I'MMA LET YOU FINISH
HICA!
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Heh!
It's working.
Oh yeah.
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Molly rawks.
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I'm very excited at all the money the U.S. is going to make off this bailout bill.
I actually have evidence for this: I have one wingnut friend on Facebook and that was his response to the debate.
As usual, a day late and a dollar short. Closer than usual though.
I'm very excited at all the money the U.S. is going to make off this bailout bill.
We each own a little piece of the Brooklyn Bridge now.
We have fog on the pumpkin here in the van by the river.
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Thank you. Even with my AT&T sucky DSL, that was getting slow.
CNN anchor says lenders were reluctant to make car loans: "they're thinking, you burned me once, don't burn me again."
It's working.
Culture of TrÜth
Ain't it the truth.
She's scaring the shit out of me.
With 800 billion dollars the U.S. could have bought the 25 largest banks in the country. Scary.
We have fog on the pumpkin here in the van by the river
JP - when did you become a motivational speaker?
Got to go work. Later.
6-700 seems to be where the thread gets bogged down, so I usually wait for that. I'm late getting in this morning because I was preparing for Father Ivors, who will be arriving shortly to blow cellulose insulation into the attic.
Oh, is he doing better, Molly? Or am I confused about who Father I is?
Thanks, MollyI!
And for those who miss Ruth as much as I do, she's posted on her current work with Habitat for Humanity.
CNN anchor says lenders were reluctant to make car loans:
And car dealers are having a hell of a time getting floor plan money. Look for much reduced inventories in the future. Maybe that's a good thing.
CNN anchor says lenders were reluctant to make car loans: "they're thinking, you burned me once, don't burn me again."
Culture of TrÜth
CNN is full of shit. The credit shortages are between the banks. The banks don't trust each other - the media and the Congress has sold us a bill of goods - and we bought it for $700 billion. I'm ashamed, 'cause it shows how really stupid many folks are.
Well, that makes sense. Houses appreciate in value (or at least, that was the conventional wisdom); cars drop their value by half the moment you drive them off the lot. Car loans are probably a shitty deal for lenders.
Oh. One other thing.
Spend a buck at iTunes and get Ben Sollee's cover of Sam Cooke's "A Change is Gonna Come" (accompanying himself on cello) and make it your theme song for the next five weeks.
Deep thought: Yesterday's PaxLive went well even if none of you chumps called in...
Much better, V4V, thanks. It was just an infection in which the swelling was slow to recede. He's back on his puttering feet now. Still, scary.
One of the largest (maybe the largest Chevrolet dealers in the country filed for bankruptcy last week. Big local news.
Hey, anybody wanna buy a big assed truck for cheap! Gets 10 MPG, can haul a huge load of, you know, french fries of whatever it is you pick up on your daily errands.
it shows how really stupid many folks are.
Not stupid. Ignorant and misinformed. Calling everybody stupid really doesn't help effect change.
Well, that makes sense. Houses appreciate in value (or at least, that was the conventional wisdom); cars drop their value by half the moment you drive them off the lot. Car loans are probably a shitty deal for lenders.
Well, if your stupid enough to sell a new car right after you drive off the lot you deserve to lose half.
Say I own a Ford dealership. Do I pay Ford for the car before it gets to me and then get the full value of the sale, or do they sell it to me and then get a cut of whatever I get?
,i>Not stupid. Ignorant and misinformed. Calling everybody stupid really doesn't help effect change.
NTodd, Famous Person
Oh, what do you know about it, stoopid head?
Father Ivors, who will be arriving shortly to blow cellulose insulation into the attic.
Gaiii.
Oh, what do you know about it, stoopid head?
[farts, scratches ass]
We each own a little piece of the Brooklyn Bridge now.
Molly Ivors
Oooh, must add that to my Bailout Tour™
My post about NYT front-paging Obama and the bomber got dead threaded.
The only thing I learned is that there's a new ad using the story --fucking lazy reporter doesn't mention if it's a campaign ad, RNC, or a 527.
Must suck for the Rethugs to see their slime not sticking
Molly: the only coherent take on Plain I've come up with is that she's a dogwhistle to the fundies and wingnut base that McCain holds so tenuously. I need to remember that tenuousness, because i find it so counterintuitive that such a conservative man isn't embraced by conservatives. But there it is.
And that she's female was thought a great idea by the same folks who noticed that Hillary Clinton is a woman, that Clarence Thomas, among others of his ilk, is black, and so on. The thought was doubtless that she'd throw a curve at the narrative that women gravitate to the Democrats. The notion that any woman would support the Republicans, whose stance on women's health issues has been reactionary, ignorant and dangerous, even if they run a woman candidate, still escapes me...
My goodness. (wink). How could a straight atcha hockey mom from Wasilla, piss off liberals, doggone it? I am just a joe six pack, golly. Also.
Proposed: stupid is different from stoopid.
I'm the same age as Obama. I swear to G~d, I wanted to join the SDS when I was 8!
Not stupid. Ignorant and misinformed. Calling everybody stupid really doesn't help effect change.
For once I agree with the Tastee Freez proprietor.
I'm ashamed, 'cause it shows how really stupid many folks are.
CityKid (the Cubs will win - s
Actually, it seemed to me that most folks were pretty irate about the whole notion, based on the level of calls Congresscritters were getting.
What a fucking disaster this country is.
[heads to iTunes as per Steve's suggestion]
Proposed: stupid is different from stoopid.
Don't be stoopit.
NYT has a piece this morning explaining the extent of the Obama-Ayers connection, which will be the basis for a desperate smear campaign as McCain sees the race slip away.
It quotes McCain on Obama in 2007:
In a televised interview last spring, Senator John McCain, Mr. Obama’s Republican rival, asked, “How can you countenance someone who was engaged in bombings that could have or did kill innocent people?”
It does not quote McCain on McCain in 1997:
"I am a war criminal," McCain said on "60 Minutes" in 1997. "I bombed innocent women and children."
I fretted to him about heating bills and now I have a garage full of this green insulation waiting to go in.
I miss my mom terribly, but I'm very glad I still have my dad.
Bob Herbert
We’ve lived through nearly two terms of an administration that believed it could create its own reality:
“Deficits don’t matter.” “Brownie, you’re doing a heckuva job.” “Those weapons of mass destruction must be somewhere.”
Now comes Ms. Palin, a smiling, bubbly vice-presidential candidate who travels in an alternate language universe. For Ms. Palin, such things as context, syntax and the proximity of answers to questions have no meaning.
In her closing remarks at the vice-presidential debate Thursday night, Ms. Palin referred earnestly, if loosely, to a quote from Ronald Reagan. He had warned that if Americans weren’t vigilant in protecting their freedom, they would find themselves spending their “sunset years telling our children and our children’s children what it was like in America when men were free.”
What Ms. Palin didn’t say was that the menace to freedom that Reagan was talking about was Medicare. As the historian Robert Dallek has pointed out, Reagan “saw Medicare as the advance wave of socialism, which would ‘invade every area of freedom in this country.’ ”
Barndog: JP - when did you become a motivational speaker?
When I discovered I had "The Gift™".
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There are alot of people who work all day, get home, do homework, and dinner with the kids, are exhausted, put on some brain candy, pay the bills, and just try to make it through another day.
They aren't stupid. They are just uninformed.
MSNBC says McCain is going to divert focus on the economy by relentlessly attacking Obama's character.
Charlie Cook says McCain has no choice and dismisses Quinnipiac poll as too supportive of Obama.
McCain also voted to cut off funding for the troops in the field, in Somalia, 1993.
Cook says Obama has 260 electoral votes and Obama has 9 states leaning his way, only needs 10 more.
Say I own a Ford dealership. Do I pay Ford for the car before it gets to me and then get the full value of the sale, or do they sell it to me and then get a cut of whatever I get?
When a dealership orders cars from the factory no money changes hands. In general, the finance arm of the manufacturer floats the money for 90 days. If the car is not sold in 90 days, interest accumulates. When the car is sold a sight draft for the cost of the car and any interest is forwarded to the manufacturer. Dealers have 3 working days to do this. If you are behind on the 3 day rule you are considered "out of trust" and you can lose your franchise. Don't ask me how I know this.
trifecta,
I do all that, but I still understand the basic contours of the bailout and the race. But I've always been sort of a news junkie, and thought for a lot of my life I would be a journalist.
When I discovered I had "The Gift™".
Just looking through Mandolin Cafe's classified.
A guy could get a sweet mandolin there - providing they played right handed...
i find it so counterintuitive that such a conservative man isn't embraced by conservatives. But there it is.
george bush has fucked things up so bad, that a white man is having trouble running for president
/chris rock
Steve if you're still here, there are two versions; one from "Learning to Bend" and one from "If You're Gonna Lead My Country . . . " -- which one?
For the 2007 tax year, Todd Palin's self-employment brought him $66,893 in gross receipts — $49,893 from fishing and $17,000 from snowmachine racing. But, the returns show, he claimed so many deductions that he reported only $15,513 net profit from the fishing operation and claimed a $9,639 loss from his racing, leaving him with an overall net income of only $5,874
http://ap.google.com/article/
ALe...z5EVWQD93JEIGO1
is snowmachine racing a business or hobby?
10 more electoral votes that is.
bacon cat!
http://scalzi.com/whatever/?p=1942
10 more electoral votes that is.
Sweet!
I understand Molly. I try to just have empathy for some of these people who are ignorant.
They aren't that interested in the news, so they have enough on their plates to easily avoid the news without trying.
Went to a birthday party last night. Aside from one old couple who will never change, everyone, and I mean everyone, was appalled at Palin's debate performance. And the way she trots out her kids. And don't get them started on the way she held the baby. I really believe the rethugs have just gone too far in believing Americans are stupid. They crossed the line with Palin.
P.S. This even applies to the resident wingnut. No way, no how, no Palin.
george bush has fucked things up so bad, that a white man is having trouble running for president
/chris rock
mogwai
That's the funniest thing I've read in what seems forever!
Thanks, mogwai.
So OJ's going to jail 14 years late.
I was just ruminating this morning that it was 14 years ago today that I walked out on my first spouse and moved in with Thers. Weird.
i noticed the mood-o-meter thingy went down every time she launched into some folksy talk
McCain is resting this week-end. Seriously. No public events. He is back in Arizona taking the week-end off. Not sure if he will do a public event Monday because the debate is Tuesday.
Obama will be in Virginia today, in North Carolina tomorrow holding rallies.
Debate analysis: Palin spoke at 10th-grade level, Biden at eighth
McCain almost always takes weekends off.
OK, I'm off for some breakfast. Enjoy the morning, bats.
Anyone have an estimate at how much "PORK" was added to the bailout in order to get it passed? Last I recall, it was about $100B.
McCain almost always takes weekends off.
Weird.
My wingnut female co-worker was upset about the flirtyness of Palin during the debate. She did not like the winkies, doggone it.
She is still likely to vote McCain, but I think Palin's act is not wearing well.
Pork?
$850 billion
LI,
$110B, last I heard. So $800B altogether.
"Obama will be in Virginia today, in North Carolina tomorrow holding rallies."
heh. mcstunty needs his nappy.
I was just ruminating this morning that it was 14 years ago today that
I walked out on my first spouse and moved in with Thers. Weird.
I was down with the flu (sounds familiar) and NTodd's Pa of all people called to not just check on how I was, but to bitch about the verdict. I was surprised, but she was rather upset by the injustice--she always was sensitive about that shit, and tried avoiding the OJ trial, but even she couldn't avoid it in our oversaturated media space.
McCain almost always takes weekends off.
He's honoring all religions.
Wells Fargo advertising reverse mortgages on MSNBC now.
House as ATM
If anybody wants to birddog the candidates, here's the schedule...
I think Palin's act is not wearing well.
After 8 years of George Bush, I just want someone I can listen to without cringing.
There are letters from 2 idiots in today's American Statesman decrying the 'agressive interrrogation' that she got from Charlie Gibson. The think it's not sporting to just throw her softballs, they also have to help her hit them. And apparently, they haven't even seen the Katie Couric interviews yet, since they didn't address that in the letters. I'm sure they'd characterize her as Torquemada if they did.
Wouldn't it be amazing if NC turned blue? What are the odds, trifecta?
They lathered that necessary wooden arrow bill with pork
Oh, here you are.
Don't see plantsman, so I'll do it.
Bob Herbert knocks Palin out of the park.
And apparently, they haven't even seen the Katie Couric interviews yet, since they didn't address that in the letters.
Probably just editorial delay on the letters. It can take 'em a while to post. Expect indignant followups.
I had a weird take on the OJ thing. I think he was guilty, but it never should have gone to trial.
The evidence should have been tossed. When they went over the wall without a warrant because they "thought OJ might be in danger", it should have been laughed out of court. Furman had a very good reason to think OJ did it. It was a crime of passion, which in over 80% of cases indicates a spurned man, and he had been called to a domestic dispute in the past with OJ and Nicole so he knew that OJ was a domestic batterer.
That means that they needed a warrant. OJ was a suspect, not that bullshit they concocted about them being concerned he was a victim too. It was a bad search. They knew he was the guy. They lied. They didn't want to wait for a warrant because they were afraid he would dump evidence.
i have fond memories of wooden arrows as a kid. it would be a shame if they disappeared. did you know that they explode if you shoot them at a rock wall?
Not stupid. Ignorant and misinformed. Calling everybody stupid really doesn't help effect change.
NTodd, Famous Person
I used to think that - but then I moved to Alaska, speak for yourself dude.
important analysis from your most trusted name in news:
(CNN) -- An analysis carried out by a language monitoring service said Friday that Gov. Sarah Palin spoke at a more than ninth-grade level and Sen. Joseph Biden spoke at a nearly eighth-grade level in Thursday night's debate between the vice presidential candidates.
The analysis by the Austin, Texas-based Global Language Monitor said Palin, governor of Alaska and the GOP vice presidential nominee, used the passive voice in 8 percent of her sentences, far more than the 5 percent used by the Democratic senator from Delaware.
The analysis noted that the "passive voice can be used to deflect responsibility; Biden used active voice when referring to [Vice President Dick] Cheney and [President] Bush; Palin countered with passive deflections."
"It obscures the doer of the action," said Language Monitor President Paul Payack, an independent with no political affiliation.
The two candidates were nearly even in total number of words spoken. The normally voluble Biden restrained his tendency to ramble by uttering just 5,492 words during the 90-minute debate, versus 5,235 for Palin, Payack said.
Aha! Mogwai beat me to it!
Café au lait to you!
I think realistically there is a good 45-50% chance of NC turning blue.
It really depends. McCain has basically ignored the state which has allowed Obama to take a lead. If McCain dumps resources into the state, it will be tougher for Obama to win.
Dontcha love it? Last week the bailout bill was a mere 3 pages long. Now it's 1000+ pages.
The wingnut tried half heartedly to bring up Ifill's book praising Obama. I swatted him down very easily and warned him about believing right wingnut bullshit sent out in emails. Told him to check his sources. He shut up for awhile. Then he tried saying it was unfair for Palin to have to debate Biden because he was so experienced. That was even easier to slap down. He kept quiet after that.
There's a hole in all our buckets.
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Good morning!
My baby is HOME. 
graph #2. this is why the bailout won't save the market. a big fat double top and the 50 is about to cross the 200
http://stockcharts.com/def/servl...et?
obj=ID648573
McCain has basically ignored the state
Good christ, why?
The man is a bigger fool than I thought.
That means that they needed a warrant. OJ was a suspect, not that
bullshit they concocted about them being concerned he was a victim too.
It was a bad search. They knew he was the guy. They lied. They didn't
want to wait for a warrant because they were afraid he would dump
evidence.
Indeed, such cases are interesting and sad examples of cognitive dissonance. They fucked up. And that's what my mom was pissed about: that these bozos couldn't put together a proper case to serve justice.
I used to think that - but then I moved to Alaska, speak for yourself dude.
Yes, well, it's grand that you can dismiss everybody as stupid. Nice way to wash your hands of responsibilty, and not at all elitist.
Yay, TJ!
Does he like college?
Hey Dave, what's more depressing, the economy or Chicago baseball?
trifecta, I agree.
Son is phone banking today from chapel hill. They have tons and tons of volunteers, so that is good, but you're right, if McCain started sending more resources here, he'd be doing much better.
My baby is HOME.
YAY!!!
he tried saying it was unfair for Palin to have to debate Biden because he was so experienced.
Indeed, it is unfair for Biden to have to debate such an inexperienced, unqualified person to be a 72yo heartbeat away from the presidency.
Oh Dear God.
Sarah Palin is merely another way to piss off liberals.
It scares me that it may be as simple as that, but why? Why does it scare me now, when these lying psychopaths have had control for the last (God only knows) years, and we can almost see the end in sight?
Frightening, really.
I think the OJ trial was winnable for the prosecution, despite all the mistakes and misconduct by the police. I think that such mistakes and misconduct are extremely common, but most people accused of a crime don't have enough money to spend on defense lawyers to exploit those weaknesses.
Even then, the prosecution had a decent collection of evidence, but they screwed up the presentation and didn't stop Fuhrman from lying, and didn't call Johnny Cochran on the fact that wet leather shrinks. I think OJ got away with murder, but in a weird way, he's finally getting punished.
An analysis carried out by a language monitoring service said Friday that Gov. Sarah Palin spoke at a more than ninth-grade level and Sen. Joseph Biden spoke at a nearly eighth-grade level in Thursday night's debate between the vice presidential candidates.
Really?
if McCain started sending more resources here, he'd be doing much better.
He's getting outspent almost 3:1 nationwide by Obama. Ain't got the resources, which is why he's pulling out of MI. So sad.
He loves college and he is very happy.
He has joined just about every intramural sport you can think of (basketball, flag football, frisbee, disc golf) so he is very fit and having a great time.
Says his classes are going well. We'll see.
doggone it is a 9th grade term. My goodness. Also.
But the passive voice isn't a marker of mature writing (or speech). It's a marker of a refusal to identify responsibility and cause.
I take issue with the designation of passive constructions as aimed at a more mature level.
And yes, I am a professional. (Really!)
Sen. John McCain and his Republican allies are readying a newly aggressive assault on Sen. Barack Obama's character, believing that to win in November they must shift the conversation back to questions about the Democrat's judgment, honesty and personal associations, several top Republicans said.
With just a month to go until Election Day, McCain's team has decided that its emphasis on the senator's biography as a war hero, experienced lawmaker and straight-talking maverick is insufficient to close a growing gap with Obama. The Arizonan's campaign is also eager to move the conversation away from the economy, an issue that strongly favors Obama and has helped him to a lead in many recent polls.
"We're going to get a little tougher," a senior Republican operative said, indicating that a fresh batch of television ads is coming. "We've got to question this guy's associations. Very soon. There's no question that we have to change the subject here," said the operative, who was not authorized to discuss strategy and spoke on the condition of anonymity.
Being so aggressive has risks for McCain if it angers swing voters, who often say they are looking for candidates who offer a positive message about what they will do. That could be especially true this year, when frustration with Washington politics is acute and a desire for specifics on how to fix the economy and fight the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan is strong.
shorter: the truth ain't workin' so it's mud slingin' time!
Molly, McCain has ignored NC because his team figured that it would go back to voting GOP like it typically does. The problem is that the state is trending very purple.
If Obama and McCain both ignored NC, it likely would be pro-McCain. Obama is forcing McCain to have to defend it now.
NTodd, I realized that I had misspelled pritsky, so I resent my email. You should have it now.
So sad.
Yeah.
(throws confetti, pops champagne)
basketball, flag football, frisbee, disc golf
Great Palin baby names
So sad.
NTodd, Famous Person
Yeah, I'm weeping as I type.
Not.
But NC has both a significant AA population and a huge college town. Why would they assume it would go red?
good morning.
36 degrees here, do you think it's time to shut the windows at night???
as for OJ--i managed to avoid the media circus, and it made my dad, who lives for tv, very mad. once, when i was out visiting cali & he had in on tv, i went outside. he loudly criticized me for not "caring about the trial of the century."
that is the one good thing about the 2000 election: my dad and i were able to bond 'cause he was visiting me & my new baby when hanging chads were all over the tv, and for once, i was a glued to the set as he was, and really appreciated his much greater knowledge of history in explaining to me who all the minor characters were.
whew! opening run-on. i guess i should run for vp. or run, oj, run.
p.s. was there some new oj trial?
"Frisbee! Clean up your room!"
I used to think that - but then I moved to Alaska, speak for yourself dude.
Yes, well, it's grand that you can dismiss everybody as stupid. Nice way to wash your hands of responsibilty, and not at all elitist.
NTodd, Famous Person
And you've got the fix??? Fat chance - the reality is that most folks could get themselves up to speed if they had any desire - and I'm not going to hold their hand. I was just listening to Touch the World (an old tape rescued from my storage bin) - remember them; where is the money? You can rationalize all you want about why folks are out of the loop and not looking after their interests: they're overworked, the media, propoganda, lack of education, ....and on and on. At some point the reality is - they ARE STUPID.
Apparent, for McCain, just slinging normal shit isn't doing the job, so he's feeding diseased yaks rotten carcasses to generate nastier stinkier shit to sling.
ina,
Yeah. Convicted of armed robbery.
But NC has both a significant AA population and a huge college town. Why would they assume it would go red?
Molly Ivors
They have to do it. McCain has money problems. If he is spending money defending North Carolina, he is fucked.
Every dollar here, can't be used in Pennsylvania, Colorado, Ohio.
He might as well pack in PA. He's lost it.
Steve if you're still here, there are two versions; one from "Learning to Bend" and one from "If You're Gonna Lead My Country . . . " -- which one?
V for Virginia, fatigued
The latter, although they might be the same... I have the one from IYGLMC
So being ignorant is better than being stupid. Where does being an racist asshole that doesn't give a shit about anything more than immediate personal gratification fit on the spectrum?
Boobies?
Seriously, I had my fundie bro who lives in PA up here last weekend. The official reason was that the kids wanted a playdate, but really he just wanted to vent about McCain and Palin.
If they've lost him, they've lost the state.
Why would they assume it would go red?
Molly Ivors
It's full of shitkickers and bible beaters. Big chunks of it are just like SC, as far as I can tell. Of course, it's the What's the Matter with Kansas problem all over again, because they are voting against their economic self-interest, but there you have it.
trifecta, this will be so cool -- in a couple months we may be able to say we live in a blue state!
Really?
Falstaff | 10.04.08 - 8:14 am | #
An excerpt of Palin's "9th grade level" answer on global warming:
"...there is somethin' to be said also for man's activities but also for the cyclical temperature changes on our planet but there are real changes goin' on in our climate..."
"...what I wanna argue about is how're we gonna get there to positively affect the impacts..."
Where does being an racist asshole that doesn't give a shit about anything more than immediate personal gratification fit on the spectrum?
That's most of the republicans I know, Moe.
Don't forget: Tina tonight.
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People are just too stressed and too busy. Perhaps if they had six weeks of vacation like the Germans have it would be different. Most people are lucky to get a couple of weeks.
BTW, good morning.
He might as well pack in PA. He's lost it.
I think I might celebrate that almost as much as I'd celebrate when he winds on November 4th.
her global warming answer was pathetic
"...what I wanna argue about is how're we gonna get there to positively affect the impacts..."
See, that's gibberish, not writing at a higher level.
There's something to be said for clarity.
TJ - received. Back to you soon!
i won't count on pa until i see it
We mainly have rural swatches of red, with very deep blue cities.
Asheville is so blue it ain't funny. People I know from California are amazed when I discuss what Asheville is like.
Organic food, drum circles, peace marches, an african american mayor in a majority white city.
This is not the NC that people think of in stereotypes.
My work schedule is more open than a lot of people's, but I generally teach summers and don't get tons of time off.
So being ignorant is better than being stupid. Where does being an
racist asshole that doesn't give a shit about anything more than
immediate personal gratification fit on the spectrum?
Why do you have to put him on a spectrum? He's a racist. Smart, informed people can be racists, too.
But at least if somebody's merely ignorant, they can potentially be educated. We have to operate from that assumption, otherwise there's no point in doing a fucking thing about anything, whether it be healthcare, fighting against war, or reversing global climate change. And that's a copout.
Parts of NC are pretty progressive. Along with the college towns, the Raleigh area has a lot of high tech people, Charlotte is like a mini-Atlanta with a ton of banking and even Asheville in the mountains is historically pretty liberal.
sort of OT, my dad has flown up for the weekend. we have not been close the past 10 years b/c of his substance abuse problems, but he is recently single, sober, and was in a very bad motorcycle accident and wanted to visit.
anyway, my dad has been a liberal atheist hippie my whole life. He has been listening to talk radio and I am having to disabuse him of all kinds of nonsense. Part of it, seriously, is I think his brain is fried with drugs and the accident, but part of it is I think he is listening to these wackos all day long at work (not Rush, some other bozo).
we've got to figure out a way to counteract the talk radio mess.
Steve they were identical in length so I just picked the first one.
It's giving me chills.
See, that's gibberish, not writing at a higher level.
Complete gibberish. Basically she stood up there and regurgitated everything she memorized. Her answers were nothing but run-on sentences peppered with keywords and talking points.
This is not the NC that people think of in stereotypes.
trifecta |
I'm in Carrboro. We are a little liberal oasis.
TJ -- so glad the kid is doing great, but I'm not surprised -- he had a helluva foundation to launch from.
Nice to see him, though, I know!
"i won't count on pa until i see it"
i am pleasantly shocked to see the campaign sign wars are about equal in this area.(about 30 miles east of state college)
So being ignorant is better than being stupid. Where does being an racist asshole that doesn't give a shit about anything more than immediate personal gratification fit on the spectrum?
Moe Szyslak
Moe - I think you missed the point, unless of course you are addressing some one else. I don't think I mentioned race. Indeed, based on my experience the folks in Harlem have a much better political analysis than the folks downtown. In short - you're full of shit.
?But the passive voice isn't a marker of mature writing (or speech). It's a marker of a refusal to identify responsibility and cause.
This means that the abusers that take no responsibility and truly cannot see that they bear any fault, and the abused who have no esteem, and are not allowed to take any responsibility, or believe they are to useless to write and speak in the passive voice?
Okay, my dad's here. Gotta run. Have a good one!
Molly did you see the Palin Debate Flowchart?
Nails it.
VforVirginia -- thank you. I adore him. And it was so nice to see my boys together. Jared's smile about split his face open he was so happy to see his big bro.
But at least if somebody's merely ignorant, they can potentially be educated. We have to operate from that assumption, otherwise there's no point in doing a fucking thing about anything, whether it be healthcare, fighting against war, or reversing global climate change. And that's a copout.
NTodd, Famous Person
Well, I agree with you, sorta. Really, I think it's an existential exercise-- we have to *act as if* your assumption is correct. But what if the American society is so broken that people are unreachable? There's a good possibility, imho, that a perhaps majority of Americans aren't ignorant or stupid, but that they're actually mean-spirited and don't give a shit about the future, either for their own kids or for humanity generally.
Like I say, work as if that's not the case. But if it is, well, that's another conversation.
jdw are you on 45 or 192? did you check out elk creek brew pub? out that was is hippie land-where i grew up. : )
Brrrr!
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are you visiting or are you living out there?
But at least if somebody's merely ignorant, they can potentially be educated. We have to operate from that assumption, otherwise there's no point in doing a fucking thing about anything, whether it be healthcare, fighting against war, or reversing global climate change. And that's a copout.
NTodd, Famous Person
And what will motivate them to listen to you??
i am pleasantly shocked to see the campaign sign wars are about equal in this area.(about 30 miles east of state college)
And yet the campaign wars here are between local Dems and the BO campaign. (about 80 miles west)
47°F outside... today's high? 83.
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Funny, there were about 6 McCain/Palin signs down on the corner from us.
They were all gone yesterday morning.
jdw -- signage doesn't mean much. The campaign is having a helluva time keeping them around -- when they get a shipment they're gone in minutes. They've decided to focus spending on advertising and ground game, since signs don't do much of anything to get votes.
It's really frustrating for the folks who want to show their support (camelot will tell you!), and we explain that about 100 times a day.
my area is pretty red(12 miles west) but i do see obama signs.
we've got to figure out a way to counteract the talk radio mess.
TJ, pissed-off commune founder
I call it the poison drip. In the beginning they say they tune in because it's funny and entertaining. But a year or two goes by, and pretty soon a completely normal middle of the road American suddenly starts railing against liberals and lazy minorities with the same tropes you hear the rest of them use.
47°F outside... today's high? 83
Sounds like Michigan, except the low temp is around 15°F too high.
Jared's smile about split his face open he was so happy to see his big bro.
TJ, pissed-off commune founder
Wow, awesome timing. That's gotta help.
if anyone gets to this area check out elk creek pub
http://www.elkcreekcafe.net/
congresspeople threatened with martial law unless they passed bailout:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g...Nm6hoBXc&
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Last year - mid October I went salmon fishing. The temp when I arrived was 88°F, and I ran the air condo in the trailer most of the evening.
By morning it was 33°F, and by lunch it was spitting snow.
what if the American society is so broken that people are unreachable?
There's a good possibility, imho, that a perhaps majority of Americans
aren't ignorant or stupid, but that they're actually mean-spirited and
don't give a shit about the future, either for their own kids or for
humanity generally.
Generational battle. Look at what conservatives did in the wake of Goldwater. Now it's our turn. Ain't gonna break consumerist habits, corporatism, apathy, greed, laziness, etc, in one swell foop.
Just remember, it took time to rid ourselves of slavery, invest women with suffrage, follow through on the promise of civil rights, etc. Persistence and the dawning of reality (e.g., end of "free" natural resources) will potentially overcome the obstacles of obstinance and cognitive dissonance. There's still time to deal with larger issues of global climate change and people all on their own are coming to the conclusion it's real and something must be done, so half the battle's won there.
Longer term it will be more difficult to demilitarize our society and whatnot, but we'll most likely deal with that over time because most likely we'll survive our current crisis. Crisis is a crucible for change. Look at what eventually came out of conflagrations like the Civil War, WWI, WWII...
But what if the American society is so broken that people are unreachable? There's a good possibility, imho, that a perhaps majority of Americans aren't ignorant or stupid, but that they're actually mean-spirited and don't give a shit about the future, either for their own kids or for humanity generally.
Moe
I don't think it's not giving a shit, exactly. I think part of it is the extremely low expectations set by the current cretin-in-chief, and the general degradation of entertainment to the point that people are just hammered by these meaningless competition shows and the importance of celebrity and likeability. Why people think they want Someone Like Me (who has no relevant experience or insight into the complexities of governance in this age) is an absolute mystery to me, but these folks aren't like me in most respects.
Also, as trifect said, it's hard for a lot of people to expend the energy it takes to keep up with what's going on at a very deep level.
I have to say, though, that I'm dismayed by the fact that she is popular, even among stupid or ignorant people. I mean, SERIOUSLY?
Curly's looking up at the outside wall, where the sunshine is landing... "Hey, you! Get down here!"
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Here's McSpain talking about Palin's performance in the debate.
One more HHEEEEHHH!!! and he's going to have to change his Depends (clip is real short).
And what will motivate them to listen to you??
Nothing. You're right. You may continue to feel smug as you fiddle while Rome burns.
Sarah Palin's genital warts tried to kill Dean Winchester from Supernatural
Just remember, it took time to rid ourselves of slavery, invest women with suffrage, follow through on the promise of civil rights, etc. Persistence and the dawning of reality (e.g., end of "free" natural resources) will potentially overcome the obstacles of obstinance and cognitive dissonance. There's still time to deal with larger issues of global climate change and people all on their own are coming to the conclusion it's real and something must be done, so half the battle's won there.
Yeah right, and who??? is going to do this? NBC, ABC or CNN?
the poison drip -- that's it. exactly.
well, everybody is stirring. we're going out for breakfast. see you all later.
At this point, the signs would just appease and keep the tenuous votes of these conservative Democrats.
It is a transition from the past to the future, and of course some are struggling more than others.
BO does have a flyer that opens up into a sign for your window.
We are opening up another office today, (It is finally a local county office)but there first request from me: signs.
You sound like Sarah, answer the question.....
err..
You sound like Sarah, answer the question.
And what will motivate them to listen to you??
Nothing. You're right. You may continue to feel smug as you fiddle while Rome burns.
NTodd, Famous Person
Nothing. You're right. You may continue to feel smug as you fiddle while Rome burns.
NTodd, Famous Person | Homepage | 10.04.08 - 8:38 am
I know, huh. Poop jokes and Ralph Nader will save the day, right?
I know, huh. Poop jokes and Ralph Nader will save the day, right?
Tom - 大肚腩
Tom, glad to see you've been working on you're debating skills. No doubt you'll go far. Hmmm...
Yeah right, and who??? is going to do this? NBC, ABC or CNN?
Clearly you're not. You've already written off the population as stupid.
Good morning.
You may continue to feel smug as you fiddle while Rome burns.
NTodd, Famous Person
Whew! I was afraid I was out of options.
The revolution will not be televised.
are just hammered by these meaningless competition shows and the importance of celebrity and likeability.
Please do not forget all of the 'Judge Judy' type shows. Some (the elderly) watch these shows all day. Of course, as soon as they go to the PO, or grocery store they are looking to prove their skills at 'winning the case.'
or, events overtake us.
Yeah right, and who??? is going to do this? NBC, ABC or CNN?
Clearly you're not. You've already written off the population as stupid.
NTodd, Famous Person
I have, and I'll stick to that premis. But then, have you got a solution that will educate the masses? Teach them what they are missing? I'm listening - cause I don't think you do.
The US government is cutting its funding for the supply of contraceptives to family planning clinics run by Marie Stopes International in Africa, alleging that it condones forced abortions in China.
MSI has categorically denied that it supports forced abortions or coercive sterilisation in China or anywhere else in the world, and says that the actions of the Bush government will result in more abortions in Africa, as women will be unable to get contraceptives and will end up with unwanted pregnancies.
One of George Bush's first acts after becoming president was to stop all US funds to foreign organisations that helped women in any way to get an abortion, including providing advice. The UN Population Fund (UNFPA) lost $34m that Congress had appropriated for it in 2002.
I know, huh. Poop jokes and Ralph Nader will save the day, right?
BINGO!
If they've lost him, they've lost the state.
Molly Ivors
uh-oh
Tom, glad to see you've been working on you're debating skills. No doubt you'll go far. Hmmm...
CityKid (the Cubs will win - s | Homepage | 10.04.08 - 8:42 am
"one of our teams" is about to claim the Presidency of the United States. and it's not you.
So if you're talking about getting 'er done, well look in the mirror, cuz you're the one just sitting at the side bitching at all of the people doing the heavy pulling for not pulling hard enough to keep your lazy ass satisfied.
Kvetching at people here ain't gonna get Nader elected, so if that's what you really want, go find someplace that actually is working to get him elected.
But then, have you got a solution that will educate the masses? Teach
them what they are missing? I'm listening - cause I don't think you do.
If only there were some place where people could talk about such things.
Anyway, it's great that you'll keep trying nothing. Good on ya!
most likely we'll survive our current crisis. Crisis is a crucible for change.
I would still like those responsible for creating the crisis to take responsibility and pay for their actions.
That means I haven't moved on and am still looking for life to be fair. A personality disorder, I am sure.
Probably a rerun here, but worth a second look: Michael Berubé:
At dinner that night, after the debate about debates, I suggested to my Belmont hosts that it was part of a 30-year culture-war experiment: just as George W. Bush made us nostalgic for the wit and wisdom of Ronald Reagan, so too, in her time, would President Palin make us long for the sagacity and statecraft of George W. Bush.
But then a non-imaginary interlocutor said a most interesting thing. (It was a dinner for twelve people, and I didn’t catch his name, or I’d tell you.) He pointed out that the right-wing culture war against pointy-headed intellectuals does not extend to the judiciary. On the contrary, he said, it’s as if they’re willing to run a cephalopod and a bag of hammers for the executive branch (I don’t think these were his exact words), but they actually recruit and train all their intellectual firepower for the courts (those were pretty much his exact words). And, of course, he’s right: Scalia, Alito, Roberts—these are all graduates from Pointyheaded Liberal Elite Law School, Evil Genius Division, and the glaring exception, Clarence Thomas, was a Palinesque conservative-affirmative-action fuck-you payback for the rejection of Elitist Evil Genius Robert Bork.
And the right-wing noise machine got the memo, too: witness the fact that everyone on the right, even down to bottom-feeding shriekers like Michelle Malkin, duly took up their torches and pitchforks when Bush nominated Harriet Miers. I was wrong, I realize now, to have called Palin Harriet Miers 2.0. Because Harriet Miers was ridden out of town on a rail, in a matter of days, by many of the same people who are now digging in, doubling down, and rooting hard for Palin against the mocking liberal elites. When it comes to the highest court in the land, these right-wing hacks don’t put up with no second- and third-stringers.
Interesting point, no? I wish I’d made it myself.
Sheets
So if you're talking about getting 'er done, well look in the mirror, cuz you're the one just sitting at the side bitching at all of the people doing the heavy pulling for not pulling hard enough to keep your lazy ass satisfied.
Well, I don't recall mentioning Nader??? And exactly what is it that "we" or you rather are "getting done." Seems to me you're blowing smoke. But I could be wrong. Then again, if it makes you feel good - DO IT.
have you got a solution that will educate the masses? Teach them what they are missing?
Why is this any more difficult than creating the atmosphere that stifled thought, and curiousity?
Anyway, it's great that you'll keep trying nothing. Good on ya!
NTodd, Famous Person
That's kind of presumptive on your part. But then, I'm happy with what I do.
But then, I'm happy with what I do.
CityKid (the Cubs will win - s | Homepage | 10.04.08 - 8:50 am
Definitely seem quite smug with yourself.
And how many times do you need to mention Nader, if not this particular time, huh? Or have you given up on Ralph too? just a nihilist defeatist at heart?
he right-wing culture war against pointy-headed intellectuals does not extend to the judiciary. On the contrary
the owner-class only needs a few smart people; the rest are just serf/slaves to the owner-class - loyalty is more important than ability, that's an evolutionary hurdle we have yet to overcome
Kidding aside, NTodd is correct about the generational nature of struggle.
My very clever nephew, a year from starting college, has read a political book I gave him, and evinced a further interest in political material. I now have a chance to offer up books and documentaries.
When I visit, I can make sure he's included in the inevitable political arguments that come on family holidays.
I can try to do my best to offer a firm, reasoned vision of a better future for him to consider.
There's so much to pick and choose from to work for a better tomorrow. This is one I feel a duty to perform.
That's kind of presumptive on your part. But then, I'm happy with what I do.
Given you've offered only "people are stupid", it's an easy assumption to make. Why don't you share what you do so we can talk about constructive solutions, then, if you don't like my presumption? Sadly, in my experience when people go for that retort, it generally means they're defensive about what they aren't doing...
Steve if you're still here, there are two versions; one from "Learning to Bend" and one from "If You're Gonna Lead My Country . . . " -- which one?
V for Virginia, fatigued | 10.04.08 - 7:58 am | #
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The 'preview' sounds the same, the time is the same... also check out "It's Not Impossible", too.
And how many times do you need to mention Nader, if not this particular time, huh? Or have you given up on Ralph too? just a nihilist defeatist at heart?
Tom - 大肚腩 |
I have not mentioned Nader for quite some time here. If you want me to I will, because I have a hell of lot more respect for him than either of the major party candidates and their running mates. I did mention last night how the were busy tripping over each other, foreign policy aside, to "saddle" up to Israel.
Given you've offered only "people are stupid", it's an easy assumption to make. Why don't you share what you do so we can talk about constructive solutions, then, if you don't like my presumption? Sadly, in my experience when people go for that retort, it generally means they're defensive about what they aren't doing...
NTodd, Famous Person
I don't think there are any "constructive" solutions. In reality, I think folks might come around when they have a hard time feeding their families. The light for me went on when I was in Egypt and watched people picking the "greens" for their dinners out of sewage ditches. I grew up in a town where all but a few manufacturing jobs are now gone - the folks that lost their jobs are still "wingers." I have no answers save for labor organizing and soup kitchens.
...and how do you organize labor when they have not had a job for a couple of years?
Good morning, all. The leaves are turning here in central OH. In spite of the leaf raking I do love autumn's vibrancy.
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Good morning, all. The leaves are turning here in central OH. In spite of the leaf raking I do love autumn's vibrancy.
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Sparkle Plenty
Reminds me of a Letterman joke. "I love autumn in LA - watching the birds change color and fall from the trees."
Deep Thought: Barack Obama is merely another way to piss off Conservatives.
Yeah, and with good reason to tick liberals off.
I'm in Carrboro. We are a little liberal oasis.
Ah,yes...the People's Republic of Carrboro...one of my favourite things about having lived in NC. It provided a fine counterpoint to the nearby town of Stepford, or, rather, Cary. Not that I lived in Cary, of course...I didn't have enough beige paint to qualify.
Since my wife was attending grad school at Duke, we lived in Durham, which is so blue that the Republicans didn't even run candidates at the state level in 2002, the last year I lived there. The Democratic primary is, in essence, the election. Not that this helps with the Senate, of course. (If you've never read it, I would recommend you pick up a copy of Paul Luebke's "Tar Heel Politics", which attempts to answer everyone's first question concerning NC: how the hell did Jesse Helms ever get elected even once, let alone for decades?)
Apparently, the Triangle region of NC has the highest per capita level of PhDs in the US. This doesn't necessarily translate into Democratic votes -- while working at RTP, I met a shocking number of right-wing, racist rednecks with graduate degrees -- but it helps. Outside of the Triangle, the Triad, Asheville, and Charlotte, however, the state is something out of "Deliverance"...
see video: OJ Simpson GUILTY of All Charges
Ah, but only if they win!
As it looks now, she's a gift!
"Deep Thought: Sarah Palin is merely another way to piss off liberals"
Absol-friggin-lutely. That's what their MO is all about. Notice the Gooper smirk when the words "Democrat Party" are spat out like a fur ball.
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