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I just hope she doesn't grovel.
I'm sick of Democrats goveling.
I hope Jefferson Beauregard Sessions III makes a complete idiot of himself. Oh, wait, that happens ever time he opens his fool mouth.
Graham is despicable.
Um, she's a WISE Latina, Atrios. No way she'll be melting down.
Like the Repubs have had?
Grahamis an asshat. And an asswipe And a ratfucker. And sucks donkey's dicks. Also.
All this GOOPer pontificating is brain damaging. Turn it off, and listen to something else.
I swear, for every minute you listen to 'em, you lose twenty neurons.
QL has a way with words.
Lindsey, have you ever had any Latina ass? It's something you wouldn't easily forget.
All this GOOPer pontificating is brain damaging. Turn it off, and listen to something else.
I swear, for every minute you listen to 'em, you lose twenty neurons.
David Derbes, optimistic
I'm listening to some 70+ year old blues.
30 seconds of Kyl just about did me in.
but no, by my own definition of racism, i am absolutely not a racist.
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funny how that is
Soto!
Lindsey, have you ever had any Latina ass?
Only his gardener, Miguel.
She will not grovel, it's not in her.
somebody gonna get cut, they don watch it.
60 percent of the cases the Supreme Court has reviewed is not a particularly high number. In any given term, the Supreme Court normally reverses a higher percentage of the cases it hears. During its 2006-2007 term, for instance, the Court reversed or vacated 68 percent of the cases before it. The rate was 73.6 percent the previous term.
In two of the three Sotomayor reversals, at least some of the more liberal justices dissented, agreeing with her holding.
One was a 5-4 decision in 2001 in Correctional Services Corporation v. Malesko, which involved an inmate who sought to sue a private contractor operating a halfway house on behalf of the Bureau of Prisons over injuries he sustained. Sotomayor said he could, but a majority of the justices disagreed.In another case, Sotomayor wrote that under the Clean Water Act, the Environmental Protection Agency could not use a cost-benefit analysis to determine the best technology available for drawing cooling water into power plants with minimal impact on aquatic life. By a vote of 6-3 this year, the Supreme Court ruled otherwise in Entergy v. Riverkeeper. The third reversal, in 2005, was a unanimous 8-0 decision in the case Merrill Lynch, Pierce, Fenner & Smith, Inc. v. Dabit.Sotomayor had written that a class action securities suit brought in state court by a broker/stockholder was not preempted by the 1998 Securities Litigation Uniform Standards Act. But the high court's opinion said it "would be odd, to say the least" if the law contained the exception that Sotomayor said it did.
She will not grovel, it's not in her.
plantsman, mad google skillz
I hope so.
will thank everyone in advance of all the watching of the mean-spirited hate-filled arseholes who call themselves senators for the gop
couldn't stand to watch it live - I'd have no TV sat at the end of it all - no great loss of course but I would miss it
circuit court judges arent known for groveling. or melting down.
Billy B : so, sebs agrees with mowmow.
surprised?
Not at all surprised. They get smacked down for being stupid constantly and it's eveyone else's fault.
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Princeton is a four-year school now, right?
circuit court judges arent known for groveling. or melting down.
euphronius failure
But she's a woman!! And she's Hispanish!!
We all know how fiery they are!!! Just look at J-Lo!!!!
- N.E. Wingnut
I sure hope that hot-blooded Latina bitch doesn't have a complete meltdown. -Atrios 11:25
As opposed to Jeffie Sessions.
By my own definition of Super Hero I'm one of those.
we all know it's patent bullshit
Well sure. There's a bunch of us who could say we had IQs north of 180 and nobody would particularly question it, because of the quality of their comments. The trolls, not so much.
Tlazolteotl | 07.13.09 - 11:28 am |
My IQ is 666.
its even dumber than that.
Soto could have applied the law correctly, and if the SC decides to change the law, then she may be overruled. but that just means teh SC changed the law, not that Soto was wrong.
Like in Ricci where the right wing of the SC made up a bunch of crap.
...especially if she's menstruating.
This is not so much a judicial nominee hearing as it is a platform for the Republican's to demonstrate how fucking pathetic they are. These guys would love to return to Jim Crow laws but they have to settle for snide innuendo.
ROFLMFAO
My IQ is 666.
Buckeye ... | 07.13.09 - 11:40 am | #
I knew it.
so euphronius is either so stupid or so arrogant to think that the USA has a patent on the expression "alma mater".
and this is someone who is studying for the bar so must be exposed to a lot of Latin phrases!
Swimming pool reference.
Good Lord, that Sessions dood has some way dead eyes.
This is not so much a judicial nominee hearing as it is a platform for the Republican's to demonstrate how fucking pathetic they are. These guys would love to return to Jim Crow laws but they have to settle for snide innuendo.
cosmic tumbler
The blatant, out of the closet, no holds barred racism on display among top Republicans and right-wing spokespersons since the election continues to amaze and dismay me.
They're not even bothering to speak in code anymore. Obama's election has released the inner racist from every Republican's core and they are enjoying it way too much.
By my own definition of Super Hero I'm one of those.
cahuenga
I like floweres so I guess that makes me an asternaut
Good Lord, that Sessions dood has some way dead brain cells. - Troutski
FYT
this is to top off his earlier comment today about New Orleans being the capital of New France.
It's a long way from Québec City to New Orleans, ijiot.
alma mater means "nourishing mother", not "school i graduated from". that particular idiomatic expression is mostly used in teh USA.
troll fail.
couldn't stand to watch it live - I'd have no TV sat at the end of it all - no great loss of course but I would miss it
all they have is hate | 07.13.09 - 11:38 am | #
I used to scream at the set during the Thomas hearings. My husband couldn't take all my yelling and had to leave the room.
gosh, is it that bad? making me really glad i don't watch, Hoss. yikes.
Richard Feynman was offered Mensa membership, but declined, with regrets and, perhaps, tongue in cheek, citing his measured IQ of 125. Not up to their standards, his intelligence...
its really bad because it is pointless. she will be confirmed.
at least with Thomas it was unknown.
Weren't both of Alito's judgments overturned by the Supremes? I.e., he's at 100%. Or is this an urban legend?
Someone should ask Sessions to define racism.
I want Senator Franken to speak with the satellite dish glued to his helmet.
Any over-under on how many times this week that Puerto Rico ISN'T identified as a part of the USA?
I'm guessing at least seven.
I would never join a club that would have me as a member.
Have they asked for her birth certificate yet?
cosmic tumbler : This is not so much a judicial nominee hearing as it is a platform for the Republican's to demonstrate how fucking pathetic they are. These guys would love to return to Jim Crow laws but they have to settle for snide innuendo.
Not even that snide, any more - it's already been stated that we knew all that they were going to say before today.
The real test comes when they lie to her face.
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chicago dyke : gosh, is it that bad? making me really glad i don't watch, Hoss. yikes.
Apparently so. I'm not holding out much hope for the Dems to be any better.
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The highlight of the Thomas hearing for me was Strom Thurmond telling a witness to "talk into the machine" (meaning the microphone) when the deaf old coot couldn't hear what they were saying.
alma mater means "nourishing mother", not "school i graduated from". that particular idiomatic expression is mostly used in teh USA.
troll fail.
euphronius failure | 07.13.09 - 11:43 am | #
You gave the literal translation, which is not how it is used ... nobody would know what you were talking about if you gave that definition. It is used to mean "school I graduated from" and that's it. And I would guess it is used elsewhere.
nope. alma mateer is used in French to mean "school I graduated from"
and since I learned the expression at McGill it's used in Canada as well
sebs tells me it's used in Spanish
Tweety gives the entirety of Li'l Lindsey's BS and then cuts away from Cardin after two sentences because he's "giving a long speech."
Dickwad.
.
deadthreaded:
And now you resort to your usual non sequitors. Not worthy of a response.
Brooklyn Girl, shady dame | Homepage | 07.13.09 - 11:40 am | #
there are a gazillion definitions of racism out there. so we essentially all get to pick one for ourselves.
mine is: do you hate certain people because of their race?
sebs | 07.13.09 - 11:44 am | #
They're not even bothering to speak in code anymore. Obama's election has released the inner racist from every Republican's core and they are enjoying it way too much.
Gummo
weird. They're losing every last minority vote in the country as a consequence - LBJ famously lost the south for a generation - the pukkkes are aiming at losing 3/4's of the nation for longer after the election
I thought this would all play out during the election - it never occurred to my fool head that the vile ignorance would continue unabated after the election
I want Senator Franken to speak with the satellite dish glued to his helmet.
macacawitz
Ha! I remember that skit. I think it was in reference to Poppy's Gulf I, IIRC.
Any over-under on how many times this week that Puerto Rico ISN'T identified as a part of the USA?
Yet they have a State Quarter.
http://www.statequarterguide.com...o-rico-quarter/
Gawd, Gordon Liddy and i think alike.
Ugh.
whatever BG.
Thus did Feynman prove Mensa didn't deserve him.
"More experience as a Federal judge than any nominee in the last 100 years."
Bam!
Meltdown is when the troll talks to itself.
Don't take the bait folx.
Richard Feynman was offered Mensa membership, but declined, with regrets and, perhaps, tongue in cheek, citing his measured IQ of 125. Not up to their standards, his intelligence...
ProfWombat | 07.13.09 - 11:43 am | #
I remember seeing an interview with him in which he talked about a club membership he had in HS. All they talked about was who else was "worthy" (his pronunciation was particularly funny) of being asked to join. He hated it.
The highlight of the Thomas hearing for me was Strom Thurmond telling a witness to "talk into the machine"
That's what he called his penis.
-Liddy
naive in montreal : I thought this would all play out during the election - it never occurred to my fool head that the vile ignorance would continue unabated after the election
Several of us here predicted it. We knew they would clean lose their minds.
It's still terrifying to watch.
~
naive in Montreal
Montréal, je t'aime!
Richard Feynman was offered Mensa membership, but declined, with regrets and, perhaps, tongue in cheek, citing his measured IQ of 125. Not up to their standards, his intelligence...
ProfWombat
ProfWombat Johnson is right!
For my money, Feynman is about fourth on the all time physicist list: Newton, Galileo, Einstein, Feynman, Maxwell, Archimedes, maybe Huygens, after this it gets pretty tough.
IQ, Schmi-Q. It's all about achievement, not some stupid metric on a dumb test.
Some trolls think Vaterland should be used instead of alma mater.
Obama chooses Ala doctor as next surgeon general
and, she's a thousand times better than Sanjay Gupta!!
habeus corpus is an idiomatic American expression, didn't you know?
weird. They're losing every last minority vote in the country as a consequence
That's true, but racisim is one of their core values. Sexism is another. They can't help themselves. They'd rather, as the old ad said, "Fight than switch." They can read the population data as well as we can, but they just can't actually wrap their widdle heads around the fact that they're soon going to be an irrelevant minority.
nope. alma mateer is used in French to mean "school I graduated from"
and since I learned the expression at McGill it's used in Canada as well
sebs tells me it's used in Spanish
mimi | Homepage | 07.13.09 - 11:45 am | #
Since it's Latin, it is probably used in all the Romance languages. You should know that, being the World's Greatest Polyglot.
Got into a fight in ninth grade with fellow members of a history club, over the issue of whether or not to screen and select members, rather than just welcome anybody who shows up...
Legal latin can be kind of dumb/oblique.
Buckeye, mine goes to eleven.
cosmic tumbler : Meltdown is when the troll talks to itself.
It's gearing up for a threeway conversation, thinking we won't notice and get dragged into it.
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mine is: do you hate certain people because of their race?
only one race dude/dudette
do you hate aspects their culture? is the hue of their skin the wrong shade of capuccino? Do you hate them because they dance way better than you? If so you could be a republican
Re: Puerto Rico Quarter (Cliff Clavin Factoid)
The mintages for the Puerto Rico Quarter marked the lowest for a quarter dollar coin on record since the 1960s. The reduced production is a result of the economy. The Philadelphia Mint produced 53,000,000 coins and the Denver Mint produced 86,000,000 coins.
I've never had my IQ measured, or even know anybody who has had it measured.
Several of us here predicted it. We knew they would clean lose their minds.
It's still terrifying to watch.
~
Meander
I thought political necessity would mandate a toning down of the rhetoric -- instead they've turned it up.
I guess they are either so secure in their cozy relationships with corporate money that they think their power will continue completely out of proportion to their numbers, or
*wait for it*
they're busy shoring up the base!!
portia
She looks outstanding.
and, she's a thousand times better than Sanjay Gupta!!
portia
good job, president obama!
I thought this would all play out during the election - it never occurred to my fool head that the vile ignorance would continue unabated after the election
naive in montreal | 07.13.09 - 11:46 am | #
I think, in some circles, it's going to get worse.
habeas corpus actually means whatthe latin says.
not so alma mater.
besides habeas corpus is law french, not latin.
so you fail some more.
I am far from the world's best polyglot. I am far from being the best polyglot in my own family!
My brother was much, much better at languages than I.
48% of the female vote went to Bush in 2004.
Hemingway revealed as failed KGB spy
Guardian UK ^ | 7/9/09
If he was a KGB spy, where was his leather topcoat and slouched hat?
portia: on its face, she's a huge improvement over Gupta, and much more what I'd haave expected from Obama on a good day...
IQ, Schmi-Q. It's all about achievement, not some stupid metric on a dumb test.
David Derbes, optimistic | 07.13.09 - 11:48 am | #
only the most important predictor of success in any human activity. more than self efficacy, more than state or trait coping, more than any SES indicator, more than health.
you probably think genetics is stupid too.
euphronius, you will be the world's worst lawyer.
I've never had my IQ measured, or even know anybody who has had it measured.
MP |
they were mandatory back when i was a young child in school, everyone got one. my parents didn't tell us kids the results until we graduated from high school. they didn't think it was important at all and didn't want it to interfere with the process of our education.
Oh! Didn't know Al was on the Judiciary Committee!
only the most important predictor of success in any human activity
That is incorrect.
Noron is set to cackle.
From those early days she has emerged as a national leader in the call to improve health disparities, pushed by the need in her own fishing community of Bayou La Batre, Ala., and its diverse patient mix — where immigrants from Vietnam, Cambodia and Laos make up a growing part of the population.
Her nonprofit clinic was rebuilt by volunteers after being destroyed by Katrina, only to burn down months later. Benjamin later told of her patients' desperation that she rebuild again, recalling one woman who handed her an envelope with a $7 donation to help.
"If she can find $7, I can figure out the rest," Benjamin said last fall as she received a $500,000 MacArthur Foundation "genius grant," money she dedicated to finishing that job.
Can I play in this game too?
And euph when he is show for what he is says whatever. lol
Had my IQ measured. Found out I was good at taking IQ tests, and that's about it...
besides habeas corpus is law french, not latin.
so you fail some more.
euphronius failure | 07.13.09 - 11:50 am | #
good fucking god. drop it dude. you are making a fool of yourself. habeas corpus is latin. it may be french law but only because latin is the universal language of law.
you made a fool out of yourself by trying to "get" mimi on the alma mater bit. just let it go.
only the most important predictor of success in any human activity. more than self efficacy, more than state or trait coping, more than any SES indicator, more than health.
According to whom? According to what measure of "success"? Where's the evidence?
you probably think genetics is stupid too.
Non-sequitur, much?
cosmic tumbler : Meltdown is when the troll talks to itself.
It's gearing up for a threeway conversation, thinking we won't notice and get dragged into it.
~
And there's the third. Like clockwork.
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Wow, a SG with a MacArthur grant.
Elitist!!!!
One reason, among many, that people associate Republicans with racism and sexism is not simply their attacks on people like Sonia Sotomayor, of all people, for allegedly not being intellectual or intelligent,
it's the blithe assurance that people like Karl Rove, of all people, are qualified to make such judgments in the first place. The attacks on Sotomayor are clearly based in part in on her race and gender, though the conservatives would oppose anyone Obama nominated. What is equally, if not more, appalling, is the confidence that people who have clearly demonstrated that they are not too bright have in denigrating such a brilliant, hard-working, and successful person. Self-esteem is a fine thing, but it's painfully obvious that
a soulless dolt like Karl Rove wouldn't have gotten very far in life absent
an XY chromosome, pinkish hue and profound lack of ethics.
they were mandatory back when i was a young child in school, everyone got one.
We had a crapload of "aptitude" tests back in school, and I remembered scoring pretty well on those, but none of them were characterized as IQ tests.
That is incorrect.
Tlazolteotl | 07.13.09 - 11:52 am | #
what's a stronger predictor? self efficacy is huge, but doesn't come close. name it.
only the most important predictor of success in any human activity. more than self efficacy, more than state or trait coping, more than any SES indicator, more than health.
Wrong!
I am interested in hearing the marsupial's IQ. I bet it's over 140.
They'd rather, as the old ad said, "Fight than switch."
The lonesome cry pierced the night air... somewhere in the dark a lonely wingnut cried out, "Wolverines!" And he damn well meant it!
Man I could use a Terryton's right about now
fuck off, jack
We had a crapload of "aptitude" tests back in school, and I remembered scoring pretty well on those, but none of them were characterized as IQ tests.
MP | 07.13.09 - 11:54 am | #
they are all just hidden IQ tests. for example the SAT is just an IQ test. they all are. but they are illegal in the USA educational settings so they have to be given other names.
they were mandatory back when i was a young child in school, everyone got one
Don't IQs change over time, as your intelligence changes relative to your age? I mean, I'm sure there is autocorrelation, but there is legitimate shift in IQ as people age, yes? (I would also think it easier to measure in adults, but not sure.)
Non-sequitur, much?
David Derbes, optimistic | 07.13.09 - 11:53 am | #
That's its modus operandi.
Which is also Latin.
portia: on its face, she's a huge improvement over Gupta, and much more what I'd haave expected from Obama on a good day...
ProfWombat
Change we can believe in!
self discipline, for one.
But you know, you're not worth my time, so that's all you get. Go google for yourself, if you are interested in anything but your smug self-satisfaction.
only the most important predictor of success in any human activity
That is incorrect.
Tlazolteotl
Multiple regression analyzes indicate IQ accounts for only 20% of academic success, less in non-academic environments.
the tough streets of arlington
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4...h?
v=4T1RMuoQnKo
Wrong!
leibniz leibkins ♘☮ | 07.13.09 - 11:54 am | #
name the stronger predictor. go ahead.
Did they ask for her uterus yet?
The best indicator of one's stupidity is their citing of their IQ.
Multiple regression analyzes indicate IQ accounts for only 20% of academic success, less in non-academic environments.
cosmic tumbler | 07.13.09 - 11:56 am | #
what accounts for MORE?
i saw it before it was blocked
they were mandatory back when i was a young child in school, everyone got one. my parents didn't tell us kids the results until we graduated from high school.
Gee, I don't think they even told our parents. Although I think the last one I took was around 6th grade.
Whatever it was then, I'm sure it's at least ten points lower now...
Stephen Jay Gould wrote a lot of books about IQ tests and ways to measure "intelligence". His conclusion: intelligence is too widely defined to be able to measure and can be culture or gender specific.
Mine goes to eleven!!!!!
Beautiful post, O TrÜth, written with your usual golden keyboard.
The best indicator of one's stupidity is their citing of their IQ.
rm - Z list
Second best.
The best is citing Mensa membership.
The best indicator of one's stupidity is their citing of their IQ.
rm - Z list | 07.13.09 - 11:57 am | # [kill][hide comm
and lack of credibility, aye.
name the stronger predictor. go ahead.
sebs
In 'Merka, that's easy.
Degree of avarice.
I'm guessin' C/T's IQ is about. . . (holds out hands in front, a good distance apart). . .
The marsupial has the decency to not advertise his intellect, lest it become a talking point in and of itself.
He's plenty smart, intellectually and otherwise. Let us respect his decision.
The ID score (inane drivel) of many republicans is off the charts.
I remembered scoring pretty well on those, but none of them were characterized as IQ tests.
MP |
we weren't supposed to know what they were. they gave us a mess of standardized tests, too, all across the elementary and secondary school years, but not all of them were shown to me. i don't know how it was for other kids or what it's like everywhere today.
i remember one year, fourth grade or something, the teacher's aide "accidentally" scored my best friend to have a score like mine, so i wouldn't be the only (black) one in the class to have it. the teacher later had to correct it; even then i could perceive the racism going on there. being on topic. also. i best soto had it even worse, as she's quite a bit older than i am. who even knows how many times she had to prove she "deserved" to be where she was.
The best indicator of one's stupidity is their citing of their IQ.
rm - Z list
Second best.
The best is citing Mensa membership.
Gummo
Listing their degrees. Douche-tastic.
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I heard scoring high on "emotional intelligence" tests was a bigger predictor of success than IQ.
My brother was much, much better at languages than I. - mimi
moi!moi! killed him in a fit of envy.
self discipline, for one.
But you know, you're not worth my time, so that's all you get.
Tlazolteotl | 07.13.09 - 11:56 am | #
LOL. you are out of your depth.
Self discipline? more than IQ? please shoe me the study.
Well, IQ isn't exactly an independent variable. You can argue from here 'til next Kwanzaa about IQ. Doesn't matter, in the end. You have to give everybody what they need. There are enough outliers, even if you accept IQ (or inheritability), to make an individual measurement less than useful. And there's the danger of a single measurement being a self-fulfilling prophecy amongst those charged with educating a student, or a classroom full of students of certain inherited characteristics, of which physiognomy is by far the most obvious.
As always when this comes up, I cite Stephen Jay Gould's 'Mismeasure of Man'...
Grassley: All judges should be blindfolded so they can't see us taking corporate bribes.
Good Lord, that Sessions dood has some way dead eyes.
Troutski, HFM | 07.13.09 - 11:41 am | #
His eyes are the windows to his way dead soul.
Via the "liberal" SF Kronk:
Sen. Dianne Feinstein's opening statement in the Supreme Court nomination of Judge Sonia Sotomayor indicated she thinks much of what is said and promised by nominees in Senate confirmation hearings is a bunch of bunk.
Feinstein is an easy yes vote on Sotomayor, but she used her statement to take a swipe at Chief Justice John Roberts, who in his confirmation described judges as umpires whose job is to call balls and strikes, not play the game.
Feinstein's words could be read as part justification for her partisan votes on Roberts and Alito...
I wonder how many Republics who vote against Sotomayor the Kronk will label as "partisan"?
no bo, my brother died of an aortic aneurism.
President Obama has chosen Regina Benjamin, a family physician from Alabama, to be the next Surgeon General, filling a key public health post ahead of an expected surge in the H1N1 flu next fall, White House sources said.
Benjamin gained fame through her public efforts to rebuild her rural health clinic after Hurricane Katrina devastated it. She founded the Bayou La Batre Rural Health Clinic in 1990 and rebuilt it after the hurricane.
Benjamin has also served as the first black woman to head the State of Alabama Medical Association and was associate dean for rural health at the University of South Alabama's College of Medicine.
As always when this comes up, I cite Stephen Jay Gould's 'Mismeasure of Man'...
ProfWombat
Phrenology is the only true measure of intellgience!
only the most important predictor of success in any human activity.
I prefer the "who do you want stuck on an island with you" test.
The mechanic at the marina and the local pyro, I think...
we can only hope you also get a aortic aneurism. preferably sooner.
someone tested my IQ once. I ate his liver.
I heard scoring high on "emotional intelligence" tests was a bigger predictor of success than IQ.
mimi | Homepage | 07.13.09 - 11:58 am | #
In your case, it's certainly a bigger predictor of success boinking 95 year old rich guys.
Phrenology is the only true measure of intellgience!
Gummo
You have the brain-pan of a common stagecoach-tilter!
Be careful sebs, Tlaz hates men, all men. Best to leave that dog lye.
sebs, how do you say "wombat" in spanish?
IQ scores are reliable indicators of how well one does on IQ tests.
That's about it...
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euph, not nice, even considering the target.
I heard scoring high on "emotional intelligence" tests was a bigger predictor of success than IQ.
mimi | Homepage | 07.13.09 - 11:58 am | #
EQ is a pop psychology term. it is not a term you hear among psychometricians.
there may be such a thing, and self efficacy, state and trait coping, and social support may all go in it. but thats essentially throwing the kitchen sink at it.
Whatever it was then, I'm sure it's at least ten points lower now...
dave™©
dood, right? i seriously doubt i could get the GRE score i got today, if i had to take it again. tests are for young people/at the beginning of their educations. i've totally lost that knack.
and it's odd, because i'm sure i know more today than i did back then. i may not be using it all or correctly, but the experience counts for a lot, that much i know.
Prof Wombat, you owe me a sparking mineral wasser.
I mentionned Stephen Jay earlier.
it would be for the greater good roadmaster. thats for sure.
they gave us a mess of standardized tests, too, all across the elementary and secondary school years
We got a lot of those, too. We actually liked them, because we got to use that new-fangled "fill in the bubble with a #2 pencil" forms and then a COMPUTER scored them!
The difference in those days, however, was the tests didn't really have a direct impact on whether or not you graduated or not.
LOL. you are out of your depth.
Self discipline? more than IQ? please shoe me the study.
sebs | 07.13.09 - 11:58 am | #
Have fun.
sebs, how do you say "wombat" in spanish?
mimi | Homepage | 07.13.09 - 12:01 pm | #
i confess i don't know what a wombat is in english! i know its some kind of animal.
Phrenology is the only true measure of intellgience!
Gummo
Is that a fancy name for Lumpology?
have to run people. have a meeting at noon. bye mimi!
please shoe me the study.
I thought Ed Sullivan was dead!
Heh
someone tested my IQ once. I ate his liver.
There's a connection between consumption of body organs and brain size.
We know it knows how to google.
From memory (it was a long time ago), I recall thinking that if you read a lot, those standardized test weren't all that difficult to score in the higher percentiles.
Reading comprehension was a big part of the ones I took.
BG, Tlazolteotl - sebs is in a threeway with julio and mememememe.
Don't get slimed.
~
The best indicator of one's arrogant stupidity is their citing of their IQ.
rm - Z list | 07.13.09 - 11:57 am | #
Offered as a friendly amendment.
Comment by sebs blocked.
Looks like I made the right decision a long time ago...
This discussion of predicting "success" is amusing in that success is not being operationally defined.
Success at what? Being a troll?
We got a lot of those, too. We actually liked them, because we got to use that new-fangled "fill in the bubble with a #2 pencil" forms and then a COMPUTER scored them!
The difference in those days, however, was the tests didn't really have a direct impact on whether or not you graduated or not.
dave™© | Homepage | 07.13.09 - 12:02 pm | #
I enjoyed all those tests. They included math, English, mechanical reasoning, spatial relationships, and a few others.
I thought Ed Sullivan was dead!
dave™© | Homepage | 07.13.09 - 12:03 pm | #
Right here on our stage --- 400 Polish dentists!
have to run people. have a meeting at noon. bye sebs!
mimi
Now the SAT was a bitch, cuz there was math on it.
it would be for the greater good roadmaster. thats for sure.
euphronius failure
Color me consistent, but I really have a tough time wishing death on anyone, even Cheney.
Best to let the guiltiest suffer from their sins within a jail cell.
Since thre seems to be an IQ arguement going on, perhaps someone can answer a quesiton for me.
There was a push in the 70's to IQ test "gifted" kids. I was technically a "gifted" kid, but didn't get mine tested because I was diagnosed "hyperactive" and was on meds. They told my folks I couldn't take the test either on or off the meds becuaser the results would be inavalid.
My folks didn't give a rat's ass anyway, so no big. Has anyone else heard of somehting like this. I suspect it may have been unique to my school district, which did all sorts of wierd shit in the 70s.
here is an out and out racist.
cornyn
Oh, Christ - here comes Cornyn...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wombat
wikipedia entry for wombat (in English)
First:
LOL. you are out of your depth.
Self discipline? more than IQ? please shoe me the study.
sebs | 07.13.09 - 11:58 am | #
Have fun.
Brooklyn Girl, shady dame | Homepage | 07.13.09 - 12:02 pm | #
Soon after:
have to run people. have a meeting at noon. bye mimi!
sebs | 07.13.09 - 12:03 pm | #
Hilarious.
Gardner's theory of multiple intelligences.
I think I'd fail a Mensa test because I'm really, really bad at unscrambling words. And word unscrambling seems to be a large part of the American Airlines magazine Mensa puzzles.
I enjoyed all those tests.
Wasn't too thrilled with the math parts. But they did include a lot of reading comprehension and "reasoning," which I was good at then and made up for the less-than-stellar math.
At least I think. Again, we never got any "scores" back on any of those standardized tests.
mimi: yup, with a slice of lime if you choose
He attacked the use of Spearman's 'G', a single number applied to intelligence. More recent additions added a goodly postscript demolishing Murray and Herrnstein's 'The Bell Curve'...
we never had intelligence tests with paper and pencil. instead we were dropped into pits filled with venomous rats and forced to either improvise helicopters out of scrap metal, sand, and stale candybars, or die in horrible pain.
wombat, my philosophy is "fuck testing. how about we feed these kids a good breakfast, all of them, and make sure they are getting a good night's sleep and plenty of adult/parental interaction?"
that's the cheapest, easiest, best and fastest way to a Productive Society and Economy. i really don't know why TPTB hate us all so much we can't even get that out of them.
We got a lot of those, too. We actually liked them, because we got to use that new-fangled "fill in the bubble with a #2 pencil" forms and then a COMPUTER scored them!
Were those the Iowas? I remember those from grade and jr high school.
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I don't know how you guys can watch this. I'm really sick of listening to ignorant senators spew their crap.
Color me consistent, but I really have a tough time wishing death on anyone, even Cheney.
Best to let the guiltiest suffer from their sins within a jail cell.
Roadmaster, Vinyl Addict
Not for the first time, Roadmaster speaks for me.
"I think it's an awesome testament to the Republican Party that people can pull themselves up, work hard, and succeed. But since you're a brown woman and a liberal, fuck you."
The best I ever tested was in my sophomore year of HS.
All downhill since then - emotional burn-out and depression have taken a toll.
it would be for the greater good roadmaster. thats for sure.
euphronius failure
Color me consistent, but I really have a tough time wishing death on anyone, even Cheney.
Best to let the guiltiest suffer from their sins within a jail cell.
Roadmaster, Vinyl Addict
We were talking about that earlier this am - Darth isn't going to go quietly. I'm betting on a full-scale Mad Scientist / Doomed Dictator / BWAHAHA ending for him in the next year. Simels thinks he'll go out like Cody Jarrett: "Top of the world, Ma!"
~
rootless, how old are you?
Most of Wall Street, and America, is still waiting for an economic recovery. Then there is Goldman Sachs.
Up and down Wall Street, analysts and traders are buzzing that Goldman, which only recently paid back its government bailout money, will report blowout profits from trading on Tuesday.
Analysts predict the bank earned a profit of more than $2 billion in the March-June period, because of its trading prowess across world markets. If they are right, the bank’s rivals will once again be left to wonder exactly how Goldman, long the envy of Wall Street, could have rebounded so drastically only months after the nation’s financial industry was shaken to its foundations. . . .
Startling, too, is how much of its revenue Goldman is expected to share with its employees. Analysts estimate that the bank will set aside enough money to pay a total of $18 billion in compensation and benefits this year to its 28,000 employees, or more than $600,000 an employee. Top producers stand to earn millions.
Congrats to the new Surgeon General.
If she was Canadian, her name would rhyme with Vagina.
If they are right, the bank’s rivals will once again be left to wonder exactly how Goldman, long the envy of Wall Street, could have rebounded so drastically only months after the nation’s financial industry was shaken to its foundations. . . .
such a mystery.
rootless, how old are you?
Julio | 07.13.09 - 12:07 pm | #
108 in the shade.
The Regina Benjamin nomination is making me weepy.
Good thing she's not a supreme court nominee where the content of her heart shouldn't matter.
.
we never had intelligence tests with paper and pencil. instead we were dropped into pits filled with venomous rats and forced to either improvise helicopters out of scrap metal, sand, and stale candybars, or die in horrible pain.
Hey, are you going to the reunion this year? See you there. . .
rootless, that sounds rough. heh, but it's funny, i was just talking to someone about nerdlust and brain tests and stuff like that. tests are silly, but real intellectual challenges under the pressure of time or great responsibility really are hawt. for me at least.
The best predictor of whether someone takes something seriously is whether they are good at it or not.
"Created new rights spun from whole cloth."
Wombat, and all those cranial measurements!
The Regina Benjamin nomination is making me weepy.
Good thing she's not a supreme court nominee where the content of her heart shouldn't matter.
.
Sparkle Plenty
Watch some asshat from the Moonie Times ask for her opinion on masturbation.
"ZOMG! The courts told The Bear which wood to choose on the fairway!"
Regina , Regina
Virginia, Vagina
Let's call the whole thing off...
Do you think you are witty rootless?
It's interesting how people's brains work.
Some pick up math principles quite easily, and others contantly struggle with them.
Some glide through reading comprehension way ahead of the pack.
Not watching. How bad is it?
(a) Not bad
(b) Semi-bad
(c) Bad
(d) Really bad
(e) Sarah Palin explaining the relationship between bond prices and interest rate bad
I've been through Bayou La Batre a time or two. It ain't Park Avenue.
Delighted to see this Surgeon General. Hope it causes multiple wingnut head explosions.
And word unscrambling seems to be a large part of the American Airlines magazine Mensa puzzles.
So true, my friend. That, and stupid formula construction problems (if Susie was twice as old as her sister was two years ago...). Pretty much convinced me that their organization was a joke.
The Regina Benjamin nomination is making me weepy.
Don't get too weepy. Remember what happened to Joycelyn Elders.
I think I'd fail a Mensa test because I'm really, really bad at unscrambling words. And word unscrambling seems to be a large part of the American Airlines magazine Mensa puzzles.
R. McGeddon | 07.13.09 - 12:05 pm | #
And I'm not a fan of the programmed analogies ... I'd always see relationships that weren't listed.
108 in the shade.
rootless-e
but with windchill it's more like 87, right?
The Court needs to get "back on course"? That's right, Cornyn thinks the current crop of robes is too liberal.
Psycho...
(c) Bad
(d) Really bad
(e) Sarah Palin explaining the relationship between
bond prices and interest rate bad
(f) also
I think I'd fail a Mensa test because I'm really, really bad at unscrambling words. And word unscrambling seems to be a large part of the American Airlines magazine Mensa puzzles.
R. McGeddon
The Mensa-type puzzles I've seen involve mostly pattern recognition and visual relationships...
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Julio!
I am out of here! my work here is done!
rootless and euph should try their act on the road. Maybe touch base with chinless simels.
"The American people wanted the negroes to remain slaves. Goddamned judges just made up rights."
Delighted to see this Surgeon General. Hope it causes multiple wingnut head explosions.
David Derbes, optimistic
Not for the first time, David Derbes speaks for me (assuming the head explosions are figurative rather than literal - I detest unnecessary splatter of cranial matter.)
The Court needs to get "back on course"? That's right, Cornyn thinks the current crop of robes is too liberal.
Psycho...
fred
"It's all been downhill since they ordered the darkies to ride at the front of the bus!"
Gotta get back to work. Later, rational ones.
I wonder if people with an aptitude for playing a musical instrument are also good at picking up mathematical concepts.
Music is very math oriented, IMO.
wombat, my philosophy is "fuck testing. how about we feed these kids a good breakfast, all of them, and make sure they are getting a good night's sleep and plenty of adult/parental interaction?"
that's the cheapest, easiest, best and fastest way to a Productive Society and Economy. i really don't know why TPTB hate us all so much we can't even get that out of them.
chicago dyke, blissful
Knew a Catholic priest at Seminary, who was always bemused by the grading/ranking system employed there (same as any school I ever attended.)
He explained that in Catholic seminary, you entered and left when the teachers deemed you'd learned what you needed to know, not when you'd completed the course work on a calendar and scored acceptable grades.
I think the "one-room schoolhouse" ran on much the same concept, and I'm sure if you looked into the history of education, you'd find that grading and ranking by year was simply a method to control and 'standardize' a population.
It is not, IOW, fundamental to pedagogy. But we still act like it is. Keeps an industry in business, too (I still remember when SAT INSISTED you could NOT study for the SAT. Ah, those were the days, when tests were mystical windows into the soul...er, mind...er, future...er, whatever.)
but with windchill it's more like 87, right?
chicago dyke, blissful | Homepage | 07.13.09 - 12:11 pm | #
I don't look a day over 212 in the right light.
I'd always see relationships that weren't listed.
As my teachers used to say, pick the BEST answer, the one that comes CLOSEST to being correct. And I was like, why don't you make up a question that makes fucking sense instead?
Sweet. He's pullin' a Palin. Bad sports analogy!
I don't know how you guys can watch this. I'm really sick of listening to ignorant senators spew their crap. - pie
Watching in small doses, just verify that they are as vile as I remember.
memememe, sebs, Julio.
It acts like we haven't noticed.
~
Figurative, RM, and thanks.
Anyone know if the military GCT that recruits take is an IQ test?
Mimi!
I am out of here! my work here is done!
Julio/
What a cool woman. She seems to fit so perfectly with all that Obama has said is important to health care reform in our country.
I just love having people like this wanting to be in government again.
.
Cornyn is about as coherent as Palin.
Have a nice evening mimi.
rootless and euph should try their act on the road. Maybe touch base with chinless simels.
Julio | 07.13.09 - 12:11 pm | #
Butler, old horse! How's it hanging, buddy?
"Americans need to know whether you'll uphold the right of Minutemen to keep shooting beaners, as enshrined in the 2nd Amendment."
Goddamnit. Does this mean Dr. Dre is not gonna be surgeon general?
Wish I could get the feeling out of my gut that this hearing is just more of the same--humiliate, destroy, control, and terrorize another woman.
"The American people wanted the negroes to remain slaves. Goddamned judges just made up rights."
John Cornyn: Dumb motherfucker!
and a beverage to fred for noting the Palinitude of Cornyn.
I just love having people like this WELCOME in government again.
.
Sparkle Plenty
Also.
Republicans are fucking robots. They all give the same canned speech.
Those tests are mostly random bullshit where you have to guess at the twisted mind of the person who created them in order to have a chance at success.
So, very good preparation for the real world.
I wonder if people with an aptitude for playing a musical instrument are also good at picking up mathematical concepts.
Music is very math oriented, IMO.
MP
Stuart Copeland's father (story goes) was a jazz (big band, IIRC) musician, got drafted for WWII. They figured he was a musician (i.e., dumb) but tested him. Immediately placed him in intelligence work, breaking codes and such.
Turns out musicians are usually very intelligent, and yes, very good with math. Quelle surprise, as we say in Lubbock.
Goddamnit. Does this mean Dr. Dre is not gonna be surgeon general?
'fraid not, Res!
Vanilla Coke, Bo. In honor of Cornyn.
Thanks.
Wish I could get the feeling out of my gut that this hearing is just more of the same--humiliate, destroy, control, and terrorize another woman.
dh
She can take it, just fine. It's really part of the test. She will be confirmed.
Cornyn is about as coherent as Palin.
bo | 07.13.09 - 12:13 pm | #
Meritocracy. These people got where they are based on sheer talent and hard work. No affirmative action for them, no siree.
Goddamnit. Does this mean Dr. Dre is not gonna be surgeon general.
Well, Dr. John, didn't get it, either.
cornyn was the most reasonable of the goopers. that doesnt mean he wasnt offensive and rewriting her statements wholesale and making up his own reality.
We need to cut these remarks down to five minutes. Designate one senator from each side to speak for that party.
Goddamnit. Does this mean Dr. Dre is not gonna be surgeon general.
Well, Dr. John, didn't get it, either.
bo | 07.13.09 - 12:15 pm
I was lobbying for Dr. Demento...
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Sotomayor can take it. Unlike some Governors I could mention.
And if I hear about Erik Estrada one more goddamn time...
Sheldon Whitehouse is calling out the Rs use of "codewords".
Thank you Senator Whitehouse!!!
i fear Dre would be far too anxious to practice his love on the nation's women to be a good SG, res. he'd be way too cute in that uniform, too. 
We need to cut these remarks down to five minutes. Designate one senator from each side to speak for that party.
Monica_A: Giggity!
Senators giving up face time on camera?
You'd have an easier time convincing sharks to give up chum.
I'm taking my guidance for watching the hearings from the law professor from UT on NPR this weekend. Asked if he'd be watching the hearings, he said he would be if it was 106F in Austin.
I don't think it is yet, so I can at least go outside here and stay away from the TeeVee.
As always when this comes up, I cite Stephen Jay Gould's 'Mismeasure of Man'...
On usenet, one of Phyllis Schafly's sons used to claim arguments in Mismeasure of Man were invalid because Gould never publicly repudiated his parent for being Marxists....
Shorter Linseed Graham, if only Sotomayor had a penis like Estrada.
Senator Whitehouse from R.I. is really an impressive guy.
Okay, I have to watch Sen. Whitehouse.
He rawks!
every single bar exam multiple choice question has 2 right answers. at least.
And now Whitehouse is going after Roberts for playing with his balls, er, his umpire analogy.
whitehouse has the gravitas to call out Roberts and his umpire bs by NAME, rather than the merky attack from DIFI.
associate dean for rural health at the University of South Alabama's College of Medicine.
Unrepentant Fenian | 07.13.09 - 12:00 pm | #
HAHAHAHA! Univeristy of South Alabama is in the heart of Jeff Session's territory.
Whitehouse has a big can of whoopass opened up.
simels has no game but he still could give rootless and euph some help. Damn, I never thought that I would ever say that about chinless.
And if I hear about Erik Estrada one more goddamn time...
Monica_A: Giggity!
He had a stunning rendition of "Take Me Out To The Ball Game" during the 7th inning stretch at Wrigley last week.
Golden Throat-Worthy.
Sheldon Whitehouse is calling out the Rs use of "codewords".
This really doesn't bother me. Kinda like two morans relishing their inside joke that I'm trying to ignore.
I like this Sheldon Whitehouse guy. He's really givin it to the activist Roberts court.
Dr. Dre! Don't just stand there -- OPERATE!
Wish I could get the feeling out of my gut that this hearing is just more of the same--humiliate, destroy, control, and terrorize another woman.
dh
She can take it, just fine. It's really part of the test. She will be confirmed.
She can and she will. Doesn't make it ok for them to be doing this to her. Course, if we called it a high-tech raping of a woman, that would be uncivil.
And now Whitehouse is going after Roberts for playing with his balls, er, his umpire analogy.
"Some umpire." HA!
No affirmative action for them, no siree.
rootless-e
white people, esp old rich white men, are always the most qualified for whatever position they happen to hold. This is Known. their astounding, superhero like abilities propel them to the top, every time. as a mere mortal brown person, you just have to get used to this.
Senator Whitehouse from R.I. is really an impressive guy.
dh
a future POTUS perhaps!
Wow. Whitehouse is tearing Roberts a new asshole. "Some umpire".
Well, after that smackdown of the Roberts/Alito court, I have to conclude that Sheldon Whitehouse is my new personal hero.
Amazing....and what a pleasure to hear an unabashed principled and passionate liberal on my teebee for a change.
Sheldon Whitehouse is calling out the Rs use of "codewords".
Thank you Senator Whitehouse!!!
portia | 07.13.09 - 12:17 pm | #
I like him.
More like that, please!
IDK CD. i know a lot of really old white lawyers who are damn good.
We need to cut these remarks down to five minutes. Designate one senator from each side to speak for that party.
Monica_A: Giggity! | 07.13.09 - 12:15 pm | #
I disagree. Just because it's grandstanding doesn't make the annoying crap they pull less legitimate as an exercise in democracy. Remember, these idiots were elected by someone, at least, and they all have support.
More words. Not less. IMHO
Whitehouse/Franken 2016!!!
yea, if only Whouse was as consistent a vote in the Senate as he is on the hearing mike.
take a look at fisa.
Cornyn loves the Dred Scott v. Sandford ruling.
the Jeffrey Toobin article that Whitehouse referenced:
http://www.newyorker.com/
reporti...currentPage=all
All I know about testing I learned from my father, the math teacher.
He'd write a problem on the board and assign the class to bring in the answer the next day. That night, he'd sit at the dinner table and try and figure it out himself. Invariably, several people would come in with the "right" answer, but via a different route. That was cool...
"high-tech raping of a woman"
Oy...
Erik Estrada?
The Republicans are using Erik Estrada as a counterweight to Judge Sotomayor?
A man who's entire experience with the Justice System was playing a Motorcycle cop on a TV show?
ty portia
Send Senator Whitehouse a Del's!
Obama: The Anti-Reagan
Pajamas Media ^ | July 12 | AWR Hawkins
Among the 43 men who held the office of president before Barack Obama, the late Ronald Reagan stands out as one of few who defended America and her interests regardless of the political costs.
It was Reagan who told us that we were exceptional because our nation was exceptional. It was he who pulled us from the mire of the Carter years by reminding us we had a rendezvous with destiny and an obligation to be a shining city on a hill. And it was he who won the Cold War through an approach combining diplomacy with the willingness to employ guns and bombers when pens and papers weren’t enough.
But the pendulum has swung, and Obama stands before us as the anti-Reagan.
It's right to be anti-Reagan 'cause Reagan was the anti-Christ.
Anybody know if they are going to re-run this stuff tonight? I'm missing Whitehouse and it's pissing me off.
simels has no game but he still could give rootless and euph some help. Damn, I never thought that I would ever say that about chinless.
Julio | 07.13.09 - 12:19 pm | #
What's with the chinless shit, Butler? You used to be upset about my bug-eyes.
Luckily, Sotomayor is not a stupid, inbred, racist idiot retard cracker like Sessions.
Whitehouse/Franken 2016!!!
If for no other reason than a Whitehouse in the White House would really confuse wingnuts.
Somehow I think of this as gang rape but I wouldn't call it high tech perzactly. When the powerful are doing it I don't think they can get any lower.
Shut up, Tweety!
I like Whitehouse in part, because he's not grabby for the spotlight.
He's a heads down lawmaker.
Shorter (R) at hearings
"When you're a Jet, You're a Jet"
Erik Estrada v David Cone.
Is it just me or is this just weird.
You used to be upset about my bug-eyes.
"Bug-Eyed and Chinless"... isn't that a Talking Heads number?
What's with all the fucking sports analogies? Are C-Span viewers the same people who watch ESPN?
The Republicans are using Erik Estrada as a counterweight to Judge Sotomayor?
These days you could use Erik Estrada as a counterweight to a Toyota Tacoma. Seen him lately?
I hope TPM or someone will have it, as MSNBC just went to a commercial.
Boy, Whitehouse really laid it all out.
Bugeyed and Chinless -- they're cops!
Shut up, Tweety!
pie
Oh damn, Tweety's back from vacay!
You talking to me simels? Didn't you say you shaved your beard and found that you had no chin? Of course you did. lol
FISA vote:
http://www.senate.gov/legislativ...on=2&
vote=00020
whitehouse with the trolls.
reed of RI with the people.
CJ Roberts used the Umpire analogy. blame on him, really.
Are Evil GOP Senators the same people who watch ESPN?
fred | 07.13.09 - 12:23 pm | #
Yes
Bugeyed and Chinless -- they're cops!
Gummo | 07.13.09 - 12:23 pm | #
Where's Dick Tracy when you need him?
What's with all the fucking sports analogies? Are C-Span viewers the same people who watch ESPN?
House bound agoraphobes?
Oay, switched to CSpan.
Jeebus H Christ, will somebody go download the amazingly rare song I have posted over at the homepage?
Seriously...I've been trying to find it for twenty-five fricking years; the least you could do is go over there and thank me for putting it up.
whitehouse with the trolls.
reed of RI with the people.
peterboy | 07.13.09 - 12:24 pm | #
Wellstone voted for DOMA. Your point?
i know a lot of really old white lawyers who are damn good.
euphronius failure
all i'm saying is that just because wind chill flies out of the asses of superbeing old white males doesn't mean that proportionally, there are not an equal number of exceptional people of color or women who could be doing the same job just as well. the question is "why?" why doesn't our society reflect the scientific truth of the equal distribution of ability? and you know why: it's not the damn good white people, it's the mediocre ones. they don't want the competition and won't give up the privilege unless forced to.
CJ Roberts used the Umpire analogy. blame on him, really.
The Supreme Court needs instant replay.
Even Tweety thought Whitehouse was terrific. Best statement so far.
Great idea: make the goopers defend Roberts and the Rightards.
Sotomayor looked like she was getting choked up while Whitehouse was speaking.
Even his gravatar has no chin.
A woman for Surgeon General? And she's one of those brown people?! I bet she's probably not even a good fundagelical Christianist ob/gyn like Tom Coburn who understands that uteruses are dirty icky things that make baby Jeezus cry.
Shocking, I say. Cue wingnut outrage!
Even Tweety thought Whitehouse was terrific. Best statement so far.
Yes, but he talked over him to tell us that and then went to commerical.
Did Whitehouse rip Roberts and Alito over Lilly Ledbetter?
Too bad Lilly wasn't a white male.
Yay, us! We finally let a Puerto Rican woman get near the Supreme Court Bench without being a defendant!
Wonder if this testimony is privileged because the Sen. from OK is there?
CD the president is black. racism is over.
duh..
(snark)
"It's a testament to the Republican Party that a beaner wench like yourself can have the honor of being in our presence."
Rinse. Repeat.
Ooh... "partial birth abortion" reference bonus.
Even Tweety thought Whitehouse was terrific. Best statement so far.
Great idea: make the goopers defend Roberts and the Rightards.
Newton Whale
a brilliant idea - and to call them out on their dog-whistles, too!
Whitehouse is outstanding!!
whitehouse with the trolls.
reed of RI with the people.
peterboy | 07.13.09 - 12:24 pm | #
Wellstone voted for DOMA. Your point?
rootless-e
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my point, respected rootless-e, is that everyone shouldnt get all doe-eyed over whitehouse and remember his critical vote on fisa and other things. it is simpler to talk well at a hearing than to vote right on a tough and critical issue.
that is not to comment on DOMA or wellstone. were you nominating him for the white house. too?
Yes, but he talked over him to tell us that and then went to commerical.
. . .American journalism!
Senator Coburn sees cracks in the glue.
Isn't Senator Kennedy on the Judiciary Committee?
Is he well enough to attend these hearings?
No, no, we're held together by doctor/patient and ordained deacon privilege, not justice!
i know a lot of really old white lawyers who are damn good.
euphronius failure
For sure, but the MSM presumption is that white men get where they are by merit and all others by cheating. This presumption is waived in the case of right wing women/minority stooges.
It's a very good song, Steve Simels. It's a bit reminiscent of "Stuck In The Middle With You" and "The Two Of Us".
Sy Hersh was right.
Hersh: 'Executive assassination ring' reported directly to CheneyMuriel Kane
Investigative reporter Seymour Hersh dropped a bombshell on Tuesday when he told an audience at the University of Minnesota that the military was running an "executive assassination ring" throughout the Bush years which reported directly to former Vice President Dick Cheney.
http://rawstory.com/news/2008/
He...utive_0311.html
Report: CIA Had Secret Assassination Plan
The CIA is also coming under increasing criticism for failing to inform Congress about a highly classified targeted assassination program started by the CIA after Sept. 11. According to the Wall Street Journal, the program focused on the CIA’s attempt to capture or assassinate terrorists. The Journal reports the CIA spent money on planning and possibly some training. It was acting on a 2001 presidential legal pronouncement, known as a finding, which authorized the CIA to pursue such efforts even though the Ford administration had banned assassinations in the 1970s. Congress only learned about the program last month when President Obama’s CIA Director Leon Panetta ended the initiative. Senator Dianne Feinstein appeared on Fox News Sunday. She didn’t describe the program but confirmed reports that Vice President Dick Cheney had ordered the CIA to withhold information about the program from Congress.
Dianne Feinstein: “The answer is yes, Congress should have been told. We should have been briefed before the commencement of this kind of sensitive program. Director Panetta did brief us two weeks ago, I believe it was on the 24th of June, said he had just learned about the program, described it to us, indicated that he had canceled it and, as had been reported, did tell us that he was told that the Vice President had ordered that the program not be briefed to the Congress.”
This does not mark the first time the Bush administration has been accused of carrying out targeted assassinations. Earlier this year investigative journalist Seymour Hersh said publicly the Bush administration ran an executive assassination ring that reported directly to Vice President Dick Cheney.
Seymour Hersh: “Congress has no oversight of it. It’s an executive assassination wing, essentially. And it’s been going on and on and on. And just today in the Times there was a story saying that its leader, a three-star admiral named McRaven, ordered a stop to certain activities because there were so many collateral deaths. It’s been going in—under President Bush’s authority, they’ve been going into countries, not talking to the ambassador or to the CIA station chief, and finding people on a list and executing them and leaving.”
According to Hersh, the program was carried out by the Joint Special Operations Command, or JSOC. The former head of JSOC, Stanley McChrystal, is now Obama’s top commander in Afghanistan.
http://www.democracynow.org/2009.../13/
headlines#2
Boy Genius moment of the day:
I just figured out why my headphones sound like shit - I've routed the audio to the studio monitors. D'oh.
Kennedy took himself off the judiciary committee
simels even said, after I commented on his saying that he found he had no chin, that he could grow his beard back but I couldn't grow back my brain. It was a pretty weak comeback but it was one of his best.
Coburn doesn't know shit about the law. Idiot.
I noticed in that pic of Franken at his desk that Wellstone's picture was behind him.
tom coburn is an insult to millions of years of evolution.
I don't envy her having to sit there and listen to assholes like Coburn prattle on. I would get up and walk out.
Senator Coburn sees cracks in the glue.
cosmic tumbler
Isn't that "Sees glue in his crack"
will somebody go download the amazingly rare song I have posted over at the homepage?
I can listen to it, but not sure how to download it...
Certainly she can't be better than a white man! Don't she know her place?
Damned uppity wimmen!
(Coburn is such a twit!)
I just figured out why my headphones sound like shit - I've routed the audio to the studio monitors. D'oh.
Pffft. I couldn't hear anything in my headphones. Then I decided to plug them in and it was all better.
You're not stupid, dan. You were trying a new method of listening and mixing.
You talking to me simels? Didn't you say you shaved your beard and found that you had no chin? Of course you did. lol
Julio | 07.13.09 - 12:23 pm | #
I also mentioned that I had a fifteen inch penis; I don't hear you carrying on about that.
i know a lot of really old white lawyers who are damn good.
euphronius failure
For sure, but the MSM presumption is that white men get where they are by merit and all others by cheating. This presumption is waived in the case of right wing women/minority stooges.
rootless-e, appikouros
In Obama's America, Atticus Finch couldn't sit on the Supreme Court!!!
/non-sequitor spewing wingnut
Roberts sought to calm both left and right beginning with his opening statement. He tried to establish the theme of the hearings, namely, that Judge John Roberts is neither a right-wing ideologue nor an out-of-control judicial maverick:
Judges and justices are servants of the law, not the other way around. Judges are like umpires. Umpires don't make the rules; they apply them. The role of an umpire and a judge is critical. They make sure everybody plays by the rules. But it is a limited role. Nobody ever went to a ball game to see the umpire. Judges have to have the humility to recognize that they operate within a system of precedent, shaped by other judges equally striving to live up to the judicial oath.
that is not to comment on DOMA or wellstone. were you nominating him for the white house. too?
peterboy | 07.13.09 - 12:27 pm | #
Nah, I'm just into applauding senators when they do something good on those rare occasions that they do.
I can listen to it, but not sure how to download it...
dave™© | Homepage | 07.13.09 - 12:29 pm | #
Click on the divshare link on the far right. If it doesn't work, lemme know and I'll email you the clip...
Coburn is worried that the rich will not get equal justice.
they’ve been going into countries, not talking to the ambassador or to the CIA station chief, and finding people on a list and executing them and leaving.
No wonder cowardly Dick is afraid to leave his hole. He should be.
Ironic seeing some Southern fuck trumpeting the Constitution.
For sure, but the MSM presumption is that white men get where they are by merit and all others by cheating. This presumption is waived in the case of right wing women/minority stooges.
rootless-e,
and i think in the case of the uncle toms of the right, it's even worse. they really are the worst examples of winger welfare for the talentless and undeserving. and so they reinforce that construction you mention in the minds of their fellow wingers who are white. it's sick and pathetic, bc they know what the white folks are saying about them, when they're not around. thomas was elevated bc he was a particularly odious example of someone so self hating he'd let himself be this to a bunch of racist white people who need to use a black man for political purposes. that's just gross, to think of what it must be like to be him.
See ya Atriots. euph, talk to simels, he can help. Forget about your father in law.
I also mentioned that I had a fifteen inch penis
[chin drops to floor]
I miss Ted Kennedy's New England "well-ah, well-ah", in Senate Judiciary hearings.
Fuck.
Coburn doesn't know shit about the law. Idiot.
Rmj
He's a Republican. Of course he doesn't.
who are those women behind coburn?
[chin drops to floor]
Monica_A: Giggity! | 07.13.09 - 12:32 pm | #
Babe -- it's only a medium.
Sotomayor looked like she was getting choked up while Whitehouse was speaking
She's clearly unfit for SCOTUS. Emotional female. She's supposed to bring her wife along to cry. Oh wait. Well, see, that's why women can't be on SCOTUS.
/non-sequitor spewing wingnut
dan mcenroe
I'm listening to Coburn's history/foreign law lesson, and non-sequitur is the only way I can describe it.
John Roberts KNOWS what it's like to be gay, poor, and a teenage mom! HE KNOWS, I tell ya! And Clarence Thomas knows what it's like to be black! SO THERE!!!!!
"Our judges know what it's like to be old. So they understand being black, gay, or a woman."
Ironic seeing some Southern fuck trumpeting the Constitution.
Why?
I dont know what Roberts game is, but his misstatements of the Justices' role is dangerous.
[chin drops to floor]
Monica_A: Giggity!
Well, you'd need to be able to unhinge your jaw like that for a fifteen-inch penis.
[puts self in corner]
Lady Justice is blindfolded and holding scales, and she has no place in the courtroom.
She'd be too empathetic. Wimmen, ya know?
"Don't sympathize with one party over another. Unless of course it's denying Fat Al Gore the White House."
sotomayor is watching coburn with a remarkably bland expression.
Senator Cobag is very much not as smart as he thinks he is.
Coburn is worried that the rich will not get equal justice.
Does not the law forbid them, as well as the poor, from sleeping under bridges?
10 years from the she'll still be on the court and these dipshits will be forgotten.
Wait, so Roberts has empathy? But I thought that was bad.
We're starting to see cracks in Coburn's demeanor as he soberly realizes how ridiculuous his arguments are only moments after making them.
/She'd be too empathetic. Wimmen, ya know?
Not to mention that wardrobe malfunction.
I also mentioned that I had a fifteen inch penis; I don't hear you carrying on about that
My penis has an IQ of 160.
Click on the divshare link on the far right.
You, sir, are a computer GENIUS!
I noticed in that pic of Franken at his desk that Wellstone's picture was behind him.
pie | Homepage | 07.13.09 - 12:29 pm | #
/swoons/
sotomayor is watching coburn with a remarkably bland expression.
rootless-e, appikouros
She's probably trying to figure out what the hell he's getting at.
"Why?"
They took a big shit on it once and would do it again if given the chance.
No wonder cowardly Dick is afraid to leave his hole. He should be.
melior
It's time for Obama to let Eric Holder do his job. 'looking forward not back' has become a bad punchline in light of the obscenities committed by the Bush Regime.
Wait, so Roberts has empathy? But I thought that was bad.
A wingnut at the Kronk explained it to me:
the difference is that he said his background would "inform" his decisions - which is legitimate. he did not say his background is "wiser" than that of another totally based upon race. such a point seems obvious without need to specifically point out.
Oh, and he's white. So there's that, too.
They took a big shit on it once and would do it again if given the chance.
fred
Huh? And are you speaking of Coburn, or Sessions? Cause OK ain't the South.
sotomayor is watching coburn with a remarkably bland expression.
rootless-e, appikouros
She's probably trying to figure out what the hell he's getting at.
Guys,
This is how we look at you when we are thinking, "Gee, you're a ginormous jerk, but I can't say so right now, so I'll keep even my face expressionless."
Political expediency is one thing. Selling your soul to Dick Cheney is quite another.
That rug on Coburn's head is giving him heatstroke.
A RICCI PREVIEW
"But Sessions's attack wasn't confined to the Ricci v. DeStefano case. The Alabama Republican indicted Sotomayor's entire philosophy as based on non-judicial factors.
"Call it empathy, call it prejudice, or call it sympathy, but whatever it is, it is not law. In truth it is more akin to politics. And politics has no place in the courtroom," Sessions said."
My penis has an IQ of 160.
leibniz leibkins ♘
My penis slept past the test. It is humiliated right now.
i have true concern and dislike for coburn as much as any gooper. he is pompous and super-santimonious. a kingmaker among the mice who travels often in the dark and maneuvers via wealth to influence others....see the SEN. Ensign affair where he functioned as minister and doctor to his troubled colleague.
DuaneV nothing is going to happen over that story so for your sanity id just forget it.
My penis coulda been a contender.
She has had to sit through many long hours of boring blather as a judge and keep her face from telling what she really thinks. It's called judicial demeanor. She has it in spades.
My penis has an IQ of 160.
leibniz leibkins
Is it also dyslexic and have a P.hd?
One more right-wing wackjob outburst.
They let citizens into the hearing?
"Call it empathy, call it prejudice, or call it sympathy, but whatever it is, it is not law. In truth it is more akin to politics. And politics has no place in the courtroom," Sessions said."
heh...heh...heh...
Sessions is as full of shit as a Christmas turkey.
lunchtime shits
BTW, to read all the latest wingnut blastfax talking points, check out the "liberal" SFGate.com.
my penis has an QI of 061.
Coburn: ... fairness and impartiality ... values ...
Like the value of advising paying a mistress a large sum for her silence. Like the fairness and impartiality of The Family and its tentacles.
What was that idiot yelling?
En haut
Cornyn, Kyl, and Coburn all on the same committee? Wow, is that ever a dangerous amount of stupid to have confined in the same place.
owls!!!!!!!
The sky's the limit when asking how much the GOP can embarass itself in these hearings, before Sotomayor is confirmed. Keep talking, boys.
dave™©,
Did you notice that pages of the greatly trumpeted new print edition of the Chron are smaller? About 1" narrower and .5" shorter.
nothing is going to happen over that story so for your sanity id just forget it.
euphronius failure
I'm not worried about my own sanity, just Barack Obamas.
Erik Estrada?
The Republicans are using Erik Estrada as a counterweight to Judge Sotomayor?
Their first choice was Cheech Marin, but as usual the Republicans went for the law-and-order theme.
Well, politics surely never enter into decisions made amongst nine people, all with knowledege bases, histories, experiences and sets of clerks.
And politics certainly don't come into play when conservative judges make decisions.
Y'know, this whole demonization of 'politics' is way the hell past due for a reconsideration. When people get together to do something, politics are always involved. Churches. Research science departments. Economics. Courts. All of it. Political institutions, for better or worse. The pretense, of course, is that 'objective' clarity of observation and thought allows one to eschew 'politics' in favor of a solution unsullied by human frailty.
No point in denying it, looking for an 'objectivity' that doesn't exist, or pretending one can find it...
No point in denying it, looking for an 'objectivity' that doesn't exist, or pretending one can find it...
ProfWombat
Also, that only white males are capable of exercising such pristine restraint.
I'm hoping Kyl or Cornyn ask her why she doesn't straighten her hair.
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