I'MMA LET YOU FINISH
Oh yes Atrios the New York Times is always right.
Still besotten with all things European, dumbass ?
p o o p
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Did they do it on porpoise, one wonders?
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Tough questioner Timmeh let Maverick away with his BS about Mittens over a timetable for withdrawal on Iraq.
Timmy: Bill says McCain and Hillary love each other
Dowd: but he says she wants America to surrender
York: McCain is liberal loving jerk
Tim: so he's doomed
York: no because we all hate hillary so much
Dowd: Obama is not the daddy figure he's more like our Magic Negro Child
Tim: he's like the Webster of politics
Dowd: or Gary Coleman he's adorable
I don't understand all the talk about the 'decline' of the American Empire.
Overtaking Albania has always been a reachable objective.
"Falling Hegemony" sounds like a lousy name for a blog...
American hegemony is a theory peddled by European shitheads like Hubert Vedrine you numbskull. Signed, Your Muse.
Hi JP.
Going down the path we're headed, it's a good thing in my estimation.
Todd: Bill spoke las night not Hillary that was weird
Dowd: it's the Rise of Billary - no can stop it and it can't be reasoned with
Russert: Barack is a black John Connor
Bill Kristolnacht
In 20 years time the US will still be ahead of China. Europe, if its lucky, will be on par with Bolivia. Signed, Your Muse.
Pointy-headed neocons sitting in their ivory tower think tanks don't know what the real world is like.
The "American Empire" is a wholly pwned subsidiary of Worldcorp, Inc.
This is our century. Get used to it.
We can send her a press pass to EschaCon, if you like.
I'll just hide.
Molly Ivors, credulous
Hmmm. Let me think about it.
Actually, don't bother. I'm not Bill Clinton, so I'd get nowhere.
Bill Kristolnacht
Gilly Gonzylon | 01.27.08 - 11:28 am | #
Good one.
Right up there with Huckatollah from last night.
Bill Kristolnacht
Gilly Gonzylon | 01.27.08 - 11:28 am | #
ouchie
new troll?
I've never seen this asshat before.
meanwhile over there
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/
20080...3ovQUQJtGqs0NUE
Yeehah! Pass me that pig, Jethro!!! I'm gonna ride ride ride!!!
The conservative movement created a parallel system of credientials, achievement, and "merit" outside of academia, and have become their own hated liberal academia strawman.
My daughter just called to tell me there's an article about my hometown in the NYT Travel section. It's a ski resort in WNY.
I just started to read the article; how 'bout this?
It is 2016, and the Hillary Clinton or John McCain or Barack Obama administration is nearing the end of its second term.
So it's pretty much down to three people.
Thanks, NYT!
Hmmm. Let me think about it.
Sinfonian, Swedish skullfucker | Homepage | 01.27.08 - 11:29 am | #
I'd love for her to show up. Just so I could smack her upside the head.
It is 2016, and the Hillary Clinton or John McCain or Barack Obama administration is nearing the end of its second term.
the microphones in the crypt have yet to pick up a state of the union message from *president* mccain
Tampa's one of the NFL teams I pull for. Being that I love Tampa/St. Pete. And Chucky.
billy b
Cool.
I've been a fan since '77, their second season, and a season ticket holder since 1998. It's my one truly capitalistic vice.
Well, that and good beer. And cigars.
sheets
The best we can hope for is a United States that acts wisely and helpfully as world power becomes decentralized.
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Yasmina Reza
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Kill file - Killls trolls dead! Ask for it by name!
the microphones in the crypt have yet to pick up a state of the union message from *president* mccain
no no nsense
*president* Huggy Bear. 
Decline of empire?
NTodd, Self-proclaimed Indy
fullbright was 'dead on'
albright not so much
and lite brights better stay out of beantown
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We were here long before you were, and we'll be here long after you're gone.
If we do not eventually embrace responsible governance befitting our power, may the decline be long, deep and painful.
Governor Tarkin: No star system will dare oppose the Emperor now.
Princess Leia: The more you tighten your grip, Tarkin, the more star systems will slip through your fingers.
It's a good article, but it plays a big too much to the Big Picture. Not a breath about South America. No consideration of the harsh dividend China is going to pay for it's depeletion of arable land and drinking water, and no explanation of how future growth is going to be accomplished without a MAJOR and very expensive investment in alternative energies. Instead, we have the EU being powered by "new pipelines". I'm still not convinced that China for example, isn't just another overpolluted, overinflated bubble waiting to pop.
China. "New Cold War" redux. Again.
I heard Dennis Miller bloviate about great the US is and then I read this article. It's sad. It's like wtching a champion get his ass beat and ignore the results of the blows.
Also bloviate all you want about China. I heard the same about the EU some years ago. Now all 28 EU nations have a higher standard of living, a more valuable stock market and the number one currency in the world.
China isn't a bubble about to pop. They are overtaking us while we pat ourselves on the back for "liberating" Iraq.
Bill Kristolnacht
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Paul Wolfsschanze
Catfish, I'm not entirely sure why you're putting me in the company of Dennis Miller, unless your intention is to bloviate about people you accuse of bloviating.
No one's suggesting that America's a significant power anymore or will be for at least a generation. But I suggest you look past fawning admiring editorials about China's growth and look at the consequences that growth is already having on China's society and infrastructure.
http://afp.google.com/article/
AL...9M7Yl_rRdBGVqqA
That's a good place to start. I don't think it's possible to predict how power and influence will flow in the world 20 years from now. But simply extrapolating from today's world as the author has done is simplistic in the extreme.
America never had the right to a hegemony in the first place. Over the centuries many nations have tried and failed at global domination, we are just the latest, and hopefully we will be the last.
I am proud of all this country has accomplished in its short history, but frankly it's good that we're beginning to get smacked around a bit. I would much rather be a great nation among other great nations than the world's biggest bully.
There are so many things that need to be done to make the USA, and the world, a better place, but none of that can begin until we get the assorted neocons, theocrats, and other America-firsters out of power. As I wrote many years ago, the meaning of victory (over them) only means we can get on with the work.
Americas relative decline vs the rest of the world started a few days after the end of WWII when we were 50% of the worlds economy, our military spanned the globe and we just nuked Japan.
That was the day the neocons and the rest of the various flavors of power fetishists dream of returning to. The knowledge that we will never recover that relative strength drives them insane
Instead we fight rearguard actions against those who have snubbed us or called us name or took some Americans hostage 30 years ago.
Their only hope is, and I know this sounds crazy, launching nukes. In their minds if we show the fortitude to nuke the defenseless in Iran or Pakistan then the word will cower before us again in awe.
Most probably missed the recent story that to prevent Pakistan's nukes from falling into the wrong hands we might launch a nuclear strike. How this is supposed to work seems to be irrelevant. . It has the added bonus of killing millions. They love death.
Ain't that the truth!
9/11 DID change everything. in pre-9/11 america, people like that would be gracelessly BEATEN TO DEATH for fucking things up for the rest of us. they've lost our money, our property, our respect, our security, our allies, our loved ones, and our future.
WHY ARE THESE PEOPLE STILL ALIVE?
Not as damning as this article. Far more freightening:
http://tomdispatch.com/post/
1748...to_sink_america
Been watching the slow motion train wreck for seven years now. Been thrown off two discussion boards as an "America Hater" for stating what was obvious about the American Economy, Society and military adventurism in Iraq.
Your stuffed mate.
...quite obvious for some time that the neocons who dreamt of American hegemony have basically destroyed it.
That's because they never understood the distinction between power and strength.
The article has elements that are merely reasonable. It lacks the "C'est le Congo" punchline that overtakes too many would-be empires. After all, the democracy-loving U. S. would never allow a trigger-happy moron to become its king, would it?
The U.S. ruling elite is the greatest threat to the continued existence of the human race. And for more reasons than one.
I read this article in 1992 -- good to see it was recycled rather than wasted.
OK, so we should expect increasing competition between the EU, US and China. Why should it be of any importance to you or me that the US "win" this competition? Why should American workers care, for example, that an American multinational wins an oil production contract in Libya rather than a Chinese one?
And I don't get the author's call for stronger government-corporate partnership to help us be more "competitive" vs. the EU and China. What the hell have we had for the last sixty years, if not a "partnership" that uses government power to advance corporate interests? We need more of this?
Why no mention of Cheney or PNAC, I wonder.
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