I'MMA LET YOU FINISH
First 
Snake Goddess!!!!
ping
hey Echidne
Dammit, what are you guys doing here? It said zero!
[belches]
Sure.
Did I fucking call this, or what, Ech?
3 POINTER!!!
NTodd, you may have to give that up when you enter a room with E.
Tornado tears up homes, trees in Indianapolis
INDIANAPOLIS (AP) - Residents cleaned up Saturday after a tornado plowed a trail of destruction through the east side of Indianapolis, but they gave thanks that nobody was killed and that the only injuries were minor.
The storm blew through late Friday, ripping roofs off several apartment buildings, snapping trees and toppling power lines. Eighteen people were treated for "very minor" injuries, said John Ball, the area's emergency management director.
"It is a miracle that we didn't have serious injuries or death," he said. "A gentleman told me last night at the shelter that he was lying in bed and heard a rumble, and the roof was gone and he saw the sky."
Winds snapped trees, wrapped metal sheeting around a telephone pole and left a four-block-wide trail of debris about a mile long. Gas station pumps were knocked over, roof shingles shredded, and power lines and tree branches scattered.
Nice monotreme sheets
NTodd, you may have to give that up when you enter a room with E.
Nah, I've already tested her and she's passed the Belch Scenario.
Echidne, seeing as you put up the thread, it's only fitting that you be first.
(Offers dark chocolate at the altar)
These sheets are black silk with Venetian hand-made lace.
Damn. Worst year for tornadoes.
NTodd, what about the Farting in Bed scenario?
Tornado tears up homes, trees in Indianapolis
In other news, Danika Patrick continues to circle the brickyard in pursuit of her first Indy 500 victory.
Yeah, that too.
(I agree, btw, on the basketball officiating thing. I think the Celtics are a better team than either Cleveland or Detroit. Cleveland still needs some more parts to fit their main wheel and Detroit? I really dunno. When they play well they can beat anyone. But they don't always play well. So. . . .)
But Boston looks like an excellent team and I expect them to win the championship.
These sheets are black silk with Venetian hand-made lace.
Echidne
they make me feel dirty
Is NHL stil going on? It's like the NBA, Fall to Summer.
NTodd, what about the Farting in Bed scenario?
She's a very tolerant woman, and has made it through all of the NTodd Challenges.
These sheets are black silk with Venetian hand-made lace.
Echidne
~~~~~~~~~~`
Hubba, freakin, hubba...
Just the thought...
NYT article on local Drinking Liberally chapter mentions DFH Atrios.
Matthew, Echidne would never use dirty linen.
Well, not in the sense that it hasn't been laundered, anyway
Penguins: 5 on 3 and Goose egg.
In other news, Danika Patrick continues to circle the brickyard in pursuit of her first Indy 500 victory.
My mom bought her first automatic yesterday. A Volkswagen.
NTodd, but, has she seen your house?
Fox News is reporting Barack Obama has severed his relationship with the Christian God and has embraced the Islamic prophet Muhammad.
In other news, Danika Patrick continues to circle the brickyard in pursuit of her first Indy 500 victory.
~~~~~~~
And is still trying to get into the pit of that other driver who cut her off...
Is NHL stil going on?
One more game and the Red Wings will be swilling Labatts out of the Cup.
I bought my first automatic yesterday, it's a Ruger.
A 20 day old leopard cub has wandered into a house in India, after being abandoned by its mother.
oh yes, E is entirely capable of handling the "B. S."
Dammit, what are you guys doing here? It said zero!
ellroon bitterful
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s...h?
v=swzK7Q8teSM
But then the NFL starts taking the field in August, and then the real men take to the sports arena.
Oy...what a week it's been for dipshit trolls at my place. I'm not used to it, and it's kind of depressing.
Erin, I don't doubt it for a moment
Bout time those folks in tornado boulevard start building their houses underground.
Fox News is reporting Barack Obama has severed his relationship with the Christian God and has embraced the Islamic prophet Muhammad.
Oy...what a week it's been for dipshit trolls at my place. I'm not used to it, and it's kind of depressing.
Phila, Pizen Sarpint
THAT much stoopid can be.
In other news, Danika Patrick continues to circle the brickyard in pursuit of her first Indy 500 victory.
She has at least won in the league...
Phila, we've certainly had a major infiltration of them this week here.
School must be out.
Oy...what a week it's been for dipshit trolls at my place. I'm not used to it, and it's kind of depressing.
~~~~~~~~~
You've come to the right place then.
[rolls eyes]
A 20 day old leopard cub has wandered into a house in India, after being abandoned by its mother.
mrs. ibrahim al-jafaari
I can haz attack kitty?
Fox News is reporting Barack Obama has severed his relationship with the Christian God and has embraced the Islamic prophet Muhammad.
sdf |
fuck off, jack.
NTodd, but, has she seen your house?
No, but she's seen pics, and NTodd's Pa "outed" me wrt to housecleaning. I still have a couple weeks to run the flamethrower...
Matthew, I've got five of them...oh wait.
You said 'attack kitty.'
Ech, your mom drove stick all these years? That's pretty cool...
Only thing missing from HBO's "Recount" was a note at the end affirming the fact that the Media Consortium found Gore unequivocally had more votes than Bush..
NTodd, you may discover possessions you'd forgotten you own
Why does Jesus hate all those Bobo Red Tornado states?
I've got five of them...oh wait.
You said 'attack kitty.'
Sallyh
once that fedex box arrives, you'll have 9
One more game and the Red Wings will be swilling Labatts out of the Cup.
Perhaps they would let die-hard Wings fan Kristin Bell (Veronica Mars and Heroes, if you didn't already know) have it for a day. She says she would first eat a whole box of Fruity Pebbles out of it. Then use it to take a sponge bath...
"And when he had opened the seventh seal, there was silence in heaven about the space of half an hour."
---Revelation 8:1
Barack Obama has severed his relationship with the Christian God
So did I.
About 40 years ago.
NTodd, you may discover possessions you'd forgotten you own
I'm still trying to find my favorite dildo...
Damn, a comment that was a slap at every non-football sport, and no reponses?
OK, well, football is boring, too, a lot of the time.
NTodd, you may discover possessions you'd forgotten you own
Sallyh
he said flamethrower...
That leopard was purring.
Matthew, I love you dearly, and I love kitties.
I also like being married, and if any more cats show up at our house, Monsieur says the cats can stay but he's leaving.
My idea of housecleaning:
When the toilet bowl is darker than your doodoo, it's time to clean.
She has at least won in the league...
NTodd, Pink Poseur
Which only goes to prove that Hillary is unelectable.
Or something like that.
sdf
what's going on?
---Revelation 8:1
Speaking of bad fiction............
I'm still trying to find my favorite dildo...
NTodd, Pink Poseur
here, i found it stuck in a tight sase
Purge, NTodd. It's a great feeling. I threw tons of crap away starting in 2007. Still doing it, actually.
My apologies, sdf.
Ech, your mom drove stick all these years? That's pretty cool...
Automatic is very rare in Finland. It's seen as costing too much in gas.
Frank Rich kicks ass as only he can. This one hurts!
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/0...&hp&
oref=slogin
School must be out.
Sallyh, Grandmere Poissonniere | 06.01.08 - 12:10 am | # [kill]
Well, it stood to reason I was gonna attract a climate crank sooner or later. We'll see how persistent he is. Usually they go away when they realize that I'm arguing from a different perspective than they think. I think this one's main interest is in driving traffic to his own site. He definitely came to the wrong place, if so. lately
But I'm taking it more personally than usual, lately, 'cause my wife just found out how deeply her dad has descended into wingnuttery, and she's really distressed about it. (Not just 'cause of the politics, although she doesn't like that aspect, but because it's a really severe, sudden, frightening change in his personality).
the last few cars I've owned have been standard, but modern automatics are on par MPG-wise now
I'm not willing to pony up the extra grand or so to get em
I'm still trying to find my favorite dildo...
NTodd, Pink Poseur
Maybe you'll find that CD.
Why does Jesus hate all those Bobo Red Tornado states?
cosmosis
Why don't they ask Pat Robertson?
Echidne, same throughout Europe. I've rarely seen an automatic there.
In fact, I'm driving my first automatic since I began driving. I'm just old and lazy now and sitting in traffic riding the clutch makes my toes go numb.
Perhaps they would let die-hard Wings fan Kristin Bell
I loved her before but now...!
I didn't know that about Finland. Looks like we'll all be driving stick...
I played varsity football and baseball in high school, and I'm telling you, it was a schload easier as a linebacker hitting a running back, than it has hitting a double off a fastball pitcher.
A 20 day old leopard cub has wandered into a house in India, after being abandoned by its mother.
mrs. ibrahim al-jafaari
Best of luck little critter!
How fortunate he wandered into a house where they would look after him.
Frank Rich kicks ass as only he can. This one hurts!
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/0...&hp& oref=slogin
Stew
OOOh, that IS a good one!
But Boston looks like an excellent team and I expect them to win the championship.
DWD - S☮S
From your lips...
But that Lakers offense comes at you in waves...
Celtics beat 'em twice, but that was before Pau Gasol..
OK, well, football is boring, too, a lot of the time.
Heretic
Purge, NTodd. It's a great feeling. I threw tons of crap away starting in 2007. Still doing it, actually.
I am. Part of the whole "stop the war and shit" thing is downsizing. I have simply accumulated crap over 15 years of home-ownership and need to shed the ballast. E's doing the same, though it's more imperative for our trip.
Echidne, same throughout Europe. I've rarely seen an automatic there.
In fact, I'm driving my first automatic since I began driving. I'm just old and lazy now and sitting in traffic riding the clutch makes my toes go numb.
The only reason my mom changed is that her left knee is bad. It's easier to drive without a clutch pedal.
Maybe you'll find that CD.
Prolly will, though the office is my last priority.
Maybe if those Bobo Red Tornado states abandon their wicked ways and vote blue, God will stop his plagues.
In other news, Danika Patrick continues to circle the brickyard in pursuit of her first Indy 500 victory.
Barry from AK in Wilmington ag
sure she's not looking for wayward pit crewmen?
I'm just old and lazy now and sitting in traffic riding the clutch makes my toes go numb.
That's hard on the carrier bearing. Shifting into neutral takes care of both problems.
Echidne, same throughout Europe. I've rarely seen an automatic there.
Just the opposite for me, all automatic in car sized vehicles, only have seen clutches and gears in the larger vans.
NYT story:
Consumers lean on rebate checks for bills and gas So far, the tax rebates handed out by the Treasury have not spurred a visible spree of new spending.
Nobody could have imagined ...
President Bush called Saturday for a new “culture of responsibility,”
And then he burst into flames.
I've been alternating between stick and automatic. What's interesting is that I seem to have no trouble remembering which is which, but it might be different if the cars had been exactly the same.
Let's see, I hate the Celtics but I hate Kobe more. Prediction: Lakers in 6
(Not just 'cause of the politics, although she doesn't like that aspect, but because it's a really severe, sudden, frightening change in his personality).
Phila, Pizen Sarpint
If you can, get him to the doctor's for a physical. Dramatic mental changes like that can mean a whole lot of things, a lot of them can be addressed with medication.
It can also mean unpleasant things like mini strokes, tumors, or severe depression...
Consumers lean on rebate checks for bills and gas So far, the tax rebates handed out by the Treasury have not spurred a visible spree of new spending.
Nobody could have imagined ...
res ipsa loquitur
People are afraid to spend em, hanging on to the cash instead.
Yea Stimulus!
Bush wouldn't know responsibility if it chewed his nuts off and leisurly ate them in front of him.
I heard Obama recently surried down to a Stoned Soul Picnic, and there was lots of time and wine.
This is unacceptable. Doesn't he know there's a war on.
And then he burst into flames.
*laughing*
NYT story:
Consumers lean on rebate checks for bills and gas
Crap, we're in trouble if that;s so.
I have no love for either the Celtics or the Lakers. No great hate either. So, I'm just hoping for a good Finals. It would be amusing, though, to see Bill Simmons cry like a baby if the Celtics lose...
Frank Rich: ouch.
Let's see, I hate the Celtics but I hate Kobe more. Prediction: Lakers in 6
I hope you're wrong. I hate Kobe, but I really like Paul Pierce, Kevin Garnett, and Ray Allen. I'd like to see them get a ring.
Yea Stimulus!
Mine will be going to fixing the roof.
Frank Rich in a fit of excellence.
As F. Scott Fitzgerald would have it, we will be borne back ceaselessly into the past. Or so we will be as long as Americans continue to die in Iraq and as long as politicians like Mr. Bush, Mr. McCain and Mrs. Clinton refuse to accept responsibility for their roles, major and minor, in abetting this national tragedy.
People are afraid to spend em, hanging on to the cash instead.
Yea Stimulus!
Fuck. Looks like I didn't get mine.
I guess I won't get that loan from chine, er, stimulus check until I file my taxes huh?
extensions are so much faster than actual returns
I just improvised a very credible chicken lo mein!
GO CELTS!
Crap, we're in trouble if that;s so.
MP
We're in trouble
It can also mean unpleasant things like mini strokes, tumors, or severe depression...
My dad had the mini strokes. He became insanely jealous of my mom. Convinced that she was having an affair with a twenty-year old guy. She wasn't.
I guess I won't get that loan from chine, er, stimulus check until I file my taxes huh?
I guess I'll never get mine, then...
I can't think of a person more deserving of having the fucking shit kicked out of him than Bush and Cheney except maybe Kyle Busch.
Mr. French, the Altima I'm driving now was for Mlle, but we all know what happened. It was newer than my Corolla and had fewer miles on it.
I sold the Corolla.
It can also mean unpleasant things like mini strokes, tumors, or severe depression...
ellroon bitterful | Homepage | 06.01.08 - 12:21 am | # [kill][hide comment]
This came on in the aftermath of stopping antidepressants (or something similar...can't recall.) But the thing is, the personality in question is one that's pretty much unwilling to consider the possibility of being wrong about anything, ever, so there's a limit to what we can do.
"So, you think I'm crazy or sick just 'cause I don't want to be beheaded by Islamofascists, huh? Typical liberals!"
My dad had the mini strokes. He became insanely jealous of my mom. Convinced that she was having an affair with a twenty-year old guy. She wasn't.
Echidne
How utterly frightening and devastating. Was your mom ok?
I guess I'll never get mine, then...
NTodd
did you file at all? did you go the sinfonian route?
extensions are so much faster than actual returns
we are gonna file ours after I get a SSN for my son.
I really like Paul Pierce, Kevin Garnett, and Ray Allen. I'd like to see them get a ring.
I'm a Piston fan and to tell you the truth, I'm glad Boston won as they might have a chance of beating smugass Kobe and Coach Goatee
GO CELTS!
NTodd, Pink Poseur
AMEN!!
Crap, we're in trouble if that;s so.
Oh, we certainly are.
re mini-strokes ...
One of my aunts had them. Her personality definitely changed. She was imagining all sorts of crazy stuff.
How utterly frightening and devastating. Was your mom ok?
It was very frightening. When he locked her in the bedroom we intervened, got her out of the house and went through the court proceedings to force him to have care. It was truly an awful time.
Understand there's womens that kind of likes the way that mens are put together.
Paranoid delusions are very common in the elderly as an early sign of dementia. There are treatable causes, so it's well worth working up. The important thing is not to rule out medical-type reasons prematurely for personality changes.
"So, you think I'm crazy or sick just 'cause I don't want to be beheaded by Islamofascists, huh? Typical liberals!"
Phila, Pizen Sarpint
Ack! My sympathies to your wife.
smugass Kobe and Coach Goatee
cosmosis
They're so easy to hate...
Yea Stimulus!
Mine will be going to fixing the roof.
Mine is going to my mom, because I don't like her to worry about money.
did you file at all? did you go the sinfonian route?
Haven't filed in 2 years.
Consumers lean on rebate checks for bills and gas So far, the tax rebates handed out by the Treasury have not spurred a visible spree of new spending.
I've only had a few customers specifically saying they were spending their stimulus money. I would have expected more but it's hard to tell because the paper checks appear to have not gotten out yet.
It was very frightening. When he locked her in the bedroom we intervened, got her out of the house and went through the court proceedings to force him to have care. It was truly an awful time.
Echidne
Did your dad ever return to himself?
Old folks hate it when their kids gang up on them.
Echidne, my mother suffered a major stroke at 29 after she had her fourth kid. Her personality drastically changed after that. I was 6 at the time; she'd had four kids really fast but before the stroke, she'd read with me and take me to the library and she was, well, just a busy mom, but not a calleaich, which she was for so many years.
She's had a number of TIAs since then. Now she's more mellow.
I guess I'll never get mine, then...
NTodd, Pink Poseur
Not to worry, Hugo still has free heating oil.
I'm a Piston fan and to tell you the truth, I'm glad Boston won as they might have a chance of beating smugass Kobe and Coach Goatee
cosmosis
Yeah, I think I said that. But it's all good. I think the Pistons need to make some changes. Maybe some pretty big changes. I dunno. I can talk about hockey and tell you what is wrong with a team with some experience. Basketball? NOpe. Not me. Don;t know much about it.
Haven't filed in 2 years.
NTodd
do you have regular w-2 wages or are you a contractor?
I've got homemade pizza with hot and sweet Italian sausage, pepperoni, bacon, ham a 'little' habanero and sweet pepper and garlic mixed with the sauce, and of course several cheeses.
With it you can have a smoothy, levitation ale, IPA ale or water.
Did your dad ever return to himself?
He had a few more strokes while being in the diagnostic phase. He was diagnosed as having vascular dementia, and for a while he was in a locked mental ward due to violence. But later he became very sweet and kind, though he never was the way he was before his illness.
Flying tackled my mother in law once as she scampered across the road, with my three year old following, in a game to get the mail as a semi came on at 50 mph. By then, she was seeing people making love in the trees.
Just awful. Stopped visiting her; she got scared when she saw me; didn't recognize me.
My dad had the mini strokes. He became insanely jealous of my mom. Convinced that she was having an affair with a twenty-year old guy. She wasn't.
Echidne | Homepage | 06.01.08 - 12:24 am | # [kill][hide comment]
This stuff is more terrifying to me than anything. Ever since I was a kid, it's really upset me when people suddenly decide something is absolutely true, and you can't say anything to shake them out of it. Which is probably one reason I've gotten so many more gray hairs in the last few years.
There's not much I can tell the wife, either. My mother died nuts, more or less, believing anything her tumor-riddled head told her. It's very sad, but what can you do?
ProfWombat
And now the Celtics?
Doug, sounds delicious.
I baked a carrot cake for Monsieur, and he's happy to share with everyone.
calleaich?
Once again I hate being at the end of the name alphabet. By the time my check shows up, they'll probably void them all
This is how long I've stayed away from watching the NBA. This big thug Bill Lambier was in the league the last time I followed the NBA.
do you have regular w-2 wages or are you a contractor?
Regular w-2 through the school, contractor otherwise, but my IRA distros (pay off debts, divorce, etc) fuck up my income yet again, so I have a lot of penalties and interest in the future...
Funny, our brains determine our personality, to some, our "soul," if you will, and yet, we just don't see simple organic problems as the root of personality changes. It's a question of time and experience. If we spend a long enough time with someone who's generally rational, even if a bit odd, we continue to think of them as rational. Even when they may no longer be--for organic reasons.
My sympathies and encouragement.
My mother's decline into dementia was awful. And in retrospect, her very altered interpretation of reality was, for the most part, fairly benign and easy to handle.
Nonetheless, it was a dark time.
You and yours, take care of yourself.
ProfWombat,
That is awful. One of the things I am really grateful for re daddy res was that he had all his marbles up until the end. It was bad enough to see his body completely broken down. It would have been horrible to see his mind go, too.
res: yeah, it's an embarrassment of sports riches up here. And they're apparently a pretty decent bunch, too. Don't follow 'em much, though.
NTodd, we file every year. But we shorted them by 30% this year, and enclosed an explanation.
Thus far, the IRS hasn't notified us, although I expect they will.
Carrot cake is my favorite, sallyh.
This stuff is more terrifying to me than anything. Ever since I was a kid, it's really upset me when people suddenly decide something is absolutely true, and you can't say anything to shake them out of it. Which is probably one reason I've gotten so many more gray hairs in the last few years.
It was terrifying for us, too. And the guilt of essentially forcing treatment on your father. But once he was diagnosed and so on it was better, because we knew what was wrong and what the prognosis was. And the care he got was wonderful.
My mom was with it until the very end. I found myself embarrassed for her, which was unfair. She wasn't there anymore.
My dad was suffering but alert to the end. My mom is mentally losing it but not suffering. Which is worse?
ellroon, an unpleasant, cruel woman in Gaelige.
Carrot cake is my favorite, sallyh.
res ipsa loquitur
with or without raisins and nuts?
I know enough people who are struggling with all the worries and problems associated with aging parents, that it's almost something of a relief that mine died too early for me to have to deal with all that.
My sympathies to everyone in such a situation.
res, why, help yourself
(hands giant slice to res, extra heavy frosting)
Thus far, the IRS hasn't notified us, although I expect they will.
Sallyh, Grandmere Poissonniere
Even if your file is pulled, you'll likely get a really bored agent who's really dissatisfied with their career.
Erin, golden raisins and pecans.
it is cream cheese frosting, right?
aging parents
aging spouses
Say. I just finished remixing Monica de Vitry singing The Window. I think it came out well. Head on over to the old homepage and download a free one.
I think you'll be glad you did.
Paranoid delusions are very common in the elderly as an early sign of dementia. There are treatable causes, so it's well worth working up. The important thing is not to rule out medical-type reasons prematurely for personality changes.
ProfWombat | Homepage | 06.01.08 - 12:26 am | # [kill][hide comment
Oh, we don't, by any means. I mean, I can't express to you how much this is out of the blue; he displayed none of these tendencies ever, to anyone, until now.
I think I understand how some of it comes from a sense of uprootedness is life, and from regrets pertaining to his own parents. But the suddenness and virulence of the change is amazing. He basically sounds like...well, I was going to say like Toby. But he's actually a good deal worse than that, in many ways.
But again, how do we get him into the hospital? Everything's a liberal plot. He's fine; it's the world that's gone mad.
My sympathies to everyone in such a situation.
SteveNS
This group really has been through it, haven't we? And yet... we're liberals.
How the hell can that be? I thought liberals were conservatives that hadn't had a bad experience yet...
aging parents
aging spouses
ErinPDX
That about sums it up.
MP, my CPA-tax attorney brother says, so long as you declared every penny you earned (we did), he said, they may figure it's not worth it to go after you.
Unfortunately, if they do, second brother is only licensed to practice in NY, CT, and MA.
Watched my beloved mother in law decline from Alzheimers over a period of 17 years. It was pretty terrible, especially the last 5 years.
I'm agnostic on the raisins and/or nuts in the carrot cake.
But again, how do we get him into the hospital? Everything's a liberal plot. He's fine; it's the world that's gone mad.
I'm so sorry. I looked into all sorts of options, from persuasion (a lot of persuasion) to getting friends of my father to talk to him to yelling. Finally we found out what was required legally and took the steps, because you can't have your mom locked up in a bedroom.
aging parents
aging spouses
ErinPDX
Aging selves.
NTodd, we file every year. But we shorted them by 30% this year, and enclosed an explanation.
Thus far, the IRS hasn't notified us, although I expect they will.
Yes, I remember, and I'm so proud of you! And prolly you will get a buzz sometime for filing and the explanation, ironically (I guess) earlier than I'll get hit because I've not filed at all. Good luck and good on you...
Matthew, but of course!
And none of that canned shit, either. This has real butter and cream cheese. Heart attack on a knife.
My roommate in law school was a former IRS agent, and he told me about this time he went up to a tired clerk, and was all flashing his badge and shit, and the clerk said "fuck you". And he put his badge away and left.
Aging selves.
Barry from AK in Wilmington
shhh!
And the guilt of essentially forcing treatment on your father. But once he was diagnosed and so on it was better, because we knew what was wrong and what the prognosis was. And the care he got was wonderful.
yes. but the paranoid delusions and hateful speech is very disturbing, and you balance the "was that her incipient dementia, or is she expressing an inner emotion" reverberates in weird, multi-polar ways.
but she improves, and your heart sings, and you move forward.
This has real butter and cream cheese. Heart attack on a knife.
Sallyh
two slices please
NTodd, we're actually not worried. If we were that afraid, we'd not have done it.
And second brother says they'll probably ignore us, at least for several years.
I can talk about hockey and tell you what is wrong with a team with some experience. Basketball? NOpe. Not me. Don;t know much about it.
DWD - S☮S
The Pistons could use a defensive rebounder, with a post - up game in the paint. Remember Ben Wallace?
I know enough people who are struggling with all the worries and problems associated with aging parents, that it's almost something of a relief that mine died too early for me to have to deal with all that.
I have this issue, too. My mother died very young and my father cared for her. My father died at 63 and his wife took care of him. I had to deal with the emotional stuff, but not with the actual care. Now I have all these friends dealing with both parts -- and they have spouses and kids of their own to care for, too. I think they have it much worse than I did in many ways.
With all the physical parts of me getting a bit weak and creaky, as compared to even five or ten years ago, I often think that if I lose my mind, they might as well shoot me and get it over with, because there's no other advantage left.
shhh!
ErinPDX
Like I said earlier, next year the 2 dollar senior discount at Bob Evans.
I can hardly wait.
Aren't I supposed to get a trophy bride too about now?
Funny, our brains determine our personality, to some, our "soul," if you will, and yet, we just don't see simple organic problems as the root of personality changes.
Well, we see them, but it's hard to remember it in the heat of the moment. Especially with a parent, where you've got some many preexisting tensions and patterns. I "knew" my mother was sick, and that she was no longer herself, but she still drove me from the room in a blind rage more than once.
Well, my mother's a Republican, yet they assure me it's not dementia.
I suspect misdiagnosis.
ellroon: if a conservative is a liberal who's been mugged, a liberal is a conservative who's just been told he has a preexisting condition...
More seriously, you go through tough times or situations successfully, you usually have help doing it. Hard to do by yourself. It's important for some to pretend that they're doing so; they tend to be conservatives. Others have no problem acknowledging the help they get, and try to return the favor. They tend to be liberals.
(gives Matthew two slices of cake and one fork)
Usually with Monsieur and I, it's one slice of cake and two forks. I consider you compensating for us.
sounds like this thread is ripe for a conversation on euthanasia
How the hell can that be? I thought liberals were conservatives that hadn't had a bad experience yet...
ellroon bitterful
Obviously, that's bullshit.
How the hell can that be? I thought liberals were conservatives that hadn't had a bad experience yet...
ellroon bitterful
Because liberals are empathetic, not exceptionalist. They (we) don't think feeling pain and having bad experiences set them (us) apart. We're united by our shared experiences, good and bad.
we'll be able to apply for a SSN on Monday, June 16th. at 9:00 am.
Friday the 13th will be fun, too.
Duane, for some reason, I think our losses and anguish have made many of us more, not less, compassionate.
Case in point: Chimpy.
sounds like this thread is ripe for a conversation on euthanasia
::matthew
Naw, well for some, but me...
I wanna know where my jet pack is, and hover car?
Aren't I supposed to get a trophy bride too about now?
Barry from AK
they're buy two get one free right now
Well, my mother's a Republican, yet they assure me it's not dementia.
I suspect misdiagnosis.
Harry Doghiney (D-TX)
"Republican" belongs in the DSM - IV.
sounds like this thread is ripe for a conversation on euthanasia
::matthew | 06.01.08 - 12:40 am | #
Chinese kids don't interest me.
I suspect misdiagnosis.
Harry Doghiney (D-TX)
hey, Harry, I got your email earlier. Looking forward to the shindig.
I'll be coming in from Wimberley- anything I can bring?
My dad was suffering but alert to the end. My mom is mentally losing it but not suffering. Which is worse?
I couldn't begin to decide that for someone else. But, for myself and because I have brain-related phobias, I hope I'm alert until the end.
Barry, what, your own 747 isn't enough?
they're buy two get one free right now
::matthew
Well now there is a deal.
Local car dealer is willing to double my stimulus check on a new car, will the Trophy Brides R Us shop do the same?
I'll be coming in from Wimberley- anything I can bring?
virgotex
Swing by my old boss's ranch and pilfer some wine. His cellar is ZOMG teh awesome.
Otherwise, just bring your smilin' self.
Huh. Usain Bolt ran 100m in 9.72 seconds.
My stimulus check arrived and left. It was used to pay something or other, I guess.
Case in point: Chimpy.
Sallyh, Grandmere Poissonniere
I think the losses you experience can either make you more compassionate, or can simply damage you to the point where you become sick and twisted, like Chimpy.
sounds like this thread is ripe for a conversation on euthanasia
I live in Oregon. Nuff said.
Swing by my old boss's ranch and pilfer some wine. His cellar is ZOMG teh awesome.
are you suggesting a black ops mission?
Usain Bolt ran 100m in 9.72 seconds.
The race was fixed! Clearly, not all of the meters were counted!
My stimulus check went that way, too, Echidine. I think it was student loan.
are you suggesting a black ops mission?
virgotex
I'll give you the gate code if you promise no one gets hurt.
Wouldn't the world be ever so much nicer if evil people were deleted?
Barry,
Is it standard procedure to secure the cockpit door now? Seems to me, unless there a bomb onboard, that would at least get the aircraft back on the tarmac.
Duane, I don't think Chimpy's ever suffered any consequences for bad behavior in his life. In fact, he's lived a pretty charmed existence.
I can understand being sick and bitter; I get there at times. But I know there are angels in the form of good people everywhere.
I;'d How the hell can that be? I thought liberals were conservatives that hadn't had a bad experience yet...
ellroon bitterful | Homepage | 06.01.08 - 12:35 am | # [kill][hide comment]
If I had it in me, I'd write a post reminding people that the GOP's policy is for our loved ones to die without dignity and without peace, worrying over the finances of their survivors to the last breath they take. Virtually no one has the money it takes to get through a catastrophic illness, especially if there's assisted living involved.
The stuff I've been through with my parents, I wouldn't wish on anyone. And as angry as I get at this GOP loudmouths, I get sadder at the thought of them learning one by one what it's like to be at the mercy of an insurance company while someone you love is suffering or dying.
I'll give you the gate code if you promise no one gets hurt.
*laughing*
Assault rifles and Chateau LaFitte `59 do not mix.
Sux to be me. However, I stand by the sentiments I expressed last evening.
When I was a kid reading 'Gulliver's Travels', the image that struck me, and disturbed me, more than any other was the Struldbrugs, the luckless immortals who continued to age.
The contest is coming to a close as Puerto Rico votes on Sunday and Montana and South Dakota on Tuesday, finishing a process that began five months ago in Iowa. Even if those results do not put Senator Barack Obama over the top, aides to both Mr. Obama and Mrs. Clinton said they expected enough superdelegates to rally behind Mr. Obama in the 48 hours after the final primaries to allow him to proclaim himself the nominee.
That seems logical, even though it's from tomorrow's New York Times.
The Pistons could use a defensive rebounder, with a post - up game in the paint. Remember Ben Wallace?
Duane V, LouderThanaBomb |
Again, let me preface this by saying that I really do not know what in the hell I am talking about but it SEEMS to me that the Pistons rely entirely too much on their jump shots. Even Rasheed Wallace who seems perfectly capable of playing an inside game loves to play outside.
I think the Pistons NEED a Tim Duncan type of player. A large rebounding, defensive force, who can score 20-30 pts a night. (Of course, everyone else does too)
If they had this type of player they would not be so dependent upon making their shots and when they went cold, as they do often, there would be an alternative.
The race was fixed! Clearly, not all of the meters were counted!
That'd be kinda funny.
It's too bad I can't get into track events like I used to. I know if everyone's dirty it more or less evens the playing field, but the performance-enhancing drugs just suck all the enjoyment out of it for me.
And even with all the tests that come back clean, I'll never be convinced that they aren't all doing it.
When I was a kid reading 'Gulliver's Travels', the image that struck me, and disturbed me, more than any other was the Struldbrugs, the luckless immortals who continued to age.
Ursula le Guin has a similar story in Changing Planes.
Is it standard procedure to secure the cockpit door now? Seems to me, unless there a bomb onboard, that would at least get the aircraft back on the tarmac.
MP
Has been for years and years, long before 9-11.
Now they are just stronger.
Pax planes only, I don't have a door on my jet.
can morphine cause extreme short term memory loss?
Wouldn't the world be ever so much nicer if evil people were deleted?
Do we have to cut off limbs to erase the different evil bits of our own selves?
Even if those results do not put Senator Barack Obama over the top
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It's too bad I can't get into track events like I used to.
I'll be at the Olympic Trials in Eugene on June 26
I can understand being sick and bitter; I get there at times. But I know there are angels in the form of good people everywhere.
Sallyh, Grandmere Poissonniere
I think Chimpy was damaged not only by his upbringing in general, what with his obviously deranged parents, but specifically by his sister's death, and how the family handled it. Not good.
When I was a kid reading 'Gulliver's Travels', the image that struck me, and disturbed me, more than any other was the Struldbrugs, the luckless immortals who continued to age.
The antidote to that is Jitterbug Perfume.
The race was fixed! Clearly, not all of the meters were counted!
Hillary continues to circle the track, insisting all the meters be counted, while text messaging Danika Patrick at Indy for support.
Frank Rich, from his tips to the gods and goddesses ears:
So why the fuss? Mr. McClellan isn’t a sizzling TV personality, or, before now, a household name beyond the Beltway. His book secured no major prepublication media send-off on “60 Minutes” or a newsmagazine cover. But if the tale of how the White House ginned up the war is an old story, the big new news is how ferocious a hold this familiar tale still exerts on the public all these years later. We have not moved on.
Americans don’t like being lied to by their leaders, especially if there are casualties involved and especially if there’s no accountability. We view it as a crime story, and we won’t be satisfied until there’s a resolution.
can morphine cause extreme short term memory loss?
ErinPDX
It definitely didn't do anything for my mother's cognition in the last weeks of her life.
can morphine cause extreme short term memory loss?
My mother had hallucinations and memory loss when she was given morphine, but I don't know if that's typical of a particular biochemical reaction, or what.
I have a friend who works in international anti-doping. They view the main problem with drugs to be the imitation that goes on among amateurs. The top athletes have medical supervision, after all, but the weightlifters who do it for fun do not. Yet they take all sorts of pills all the time.
With any luck!
I hate Kobe, but I really like Paul Pierce, Kevin Garnett, and Ray Allen. I'd like to see them get a ring.
Duane V, LouderThanaBomb
Me three. KG deserves it for his immense talent and integrity in sticking it out with the woeful 'Wolves for all those years when he could have gone eslewhere better for more bucks.
Americans don’t like being lied to by their leaders, especially if there are casualties involved and especially if there’s no accountability. We view it as a crime story, and we won’t be satisfied until there’s a resolution.
Frank Rich has found teh Jeebus.
Goodnight friendlies. I'll see you at the barricades tomorry.
NBC’s broadcast of the Pittsburgh Penguins’ victory over the Detroit Red Wings in Game 3 of the Stanley Cup finals produced an 18.2 rating in the Detroit market, 14 percent above ESPN’s coverage of Game 5 of the N.B.A.’s Eastern Conference finals between the Detroit Pistons and the Boston Celtics.
The Detroit market showed higher ratings for the Pistons-Celtics series when it faced Games 1 and 2 of the Stanley Cup. Each rating point in the Detroit market equals about 19,254 TV households.
Hockey’s win over basketball was partly because of its game being on NBC, a broadcast network, and the N.B.A. game being seen on a cable network, even the mighty ESPN, which is not as broadly distributed.
Morphine, to some extent, limits sensory input, and can unmask early dementia, or mimic it.
If they had this type of player they would not be so dependent upon making their shots and when they went cold, as they do often, there would be an alternative.
DWD - S☮S
For someone who claims not to know much about basketball, you're right on the money.
Erin, yes, it can.
Ever tried to talk to a heroin addict when he or she's high? It's pretty useless.
While I was at the ballpark today watching thr FSU NCAA regional, the track team was hosting theirs and Walter Dix whooped ass in the 100 and 200
The stuff I've been through with my parents, I wouldn't wish on anyone. And as angry as I get at this GOP loudmouths, I get sadder at the thought of them learning one by one what it's like to be at the mercy of an insurance company while someone you love is suffering or dying.
It is very difficult to maintain one's humanity in that situation.
We view it as a crime story, and we won’t be satisfied until there’s a resolution.
cue the Law and Order theme and Chimpy and Cheeney in pink jumpsuits.
Americans don’t like being lied to by their leaders,
I haven't found that to be the case at all.
I rejoyed being whacked out on morphine.
can morphine cause extreme short term memory loss?
only if played at loud volumes, incessantly, for more than 10 hours.
Consult your doctor if you have buzzing or ringing in your ears, loss of aural distinction, or diarrehia.
My only problem with receiving post op morphine was that I couldn't breathe.
Never read 'Jitterbug Perfume'; I'll check it out.
Ever tried to talk to a heroin addict when he or she's high? It's pretty useless.
Sallyh, Grandmere Poissonniere
Hell, how could you?
All of the weird stuff I ingested when I was young, I never went with the spike in the veins.
Can't stay up any longer,
Night, all
Peace.
My only problem with receiving post op morphine was that I couldn't breathe.
Sallyh
breathing is highly overrated
can morphine cause extreme short term memory loss?
ErinPDX | 06.01.08 - 12:50 am | #
What was the question?
g'night DWD
gots to go do the pickup at the airport.
nite bats and LOVE you.
Never read 'Jitterbug Perfume'; I'll check it out.
I enjoyed it.
breathing is highly overrated
::matthew
they have machines for that now.
But it sux, like that poor woman who died last week, when the power goes off.
breathing is highly overrated
like FSU's pre-season NCAA football ranking?
I think the Pistons NEED a Tim Duncan type of player.
A "Tim Duncan type of player" comes along about 1 and 1/2 times in a generation and wins many championships.
MP, opiates are my former SIL's drug of choice. I don't think he shoots anymore, but he's taking some mighty heavy doses of Percocet and Vicodin due to pain from his accident. What worries me is that he's got about 5 different doctors and might have scrips from all of them. He's abused painkillers before as well.
breathing is highly overrated
Americans breathe too much.
Nite, DWD.
Good evening.
From my experience, folks don't like realizing they've been lied to, and will often go to great lengths to avoid dealing with the baggage of betrayal.
I'll be at the Olympic Trials in Eugene on June 26
cosmosis
sold out quickly, it did.
i'll have to watch on tv
MP, I did snort heroin once.
I realized that if I ever did it again, I'd never get off it, because when you're high on it, you have NO problems.
ErinPDX |
06.01.08 - 12:50 am | #
can morphine cause extreme short term memory loss?
Recreational use, in excessive quantities, might do so I suppose. However medicinal use for pain control, not that I ever heard of. It was given to my late husband rather heavily the last few weeks before his death from throat cancer and while he was unable to speak and disinterested in communication generally, he was pretty much that way before starting the morphine.
From my experience, folks don't like realizing they've been lied to, and will often go to great lengths to avoid dealing with the baggage of betrayal.
Uncle Smokes | Homepage | 06.01.08 - 12:58 am | #
Exactly. If they were lied to, they're chumps. Therefore, they weren't lied to.
How did the Hockey game fair next to the world premiere of Elite Extreme Cagefighting on the CBS Network?
the Celtics/Lakers matchup is so 80's retro, I am so loving it. gonna be hard fought, and I have high hopes the Celts will finally do it, 20 years after last going to the championship.
because when you're high on it, you have NO problems.
Sallyh, Grandmere Poissonniere
Hello, Mr. Cocaine.
A "Tim Duncan type of player" comes along about 1 and 1/2 times in a generation and wins many championships.
I think te Pistons'd settle for having Ben Wallace back..
I realized that if I ever did it again, I'd never get off it, because when you're high on it, you have NO problems.
Sallyh, Grandmere Poissonniere
i smoked it once, same thing. never did it again. too alluring.
Never read 'Jitterbug Perfume'; I'll check it out.
It's sort of the antithetical argument of the immortals in Gulliver's Travels.
The protagonists continue to get older, but don't age. All wrapped around a spy story about perfumers seeking the perfect perfume bass note, derived from... the beet.
Like much of Robbins' work, it's good fun, and markedly funny.
does larry bird still play for the celtics?
How did the Hockey game fair next to the world premiere of Elite Extreme Cagefighting on the CBS Network?
NHL beat NBA in Detroit market.
the Celtics/Lakers matchup is so 80's retro, I am so loving it. gonna be hard fought, and I have high hopes the Celts will finally do it, 20 years after last going to the championship.
21 years. And 22 years after their 16th.
In the show they do this time dissonance thing, so it doesn't hurt. But you sure get tired. All in all morphine is a better solution.
Tom Friedman is saying that, because America doesn't have any leverage, talking to Iran would be appeasement.
It's true. America only accounts for a quarter of the world's economy. America only has a military budget equal to the rest of the world combined. America's foreign clients, including Israel and Egypt, are only of peripheral importance.
What to ddo, what to do? The question boggles the mind...
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/0...riedman.html?
hp
MP, I tried coke once, too, at, of all places, a friend's Tupperware party.
That was like, you mean that's it? Never bothered with it again.
Erin, my drug of choice was always liquor. It was the only thing I consistently enjoyed.
The protagonists continue to get older, but don't age. All wrapped around a spy story about perfumers seeking the perfect perfume bass note, derived from... the beet.
Until the entrance of the beet, it sounded like a Patrick Süskind novel.
That was like, you mean that's it? Never bothered with it again.
Sallyh, Grandmere Poissonniere
You didn't have the good stuff.
I can't be near cocaine.
because when you're high on it, you have NO problems.
Sallyh, Grandmere Poissonniere
Hello, Mr. Cocaine.
MP
bizackly my thought. At the time, it was good to see I did have some semblance of a gatekeeper.
Tom Friedman is saying that, because America doesn't have any leverage, talking to Iran would be appeasement.
bomb, bomb, bomb
bomb, bomb Iran.
clearly, Little Tommy has received the memo.
I have high hopes the Celts will finally do it, 20 years after last going to the championship.
mrs. ibrahim al-jafaari
Go CELTICS!
Tom Friedman is saying that, because America doesn't have any leverage, talking to Iran would be appeasement.
Suck On That
Americans don’t like being lied to by their leaders,
I haven't found that to be the case at all.
Phila, Pizen Sarpint
They mainly have been enabling their lying leaders most of the time. If there is some awareness now too bad it derives from financial or mortal pain.
MP, stimulants scared me. I'd get manic and crazy, often for weeks at a time.
Ironically, Mlle's DOC is meth. It really is the devil's drug.
ok, good night bats
sarah's going on a early bike ride and I'll be on chirrin detail starting at the ass crack of dawn
This is probably TMI, but years ago, I actually wound up in a really unplanned for city off a cocaine binge.
Tom Friedman is saying that, because America doesn't have any leverage, talking to Iran would be appeasement.
Tom can suck on this.
They mainly have been enabling their lying leaders most of the time. If there is some awareness now too bad it derives from financial or mortal pain.
If this was a moral country, the fake war, and the torture issues should have been enough.
http://
www.informationclearingho...rticle20009.htm
Notice what is changing the politics of the US, high fuel prices and the following high prices on all goods.
MP, I tried coke once, too, at, of all places, a friend's Tupperware party.
That was like, you mean that's it? Never bothered with it again.
Heh. Pretty much my story. I had been offered it on occasion over the years and always declined. My theory was that either I would like it, and want more, which I couldn't afford; or wouldn't like it and it might as well then go to somebody who could appreciate it.
Finally decided to give it a try. Person I was with cut three lines. I snorted half of one of them. Found it less exciting than the white cross I had indulged in for a time in much younger days. And yet about three hours later I went into a crying fit that lasted for hours.
Didn't find this particularly alluring and was never remotely tempted again. Sometimes we get lucky.
Notice what is changing the politics of the US, high fuel prices and the following high prices on all goods.
Our country is complacent, happy with consumerism...not something we can totally blame people for. We just need to work with what we've got...
I don't get the appeal of marijuana. Just makes me sleepy and paranoid.
Now it's just some alcohol every now and again, and the stupid nicotine.
Hell, I would have any idea where to get even a joint right now.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7...eVRXELTxns&
NR=1
MP, now that's fucking scary.
I wasn't high at the time, but I was manic in my junior year of college for a while. And I decided I'd go walking till I got laid--ended up canvassing the Combat Zone all night.
They mainly have been enabling their lying leaders most of the time. If there is some awareness now too bad it derives from financial or mortal pain.
Ah, well, I think people with enough information can come to reasonable conclusions.
But, we've been living with a government for the past sixty years which has created for itself an artificial mandate for secrecy, and a press which sees its role not to expose the government's secrets, but to be a gatekeeper for them. Once one is faced with that situation, it's tremendously difficult to get enough of the pieces to make sense of whatever picture is at issue.
Most people today simply don't have the time to put that picture together, the traditional role of the press in society.
kaymoutl8h9rz
Apostate, never cared for it. For one thing, it didn't taste anywhere near as nice as a good vodka tonic.
nodding off--'night, all, and keep your eyes on the prize
Nite, NTodd.
Nite, ProfWombat.
Apostate, never cared for it. For one thing, it didn't taste anywhere near as nice as a good vodka tonic.
Sallyh, Grandmere Poissonniere | 06.01.08 - 1:10 am | #
Wow. Why aren't you my girlfriend?
Apostate, never cared for it. For one thing, it didn't taste anywhere near as nice as a good vodka tonic.
I do like the smell of pot smoke, and I used to be a whiskey fan, but I don't drink anymore.
Le Jackel, alas, I no longer imbibe.
I just have way too an addictive personality for cocaine to be near me.
It's really wrecked a lot of successful people.
And sadly I am a celibate.
MP, yes, it has.
I keep hoping and praying that whatever damage has occurred to Mlle's brain can be recovered over time.
She's still intelligent and articulate, but it's as if her judgment and conscience have vanished.
My favorite version.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5...MAa_kPB7jo&
NR=1
Le Jackel, well, we could have a nondrinking, nonsexual affair...
She's still intelligent and articulate, but it's as if her judgment and conscience have vanished.
I have a brother like that, a meth addict. He says he's not using now, but I'll never fully trust him again. He was an asshole in some regards before he started using meth, and that part of him remains unchanged.
Sallyh,
Sometimes we can identify the danger. The ones who can't really pay the price.
Apostate, Mlle was the sweetest person in the world before she started using meth. She was an affectionate, caring, and very loving daughter.
I hope that part of her can be recaptured.
Well, you'd end up breaking my heart. I fall in love far too easy, despite being celibate.
I hope that part of her can be recaptured.
I share your hope.
Le Jackel, let's not do it and say we did
Professor of political science at King Saud University, Saudi Arabia, and human rights activist Matrook Al-Faleh was kidnapped on May 19, 2008. Dr. Matrook Al-Faleh is a member of the Arab Committee for Human Rights and an active advocate of civil society and constitutional reform in Saudi Arabia. Dr. Al-Faleh left his home to his office when his family lost contact with him. Al-Faleh’s family and the Arab Committee for Human Rights tried to locate him by calling his cell phone to no avail. When his family went to his office, he was not there although his car was at the University parking lot. It has then become clear to his family that Dr. Al-Faleh was kidnapped by the Saudi Secret Police.
Before his imprisonment, Dr. Matrook Al-Faleh had issued a statement on torture and prison conditions and other human right abuses practices in Buraidah regional prison. This statement came after his recent visit his jailed colleague and activist, Dr. Abdullah Al-Hamed.
Jesus
Apostate, the Bush's best friends, the Saudi royalty and their courtiers.
Sometimes, when we stop talking about the election, this board can be magnificent. I really enjoy "reading" you very intelligent and passionate people.
clemente, ah, we can get mighty silly, too. You've not been here for the pun threads?
Sallyh, I've been lurking this board since 2002. You, my dear, have the heart of a warrior. I wish you all of the best. And most pun threads: hysterical.
Ah, Clemente, I don't feel much like I have that sort of heart. But you're very kind.
Cool! Let's say we did a lot. And, of course, you were the best.
xan
(if you are still here)
Tuesday!
G'night folks.
hey Sally, missed you downstairs.
I'm editing pictures. I'm also in College Station, so I don't know how the girls are doing.
I assume they're watching TCM, which I helpfully left on for them. (they haz babysitter too)
A lot of people think they've been around people who used drugs.
I did, too. Until I did an internship in law school, representing young women at Alderson Federal Penitentiary.
Many of these wretched young women were there, because they were drug mules, who took the fall for their dealer boyfriends. And they were drug mules, because they couldn't stop getting high.
It was almost sadder than I can describe.
Le Jackel, and naturally, so were you.
We'll always have Paris
MP, sadly, for too many women addicts, the connection between men and drugs is a very intimate one. It certainly has been for Mlle.
Ah, indeed Mrs. I. And may I suggest...Tuesday morning?
(The theory I heard, from a very savvy source: We now know very nearly the exact number of supers who will be needed to accomplish The Deed. If they were to announce their intentions just before the last primaries...then those states would settle the matter "by popular vote." and a certain goalpost would be set in concrete and rendered unmoveable.)
Just a theory mind you. But we are assuming some pockets are very full and the contents being dispensed judiciously.
These young women didn't need incarceration. They weren't criminals. They needed treatment for their drug addiction.
I do miss Paris. Now you've inspired me to return there.
MP, that would be another aspect of the First 24 Hour Agenda of the Marsupial Overlord ProfWombat.
It's really terrifying how little there is in the way of treatment resources, and how little money there's been for basic research into the particulars of addiction.
Then again, this is the Bush regime, and they don't give a shit about anyone.
MP, and I'm guessing a number of them had children as well.
We can save ourselves an immense expense and social problem by simply declaring victory in the war against drugs and turning over the entire problem of addiction to the medical community, where it belongs.
I still find it of significance that the Federal Bureau of Narcotics was officially kicked off in January, 1934, barely months after Prohibition was repealed.
Hoover had a power base to maintain, and he did.
MP, and I'm guessing a number of them had children as well.
Sallyh, Grandmere Poissonniere
I went to law school during the Reagan years, so those children are grown up by now.
montag, I've often been tempted to go back and get another doctorate in neuroscience so that I could study some of the neurochemical and structural problems that occur in addicted individuals, and how different drugs affect the user--i.e., why are certain individuals drawn to their DOC?
I have to disagree with AA when they say, addiction is addiction. I think there's a lot of empirical evidence to indicate otherwise.
GravatarSometimes, when we stop talking about the election, this board can be magnificent.
all your candidates suck. to 11
Mrs. Ibrahim, nice summary. Concise and to the point 
It's night time, should I be wearing my sunglasses?
Must sleep. Bless you all, beloved ones.
I've often been tempted to go back and get another doctorate in neuroscience...
How many times have I said those very words!
May is moot.
-
I have to disagree with AA when they say, addiction is addiction.
despite what those Calvinists ever said to me, all my addictions are different.
each according to it's need......
the worst part of living in West Hollywood was having a convicted coke dealer as a co-worker, pal, and neighbor.
don't get me started about the black tar in Venice 4 years later.
hell, I refrained from spirits for 10 years, 2 days, and 10 hours.
but who's counting?
differance.
dave, they're like tattoos and Lay's chips: you can't stop at one
Wonder why Alabama wasn't punished for moving up their primary .
Click below and read story:
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The first time I was ever drunk was in Paris. I remember the sharp taste of fresh licorce and dijon mustard. I miss that so much. I always thought I'd end up as a starving writer in Paris then I went into science.
MP |
These young women didn't need incarceration. They weren't criminals. They needed treatment for their drug addiction.
Of course incarceration is obscene, pointless and counterproductive. Indeed it's curious to note that ALL the drugs which are currently demonized, and demon-producing, were perfectly legal (in whatever form they existed in at the time) less than a century ago.
Why wasn't everybody a maddened dope fiend back when a recipe for cough medicine, to be made at home, started with the ingredient "One oz. apothecary of finest Turkish opium"? With said ingredient being obtainable quite legally at any corner drugstore in a town of any size?
Did some people abuse this cough syrup, undoubtedly. And yet it was a personal medical problem, or family one at most. Not a social problem destroying cities and causing death of uninvolved people by random gunfire on a daily basis, despite guns being just as available then as now.
I find this puzzling. Something about it has to do with concentration. People have chewed on coca leaves for ten thousand years or more, but got no ill effects that we know of until it started being processed into concentrated form. Likewise opium. Pot has yet to harm anyone physically. Etc. You can even extend the comparison to sweeteners but that going further with this thought will bore everyone into oblivion.
But it is something to think about. Decriminalization is a first step, but the second will be to find out why so many people feel the need to get high to begin with.
I've often been tempted to go back and get another doctorate in neuroscience so that I could study some of the neurochemical and structural problems that occur in addicted individuals, and how different drugs affect the user--i.e., why are certain individuals drawn to their DOC?
In order to have valid data on that, my guess is that one has to take cravings for money, status and security out of that equation, i.e., removing the social status markers that are psychological adjuncts of addiction.
But, I would guess that, after all that, one would still have a core 5% of the population which are addictive personalities, for a complex set of social and biological reasons.
It's always been with us. It's only been in the last few decades that we've decided, mostly for political purposes, that we will treat this syndrome as criminal in nature.
Mmmmmmmmmm... Lay's Potato Chips!
Calling Bert Lahr...
America is Bush's payday lender and Bush has arranged the payoff date for some time past his employment date.
OT: Los Campesinos You! Me! Dancing!...
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I always thought I'd end up as a starving writer in Paris
I read The Sun Also Rises and A Moveable Feast in my twenties. It was no coincidence I gave up the chance at a "real" job right out of college, to fuck around and drink too much and be underemployed for two years in an attempt to write a great book.
A.
I'm gonna write the Great Surveyors Book...
Just sayin'.
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Good evening, peeps!!! Or, rather, morning ..... I'm in Oslo. It never gets dark here. My body is so confused!!
Athenae's here !!! Wheeeee!
Hey there!
Oslo!
Is it cold?
A.
Umm, a little sidetrack on this addiction business. For a goodly part of the 19th century and a healthy part of the 18th century, in this country, alcoholism was endemic. It was a way of life, particularly in urban areas, because, first, the water was foul and couldn't be trusted, and second, after water treatment was made an integral part of public services, there was a preexisting bias against municipal water. People drank alcohol because it didn't kill them, like the water did.
Now, today, that's not the case. Alcoholism is a much smaller problem, proportionally, than it was. But, it's still there. The answer might not be solely in brain chemistry, or in social extrema, but, given that humans are imperfect creatures, we'll always have the problem.
If we compound that imperfection with high moral priggishness, we get the result we have now--the highest percentage of citizens incarcerated in the world.
Hi spocko!
I have the worst insomnia lately. Drinking has not helped this.
A.
Athenae speaking of great books. I'm reading Winter's Tail at your recommendation. It's brilliant and surprisingly fast moving.
Heya SoBe! Whatcha be doin' in the land of the Midnight Sun? Vacay I hope, if work then not too arduous.
I started to ask you to visit something for me then remembered it was in Copenhagen not Oslo. Geography and alcohol do not mix well.
I read The Sun Also Rises and A Moveable Feast in my twenties. It was no coincidence I gave up the chance at a "real" job right out of college, to fuck around and drink too much and be underemployed for two years in an attempt to write a great book.
A.
Athenae | Homepage | 06.01.08 - 1:52 am | #
Yeah, but where does great literature come from. Sacrifice. At least you tried.
Spocko, it sat on my shelf at home for almost a year before I picked it up and now I pimp that fucking thing to everyone I know. It makes me dizzy, it's so brilliant.
I'm a little in love with the character of Harry Penn, and a LOT in love with Virginia Gamely.
A.
No, it's quite warm actually. Hot. It's 25-degrees! That's warmer than Barcelona was yesterday. IT's very weird.
Friday I went to a reading of names in Justin Herman Plaza of the vets who died in California.
I did a blog post on it, the part I left out was the heavy duty metaphor.
While reading the names of some vets that died in Iraq three of the 8 flags flying behind the podium got blown over by the wind. Now, I know we caught it on tape, and maybe it's a hoary cliche, but seriously wind knocking down America flags while they are reading the names of the dead in Bush's pet war.
It would be interesting to get the footage, and contact the people whose names were read in the moment the flags were knocked down.
"Do you believe in an afterlife?"
Heya SoBe! Whatcha be doin' in the land of the Midnight Sun? Vacay I hope, if work then not too arduous.
It is vay-kay Xan, thanks. Although yesterday my friend tore a ligament in her ankle and had to go to the doctor. So I got to see Norway's healthcare system up close. OMG. 2 hours from start to finish, no long waits in a crowded hospital waiting room like in the states. The best part? It was FREE. Everything. No charge for the x-rays, the crutches, the treatment.
The medication was not free. I was scared. everything here is so fucking expensive. But her pain pills were SIX DOLLARS for 20 pills. OMG that's the cheapest thing we've found here. A bottle of water is $5!
scott mcclellan will be bill o'reilly's punching bag on Monday night. I almost feel sorry for the guy except this was entirely predictable.
Funny it took Obama 20 years to quit his church. It's not like the church just changed. He either believes and supports the racist crap from that church, or he just joined for political reasons and is not really Christian.
I can't really tell, to tell ya the truth.
(can someone say 'Manchurian Candidate'?)
OMG do the trolls never sleep?
Time to hit the showers. Just wanted to check in with you guys!!!
Southern Beale, tonight over dinner I was talking to a couple about universal health care. The Husband was very well versed in the issue. He was working on some letters to the local paper about it.
It was interesting he said that my man Dennis K's plan was the best. And then in the next breath how it would never come to pass because of the 3 million plus jobs in the insurance industry. Who would fight it tooth and nail.
Jeez, is this place a clearing house for drug users, or what? No wonder you get so many crazed opinions.
I feel like a guy selling roses in a fishmarket here.
Over and out, y'all.
It would be interesting to get the footage, and contact the people whose names were read in the moment the flags were knocked down.
"Do you believe in an afterlife?"
Spocko is Not on Main Core
That's pretty interesting, isn't it?
GODFAIL
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And here I was about to decide it was late enough I could shut down killfile and go back to nice speedy reliable IE.
Oh well. Teh stupid, it never seems to sleep.
I feel like a guy selling roses in a fishmarket here.
Over and out, y'all.
Texaschilibean | 06.01.08 - 2:08 am | #
I'd like to fist this mofo, with a tuna.
Hi spocko!
I have the worst insomnia lately. Drinking has not helped this.
A.
Athenae
Hey Athenae!!
Friday I went to a reading of names in Justin Herman Plaza of the vets who died in California.
Mondfay we took the kids to Westside Park, where adjacent to it was the Veterans For Peace demo, whereby they place a coated styrofoam headstone of each and every American killed in Afghanistan and Irag along th sidewalk, with flags planted next to all the Floridians.
the road has a public art piece, there permanently, of all 9 planets, their distance from the Sun determined geometrically. gives death a certain measure.
my kids are too young to get it. we got it for them.
Obama '08
And then in the next breath how it would never come to pass because of
the 3 million plus jobs in the insurance industry. Who would fight it
tooth and nail.
Spocko, I concede that is a problem, although I wonder about that number: are all those 3 million working in HEALTH insurance or the industry as a whole?
Nobody is proposing to stop the "free market" from handling life insurance, car insurance, home insurance, etc. Insurance is simply not the correct model for handling medical care. As SoBe's friend's experience in Norway points out.
The problem seems more likely to be the profit made from that portion of the business. Having known some people who have worked in medical insurance (claims approval and the like) I doubt that much of the hideous overrun of expense is going to them. Nor that they really like turning people down for needed care all that much. The problem your friend cites is overcome-able.
The problem your friend cites is overcome-able.
The answer is in SiCKO. The government needs to start getting scared of the citizens again, instead of the citizens being scared of government.
From that, all else follows.
"Warehouse 'em" was the call back in the Reagan years, and it's certainly the call during the Chimpy years.
Jesus came down to earth and spoke at a Methodist church. He gave his usual speech, "Love God. Love your neighbor. He told this story about who your neighbor was and explained how if he had to tell the story over again the Samaritan would probably be a Muslim. Then he talked about not killing others. He repeated the juicy parts of the beatitudes. Forgive your enemies, turn the other cheek. For a big finish he told the story about the accused woman and about others casting stones."
As he looked out in the audience he noticed two very powerful people. People who had been coming to this church for years. He talked to them personally after the service. One of the powerful people said.
"Look, just because someone hears a preacher say something in church doesn't mean he will follow what he has to say.
I've heard your message for decades and I don't follow what YOU say and I'm the President of the most powerful country in the world."
Jesus looked at him and said, "Go to hell George."
George said,"Wait a minute what about that stuff you said about a merciful God!"
Jesus said, "You didn't believe in the other stuff I said, why did you believe that part?"
(can someone say 'Manchurian Candidate'?)
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50 years from now when his grandchildren ask, Texaschilibean will say, "Come gather 'round little children and let me tell you about that Barak. Yes I was there, all the rallies and speeches. There was something truly electrifying about it. Others felt the same way. You just knew change was on its way. ha ha They said I had drank the kool-aid, a popular phrase back then. But no...no, we knew. And Barak went on to heal this country, brought our troops home and made us energy independent in peace and prosperity ever since."
Insurance is simply not the correct model for handling medical care.
it always makes me laugh at how my little brother would rai against the "racket" that is insurance.
then he became a radiologist. talk about ideology.
Funny how the Fifth Amendment gets all important, when non-poor folks invoke it.
George said,"Wait a minute what about that stuff you said about a merciful God!"
Jesus said, "You didn't believe in the other stuff I said, why did you believe that part?"
Holy shit, you should pardon the expression. I'm gonna start getting my theology from you and ignoring RMJ, who gets all theoretical and technical and I mostly don't understand anyway. You do a hell of a sermon there sir.
I doubt that much of the hideous overrun of expense is going to them
Earth to immigrant Exxon/Mobil franchise outlet operator: All Your Receipts Belongz to Us
sometimes i think the diehard hillary supporters are cut from the same cloth as the bush believers. neither group will see the truth no matter how clear it gets. they're idealogues, all of them. dem or republican, doesn't matter.
it's so funny being called a cultist by these people.
well not ha ha funny. sick and stupid funny.
Every day they let Karl Rove thumb his nose as a Congressional supeona, is another day the Dems look like shit.
They have the fucking Constitutional power to put that cynical fuck in jail for telling them to fuck off.
Why, on God's green earth don't they do it?
But no...no, we knew. And Barak went on to heal this country, brought our troops home and made us energy independent in peace and prosperity ever since."
incog hussein
And it's funny, nobody seems to remember the name of his opponent in the general election. He, along with the Republican party, were pummeled into the dustbin of history by the biggest voter revolt ever seen in America, before or since.
Democracy, bitchez!!
From your keyboard to the Goddesses' monitors Incog.
Night all.
Is there ANYTHING that George W. Bush's thugs, present or past, that will piss off Nancy Pelosi?
Speaker Pelosi and Majority Leader Reid are in their 60's and 70's. Put your careers on the line and make a stand.
Jesus Christ, what are you waiting for? You're both well taken care of, for the rest of your lives. C'mon.
GodDAMN, it's frustrating.
Thank's Xan.
Jesus = story teller
Jesus had no problem telling hypocrites to "go to hell"
The right loves to talk about 'the angry Jesus' but they really miss what he was angry ABOUT.
So do you think he would be pissed off at someone who used their faith to profit from war and death? Hmmm. Let's go to the text...
By the way, the best book I ever got about the New Testament was from
Stephen Mitchell, The Gospel According to Jesus: A new translation and guide to his essential teaching.
Mitchell is a poet, a Jew and a translator of great spiritual texts.
(The Tao for one)He is also practices vipassana meditation (I met him at at a vipassana retreat in Marin)
He so clearly stripped away all the dross from the gospels. In the book he points out that he wasn't the first to do this. He talks about the Jefferson Bible where Jefferson did the same.
Also at the time I attended a meeting of the Jesus seminar at Graduate Theological Union in Berkeley. They also confirmed via a textual and literary criticism and analysis that the stories that Mitchell selected for his essential teachings for his book were the same that they selected. They included things like The Good Samaritan, and the Prodigal son but didn't include some of the judgmental Jesus stuff that was put into his mouth by the early church.
So I'm pretty clear on what Jesus probably actually said. But even I didn't have a video tape recorder.
But of course GW could watch Jesus on "the TV screen" and still wouldn't change what does.
Texaschilibean
incog hussein
the great-ass troll convergence of 2008 - I am very concerned people ...
“I do my prayer in my house because we closed the synagogue from the war until now. If we open it, it will be a target,” he wrote, adding later: “I have no future here, I can’t marry, there is no girl. I can’t put my kova on my head out of the house. If I’m out of Iraq, I’ll share with people in all our feasts and do my prayer in the synagogue and will be with my family.”
Now in his early 40s, he exists as anonymously and discreetly as he can. He cannot reliably hide his religion: it is stamped on his official identity card, which he must present at any security checkpoint. So he stays mainly in his own neighborhood, protected by Muslim neighbors who have been family friends for decades.
Um, Roll That Stone...
Great song.
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Jesus is a myth.
http://www.pharmacratic-inquisit...ition.com/main/
He cannot reliably hide his religion: it is stamped on his official identity card, which he must present at any security checkpoint.
God Bless George W. Bush.
Bushism of the Day
By Jacob Weisberg
Posted Friday, May 16, 2008, at 5:27 PM ET
"I'll be long gone before some smart person ever figures out what happened inside this Oval Office."—Washington, D.C., May 12, 2008
Dear. Fucking. God.
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He cannot reliably hide his religion: it is stamped on his official identity card, which he must present at any security checkpoint.
God Bless George W. Bush.
So much for democracy, eh?
Jesus is a myth.
Myths are often true, even when they never happened.
"I'll be long gone before some smart person ever figures out what happened inside this Oval Office."—Washington, D.C., May 12, 2008
Dear. Fucking. God.
As I've said before, that should have been a personal challenge to every member of the Washington press corps, but, so far, nothing.
Messiah Jiveass McGovern Obama:
"Count my votes, whether they're there or not..."
Mess Jiveturkey McBush:
"You cunt!"
Deaths in Iraq plunge
BAGHDAD (AP) - U.S. military deaths plunged in May to the lowest monthly level in more than four years and civilian casualties were down sharply, too, as Iraqi forces assumed the lead in offensives in three cities and a truce with Shiite extremists took hold.
U.S. military deaths plunged in May to the lowest monthly level in more than four years and civilian casualties were down sharply, too
The US is no longer supporting the terrorists in Iraq.
They're too busy ginning up terrorists from Iran.
Messiah Jiveass McGovern Carter Obama:
"why can't they fucking double-count me in Florida like they did Gore...?"
"Count my votes, whether they're there or not..."
Lubeyanker, you're just plain scared, aren't you? You think a black President means taking orders from a black man, don't you?
That would only be true if you were in the military, and he were your commander-in-chief, but, you're quite safe from that eventuality, aren't you?
Pussy.
Hitler-loving Jerkhole McBush Cunt Bomb Iran:
"why can't they fucking spit comb my hair the way they did wolfowitz...?"
make no mistake: America is demanding a black liberation socialist for POTUS!!
"why can't they fucking spit comb my hair the way they did wolfowitz...?"
Because there's not enough of it.
make no mistake: America is demanding a black liberation socialist for POTUS!!
And that scares the whiz out of you, doesn't it, half-assed piker?
meanwhile, Montag, take your orders from whoever has, uh, access to your ass, poofter dude
Spocko, have you read Stephen Mitchell's translations of Rilke?
America knows all about Messiah Jimmy McGovern Jiveass Obama!
America is demanding a senile fascist Manchurian candidate for POTUS!
America craves a black liberation socialist Chicago social worker for POTUS!
America craves a honkey slave to Bushonomics & war without end!
meanwhile, Montag, take your orders from whoever has, uh, access to your ass, poofter dude
My ass is my own, thanks. Unlike you, who has bent over for god knows how many Bush toadies.
You have a serious thinking problem, sir.
Your fears are manifest, and what you can't admit to yourself, you believe you can hide for others.
You're just plain flat scared without Dear Leader in charge of your every thought.
Like I said, you're a pussy. Just plain scared of everything. Without George to tell you when to shit, you'd probably explode.
Americans, from sea to shining sea, crave a jiveass black Chicago socialist machine-politician for POTUS!!
yeah!
montag:
shove your lame jiveass anal-ysis where your sun just don't shine, asshole
American fascists crave a cancerous whitey Washington insider cripple for POTUS!!
yeah!
Dimocrats:
please nominate the jiveass Chicago black liberation socialist for POTUS!
We did.
Try getting your boyfriend Ann Coulter to support McCain!
Dimocrats:
stay with your lemming ways! Nominate the jivesass Chicago black liberation socialist! Please!
shove your lame jiveass anal-ysis where your sun just don't shine, asshole
Ah, prickly, eh?
Yanker, you're a glob of snail shit on the sole of my shoe. You're afraid of everything. You're afraid of yourself. You're even afraid of the people you most admire in life--especially the people you most admire.
You're a follower of dictatorial assholes, and you always have been, all your life. You're scared of everybody. The first time someone said to you, "think for yourself," your testicles shriveled.
You keep coming here because, deep down, you want to be humiliated.
You aren't a man in any sense of the word.
You're the right wing's part-time assistant deputy worm.
And, you're suited for the job.
Luby, if you don't return what you stole from the set on Saturday, your precious bottom is toast.
How can you laugh, when you know I'm gaii? How can you laugh?
Dimocrats:
disenfranchising FL and MI!
you g-g-g-g-go, D-D-D-D-D-Dimocrats!
Seriously, I'm here, I'm queer, somebody feed me one.
I'm voting for the guy with the biggest facial tumor in November.
He's got the squirrel vote sewn up!
Go geriatric chipmunks!!!!
hi, i'm in LA.....
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montag:
no, coming here is merely pygmy-hunting, you asswipe "progressive"
"progressive" = aren't you special!
Lubeyanker is another one of my sockpuppets, just like stuntwoman.
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whatever, you pathetic Obama-sucking twats..
see video: Chris Hedges: It's Insane to Attack Iran, Devastating Consequences
lubyanka are you male or female?
A McCain presidency would mean excellent profits for Depends.
GO, DIAPER PARTY!!!!
chris hedges is lost in a vast field of left-wingers' money
okay, fuck it.
hello. goodbye!
Looks like the street price of meth is down again
Hello/goodbye Sarah
*** HI BRIAN! LOL! STILL INSTALLING KITCHEN CABINETS? LOL ***
Fhew, some serious stinkage here
more of the bat-shit crazy from jeralyn merritt - sad to see otherwise fellow travellers going off the deepend.
The way I see it, the DNC cannot change the numbers of votes cast the way it did delegates. These were certified state elections with firm vote totals. Barack Obama removed himself voluntarily from the ballot. Hillary has to be allotted her votes, and he has to accept the consequences of his action, which is that he gets none of the popular vote in Michigan.
As a result, by any count, Hillary Clinton now leads in the popular vote.
Hillary has confirmed the worst stereotype of her -- rules-bending power-hungry. You lost... get over it, work for the party nominee.
Lubey can't decide for himself what he is.... That's the way he has to go through life. A hopelessly confused little shit with a small vocabulary and a fear of everything and everyone.
I've decided he keeps coming back here because everyone here treats him better than his acquaintances in real life.
Yanker, you're a sad little Platyhelminthes.
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