The US will not stand in Israel's way if Israel believes military action is needed to eliminate Iran's nuclear threat, Vice President Joe Biden said on Sunday, during an interview with ABC's 'This Week.'
US Vice President Joe Biden...
Biden opined that the US "cannot dictate to another sovereign nation what they can and cannot do."
Bugs |
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07.05.09 - 8:09 pm | #
This is proof the Israel Lobby runs US foreign policy
Bugs |
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07.05.09 - 8:10 pm | #
Betty White and Adam Carolla?
I was going to enjoy a Reuben, but thanks to COT...
Monica_A: Giggity! |
07.05.09 - 8:10 pm | #
I hope 60 Minutes is clearing their mantle for another Pulitzer after than hard hitting expose on how hard working Jon Bon Jovi is.
Culture of TrÜth |
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07.05.09 - 8:11 pm | #
uhm, CoT, did you fall asleep after the match and just wake up with your acceptance speech going?
ms fahrenheit |
07.05.09 - 8:11 pm | #
Sure Israel has the sovereign right to launch an ill-advised attack against Iran.
Just as we have the sovereign right to let Israel deal with the consequences.
Bugs |
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07.05.09 - 8:11 pm | #
I'm scooting extra-carefully, these days... even in piss-pouring rain.
The right wing nut assholes say that we're afraid of Sarah. She really is so much smarter than anyone I know. I really don't know anybody. - Ralphie
Remember, these are the folks who went on forever about the Emperor's Excellent Raiment.
bo, [something here] |
07.05.09 - 8:12 pm | #
We have a sovereign right to bomb the settlements on the West Bank
which would be a big step at solving the Occupation problem.
Bugs |
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07.05.09 - 8:12 pm | #
Jeffraham, that is a TERRIBLE picture of me!!!!
Southern Beale |
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07.05.09 - 8:13 pm | #
I knew JP was a gang member. Just turn yourself in. The Authorities will kill you.
Ralphie |
07.05.09 - 8:13 pm | #
Southern Beale: I tell you, the Palin supporters are as crazy as she is.
You sound surprised, but somehow, I suspect you aren't. ')
Lots of Atriots in physical distress lately.
MB | 07.05.09 - 8:06 pm
My nuts are still aching from carrying twenty 80 pound bags of concrete this weekend. The kid I hired to help said they were 'too heavy'.
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Agent Orange |
07.05.09 - 8:17 pm | #
Lovely, I'm being stalked by a troll who claims I "changed" the word "rumors" in my Sarah Palin post yesterday. I didn't.
Let's check the kerning...
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07.05.09 - 8:18 pm | #
Southern Beale: Jeffraham, that is a TERRIBLE picture of me!!!!
Actually was thinking about how I would introduce myself if I were not married....smart and good looking!
Shared Humanity |
07.05.09 - 8:18 pm | #
You don't look cross-eyed. This, my friend, is cross-eyed:
You don't look cross-eyed. This, my friend, is cross-eyed:
Gah.
I do TOO look crosseyed but I'd had three beers so at least I have an excuse. Ron Christie on the other hand ....
Southern Beale |
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07.05.09 - 8:19 pm | #
And unlike the men, she's done, isn't she?
I could agree with you.
Ralphie |
07.05.09 - 8:19 pm | #
SoBeale, you're so cute!
res ipsa loquitur |
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07.05.09 - 8:20 pm | #
bo, funny how they said everyplace but Higgins was "inexpensive." I like Pok Pok but given the serving sizes, etc. I consider it a bit more spendy, esp to feed 2 teens plus me and the grown up teen.
ErinPDX |
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07.05.09 - 8:20 pm | #
wrt to JP's pics...why is liri still a lurker?
ms fahrenheit |
07.05.09 - 8:20 pm | #
Wouldn't mind that is.
Shared Humanity |
07.05.09 - 8:21 pm | #
liri needs to join da party
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07.05.09 - 8:21 pm | #
Oh I'm not cute, I'm old and fat and crosseyed, but thanks to Jeffraham's "soft focus" photography (ahem) I at least don't frighten small children.
Southern Beale |
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07.05.09 - 8:22 pm | #
Well, that was written from the somewhat warpped perspective of an SF foodie.
bo, [something here] |
07.05.09 - 8:22 pm | #
My nuts are still aching from carrying twenty 80 pound bags of concrete
Do not use your nuts to carry concrete. If you need that much, use a concrete service. They're nuts are bigger than yours. Twenty bags? You're Nuts.
Ralphie |
07.05.09 - 8:23 pm | #
Southern Beale: Oh I'm not cute, I'm old and fat and crosseyed, but thanks to Jeffraham's "soft focus" photography (ahem) I at least don't frighten small children.
Okay, I'll admit to being slightly in my cups, a relatively rare event the migraine gods are letting me have tonight, but you're one of the nicest posters here, bo.
noblejoanie |
07.05.09 - 8:23 pm | #
LOL. Y'all crack me up. Thanks for the pats on the back.
It was a fun afternoon and I got to avoid spending the afternoon with my in-laws.
And I'm done responding to the troll at my blog, so if you're a lurker here, give it up and peddle your crap somewhere else. I didn't add the word "rumors" and Sarah Palin's lawyer doesn't scare me.
Southern Beale |
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07.05.09 - 8:24 pm | #
Dinner beckons. Have a lovely evening, bats.
noblejoanie |
07.05.09 - 8:25 pm | #
:blush:
[goes looking for his cheapo vino]
bo, [something here] |
07.05.09 - 8:25 pm | #
"I'll admit to being slightly in my cups"
is that literary for drunk?
Uncle Blodge, MTC |
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07.05.09 - 8:26 pm | #
She's done.
I agree. Not because she is a female. Just because she is stupid and has an ego beyond her ability to think.
Ralphie |
07.05.09 - 8:26 pm | #
Uncle B,
did you note that a rare event occurred on your blog? Left ya a comment.
bo, [something here] |
07.05.09 - 8:28 pm | #
A friend referred to Sarah Palin's "grandiosity" today and I thought that was a perfect word for it.
Southern Beale |
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07.05.09 - 8:28 pm | #
"Colonial English."
is it ok to dye when one is in ones cups?
Uncle Blodge, MTC |
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07.05.09 - 8:28 pm | #
Barack Obama's last visit to Russia, as a senator in 2005, did not end so well. He was detained by the security services at an airport near Siberia for three hours, locked in a lounge, his passport confiscated, like a scene from a John le Carré novel.
The Russians later called it a “misunderstanding.”
John Dover |
07.05.09 - 8:28 pm | #
Dinner beckons.
noblejoanie |
I'd cook it a little longer until it at least stops moving.
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Agent Orange |
07.05.09 - 8:28 pm | #
Sarah Palin reminds me of the little girl on The Life Of Riley. You betcha.
Ralphie |
Talk about nuts, when I was a kid I though William Bendix invented car brakes.
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Agent Orange |
07.05.09 - 8:34 pm | #
Heh, Ralphie, I guess you and I are about the same age. I think you're right in the reference to "Life of Riley."
Diane C. Barking-Mad |
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07.05.09 - 8:34 pm | #
Costa Rica is the greenest and happiest country in the world, according to a new list that ranks nations by combining measures of their ecological footprint with the happiness of their citizens.
Britain is only halfway up the Happy Planet Index (HPI), calculated by the New Economics Foundation (NEF), in 74th place of 143 nations surveyed. The United States features in the 114th slot in the table. The top 10 is dominated by countries from Latin America, while African countries bulk out the bottom of the table.
John Dover |
07.05.09 - 8:35 pm | #
Talk about nuts, when I was a kid I though William Bendix invented car brakes.
I think I'll leave that alone.
Ralphie |
07.05.09 - 8:35 pm | #
All Atriots are beautiful.
Sallyh, Grandmere Poissonniere |
07.05.09 - 8:40 pm | #
I am going to steal that.
Go right ahead. You're influence far surpasses mine.
Ralphie |
07.05.09 - 8:41 pm | #
This football player who was murdered ... was he very beloved?
I don't know anything re football.
res ipsa loquitur |
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07.05.09 - 8:41 pm | #
All Atriots are beautiful.
Sallyh, Grandmere Poissonniere
Tis true, and I've seen pics of you and you are very young looking.
ms fahrenheit |
07.05.09 - 8:41 pm | #
I ain't lovely - I'm sleep deprived. There's this short hairy redhead who has a very strange idea of the sleep/wake cycle.
GWPDA yclept Damaged Historian |
07.05.09 - 8:42 pm | #
Ms. Farenheit, that's very kind of you.
Sallyh, Grandmere Poissonniere |
07.05.09 - 8:43 pm | #
res ipsa loquitur: This football player who was murdered ... was he very beloved?
Maybe one of the most-beloved here in Nashville, yes.
What if my daughters were reading this? You have to be a role model! You are beautiful. Maybe you're tired, but still.
ms fahrenheit |
07.05.09 - 8:44 pm | #
There's this short hairy redhead who has a very strange idea of the sleep/wake cycle.
I have one too, also. Fucking woodpeckers. Wait, did I say that right?
Ralphie |
07.05.09 - 8:45 pm | #
Uncle Blodge, I see you are a Deadliest Catch fan too!
My husband loves that show. I like it too but it makes me not want to eat crab. I hate that they have to go to so much trouble.
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07.05.09 - 8:45 pm | #
RIL
He was a QB, which is a popular position to begin with, and he was a black QB, even more rare.
From Wiki:
"McNair led the Titans to the playoffs four times, and the Ravens once, and played in Super Bowl XXXIV with the Titans. McNair was selected to the Pro Bowl three times, and was All-Pro and Co-MVP in 2003."
ms fahrenheit |
07.05.09 - 8:46 pm | #
Shall I replace my roll up rattan blinds on the back patio with creamy white curtains?
GWPDA yclept Damaged Historian |
07.05.09 - 8:46 pm | #
I used to watch Deadliest Catch but I cancelled cable. What ever happened to that Captain that they found out had cancer?
annie |
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07.05.09 - 8:47 pm | #
Well, that is a bummer. I'm sorry for his family/friends/fans.
res ipsa loquitur |
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07.05.09 - 8:47 pm | #
Shall I replace my roll up rattan blinds on the back patio with creamy white curtains?
Well fine but they didn't mention his liberals politics, just that Bon Jovi is hard working and not appreciated by the elitists.
Culture of TrÜth |
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07.05.09 - 8:48 pm | #
I liked the little one. Lisa Marie?
Southern Beale |
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07.05.09 - 8:48 pm | #
Steve McNair's the only person I know of that I've met and was murdered.
Steve McNair's the only person I know of that I've met and was murdered.
You're young, and not a teacher in an urban hellhole.
Ralphie |
07.05.09 - 8:50 pm | #
Well, who knows. Maybe Tuesday all my horoscopic predictions will come true, The Gud Job in DC will contact me, and I'll be on the move again.
GWPDA yclept Damaged Historian |
07.05.09 - 8:50 pm | #
of = have
plantsman might be watching.
I am done filling out online job applications for tonight. I'm fried.
ms fahrenheit |
07.05.09 - 8:50 pm | #
I liked McNair. Went to the NFL from Alcorn State.
Culture of TrÜth |
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07.05.09 - 8:51 pm | #
I'm at the office. Why?
Last minute BK client.
Penquin Fan |
07.05.09 - 8:51 pm | #
Triumph, the Insult Comic Dog at the Bon Jovi show was hilarious.
res ipsa loquitur
Now HE should interview Sarah Palin.
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Agent Orange |
07.05.09 - 8:54 pm | #
You are all too funny tonight. It is hard to be depressed here.
ms fahrenheit |
07.05.09 - 8:55 pm | #
dunno a little one
Hubby tells me it's Time Bandit. It's the smallest boat but I think they got the most money last season.
Southern Beale |
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07.05.09 - 8:55 pm | #
We should introduce JP to Tom Brady.
Penquin Fan |
07.05.09 - 8:55 pm | #
This could be an after effect of tramping on the Terrible Towel.
Hope you all have learned your lesson.
Penquin Fan |
07.05.09 - 8:56 pm | #
I met Prof. Dumbledore, of course
Culture of TrÜth |
and, who was it you were sitting beside on Centre Court?
ms fahrenheit |
07.05.09 - 8:56 pm | #
"Thousands of thirty-five year-old men waiting days, even months, for just a taste of George Lucas' table scraps. Lonely men who have never had sex, not even with a Catholic priest..."
res ipsa loquitur |
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07.05.09 - 8:56 pm | #
Tbogg posted video of him outside the Michael Jackson trial. He tries to talk to a woman in a clown costume who says, "I'm sorry, I don't talk to dogs" and he says, "Why not? To preserve your dignity?"
res ipsa loquitur |
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07.05.09 - 8:57 pm | #
No it was about what an affirmative action failure McNabb was -- just before he went to the SuperBowl
Culture of TrÜth |
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07.05.09 - 9:00 pm | #
Now that Sarah Palin has quit, what makes her any different from Paris Hilton?
Barry from Free Alaska |
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07.05.09 - 9:00 pm | #
Was it a comment on McNair that cost Limbaugh his Monday Night Football gig?
Nope, same color, different guy. How the hell did that happen?
Ralphie |
07.05.09 - 9:00 pm | #
I was considering the job as Professor of Defense Against Dark Arts, but this Nigel Tufnels offered me a gig sitting on the drums with his band.
trifecta |
07.05.09 - 9:00 pm | #
Was it a comment on McNair that cost Limbaugh his Monday Night Football gig?
ABC news tells me that most people don't care about the horrible conditions their food was grown in.
Four Stomachs |
07.05.09 - 9:02 pm | #
AO
I refreshed and the plane is back. Whew.
ms fahrenheit |
07.05.09 - 9:02 pm | #
"McNabb... McNair... yeah, easy to forget who is who."
well they all look alike you know...
Uncle Blodge, MTC |
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07.05.09 - 9:03 pm | #
My nuts are still aching from carrying twenty 80 pound bags of concrete this weekend. The kid I hired to help said they were 'too heavy'.
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Agent Orange
The kid obviously never grew up or spent any time at any place where physical labor was required. I am probably lucky that I did not screw up my back but when I worked on the farm I had to move bags of fertilizer out of the shed to the fertilizer spreader. I was lazy and did not want to make more trips than I had to. When they dropped the weight from 80 pounds per bag to 50 pounds per 50 I carried three at a time instead of two.
____???? |
07.05.09 - 9:03 pm | #
I owe Sallyh a coke.
Shared Humanity |
07.05.09 - 9:03 pm | #
Now that Sarah Palin has quit, what makes her any different from Paris Hilton?
My nuts are still aching from carrying twenty 80 pound bags of concrete this weekend. The kid I hired to help said they were 'too heavy'.
.
Agent Orange
They are. Who sez kids are stupid?
Meanie-meanie, tickle a person |
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07.05.09 - 9:04 pm | #
Barry,
Is Parnell any better than Simple Sarah?
res ipsa loquitur |
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07.05.09 - 9:04 pm | #
Where's Barry? Haloscan't didn't show me his comment.
Damn it didn't work for me when I hit publish!
Southern Beale |
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07.05.09 - 9:07 pm | #
Well, I've been hauling a paralyzed 40 lb dog around everywhere for a week ....
Speaking of, she probably needs to pee. Back in a few ....
Southern Beale |
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07.05.09 - 9:08 pm | #
Damn it didn't work for me when I hit publish!
The preview feature in Haloscan is NOT wysiwyg.
Mark B.--Buzzkiller |
07.05.09 - 9:08 pm | #
Of course I haven't been able to do any of that for years now.
ms fahrenheit |
07.05.09 - 9:09 pm | #
I know that I sound like a broken record, but, wow, this has been such a great year for watching the fireflies.
Hecate, Runnymeade Conspirator |
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07.05.09 - 9:09 pm | #
Now that Sarah Palin has quit, what makes her any different from Paris Hilton?
Paris Hilton has better morals.
Mark B.--Buzzkiller |
07.05.09 - 9:09 pm | #
"Now that Sarah Palin has quit, what makes her any different from Paris Hilton?"
I hear Sarah is a natural woman.
fred |
07.05.09 - 9:10 pm | #
GWPDA
did not explain her comment to me and I'm hurt and traumatized. I shall go to bed or something.
ms fahrenheit |
07.05.09 - 9:10 pm | #
Well, I've been hauling a paralyzed 40 lb dog around everywhere for a week ....
That is a lot tougher than carrying a bag of something that weighs twice as much.
____???? |
07.05.09 - 9:10 pm | #
this has been such a great year for watching the fireflies.
Hecate, Runnymeade Conspirator |
At first I had few but then they showed up in force seemingly a couple of weeks 'late'.
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Agent Orange |
07.05.09 - 9:10 pm | #
One of the "bloggers" at the LA Times "Top of the Ticket" blog said that while soon-to-be-former-Gov. Palin is playing out this melodrama, Mitt Romney is busy out on the hustings, working to raise money and votes for candidates who will then owe him big time come 2012.
Hard to tell which strategy will be effective with the GOP.
Diane C. Barking-Mad |
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07.05.09 - 9:10 pm | #
It's not dark enough for the lightning bugs here, yet.
"Mitt Romney is busy out on the hustings, working to raise money"
That hair won't set itself.
fred |
07.05.09 - 9:11 pm | #
She's a whore. Something will leak.
sayin' | 07.05.09 - 9:05 pm | #
Well.....no she is no such thing. She was, however, thrust onto a national stage when she was not prepared. She should have known this and politely refused the request to be John's running mate.
Shared Humanity |
07.05.09 - 9:11 pm | #
Hard to tell which strategy will be effective with the GOP.
Diane C. Barking-Mad |
You have to pad the whitespace with a bunch of non-breaking spaces. The HTML for a non-breaking space is
Mark B.--Buzzkiller |
07.05.09 - 9:12 pm | #
Also, the Asiatic lilies under my bedroom window smell wonderful at night. I love my little garden, I do.
Hecate, Runnymeade Conspirator |
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07.05.09 - 9:13 pm | #
One of the "bloggers" at the LA Times "Top of the Ticket" blog said that while soon-to-be-former-Gov. Palin is playing out this melodrama, Mitt Romney is busy out on the hustings, working to raise money and votes for candidates who will then owe him big time come 2012.
Hard to tell which strategy will be effective with the GOP.
Probably the Palin strategy since it appears that any one who could be considered remotely sane will have been forced out of the party by then.
____???? |
07.05.09 - 9:13 pm | #
I know that I sound like a broken record, but, wow, this has been such a great year for watching the fireflies.
Been awesome here, too. And Ericka still looks on them with awe: she'd never seen any 'til we were in WI last July!
NTodd,שלו |
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07.05.09 - 9:13 pm | #
She's stupid vindictive and mean, but I've never seen evidence she's a whore. I think that crosses a line.
Mark B.--Buzzkiller |
07.05.09 - 9:14 pm | #
Not that line.
Governor Sanford |
07.05.09 - 9:15 pm | #
Ericka still looks on them with awe: she'd never seen any 'til we were in WI last July!
I wonder why they've never spread to the West? I had a client from California who saw them one night out here on the East Coast and was just amazed.
Hecate, Runnymeade Conspirator |
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07.05.09 - 9:15 pm | #
Fireflies have been flitting around in abundance in our yard too. Better than firecrackers.
mer |
07.05.09 - 9:16 pm | #
I have this fantasy: by the beginning of 2011 the economy finally starts picking up, joblessness drops, and the GOP sees another landslide for Obama, so they sacrifice another lamb, this time Palin.
Diane C. Barking-Mad |
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07.05.09 - 9:16 pm | #
She was, however, thrust onto a national stage when she was not prepared. She should have known this and politely refused the request to be John's running mate.
Her ego would never have let her do that.
____???? |
07.05.09 - 9:16 pm | #
She should have known this and politely refused the request to be John's running mate.
That would have required some humility and awareness of her own shortcomings. I doubt she is capable of that.
Mark B.--Buzzkiller |
07.05.09 - 9:16 pm | #
Pepsi to the blanky question marky guy.
Mark B.--Buzzkiller |
07.05.09 - 9:16 pm | #
Better than firecrackers.
Quieter and less dangerous.
Hecate, Runnymeade Conspirator |
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07.05.09 - 9:17 pm | #
It is amusing when our trolls post vile shit as if they are on the left.
Shared Humanity |
07.05.09 - 9:18 pm | #
Sometimes, I think Joe Biden should just shut up:
Vice President Joseph R. Biden Jr. suggested Sunday that the U.S. would not stand in the way of Israeli military action aimed at Iran’s nuclear program.
Hecate, Runnymeade Conspirator |
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07.05.09 - 9:18 pm | #
Well, there are *some* of the same family of insect, but most apparently don't glow?
NTodd,שלו |
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07.05.09 - 9:19 pm | #
My neighbor had a dog with paralyzed back legs. He got around with one of those carts for several years. It seemed to be a very happy dog.
Mark B.--Buzzkiller |
07.05.09 - 9:20 pm | #
Luciferase is the name of the enzyme that gives lightning bugs their light. Ain't that cool?
Vice President Joseph R. Biden Jr. suggested Sunday that the U.S. would not stand in the way of Israeli military action aimed at Iran’s nuclear program.
Am I being alarmist when I say that Biden's statement sounds a hell of a lot like a "green light"?
Steve McNair should have known better than to troll Eschaton looking for a date.
macacawitz |
07.05.09 - 9:22 pm | #
Big Sam's Funky Nation cookin live at the blues fest
www.kboo.org
ErinPDX |
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07.05.09 - 9:22 pm | #
Fireflies require a wet climate with woods around. Temperate weather. Rules ou much of the left coast for one or the other reason.
trifecta |
07.05.09 - 9:22 pm | #
Pepsi to the blanky question marky guy.
Thankew. (Anything but Dr. Pepper)
____???? |
07.05.09 - 9:22 pm | #
Am I being alarmist when I say that Biden's statement sounds a hell of a lot like a "green light"?
What statement?
Culture of TrÜth |
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07.05.09 - 9:23 pm | #
Am I being alarmist when I say that Biden's statement sounds a hell of a lot like a "green light"?
That wasn't a statement from Biden.
Culture of TrÜth |
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07.05.09 - 9:25 pm | #
Am I being alarmist when I say that Biden's statement sounds a hell of a lot like a "green light"?
Reminds me of when our Ambassador to Iraq said something that Saddam took as a OK to invade Kuwait.
____???? |
07.05.09 - 9:25 pm | #
I wonder why they've never spread to the West?
Well, there are *some* of the same family of insect, but most apparently don't glow?
There's plenty in this part of Texas. I used to have a gf who was from California. I was really surprised when she saw them and had never seen them before.
Mark B.--Buzzkiller |
07.05.09 - 9:26 pm | #
Q: As a military service member whose lived all around the United States, I've always wondered why they don't have fireflies on the West Coast. The only thing I can figure is that fireflies haven't made it over the Rockies or across the dry, hot Southwest. Max
A: Actually many firefly species live on the west coast, primarily in Oregon and Washington. Most, though, don't glow and that's a major reason you don't see fireflies along the West Coast.
Left: [Purdue U] A flashing firefly, actually a beetle
A couple of firefly species (Zarhipis integripennis and Pterotus obscuripennis), however, in Oregon glow. Go on an evening walk in the woods of Bald Hill near Corvallis (in western Oregon), says Brian Dixon, Molecular and Cellular Biology graduate student at Oregon State University. Look down among the leaf litter on the forest floor and "you'll see a faint light coming from the ground," he says. http://www.wonderquest.com/firef...-west-
coast.htm
ErinPDX |
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07.05.09 - 9:26 pm | #
Well, not "wet" _per se_ but humid. Ericka's found the humidity here to be a bit annoying, but the fireflies make up for it.
NTodd,שלו |
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07.05.09 - 9:26 pm | #
Diane
That's a tough one to read all the way through.
Hecate, Runnymeade Conspirator |
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07.05.09 - 9:26 pm | #
Ha! Except that's not what Biden said.
Culture of TrÜth |
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07.05.09 - 9:26 pm | #
Thanks, Erin and others. I never knew there were fireflies that didn't glow.
Hecate, Runnymeade Conspirator |
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07.05.09 - 9:27 pm | #
Ha! Except that's not what Biden said.
Culture of TrÜth
neither did I, Hecate. I'm pretty sure I've seen some with a faint glow but could have been something else...?
ErinPDX |
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07.05.09 - 9:29 pm | #
Assholes STILL setting off fireworks, here. AGAIN, BEFORE IT IS DARK ENOUGH TO SEE THEM.
I know how strongly you stand against paraphrasing peoples' statements.
The Kenosha Kid |
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07.05.09 - 9:30 pm | #
The first and only time I saw fireflies (or indeed birds that were any other colour but dun) was from my window on the second floor of the tacky apartments in Leavenworth. I thought they were both pretty kuhl. They weren't roadrunners or eagles, but still.
GWPDA yclept Damaged Historian |
07.05.09 - 9:31 pm | #
Speaking to host George Stephanopoulos from Camp Victory in Iraq, Biden told ABC that “we cannot dictate to another soveriegn nation … if they make the decision they are existentially threatened.”
Asked by Stephanopoulos about Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s assertion that he will give international peace efforts with Iran only until the end of the year to work, Biden insisted the US would not second-guess any decisions Israel makes regarding Iran.
“Israel can determine for itself — it’s a sovereign nation — what’s in their interest, and what they do with Iran or anything else,” said Biden.
Asked if the US would stand in the way of an Israeli attack on Iran’s nuclear facilities, Biden evaded the question.
NTodd,שלו |
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07.05.09 - 9:31 pm | #
Well now that you put it that way, I did read Biden as warning Israel not to attack Iran.
Culture of TrÜth |
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07.05.09 - 9:32 pm | #
STEPHANOPOULOS: And meanwhile, Prime Minister Netanyahu has made it pretty
clear that he agreed with President Obama to give until the end of the year
for this whole process of engagement to work. After that, he's prepared to
make matters into his own hands.
Is that the right approach?
BIDEN: Look, Israel can determine for itself -- it's a sovereign nation --
what's in their interest and what they decide to do relative to Iran and
anyone else.
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07.05.09 - 9:32 pm | #
"AGAIN, BEFORE IT IS DARK ENOUGH TO SEE THEM."
It's the sound, not the sight.
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07.05.09 - 9:33 pm | #
There's plenty in this part of Texas. I used to have a gf who was from California. I was really surprised when she saw them and had never seen them before. - Mark B.--Buzzkiller
I've lived all over CA state and have never seen them but we do have lotsa of 'June Bugs' right now on the Central Coast
focus, schmart too late... |
07.05.09 - 9:33 pm | #
There are fireflies in Arizona. True that few wetlands remain, but there are some.
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07.05.09 - 9:33 pm | #
STEPHANOPOULOS: Whether we agree or not?
BIDEN: Whether we agree or not. They're entitled to do that. Any sovereign
nation is entitled to do that. But there is no pressure from any nation
that's going to alter our behavior as to how to proceed.
What we believe is in the national interest of the United States, which we,
coincidentally, believe is also in the interest of Israel and the whole
world. And so there are separate issues.
If the Netanyahu government decides to take a course of action different
than the one being pursued now, that is their sovereign right to do that.
That is not our choice.
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07.05.09 - 9:33 pm | #
STEPHANOPOULOS: But just to be clear here, if the Israelis decide Iran is an
existential threat, they have to take out the nuclear program, militarily
the United States will not stand in the way?
BIDEN: Look, we cannot dictate to another sovereign nation what they can and
cannot do when they make a determination, if they make a determination that
they're existentially threatened and their survival is threatened by another
country.
STEPHANOPOULOS: You say we can't dictate, but we can, if we choose to, deny
over-flight rights here in Iraq. We can stand in the way of a military
strike.
BIDEN: I'm not going to speculate, George, on those issues, other than to
say Israel has a right to determine what's in its interests, and we have a
right and we will determine what's in our interests. http://www.imra.org.il/story.php...y.php3?
id=44307
Is it our choice to fund this, Biden? Huh?
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07.05.09 - 9:33 pm | #
I'm not gonna tell Netanyahu what to do, but he better be prepared to handle the consequences of his decisions. That's how I'd paraphrase it.
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07.05.09 - 9:34 pm | #
BIDEN: Look, Israel can determine for itself -- it's a sovereign nation --
what's in their interest and what they decide to do relative to Iran and
anyone else.
Sounds like the Obama administration is telling Israel that whatever they decide to do in regards to their "enemies" is up to them, but be prepared for the consequences of your actions. The U.S. will not save you.
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07.05.09 - 9:35 pm | #
I don't read that as a green light, and whatever the US position was in regard to Israel, he would say that.
Culture of TrÜth |
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07.05.09 - 9:35 pm | #
Coke to Mark B!
Monica_A: Giggity! |
07.05.09 - 9:35 pm | #
You're just doing what you have to do.
ms fahrenheit | 07.05.09 - 8:07 pm
That I am, and some of what I have to do just fucking sucks.
~ Meander, why shouldn't you feel bad? You're entitled to that, you know.
Sallyh, Grandmere Poissonniere | 07.05.09 - 8:08 pm
Because "feeling bad" interferes with what has to be done. That and the child's mother ruthlessly uses my feelings against me. See, I feel bad that my daughter isn't with me, I feel bad that her mother wants me bring her to her. I feel bad that the facts are that this would be a Very Bad Idea.
How old are kids when they start to say words, even ones as simple as "Ma" and "Da" and "Gimme that fucking rattle, looser?"
Nine months?
One year?
Older?
res ipsa loquitur |
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07.05.09 - 9:37 pm | #
We can deny flights over our little colony. But we won't dictate to other countries. LOL.
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07.05.09 - 9:37 pm | #
wow, i totally read it as a green light. If it was a red light, he'd warn that our funding will disappear, or other sanction. Sounds just like ambassador galaspee (sp?) if you ask me.
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07.05.09 - 9:38 pm | #
Coke to Mark B!
Monica_A: Giggity
So refreshing! And now I will misspell the possessive form of 'it' in order to annoy the grammarians.
It's flavor is fantastic!
Mark B.--Buzzkiller |
07.05.09 - 9:38 pm | #
BIDEN: Look, Israel can determine for itself -- it's a sovereign nation --
what's in their interest and what they decide to do relative to Iran and
anyone else.
OK, that's not a "green light". Not so concerned now...
What a load of bull that was.
fred |
07.05.09 - 9:39 pm | #
Full sentences when their are two or three, Res.
Monica_A: Giggity! |
07.05.09 - 9:39 pm | #
That statement sounds a lot like Biden refusing to give hard-line Likudniks any ammo.
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07.05.09 - 9:39 pm | #
Wow... one reporter on the CNN presser with Don Aaron of the Metro Nashville PD asked about a possible confrontation with Steve McNair and a woman at the Blue Moon Lagoon the night he was last seen alive (Friday night).
I recited the Gettysburg Address (in Italian) at eleven months!
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07.05.09 - 9:40 pm | #
That's what my mother said about me. I was mute until one day I started to speak in complete sentences. No word on whether I misused apostrophes.
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07.05.09 - 9:41 pm | #
I spoke at 18 months because I wanted shit and they didn't know what the fuck I was talking about.
Monica_A: Giggity! |
07.05.09 - 9:41 pm | #
If it was a red light, he'd warn that our funding will disappear, or other sanction.
Even this administration, with the movements it has made toward a balanced policy, would NEVER say anything about sanctions against Israel. Not without more work by us.
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07.05.09 - 9:42 pm | #
My kids started saying words when they were about 6-7 months old. But they decided not to walk until they were over a year or older.
mer |
07.05.09 - 9:42 pm | #
Is nine months too early?
I recited the Gettysburg Address (in Italian) at eleven months!
I never said you shouldn't be concerned. I don't know what they're saying in private. But at least go by what he really said.
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07.05.09 - 9:42 pm | #
I know I said "Da" first, b/c I knew on which side my bread was buttered.
No seriously ... nine months? Too early for words?
res ipsa loquitur |
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07.05.09 - 9:42 pm | #
How old do you have to be before you form a sentence like this?
"Critics are spinning, so hang in there as they feed false info on the right decision made as I enter last yr in office to not run again...."
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07.05.09 - 9:43 pm | #
I didn't know Lincoln was Italian.
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07.05.09 - 9:43 pm | #
No seriously ... nine months? Too early for words?
I don't think so. They may be a little garbled.
Monica_A: Giggity! |
07.05.09 - 9:43 pm | #
I spoke at 18 months because I wanted shit and they didn't know what the fuck I was talking about.
Monica_A: Giggity!
I bet whatever you said was funny.
"If you LOSE it means you LOST, right?"
(That was from one of the debates.)
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07.05.09 - 9:43 pm | #
res, speech-language milestones at the link. if not close to these, they should be evaluated by their local early childhood special education/early intervention program. Many kids "grow out of it" but why wait? That's what EI/Head Start is all about. http://
www.childdevelopmentinfo....velopment.shtml
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07.05.09 - 9:44 pm | #
Einstein's parents were so concerned that he never said a word -- took him to doctors, etc. -- nothing. Then when he was six years olfd at supper he said, "This soup's too cold!" His parents were ecstatic, jumping up and down -- finally calmed down enough to ask him why after all these years and doctor's visits he had never spoken ... "Well, up till now, everything's been OK ..."
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07.05.09 - 9:44 pm | #
I recited Remembrance of Things Past, backwards, in Latin, while I was being conceived.
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07.05.09 - 9:45 pm | #
Well, that would be how a 2YO would utter it.
A grownup would be more "Spinning is being done by critics, so hanging in there should be done by you as feeding false info is being done by critics with regard to progressing the right decision by me not to run again also."
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07.05.09 - 9:45 pm | #
9 months is probably early, but it depends on what they're saying. 'Mummy, I'd like another glass of milk' vs. 'Single payer is the only logical form of health care provision that can be imagined, much less implemented in today's society.'
GWPDA yclept Damaged Historian |
07.05.09 - 9:45 pm | #
Tiger is three and very vocal.
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07.05.09 - 9:45 pm | #
Thanks. I wasn't worried. I just asked my friend if his kid had said any words yet and he yelled at me.
(The friend not the kid. The kid is peachy.)
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07.05.09 - 9:46 pm | #
I bet whatever you said was funny.
I supposedly had a great command of curse words. Always used them in the proper context. This is according to my mother so I have to trust her on this.
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07.05.09 - 9:46 pm | #
I think Sarah Palin has a tremendous amount of class and definately practices what she preaches. She has graciously handled extreme disrespect and false accusations and I think she is an intelligent, down to earth, breath of fresh air! She has started a groundswell since Friday. The left will definitely burn in hell in 2010.
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07.05.09 - 9:46 pm | #
"Give me that lollipop, dammit!" Stuff like that. I wasn't cursing like a drunken sailor, but I knew how to get attention and what I wanted.
Monica_A: Giggity! |
07.05.09 - 9:48 pm | #
Sarah Palin: It would be too easy not to resign.
res ipsa loquitur |
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07.05.09 - 9:48 pm | #
take 100 kids who are not meeting those milestones. 20 will grow out of it, the rest will not and will start school behind. this is scientific fact. which would you choose for your child?
no harm in getting a screening or evaluation.
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07.05.09 - 9:48 pm | #
I love the Republicans spend $ buying ads on this site!
Prior Aelred |
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07.05.09 - 9:48 pm | #
Sarah Palin is now not just a loser, but a quitter, also!
Sometimes I read a few paragraphs of delusional crap and I just think ... why. How could someone be some completely unable to discern what is happening right in front of their eyes. Or maybe it's a parody troll. If it is, it's not a funny one. it's just fucking tiresome.
Mark B.--Buzzkiller |
07.05.09 - 9:49 pm | #
I think Sarah Palin has a tremendous amount of class and definately practices what she preaches. She has graciously handled extreme disrespect and false accusations and I think she is an intelligent, down to earth, breath of fresh air! She has started a groundswell since Friday. The left will definitely burn in hell in 2010.
Frances Porretto | 07.05.09 - 9:46 pm | #
Go to hell, asshole. Palin is a whining right wing bitch who is too fucking stoopid to live. I hate that bitch.
bill |
07.05.09 - 9:49 pm | #
Sarah Palin, down to earth--in the mud even, yes. Intelligent, I don't think so.
mer |
07.05.09 - 9:49 pm | #
Lighten up, Frances.
res ipsa loquitur | Homepage | 07.05.09 - 9:47 pm | #
bwahahaha!
Perfect timing for the perfect joke.
Anonymous |
07.05.09 - 9:50 pm | #
False Flags 'a Flyin'!
res ipsa loquitur |
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07.05.09 - 9:50 pm | #
Our first said something like "kiiitthh" everytime she saw our kitty when she was about 9 months.
Shared Humanity |
07.05.09 - 9:50 pm | #
"Critics are spinning, so hang in there as they feed false info on the right decision made as I enter last yr in office to not run again...."
The Kenosha Kid | Homepage | 07.05.09 - 9:43 pm | #
no fair you have to put it in the context of dead fish
pretzel |
07.05.09 - 9:50 pm | #
Einstein didn't speak until his was three.
Monica_A: Giggity! |
07.05.09 - 9:50 pm | #
"Give me that lollipop, dammit!" Stuff like that. I wasn't cursing like
a drunken sailor, but I knew how to get attention and what I wanted.
Hee - I went and got the stuff. Kept getting out of my crib whilst teh Big People were doing things. Finally ended up falling down teh steps into teh kitchen - ass over teakettle, remember this very vividly - landing on the landing head up and facing Mummy and Daddy who were absolutely shocked.... Was maybe 9 months. Ta-da!
Got to stock up on bratwurst.
Shared Humanity |
07.05.09 - 9:51 pm | #
As I said earlier, it's been an interesting week. Palin resigned and Sanford didn't. When will a Republican do the right thing for the voters who elected them and honor their oaths of office?
Rhetorical: I know the answer is 'never'.
Mark B.--Buzzkiller |
07.05.09 - 9:51 pm | #
I recently had the good fortune to hang out with a 14 month old who is trying to talk, and says "Hi" and "Bye" and tries a few other words...great age.
Missouri Bird |
07.05.09 - 9:52 pm | #
I need some more Finn jokes.
fred |
07.05.09 - 9:52 pm | #
Einstein didn't speak until his was three.
He was one of the lucky 20%. One Einstein does not a study make.
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07.05.09 - 9:52 pm | #
You were resourceful, GWPDA.
Monica_A: Giggity! |
07.05.09 - 9:52 pm | #
Once G/Son started talking, it's been nonstop.
Hecate, Runnymeade Conspirator |
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07.05.09 - 9:52 pm | #
I need some more Finn jokes.
fred | 07.05.09 - 9:52 pm | #
if you want fish puns, you've come to the right place.
pretzel |
07.05.09 - 9:53 pm | #
I have not heard anyone use the phrase "ass over teakettle" since daddy res died.
/wipes tear
res ipsa loquitur |
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07.05.09 - 9:54 pm | #
My parents sort of encouraged the bottle feeding (not breast feeding in those days) babies of appropriate age to throw their bottles into the garbage as they were now "big girls/boys"
I seem to recall the crying fit I had after having done so and learning of the consequences.
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07.05.09 - 9:54 pm | #
You were resourceful, GWPDA.
Purposeful I think. I can remember hearing them talking, downstairs in the kitchen, and thinking I want to be there instead of up here in this dark room..... And besides - the floors were covered with cork. Soft landing....
My Mom was a full-blooded Finn and only told Norwegian jokes (they are interchangeable though I assume).
Jill |
07.05.09 - 9:56 pm | #
Inexplicably, the laundry is not folding itself.
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07.05.09 - 9:56 pm | #
HECATE!
UOK?
Leaving for Anaheim on Wednesday -- General Convention of The Episcopal Church -- not looking forward to it!
Prior Aelred |
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07.05.09 - 9:56 pm | #
I have not heard anyone use the phrase "ass over teakettle" since daddy res died.
Awww.... I heard it most recently when one of my Fire Investigators was describing how he had reached for his ankle holstered weapon at the same time as he reached for the bullets which were in the -other- ankle holster....
Which was the most embarrasing, McGreevey, Sanford or Spitzer?
askin' |
07.05.09 - 9:57 pm | #
Finn jokes?
I read something about the Finns kicking the crap out of the Estonians in something called a "wife-carrying contest" today.
res ipsa loquitur |
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07.05.09 - 9:57 pm | #
My laundry won't even march into the washing machine. Ingrates.
The Kenosha Kid |
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07.05.09 - 9:57 pm | #
My laundry's on its own tonight--I'll look at it tomorrow.
Missouri Bird |
07.05.09 - 9:57 pm | #
Night all.
Shared Humanity |
07.05.09 - 9:58 pm | #
"I read something about the Finns kicking the crap out of the Estonians in something called a "wife-carrying contest" today."
I don't doubt. Have you ever seen an Estonian woman?
fred |
07.05.09 - 9:58 pm | #
i think the american guy won the hot dog contest
pretzel |
07.05.09 - 9:58 pm | #
I'm going to bed. Be good and don't feed the fucking trolls, goddammit!
[all the curse words were in context and not just tossed about. I don't understand why my mother felt the need to punish me for using words correctly. I don't punish Boy Ouzo for using curse words in the appropriate context. She was mean to me. ]
Monica_A: Giggity! |
07.05.09 - 9:58 pm | #
My laundry won't fold itself, and there is a basket of it.
mer |
07.05.09 - 9:59 pm | #
Does the baby babble? Make sounds and inflections as if it were really speaking? If memory serves, that's what comes just before words.
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07.05.09 - 9:59 pm | #
is it really such a terrible thing to leave it in the dryer overnight?
pretzel |
07.05.09 - 9:59 pm | #
Leaving for Anaheim on Wednesday -- General Convention of The Episcopal Church -- not looking forward to it!
I have not heard anyone use the phrase "ass over teakettle" since daddy res died.
Awww.... I heard it most recently when one of my Fire Investigators was describing how he had reached for his ankle holstered weapon at the same time as he reached for the bullets which were in the -other- ankle holster....
Yes, he babbles. He intonates. He smiles. He giggles. He flirts. He's great. He cracks me up.
Seriously. It was an innocent question. I wasn't asking if he passed some milestone. I honestly didn't know when they started talking.
res ipsa loquitur |
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07.05.09 - 10:01 pm | #
Towels can stay in the dryer overnight. Stuff that you wear that will wrinkle, not so much.
Hecate, Runnymeade Conspirator |
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07.05.09 - 10:01 pm | #
Prior, Did you hear about the drama at Riverside Church? I saw some congregants last weekend.
They were NOT happy campers.
res ipsa loquitur |
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07.05.09 - 10:02 pm | #
In the Whatever this is worth category.
Sarah Palin's facebook page.
oh good. its towels. or maybe, just maybe, they will in fact fold themselves overnight.
pretzel |
07.05.09 - 10:02 pm | #
wow, i totally read it as a green light. If it was a red light, he'd warn that our funding will disappear, or other sanction. Sounds just like ambassador galaspee (sp?) if you ask me.
ErinPDX | Homepage | 07.05.09 - 9:38 pm | #
Red light. White House officials said that the vice president's remarks demonstrated only U.S. allowance of Israeli sovereignty, and not a change in policy on the part of the Obama administration.
[...]
White House spokesman Tommy Vietor said Biden's remarks did not signaling any change of approach on Iran or Israel.
"The vice president refused to engage hypotheticals, and he made clear that our policy has not changed," Vietor said. "Our friends and allies, including Israel, know that the president believes that now is the time to explore direct diplomatic options."
rootless-e, ahora mas caliente |
07.05.09 - 10:02 pm | #
I'm gone - maybe Hecate can tell me if the great events predicted for me on Tuesday will come to pass. All I want is to hear from one of these sonsofbitches with jobs.
GWPDA yclept Damaged Historian |
07.05.09 - 10:02 pm | #
Good Prior ... would that be Anaheim, CA?
I'm actually from Orange County. You'll be in my old stomping grounds!
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07.05.09 - 10:02 pm | #
Leaving for Anaheim on Wednesday -- General Convention of The Episcopal Church -- not looking forward to it!
One of the costs of belonging to an organized religion.
____???? |
07.05.09 - 10:02 pm | #
Yes, he babbles. He intonates. He smiles. He giggles. He flirts. He's great. He cracks me up.
Sounds good. Just chat back as if you understand him. They love that.
Hecate, Runnymeade Conspirator |
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07.05.09 - 10:02 pm | #
I can't view Tweetbook pages without logging in, which would mean signing up for a new account, which I am not going to do.
Yes, but he knows I'll take his ass down faster than he could react. Do not fuck with the mother! People a lot smarter than he have tried and a lot of these smart people have failed.
Monica_A: Giggity! |
07.05.09 - 10:03 pm | #
Oh, I do. He cracks up. He loves people. He loves chatting. He is a seriously smiley kid.
res ipsa loquitur |
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07.05.09 - 10:04 pm | #
res! Whazzup @ Riverside?
Anaheim by Disneyland (if I had a choice...)
GenCon is usually in summer -- cheap prices for convention centers (although not necessarily for hotels -- that is up to individual dioceses) & "youth" can attend -- I booked a fleabag that is a block from the convention center -- my room plus tickets are less than the rooms alone for most deputies!
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07.05.09 - 10:06 pm | #
I will rip off his leg and beat him with it if he even thought about raising a hand to me, Kenosha.
[falls to the ground sweating profusely and breathing hard]
Well, let's see: three days without an update at TPM: what do they do with all of those people, eh?
DWD-YDWETAKIT? |
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07.05.09 - 10:07 pm | #
Sweet dreams, you lovely Moonbats. Go check out the almost-completely-full Moon before you go to bed.
Hecate, Runnymeade Conspirator |
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07.05.09 - 10:07 pm | #
(scared of Monica)
The Kenosha Kid |
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07.05.09 - 10:08 pm | #
Organized religion? I'm an Episcopalian! BTW, Frances Perkins is slated to be added to our calendar ("one of us")
Geez, and the NY Times has a front-page article explaining that job retraining doesn't work if there are no jobs.
(Wish I waz smart enuf to werk at the New Dork Tymes)
DWD-YDWETAKIT? |
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07.05.09 - 10:11 pm | #
Finally! I have been waiting for that laughyface
The Kenosha Kid |
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07.05.09 - 10:12 pm | #
wow, my CBS affiliate here in Central CA - has had a 'single screen frame' frozen for over 10 minutes - I hope the tech hasn't keeled over ...
focus, schmart too late... |
07.05.09 - 10:13 pm | #
Well, let's see: three days without an update at TPM: what do they do with all of those people, eh?
DWD-YDWETAKIT?
I've had the same question. I think they take weekends off, or at least JMM doesn't expect anyone to publish.
It's a tough place to work (I've read it here, so it must be true ) and a smart-if-demanding publisher would guarantee his staff two regular days off a week.
Upsidasium |
07.05.09 - 10:13 pm | #
Time to fold that laundry. Later.
res ipsa loquitur |
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07.05.09 - 10:14 pm | #
res -- re:Riverside -- sounds like there were issues on all sides -- hope a messy departure doesn't ruin things for whoever is next (it has destroyed some congregations)
Prior Aelred |
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07.05.09 - 10:15 pm | #
not a 'test pattern' or 'tech difficulties screen' or even snow - just some grat-haired guy holding a drink...
focus, schmart too late... |
07.05.09 - 10:15 pm | #
"The vice president refused to engage hypotheticals, and he made clear that our policy has not changed," Vietor said. "Our friends and allies, including Israel, know that the president believes that now is the time to explore direct diplomatic options."
rootless, then Biden is an idiot. (yes, we knew that.) The transcript includes not one statement indicating this is US policy. Seems like Biden should be repeating it over and over again no matter what question was asked. Instead he repeats himself over and over:
BIDEN: Look, Israel can determine for itself -- it's a sovereign nation --
what's in their interest and what they decide to do relative to Iran and
anyone else.
"South Carolina residents have been riveted by the unstable behavior of their Governor Mark Sanford, but they have other things to be very nervous about and they should be.
Terrified residents canceled Fourth of July plans and holed up in their homes Friday as investigators hunted a serial killer believed to have shot four people to death."
So a whole state should be afraid of someone who's killed a few people? How irrational is that?
fred |
07.05.09 - 10:18 pm | #
Boston got pretty freaked out when the Strangler was active, even among people who weren't in the victim category.
Wittgy |
07.05.09 - 10:20 pm | #
Mark Bittman is a judge on Iron Chef America tonight. Nice.
mer |
07.05.09 - 10:22 pm | #
So a whole state should be afraid of someone who's killed a few people? How irrational is that?
fred
Holing up, terrified, in South Carolina? Don't think so. More likely, locked, loaded, and ready.
And no, they're not Union...
Upsidasium |
07.05.09 - 10:22 pm | #
Well, he does say they can decide for themselves and we will decide for ourselves.
Sounds like a threat to me.
Seems like he's threatening both Iran and Israel.
rootless-e, ahora mas caliente |
07.05.09 - 10:22 pm | #
Damn! I hope I not as negative as Joe Galloway, but Obama and his People should be reading this: I kind of feel the same way, do you?
Obama's approval ratings are beginning to unwind and begin a long downward spiral among those who had believed in the promises of change. There was a golden moment when change was possible, but it is gone now.
There was one thing Obama absolutely had to do, even before tackling an economic meltdown and the Wall Street and big bank rip-offs:
He had to reassure Americans that we all live under the rule of law; that no one by virtue of holding the highest offices in the land, or having the biggest bank account, is above the law.
It was incumbent on new President Obama to step back and let justice be done. Let the investigators do their job, Not only to let justice be done but let justice be seen to be done.
But no. He said he wanted to focus on the future, not revisit the past. He needed to get moving on stimulating a floundering economy. And he screwed that up, too, reaching out to the very pirates who had looted their stockholders, their own companies, their own country to find someone to appoint as Treasury Secretary, thus reassuring Wall Street that he wasn't going to turn over any apple carts.
Mark Bittman is a judge on Iron Chef America tonight. Nice.
me
Bittman: "HOW ARE YA!!!!!" *jazz hands*
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07.05.09 - 10:23 pm | #
BIDEN: Whether we agree or not. They're entitled to do that. Any sovereign
nation is entitled to do that. But there is no pressure from any nation
that's going to alter our behavior as to how to proceed.
rootless-e, ahora mas caliente |
07.05.09 - 10:25 pm | #
Penquin Fan
don't find this stuff funny
ymmv
ErinPDX
I've said several things that are offensive.
You'll need to be more specific.
Penguin Fan |
07.05.09 - 10:25 pm | #
There was a golden moment when change was possible, but it is gone now.
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Bummer. I guess I should stop reading the news now.
rootless-e, ahora mas caliente |
07.05.09 - 10:26 pm | #
one way or the other we're all doooooomed...
nick carraway |
07.05.09 - 10:28 pm | #
There was a golden moment when change was possible, but it is gone now.
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Bummer. I guess I should stop reading the news now.
rootless-e, ahora mas caliente
I'm trying not to be where you are, but damn, it's hard...
Upsidasium |
07.05.09 - 10:28 pm | #
"There was a golden moment when change was possible, but it is gone now."
We're doomed, I tells ya - DOOMED.
fred |
07.05.09 - 10:28 pm | #
Twist of lime, Nick?
fred |
07.05.09 - 10:29 pm | #
There was a golden moment when change was possible, but it is gone now.
*Breaks O key on keyboard*
Penguin Fan |
07.05.09 - 10:29 pm | #
What Joe Galloway said.
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QuentinCompson, Retributionary |
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07.05.09 - 10:30 pm | #
sounds good, fred
(hums the Python song about "looking on the bright side of life")
nick carraway |
07.05.09 - 10:31 pm | #
I'm trying not to be where you are, but damn, it's hard...
Upsidasium | 07.05.09 - 10:28 pm | #
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What's weird is that I'm more optimistic because I'm more cynical. I don't see that there ever was any golden moment. We dodged a bullet and now we gotta try to move forward a little.
rootless-e, ahora mas caliente |
07.05.09 - 10:31 pm | #
Well, in case you have not noticed: the criminals are still running free, the economy sinks further into the shitter, the Taibi Article really has me disgusted (This SHOULD be the story of the year. It will be forgotten by Monday if it already has not)
I am sorry: Barack seems hopelessly lost in a moral sense. (At least to me)
DWD-YDWETAKIT? |
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07.05.09 - 10:32 pm | #
what the fok does YDWETAKIT? mean?
fokowi |
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07.05.09 - 10:33 pm | #
Look, I don't think we are doomed but the current administration had better follow their higher instincts and correct some of their mistakes and try to be a little more moral and rational.
DWD-YDWETAKIT? |
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07.05.09 - 10:34 pm | #
rootless-e, I feel the same way. Things can't continue the way they are now, so change will come. So it might be later than sooner, but change will come.
mer |
07.05.09 - 10:34 pm | #
what the fok does YDWETAKIT? mean?
fokowi
Why
Do
We
Take
It
?
DWD-YDWETAKIT? |
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07.05.09 - 10:34 pm | #
What's weird is that I'm more optimistic because I'm more cynical. I don't see that there ever was any golden moment. We dodged a bullet and now we gotta try to move forward a little.
rootless-e, ahora mas caliente
Primaries, as the esteemed simels had said. Time and demographics are on our side.
Upsidasium |
07.05.09 - 10:35 pm | #
Sitting on the sidelines is safe.
fred |
07.05.09 - 10:35 pm | #
There was a golden moment when change was possible, but it is gone now.
I'm not at all pleased with the Democrats. But I will give them some time. I think turning around the economy is a little like turning around a 747 (unless Barry's driving).
Sallyh, Grandmere Poissonniere |
07.05.09 - 10:37 pm | #
doom is a state of mind. think it, and therefore it is/am/are/does.
fokowi |
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07.05.09 - 10:39 pm | #
we no longer have the luxury of time
ErinPDX |
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07.05.09 - 10:39 pm | #
dwd, you left out an o otherwise i would've figured it out.
fokowi |
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07.05.09 - 10:39 pm | #
Sitting on the sidelines is safe.
fred
Until the bad guys win.
And primaries don't generally include sitting on the sidelines, unless you don't care about the outcome.
Upsidasium |
07.05.09 - 10:40 pm | #
Yeah, the Republicans have us right where they want us.
Sallyh, the congress critters that are Democrats--some as bad as the Republicans, need to know they will not be reelected if they continue to support the corporations instead of the people who elect them.
mer |
07.05.09 - 10:40 pm | #
If anything, the Obama campaign's tendency to oversell his abilities (can't remember how many people told me 'Barack is the Only One who can Fix America', it was a lot) has caught up with his Presidency... we never have elected a Superman in the past, and he ain't one either.
nick carraway |
07.05.09 - 10:41 pm | #
Sallyh, Grandmere Poissonniere
But Sallyh, I just do not see them addressing the problems of the working people while they are letting the banksters rob and steal at will: I cannot believe this is a formula for success.
We were told that the TARP money would enable banks to start making loans and energize the economy: as I understand it they are borrowing money from the government at 0% interest and investing it in whatever financial instruments give the greatest rate of return all the while denying loans and upping fees.
That is certainly not what *I* had in mind.
DWD-YDWETAKIT? |
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07.05.09 - 10:41 pm | #
Now is the time when the primary money is being raised.
Obama has them by the short hairs,
Penguin Fan |
07.05.09 - 10:42 pm | #
we no longer have the luxury of time
ErinPDX | Homepage | 07.05.09 - 10:39 pm | #
what about the luxury of despair?
isn't that the characteristic operational mode of the american left: toss hands in air, shrug, say "I told ya" and head to the bar? Hey, that sounds good.
rootless-e, ahora mas caliente |
07.05.09 - 10:42 pm | #
Sally, how's things going?
nick carraway |
07.05.09 - 10:42 pm | #
Obama didn't have to a Superman. But did he have to put a guy in charge of SEC enforcement who was a prime time speaker at the 2004 GOP convention?
Wittgy |
07.05.09 - 10:42 pm | #
nick carraway,
Not asking him to be superman (strawman - if you will) I am asking him to do the things he PROMISED to do. Restore openness, fight for working people, support initiatives like Employee Free Choice Act, stop government discrimination against people because of their sexual preferences, investigate the CRIMES of the past and prosecute those who broke the law.
That is not superman territory, it is pretty damned reasonable.
DWD-YDWETAKIT? |
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07.05.09 - 10:43 pm | #
I suggest we drink heavily.
Penguin Fan |
07.05.09 - 10:44 pm | #
(I am speaking English, right?)
DWD-YDWETAKIT? |
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07.05.09 - 10:44 pm | #
i'm digging the winger argument that the problem is the stimulus wasn't big enough due to rosy projections but they don't want to put anymore in due to the newest shitty projections. can't win/can't win is no way to go thru fucking life...
fokowi |
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07.05.09 - 10:44 pm | #
That is not superman territory, it is pretty damned reasonable.
DWD-YDWETAKIT? | Homepage | 07.05.09 - 10:43 pm | #
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Nah, it's superhuman.
rootless-e, ahora mas caliente
OK, in spite of past experiences, I'll play: why?
DWD-YDWETAKIT? |
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07.05.09 - 10:46 pm | #
I got a T-shirt for my birthday that says "Pittsburgh, on ice or grass we kick your ass"
Penguin Fan |
07.05.09 - 10:46 pm | #
we no longer have the luxury of time
ErinPDX
I agree. We need to push it. But the Permanent Republican Majority, the New Aristocracy, the Second Gilded Age, is tearing itself apart. Narrow self-interest has its limits.
My only point is that we have a chance now. You're absolutely right, we need to grab it.
Upsidasium |
07.05.09 - 10:46 pm | #
Nick, okay.
She got in around 12:30 last night, and I really laid into her. Turns out she'd been at a club with some friends, she wasn't high, and she had turned off her phone because her might soon be ex SO had been hassling her incessantly. I told her, you take my car, you tell me where it's going, and don't lie to me ever again.
(She had said she was with a certain gf when she wasn't.)
no, i'm angry, not despairing.
and i'm making calls, sending letters, contributing, and leaving petitions off in congresscritter offices
DWD, I hear ya. No reason at all he can't do those things, especially withhold the rule of law.
ErinPDX |
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07.05.09 - 10:47 pm | #
DWD (and Wittgy): yeah, that was a superstrawman, wasn't it... I guess I'm playing both sides on the issue... he could be more left than he is, he's got the room for it, and yet I'm not quite as ready as you guys to start back-seat driving on him... always felt my personal judgment on him was going to come after the mid-terms.
nick carraway |
07.05.09 - 10:48 pm | #
"I got a T-shirt for my birthday that says "Pittsburgh, on ice or grass we kick your ass""
Democrats have to learn that watering down their proposals to try and appease Republicants and win their votes and support is a waste of time.
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07.05.09 - 10:48 pm | #
Greetings from the Western Cascades.
I had only seen one skunk baby this year and thought, well, maybe that is the only survivor- this year's Mama Skunk is smaller than last year.
Well wrong- there are 9!! She had them all out this evening and I got several pictures before my camera battery died. Ugh. I'll get new batteries and send the best group photos to Jeffraham tomorrow.
They ate the dog food we threw out- they push and shove and make little squeeky-humming sounds. Nothing is cuter than skunk babies
Damned at Random |
07.05.09 - 10:49 pm | #
:cough: - Pirates - :cough:
Uncle Blodge, MTC
go boo Santa.
Penguin Fan |
07.05.09 - 10:49 pm | #
Believe me, my congresscritters probably hate my guts for how often I bug them. (Several times a week). I talk to people. When I'm teaching, I try to inject some level of rational thinking into it.
I don't think that qualifies as sitting on the sidelines.
Sally: very glad to hear that. Was wondering on-and-off all day how you'd made out on that.
going for shower now, back later probably...
nick carraway |
07.05.09 - 10:50 pm | #
Nothing is cuter than skunk babies
FACT!
See all of you peeps later.
Thumper |
07.05.09 - 10:50 pm | #
Sarah Fast and Loose learned to turn tiger butter into milk on the basketball court.
Ponzarelli |
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07.05.09 - 10:51 pm | #
I think having an outspoken liberal like Sen. Franken on the floor terrifies Republicans and Corporatecrats.
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07.05.09 - 10:51 pm | #
OK, in spite of past experiences, I'll play: why?
DWD-YDWETAKIT? | Homepage | 07.05.09 - 10:46 pm | #
Because the bureaucracy and judiciary, the military, the security forces and so on are all infiltrated by 30 years of winger burrowing and they weren't so great before, because the senate is filled with stupid corrupt people, because the economy is in the shitter and highly centralized in the hands of horrible people who think extortion is fun, because the industrial base has been destroyed and can't be recreated without a miracle, because there is a massive worldwide military apparatus that does bad things but is in an unstable and totally dangerous situation and because the public is filled with nonsense, poorly educated, and because the media is totally controlled by forces ranging from corporate liars to full on wackos, and because the environment is collapsing.
A week without a police state is a major victory.
rootless-e, ahora mas caliente |
07.05.09 - 10:52 pm | #
Jeffraham, we just had pig for dinner
Sallyh, Grandmere Poissonniere |
07.05.09 - 10:53 pm | #
Paradoxically, when I express disappointment at Obama's actions so far, it's because he's doing exactly what I thought he would do.
Sure, I'd love a Euro-style Social Democrat. Sure, I'll take what I can get under our present system, and sure, I'll be disappointed at the result.
Hell, I changed my voter registration to Columbia County to vote for Kristen Gillibrand for Congress. I don't know if I am naive or jaded at this point.
Wittgy |
07.05.09 - 10:53 pm | #
I think having an outspoken liberal like Sen. Franken on the floor terrifies Republicans and Corporatecrats.
Quick witted as well. The repubs can try to make him out as a clown, but his barbs will draw blood.
Damned at Random |
07.05.09 - 10:53 pm | #
Democrats have to learn that watering down their proposals to try and appease Republicants and win their votes and support is a waste of time.
George Johnston
Democrats have to learn that watering down their proposals to try and appease Republicants and win their votes and support is a waste of time.
George Johnston
Imagine what the economic and political situation would be if Obama had not watered down the stimulus to get those 3 Puke votes that were the margin of victory.
rootless-e, ahora mas caliente |
07.05.09 - 10:56 pm | #
I'm sick of hearing it takes 60 votes to pass a bill. It takes 60 votes to end a filibuster- so if they make the threat, MAKE THEM FUCKING FILIBUSTER. They'll get tired of it after it shows them up for the obstructionist whiners they are. Make them filibuster every time they threaten it before the 2010 elections and see haw it works out for them.
Damned at Random |
07.05.09 - 10:57 pm | #
I got a T-shirt for my birthday that says "Pittsburgh, on ice or grass we kick your ass" - Penguin Fan
wow, how cool ... do they have any in Mens sizes?
focus, schmart too late... |
07.05.09 - 10:58 pm | #
Make them filibuster every time they threaten it before the 2010 elections and see haw it works out for them.
Damned at Random
Jayuff Sayussions, reading from the phone book - comedy gold.
Oh better yet, David Vitter reading from the Yellow Pages - "D. Diaper services..."
Upsidasium |
07.05.09 - 11:01 pm | #
Roddick would have won in straight sets, but he dropped three set points in the second set tie-break and just that quickly turned an easy coast into an impossible slog.
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07.05.09 - 11:01 pm | #
Because the bureaucracy and judiciary, the military, the security forces and so on are all infiltrated by 30 years of winger burrowing and they weren't so great before
And. . . The president has great personal power: that is what the job consists of for dog's sake.
Following the rule of law is easier than not: taking a moral stand is always more defensible than taking an amoral or immoral stand.
Those who broke the law NEED to be called on it. (If not, the lawbreaking will continue. Gerald Ford made the biggest mistake when he refused to allow prosecution of Nixon)
DWD-YDWETAKIT? |
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07.05.09 - 11:02 pm | #
Those who broke the law NEED to be called on it. (If not, the lawbreaking will continue. Gerald Ford made the biggest mistake when he refused to allow prosecution of Nixon)
DWD-YDWETAKIT? | Homepage | 07.05.09 - 11:02 pm | #
All of Nixon's top domestic aides went to jail.
rootless-e, ahora mas caliente |
07.05.09 - 11:03 pm | #
because the senate is filled with stupid corrupt people,
Yep: and Harry Reid is #1 with a bullet. He seems incapable of doing anything but capitulating. Are you certain that a meeting at the White House where the law is laid down would not help? (I am not)
because the economy is in the shitter and highly centralized in the hands of horrible people who think extortion is fun,
And we can do nothing about this? Obama and the requisite agencies could end this bullshit tomorrow. If they wanted.
because the industrial base has been destroyed and can't be recreated without a miracle,
Again, bullshit: all it takes is will and the strength of law. We NEED to be reasonable in our trade policies and encourage manufacturing to grow. But destroying the auto industry and its workers hardly seems an auspicious beginning, does it?
because there is a massive worldwide military apparatus that does bad things but is in an unstable and totally dangerous situation
We could begin by getting the fuck out of Afghanistan and Iraq: then, while we are at it: pull our troops out of Western Europe (no longer a Soviet threat, eh)
DWD-YDWETAKIT? |
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07.05.09 - 11:03 pm | #
and because the public is filled with nonsense, poorly educated,
And educating the public is NOT possible? I do not believe that.
and because the media is totally controlled by forces ranging from corporate liars to full on wackos,
And we could end this bullshit as well, if we had the will.
and because the environment is collapsing
- not around here or anywhere else I know of. . . .
A week without a police state is a major victory.
And every week we move closer. . . .
DWD-YDWETAKIT? |
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07.05.09 - 11:04 pm | #
None of Bush's top aides will ever see jail, despite worse, more deadly crimes.
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QuentinCompson, Retributionary |
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07.05.09 - 11:04 pm | #
we could use the troops we bring home on infrastructure improvement projects.
pretzel |
07.05.09 - 11:05 pm | #
I am hoping Sarah spends two weeks of every month now touring the states doing fundraisers for the sweeping Republican revival in 2010 that is now developing. I hope she establishes a new national grassroots organization to fight for conservative causes. And I hope she starts a new national think tank in Washington.
She could pick up the mantle for social conservatism for the late Paul Weyrich in Washington, reinvigorating the pro-life cause and defense of traditional values. Conservatives of all stripes are now rallying to Sarah, this is an enormous movement growing which will sweep out the Socilaists in 2010 and 2012. Obama is already yesterdays news.
Frances Porretto |
07.05.09 - 11:05 pm | #
Again, bullshit: all it takes is will and the strength of law.
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You're an optimist. I'm not. I think that moving mountains takes time and bulldozers, not "will".
rootless-e, ahora mas caliente |
07.05.09 - 11:07 pm | #
This whole precedent argument is wishful thinking.
rootless-e
(I understand the need to make trades of sorts, or set priorities, but let's don't pretend they don't have costs)
nick carraway |
07.05.09 - 11:09 pm | #
Nick, as it's always repeated, there is no free lunch.
Sallyh, Grandmere Poissonniere |
07.05.09 - 11:10 pm | #
i dont know how much republican lawbreaking was deterred by haldeman and erlichman going to jail. i assume some. and no haloscan i dont have an invalid email address.
pretzel |
07.05.09 - 11:10 pm | #
Evening y'all. That was a week and half a kidney I'll never get back.
I am home. I've been crashed on the couch a few hours, worshipping my Vicodin bottle.
racymind, owner of 1.5 kidneys |
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07.05.09 - 11:12 pm | #
Quentin hits a 3 from half court
ErinPDX |
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07.05.09 - 11:12 pm | #
{{{{racymind, owner of 1.5 kidneys}}}}
So glad to hear from you!
ErinPDX |
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07.05.09 - 11:13 pm | #
pretzel, I tend to think of the Bush Administration as the grotesque result of Nixon's presidency.
Sallyh, Grandmere Poissonniere |
07.05.09 - 11:13 pm | #
at least Haldeman and Ehrlichman weren't commiting any more crimes... but this all goes back to the congressional Dems not being willing to start working against BushCo back in '07. They dropped a ball Obama won't pick up.
nick carraway |
07.05.09 - 11:14 pm | #
I tend to think of the Bush Administration as the grotesque result of Nixon's presidency.
Sallyh, Grandmere Poissonniere | 07.05.09 - 11:13 pm |
Half the staff were retreads, or their children.
Wittgy |
07.05.09 - 11:14 pm | #
Racymind, I hope your recovery is going well! I'm so glad to see you!
It did a pretty good job deterring Haldeman and Erlichman.
Contrariwise, Eliot Abrams just finished another long senior stint in the government, and his pal, Admiral Poindexter even made it back, albeit briefly.
If they do the crime, they should do the time. Or show me why not?
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QuentinCompson, Retributionary |
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07.05.09 - 11:15 pm | #
pretzel, I tend to think of the Bush Administration as the grotesque result of Nixon's presidency.
Sallyh, Grandmere Poissonniere | 07.05.09 - 11:13 pm | #
in a way, it certainly energised the base and some rich industrialists to "take back the country". the southern strategy was already in place, and ronald reagan was touring the country giving his death valley days speech. then they used nonstop smearing and external events to topple carter, while infiltrating the bureaucracy and gaming the media.
pretzel |
07.05.09 - 11:16 pm | #
(Hospitals are nice places for a day or two. Then they start to get really annoying.)
DWD-
Oh, I developed some problems that added a couple of painful days after a very good initial surgery/recovery. So, "annoying" a strong enough word for me right now.
Just fucking glad to be out of there.
racymind, owner of 1.5 kidneys |
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07.05.09 - 11:16 pm | #
but this all goes back to the congressional Dems not being willing to start working against BushCo back in '07. They dropped a ball Obama won't pick up.
i think some of them are being blackmailed.
pretzel |
07.05.09 - 11:17 pm | #
How are you racymind?
Doug |
07.05.09 - 11:18 pm | #
Evening y'all. That was a week and half a kidney I'll never get back.
I am home. I've been crashed on the couch a few hours, worshipping my Vicodin bottle.
racymind, owner of 1.5 kidneys
Yay! Good to see you back.
Upsidasium |
07.05.09 - 11:18 pm | #
Just fucking glad to be out of there.
Oorah.
Now maintain a good relationship with your drugs.
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QuentinCompson, Retributionary |
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07.05.09 - 11:19 pm | #
I am home. I've been crashed on the couch a few hours, worshipping my Vicodin bottle. - racymind
Hugzzah!!!! - welcome back friend.
focus, w/.5 extra kidney to sh |
07.05.09 - 11:19 pm | #
half a kidney I'll never get back.
Good when served with fava beans.
Doug |
07.05.09 - 11:19 pm | #
the kid looks like he's having a good time fokowi. mum's the word.
pretzel |
07.05.09 - 11:19 pm | #
pretzel, I tend to think of the Bush Administration as the grotesque result of Nixon's presidency.
Sallyh, Grandmere Poissonniere | 07.05.09 - 11:13 pm | #
in a way, it certainly energised the base and some rich industrialists to "take back the country". the southern strategy was already in place, and ronald reagan was touring the country giving his death valley days speech. then they used nonstop smearing and external events to topple carter, while infiltrating the bureaucracy and gaming the media.
pretzel
To that I would only add, "Buying" the media.
Upsidasium |
07.05.09 - 11:20 pm | #
Wasn't Sanford going to be Palin's running mate?
Ponzarelli |
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07.05.09 - 11:21 pm | #
Racy-kidney cancer?
My spousal unit lost a kidney to cancer in 2006 and is doing fine. If you need support, I'll pass on his email
Damned at Random |
07.05.09 - 11:21 pm | #
i'd give racy one of my kidneys but at this point in life i'm not sure if they're on the verge of defectiveness or maybe they're bionic. in other words, it's good to see racy back. also.
fokowi |
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07.05.09 - 11:22 pm | #
{{{racy!}}}
West Ina Road |
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07.05.09 - 11:22 pm | #
now that i think about it, i guess ronalds canned speech was more before he became gov of california. after, there were other canned speeches.
pretzel |
07.05.09 - 11:22 pm | #
Racymind! Take care, plz.
Ali |
07.05.09 - 11:23 pm | #
hi racymind!
Culture of TrÜth |
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07.05.09 - 11:23 pm | #
i think some of them are being blackmailed.
pretzel
That's crazy talk.
It's also the conclusion I have reached. I think TPTB only use it for a few key things and let a lot go. Pelosi and Reid, and probably a few committee chairs - that's all it would take to get the laws you need to protect your profits and power.
It did a pretty good job deterring Haldeman and Erlichman.
Contrariwise, Eliot Abrams just finished another long senior stint in the government, and his pal, Admiral Poindexter even made it back, albeit briefly.
If they do the crime, they should do the time. Or show me why not?
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QuentinCompson, Retributionary | Homepage | 07.05.09 - 11:15 pm |
Abrahms was committing felonies in the WH in 1981 - 6 years after Halderman's conviction.
People like that ALWAYS think they have got it wired.
"Should" has nothing to do with it.
Should?
How about, let's waste a lot of time bringing cases to Judge Sentelle and Rogers because all we need for the rule of law is some determination, I guess.
rootless-e, ahora mas caliente |
07.05.09 - 11:23 pm | #
Racy-kidney cancer?
Yeah... I paid for that half a kidney with a fair bit of pain and anxiety. It's so much easier to yank a whole kidney. For some silly reason I have enough enthusiasm for life to want that half-a-kidney insurance policy.
racymind, owner of 1.5 kidneys |
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07.05.09 - 11:24 pm | #
Raygun had lots of practice running for president before he finally got elected. Wasn't he in the primaries in '68, '72 and '76?
Ponzarelli |
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07.05.09 - 11:26 pm | #
76 for sure, cant remember about 72 or 68
pretzel |
07.05.09 - 11:27 pm | #
When he ran in '80 I thought he was going after Stassen's record.
Ponzarelli |
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07.05.09 - 11:28 pm | #
focus,
You are funny.
racymind,
{{{{{mwah}}}}}!!!!
res ipsa loquitur |
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07.05.09 - 11:28 pm | #
So far, however, congressional debate has centered on the administration's plan to put the Federal Reserve in charge of these "systemically significant" companies. Less attention has focused on the potential effect on the institutions and the financial system's hierarchy.
Under the administration's proposal, companies such as Citi, Goldman Sachs and others in a broad top tier engaged in complex transactions would face stricter scrutiny and have to hold more assets and more cash as cushions against a downturn.
They also would have to anticipate their own demise, drafting detailed descriptions of how they could be dismantled quickly without causing damaging repercussions. Think of it as planning their own funerals — and burials.
Obama's plan, in short, aims to make it far less appealing to be so big.
1Watt, Hermit |
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07.05.09 - 11:28 pm | #
In '76 he offered himself up as co-president to Ford. He was hanging around the conventions looking nubile from '68 on.
Wittgy |
07.05.09 - 11:29 pm | #
from the first few paragraphs at wiki, seems like he ran in 68 and 76 but not 72. that was the year of nixons big victory.
pretzel |
07.05.09 - 11:30 pm | #
Racy - they had only planned to take part of Larry's as well- but when they got in they couldn't tell the cancer tissue from the healthy stuff visually so they took the whole kidney. He's doing great now, but it took several months before he had his old energy. The six month check up was scary, but he came out clean and every checkup is a little easier.
Good luck - take it real easy for a while. Again, I lurk here pretty regular and post occasionally- if you need some one who has been there/done that, I'll hook you up.
Damned at Random |
07.05.09 - 11:31 pm | #
the ford reagan fight was brutal in 76. the moderates didnt last long after that.
pretzel |
07.05.09 - 11:31 pm | #
Thanks for all the love, youse guys!
racymind, owner of 1.5 kidneys |
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07.05.09 - 11:32 pm | #
Pretzel --- that's right. The western states were in turmoil because they loved Reagan but they were into loyalty. Willard Mariott played a big role in that convention, keeping the folks on board. Reagan got his pay off the next time around.
Wittgy |
07.05.09 - 11:33 pm | #
Wasn't Sanford going to be Palin's running mate?
Ponzarelli
Having 1.5 kidneys is 100% better than having 2 kidneys and half a brain, which is what most of our trolls have.
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07.05.09 - 11:34 pm | #
I always assumed the trolls were on dialysis.
Wittgy |
07.05.09 - 11:35 pm | #
I always assumed that trolls were born in the top of a stupid tree, and fell out, hitting every branch on the way down.
I always assumed the trolls were tortoises, all the way down.
Wittgy |
07.05.09 - 11:37 pm | #
Abrahms was committing felonies in the WH in 1981 - 6 years after Halderman's conviction.
That was my point, that if Abrams and Poindexter had gone to jail then maybe they would not have turned up again with Shrub at Uncle Sugar's tit.
It is an idea in support of the notion advanced earlier that it might be good for the country if the Bush criminals were investigated and prosecuted. Rule of law regardless of station blah blah blah.
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QuentinCompson, Retributionary |
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07.05.09 - 11:38 pm | #
We aren't going to have a Truth and Reconciliation process in this country. Not this time. Because the victims were mostly foreign, mostly Muslim, mostly dark skinned. Same for criminal prosecutions. It's not in the cards, this time.
Wittgy |
07.05.09 - 11:41 pm | #
Prison guard works to recall governor
A state corrections officer is more than a little upset with Gov. Jennifer Granholm for closing prisons -- including the one where he works.
Paul Piche of Omer wants to recall Granholm. In petitions he filed last week with the Ingham County clerk, Piche charged that Granholm has closed 11 prisons, released 4,000 inmates, wants to release 6,000 more and "is directly responsible for all the new crimes committed."
Piche, 51, a corrections officer for 24 years, works at the Standish Maximum Correctional Facility, one of eight prisons Granholm has ordered closed to reduce state spending.
If the petition language is approved at a hearing Wednesday, the petition drive could begin. It would take more than 950,000 valid signatures to put a recall on a statewide ballot.
Just raise the revenue to fix the roads, bridges, and keep the criminals in prison and the police working, OK?
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07.05.09 - 11:41 pm | #
Delicious summer evening here, not too warm, not too cold, not muggy at all.
It is an idea in support of the notion advanced earlier that it might be good for the country if the Bush criminals were investigated and prosecuted. Rule of law regardless of station blah blah blah.
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QuentinCompson, Retributionar
YES.
Not prosecuting Nixon said it was OK as long as you were the president.
Not prosecuting Bush AND EVERYONE ELSE WHO BROKE THE LAW INCLUDING MEMBERS OF THE MILITARY, CIA, and CONGRESS is an abomination cementing the malaise of this country.
DWD-YDWETAKIT? |
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07.05.09 - 11:43 pm | #
THe vicodin must be working, Adult Swim is making sense.
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07.05.09 - 11:46 pm | #
Familiar Players in Health Bill Lobbying
Firms Are Enlisting Ex-Lawmakers, Aides
By Dan Eggen and Kimberly Kindy
Washington Post Staff Writers
Monday, July 6, 2009
The nation's largest insurers, hospitals and medical groups have hired more than 350 former government staff members and retired members of Congress in hopes of influencing their old bosses and colleagues, according to an analysis of lobbying disclosures and other records.
The tactic is so widespread that three of every four major health-care firms have at least one former insider on their lobbying payrolls, according to The Washington Post's analysis.
Nearly half of the insiders previously worked for the key committees and lawmakers, including Sens. Max Baucus (D-Mont.) and Charles E. Grassley (R-Iowa), debating whether to adopt a public insurance option opposed by major industry groups. At least 10 others have been members of Congress, such as former House majority leaders Richard K. Armey (R-Tex.) and Richard A. Gephardt (D-Mo.), both of whom represent a New Jersey pharmaceutical firm.
The hirings are part of a record-breaking influence campaign by the health-care industry, which is spending more than $1.4 million a day on lobbying in the current fight, according to disclosure records. And even in a city where lobbying is a part of life, the scale of the effort has drawn attention. For example, the Pharmaceutical Research and Manufacturers of America (PhRMA) doubled its spending to nearly $7 million in the first quarter of 2009, followed by Pfizer, with more than $6 million.
The push has reunited many who worked together in government on health-care reform, but are now employed as advocates for pharmaceutical and insurance companies.
A June 10 meeting between aides to Baucus, chairman of the Senate Finance Committee, and health-care lobbyists included two former Baucus chiefs of staff: David Castagnetti, whose clients include PhRMA and America's Health Insurance Plans, and Jeffrey A. Forbes, who represents PhRMA, Amgen, Genentech, Merck and others. Castagnetti did not return a telephone call; Forbes declined to comment.
Also inside the closed committee hearing room that day was Richard Tarplin, a veteran of both the Department of Health and Human Services and the Senate, where he worked for Christopher J. Dodd (D-Conn.), one of the leaders in fashioning reform legislation this year. Tarplin now represents the American Medical Association as head of his own lobbying firm, Tarplin Strategies. http://www.washingtonpost.com/
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DWD-YDWETAKIT? |
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07.05.09 - 11:46 pm | #
THe vicodin must be working, Adult Swim is making sense.
DWD- -- I agree with you, in all essentials. Part of the problem is that the legalities have been obscured. An army of DOJ professionals has labored to create ambiguity where there should be clarity, thereby providing defenses for any potential administration defendants.
Of course you can say: well, all those people are enablers, also belong in the dock, etc. I agree with you, but it's not going to happen.
Wittgy |
07.05.09 - 11:46 pm | #
still where we were?
nick carraway |
07.05.09 - 11:48 pm | #
Obama should dig up Nixon's corpse and put his bleached bones on trial.
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07.05.09 - 11:49 pm | #
Obama should dig up Nixon's corpse and put his bleached bones on trial.
Culture of TrÜth
Bleaching the bones would be racist
racymind, owner of 1.5 kidneys |
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07.05.09 - 11:50 pm | #
My uncle used to argue that Nixon should be displayed in the St Louis zoo as an admonition to our nation's youth.
Wittgy |
07.05.09 - 11:52 pm | #
Nick, I think we're somewhere close to where we were before. Or not.
Sallyh, Grandmere Poissonniere |
07.05.09 - 11:53 pm | #
that's why I don't know how to make slanties, wouldn't be able to stop.
"stop making slanties"-- David Byrne carries a grudge against the rest of the Talking Heads for not letting him use that as an album title...
nick carraway |
07.05.09 - 11:54 pm | #
Sally: yes. Which is either too far or not far enough. What else is new with you?
nick carraway |
07.05.09 - 11:55 pm | #
I really think the problem can best be explained this way: Americans, when they understand an issue, are really quite liberal.
Our politicians rum the gamut from facist to right wing kooks. There is no middle and there certainly is no one to represent the people who are liberal, for the most part.
DWD-YDWETAKIT? |
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07.05.09 - 11:59 pm | #
DWD: Americans, when they understand an issue, are really quite liberal.
Hence, we must destroy the educational system that might enable them to understand issues, no?
Wittgy |
07.06.09 - 12:00 am | #
Sally: know what you feel. There's still things I think Dad should know about... close to seven years on.
nick carraway |
07.06.09 - 12:00 am | #
Welcome back, Racymind.
fred |
07.06.09 - 12:01 am | #
"I really think the problem can best be explained this way: Americans, when they understand an issue, are really quite liberal."
A dicey hypothesis...
fred |
07.06.09 - 12:02 am | #
gnite, y'all.
♥
Jeffraham, Mister Bobby |
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07.06.09 - 12:03 am | #
Nighty night to Mistah Bobby.
Wittgy |
07.06.09 - 12:03 am | #
the nasty part is this: "when they understand an issue" which is dependent on *so* many variables...
nick carraway |
07.06.09 - 12:04 am | #
Begala:
Gov. Palin's official announcement that she is resigning as chief executive of the great state of Alaska had all the depth and gravitas of a 13-year-old's review of the Jonas Brothers' album on Facebook. She even quoted her parents' refrigerator magnet. (Note to self: if one of my kids becomes governor, throw away the refrigerator magnet that says:
"Murray's Oyster Bar: We Shuck Em, You Suck Em!") She put her
son's name in quotations marks. Why? Who knows. She writes, "I promised efficiencies and effectiveness!?" Was she exclaiming or questioning?
I get it: both! And I don't even know what to make of a sentence that reads:
*((Gotta put First Things First))*
LOL
Culture of TrÜth |
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07.06.09 - 12:04 am | #
Nick, my da died in 1986. I still miss him terribly.
Sallyh, Grandmere Poissonniere |
07.06.09 - 12:07 am | #
The best golfer on my high school golf team and the best swimmer on my high school swim team both became pharmaceutical reps. I'm thinking maybe country club sports should have been listed a little closer to the top on my resume.
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07.06.09 - 12:12 am | #
It's the kind of thing that makes you feel really alone... and I can't say I was *close* to him (nobody was, I think) even though we worked together as adults for 15 years...
nick carraway |
07.06.09 - 12:12 am | #
Disney theme park jobs are unionized, at least in the US.
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07.06.09 - 4:23 am | #