HULK SMASHED
..and then it keeps on keeping on.
Then Kodos eats the remaining super delegates and there is much rejoicing!
Then Obama is the nominee. And our long national nightmare is over.
Arbitrary compromises are awesome!
We don't make anyone happy, don't solve anything, and just make it official that rules are optional when inconvenient.
This will not have any repercussions in future primaries, I'm sure.
voters rule!
pretty kooky.
And it's over.
Not a chance!!
Fuck What's-his-name!
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"I can't wait until Hillary takes it to the convention"-John McCain to Vicki Iseman in episode 253 of what Cindy doesn't know won't hurt her
Ms. Clinton will protest this decision at the credentials committee and next attempt to get an injunction.
those crazies in the back chantging denver denver denver....
ya gotta love the democratic process and the Democratic process.
Ob did a goodie hiding his church departure on the weekend. but it will get some gas tomorrow from the gasbags.
And It's Over
+24 net for Clinton.
and then?
Get her out of the Senate?
+24 net for Clinton
Does someone need a diet?
BONGOS!
AND CAT!
.
Obama may declare victory here on Tuesday.
Its not really a party till the beer and pizza arrive anyway.
I've had Girl Scout leaders like that woman.
So, plus 24 for HRC, but where does that leave the cumulative totals?
What just happened
Ms. Clinton will protest this decision at the credentials committee and next attempt to get an injunction.
shawk
Cool. Legal drama.
*gets popcorn*
"And it's over.
Not a chance!!
"
You're right. Hil and Bill just want to keep dragging us over the coals through June. Their statemanship is ... staggering.
"Hegel remarks somewhere that all great world-historic facts and personages appear, so to speak, twice. He forgot to add: the first time as tragedy, the second time as farce.""
Its not really a party till the beer and pizza arrive anyway.
We have a nonna maria, thin crust pie with sausage and olives.
Iced tea. No beer.
So, plus 24 for HRC, but where does that leave the cumulative totals?
Obama was ahead by ~250, or so. So not much difference.
19 in favor, 8 opposed, no abstentions re: Michigan.
Tomorrow we return to McClellan's book. The Republicans are the opposition.
19 in favor, 8 opposed, no abstentions re: Michigan.
Vicki, Who ♥ Al Gore | Homepage | 05.31.08 - 7:16 pm | #
So Michigan will get half votes?
What does this do to the number needed to nominate. And how far away from that is Obama?
The Republicans are the opposition.
The Republicans and people who supported Clinton.
Remember, there are three parties now.
K19 in favor, 8 opposed, no abstentions re: Michigan.
This hints at the fact that we are more united than some would like us to be.
So good to tear the party apart for that.
Oh wait, how many "popular votes" does she get for that made-up metric she uses?
*gets popcorn*
Gomez |
Nachos for the game tonight.
Less to paper over.
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obama has resigned from his church, reminding me of my concern. that under pressure, he will fold like an origami swan.
i'm not sure that is worse than clinton's reaction to pressure, which was the opposite.
sigh. i know i'm not being fair. but just "beating mccain" isn't good enough for me. i mean it is mccain, for god's sake. there is no way in hell any republican - especially mccain - should beat any democrat this year. it doesn't matter which one. the race is independant of the contenders.
re: people in rafters shouting "McCain, McCain"...
I bet Hillary would hate to be the new Ralph Nader.
Just a guess.
So FLA won't be seated but Michigan's will?
About HRC:
"Men [Women] make their own history, but they do not make it as they please; they do not make it under self-selected circumstances, but under circumstances existing already, given and transmitted from the past."
Her past is not even past.
It's over! Obama has the lead. Wheww.
Hey look, Josh Marshall has another Lanny Davis blooper up!
So good to tear the party apart for that.
Don't be blue. People like a good purging.
Michigan's delegates will be seated at 69 Clinton/59 Obama - a half vote each.
Maybe I'll still be proven wrong, but it seemed clear to me that the only outcome that Hillary would accept today is seating all of FL and MI as-is. And of course that was never going to happen, because it's completely indefensible - practically, logically and legally.
So necessarily, any compromise was not going to end the in-fighting. Given that's the case, they should've stuck to principle and let their original decision not to seat the delegates, stick.
There will probably just be a replay of this with the Credentials Committee.
Looks like Obama wins.
Fivethirtyeight.com is a pretty solid resource for votes allocated/needed, etc.
"Men [Women] make their own history, but they do not make it as they please; they do not make it under self-selected circumstances, but under circumstances existing already, given and transmitted from the past."
Everybody's got baggage?
Get her out of the Senate?
Why? She's popular in NY and does good for her state...
Well I guess that's that then.
we should let donna brazile choose. she's black AND a woman.
Clinton + 52G pop vote!
http://
www.realclearpolitics.com...vote_count.html
(Remember, in a close race like this, it's all about the superdelegates, right?)
Wow. Never thought I'd see the day when Dems use Puke tactics of 2000. Utterly fucking amazing.
Fuck the popular will of the people.
Fuck 2 of the biggest electoral states.
Fuck the convention and the right to fight for the nomination there.
Join the Cult of Personality or fuck off...
and then?
And then???
(Heh-heh)
And then ALONG CAME JONES!!!
Looks like Obama wins.
NTodd, Pink Poseur
ITS NOT OVER!!!
WAS IT OVER WHEN THE GERMANS BOMBED PEARL HARBOR???
Obama's new magic number: 64?
Easily doable.
And then ALONG CAME JONES!!!
Indiana Jones?
Looks like Obama wins.
NTodd, Pink Poseur
We knew this May 6. Gave McCombober a month head start.
Given that's the case, they should've stuck to principle and let their original decision not to seat the delegates, stick.
That's exactly my feeling.
And the irony here in Michigan is that the Dem leaders moved the primary up, in part, to aid Hillary Clinton. Instead, this tactic hurt her.
obama has resigned from his church, reminding me of my concern. that under pressure, he will fold like an origami swan.
Ooooh, sorry, no.
It's "he will fold like cheap patio furniture."
Please make a note of it!
Noron looks like a lemon
"Wow. Never thought I'd see the day when Dems use Puke tactics of 2000."
Elias, are you refering to the Brooks Brothers Riot of 2000? And to what do you refer presently?
Join the Cult of Personality or fuck off...
Elias | Homepage | 05.31.08 - 7:20 pm | #
oh please please,,,,, do the latter will ya
WAS IT OVER WHEN THE GERMANS BOMBED PEARL HARBOR???
7 years of Bush down the drain. Might as well join the fucking Peace Corps.
I'm surprised the actually decided to partially seat MI.
WAS IT OVER WHEN THE GERMANS BOMBED PEARL HARBOR???
He's on a roll...
Heh. Manny Ramirez predicts home run #500 will be an inside the park job.
That would require a collision resulting in three unconscious outfielders
It's "he will fold like cheap patio furniture."
Please make a note of it!
dave™©
Plastic patio furniture is much better.
Why? She's popular in NY and does good for her state...
I'm not saying I want her out of the Senate. I'm saying that if she is as dangerous as people here say she is, she should be driven out of the Senate.
Obama's new magic number: 64?
He'll have it by Tuesday.
Indiana Jones?
Kids!
New magic number is 2118, Gomez. Obama needs 22 Super Delegates, according to Chuck Todd.
but it seemed clear to me that the only outcome that Hillary would accept today is seating all of FL and MI as-is.
perhaps we should allow her to express her opinion before assigning one to her.
I'm surprised the actually decided to partially seat MI.
Vicki, Who ♥ Al Gore
Some of their delegates have really big asses.
Given that's the case, they should've stuck to principle and let their original decision not to seat the delegates, stick.
That seemed like the thing to do to me.
The story's not written yet.
We knew this May 6. Gave McCombober a month head start.
It's not really a race like that. He's still not raising money, and the party is perfectly capable of targeting him even now (as Obama is doing), raising money, and nailing his ass after the traditional start of the General. The handwringing about ending this strikes me as a bit silly.
my plastic pation furniture does not fold.
Wrong, meat puppet.
Clinton's vote claim doesn't add up
Suck. It. Jive. Ass.
Wow. Never thought I'd see the day when Dems use Puke tactics of 2000. Utterly fucking amazing.
That is either utterly naive or even assier than the norm.
...perhaps we should allow her to express her opinion before assigning one to her.
Nah, we ain't gonna be doing that.
A WITCH! A WITCH!! BURN HER!!!
Ladies and gentlemen, the Dem nominee, Barack Obama*.
*Half of MI and FL not included.
I dunno. Rachel sez it ain't over.
handwringing about ending this strikes me as a bit silly.
NTodd, Pink Poseur
I agree. The '08 Democratic primary race was not well played.
Or maybe it was.
A WITCH! A WITCH!! BURN HER!!!
dave™© |
that isn't her nose. it's a false one.
Clinton's vote claim doesn't add up
Suck. It. Jive. Ass.
Pretty much since last week Obama's had the pop vote edge, too.
It's not really a race like that. He's still not raising money, and the party is perfectly capable of targeting him even now (as Obama is doing), raising money, and nailing his ass after the traditional start of the General. The handwringing about ending this strikes me as a bit silly.
This makes good sense. I agree completely.
Namestealer?
I dunno. Rachel sez it ain't over.
A. Morphous | 05.31.08 - 7:25 pm | #
but she wears a scarf.
...perhaps we should allow her to express her opinion before assigning one to her.
Party pooper.
Haven't blogwhored in a while, but what the hell:
Geraldine Ferraro, Hero to Reagan Democrats (and closet racists)
Help a poor blogger reach his life's goal of 150,000 hits by the end of this month.
Elias, don't you think Obama might have gotten votes in Michigan if his name had been on the ballot?
The Dems new motto:
"One Person, One/Half a Vote!"
I'm surprised the actually decided to partially seat MI.
Miami edges Missouri 6-5.
*Half of MI and FL not included.
Where were you when the rules were announced? There is no surprise in what is going on here. None. Perhaps you need to oil your outrage meter.
I see increasing numbers of Democrats and increasing passion on the part of voters.
What the hell is wrong with that?
Hating on each other is just shortsighted.
After 7.5 years of these warmongers, giving us plenty to hate, I find it odd to hate another Democrat.
Even if the Obama camp had concede everything to HRC, it wouldn't matter. The SD's are about to close out the nomination.
If the Clintons want to keep on fighting, fine, but they'll have to pay for it out of their own pockets.
This whole kabuki is about leverage and money. It's over.
Obama's leaving Trinity?
Does that mean he transfers somewhere else, Washington maybe?
Far out.
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Elias, don't you think Obama might have gotten votes in Michigan if his name had been on the ballot?
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Gee whiz. There's one way to find out. But that ship has sailed, so it doesn't matter anymore...
Does this mean MI and FL delegates have to sit on stools? Folding chairs?
dammit i've been liveblogging downstairs....
I'd seat all of Florida but make them vote with butterfly ballots.
Hating on each other is just shortsighted.
Sure, but what else is there to do while we sit here typing?
And the irony here in Michigan is that the Dem leaders moved the primary up, in part, to aid Hillary Clinton.
Vicki, coming from you, that is pretty disappointing.
You guys have jumped the freaking shark.
Make their chads hang for sure
Obama's leaving Trinity?
Does that mean he transfers somewhere else, Washington maybe?
he's converting to islam. happily, he doesn't have to pick a new name or the ballots would all have to be reprinted.
(disclaimer: this is snark)
Hey aangus!
Does this mean MI and FL delegates have to sit on stools? Folding chairs?
They have to stand on one foot.
Detroit's goals should only count half too.
When in doubt . . . smoke a pole.
Does this mean MI and FL delegates have to sit on stools? Folding chairs?
Each others' laps.
Does this mean MI and FL delegates have to sit on stools? Folding chairs?
Pogo sticks.
Does that mean he transfers somewhere else, Washington maybe?
The Mormons have been knocking on his door.
I guess Elias doesn't care about NH and SC voters.
Isn't Ickes the guy who keeps losing in NC?
You guys have jumped the freaking sh--
Buh-bye. Enjoy that buffet in Killfile.
I'd seat all of Florida but make them sit on butterfly ballots.
There now.
Pretty much since last week Obama's had the pop vote edge, too.
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We'll really never know without actual primaries in MI and FLA, right? And that's the whole crux of the issue, we'll never know for sure.
You guys have jumped the freaking shark.
pie, you know us better than that.
(I didn't see the gravatar, so I'm suspicious)
Elias, don't you think Obama might have gotten votes in Michigan if his name had been on the ballot?
He would have gotten ZERO, clearly.
You guys have jumped the freaking shark.
Wasn't me. The only water I've been near has been the drops falling in the sky.
Does that mean he transfers somewhere else, Washington maybe?
I'm putting money on his turning up at Donnie McClurkin's House of Hate 'n Homophobia.
Seriously.
..
Sallyh
You guys have jumped the freaking shark.
pie, I love you dear. You know I do.
But that's not the truth.
Ickes is the guy who mounted the only two Convention fights in modern times, after which the Party nominee lost both times.
Buh-bye. Enjoy that buffet in Killfile.
Yes. Ignore the reality.
As usual. I thought we were smarter before this all came down.
Sadly, no.
He would have gotten ZERO, clearly.
NTodd, Pink Poseur | Homepage | 05.31.08 - 7:30 pm | #
Ickes would have sucked that number down to negative infinity.
The Republicans and people who supported Clinton.
Remember, there are three parties now.
Apostate, Burnt Tonuge | 05.31.08 - 7:17 pm |
be careful what you wish for
very careful
.
Omigod no...
"Howard Dean may hope that the "healing will begin today," but two blocks away from the northwest Washington Marriott where the DNC's Rules and Bylaws Committee is meeting right now to try to figure out Florida and Michigan, the Hillary protesters are occupying an utterly alternate (and healing-free) universe: a universe in which one of the big lawn rally's speakers yells that the Democratic Party no longer is in the business of "promoting equality and fairness for all"; in which a Hillary supporter with two poodles shouts, "Howard Dean is a leftist freak!"; in which a man exhibits a sign that reads "At least slaves were counted as 3/5ths a Citizen" and shows Dean whipping handcuffed people; and in which Larry Sinclair, the Minnesota man who took to YouTube to allege that Barack Obama had oral sex with him in the back of a limousine in 1999, is one of the belles of the ball."
It goes downhill from there, too.
I don't understand what the fuck everybody's got their fucking panties in a wad over.
Nobody comes within sniffing distance of the White House w/o the corporate stamp of approval seared in to their ass.
The greatest fear I have, however, is the Supreme Court.
That really makes a difference.
But as for policies..........feh.
honstely, none of FL or MI should have been seated, and the supers should ahve been completely stripped.
aangus, stealing myself to go into the spare bedroom and pack up Maddy's clothes that no longer fit her to take to the Goodwill.
I know I'm going to cry.
But that's not the truth.
What truth would that be?
I hope MSNBC will have time to fit in all of its regularly scheduled prison programming. Some people can't make it through the weekend without that.
aangus,
I'm gonna try to organize a northern Atriots gathering in Burlington some weekend in July. Interested?
When in doubt . . . smoke a pole.
How's Teh Tropics?
be careful what you wish for
very careful
That wasn't my wish. That was Bjorn, nonkosherjewforO, who declared that there are are three parties and that he is breaking with any Clinton supporter.
I trace this whole thing back to when simels spat on that soldier.
...stealing myself to go into the spare bedroom and pack up Maddy's clothes that no longer fit her to take to the Goodwill.
I know I'm going to cry.
Hey, no reason to cry about it... she doesn't fit into them, and somewhere, some kid in probably less fortunate circumstances will be getting some nice stuff she otherwise wouldn't have.
It's a win-win!
Relax, elias, your candidate McStain will lose to either of these Americans.
What truth would that be?
Good grief.
When in doubt . . . smoke a pole. watertiger
Someday we'll find a cure for smoker's pole, till then, how's the fucking weather down there?
The greatest fear I have, however, is the Supreme Court.
The greatest fear I have is that the democrat won't win in November.
How can we make that happen?
driftglass, your dulcet tones have been missing as of late! It's great to see you.
"At least slaves were counted as 3/5ths a Citizen" and shows Dean whipping handcuffed people; and in which Larry Sinclair, the Minnesota man who took to YouTube to allege that Barack Obama had oral sex with him in the back of a limousine in 1999, is one of the belles of the ball."
Wholly fucking crap.
I guess Elias doesn't care about NH and SC voters.
Snow (D-SC)
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Hey Snow, this is a matter of life and death. These decisions will determine life and fucking death. This isn't some theoretical exercise. This primary process has been a fraud. I'm sorry, but that's how I see it.
But go ahead and gloat all you want. He either wins or more people die. More people probably die under Obama, but, hey, WTF do I care anymore.
None of this fucking matters anyway. We live in an empire and nothing we do will stop it.
I'm out...
I'd like to see McClellan testify before Congress and when a Republican asks a question say "I can't comment on an ongoing investigation"
When in doubt . . . smoke a pole.
NO FLIRTING!
It goes downhill from there, too.
Thers
Whoo. Hillary Clinton is about to become the Ron Paul of the Democratic Party, thanks to those types of rabid supporters.
thers, from your link:
Clusters of people in Hillary shirts ask to take their photo with him, one woman covered in Clinton buttons introduces him to Greta Van Susteren, and he estimates he has handed out 500 fliers.
what does that tell you?
Of the eight Hillary supporters I quiz at the protest (six of them women), only one says she'd even consider voting for Obama in the fall. "It's sad. I'm a lifelong Democrat and the party's been taken over by these Obama people who say they want 'change,'" gripes Linda of Horseheads, New York, outside the Marriott as a honking car decorated with a painting of Hillary, a glued-on bust of Cleopatra, and a tampon drives by. Linda, she says, has already gone to the state Board of Elections to learn how to write Hillary's name in in November. "So much has been stolen from her."
That's priceless stuff right there. You can't make it up.
So much for UNITY, you bloggers are in love with Hillary that you all never realized how truly nasty she could be.
I say it again, It was just Bush that lied and people died, cause Bill and Hillary lied about WMD too - and people died.
Bill Clinton was in lock-step with Bush and Hillary is hell bend on destoring the PARTY. You guys should never have placated that bitch cause she isn't going away.
I'm sure alot of us will be voting for Nader? BUT, I'm certainly Hillary won't mind in the least.
I know that Michigan and Florida are likely pissed. Hell, I'm in Virginia, we go way late, on Super Tuesday, or what used to be that. But we didn't cry about Iowa voting first, and then piss around when the DNC punished us for breaking the clearly set out rules.
pack up Maddy's clothes that no longer fit her to take to the Goodwill.
Better get used to that again. You already know how often it's gong to happen. 
Thanks, Sallyh.
dave, it's more than that. I've removed all of Mlle's stuff and now I'm taking Maddy's stuff from that room.
Leaves me hollow and sad, it does.
billy, darling, what truth?
There have been so many in this season.
I'm out...
Has Elias already said he's leaving 35 times yet, or is he just getting warmed up?
We should set both delegations but make them sit on plastic patio furniture.
aangus, stealing myself to go into the spare bedroom and pack up Maddy's clothes that no longer fit her to take to the Goodwill.
I know someone who made alot of her daughter's baby clothes into a quilt. I wished I had thought of it.
Obama 1,724.5 328.5 2,053 64
Clinton 1,586.5 290 1,876.5 240.5
Remaining 86 205 291
(2,117 delegates needed for victory)
aangus, I don't know. I hope her mom pulls her act together. She's in sober living now; we're still not getting along. And her dad's being a dick.
Late Afternoon UPDATE: The tarts got cut in half into tartlets, everybody got a taste, and there were no beheadings.
Not enough blood in the water!
Omigod no...
That is fucking ridiculous.
Bush and Hillary is hell bend on destoring the PARTY.
Good to see that some trolls will work so hard for the next nominee and do more than bitch about the process here to effect change whilst not at all casting aspersions on people about blood on their hands because they didn't vote the way he wants.
I'm a lifelong Democrat and the party's been taken over by these Obama people who say they want 'change
Now where have I heard language like that before? Hmmm...lemme think
Has Elias already said he's leaving 35 times yet, or is he just getting warmed up?
He's going jogging soon. Jogging, or yogging, it might be a soft 'j'...