I'm waiting for a Sarah Palin commemerative plate to appear.
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It's just me again! |
11.29.08 - 8:14 am | #
This is starting to piss me off:
(so much so I'm repeating myself)
EJ Dionne:
Obama's national security choices are already causing grumbling from parts of the antiwar left, even if Obama made clear six years ago that while he was with them on Iraq, he was not one of them.
Ironically, Obama is likely to show more fidelity to George H.W. Bush's approach to foreign affairs than did the former president's own son. That's change, maybe even change we can believe in, but it's not the change so many expected.
this false narrative is taking hold. It's like a McCain zombie lie--it turns out the Obama isn't a socialist pacifist.
jayackroyd |
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11.29.08 - 8:15 am | #
diversion complete
daemon |
11.29.08 - 8:16 am | #
And the media has discovered the WH is evil! welcome to the crowd.
Screw the snowmobiles in national parks - give them X-country skies or snowshoes and let them walk.
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It's just me again! |
11.29.08 - 8:17 am | #
One of my favorite musical numbers is Dean Martin singing, "I'm the Enchilada Man!"
plantsman |
11.29.08 - 8:17 am | #
Chasm dividing Americans over birth certificate widens
WND ^ | November 28, 2008
The chasm between those who want President-elect Barack Obama to produce his birth certificate to verify his eligibility to hold the nation's highest office and those who simply support the Democrat is widening.
The chasm is between the insane and the non (insane).
Lime Rickey |
11.29.08 - 8:18 am | #
I'm waiting for a Sarah Palin commemerative plate to appear
I've got plenty of trap loads for my shotgun.
Buy as many as you can & we'll have big fun with them.
Barndog, snow master |
11.29.08 - 8:20 am | #
give them X-country skies or snowshoes and let them walk.
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It's just me again!
and ride the meese.
Ruth |
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11.29.08 - 8:20 am | #
i really don't understand the obession about the birth cert. really, i don't. the man's mother was an american, he was born in america. why does it even merit speaking of? i guess i don't watch enough fox news.
chicago dyke, sewing |
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11.29.08 - 8:21 am | #
I'm waiting for a Sarah Palin commemerative plate to appear.
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It's just me again!
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Including a faint upper lip-stache?
Nancy Willing |
11.29.08 - 8:21 am | #
this false narrative is taking hold. It's like a McCain zombie lie--it turns out the Obama isn't a socialist pacifist.
jayackroyd
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from below:
It's not like the right nutjobs NEED a comforting, lulling assurance that the lefties are getting 'screwed'.
They NEED to continue to have their ideo-methodology thoroughly discredited.
Nancy Willing |
11.29.08 - 8:22 am | #
The GOP shills on MSNBC have been getting more and more strident and less conciliatory toward Obama.
plantsman |
11.29.08 - 8:24 am | #
Jesus H.... I had way too much fun at Bell's Brewery last night.
Meaning the victim was black? But so were a lot of the shoppers.
I don't think color mattered here. They wanted cheap stuff.
Buckeye .... |
11.29.08 - 8:26 am | #
Kos' Dana Houle on CSpan
Ruth |
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11.29.08 - 8:27 am | #
So what's happening is Harper put up a "stimulus budget" that was nothing of the sort, but rather a cover for his right wing agenda-- took the right to strike away from public employees, cut social programs, cut funding for political parties.
And so, for the first time ever, NDP and Liberal leaders are having talks of forming a coalition government. If they come to agreement, as early as Monday they could defeat Harper's government in parliament and bring a coalition government into power within days.
Moe Szyslak, eiditer |
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11.29.08 - 8:27 am | #
plantsman has Facebook mail.
Molly Ivors |
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11.29.08 - 8:27 am | #
The latest I've heard is that the stupid Dems have taken away the power for the president to order an assassination ala James Bond, so we are in more danger of a terrorist attack. College educated peeps. Must be a new email talking point.
qlª - more lefty than you |
11.29.08 - 8:28 am | #
Tweety, remember when you said that Gore "would lick the bathroom floor to become president"?
There went your chances of becoming a Democratic senator from PA.
Lime Rickey |
11.29.08 - 8:28 am | #
i liked the roseanne show - showed middle-class america (actually john goodman was teh more realistic middle-class dad than roseanne was mom, she was too "screwed on straight" to play the average middle-class mom)
mogwai |
11.29.08 - 8:28 am | #
More blatant in its disregard for propriety; we are in serious trouble when one of the standard bearers of conservative thought becomes a cheerleader for excess.
This, more than anything, has me convinced of how close we are to a complete meltdown.
Shared Humanity |
11.29.08 - 8:29 am | #
I had no idea "The NEW Dick Van Dyke Show" lasted 71 episodes. And a vast majority of them were written by Carl Reiner.
that's really exciting, Moe. best wishes to your northern libruls!
chicago dyke, sewing |
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11.29.08 - 8:30 am | #
Molly has FB mail back.
plantsman |
11.29.08 - 8:31 am | #
written by Carl Reiner.
thanks for that!
CR is a geeneeoos. of the first order, comedically speaking.
chicago dyke, sewing |
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11.29.08 - 8:31 am | #
So what's happening is Harper put up a "stimulus budget" that was nothing of the sort, but rather a cover for his right wing agenda-- took the right to strike away from public employees, cut social programs, cut funding for political parties.
He must have mistaken winning more seats in the last election (yet still less than 40% of the vote) with having broad public support for his policies.
I can only imagine what he'd try with a real working majority government. I'm glad the mask has come off now.
SteveNS |
11.29.08 - 8:31 am | #
i really don't understand the obession about the birth cert.
we're talking about rightwing fux. they are a borg without conscience or logic; the rightwing fux are like those shoppers at that walmart - mindless and could care less.
mogwai |
11.29.08 - 8:32 am | #
Gah.
I think they're might be something wrong with my macbook or my fucking cable company is trying to jack me again.
I keep getting that pinwheel thingy.
HoneyBearKellyGoGiants |
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11.29.08 - 8:32 am | #
I'm a little surprised the illegal alien aunt didn't take as a meme. I'm sure they are too.
Molly Ivors |
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11.29.08 - 8:32 am | #
damn, shared... that's some serious cynicism in that chitrib editorial.
stoat |
11.29.08 - 8:33 am | #
CR is a geeneeoos. of the first order, comedically speaking.
HBK, sometimes older versions of Safari would hang up for me, and I'd have to Force Quit when I could.
It had something to do with an old version of the Adobe Flash Player.
plantsman |
11.29.08 - 8:34 am | #
In an aside that drew laughter, Ammiano began his remembrance with an imaginary meeting.
"I can just imagine Harvey Milk and Sarah Palin," he said, referring to the Republican vice presidential candidate and governor of Alaska.
"Hate your politics," he said, continuing with the reverie, "Love your shoes!"
I miss George Moscone.
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QuentinCompson, Negatory |
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11.29.08 - 8:34 am | #
America, do what you do best: Plunder stores like those feral brides-to-be who rush the floor at Filene's Basement to grab those deeply discounted wedding gowns.
Leave no store untrammeled.
There probably isn't one American in a million who can understand exactly how this financial mess happened. But we do know this much: America started this economic mess. And Americans can end it. See you at the mall.
People have no money, and no credit.
Is this editorial encouraging people to steal?
SteveNS |
11.29.08 - 8:35 am | #
I've never met Carl Reiner.
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Jeffraham Prestonian |
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11.29.08 - 8:35 am | #
I've got plenty of trap loads for my shotgun.
I'm pretty sure deer season (shotgun) opened here this morning. Sounds like WW2 out there.
billy b |
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11.29.08 - 8:35 am | #
I hated the kid on the Dick Van Dyke Show.
plantsman |
11.29.08 - 8:36 am | #
plantsman I use firefox and it's even happening with iTunes.
This laptop isn't even a year old.
HoneyBearKellyGoGiants |
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11.29.08 - 8:36 am | #
I once was face-to-face with Reiner and Mel Brooks at a book signing
/seething with jealousy/
all i've ever wanted is a jewish comedianne gf. seriously. or a sexy, yiddish speaking dropout from a reformed rabbi skool. or both, they're mostly of the same script.
chicago dyke, sewing |
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11.29.08 - 8:36 am | #
Snowmobiles aren't important economically. They're important psychologically.
The right's idea of freedom, I occasionally say, is the freedom to blow their cigar smoke in your face. The notion that a screaming, oil-burning machine might be fun isn't the whole story. The image of a lefty tree-hugger peacefully trekking through the quiet, long sight lines and severe beauty of a winter, looking appalled as a snowmobile runs by, scattering wildlife and wounding the landscape, is just too sweet to resist.
Think about the regularity with which the right gratuitously seeks out opportunities to act along these lines. Think of the gun shows, the wingnut thriller scenarios, the potted science, the rejection of non-military diplomacy with your opponents, on and on. It's entirely nuts, all of it, just nuts. And when one objects, one is ridiculed as being unrealistic, politically correct, a traitor, a girly man or an enemy of freedom.
ProfWombat |
11.29.08 - 8:37 am | #
billy b: I'm pretty sure deer season (shotgun) opened here this morning. Sounds like WW2 out there.
I wouldn't have thought a shotgun would be a good deer hunting weapon.
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Jeffraham Prestonian |
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11.29.08 - 8:37 am | #
I'm pretty sure deer season (shotgun) opened here this morning. Sounds like WW2 out there
(picturing chidyke as Amy Irving in Yentl)
Molly Ivors |
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11.29.08 - 8:38 am | #
"Hate your politics," he said, continuing with the reverie, "Love your shoes!"
i'll admit it. that made me laugh.
i'll also admit to laughing at kinky friedman's comment, uncomfortably soon after milk's murder: "what were harvey's last words? hey, dan... is that a pistol in your pocket or are ya just happy to see me?"
i try not to be a bad person, mostly. but my funny bone links up to some questionable joints, still.
I was actually weighing the cost benefit ratio of hunting deer last week. Just as oil prices dropped, we just got hit with a 10.2% hike in electrical bills by our provider.
I figured out the hunting wasn't worth it. You can take 6 deer a year but the season is so small that you have no way to store 6 in one stand up freezer.
The cost of equipment, license, transportation, etc made it at best a wash.
I need to find somebody here who shoots the limit and is willing to give away some meat.
trifecta |
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11.29.08 - 8:38 am | #
who wants some squab?
the sun is up, it must be time for me to make a squab and cheese thanksgiving leftover omelet. the scallops and bacon are gone, but i bet i can find some grease to cook the eggs in...
chicago dyke, sewing |
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11.29.08 - 8:38 am | #
I wouldn't have thought a shotgun would be a good deer hunting weapon.
About all ya get is 100 yards with it. Slugs and buckshot are pretty accurate through thick underbrush.
Barndog, snow master |
11.29.08 - 8:38 am | #
I wouldn't have thought a shotgun would be a good deer hunting weapon.
As ProfWombat notes, it's a psychological necessity.
Molly Ivors |
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11.29.08 - 8:39 am | #
There probably isn't one American in a million who can understand exactly how this financial mess happened.
just yesterday, my mortgage bank (chase) sent me a letter telling me i could fold all my debt into a new 30-year mortgage, AIN'T THAT GREAT? i can take my now 3 year car loan and fold it into a brand new and shiny 30-year mortgage; that's BRILLIANT, so instead of paying for the car for 3 more years, i can pay for it for the next 30 years.
that's how we got into this mess: too many fucking moron americans who did just that.
mogwai |
11.29.08 - 8:39 am | #
/seething with jealousy/
The other stupid thing i did that day was, I brought my camera and took a picture of the two signing my book - BUT I WASN'T IN THE PICTURE!
I wouldn't have thought a shotgun would be a good deer hunting weapon.
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Jeffraham Prestonian |
It's a rifled slug, (or whatever they call it).
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It's just me again! |
11.29.08 - 8:39 am | #
The consumer economy is founded on excess. The majority of stuff out there is stuff you don't need, stuff that replaces other stuff, like that. Without excess, the whole thing dies.
No point in denying it. Look around at the stores in the mall, in a Big Box, and think about just how superfluous the vast majority of that stuff is to a life well lived.
ProfWombat |
11.29.08 - 8:40 am | #
I wouldn't have thought a shotgun would be a good deer hunting weapon.
i can take my now 3 year car loan and fold it into a brand new and shiny 30-year mortgage
I know alot of folks who buy new cars and just roll them into their mortgage. Either that, or they peel off equity to pay for said vehicle.
Been happening for years - it ain't new.
Barndog, snow master |
11.29.08 - 8:41 am | #
Barry Crimmins did a post about deer hunting last week that had me in tears.
Not happy ones, alas.
HoneyBearKellyGoGiants |
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11.29.08 - 8:41 am | #
OK, time to go to the gym.
SteveNS |
11.29.08 - 8:41 am | #
Think about the regularity with which the right gratuitously seeks out opportunities to act along these lines.
escapism. it's sad.
mogwai |
11.29.08 - 8:42 am | #
OK, time to go to the gym
If people had to run or walk to the gym... there'd be less people going to use them.
Barndog, snow master |
11.29.08 - 8:42 am | #
HBK, have you run "Software Update" in a while?
plantsman |
11.29.08 - 8:44 am | #
(picturing chidyke as Amy Irving in Yentl)
Molly Ivors |
heh. i wish i could describe to you my hebrew student-teacher, debbi green. she had it all. slim, olive, those lips! and a brain you could make a nation out of...
bleh, there's this silly japanese movie on and i should go watch it. the strap marks on my ass are itching, and i need to put some almond oil on them and get some sleep. g'morning, peeps. happy holiday weekend to y'all. it's good that you're all so understanding of disagreement; it must be so...boring to be a zombie on the right.
chicago dyke, sewing |
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11.29.08 - 8:44 am | #
from dead-threaded, long wordy comment:
The fatal Wal-Mart riot is an easy metaphor for the fatal consequences of capitalism across the board. I increasingly wonder about how the endless ring-around-the-rosy of money multiplying in search of useless stuff remains sustainable if it isn't growing, like the Ponzi scheme it so often seems to be reducible to. And yet, all those jobs, all those people interlinked together. People need income to buy organic produce so maybe the land won't be quite so poisoned, as well as to buy flat-screen TVs. I'm not much of an economist, and am philosophically and temperamentally isolated from the consumer culture. But it's very real, and a designed reorganization of the world along lines I'd find more congenial and humanistic, something I think desperately needs to be done, is a dream I find few, if any, successful examples of. It's disconcerting to hear about free-market fantasies and poke holes in them without offering the confident youthful fantasies I had of the New Socialist Man (and Woman, I'd add later) marching arm-in-arm to feed the starving, build the TVA and defeat Hitler, and end poverty and extreme wealth, Allen Menschen werden Bruder, wo dein sanfter Flugel weit, like that. But there it is.
ProfWombat |
11.29.08 - 8:44 am | #
I mean, we went out and got a $25 DVD player for the 5th wheel, and a couple things we needed yesterday.
Like winter coats.
Barndog, snow master |
11.29.08 - 8:46 am | #
After first saying that they could not determine a threshold for the safe amount of certain toxic chemicals in infant formula, Food and Drug Administration officials said Friday that trace amounts are safe.
"Amounts of the industrial chemical melamine or the melamine-like compound called cyanuric acid that 1,000 parts per billion] do not raise public health concerns," said Stephen Sundlof, the FDA's director of the Center for Food Safety and Applied Nutrition.
Among the 74 final test results discussed Friday, the FDA said, two samples of Nestle's Good Start Supreme Infant Formula with Iron tested positive for melamine at levels of 137 and 140 parts per billion, well below the level of concern cited by Sundlof.
In addition, three samples of Mead Johnson's infant powder, Enfamil LIPIL with Iron, tested positive for cyanuric acid at an average of 247 parts per billion, also well below the FDA trace level.
trifecta |
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11.29.08 - 8:47 am | #
If people had to run or walk to the gym... there'd be less people going to use them.
Hey, I'm biking to the gym!
Yes, it's almost December and I'm still biking.
SteveNS |
11.29.08 - 8:47 am | #
It had something to do with an old version of the Adobe Flash Player.
plantsman
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That is my current bane. AFP won't load the new version and keeps hanging me up EVERYWHERE I go.
Nancy Willing |
11.29.08 - 8:47 am | #
ProfWombat | 11.29.08 - 8:37 am | #
I just love the way you are able to easily connect seemingly disconnected facts and behaviors. Out of most of your posts come a little bit of understanding.
Shared Humanity |
11.29.08 - 8:47 am | #
The National Yiddish Theatre-Folksbiene will hold a tribute to actor/writer/producer legend Carl Reiner at a gala benefit concert on Tuesday, June 17, at 8 p.m. at Town Hall in Manhattan.
Mary Tyler Moore, whose career as a TV star took off after Reiner cast her in the role of Laura Petrie on The Dick Van Dyke Show, will headline the roster of entertainment icons — including Theodore Bikel, Fyvush Finkel, Jerry Stiller and Anne Meara, and Renee Taylor — appearing at the event. NBC Nightly News’ Brian Williams — a self-described Yiddish enthusiast — will serve as master of ceremonies.
I know alot of folks who buy new cars and just roll them into their mortgage. Either that, or they peel off equity to pay for said vehicle.
Been happening for years - it ain't new
yeah, never was a great idea, and in the past 10 years it REALLY accelerated. used to be called 2nd mortgage, now it's HELOC; same shit different day...and you get DEEPER in debt
mogwai |
11.29.08 - 8:47 am | #
Who among us does not adore ProfWombat?
Molly Ivors |
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11.29.08 - 8:48 am | #
your turn Molly
trifecta |
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11.29.08 - 8:49 am | #
same shit different day...and you get DEEPER in debt
I wouldn't have thought a shotgun would be a good deer hunting weapon.
The pop density here rules out rifles. Plus, the deer are all over so they are pretty easy to bring down, at least for the first few days of the season.
billy b |
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11.29.08 - 8:50 am | #
I don't know if my processors are slowing down or what.
I'll call Applecare if it keeps up.
But it could also be my scam artist cable company.
They're trying to push something called internet booster for only $9.95 a month!
HoneyBearKellyGoGiants |
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11.29.08 - 8:50 am | #
yeah, never was a great idea, and in the past 10 years it REALLY accelerated. used to be called 2nd mortgage, now it's HELOC; same shit different day...and you get DEEPER in debt
It didn't help that the govt subsidized this behavior, by making HELOCs deductible but consumer loans not.
jayackroyd |
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11.29.08 - 8:51 am | #
We owe nothing on our house and cars. We wouldn't survive if we did. My salary is quite crappy.
trifecta |
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11.29.08 - 8:51 am | #
But it could also be my scam artist cable company. They're trying to push something called internet booster for only $9.95 a month!
Oh, yeah; Comcast has a new "faster" "Premium-Level" internet service I can't afford and don't want, too.
plantsman |
11.29.08 - 8:52 am | #
The pop density here rules out rifles. Plus, the deer are all over so they are pretty easy to bring down, at least for the first few days of the season.
billy b
Most of Jersey is too flat for rifles as well. A little topography comes in handy.
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It's just me again! |
11.29.08 - 8:52 am | #
Why would you need an internet "booster" if you've got cable?
My point exactly.
But they'll get some to buy it.
Because you know, you must have it.
HoneyBearKellyGoGiants |
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11.29.08 - 8:53 am | #
I find few, if any, successful examples
Well, life's a bitch, and then we die.
The present economic order isn't sustainable. Ultimately, *no* economic order is sustainable so far as any individual goes... there's going to be struggle, misfortune and death, no matter what. Consumerism, like religion, is an attempt to avoid that reality.
Maybe if we could just realize the battle will always be lost, we could get around to treating each other a little more decently.
Moe Szyslak, eiditer |
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11.29.08 - 8:53 am | #
I was at a convenience store last night in line behind two guys who were trying to buy deer licenses. I say trying because one of them was determined to buy licenses for both of them, but first it was just "this deer season" for both, then it was just this deer season for his buddy but "the total deer season" for him, and each time the clerk told him the prices he would recalculate which kind each would get. I think they were out-of-staters.
The point is, this was a convenience store, 'convenience' ya knonw, and this line was getting long. I think the rest of us were beginning to picture these guys hanging from a tree by their heels, draining.
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QuentinCompson, Negatory |
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11.29.08 - 8:54 am | #
We owe nothing on cars, pay cash for them and run each into the ground before replacing. We, however, have a fairly large mortgage (due to the fact that we've provided college educations for our four children using equity)and are at some risk if either of us lose our jobs.
Shared Humanity |
11.29.08 - 8:54 am | #
I was at a convenience store last night in line behind two guys who were trying to buy deer licenses
Quentin - you neglected to mention that, both were probally well intoxicated and, with loaded weapons in their vehicle.
Barndog, snow master |
11.29.08 - 8:56 am | #
Oh well, it is only a house.
Shared Humanity |
11.29.08 - 8:56 am | #
Hmmm...I go to the local 7/11 for milk, bread or ice.
Shared Humanity |
11.29.08 - 8:57 am | #
There isn't a 7/11 for MILES near us anymore.
Southland Corp came and closed them all years back.
Barndog, snow master |
11.29.08 - 8:58 am | #
Prof--
Aren't these problems inherent in systems based on centralized agriculture? That is, to "civilization."
It seems as if the entire history of the spread of centralized agriculture is violence, followed by the establishment of power hierarchies that oppress a majority at the bottom of the hierarchy. The common element of all the resulting economic systems, from the Mayans to the Egyptian empires, to the Soviet or American or European seem to share this quality.
I suppose you can try to point to contemporary Europe, but the post war era has neither been unmarked, nor very long in comparison to more than a thousand years of continuous warfare and accompanying suppression of the peasant class.
jayackroyd |
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11.29.08 - 9:00 am | #
So, while up in the Midland, Michigan area for thanksgiving dinner - I saw this brand new, pimped out Cadillac Escalade... with a "DRILLNOW" license plate.
My wife made me not run it off the road. Midland is home to many, many asshole republicans who work at Dow Chemical Corp.
Barndog, snow master |
11.29.08 - 9:00 am | #
I got an email based on my diary at Orange Satan yesterday.
You are one ingnorant mother fucker. You and your fellow Kosacks are doomed to fail. I will watch with glee....
In the tree off my deck there's a tufted titmouse, a slate junco, a cardinal, and some type of sparrow eating the suet cakes I hang in the trees.
The inventory of birdies that hang around here in the winter is neat.
billy b |
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11.29.08 - 9:01 am | #
Oh, and I got one more.
it's pretty goddamned disgusting of you to offer your pro-union, anti-walmart screed into some story about unruly, mindnumb SHOPPERS, who have so little regard for others, they'll trample someone to get at their cheap flat screen TV deal. It's Walmart's fault and not the people who busted the fucking doors down. Great. You're a cliche.
You are one ingnorant mother fucker. You and your fellow Kosacks are doomed to fail. I will watch with glee....
It's pretty sad when you can tell, with some degree of certainty who posted this into your email.
Barndog, snow master |
11.29.08 - 9:02 am | #
Yes, Barndog, there was that aspect, standard practice any season here.
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QuentinCompson, Negatory |
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11.29.08 - 9:03 am | #
Right. The people who trampled the poor bloke aren't to blame, Wal*Mart made them do it.
plantsman |
11.29.08 - 9:03 am | #
Wow. I would say good morning, but apparently some trolls peed in the punch bowl. Hi, gang -- give me a minute while I catch up.
filkertom |
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11.29.08 - 9:03 am | #
The scores of harried women just drooling and aching to spend money -are pretty fucking scary.
Barndog, snow master |
11.29.08 - 9:04 am | #
Great. You're a cliche.
What a withering insult.
billy b |
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11.29.08 - 9:04 am | #
I mean, while we braved the Black Friday masses, I only saw maybe 4-5 other men out shopping.
Well, except at Gander Mountain.
Barndog, snow master |
11.29.08 - 9:05 am | #
Well, Moe, one way to put is that there are three different critter population models, 1) Cyclical variation, as with rabbit/fox populations 2) exponential followed by a crash, as in bacterial growth in a petri dish 3) exponential growth with no crash, as with humans over the last eight thousand.....
Oh wait. Maybe there ARE just two.
jayackroyd |
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11.29.08 - 9:06 am | #
I suppose you can try to point to contemporary Europe,
Which couldn't exist without the exploited farmland (and farmworkers) of Africa and Asia...
Moe Szyslak, eiditer |
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11.29.08 - 9:06 am | #
The inventory of birdies that hang around here in the winter is neat.
billy b |
It's odd how tufted titmice and chickadees seem to flock around together.
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It's just me again! |
11.29.08 - 9:06 am | #
Barndog, there was that aspect, standard practice any season here
Sad, isn't it? My friends all ask me why I don't hunt anymore (save that they dont think about my physical health - I'd be crippled worse lugging some venison carcass outta the woods).
But, stupidity in large crowds breeds more stupidity. Escpecially when you add alcohol.
Barndog, snow master |
11.29.08 - 9:07 am | #
Sorry for the dick e-mail, trifecta. Jeez, what is it with some people...?
So, while up in the Midland, Michigan area for thanksgiving dinner - I saw this brand new, pimped out Cadillac Escalade... with a "DRILLNOW" license plate.
My wife made me not run it off the road. Midland is home to many, many asshole republicans who work at Dow Chemical Corp.
Barndog, snow master | 11.29.08 - 9:00 am
Oh, that's right. A sizable percentage of the human race is composed of fucktards.
filkertom |
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11.29.08 - 9:07 am | #
Which couldn't exist without the exploited farmland (and farmworkers) of Africa and Asia.
Yeah, Moe, that's the point. Once civilization runs out of hunter/gatherer populations to conquer and convert to centralized agriculture, then what?
jayackroyd |
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11.29.08 - 9:08 am | #
I am likely to go in on a cow next year though. Organic farm raised by the hippy dippy kids at the local college's ag program.
trifecta |
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11.29.08 - 9:08 am | #
There isn't a 7/11 for MILES near us anymore.
Southland Corp came and closed them all years back.
Barndog, snow master | 11.29.08 - 8:58 am
we've got lots of 'em in HK, though the local one closed decades ago.
and the interesting item for the day was coming out of lunch and turning a corner and coming the other direction was Roger Moore 007. (in town pimping his book and doing a signing I guess at the book store around the corner)
Tom - 大肚腩 |
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11.29.08 - 9:08 am | #
I was thinking there might be organic beef raising out Asheville way, trifecta.
plantsman |
11.29.08 - 9:09 am | #
I am likely to go in on a cow next year though. Organic farm raised by the hippy dippy kids at the local college's ag program.
trifecta
Typically how much does one cow (alive on the hoof) cost? I haven't a clue.
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It's just me again! |
11.29.08 - 9:10 am | #
OK, this shit is just not funny. First New York, now California, thank Goddess I live in the midwest.
brand new, pimped out Cadillac Escalade... with a "DRILLNOW" license plate.
Barndog, snow master
Note for placement under windshield wiper:
"Sorry to hear the doctor is ill now--give them my regards to get well soon."
Telegram Sam |
11.29.08 - 9:10 am | #
A sizable percentage of the human race is composed of fucktards.
It's odd how tufted titmice and chickadees seem to flock around together.
Apparently so.
It's only been a year or so that I started putting the suet cakes out and started noticing the variety of birdies. Most are pretty small.
Except for the damn blue jays. I usually run those aggressive bastards off as they scare off the smaller birds.
billy b |
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11.29.08 - 9:11 am | #
In interview with his sister, Bush reflect on his legacy
Houston Chronicle
Even your sister despises you, Dumbya. She may tell you so to your face, but believe me she does.
Lime Rickey |
11.29.08 - 9:11 am | #
My god, I've found a dentist who's open today. I might be able to get this stupid bum tooth taken care of.
filkertom |
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11.29.08 - 9:11 am | #
It's odd how tufted titmice and chickadees seem to flock around together.
They're pretty much the same bird. I think peterson lists chickadees and tits together.
Now I have to go look....
jayackroyd |
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11.29.08 - 9:13 am | #
It's in the $5.50 a pound range for the organic college student grown beef.
You can get it cheaper though.
trifecta |
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11.29.08 - 9:13 am | #
That $5.50 includes the kill fee and the butchering fee.
trifecta |
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11.29.08 - 9:14 am | #
Yeah. Paridae. Titmice and chickadees.
jayackroyd |
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11.29.08 - 9:14 am | #
Once civilization runs out of hunter/gatherer populations to conquer and convert to centralized agriculture, then what?
jayackroyd
I think that agriculture is theoretically sustainable, given small populations and enough reserved wilderness to serve as wildlife preserves, etc.
Moe Szyslak, eiditer |
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11.29.08 - 9:15 am | #
I don't get this birth certificate business. Are they saying that Ann Dunham is not Obama's mother? I mean, if she's his mother, it doesn't matter where he was born...he could have been born in the Andromeda Galaxy and still been a citizen of the USA.
I've seen this all over the right-wing intertubes and spread by people who should know better and vindictive Christianists who are pissed off that their prophets' prophecies didn't come true. This isn't a matter of a lot of votes not being counted--it's a matter of a FANTASY. And a fantasy that affects their guy, McCain, equally.
They're pretty much the same bird. I think peterson lists chickadees and tits together.
I get the black capped and Carolina chickadees also.
billy b |
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11.29.08 - 9:16 am | #
Yeah. Paridae. Titmice and chickadees.
jayackroyd |
Do they cross mate (or whatever the term is)? I've never seen a Titadee.
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It's just me again! |
11.29.08 - 9:17 am | #
Moe- re: coalition government: Holy Crap. I guess I need to check in with Kady O'Malley.
mirele |
11.29.08 - 9:17 am | #
--it's a matter of a FANTASY.
I don't get it!
Apparently, you do.
billy b |
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11.29.08 - 9:18 am | #
Well, gotta go, gang. Hugs all around -- catch you later.
filkertom |
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11.29.08 - 9:19 am | #
Except for the damn blue jays. I usually run those aggressive bastards off as they scare off the smaller birds.
No need! Put an ear of corn out in a squirrel feeder just shy of the bird feeder. The Jays love the corn and will spend hours picking off the kernels. They'll leave the feeder alone, by and large, if there's corn around.
I throw nuts, millet, and pumpkin seeds down under the feeder for the squirrels and doves, and then standard bird food in the feeder, suet on the sides.
It's a pain to set up but works pretty well -- the various animal 'sets' tend to stick to their preferred snacks, and everyone gets to eat.
Oh, and thistle seed for the goldfinches. Gotta have thistle seed.
Snugglebunny |
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11.29.08 - 9:19 am | #
Except for the damn blue jays. I usually run those aggressive bastards off as they scare off the smaller birds.
billy b
Like crows bluejays will eat other birds. Usually nestlings in spring/summer or weakened birds in winter.
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It's just me again! |
11.29.08 - 9:19 am | #
It's just me again!: Do they cross mate (or whatever the term is)? I've never seen a Titadee.
I don't think so, but you know what they say...
"Birds of a feather..."
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Jeffraham Prestonian |
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11.29.08 - 9:19 am | #
You're up, trifecta. Sorry, I was dealing with something else.
Molly Ivors |
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11.29.08 - 9:20 am | #
Do they cross mate (or whatever the term is)? I've never seen a Titadee.
I do not think so. But this means checking Sibley, who lists hybrids. But I meant they are the same size, eat the same seeds, overwinter etc.
jayackroyd |
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11.29.08 - 9:20 am | #
Like crows bluejays will eat other birds. Usually nestlings in spring/summer or weakened birds in winter.
Ravens will also. Every year in the spring, robins nest in a couple of my trees. Ravens have robbed the nests on occasion.
billy b |
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11.29.08 - 9:21 am | #
I leave black-eyed susans and coneflowers standing all winter. The goldfinches eventually pick them clean.
Goldfinch tip - grows a few beet plants if you have a veggie garden. The goldfinches love the leaves.
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It's just me again! |
11.29.08 - 9:22 am | #
Goldfinch tip - grows a few beet plants if you have a veggie garden. The goldfinches love the leaves.
Really? They eat the leaves right off the plant? Or do you put them in a feeder?
Snugglebunny |
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11.29.08 - 9:24 am | #
That $5.50 includes the kill fee and the butchering fee
I think the most I ever paid - pound wise was $3.20 for his organic Black Angus/Limosin beef.
Barndog, snow master |
11.29.08 - 9:27 am | #
Goldfinch tip - grows a few beet plants if you have a veggie garden. The goldfinches love the leaves.
Really? They eat the leaves right off the plant? Or do you put them in a feeder?
Snugglebunny |
They'll come down to the plants. I first discoverd this 25 years ago while visiting my folks. They had bird feeders and a veggie garden with beets. My Dad pointed the behavior out to me.
Obviously they don't eat much but its fun watching them flit around the garden. I think my Mom's cat enjoyed watching then too!
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It's just me again! |
11.29.08 - 9:28 am | #
Obviously they don't eat much but its fun watching them flit around the garden.
Very neat! I will have to try that!
Snugglebunny |
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11.29.08 - 9:30 am | #
Al and Peggy Bundy. Because they were so right for each other.
AlladinsLamp |
11.29.08 - 9:30 am | #
I can't believe it's only Saturday.
ms fahrenheit/stop the wars |
11.29.08 - 9:32 am | #
Chimpy's final TOP TEN to-do list
(10) Finalize pardon list for top 1200 aides.
Don't forget: Self, Cheney, Turdblossom
(9) Spend nostalgic night with Jeff Gannon
( Plan details, final six week Christmas vacation.
(7) Replay favorite video games
(6) Take usual afternoon nap
(5) Tell some lies, ignore some memos…. Maybe start a war
(4) Trash white house
(3) Remove all O's from keyboards
(2)Hey, those documents aren’t going to shred themselves
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AND the final top ten thing for Dumbya to do after he leaves the White House. What else!??
(1) Flee to Paraguay!!!
Dave |
11.29.08 - 9:34 am | #
I can't believe I'm hungover. First time in a few years it's been.
Barndog, snow master |
11.29.08 - 9:34 am | #
I can't believe I'm hungover. First time in a few years it's been.
Barndog, s
Drink a glass of water as needed (every half hour or so).
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It's just me again! |
11.29.08 - 9:36 am | #
Drink a glass of water as needed
Oh, I have. And, I figured the Dilaudid would help with the headache (about gone).
Barndog, snow master |
11.29.08 - 9:37 am | #
here's a cool house in nyc, bought for only 100k or so:
I'm guessing he stops off in Costa Rica to visit his old Enron buddy, Kenneth Lay at his secret walled compound where he went after faking his death.
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It's just me again! |
11.29.08 - 9:38 am | #
"Goldfinch tip - grows a few beet plants if you have a veggie garden."
sunflowers, coneflowers.
jdw |
11.29.08 - 9:38 am | #
Good morning. Trying to befriend the mastiff and mastiff puppy that we see on the morning walk. Got them each to accept a dog treat today, without my dog going bonkers.
If you are close to a full grown mastiff, it's bark is so deep that you can feel it in your chest, like the bass at a reggae show.
Nice dogs, but glad I don't have to feed 'em.
Gromit |
11.29.08 - 9:39 am | #
For those of us who like to flit from one scary story to the next.
No hybrids no. I remember how shocked I was when I found out the degree to which separate species could (and did) interbreed.
jayackroyd |
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11.29.08 - 9:41 am | #
I want a smarter keyboard for Xmas.
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QuentinCompson, Negatory |
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11.29.08 - 9:41 am | #
or those of us who like to flit from one scary story to the next.
It wouldn't be contributed to operator error would it?
Barndog, snow master |
11.29.08 - 9:42 am | #
Attributed.
I know better to try and think on this little coffee.
Barndog, snow master |
11.29.08 - 9:43 am | #
Okay Gromit, you have convinced me to take the dog for a walk today. I just need to dig out that jacket that says, "Don't come near me, I'm a Democrat, and I don't want to talk to you."
ms fahrenheit/stop the wars |
11.29.08 - 9:44 am | #
I remember how shocked I was when I found out the degree to which separate species could (and did) interbreed.
I see that you know my family.
Gromit |
11.29.08 - 9:44 am | #
I just need to dig out that jacket that says, "Don't come near me, I'm a Democrat, and I don't want to talk to you."
Too cold to just wear the Birkenstocks, eh?
Gromit |
11.29.08 - 9:46 am | #
John Oliver (Daily Show ) was on TV earlier - stating that you can purchase an inflatable BBQ (used while on the water).
Can China make such a thing? Yes, and very cheaply also.
The question is - would the chinese people buy such an item
The difference lies in the fact that Americans WANTED such an item to buy. Therein lies the strengths of our economy at work.
LOL I'm used to the stares and whispers, but sometimes people just can't stay away from the dog, ya know?
ms fahrenheit/stop the wars |
11.29.08 - 9:48 am | #
No, as long as you wear some nice wool socks with them. Non-white of course...
Barndog, snow master |
11.29.08 - 9:48 am | #
Nice dogs, but glad I don't have to feed 'em.
The giant breeds are budget-killers as puppies and the growing years, but don't eat much more than 6-7 cups food/day once fully grown. That's not much more than you'd feed a German Shepherd, or other largish dog.
Our Great Dane is a little exceptional, as she still takes 10-12 cups as a 2 year old.
But yeah, the weekly dog food budget exceeds the weekly people food budget. It takes a little getting used to.
Snugglebunny |
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11.29.08 - 9:49 am | #
The consumer economy has to end. We need to have more people farming, making things instead of trying to sell mass produced crap from China.
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inviting, of course, the shrill NOOOOOOOOOO of anti-'protectionists'
1970s Déjà Vu
Creeping protectionism is on the rise.
Nancy Willing |
11.29.08 - 9:49 am | #
Too cold to just wear the Birkenstocks, eh?
Gromit
Slap on some patchouli, just to be sure...
(good morning or night or whatever it is)
racymind |
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11.29.08 - 9:50 am | #
Our oldass German Shepard might eat 2 cups of dry food, with a can (possibly 2) when shes really hungry.
She has also developed this habit of, when the wife finishes eating, she always has something on her plate for the dog & cat.
It can be hysterical watching this sometimes.
Barndog, snow master |
11.29.08 - 9:51 am | #
There were riots in China this past week when a factory shut down that made Nerf balls because our demand for them has dropped.
Nerf balls.
trifecta | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 9:42 am
I went looking for a nerf football on Friday and didn't find one at the local Toys'R'Us. Didn't find any gunmen either.
Tom - 大肚腩 |
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11.29.08 - 9:51 am | #
Errands to run... bbl
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Jeffraham Prestonian |
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11.29.08 - 9:52 am | #
Slap on some patchouli, just to be sure...
Last time I was in the hippie food store where my son cooks, the cashiers were arguing about the merits of various patchouli brands.
Gromit |
11.29.08 - 9:52 am | #
I went looking for a nerf football on Friday and didn't find one at the local Toys'R'Us.
I can't believe you did that. Toy'R Us on Friday? [shudders]
ms fahrenheit/stop the wars |
11.29.08 - 9:53 am | #
Poor Walmart needs a hug today after what happened to it yesterday.
'morning, atriotganders.
megisi |
11.29.08 - 9:56 am | #
I can't believe you did that. Toy'R Us on Friday? [shudders]
ms fahrenheit/stop the wars | 11.29.08 - 9:53 am
It's amazing what the lack of a Thursday Thanksgiving or other holiday does to change the tone of the last Friday in November at ToysRUs.
Tom - 大肚腩 |
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11.29.08 - 9:56 am | #
Deer season starts Monday here. (sits inside watching the last of our 18" of snow melt away, not to be seen for three more weeks again). You gotta love it.
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bluesman,Atlatlcommandoloon |
11.29.08 - 9:56 am | #
Last time I was in the hippie food store where my son cooks, the cashiers were arguing about the merits of various patchouli brands
I think that's taking it a bit too far myself. We old school hippies discuss the finer points of great pot.
And, brain cells lost due to too many hallucinigenics in our younger days.
Barndog, snow master |
11.29.08 - 9:56 am | #
[W]e are in serious trouble when one of the standard bearers of conservative thought [the Chicago Tribune] becomes a cheerleader for excess.
This, more than anything, has me convinced of how close we are to a complete meltdown.
Shared Humanity
I don't see it quite the same way. First off, the so-called conservatives have been cheerleaders for excess since years before Oliver Stone's Wall Street. Excess for them, not for the rest of us. We DFH's have always been the party of moderation and restraint in personal consumption, because we believe that the other person has just as much right to the world's resources as we do. This in my opinion is the fundamental difference between conservatives and liberals: They believe in the elect (and that they are the elect); we do not.
The other thing is that the Chicago Tribune has become a caricature of its former self in the weeks since Sam Zell bought it. It's completely embarrassing. I know dozens of highly-educated Chicagoans who have very reluctantly canceled their subscription or who are going to let it lapse. I don't know what we will do for local coverage, but the truth is that there really isn't any. It gives me no pleasure to say this.
And finally, I do not know if we are going to get a 1932 style depression. The problem is, neither does anyone else. What I do think is coming is double-digit inflation, probably on the order of twelve percent, just sub Carter's 14 to 14.5 percent. This is not to be blamed on Obama, any more than a course of rabies shots is to be blamed on the physician who administers them following the bite of a rabid dog.
David Derbes, worried |
11.29.08 - 9:58 am | #
afternoon moonbats
just returned from a rather fablous pedicure
my feet look beautiful
Moonbootica, Cocktail Queen |
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11.29.08 - 10:00 am | #
my town's shopping centre was quite busy
everybody buying wrapping paper and cards (including me) lol
Moonbootica, Cocktail Queen |
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11.29.08 - 10:01 am | #
Good morning, friends!
Terry C ♥'s Pres. Obama |
11.29.08 - 10:03 am | #
chicago dyke...what part of chicago are you from?
LizDexic |
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11.29.08 - 10:03 am | #
David Derbes, worried | 11.29.08 - 9:58 am | #
I tend to agree with the inflation and thus interest rate predictions.
Shared Humanity |
11.29.08 - 10:03 am | #
Nice dogs, but glad I don't have to feed 'em.
It's the other end that would an issue here, for me anyway. Those'd be some piles.
jayackroyd |
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11.29.08 - 10:04 am | #
Poor Walmart needs a hug today after what happened to it yesterday.
I hate to wish that a company would fail, but that one....
I wouldn't shed any tears over it.
Terry C ♥'s Pres. Obama |
11.29.08 - 10:04 am | #
I don't get this birth certificate business. Are they saying that Ann Dunham is not Obama's mother? I mean, if she's his mother, it doesn't matter where he was born...he could have been born in the Andromeda Galaxy and still been a citizen of the USA.
I don't get it!
mirele
Virtual (and time-traveling) café au lait to mirele.
I think you are absolutely correct, and the only possible explanations are that (a) the wingnuts are completely ignorant of the Constitution (except, maybe, for the 2nd Amendment) and (b) will use any cudgel to hammer Obama, no matter how loony.
To be honest, there can be a problem with an American not born on "American soil"; I think the Constitution requires this of presidential candidates (and a very weird requirement it is.) This was briefly and not very seriously raised about McCain, who was born IIRC in the Panama Canal zone. But Hawaii was in fact an American state, so even that long shot is denied the wingnuts.
David Derbes, worried |
11.29.08 - 10:04 am | #
my feet look beautiful
Pictures?
Shared Humanity |
11.29.08 - 10:04 am | #
Puts self in corner.
Shared Humanity |
11.29.08 - 10:05 am | #
Later, reasonable ones...
David Derbes, worried |
11.29.08 - 10:06 am | #
And finally, I do not know if we are going to get a 1932 style depression. The problem is, neither does anyone else. What I do think is coming is double-digit inflation, probably on the order of twelve percent, just sub Carter's 14 to 14.5 percent. This is not to be blamed on Obama, any more than a course of rabies shots is to be blamed on the physician who administers them following the bite of a rabid dog.
David Derbes, worried
Inflation would be a good thing, as we are suffering, and will suffer, deflation.
The very thing that nearly wrecked the Japanese economy a decade or so back, and from which they are still recovering. Inflation can be cured by controlling the money supply (as Volcker did). Curing deflation is like pushing a noodle: you can't really do it.
As for the 1932 style meltdown, I don't think so, for a number of historical reasons, starting with the fact we don't have a Germany recovering from hyperinflation, a fractured and fractious Europe, and a Secretary of Treasury who thinks unemployment and financial collapse will improve individual morality. Besides, we have yet to lose 4000 banks, and it isn't likely we will, either.
Rmj, Joe the Theologist |
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11.29.08 - 10:06 am | #
If they're in your 'hood - go see them, please.
Barndog, snow master |
11.29.08 - 10:06 am | #
Pictures?
Shared Humanity | 11.29.08 - 10:04 am | #
no pictures yet, will get round to it tho
Moonbootica, Cocktail Queen |
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11.29.08 - 10:08 am | #
I'm waiting for a Sarah Palin commemerative plate to appear.
A tribute to insanity.
Terry C ♥'s Pres. Obama |
11.29.08 - 10:09 am | #
To be honest, there can be a problem with an American not born on "American soil"; I think the Constitution requires this of presidential candidates (and a very weird requirement it is.) This was briefly and not very seriously raised about McCain, who was born IIRC in the Panama Canal zone. But Hawaii was in fact an American state, so even that long shot is denied the wingnuts.
David Derbes, worried
No. "Natural born citizen" is the Constitutional requirement, but the term is not defined in the Constitution.
It is defined by Federal law, and the law clearly makes Obama a "natural born citizen" for many reasons other than where his mother actually delivered her son.
Rmj, Joe the Theologist |
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11.29.08 - 10:09 am | #
Britain is heading for the Japanese mode
zero growth and all that
despite Gordon Brown trying to get everybody to spend and borrow even more money
Moonbootica, Cocktail Queen |
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11.29.08 - 10:09 am | #
As for the 1932 style meltdown, I don't think so
Every economic meltdown is unique.
There is great potential for disaster here, and great potential for restructuring. Regardless, the kind of reckless abandon we've seen the last 20 years, we'll never see again.
Moe Szyslak, eiditer |
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11.29.08 - 10:09 am | #
I couldn't help but notice that Walmart's apology statement last night referred to "other injuries to a few others."
A few others??!? You didn't bother to get a count? Classic bad PR, but that's Bentonville.
megisi |
11.29.08 - 10:10 am | #
Fox News really is funny - they have a split screen with Obama on the upper right with b-roll footage of cash being printed below him, while the left half of the screen is a bunch of middle-age white guys yelling about giving money to individuals instead of Wall Street.
And some idiot with an elephant tie saying that FDR caused the great depression.
Karatist Preacher |
11.29.08 - 10:11 am | #
There is great potential for disaster here, and great potential for restructuring. Regardless, the kind of reckless abandon we've seen the last 20 years, we'll never see again.
Moe Szyslak, eiditer
Yes we will. I saw it in Texas 20 years ago.
When will they ever learn?
And "unique" is not a synonym for "sui generis."
Rmj, Joe the Theologist |
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11.29.08 - 10:11 am | #
"Chasm dividing Americans over birth certificate widens
WND ^ | November 28, 2008
The chasm between those who want President-elect Barack Obama to produce his birth certificate to verify his eligibility to hold the nation's highest office and those who simply support the Democrat is widening."
Wishful thinking on the part of fucktards.
There is no controversy except in their tiny little minds.
"those who simply support the Democrat" - right. Because we are mindless as THEY are.
Uh-huh. Nice projection there, wingnuts.
Terry C ♥'s Pres. Obama |
11.29.08 - 10:11 am | #
There is great potential for disaster here, and great potential for restructuring. Regardless, the kind of reckless abandon we've seen the last 20 years, we'll never see again.
Moe Szyslak, eiditer | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 10:09 am | #
it will happen again, always does
each time cityboys find some financial whizz, indulge in greed and stupidity and then its another crash
my dad just shrugs his shoulders and says 'this isn't the first financial crash for me' but for anyone under 30 it is probably
the financial memory is very short each time they say 'oh it won't happen this time' and it always does
Moonbootica, Cocktail Queen |
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11.29.08 - 10:12 am | #
And some idiot with an elephant tie saying that FDR caused the great depression.
Karatist Preacher
People like that, I want to grab by the throat and slap the shit out of.
Terry C ♥'s Pres. Obama |
11.29.08 - 10:13 am | #
David: it's worth recognizing that, for some, the Obama presidency will always be illegitimate, that there is no way the proposition can be falsified by any coinceivable demonstration of fact. The birth certificate thing doesn't matter as much as that it's a convenient thing for them to hang their hat on. And, thus framed, there's no need for them as citizens of the country he's president of to work with him, to accept his legal authority, even to help him succeed. These are the people who can't be brought around, can't be brought into the big tent. No illusions.
Reminds me in a funhouse mirror of the old lefty thinking that Johnson and Vietnam were not just wrong but illegitimate, and, therefore, the laws passed, the outward appearance of democracy, meant nothing in terms of a citizen's obligations to a larger society. Thus, draft resistance for some, draft evasion for others; thus, the utter illegitimacy of drug laws; thus, amnesty/pardon/flight rather than accepting jail time.
ProfWombat |
11.29.08 - 10:13 am | #
being greedy, well you can't do much about that, banks will always be greedy
being greedy and stupid is when things get really troublesome
Moonbootica, Cocktail Queen |
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11.29.08 - 10:13 am | #
rjm and Moon-- of course there will be reckless abandon and bubbles, etc, but it won't be--- can't be-- on the scale we've seen. The earth doesn't hold the resources to duplicate it.
Moe Szyslak, eiditer |
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11.29.08 - 10:13 am | #
People like that, I want to grab by the throat and slap the shit out of.
Terry C
I think this guy would enjoy it way too much.
Karatist Preacher |
11.29.08 - 10:14 am | #
my dad just shrugs his shoulders and says 'this isn't the first financial crash for me' but for anyone under 30 it is probably
I remember when the stock market (US) crashed and caused great but brief misery for many who were convinced such a thing could never happen. Not a '29 style crash, but many naive investors thought their money was safe as houses.
And that was only about 20 years ago. So I'm sure those under 30 were surprised that it could happen again, only worse. After all, 1929 was just after the last dinosaur died.
Rmj, Joe the Theologist |
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11.29.08 - 10:15 am | #
Hawaii was in fact an American state, so even that long shot is denied the wingnuts.
David Derbes, worried
But yet they keep yammering about it.
And The Eternal Also Ran Alan Keyes is yammering about it.
These people are not only stupid, they're insane.
Terry C ♥'s Pres. Obama |
11.29.08 - 10:15 am | #
People like that, I want to grab by the throat and slap the shit out of.
Terry C
I think this guy would enjoy it way too much.
Karatist Preacher
I would hope that perhaps it would jumpstart his brain, but I guess I'm being too optimistic there.
Terry C ♥'s Pres. Obama |
11.29.08 - 10:16 am | #
Ethiopia has announced plans to withdraw all of its troops from Somalia by the end of year, raising the possibility of a complete takeover of the country by Islamist groups.
Thousands of Ethiopian soldiers were sent into Somalia two years ago to back the weak interim government. But after ousting the Islamic Courts Union, which controlled the capital Mogadishu, the army has become bogged down in a guerilla war that has claimed more than 10,000 lives.
Amid growing human and financial costs, the Ethiopian foreign minister Seyoum Mesfin wrote to the UN secretary general Ban Ki-moon and the African Union this week informing them of the decision.
"Regardless of what happens, we have decided to withdraw our troops from Somalia at the end of the year," Wahide Belay, a spokesman for the Ethiopian foreign ministry, said yesterday.
rjm and Moon-- of course there will be reckless abandon and bubbles, etc, but it won't be--- can't be-- on the scale we've seen. The earth doesn't hold the resources to duplicate it.
Moe Szyslak, eiditer
The resources in 1929 were sufficient unto the task. The amount of resources available hasn't really grown since then, except in terms of a few mineral discoveries. And that's not the significant part of this failure.
Money and finance are not resources; they are systems. As such, they are virtually inexhaustible.
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11.29.08 - 10:17 am | #
another Bush 'success'
Moonbootica, Cocktail Queen
The Reverse Midas - everything he touches turns to shit.
Terry C ♥'s Pres. Obama |
11.29.08 - 10:17 am | #
Wayne Allen Root - Libertarian candidate for VP in 2008.
Karatist Preacher |
11.29.08 - 10:17 am | #
Besides, we have yet to lose 4000 banks, and it isn't likely we will, either.
Rmj, Joe the Theologist | Homepage | 11.29.08 - 10:06 am
Can you imagine the eated threads that would produce?
Tom - 大肚腩 |
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11.29.08 - 10:19 am | #
greed and stupidity won't ever go away either
Moonbootica, Cocktail Queen |
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11.29.08 - 10:19 am | #
David: it's worth recognizing that, for some, the Obama presidency will always be illegitimate, that there is no way the proposition can be falsified by any coinceivable demonstration of fact.
See:
Carter, James Earl
Clinton, William Jefferson
The republic propaganda is all the more laughable when the above two Democrats are compared to the republic presidents since Nixon.
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11.29.08 - 10:20 am | #
if atrios doesn't wake up soon and post something, i will be forced to DELETE MY ACCOUNT.
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11.29.08 - 10:20 am | #
The death toll after three days of violence in Mumbai rose past 150 as shroud-wrapped bodies were ferried last night from the smouldering remains of a luxury hotel and an ultra-orthodox Jewish centre freed from the clutches of Islamist militants.
More than 300 people were injured in the battles that began when gunmen took to the streets of India's financial capital late on Wednesday, spraying bullets and throwing grenades to spread terror across the city.
They ended up invading several Mumbai landmarks: two luxury hotels and a Jewish house of prayer - a new phenomenon for India, but a familiar pattern from attacks inspired by militant Islamism.
Yesterday the death toll of foreigners reached 16, including a father and daughter from the US in India for a yoga retreat. British officials said at least 100 Britons were caught up in the attacks, with more than 40 held hostage or forced to hide in their rooms to save their lives.
And The Eternal Also Ran Alan Keyes is yammering about it.
These people are not only stupid, they're insane.
Terry C ♥'s Pres. Obama
Keyes next gambit is to try to get SCOTUS to declare that his own birth certificate legitimately declares him Emperor of the Americas.
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11.29.08 - 10:21 am | #
Rmj, your "deflation" ... plummet in the credit and money supply, the classical definition, or plummeting prices and too few goods in the marketplace?
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11.29.08 - 10:21 am | #
rmj-- you're looking at only the financial side. Of course there are no more resources now than in 1929, but that was above all a financial crisis, not a resource crisis. Now, we've reached, or just about reached, peak oil. We've busted the soil potential of several continents. Fish stocks are either completely exhausted, or about to be exhausted. Lots of resource problems face the world economy in the 1930s, but ultimately there was more to be exploited. This time around, there is no more. We can have speculative bubbles forever, I suppose, but they'll be speculating on an ever-smaller globe.
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11.29.08 - 10:21 am | #
a British fuck up - Down dusty lanes in the southern Punjabi town of Bahawalpur are two religious schools that are well known to security services on both sides of the Pakistani-Indian border and further afield.
They do not look like centres of global terrorism. Earlier this week when the Guardian visited, students poured out of the Dar ul-Uloom Medina at the end of morning lessons and teachers sat on rope beds drinking tea and eating bananas. The high-walled, heavy-gated Usman au Ali school in the heart of the city was quiet.
Yet appearances may be deceptive. Both schools are accused of being recruitment and logistics bases for Jaish-e-Muhammad, a militant group now among India's suspects for this week's Mumbai attacks. Elsewhere in Bahawalpur and in the surrounding villages are other schools and safehouses linked to Lashkar-e-Taiba, the other group in the frame.
Both groups have their roots in the conflict over the disputed Himalayan state of Kashmir. Developing out of irregular militias to fight Indian security forces in the Indian-administered parts of Kashmir in the early 1990s with the encouragement and support of Pakistani intelligence services, the groups' fighters have been blamed by the Indian government for a catalogue of atrocities.
If someone tried to give me the Medal of Freedom, I'd fling it back in his face. It'd be an insult.
That torture has been legitimized as state policy in this country is something Bush, Cheney and their ilk should have to answer for. Those who collaborate with them have no standing whatever.
If Obama stops the torture, closes Guantanamo, ends rendition, and embraces the Geneva Convention and human rights, every terrorist incident, the world over, will be spun as proving that Bush and Cheney were right to introduce mostrous evil into American statecraft. It will never go away. You can't unring the bell. It'll be a fight, forever, to stop this.
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11.29.08 - 10:23 am | #
Seriously, though, I've been trawling in some fairly obscure areas of the intertubes this week, and I'll tell you what, there's some serious wackiness out there regarding Obama's birth certificate.
What's interesting to me is that I've pretty much limited my surfing to a very small subset of the whackaloons (basically, people who are involved in the so-called "House of Prayer" movement) and this meme is prevalent. They honestly believe that Clarence Thomas is gonna sweep down and save them from that awful anti-life Obama, the presidential candidate who kills babies!
I'm telling you, there's some powerful delusion out there and it's kind of scary. I wouldn't be so concerned, but these guys are feeling their oats since they worked to get Prop 8 passed. Of course, now they're claiming persecution after one of their prayer groups got run out of the Castro on Nov. 14. Gee, it might have been because your parent group ran a huge pro-Prop 8 rally in Qualcomm Stadium in San Diego on Nov. 1, no?
mirele |
11.29.08 - 10:24 am | #
If someone tried to give me the Medal of Freedom, I'd fling it back in his face. It'd be an insult.
Now me, I'd wipe my ass with it, then hand it back.
But, that's just me.
Barndog, snow master |
11.29.08 - 10:24 am | #
recently the British government used anti terror laws to raid a MPs office
like when the assets were freezed in Iceland
laws being used not what they were originally intended for
and yet they said 'we need it to fight the bad guys', what crock
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11.29.08 - 10:25 am | #
I love the song, but some MAJOR idiots among the commenters.
Terry C ♥'s Pres. Obama |
11.29.08 - 10:27 am | #
Just for the record, "people" asked that Corrente be removed from the blogroll because during the election it became a haven for RedStaters, banned anyone who supported Obama, published large volumes of racist drivel, and featured articles explaining how John Fund and other wingers were "making sense."
People who try to frame this as "intolerance for dissent" are fooling themselves.
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11.29.08 - 10:27 am | #
If someone tried to give me the Medal of Freedom, I'd fling it back in his face. It'd be an insult.
I can find a better use for it, but I'd be banned if I said it.
It involves the ribbon that comes with the medal.
(too late now, anyway)
Terry C ♥'s Pres. Obama |
11.29.08 - 10:28 am | #
Prof. Wombat: your observation regarding the Obama administration being illegitimate in the eyes of some wingers due to the birth certificate issue is interesting. Hanging their hats on the birth certificate issue is also interesting, because it's so insanely stupid and provable to be false.
Not at all like the Supreme Court stepping in to stop a recount in Florida in 2000. Nothing like that at all.
mirele |
11.29.08 - 10:28 am | #
Just for the record, "people" asked that Corrente be removed from the blogroll because during the election it became a haven for RedStaters, banned anyone who supported Obama, published large volumes of racist drivel, and featured articles explaining how John Fund and other wingers were "making sense."
Do what I did - just don't go over there.
Terry C ♥'s Pres. Obama |
11.29.08 - 10:28 am | #
Terry C: ditto on Corrente. I just didn't go over there. I was disappointed, but I didn't go over there.
mirele |
11.29.08 - 10:30 am | #
rmj-- you're looking at only the financial side. Of course there are no more resources now than in 1929, but that was above all a financial crisis, not a resource crisis. Now, we've reached, or just about reached, peak oil. We've busted the soil potential of several continents. Fish stocks are either completely exhausted, or about to be exhausted. Lots of resource problems face the world economy in the 1930s, but ultimately there was more to be exploited. This time around, there is no more. We can have speculative bubbles forever, I suppose, but they'll be speculating on an ever-smaller globe.
Moe Szyslak, eiditer
And yet oil is down by more than half of what it was just this summmer,a nd falling, due to diminishing demand. Fish stocks may be exhausted, but I don't see food prices rising for fish sticks, or anything else. Food prices rose sharply when oil prices rose sharply, but that was clearly the trigger, not depletion.
Which is not to say depletion is not occurring, but the current crisis is financial, and nothing more. The problem of exploitation and depletion has not been faced yet, because it hasn't come to the fore the way the financial crisis has. I think trying to link the two is simply inapplicable, although the problem of the financial markets and of dwindling resources have a common root, in that they are both symptoms of the problem of capitalism.
But that's the source issue, IMHO.
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11.29.08 - 10:51 am | #