I'MMA LET YOU FINISH
Pron?
to TKK
but my gender card!
and damn you Kenosha Kid.
Damn me? Even mer waved.
Spoken like a true heathen.
(Well said, btw.)
But...but Elizabeth Kucinich has a tongue stud!!!!
This just in ... Osama bin Laden to lead pro-democracy movement in Pakistan ... will be called "Green Revolution" ... guarantees presence of "protest babes" to ensure coverage of western media ... developing ....
Hear, hear!
Saturday morning speed blogging.... I thought the good Dr. Black took the weekends off..
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all better?
There are a few people who lurk/post here who have sexual hang-ups (I'm looking at you, sex troll). Their inability to find the fun and beauty in sexuality is really quite sad, imho.
I'm having a mini-carb crisis. Will buy Garlic Triscuits and consume them very sparingly.
You people are just obsessed with SEX.
If I looked like most of these Christofascists, I'd want to avoid discussions of sex too.
Dammit! Dead-threaded
Jimmy Carter's embrace of human rights as a centerpiece of his foreign policy.
He got hammered by the republicans for his human rights policies, not being sufficiently the baby-eating real politik Henry Kissinger. Then Reagan gets elected, and what does he do? He starts making odd hooting noises about the lack of human rights in the Soviet Union (by which he could have meant anything from being able to have a bible to being able to get a blow job).
And damn mer!
I like sex; sometimes, I even have it!
Tom Periollo: "Doesn't the ready availability of internet porn....zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
Sorry- fell asleep. I've been waiting for this giant porn file to download for hours now.
If I looked like most of these Christofascists, I'd want to avoid discussions of sex too.
But the funny thing is, sex isn't exclusively about the way someone looks. It's a package deal.
I'm having a mini-carb crisis.
plantsman
Oh dear, I read that as you were having a "crab" crisis and thought, jeesh, tmi.
But...but Elizabeth Kucinich has a tongue stud!!!!
That ain't the only piercing she has.......eat your hearts out.
Actually, the only valid question is who is involved in the pornography. Which gets down to the definition of "child."
Not all porn stars are famous and/or powerful, independent women. I would imagine a lot of them are children, although perhaps not in the legal sense of the term. People wanting to rub their genitals together is one thing; hell, that's human. People doing it for food and shelter is seldom glamorous. It's usually pathetic and often, since nobody likes to see naked 50 year olds (or too many naked 30 year olds, for that matter) exploitative.
So there is that issue.
It really doesn't matter all that much what peoples' genitals are rubbing against.
Unless it's a wire brush or something.
Porn is just quaint, when you've got war on Iran:
see http://cabdrollery.blogspot.com/
Pakistan background
On June 20, 2001, General Musharraf was sworn in as the country's President, after the Provisional Constitutional Order (PCO) was amended (the PCO functions in place of the country's suspended Constitution).
It really doesn't matter all that much what peoples' genitals are rubbing against.
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Unless against sheep, toilet lurkers, priests, pedophiles, and politicians.
Shocking, just shocking.
But the funny thing is, sex isn't exclusively about the way someone looks. It's a package deal.
There is a difference between looking sexy and sexy looking.
Years ago I went looking for naked pix of Brad Pitt but found most sites wanted $ to enter. I think that was the last time I visited a porn site. Except for Jimmy/Jeff, of course.
Unless against sheep
That's between me an' the sheep!
Alright, read the link, now I'll dare to be tedious, then I'll go clean house.
The basis for critique is a critical question. Do we critique porn because it exploits people economically? Do we show no concern for psychic/spiritual degradation? We do for "children," which we define as anyone under the age of 21, 18, or sometimes 17. Why? Because it's economically offensive? Or because they are human beings who need to be protected? Protected from what? And on what basis?
Legitimate questions, but usually tossed aside in the desire not to be a "blue nose." Whatever that is.
Per BBC- police have surrounded Supreme Court building in Islamabad- Justices believed to be inside.
Years ago I went looking for naked pix of Brad Pitt but found most sites wanted $ to enter. I think that was the last time I visited a porn site. Except for Jimmy/Jeff, of course.
ql vaginal American
Well, I ain't that hard to find.
Even-numbered centuries seem to be more puritanical than odd-numbered one:
1400s: Inquisition.
1500s: Renaissance.
1600s: Puritanism.
1700s: Enlightenment.
1800s: Victorianism.
1900s: Roaring 20s, dirty fucking hippies.
2000s: Wingnuttery.
So it looks like the neo-Victorian era is just starting.
Excuse me while I go into the garage and suck on my exhaust piple.
Oprah is really sticking with this "cleaning up her girls school" thing.
DiFi "explains" herself
by Kagro X
Sat Nov 03, 2007 at 06:42:31 AM PDT
Sen. Dianne Feinstein offers up what she must this morning: an op-ed in the LA Times "explaining" her decision to vote in the Senate Judiciary Committee to send on the nomination of Judge Michael Mukasey to the full Senate for approval.
Here's the "meat" of it:
Judge Mukasey is not Alberto R. Gonzales.
Ta-da!
To be "fair," Feinstein and the Times claim there's more. And there is. There are more words. You can go and read the ones she's wrapped the dead fish of Gonzales' ghost in if you like. But they're all window dressing.
As is the nomination of a "new Attorney General."
http://www.dailykos.com/
The porn sensibility has also pervaded the culture. So there are 'pimp and ho' theme parties. So women's bodies become ever more objectified. And so on. And I'm always startled by foreign films' depictions of sexuality as an adult activity...
I don't, alas, see Victorianism, and its obverse, prurience, going away any time soon. Too bad. There's a lot of unhappiness that results from it. And yes, it serves the interests of the right wing and the fundies.
Jeez I come back here and everyone is talking about sex with sheep....
like it's a bad thing or something...
I wonder if Buchanan has to pay rent to bed down in the MSNBC studio?
I find repressed, kinky, secretive sex much more disturbing than porn. (And I agree with Rmj, it should not involve children, see first sentence.)
But the funny thing is, sex isn't exclusively about the way someone looks. It's a package deal.
Which makes it even more amazing that they don't compensate for their physical shortcomings with dazzling personality, wit, or empathy...
Even if Mukasey is approved by commitee, can he be filibustered in the full Senate?
Shouldn't it be aught 7?
Censorship may not be a viable or appropriate solution, but do any of us honestly believe that the ready availability of internet porn is not destroying something sacred within us?
The problem with such sentiments is not just hang-ups, but stem from sanctimony condescension, and such abstracts ideas are so formless they lead vague half hearted attempts at control.
This reminds me of Peter Beinart's "we're on the side of the angels" prior to the Iraq war. Aside from being unbelievably pretentions and irretrievably stupid, it leads naturally to invading and occupying a country we know nothing about, but doing so in a half assed manner, since people like Beinart tend not think very much, except about how much the angels love them.
Do we critique porn because it exploits people economically? Do we show no concern for psychic/spiritual degradation? We do for "children," which we define as anyone under the age of 21, 18, or sometimes 17. Why? Because it's economically offensive? Or because they are human beings who need to be protected? Protected from what? And on what basis?
Those are the exact questions that Susan Faludi asked in Stiffed.
She went to the set of a porno movie (which is where I first learned the term "money shot"). It's been forever since I read the book, but she didn't really come to a conclusion other than the financial rewards of the porn industry trump any worries of exploitation.
naught seven....
When Pat Buchanan ran for President, he got less than 1% of the popular vote, nationally.
He need never opine again.
from comments at the link:
I don't know how to make it any more basic than this: There are two great cult traditions in human religion: death cults and fertility cults. Fertility cults regard sexuality as sacred. Death cults regard sexuality as dirty. Christianity is a death cult. And as such, it has a common root with pornography.
The fact that pornography has become so readily available is almost certainly a very good thing. It has deastically diminshed the charge of taboo. Give us another two or three generations like this, and we might almost be healthy.
I'm with ProfW; it's an adult activity.
Although the hard corn porn I saw in Europe involved neither adult behavior nor sex. Just genitals. Which is mostly what porn is about.
I prefer the adult activity.
Oh, man. Time for the sexiest woman alive post: Hint, it is the lady who can say, in all honesty, "That sounds like fun, let's try it!"
Back to your regularly scheduled program
With the ubiquity of porn, I feel really bad for young girls coming up now. The boys were bad enough when I was young, but at least then they weren't all thinking that double-anal was a normal sexual activity.
I don't think porn can or should be outlawed, but on the other hand, I definitely would not classify it as something ennobling to the human spirit. There's what Rmj said about it, and then there's the fact that porn isn't just showing people fucking so much as it is highly fetishizing the act and everything connected to it.
I mean, seriously, is there any reason why in every porno the girls have shaved twats and are wearing cheap and ugly shoes with 6 inch heels?
I don't know how to make it any more basic than this: There are two great cult traditions in human religion: death cults and fertility cults. Fertility cults regard sexuality as sacred. Death cults regard sexuality as dirty. Christianity is a death cult. And as such, it has a common root with pornography.
The fact that pornography has become so readily available is almost certainly a very good thing. It has deastically diminshed the charge of taboo. Give us another two or three generations like this, and we might almost be healthy.
spinoza, non ridere, non luger
I'm teaching argument in my Freshman English class this week.
I'm keeping this comment as an example of a reductio ad absurdum.
I've said all I can possible say about sex, which is to say that I think great sex with a good partner is the most delicious thing on earth.
And with that, I'm off to clean the bathroom.
Naked.
I wonder if Buchanan has to pay rent to bed down in the MSNBC studio?
He is like a shark. He doesn't sleep. They just let him watch christian opus dei porn all night.
Censorship may not be a viable or appropriate solution, but do any of us honestly believe that the ready availability of internet porn is not destroying something sacred within us?
Pardon me, but Oh, Please! I do not presume anything sexual could sully anything "sacred."
I read the link but not what it linked to. Personally, I'd like there to be a charge for all porn sites. And I'm all for prosecuting exploitation of children and coercion of participants in the industry. And I don't want crotches and dick to open up in my email.
Before the internet you had to go out of your way to acquire porn. I'm okay with simulating that policy online.
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Even if Mukasey is approved by commitee, can he be filibustered in the full Senate?
Sure.
Not that it will ever happen, but sure.
porn is so juvenile.
nanny nanny boo too
and I'm off to do the Saturday stuff, batz, cyl8r
Sure.
Not that it will ever happen, but sure.
HoneyBearKelly | Homepage | 11.03.07 - 10:30 am | #
Yeah, the committee was the place to sink him. Chucky and DINOFi gave Chimp exactly what he wanted- AGAIN.
Maybe Condi can file it in her "No one could have predicted...." file.
Before the internet you had to go out of your way to acquire porn. I'm okay with simulating that policy online.
I don't think that's true, Sparkle.
Porn takes on many shapes. Wether it be sexualizing a teenage girl or boy, or the mere suggestion of sex through fun or pun.
Pornography means different things to different people. Any efforts to regulate it are bound to fail (and rightfully so).
"Censorship may not be a viable or appropriate solution, but do any of us honestly believe that the ready availability of internet porn is not destroying something sacred within us?"
This kind of reminds me of the film THX 1138 where people had become numb to what they were watching on their TV's and totally disconnected from the violence being viewed.
believe that the ready availability of internet porn is not destroying something sacred within us?
Oh hell no. If people are riddled with guilt, it's because the guilt's there long before most people are exposed to porn.
Isn't it true that our current accepted grammar was devised in the Victorian Age? DOWN WITH THE GRAMMAR POLICE.
The fundies want this century to glory in
A renaissance of attitudes Victorian;
In both the House and, higher, in the Senate halls,
They're trying to pass laws against our genitals.
Our friends the Saudis are also implicated in the Mooshy thing since they're keeping Nawaz Sharif under de facto house arrest in Jeddah when he could lead a pro-democracy movement (especially as Benazir seems to have been compromised by her approved return home).
from FDL
As for the sex part, there are allegedly 1.3 million porn websites, with a total of 260 million lust-drenched pages. GOOD Magazine says (in a pseudo-erotic video, of course) that 12 percent of all Web sites are porn, 25 percent of all search engine requests are for porn, 35 percent of all Internet downloads are pornographic,and $2.84 billion in revenue was generated from U.S. porn sites in 2006.
do any of us honestly believe that the ready availability of internet porn is not destroying something sacred within us?
Laughable, ridiculous.
All it takes is 1 senator to place a hold on his nomination.
But then Reid will override it any way so big fucking deal.
Pornography means different things to different people.
Yep.
To me, it means "boring."
Porn shouldn't be censored. Nor should a 12 year old boy be able to get some of it.
A lot of it is ugly, demeans women, exploits some quite young girls and boys, and I don't want it in my life. I'm allowed to go all Potter Stewart on this; I'm not a Supreme Court justice. And I know Molly's closing speech from 'Ulysses' was once viewed as pornographic. But don't pretend that 'dirty Sanchez's' and all the rest of it do anything to advance the human condition.
Ed Schultz wants us to run against illegal immigration and now we're supposed to run against porn. god damnit
Was it Ed Harris' character 'Charlie Dick', who coined the phrase bumpin' uglies in the 1985 movie Sweet Dreams about Patsy Cline's life career and untimely death?
anyone know of an earlier instance of it's use?
do any of us honestly believe that the ready availability of internet porn is not destroying something sacred within us?"
I get nervous when people start talking about what's sacred within us.
WTF does that bullshit phrase mean anyway -- other than they think they know what's best for us.
But then Reid will override it any way so big fucking deal.
HoneyBearKelly | Homepage | 11.03.07 - 10:35 am | #
Thom Hartmann was saying there are rumors of change of leadership in the Senate because of Reids spinelessness.
JMJ
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I don't think that's true, Sparkle.
Well, I'm talking about skin mags, the kind of stuff that was kept under the counter or in the back room. Or in some adult shop in an area not zoned to prohibit it.
If you're talking about "art", well, yeah, that's a difficult subject. All those painted nudes that titillated viewers in their day and from which our "critical" faculties have helped distance us now.
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To me, it means "boring."
Me too.
The biggest problem, to me, is advertisers never-ending quest to sexualize every single aspect of consumer society.
Oh hell no. If people are riddled with guilt, it's because the guilt's there long before most people are exposed to porn.
Yep. A lot of the complainers give humans the sophistication of a pigeon in a Skinner box.
do any of us honestly believe that the ready availability of internet porn is not destroying something sacred within us?
What's destroying something sacred in us is the loss of civil liberties, the rampant corporatism, the loss of financial ground, and the constant and false propaganda spewed upon us.
I'd have to say that porn is pretty far down the list.
Laughable, ridiculous.
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Considering I have to sit through erectile disfunction commercials and watch sex on soaps and cable reality shows, that reach kids on the liivng room teevee, I would start there with any talk of boundaries.
But the funny thing is, sex isn't exclusively about the way someone looks. It's a package deal.
Vicki, Who ♥ Al Gore
And that's mostly where the problem stems from. They couldn't get any in high school/college and decided that no one else should either.
Antisocial and/or "unattractive" people should be allowed no sexual outlet whatsoever.
The biggest problem, to me, is advertisers never-ending quest to sexualize every single aspect of consumer society.
Zap Rowsdower
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ding ding ding
Thom Hartmann was saying there are rumors of change of leadership in the Senate because of Reids spinelessness.
I love Thom but the chances of that happening are slim and none.
However, I would gladly eat crow.
Isn't it true that our current accepted grammar was devised in the Victorian Age? DOWN WITH THE GRAMMAR POLICE.
Interesting concept. However, I prefer reading well written posts as opposed to posts littered with poor grammar. And I do judge people on their overall ability to convey a well-reasoned message. Grammar serves a purpose. "Eats, shoots, and leaves" or "Eats shoots and leaves"?
The biggest problem, to me, is advertisers never-ending quest to sexualize every single aspect of consumer society.
Can you say that naked?
Honey Bear, I'm hoping as well. I realize the prospects are small. But Hartmann's not an idiot, either.
"It really doesn't matter all that much what peoples' genitals are rubbing against."
Assuming all parties involved are there voluntarilly.
OT: Yurp'an Union has condemned Mooshy's emergency rule declaration, nothing from White House.
But if you have EDS, don't forget the Viagra and the porn.
Lizzy! I'm ready!
Thom Hartmann was saying there are rumors of change of leadership in the Senate because of Reids spinelessness.
pigboy
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Fuck yes. The House as well.
The official Pakistan Government website. http://www.infopak.gov.pk/
The Headline is: President Musharraf managed to revive the country’s economy like never before.
There's a handy link to the constitution on the left there, and even more usefully, a job section, where presumably they'll be looking for a new Chief Justice fairly soon.
the "fun" thing about fundies is that they are almost identical to the Republicans ... left on their own they are fully capable of discrediting themselves completely
What's destroying something sacred in us is the loss of civil liberties, the rampant corporatism, the loss of financial ground, and the constant and false propaganda spewed upon us.
A lot of those things get depicted, and fetishized, in porn.
I pretty much hate porn, if for no other reason than its poverty of imagination. Sure, it's very imaginative in depicting all the different positions and holes into which members may be plugged, but beyond that, it's very formulaic...big plastic breasts, shaved crotches, hooker clothes...there's nothing of beauty in porn.
Assuming all parties involved are there voluntarilly.
The goat never say "Nah"!
-Mickey Kaus
Can you say that naked?
/takes off pants
DAMN, IT'S COLD!
Guess not...
Assuming all parties involved are there voluntarilly.
HieronymusTheTrollBraintree
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That goes without saying, being that it is a crime.
Antisocial and/or "unattractive" people should be allowed no sexual outlet whatsoever.
shorter fanatics
Republicans need relief, too.
Boy, I agree with that: I do NOT want to see advertisements for Erectile Dysfunction drugs, Herpes Drugs, Sexual lubricants and the rest on REGULAR TV during the time when children are watching: THAT is pornographic.
there are forms of pornography I object to, such as snuff films and anything with kids. Those are no doubt covered under existing law. However, I imagine most porn is simply laughable, and one man's porn is another's art.
anyone know of an earlier instance of it's use?
Bumpin' Uglies
Hedda Gabler.
Can you say that naked?
/takes off pants
DAMN, IT'S COLD!
Ha! That's what they all say.
I admit that I think that the radio commercials for KY jelly are amusing.
Who'd a thunk that Sousa would go well with that product line?
Honey Bear, I'm hoping as well. I realize the prospects are small. But Hartmann's not an idiot, either.
Granted.
But it's not just Reid.
How about the senators (other than Dodd) showing some fucking leadership?
HRC?
Obama?
Biden?
You all want to be leaders of the country how about showing some cojones?
(Yeah. Even you Hillary.)
Grammar serves a purpose. "Eats, shoots, and leaves" or "Eats shoots and leaves"?
Vicki, Who
ooh la la
I love it when you type ambiguously grammatical
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Let me add: I still believe that the Jerry Springer Show and others of its ilk are far more pornographic than any fuck movie that has ever been made.
I gotta go... and sadly there will be no sex involved. Unless I get in a car wreck.. then I will be fucked..
You people are just obsessed with SEX.
Larry Craig, butt pirated | 11.03.07 - 10:19 am
Hey, if you'd've just stuck to porn, you wouldn't be in the fix you're in.
there's nothing of beauty in porn.
Jennifer
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I saw some pretty funny "Calamity Jane" porn on cable last week.
DWD, what I'd like to see is prescription drug advertising outlawed. I consider that to be an unhealthy development.
Commercials for products such as condoms and other methods of contraception are rampant in Europe. They don't bother me at all.
I pretty much hate porn, if for no other reason than its poverty of imagination.
I remember seeing deep throat with a few friends. Afterwards, one of them, a liberal arts college graduate, asked "Is it really possible that a woman could have a clitoris in her throat?" I am much more troubled by the implications of that statement than a lot of other things about porn.
I'd have to say that porn is pretty far down the list.
You're right, sallyh. And Jennifer, too.
I remember coming across "Joy of Sex" for the first time -- at the Coop in Harvard Square. I was with a girlfriend, very stoned, and we snatched that book right up.
I sure didn't think of it as porn, but I imagine some people did. Damn you, zap, for making me think abou ths!
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I actually don't understand why people get freaked out if their kids are exposed to an erectile dysfunction drug commercial. Perhaps someone could explain.
there's nothing of beauty in porn.
No kidding, it's porn. You want beauty, go to an Art Museum.
Porn shouldn't be censored. Nor should a 12 year old boy be able to get some of it.
See. I don't know. When I was 12, my friends and I were on a constant hunt for porno mags (Internets were invented but my 1200baud modem left something to be desired). I don't think this early exposure to porn hurt us in any way. And it was as kinky and nasty as any internet porn you'd see these days. I just don't think it's that big of a deal as long as everyone involved in the porn is there voluntarily.
Porn should be kept away from Republicans.
Tiny Tim, it doesn't freak me out.
What it does do is give the message that 50 year old guys should be functioning like 20 year olds, which is absurd. 50 year old guys should be 50 year old guys, especially with 50 year old women. We're not what we used to be, either 
anyone know of an earlier instance of it's use?
Bumpin' Uglies
Hedda Gabler.
How do you say that in Norwegian?
No kidding, it's porn. You want beauty, go to an Art Museum.
plantsman, areligious | Homepage | 11.03.07 - 10:47 am |
Tell that to the teacher in Texas who lost her job taking her students to an art museam.
Let me add: I still believe that the Jerry Springer Show and others of its ilk are far more pornographic than any fuck movie that has ever been made.
Jennifer
Oh my, yes.
Besides, parents can limit what their children have access to on the internets. Internet access should only be in public space, i.e. living room or some such, and screen facing out for youngsters.
Grammar serves a purpose. "Eats, shoots, and leaves" or "Eats shoots and leaves"?
Vicki, Who
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well, that is about clear writing, I am talking about the freaks who give a shit about the little errors. I write to communicate and don't give a fuck if my participle dangles.
Yes, to say nothing of the fact that we are chronicling for posterity the abilities of some incredibly gifted people in the area of screwing. Someone once called them 'sexists'. If we ever get beyond our hangups with sex, we may realize that we have a virtual library of
some of the most gifted sexual enthusiasts to ever live (thanks to visual technology). Maybe we should eliminate the use of the word 'porn'. If you keep a totally open mind about the whold process, it would seem we're still around the time of the Witch Trials as far as human sexuality goes.
You gotta pick the RIGHT Museum -- and in the "Bible Belt", all bets are off!
You people are just obsessed with SEX.
Larry Craig, butt pirated | 11.03.07 - 10:19 am
Hey, if you'd've just stuck to porn, you wouldn't be in the fix you're in.
R. McGeddon
I can tell you one thing, I'll never rough it and go without a lubricant. But I pretty well got fucked, if you know what I mean.
Thom Hartmann was saying there are rumors of change of leadership in the Senate because of Reids spinelessness.
Oh, wouldn't that be loverly? And the House to deep six Nan next.
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Hey Gomez,
I'm naked and the locksmith's here!
Charlie and Wanda were John Birch Society members and were our neighbors two doors down. They'd send their kids out to sit on the porch while platex living bra commercials were on TV ... Paul was their youngest and he was the one at the back door of the school prancing around singing made up songs that used every cuss word and the one that got kicked out of coming into the fort because he stuck his finger in his butt and then sniffed it. I think society's problems are the suppression side of sexuality not the overt
Morning, all.
I'm shocked, shocked I tell you, that I've been gone for a day and when I come back you people are talking about smut.
Pakistan
ISLAMABAD: Chief of Army Staff General Pervez Musharraf has imposed emergency in the country and issued new Provisional Constitutional Order (PCO) and Chief Justice Iftikhar Mohammed Chaudhry has been removed from his office.
According to sources, the president will have extra-ordinary powers after the imposition of the emergency.
Meantime, the eight-member Supreme Court bench has set aside the decision regarding emergency in the country.
According to the sources, new PCO has been announced to take effect immediately. And the constitution of 1973 has been suspended. Under the PCO, Chief Justice of Supreme Court Justice Iftikhar Mohammed Chaudhry has been deposed from his office.
Chief Justice was verbally said that his services are no more required.
There are reports that the transmission of the private television channels have been terminated in Islamabad, Lahore and Karachi. Mobile phones are also being jammed.
PTA has issued directives to all mobile phone operators to suspend their services; after which the mobile phone operators suspended SMS services.
The security forces have take over the control of the radio and television stations.
President Pervez Musharraf is expected to address the nation tonight at any time.
Under new PCO, national and provincial assemblies will continue to function as usual; similarly, the prime minister and federal cabinet and all chief ministers of the provinces will continue to function.
Porn should be kept away from Republicans.
David Ehrenstein
We sure are crazy over that stuff.
Hey Gomez,
I'm naked and the locksmith's here!
Vicki, Who ♥ Al Gore
*cues porn guitar music*
Nice going, Shrub; Pervy turned out to be the dictator people said he would.
I'm naked and the locksmith's here!
Problem with your tumblers?
I've been gone for a day and when I come back you people are talking about smut.
steve simels | Homepage | 11.03.07 - 10:51 am
The absence of parental supervision
Has brought about behavioral elision.
I fear that what is usually a tight house
Begins to look a little like the White House.
"It really doesn't matter all that much what peoples' genitals are rubbing against"
well I beg to differ in the case of Shrub it has made a big difference to the rest of us.
And what about Tweety?
I don't think this early exposure to porn hurt us in any way.
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12 is not early. Tribal folk "married" off by 13 at the onset of puberty. The modern kid is a kid until the college degree is on the wall. We are genetically prepared for fucking ASAP.
How do you say that in Norwegian?
spinoza, non ridere, non luger
I studied the English version in English class so I don't know.
How about that American Gangster , simels?
And what about Tweety?
That's not genital rubbing, that's a cloacal kiss.
Censorship may not be a viable or appropriate solution, but do any of us honestly believe that the ready availability of internet porn is not destroying something sacred within us?
Something sacred in us?
I think I'm going to be sick.
wacka-wow, wacka-wacka wow-wow, Vicki!
Porn should be kept away from Republicans.
David Ehrenstein
It wouldn't stop Ron Jeremy....
The locksmith is duplicating my keyhole! It's such a tighhhhhhhht fit!
Oooooooooohhhhhhhh Ahhhhhhhhhhh.
Pakistan
ISLAMABAD: Chief of Army Staff General Pervez Musharraf has imposed emergency in the country and issued new Provisional Constitutional Order (PCO) and Chief Justice Iftikhar Mohammed Chaudhry has been removed from his office
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Bummer. I blame Bush.
The wingnuts claim to be all prim and stoical
When in reality their acts are cloacal.
Vicki, how dare you fake an orgasm on a blog!
Censorship may not be a viable or appropriate solution, but do any of us honestly believe that the ready availability of this Gutenberg print is not destroying something sacred within us?
-circa 1450 blog comment
Time for the Victorian era to end in the US. It really doesn't matter all that much what peoples' genitals are rubbing against.
America! Grow the fuck up about sex. Because if you hurt yourself, I will laugh.
Truth be told, my front door lock is stripped. Since I've never had a front door key, the guy's replacing the old lock with a new lock, and he's matching it to the back door key.
So one key gets us into both entrances.
$ 100.
I can dig it.
Oh, great! Another idea for Chimpy and Darth. Suspend the Constitution.
Oh, right. He has been doing that a little at a time.
Pakistan breaking news website
http://thenews.jang.com.pk/
There are increasing indications that Benazir was in on the whole thing.
So one key gets us into both entrances.
SPROING!!!
Geez, anyone thinking about leaving the dark side and walking into the light: this is about as cheap as I have seen.
(And yes, the above was snark! PC forever, But this price on a G4 is amazing)
http://www.geeks.com/details.asp..._-A1002-WHT-
12B
Steve's Movie Reviews:
AMERICAN GANGSTER.
Denzel really good, Russell Crowe an unconvincing Jewish guy. Seriously, excellent film with terrific early 70s NYC period detail.
BEE MOVIE.
Truly, we are living in the Golden Age of Kids Movies Featuring CGI Anthropomorphic Critters.
So one key gets us into both entrances.
More porn!
The Virgin Ironpants returns to Pakistan.
And, that G4 is Leopard-doable, too!
Time for the Victorian era to end in the US
Bwahahahahahaha. Oh, that's rich.
Bush and his masters did that shit on purpose ... they plan on doing the same thing to Pakistan that they did to Iraq ... They embraced Saddam ... took him into the fold made his a Iraqi strongman and when the time came they murdered him and took his shit ... They have increased the size of Pakistan's nuclear capabilities and shown support of the unelected government and it'll be any day now when they annouce the necessity to invade to keep the peace.
Is Bhuto still in Dubai?
I don't really have a problem with him referring to "something sacred within us". For a lot of people there is a difference between sacred space and profane.
I just don't like that he imposes his notion on all of us. Some people experience life as compartmentalized, others don't.
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Written in 1929, by Julian Tuwim.
When plastered billboards scream with slogans
'fight for your country, go to battle'
When media's print assaults your senses,
'Support our leaders' shrieks and rattles…
And fools who don't know any better
Believe the old, eternal lie
That we must march and shoot and kill
Murder, and burn, and bomb, and grill…
(In three parts)
I don't think this early exposure to porn hurt us in any way.
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12 is not early. Tribal folk "married" off by 13 at the onset of puberty. The modern kid is a kid until the college degree is on the wall. We are genetically prepared for fucking ASAP.
Nancy Willing | 11.03.07 - 10:53 am | #
Well, yeah, I forgot my scare quotes around early. The whole point is that kids are interested in sex MUCH earlier than their parents want to acknowledge. The puritanical American response is to scold adolescents for possessing porn, or to tell them silly lies like masturbating will make you go blind. Taken to extremes, you get Gennarlow Wilson locked up for eating out his girlfriend. Granted, there's a racist element to it, but the whole thing is rooted in sexual repression. It's just silly as far as I'm concerned.
The impotence drug ads are perhaps the most prominent placements in our culture of images of adults finding each other sexy in a gentle, mutual, non-exploitative context. And all to sell drugs.
When press begins the battle-cry
That nation needs to unify
And for your country you must die…
Dear brainwashed friend, my neighbor dear
Brother from this, or other nation
Know that the cries of anger, fear,
Are nothing but manipulation
by fat-cats, kings who covet riches,
And feed off your sweat and blood - the leeches!
When call to arms engulfs the land
It means that somewhere oil was found,
Shooting 'blackgold' from underground!
It means they found a sneaky way
To make more money, grab more gold
But this is not what you are told!
Don't spill your blood for bucks or oil
Break, burn your rifle, shout: 'NO DEAL!'
Let the rich scoundrels, kings, and bankers
Send their own children to get killed!
May your loud voice be amplified
By roar of other common men
The battle-weary of all nations:
WE WON'T BE CONNED TO WAR AGAIN!
There is nothing sacred within me. Just a temporary and possibly unique combination of molecules and electrical impulses.
Over at his piece of shit blog, the Austin Dog Burner(TM) is talking about YOU!!!
In dwelling on their unquestionable fetishes for talking about torture and all the Constitution-trampling and Reichstag-burnings going on in Amerikkka, the anti-American Left cannot meet the demands of the rhetoric because they have already shot their wad —morally, logically, and linguistically. They cannot top themselves. They cannot plausibly out-Nixon Nixon with Bush —but damned if John Dean won’t try! After all, Americans have long been taught that Nixon is the epitome and definition of the super-corrupt warmonger and Imperial President. I can’t imagine how this sell-out could have found himself trying to rehabilitate Nixon by comparison. Nixon must now no longer be the ”war criminal” he always has been to the Democrats because, fancifully, Bush the Younger is an even worse one.
These Leftists fall into such rhetorical outhouses because they have too little character to drop the cudgels they wrongly believe have gotten them this far. These issues they fetishize —Valerie Ghraib, Abu Plame, Gitmo, “warrantless wiretaps” — are only fundraising and propaganda tools. That needs to be understood absolutely. These filthy cowards will smear anybody with any lie they can think of if they have some partisan advantage to gain from it. They believe they won 2006 that way —and they think they’ve got the Bush Administration saddled with the worst reputation in the history of this country. But just look at what they’re doing! They’re losing in both houses of the Congress to someone they say is a war criminal! These heroes of the Mandate of 2006 must be wretched liars to persist with their worthless condemnations if they can’t even defeat Bush.
Never mind that other Presidents besides Bush have authorized torture and rendition and whatever else. There’re elections and headlines and taxpayers’ money to be won! These historically ignorant hypocrites on the anti-Bush Left have got a lot of extra [outrage] and [dissent] and [moral revulsion] to burn, but don’t go without pants just yet, folks! The truth will hunt you down.
Our country is, in fact, becoming burdened by a Leftist element that believes in nothing but hatred, contrarianism, anarchy, and degeneracy. Every now and then, someone like John Dean will come along and whore himself out to that sentiment because he’s doing penance. But the people at that end of the spectrum don’t really believe in what America stands for. They just want to tear things down and spread ignorance.
Way to add to the dialogue, Tobes...
Is Bhuto still in Dubai?
Zap Rowsdower
Yes. Her husband "Mr 10 percent" sez she's on the way back to Pakistan but (a) it's not clear if such a plane could land and (b) it could be stunt to camouflage that she agreed ahead of time with Mooshy to be out of the country when he imposed emergency rule.
Russell Crowe an unconvincing Jewish guy
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I wonder how many Jews live in Austrailia.
The impotence drug ads are perhaps the most prominent placements in our culture of images of adults finding each other sexy in a gentle, mutual, non-exploitative context. And all to sell drugs.
These commecials make me nauseous, also.
Don't spill your blood for bucks or oil
Break, burn your rifle, shout: 'NO DEAL!'
Let the rich scoundrels, kings, and bankers
Send their own children to get killed!
May your loud voice be amplified
By roar of other common men
The battle-weary of all nations:
WE WON'T BE CONNED TO WAR AGAIN!
Except for Schumer and Feinstein.
nothing about Pakistan on cnn, just more anchor-bot happy talk.
Good morning, kids! Saw this over at TV Newser, thought I"d share:
At The End Of Tucker...
Tonight, as he was signing off, MSNBC's Tucker Carlson closed by saying, "That does it for us. Thank you for watching as always, we mean that sincerely to all eight of you. We'll be back Monday. Up next, "Hardball" with Chris Matthews. Have a great weekend."
A TVNewser tipster tells us "MSNBC management [is] infuriated" at Tucker's flippant sign-off.
And Tucker underestimates his viewership by a factor of 10,000. His 10-day average in the A25-54 demo is 80,000. He finished in third on seven of those days, and fourth, behind Headline News, on three days.
One more note: on Monday Tucker has a new 6pmET competitor: the third hour of the Situation Room with Wolf Blitzer on CNN moves back an hour from 7pm to 6pm.
Newsweek: Clinton 43%, Obama 24%, Edwards 12% in post-debate poll
Just announced on MSNBC.
it could be stunt to camouflage that she agreed ahead of time with Mooshy to be out of the country when he imposed emergency rule.
That's what I was thinking.
JMJ
or to tell them silly lies like masturbating will make you go blind.
Well, I can assure you that it will indeed make your eyesight bad. And if you keep it up you will go blind. Just look at all of the republicans wearing glasses.
/check your palms for hair!
I'm looking at "The Scorecard" for Thursday ... what is "The Noose"?
http://www.mediabistro.com/
tvnew...ov_1__70293.asp
Remember when Bush said holding 3 jobs is "uniquely American"?
Is it also uniquely American when a young mother dies in a car crash because of lack of sleep due to working all those jobs?
http://www.newsobserver.com/news...ory/
759211.html
Thomas Goldsmith, Staff Writer
CLAYTON - Jammi Lynn Toy had finished work, dropped her boys off at school Friday morning and was taking her girls to day care when the family's compact SUV drifted over the center line of N.C. 42 in Johnston County.
Within seconds, Toy's Mazda Tribute had sideswiped an oncoming dump truck in a collision that caused her death and sent twin daughters Abigail and Autumn crawling from the family's crushed vehicle, state Trooper Tommy Emory said.
Toy, 29, of Johnston County, may have been sleepy at the time of the crash at about 8:45 a.m., Emory said. She had been working both as a manager at a Blockbuster movie rental store and as an independent contractor delivering papers for The News & Observer.
Mooshy is rounding up the top lawyers in the country. They led the previous protest when he tried to remove the Chief Justice before.
There is nothing sacred within me. Just a temporary and possibly unique combination of molecules and electrical impulses.
And, Dood, those molecules and electricical impulses are sacred.
oh, good morning.
woke up to that story in the local rag.
I'm tired of being angry all the time.
Our country is, in fact, becoming burdened by a Leftist element that believes in nothing but hatred, contrarianism, anarchy, and degeneracy. Every now and then, someone like John Dean will come along and whore himself out to that sentiment because he’s doing penance. But the people at that end of the spectrum don’t really believe in what America stands for. They just want to tear things down and spread ignorance.
Replace a few names here and there, and Toby's making the same argument that countless jackasses have been making for decades.
His historical revisionism really needs some work...
Okay, here's the deal.
Erotica is what turns ME on.
Pornography is what turns YOU on.
You ought to be ashamed of yourself...
Tonight, as he was signing off, MSNBC's Tucker Carlson closed by saying, "That does it for us. Thank you for watching as always, we mean that sincerely to all eight of you. We'll be back Monday. Up next, "Hardball" with Chris Matthews. Have a great weekend."
He has a TV show? Someone thought it would be smart to film Tucker Carlson?
Freaky.
Why should I read something Toby wrote about America and the left?
I'd rather see people doing the dirty Sanchez...
Victorian era to end?
Try, time for the Middle Ages to end.
Newsweek: Clinton 43%, Obama 24%, Edwards 12% in post-debate poll
And Pew has her ahead of Julie Annie on a national basis by well over 5 points. Heh.
Mooshy is rounding up the top lawyers in the country. They led the previous protest when he tried to remove the Chief Justice before.
P O'Neill
I can at least empathise with his rounding up the lawyers, Scoundrels.
Just a little more, and then I'll shut up about it:
"The family was telling me that she had worked the last few nights," Emory said. "I'm not sure if she was getting enough sleep."
Family members declined an interview request via a spokeswoman at WakeMed in Raleigh, where they gathered to check on the twins. The girls, 4, were listed in good condition at the hospital Friday. The director of their day care said the twins got the best possible care from their mother.
"She was a fantastic mom," said Lisa Kyes, director of Building Blocks Child Care and Development Center in Clayton. "The girls are identical twins, and they were always dressed so cute. They were a happy family, and they are going to be devastated."
In addition to the twins, Toy is survived by her husband, Thomas, and sons Evyn, 6, and Christopher, 8, Kyes said. Jammi Lynn Toy had worked with The News & Observer for about 18 months, delivering papers for sale in racks and businesses, circulation department officials said.
What is wrong with this country?
The most strident worry about "exploitation" of porn workers tends to come from people who aren't either producers or consumers of porn. Because they would never do it, they assume that anyone who would must be under some sort of nefarious control.
Make no mistake: porn consumers are marks, and porn producers are the exploiters.
I have friends who like strip clubs and used to needle me to go with them. It was never fun for me, because it was obvious that the women were laughing at the rubes in the audience on the inside. The men are just suckers who are easily played to part with some money. Filmed porn just mass markets this same approach to a wider audience and gets the money faster.
It's amazing to me to see how geriatric O'Reilly's audience is. My god, 551 in the 25-54 age demo, and 2754 in total viewers. That must mean nearlly all of his audience is either drooling into their oatmeal or so senile they think they're watching a movie from 1937.
He has a TV show? Someone thought it would be smart to film Tucker Carlson?
I passed him on the street this week. In person, he looks even more like somone who just desperately needs a sock in the nose.
Incidentally, a thread about porn should not contain references to Tucker Carlson.
I mean, please.
Way to add to the dialogue, Tobes...
Seems as if Tobes is confusing the Left and the right.
simels I'm going to tape that Tom Petty doc for you if nobody else has.
but the whole thing is rooted in sexual repression. It's just silly as far as I'm concerned.
Barbarism Begins
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yup, totally agree. I'd still kick out a butt sniffer out of my fort!
Habeas corpus, from which the Bushists are in retreat, dates from 1215.
Lots of torrid man-goat action back then, I'd bet...
Mooshy is rounding up the top lawyers in the country. They led the previous protest when he tried to remove the Chief Justice before.
P O'Neill
I can at least empathise with his rounding up the lawyers, Scoundrels.
Bite me. You do know the context for, "First thing we'll do, let's kill all the lawyers," right?
This thread is now being investigated by "Law & Order: SVU"
What is wrong with this country?
TJ, outraged
You already know, don't you?
Want to join me in my rational depression? It is not much fun but it is totally and wholly justified.
You know, maybe if I get certified as an invalid person I might just fucking leave. My wife said the very best thing about traveling in Spain and Portugal was that she NEVER was assaulted by FEAR or the thoughts of war and killing. THAT has to be worth something.
Except for Schumer and Feinstein.
Kid Charlemagne | 11.03.07 - 11:03 am | #
As Rachel Maddow (heavy sigh!) said last night --
IF Mukasey is confirmed, we can no longer blame George Bush and the Republicans. If Mukasey is confirmed, it's because of Schumer and Feinstein.
What a fucking disgrace.
Seriously -- why the hell are the Dems giving Bush ANYTHING, let alone this?
It boggles the fucking mind...
Why did Tim "Hogfat" Russert and Brian "Weiner" Williams prompt Obama and Edwards to attack Hillary?
They should lose their jobs for this unprofessional behavior.
He should hope I never pass him in the street. I might just indulge.
He got a friend of mine fired, just to be a dick, by using his 'fame' and crying 'victim' because my friend blogged about seeing him in public.
Ass Wipe.
HE= Tucker
I really don't see a conspiracy between Mooshy and Bhutto to be at all likely. Far more likely is that Moohy is trying to forestall the US efforts to replace him with Bhutto. Not that this desperate attempt to save his regime is going to work in the long run. He's just made it all the more easy for himself to be painted as an enemy of liberty, ripe for removal.
Me, I don't much like either of them.
Make no mistake: porn consumers are marks, and porn producers are the exploiters.
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I do worry about the teen-aged girls getting boob jobs. No common sense there with all of the potential health risks involved.
Habeas corpus, from which the Bushists are in retreat, dates from 1215.
Lots of torrid man-goat action back then, I'd bet...
There was that incunabulum, the Magna Goatus.
It boggles the fucking mind...
steve simels
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one word - Israelis
Make no mistake: porn consumers are marks, and porn producers are the exploiters.
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I do worry about the teen-aged girls getting boob jobs. No common sense there with all of the potential health risks involved.
Nancy Willing
There are some indications that now young women also feel the need to wax or shave their genitals. As if women need another hang up about physical appearance and grooming.
Seriously -- why the hell are the Dems giving Bush ANYTHING, let alone this?
Yep. No more judges, no more cabine appointees. And defund the office of the VP down to giving him a telephone so he can be called if Bush goes tits up.
Later, 'bats.
I am off on a glorious Michigan fall day to the Farmers' Market to buy lots of apples and squash and other fall vegetables. We are going to celebrate Youngest DWD's birthday with my family tonight. He has chosen a university and on Tuesday he and his friends are visiting to reserve their apartment for next year: he is excited.
The sun is shining gloriously and there is sufficient color left in the trees to magnify the light by a factor of ten. I will do my best to NOT think of the fucking mess the assholes have made of this world.
Keep 'em flyin'
Censorship may not be a viable or appropriate solution, but do any of us honestly believe that the ready availability of internet porn is not destroying something sacred within us?
Yes, sex=bad.
A "liberal" said this?
Jesus Christ.
one word - Israelis
Nancy Willing | 11.03.07 - 11:15 am | #
I'm not sure I understand the relevance to Mukasey's nomination.
And I'm not sanguine about where this might be going....
There are some indications that now young women also feel the need to wax or shave their genitals. As if women need another hang up about physical appearance and grooming.
Jennifer
That's because of all the talk about "getting rid of Bush."
What is this "sex" to which you refer?
And I'm not sanguine about where this might be going....
I am positively bilish.
Pretty impressive shot on the NASA channel if you have it.
Pretty impressive shot on the NASA channel if you have it.
Is it a money shot?
And, Dood, those molecules and electricical impulses are sacred.
Hecate, Runnymeade Conspirator
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Pretty impressive shot on the NASA channel if you have it.
attaturk
Money shot?
damn you spinoza!
have a coke and a smile.
There are some indications that now young women also feel the need to wax or shave their genitals. As if women need another hang up about physical appearance and grooming.
Some women find it erotic. People should try what they want to try, and if it works for them, who are we to judge?
It's funny how many people in this comment thread are talking about porn in the context of "sexuality" only without ever mentioning $$$.
Porn is about sexuality like slavery is about getting the laundry done.
Instead it's about men making men money. Lots of money.
And for every Jenna Jameson there are an unknown number of women/girls, many of whom come from homes where they were subjected to sexual violence, who continue to be psychologically abused and exploited so purchasers of porn can get off without the nettlesome requirements of real human interaction and real sexuality.
As well, with sexual slavery rampant around the world, and often lax enforcement even here in the US, how can anyone be sure that the porn they're watching doesn't involve someone who is being forced or compelled to do something they don't want to do on threat of pain or death? After all, no one regulates the porn industry but itself.
Disregarding that, I'm sure everyone here defending porn only watches the variety that shows women as having dignified, life-affirming control over the sexual scenarios the porn presents and the acts they entail. Right?
Commenter Jennifer is right. What kind of message does almost all of contemporary porn present to young women who are forming their sexual identity? That DP, gang bangs, double anal, etc is all expected sexual behavior. That they are to participate in acts which they find frightening or degrading lest they be scolded by Atrios for having "weird hangups about sex" -- who, given his sensitivity and penetrating(!) insight on many subjects, sounds remarkably obtuse on this one.
Here's a challenge for the male defenders of pornography present: show your partner (or potential partner) every last frame of the pornography you're watching and jacking off to lately. Better yet, have your partner watch you do it. Is she still there? Then suggest she try some of the acts depicted. No? Why not? Aren't you both "liberated" enough?
Wake up liberals: the pornography industry does not offer "liberation" in any authentic sense. What it typically sells is a demonstrably increasing debased and debasing downward spiral of compulsive sexual pleasure in exchange for money.
And feeling "liberated" at the expense of someone else's potential exploitation and degradation smells like Neocon bullshit to me.
I'm not sure I understand the relevance to Mukasey's nomination.
And I'm not sanguine about where this might be going....
steve simels
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someone on CSPAN this morning said as much and it sounded reasonable to me.
simels?
Tom Petty?
Do you still want it?
There are some indications that now young women also feel the need to wax or shave their genitals. As if women need another hang up about physical appearance and grooming.
I started to tell a story related to this, but then I thought better of it.
DWD - Rationally Depressed -- Have a wonderful day. I have such great memories of family drives up to the fruit stands along the lake in the fall.
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Based on what I've read on a couple of different blogs by people who do porn, the industry seems to be getting steadily more exploitative as porn becomes more and more ubiquitous. At least for those men lucky enough to have been born with monstrous penises, the abiltiy to get it up on demand, and passable looks, it can be a steady job. But for the large majority of the women involved, a career in porn lasts a few months and doesn't really pay all that much anymore. And then they've still got it following them around. It doesn't seem like a particularly great deal to me. The Nina Hartleys and Jenna Jamesons of the industry, who have money coming out their well-traveled wazoos, are very much the exception rather than the rule.
Instead it's about men making men money. Lots of money.
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I don't know, Tracey Lord made one shitload of dough.
Gobble gobble gobble!
At least for those men lucky enough to have been born with monstrous penises, the abiltiy to get it up on demand, and passable looks, it can be a steady job.
It's a living.
Wake up liberals: the pornography industry does not offer "liberation" in any authentic sense. What it typically sells is a demonstrably increasing debased and debasing downward spiral of compulsive sexual pleasure in exchange for money.
Thanks for reading the entire thread, jackass.
Do you still want it?
HoneyBearKelly | Homepage | 11.03.07 - 11:21 am | #
If it's no trouble....
Thanks, kiddo....
And, Dood, those molecules and electricical impulses are sacred.
Hecate, Runnymeade Conspirator
OK. I'll buy that perhaps. A comforting thought on a rainy and blustery Saturday morning.
I started to tell a story related to this, but then I thought better of it.
I'll take "Wax and Wane" for $200 Alex.
What it typically sells is a demonstrably increasing debased and debasing downward spiral of compulsive sexual pleasure in exchange for money.
I think you've just described the war in Iraq from the perspective of the Bush crime syndicate.
Gee, Jamie Gillis, should I tell my husband to toss his entire collection of classic Playboys?
No trouble at all since I discovered how to use the vhs machine with my cable box.
I'll try to put some other stuff on it as well.
It's an 8 hour tape.
Some women find it erotic. People should try what they want to try, and if it works for them, who are we to judge?
What? The actual act itself of removing the hair? Or they feel more erotic after it's gone? Or they find sex more erotic without it?
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QUACK
God put too many nerve endings in our genitals. And then he went and made breastesses. What did He expect?
if any of them porn actresses have a fetish it could be they are getting what they want for nothin' and that's not fair if the rest of us have to pay
those cheapskates!
I just come to this blog for the pr0n.
I used to work for an internet porn company. I was just doing IT, I hasten to add.
It was pretty damn sordid. Most of the women were also streetwalkers. For them it was just another way to fund their habits. Maybe some porn businesses are better but this company was exploitation of vulnerable women by wealthy men, pure and simple.
I lasted about a month there, before my concience kicked in.
The Many Loves of Jamie Gillis
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er, I was a major prude into my late twenties.
Not participating is a choice people make. BE STRONG! Grow your younguns a backbone and some confidence to go only as far as they are comfortable going.
Pr0n
http://www.dianarussell.com/porntoc.html
.Commenter Jennifer is right. What kind of message does almost all of contemporary porn present to young women who are forming their sexual identity? That DP, gang bangs, double anal, etc is all expected sexual behavior. That they are to participate in acts which they find frightening or degrading lest they be scolded by Atrios for having "weird hangups about sex"
If the male consumers of porn felt they had any realistic expectation that their girlfriends were ever going to be willing to do those things, then I'd guess a lot of the market for porn would just evaporate. The point of it is that it is a means for those men to indulge said unlikely fantasies.
Just sent Schumer a pithy e-mail about Mukasey, for what it's worth.
I love being lectured on porn.
Honest to fucking god, sometimes A THREAD IS JUST A THREAD.
Thanks for reading the entire thread, jackass.
heh...heh...heh...
I really love to get preached at by the moralists.
ProfWombat, Monsieur thinks I need a day off.
Since he's sick, Mlle is exhausted, and the baby needs supervision, my only shot is a virtual day off.
I could use some cider doughnuts...
Yes!
You've heard of beer can chicken, of course. Have you ever heard of beer box kitteh?
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OMG. This Pakistan shit is going to be serious.
♥ ♥ ♥ ♥ ♥ Sallyh! ♥ ♥ ♥ ♥ ♥
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Honest to fucking god, sometimes A THREAD IS JUST A THREAD.
Word. And sometimes double anal is just double anal. Honestly, some people need to get a grip.
So to speak.
Hey Vicki -
Wine, beer, water, soda?
Not all male consumers of porn are heterosexual, or unadventurous, pipple.
The leader of the opposition in Pakistan, Aitaz Ahsan, has been detained.
I really love to get preached at by the moralists.
billy b
Not moralists. Radical Marxist feminists of the anti-pr0n school maybe.
God, Atrios is to be lauded for regurgitating the usual tired TIRED liberal take on pornography (and I'm lifelong liberal myself).
Try having a two year old in modern American, then maybe, just maybe you'll devote a little more time to deciding if the vast amounts of hardcore pornography saturating the internet and readily available to minors (I can't control what my kid will see over at their friends house)---- maybe you'll come up with a slightly more original thought than the solution to the problem being for America to loosen up and hop in the jacuzzi with the rest of the bathrobe and lotion crowd.
I am so @#$T#$^ tired of hearing this mindless dreck. I guess that makes me another uptight eminent Victorian.
Cat-box Chicken?
Jeffraham, the Boys look wonderful, happy, healthy, and endlessly entertaining
The way to stop the exploitation of farm workers isn't to outlaw farming.
Sinfonian: Word. And sometimes double anal is just double anal. Honestly, some people need to get a grip.
I'm trying to get a grip on "double anal." Is there where two assholes have sex?
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It really doesn't matter all that much what peoples' genitals are rubbing against.
Oh thank God! I can keep my cheese grater.
What is the stuff they shown on skin-amax? Is that considered soft core? What I've caught of it made me LOL. Otherwise, I oddly have no interest in the hard stuff--sort of seems skeevy to me. But I have no problem letting other people see what they want, as long as it doesn't involve children.
OMG. This Pakistan shit is going to be serious.
Gomez
No worries. Dumbya is on the Chimpophone as we speak.
I could use some cider doughnuts...
Sallyh, Grandmere Poissonniere
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I can deliver! There is an orchard a few minutes away over in Maryland that sell the best homemade cider doughnuts evah.
Aitzaz Ahsan even. sorry, typing off scrolling breaking news banners on BBC 24.
Try having a two year old in modern American
No -- you try it; I made a conscious decision not to.
Not moralists. Radical Marxist feminists of the anti-pr0n school maybe.
I lump them all together.
OMG. This Pakistan shit is going to be serious.
Gomez
It really doesn't look good. Especially now that Karen Hughes has retired.
Oh thank God! I can keep my cheese grater.
I'm Hungry
Yes, but remember that in Texas, they're called "dairy modification devices."
Amur, fuck off.
For your information, I have a toddler in the house. Network TV is saturated with commercials for sugary treats and toys they don't need. Why don't you fucking start there?
And then get lost.
Pakistan: All senior judges have refused to take the oath under the new provisional constitution.
I'm trying to get a grip on "double anal." Is there where two assholes have sex?
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Jeffraham Prestonian
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double dick dildo
I've never heard of cider doughnuts. I swear, it's like I live on a different food planet than most of y'all!
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Well yes, JP; if you must know (double-headed dildo, that kind of thing).
Jeffraham, east coast autumn treat. Warm, with a dusting of cinnamon, sold in large quantities, they're the only doughnuts I'll eat.
Most of the women were also streetwalkers. For them it was just another way to fund their habits. Maybe some porn businesses are better but this company was exploitation of vulnerable women by wealthy men, pure and simple.
Yes, and I honestly have no idea about how I can effect change in that kind of environment.
Anecdotal: I was at my bud's restaurant the other night and one of the local crack whores (we know who they are, sadly) approached me for me. She said that she needed food. I offered to buy her a sandwich from the restaurant and she refused and took off.
Point being: you can't change someone else's addiction. The desire to change comes from within, and only from within.
Try having a two year old in modern American, then maybe, just maybe you'll devote a little more time to deciding if the vast amounts of hardcore pornography saturating the internet and readily available to minors (I can't control what my kid will see over at their friends house)
Uptight, much?
I have children.
Stop preaching at us.
it would be nice if people didn't tell others to fuck off
No worries. Dumbya is on the Chimpophone as we speak.
He and Cheney are about to go down the chimp-poles to jump in the chimpmobile.
No worries. Dumbya is on the Chimpophone as we speak.
He and Cheney are about to go down the chimp-poles to jump in the chimpmobile.
Is it possible that someone's playing a steel drum outside the condo? That would be different!
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Try having a two year old in modern America
I have a 2yo daughter. And I'm fairly confident in my ability to teach her right from wrong, and that I can do the same for my 8yo son.
Porn is always going to be out there. So are crime, guns, gangsta rap, and old Bee Gees records, and Dick Cheney.
I realized early on that I couldn't protect my kids against everything, and that I can't hermetically seal them. At some point, I've got to rely on my ability to teach them to protect themselves.
I am so @#$T#$^ tired of hearing this mindless dreck. I guess that makes me another uptight eminent Victorian.
Why, yes. Yes, it does.
Where did someone come up with a steel drum here in 37209?
BIZARRE.
.
JP is your job sitch really bad?
Hope everything works out well.
Sinfonian, no, we can't protect living beings from life itself.
We just try to keep the obvious hazards from harming them.
No confirmed word that Benazir actually got on flight from Dubai to Karachi.
To open a stylin' Caribbean Restaurant, with Jerk Chicken and stuff?
Everyone knows the prevalence of pornography and debauchery did not contribute to the decline and fall of the Roman empire. It was the lead in the *marital aids* of the day.
Porn is always going to be out there. So are crime, guns, gangsta rap, and old Bee Gees records, and Dick Cheney.
Crap! I forgot about old Bee Gees records!
Thanks. Now I've gotta buy a whole new string of worry beads.
Well, I can go to three different stores to round up breakfast goodies, or I can go to Crack'ho Barrel.
Guess which option I will choose...
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Anecdotal: I was at my bud's restaurant the other night and one of the local crack whores (we know who they are, sadly) approached me for me. She said that she needed food. I offered to buy her a sandwich from the restaurant and she refused and took off.
*
I watched Jungle Fever last night for the first time. Crack is whack.
I am so @#$T#$^ tired of hearing this mindless dreck. I guess that makes me another uptight eminent Victorian.
Amur
alot of us have parented alot of two year olds ... no that's not the difference the difference is that we other parents of two year olds aren't sweating bullets in comment sections only to lock ourselves later in the closet with our nylons and teddies and pink princess phones
RMJ, are you saying you own the original soundtrack to Saturday Night Fever?
Try having a two year old in modern American
No -- you try it; I made a conscious decision not to.
We thank the good lord every day that you made that concious decision.
I watched Jungle Fever last night for the first time. Crack is whack.
Nancy Willing
Halle Berry as a crack ho!
RMJ, are you saying you own the original soundtrack to Saturday Night Fever?
Sallyh, Grandmere Poissonniere
Much older than that.
You obviously forget just how old I am.
HoneyBearKelly: JP is your job sitch really bad?
Hope everything works out well.
I dunno, really. It was ugly, but it may not be a hangin' offense.
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I am so @#$T#$^ tired of hearing this mindless dreck. I guess that makes me another uptight eminent Victorian.
Amur | 11.03.07 - 11:30 am | #
No, just another concern troll prig.
Try having a two year old in modern American, then maybe, just maybe you'll devote a little more time to deciding if the vast amounts of hardcore pornography saturating the internet and readily available to minors
I raised a kid during the internet age. We never had a lick of trouble with Internet porn. Wanna know why? Because I've always been honest about things with my child. The good, the bad, and the ugly. It's called proactive parenting. Stop with the fear and start finding solutions for what scares you. If you're vigilant, there are plenty of ways to keep your child away from porn and predators.
Disclaimer: I HATE PRUDES.
RMJ, are you saying you own the original soundtrack to Saturday Night Fever?
Sallyh, Grandmere Poissonniere
I did in high school and played it constantly. Great album. No mocking!
it would be nice if people didn't tell others to fuck off
moi
Nice, perhaps, but, at times, impractical.
And then get lost.
Sallyh
I think you need a few {{{{{{{{{{{hugs}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}
I was very strict on my kids teevee viewing and movies when they were little. They never even knew Saturday morning cartoons existed until they were old enough to sleep at someone else's house. I dare say they were exposed to porn at some point. I would have preferred not, but yannow, they survived.
RMJ, dear, you're six months older than me.
So yes, I do know how old you are
Much older than that.
You obviously forget just how old I am.
Rmj, For all the Souls
RMJ is so old that he remembers when Saturday Night Fever was just a tickle in the throat.
One of the many wildcards in Pakistan is at what point does India decide that who's in control of the nukes can't be determined?
We thank the good lord every day that you made that concious decision.
So do I, with physically and emotionally abusive parents, the outlook wasn't good. And don't quit your day job for comedy.
RMJ, and besides, in the immortal words of Indiana Jones, it's not the years, it's the mileage
RMJ, dear, you're six months older than me.
So yes, I do know how old you are
Sallyh, Grandmere Poissonniere
But you are young and toujours gai (quoting Mehitabel, not NTodd).
I was born 20 years older than I am.
Try having a two year old in modern American, then maybe, just maybe you'll devote a little more time to deciding if the vast amounts of hardcore pornography saturating the internet and readily available to minors
What the fuck is your two year old surfing the internet for?
Mooshy is supposed to be making a TV speech at some point soon. That's going to compete with a Chimpy press conference for how much magical thinking, , bizarre reasoning, hypocrisy, and lying you can squeeze into a halfhour.
They never even knew Saturday morning cartoons existed
Ouch. That hurts.
RMJ, and besides, in the immortal words of Indiana Jones, it's not the years, it's the mileage
Sallyh, Grandmere Poissonniere
I'm long overdue for an overhaul.
RMJ is so old that he remembers when Saturday Night Fever was just a tickle in the throat.
Sinfonian, in Jeopardy
Back when all doctors could do was prescribe Vick's Vapo-Rub.
Crap! I forgot about old Bee Gees records!
It's only words and words are all I have...
Zap, I'll confess that the toddler surfs the Web.
Her favorite porn site is sesamestreet.com
Gramma would like an Elmo free day...someday
Everyone knows the prevalence of pornography and debauchery did not contribute to the decline and fall of the Roman empire. It was the lead in the *marital aids* of the day.
my guess would be that it was the hypocrasy
While the Roman's were liking their sugar as sweet as could be they were going around slaughtering other groups and civilizations and justifying it on moral grounds
What the fuck is your two year old surfing the internet for?
Zap Rowsdower
Not to mention: how do they manage it?
Rmj: I'm long overdue for an overhaul.
I could do with an oral change, m'sef.
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I don't really think that miserable cracked-out streetwalking hos are very much the stock-in-trade of the current porn industry, at least not the one I was talking about. By and large, they are not sexy enough to make the grade. Mostly, it looks to me like your typical young suburban women who are dissatisfied with their prospects and want to see if they can get rich quick with mimimal effort. Usually they find out they can't.
I predict that the Chimp will denounce this by saying:
This agression will not stand, man.
I thought of a better one:
RMJ is so old that he remembers when Saturday Night Fever was treated with leeches.
While the Roman's were liking their sugar as sweet as could be they were going around slaughtering other groups and civilizations and justifying it on moral grounds
Bumpin' Uglies
The more things change ...
Actually, I raised my daughter in the age of Lewinsky (which I blame on Starr and the MSM, not Clinton). She was just old enough to understand the words on NPR every morning. That was fun. (Not!)
We didn't get the internet until years later. I figure she's already inoculated and besides, she'll have to take care of herself eventually; she might as well start now.
Wait a minute. RMJ may be old, but he's millenia younger than Simels, who was present at Adam's bris.
Waillllllll... I best get the hunger-stoppin' place.
bbl
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Rmj is so old, he remembers when simels was just a boy.
What the fuck is your two year old surfing the internet for?
That's a fair question.
,.
I think we should quit picking on RMJ for being old and direct such snark to Simels, where it belongs.
Vicki's Vapo Rub works
And soup is good food
Good thing Pakistan is not full of nukes with an unstable government, unlike the real enemy Iran.
Sallyh,
Obviously, that's different. The argument the clod was making was that the kid would just pick up a laptop and go straight to teh pr0n.
You and Maddie don't have to verify your ages on the Sesame Street site.
What the fuck is your two year old surfing the internet for?
Erotic binkies.
Zap, I'll confess that the toddler surfs the Web.
Her favorite porn site is sesamestreet.com
See?! Furries!!
Soup is an expensive way too eat too much salt.
NTodd, get over here and babysit.
Monsieur thinks I need a day off.
I won't make you clean up after anyone, either.
It was the lead in the *marital aids* of the day.
Hedda Gobbler
I heard it was lead in the pipes.
Soup is an expensive way too eat too much salt.
plantsman, areligious
No soup for you! One year!
Erotic binkies.
Now that's just sick.
Sinfonian owes me a tasty beverage, preferably one with a lot of alcohol in it.
On MSNBC Witt blows Buchanan, a big kiss.
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Lead pipes were the marital aids of the day.
Night School!
on saturday. craii.
Her favorite porn site is sesamestreet.com
Wow! Me, too!
Zap, best of all, sesamestreet.com doesn't require a credit card to enter
Yesterday was Buchanan's birthday.
I want to thank everybody for the fact that the "I'm so old" jokes aren't being made about me for a change...
Sinfonian owes me a tasty beverage, preferably one with a lot of alcohol in it.
Sallyh, Grandmere Poissonniere
One glass of alcohol, comin' up.
I wouldn't be so quick to denounce anyone with children who has concerns about porn as a prig or troll. There are legitimate reasons for concern, I think. As I've already said, I don't believe that censorship is the answer to those concerns, but it doesn't mean I don't have the concerns.
Let's cut some folks a break on this.
You know what's cool?
Discovering a savings account that you didn't know you had, and discovering that said account has $2,000 in it.
I don't know much about the current porn industry other than tidbits a couple of friends of mine from Los Angeles have told me.
I don't watch porn, it doesn't touch me in any emotional way. I am sorry for those who are victimized by the industry, but hell - at this point - I'm pretty anti-corporate regardless, and there really is very little I can do to effect change of any kind in the current porn environment.
It's not my pet cause. Too many other things in the US thanks to Bush for me to embrace this one.
And in keeping with what Atrios originally posted, if people in this country had a more liberal and tolerant attitude about sex, the porn industry might not have the stranglehold on certain viewer populations that it enjoys today.
I DID NOT LEAVE TWO BUDDIES FACE DOWN IN THE MUD IN NAM SO TWO YEAR OLDS CAN SURF THE NET FOR EROTIC BINKIES.
Wow-
My new gravatar just appeared.
Cool.
And strange.
I want to thank everybody for the fact that the "I'm so old" jokes aren't being made about me for a change...
We'll go back to making fun of your early dinner habits. 
One glass of alcohol, comin' up.
Just pour it in muh truck's tank, kay?
I think we should quit picking on RMJ for being old and direct such snark to Simels, where it belongs.
Sinfonian, in Jeopardy | Homepage | 11.03.07 - 11:44 am | #
I knew it was too good to be true....
Discovering a savings account that you didn't know you had, and discovering that said account has $2,000 in it.
Sinfonian runs Trebek's slush fund!
Dear Sallyh, Grandmere Poissonniere
Thanks for the random "fuck off." Obviously, you don't know who I am, what I do for a living, or even that I'm a human being. You seem to think I've magically appeared in cyberspace as your personal uptight straw man-- so fuck me indeed!
Again, thanks, I see that I've been useful in allowing you to pontificate about the perils of "sugary treats" advertised on television. Why that's the real danger facing my kids. All those frickin' twinkies--- why didn't I think of that?
Thanks again! Nice to have civil debate on the issues with a self-righteous cartoon Liberal like yourself!
You're right--- it's all about health food. I'll stop worrying about my kids first introduction to sex including the routine brutalization of women and instead ensure that the dark legions of Hostess and Dolly Madison are kept safely outside the perimeter. Why, it's Whole Foods now on for me!
Thanks again for enlightening me!
Hope I can someday be as sexually liberated and sugar free as you and the rest of the patchouli patrol!
In the meantime however, I'm content to sit here eating twinkies to take my mind off the pain of that icepack I've got taped to my naughty bits. Then off to my Opus Dei meeting.
Thanks again!
hello first amendment.
i dont care what people think about pron. it is speech.
i suppose states can limit it someways, but i really dont know how. for example a law saying no pron shops on this street should be illegal (its not) - but a law that says no shops on this street would be better.
alas. spitting into the wind.
Sinfonian runs Trebek's slush fund!
Zap Rowsdower
If only. He keeps his hush money in Canadian currency. Lucky ducky ...
I think I've decided it must be very easy to be a fundy woman: Shut off your brain, start going to those Christian dating web sites, and find someone to "take care" of you.
Unless, of course, your husband is found dead wearing two wetsuits and with a giant dildo stuck his butt.
My son is 5 years old and able to surf the web by himself, and I really don't worry about him seeing pornographic images. It's not like he's looking for it, and if he does happen upon something of that nature, I don't think seeing it would damage him nearly as much as seeing some of the ubiquitous violent images in our society might. As to him getting the wrong ideas about sex from seeing that sort of thing, I'm not worried about that at all. I don't feel any particular embarrassment about talking to him about that sort of stuff, so I will set him straight if it becomes necessary to do so. That's really all tat's required to prevent that sort of problem.
gomez, this isnt about vietnam!
Kroger's (and its analogues') "Private Selection" Brand has just been given the Good Housekeeping Seal on all its products.
Speaking of porn, a friend of mine once worked with world's schlubbiest porn star Ron Jeremy on some non-porn project.
He asked him about his specialty, which was/is, in case you don't know, being able to toot his own horn, if you know what I mean.
My friend asked him why would never do it (on camera at least) to completion.
Jeremy's answer:"Ooh, that would be gross."
Amur,
Make an argument, already.
Otherwise, follow Sallyh's advice.
amur, a big tent it is not. cheers.
Also speaking of porn, a woman friend of mine who was house sitting for me once fucked John Holmes on my couch.
True story...
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I'm sorry. Did you emit something? I couldn't hear you over the killfile.
Discovering a savings account that you didn't know you had, and discovering that said account has $2,000 in it.
We just refied. About 2 weeks after closing, I got a $1600 check in the mail for over paid escrow, which I promptly paid on one of my credit cards.
A week later, we got a letter from the mortgagers telling us our escrow will be short and they're increasing the payment $60 a month.
And so it goes.
Amur: If you're letting your 2 YO surf the internet and s/he's finding pr0n, there's something wrong with you.
Ever heard of something called "parental supervision"? I recommend it highly.
Sallyh has it right about the things that are influencing our kids in a more direct way than the mythical pr0n you're talking about. Sugary-sweet crap and junky toys--that's what little kids are being taught to buy. Not "Debbie Does Dallas".
Now skedaddle and let the real adults have a conversation.
I'm off to play the gender card and go grocery shopping.
Steve, why was she fucking JH and not you?
She'd have had a much nicer experience
Amur, get over yourself; you don't know anything about Sallyh, either.
gomez, this isnt about vietnam!
euphronius, Night School!
Um. Its kind of about Nam.
Thanks again!
Amur | 11.03.07 - 11:49 am | #
You're welcome.
But you're still a prig.
Think I'll nap for a bit.
moi,
What are you referring to?
btw Sibol Edmonds got a raw deal
Lead pipes were the marital aids of the day.
plantsman, areligious
And to think with all those zucchinnes lying around
Those Romans sure were fickle
amur, a big tent it is not. cheers.
::Rolls eyes::
Your A-List Blogger hates you.
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Who is this Amur you speak of?
Steve, why was she fucking JH and not you?
She'd have had a much nicer experience
Sallyh, Grandmere Poissonniere | 11.03.07 - 11:52 am | #
You're sweet.
I was in Europe at the time, though.
My point with Amur was that some things are more of a lure to a child than porn. Obviously, he wasn't capable of understanding that.
If that's his main worry about raising a kid, I feel sorry for him.
Thanks for the random "fuck off." Obviously, you don't know who I am, what I do for a living, or even that I'm a human being. You seem to think I've magically appeared in cyberspace as your personal uptight straw man-- so fuck me indeed!
You don't seem to have a lot of experience "on-line" do you? Google up some porn, jerk off, and you'll feel better, you fuckwit.
Your A-List Blogger hates you.
My new bumper sticker!
Thanks again! Nice to have civil debate on the issues with a self-righteous cartoon Liberal like yourself!
Wow. We like to get all puffed up, don't we?
Self-righteous?
heh...heh...heh...heh...heh...
Project much, bumps?
Also speaking of porn, a woman friend of mine who was house sitting for me once fucked John Holmes on my couch.
True story...
steve simels
You should have that couch bronzed.
Ryan Shay a U.S. olympic hopeful died in the NYC Marathon five miles in.
it's really no wonder there are not many newcomers here
Your A-List Blogger hates you.
And teh Kewl Kidz can has yer ackount deleted.
Also speaking of porn, a woman friend of mine who was house sitting for me once fucked John Holmes on my couch.
True story...
steve simels
Is there nothing you have not vicariously experienced?
Was someone speaking truth to power again?
Damn I always miss all the fun.
My point with Amur was that some things are more of a lure to a child than porn. Obviously, he wasn't capable of understanding that.
If that's his main worry about raising a kid, I feel sorry for him.
There are three types of worries: Past worries, present worries, and future worries.
Which type of worries can you do the most about?
You got it: present worries. Two year olds + porn = future worry.
You should have that couch fumigated.
Lime Rickey
Fluffed Your Toybox.
Who is this Amur you speak of?
smitty w. mclovin | Homepage | 11.03.07 - 11:54 am
Just another 4 letter nym troll at the Eschaton.
And the Amur is a river.
Excuse me, but I didn't see Amur call for the banning of porn.
it's really no wonder there are not many newcomers here
Don't start with that bullshit, moi.
When folks come here and start wagging their fingers at "liberals" for not being more like them, it's gonna piss some people off.
Are cartoon liberals the ones who don't drop anvils on others?
Shit. I can't wait around all day for a new thread ...
Also speaking of porn, a woman friend of mine who was house sitting for me once fucked John Holmes on my couch.
Seka once patted my pussy.
it's really no wonder there are not many newcomers here
That's not true in the slighest. We get plenty of newcomers, and the ones who generally hang are the ones who don't figure they can shit in the punchbowl, lurk and learn, and can hold their own in a rough and tumble environment instead of crying "bully" and resorting to their own bullshit "analysis" when called on what they're saying.
It's a hard world, these intertubes. So sad.
Also speaking of porn, a woman friend of mine who was house sitting for me once fucked John Holmes on my couch.
And he was in the kitchen at the time.
Vicki, yeah, right now I've got other worries.
Then again, for a lot of people, life is a Destruct-O-Rama right now, so I don't feel alone in this.
Is there nothing you have not vicariously experienced?
attaturk | Homepage | 11.03.07 - 11:56 am | #
Well, that's one of the advantages of being older than god....
Also speaking of porn, a woman friend of mine who was house sitting for me once fucked John Holmes on my couch.
You wouldn't have wanted to follow up after the Wad.
Oh, I saw the Stones '81 concert last eve on VH1C.
Richards was in fine form. Fine form.
And the Amur is a river.
And a fish... a carp to be exact.
Are cartoon liberals the ones who don't drop anvils on others?
smitty w. mclovin | Homepage | 11.03.07 - 11:57 am | #
When the leadership pushes us off the cliff, we don't fall until we look down.
i'm just saying it would be nice if different points of view were accepted.
Seka once patted my pussy.
Bjorn,a poor young country boi | 11.03.07 - 11:57 am | #
Now THAT's something I would have paid money to see.
God, she was hot. And really enjoyed her work...
OWLS
And the Amur is a river.
And a fish... a carp to be exact.
You cannot step twice into the same carp.
I'm with you, moi.
I'm not understanding this flame.
Last I checked, one had to seek out porn to view it (and I'm talking the real stuff, not quasi-porn Calvin Klein ads). So whats-his-name and the rest of the "religious left" and anyone else that doesn't want to deal with it has a remedy, which is not to seek it out.
By the way, it would be nice if he could spell.
Well, that's one of the advantages of being older than god....
Simels vicariously experienced the Big Bang -- but thought it was porn.
And really enjoyed her work...
steve simels | Homepage | 11.03.07 - 12:00 pm | #
Not an once of plastic.
i'm just saying it would be nice if different points of view were accepted.
Yes, and I wish I could drink honey wine from the nipples of Aphrodite.
People disagree. That's what we're doing. Some disagree about certain things with a significant amount of passion. Get the fuck over it.
i know you are jennifer.
Christ--
Last time I bother posting here or anywhere else.
It appears that I've been ID'd as some kind of Limbaugh type trolling for fun.
Wrong.
My point is pretty basic:
That is, we as Liberals ought to have some ideas on this issue aside from the knee jerk response so succinctly summarized in Atrios' first post.
I don't know where to begin--- there are a number of ideas/arguments put out by lefty thinkers on this issue, but I don't have it in me to summarize them here.
I'm frankly astonished at the response my first post received and frankly way too pissed off at both the sanctimony and the juvenile quality of the same to respond in any helpful way.
I have no problem with adults accessing pornography to their hearts consent, but the issue here is not that simple.
You lot seem entirely comfortable making this whole issue into a case of prudes versus the enlightened, so I'll sign off and let you get back to your moral masturbation.
That's not true in the slighest. We get plenty of newcomers,
And of course we get hit by the 4 letter nym troll, who has been hanging on to this place like someone in desperate need for therapy.
i'm just saying it would be nice if different points of view were accepted.
No, you didn't. You threw out that "big tent" strawman.
People bring up a "point of view", and others challenge it. That's the nature of discussion.
I'll sign off and let you get back to your moral masturbation.
Amur | 11.03.07 - 12:02 pm | #
Good. But I'm not masturbating morally -- I am actually doing the real thing!!!
It's fun!!!
.it's really no wonder there are not many newcomers here
moi
Generally, when one shows up at someone's house for the first time, one does not start by uttering a nasty screed against the host. ANd the parenthetical (I'm a lifelong liberal) might as well be a bright red CONCERN TROLL sticker. This place has its clubby aspects, but I'd say that dude had it coming.
no actually the person was told to fuck off. no discussion there.
People bring up a "point of view", and others challenge it. That's the nature of discussion.
Zap Rowsdower | Homepage | 11.03.07 - 12:02 pm
I'm not looking for debate, which is down the hall. I'm looking for abuse and making a lot of it for everybody.
concern troll. snort.
Is anyone else a little annoyed by the circularity of the arguments offered by people who are afraid their kids will find porn on the internet?
I have a 16 month old. When he starts using the internet [in about five minutes] I'm not particularly worried.
Kids can only be considered to be "damaged" by finding porn on the internet if you subscribe to the idea that sex is evil to begin with.
What are the possible consequences of being exposed to porn? They might want to have sex. So what? I had sex when I was 16, and I would happily do it all over again. More than happily, actually. Somewhat ecstatically. They might be more likely to consume pornography as adults. OK, but now we're back to the circularity again: we have to keep kids away from porn because otherwise they'll go looking for porn. Ummm, OK.
no actually the person was told to fuck off. no discussion there.
I'm pretty fucking sure there's been discussion. Sorry it's not to your liking. If only you'd accept different styles of conversation.
You judgemental bully.
There's also the use of the charming phrase "lefty thinkers."
How many times have we heard that before -- and from what kinda folks?
When folks come here and start wagging their fingers at "liberals" for not being more like them, it's gonna piss some people off.
That it does.
It wasn't the POV, per se. I don't have any problem with anoyne that is uncomfortable with pornography especially when it comes to worrying about their children and exposure to same.
That being said, when one opens one's post as such...
God, Atrios is to be lauded for regurgitating the usual tired TIRED liberal take on pornography (and I'm lifelong liberal myself),
Excuse me, but I didn't see Amur call for the banning of porn.
If it walks like a concern troll and eats Cheetos like a concern troll, and has never posted here before this thread, well then, it's a concern troll.
Didn't the comment about liberals being the "patchouli patrol" give it away? And worries about a two year old and porn? A mature parent wouldn't be worried about that - s/he'd either be all over it or would realize that porn really won't affect the life of a two year old at this point - unless a family member or friend is sexually abusing the child. And if that were the case, then I'd hope the parent would be all over that, post haste.
I'm not sure I'm going to respond nicely when the first line from "Amur" is:
"God, Atrios is to be lauded for regurgitating the usual tired TIRED liberal take on pornography (and I'm lifelong liberal myself)."
Fuck off.
Amur | 11.03.07 - 12:02 pm | #
That was quite a farewell address. Not quite as good as the "V/R" troll's farewell address, but he gave it the good old college try.
BTW, I assume his two-year-old knows how to (a) turn on the computer and (b) find porn sites.
I owe billy b a coke, which I will pay upstairs.
When folks come here and start wagging their fingers at "liberals" for not being more like them, it's gonna piss some people off.
And that means they are quite effective at trolling. Their concern should be noted and we should ask for the address to sign up for their informative newsletter.
I'm sure Amur must have a fine blog with plenty of these fine thoughts on porn and children and liberal thinkers. Right????
I'm frankly astonished at the response my first post received
You obviously haven't spend much time here, have you?
"I chastised everyone in this thread for being selfish and immoral, and I was astonished at the response I received!"
And that means they are quite effective at trolling. Their concern should be noted and we should ask for the address to sign up for their informative newsletter.
Tom funny.
i'm just saying it would be nice if different points of view were accepted.
moi
is bemoaning that fact that you're a parent of a two year old in the "modern" world in which porn exists on the internet a legitimate "point of view" or a nerological disorder?
nerotic accommodation?
just askin'
I'm not going to apologize for my response to Amur. He's a moralistic, unrealistic freak who shouldn't be allowed near kids.
Flame away.
civil debate has its moments
but not in Atrios's comments
Generally, when one shows up at someone's house for the first time, one does not start by uttering a nasty screed against the host. ANd the parenthetical (I'm a lifelong liberal) might as well be a bright red CONCERN TROLL sticker.
Yup. Pretty blatant in this case.
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moi, we have as many points of view on this thread as we do people. If you read through it, every single person's take on the issue was very different.
and before you judge me please remember
sheep lie! )o:
i'm pretty sure he is just a worried parent of a 2 yr old. it was my take that he doesn't let the kid on the computer but is worried about the future. i remember jon stewart talking on the daily show how freaked out and protective he became after he had kids.
What's weird is that the omnipresence of exceptionally violent video games and movies does not draw the same attention. US TV would be a lot healthier, not to say more interesting, if there was less violence and more sex.
i'm pretty sure he is just a worried parent of a 2 yr old.
moi | 11.03.07 - 12:16 pm
and I'm pretty sure you're the flying nun. oh wait, sally fields is a parent and has the smarts and you... you're concern is noted. I'd really love the address to sign up for your informative newsletter.
Time for the Victorian era to end in the US. It really doesn't matter all that much what peoples' genitals are rubbing against.
Maybe, but there is something corrupting and destructive about porn, although admittedly the affect is subtle and insidious. Ever watch an interview with a porn star? They are some of the saddest, most wretched people you'll ever see.
it was my take that he doesn't let the kid on the computer but is worried about the future.
Future worries are useless! Christ, by the time the kid is old enough to play on the computer, we could all be dead due to Bush's WWIII.
It was a concern troll.
i think i'm going to fuck off permanently. see you all. adios.
I'm frankly astonished at the response my first post received and frankly way too pissed off at both the sanctimony and the juvenile quality of the same to respond in any helpful way.
I have no problem with adults accessing pornography to their hearts consent, but the issue here is not that simple.
You lot seem entirely comfortable making this whole issue into a case of prudes versus the enlightened, so I'll sign off and let you get back to your moral masturbation.
Amur
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it's been my experience that when someone becomes "astonished" and "frankly way too pissed off" it's because they fear they might be wrong and the "offending" person or persons might be right.
So anywho ... Frankly ... please don't call me Shirley
Noooooo! .... moi .... Please don't go!
Please Dont Go Back To New Orleans ... You know I love you baby so please don't go!
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Walks too long ... takke the Cannoball You know I love you darlin so please don't go!
Porneius was a character in Greek legend who was called "fornication personified", a good description, since his name comes from the Greek porneia, "fornication".
He was the son of Anagnus, "inchastity"; two of his brothers being Maechus, "adultery", and Aselges, "lasciviousness".
Porneius tried to rape Parthenia, "maidenly chastity", after whom the Parthenon (Temple of the Maiden) was named, but the "martial maid" killed him with her spear.
—Based on information from the
Encyclopedia of Word and Phrase Origins, by Robert Hendrickson;
Facts On File, Inc.; 1997, page 540.
http://www.wordinfo.info/words/i...age=12&
letter=P
Amur's little speil was pre-prepared and lacked only a vehicle. pachouli patrol and all of it was words he thunk of beforehand and wanted to use so he sought about to make it happen ... to bad if someone or a couple someones got sucked into defending an obvious ruse
Thanks to those of you who, if you didn't agree with me, at least responded to what I wrote and not my presumed character of being a major prig or Repub Mole.
For what it's worth, once again, I am a lifelong Democrat/unapologetic liberal.
I didn't throw in the following earlier as I think it's generally unfair to use anecdotal, personal experience in the place of an impersonal, hopefully reasoned argument, but with that qualification...
I work with HIV+ inmates at a big city jail. Many of the females are prostitutes; many of them are runaways just off the bus or just escaped out of foster care. The abuse histories are staggering.
Now, if you think of pornography as the Major Leagues, where do you think the farm team comes from? Is it possible that the "actresses" might be drawn from the same pool?
Again, using personal experience like the above is a cheap shot, and I'm sure I sound just as "holier-than-thou" as I've been accusing some of the posters here. And, I'm sure that working in the place I do with the women I do has the effect of distorting my point of view as to how at risk my own kids may be.
The one objective point here is that while none of us (including myself) have a problem with consenting adults appearing in porn films or consenting adults watching them, "consent" is a wee bit harder than we might pretend it to be.
some of what is being said in your posts either intentionally or not speaks to a situation known as toxic faith ... those somewhat rare but mindblowing cases where a victim of the syndrome has a psychotic break over fear their children are too precious and in danger of the wicked world so they decide to be the hand of the protector and send the little darlings to a safe place (usually a preconceived "heaven) but not always, by murdering them.
I don't suspect you'd like for your civil sense of duty and discussion to take you into the realm of an implied support for this type of thing but that doesnt mean that things don't seep into peoples minds through there eyes as they read you urgent messages and concerns
Oh, great! Another idea for Chimpy and Darth. Suspend the Constitution.
Oh, right. He has been doing that a little at a time.
mime troll
Well, the words "suspend the Constitution" do make wingers' gonads tingle...
The word is AUGHT.
Yeah. As a few have pointed out, it's "aught-seven." "Naught-seven" would be wrong, however, as naught is the /value/ of zero; aught is the digit zero.
Language nazi, away!
Porn is not only destructive to the participants, but you should see what it's doing to marriages. The old myth that porn can spice things up is a lie. Porn makes men into libido-less zombies.
Also, do people really think the porn industry today is like what it was 20 years ago? We live in the world of disgusting garbage like bangbus.com and gonzo. Porn is fucked.
Also, porno movies? Who is talking about porno movies? What the fuck, do you think this is 1974? Porn is about a scumbag with a camera doing POV gonzo low budget shit.
Weekly, LOL
My lover and I have enjoyed watching Pr0n together for many years as we begin our third decade of living together "in sin". Hasn't had the slightest bad effect on her libido or mine. Quite the contrary, in fact.
Sorry your experience was so bad. Now run along and don't forget to put on your Angel Pants.
You're a fucking retard. I'm not talking about using porn in relationships, I'm talking about isolated endless male wanking.
There are several valid reasons to discuss Internet porn. For instance, most of it is service porn for men, with a view of sexual pleasure which is pretty much focused on what men might like and not what women might like. The more such porn we have the more likely it is that sexuality itself is redefined in a way which makes it less about women's pleasure than about men's pleasure.
As an example of this, could it possibly be that the focus on fellatio and the no-focus on cunnilingus in popular culture these days is something to do with porn as sex for guys? I also agree that the desire of young women to have breast enhancement surgery (a medical operation with possible long-term problems for breastfeeding, say) is at least partly driven by the porn industry where all women have plastic breasts.
Plastic breasts then become normal for men who watch porn. Probably what is in porn in general starts looking like the normal way one does sex, even when it's really quite extreme in many cases.
None of this means that I would support censuring porn which is not directly violent, degrading, exploitative of the workers or using children or animals (who can't consent). But surely the story about porn is more complicated than just saying that it's better than having weird hangups about sex. The two might not even be mutually exclusive categories.
Porn is not "the" problem or even "a" problem that our country faces today.
Porn industry executives and employees DID NOT attack the United States of American on 9/11 and kill close to 3,000 people.
Neither did a secular dictator, Saddam Hussein, a dictator who allowed porn movie houses and video stores that sold porn, attack us on 9/11.
Die-hard religious fundamentalists, however, were the evil ones responsible for murdering almost 3,000 people on 9/11.
And die-hard religious fundamentalists, with the help of the corrupt Bush administration, have been perverting our democracy, as well as supporting a bunch of right-wing thugs, like themselves, who believe that starting wars is more important than paying for the healthcare of our nation's children.
Crazed and insidious religious fundamentalists are "the" problem our nation faces today, not porn.
Weekly Journalist, you oughta consider that you're looking at the wrong porn. I find bangbus disgusting - but I like some porn just fine. I look at a lot of porn. I hate fake boobs with a passion. I consider the quality of porn to be directly, and almost exclusively, related to the actual pleasure that the female participants get from it. Almost the only stuff I enjoy is homemade.
It hasn't had the slightest effect on my relationship with my wife, except that it's a lot easier for me to endure the sexual dry spells that go along with her cancer treatments.
So most of the anti-porn arguments above don't apply to me at all.
I've spent too much time in my life seeing women enjoy porn to buy the sex-negative arguments. They just don't fly. Any time your final argument is that people are brainwashed, your argument is very, very thin.
Masturbation is good. Most all women should do it more. And to tell men who aren't in a relationship that they shouldn't enjoy porn is like telling the cow in the barn that it should eat grass, not hay.
you people dont even think children have the right to grow up NOT being sexually abused by you animal feces. Every last one of you is going to die a very, very painful death. You faggots better hope the war lasts forever.
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