HULK SMASH!!!
..and then it keeps on keeping on.
Then Kodos eats the remaining super delegates and there is much rejoicing!
Then Obama is the nominee. And our long national nightmare is over.
Arbitrary compromises are awesome!
We don't make anyone happy, don't solve anything, and just make it official that rules are optional when inconvenient.
This will not have any repercussions in future primaries, I'm sure.
voters rule!
pretty kooky.
And it's over.
Not a chance!!
Fuck What's-his-name!
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"I can't wait until Hillary takes it to the convention"-John McCain to Vicki Iseman in episode 253 of what Cindy doesn't know won't hurt her
Ms. Clinton will protest this decision at the credentials committee and next attempt to get an injunction.
those crazies in the back chantging denver denver denver....
ya gotta love the democratic process and the Democratic process.
Ob did a goodie hiding his church departure on the weekend. but it will get some gas tomorrow from the gasbags.
And It's Over
+24 net for Clinton.
and then?
Get her out of the Senate?
+24 net for Clinton
Does someone need a diet?
BONGOS!
AND CAT!
.
Obama may declare victory here on Tuesday.
Its not really a party till the beer and pizza arrive anyway.
I've had Girl Scout leaders like that woman.
So, plus 24 for HRC, but where does that leave the cumulative totals?
What just happened
Ms. Clinton will protest this decision at the credentials committee and next attempt to get an injunction.
shawk
Cool. Legal drama.
*gets popcorn*
"And it's over.
Not a chance!!
"
You're right. Hil and Bill just want to keep dragging us over the coals through June. Their statemanship is ... staggering.
"Hegel remarks somewhere that all great world-historic facts and personages appear, so to speak, twice. He forgot to add: the first time as tragedy, the second time as farce.""
Its not really a party till the beer and pizza arrive anyway.
We have a nonna maria, thin crust pie with sausage and olives.
Iced tea. No beer.
So, plus 24 for HRC, but where does that leave the cumulative totals?
Obama was ahead by ~250, or so. So not much difference.
19 in favor, 8 opposed, no abstentions re: Michigan.
Tomorrow we return to McClellan's book. The Republicans are the opposition.
19 in favor, 8 opposed, no abstentions re: Michigan.
Vicki, Who ♥ Al Gore | Homepage | 05.31.08 - 7:16 pm | #
So Michigan will get half votes?
What does this do to the number needed to nominate. And how far away from that is Obama?
The Republicans are the opposition.
The Republicans and people who supported Clinton.
Remember, there are three parties now.
K19 in favor, 8 opposed, no abstentions re: Michigan.
This hints at the fact that we are more united than some would like us to be.
So good to tear the party apart for that.
Oh wait, how many "popular votes" does she get for that made-up metric she uses?
*gets popcorn*
Gomez |
Nachos for the game tonight.
Less to paper over.
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obama has resigned from his church, reminding me of my concern. that under pressure, he will fold like an origami swan.
i'm not sure that is worse than clinton's reaction to pressure, which was the opposite.
sigh. i know i'm not being fair. but just "beating mccain" isn't good enough for me. i mean it is mccain, for god's sake. there is no way in hell any republican - especially mccain - should beat any democrat this year. it doesn't matter which one. the race is independant of the contenders.
re: people in rafters shouting "McCain, McCain"...
I bet Hillary would hate to be the new Ralph Nader.
Just a guess.
So FLA won't be seated but Michigan's will?
About HRC:
"Men [Women] make their own history, but they do not make it as they please; they do not make it under self-selected circumstances, but under circumstances existing already, given and transmitted from the past."
Her past is not even past.
It's over! Obama has the lead. Wheww.
Hey look, Josh Marshall has another Lanny Davis blooper up!
So good to tear the party apart for that.
Don't be blue. People like a good purging.
Michigan's delegates will be seated at 69 Clinton/59 Obama - a half vote each.
Maybe I'll still be proven wrong, but it seemed clear to me that the only outcome that Hillary would accept today is seating all of FL and MI as-is. And of course that was never going to happen, because it's completely indefensible - practically, logically and legally.
So necessarily, any compromise was not going to end the in-fighting. Given that's the case, they should've stuck to principle and let their original decision not to seat the delegates, stick.
There will probably just be a replay of this with the Credentials Committee.
Looks like Obama wins.
Fivethirtyeight.com is a pretty solid resource for votes allocated/needed, etc.
"Men [Women] make their own history, but they do not make it as they please; they do not make it under self-selected circumstances, but under circumstances existing already, given and transmitted from the past."
Everybody's got baggage?
Get her out of the Senate?
Why? She's popular in NY and does good for her state...
Well I guess that's that then.
we should let donna brazile choose. she's black AND a woman.
Clinton + 52G pop vote!
http://
www.realclearpolitics.com...vote_count.html
(Remember, in a close race like this, it's all about the superdelegates, right?)
Wow. Never thought I'd see the day when Dems use Puke tactics of 2000. Utterly fucking amazing.
Fuck the popular will of the people.
Fuck 2 of the biggest electoral states.
Fuck the convention and the right to fight for the nomination there.
Join the Cult of Personality or fuck off...
and then?
And then???
(Heh-heh)
And then ALONG CAME JONES!!!
Looks like Obama wins.
NTodd, Pink Poseur
ITS NOT OVER!!!
WAS IT OVER WHEN THE GERMANS BOMBED PEARL HARBOR???
Obama's new magic number: 64?
Easily doable.
And then ALONG CAME JONES!!!
Indiana Jones?
Looks like Obama wins.
NTodd, Pink Poseur
We knew this May 6. Gave McCombober a month head start.
Given that's the case, they should've stuck to principle and let their original decision not to seat the delegates, stick.
That's exactly my feeling.
And the irony here in Michigan is that the Dem leaders moved the primary up, in part, to aid Hillary Clinton. Instead, this tactic hurt her.
obama has resigned from his church, reminding me of my concern. that under pressure, he will fold like an origami swan.
Ooooh, sorry, no.
It's "he will fold like cheap patio furniture."
Please make a note of it!
Noron looks like a lemon
"Wow. Never thought I'd see the day when Dems use Puke tactics of 2000."
Elias, are you refering to the Brooks Brothers Riot of 2000? And to what do you refer presently?
Join the Cult of Personality or fuck off...
Elias | Homepage | 05.31.08 - 7:20 pm | #
oh please please,,,,, do the latter will ya
WAS IT OVER WHEN THE GERMANS BOMBED PEARL HARBOR???
7 years of Bush down the drain. Might as well join the fucking Peace Corps.
I'm surprised the actually decided to partially seat MI.
WAS IT OVER WHEN THE GERMANS BOMBED PEARL HARBOR???
He's on a roll...
Heh. Manny Ramirez predicts home run #500 will be an inside the park job.
That would require a collision resulting in three unconscious outfielders
It's "he will fold like cheap patio furniture."
Please make a note of it!
dave™©
Plastic patio furniture is much better.
Why? She's popular in NY and does good for her state...
I'm not saying I want her out of the Senate. I'm saying that if she is as dangerous as people here say she is, she should be driven out of the Senate.
Obama's new magic number: 64?
He'll have it by Tuesday.
Indiana Jones?
Kids!
New magic number is 2118, Gomez. Obama needs 22 Super Delegates, according to Chuck Todd.
but it seemed clear to me that the only outcome that Hillary would accept today is seating all of FL and MI as-is.
perhaps we should allow her to express her opinion before assigning one to her.
I'm surprised the actually decided to partially seat MI.
Vicki, Who ♥ Al Gore
Some of their delegates have really big asses.
Given that's the case, they should've stuck to principle and let their original decision not to seat the delegates, stick.
That seemed like the thing to do to me.
The story's not written yet.
We knew this May 6. Gave McCombober a month head start.
It's not really a race like that. He's still not raising money, and the party is perfectly capable of targeting him even now (as Obama is doing), raising money, and nailing his ass after the traditional start of the General. The handwringing about ending this strikes me as a bit silly.
my plastic pation furniture does not fold.
Wrong, meat puppet.
Clinton's vote claim doesn't add up
Suck. It. Jive. Ass.
Wow. Never thought I'd see the day when Dems use Puke tactics of 2000. Utterly fucking amazing.
That is either utterly naive or even assier than the norm.
...perhaps we should allow her to express her opinion before assigning one to her.
Nah, we ain't gonna be doing that.
A WITCH! A WITCH!! BURN HER!!!
Ladies and gentlemen, the Dem nominee, Barack Obama*.
*Half of MI and FL not included.
I dunno. Rachel sez it ain't over.
handwringing about ending this strikes me as a bit silly.
NTodd, Pink Poseur
I agree. The '08 Democratic primary race was not well played.
Or maybe it was.
A WITCH! A WITCH!! BURN HER!!!
dave™© |
that isn't her nose. it's a false one.
Clinton's vote claim doesn't add up
Suck. It. Jive. Ass.
Pretty much since last week Obama's had the pop vote edge, too.
It's not really a race like that. He's still not raising money, and the party is perfectly capable of targeting him even now (as Obama is doing), raising money, and nailing his ass after the traditional start of the General. The handwringing about ending this strikes me as a bit silly.
This makes good sense. I agree completely.
Namestealer?
I dunno. Rachel sez it ain't over.
A. Morphous | 05.31.08 - 7:25 pm | #
but she wears a scarf.
...perhaps we should allow her to express her opinion before assigning one to her.
Party pooper.
Haven't blogwhored in a while, but what the hell:
Geraldine Ferraro, Hero to Reagan Democrats (and closet racists)
Help a poor blogger reach his life's goal of 150,000 hits by the end of this month.
Elias, don't you think Obama might have gotten votes in Michigan if his name had been on the ballot?
The Dems new motto:
"One Person, One/Half a Vote!"
I'm surprised the actually decided to partially seat MI.
Miami edges Missouri 6-5.
*Half of MI and FL not included.
Where were you when the rules were announced? There is no surprise in what is going on here. None. Perhaps you need to oil your outrage meter.
I see increasing numbers of Democrats and increasing passion on the part of voters.
What the hell is wrong with that?
Hating on each other is just shortsighted.
After 7.5 years of these warmongers, giving us plenty to hate, I find it odd to hate another Democrat.
Even if the Obama camp had concede everything to HRC, it wouldn't matter. The SD's are about to close out the nomination.
If the Clintons want to keep on fighting, fine, but they'll have to pay for it out of their own pockets.
This whole kabuki is about leverage and money. It's over.
Obama's leaving Trinity?
Does that mean he transfers somewhere else, Washington maybe?
Far out.
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Elias, don't you think Obama might have gotten votes in Michigan if his name had been on the ballot?
~~~~~~~~~
Gee whiz. There's one way to find out. But that ship has sailed, so it doesn't matter anymore...
Does this mean MI and FL delegates have to sit on stools? Folding chairs?
dammit i've been liveblogging downstairs....
I'd seat all of Florida but make them vote with butterfly ballots.
Hating on each other is just shortsighted.
Sure, but what else is there to do while we sit here typing?
And the irony here in Michigan is that the Dem leaders moved the primary up, in part, to aid Hillary Clinton.
Vicki, coming from you, that is pretty disappointing.
You guys have jumped the freaking shark.
Make their chads hang for sure
Obama's leaving Trinity?
Does that mean he transfers somewhere else, Washington maybe?
he's converting to islam. happily, he doesn't have to pick a new name or the ballots would all have to be reprinted.
(disclaimer: this is snark)
Hey aangus!
Does this mean MI and FL delegates have to sit on stools? Folding chairs?
They have to stand on one foot.
Detroit's goals should only count half too.
When in doubt . . . smoke a pole.
Does this mean MI and FL delegates have to sit on stools? Folding chairs?
Each others' laps.
Does this mean MI and FL delegates have to sit on stools? Folding chairs?
Pogo sticks.
Does that mean he transfers somewhere else, Washington maybe?
The Mormons have been knocking on his door.
I guess Elias doesn't care about NH and SC voters.
Isn't Ickes the guy who keeps losing in NC?
You guys have jumped the freaking sh--
Buh-bye. Enjoy that buffet in Killfile.
I'd seat all of Florida but make them sit on butterfly ballots.
There now.
Pretty much since last week Obama's had the pop vote edge, too.
~~~~~~~~~~
We'll really never know without actual primaries in MI and FLA, right? And that's the whole crux of the issue, we'll never know for sure.
You guys have jumped the freaking shark.
pie, you know us better than that.
(I didn't see the gravatar, so I'm suspicious)
Elias, don't you think Obama might have gotten votes in Michigan if his name had been on the ballot?
He would have gotten ZERO, clearly.
You guys have jumped the freaking shark.
Wasn't me. The only water I've been near has been the drops falling in the sky.
Does that mean he transfers somewhere else, Washington maybe?
I'm putting money on his turning up at Donnie McClurkin's House of Hate 'n Homophobia.
Seriously.
..
Sallyh
You guys have jumped the freaking shark.
pie, I love you dear. You know I do.
But that's not the truth.
Ickes is the guy who mounted the only two Convention fights in modern times, after which the Party nominee lost both times.
Buh-bye. Enjoy that buffet in Killfile.
Yes. Ignore the reality.
As usual. I thought we were smarter before this all came down.
Sadly, no.
He would have gotten ZERO, clearly.
NTodd, Pink Poseur | Homepage | 05.31.08 - 7:30 pm | #
Ickes would have sucked that number down to negative infinity.
The Republicans and people who supported Clinton.
Remember, there are three parties now.
Apostate, Burnt Tonuge | 05.31.08 - 7:17 pm |
be careful what you wish for
very careful
.
Omigod no...
"Howard Dean may hope that the "healing will begin today," but two blocks away from the northwest Washington Marriott where the DNC's Rules and Bylaws Committee is meeting right now to try to figure out Florida and Michigan, the Hillary protesters are occupying an utterly alternate (and healing-free) universe: a universe in which one of the big lawn rally's speakers yells that the Democratic Party no longer is in the business of "promoting equality and fairness for all"; in which a Hillary supporter with two poodles shouts, "Howard Dean is a leftist freak!"; in which a man exhibits a sign that reads "At least slaves were counted as 3/5ths a Citizen" and shows Dean whipping handcuffed people; and in which Larry Sinclair, the Minnesota man who took to YouTube to allege that Barack Obama had oral sex with him in the back of a limousine in 1999, is one of the belles of the ball."
It goes downhill from there, too.
I don't understand what the fuck everybody's got their fucking panties in a wad over.
Nobody comes within sniffing distance of the White House w/o the corporate stamp of approval seared in to their ass.
The greatest fear I have, however, is the Supreme Court.
That really makes a difference.
But as for policies..........feh.
honstely, none of FL or MI should have been seated, and the supers should ahve been completely stripped.
aangus, stealing myself to go into the spare bedroom and pack up Maddy's clothes that no longer fit her to take to the Goodwill.
I know I'm going to cry.
But that's not the truth.
What truth would that be?
I hope MSNBC will have time to fit in all of its regularly scheduled prison programming. Some people can't make it through the weekend without that.
aangus,
I'm gonna try to organize a northern Atriots gathering in Burlington some weekend in July. Interested?
When in doubt . . . smoke a pole.
How's Teh Tropics?
be careful what you wish for
very careful
That wasn't my wish. That was Bjorn, nonkosherjewforO, who declared that there are are three parties and that he is breaking with any Clinton supporter.
I trace this whole thing back to when simels spat on that soldier.
...stealing myself to go into the spare bedroom and pack up Maddy's clothes that no longer fit her to take to the Goodwill.
I know I'm going to cry.
Hey, no reason to cry about it... she doesn't fit into them, and somewhere, some kid in probably less fortunate circumstances will be getting some nice stuff she otherwise wouldn't have.
It's a win-win!
Relax, elias, your candidate McStain will lose to either of these Americans.
What truth would that be?
Good grief.
When in doubt . . . smoke a pole. watertiger
Someday we'll find a cure for smoker's pole, till then, how's the fucking weather down there?
The greatest fear I have, however, is the Supreme Court.
The greatest fear I have is that the democrat won't win in November.
How can we make that happen?
driftglass, your dulcet tones have been missing as of late! It's great to see you.
"At least slaves were counted as 3/5ths a Citizen" and shows Dean whipping handcuffed people; and in which Larry Sinclair, the Minnesota man who took to YouTube to allege that Barack Obama had oral sex with him in the back of a limousine in 1999, is one of the belles of the ball."
Wholly fucking crap.
I guess Elias doesn't care about NH and SC voters.
Snow (D-SC)
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Hey Snow, this is a matter of life and death. These decisions will determine life and fucking death. This isn't some theoretical exercise. This primary process has been a fraud. I'm sorry, but that's how I see it.
But go ahead and gloat all you want. He either wins or more people die. More people probably die under Obama, but, hey, WTF do I care anymore.
None of this fucking matters anyway. We live in an empire and nothing we do will stop it.
I'm out...
I'd like to see McClellan testify before Congress and when a Republican asks a question say "I can't comment on an ongoing investigation"
When in doubt . . . smoke a pole.
NO FLIRTING!
It goes downhill from there, too.
Thers
Whoo. Hillary Clinton is about to become the Ron Paul of the Democratic Party, thanks to those types of rabid supporters.
thers, from your link:
Clusters of people in Hillary shirts ask to take their photo with him, one woman covered in Clinton buttons introduces him to Greta Van Susteren, and he estimates he has handed out 500 fliers.
what does that tell you?
Of the eight Hillary supporters I quiz at the protest (six of them women), only one says she'd even consider voting for Obama in the fall. "It's sad. I'm a lifelong Democrat and the party's been taken over by these Obama people who say they want 'change,'" gripes Linda of Horseheads, New York, outside the Marriott as a honking car decorated with a painting of Hillary, a glued-on bust of Cleopatra, and a tampon drives by. Linda, she says, has already gone to the state Board of Elections to learn how to write Hillary's name in in November. "So much has been stolen from her."
That's priceless stuff right there. You can't make it up.
So much for UNITY, you bloggers are in love with Hillary that you all never realized how truly nasty she could be.
I say it again, It was just Bush that lied and people died, cause Bill and Hillary lied about WMD too - and people died.
Bill Clinton was in lock-step with Bush and Hillary is hell bend on destoring the PARTY. You guys should never have placated that bitch cause she isn't going away.
I'm sure alot of us will be voting for Nader? BUT, I'm certainly Hillary won't mind in the least.
I know that Michigan and Florida are likely pissed. Hell, I'm in Virginia, we go way late, on Super Tuesday, or what used to be that. But we didn't cry about Iowa voting first, and then piss around when the DNC punished us for breaking the clearly set out rules.
pack up Maddy's clothes that no longer fit her to take to the Goodwill.
Better get used to that again. You already know how often it's gong to happen. 
Thanks, Sallyh.
dave, it's more than that. I've removed all of Mlle's stuff and now I'm taking Maddy's stuff from that room.
Leaves me hollow and sad, it does.
billy, darling, what truth?
There have been so many in this season.
I'm out...
Has Elias already said he's leaving 35 times yet, or is he just getting warmed up?
We should set both delegations but make them sit on plastic patio furniture.
aangus, stealing myself to go into the spare bedroom and pack up Maddy's clothes that no longer fit her to take to the Goodwill.
I know someone who made alot of her daughter's baby clothes into a quilt. I wished I had thought of it.
Obama 1,724.5 328.5 2,053 64
Clinton 1,586.5 290 1,876.5 240.5
Remaining 86 205 291
(2,117 delegates needed for victory)
aangus, I don't know. I hope her mom pulls her act together. She's in sober living now; we're still not getting along. And her dad's being a dick.
Late Afternoon UPDATE: The tarts got cut in half into tartlets, everybody got a taste, and there were no beheadings.
Not enough blood in the water!
Omigod no...
That is fucking ridiculous.
Bush and Hillary is hell bend on destoring the PARTY.
Good to see that some trolls will work so hard for the next nominee and do more than bitch about the process here to effect change whilst not at all casting aspersions on people about blood on their hands because they didn't vote the way he wants.
I'm a lifelong Democrat and the party's been taken over by these Obama people who say they want 'change
Now where have I heard language like that before? Hmmm...lemme think
Has Elias already said he's leaving 35 times yet, or is he just getting warmed up?
He's going jogging soon. Jogging, or yogging, it might be a soft 'j'...
Good to see that some trolls will work so hard for the next nominee and do more than bitch about the process here to effect change whilst not at all casting aspersions on people about blood on their hands because they didn't vote the way he wants.
I disapprove of anyone casting asparagus on anyone else.
How can we make that happen?
Everyone vote for the Democratic candidate.
I have but one cat to share, today.
.
Has Elias already said he's leaving 35 times yet, or is he just getting warmed up?
I'm not sure if he's out of the bullpen yet.
Vicki, coming from you, that is pretty disappointing.
Why, pie? I think it's pretty true from what I've read. Granholm and Levin are vocal Clinton supporters. I've always felt that Granholm was interested in moving the primary forward to help Clinton. I do believe that Levin's motives were different, and for him, it was about the unfairness of Iowa and New Hampshire always going first.
My feelings about this have been pretty clear. I still feel, and I have from the beginning, that because the MI Democratic Party didn't play by the rules, the delegation should not have been seated at all.
She knew, he knew, we all knew that the votes weren't going to count - that's what we've been told for a year now. I don't know how you can change that. I voted knowing full well that my vote wasn't going to count.
This whole thing is a mess, on all levels, from the top down. The R&B Committee should have included a couple of early primary states this year, and they failed, too.
I'm glad they attempted a compromise, but it still isn't an actual reflection of the votes on that day.
I am sorry that I disappointed you, though, pie. I didn't mean what I said in a malacious way; it's just how I see things.
hhtg is on scifi
Maple tree molester, I started a pathwords game with you.
I know someone who made alot of her daughter's baby clothes into a quilt.
That's brilliant.
Jeffraham, I went to visit the kitty cats a few minutes ago.
Saw your Vandy pics, and they made me cry.
Anyway, I gotta go to the store. Nobody cast asparagus while I'm gone.
"It's sad. I'm a lifelong Democrat and the party's been taken over by these Obama people who say they want 'change,'" gripes Linda of Horseheads, New York, outside the Marriott as a honking car decorated with a painting of Hillary, a glued-on bust of Cleopatra, and a tampon drives by. Linda, she says, has already gone to the state Board of Elections to learn how to write Hillary's name in in November. "So much has been stolen from her."
In other words, Hillary is making it easy for the GOP to link Democrats with flaky fucktards who are as ill-informed and deluded as their own fungelical supporters.
Bill Clinton was in lock-step with Bush and Hillary is hell bend on destoring the PARTY. You guys should never have placated that bitch cause she isn't going away.
OH MY GOD! RUN FOR YOUR LIVES!
I disapprove of anyone casting asparagus on anyone else.
Thers
You know asperagus makes my pee smell funny.
this party will win in november despite people on both sides of the democratic divide who refuse to sing kumbaya with each other
.
Leaves me hollow and sad, it does.
An empty room? You should turn it into your very own sanctum sanctorum.
No husbands allowed!
If there are poblems it won't be with the presidential campaigns but at the state level and their relatonship to the DNC. Florida will make national fundraising very diffiucult in the state.
Take it to the Supreme Court.
All FL and MI delegates are awarded to McCain!
Well that's it. I've HAD it! Her supporters are just TOO supportive!
Everyone vote for the Democratic candidate.
I'll be happy to do that.
Even if I have to hold my nose.
Was watching Noron O'Donnell's coverage of the "Delegate Drama" or whatever they're calling it.
Noron signs off. Then MSNBC shows an Avodart prostate pill ad about some guy who claims he works at a space museum and makes miniature models for a living. He shrinks things for a living. (Wonder where this ad is going?)
Then he says, he finds out he's got a "growing problem," his prostrate's growing.
He asks his doctor, "what can we do about this?"
The doctor says, "hey, man, you're the one who shrinks things for a living."
So the guy makes a miniature model of his prostrate. Or something.
Bill Clinton was in lock-step with Bush and Hillary
And they were all wearing g-strings and doing high kicks.
We have a tradition at our old church of quilts being made for newborns with scraps of old fabric from clothes, sheets, etc from other members old clothes and such.
Both of my boys got a quilt, and they are precious.
I disapprove of anyone casting asparagus on anyone else.
mmmmm, asparagus. can someone cast some butter this way?
Hai, guyz! What's goin' on?
How's Teh Tropics?
Warm. Humid. Rainy at the moment.
I'm contemplating jumping in the pool, just because I can.
Hillary is making it easy for the GOP to link Democrats with flaky fucktards who are as ill-informed and deluded as their own fungelical supporters.
Wow. She's fantastically clever!
Even if I have to hold my nose.
pie | Homepage | 05.31.08 - 7:40 pm | #
welcome to my world (i've been here since the dean scream)
Hillary is making it easy for the GOP to link Democrats with flaky fucktards who are as ill-informed and deluded as their ow--
Your concern is noted.
Try the buffet! You'll be spending a lot of time there...
Sallyh: Saw your Vandy pics, and they made me cry.
Well, don't -- I mean, if I get 20hrs. of consulting a month out of it at 4x what I was making, I should be fine, considering my other dabblings. 
.
Sallyh
You are just making room to buy more. Focus on ideas for birthday presents while you pack them up.
Good to see that some trolls will work so hard for the next nominee and do more than bitch about the process here to effect change whilst not at all casting aspersions on people about blood on their hands because they didn't vote the way he wants.
NTodd, Pink Poseur | Homepage | 05.31.08 - 7:37 pm | #
If the next Dem president doesn't outlaw all New York sports teams, I denounce them and move to Sweden.
some guy who claims he works at a space museum and makes miniature models for a living. He shrinks things for a living. (Wonder where this ad is going?)
Then he says, he finds out he's got a "growing problem," his prostrate's growing.
He asks his doctor, "what can we do about this?"
The doctor says, "hey, man, you're the one who shrinks things for a living."
So the guy makes a miniature model of his prostrate. Or something.
Are you sure this wasn't a preview for the next David Cronenberg movie?
Michelle Obama is certainly going to be a presence in this campaign. Or so I've heard.
Damn women.
this party will win in november despite people on both sides of the democratic divide who refuse to sing kumbaya with each other
Stop touching me! He touched me! Stop touching me!
Maple tree molester, I started a pathwords game with you.
I saw. Working through a couple other games that mysteriously.
If I was Hillary I'd sue.
Hillary is making it easy for the GOP to link Democrats with flaky fucktards who are as ill-informed and deluded as their own fungelical supporters.
Yup. Ewww. Ick. No way Obama needs half the party to beat McCain. Take that to the bank!
I'm contemplating jumping in the pool, just because I can.
Where are you?
I've been out of touch recently...
http://www.brianarens.com/blog/bbq/
Why do Obama people persist in making a bad situation worse.
perhaps we should allow her to express her opinion before assigning one to her.
dirk gently, spiraling
She has been. She's been arguing quite explicitly that FL and MI should be seated as-is. She's been saying she will take the fight to the convention if necessary.
In fact, I don't know how much more explicit she could have been about this.
Thinking a compromise would resolve the matter, you'd have to assume you knew something about her motivations other than what she's been saying for months.
Jeffraham-your day job is no longer there?
WT--
I thought you went down there to, you know, do a job or something.
Michelle Obama is certainly going to be a presence in this campaign. Or so I've heard.
Damn women.
pie
As I've said countless times, Michelle Obama rocks my world.
I don't know that she reduces to sound-bites very well though.
If I was Hillary I'd sue.
Sue whom?
I am grateful to Mrs. Clinton for poisoning her party for the benefit of John McCain. It has been a great and historic act of mercy and I will long remember it.
Thanks for showing us the rest of the way, Hill.
And It's Over
-1 for Trinity UCC.
and then?
http://www.politico.com/news/sto...0508/
10724.html
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Obama's leaving Trinity?
Was he the father, son or holy ghost?
i wonder how many supposed clinton supporters calling for dems to "hurt" obama are actually democrats?
i would suspect very, very few. they may pretend to support her, but they certainly don't support what she has said: "it would be a grave mistake not to vote for obama [over mccain.]"
i'd really rather hear what she has to say about the compromise than what people say they think she is going to say.
Everyone vote for the Democratic candidate.
I'll be happy to do that.
Even if I have to hold my nose.
That's really all the melodrama comes down to, as far as I care. Vote for the Democrat, don't vote for McCain.
Push the Congress away from the right.
The end.
OH MY GOD! RUN FOR YOUR LIVES!
Laugh now, but wait 'til Hitlery and him try to run you over with a train...
How many delegates did Buchanan get from Florida this time?
Sue whom?
driftglass
I don't know sue somebody.
Sue Bush too.
If I was Hillary I'd sue.
Sue whom?
driftglass | Homepage | 05.31.08 - 7:44 pm | #
Big states. little states, states that ride on bikes...
Oh jeez.
Toby's Petzdead.
Was he the father, son or holy ghost?
He caught the last train for the coast...
dirk, I don't miss the bullshit here, but I miss reason. And you're rational.
but it seemed clear to me that the only outcome that Hillary would accept today is seating all of FL and MI as-is.
perhaps we should allow her to express her opinion before assigning one to her.
There it is again. "Nobody is qualified to guess at what Hillary is thinking."
Perhaps the most tired of all the tired defenses of Hillary Clinton.
If I was Hillary I'd sue.
For what?
So, plus 24 for HRC, but where does that leave the cumulative totals?
dave is going to end the only poster who is not in his killfile.
She has been. She's been arguing quite explicitly that FL and MI should be seated as-is. She's been saying she will take the fight to the convention if necessary.
the fact that someone bargains from an extreme position does not prove what the reaction to the final agreement is going to be. she's also said that she wants to be the nominee, but if she is not she will throw her whole support behind obama and urged her supporters to do the same.
If I was Hillary I'd sue.
Gomez
Careful of the pot-stirrer's elbow.
Big states. little states, states that ride on bikes...
Tough states?
Sissy states?
States with trilobites?
I have but one cat to share, today.
.
Jeffraham Prestonian
Don't look directly into the eyes!
I've been out of touch recently...
San Juan, P.R. SEIU Convention.
virgotex, party doesn't really start until Monday. One, maybe two interviews tomorrow.
btw, the NFL Players Ass'n is staying at this hotel. I feel . . . petite!
For what?
Vicki, Who ♥ Al Gore
To keep the drama going.
Karin Hussein: Jeffraham-your day job is no longer there?
True dat. Yesterday was my last day.
.
Soooommmmttiiiiiimmmmmmmees, I'll I need is the air that I breathe, and to loooooooveee youuuuuuuu........
I have but one cat to share, today.
.
Jeffraham Prestonian | Homepage | 05.31.08 - 7:38 pm |
he looks like he's about to stick his tongue out.
How's Teh Tropics?
Warm. Humid. Rainy at the moment.
I'm contemplating jumping in the pool, just because I can. watertiger, rica suave
If you are not paying for the mini-bar, room service and room incidentals, you can spend the next week blotto, stuffed and wet.
And a good name for a girl band.
Push the Congress away from the right.
Not a good enough reason to vote for him. I don't know what he'll do.
they may pretend to support her, but they certainly don't support what she has said: "it would be a grave mistake not to vote for obama [over mccain.]"
Poor deluded tool. Don't you know that's just Hitleryspeak for "Burn the Democrat Party to the ground NOW, my pretties!!!"
You can get your Super-Secret Hitlery Decoder Ring over at Orange Satan...
Careful of the pot-stirrer's elbow.
Apostate, Burnt Tonuge
Actually my wrist gets the most wear and tear.
uh oh, Watertiger and a hotel full of NFL Players' asses!
the NFL Players Ass'n is staying at this hotel.
Remember to wait thirty minutes after taking steroids before jumping in the pool.
Perhaps the most tired of all the tired defenses of Hillary Clinton.
Stunt Woman | 05.31.08 - 7:46 pm | #
there it goes again. "i know the evil in her heart."
perhaps the most tired attack on hillary clinton.
There it is again. "Nobody is qualified to guess at what Hillary is thinking."
Perhaps the most tired of all the tired defenses of Hillary Clinton.
Stunt Woman
I can sort of agree we shouldn't go reading her mind.
So, indeed, let's listen to what she says.
Oh yeah, she's been saying for weeks that FL and MI should be seated as-is. Now we should be shocked - SHOCKED! - if she doesn't accept our Solomnic compromise? Sadly, no.
Disclaimer for those that like to argue with straw men: I am not saying Hillary SHOULD accept the compromise.
How many delegates did Buchanan get from Florida this time?
1½
i'd really rather hear what she has to say about the compromise than what people say they think she is going to say.
Me too. Has she said anything yet? No? In that case, feel free to speculate. It is a political blog after all.
Let me make a prediction: Hillary's going to say the compromise was a compromise and she's sorry that all those poor voters were disenfranchised but she's going to keep fighting.
Anybody want to disagree? If so, please let me know how it is possible for you to read Hillary's mind.
Yeah, that's a great time to announce that you've resigned from your racist church: simultaneously with the rules committee's travesty committed in your favor.
Enjoy the evening, ladies.
True dat. Yesterday was my last day.
Jeffraham Prestonian
Well, I hope you have something in your piggybank.
Cat with tongue?
Franny does this all the time.
I should be in bed. Nothing but museum exhibitions closing tomorrow in Paris. Let's see: one on Duchamp, a Swedish modernist, Louise Borgeois at Pompidou, and Max Ernst at the Pinacoteque.
So...with all that waiting for me in the morning I should be in bed but here I am following this delegation process like a junkie.
damn. i'm not even sleepy!
Perhaps the most tired of all the tired defenses of Hillary Clinton.
Stunt Woman | 05.31.08 - 7:46 pm |
for myself, i am not interested in 'defending' hillary clinton
i want to see the bitterness end and democrats be united
and i see people from both sides continue to contribute to bitterness
.
San Juan, P.R. SEIU Convention.
Cool! I was just working next to some buildings a bunch of SEIU janitors were striking. They ended up getting a pretty nice settlement!
there it goes again. "i know the evil in her heart."
perhaps the most tired attack on hillary clinton.
dirk gently, spiraling
It's not an attack. You're arguing with a staw man.
She has been saying explicitly that FL and MI should be seated as is. So let's take her at her word - this compromise won't resolve the primary.
I am not saying this is a good or bad thing. But it is a reason why they shouldn't have bothered tossing principle out the window to reach what they thought would be a politically expedient compromise.
Perhaps the most tired of all the tired defenses of Hillary Clinton.
Stunt Woman | 05.31.08 - 7:46 pm | #
there it goes again. "i know the evil in her heart."
There it is again: a strawman.
I'm doing quite well at predicting Hillary's behavior. It has nothing to do with "evil."
i'd really rather hear what she has to say about the compromise than what people say they think she is going to say.
"All options are on the table." Just like Iran.
btw, the NFL Players Ass'n is staying at this hotel. I feel . . . petite!
watertiger, rica suave |
I don't mean to be politically incorrect but pictures of chiseled abdominal muscles would be grately appreciated.
Not a good enough reason to vote for him. I don't know what he'll do.
The main reason to vote for either of them is that they're not McCain. Obama is going to be the nominee, I think, so there's nothing left to think about, in terms of the general election.
I haz Little Brother having nap on mah front porch.
Also - 8 episodes of teh Equalizer!
And Irish whiskey!
And being maybe chosen to teach for teh Royal Military College of Canada.
What u got?
Whale, I gotta bad-motor-scooter for a bit, but I shall return, triumphantly!
bbl
.
I'm resigning from my church too.
Just don't tell my parents.
Well, I hope you have something in your piggybank.
He'd have even more if he weren't a smoker.
NFL's asses likely more attractive than Ickes'.
Interested?
Not after what Harold Ickes just pulled.
If you can resign from your church can they trade you to the Methodists?
Our long "National Nightmare" is just starting.
This former yellow dog woman Democrat will never vote for Obama. Right now, I doubt if I'll ever vote for any man again. They seem to hate women in power.
Bye bye Dems. Bye bye Fido. You would have been a better candidate.
C. Christiansen
Chicago, IL
Oh, chica, what I would give to see the Max Ernst!
Yeah, resigning from his church now is lame. Going to be a problem.
Look, I thought Kerry, a Vietnam vet, would be able to win easily against the AWOL dumbass.
All bets are off in November.
i want to see the bitterness end and democrats be united
So do I. As I have been saying for the past several months, that unification will *BEGIN* to occur when Hillary pulls her head out of her egomaniac ass and bow out of this thing.
So if you want unification, you want Hillary to get the fuck out.
Otherwise you want something else like, uh, a fantasy world where everybody gets along because Hillary's just like every other politician.
Louise Borgeois at Pompidou
I saw a fantastic exhibit of hers in NYC many, many years ago.
This former yellow dog woman Democrat will never vote for Obama. Right now, I doubt if I'll ever vote for any man again. They seem to hate women in power.
Door...ass...hit...etc.
It's no skin off my ass.
Let me make a prediction: Hillary's going to say the compromise was a compromise and she's sorry that all those poor voters were disenfranchised but she's going to keep fighting.
probably a good guess. no more nor less. personally, i don't care much one way or another. i'd have been happy for them to say 'rules is rules' but that wasn't likely to happen. of course she was going to push for a full decision in her favor.
it's one of the things the dems forget when dealing with repubs over the last 8 years: you don't start out a contentious bargaining session with a "reasonable compromise" because the other side is going to make you move further towards them no matter what. so you start out demanding everything.
i want to see the bitterness end and democrats be united
The only "bitterness" among Democrats comes from the very tiny minority who breathe politics every second.
The vast majority of voters don't give a flying fuck about these purity sideshows. They just want to vote AGAINST THE REPUBLICAN and they don't care who the non-Republican is.
In fact, most voters would be more than happy to see Obama and Clinton on the same ticket. Oh, God forbid!
C. Christiansen
Chicago, IL
MOOaCOW | Homepage | 05.31.08 - 7:52 pm | #
not the carol christiansen who went to sno hill, by any chance?
.
Where does Bob Dylan live?
As nutty as we have gotten during crazy season, at least we aren't Taylor Marsh, Talk Left, or Daily Obama.
My goodness people are unhinged at those places.
Hillary is responsible for Ickes using words like "gall" "chutzpah" and, repeatedly, "highjacking" among his many vitriolic remarks this evening.
Unless she'd care to repudiate them.
I really don't want to hear about the Clintons' dedication to Unity In November as long as her minions like Ickes and Ferraro are running around without muzzles.
so there's nothing left to think about, in terms of the general election.
Sad.
I'm doing quite well at predicting Hillary's behavior. It has nothing to do with "evil."
Stunt Woman | 05.31.08 - 7:50 pm | #
You're an ideal Villager then. And besides, it's more fun innit?
The whole thing stinks of sour grapes, and I just wish the Dems would get rid of the Superdelegate system.
It just harkens back to the Founders' era, when only powerful, property-owning citizens were permitted to vote for the President.
Bob Dylan used to have a place in Malibu in the colony area. I drove past it several times.
He is on the road most of the time though.
Why resign. Why not just not show up and get the grand slam breakfast at Denny's instead?
Democratic Rules Committee Meeting: Unofficial Transcript
Hmmmmmmm... why am I suspicious???
The vast majority of voters don't give a flying fuck about these purity sideshows. They just want to vote AGAINST THE REPUBLICAN and they don't care who the non-Republican is.
In fact, most voters would be more than happy to see Obama and Clinton on the same ticket. Oh, God forbid!
dave™© | Homepage | 05.31.08 - 7:53 pm | #
i sure hope you're right
.
It appears that Elias is having a Clintonist tears of pity moment. lmao! Boo frickin hoo Hillary is done and now it's time to focus on McBush.
Go Barack!
Yeah, resigning from his church now is lame. Going to be a problem.
People are sick of the baloney about Obama and his fucking church. Nobody cares.
Until recently I had only seen Max Ernst's collage work in reproductions...but when I saw it "in vivo" I was flabbergasted at his meticulous care....really unbelievable how good it is...
There it is again: a strawman.
as was your comment on my "defense" of clinton. what is there to defend?
uh oh, Watertiger and a hotel full of NFL Players' asses!
Tell me about it!
Culture of TrÜth, you captured the Ickes - Dawson exchange beautifully.
Hillary is responsible for Ickes using words like "gall" "chutzpah" and, repeatedly, "highjacking" among his many vitriolic remarks this evening.
OMIGOSH! Doesn't compare to what's been leveled at her, but still.
Why not just not show up and get the grand slam breakfast at Denny's instead?
Moons Over My Hammys!
This former yellow dog woman Democrat will never vote for Obama
I think you're a short-sighted, self-destructive jerk.
that unification will *BEGIN* to occur when Hillary pulls her head out of her egomaniac ass and bow out of this thing
You are the most gracious, intelligent, superfoxy poster ever to type in a public forum. And you smell fantastic!
I really don't want to hear about the Clintons' dedication to Unity In November as long as her minions like Ickes and Ferraro are running around without muzzles.
SteveLG | 05.31.08 - 7:54 pm | #
Interesting that this sort could very well have been part of Hillary's admin if it was to come to pass.
I'm resigning from my church too.
Just don't tell my parents.
Gomez | 05.31.08 - 7:51 pm
Good God, I thought you out and out hated your church, and your parents don't know?
I'm doing quite well at predicting Hillary's behavior. It has nothing to do with "evil."
Stunt Woman | 05.31.08 - 7:50 pm | #
You're an ideal Villager then.
I could play one on TV. The problem is I'm a liberal anti-war asshole.
uh oh, Watertiger and a hotel full of NFL Players' asses!
Tell me about it!
watertiger, rica suave
It never occurred to me to look at their butts.
i sure hope you're right
Go hang out around some gas pumps.
The electorate is NOT happy.
The New York Times had an article on some recent Bob Dylan paintings. One painting is of a woman leaning over a table and is particularly effective at capturing her erotic ass, strong back, and beautiful hair.
SteveLG, the unity pony is limping.
And Obama has problems.
WT, as your retirement advisor I advise you into seducing one of the millionaire guys into getting you pregnant, or if the kid thing is a no go, make one trip and fall over you.
OMIGOSH! Doesn't compare to what's been leveled at her, but still.
derek
By someone with comparable stature in Obama's campaign as Ickes has in Clintons?
I don't think so.
No, wait. Absolutely not.
I resigned from my church as soon as I reached the age of reason.
sorry for the off topic posts y'all. I'll leave you to it, and best of luck with the concern trolls!
ciao,
Toby, did you grill any dogs over the Memorial weekend or just drown a few in the bathtub?
That was about age 14.
Good God, I thought you out and out hated your church, and your parents don't know?
camelot, Go Pens
They know I disagree, but they don't know I don't go.
Well, we're off to Zapette's going-away to Scotland party at the best patio in the St. Paul.
Peace (and I mean it, dammit!!).
No hot babes at the delegate fight today. I think we missed a recruiting opportunity.
Sad.
Well, for me it's no sadder than realizing that the choice was going to be between Clinton and Obama. I'm much more interested in the congressional elections and pushing for voter turnout all the way from to bottom.
i want to see the bitterness end and democrats be united
So do I
.
.
Otherwise you want something else like, uh, a fantasy world where everybody gets along because Hillary's just like every other politician.
Stunt Woman | 05.31.08 - 7:53 pm
if she's not just like every other politician, what is she then?
in a non-divisive, non bitter way of talking about it, of course
.
I could play one on TV. The problem is I'm a liberal anti-war asshole.
She has said she'll start bringing the troops home. He's said what?
No wonder the media love him.
I never resigned from my church, just in case. After all, I'm an agnostic, which is an atheist with an option to buy.
Until recently I had only seen Max Ernst's collage work in reproductions...but when I saw it "in vivo" I was flabbergasted at his meticulous care....really unbelievable how good it is...
I never knew Frida Kahlo did any collage work, till I saw the exhibit in Philly. There was one incredible collage piece there, very political.
This former yellow dog woman Democrat will never vote for Obama. Right now, I doubt if I'll ever vote for any man again.
"Dear Penthouse..."
And Obama has problems.
pie
Jeez, pie... any candidate has problems. Kerry had problems, Gore had problems, Bill Clinton had problems and god knows Bush had problems.
Some overcome them, some don't.
We'll have to see.
The only "bitterness" among Democrats comes from the very tiny minority who breathe politics every second.
this is true, and i still think many of them aren't dems to begin with. certainly the ones pounding the "broken party" meme on cable aren't.
the truth is, obama and clinton probably got the most and second most primary votes respectively of any candidate in history. either of them far exceeded the number of primary votes of any r candidate, if i'm not mistaken all of the r's put together. and they just aren't very far apart on the issues. so what's broken?
Now if NFL players had boobs, I'd look at those.
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/0....html?
ref=books
Dylan paintings.
I never knew Frida Kahlo did any collage work, till I saw the exhibit in Philly. There was one incredible collage piece there, very political.
That show's opening in SF in a couple of weeks.
My wife is VERY excited!
eew, I've got slanties!
Ickes, Ferraro et al are not doing Hillary much of a favor if she wants to be VP. I doubt Obama wants her mouth-pieces anywhere near his admin.
I resigned from my church as soon as I reached the age of reason.
angryspittle | 05.31.08 - 7:57 pm |
i hope i live long enough to reach the age of miracles
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Now if NFL players had boobs, I'd look at those.
Gomez
Tackles and nose guards have spectacular boobs.
My church keeps sending me envelopes.
I don't have the heart to tell them to stop.
I guess Clinton has no problems.
Hillary fans have proven themselves as the craziest fans ev-ah!
I never resigned from my church, just in case. After all, I'm an agnostic, which is an atheist with an option to buy.
Uncle Smokes
OMG, that's great. I'm stealing that.
Smokes, you sweetie. xxx...
They know I disagree, but they don't know I don't go.
There are many Catholic teens that would make a shrine to St. Gomez.
Atrios wrote:
" And It's Over "
--------------------------------
And it's on to the convention - a floor fight, and I'll be there.
What SteveLG said!
I'm much more interested in the congressional elections and pushing for voter turnout all the way from to bottom.
Apostate, Burnt Tonuge | 05.31.08 - 7:58 pm | #
there ya go.
Culture of Truth,
Your transcript is great ... and I am really enjoying Unruly Americans (which is what you all sound like right now, btw).
Watertiger is in Puerto Rico in a hotel full of football players, and she would rather be typing with us. That's so beautiful *sniff*
Clinton has been fully vetted. Just don't ask her about Jackmeoff or the Tan family.
Until recently I had only seen Max Ernst's collage work in reproductions...but when I saw it "in vivo" I was flabbergasted at his meticulous care....really unbelievable how good it is...
The Max Ernst retrospective at MoMA was great. The works are so tactile.
chica toxica! bienvenidos mija!
Hillary fans have proven themselves as the craziest fans ev-ah!
You have not met the Pens fans.
No, wait. Absolutely not.
SteveLG | 05.31.08 - 7:57 pm | #
well they said she is polarizing, untrustworthy, divisive, and demanded her tax returns. Me, I wish they'd just go team up and kick McCains fucking ass 10 ways to Sunday.
Evening, folks.
I guess my subconscious was at work when selecting today's Bonus Critter Blogging.
Right now, I doubt if I'll ever vote for any man again.
sexist.
Cat with tongue?
Franny does this all the time.
Zap Rowsdower | Homepage | 05.31.08 - 7:49 pm
My cats with tongues:
http://pets.webshots.com/photo/
2...096501088rOplrd
http://pets.webshots.com/photo/
2...096501088lTsKPs
And being maybe chosen to teach for teh Royal Military College of Canada
That is so kewl! What subject? (I assume the Great War, but what specifically?)
Watertiger is in Puerto Rico in a hotel full of football players, and she would rather be typing with us. That's so beautiful *sniff*
The Kenosha Kid
I'm going to call her and try to talk sense into her.
Hmmmmmmm... why am I suspicious???
dave™©
Dude, it's
Do people remember Tena? Is she always posting at TPM and not here anymore? I'm her groupie.
She has said she'll start bringing the troops home. He's said what?
No wonder the media love him.
pie
Both Obama and Clinton can attack each other from the left.
I recently read a lot of long-winded, passionate arguments from a Clinton supporter about why she's the better progressive candidate. It was a refreshing change from "He's unelectable, keep chasing that unity pony you hypnotized sheep."
And I agree, in some ways, she is the better progressive candidate. But not all, and I assume you realize that.
That's the frustrating part of this whole mess. Neither of these candidates is in the clear on the progressive bona fides. They are both essentially centrist, but in different ways. Maybe slightly left of center.
+24 net for Clinton.
What was the point?
"Rose . . . butt . . . ."
Hey, that ain't Axl.
as was your comment on my "defense" of clinton. what is there to defend?
It's a fairly constant refrain here from the early days of the campaign that "nobody can say why Clinton did or does something -- it's just speculation." The "argument" is apparently supposed to blunt off attacks about her dumbass vote for the Iraq war or various other dumbass statements.
Yes, of course, we could wait for Hillary to say something before guessing at what she's going to say. On the other hand, we don't have to. It's not "better" to wait. Guessing what she's going to say or do next doesn't matter one way or the other except ... it's fun. It keeps things interesting. It shows how predictable her behavior is, or isn't.
"Rose . . . butt . . . ."
watertiger, rica suave
OMG, whose dog? Remember, abs shots.
Right now, I doubt if I'll ever vote for any man again.
Well, looking at the roll call, a great many of the United States Presidents were shitty.
But a coupla three of them did OK, under the circumstances.
That is so kewl! What subject? (I assume the Great War, but what specifically?)
Dunno - I've offered straight Canadian history, military history and generic 'history'. Also, full occupancy of my house betweeen October and March for whichever members of the faculty require someplace not frozen ....
She has said she'll start bringing the troops home. He's said what?
Why don't you read about his plan to withdraw from Iraq at his website and find out?
And being maybe chosen to teach for teh Royal Military College of Canada.
A job worthy of her qualifications, talent and experience!
/GWPDA's mom
"He's unelectable, keep chasing that unity pony you hypnotized sheep."
With all due respect, she needs to blow it out her ass.
I'm much more interested in the congressional elections and pushing for voter turnout all the way from to bottom.
I just don't believe that it's a good strategy.
And it's not a good enough reason to nominate the less qualified person.
Neither of these candidates is in the clear on the progressive bona fides. They are both essentially centrist, but in different ways. Maybe slightly left of center.
Nim, ham hock of liberty | 05.31.08 - 8:03 pm | #
only because center has been pushed so far to the right.
and we will have to pull like hell to get anyone moving to the left.
+24 net for Clinton.
What was the point?
Terry C , Overeducated Liberal
When you tryin' to make a hundred, ninety nine and a half won't do...
It's my understanding that Obama is a MAC, and Hillary Clinton is a PC.
She has said she'll start bringing the troops home. He's said what?
No wonder the media love him.
pie | Homepage | 05.31.08 - 7:58 pm |
That he's also bringing the troops home?
And if you think the media 'loves' him, you are watching something other than the MSM.
this is true, and i still think many of them aren't dems to begin with.
I don't think I'd say that. I'm including most internet junkies (including me) in that group.
Canadian History. "And then we had the good sense to stay out of Vietnam..."
They are both essentially centrist, but in different ways. Maybe slightly left of center.
*Sigh*
In so many ways...
{Gazes longing at Eschaton signature}
And It's Over
+24 net for Clinton.
and then?
-Atrios 19:03
and then what then?
Why don't you read about his plan to withdraw from Iraq at his website and find out?
You do realize that calls to go to his website to read about policy have become a joke, right?
Obama's live on Faux.
-
Peace (and I mean it, dammit!!).
Them's fightin' words!
What was the point?
Trying to figure out the lay of the land before the convention, probably.
And it's not a good enough reason to nominate the less qualified person.
pie
Except he got more votes than the
"more qualified" person.
Canadian History. "And then we had the good sense to stay out of Vietnam..."
The Kenosha Kid | Homepage | 05.31.08 - 8:05 pm |
that's it!!!
i am NEVER going to vote for an american for president ever again
.
Dave, there's a contingent of UHW/CNA people here, pamphleting the SEIU conference.
They should have wrapped up the meeting in ten minutes and then used the other 9 hours and all the press attention to attack McBush.
Then I'd be convinced of this unity thing.
full occupancy of my house betweeen October and March for whichever members of the faculty require someplace not frozen
Hmm, do you get to be somewhere else during this time? Fish and company stink after 3 days, after all.
That's the frustrating part of this whole mess. Neither of these candidates is in the clear on the progressive bona fides. They are both essentially centrist, but in different ways. Maybe slightly left of center.
Word. And that's why Clinton sucks compared to Obama. He's not a Clinton and he was opposed to the war.
A job worthy of her qualifications, talent and experience!
/GWPDA's mom
Gromit dear, that's sweet, but Mummy died in 1984..... I didn't do my job well enough to keep the cancer from killing her.
Obama throwing his church under the bus.
Obama has attended this church and supported it with donations running into tens of thousands of dollars. He's told us the church and its pastor emeritus, Wright, where CENTRAL to his development as a man, and as a politician.
I find it impossible to believe that one so involved in this church and its welfare, does not share its philosophy. Of course he does. That is HIS world view, too. It must be, because no one in their right mind would put that sort of effort, and become that intimate with a sect for 20 years, and NOT share its outlook on the world.
Oh, just fucking fantastic. Some Irish singer on PBS. All I wanted was a little Antiques Road Show and some British comedies.
OMG, whose dog? Remember, abs shots.
friend of res ipsa's.
sorry for the bad post
Dude, it's unofficial
I resigned from my church as soon as I reached the age of reason.
angryspittle
Me too.
Right after high school - and I had been just going through the motions for years before that.
Maddy's clothes packed for the Goodwill.
I need to buy her a couple of outfits to keep at my home--if for no other reason than to hope that she'll be able to visit again soon.
God, that red headed Penguin is cute.
It keeps things interesting. It shows how predictable her behavior is, or isn't.
Stunt Woman
Too bad Obama stopped debating. Now we hear about soundbites at fundraisers.
Pffft.
"Rose . . . butt . . . ."
Oops! I'm sending that to FireMonkey (tigre, that's my friend's nym when she occasionally posts).
Oh, just fucking fantastic. Some Irish singer on PBS.
Johnny Hussein Mathis is not Irish.
That's the frustrating part of this whole mess. Neither of these candidates is in the clear on the progressive bona fides. They are both essentially centrist, but in different ways. Maybe slightly left of center.
Nim, ham hock of liberty
Nim, there ain't a dime slot bit of difference between them on issues. The difference has been on campaign skills and Sen. Obama has kicked Sen. Clinton's backside in that respect.
We're going to have a DLC President (dog willing), so we had better start focussing on Congressional races.
S H E E T S
(PS Can a Church fit under a bus?)
I just don't believe that it's a good strategy.
Sorry, but I'm not getting this. What's not a good strategy?
And it's not a good enough reason to nominate the less qualified person.
There's no single reason that Obama would be the nominee, apart from his accumulating the minimum required number of delegates first.
I don't mean that I think Obama should be the nominee because I care about the downticket races. I mean that I don't care whether Obama or Clinton is the nominee, and I've cared about the downticket races all along. If that makes sense.
Guessing what she's going to say or do next doesn't matter one way or the other except ... it's fun. It keeps things interesting. It shows how predictable her behavior is, or isn't.
Stunt Woman | 05.31.08 - 8:03 pm | #
i guess i see a difference between guessing what she is likely to say and attacking her for it before she has. and that's what i've perceived happening.
i haven't defended clinton on the basis you said, and i am not a clinton supporter. i'm a far left progressive semi-socialist hippie who believes in an immediate end to u.s. hostilities in the mid east, a constitutional amendment guaranteeing the rights of gay couples to marry, and a 100% universal not-for-profit government run and funded health care system. which it doesn't look like we are going to get.
but otoh, i feel perfectly at ease defending either clinton or obama from unwarranted attacks either based in what they might say or misinterpretations of what they have.
Too bad Obama stopped debating. Now we hear about soundbites at fundraisers.
That didn't stop Hillary from putting her foot in her mouth.
Word. And that's why Clinton sucks compared to Obama. He's not a Clinton and he was opposed to the war.
Stunt Woman | 05.31.08 - 8:07 pm
kucinich and dodd are the only democrats who have taken any positive steps to actually end the war, and even those have been barely more than symbolic
face it, we are arguing over a couple of centrists
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She'd still be proud and happy, GWPDA.
I'm a confirmed atheist, but would be delighted to be wrong, and to find an afterlife or reincarnation.
tigre,
You're about to miss a storm.
there's a contingent of UHW/CNA people here, pamphleting the SEIU conference.
Politics! Discussed at our kitchen table!
that bitch
Noice.
He's not a Clinton and he was opposed to the war.
Opposed in his living room? Or just 'cause he said so.
He wasn't there to vote. Don't tell me what he would have done.
That's the weakest reason to vote for the man. It goes down from there.
Buckeye -- Topaz is so pretty, but Brego doesn't look comfortable enough.
(That tongue is HIE-larious!)
OMG, that's great. I'm stealing that.
Smokes, you sweetie. xxx...
res ipsa loquitur
You may have it with my blessing. It's one of the precious few jokes I made up myself, and thus have been repeating it for years. It's time to let go....
your candidate's sheets suck.
res ipsa loquitur
Boston Terrier, yes?
God, that red headed Penguin is cute.
Vicki, Who ♥ Al Gore
The Red Wings are all ugly fuckers.
It's been fun to see the same old arguments.
I doubt they'll help him if he's the nominee, unfortunately.
*mwah*
You do realize that calls to go to his website to read about policy have become a joke, right?
Have you read his website, or is that beneath you?
Seriously, what are you going to do, vote for McCain?
camelot,
Frenchie.
Hmm, do you get to be somewhere else during this time? Fish and company stink after 3 days, after all.
Oh, I'll go stay in Wickenburg, at a dude ranch. Arthur'll get to chase cows!
That's the frustrating part of this whole mess. Neither of these candidates is in the clear on the progressive bona fides. They are both essentially centrist, but in different ways. Maybe slightly left of center.
The Democratic party is not progressive.
Canadian History. "And then we had the good sense to stay out of Vietnam..."
The Kenosha Kid
"You WERE in Vietnam.
Why do you keep telling me that I'm wrong about that!!!!!!"
/Ann "Skull Woman" Coulter
She'd still be proud and happy, GWPDA.
I'm a confirmed atheist, but would be delighted to be wrong, and to find an afterlife or reincarnation.
Heh - After she died, she nevertheless got me thru passing my )&@_$&_@#&$_(@#&* German examination. I know.
You do realize that calls to go to his website to read about policy have become a joke, right?
pie
Why? It is a longstanding joke in the sense that trolls - not that I would think you are one - are constantly coming demanding answers to elemental questions about Obama's policies which are available at his website. Do you really believe in the last six months we've heard nothing about Obama's plans for Iraq?
res ipsa loquitur
Boston Terrier, yes?
camelot, Go Pens
WHO got Boston?????????
The vote is the biggest red herring of all. Hillary Clinton didn't simply vote to authorize force, she was supported invading Iraq in 2003. Obama opposed it and spoke out against it.
Terry C
not Boston, Frenchie.
I will be getting a Boston for a graduation present, though. One year and counting. Cannot wait.
camelot,
Frenchie.
res ipsa loquitur
French Bulldog? Cool!
Can you tell I'm a big fan of "mooshy faced" dogs?
I will be getting a Boston for a graduation present, though. One year and counting. Cannot wait.
camelot, Go Pens
Great dogs.
Then again, I am very biased.
My parents bred Bostons. I have had them my entire life, excepting the last ten years. I miss them terribly.
The vote is the biggest red herring of all. Hillary Clinton didn't simply vote to authorize force, she was supported invading Iraq in 2003. Obama opposed it and spoke out against it.
Culture of TrÜth | Homepage | 05.31.08 - 8:19 pm | #
I always wondered why every Democrat that voted for the war gets a free pass, and she doesn't. His campagin is stacked with people that voted for the war, but thats ok too. It's not like her vote was the decider, but somehow she was in Iraq flying sorties and dumping bombs out the hatch in alot of peoples minds.
res, please do forward!
French Bulldog? Cool!That must be what I saw the other day. It looked like a very large Boston
I am absolutely f*king amazed! I have trusted you atriots to be on top of things. the republican controlled FL State Legislature chose the date for the primary. They f*ked the dems over and if HRC is hip to that and ticked off about it, are we going to be suckers about it?
"Door...ass...hit...etc.
Zap Rowsdower "
As Robert Graves said through his character Claudius the God:
"Let all the poison that lurks in the mud hatch out".
Not until all the poison in this country is seen by all of it's people, will we ever have any real change for the better. When the man comes to the door with a gun, we'll have a real people's revolution.
Obama is just another member in a long list of phonies.
C. Christiansen
"not the carol christiansen who went to sno hill, by any chance?
.
Tacitus Sinatra"
Nope, that wasn't me. Are you related to "THE" Sinatras? If so, that guy in your family sure could sing!
C. Christiansen
Obama was awarded delegates in Michigan that were marked "uncomitted". That's disgusting.
What a wimp he is. I bet he takes them and shows us his big white smile.
Hey Obama, I got a church you can go to. They preach love and peace there. Maybe you'll learn something.
Jamie
"
"You WERE in Vietnam.
Why do you keep telling me that I'm wrong about that!!!!!!"
Until you understand that you are wrong. People, including Canadians, can fight anywhere for money. Canada did not enter or recognize the Viet Nam War.
I lived there with a draft resister. The Canadians I knew thought we Yanks were crazy.
Mix1453
"Apostate, Burnt Tonuge"
This person has been known to beat and stalk women.
Perhaps it has something to do with shoe size.
C. Christiansen
Anything to get that dipshit in office, eh? How many states are there again?
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