrieked and people nearly trembled. This must have been what the Beatles felt like.
"Have you ever seen anything like this?" Wu asked, shaking his head.
http://blog.oregonlive.com/elect...obamavisit2008/
I really do think that the way history is taught in schools is all about ensuring future plebs don't question authority
teach them about kings, queens and battles but oh no don't mention revolts, protests, rebellions cuz that like would make them all uppity and god forbid the population starts to question authority
http://ap.google.com/article/
ALe...mueV8gD90IQMHO0
good article on Barack
Obama's win is one of the biggest upsets in modern American political history.
Don't you love how if you say one bad thing about Hillary, you're a branded a misogynist? People, it's not Obama's fault she's such a cunt.
Obama is the promise o--
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"Carl Bernstein just said on CNN that Hilary is going for the VP nomination."
she's got a funny way of running for it..
The Courage to Lead [Kathryn Jean Lopez]
From Kansas:
Kansas Gov. Kathleen Sebelius should stop taking Communion until she repudiates her support for the “serious moral evil” of abortion, the Catholic archbishop for northeast Kansas says.
Archbishop Joseph F. Naumann, of the Archdiocese of Kansas City in Kansas, also criticized the governor Friday for her recent veto of a bill imposing new restrictions on abortion providers.
Why was Rudy allowed to hornswoggle the pope? Is it only Dems who are denied Communion?
Obama's win is one of the biggest upsets in modern American political history.
Culture of TrÜth
"Rumble, young man, rumble."
Obama is the promise of something different.
different does not automatically equal better.
good lord, don't they have anything better to spend money on? - Gordon Brown's spending bill on special advisers has reached a record £6.3m, a rise of £400,000 since last July and up more than 40% since 2005.
A leaked Labour party list, passed to the Conservatives, shows the latest increase has been caused by ministers, including the prime minister, recruiting extra advisers. Brown now has 24, and Harriet Harman, the leader of the house, and Des Browne, the defence and Scotland secretary, each have four. There is now a total of 52 special advisers employed by the present government, an increase of two since November with one post for the secretary of state for Wales still vacant.
The most expensive adviser, Stephen Carter, recruited from the lobbying and public relations firm Brunswick, is paid £180,000 a year. Brown moved to beef up the No 10 team at the start of the year in an admission that his former Treasury staff were struggling to keep up with the demands of the workload in his office.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/
politi...n.harrietharman
armenia
i rest my case.
it would be a spiteful thing to do, to start a conflict with Iran and hand it over to the next administration
Moonbootica, Latitude 2008
Gee, ya think?
"Obama's win is one of the biggest upsets in modern American political history."
it really is quite amazing when you step back and think about it in its totality.
I've got a cat that likes sourdough bread...
dave™©
had one that liked watermelon & cantaloupe.
When Obama approached the people ringing the track, their eyes widened, girls shrieked and people nearly trembled. This must have been what the Beatles felt like.
It's dat old Black Magic.
Moon - check out "Liberty against the Law" by Christopher Hill if you have not seen it already.
Hillary is the promise of something broken.
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Why was Rudy allowed to hornswoggle the pope? Is it only Dems who are denied Communion?
Lime Rickey | 05.10.08 - 11:33 am | #
maybe she'll smarten up and abandon that medieval relic.
K-Lo: Getting in the casket with WF Buckley's corpse and sitting on his face while reciting Ayn Rand is also probably grounds for not swallowing the blood and body of christ.
had one that liked watermelon & cantaloupe.
I had some friends whose cat loved baked squash. When they'd go on vacation and I'd feed her, they'd leave a casserole dish of baked squash for me to give her with her regular food. She'd wolf it down first!
different does not automatically equal better.
Where we are, right now, it does.
darn, just missed getting dave's z's. was trying for them. He'd have a great time laughing at all the people up here in Oregon. My home town county of whitey mill workers went ape shit for him yesterday. Must be the good bud up here, eh?
at that point she needed to win about 65% of all remaining pledged delegates. that is extraordinarilly difficult to do, almost impossible, given how delegates are awarded
I remember reading an analysis of the Dem primary prior to the start of same. The point was made that once a candidate opened up a lead, said candidate was pretty much impossible to beat given the delegate division rules.
IIRC, Obama got more delegates in TX due to the dual election/caucus system where he took the caucus part.
armenia, city in the sky
Fuck off, Jack!
she's got a funny way of running for it..
jdw
Could be the idea is to make him chase her till she catches him...
As always, I must request my namestealers use the proper Homepage address.
Thank you in advance for your attention to this matter...
Hillary is the promise of something broken.
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dave™© | Homepage | 05.10.08 - 11:36 am | #
You can sleep through that one, Dave, but it's on the money.
"It's dat old Black Magic."
i'm under no illusion that obama will be anything more then a decent centrist president. what intrigues me most, and where I have most hope for him, is his insistence that if people want change they have to get involved beyond voting every 4 years.
Well, here's a poke at you...
I would like a nominee I could actually be excited about for a change, instead of a slimeball who just happens to represent the policies I favor that I have to grudgingly vote for.
winner | 05.10.08 - 11:32 am | #
I had one of those in my lifetime -- George McGovern -- and I consider myself lucky. I thought Mondale was pretty good, too, but I may be seeing him through senile, forgetful eyes.
As for Jimmy Carter, I refused to vote for him. That bit about originally saying the kids at Kent State got what they deserved kind of stuck in my craw....
I realize he got better, but still.
Hillary and Bill are finally showing their true nature. Arkansas trailer trash is the only real explanation. Running a racist campaign that hasn't been seen since George Wallace. They are exiting from the stage with their white sheets on. Good riddance.
different does not automatically equal better.
"The same" doesn't, either.
No t so. Blogger triumphalism has little relevance to the people who will actually make the decsion. Though I admire the attempts to "create our own reality."
i'm under no illusion that obama will be anything more then a decent centrist president
He'll be better than that.
well, just to annoy commenter "m", I'm off in my mini van to take younger son to a baseball game 25 miles away. Have a great day.
Obama/Schweitzer '08!
Hillary and Bill are finally showing their true nature. Arkansas trailer trash is the only real explanation. Running a racist campaign that hasn't been seen since George Wallace. They are exiting from the stage with their white sheets on. Good riddance.
fy | 05.10.08 - 11:39 am | #
Not nearly as racist as any Republican campaign in history, fy. Nice try, though.
You can sleep through that one, Dave, but it's on the money.
Hillary is the promise of something broken.
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dave™© | Homepage | 05.10.08 - 11:36 am | #
Dude, I love you, but you really need to aim higher where the Dems are concerned.
Where we are, right now, it does.
and where we were in 1999?
what we got in 2000 was way different.
K-Lo: Getting in the casket with WF Buckley's corpse and sitting on his
face while reciting Ayn Rand is also probably grounds for not
swallowing the blood and body of christ.
Thank you. I have now had my RDA of grossness
And as I've mentioned many, many, many times before, I'm voting for the Democratic nominee in November. I really don't care if it's Obama or Clinton. They're both mainstream, centrist Democrats. Neither one is the Messiah, and if you're voting for either one thinking they are, you're an idiot.
i'm fed up with the political choices in Britain today heh
so much so I've largely given up on domestic politics, i really don't give a fuck
darn, just missed getting dave's z's. was trying for them. He'd have a great time laughing at all the people up here in Oregon. My home town county of whitey mill workers went ape shit for him yesterday. Must be the good bud up here, eh?
ErinPDX | 05.10.08 - 11:37 am | #
It's the latte influence from Portland.
We jest a bunch of happy latte drinkers and Revolutionary Black Muslims.
Running a racist campaign that hasn't been seen since George Wallace. They are exiting from the stage with their white sheets on. Good riddance.
fy | 05.10.08 - 11:39 am | #
Oh, please. I'm as pissed off about Hillary's "hardworking white people" crap as anybody here, and I even know you're full of shit.
and where we were in 1999?
We were partying like it was 1999
"IIRC, Obama got more delegates in TX due to the dual election/caucus system where he took the caucus part."
that's correct. and within a week he made up for what he lost in ohio in the WY and MS caucuses.
the obama team just fucking understood the rules..it's all about delegates, delegates, delegates. they are the same whether you get them in red states or blue, in small states or big, or in caucuses or primaries.
otoh, mark penn didn't even know they were awarded proportionally on the dem side. that's a scary level of stupid, and doesn't speak well for the clinton's regard for him.
Hillary and Bill are finally showing their true nature. Arkansas trailer trash is the only real explanation.
Idiot.
Hillary's not from Arkansas.
Idiot.
Neither one is the Messiah, and if you're voting for either one thinking they are, you're an idiot.
Seriously, have you seen anyone here say that either one of them was a 'massiah'?
No, me either.
racymind, back in 99, we all thought we'd have, well, jobs.
fuck knows who will vote for when we have our next general election
they really could do with a none of the above option, cuz thats me these days
they are all a bunch of lying venal authoritarian tossers, and they all need to fuck off and die
HBK - I just listened to the hip-hop violin & am v. glad I did. Kid looks all of 16 & is amazing.
I really don't care if it's Obama or Clinton. They're both mainstream, centrist Democrats. Neither one is the Messiah, and if you're voting for either one thinking they are, you're an idiot.
dave™© | Homepage | 05.10.08 - 11:41 am | #
You don't care if one is slightly left of center mainstream as opposed to slightly right of center mainstream? Seems shortsighted....
And as I've mentioned many, many, many times before...
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Blogger triumphalism has little relevance to the people who will actually make the decsion. Though I admire the attempts to "create our own reality."
do you expect less from the creative class?
"Neither one is the Messiah, and if you're voting for either one thinking they are, you're an idiot."
at last, we agree.
and there's also the cats.........
Not nearly as racist as any Republican campaign in history, fy. Nice try, though.
Crappy try.
Enough of the Great Unhinged!
Hillary and Bill are finally showing their true nature. Arkansas trailer trash is the only real explanation. Running a racist campaign that hasn't been seen since George Wallace. They are exiting from the stage with their white sheets on. Good riddance to their " Vote White campaign" The Clintons have no shame.
and where we were in 1999?
We were partying like it was 1999
racymind | Homepage | 05.10.08 - 11:42 am | #
Whereas in 1984, we were trying to avoid the savage jaws of 1984.
you really need to aim higher where the Dems are concerned.
I have absolutely nothing against Obama or Clinton as the nominee. I'm also not wildly thrilled with either one, nor do I think either one is going to bring about the Revolution.
I'm just fucking tired of people who think either one will.
"Aim higher"? I will NEVER see a viable presidential candidate left enough for me in my lifetime, and I doubt you will, either. That doesn't mean I can't dream, but dreams don't keep the Supreme Court out of the hands of a bunch of right-wing Nazis.
The place to concentrate a higher aim is in the Congress and the Senate.
i'm fed up with the political choices in Britain today heh
It's because the building of the chunnel allowed French humours to infiltrate Albion.
Arkansas trailer trash is the only real explanation.
If you check out trailertrashhotties.com, you'll change your mind.
We were partying like it was 1999
because we could
becuase the future looked great
because we all had jobs
because the economy was in splendid shape
because gas was 99 cents a gallon
because we were at peace
i blame clinton.
mark penn didn't even know they were awarded proportionally on the dem side.
If you believe that, I've got a Plan in Colombia to sell you.
Are the exit polls in Burma (Myanmar) showing electoral strength for Hillary? I know the campaign has put forth every effort to try and get their delegates counted at Denver.
I'm just fucking tired of people who think either one will
i blame clinton.
The number of people threatened with repossession after failing to keep up mortgage payments has risen by 16% over the past year in another sign of the crisis in the property market.
It is the biggest increase in repossession claims since the property crash of the early 1990s.
Amid concern that falling house prices will lead to further problems for homeowners, the government said yesterday it would offer free legal advice to help people keep their homes. The chancellor, Alistair Darling, and the housing minister, Caroline Flint, said they would set up a debt advice service, extra training for local authority staff and free legal representation in English county courts.
The initiative comes as figures from the Ministry of Justice showed that 38,688 mortgage possession claims were made in the first quarter of the year, 7% more than in the last quarter of 2007. They have risen 16% over the past year, the biggest increase since 1991.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/money/
...ssions.property
Roadie! What's on tap at Kopp's today?
Seriously, have you seen anyone here say that either one of them was a 'messiah'?
All the fucking time.
Whatever, kids.
The place to concentrate a higher aim is in the Congress and the Senate.
dave™© | Homepage | 05.10.08 - 11:44 am | #
The fish rots from the head. I agree we need better Dems generally, but we also need a President who will at the least talk like a Dem.
I don't think that's too much to ask, frankly, even at my advanced age....
otoh, mark penn didn't even know they were awarded proportionally on the dem side. that's a scary level of stupid, and doesn't speak well for the clinton's regard for him.
Penn's a rich republic, no? Hillary was raised a republic and converted during Viet Nam. One of her problems was that she has always been a republic at heart.
She was totally loyal to Penn by all accounts, but I wouldn't have trusted the sorry son of a bitch as far as I could have thrown him.
Are the exit polls in Burma (Myanmar) showing electoral strength for Hillary? I know the campaign has put forth every effort to try and get their delegates counted at Denver.
d00d, the junta's meeting here in St. Paul this summer.
All the fucking time.
Whatever, kids.
dave™© | Homepage | 05.10.08 - 11:46 am | #
Only the trolls.
Moonbo, on my mortgage statement, it used to have numbers for customer service and insurance inquiries.
Now a new number has been added for payment arrangements. That wasn't there six months ago.
All the fucking time.
Bullshit.
Seriously.
Glad you liked it Willendorf Venus.
And fy is back!
Oh....uh....joy....
via Juan Cole:
that the shedding of blood by the Occupation forces through air strikes on the people must cease. He said it was bizarre that these air strikes should take place with the acquiescence of Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki. "This is something that never was done by any dictator in the world."
they are war criminals.
Roadie! What's on tap at Kopp's today?
Sallyh, Grandmere Poissonniere
Hey Sallyh! Two of their classics - burgundy cherry and caramel cashew!
"Aim higher"? I will NEVER see a viable presidential candidate left enough for me in my lifetime, and I doubt you will, either. "
we agree again. damn.
And fy is back!
Oh....uh....joy....
HoneyBearKelly?GoGiants |
Fortunately he's only capable of one thought per month.
dreams don't keep the Supreme Court out of the hands of a bunch of right-wing Nazis.
dave™© | Homepage | 05.10.08 - 11:44 am | #
Oh, and BTW -- how much don't I trust Hillary? I think if push comes to shove she's not got going to nominate reliably liberal justices or work hard to get them confirmed. That's how much.
So I don't want to hear that both Hillary and Obama are acceptable....
Roadie, I'll take both!
Only the trolls.
you need to get out more, ron.
Jesus is just alright with me....
fy | 05.10.08 - 11:39 am
Oh, holy crap...
ronjazz, and, he can be killfiled easily.
All the fucking time.
Whatever, kids.
dave™© | Homepage | 05.10.08 - 11:46 am | #
I must have missed something.
Hizbullah announced today that it would withdraw its forces from west Beirut after a request from the army for the Shia group to end its stranglehold the city.
The announcement came after the Lebanese prime minister made his first statement since fighting began earlier in the week. In a televised address filmed at the government's headquarters that he and other cabinet ministers had been unable to leave for days, Fuad Siniora called Beirut "occupied' and "besieged" and branded Hizbollah's violent seizure of the west of the capital city, an "armed coup".
He also signalled a compromise, however, by saying that he would be happy to hand over mediation on the telecommunications issue that sparked the fighting to the army.
Issuing a statement shortly after the prime minister spoke, the Lebanese army accepted the role offered them by Siniora. It also announced that the airport security chief, whose sacking at the beginning of the week also had some part in precipitating the crisis, would be reinstated. He was dismissed when Hizbullah surveillance cameras were found at Beirut airport. In return, the army called for Hizbullah forces to withdraw.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/.../may/10/
lebanon
Jesus is just alright with me....
James White & the Blacks | Homepage | 05.10.08 - 11:50 am | #
You know, you were really good. Are your old albums on CD? If so, drop me a line at the homepage....
Steve, don't feel bad--I miss everything.
"All the fucking time.
Whatever, kids."
it's a two way street. yes, i've seen them, but choose to be grateful for their enthusiasm, which i count as BETTER then not giving a shit.
this condescending tone from 'elders' who know better really sucks. just sayin'.
jdw, I think one of the valuable aspects of this tavern is that people do debate and do care.
We're not a lockstep bunch--trying to get liberals to line up is a lot like herding cats. I consider that positive.
...we also need a President who will at the least talk like a Dem.
I think they'd both "talk" like that. But based on the way he keeps rolling over and playing dead whenever a "controversy" hits his campaign, I don't have much faith that Obama would, at least in the beginning, follow through. And I have a whole lot of suspicions regarding who he'd appoint to the SCOTUS, and a lot less about Clinton in that regard.
But really - what Democratic presidential nominee have I ever whole-heartedly supported with absolutely no caveats since I became of voting age? None. The Dem's better than the alternative, that's my story, and I'm sticking to it.
Hey Fteve Huffein Fimelf!
Did you catch my late update from yesterday - soul/blues veteran BETTY HARRIS will be on my radio show (via telephone) next Saturday eveing!!!
Let the rare 45 excavation begin!!
I agree we need better Dems generally, but we also need a President who will at the least talk like a Dem.
I don't think that's too much to ask, frankly, even at my advanced age....
steve hussein simels |
I agree with that old guy.
you need to get out more, ron.
Some people act like Obama can walk on water, some people act like Hillary is the Queen of the Universe who's being cruelly deprived of her throne.
So let's concentrate on normal people, how 'bout it?
Maybe?
Hey, Steverino, speaking of obscure groups - ever heard of Black Randy and the Metro Squad?
Virgotex, how are you?
Blogger triumphalism has little relevance to the people who will actually make the decsion. Though I admire the attempts to "create our own reality."
do you expect less from the creative class?
Henry Flower | Homepage | 05.10.08 - 11:43 am | #
Why don't the two of you just join the republican party and you can be rid of all the blacks and latte drinking liberals?
T4TN, I'm not looking for salvation in our next president. I just want massive improvement.
the main problem i have with it is that a true believer is a true believer is a true believer
Eric Hoffer, bitches.
I agree with Simels' last post.
When I saw Hillary pretending to be a gun nut, that little bit of posturing was the last straw -- well, until her remark about WORKING white people. How soon before she starts clearing brush?
how much don't I trust Hillary? I think if push comes to shove she's not got going to nominate reliably liberal justices or work hard to get them confirmed. That's how much.
Well, it is Saturday...
Morning, sallyh. I'm rather refreshed- after arising at the crack of dawn to feed dogs, I went back to sleep and woke up about 20 minutes ago. A luxury around my place.
What really needs to happen is that the Democrats have to get new leadership in the congress and the senate.
Pelosi and Reid have proven to be less than useless.
Pelosi can't get the 47 Blue Dog dems in congress to vote for the new G.I. bill because it's not offset by spending cuts or whatever. Meanwhile they're ready, willing and enthusiastic to give Cuckoo whatever he wants to keep this insanity in Iraq going even though we have to borrow every penny from China.
Nancy you've had your chance. You failed.
Reid couldn't stop 2 of the most heinous jurists in the country from getting on the Supreme Court.
Harry you've also had your chance. You failed.
In the last 40 years, part of the issue about who a dem appoints to the supreme court has to do with the composition of the senate.
who can they get through.
that was true when LBJ abandoned Fortas and it is true now.
what is INFURIATING is that except in the Nixon era (and the brief toughness around Bork) Dems basically go rub-my-tummy on whomever the gooper chief proposes. You can bet that the goopers will use the filibuster and the philly steak to stop any dem nominee.
Ba'al, your Highness. How go the travails of academic life for you?
What really needs to happen is that the Democrats have to get new leadership in the congress and the senate.
DING DING DING DING DING!
Seriously, have you seen anyone here say that either one of them was a 'messiah'?
We've had a fair amount of stuff from Obama supporters that pushes that kind of angle. Vote for Obama, and all these amazing things are going to happen, as if he was the ultimate progressive, and not the centrist that he really is.
Pelosi can't get the 47 Blue Dog dems in congress to vote for the new G.I. bill because it's not offset by spending cuts or whatever. Meanwhile they're ready, willing and enthusiastic to give Cuckoo whatever he wants to keep this insanity in Iraq going even though we have to borrow every penny from China.
That Blue Dog logic is solid ain't it, amiga?
we got rid of Blair and ended up with Brown, who is just as terrible as PM as Blair was but in a different way
I really do think he is going to have a total nervous breakdown soon as the job pressure gets to him, he simply is not used to it, he's used to hiding in his cave when he was Chancellor and finds being out in public very awkward
when your Chancellor you have one single issue generally to deal with at a time but when your PM you have multiple responsibilities plus Brown loves to micromanage, which is fucking annoying
Hey, Steverino, speaking of obscure groups - ever heard of Black Randy and the Metro Squad?
dave™© | Homepage | 05.10.08 - 11:54 am | #
Nope. Should I?
And BTW -- I have just as many problems with Obama rolling over in the face of controversy (which has frankly sickened me) but when push comes to shove I think he has way more core principles than Hill. If it comes to the Supreme Court, I think she'll progressives out so fast your head will spin. Obama, I at least have hope.
In any case, if push comes to shove, I'm voting for the Democrat who didn't refer to "hard-working white people." I'm sorry, that's code and we know what it means. It's disgusting.
IFC just had a brief commercial about a new portishead recording... interesting
I hate that phrase "trailer trash" as much as any other racial/cultural/ethnic slur. I know wonderful people who live in trailers, absolute shits who live in fancy digs. Phases like that are ignorant, harmful and meaningless.
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Sorry for the two "push comes to shove" in the same post.
I regret the error.
what's in yer coffee this a.m., miz racy?
mark penn didn't even know they were awarded proportionally on the dem side.
If you believe that, I've got a Plan in Colombia to sell you.
Sheesh
Oh, fer crapsake. Goooooooogle "penn proportional", 153000 hits. Read 'em & weep...
how about "cheap christmas trash"
htip to beth henley.
I'm just relieved that since 1988, there will actually be a chief executive not named clinton and not named bush.
Enough already.
Sally
I turned down an offer of a position as a Dean that would have paid 100K more per year than I make now (although my home institution made up for a bit of it . I like warm weather, I guess. I am submitting gazillions of grants. I have no confidence in any of the people running my university. have good people working in my lab. I am patient like a zen master.
We've had a fair amount of stuff from Obama supporters that pushes that kind of angle. Vote for Obama, and all these amazing things are going to happen, as if he was the ultimate progressive, and not the centrist that he really is.
I think that most people here are intelligent enough to know that he's not the "ultimate progressive", nor a flaming centrist. I think he's left-of-center on a lot of issues.
But, people aren't gonna let facts get in the way of a good flame war, no matter what.
Sallyh..
I'm not looking for salvation in our next president. I just want massive improvement.
Exactly, thank you. And copying RW methods with negative campaigning doesn't seem like a great start toward achieving that change.
I respect what Hillary's done with her life but I wish she'd realize this. It's going to be hard enough to get things done without all this pouting and infighting.
I killed the last shot of Kahlua
I want Russ Feingold and (why the fuck not) Barney Frank.
racymind I've heard nothing but good thing about the new Portishead.
Why don't the two of you just join the republican party and you can be rid of all the blacks and latte drinking liberals?
believe it or not, rootless, i am actually a card carrying, degree awarded member of the creative class.
my main problem with all of this is that while i love creative class ideas, like putting sculpture parks up around decaying neighborhoods, i actually know the work involved with building the sculpture. ( i have two public artworks up in Dallas, where I live. )
getting your hands dirty (literally) and doing the heavy lifting yourself has a way of wedding you to reality.
with the way things are going and with Labour looking fatigued, the Tories may very well clinch victory at the next election
NuLab is dead, its passed its sell by date, its proven to be shallow and with a non existent base
its promised much but delievered fuck all, a crappy merging of social democratic principles and the 'free market', creating a fantasy which is now coming to a end
we are in a less equal society even more now and i mean fuck the Leader of the Tories is an Old Etonian as is the new Mayor of London
I hate to say this and I don't think it's necessarily reason 1 why she stays but I don't doubt for a moment the thought hasn't crossed here mind.
Clinton will stay in the race, on an official if only soon to be technical basis. This is because if Obama were to become 'incapacitated' she can step in.
IFC just had a brief commercial about a new portishead recording... interesting
racymind | Homepage | 05.10.08 - 11:59 am | #
Ever see MOJO magazine? They had a great piece on Portishead in the April issue. In which the guitarist says of of Amy Winehouse's producer -- "Mark Ronson is to soul music what Shakin' Stevens is to rock 'n' roll."
Heh....
Nope. Should I?
They were around Noo Yawk about the same time as James Black. Had one record out with a great cover of "Theme from Shaft".
Pelosi can't get the 47 Blue Dog dems in congress to vote for the new G.I. bill because it's not offset by spending cuts or whatever. Meanwhile they're ready, willing and enthusiastic to give Cuckoo whatever he wants to keep this insanity in Iraq going even though we have to borrow every penny from China.
If they really want to win their war for control of ME oil, you'd think they'd at least provide enough enticements to get the enlistees they need to fight it.
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hah when the revolution comes, the chattering classes will be the first up against the wall
what really have they contributed? they live on the backs of others and blathering hot air
believe it or not, rootless, i am actually a card carrying, degree awarded member of the creative class.
Oh I believe it. The tone of offended privilege is hard to counterfeit.
I'm just relieved that since 1988, there will actually be a chief executive not named clinton and not named bush.
so hillary gets punished because you are tired of last names.
OH-kay!
I think that most people here are intelligent enough to know that he's not the "ultimate progressive"
Unfortunately, that doesn't stop the more vocal supporters from pushing that bullshit, which is the bloody point.
Clinton will stay in the race, on an official if only soon to be technical basis. This is because if Obama were to become 'incapacitated' she can step in.
rapier | 05.10.08 - 12:02 pm | #
Rachel Maddow made the point yesterday.
Hillary is running for Understudy.
I hate that phrase "trailer trash" as much as any other racial/cultural/ethnic slur. I know wonderful people who live in trailers, absolute shits who live in fancy digs. Phases like that are ignorant, harmful and meaningless.
Hear, hear!
I'm Southern - I loathe it.
Ba'al, confidence in those in charge?
We've got a chancellor, Charles Reed, whose previous experience was operating the for-profit Phoenix University--in Florida. He thinks we, a state university, should operate on the same principles.
He's also indicated that he's looking for a 'more accomplished' student body. Translation: get more white kids in here.
Oh I believe it. The tone of offended privilege is hard to counterfeit.
as is the raising of tons of steel in a stable configuration over one's head.
but you overlook that part.
I like Ted Kennedy and always have but he's wrong about needing a leader who inspires as VP. We need someone who can make things work while Obama is out inspiring the people. Seriously.
so hillary gets punished because you are tired of last names.
Nice try. Hillary ran a spectacularly shitty campaign. She didn't need my help.
Hillary is running for Understudy.
My seatbelt is buckled....
as is the raising of tons of steel in a stable configuration over one's head.
but you overlook that part.
Henry Flower | Homepage | 05.10.08 - 12:04 pm | #
You lift them by hand?
She didn't need my help.
just took you at your word.
Off to do stuff.
It looks like a really nice spring day in Gotham.
Enjoy your day.
Unfortunately, that doesn't stop the more vocal supporters from pushing that bullshit, which is the bloody point.
No, that's not the point. The assumption is that everyone thinks he's a 'messiah', which is patently false. So long as folks are making these BS claims about other supporters, people are gonna run with that and paint a broad brush.
But like I said, don't let the facts get in the way of a good story.
Ours waltzed in and announced to everyone that we would double our external funding in 5 years, and now has decided that this can be done without any investment at all. And my VP for Research says it can all be done if we do magical cluster hiring. After all, sharing a setup package among 4 people really is the best way to recruit talented young people isn't it?
"I think that most people here are intelligent enough to know that he's not the "ultimate progressive", nor a flaming centrist. I think he's left-of-center on a lot of issues."
yeah, that's pretty obvious. what's fascinating to me is that view is shared by the vast majority of his young supporters. that is to say, they aren't as naive as a group as some people would like to think.
i saw obama live at two very venues, and in both of them the biggest applause lines were his proposal for college tuition in return for community service and his call for a return to a respect for the consitution.
this is hardly pandering to the youth vote..
when push comes to shove I think he has way more core principles than Hill. If it comes to the Supreme Court, I think she'll progressives out so fast your head will spin. Obama, I at least have hope.
Well, I'm the exact opposite on that. Esp. given his embrace of certain homophobic religious types.
But I'm more than happy to argue over which Dem is going to be the better president. Because there WILL be a Dem president come January '09...
I wish I had some kalua for my coffee. I have some bourbon, but I dont want to start drinking before 9am.
Shoot, Kill, Lie, Repeat: America's New Moral Universe
Translation: get more white kids in here.
heh. at my place, we're trying our damnedest to qualify as an HSI.
so hillary gets punished because you are tired of last names.
I took it as being tired of people named Bush and Clinton.
Don't a lot of people feel that way?
Anti Obama types takes great pains to point out that he is not the Messiah.
Yes, it is true, he is not, in fact, the Lord Alimighty made flesh to walk among us.
In which the guitarist says of of Amy Winehouse's producer -- "Mark Ronson is to soul music what Shakin' Stevens is to rock 'n' roll."
Heh....
steve hussein simels
That's off... just a little
Ba'al, Christ on a rubber chicken. Who ARE these people???
Peterboy, it's 9.02 a.m.
Get moving.
You lift them by hand?
some components, yes, i did but you usually life beams with a crane.
they don't lift themselves.
it'sa little different from running photoshop, although i can do that too.
and paint.
and edit tape.
and teach.
what do you do?
massive shift in superdelegates which would likewise be problematic,
this is incorrect. The sole reason for superdelegates, their raison d'etre is to prevent democrats nominating a candidate that is unelectable, one that was able to game the crappy primary process in order to take the nomination, but is not the persuasive or "best" for the GE (which is pretty close to where are). So the superdelgates need to DO THEIR JOB and examine electability in the GE and make their decisions accordingly.
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http://channel.nationalgeographi...Videos/
05279_00
we talked about this wildlife video yet today. immortal stuff.
i think that the widespread impression that Hillary is more of a down to earth administrator and Obama is some inspiring preacher derive from standard racial and class stereotypes. Hillary looks and sounds like an executive, and her reliance on people like Penn and inability to listen to people like CodePink shows that she is, in many ways, a classical corporate executive.
ruh-roh, I've hit upon another gigantic rock.
Gotta go do things.
Catch you patriotz laterz.
then again McCain could win in Nov despite the Dems best efforts
or at least thats what my dad opines, that all this hullballo over Obama and Clintion won't amount to much when they lose in Nov
i have really low expectations when it comes to people voting
people can react badly to change, in whatever form it takes
Don't a lot of people feel that way?
you may be right.
i don't think it's a terribly good way of evaluating a candidate myself.
Ours waltzed in and announced to everyone that we would double our external funding in 5 years, and now has decided that this can be done without any investment at all
lot of that going on in my neighborhood too. (I'm research admin staff).
Double research! Buy lots of new prestigious scholars. But for gods sake, let's not spend a dime on the infrastructure that keeps it rolling.
I'm not trying to create my a reality. I'm trying to deal with the one I've got.
I'm planning a Road Trip to Philly. Looking for suggestions as to where to go, what to see, cool places to stay, etc. Would deeply appreciate any suggestions y'all might have.
Driveby on way to Mom's day lunch with Mom.
The worst WH ever wants victims kept out of court, at
http://cabdrollery.blogspot.com
OT but the other morning I click over to Eschaton like I do EVERY morning even though I hardly post anymore because the Borg are getting even more borg-like...
and I get the BIG RED "THIS SITE HAS BEEN BLOCKED" blah blah blah.
I'm really starting to hate work.
TV! Good to see you! Hope things are looking up for you.
No, that's not the point. The assumption is that everyone thinks he's a 'messiah', which is patently false
Who said "everyone"?
The point is that some very vocal people have been claiming that he is the greatest new thing since sliced bread, he's going to change everything in Washington, etc., etc..
Bullshit.
He is a centrist, not very different from Clinton. They both campaigned for Lieberman, for fuck sakes.
think that the widespread impression that Hillary is more of a down to earth administrator and Obama is some inspiring preacher derive from standard racial and class stereotypes.
and i think it derives from what they have done.
SallyH,
thanks for the help, but I have the pre-school beer blast at noon.
AND WHERE THE HELL IS MY GRAVATAR?
The sole reason for superdelegates, their raison d'etre is to prevent democrats nominating a candidate that is unelectable
er, nope. You can keep repeating that, but it doesn't make it true. Wiki:
After the 1968 Democratic National Convention, the Democratic Party made changes in its delegate selection process, based on the work of the McGovern-Fraser Commission. The purpose of the changes was to make the composition of the convention less subject to control by party leaders and more responsive to the votes cast during the campaign for the nomination.
Double research they say. Be bloody happy if in the next five years of external grants at your campus drops by only 25%. It doesn't pay to say that too loud, but university presidents and VPs comprise their own special form of "village" divorced from reality.
Obama went 50 state with his campaign, and still has over 10 million in the bank.
Hillary went DLC states only, and is in hock to everyone.
She's still running a 1992 campaign.
Peterboy, I hope you'll contribute generously
The assumption is that everyone thinks he's a 'messiah', which is patently false.
There's a hardcore group that does feel that way. It's small here, but has definitely overwhelmed Orange Satan.
Yes, there's also a whole bunch of batshit insane Hitlery blogs too, but I never really read those sites in the first place.
He is a centrist, not very different from Clinton. They both campaigned for Lieberman, for fuck sakes.
That's become the litmus test now?
Jeebus, talk to Al Gore.
"Esp. given his embrace of certain homophobic religious types."
c'mon. another guilt by tenuous association. have you seen him use homophobia as a club? do you really believe in your heart that he's homophobic?
maybe i'm not very tuned into this stuff, but i'd think that if it was even remotely a possibility the people at americablog would be all over him.
Hi, Sallyh! Yeah, I haven't been around much lately. New job is kicking my ass, especially with the CFS and having been off for so long. It's hard work, but they pay me well and are decent people. Hope things are looking up for you as well. ((hug))
I have just as many problems with Obama rolling over in the face of controversy (which has frankly sickened me)
Color me (something pejorative), but I thought that the Rev Wright/Philly race speech was good. What's the controversy that sickens you? He sure ain't perfect, but what am I missing that made you ill?
Double research they say. Be bloody happy if in the next five years of
external grants at your campus drops by only 25%. It doesn't pay to say
that too loud, but university presidents and VPs comprise their own
special form of "village" divorced from reality.
Certainly they're not amenable to input from, you know, the people who actually do the work.
Lebanese Army caves in to Hezbollians
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world...ast/
7393982.stm
and i think it derives from what they have done.
Henry Flower | Homepage | 05.10.08 - 12:11 pm | #
So you think she's shown great administrative abilities in this campaign and Obama has shown a lack of organizational effectiveness?
Atrios, you've done a decent job hiding your Obamamania and your Clinton hating bias, but don't fool yourself, both have been evident all along.
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I've expressed various doubts about Obama early on but he's won me over. Do I think he's going to deliver this "change" he keeps talking about? No, but I think he can win and that means some incremental steps away from the horrors of Bushism. More than McCain and Clinton anyway.
TV, things are pretty good. Mlle seems to be coming around. Ex SIL being a bit of a dick about letting us see Maddy, but he did come to us for a day care check yesterday, so I think he'd be wise to mellow out on that score. Monsieur is doing well.
I need a break. Later.
bye for now
Gnaw on mah kittehs.
Re-HICA!
Okay, the local Target had but ONE Motorola i425 phone, so I need to go usurp the other local Targets.
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You were always an Obama shill. Quit bullshitting, DorkBoy.
Atrios, you've done a decent job hiding your Obamamania and your Clinton hating bias, but don't fool yourself, both have been evident all along.
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pluege | 05.10.08 - 12:15 pm | #
Not so.
I find many parallels between Obama and bush. If he becomes POTUS, 4 years hence he will have few fans in the left blogopshere.
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i don't think it's a terribly good way of evaluating a candidate myself.
I don't think it's meant as literally as you're taking it.
Hill and Bill's recent actions and words have made a lot of former supporters and admirers rethink their opinions. It's not just the two of them, either - it's their circle. They seem too much like the same old. They're not Bush made-over, but quite uncomfortably close at times.
She won my respect and then lost a lot of it. I'd vote for her in the general over McCain but she's done a lot of damage over the last few months, since SC. I wish her supporters would stop being mad at those of us who notice that.
Jeffraham, lovely kittehs!!!
But I'm more than happy to argue over which Dem is going to be the better president. Because there WILL be a Dem president come January '09...
dave™© | Homepage | 05.10.08 - 12:06 pm | #
AGreed. The question is whether he or she will be willing to go the distance to reverse the damage of the last eight years. Because this is probably the last chance the country has. And right now, while neither of them strikes me as the right person for the job, alas, I think she's already way too compromised to come through and surprise me.
IMHO.
Certainly they're not amenable to input from, you know, the people who actually do the work.
Sallyh, Grandmere Poissonniere | 05.10.08 - 12:14 pm | #
just before i walked out of the U. we had a meeting where the Prez explained that we needed to bring in a lot more money. I asked "What's my motivation in this deal? " and got the most goggle eyed look of astonishment, as if i'd started speaking summerian with an irish brogue.
There's a hardcore group that does feel that way. It's small here, but has definitely overwhelmed Orange Satan.
On the last primary day, they had an online poll asking who are you going to vote for. 4% said Clinton. They've certainly done an extremely effective job driving the opposition off the site.
If I went over there and wrote a diary accusing the Clinton campaign of some obviously bogus conspiracy, the odds of it getting recommended are 99%.
I find many parallels between Obama and bush.
:laugh:
You were always an Obama shill. Quit bullshitting, DorkBoy.
Yasmina Reza | 05.10.08 - 12:17 pm | #
Liar. Idiot. Asshole.
That's you. Triple threat loser.
He is a centrist, not very different from Clinton. They both campaigned for Lieberman, for fuck sakes.
Richard
Obama supported Lamont in the general.
Atrios, you've done a decent job hiding your Obamamania and your Clinton hating bias, but don't fool yourself, both have been evident all along.
Who opened the bat cage?
I find many parallels between Obama and bush.
I doubt either of the obama girls is going to marry a gooper.
That's good news, Sallyh. Having dealt with far too many addiction situations in my life, I know all too well how hard it can be on all involved. I really hope she's able to kick it.
I'm with Sir Foxbat on Obama. I had my doubts, but he's impressed me enough to win my support. For a cynical old dirty fucking hippy, that's quite an accomplishment. I don't think he's the Messiah, but I do think he's better than "good enough."
I think this is a good time to prepare my last final. Later
"I find many parallels between Obama and bush. If he becomes POTUS, 4 years hence he will have few fans in the left blogopshere."
we could nominate kucinich and in 4 years the liberal bogosphere would hate him. nature of the beast...
I liked Edwards best, but he flamed out badly. Part of the test, I suppose. I always liked Chris Dodd, but knew he had no chance. Obama seemed ok, I wasn't paying much attention. I did not personally become anti-Clinton until about January or February, when I came to realize that in terms of habits of mind, sense of entitlement, and approach to campaigning she has more in common with McCain than any other candidate. Obama, however, became more appealing the more I saw him.
I did not ever want this to happen. But I have come to truly loathe Hillary Clinton.
Obama supported Lamont in the general.
So did Clinton.
And right now, while neither of them strikes me as the right person for the job, alas, I think she's already way too compromised to come through and surprise me.
IMHO.
steve hussein simels
And you just can't tell how a person will act once in office. Nixon appointed Justice Powell backfired big time on him.
I just think Obama is the better wager to get separation from DC bidness as usual.
The purpose of the changes was to make the composition of the convention less subject to control by party leaders and more responsive to the votes cast during the campaign for the nomination.
Moe Szyslak, cold
JMM;
"Coming out of the 1970s, the Democratic party establishment created the superdelegates precisely to put a brake on the power of "the groups", which was shorthand for, and not necessarily in this order, the hippies, the blacks, the gays, the feminists, the environmentalists and everyone else suspected of driving the Democratic party to the left of the American mainstream and out of contention in national elections."
Josh oughtta go edit that wiki...
oh goody there it is. a big pitcher of kookaid
thanks for handing the presidency to John McCain
Atrios, you've done a decent job hiding your Obamamania and your Clinton hating bias, but don't fool yourself, both have been evident all along.
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What does the phrase "Clinton hating bias" actually? That you're one of those wingnuts who think she killed Vince Foster and that she's a communist harpy who's going to take your guns and make everybody gay?
Because if not, I think what you're actually talking about is disliking her stands on the issues and the conduct of the campaign.
You know -- normal political disagreements.
I find many parallels between Obama and bush.
One is almost tempted to ask about this howler.
o, ps rootless
i have also earned a bsn on top of my bfa and mfa. i worked as a critical care nurse for twenty years before returning to art school in my 40s. for the fiorst several years i worked as a cdcrn, i earned six dollars an hour. eventually i got an enormous raise to 11.25 an hour, which was my top pay rate. i retired before nursing salaries became reasonable.
i nursed dying people, got covered in ther blood and feces, did my best to salvage whatever parts of their lives i could. i mainly worked in county or teaching hospitals. my patients were mainly medically indigent.
on my days off i worked in a free clinic.
let me hasten to add, rootless, that no one paid for my education but me. my parents had seven kids. my father was a printer and my mother was a stay at home mom. they gave me bupkis as far as any education was concerned.
i earned it all myself.
no one has given me anything.
if i sound privileged, it is a privilege i have earned, and have tried my best to use for the sake of other people's lives.
Not so.
ronjazz | 05.10.08 - 12:17 pm | #
you shouldn't project your blindness and idolatry onto others.
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"On the last primary day, they had an online poll asking who are you going to vote for. 4% said Clinton. They've certainly done an extremely effective job driving the opposition off the site."
nature of the beast. people get banned at mydd(myhillary) for being anti-clinton. think an obama supporter would last long at hillaryis44.com?
you shouldn't project your blindness and idolatry onto others.
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zoot | 05.10.08 - 12:22 pm | #
i'm not. You're the fuckwitted blind adolator.
I find many parallels between Obama and bush.
One is almost tempted to ask about this howler.
T4TN
Bush, too, grew up the poor son of a mixed race marriage.
All the fucking time.
Whatever, kids.
Wahtever.
I just think Obama is the better wager to get separation from DC bidness as usual.
MP | 05.10.08 - 12:21 pm | #
I think that's the smart bet as well...
off to fight for clean air at a community meeting, then the pre-school beer blast.
god bless beer. By the way, I dont buy imported anymore--who needs more pollution from ships--and it is something that is till made and made well in America.
as much as i like boddington's etc.
off to a community meetting to fight for clean air....
(better syntax)
"Josh oughtta go edit that wiki..."
...just like democrats to make up rules no one can understand for reasons that no one can decipher.
thanks for handing the presidency to John McCain
Thank you verrrrry much the GO | 05.10.08 - 12:22 pm | #
the old coot will drop it anyway. We won't see a Republican president agains for several decades.
While I don't loathe Hilary, Ba'al nailed it. Her campaign really turned me off.
then the pre-school beer blast.
Why are preschoolers having a beer blast?
"people get banned at mydd(myhillary) for being anti-clinton"
My comments at Talk Left inevitably get removed as trolling of some sort.
By the way, I dont buy imported anymore--who needs more pollution from ships--and it is something that is till made and made well in America.
You can make it right in your kitchen!
Barack Obama is Jesus
And John McCain will not be the Satan party candidate in November despite clinching the nomination.
Nearly everybody who has run against Obama in past elections has fallen apart or cratered by the time election day rolled around. Johnny will, too.
Pong time. My USA table tennis rating is approaching 2100. Sanity.
Nearly everybody who has run against Obama in past elections has fallen apart or cratered by the time election day rolled around. Johnny will, too.
latte | 05.10.08 - 12:27 pm | #
he already has, he's just to fucking senile to know it.
I just think Obama is the better wager to get separation from DC bidness as usual.
The odds are better, but not by much.
"My comments at Talk Left inevitably get removed as trolling of some sort."
there ya go. i wasn't hanging much at kos at the time, but my impression was that the early favorite was edwards.
the reason dkos is mostly obama is the same reason that moveon endorsed and obama won the caucuses and Hillary complained about the activists.
The grass roots democrats, by and large, jumped at an opportunity to support an end of DLC governance.
Terry Macaulif was detested at DKos well before Obama declared.
you shouldn't project your blindness and idolatry on others.
Any what is wrong with idolatry? I, Ba'al, demand it! Such a pleasing aroma!
if i sound privileged, it is a privilege i have earned, and have tried my best to use for the sake of other people's lives.
Henry Flower
Glad to hear it... thanks for flaunting your service to others.
Methinks you are going a little overboard. What does all the selfless nursing have to do with things here? Help me out... did I miss something?
Her campaign really turned me off.
ah, yes, because the ge is going to be all sweetness and light.
we need a kinder, gentle candidate. yes, we do.
you know, i am actually feeling a bit pissed off at the moment, so i think i am going to leave now.
i don't like posting when i am angry. it isn't really productive.
Do they still call sheets around here?
S H E E T S
well, gotta go work. it's been fun and pleasant today.
later..
Henry Flower - i don't care.
It is beginning to be a Crescendo Effect.
First WP columnist Eugene Robinson with is column titled "The Card Clinton Is Playing" and now, NYT columnist Bob Herbert with his column, The Seeds of Destruction and what Herbert says is general right.
The Clinton's entered the Whitehouse very different people than when they left it. It's the way they left it and the way they acted ever since then tht people are remembering. I can certainly see why the papers are reporting that Clinton changes her tone cause she step on a lot of toes with her last race card baiting trick, but isn't that Hillary as usually - Can't wait for MoDo's column, because sometimes she good for what ails you.
C"linton hating bias".
...means that Atrios not liking HRC was evident in his writing more than a year ago.
Personally I find a lot to not like about HRC policies (I wanted Edwards), but I am ashamed of my country the way Clinton - a bright, energetic, devoted-to-public service for her whole life person, has been attacked for 20 years on a personal level rather than a policy level. This includes this year as well and what has been particularly galling has been the irrational hating and viciousness on the so-called "left".
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Yo, Flower Pot, I'm not looking for sweetness and light, I meant that she ran a STUPID campaign...she BLEW IT.
nice try though.
I'm just relieved that since 1988, there will actually be a chief executive not named clinton and not named bush.
The last election in which there was not a Bush or Clinton on at least one ticket was 1976.
The odds are better, but not by much.
Yeah, there's the hope, and there's the system. As some pundit put it, the winning supporters may have a lot of broken hearts, too.
Obama isn't the anti-pol of all time but he doesn't insult my intelligence like Hillary does so often. So he's got my vote. There's more to it, but that's the bottom line.
Obama supported Lamont in the general.
So did Clinton.
Richard
True enough. And in 2008 Lamont is supporting Obama.
http://tinyurl.com/4hakky
Henry Flower - i don't care.
rootless-e
that's obvious.
"people get banned at mydd(myhillary) for being anti-clinton"
My comments at Talk Left inevitably get removed as trolling of some sort.
I don't visit those blogs. Are there "Obama is an evil monster!" , and "Obama is conspiring to steal votes and the nomination!" type posts?
bye for now, for real.
This includes this year as well and what has been particularly galling has been the irrational hating and viciousness on the so-called "left".
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zoot | 05.10.08 - 12:31 pm | #
Boo-hoo-hoo. She ran a suckass campaign. Just for idiots like you. And the 20-year-public service tripe is bullshit, through and through.
New sheets.
People state quietly and simply what Hillary did wrong, and Hillary people always get sensitive.
Geezus. Put some responsibility on her, please. And drop the sarcasm.
Boo-hoo-hoo. She ran a suckass campaign. Just for idiots like you. And the 20-year-public service tripe is bullshit, through and through.
ronjazz | 05.10.08 - 12:33 pm | #
And yet almost exactly as many people voted for her. Doesn't speak too highly of your candidate. Does it.
I would hope the party takes total control over things like debates next time around. If the MSM whines and complains about is, all ya gotta say is, "well, we let YOU PEOPLE control the debates last time, and we got George S. asking stupid questions about flag pins." Say that on CNN (and 2012's version of YouTube) enough times, and believe me, they'll shut the fuck up.
Barack Obama doesn't appeal to this "regular American" because he is silent on women's issues and has even participated in the misogynist gang-up on Hillary. (Waits for the "but she's RACIST!" comments)
Pulling the lever for Obama in November will be exactly like pulling the lever for every other man I've ever voted for. You don't get it if you don't see how disenfranchised a HUGE number of women feel.
Democracy doesn't work because we always pick the best person; it works partly because a lot of times we agree to respect somebody else's choice. We agree to do that, in this country, even though sometimes the opponent seems so clearly the wrong one. We don't call each other stupid, or shut off the opponent's discourse because we are tired of it. The writers on these progressive blogs had and have so much in common and really need to hold onto that; it's valuable. And people who have lived through maybe several painful losses in presidential campaigns, can get to a point where they just want to split. But those people are valuable, and should be listened to. No one who is offering their earnest thoughts and efforts should be discarded, ever. Especially after all that's happened in these last few years.
and has even participated in the misogynist gang-up on Hillary.
In what way did he do this?
I agree he has not done nearly enough to show support for womens' rights (like voting "present" on some bills in Illinois). But barring some incredible turn of events, Obama is going to be the nominee.
And at that point, it's going to be a choice between:
1) Obama, who at least won't do any harm, who I fully expect will nominate the right kind of judges, or
2) McCain, who has announced his intention to appoint judges who are hostile to Roe v. Wade, or
3) Third party or not voting.
I blame the DNC for this madness. Things really went down hill during that SIX WEEK VOID between March 4 and the Pennsylvania primary. There is a saying that the news abhors a vacuum. You can say that again.
Why should there be six weeks between primaries. Does anyone have a good explanation for that?? The entire primary process needs to be revamped. This current set-up has not served the voters well.
The states jockeying for positions of prominence is what got us into the mess in the first place. Michigan and Florida knew what they were doing then they went against the rules.
I was thrilled for North Carolina last Tuesday. They could not have know at the beginning of the primary season that they would play such a major role in the nomination. It's ironic that the states that tried to play games and break the rules were left out of the process entirely.
The DNC has work to do. This needs to be fixed for the next primary season.
"'and has even participated in the misogynist gang-up on Hillary.'
'In what way did he do this?'"
See New Hampshire. I distinctly recall a reference to 'tea parties,' also.
Of course there are policy differences between Obama and Clinton. That is because she has only one policy position, and Obama does not share it. Clinton's sole policy position is that she deserves to be President, and every other policy position she takes is determined by whether she thinks that it will further her becoming President. Unfortunately for her, she has made poor decisions in that regard, thinking as she did that supporting the war in Iraq, supporting a gas tax holiday, and making racist comments would help her to become President.
"...with the media you have and not the media you want"
Neither candidate has learned how to handle the media, which is unfortunate. It's not that hard - they aren't your friends, and they all want something bad - treat them accordingly (re-read your college Intro to Psychology if you are having problems).
re Sen. Clinton's "racist" remarks - it is apparent from the context of her remarks that she is referring to the AP poll. Every poll I ever saw breaks down the responses by categories and I have no reason to doubt that this was true in this case, too. I would be very surprised if one of the questions in the poll wasn't something along the lines of "Which of the following groups best describes you economically?" with options being working-class, etc. That's where the "working-class" comes from.
In her speech Sen. Clinton also referenced how she had increased her support among Hispanics as mentioned in the poll. Her reference to her increasing support among whites was also from the poll. And from the quote it would appear that the phrase "white, working-class" was also taken from the poll. I presume to differentiate them from the poll respondents who were categorized as "black, working-class" (and obviously, mostly supporters of Sen. Obama).
Amazingly enough, noone seems to have pointed out that Sen. Clinton was disrepectful, however unintentionally, to blacks by her assumption that their votes would automatically go to the her if she was the Democratic nominee in November, so she didn't need to even try and appeal to them in the primaries.
a vote for obama is a vote against america: hillary or bust!
why do we have superdelegates?
oh yeah, because the "elites" wanted them in case the "public" didn't vote according to their liking
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