HULK SMASH
egad.
yes
yes
My prediction: we'll never leave.
wow--coked on the triple, can i blame the fact that the 5yo is screaming at me to get off the computer??
later.
I still like his reports even if he interjects some bullshit.
hey where did i go??
Iraq is so spuerawesome/superhorrible we just can't leave.
we just can't!
oh. there i am.
and now i'm gone.
Haloscam is freakin' 2day.
Americans must continue to die in Iraq, but it's not about the oil!
Except when it is.
I'd hit it.
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My prediction?
Pain.
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blah blah blah (bill) clinton got a blow job blah blah blah your candidate's a cult leader blah blah blah the media is in the tank for BHO blah blah blah the media is in the tank for HRC blah blah blah the party is split across racial lines blah blah blah the party is split along generational lines blah blah blah the baby boomers are ruining our chances blah blah blah the gen-x-ers are ruining our chances blah blah blah the clintons are racists blah blah blah michelle obama is a big mouth blah blah blah HRC supporters won't vote for BHO if he is the nominee blah blah blah BHO supporters won't support HRC if she is the nominee blah blah blah HRC faked her tears in NH blah blah blah BHO is in bed with Rezko blah blah blah HRC will set the party on fire blah blah blah BHO will give black people "special treatment" blah blah blah HRC is the most power-hungry person in human history blah blah blah BHO is in bed with whatever's left of the black panthers blah blah blah the Dems are giving republicans a bit wet kiss by allowing the nomination to go to (a) April; (b) May; (c) June; (d) July; (e) the convention blah blah blah Howard Dean can stop this blah blah blah Howard Dean can't stop this blah blah blah HRC wants to hire Greenspan blah blah blah BHO wants to hire Chuck Hagel blah blah blah atrios is a secret BHO supporter blah blah blah atrios is a secret HRC supporter blah blah blah atrios is a secret mccain supporter and by the way, we're still spending $2BB/month not to turn the corner in Iraq ...
My prediction: we'll never leave.
Stunt Hussein Woman
That's Chimpy's plan.
PermaWar. Brought to you by BushCo!
res ipsa loquitur has ruined Easter Monday.
I've said it a few times here, but one thing you have to remember about Ware is that he has been in Iraq more or less constantly since the invasion.
When he's come to the US, it's been for a week or two at most at a time; the largest period of time away from Iraq included a trip to France for the rugby World Cup, and even then CNN got him to do reporting among the Aussie supporters.
Given that perspective, I don't think it's unreasonable for him to take that position. But it's a perspective that's shielded from American domestic politics, and it's nowhere near as bad as the position of American hawks equally shielded from the facts on the ground in Iraq.
A reminder that when Colin Powell spoke about the Pottery Barn rule, he couldn't even get his facts right. There is no break it/buy it rule at Pottery Barn.
Iraq:USA::Afghanistan:USSR
From below:
Hey, did you ever see "Jeanne Eagels"? Watched it last night and was astounded.
Phila, I have not seen it. Kim Novak can get the job done, though. Jeff Chandler, OTOH, is a human sleeping pill.
I've spent the last couple weekends watching the movies Will Rogers made with Ford: Doctor Bill, Judge Priest, and Steamboat Round the Bend. Amazing stuff. Rogers is out of this world. STEAMBOAT, in particular, is as poetic a film as any of the Big Five Frogs ever directed.
A reminder that when Colin Powell spoke about the Pottery Barn rule, he couldn't even get his facts right.
Powell's source for information about Pottery Barn was Curveball.
So, if it's a mess no matter when we leave, then we should leave now.
A reminder that when Colin Powell spoke about the Pottery Barn rule, he couldn't even get his facts right. There is no break it/buy it rule at Pottery Barn.
cool! I'm going to get drunk and trash Pottery Barn tonight!
I told you Wagstaff would return.
Judge Priest
Judge Priest was one of Pere Doghiney's all-time faves.
I couldn't watch past the courtroom scene with Step'n Fetchit.
More asshattery from stupid lazy shit:
"but I do wish she'd have focused her fire on McCain, instead of arguing that he's so awesome that Obama couldn't beat him."
Never happened. But please prove me wrong. Links to actual quotes from Hillary.
So, if it's a mess no matter when we leave, then we should leave now.
how terribly unserious you are.
i called the exterminator - has he shown up yet?
Ware does talk about the clusterfuckupedness, but it's always in the context of rattling the saber and screaming, "more, blood, Blood, BLOOD!"
Job security for Ware?
There has to be a better way.
"but I do wish she'd have focused her fire on McCain, instead of arguing that he's so awesome that Obama couldn't beat him"
well, there was that 'who passes the commander-in-chief test' comment...
So, if it's a mess no matter when we leave, then we should leave now.
cosmosis | 03.24.08 - 1:09 pm | #
if we'd listened to dr dean when he said that, we would have skipped four years of mess.
So, if it's a mess no matter when we leave, then we should leave now.
Revenge of the Obtuse!
Yep, a fact and a metaphor are the same damn thing.
I would like to trade this war in for a utility outfielder and a peace to be named later.
Iraq:USA::Afghanistan:USSR
We also have Afghanistan...
res ipsa loquitur | Homepage | 03.24.08 - 1:07 pm | #
I love you.
At least Ware is honest about what's really happening in Iraq. He has his own opinion about what the right response is, but he's giving people information they can use to draw their own conclusions.
MLS RIL,
I though Dyngus Day would be an appropriate time to drop by again.
Time Capsule: January 20, 1992 NY Mag cover story on Bill Clinton by Joke Line.
Getting out:
1. Acknowledge the fact that this whole operation was a mistake and that the bed cannot be unshit.
2. Apologize for 1.
3. Commit to financing the reconstruction, which would be a fraction of the cost of continuing the occupation.
4. Rollback the Bremer economic rape of the state industries and cancel the existing contracts with non-Iraq companies.
5. Get the eff out.
Ware just knows there's some way to turn Iraq into a westernized, secular democracy. He doesn't know what it is, but he knows there's a way and we have to stay there till we find it.
He's kinda like a more butch Chris Shays than a McCain supporter. I doubt he'd be on board for bomb bomb Iran.
Bob Avakian / Spike Lee '08!
He's fully loaded: 2-1/2 FUs.
A reminder that when Colin Powell spoke about the Pottery Barn rule, he couldn't even get his facts right. There is no break it/buy it rule at Pottery Barn.
And who cares, really?
MLB Wagstaff,
I assured your legion of fans that you would return. They were pounding the bleachers. I had to hold them back. I deserve a medal (or a cookie).
So, if it's a mess no matter when we leave, then we should leave now.
Agreed. And it will be a mess when we leave. But our staying won't prevent that. So let's get the fuck out.
i'm not even sure why Britain is still in Iraq, i suspect its for political reasons
Never happened. But please prove me wrong. Links to actual quotes from Hillary.
hadenough | 03.24.08 - 1:11 pm | #
Well, if that's not delusional, I don't know what is.
goddamnit, i'm dead! stop beating me already!
-- the horse
ware been their too long. its affecting his thinking. he's still seems more honest than most and truly love the people & country.
poor dude.
MLS RIL,
The Clenis is in South Bend to celebrate Dyngus Day, by the way.
Deadthreaded, but interesting:
McCain breaks spending rules
...adding, there are times when I've rooted for Obama because I want this thing to be over. Clinton can stay in the campaign as long as she likes, but I do wish she'd have focused her fire on McCain, instead of arguing that he's so awesome that Obama couldn't beat him.
Word.
And what is the endpoint here? Given the remaining state primaries, Obama will have a larger popular vote and more regular delegates. The supers can go against the will of the people and destroy the party. Hopefully most of them will decide to go with the popular vote well before the convention, and Senator Clinton will have the dignity to drop out and back the party. Her strategy of putting her remaining hopes on the superdelegates is divisive to party unity. Why would any good Democrat want to go against the will of the people? PA is about it for her and just isn't big enough to make the difference.
I couldn't watch past the courtroom scene with Step'n Fetchit.
Stepin Fetchit is a comic genius.
Remember: Ford was even more fond of white fools, i.e., Andy Devine, Victor McLaughlin, and his own brother, Frank (typically playing a semi-mute backwoods alcoholic).
Stay classy obamatons:
Obama Iowa Senior Adviser Invokes 'Monica's Blue Dress' When Assailing Bill Clinton's 'Patriotism' Comments
"When Joe McCarthy questioned others' patriotism, McCarthy (1) actually believed, at least aparently (sic), the questions were genuine, and (2) he did so in order to build up, not tear down, his own party, the GOP. Bill Clinton cannot possibly seriously believe Obama is not a patriot, and cannot possibly be said to be helping -- instead he is hurting -- his own party. B. Clinton should never be forgiven. Period. This is a stain on his legacy, much worse, much deeper, than the one on Monica's blue dress."
http://blogs.abcnews.com/politic...-iowa-co-
c.html
Five years ago I said "Iraq" is Arabic for "Somolia, Supersized". We've been so successful in curing the ills of Somalia.
Phila has chosen to be a splitter, a schismatic of the worst and most horrible type. everyone knows the RCP has sold out the true ideals of Maoism, and Chairman Bob is flushing the revolutionary potential of the masses down the toilet. and for what?
blah blah blah atrios is a secret BHO supporter blah blah blah atrios is a secret HRC supporter blah blah blah atrios is a secret mccain supporter
There's a chance Atrios might be a secret Brazilian.
Anybody else here have a thing for Ileana Douglas?
Just wondering...
I suspect that whichever Democrat is elected in November, there's going to be a lot of grousing and recrimination here that he/she isn't getting us out of Iraq fast enough.
Obama has said we need to be as careful getting out as we were reckless in getting in. Clinton has placed similar caveats on her plans.
It's not going to be quick or pretty and our political enemies are waiting to pounce on everything that goes wrong on our way out, pretending that everything had been going wonderfully up til now and all that was really necessary was a little more will and fortitude (and yes, a tad more blood and money).
It's tragedy.
Anybody else here have a thing for Ileana Douglas?
::meekly raises hand::
There's a chance Atrios might be a secret Brazilian.
I ain't checkin'!
Ware should butt out of policy decisions.
There's a chance Atrios might be a secret Brazilian.
doncjesuis, Tina Fey fan
Or have a Brazilian, secretly.
It would be irresponsible not to speculate....
Stay classy obamatons:
don't you worry your pretty little head about us, Bugs.
Phila, I have not seen it. Kim Novak can get the job done, though. Jeff Chandler, OTOH, is a human sleeping pill.
He's definitely the weak link. But he pulls it off by the end.
But what's really incredible is George Sidney's direction. Some really effective stuff in it that comes way out of left field.
McCain breaks spending rules
IOKIYAR
One Week until the Cub Home Opener. Snow melting in Chicago. That is all.
when I watch Ware, I always wonder what happened to his nose.
as to his stand on staying--he appears to have a conscience and buy in for the idea that the Iraqi tribes will expand their longstanding feuds instead of looking for some peace.
My prediction: we'll never leave.
Stunt Hussein Woman
But we CAN check out any time we like, right?
Because I'm tired of paying the bill.
Anybody else here have a thing for Ileana Douglas?
Not so much. But I liked her in Seinfeld, when she was one of George's girlfriends (with a heinous fake tan).
The Clenis is in South Bend to celebrate Dyngus Day, by the way.
Professor Wagstaff
"South Bend." heh heh
That's what Paula Jones said, isn't it?
Anybody else here have a thing for Ileana Douglas?
You might enjoy the episode of "Action" where her childstar-turned hooker-turned movie producer gets out her bustier and thigh-high boots to help a nerdy screenwriter get through writer's block
If you look for reasons to stay, you will always find them. And, our treasury bleeds to death propping up an oil rich country that under decent leadership could pay its own way, we deny our own country every thing it needs that costs money - including healthcare.
doncjesuis, Tina Fey fan |
did you see the SCTV PBS special this past weekend? Tina Fey from her SCTV days in chicago with rachel dratch?
Tina was going through what i would (hopefully PC) characterize as 'content butch-dyke' phase
Somalia is in a sorry state
not that it wasn't like that before but the Ethiopian invasion allowed the warlords to run free again
ok so the ICU are not great but they did provide a sphere of stability, heck they even managed to get the airport running again
what made them different was they rose above the clan system
Okay...errands beckon.
I'll talk to you fine folks later in the afternoon.
And Happy Easter Monday to our friends up north in Canadia.
Anybody else here have a thing for Ileana Douglas?
Um, yes... since you ask.
So that means a Ware = four Friedmans?
I think if you asked most Iraqis, you'd get that equivocation: that the Americans have to leave, but they can't leave.
If you'd spent 90% of the last five years in a war zone, you'd probably feel that way too: can't see the wood for the trees.
Or have a Brazilian, secretly.
All Level 3 Barackolytes are clean shaven below the navel. Only Level 4 Barackloytes, however, are allowed to have piercings.
NTodd, Gleet Lover:
Peace now, utility infield later.
res ipsa loquitur has ruined Easter Monday.
SteveLG
I dunno man. That's one hell of a blah job.
But we CAN check out any time we like, right?
Because I'm tired of paying the bill.
*cough*
Peace now, utility infield later.
No, I want Cleveland to beat Boston this year.
There is an undercurrent in many of these 'we can't leave now' arguments that a people who ruled a land for thousands of years magically became incapable of doing so because the Americans showed up.
Good one res...
Anybody else here have a thing for Ileana Douglas?
steve simels
* raises hand *
She was fantastic in "Grace of My Heart."
i think most iraqis have said that americans are the cause of the violence.
She was fantastic in "Grace of My Heart."
An underrated film.
radical idea - back off and let the Iraqis work out their own problems, find out what works for them instead of trying to impose an alien system top down
its sheer arrogance trying to mold a country into your own image
The street lessons from the grand jury include that "WooWooWoo" is the equivalent of "BlahBlah" or "YaddaYadda" in Anacostia.
'All blogging is selective blogging, if not you're just posting the AP feed.'
No shit.
And I think you know that I'm not suggesting that atrios must comment on any and all issues...
but some issues are bigger than others, no?
/curtsies
There is an undercurrent in many of these 'we can't leave now' arguments that a people who ruled a land for thousands of years magically became incapable of doing so because the Americans showed up.
Falstaff
American fuckups are so fucking spectacular only fucking Americans can unfuck'em.
Do we get any frequent flyer miles from Iraq?
There is an undercurrent in many of these 'we can't leave now' arguments that a people who ruled a land for thousands of years magically became incapable of doing so because the Americans showed up.
I'm curious how well our institutions of government would perform in the midst of an occupation by a foreign army. Better than they do under George W. Bush, to be sure, but on average???
res ipsa loquitur has ruined Easter Monday.
SteveLG
But we'll always have John Donne.
Come for the poetry, stay for the bunny.
just look up British fuck ups
Phila has chosen to be a splitter, a schismatic of the worst and most horrible type. everyone knows the RCP has sold out the true ideals of Maoism, and Chairman Bob is flushing the revolutionary potential of the masses down the toilet. and for what?
mrs. ibrahim al-jafaari | 03.24.08 - 1:17 pm | # [kill][hide comment]
I think you'll find that he's more than capable of suppressing right-bourgeois counterrevolutionaries like yourself.
Stinky linkee, reverend.
its sheer arrogance trying to mold a country into your own image - Moonbootica
Sheesh, what's the point of being American then? [/PNAC & Chicken Caesar
just look up British fuck ups
there's some real doozies.
just look up British fuck ups
We learned from the best. And the French.
but some issues are bigger than others, no?
willyjsimmons
Depends on who's measuring.
And blogs are not newspapers. Bloggers have no obligation to cover topics not interesting to them.
for example i dont think Atrios has ever really posted on the Isreal/palestinian 'conflict'. which is totally cool by me.
The British birthed Iraq, so it should be up to them to wet nurse it.
There are news reports from Buffalo that a shortage of puusy willows may spoil the Dyngus Day festival.
I'm curious how well our institutions of government would perform in the midst of an occupation by a foreign army. Better than they do under George W. Bush, to be sure, but on average???
Hussein Doghiney (D-TX)
I am sure many Iraqis view most in the current Iraqi leadership as Vichys.
but some issues are bigger than others, no?
willyjsimmons
Periodic reminder:
It's Atrios's blog. If he wants to spend the next 2 years blogging about the need for a new street light at the end of his block, it's nobody's business to tell him not to.
Jeez. Time to get out my old tapes of the 22nd Party Congress and relive the old times...
Stinky linkee, reverend.
SteveLG
Haloscan really doesn't like me.
"There is an undercurrent in many of these 'we can't leave now' arguments that a people who ruled a land for thousands of years magically became incapable of doing so because the Americans showed up.
Falstaff "
Flastaff... you're kind of skipping the whole British experience and the aftermath bit.
for example i dont think Atrios has ever really posted on the Isreal/palestinian 'conflict'. which is totally cool by me.
Indeed, he doesn't. There are plenty of fine blogs that do, like Lawrence of Cyberia.
Happy Easter Monday back atcha, steve number 1.
I am sure many Iraqis view most in the current Iraqi leadership as Vichys.
D'accord.
Some Republicans say voters like Obama because he has refused to help black people.
Where was Obama on the racially charge Duke rape case?
He had other things to do.
Where was Obama on the racially charged Jena Six case?
He was busy elsewhere.
Is that what makes Jackson and Sharpton "shakedown artists and flim-flammers?"
Because they were willing to get involved when Obama wasn't?
Time to fall forward?
...The most senior US general in Iraq has said he has evidence that Iran was behind Sunday's bombardment of Baghdad's heavily fortified Green Zone.
Gen David Petraeus told the BBC he thought Tehran had trained, equipped and funded insurgents who fired the barrage of mortars and rockets...
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middl...ast/
7311565.stm
That should put the Gen. back in Cheney's good graces. Also, it's not a bad way to distract from the 4k coverage.
for example i dont think Atrios has ever really posted on the Isreal/palestinian 'conflict'. which is totally cool by me.
Indeed, he doesn't. There are plenty of fine blogs that do, like Lawrence of Cyberia.
NTodd, Gleet Lover | Homepage | 03.24.08 - 1:25 pm | #
also Lenin's Tomb
If Obama's words are any indication, then we could be there a while:
Let me be clear: ending this war is not going to be easy. There will be dangers involved. We will have to make tactical adjustments, listening to our commanders on the ground, to ensure that our interests in a stable Iraq are met, and to make sure that our troops are secure.
"Interests."
What interests? Oil? Permanent bases?
HRC has stated categorically that she will reject permanent bases and will remove ALL contractors.
The only interest we have is in getting out. He's supposed to tell the commanders what to do, not the other way around. And short of a massive military purge, is there any doubt what they would advise? Any danger of withdrawal is an absolute red herring. The Soviets left Afghan with little trouble. It's about saving face.
Hopefully most of them will decide to go with the popular vote well before the convention,
Unless you're Richardson.
For all the fears of American imperialism, we're really singularly bad at running other people's countries when you think about it. Probably all for the better.
It's Atrios's blog. If he wants to spend the next 2 years blogging about the need for a new street light at the end of his block, it's nobody's business to tell him not to.
I'm sure if the boy were to blog about said street light 24/7, there would be 723 or more comments on each thread.
'It's Atrios's blog. If he wants to spend the next 2 years blogging about the need for a new street light at the end of his block, it's nobody's business to tell him not to.'
No shit, it's his blog.
I was asked a question and responded.
Get a grip.
Republican trolls are as skilled at reverse psychology as Data.
Well, the mayor of Detroit (a Democrat but need I say it) has now been indicted for lying about sex & therefore committing perjury. These investigations of Democrats by Repub Administrations have a major effect on making Democratic officeholders not do or say anything that rocks the boat politically. We, progressives, can work otherselves in a lather all we want about spineless Democrats, but having constant media portrayals of Democrats as being flip floppers or too radical, or these criminal investigations for any possible wronging, make Democratic politicans very loather to stick their necks out.
Bugs
Fuck off, racist pig.
Bugs | 03.24.08 - 1:26 pm | #
Fuck Off, Racist Pig
But what's really incredible is George Sidney's direction. Some really effective stuff in it that comes way out of left field.
Interesting. I checked IMDB to see who might have been lurking out in left field in that film and discovered in the cast:
Director: Frank Borzage(uncredited)
Borzage's last role! Doubtful he contributed any ideas ... but not impossible, and there's always the "inspiration factor."
I can't say I'm a huge fan of anything else that Sidney has done but I've not studied his musicals closely.
I'm sure if the boy were to blog about said street light 24/7, there would be 723 or more comments on each thread.
One would hope we'd still talk about sex and recipes.
And blogs are not newspapers. Bloggers have no obligation to cover topics not interesting to them.
Rmj, Bemused Theologist | 03.24.08 - 1:24 pm | # [kill][hide comment]
Which reminds me...I'm still waiting on your complete explication of the works of Alexandre Kojčve.
what the Bush Junta/PNAC don't get is imperialism is sooooo over
Get a grip.
You might consider that advice for yourself. Gummo made a fairly benign reminder is all.
Getting out:
1. Acknowledge the fact that this whole operation was a mistake and that the bed cannot be unshit.
2. Apologize for 1.
Handing over Bush and Cheney to the Iraqi authorities for trial would be a good start on that.
3. Commit to financing the reconstruction, which would be a fraction of the cost of continuing the occupation.
4. Rollback the Bremer economic rape of the state industries and cancel the existing contracts with non-Iraq companies.
5. Get the eff out.
SteveNS
Handing over the "permanent" bases to UN peacekeeping forces in the process.
The Iraqis want us out.
That should be enough.
Lawrence of Cyberia....Lenin's Tomb
and probably some other less rabidly Isrealophobic alternatives
Unless you're Richardson.
Huh? Obama is ahead in the popular vote and its well before the convention.
Had one of those, whose credulous piety
Thought that a soul one might discern and see
Go from a body, at this sepulchre been,
And, issuing from the sheet, this body seen,
He would have justly thought this body a soul,
If not of any man, yet of the whole.
Hm. Hmm.
Thanks for the poem and the bunny.
Who is this "Atrios" that people are referring to?
Res, I see you're back in form. You go girl.
Flastaff... you're kind of skipping the whole British experience and the aftermath bit.
Windowdog
Thousands of years give or take 15, afterwards the monarchy and the Republic still constitute ruling their own country.
One would hope we'd still talk about sex and recipes.
Those (and music and the occasional sports theme) are the only things that keep blood from being spilled at this point.
Lawrence of Cyberia....Lenin's Tomb
and probably some other less rabidly Isrealophobic alternatives
Schmuel of Arabia
Not Israelophobic. Just speaking for the voiceless who get murdered a lot by people we give billions of dollars of military aid to.
Who is this "Atrios" that people are referring to?
A guy with a roofdeck and an aversion to biofuels.
what the Bush Junta/PNAC don't get is imperialism is sooooo over
Moonbootica, Hussein&Stingray
Also, as a country we have the attention span of an ADD child on a sugar binge.
Sure, we love all the boom boom of war (as long as it's far away) but the unglamorous stuff of rebuilding a country we've invaded leaves us bored and turning the channel....
Who is this "Atrios" that people are referring to?
Billmon.
Fine, Michael Ware. You have a lot of graves to dig, though. Better get going.
Who is this "Atrios" that people are referring to?
he mostly lurks, but sometimes posts on these threads.
So there's Mesopotamia, variously under Persian, Arab, Ottoman and English rule, multiethnic, multifaith and welded together out of boundaries having little if anything to do with other than colonial powers' convenience.
Not saying occupation is a good thing, or that they can't do it themselves. But it's a ridiculously complex stew. Maybe that's why we shouldn't have gone in in the first place...
One would hope we'd still talk about sex and recipes.
Little Karl would still be entertaining us with its pithy commentary.
"There is an undercurrent in many of these 'we can't leave now' arguments that a people who ruled a land for thousands of years magically became incapable of doing so because the Americans showed up.
Falstaff "
Flastaff... you're kind of skipping the whole British experience and the aftermath bit.
Windowdog
Before the British, the Ottoman Turks ruled the area for 500 years.
1401: The Ottoman Turks capture Baghdad and Damascus.
did you see the SCTV PBS special this past weekend? Tina Fey from her SCTV days in chicago with rachel dratch?
Tina was going through what i would (hopefully PC) characterize as 'content butch-dyke' phase
mogwai
I pretty sure I've seen it at some point. I love the stuff I've seen from her Second City work. And even in Chicago when she was a little, um, curvier, she had this intense sexy coolness about her, in addition to her great sense of humor. It was cool how she said that she didn't think she was ever a fan favor