I'MMA LET YOU FINISH
Lucky!
"You Got The Touch!"
I just watched Napoleon Dynamite.
Again.
I smell funk.
You know Wahlberg has to hate that shit.
curses! haloscan
I don't understand all this jargon, MP, YP, all I know is that you own the tapes, but the magic, the heart that is on those tapes, we put that on there....
Just how funky is the bunch?
Okay, I better go to bed.
Good night, good people.
You know Wahlberg has to hate that shit.
Mr French
I was hoping he was locked up for his scene chewing in the Departed ...
Bonsoir!
David Letterman is one cool dude. He's about to sign a deal with the Writers' Guild and since he owns his show, he can! Making CBS unhappy... he's been paying out of his pockets almost a million a week to pay his staff, insurance, rent for the Ed Sullivan Theater, etc. Indeed, Dave rules.
http://www.deadlinehollywooddail...s-and-breaches/
I was hoping he was locked up for his scene chewing in the Departed ...
If they didn't lock him up for beating up minorities in Boston, they won't lock him up for bad acting.
Plum, what do you think of MSTRKRFT?
If they didn't lock him up for beating up minorities in Boston, they won't lock him up for bad acting.
For real?
K KID!!! You missed FIRST quite a few times today, what's going on? I'm worried...
what do you think of MSTRKRFT?
The Kenosha Kid
is that a new disease?
For real?
Yes.
and is it me or is Miss March not very pretty ----»
Made a fine transition.
I just watched a medicine thing on PBS, where this doc needed to reconstruct a piece on cardiac tissue, using the patient's own extracted cells.
He used a Hewlett-Packard Ink Jet printer, but instead on ink, he filled the cartridge with a cell solution type stuff.
And the thing went back and forth until it had "printed" the needed tissue.
WTF?!
from that to an Oscar nom
MSTRKRFT (pronounced Master Craft) is an electonic music group from CANADA. I usually hate dance music, but somehow I like them.
And I don't have to be first every time!
and is it me or is Miss March not very pretty ----»
plum p,better democrats please
Prettier than Ann Coulter, IMHO.
MSTRKRFT = too many canadian groups, dammit!
sorry, i don't know them. And my thang is brit indie anyway. Ever heard about a band called The Death Of Liberal England? I've been hooked on their "a good old fashioned war" song for months now.
And the thing went back and forth until it had "printed" the needed tissue.
WTF?!
That isn't even the start of what is happening using printers as a replicator of sorts, a la Star Trek.
Kenosha, that shit pisses me off. Fuck him, and fuck Russell Crowe too. I have no fucking sympathy for assholes who beat people up because they have a small penis.
Well, Abe said, where you want this killin' done?
God said out on Highway 61.
Dave gets on before Leno and he'll reverse the loss he suffered when Leno caught a break with the timely Hugh Grant booking.
Something wintry this way comes.
Ever heard about a band called The Death Of Liberal England?
No, but the name rules.
You don't want to know about Canadian groups? Don't they still have that rule that you have to play a certain % of Canadian groups on the radio?
So Atrios musta been reading our thread...
And I don't have to be first every time!
The Kenosha Kid | Homepage | 12.15.07 - 11:30 pm | #
Are you trying to convince us or yourself?
Don't they still have that rule that you have to play a certain % of Canadian groups on the radio?
Thank goodness they don't have that rule for podcasts, or I'd have to play more Barenaked Ladies and less of TKK's favorites, like ABBA and Frankie Goes To Hollywood...
oh, and i gave myself a gift today (cause it's my birthday monday, dammit). I got one of those shiatsu massaging cushion. Aie! Did 15 minutes of it earlier and it feels like a truck drove on my back. That's good pain, right...?
I didn't know MacGyver was a doctor.
Maurice Starr was a man with a VISION...
Oh, I have Catz who refuse to help me grade.
How come Atrios never plays any ELO?
Don't they still have that rule that you have to play a certain % of Canadian groups on the radio?
The Kenosha Kid
Yep. The technical term is "CanCon".
And now I must sleep. G'night, flittermice.
Something wintry this way comes.
NTodd, Beaten by Dana
Forget about it NTodd, it's Watertown ...
Are you trying to convince us or yourself?
TKK's favorites, like ABBA and Frankie Goes To Hollywood...
I hung out for a bit with Marky Mark and the Funky bunch back in the last century at the Boston Music Awards. They were amazingly repectful of the jazzers. And, say what you will, that's a pretty funky cut.
And the thing went back and forth until it had "printed" the needed tissue.
WTF?!
That isn't even the start of what is happening using printers as a replicator of sorts, a la Star Trek.
David (Austin Tx)
Just imagine what happens when you xerox your butt at the Christmas party....
Forget about it NTodd, it's Watertown ...
Please don't slice my nose.
Mamma Mia! trailer with Meryl Streep and Pierce Brosnan made me throw up in Diane Lane's mouth a little bit..
Eugene Fields forever:
http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/a.../15/
519110.aspx
Questions are being raised about then-Gov. Huckabee's 2004 decision to grant clemency to a repeat Driving While Intoxicated offender in Arkansas named Eugene Fields, despite the objections of a law enforcement official at the time.
You don't want to know about Canadian groups? Don't they still have that rule that you have to play a certain % of Canadian groups on the radio?
The Kenosha Kid
it's calculated by the week at my community radio station which mostly plays local francophone stuff (Malajube!). So i get a pass at night. I order my records through Rough Trade in London and on their weekly lists, i read about new bands from Montréal i've never heard of! Damn you Arcade Fire! Everybody's in a band here these days!
Just imagine what happens when you xerox your butt at the Christmas party....
ellroon
...and you sit on a fly just before the replication...ye gods!
Sam! oh my pretty cat...come here.
Brundlebutt
Uncle Smokes! All I had to do to summon you was mention weird electronic music!
That isn't even the start of what is happening using printers as a replicator of sorts, a la Star Trek.
Shit, I read about that stuff in Discover magazine years ago. Wicked cool.
when will canada apologize for Triumph?
Evening all.
Just a brief drive-by, but hoping nothing irksome has transpired since this afternoon.
...and you sit on a fly just before the replication...ye gods!
What, so you get caught in your zipper?
Canada is to the US as Finland is to Sweden.
Please don't slice my nose..
"Hey, Kit-Kat!"
Canada is to the US as Finland is to Sweden.
Oh, give me a break!
The Strange Death Of Liberal England and their very good anti-war song (listen up NTodd!)
http://www.myspace.com/tsdole
it's called a good old fashion war
Plum P,
I tried one of those in the store: honestly, it hurt so badly I nearly had tears. But if it works for you, then that is a good thing.
I think it is amazing the different way that people listen to music. I know that people seek new music all of the time. I do not. I very seldom seek new music and when I find some, I integrate it slowly into the old music.
But I have accepted my own pathetic weirdness .
I didn't know MacGyver was a doctor.
He isn't, but he did spend the night at a Holiday Inn Express that he built out of a paperclip and a piece of used bubblegum last night...
Something wintry this way comes.
Big coastal storm too. It should be interesting tomorrow. Stay warm and dry, NTodd.
Simels!
What's the word on "I Am Legend?"
Oh, give me a break!
Terry C - Democratic Bitch
Wait... are we redrawing the borders? Can we make California up by British Columbia?
Blaming developing countries for high prices in America? I can't believe people fall for that.
when will canada apologize for Triumph?
Atrios
we're sorry! But we suffered too you know!
Econ is to Atriots as dog shit is to brains.
People don't even know why they're worked up half the time.
Our current Decon102, BTW, sounds strangely like Sybil/jack. Odd, that.
Uncle Smokes! All I had to do to summon you was mention weird electronic music!
The Kenosha Kid
Alas, groups are mentioned that I have no idea of. I way out of currency these days. The last time I paid attention was going through the catalog of Ninja Tune records, and a lot of music has since passed me by.
"Only bad witches are ugly."
-Glenda The Good Witch of the North.
when will canada apologize for Triumph?
Or mike Myers, for fucks sake
http://www.wexlerwantshearings.com/
Darth hearings petition.
The best thing about I Am Legend is the Batman trailer
when will canada apologize for Triumph?
Atrios
Rik Emmet is an accomplished and IMHO an incredible guitarist...
Big coastal storm too. It should be interesting tomorrow. Stay warm and dry, NTodd.
I ain't going anywhere.
Interestingly enough, JetBlue has an advisory on their website that offers voluntary rebooking (needs to be done by the 19th) to several destinations, but IAD ain't one of them. I s'pose I could book to JFK and then hang with TKK...
Or mike Myers, for fucks sake
Thers
then you apologize for Jim Carrey too...oh, wait a minutes. nevermind
Eugene Fields forever:
So it looks like the corporatists are in full oppo research mode to take Huckabee down as quickly and painfully as possible.
But I have accepted my own pathetic weirdness.
I have often thought of gently suggesting to you, that you broaden your musical horizons.
Mt favorite Canadian artist of all tine is Stompin' Tom Connors... 
I s'pose I could book to JFK and then hang with TKK...
And we can listen to nothing but Soundgarden and Zeppelin and other GUY bands.
Monty Hall
Tarzan cat
http://icanhascheezburger.com/20...rzan-cat-failz/
Verna Fields forever.
dum dum dum dum dum dum
And we can listen to nothing but Soundgarden and Zeppelin and other GUY bands.
I like those, too. But I wouldn't want to deprive you of your favorites, so I'll make sure to spin up Duran Duran, Queen and Ace of Base on my iPod for you.
BTW, have you seen my newest crush?
"When you stare into the vacuum of his eyes, and say Do you want to make a deal?"
Now *those* kind of lyrics need copyright protection.
BTW, whenever I see the abbreviation "TKK," I first think someone is talking about My Life with the Thrill Kill Kult.
I don't suppose My Life with the Kenosha Kid quite works as a band name.
And we can listen to nothing but Soundgarden and Zeppelin and other GUY bands.
You must be devastated that the Zeppelin reunion tour is not gonna happen.
For Atrios, he likes those things
A CALIFORNIA courthouse auctioned 1,336 foreclosed properties, but 17 sold.
http://www.modbee.com/local/stor...ory/
152921.html
Here comes the snow again. Shoveling with bronchitis is so much goddamned fun that I can't wait to do it again tomorrow...
BTW, have you seen my newest crush?
Miss March?
You must be devastated that the Zeppelin reunion tour is not gonna happen.
i can haz zzepelin?
Karin,
Actually, I have pretty broad tastes in music but I tend to gravitate to the beautiful lyric stuff predominately.
Mrs DWD and Youngest DWD went to I AM LEGEND and both thought it excellent.
BTW, have you seen my newest crush?
Miss March?
No. Hayley.
"When you stare into the vacuum of his eyes, and say Do you want to make a deal?"
Now *those* kind of lyrics need copyright protection.
MP
When I hear that lyric now, I see this face.
My Life with the Southern Death Cult.
It was 82 and a bit muggy here today.
We had to put the AC on, even though that makes Baby Al cry.
It's gonna be a bit of a shock to the system when we fly north for the holidays.
I don't think I like Hayley. She looks fierce.
When I hear that lyric now, I see this face.
Uncle Smokes |
I hope somebody just poked him hard with a stick.
No. Hayley.
NTodd, Beaten by Dana |
There's gotta be a better picture of her than that, no?
When I think of dead eyes I think of the character Marlo from Season 4 of "The Wire"
We've got a local real estate magnate who went bust, spectacularly. He was juggling mortgages but the whole house of cards collapsed when he bounced a $25 million check which he deposited at the bank drive-up window
Since then it's been winding its way through the courts, and the latest twist is, his atty filed papers trying to get a section of the U.S. Bankruptcy code declared unconstitutional, based on the 13th amendment (involuntary servitude).
I have successfully integrated TiVo content with my Apple TV, life is good.
The Axis of Snorgling
http://mfrost.typepad.com/cute_o...-mouse-
has.html
"$25 million check which he deposited at the bank drive-up window"
Man, that is pain when you are just trying to get gas money.
Yay! It's Saturday night! Golden Shower night at Eschaton!
"$25 million check which he deposited at the bank drive-up window"
Man, that is pain when you are just trying to get gas money.
EkCenTriK
"May I, uh, write the check for over the amount?"
Canada is to the US as Finland is to Sweden.
The above is to sanity as guacamole is to polecats.
The median income of Asians is higher than whites in the US - and more so for females than males.
It was 82 and a bit muggy here today.
We had to put the AC on, even though that makes Baby Al cry.
It's gonna be a bit of a shock to the system when we fly north for the holidays.
sdf (Stu), ASR #325,682
Where do you live, dude?
when he bounced a $25 million check which he deposited at the bank drive-up window
Well, we should cut him some slack, that could happen to anyone.
I don't think I like Hayley. She looks fierce.
Try some of the other pics.
But if you're not into her, that increases my odds of...getting arrested.
Canada is to the US as Finland is to Sweden.
The above is to sanity as guacamole is to polecats.
sidhra 12
He's just full of useless information.
There's gotta be a better picture of her than that, no?
I love that shot. Rowr.
his atty filed papers trying to get a section of the U.S. Bankruptcy code declared unconstitutional, based on the 13th amendment (involuntary servitude).
Who's his attorney? Joe Pesci?
Where do you live, dude?
Terry C
America's Wang (TM), of course.
BTW, part of my crush is also Hayley's vocals. I really dig CrushCrushCrush and Let The Flames Begin.
Haley reminds me of the lead singer of Garbage/
Haley reminds me of the lead singer of Garbage/
spocko
Don't tell BartCop.
I suppose New Zealand has a little of that going on with Australia, too.
Oh, pardon me, it was 22.5 million
The sordid tale of Solomon Dwek will continue on far into the future as he has now been arrested in connection with the bouncing of 22.5 million dollars worth of checks and fulfilling an amazing trial of deception that threatens to be the trial of the year in New Jersey. Over 100 attorneys representing different clients packed a courtroom to put in claims against Dwek and a portfolio of over 200 homes.
Superior Court Judge Alexander D. Lehrer appointed a prominent area lawyer Friday to act as a clearing-house for untold numbers of claims against Solomon Dwek’s frozen portfolio of some 200 properties in New Jersey and elsewhere.
“There is absolutely no reason to panic,” Lehrer told the packed courtroom, literally overflowing with more than 100 bankers, lawyers, property owners and investors, in what lawyers called an unprecedented courtroom spectacle in Monmouth County. “The chaos, speculation and uncertainty will end here, now,” he said.
Those attending were worried they, or their clients, may lose millions of dollars in a possible collapse of Dwek’s real estate empire.
Dwek was arrested Thursday by the FBI on federal charges of defrauding PNC Bank of nearly $22.5 million and attempting to defraud it of $50 million.
Don't tell BartCop.
Terry C - Democratic Bitch | 12.16.07 - 12:03 am
Why?
Haley reminds me of the lead singer of Garbage/
Actually, that probably explains part of the attraction for me.
[exits, singing I think I'm paranoid...]
The sordid tale of Solomon Dwek...
Anybody who gives money to a guy named Solomon Dwek deserves to get boned.
The joys of photoshopping..
"olomon Dwek’s frozen portfolio of some 200 properties in New Jersey and elsewhere."
Flip that house!
Never was a Dylan fan, but his release of "Like A Rolling Stone" was a masterpiece. You just gotta give him props for that.
Actually, that probably explains part of the attraction for me.
[exits, singing I think I'm paranoid...]
NTodd, Beaten by Dana
She's cute and she's legal. Go for it, NTodd!
"The joys of photoshopping..
ellroon "
:0:0
Don't tell BartCop.
Terry C - Democratic Bitch | 12.16.07 - 12:03 am
Why?
spocko
Bart is obsessed with Shirley Manson.
I thought Solomon Dwek was the worst character in Great Expectations.
another nice view of space:
http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod...d/
ap071215.html
Mountains of Creation!
Try some of the other pics.
But if you're not into her, that increases my odds of...getting arrested.
NTodd, Beaten by Dana
The one in the hat with the dreamy eyes is more my style--kinda like David Gilmour before prosperity rounded his corners.
David Gilmour was a model before joining the Floyd.
Friends at Little Green Footballs say that this is Golden Shower night at Eschaton. When does it start?
6
Kevin Bacon?
.
Friends at Little Green Footballs say that this is Golden Shower night at Eschaton. When does it start?
obie
Little Gross Fuckers are projecting.
BIG time.
David Gilmour was a model before joining the Floyd.
Syd was a CIA control subject in LSD experiments before joining Floyd.
Anyway, Dwek has been advising the bankruptcy trustee with the liquidation of his portfolio-but they are in control of his funds, he gets a spending allowance for him & his wife and kids. That's where the 13th Amendment claims come in-he says they are treating him like a slave.
When does it start?
It starts like this:
Comment by obie blocked. [unkill][show comment]
Aaaahhh
brb
.
Friends at Little Green Footballs say that this is Golden Shower night at Eschaton. When does it start?
Hold on a sec
[ziiiiiiiiiiiip...]
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!
Roger Waters was happy before joining Floyd...
"Little Green Footballs"
So? A troll is a troll is a troll.
Syd was a CIA control subject in LSD experiments before joining Floyd.
Not true! You're thinking of Ken Kesey
Friends at Little Green Footballs say that this is Golden Shower night at Eschaton. When does it start?
obie
Little Green Footballs is still around? That surprises me.
Canada is to the US as Finland is to Sweden.
Always beats them in ice-hockey. 
ew.. the worst projection ever.
Wonder if his keyboard is all wet....
gah.
Not true! You're thinking of Ken Kesey
Dude, I'm so tripped out, I couldn't tell Ken from Syd from a little gnome...
[fumbles for controls, sets for heart of sun]
Did you know that Little Green Footballs is a slang term for grenades?
[fumbles for controls, sets for heart of sun]
And now we're back where we started, with weird electronic music.. must be time for me to go smoke..
Did you know that Little Green Footballs is a slang term for grenades?
Really? I thought it was slang for the snot I hack up in the morning.
I cannot believe that this website actually exists...who could be so ignorant?
http://
americansagainstronpaul.b...ul.blogspot.com
And now we're back where we started, with weird electronic music.. must be time for me to go smoke..
Weird electronic music? Try Forbidden Planet, Mr Krell.
Roger Waters was Pink before joining Floyd.
LGF was the website of designer hate on everyone. I thought that was kinda passe this election cycle.
Swan - it's really great to have you back.
Little Green Footballs is still around? That surprises me.
MP
I had thought they'd committed mass suicide after the November election.
Friends at Little Green Footballs say that this is Golden Shower night at Eschaton.
uh, that's not green ...
a bit of Can maybe? KrautRock is good for ya!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6...h?
v=6Lv9ccKQgvQ
WTF? There are still people fucking stupid enough to hang around LGF? WTF? Don't these morons usually end up as Darwin Award winners?
I had thought they'd committed mass suicide after the November election.
Terry C - Democratic Bitch
Were they awaiting the spaceship behind the comet?
I cannot believe that this website actually exists...who could be so ignorant?
Er, Ron Paul is a fucking nutjob.
Why would you want to follow one nutjob with another one?
I had thought they'd committed mass suicide after the November election.
Sadly, they didn't have the courage to do so...
"Little Green Footballs" -> "Flat Belligerent Stool"
We cannot get a record contract unless I take these tapes... and granted, the tapes themselves are your... You own them, OK? But the magic that is on the tapes... that fuckin' heart and soul we put into those tapes... that is ours, and you don't own that. I need to take that magic and get it to the record company. And they're waiting for us.
Er, Ron Paul is a fucking nutjob.
Why would you want to follow one nutjob with another one?
Careful, the Paulites, are just as bad as the Greenshirts.
Why would you want to follow one nutjob with another one?
Terry C - Democratic Bitch
But THIS one is a better and newer nutjob than the last nutjob. This nutjob will save us from all evildoers!
Median household income declined every year the the first President Bush was in office. The pattern repeated during his son's first term in office.
This Panopticon Is Making Me Hungry (Snack Pink!)
In which NTodd observes Bill of Rights Day. (18:4
Dood, don't you have anything shorter than that? It's late, sure we'd all like a snack, but not sure one that big ...
"Little Green Footballs" -> "Flat Belligerent Stool"
Yup, I take some fairly angry shits in the morning.
Let me explain to him... in simple arithmetic... one, two, three! Because you don't fuckin' get it, Burt! You give us the tapes. We get the record contract. We come back and give you your fuckin' money. Have you heard the tapes? Have you even heard them? We're guaranteed a record deal. Our stuff is that good! Now I got it. Now I understand. You want it to happen... but it's not going to happen because it's a Catch- . What the fuck does that mean? What is a Catch- Burt? Catch- gentlemen. Think about it. You know what I'm thinking about, man? I'm thinking about kicking some fuckin' ass!
Dood, don't you have anything shorter than that? It's late, sure we'd all like a snack, but not sure one that big ...
You can't have your pudding if you don't eat your meat.
"Were they awaiting the spaceship behind the comet?"
Don't you mean the one in front of it.
Okay, I'm back. Don't everyone freak out at once. After all, the "no more Whoppers" thang was ONLY a marketing joke.
.
Let me explain to him... in simple arithmetic... one, two, three! Because you don't fuckin' get it, Burt! You give us the tapes.
You know, we never see Dirk's cock until the waaaaaay end.
Careful, the Paulites, are just as bad as the Greenshirts.
David (Austin Tx)
I'm so skeered.
If you don't eat your meat, you can't have any pudding.
i don't understand anything people are talking about the last 5 minutes.
"You know, we never see Dirk's cock until the waaaaaay end."
And it was named Rosebud?
"i don't understand anything people are talking about the last 5 minutes.
plum "
We are speaking in secret code because there are Canadians about. Pass it on...
Did you know that Little Green Footballs is a slang term for grenades?
Doesn't surprise me.
They think they're bad-asses.
"You know, we never see Dirk's cock until the waaaaaay end."
And it was named Rosebud?
No, that's Beyond The Green Door.
In Boogie Nights it turns out his cock is an alien that can see ghosts and only be killed by water.
Okay, I'm back. Don't everyone freak out at once. After all, the "no more Whoppers" thang was ONLY a marketing joke.
.
Jeffraham Prestonian
Larry Elvis works hard at that particle accelerator thing...
Man, I don't think the CodePinkers are gonna want me to come back next year...
Why do Canadians do it doggy style?
ellroon: Larry Elvis works hard at that particle accelerator thing...
It's his second-favorite toy. First is Curly.
.
i don't understand anything people are talking about the last 5 minutes.
plum p,better democrats please
Wait a minute... we're supposed to understand this stuff?
"You know, we never see Dirk's cock until the waaaaaay end."
And it was named Rosebud?
EkCenTriK
That's it. I can't take anymore.
NO! I didn't mean that!
I've just gotten too sleepy for the silly. Y'all take care of your good selves, and thanks for the fun.
No, that's Beyond The Green Door.
In Boogie Nights it turns out his cock is an alien that can see ghosts and only be killed by water.
NTodd, Defeated by Pink
I think your dvds have melted together...
"
Wait a minute... we're supposed to understand this stuff?"
Damnation and Hellfire! You were not at the meeting were you?
Wait a minute... we're supposed to understand this stuff?
Who the hell are all you people?
[pops pill, hides from Nurse Ratched]
Damnation and Hellfire! You were not at the meeting were you?
EkCenTriK
And I didn't get the effing memo, either!
are you sure canadians should come to Eschacon?
i can haz ron paul?
a bit of Can maybe? KrautRock is good for ya!
That sounds like early Floyd!
Why do dogs do it Canadian style?
Our fence got tagged last night, and I am majorly pissed. We have hispanic gangs. I am thinking of writing some treatise or another, translated into Spanish and also put down in English. Something about: This is your idea of Honor? Bravery? Strength? Etc.
are you sure canadians should come to Eschacon?
Yes, but pretend you're from Vermont.
I'm headed off. Happy tomorrow.
That sounds like early Floyd!
The Kenosha Kid
you're joking, right? they are PRE-Floyd, dammit!
Karin sent me a link to a scooter article in the NYT, but if you read it, let me warn ya: It's as accurate as Judy Miller's Iraqi WMD reportage.
.
"Yes, but pretend you're from Vermont.
NTodd"
Things become suddenly clear.
Yes, but pretend you're from Vermont.
NTodd
let me think about this one.
Our fence got tagged last night, and I am majorly pissed. We have hispanic gangs. I am thinking of writing some treatise or another, translated into Spanish and also put down in English. Something about: This is your idea of Honor? Bravery? Strength? Etc.
Tag yourself with smiley faces and Spanish phrases that are happy and positive.
you're joking, right? they are PRE-Floyd, dammit!
Well that "Live 1970" sounds a lot like 1968 Pink Floyd.
Our fence got tagged last night, and I am majorly pissed. We have hispanic gangs. I am thinking of writing some treatise or another, translated into Spanish and also put down in English. Something about: This is your idea of Honor? Bravery? Strength? Etc.
Oh, fuckin' A, Sarah. Why haven't we thought of this in L.A? Reason and shame will surely curtail their naught behavior.
Wikipedia says that Can formed in 1968, which puts them a few years behind Pink Floyd.
Our fence got tagged last night, and I am majorly pissed. We have hispanic gangs. I am thinking of writing some treatise or another, translated into Spanish and also put down in English. Something about: This is your idea of Honor? Bravery? Strength? Etc.
Sarah Deere
No. Call your city. Often they have anti-graffiti crews that come and paint it out. Makes it not personal.
You don't want to piss off the people who are stupid enough to ruin your fence and know where you live.
I am curious about something. What other nationalities participate in this blog?
We have Americans, Canadians, Brits and I think I have seen someone from France.. Any others?
Well that "Live 1970" sounds a lot like 1968 Pink Floyd.
The Kenosha Kid
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Can.../Can_%28band%
29
actualy same period as the Floyds. They had those drugs in Germany too, you know.
We have Americans, Canadians, Brits and I think I have seen someone from France.. Any others?
EkCenTriK
Californians.
"No. Call your city. Often they have anti-graffiti crews that come and paint it out. Makes it not personal."
I tend to agree with that. Or if you do something yourself, just block it out. Anything else becomes a direct challenge.
"Californians.
ellroon "
Oh yeah, them. I keep forgetting.
Oh, fuckin' A, Sarah. Why haven't we thought of this in L.A? Reason and shame will surely curtail their naught behavior.
Did ya try that in the beginning?
I tend to agree with that. Or if you do something yourself, just block it out. Anything else becomes a direct challenge.
EkCenTriK
If you are in a gang area, you can get killed painting out stuff. Let the city do it.
We have Americans, Canadians, Brits and I think I have seen someone from France.. Any others?
EkCenTriK
Texans.
I, for one, am so fucking sick of walking on eggshells in regard to how *anything* we do as a Nation will affect corporate America.
Fuck corporate America all the way up to the large intestine.
When we really needed them, they were poolside, phoning in job replacements from India.
If you are in a gang area, you can get killed painting out stuff. Let the city do it.
Perhaps that's part of what lets the gangs hold sway. What about neighborhood-based efforts?
Russian pop, circa 1969: The Singing Guitars.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o...h?
v=oYG9UQoBuGA
i can haz ron paul?
pewey
You can haz him.
"Californians.
ellroon "
Oh yeah, them. I keep forgetting.
EkCenTriK
Hey! Ok, then. SOUTHERN Californians. We're even better!
Did ya try that in the beginning?
You be sure to try it when it comes to your neighborhood.
Did ya try that in the beginning?
You be sure to try it when it comes to your neighborhood.
I'll take that as a 'no.'
Stu - do you like Prokofiev?
On that note, I need to go to bed.
Catch you batses later.
Anyone else at work right now ?
sheeesh.
Tag yourself with smiley faces and Spanish phrases that are happy and positive.
NTodd, Defeated by Pink |
that's actually pretty funny
what I find almost intolerable is just letting it go and sucking it up, Feels too much like being a "liberal".
Perhaps that's part of what lets the gangs hold sway. What about neighborhood-based efforts?
NTodd, Defeated by Pink
Depends on where you are. If the neighborhood is largely hispanic they will not collaborate with the police. They are too afraid.
Neighborhood outreach has worked in some areas. Others, there is the Mexican mafia, a particularly ugly and ruthless group.
Let the city paint it out.
I'll take that as a 'no.'
You and I weren't even alive when it started, and you know it.
Stu - do you like Prokofiev?
Pervert.
what I find almost intolerable is just letting it go and sucking it up, Feels too much like being a "liberal".
I agree. Fighting is fraught with risk, but inaction is fraught sometimes with even more risk. Perhaps things can be defused by some funny action in conjunction with community-based efforts. Have you talked with your neighbors about this?
what I find almost intolerable is just letting it go and sucking it up, Feels too much like being a "liberal".
Sarah Deere
You are not letting it go. You are painting it out immediately... via the city.
And file a police report. That helps too.
Stu - do you like Prokofiev?
NTodd, Defeated by Pink |
Indeed. And a strange fact, something I just realized when the Older Boy started getting into Star Wars: John Williams pilfered the Ewok theme stong lock, stock, and barrel from Love for Three Oranges.
Stu - do you like Prokofiev?
Pervert.
Thers
*sheesh* it's not like he's asking about Tschaikovsky...
"Texans.
David (Austin Tx)"
Okay, that one hurt.
I'll take that as a 'no.'
You and I weren't even alive when it started, and you know it.
And that has what to do with the price of eggs in China?
Stu - do you like Prokofiev?
Pervert.
Thers |
Well, you have to admit, a guy who wrote a piece called Love for Three Oranges could be accused of all sorts of things.
Anyway...
.
Indeed. And a strange fact, something I just realized when the Older Boy started getting into Star Wars: John Williams pilfered the Ewok theme stong lock, stock, and barrel from Love for Three Oranges.
Dude, Williams stole most of his stuff. I've noticed mostly from the Russians, actually--listen to his Star Wars stuff and Rite of Spring, for example.
Anyway, yesterday's Paxcast is based on Peter and the Wolf...
I always thought John Williams ripped off his whole career from 'Mars: The Bringer of War' from Holst's The Planets.
"what I find almost intolerable is just letting it go and sucking it up, Feels too much like being a "liberal"."
One, did you do anything to generate the problem or is this just them marking territory?
Two, if you create a ruckus, are you a force of one? Unless you have an active neighborhood group that is visible, you are an island to yourself.
It is never fun, depressing but survivable.
So they can both watch "Hockey Night."
Anyway, yesterday's Paxcast is based on Peter and the Wolf...
NTodd,
Ah, well, I'll have to listen at some point when I'm not just about to crash.
You should go check out the Singing Guitars video if you haven't, by the way.
If the neighborhood is largely hispanic they will not collaborate with the police. They are too afraid.
Ah, but neighborhood-based efforts don't necessarily require the police. In fact, they might be more successful without such authority and better employ social pressure at a local level (mores, etc).
And that has what to do with the price of eggs in China?
You don't have MS13 where you live, do you? Don't worry -- you will. When they finally show up, be sure to try and reason with them, even though they make the Russian Mafia look sane and reasonable.
John Williams is in many ways the Thomas Kinkade of music.
My fence is not painted - it is natural cedar, left to weather, I did not want to paint it, goddammit.
We've been here 10yrs, lived through drug dealers, prostitutes, etc. This is the first yr we've gotten the tagging shit. Please understand this is also a n'hood in process of being "gentrified" - catty-corner from us, these asshole developers recently constructed a ginormous McMansion ("5 BEDROOMS!!!! HARDWOOD FLOORS!!!! $350,000!!!!"), and I see bunches o'white folx jogging and bicycling up and down my little street w/their dogs and babies and coffee mugs, so I do understand some of the resentment that must be felt - but, jeez....I'm not the fuckin' enemy. I mean, I know that makes no diff. I'm not being logical - just both pissed and saddened.
I do like NTodd's idea of smiley faces and something positive in Spanish.
People who don't finish college have the same net worth as people who just have a high school diploma and never went to college.
You don't have MS13 where you live, do you? Don't worry -- you will. When they finally show up, be sure to try and reason with them, even though they make the Russian Mafia look sane and reasonable.
In other words: it has nothing to do with the price of eggs in China. But thanks for trying to consider other ways of addressing issues of violence in our society. Dog knows we don't need a Dept of Peace with you around!
Le Canadien won 4-1 vs Toronto tonite
on this happy note, au revoir. Sunday is the last day on my 40th year, dammit!!!
bonne nuit all decent folks. The trolls can screw themselves.
Strangest tagging I ever saw:
In my old area, gangs were a big deal. Lots of tagging all over hell. Most were the normal including an ever changing series of gang names. (Lived out there thirteen years, familiar with the area for nearly thirty).
For a few months, the gang name "Little Tushie Boys" popped up up and down the area.
Never knew the story behind it, but it got a laugh out of me every time I saw it.
I do like NTodd's idea of smiley faces and something positive in Spanish.
Such things have been known to help. Look at urban mural art on buildings and such. You coopt the medium and that changes the dynamic.
Really all of this is about interrupting the unthinking reactions just a bit. Conflict resolution is in the immediate more about stopping what's happening right now than coming to any particular conclusion. Break the cycle...
I hope Econ chokes on his tofu.
"I'm not the fuckin' enemy"
It's best not to take it personally. I agree with those who recommend eliminating the tagging ASAP and letting it go.
I hope Econ chokes on his tofu.
His tofu ain't that long.
Ah, but neighborhood-based efforts don't necessarily require the police. In fact, they might be more successful without such authority and better employ social pressure at a local level (mores, etc).
NTodd, Defeated by Pink
You are right. And areas in the Pomona Valley have responded to this kind of action. There are still areas that are dangerous.
It de-personalizes the situation if you can get a third person (city) to paint out the tagging. It often is kids, but sometimes it's gangs.
One, did you do anything to generate the problem or is this just them marking territory?
EkCenTrik, just marking. We are very low profile and congenial, cause no trouble.
".I'm not the fuckin' enemy. I mean, I know that makes no diff."
Who says you are. Again, they may just be using your fence as their message board, staking out their turf. Unless you have some incident to point to, don't take it personal.
"Conditional love" is an oxymoron.
I'm gonna whack Brandon. Personally, I'd flee that shithole.
"Econ 102" is a moron.
In other words: it has nothing to do with the price of eggs in China. But thanks for trying to consider other ways of addressing issues of violence in our society. Dog knows we don't need a Dept of Peace with you around!
Thanks for deflecting and sidestepping.
Whenever you actually decide to come out of your little garden, Siddartha, we can talk some reality-based talk about gangs.
Google MS13 in the meantime, and tell me if you really think the Jesus approach is really going to work.
Sarah Deere, you could go out and paint all the other fences in the neighborhood with awful stuff.
Not that I really mean that, but it might be fun to imagine you doing it in the middle of the night, wearing a balaclava.
"Econ 102" is a moron.
Mr French
He's starting to melt down.
He makes less and less sense with each post.
Predictability is not a quality one should cultivate.
Whenever you actually decide to come out of your little garden, Siddartha, we can talk some reality-based talk about gangs.
Google MS13 in the meantime, and tell me if you really think the Jesus approach is really going to work.
Good of you to be receptive to approaching violence in a different way. Because your approach apparently has done wonders to eliminate the problem. Just like Bush's way of handling terrorism...
And the meaning of life, universe and everything is.......42!
"Whenever you actually decide to come out of your little garden, Siddartha"
Ouch.
Not that I really mean that, but it might be fun to imagine you doing it in the middle of the night, wearing a balaclava.
Echidne |
hee hee...there's a thought! Little old geriatric DFH crawling around with various colors of spray paint.....maybe armed with a list of favorite quotes....
"And the meaning of life, universe and everything is.......42!"
Depends on how much equity got pulled out on refis. Could be more like 37 or 38.
"hee hee...there's a thought! Little old geriatric DFH crawling around with various colors of spray paint.....maybe armed with a list of favorite quotes...."
Well I can see who is going to need bail money in the near future.
And the meaning of life, universe and everything is.......42!
42, 43... whatever it takes.
hee hee...there's a thought! Little old geriatric DFH crawling around with various colors of spray paint.....maybe armed with a list of favorite quotes....
Sarah Deere
Yes. "Save the nature! Pickle a squirrel!"
Or: "Make love, not war." NO, scratch that: "Make money, not love."
Because your approach apparently has done wonders to eliminate the problem.
Yours has been working wonders, too. Can't you tell?
Again - Google MS13. At least know who you're talking about before you strategize from your position of relative safety.
George Patton was probably a dick to be around sometimes, and maybe George C. Scott was, as well.
But the opening soliloquy in the movie Patton, just simply kicks ass.
It de-personalizes the situation if you can get a third person (city) to paint out the tagging.
What is tagging besides a defiance of authority? Yes, it's about territory and one-upmanship, etc, but if there is depersonalization (i.e., removal of the act from the impact felt by community), then it actually can make it easier to engage in.
And then, of course, are the issues of root cause, but that's a larger discussion and as fraught with emotion and such as trying to tackle the problem of terrorism.
But the opening soliloquy in the movie Patton, just simply kicks ass.
MP
That's what writers can do, bless'em.
Or just paint SMEGMA in really big red letters. The first graffiti I saw in the U.K. was that and my dictionary didn't have it so I asked someone. A good way to break the ice.
Yours has been working wonders, too. Can't you tell?
Has mine been even tried? No? Didn't think so.
Again - Google MS13. At least know who you're talking about before you strategize from your position of relative safety.
I do know what I'm talking about. Your assumptions are amusing, 'charles'. Wait, you must be the troll who has been at my place before. Conservative, racist fuck, ain't ya?
now, see, I'm excited. I want to find an artist friend - or check w/this woman I know who is director of a center for multicultural affairs to find someone - then I want to get them to paint a mural including/absorbing the graffiti (which is weird, actually - looks like head and armless trunk of a human w/innards) that is colorful, beautiful....If I'm gonna have to paint my fence eventually anyway (I have few illusions after I blkow off a little steam), it sounds like one helluva fun project
But the opening soliloquy in the movie Patton, just simply kicks ass.
MP
I've always liked the dog.
now, see, I'm excited. I want to find an artist friend - or check w/this woman I know who is director of a center for multicultural affairs to find someone - then I want to get them to paint a mural including/absorbing the graffiti (which is weird, actually - looks like head and armless trunk of a human w/innards) that is colorful, beautiful....
I would love to see pics of that.
The first graffiti I saw in the U.K. was that and my dictionary didn't have it so I asked someone. A good way to break the ice.
The first I saw in the U.K. was under a notice that said "Bill Stickers Will Be Prosecuted". The graffiti was "Bill Stickers is Innocent".
Echidne: smegma!!! That's one of those words perfectly crafted to suit its meaning, I always thought.
"Bill Stickers is Innocent".
spinoza, non ridere, non luger |
and the ever-popular:
"Free Phil Dirt!"
Vermont is the least urban state in the US.
Echidne: smegma!!! That's one of those words perfectly crafted to suit its meaning, I always thought.
Sarah Deere
First heard that word used by Monty Python. Think it was in 'How Not To Be Seen'....
Has mine been even tried? No? Didn't think so.
Wow. This means that you and only you have the real truth.
Isn't that a little messianic?
I've never been to your blog, and from what I've heard here can't imagine why I'd want to go there. You're never wrong, and that's a trait you share with most of the people in the Bush administrtion. I can't trust a person who's never wrong.
Why? Because you deserve it. You have it coming, and you know you do. Apoligize, or else. Return the Black Hills to their rightful owners period. Or else. Now.
Vermont is the least urban state in the US.
Really? I hadn't noticed, what with all the cows and dirt roads...
From what I have read, MS13 make the Mexican Mafia look like a Church Social.
I would love to see pics of that.
NTodd, Defeated by Pink |
my only hurdle is the oddly conservative (about such matters) Mr Deere. I once opined that I would love to have a different door pull for every door and drawer in the house, and you would have thought I had proposed ....what? I don't know - polishing all flat surfaces w/smegma? No, no, that's not quite it. But he did look at me w/horror as though I had quite gone over the edge. I still think it;'s a good idea.
MS 13. You are right. Salvadorian gangs.
Echidne,
Is it true that in Finland children are required by law to have either "boy" or "girl" names? I heard this the other day and found it hard to believe.
Wow. This means that you and only you have the real truth.
Uh, no. In fact, being a subscriber to the notion of satyagraha I don't believe any of us have a monopoly on the truth.
I just suggested that there might be other approaches and that the traditional means haven't stemmed the tide.
But you seem to have an intense investment in the status quo. You're the one telling me I can't possibly understand humanity in your neck of the woods and I should "just wait" until the hell and pestilence arrives in my garden. Sounds like you're convinced of some truth...
I've never been to your blog, and from what I've heard here can't imagine why I'd want to go there.
You apparently have never been here, either, chuckles. But feel free to stay away from my pissant blog. It just has pussy pictures.
my only hurdle is the oddly conservative (about such matters) Mr Deere.
Only one answer to that: Lysistratic nonaction.
That's what writers can do, bless'em.
ellroon
And actors. George C. Scott was likely playing that to an empty room.
It just has pussy pictures.
NTodd, Defeated by Pink
And excellent ones, too, I must add!
Speaking of Vermont, Larry, Darryl and Darryl installed my flat screen the other day. I was very entertained by their antics; a less generous fellow would describe their antics as fuck ups.
Only one answer to that: Lysistratic nonaction.
NTodd, Defeated by Pink
or...geriatric DFH in the dark paintin' away
I'll keep you posted. I hope I have enough good sense to carry through with this, because it would do my heart and spirit good. Bless you, child, for the suggestion.
Speaking of Vermont, Larry, Darryl and Darryl installed my flat screen the other day. I was very entertained by their antics; a less generous fellow would describe their antics as fuck ups.
They've been hired by Halliburton.
You apparently have never been here, either, chuckles. But feel free to stay away from my pissant blog. It just has pussy pictures.
Or else I'd know not to mess with you or something? Like, you'll quit toying with me and take off the gloves and that'll change everything?
OK. Go for it. You can't even change yourself for more than a few hours --let's see if you can change me. This methodology you plan to unleash upon a seething world -- unleash it upon me.
"installed my flat screen the other day."
We were just shopping for one today at Circuit City. Ended up with a young guy who knew his topic and figured out that he didn't have to huckster us.
He did one good thing and at the same time a bad thing. He showed us a Samsung with a 25K to 1 Contrast versus a 10K to 1 Samsung.
We have had to reconvene our purchasing meeting at home to decide if the project creep ensued was worth the price.
We are still discussing the matter.
I will one day purchase a TV bigger than my house, and then you people will envy me greatly.
Vermont is 97% white, the highest percentage in the US (tied with Maine).
Sarah M'Deere - I hope it feeds your soul and helps with the problem.
Sad that we as a society don't spend even the merest fraction on studying nonviolent solutions as compared to the 51% of our budget we waste on bombs and bullets. Ah well, Dennis will never win...
Re: previous thread...
Atrios assumes that there will be an election next year. There won't... at least not a transfer of power. I don't know how this will come to happen but an "unprecedented" thing will occur to prevent it. And that's when the shit-fan starts blowing. I know it in my bones but haven't a clue what to do about it.
He did one good thing and at the same time a bad thing. He showed us a Samsung with a 25K to 1 Contrast versus a 10K to 1 Samsung.
We bought the samsung 25K to 1. Very nice.
Or else I'd know not to mess with you or something?
Interesting violent projection on your part.oves and that'll change everything?
OK. Go for it. You can't even change yourself for more than a few hours --let's see if you can change me. This methodology you plan to unleash upon a seething world -- unleash it upon me.
Okay.
"I will one day purchase a TV bigger than my house, and then you people will envy me greatly."
Yes, but we will wait 6 months and buy the same exact mega model for 25% less and you will envy us even more so.
"We bought the samsung 25K to 1. Very nice.
spinoza,"
Do you mind if I ask your pricing?
Well, fuck you then and the city you live in. You asked for it. And its on the way.
I know it in my bones but haven't a clue what to do about it.
Hide under your bed with your head between your legs. Stupid wingnut I know used to say the same thing about Clinton, and I gave him the same advice.
Exaggerating numbers is not a good idea.
Do you mind if I ask your pricing?
mrs spinoza did it. I do know she found it cheaper through amazon. We got the first one and after an hours or so the pixels went tissy. All kinds of noise. So she asked for a new one. Amazon had it here a few days later. And it is fine.
Ah well, Dennis will never win...
we don;t know that yet, dear.
Re: the rest...I forget - damn me - that humor is always the best response, that art saves us. Thank you for reminding me and pulling me back from the precipice of the wretched kneejerk KILLKILLKILL reaction.
I was all set (had set myself up) to be bummed out and pissy, now I have something to look forward to. It may not work one whit towards eliminating gang graffiti, but I will have a little bit of fun inbetween and maybe help to create something that may not be beautiful, will still be worthwhile and may put a smile on someone else's face. Not bad for a day's work. I'll send you photos.
Atrios assumes that there will be an election next year. There won't... at least not a transfer of power.
So you're just gonna roll over and accept it! Bush enabler...
I'll send you photos.
Please do. Every piece of kindness helps heal the world.
If it didn't, we might as well all kill ourselves right the fuck now. And I'm not quite prepared to do that just yet.
It's hard to scream profanities and be taken seriously as a peace advocate.
It's hard to scream profanities and be taken seriously as a peace advocate.
Hmmm.
So peace is about what, exactly? Should I not engage in conflict? Should I say 'thee' and 'thou' and be passive as evil skullfucks the world?
Okay.
Some people are really bad. Really, really bad. If there's a God, maybe God can save and change these people, but they're just going to kill people like you and me if it suits their purpose, regardless of what you believe or what you say. (And, if you really plan on reasoning with the people I'm talking about you'd better be fluent in Spanish. They're not going to struggle to work with you in English.)
"e pixels went tissy. All kinds of noise."
Jeez.
This is going to be our "house" gift for Xmas. The three of us decided to stop the gift mill and some of the other mess that seems to be pushed so hard now. So we discuss what we three would like in common and we will spend the money that way. The MIL has vision issues so we decided to up the set size and clarity for her. As far as relatives and such, sensible gift cards and we will be making nice contributions to three charities with the money we are not spending.
(And, if you really plan on reasoning with the people I'm talking about you'd better be fluent in Spanish.
Thanks for being afraid.
I think I screwed up my tv purchase - I bought the Ohio Art flat tv with a contrast ratio of 2:1. It has a nice 9" screen with two dials that make it easy to adjust. But it doesn't have anyplace to hook up my Super 8mm camera.
Kaiser Sozer is a badass, I hear.
Some people are really bad. Really, really bad.
So I've heard. There was even this guy with a funny mustache once. Killed a lot of my family.
And yet, the Danes resisted him. And the wives of Rosenstrasse. And the Schindlers of the world.
Imagine if others showed similar courage. I'll bet they had it in them, but didn't have long traditions of nonviolent resistance (the Rurhkampf notwithstanding). So somebody has to be ballsy and grownup and break the cycle.
Not without cost. Not without pain. But long-term all endeavors require sacrifice and a willingness to do something that hasn't been done before.
If you're really afraid of 10,000 people in a country of 300,000,000, you really need to consider adjusting your perspective and perhaps working more to engage the majority to help foster a different environment. Part of the point of Kucinich's Dept of Peace, as it turns out...
Oh, crap: I paid $1800 for an Etch A Sketch.
The MIL has vision issues so we decided to up the set size and clarity for her.
Just stick her in an Ames room with some prism glasses and tell her global warming has fucked up vision.
"But it doesn't have anyplace to hook up my Super 8mm camera."
But look at it this way, no Fox News.
I think I screwed up my tv purchase - I bought the Ohio Art flat tv with a contrast ratio of 2:1. It has a nice 9" screen with two dials that make it easy to adjust. But it doesn't have anyplace to hook up my Super 8mm camera.
Shake it to reboot...
It's hard to scream profanities and be taken seriously as a peace advocate.
Hmmm.
So peace is about what, exactly? Should I not engage in conflict? Should I say 'thee' and 'thou' and be passive as evil skullfucks the world?
You're gonna die because you don't respect the truce flag. You're gonna die for what was done in your name. And you're gonna die because you lie to yourself.
Oh, crap: I paid $1800 for an Etch A Sketch.
That Buy It Now button at eBay has fucked over a lot of people...
"Ames room with some prism glasses"
Thinking that through for a moment. Nope, I am pretty sure my wife would put a stop to it.
Thanks for being afraid.
There's a time and place for fear, like everything else. Only a fool is never afraid. If you woke up to find yourself in the middle of a home invasion robbery, you'd be afraid too.
Echidne,
Is it true that in Finland children are required by law to have either "boy" or "girl" names? I heard this the other day and found it hard to believe.
It's true. It is a very old law, having to do with problems they had when they called various women to war duty in WWII based on their names. There are some names which were given to both girls and boys, though most of the people who have them are quite old now if still alive.
You're gonna die because you don't respect the truce flag. You're gonna die for what was done in your name. And you're gonna die because you lie to yourself.
Know what? I'm gonna die no matter what I do.
And god is the biggest bitch of them all...
If you woke up to find yourself in the middle of a home invasion robbery, you'd be afraid too.
Thanks for the tip.
"
Shake it to reboot...
NTodd, Defeated by Pink"
Man, what a nasty joke. Call out the Geek Squad to fix that display issue.
It would worth the bucks just to see the response.
They get points though if they upsell you into a new unit.
https://www.intrade.com/jsp/intra...124009&
grpID=95
And god is the biggest bitch of them all...
That's what my dogs told me, too.
If you woke up to find yourself in the middle of a home invasion robbery, you'd be afraid too.
Best be careful lest some messican sets your strawman on fire.
My mother's maiden name is Ysidro.
Pissing your pants yet?
Thanks for the tip.
Thanks for the snark. That teaches me a lot about how to be.
I'm wearing a suit made of kevlar because you never know when the messicans will attack.
Thanks for the snark. That teaches me a lot about how to be.
Oh, you were willing to learn? Didn't seem like it.
Here's the lesson grasshopper: engage in humanity, particularly your own, instead of being afraid of humans, particularly yourself.
I'm wearing a suit made of kevlar because you never know when the messicans will attack.
It's their JAL-A-PAIN-YO breath that kills.
Thanks for the snark. That teaches me a lot about how to be.
charles
OK, I'll say it.
Lighten up, Francis.
Best be careful lest some messican sets your strawman on fire.
My mother's maiden name is Ysidro.
Pissing your pants yet?
I live in L.A. I'm not afraid of Latinos. I'm afraid of psychopaths. The Asians have some pretty fucking scary gangs, too, but I'm not afraid of them, either. This is my town, too. I lived in Echo Park before the yuppies started moving in, and the vast majority of my neighbors for 12 years weren't white, but we all got along just fine. This doesn't have a fucking thing in the world to do with race -- it's about crime.
That would explain Fran Tarkenton being drafted by the Vikings
Thanks for the snark. That teaches me a lot about how to be.
charles | 12.16.07 - 1:32 am | #
it's not wrong to be afraid, I don;t think. There are surely enough reasons to be. I just don;t want to live there permanently, nor do I think that's what you are saying. I do appreciate the caveat - and I;m not being matronizing.
"This doesn't have a fucking thing in the world to do with race -- it's about crime."
Agreed
Lighten up, Francis.
Or else what, Max?
and....if, in a nation of 300,000,000, one happens to live in an area where 5,000 of the 10,000 Bad Folks live, it does give one a diff perspective.
Try some of the other pics.
But if you're not into her, that increases my odds of...getting arrested.
NTodd, Beaten by Dana
I can't believe she tried to stuff all that girl into that little bit of t-shirt.
Can I get arrested, too?
Funny that there were 3 racial descriptors and one alternative noun (yuppies) in charles' comment on how it's not about race (or presumably class), but "crime."
charles
Add in lack of opportunity, poor wages, broken families and discrimination and so many other issues.
You're gonna die because you don't respect the truce flag. You're gonna die for what was done in your name. And you're gonna die because you lie to yourself.
Know what? I'm gonna die no matter what I do.
And god is the biggest bitch of them all...
NTodd, Defeated by Pink | Homepage | 12.16.07 - 1:29 am | #
Tomorrow. Being fearless doesn’t make you less culpable. Boy, you know there is an afterlife.
and....if, in a nation of 300,000,000, one happens to live in an area where 5,000 of the 10,000 Bad Folks live, it does give one a diff perspective.
I suspect that those 5k don't live in an area that's devoid of population density. Which is why community-based approaches might, you know, help.
Lighten up, Francis.
Or else what, Max?
charles
Or else remain as you are. WTF?
Funny that there were 3 racial descriptors and one alternative noun (yuppies) in charles' comment on how it's not about race (or presumably class), but "crime."
This might work on a blog, but if you were a lawyer and you tried it in court you'd get your ass kicked.
You got nothing, y'know?
Being fearless doesn’t make you less culpable. Boy, you know there is an afterlife.
[strikes match, lights cigarette, remembers NTodd doesn't smoke]
I see the trolls have become more and more racist.
Who is this "charles" guy with the bad breath? Who let him in here?
I love theoretical liberals.
"Who is this "charles" guy with the bad breath? Who let him in here?"
What exactly did I miss in his statement that was wrong?
'night all.
I suspect that those 5k don't live in an area that's devoid of population density. Which is why community-based approaches might, you know, help.
NTodd, Defeated by Pink |
fully agreed - but it does...color...the context. We have here, as everyone has everywhere, the high spots - in our case (Little Beirut), the West Hills, where the Privileged and the Moneyed live.
They do not have gangs there - well, at least not the kind that put graffiti on fences - more like the old and young Rethugs. Graffiti is not a reality that they have to live with on daily basis. If you live - even in a densely populated area - or, perhaps, most especially in a densely populated area - shit like this is gonna be in your face all the damned time. Gets youn looking over your shoulder, is all I'm saying.
It's hard to scream profanities and be taken seriously as a peace advocate.
Econ 102
Do you NEVER tire of pontificating?
I see the trolls have become more and more racist.
Who is this "charles" guy with the bad breath? Who let him in here?
This is it? This is what you have? Dismissal? Insults? Snark?
If I want to talk about crime, I can only talk about white biker gangs even if they're mostly in 2 other southland counties and pretty far away and most of the criminals in my vicinity happen to be Hispanic or Asian?
The truth is every American city is built on a graveyard.
It's hard to scream profanities and be taken seriously as a peace advocate.
Econ 102
This country was founded upon the right to scream.
This might work on a blog, but if you were a lawyer and you tried it in court you'd get your ass kicked.
We have quite a few attorneys in this community.
I think we have tripped into a non-reality zone suddenly.
This is it? This is what you have? Dismissal? Insults? Snark?
I see Econ/LFOD has a new name.
We have quite a few attorneys in this community.
That's hardly a direct and meaningful response to anything I said.
I see the trolls have become more and more racist.
This is it? This is what you have? Dismissal? Insults? Snark?
I don't recall mentioning any name with my post.
But if the jackboot fits....
God. Marky mark must be so embarrassed by that video.
This is it? This is what you have? Dismissal? Insults? Snark?
Yeah, sucks. Now beat it. You're not wanted.
I used to live in a small LA hood. Crips, V13s, civies. People mostly got along. It was a neighborhood.
The MS13 is more like a mutant, stateless khmer rouge. Blow back is a bitch.
That's hardly a direct and meaningful response to anything I said.
charles
Nothing you've said has been meaningful.
This is what you have? Dismissal? Insults? Snark?
I haz lots.
Would you like some? You fucking moron.
Why do these trolls hang around here?
They're not welcome.
They're not wanted.
And they're NOT going to bring us around to THEIR way of....ahem.."thinking".
"This country was founded upon the right to scream."
And?
God. Marky mark must be so embarrassed by that video.
That's what I said before Kenosha Kid pointed out he's a violent racist motherfucker.
I hope he chokes on it.
And?
Econ 102
And goodbye.
fully agreed - but it does...color...the context.
Of course it does. Sadly, it's the same type of context that allowed the conflict between the Brits and those fuckign Micks to go on so long, or the Israelis and Palestinians.
I don't advocate that "outsiders" come in with their solutions and cram them down the throats of those living in the situation. However, sometimes somebody outside the historical, emotional and practical experience might have some value to add by brainstorming and offering alternative suggestions. Clearly if the conflict has been going on for quite some time, there's an impasse, previous solutions have not worked, and other mediation might be warranted.
And, of course, the larger problem is our society is pretty much organized around violence as a solution rather than other approaches to conflict. Part of the point of the college I'm hoping to help create with some folks who were involved in restorative justice work with the UN, and why I support DK and his stupid fucking proposal to establish a Dept of Peace. Beyond the moral considerations, there are pragmatic reasons to reorganize ourselves around principles of nonviolence rather than military might, internally and in terms of foreign policy.
We won't exist as Empire forever. Others have fallen and found a different, nonviolent niche as they settled into their new national existence. Better to invest in that ahead of time than to spin our wheels later as we're caught unawares.
And god is the biggest bitch of them all...
God is a kitteh, ya know.
In teh afterlife, teh god kittie chases you around and bites you and throws you in the air and torments you.
"This is it? This is what you have? Dismissal? Insults? Snark?"
SOP
I think we have tripped into a non-reality zone suddenly.
No -- they just need to beat someone up. They don't know me. I'm safe. I'm disposable. I'm not allowed to disagree with the kewl kids. I have to take my lunch and eat it with the 7th graders.
You were the only one of all those who responded who didn't want to slap me around a bit. Thanks -- I'll take that with me.
Minding my own business, not bothering anybody, and I got this small epiphany. A petit epiphany, if you will.
The problem of "terrorism." It isn't really a problem of terrorism, per se, it's a problem of imbalance of power. Those who deem themselves powerless, say Evangelical xstains, feel that they can and must brutalize their opponents and even their neighbors.
The guys with all the firepower, like the current day US or the 18th century Great Britain, are always appalled that anyone would stoop to anything less than a set-piece battle. Of course, only a fucking moron would go to a set-piece battle knowing without fail that he's going to lose in a big way. So, that imbalance of military power leads intelligent (though not always very nice) people to think of alternatives.
One of those alternatives is to roll over and die, which is the alternative most approved by Republotards. For whatever reason, people who are feeling exploited and crushed beneath the yoke seem to want to win or at least fight back with some effect.
So, it devolves into a seeking a method that is effective given the means available. I see that Hamas, I think, that is using more and more complex weapons systems and standing up militarily to the mutant clones of the Israeli army. As military power increases, it becomes more and more tempting to use it (obviously).
I'm wondering if the problem of terrorism, bogus as stated, is really a problem of local determination.
The MS13 is more like a mutant, stateless khmer rouge. Blow back is a bitch.
gullycat |
just as staph infections grow increasingly strong, mutating beyond the reach of standard antibiotics, so does human criminality. I am willing to take this very seriously.
Think of the Bush maladministration, of Putin, or the many, many really evil people on the planet in control right now and don;t tell me there's not this kind of hyper-criminal activity going on alongside. It's inevitable.
Some may not like the *way* charles delivers his message, but it's no reason to deny the message. IMHO.
That's what I said before Kenosha Kid pointed out he's a violent racist motherfucker.
I hope he chokes on it.
Is he? I didn't know that.
"This is it? This is what you have? Dismissal? Insults? Snark?"
SOP
Econ 102
You don't like it?
See ya!
"You were the only one of all those who responded who didn't want to slap me around a bit."
Well, I still don't get it. It sounds like you had similar circumstances. Terminology might be an issue, but I am not sure I would describe it any differently.
"And goodbye."
Happy trails.
The thing is talking to itself again.
Later, 'bats.
"SOP
Econ 102 "
You are a blight aren't you?
Cheese mites would be proud of you.
I think we have tripped into a non-reality zone suddenly.
No -- they just need to beat someone up. They don't know me. I'm safe. I'm disposable. I'm not allowed to disagree with the kewl kids. I have to take my lunch and eat it with the 7th graders.
Heeeheeee! "Kewl Kids."
Do you need any help holding up your red troll flag?
Oooof.
Had to bring the plants in, and of course teh kitties are eating them.
Fourlegs,
http://www.modelminority.com/
art...article225.html
Not only that, there's more.
NTodd, I have already given DK more $$ than I can really afford. And I go to neutral gear when thjinking about his chances - this is an old I Ching thing: neither hope nor doubt. Just let it lie.
The problem of "terrorism." It isn't really a problem of terrorism, per se, it's a problem of imbalance of power.
Welcome to Asymmetric Warfare!
"Do you need any help holding up your red troll flag?
NTodd, Defeated by Pink"
Seriously, explain this. I am not seeing it so maybe I am being my usual dense self and need a map.
Humanism and dehumanization kind of contradict each other.
Welcome to Asymmetric Warfare!
NTodd, Defeated by Pink
Well, obviously yes. My point, at least I think it's my point, is that asymmetical warfare is a symptom, not a root cause.
What's the root cause? I'm currently arguing a sense of powerlessness, something around local determination.
we are never powerless, always have a choice. Too often (as I prove on a daily basis) we don;t see the choice, but it's there.
Faith can be either rational or irrational.
"What's the root cause? I'm currently arguing a sense of powerlessness, something around local determination."
I wonder if you realize how far away that solution lies.
Fourlegs,
http://www.modelminority.com/ art...article225.html
Not only that, there's more.
Wow. That's truly fucked up.
Faith can be either rational or irrational.
Econ 102
Wrong. Faith is a belief in something for which there is no evidence. None. That makes it de facto fucking irrational. Hello?
"Do you need any help holding up your red troll flag?
NTodd, Defeated by Pink"
Seriously, explain this. I am not seeing it so maybe I am being my usual dense self and need a map.
EkCenTriK
"Kewl kids." Typical troll marker, particularly when dealing with a Process Troll. Usually such spelling is used by disgruntled Atriots who hate the fact that some people have more..."sway" than others in the community, but not always. Anyway, part and parcel of the charge that this is an echochamber when really it's a buncha people who often disagree and just hate when somebody unknown shits in the punchbowl, continues to throw strawmen, red herrings, and generally Teh Stupid around, then gets pissed when people call him on it and start (GASP!!!) using naughty language because they tire of the act...
we are never powerless, always have a choice. Too often (as I prove on a daily basis) we don;t see the choice, but it's there.
Sarah Deere
I totally agree. Regardless, there are a lot of people who wallow in their victimhood. Some legitimately, others, well, not so much.
Well, obviously yes. My point, at least I think it's my point, is that asymmetical warfare is a symptom, not a root cause.
ASW is a symptom, yes, but of asymmetries. The asymmetries are a cause: asymmetries in wealth, freedom, power.
So, if Res, or Sarah, or Terry or flory or one of the other hot chicks on here has more "sway," how can that be a bad thing?
"Wrong. Faith is a belief in something for which there is no evidence. None. That makes it de facto fucking irrational. Hello?"
Apparently you haven't spent much time examining this. Faith does not exclude evidence.
Eh?
So, if Res, or Sarah, or Terry or flory or one of the other hot chicks on here has more "sway," how can that be a bad thing?
To such trolls, it's bad because this place should be totally "equal," meaning that their voice should be heard above all others. If the community collectively "shouts them down," then it is censorship, which we know is the greatest evil in the blogosphere. Just as it is wrong for me to take down Ron Paul signs placed in my yard.
Oh well it is late. Time for bed and to ponder.
Don't let the Cheese Mites bite all.
ASW is a symptom, yes, but of asymmetries. The asymmetries are a cause: asymmetries in wealth, freedom, power.
NTodd, Defeated by Pink
Exactly. But I don't think people need an absolutely flat playing field (which is impossible to achieve), but "enough" parity to allow local control of the stuff that's important to them. Maybe.
I see problems where gross exploitation has taken place over a long period of time. Mild exploitation? We live with that constantly.
Faith does not exclude evidence.
Econ 102
What contemporary evidence survives that Jesus of Nazareth ever existed?
R. Manhammer
hee hee...I love it that at my age I am (mistakenly) called "hot" - or even "chick"!
Bless you, R. M - you have made my evening, if not my year!!
XXOO
Apparently you haven't spent much time examining this. Faith does not exclude evidence.
Econ 102
If there is actual verifiable evidence, then it's no longer in the realm of "faith" but has migrated into "belief," which is different.
yo troops - insomnia sucks.
seems you have some interesting back and forth going here.
how are we all this evening?
I don't think people need an absolutely flat playing field (which is impossible to achieve), but "enough" parity to allow local control of the stuff that's important to them. Maybe.
Oh, certainly, asymmetries always exist, whether it be one-on-one relationships or between social groups or nations. It's a matter of time, frequency, intensity, etc.
The problem is in our case we consume significantly more resources than is, well...warranted by the size of our population whilst others starve or at least live in abject poverty. And for us to control the resources necessary for our level of consumption, we project our military force around the world. Not just in Iraq, though that's the current, most extreme and deadly example.
So people want to resist for some reason. They don't hate us for our freedom--they could give a shit whether we have a right to blog or paint swastikas on our trucks or engage in sodomy. They hate us because we do in fact steal shit from people at gunpoint, then get sanctimonious about it when our victims object...
To such trolls, it's bad because this place should be totally "equal," meaning that their voice should be heard above all others. If the community collectively "shouts them down," then it is censorship, which we know is the greatest evil in the blogosphere. Just as it is wrong for me to take down Ron Paul signs placed in my yard.
NTodd, Defeated by Pink
Every social group or community has more prominent members and less prominent members. I'm less prominent, though with exceptional taste in women. I don't see a problem. If they want more prominence, then they can either be erudite, articulate, and progressive, which are traits highly valued here, or they can go to Red State Goopers For Jeebus, where their style of discourse is more the norm.
Is there a problem I'm missing?
"They hate us because we do in fact steal shit from people at gunpoint, then get sanctimonious about it when our victims object..."
yeah. why anyone thinks otherwise is beyond me.
pfft.
So people want to resist for some reason. They don't hate us for our freedom--they could give a shit whether we have a right to blog or paint swastikas on our trucks or engage in sodomy. They hate us because we do in fact steal shit from people at gunpoint, then get sanctimonious about it when our victims object...
NTodd, Defeated by Pink |
yes. of all the bullcrap that has spewed from W's foul mouth, that bit about how "they" "hate us for our freedoms" is surely the most vile and venal. It makes no fucking sense, and it is completely and utterly a lie of the first water (if an ugly thing can be, in fact, "of the first water".).
"They hate us because we do in fact steal shit from people at gunpoint, then get sanctimonious about it when our victims object..."
And we shoot up the living fuck out of one their intersections by our mercenaries, only to protect our right to be invading their country.
So people want to resist for some reason. They don't hate us for our freedom--they could give a shit whether we have a right to blog or paint swastikas on our trucks or engage in sodomy. They hate us because we do in fact steal shit from people at gunpoint, then get sanctimonious about it when our victims object...
NTodd, Defeated by Pink
Exactly. So, an actual, functional solution to the problem of asymmetrical warfare (aka, "terra") might be for the shit-swilling ass-maggots who control the multi-national corporations who own the US government to slack off and let everyone else kind of go their own way and not kill, maim, torture, and steal. Or at least, not outside of the board room.
Which reminds me. Where the fuck is my Peace Dividend?
going out for a bit - back in a bit. Which I suppose is self-defining...
they hate you for your arrogance which is manifested in many ways
"If there is actual verifiable evidence, then it's no longer in the realm of "faith" but has migrated into "belief," which is different."
If one has faith that one's child will become a good parent one day, there is usually abundant evidence to support that faith. Hence it is rational, despite the fact the child has not grown up yet and one cannot "prove" whether they indeed will be a good parent or not.
For a contrasting example, having faith in something solely because it's "common knowledge" or what have you - this is irrational.
(if an ugly thing can be, in fact, "of the first water".)
maybe if it's th first thing pissed out?
"of the first water" is a new expression to me. where's you pick it up if I may ask?
I don't see a problem. If they want more prominence, then they can either be erudite, articulate, and progressive, which are traits highly valued here, or they can go to Red State Goopers For Jeebus, where their style of discourse is more the norm.
Is there a problem I'm missing?
Yes, you're missing the biggest problem: they want to be more prominent and somehow can't get traction, so they throw hissy fits. Part of the troll psychology.
Think on this: I whine all the time about how Atrios never links to me. Mostly that's a schtick, but there's a kernel of truth there. Atrios, in fact, is a fucktard, and generally ignores me even when I blog shit that's up his alley, like media stuff. But whatever. Despite the time and energy I put into the blog, I've resigned myself to the plain reality that I have a niche that is really a niche, and a small one, and few people really give a shit.
But for trolls and our former community members who shall remain nameless, such asymmetries and injustices are the worst thing ever to happen on earth. Some start blogs decrying how things operate in this cesspool of free speech. Others just change their nyms and lob rhetorical handgrenades into the living room, hoping to be noticed.
The usual pattern is they will, in the end, become repetitive and tedious, ignoring everything that is said by people who then lash out at their stupidity, and when folks like NTodd (hey, that's me!) say nasty things, they crow about how that vindicates everything they've said.
It could be about homeschooling, the nature of PBJs, or the Nazi ethos: it's all the same.
"What contemporary evidence survives that Jesus of Nazareth ever existed?"
Relevance?
Econ 102: You have no fucking clue as to the difference between faith and belief. Give it up. Go axe your pastor, priest, or pontificator of d00m.
"of the first water" is a new expression to me. where's you pick it up if I may ask?
Uncle Blodge, Urban Teacher
I believe it's a Suthrunism. I learned it at my Mother's knee. Possibly High Redneckese.
like I said, they hate you for your arrogance
Which reminds me. Where the fuck is my Peace Dividend?
Sorry, I spent it on hookers and blow...
"What contemporary evidence survives that Jesus of Nazareth ever existed?"
Relevance?
Econ 102
Because you just now said that faith does not exclude evidence, you asshole.
Go axe your pastor, priest, or pontificator of d00m.
I recently killed The Bhudda.
Serves him right for standing in the middle of the road.
But for trolls and our former community members who shall remain nameless, such asymmetries and injustices are the worst thing ever to happen on earth. Some start blogs decrying how things operate in this cesspool of free speech. Others just change their nyms and lob rhetorical handgrenades into the living room, hoping to be noticed.
The usual pattern is they will, in the end, become repetitive and tedious, ignoring everything that is said by people who then lash out at their stupidity, and when folks like NTodd (hey, that's me!) say nasty things, they crow about how that vindicates everything they've said.
It could be about homeschooling, the nature of PBJs, or the Nazi ethos: it's all the same.
NTodd, Defeated by Pink
OK, I get it. Just a bit narcissistic, isn't it? I mean, really. If I tried to design an airplane without determining anything about air or aluminum, but just ranted and pouted when it didn't fly, they'd put my ass into management or something worse. Politics, maybe.
Arrogance of Power.
And now I gotta go to bed. Even though I won't likely get out of here tomorrow, I need some sleep--at least gotta pretend to shovel snow and grade a few exams. l8rh9rz.
"they want to be more prominent and somehow can't get traction, so they throw hissy fits. Part of the troll psychology."
seemed to me there's also an element of just being socially awkward. Not being able to read the people you're with, knowing what not to say and what to say, stuff like that.
In general it's easy not to piss off the troops. what motivates people to miss that may differ from person to person but after a time I agree it's impossible to call it ignorance.
"Econ 102: You have no fucking clue as to the difference between faith and belief."
Yet Merriam-Webster defines them as synonyms and it comes from the Latin fides, which means "faith, belief, trust." Imagine that.
Now that we've dispensed with the semantic digression, would you care to address the distinction made between rational and irrational faith?
I believe it's a Suthrunism. I learned it at my Mother's knee. Possibly High Redneckese.
R. Manhammer
Could it be in reference to the first baptism? Also, Lord love a duck? I grew up in a border state.
"Lord love a duck?"
southerners have such a rich store of these things.
They hate us because we do in fact steal shit from people at gunpoint, then get sanctimonious about it when our victims object..."
yeah. why anyone thinks otherwise is beyond me.
Uncle Blodge, Urban Teacher
Related theory, they think otherwise because if they thought this way, then their entire mental structure of how the world works (or doesn't) comes crashing down. Moreover, I think a huge number of people like to think in really brutal ways (and like to act out brutally if they don't think they'll get caught), which explains a great deal about the attractions of Fox Noose, and why the Rightards adore wars that they never actually have to fight themselves personally. Part of the human condition, I guess.
I was labeled a troll for calling Moe on lying about being Canadian. As far as I know, you actually, you know, HAVE to be Canadian to call yourself one and three months of residency doesn't qualify as one.
And Moe is a journalist who complains about inaccuracies in the MSM all the time.
"Because you just now said that faith does not exclude evidence, you asshole."
No, I said rational faith does not exclude evidence, or more generally, in response to the assertion that "faith is a belief in something for which there is no evidence," that indeed it needn't exclude evidence.
Funny, too, rereading that phrase I see "faith is a belief," from a person who is now getting worked up about how faith and belief are different things.
sorry, doesn't qualify you as one.
I was labeled a troll for calling Moe on lying about being Canadian. As far as I know, you actually, you know, HAVE to be Canadian to call yourself one and three months of residency doesn't qualify as one.
Fuck off.
Moe has been quite open about having emigrated there. And he's been there much longer than three months.
People call you a troll because you act like an idiot.
"they think otherwise because if they thought this way, then their entire mental structure of how the world works (or doesn't) comes crashing down."
yeah. Like my repug fundie friend (I still have a few) who says "I have to believe I live in the greatest country in the world" and I know she does have to believe it.
People call you a troll because you act like an idiot.
Pretty much sums it up.
yeah. Like my repug fundie friend (I still have a few) who says "I have to believe I live in the greatest country in the world" and I know she does have to believe it.
I have one of those- if they ever admit how fucked up things are, they'll have a nervous breakdown.
Yet Merriam-Webster defines them as synonyms and it comes from the Latin fides, which means "faith, belief, trust." Imagine that.
Econ 102
Wow. M-W as the fount of all knowledge? I think not. Again, go have a sit down with your spiritual witch doctor guy. He'll enlighten you to the doctrinal differences (churches use those words very specifically -- you don't -- which makes your pontificating about religious issues ludicrous), at least to the point where you freak out and kill him with the toilet plunger because you didn't get your way.
Pretty much sums it up.
I like to get to the point.
"Because you just now said that faith does not exclude evidence, you asshole."
No, I said rational faith does not exclude evidence
...
Apparently you haven't spent much time examining this. Faith does not exclude evidence.
Econ 102 | 12.16.07 - 2:08 am
Fuck you, and fuck you. You are a shitty debater and a silly person.
Moe is now an "expert" on green issues.
I came here once and posted a story about synthetic trees but Moe quickly decided that they "weren't economically feasible"
About 2 weeks later, I see an article about how synthetic trees are a very econimically feasible method of fighting increases in CO2.
but, if I posted that article here, it would be just because "I wanted to be controversial."
Moe has no educational background to make some of the statements he has. I do as I am an engineer. Yet, who do peoplehere believe? Moe even though he is wrong on many things and lies about others.
It is an eternal mystery to me why any of you waste time arguing with a troll.
Could it be in reference to the first baptism? Also, Lord love a duck? I grew up in a border state.
gullycat
No, I think it's simply the result of semi-literate people saying "of the first order" but not having a fucking clue because they don't read and never saw it written down, which is how languages drift over time.
"Wow. M-W as the fount of all knowledge?"
No, simply the standard reference for the meaning of words in the English language. Silly to contradict it with made-up meanings.
From the remainder of your nonsensical rantings, I have a rational faith that this discussion won't improve.
Moe has no educational background to make some of the statements he has.
How do you know?
Again, I invite you to fuck off.
"People call you a troll because you act like an idiot."
I think a high percentage of the time people get labeled a troll not for what they say but how they act.
sometimes people might be saying ok things or even make good points but they're so annoying in how they do it that they get labeled troll.
on a regular basis that is - many get called troll a time or two.
4lg, you're the idiot.
This happened last year when Moe hadn't been there very long.
And he is still not a Canadian today.
That makes him a liar.
From the remainder of your nonsensical rantings, I have a rational faith that this discussion won't improve.
Econ 102
No, you loon, you have a belief backed up by empirical evidence that this isn't going to get any fucking better because you haven't a clue what you are talking about.
"Fuck you, and fuck you. You are a shitty debater and a silly person."
Enlightening.
do you see what I mean about not being able to engage people here?
Moe has a journalism degree. I don't think Engineering Economy is mandatory to obtain that degree.
It was for me to obtain mine.
I think a high percentage of the time people get labeled a troll not for what they say but how they act.
sometimes people might be saying ok things or even make good points but they're so annoying in how they do it that they get labeled troll.
on a regular basis that is - many get called troll a time or two.
Uncle Blodge, Urban Teacher
I think you are right. I see pie do that fairly frequently, and pie isn't a troll, just a socially awkward person sometimes. Like me.
"No, you loon..."
Yep, killfile time. See ya.
Uncle B...first water has to do with diamonds:
http://www.phrases.org.uk/meanin...ngs/
137550.html
"It is an eternal mystery to me why any of you waste time arguing with a troll."
eh - hard not to occasionally. Just about no one avoids it 100% of the time.
I don't think charles is a troll. Just pissed off and edgy.
No, I think it's simply the result of semi-literate people saying "of the first order" but not having a fucking clue because they don't read and never saw it written down, which is how languages drift over time.
R. Manhammer
Ah. That makes sense.
Who's gonna get to be King Turd of Shit Mountain tonight?
"Moe is now an "expert" on green issues."
Because he says so - so it must be so.
Also, no one else is, because... he says so.
"Uncle B...first water has to do with diamonds:"
thank you!
there are a lot of people here who are socially awkward it seems.
sometimes people might be saying ok things or even make good points but they're so annoying in how they do it that they get labeled troll.
I say stupid shit all the time.
The difference being when called on it I'm happy to admit it.
Yep, killfile time. See ya.
Econ 102
There may well be a dog after all.
This troll certainly wins the stamina award.
I'm picturing the dude on the wow episode of southpark.
"I say stupid shit all the time.
The difference being when called on it I'm happy to admit it."
Can't be too often I don't remember it.
when I fuck up I apologize and run away.
The difference being when called on it I'm happy to admit it.
That was some stupid shit right there.
hey, mimi, thanks for worrying about me the other night. I was On Drugs following dental surgery. So much better today.
Econ, that's it exactly.
If you call an habitué on one of their lies, that makes you a troll.
I have actually been told by Molly not to question someone about a statement they made, because that person was so smart.
What kind of progressive just takes a statement on faith? Isn't the credo of the progressive "Question everything"?
I think it's because there are too many people here who don't have a scientific background. Too many English and Philosophy majors.
"Faith does not exclude evidence" is not synonymous with "faith always includes evidence."
Elementary logic.
Sarah, you are my favourite Atriot.
I'm picturing the dude on the wow episode of southpark.
with that, I'm off to enjoy the day.
you all have a good night, you hear?
Wow. First water. I'd have never believed it.
"Wow. First water. I'd have never believed it."
certainly never would have guessed it.
I thought at first of the first piss of the morning, then the first drink off the water jug...
What kind of progressive just takes a statement on faith? Isn't the credo of the progressive "Question everything"?
I think it's because there are too many people here who don't have a scientific background. Too many English and Philosophy majors.
mimi
If this were a scientific enquiry upon which the fate of nations hung, then yes. However, it isn't. This is the comments sections of a political blog. Ergo, no, we don't have to question everything.
And it doesn't have shit to do with the person's educational background.
Can't be too often I don't remember it.
That's because I speak like... once a year or so.
Sarah, you are my favourite Atriot.
mimi |
oh, honey - what an honor...XXOO
you are high, high, high on my list, as well. Alwats generous, always caring. And you make one hell of a lot of sense on a regular basis.
Hit that one on the head, Mimi.
I've seen this repeated multiple times - the "I'm an expert so you better back off" speech. Apparently I am not allowed to proffer an opinion on:
* health in the presence of a retired surgeon
* law in front of a former law student (or non-practicing attorney)
* who I think is a bad Energy Secretary in the presence of a self-proclaimed "energy policy expert"
* aviation and climate change, or environmental issues generally, in front of a journalist who believes he's King Green
Same "back off" speech, different "experts."
Appeal to authority doesn't work for me, especially when I cannot verify if such authority is even legitimate.
I thought at first of the first piss of the morning, then the first drink off the water jug...
Uncle Blodge, Urban Teacher |
those are the Other Versions thereof
"it doesn't have shit to do with the person's educational background."
seems like it gets down to that with depressing frequency.
actually people here seem to defer to people's experience quite often no matter what the educational level.
people here seem to defer to people's experience quite often no matter what the educational level.
Uncle Blodge, Urban Teacher
another reason I am comfortable here!
seems like it gets down to that with depressing frequency.
actually people here seem to defer to people's experience quite often no matter what the educational level.
Uncle Blodge, Urban Teacher
There are a LOT of really well educated, really smart, widely experienced people who come here. I find it interesting how often we agree.
It's also interesting (in a sick and twisted sort of way) to see who doesn't agree, and on what basis.
Uncle B, tell me about this asshole principal.
Sarah, the "Asshole Principle" is that one asshole can make the entire organization dysfunctional.
So, we should get rid of the assholes in our organization.
Simplisimo, eh?
If anyone's still awake, here's a sneak preview of Sunday Music Blogging.
Alwats generous, always caring. And you make one hell of a lot of sense on a regular basis.
Sarah Deere | Homepage | 12.16.07 - 2:49 am | # [kill][hide comment]
Ummmm...
Eh, never mind.
"Uncle B, tell me about this asshole principal."
he didn't like a lesson I gave (I was sick that day, but it wasn't my best) so he wrote me up on a serious incident disciplinary form and called that "an opportunity for us to talk" like he couldn't have just asked me.
he's trying to blame the theft of a laptop computer on my "negligence" and seems more concerned about sticking that to me than finding who did it.
he was all over me to get the kids out of the building on a field trip and when I scheduled one he did not approve it with no explination even when asked for one. ("we'll talk")
every year for the last 4 years 1/2 OR MORE of the teachers have left his school.
"So, we should get rid of the assholes in our organization."
you'd think that would make sense...
I never know when to jump in so usually don't.
A little late night BB King and Gary Moore (The Thrill is Gone):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l...h?
v=lqAuuIDU2sw
"It's also interesting (in a sick and twisted sort of way) to see who doesn't agree, and on what basis."
I've disagreed but tried to keep it civil and say we'll have to agree to disagree, or just dropped out of the conversation.
I've also allowed econ 102 and others to bait me. But I try...
every year for the last 4 years 1/2 OR MORE of the teachers have left his school.
Uncle Blodge, Urban Teacher
Which leaves us with the question of why YOU are still there.
"I never know when to jump in so usually don't."
JUMP!!
offerings of music always appreciated.
I just put up the winter solstice tree up. I still have not put on a topper ornament.
What should I use?
a satin Elvis?
http://www.wearmoi.co.uk/acatalo...lvis-
detail.jpg
a hallucinogenic mushroom?
http://erowid.org/plants/
amanita...as_summary1.jpg
or a Pratchett Hogfather?
http://www.woolamaloo.org.uk/hog.../
hogfather1.jpg
I've disagreed but tried to keep it civil and say we'll have to agree to disagree, or just dropped out of the conversation.
I've also allowed econ 102 and others to bait me. But I try...
Uncle Blodge, Urban Teacher
I've no problem with reasonable disagreements with reasonable people. However, I've little respect for trolls who march through telling us how wrong we are about whatever.
If I could figure out this killfile thingy, then I'd probably have less to say to certain others.
"Which leaves us with the question of why YOU are still there."
easy. it's my first year there, and I can't leave in the middle of the year.
I doubt highly I'll be asked back and don't think I want to - except I love the kids.
every year for the last 4 years 1/2 OR MORE of the teachers have left his school.
Uncle Blodge, Urban Teacher | 12.16.07 - 2:59 am | #
oh, honey, I am so sorry. Where do they come from, these miserably unhappy and fucked up people....and why oh why oh why oh do we have to deal with them???
I am so sorry that you do.
I doubt highly I'll be asked back and don't think I want to - except I love the kids.
Uncle Blodge, Urban Teacher
I suspect kids everywhere are worthy of love. Even those from the walled enclaves of the corporate elite.
I'm nearly at the end of this contract and now I'm wondering what to do, where to go myself.
However, I've little respect for trolls who march through telling us how wrong we are about whatever.
Not even when they claim to have engineering degrees from prestigious colleges?
You're awfully hard to please....
"I've little respect for trolls who march through telling us how wrong we are about whatever."
again, I think troll is about social skills, not factual right or wrong.
"If I could figure out this killfile thingy, then I'd probably have less to say to certain others."
I think econ killfiled me, so talking to that one is not a problem anymore.
Phila, you're a hard case. I imagine you would not - or do not - approve of me.
But, I still admire and respect you - and love your blog.
"I am so sorry that you do."
worst principal ever.
had one who could act crazy but she liked me - still does.
Not even when they claim to have engineering degrees from prestigious colleges?
You're awfully hard to please....
Phila, Pizen Sarpint
True. But then, I have an engineering degree from a prestigious university, too. And a masters degree. Like I said. Lots of really smart, really well educated people on here.
Angry/negative people can be bad for your brain
Phila, you're a hard case. I imagine you would not - or do not - approve of me.
Somehow I doubt that.
Now it's my turn for sleep.
oh, honey, I am so sorry. Where do they come from, these miserably unhappy and fucked up people....and why oh why oh why oh do we have to deal with them???
I am so sorry that you do.
Sarah Deere | Homepage | 12.16.07 - 3:05 am | #
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Even worse or compounding the bad is that the kids in the school with revolving teachers get screwed.
I'm surprised the school board isn't looking at the principal to find out why s/he has such a high attrition rate in teachers.
"I imagine you would not - or do not - approve of me."
SD I don't think you've annoyed anyone while I was here.
hard to believe anyone would disapprove.
Sarah is adorable.
"Even worse or compounding the bad is that the kids in the school with revolving teachers get screwed."
tell me about it. I spend a large percentage of my time with the seniors listening to them bitch about how he screwed them.
"I'm surprised the school board isn't looking at the principal to find out why s/he has such a high attrition rate in teachers."
I've wondered that myself. got no good answer, though.
Phila, you're a hard case. I imagine you would not - or do not - approve of me.
This is baffling. I have no problem with you at all, on any level. Quite the opposite, as I've said countless times. You're one of my favorite people.
I was starting to take issue with the notion that Mimi is "generous" with much of anything besides insults (this thread being a good example). But then I let it go, sort of. Nothing to do with you, really.
The hogfather found on the cover of the Pratchett book is a better image than the one I previously found.
http://www.cultfiction.com.au/
us..._1169438956.jpg
"was starting to take issue with the notion that Mimi is "generous" with much of anything besides insults"
funny - when I've encountered mimi it's been tall tales and weirdness - but not a lot of insults.
I must have missed something.
Affection creates blind spots.
Margaret, lurks-a-lot | 12.16.07 - 3:08 am | #
anyway, welcome to the nightshift.
I must have missed something.
Uncle Blodge, Urban Teacher | 12.16.07 - 3:12 am | # [kill][hide comment]
Her comment at 2:35, for instance. And the related comments above.
Damn it's using the the floating die found on the inside of one of those 8-ball toys.
There seems to be a direct correlation between abusiveness and hypersensitivity. Seems counterintuitive.
Her comment at 2:35, for instance. And the related comments above.
Phila, Pizen Sarpint
Yeah, I went there. But I'm wondering if the problem isn't the sound of whining rather than the factual stuff. NTodd could have said the same thing (in a different way), but we'd have all laughed.
"Her comment at 2:35, for instance. And the related comments above."
ah - ok.
I guess i didn't see that as insulting in the same way as fuck your grandmother, asshat is - just argumentative.
on further review it is a slam at moe. Point taken.
not for a moment wondering why mimi is thought of as a troll. that seems well earned.
I was so sad to hear about Terry Pratchett's early dementia. I want many more of his books and of course for him to stay well.
And I'm not a "hard case," either. I like everyone here. I don't always agree, but it's nothing personal.
And I wouldn't have learned nearly as much hanging around here if everyone agreed anyway.
Depresses me that I've ever given anyone a different impression. But such is life. And God knows this is a weird form of communication.
"Damn it's using the the floating die found on the inside of one of those 8-ball toys."
or a big bag of fortune cookies.
Dehumanizing people allows our consciences to feel at ease about harming them.
"Terry Pratchett's early dementia." ????
news to me. That would suck.
Let's hope that the diagnosis of Alzheimer's disease For Pratchett was a mistaken one. That it he has something else wrong that is treatable.
news to me. That would suck.
I heard it on the BBC. Supposedly Pratchett has told about it himself. Called it "a botherance."
So, is "Hogfather" a product of early dementia, or the result of it.
And I'm not a "hard case," either. I like everyone here. I don't always agree, but it's nothing personal.
I like everyone here except that weird fellow Phila. He has stopped sending me chocolate.
Yeah, I went there. But I'm wondering if the problem isn't the sound of whining rather than the factual stuff. NTodd could have said the same thing (in a different way), but we'd have all laughed.
R. Manhammer | Homepage | 12.16.07 - 3:16 am | # [kill][hide comment]
Well, tone counts for a lot, definitely, and Mimi's tends to be pretty sour and humorless (IMO).
I tend to think she's a sockpuppet in any case, but a rose by any other name, yadda yadda.
I like everyone here except that weird fellow Phila. He has stopped sending me chocolate.
Echidne | Homepage | 12.16.07 - 3:19 am | # [kill][hide comment]
Careful what you wish for....
Well, tone counts for a lot, definitely, and Mimi's tends to be pretty sour and humorless (IMO).
I tend to think she's a sockpuppet in any case, but a rose by any other name, yadda yadda.
Phila, Pizen Sarpint
I find my head nodding to all of your points.
I've wondered that myself. got no good answer, though.
Uncle Blodge, Urban Teacher | 12.16.07 - 3:10 am | #
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My sister just retired after 30 years of teaching. To all of you who get invested in the kids, my hat is off to you. I never had the right disposition for it... or my education profs were terrible... or both.
No, I like Phila a lot. Hey, Phila, why don't we set up a blog together?
So, is "Hogfather" a product of early dementia, or the result of it.
Hogfather, the book is a perceptive description of the origins of the Santa Claus myth.
He captured most of the horror of a mid-winter evil creature, sneaking into your home while still making the story amusing.
"I find my head nodding to all of your points."
maybe you're just falling asleep
The median net worth of the self-employed is 5 times that of those who work for someone else.
anyway, welcome to the nightshift.
Uncle Blodge, Urban Teacher | 12.16.07 - 3:13 am | #
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Thanks! In my next life, I'd like to sleep at night and be awake during the day. In this one, I seem to migrate around the clock.
No, I like Phila a lot. Hey, Phila, why don't we set up a blog together?
Echidne | Homepage | 12.16.07 - 3:21 am | # [kill][hide comment]
Sure! It could be about knitting and vaudeville. And chocolate!
BTW, you should watch the video at my homepage. It's from your neck of the woods, sort of.
maybe you're just falling asleep
Uncle Blodge, Urban Teacher
Well, in my defense, it IS rather late. In fact, I'm off the clock at this point. I should just finish this one document and take my butt home through the snow which turned to sleet which has apparently turned back to snow.
I love the Midwest. No, really!
speaking of sleep - need some.
I'll leave it to others to explain why for certain things the mean is better than the median
The median net worth of the self-employed is 5 times that of those who work for someone else.
If that is true it is because the statistics combine those who own large firms, doctors and dentists and then all those people selling on eBay.
If that is true it is because the statistics combine those who own large firms, doctors and dentists and then all those people selling on eBay.
Echidne
Those god-forsaken eBayers are skewing the curve! Bastards!
Let me explain to him... in simple arithmetic... one, two, three! Because you don't fuckin' get itt!
BTW, you should watch the video at my homepage. It's from your neck of the woods, sort of.
Estonian? It sounds as if I should understand it but I don't, and usually that's either Estonian or Hungarian.
maybe you're just falling asleep
Uncle Blodge, Urban Teacher | 12.16.07 - 3:22 am | # [kill][hide comment]
No, it's definitely agreement. I've seen it a million times. No sooner do I start talking then everyone starts nodding in assent.
They tend to close their eyes, too, the better to concentrate on what I'm saying. It may look like stupor to the untrained observor, but I know better....
You give us the tapes. We get the record contract. We come back and give you your fuckin' money.
Nothing to do with you, really.
Phila, Pizen Sarpint
my bad, dear. I could take the easy out and say I'm On Drugs, but, honestly I just fucked up. I have always liked mimi, she;s been swell to me, so I have that bias. You have never been anything but lovely to me. Please forgive my asshatedness, okay?
I'll leave it to others to explain why for certain things the mean is better than the median
Depends on the shape of the distribution and whether it is unimodal or not. Also depends on what you are studying.
"If that is true it is because the statistics combine those who own large firms, doctors and dentists and then all those people selling on eBay."
Ratios of medians and means are about the same.
Have you heard the tapes? Have you even heard them? We're guaranteed a record deal. Our stuff is that good!
Estonian? It sounds as if I should understand it but I don't, and usually that's either Estonian or Hungarian.
Echidne | Homepage | 12.16.07 - 3:26 am | # [kill][hide comment]
Yeah, it's Estonian.
I don't understand a word of it, but something gives me this sneaking suspicion that it's about churning.
The median net worth of the self-employed is 5 times that of those who work for someone else.
It could be like the sour joke,
How to become a millionaire easily?
answer:
Start with 10 or 100 million dollars, open your own business and run it a few years. Pretty soon all you'll have left is about 1 million.
They've discovered some new shapes to distributions in recent years.
Ratios of medians and means are about the same.
Are they? The point is that the category "self-employed" spans people with very different sources of incomes. Bill Gates might be self-employed, but so is someone doing tailoring from home.
Phila, when I say you are a "hard case", all I mean is that you are reality based, I suppose. Nothing wrong with that.
I tend to be somewhat gossamer-inclined...
"They tend to close their eyes, too, the better to concentrate on what I'm saying. It may look like stupor to the untrained observor, but I know better...."
was recently giving a lecture, and heads just started crashing down.
finished my rant and one of the kids said "damn, you put everyone to sleep"
I said thanks for calling me boring she responded, "No really, I'm impressed!"
off for real now
Please forgive my asshatedness, okay?
Sarah Deere | Homepage | 12.16.07 - 3:28 am | # [kill][hide comment]
There's none to forgive. I could've and should've kept my trap shut in the first place.
Statistics isn't a legitimate form of inquiry where plastic humans are involved.
Night, Uncle Blodge
'Night, Uncle Blodge! Good to see you again!
Phila, when I say you are a "hard case", all I mean is that you are reality based, I suppose. Nothing wrong with that.
See, that's funny, 'cause as I see it, I'm absolutely fucking nuts...my psyche's held together with string and bubble gum, basically.
It's nice that some people see me differently...but it's hard to relate it to how I actually feel.
Got to turn in...long day tomorrow.
Sweet dreams, all.
See, that's funny, 'cause as I see it, I'm absolutely fucking nuts...my psyche's held together with string and bubble gum, basically.
and I see you as completely sane and in control.
Huh.
Guess we all have a lot to learn about one another, eh?
"Are they? The point is that the category "self-employed" spans people with very different sources of incomes. Bill Gates might be self-employed, but so is someone doing tailoring from home."
Is Bill Gates self-employed? Ooh, that's a good question. Hm.
Lots more tailors than Bill Gateses.
Here's the source:
http://www.census.gov/compendia/...les/
07s0702.xls
I also find it interesting that educational differences account for a greater wealth disparity than racial differences, though obviously it would be preferable if there were no differences in the latter case.
'night, phila - sweet dreams, no bedbugs. Sleep the sleep of the most blessed. I say so.
"Statistics isn't a legitimate form of inquiry where plastic humans are involved."
I think most people like believing that, but it's not true.
Does this mean the self employed are smarter than black folk?
Chocolate is stronger than chamomile.
I also find it interesting that educational differences account for a greater wealth disparity than racial differences, though obviously it would be preferable if there were no differences in the latter case.
I haven't downloaded the file, but if the self-employed category contains the subcategory "professionals" (doctors, dentists, lawyers) that would explain the effect of education on their net worth values.
See, that's funny, 'cause as I see it, I'm absolutely fucking nuts...my psyche's held together with string and bubble gum, basically.
I used to know a guy who owned and ran a automated embroidery company. They had machines that could sew almost any piece of artwork on to a shirt, a hat or other bit of cloth.
Anyway, those machines had thread guides made of some sort of hard ceramic carbide material. The thread would wear away that material is a shocking short time. Thread is harder than you'd think.
I'm going to go to sleep now. That's where I get to be a Viking, right?
Good night, bats.
Everywhere it's Christmas!
At the end of every year!!!
I do wish mimi saw that despite her frenetic freak-out, Sarah D has survived.
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Comment by mimi blocked
Now if good ol' Zod would show up, I'd have the trifecta!
Sarah D has survived.
plantsman, bulbalicious
oh, my, yes. Takes a lot to take me out, I think.
"I haven't downloaded the file, but if the self-employed category contains the subcategory "professionals" (doctors, dentists, lawyers) that would explain the effect of education on their net worth values."
Sorry for being unclear.
The data is broken into separate categories for householders - things like educational attainment, current work status, region, race, and so on. There is no sub-category data that refines the educational level among the self-employed, for example (at least in the table I referenced - source data may have that detail).
The comment about education compared to race was simply noting that the median with a college degree is about 10 times wealthier than the median without a high school diploma, whereas the median white non-hispanic is about 5 times wealthier than the median non-white or hispanic.
Y'know, it's kinda sad that even when trolls try to be nice, concerned net-buddies; they can't quite pull it off.
What are you doing up Plantsman?
BTW, I've noticed that chickadee birds are now hanging around on my land. Not a big deal really but I think it's neat.
Appeal to authority doesn't work for me, especially when I cannot verify if such authority is even legitimate.
Econ 102
Which is why he holds class(or displays a lack thereof) here all the time...
speaking of school...
every year for the last 4 years 1/2 OR MORE of the teachers have left his school.
Uncle Blodge, Urban Teacher
He may be getting icnentives to drive teachers off. Benefits and pay scale, etc.
Most companies in manufacture and service assume they can get by with moderate retention, rolling over payroll to introductory levels works on their short term returns so the incentive management to produce such results...
Were I a union teacher I'd ask for some comparative stats, review policies for the postmerger and consolidation effects used in conjunction with NCLB, etc.
Why make senseless comments when only 18 people are online?
I'm responding to my body, and waking up when it says to, dammit. I'm going thru another earlier-and-earlier phase.