I'MMA LET YOU FINISH
I like to Rock...
wait a minute, that's a chick!
Holy shit....Kim Carnes...pitching a tent as I type....
isn't it?
Dammit. I meant Bonnie Tyler. I'm a dumbass
I remember this one... Atrios had it on before.
Atrios is doing summer reruns?
Hopefully, we've left the mouthbreathers down below.
Another white musician...
I am rocking on. Yes, indeed.
Some fun pix from Seattle:
http://freewayblogger.blogspot.c...n-
location.html
reached a couple million people last week...
Drunk wedding parties love this song, usually really late in the reception. Along with Purple Rain.
Some fun pix from Seattle:
http://freewayblogger.blogspot.c...n- location.html
reached a couple million people last week...
scarlet p.
Oh, THAT will get your attention.
Why? Irony?
scarlet p.
good work in Seattle!!! Oz rules.
scarlet,
You so rock.
Drunk wedding parties love this song, usually really late in the reception. Along with Purple Rain.
Tralfaz | Homepage | 07.01.07 - 12:00 am
I fuckin' need more than evahhhhh!
[as heard in "Old School"]
Guys fencing. This video made the 80s great...
Google to healthcare industry: Michael Moore's a meanie, but we can help!
Saturday Goddess Blogging.
Hecate, Runnymeade Conspirator
nice 
I'm the soul survivor.
This looks cleaner.
Atrios is doing summer reruns?
[drops link into memory hole]
JR, catch that Febreeze scent
I feel clean and fresher smelling.
Here's the Troll-Flush cannister, if needed.
JR, catch that Febreeze scent
Sallyh
Still have rubbing alcohol in my nostils.
Dog and human slightly purple....
As of 4:45 p.m. EDT Saturday, eBay Inc. (EBAY) said about 745 out of 8,000 iPhone offerings had been sold on the online auction site at an average price of $962.
I haven't heard that song in years. Atrios is such a child of the 80s. I'm so old.
Hecate, dude was born in 1972. He's such a baby.
I just don't have time to think about ... freshness.
As of 4:45 p.m. EDT Saturday, eBay Inc. (EBAY) said about 745 out of 8,000 iPhone offerings had been sold on the online auction site at an average price of $962.
Now, THERE's something that isn't a necessity.
Larry doesn't have all 4 Beatles but he's got the widows of the dead ones.
Sallyh................
my baby is dying. I'm not here to do a bummer/downer. Just to say.
I walked about 3 miles w/the bulldog(3/4 sq.mi.) and there's five other pits in this area.
She gets a lot of compliments(a woman with an American flag on back of her car slowed the traffic to give me a 'thumbs up' signal).
The big girl walks me, she will not trun to home when she has her bearings down, until she's tired and ready for water at home...
Darwin is wrong. Beaatchizz ...
Oh God, Sarah, I am so sorry.
Words fail me.
Hell, I thought it was Kim Carnes also. Well, paraphrasing what Boris said to Natasha in the context of dirty pool, "Is other kind eclipse of heart?"
Atrios has us rockin' to Jim Steinman tonight. Here's another sample of his song writing...
NOWHERE FAST--Fire Inc. STREETS OF FIRE 1984 Jim Steinman
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h...h?
v=hUwLPKqqtpk
turn to(toward) home*
she's tired and ready for water at home...
She's not a very sophisticated lady now is she?
sarah: all the best to your warrior princess, and those who care for her.
Terry C, especially when Monsieur simply went to the store and got his for about half that. Only two people ahead of him.
i loved this song...i'm old enough that this came out when i was a senior in high school and living in vienna and writing essays on why reagan was destroying the country. ah, good times.
If you've not read this. Here is a link documenting the connection between candidate Mit Romney, and teen torture camps.
http://www.reason.com/news/show/...how/
121088.html
Sarah, may her passage to the Summerlands be gentle.
Peace with you and your child, Sarah.
Darwin is wrong. Beaatchizz ...
Louis Agassiz
Get me some ice, bitch.
ProfWombat, I know from working with MDs that seeing a child die is one of the most discouraging aspects of practice.
Sallyh...it is as it is. She is one incredible critter. As I said earlier, her hospice nurse refers to her as the Warrior Princess and attests to her courage, her will, her strength, her passion. She has never once - not one fucking one single goddamn time - been self-pitying. Amazing. I am privileged to know this child.
Sorry tp go all depressing on you all, anmd I won;t, from now on - just sayin' is all, Just sayin'.
Just sayin'.
Peace Sarah
Romney's the one that's the faggott.
It's July!
Sarah, it's only sad in that nothing could be done to help her.
Clearly, she has her grandmother's heart and soul.
And yet, Cheney lives.
The injustice boggles the mind.
The injustice boggles the mind.
Sallyh
The universe just happens, it knows squat from justice.
And I really wish that wasn't so.
for whatever this is worth.
Roswell aliens theory revived by deathbed confession
http://www.news.com.au/story/0,2...94224-
2,00.html
I think the guy was having a last laugh at the world.
sallyh: tough it is. Hardened ER nurses break down. Struggled with a preemie with a huge omphalocoele and multiple atresias for a month and a half before he died; one of my toughest memories. Then, of course, there are my three daughters. Time to drag John Donne out again:
DEATH be not proud, though some have called thee
Mighty and dreadfull, for, thou art not so,
For, those, whom thou think'st, thou dost overthrow,
Die not, poore death, nor yet canst thou kill me.
From rest and sleepe, which but thy pictures bee, 5
Much pleasure, then from thee, much more must flow,
And soonest our best men with thee doe goe,
Rest of their bones, and soules deliverie.
Thou art slave to Fate, Chance, kings, and desperate men,
And dost with poyson, warre, and sicknesse dwell,
And poppie, or charmes can make us sleepe as well,
And better then thy stroake; why swell'st thou then;
One short sleepe past, wee wake eternally,
And death shall be no more; death, thou shalt die.
And yet, Cheney lives.
The injustice boggles the mind.
Sallyh, Grandmere Poissonniere |
yes, yes, fucking yes. And Rove and Bush and Gonzales. All these hideous fuckers.
Benevolent God, my ass..............
Sarah, my heart is with you. there is an intense loneliness from watching someone die, perhaps the most intense loneliness possible. Peace be with you.
Benevolent God, my ass..............
Sarah Deere
it probably helps if that isn't your starting position...
Given the video, I think atrios hates us.
Sarah Deere
Burning some full moon incense for your right now.
Full many a gem of purest ray serene,
The dark unfathomed caves of ocean bear:
Full many a flower is born to blush unseen,
And waste its sweetness on the desert air.
I love that Donne poem, especially after seeing Wit. Life, Death, Life eternal. Death is just a comma, a pause, and is then no more. I found that very comforting when my partner died many years ago. I hope it brings you some comfort as well, Sarah.
"Bright eyes"?
WTF?
-+
July 1 is Canada Day...
Expo 67 - Canada's Centennial celebration song:
C-A-N-A-D-A
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1...h?v=18-
oRTLIe3I
Damn. That was 40 years ago.
Yoko on Larry King just surprised George's widow when she said John told Al that Something had to be a single.
One need not click on Atrios' videos. It's a free choice. It's all about taking responsibility for your life and not whining.
Isn't it?
Jim Steinman knew death up close. And he tried to share his experience by creating this video and making us all want to kill ourselves.
Sarah D, some sorrows are beyond the reach of language. No one should know this pain, and all of us wish that it had not happened to your family.
Please let us know if there is any way we can help.
Larry King said George Harrison's Something is one of the greatest love songs of all time.
Yes, you are being a dick -- by defining necessity in such spartan terms. I mean, if you won't to define necessity to what is essential to sustain life, then the fucking libraries you laud should be closed. You can't eat a book. "I'd like to see libraries improve lives by helping out with food and medicine rather than reading matter."
No, I'm not being a dick. I've observed that there are things that can help people without their need to own something. They can then use such money to invest in healthcare, housing, food, etc.
We as a society can collectively assist people to have better quality of life rather than having individuals buy into a consumerist society. And yet, I'm not saying that people shouldn't want to have nice things or enjoy life: I simply noted that TVs are not necessary to live and I'm more interested in other measures of quality of life.
That would include: do people have enough money to eat healthfully so they aren't going to McDonald's all the time, becoming obese and having the associated health issues that negatively impact quality of life?
I was talking about this rather reasonably and I'm getting called a dick. Weird.
NTodd, Trashy | Homepage | 07.01.07 - 12:13 am | #
GravatarAnd note I made no judgement about anybody's decisions to own a TV. I just don't like the notion of defending a rather destructive corporation by saying people can get cheap TVs.
NTodd, Trashy | Homepage | 07.01.07 - 12:15 am | #
I hope that there is some peace for you, Sarah Deere and your son and daughter-in-law.
Larry King said George Harrison's Something is one of the greatest love songs of all time.
He's right for once.
I think the guy was having a last laugh at the world.
Doug
I listened to George Noory on Coast to Coast about this. A great story.
Benevolent God, my ass..............
Sarah Deere
Afuckingmen, my Deere. Peace and stuff.
Evening all.
Been gone since hours ago....
Irksome? Has it walked amongst us?
Irksome? Has it walked amongst us?
Only if you count roseanne, true progressive, and other jack incarnations.
Sarah
This ". As I said earlier, her hospice nurse refers to her as the Warrior Princess and attests to her courage, her will, her strength, her passion."
made me think of this
"Courage is the price that
Life exacts for granting peace.
From
Courage by Amelia Earhart"
Irksome? Has it walked amongst us?
steve simels
There were bots.
George Herriman?
Bright eyes?
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I mean, if you won't to define necessity to what is essential to sustain life, then the fucking libraries you laud should be closed.
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Anyone who actually thinks books are not essential also thinks that the solution to a lack of food is to starve off most of the population.
"won't to" ???
Hi from vacationland
so has anyone had to deal with a friend going into recovery? a friend just went in AA for alcohol and meth addiction. i'm very happy, but he's actual more self-centered and annoying now. i want to be sympathetic and supportive, but i wasn't sure i was prepared for this. any suggestions would be great.
You want irksome: people are calling each other dicks over stupid stuff while someone is writing about a dying, brave child.
That's irksome.
Head's Up!
Now, Colgate with Bacteria, Yum!
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Counterfeit Colgate toothpaste has now turned up in Canada, where testing has found dangerous bacteria but not the poisonous chemical previously detected in four states, a health official said Saturday.
In addition, store owners and police say they have discovered that the bogus Colgate was sold in Michigan and Virginia.
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man, sometimes the juxtaposition of the sublimity of life-force demonstrated by the community here with that of the ridiculousness of the terrified troll-forms that haunt the fringes just blows me right-the-fuck-away ...
Libraries are necessary to the survival of our democracy. I was at my local library this afternoon donating books. Libraries rock.
Wow -- let's go see if the Althouse is still trying to threaten me...
any suggestions would be great.
fscott
He's found God, he is going to behave like any new convert.
focus--you make me feel stupid (which I probably am!) but i didn't understand anything you wrote.
Irksome? Has it walked amongst us?
steve simels
There were bots.
They put... creatures... in our bodies... to control our minds. They made us... do things. They thought they controlled us, but they did not. The Captain was strong.
Michael Moore's controversial film SiCKO opened nationwide this weekend. But before the inevitable discussions about the accuracy of the film's portrayal of the U.S. health care system, you can make up your own mind. The summary below includes comparisons of the American health care system relative to other countries and between the states, data on the uninsured, rising health care costs, the woes of Medicare and Medicaid and more.
For all the details, see:
"A SiCKO Primer: U.S. Health Care by the Numbers."
There are all sorts of AA meetings. Some are neraly cultlike; some are just a bunch of folk getting together to help each other stay sober. Hang in there; it's a big change he's trying to make, and it isn't always pretty.
Libraries are necessary to the survival of our democracy. I was at my local library this afternoon donating books. Libraries rock.
Hecate, Runnymeade Conspirator | Homepage | 07.01.07 - 12:24 am | #
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Thank you. You can quickly judge a town or city by the vibrancy and attendance of its library. My town, Augusta, Maine has a very vibrant, well-attended library. It is small, but well-used. Lots of kids. Lots of special activities (brass bands playing in the evening !!!). Every time I return a book late and have to pay a fine, I tell the librarian I'm making a donation. And it is true.
Given that both my parents were librarians when I was growing up, and NTodd's Pa is again in his semi-retirement, I firmly believe in the value of the institutions and the books and other things they offer a community. Part of my point: they are there so people don't have to own everything and still get the benefit of such things.
Sarah Deere,
Sounds as if the hospice workers are truly inspired, wonderful people. That's such a lovely name for them to give to her. I am just holding you in an image of light and love.
Where we hiked today
Deacon Blues in Snowmass | 07.01.07 - 12:27 am | #
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No shit. Lucky dog. Congratulations.
You want irksome: people are calling each other dicks over stupid stuff while someone is writing about a dying, brave child.
That was from the thread below, and when have we ever not been a multithreaded discussion site?
Michael Moore's film SiCKO opened nationwide this weekend.
The film is laced with lies.
focus--you make me feel stupid (which I probably am!) fscott
don't be so hard on yourself - you're probably not worth it ...
(on reading, I don't really get it either)
You call this shit rock? No wonder America hates you libtards.
Here is what actual rock look like:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=9dvsqrWDXY4
http://youtube.com/watch?v=hLahs7yCprQ
http://youtube.com/watch?v=K-lpOyo5Ce0
You're welcome.
bo.
That's just sad. Most likely it came from China. I'm fighting the FDA, the pet food industry association and Big Chicken because they aren't willing to say, "No more shit from China in our food."
I really get pissed that when the pet food showed acetaminophen the pet food industry's response was to accuse the lab of incompetence rather than try and find the source of the acetaminophen.
Anyone who actually thinks books are not essential also thinks that the solution to a lack of food is to starve off most of the population.
"won't to" ???
You missed my "want to" apology downstairs.
And I also think you are sarcasm impaired if you think I don't like books and want to starve off most of the population. I was just pointing out that NTodd had defined essential to life (and it seems humanity "lived" for a long time without books) to take all the joy out of it. Now he says that was not what he meant and I believe him. I think he is being dognatic, however, and not paying enough attention to the psychological aspects of poverty, where a cheap, simple pleasure can make a hell of a lot of difference. With the slump the toon industry has been in for the last several years, I've had first hand experience.
Where I will hike next month...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O...h?
v=ONhvxzXJRJE
I was at my local library this afternoon donating books. Libraries rock.
That's where the vast majority of my ridiculously large personal collection is going. Other than books with real sentimental value, these things are going to be dumped on NTodd's Pa's little library...
Yesterday we tubed on the Yampa River in Steamboat Springs.
You can quickly judge a town or city by the vibrancy and attendance of its library
Agree completely. My local library, an old building, is amazing and used, used, used. Book groups, computer groups, community groups, etc. The kindest, nicest, lovliest, most helpful librarians. Wifi access. Books, DVDs, music. Wonderful kids' section.
Libraries are sacred space to me. No question.
but i didn't understand anything you wrote.
fscott
people are calling each other dicks over stupid stuff while someone is writing about a dying, brave child.
oh yeah ... now I get it.
I was just pointing out that NTodd had defined essential to life (and it seems humanity "lived" for a long time without books) to take all the joy out of it.
No, I didn't. I said it wasn't necessary to OWN something to enjoy it. Note I used libraries in my example of how somebody could enjoy life without having a TV.
My friend Morgan practically lives in the library by the Golden Dome in Mountpeculiar. He blogs, he gets entertainment, news, etc. Some day he'd like to not be homeless any more, but that's another story.
NTodd: seems to me that in the dick-calling, you were more the callee. And I agree with what you said. But my focus was and is elsewhere. Nothing personal.
There is no necessity for a TV, and, in fact, the existence of one in virtually every household has made us into what we are today: lazy, gullible, overly comfortable and ignorant. There is nothing positive about using TV, DVDs or anything like that to substitute for a fulfilling life. This is how the Right has achieved its dominance, by making credit easy and shiny objects desirable. There is scarcely a single one of us here who wouldn't benefit in measurable ways from giving up television, especially now, with our web and the level that mass media has sunk below. Television and technology is being used as a weapon against thinking and creativity.
Libraries level the playing field.
My lunch was laced with maggots. So's the stinky place on my back.
I think he is being dognatic, however, and not paying enough attention to the psychological aspects of poverty, where a cheap, simple pleasure can make a hell of a lot of difference. With the slump the toon industry has been in for the last several years, I've had first hand experience.
And as I said before, I grew up poor, lived for quite a while on ramen noodles later in life, and am back at that point. So you can stopp applying the words 'dogmatic' and 'dick' to me when I'm posing questions about whether Wal-Mart has done much to improve quality of life.
Trolls you don't have to live in your mamma's basement anymore.
A guy in Pacifica has found a way to live in a 250 Sq Ft. house
http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/
articl...HOG5IQMK6I1.DTL
The plan and links to pictures so you can get a clear idea how small this 'house' is.
http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/
object...HOG5IQMK6I1.DTL
I like TV.
There is scarcely a single one of us here who wouldn't benefit in measurable ways from giving up television, especially now.
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I haven't had a teevee since 1998.
The film is laced with lies.
Probably no more so than whatever story the administration is telling today.
NTodd: seems to me that in the dick-calling, you were more the callee. And I agree with what you said. But my focus was and is elsewhere. Nothing personal.
Don't worry, I didn't take it personally. Just noting that we've been able to switch from heavy shit to lighthearthed shit to stupid shit rather deftly in the past. Folks are still given Sarah support AND calling me a dick! We're a versatile bunch...
NTodd,
When I moved, I gave hundreds of books to the local library. Now, I have a rule. If i haven't filed it according to LoC w/in a few months of reading it, it goes to the library. If I ever want to read it again, I can go check it out. I can only fit so many in my house. My friends borrow so frequently from me, that I'm a mini library of sorts.
Fiction by author. Poetry by author. Everything else by LoC, with Wicca stuff in its own shelf.
This entire immigration bullshit is a totally racist republic issue, by, for and of the republics. Among other things, the immigration issue remains "hot" because it gives the republics (via their m$m enablers) continued air and print space, thus, for the time being, warding off their inevitable irrelevance.
Deacon,
Where are you? Gorgeous pics.
spocko,
Anytime you want to run for office, you get my vote and my money. You're an incarnate Hammer of the Gods.
Every good thing that can be attributed to WalMart is more than offset by extraordinary negative externalities. An honest accounting includes the true cost to real human beings, and their communities, of those low low prices.
The film is laced with lies.
you won't be able to prove that, and since you're closed "mind" will not allow you to see it, as you might get brain cooties, you'll never really know. I just don't know why rightards inist on going through life as idiots.
There is scarcely a single one of us here who wouldn't benefit in measurable ways from giving up television
TV has its uses, particularly when it's not playing Fox. I personally gave it up a couple years ago now, but I think it's an effective channel for good as well as ill, as are most tools.
ronjazz© | 07.01.07 - 12:33 am | #
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Correct. computer w/intertubes has replaced any possible need for teevee for me, esp. now w/you tube. I can watch Noam Chomsky interviews on you tube. Could never do that on teevee. Just an example.
NTodd we'll just to have to get you some wingnut welfare! They just throw money at people. Just say you are going to turn right and you are in like Flint!
Every good thing that can be attributed to WalMart is more than offset by extraordinary negative externalities. An honest accounting includes the true cost to real human beings, and their communities, of those low low prices.
How much of the stuff is made in China alone...
cnn or abc or someone had a bunch of healthcare experts look at Sicko. at least they said the film was accurate in what in included but inaccurate in what it excluded. but that's what one should expect from michael moore. he can get us talking but he isn't producing a documentary that aims are truth.
Doug,
How v. sad that there's a big garage but no bedroom, no ritual room, no guest room.
NTodd we'll just to have to get you some wingnut welfare!
I've already got my black cocktail dresses picked out...
Deacon,
Where are you?
I think I know where the maroon bells are, and was there about 18 years ago, if I'm right. That's right outside Aspen Colorado.
Hecate, we are in Colorado and have been here all week. We spent last weekend in Denver, then went up to the high country. We hiked here at Monrach Lake on Monday afternoon.
i hate to say it but of the two shows i watch on tv, one is on fox. i do still like the simpsons, even though its quality has gone way, way down hill. (the other show is project runway)
TV has its uses, particularly when it's not playing Fox. I personally gave it up a couple years ago now, but I think it's an effective channel for good as well as ill, as are most tools.
NTodd, Trashy
yes, except that it isn't available to us as a tool, except for local access cable. it's not the box, it's the owners. kind of like using pliers to pull fingernails. not the original intention, and not the best use in human terms.
cnn or abc or someone had a bunch of healthcare experts look at Sicko. at least they said the film was accurate in what in included but inaccurate in what it excluded.
That's not inaccuracy. It's called "communicating a message." It's as useful a complaint as yelling at Atrios for not mentioning a school was painted in Iraq today just down the street from a marketplace explosion that killed 60 people.
Deacon,
I thought so. From birth till five, I lived in Boulder w/ a view outside the kitchen window of the flatirons. Enjoy!
Thanks Bo! For now if you know any scientists who know about food lab testing drop me a line.
yes, except that it isn't available to us as a tool, except for local access cable. it's not the box, it's the owners.
True dat.
I think I know where the maroon bells are, and was there about 18 years ago, if I'm right. That's right outside Aspen Colorado.
Doug
DING DING DING Give the man a cigar.
Mrs. Blues and I hiked here many years on a very rainy foggy day. Today, though, it was just like the photograph only fewer clouds. Just spectacular.
How v. sad that there's a big garage but no bedroom, no ritual room, no guest room.
I've simplified things since I moved from an extremely large house and property to a much smaller house, only 1,200 sq feet, on 1 acre.
I cull books about three times a year, and I still have a couple boxes to trade with one of the local used book stores, for credit.
my baby is dying. I'm not here to do a bummer/downer. Just to say.
Sarah Deere
Sarah, deepest sympathy for you. No, don't tell me you don't want it, that it's the child who's doing the dying and you can only stand around and watch. She has the easy part of it. You on the other hand have to go on living while she goes on ahead without you.
And we, one step further removed, can only stand here with you, and hold you while you have to let her go. Know that we love you both and will be here for you when you get back from sending her on her journey.
I don't know, NTodd. Isn't it inaccurate for a policy debate if you don't present all the facts to get at the best solution? As a piece of entertainment, I have no problem with a biased point of view. But as a tool to help move dialogue to a good outcome, I think it is intellectually dishonest. I mean, yes it was powerful when he took those rescue workers to Cuba. But shouldn't we know all the prep work done ahead with Castro's government? Did we see real Cuban medicine or a Castro propaganda machine? I don't know.
I am not dissing teevee. In my town, Augusta, Maine you have to pay $30-50 a month for cable to get any TV stations at all. There is no free teevee in Augusta, Maine. You have to pay up the wazoo for it.
cnn or abc or someone had a bunch of healthcare experts look at Sicko. at least they said the film was accurate in what in included but inaccurate in what it excluded. but that's what one should expect from michael moore. he can get us talking but he isn't producing a documentary that aims are truth.
fscott
wrong again. he has a limited amount of time to get a point of view across, his point of view, not yours, mine, or the HMO industry's. what he "left out" is what the enemies of you and I want in, their carefully-massaged, focus-grouped buzzwords and lies. His point is that the healthcare industry in the USA is inefficient, unfair, overly-expensive, mean, nasty and profit-driven, and he's 99.999% right.
How v. sad that there's a big garage but no bedroom, no ritual room, no guest room. - Hecate
The garage was an add-on. I'm fascinated with small personal space arrangements like this. Think of it in conjuction with communal buildings and spaces.
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With the addition of the garage it certainly becomes a statement about the culture's mobility obsession.
I don't know, NTodd. Isn't it inaccurate for a policy debate if you don't present all the facts to get at the best solution?
Doesn't have to be in the same movie or the same channel. He's trying to counter all the bullshit that people are fed all the time. If the folks in the insurance industry would like to counter it, they clearly already have a way to do that, as evidenced by the media's reporting...
Did we see real Cuban medicine or a Castro propaganda machine? I don't know.
fscott | 07.01.07 - 12:43 am | #
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What do you see when you watch the US media about US hospitals, medicine and health care. The real medicine or a propaganda machine ?
Please get serious.
Sarah Deere, peace be unto you.
Cuban medicine is quite good; some of their public health statistics, such as maternal and fetal health, compare favorably to ours. It's exported to the third world sometimes, indeed for propaganda as well as for doing good works. The United States would never so behave, of course, having only the most altruistic of motives.
fscott, it's not supposed to be "fair and balanced" - it's one side, but that side is accurate. It would take more than a single film to give a true overall picture.
Isn't it inaccurate for a policy debate if you don't present all the facts to get at the best solution?
Are you criticizing our Fuhrer, President Bush? You are drummed out of the leagues of loyal Republicans, fscott, libtard traitor! (as well as obvious concern troll)
The insurance mafia gets plenty of chance to express their POV. Come to think of it, it's the only one that seems to be expressed these years.
yes, except that it isn't available to us as a tool, except for local access cable.
Oddly enough, I used to work for the local access cable station in Knoxville, TN -- CTV of Knoxville.
And I like libraries. I think they are of incredible value to the communities they serve.
All I'm saying is it's not much fun being poor in American -- or anywhere for that matter. I didn't mean to defend Walmart. I hate the damn place and have only been inside about 6 times in my whole life.
fscott
have you seen it? he takes people to Gitmo, the American base in Cuba, to get the same health care they're goving to "terrorist" prisoners. he's not asking Castro for help. Jeez, shooting from the uneducated hip is troll behavior. STFU if you haven't done your research.
We stayed in Grand Lake, Colorado, an old-style Rocky Mountain town on the southern border of Rocky Mountain National Park.
I think it's time for Animal House.
No disrespect, Sarah Deere, intended.
I like that the U.S. pharmaceutical industry ragged on "Sicko" because it is not balanced.
Are any of their BILLIONS of dollars of advertisements on radio, teevee, magazines, direct mail and to doctors "balanced." ?
Does Pharma provide the public with an "opposing viewpoint" that says you might not need to, or perhaps should avoid, taking their new drug ?
Hmm ...
I'm feeling a shill in the air ...
I think Moore is intellectually dishonest. In Bowling for Columbine, he staged some of the scenes but passed them off as legit scenes. I still enjoy his films, but they are little more than funny propaganda pieces, not meaningful documentaries.
Sarah, dear, I'll add my voice. Peace, friend.
Did we see real Cuban medicine or a Castro propaganda machine? I don't know.
This depends. Basic care in Cuba is pretty good compared with what the many uninsured people in the US can access.
Very tricky things? In the US you'd have excellent care if you had corresponding insurance coverage, or prepared to pay a lot out of pocket.
Notice that Castro had to consult Spanish docs for something that if not easily be taken care of, could be, in most of the US.
Much of the limitations of Cuban medical care is due to the long term embargo by the US for most kinds of medical resources.
There has got to be a mid-way point for people to have access to adequate medical care on all levels.
Maybe Canada is a better example to draw from.
Fscott, I think you're intellectually dishonest.
spocko,
Anytime you want to run for office, you get my vote and my money. You're an incarnate Hammer of the Gods.
bo
(raises hand)
Second that motion...
but they are little more than funny propaganda pieces, not meaningful documentaries.
fscott
and you're little more than a fuckwit troll asshole without a lick of sense or honesty. fuck off.
(((sallyh)))
Isn't it inaccurate for a policy debate if you don't present all the facts to get at the best solution?
Wait, when did Moore become "policy debate"?
The last thing that keira shitface of cnn said while introducing a segment on Michael Moore yesterday was "Michael Moore has his critics." When was the last time she said that about bush?
Isn't it inaccurate for a policy debate if you don't present all the facts to get at the best solution?
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Shill. Shill. Pharma talking points shill.
So when get bombarded with ads for Viagra, that 30 second ad is supposed to be a policy debate ???
ProfWombat, it's a warm and lovely night.
Perhaps a walk among the night blooming jasmine, with a chilled white wine and some candlelight?
Cuba has some of the best pediatrics in the world, BTW.
Some of the things Moore "left out":
Do not expect to hear anyone speak well of the care they received in the U.S. On the other hand, patients and doctors from Canada, Britain, France and Cuba marvel at their health care.
Moore tells viewers there are about 50 million people in the U.S. without health insurance.
Just this past week, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention estimated there are about 43.6 million uninsured people in the country. In March, the Census Bureau put the number at 44.8 million.
Moore noted that about 18,000 people die each year as a result of the lack of health insurance. That number comes for a January 2004 report from the Institute of Medicine. The report said the uninsured do not get the care they need and are more likely to die prematurely.
Taking on the pharmaceutical industry, Moore says it spent millions of dollars lobbying Congress for a Medicare prescription drug benefit.
"Of course it was really a bill to hand over $800 billion of our tax dollars to the drug and health insurance industry," he said.
Moore is citing the projected cost for the Medicare drug benefit's first 10 years.
Last year, however, Medicare officials told The Associated Press that the projected cost of the benefit through 2015 stood at about $729 billion, a substantial drop compared with original estimates.
Pffft.
spocko,
UC Berkeley has a Food & Nutritional Science Dept, but the heavy lifting is done at UC Davis.
but they are little more than funny propaganda pieces, not meaningful documentaries.
fscott
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As opposed to all the meaningful documentaries put out by Pfizer ??
Shut up.
Moore is an advocate. He's arguing a position. He can be argued with; and he provokes discussion. Calling his work 'propaganda' seems to me needlessly pejorative.
ronjazz--i have seen it. the gitmo argument is no different from the argument that the right always says about u.s. prisoners. i think healthcare is broken and needs to be reformed. i just wish we could have a rational voice out there discussing it; michael moore is not that voice. and i just wonder if it doesn't do more harm than good for those of us who want healthcare reform to hold him up as some paragon of humanity and virtue. and so you know, i went several years without health insurance and i know the fear first hand of getting sick. it's very unpleasant. i also have friends in england who all have private insurance because the national system, they claim, is so cumbersome.
...this ain't "zero" comments. Hmmm...
Anyhoo..., I'm too drunk to comment ...competently. So..., um, er, uh...
they are little more than funny propaganda pieces, not meaningful documentaries.
Uh, political theater is an effective way to force change...
Do not expect to hear anyone speak well of the care they received in the U.S.
I had to diagnose my own hyperthyroid condition.
michael moore is not that voice.
Why not?
During this unseasonably hot, dry spell, an icy-cold Colorado microbrew hits the spot.
i just wish we could have a rational voice out there discussing it; michael moore is not that voice.
Oh yes, that old canard about who is "the right voice." Just like Al Gore isn't the right one for global warming. It's specious.
Isn't it inaccurate for a policy debate if you don't present all the facts to get at the best solution?
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Fuck you FScott.
Big Pharma does not want a policy debate. They want to pay Congress to do their bidding. And they want to flood the US Media with paid trolls and lackeys to prevent any meaningful policy debate that might arise from the release of "Sicko."
And you know it, too. Fucking disingenuous shill.
...they said the film was accurate in what in included but inaccurate in what it excluded.
The thing I like best about these bought-and-paid-for "criticisms" of Moore's latest is how it is so glaringly obvious the brownshirts have absolutely nothing to hit back with.
The "poor healthcare/insurance industry is being dragged through the mud" bullshit is esp. amusing. Not only do the patients hate the healthcare/insurance industry, but so do the fucking doctors.
So you keep pushing that line, trollie. It's a winner!
Know what hurts the debate? When people debate a messenger who is countering bullshit from the corporate interests who are happy with the status quo.
Rather than focusing on Michael Moore's "inaccuracies", how about amplifying his message? He notes what is wrong with our system. Talk about that. It's real, accurate and compelling.
Crikey, there are numerous 'rational' voices out there advocating for health care change, and have been for quite some time. What's needed now is the mobilization of political power to the point where our Congress finally understands what poll after poll show, to wit, that a majority of the country's citizens would welcome universal health insurance. Moore is more likely to contribute to that than one more PhD in public health writing one more thesis, or giving three hours' more expert testimony.
michael moore is not that voice.
Michael Moore is ONE voice. And one that should be heard.
Who would you want, an insurance company CEO? Someone from the marketing department at Eli Lilly or Pfizer? A wealthy person who can afford Cadillac care without it denting his wallet?
Sorry, that's not the story for most people in the US.
"michael moore is not that voice."
Why not?
He's fat!
Get with it, dude...
NTodd--that was the article I referenced. thanks for finding it. I never disputed his numbers. In fact, I said they were accurate. I don't understand your point. No one here is saying the system works. But the systems in Canada and UK have their problems as well. (And, politically, they would never be adopted here.) Maybe by looking at what works and doesn't work around the world we could create something superior. Not sure why I'm getting beat up over this, unless to criticize Moore is hate speech here.
FScott -- And Phillip Morris wants to have a balanced public policy debate about whether cigarettes cause lung cancer and emphysema.
I'm awake
Does Pharma provide the public with an "opposing viewpoint" that says you might not need to, or perhaps should avoid, taking their new drug ?
Hmm ...
I'm feeling a shill in the air ...
Doug Watts
[golf clap]
i went several years without health insurance and i know the fear first hand of getting sick.
You don't mention getting extremely sick to the point that you had to be hospitalized and have surgery, so I'm going to make the obvious assumption that you did not.
I can tell you, getting that ill without an adequate health plan puts a major crimp in your finances.
Until you've suffered this or at least made a major study of how this affects people I'd suggest you pipe down till you know what you are talking about.
"Common Sense: A Funny Propaganda Piece"
meaningful documentaries
I take it you're either too stupid or too dishonest to acknowledge that all "documentaries" come with a point of view. Has nothing to do with being "meaningful."
So Michael Moore is the left's version of Phillip Morris. At least you are honest. I just wish we had someone who aims a bit higher than Phillip Morris when pushing for reform.
FScott -- you are getting beat up over this because you are parroting talking points straight from Big Pharma prepared in response to the release of Sicko! and you cannot write like a real human being. You are talking point vomiter. You are not real. You are a fake. Give it up.
fscott
you're a shameless liar with an agenda. you haven't seen it, there is no Gitmo "argument", and your "friends" in England are in the vast minority. The national system is cumbersome? the private system in the USA is not cumbersome, it is criminal. It isn't even close to England, France or Canada in efficiency, by the way, except for those at the very top of the chain. In fact, it's closer to Cuba's, which is pretty fucking shameful. you don't know what you're talking about, and, on top of that, you lie.
they are little more than funny propaganda pieces, not meaningful documentaries.
That sell millions of tickets. And make hundreds of millions of dollars. And drive the debate.
Scares the shit out of your paymasters, doesn't it, trollie?
FScott, I don't care what you think of Moore. What needs to happen is to have a real debate and real action. It ain't coming from Big Pharma and insurance carriers.
So don't give me that 'fair and balanced' shit. Most of us don't have 'fair and balanced' in terms of what we have for medical care.
i went several years without health insurance and i know the fear first hand of getting sick.
without insurance I would be dead.
During this unseasonably hot, dry spell, an icy-cold Colorado microbrew hits the spot. Deacon Blues in Snowmass
Let me know when you're ready to buy - I have an old roommate who's a realtor up there.
I don't understand your point.
It's a very simple point: that article started with OMG MICHAEL MOORE WAS INNACCURATE AND ISN'T DEFENDING AMERICAN HEALTHCARE, then goes on to cite figures that are not substantially off from what he was saying they were. Stuff like that.
Anyway, I now refuse to debate what he left out. If you want to discuss the real problems and a solution, fine, but talking about Michael Moore is too damned meta if you're really concerned about having a debate on this pressing issue.
I love the mountains, but I am ready to get back home to the beach. I am looking forward to seeing Sicko. Will probably go see it on the 4th.
The facts speak for themselves whether it's Michael Moore's voice telling it lke it is or somebody else's.
Doug--Ok, so only people who don't have insurance AND have a serious illness can talk about the healthcare system. That's truly insightful.
fscott, you can't admit who you are or why you are here or why you have such an inordinate interest in this topic. you are a fraud. you have been outted.
I agree with fscott. It is really embarrassing that Michael Moore makes movies. If it weren't for Michael Moore we would be taken very seriously by David Broder and that is why healthcare reform was what everyone was talking about before Michael Moore made that movie and now NOBODY is talking about it.
Not sure why I'm getting beat up over this, unless to criticize Moore is hate speech here.
fscott
I think the reaction is because nobody seems to make the same criticisms against the usual propaganda on health care funding in this country. Or at least it is not subjected to the same kind of fact checking Moore's documentary is. He is not aiming at an objective study of the system, in any case. There are many of those and they get zero coverage in the media.
Hi JeffCO!
Some of the things Moore "left out":
Funny how the AP never ever tells us what Bush and his fellow GOPers "left out" of their various statements, but feels the need to "fact check" Moore.
I just wish we --
Is that you, Lauren?
Doug--Ok, so only people who don't have insurance AND have a serious illness can talk about the healthcare system. That's truly insightful.
fscott | 07.01.07 - 1:01 am | #
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Now you are Allen Butler. Checkmate.
without insurance I would be dead.
Sadly, your carrier didn't believe the e-mail I sent them saying you were defrauding them and should cancel your policy. But don't blame me: it was your evil twin that made me do it.
I think we just caught it swallowing a live rat.
MICHAEL MOORE IS A ONE OF A KIND AMERICAN HERO.
Let's hear it for trying to get insurance claims paid, for getting the right doctor to look at you, for getting you treated instead of the tests because the insurance won't *pay* unless the tests say you're sick. Let's hear it for 5 hour waits in emergency rooms because they are overcrowded from people who can't afford to go to a primary care doc.
Not sure why I'm getting beat up over this...
You knew the job was dangerous when you took it.
How's the food in the Google cafeteria? I hear it's excellent!
AND have a serious illness can talk about the healthcare system. That's truly insightful.
That isn't what I said.
a friend just went in AA for alcohol and meth addiction. i'm very happy, but he's actual more self-centered and annoying now. i want to be sympathetic and supportive, but i wasn't sure i was prepared for this. any suggestions would be great.
fscott
at least they said the film was accurate in what in included but inaccurate in what it excluded. but that's what one should expect from michael moore. he can get us talking but he isn't producing a documentary that aims are truth.
fscott
yup, both sides and the truth. - butler is psychotic ... and a crossdresser.
Let me know when you're ready to buy - I have an old roommate who's a realtor up there.
JeffCO
Ready to buy? I canNOT believe what the prices are for real estate are around here! Whew...
Bonnie Tyler neither rocks, nor rolls.
But the systems in Canada and UK have their problems as well. (And, politically, they would never be adopted here.)
Bullshit.
MM sure does upset the people who are aligned against all the rest of us. That's pretty much all that I need to know, I'm an old woman and I've learned to reduce this to simple premises.
I think it's quite simple really - the Bush authoritarian cultists have no defense left of anything Chimpy has touched, so they are happy to sink their gums into the fattest left-leaning asses they can find, Moore and Gore. That no one cares only lessens their enjoyment slightly.
Of course, at some point they might realize they only derive joy from gumming a fat man's ass. Not that there's anything wrong with that.
fstopp's check from kkkarl may have just been fstopped
So, K.T. Tunstsall. Nice.
Deacon, is that somewhere around Newport Beach? Those houses look familiar...
So, tell me, can you ennumerate the problems with the other systems? What's wrong with, say the Canadian system?
My husband has gotten sick in Canada, I've been sick in both Spain and France.
Each time, excellent care, delivered in a timely fashion, at a very low rate. And we were foreigners.
Ready to buy? I canNOT believe what the prices are for real estate are around here! Whew... Deacon Blues in Snowmass
What, you don't have a Tardis? I should think sometime in the early 70s would work.
5 hour waits in emergency rooms because they are overcrowded from people who can't afford to go to a primary care doc.
Experienced this last October when my ear drum burst at midnight. Worst. Medical. System. Ever. Ever.
What's wrong with, say the Canadian system?
Well, for one, it's in Canada.
Deacon, is that somewhere around Newport Beach? Those houses look familiar...
atablarasa, omega hippy
Those homes are in Seal Beach, where I live (not, alas, in one of those beachfront homes). Newport Beach is down the highway 10 or 12 miles or so, and does indeed have a similar -- but much more upscale -- beachfront boardwalk area.
There's no defending America's for-profit care system, just like there's no defending Bush & Cheney. There's no argument that can be put forth to defend these things.
Hecate, contrast that with my getting a UTI in Spain. Called the local hospital; no problem finding someone who spoke English. They said they'd call back.
Five minutes later, I was told the doctor would be at my hotel in 30 minutes.
$75 US, for everything--exam, tests, meds.
JeffCO | 07.01.07 - 1:05 am | #
I ended up in a TARDIS once. Ended up on Skaro, trying to prevent the Genesis of the Daleks.
I should think sometime in the early 70s would work.
JeffCO
Heh! The condo we are staying in is like a return to the early 70s, when it was probably shit-hot. Now? Not so much. At least they have WiFi.
What's wrong with, say the Canadian system?
Well, for one, it's in Canada.
NTodd, Trashy
yeah, well, that's because they're stupid enough to put up with $0.00 copays and the like.
If you want to discuss the real problems and a solution, fine, but talking about Michael Moore is too damned meta if you're really concerned about having a debate on this pressing issue.
As we've all said many times, anyone with an issue talks about it. Trolls occasionally raise an issue then proceed to talk about themselves and how they're treated here.
Experienced this last October when my ear drum burst at midnight.
Fuck me - I've had this: I went to the emergency room in the middle of the night and got Dr. Welby - 126 years old.
"DO YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT I AM SAYING TO YOU! MY. FUCKING. EAR!"
Experienced this last October when my ear drum burst at midnight. Worst. Medical. System. Ever. Ever.
Hecate
Severe allergy attack - emergency room because PCP couldn't fit me in. Kidney stone at midnight. Emergency room again, where no one could see me to administer pain medication until 3:00 a.m. And the copay at the ER is way high.
NTodd has special insurance that pays 300 percent if he ever has to have his pants removed.
JeffCO, are you keeping cool?
NTodd has special insurance that pays 300 percent if he ever has to have his pants removed.
WalterNeff, hammered
from what?
Well, for one, it's in Canada.
Canadian drugs are dangerous, man. Oh by the way, the FDA essentially doesn't do any inspections of drugs big pharma imports from China.
fscott obviously needs to go blow his local pharma lobbyist. Meanwhile, here's FLIPPER!
http://youtube.com/watch?v=5MS2mFfN1ks
JeffCO, are you keeping cool? Deacon Blues in Snowmass
It wasn't too bad inside today - though my place is mostly in the shade. (Ok, I live in a hollowed out tree.) But I did have to kick on the AC tonight. Spent yesterday visiting a friend down in Cherry Creek. Pretty toasty!
NTodd has special insurance that pays 300 percent if he ever has to have his pants removed.
WalterNeff, hammered
I would have thought he would let anyone do that gratis....
Deacon, Seal Beach is "around" from my Arizona view point! I like what I've seen of Seal Beach, but it's been a while.
fstopp sure as hell dont have to put up with THIS shit!
Oh, and can we stop using the term "Big Pharma" as the fallback paymaster of these anti-SiCKO trolls?
Big Pharma is going to go on making out just like they have all along and probably better in the long run, and they know it.
Who's paying "fscott" and the various other names is Big INSURANCE. Because no insurance company ever in all of history every cured anyone of illness, performed surgery, developed a drug that eased pain or did anything else to in any way heal the sick.
All they did was take your money and keep as much of it for themselves as they possibly could. That's all. They didn't give it to a doctor, a pharmacist, a nurse, an EMT, a biochemical researcher, or any other sort of healer if they could by any means prevent it.
That giant sucking sound you hear is the tightening sphincters of all insurance executives everywhere at the prospect of being rendered redundant.
JeffCO, you're one of the Keebler elves?
I ended up in a TARDIS once. Ended up on Skaro, trying to prevent the Genesis of the Daleks. Janeane The Acerbic Goblin
I take it you were not successful.
I would have thought he would let anyone do that gratis....
Fiddy cent.
I went to France for health care, and when they gave me the bill (25 USD), I said "you damn, liberal commie bastards! This is un-American". So I went home, threw myself in front of a truck, broke my leg, got a 100K bill, and said "God bless America".
I have asked my iPhone to marry me. We're hoping to one day have a Flash-enabled browser and VOIP.
Then even if you have decent health coverage, and end up in a county hospital due to it being the closest place, the care there is not always the best. I got a bad burn when a furnace I was trying to light in Big Sur exploded and gave me 3rd degree burns on my hand. I think I got a Dr. Mengel there, who wanted right at that moment to debrid the whole burnt area (shallow 3rd degree burn with very live nerves below) with no pain pills.
I told that monster to stop, and that I'd take my Blue Cross and Kaiser Cards to a real ER room, who knew what they were doing. Had my wife drive me up to The SF Bay area that night, and drank a bottle of whiskey on the way to kill the pain.
JeffCO, you're one of the Keebler elves? Sallyh
No, but they're neighbors. And a hell of a lot friendlier than those goddam underpants gnomes.
Get sick, then pay whatever the circling sharks demand.
It makes perfect sense, if you are a shark.
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hey thanks to each and every one of you for your kind comments.
Just want to say that I am knee-walking drunk this fine full moon eve.
I am gaining my peace bit by bit, and your each and every wish therefor has been deeply helpful. I am able to get there more quickly because of my g'dtr's demeanor. She is gaining her peace...and leading the way for all of us in the family.
Please forgive me for intruding on you this way. Don;t know why, can;'t say why, but it is meaningful for me to engage with you all. It helps. Thank you so very, very much.
I will not speak of it again until there is more to say.
Blessings be.
JeffCO | 07.01.07 - 1:12 am | #
Nah. The 4th Doctor prevented us from destroying the embryo room.
Genesis of the Daleks was the first Doctor Who show I saw.
I wish I were knee walking drunk.
I have asked my iPhone to marry me. We're hoping to one day have a Flash-enabled browser and VOIP.
WalterNeff, hammered
you need shots before the wedding, looks like
Doug, here in L.A., you might be better off with some of the county facilities. They're teaching hospitals; lots of smart residents and the like.
MARINERS - 7 IN A ROW!!!!
Tomorrow we leave Snowmass for Evergreen, a bedroom town west of Denver in the foothills of the Rockies. We have friends who live near Alderfer/Three Sisters Mountain Park, where we will take a nice day hike.
That giant sucking sound you hear is the tightening sphincters of all insurance executives everywhere at the prospect of being rendered redundant.
Maybe Big Pharma could find a way to render them directly and cut out the middle man!
Sarah Deere, speak when you need to, keep silent if you so desire.
We will be here.
Michael Moore knew he would get so much shit for Sicko, but he didn't care. He put it out and he's taking the heat for it and defending it admirably. It's not like the usual Democratic game, where they duck, cower, and run every time a Republican criticises them.
Imagine if a DLCer got a hold of Moore's film.
Ya know, if you could drop the insurance companies and the prison business and the GWOT scams, the country could probably pay up on some of our debts...
Sweet dreams, you lovely bats of the moon. Sleep warm and deep and inspired sleep. Wake from slumber to revolutions without number.
Tomorrow we leave Snowmass for Evergreen
Those bastards in Jefferson County stole my URL!
Sarah: anything I can do...
Xan -- I used "Big Pharma" as shorthand because, well, they are big, and they are Pharma, and Big Pharma has viciously fought to keep ELDERLY POOR PEOPLE FROM MAINE WITH BAD DISEASES from buying generic drugs from Canada so they can treat their disease and keep from freezing or starving in the winter.
It makes perfect sense, if you are a shark.
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TelltaleHeart
you called?
That giant sucking sound you hear is the tightening sphincters of all insurance executives everywhere at the prospect of being rendered redundant.
Maybe Big Pharma could find a way to render them directly and cut out the middle man!
If they won't get out of the way I'd prescribe to those executives, lethal injections.
Sharks, I know you're carnivorous, but how about some strawberry shortcake?
Real whipped cream, too.
Like me, many of you have had major surgery. I can't imagine what it must be like to be uninsured: scary as hell - I had major heart surgery 18 months ago: 140k before insurance. Yikes.
Sarah, I hope fervently that we may be of some ridiculous kind of comfort as we battle the forces of mediocrity and empire. There is life that comes and goes in this community, and the new are welcomed and the ones that are troubled are embraced in real compassion. That's why I hang around.
And to pee on trolls.
Those bastards in Jefferson County stole my URL!
JeffCO
I see JeffCO.org and .edu are taken, JeffCO.tv and .mil are available.
I remember a story (possibly Reader's Digest) about a kid carving living quarters out of a redwood tree. Coulda been a children's book for all I know. Sounded kind of cool.
you called?
The Sharks
We don't need you this summer. We have airport bombers in Glasgow.
/MSM
It isn't actually just the insurance companies which gain from the current system. A comparison of earnings and profits across countries suggests that quite a few other groups do well in this country, too. Including physicians in terms of income.
Real whipped cream, too.
Sallyh
*whispers*
Promise not to tell?
Sarah: anything I can do...
ProfWombat
you do, simply be being. You all do.
XXOO/SD
Please forgive me for intruding on you this way. Don;t know why, can;'t say why, but it is meaningful for me to engage with you all. It helps. Thank you so very, very much.
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Sleep in peace.
Sharks, your secret is safe with me.
When you're done, would you mind nibbling on the CEO of Blue Cross Blue Shield?
We don't need you this summer. We have airport bombers in Glasgow.
/MSM
Come on in, the water's fine!
And to pee on trolls.
ronjazz©
yes, yes, and yes!!
thank you.
So, K.T. Tunstsall. Nice.
TinyPorcelainMouse
Amen!
With this talk about the evils of the American insurance industry, it's worth noting that Canada doesn't have "socialized medicine". The doctors are all private. What Canada has socialized health insurance.
When you're done, would you mind nibbling on the CEO of Blue Cross Blue Shield?
Sallyh
I wouldn't mind at all, but give me a few minutes to get the Rolaids.
sallyh: perhaps a generous pour of Armagnac this evening?
Okay. Why does baseball seem to be all about home runs these days????? Watched Mets/Philllies today and thought - jeez, withoutb the homers, where would this score have been...???
Echidne of the snakes, I agree with you. they are a cartel, and Big Pharma includes insurance and physicians and equipment developers and researcher facilities. We spend billions on stuff, then can't use it.
ProfWombat, of course!
The night blooming jasmine is lovely this time of year, and especially under a full moon
With the choices of tunes the Duncster posts, perhaps indeed he does hate us.
Alright, looks like one of the copies of the Dr Who finale someone careless left lying around the internets has found its way here, so I must away. Positive and portentous dreams to all.
Deacon Blues - enjoy another fine Colorado day!
Sarah Deere - hugs and equanimity to you.
Sharks, if that doesn't work, I keep a nice stash of Pepto Bismol.
The doctors are all private. What Canada has socialized health insurance.
How well are they paid compared with the US.
(I don't object to competent docs making money, they work long hours, and studied a long time to get their skills)
Gilly, there is no perhaps.
Dad really, really hates us
sallyh: we have thunderstorms now. the poor dog is scared and I'm up with her, poor thing...
I am afeared of the video posts that show hair bigger than the big arrow in the middle. I daren't play them.
KT Tunstall - Suddenly I See
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e...h?v=e-
At6avvY_4
Gilly, there is no perhaps.
Dad really, really hates us
He hates me because mah kittenzzz are so cute.
You and your loved ones are in our thoughts, Sarah Deere.
ProfWombat, isn't Josie about the size of a Honda Civic?
Doug: it's also common for docs to have six figure debts leaving med school, then to earn not a whole lot while they work their butts off during three to seven years of residency...
How well are they paid compared with the US.
From what I gather, a bit less, but still far more than the average person.
He hates me because mah kittenzzz are so cute.
fourlegsgood, centaur rodeoist | Homepage | 07.01.07 - 1:25 am |
Oh fourlegs, your kittens just melted my cold heart. 
With this talk about the evils of the American insurance industry, it's worth noting that Canada doesn't have "socialized medicine". The doctors are all private. What Canada has socialized health insurance.
Richard | Homepage | 07.01.07 - 1:22 am | #
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Whatever. In Maine, just walking into an emergency room costs $600. If you don't have health insurance and are working class you cannot afford any medical attention, period. That means, in the real world, that I might have prostate or colon cancer right now but I will not know about it until it is too advanced to stop. I cannot afford to go to a doctor for anything, even for a general examination.
With the choices of tunes the Duncster posts, perhaps indeed he does hate us.
Gilly Gonzylon
Perhaps a little Rocky Mountain Way ?
4Legs, oh my god, they're...language is inadequate.
Are the tiny tigers asleep or terrorizing you to throw the milk ring?
The monsoon rains still have not started. It hit 109 today in Tucson, 102 out here further in the desert.
It's 10:21 and still 83F
I want the monsoons to start.
Josie is actually more the size of a 1957 Chrysler Imperial...
Like me, many of you have had major surgery. I can't imagine what it must be like to be uninsured: scary as hell - I had major heart surgery 18 months ago: 140k before insurance. Yikes.
Oy.
I was uninsured when I had my tonsils out. I paid the surgeon and the hospital out of my pocket. Came to about $7k, but only because I didn't stay overnight. And didn't have any complications.
Perhaps a little Rocky Mountain Way ?
Deacon Blues in Snowmass | 07.01.07 - 1:27 am | #
Cool! That's before he started looking like Karl Malden...
Personally, I'm tired of "free market" worshipping trolls.
Conservatives are always against things until something happens to them.
Rush trashes the ACLU every day, yet, they helped keep his ass out of jail. If I was in charge of the ACLU, I would have told him to fuck off.
It seems hard to blame doctors for being well off, because they put a lot in, but once they form associations that are essentially a fishing pool for lobbyists, then it gets out of hand.
G'night JeffCO --- It's back home Monday afternoon ...
ProfWombat, if I recall, didn't that have a low purring V8 and a bench seat?
Meanwhile, back to the video, for a very interesting discussion check out http://nielsenhayden.com/makingl...ves/
007813.html.
4Legs, oh my god, they're...language is inadequate.
Are the tiny tigers asleep or terrorizing you to throw the milk ring?
They're awake and running amok.
Maddie's thing tonight has been to lay on my chest and try to bit my nose and ears.
All night I've been hollering, "No bitey!! NO EARS!! NOT MY NOSE!!!"
Rush trashes the ACLU every day, yet, they helped keep his ass out of jail. If I was in charge of the ACLU, I would have told him to fuck off.
Janeane The Acerbic Goblin | 07.01.07 - 1:28 am | #
Copulate with insecticide ?
before he started looking like Karl Malden...
Gilly Gonzylon
I don't believe the two have ever been photographed together
I really don't like Joe Walsh at all with one major exception.
sallyh: why, yes, now that you mention it. No convertible option, though. Not to mention that you could probably put a bowling alley in the trunk...
ProfWombat, it sounds rather nice, actually
Oh boy, here comes the milkring.
Janeane: if a conservative is a liberal who's been mugged, then a liberal's a conservative who's lost his health insurance...
Madeleine, Mommy wants to play Milk Ring!
I had major heart surgery 18 months ago: 140k before insurance.
I had semi-minor eye surgery not too long ago. An outpatient procedure. The hospital bill alone was $45k. That was before the doctor's fee!
Luckily, Kaiser paid it all.
quite a few other groups do well in this country, too. Including physicians in terms of income.
Echidne of the snakes
Yeah, but this I can live with quite comfortably, because doctors actually heal the sick. Or at least try. So if money is going to be going out of all our pockets for "health care" I find it entirely reasonable that large proportions of same wind up in the pockets of doctors. It is an incredibly demanding profession, both in terms of education and then in execution. I could no more do it than I could sprout wings and fly; for those who can I can say sure, pay them like crazy.
What I worry about more, in terms of how we're going to do the transition from What We Have Now to How It's Eventually Going To Be, is the new jobs we're going to have to find for the people who currently work in doctor's offices doing nothing but badgering either insurance companies or patients for payments not yet received. Doctors are screwed badly by the present system too but at the same time it provides work for people with brains but lacking college degrees. I worry about those folks.
How well are they paid compared with the US.
Doug
It depends where and what. GPs make less than specialists. I'd say the average Ontario income is into 6 figures. Also, school is more heavily subsidized here.
Now she's catching the milk ring in midair.
sallyh: heck, you owned one of those things today, it'd have its own zip code...
Unless he's going out again, I think my son is scheduled to come home in an hour. Maybe I'd better root around in the fridge and freezer to see what he can have.
I know I've got some excellent brat sausage in the fridge, and a stack of sirloin steaks in the freezer, along with other things.
Any suggestions?
I wish I could teach Ripley to throw the milkring.
Bloomberg - Standard & Poor's, Moody's Investors Service and Fitch Ratings are masking burgeoning losses in the market for subprime mortgage bonds by failing to cut the credit ratings on about $200 billion of securities backed by home loans.
The highest default rates on home loans in a decade have reduced prices of some bonds backed by mortgages to people with poor or limited credit by more than 50 cents on the dollar and forced New York-based Bear Stearns Cos. to offer $3.2 billion to bail out a money-losing hedge fund. Almost 65 percent of the bonds in indexes that track subprime mortgage debt don't meet the ratings criteria in place when they were sold, according to data compiled by Bloomberg.
That may just be the beginning. Downgrades by S&P, Moody's and Fitch would force hundreds of investors to sell holdings, roiling the $800 billion market for securities backed by subprime mortgages and $1 trillion of collateralized debt obligations, the fastest growing part of the financial markets.
``You'll see massive losses from banks, insurance companies and pension managers,'' said Joshua Rosner, a managing director at investment research firm Graham Fisher & Co. in New York and co-author of a study last month that said S&P, Moody's and Fitch understate the risks of subprime mortgage bonds. ``The longer they wait, the worse it's going to be.''
ProfWombat | 07.01.07 - 1:32 am | #
This I can agree with...
Oh good God, why this song?
"the sound of my tears"??
Any suggestions?
Doug
The steaks would have to be room temp to cook properly, so go with the brats
Yeah, but this I can live with quite comfortably, because doctors actually heal the sick. Or at least try. So if money is going to be going out of all our pockets for "health care" I find it entirely reasonable that large proportions of same wind up in the pockets of doctors. It is an incredibly demanding profession, both in terms of education and then in execution. I could no more do it than I could sprout wings and fly; for those who can I can say sure, pay them like crazy.
Quite. But so is nursing, and it is nowhere near as well paid. It's paid lower than many quite routine occupations. And certainly physicians deserve a good income. It's the absolute level of that which is much higher here, even after taking into account the higher costs of tuition.
But I had in mind also groups such as those who have invested in biochemical companies or medical companies. In the 1990s they made an extremely high income out of that.
Now she's catching the milk ring in midair.
You need a video cam!
ProfWombat, probably only runs on premium, too.
My cat caught a balloon in mid air.
Once.
That learned him.
I'm going to bed. G'night, bats.
I really don't like Joe Walsh at all with one major exception.
Deacon Blues in Snowmass | 07.01.07 - 1:30 am | #
He makes these incredible "who cut the cheese" guitar faces in the live 1977 version of "Hotel California".
http://img291.imageshack.us/
my.p...mage=xazvy3.jpg
Well, I shold take my purple dog for a piddle run before bed.
Costs of many new biotech drugs such as monoclonals or such can easily be in the thousands of dollars per dose.
Now she's catching the milk ring in midair.
You need a video cam!
Oy.
I gotta enough to do without fucking with video.
What would the typical tuition be for a half decent medical school in the US?
I'm looking at the webpage of the med school at the University of Manitoba in Canada.
They charge $7000 Canadian (roughly $6000 American) a year.
Another big difference between Canada and the US - virtually all universities are publically funded in Canada.
I don't believe the two have ever been photographed together
Does anyone online have advanced Google search skills who can verify this? I've tried Google's Advanced Search page but I don't think I'm doing it right -- getting too many hits
sallyh: just hop in, m'dear; no seat belt to buckle, just slide on over...
I really don't like Joe Walsh at all with one major exception.
Deacon Blues in Snowmass
I can't really think of anyone I've ever known who's like a major "Joe Walsh Fan" or has ever been to one of his concerts.
ProfWombat, the idea that the backseat is larger than some houses in SoCal is not unappealing
probably only runs on premium, too
I've had cars like that. The Electra I had not only ran on premium, but it preferred Sunoco 260, or Sohio (but only from some stations) Super leaded.
Otherwise it pinged all the time.
I can't really think of anyone I've ever known who's like a major "Joe Walsh Fan" or has ever been to one of his concerts.
Buzz Bomb
Me, neither, but he sold a lot of records on his own. :shrug: Go figger.
ProfWombat, what burns my ass over those meds is that basic research is done in universities. Certainly, money doesn't make it down to researchers.
Here's a little 4th of July treat for all you old folks...
Richard: costs between $25,000 and $50,000 are not uncommon...
Quite. But so is nursing, and it is nowhere near as well paid.
Echidne of the snakes
Finally. Thank you.
They are treating us so poorly. Christ, at the laundry list of complaints I have to swallow nightly just to do my job. It is both scary and criminal.
After insurance: $144,678
I don't believe the two have ever been photographed together
Does anyone online have advanced Google search skills who can verify this? I've tried Google's Advanced Search page but I don't think I'm doing it right -- getting too many hits
Deacon Blues in Snowmass | 07.01.07 - 1:39 am | #
I'm the same way with Tony Blair and Jerry Seinfeld.
http://www.ghostofaflea.com/arch...hives/
blair.jpg
http://www.jimpoz.com/quotes/ima...rs/
seinfeld.jpg
Here's a little 4th of July treat for all you old folks...
dave™©
Heh. Uncle Sammy looks a little pink-eyed
I saw Joe Walsh when he played in the 'James Gang' at a small theater on High street just to the North of OSU.
That concert was excellent.
Echidne, there is no argument between us, really (I wouldn't dare! Not only do I adore you but you are way smarter, and I am almost certain more sober at the moment, than I am.)
I am just grabbing quotes from various people to emphasize the point that it is the "medical insurance" industry that is the villain of our current situation, the bloodsucking vampire that needs the steak--oops, sorry Doug, I meant "stake"--through the heart and vanish into nonexistence. Because they do not "provide care" for anybody; they exist only to deny care, or effectively so by refusing to pay for it.
How nurses are paid and treated is truly criminal. Nurses do the physical work and planning and patient education, and don't get paid jack.
And Schwarzenegger wants to increase the patient to nurse ratio. In the meantime, we have a desperate shortage of nurses in CA, but no willingness on the part of the legislature to fund new schools.
No argument, Xan. I just wanted to point out that the picture is more complicated than we often say in our righteous wrath. Another group that benefits from the current system is the manufacturers of advanced technology. Some of that improves the quality of care immensely, but some of it doesn't do very much, or we don't know if it does, yet the profits in that field are high in both cases.
Good evening!
I'm using Zapette's MacBook, so I kinda feel filthy right now.
But I beat her at Rummy 500, so I can ride that particuar high...
OK then, it's off to bed here. A pleasure visiting!
I can't really think of anyone I've ever known who's like a major "Joe Walsh Fan"...
The James Gang were fairly popular "back in the day," as the kids say. "Funk 49" was an FM staple.
The album with "Life's Been Good" on it was also a decent hit at the time.
Personally, I was kind of jazzed when he joined up with the Eagles. Saw the Eagles on the tour pre-Joe and the first one post-Joe, and post-Joe Eagles were much, much superior.
Guess he's been living off the royalties since then...
OK, off to W-A-L-K the mutt and sleep. Ohmygod:30 comes early.
I was supposed to go to bed...
Now I am. Sweet dreams!
A good paper on medical school costs and resultant indebtedness:
http://sls.downstate.edu/
financi...lSchoolDebt.pdf
85% of public med school graduates and 81% of private school graduates are indebted, with medians of $100,000 and $130,000 respectively.
And I'm listening to The Jam right now; so I'm renewing my mod credentials...
ProfWombat, not exactly a wonderful way to start out one's professional life.
ProfWombat, what is the average income of a physician these days?
After insurance: $144,678.
A distant relative is involved in a relationship with a cranky old farmer in the San Joaquin Valley who has a shitload of money and no health insurance. He needed a heart operation, so he paid cash. The hospital let him pay the insurance rate, which was about half the "rack" rate.
Echidne, have you ever heard of Appalachian pentecostal snake handler churches?
a couple videos of this.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O...h?
v=ObhvOeNCKhs
http://festville.com/index.php/a...andling-church/
How nurses are paid and treated is truly criminal. Nurses do the physical work and planning and patient education, and don't get paid jack.
That's fucked up.
I'm listening to The Dogz Barking And Play Fighting Right Next To Me, my favorite album by Please Don't Bite Me By Accident.
Heh! It appears that clicking the "Notify me of followup comments via email" box ensures a full inbox...
Quite. But so is nursing, and it is nowhere near as well paid.
Echidne of the snakes
Finally. Thank you.
They are treating us so poorly. Christ, at the laundry list of complaints I have to swallow nightly just to do my job. It is both scary and criminal.
TinyPorcelainMouse
TPM, my apologies, I was using "doctors" as shorthand for any hands-on medical provider. Most emphatically including nurses and physicians assistants and the like; not only is my sister in law anurse (LPN, contract in-home private duty at the moment) but PAs have been my only 'health care providers' for the last 12 years since I last had insurance and have been paying out of pocket in clinics and such.
Goddess bless you all.
Buzz Bomb, beyond fucked up.
ProfWombat, what burns my ass over those meds is that basic research is done in universities. Certainly, money doesn't make it down to researchers.
With regards to anything new that might be generated from such research, the university typically owns the patent rights, not the researchers themselves.
sallyh: then, you want to start a practice, perhaps, but before you buy paper clips you have to buy an insurance policy costing tens of thousands, perhaps hundreds of thousands of dollars, that protects you to less than half the amount of some cases decided in your specialty, and find further coverage isn't available. Which is why you look for a job in a group. And like that...
ProfWombat, and Monsieur and I will be paying a huge chunk of that for Mlle, should she be accepted into med school.
I'm listening to The Dogz Barking And Play Fighting Right Next To Me, my favorite album by Please Don't Bite Me By Accident.
I fucking hate that album.
Cool! I learned how to copy and paste on a Mac. I'm a genius!!
Richard, true.
(obligatory pre-teen "I don't want to go to bed" while rubbing the eyes scene is now over. No, not me, the little lefty ) Officially off to sleep. Nytol!
NTodd, where are the Catz?
I'm listening to "Bizzy Ball Blitz" by The Plushettes right now.
If you feel like it, check out this young ultra cutie folk guitar girl. She's really fuggin good. She's figured it out...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e...h?
v=eivb8TOfHEo
Cool! I learned how to copy and paste on a Mac. I'm a genius!!
If you were a REAL genius you'd use a Mac all the time.
sallyh: depends on area of country and specialty. Here's an interesting page on physician compensation:
http://www.physicianssearch.com/...an/
salary2.html
We're currently listening to 'Stoned Catnip Love,' as performed by the Four Felines. Accompanied by 'Snoring Rhodesian Ridgeback' as a solo.
ProfWombat, we have to educate her first.
It's going to be a long haul, for everyone involved.
My data on physician incomes is ten years old. In 1996, the average physician earned 182,400 per year. The lowest earners were general practitioners who made an average of 121,200. The highest were surgeons who made an average of 255,200.
Ripley has just gone into full out "mad mode."
Maddie is just laying on the floor, watching her with an astonished look.
I fell in love with every nurse I had, including the male nurses. Note: I spent 8 days in Swedish, private room: The best nurses - smart, attentive, professional - were the young nurses. There seemed to be a break at about age thirty between the "brow-wipers" and the scientists. I was incredibly impressed by the young nurses, male and female, AND the nurses from Eastern Europe. All others? Go work at the 7-11, thank you.
NTodd, where are the Catz?
In bed with me and the Dogz.
If you were a REAL genius you'd use a Mac all the time.
fourlegsgood, centaur rodeoist | Homepage | 07.01.07 - 1:55 am | #
Let's get ready to Rumble !!!
Now she's catching the milk ring in midair.
fourlegsgood, centaur rodeoist
Awwwwwww........
Echidne before going to bed do look at the snake handler church links I posted above.
In bed with me and the Dogz.
NTodd, Trashy | Homepage | 07.01.07 - 1:57 am | #
Is there spooning ?
This country is about to explode, methinks...
echidne: general surgeons aren't doing that well. In Massachusetts, groups are having recruitment difficulties. Radiolofists, anaesthesiologists and procedure-oriented internists such as cardiologists and GI folk do much better...
I logged on to chat with you fine folks, but sweet Jeebus, the kid is too tired. I gotta shut down for the night. Sweet dreams.
ProfWombat, Mlle isn't sure what she'd like to do. It seems that that decision isn't made until one's been in med school for a couple of years.
Is there spooning ?
No, just grooming right now. Vinnie and Lola were just tag teaming on Mex's ears.
An underplayed Violent Femmes tune. Dark, cool, old style. Good video.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L...h?
v=Lwj5_SNWYc8
NTodd, do they bathe you as well?
sallyh: count on it that it'll switch many times as she drifts through different services. A lot has to do with positive experiences with individual people, too...
'Night, all...
4LG,
Zapette's got this thing on loan from the school for the summer. It's too tiny for me.
Plus, she's got the Vista-powered laptop out on the balcony looking at furniture from IKEA. It's nice to throw a cookie or two to the spouse once and a while.
Talking doggies!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_...h?v=_XYSfay-
mi8
Nancy Benoit was living the dream...
Really? Living The Dream standards need to be raised up a notch. 32 notches.
Awwwwwww........
Culture of TrÜth
Great.
Since you think it's so cute, please come over here and throw it for her for an hour or two.
Plus, she's got the Vista-powered laptop out on the balcony looking at furniture from IKEA.
Vista?
Good grief.
4Legs, toddlers are exhausting.
Doug, I watched the videos. The snakes look somnolent to me, but who knows.
4Legs, toddlers are exhausting.
I'll say.
I wish they'd get tired.
What Would Jesus Drive? Heh, well done.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p...h?v=pe-
er9FqhYA
NTodd, do they bathe you as well?
Yes. It can be quite annoying.
Shit...how does one refresh on this damn Mac?
Since you think it's so cute, please come over here and throw it for her for an hour or two.
fourlegsgood, centaur rodeoist
That's what I'm doing now.
Oops, back to wrestling now and the Catz scatter. And Daddy moves to protect the laptop...plus his appendages.
NTodd, Willow was bathing me right on my sunburn last night. Mmm, sandpapery tongue on inflamed skin.
Shit...how does one refresh on this damn Mac?
You can't. One of the downsides of the platform.
Doug, I watched the videos. The snakes look somnolent to me, but who knows.
Oh, no they're not.
I had an anthropology professor in college who studied those people.
He showed us a film that completely freaked me out. At the end of it one of the guys got bitten by a rattlesnake. They believe it's god's will whether they live or die. To this day I don't know if he lived or not.
Also one of my photography profs photographed a group of them several years ago. He said the snakes are wide awake.
They probably ARE accostomed to being handled though.
VISTA? I saw it last week. I'm quite sure that it was designed by Fisher-Price.
Vista?
Good grief.
It's not that bad.
But, to be honest, I don't know enough about OS's to know what's good or bad.
I'm embarrassed to say that this bottle of merlot cost about 8 bucks
WalterNeff, Fisher Price would have done much, much better.
The Drop and Roar Dinosaur is the shit.
VISTA? I saw it last week. I'm quite sure that it was designed by Fisher-Price.
My feeling too.
I'm embarrassed to say that this bottle of merlot cost about 8 bucks
HA!!
You must be drinking the same stuff I am tonight.
Turning Leaf, about $8 at my local HEB.
The Drop and Roar Dinosaur is the shit.
Not as good as the Chick-osaurus Rex.
VISTA? I saw it last week. I'm quite sure that it was designed by Fisher-Price.
My feeling too.
fourlegsgood, centaur rodeoist | Homepage | 07.01.07 - 2:09 am | #
I like Linux. Nanu Nanu !
4Legs, got you and WalterNeff beat.
Night Owl Chardonnay, $3.99/bottle
Night Owl Chardonnay, $3.99/bottle
Sallyh, Grandmere Poissonniere | 07.01.07 - 2:11 am
All of a sudden I've got a hangover.
Well, since I'm a looser for using Vista, I'll reestablish my cool cred by listening to some Frank Black.
How's that?
VISTA? I saw it last week. I'm quite sure that it was designed by Fisher-Price.
You know, most of the Mac types sniff that Microsoft stole everything for Vista from OS X.
Just sayin'...
Gilly, I use Red Hat's version for work.
I like Linux. Nanu Nanu !
Linux is fine for people who like to fool with their software.
Me, not so much. I wanna turn on my laptop use it without thinking much about it.
Gilly, it's actually pretty good.
I'm embarrassed to say that this bottle of merlot cost about 8 bucks...
Do you like it?
All that matters...
This Stephen Segal movie just opened up with a quotation from Arthur Miller on the screen.
Next shot: a black pimp in a purple fedora and red silk shirt yelling at his "bitches"
My brother's dog pack...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v...h?
v=v_D9rezTE6E
How's that?
Zap Rowsdower | Homepage | 07.01.07 - 2:12 am | #
Listen to the WWJD flick as well. The voice of the male singer is perfect.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p...h?v=pe-
er9FqhYA
Zap:
You're a loser for saying "looser"
.
You know, most of the Mac types sniff that Microsoft stole everything for Vista from OS X.
Just sayin'...
Yeah, but they didn't do a very good job stealing.
I love Fusees Cab. $5.99, excellent.
Speaking of cheap wine, here's one of my faves.
Made by a crusty old Italian guy who tells the kids to get off his lawn.
Cheap and spicy - the way a zinfandel should be!
Segal just beat up the pimp.
Maddie tried to choke me earlier with her tail 'o doom.
Sallyh:
FOUR BUCKS??! I hope a tornado doesn't target your mobile home tonight, Ms. McDonough.
.
CoT, we're watching real cinema here.
"Animal House."
"Fat, drunk and stupid is no way to go through life, son."
The kittens are running about like crazy kats.
I wonder if they do this every night while I'm sleeping?
No wonder I'm always so tired with all this racket.
'kay, 'mout. l8h9rs.
I like Linux. Nanu Nanu !
Linux is fine for people who like to fool with their software.
Me, not so much. I wanna turn on my laptop use it without thinking much about it.
That's pretty much how the linux distro I've been using for awhile works for me.
http://sidux.com/
I used to use kanotix, but since all the developers there moved to sidux, I followed them.
Hey, Walt, if you like good, but pricey, wine, may I recommend these guys?
They're new on the scene - the guy running the show had a real good run producing chardonnay. Now he's switching to reds.
WalterNeff, did you guys not like New Zealand?
You know, most of the Mac types sniff that Microsoft stole everything for Vista from OS X.
Beyond that, Vista evidentally uses three times as much RAM as XP does while adding essentially nothing to the performance, and the next major version of windows is due out in only two years anyway.
Anyone who buys it for a PC that already runs a previous version of windows is tossing their money away.
I used to use kanotix, but since all the developers there moved to sidux, I followed them.
I'll take your word for it.
I'm too old (and too lazy) to learn a new OS.
Mac works for me, so I don't feel any need to change. Most of the stuff I use day to day (Photoshop, Indesign, etc) is native for Mac.
fourlegsgood:
we returned for significant family reasons.
I'll take a glass of Merlot, please...
Aiight. The thirty folks here can mock my Vista use all they want, but it was a good way to get a laptop.
I kid. There's a lot of effed up stuff with Vista, but I've gotten over it. Like I said, I don't know enough abut the medium to give a crap.
But I should be off to reassure Zapette that I still love her.
Goodnight!!
I'll take a glass of Merlot, please...
Janeane The Acerbic Goblin | 07.01.07 - 2:21 am | #
Glog for moi...
Hi folks, just back from watching Jesus Camp. Anyone else see it?
Janeane:
here, have the rest of this . . . I'm suitably self-medicated.
.
fourlegsgood:
we returned for significant family reasons.
Ahh.
Bummer. Though we're glad to have you back in our time zone.
Beyond that, Vista evidentally uses three times as much RAM as XP does while adding essentially nothing to the performance...
Believe me, I'm no fan of Vista... or Microsoft.
Even people with new PCs want XP instead of the latest flava. Of course, nobody wanted XP when it came out, either...
Hi folks, just back from watching Jesus Camp. Anyone else see it?
spocko | Homepage | 07.01.07 - 2:21 am | #
Yes. Scariest movie I've seen in at least 5 years.
Spocko, I did.
It was not a pleasant experience. Then again, child abuse never is.
Jesus Camp? That's for pikers: try Hell House.
Beyond that, Vista evidentally uses three times as much RAM as XP does while adding essentially nothing to the performance, and the next major version of windows is due out in only two years anyway.
Can you disable all of the bling and eye candy in Vista the way you can in XP? I did that on my cheesy little XP laptop, and now it's almost fast.
Jesus Camp? That's for pikers: try Hell House.
WalterNeff, hammered | 07.01.07 - 2:24 am | #
Me no like camping.
Jesus Camp? That's for pikers: try Hell House.
Oy, I hate those religious freaks.
Hey, Spocko, one of Roger Ailes' (not the short fat balding repulsive one) fill-ins is stepping on your beat!
Something you'll not be likely to see in your newspaper tomorrow morning.
"Europe honors HRW for exposing CIA jails
Published: June 29, 2007 at 3:27 PM
E-mail Story | Print Preview | License
NEW YORK, June 29 (UPI) -- A U.S. human rights group was honored this week by a European parliamentary body for its work in exposing CIA secret prisons.
The Parliamentary Assembly of the Council of Europe in Strasbourg Wednesday gave an award to the New York-based Human Rights Watch for "helping to lift the veil of secrecy in the investigation into alleged secret detentions and illegal transfers of prisoners."
http://www.upi.com/Security_Terr...cia_jails/7678/
Jesus Camp?
those r teh doodz runnin ur governmet
...try Hell House.
One of Roddy McDowell's best.
We were watching the original version of "The Haunting" a week or so back, and I realized the Disney people stole a few things from that for their "Haunted Mansion"...
Can you disable all of the bling and eye candy in Vista the way you can in XP? I did that on my cheesy little XP laptop, and now it's almost fast.
Evidently, you can turn off some stuff, but the the advantage gained is minimal...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/
Cri...sta#Performance
Windows Vista takes up significantly more memory (RAM) and executes typical applications slower than Windows XP, for the same hardware configuration[50][51]. With no processes running other than system processes, Windows Vista with Aero enabled consumes ~425 MB of physical memory, and with Aero disabled, only ~25 MB less[52]; compared to Windows XP, which consumes ~120 MB of memory.
Due to the resource use of Vista, many games including games using the Source engine (Half Life 2, Counter Strike: Source, etc.), and games using the Doom 3 Engine (Doom 3, Quake 4, etc.) show a significant drop in frame rate compared to that experienced in Windows XP[53]. This effect is mostly a problem if the computer running Vista has less than 2 GB of memory. However, hardware surveys show that very few gamers have 2 GB of RAM or more available on their hardware (less than 0.1% on Steam November 2006 hardware survey) [54].
Additionally, even with 2 GB of system memory, video games benchmarks with Vista show a framerate drop compared with XP[55], with some benchmarks showing a significant drop with similar configurations [56]. Of course, as some articles point out, these results are also the consequence of the current lack of maturity of Vista Graphics processing units drivers, and even maturity of Vista itself [57][58].
those r teh doodz runnin ur governmet
Thanks for reminding me. 
It was interesting. I was comparing it with my religious up bringing and one thing that I really appreciate is that my faith wasn't afraid of science and critical thought.
I think the other part that makes me so upset is the part when the Fundamentalists get behind the war and killing that comes with that. Would have been interesting to see what their take was on the war and the killing of others. Would they have used the fear card or the 9/11 card. They did talk about how the Muslims are raising their kids to kill so I guess we need to raise our kids to to to WHAT? Kill them? Die for Christ? Or Kill for Christ?
They didn't really talk about that as much as they talked about the tiny babies that they showed that were going to be killed.
And of course Ted Haggarty with teh gay! Wow.
Can you disable all of the bling and eye candy in Vista the way you can in XP? I did that on my cheesy little XP laptop, and now it's almost fast.
Very little.
It comes with a clock, rss feeder, and photo gallery snagged on to the desktop that manages to disable itself when ever it feels like doing so.
Whatever. I'm over it. I really can't get concerned about all of that little stuff. And, I'm not a "computer guy", per se'; so I'm just a consumerist dupe, I guess.
Now 'mout.
425 MB of RAM for the operating system. That is fucking obscene.
Due to the resource use of Vista, many games including games using the Source engine (Half Life 2, Counter Strike: Source, etc.), and games using the Doom 3 Engine (Doom 3, Quake 4, etc.) show a significant drop in frame rate compared to that experienced in Windows XP[53].
Personally, this is the least of my worries.
Goddam kids anyway...
Still need to see Jesus Camp.
Hell House, saw clips, didn't see the whole thing. Love the idea though.
Scare the SIN out of people!
(I used to do haunted houses all the time as a kid, got on TV doing one of them)
Oh and I don't mind at all that Roger Allies is getting in on the China story.
I give some info I had to USA Today for their FOIA staff hopefully it will turn up some specific emails from Big Chicken to the USDA telling them what to do. Should be interesting (in about 2 years ;-(
Evidently, you can turn off some stuff, but the the advantage gained is minimal...
Thanks, Richard. I guess I'll continue to put up with XP.
I think the other part that makes me so upset is the part when the Fundamentalists get behind the war and killing that comes with that.
So much for this...
"You have heard that it was said, 'An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth.' But I tell you, do not resist an evil person. If someone strikes you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also. And if someone wants to sue you and take your tunic, let him have your cloak as well. If someone forces you to go one mile, go with him two miles. Give to the one who asks you, and do not turn away from the one who wants to borrow from you." (Matthew 5:38-42, NIV)
"But I tell you who hear me: Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, bless those who curse you, pray for those who mistreat you. If someone strikes you on one cheek, turn to him the other also. If someone takes your cloak, do not stop him from taking your tunic. Give to everyone who asks you, and if anyone takes what belongs to you, do not demand it back. Do to others as you would have them do to you." (Luke 6:27-31. NIV)
good night, DFH
Some of my favorite horror films...
Suspiria
Night of the Living Dead (original)
Dawn of the Dead (original)
Vampyr
Kwaidan
The Texas Chainsaw Massacre
425 MB of RAM for the operating system.
WTF?
After I got burned with both XP Home and ME I made a vow. Never use an OS until at least 12 months go by.
Still need to see Jesus Camp.
Janeane The Acerbic Goblin | 07.01.07 - 2:31 am | #
Pure horror. Fulci has nothing on this
Richard
That Jesus guy. What a pussy.
You know what is interesting I have studied the "sayings of Our Lord" as well as the historical context in which they were written and there is some amazing stuff there. But as Thomas Jefferson said, You have to get the diamonds in the dunghill. The early church put words in Jesus' mouth.
And when the OT loving "Christians" bring out the anti-gay stuff they never go to the New Testament. Always OT or someone like Paul.
Suspiria
Night of the Living Dead (original)
Dawn of the Dead (original)
Vampyr
Kwaidan
The Texas Chainsaw Massacre
Janeane The Acerbic Goblin | 07.01.07 - 2:35 am | #
I like the black and white Karloff / Lugosi /Cheney flicks. They're creepy fun.
Considering their supposed love for Jesus, what the fundies really do seem to worship is the awful old testament version of God...
"You are my battle-ax and sword," says the LORD. "With you I will shatter nations and destroy many kingdoms. With you I will shatter armies, destroying the horse and rider, the chariot and charioteer. With you I will shatter men and women, old people and children, young men and maidens. With you I will shatter shepherds and flocks, farmers and oxen, captains and rulers. "As you watch, I will repay Babylon and the people of Babylonia for all the wrong they have done to my people in Jerusalem," says the LORD. "Look, O mighty mountain, destroyer of the earth! I am your enemy," says the LORD. "I will raise my fist against you, to roll you down from the heights. When I am finished, you will be nothing but a heap of rubble. You will be desolate forever. Even your stones will never again be used for building. You will be completely wiped out," says the LORD. (Jeremiah 51:20-26)
Feh.
I woulda pegged you for an "Onibaba" fan, Janeane....
Feh.
Phila, Pizen Sarpint | Homepage | 07.01.07 - 2:43 am | #
Well awright !
The truth is that the greatest enemies to the doctrines of Jesus are those calling themselves the expositors of them, who have perverted them for the structure of a system of fantasy absolutely incomprehensible, and without any foundation in his genuine words. And the day will come when the mystical generation of Jesus, by the supreme being as his father in the womb of a virgin, will be classed with the fable of the generation of Minerva in the brain of Jupiter. But we may hope that the dawn of reason and freedom of thought in these United States will do away with all this artificial scaffolding, and restore to us the primitive and genuine doctrines of this the most venerated reformer of human errors.
As the "silent member" of the Congress, Jefferson, at 33, drafted the Declaration of Independence. In years following he labored to make its words a reality in Virginia. Most notably, he wrote a bill establishing religious freedom, enacted in 1786.
Phila, Pizen Sarpint | Homepage | 07.01.07 - 2:44 am | #
Forgot about that one. Great film...
I like those quiet, under the skin type horror flicks (ones that Hollywood usually doesn't make).
Carnival of Souls (the original) is really good.
Fulci sucks...
Among the sayings and discourses imputed to him by his biographers, I find many passages of fine imagination, correct morality, and of the most lovely benevolence; and others again of so much ignorance, so much absurdity, so much untruth, charlatanism, and imposture, as to pronounce it impossible that such contradictions should have proceeded from the same being. I separate therefore the gold from the dross; restore to him the former, and leave the latter to the stupidity of some, and the roguery of other of his disciples. Of this band of dupes and impostors, Paul was the great coryphaeus and first corrupter of the doctrines of Jesus.
Thomas Jefferson, 3rd President of the United States
(coryphaeus means leader of the chorus)
"You have heard that it was said, 'An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth.' But I tell you, if you haveth even the least concern that another man might posses a weapon which could harm you, even if he liveth in the most distant land, and it be but rumor, and this man and his tribe make not threat to you, verily Jesus tell us ye must fuck his shit up good, and that of his wives and children also, unto the third generation."
Shadow of the Vampire with Willem Dafoe is awesome.
Oh and just to keep with the horror film bunch:
Last House on the Left and
Don't Look in the Basement.
BTW, everyone seems to love my video of the original "Treasure Island" pirate show!
Fave horror movies, eh? I'd go with...
The Seventh Victim
I Walked With a Zombie
The Innocents
Curse of the Demon
Carnival of Souls
Mad Love
Eyes Without a Face
The early church put words in Jesus' mouth.
I've been reading this book...
Misquoting Jesus: The Story Behind Who Changed the Bible and Why
by Bart D. Ehrman
http://www.amazon.com/Misquoting...d/dp/
0060738170
The popular perception of the Bible as a divinely perfect book receives scant support from Ehrman, who sees in Holy Writ ample evidence of human fallibility and ecclesiastical politics. Though himself schooled in evangelical literalism, Ehrman has come to regard his earlier faith in the inerrant inspiration of the Bible as misguided, given that the original texts have disappeared and that the extant texts available do not agree with one another. Most of the textual discrepancies, Ehrman acknowledges, matter little, but some do profoundly affect religious doctrine. To assess how ignorant or theologically manipulative scribes may have changed the biblical text, modern scholars have developed procedures for comparing diverging texts. And in language accessible to nonspecialists, Ehrman explains these procedures and their results. He further explains why textual criticism has frequently sparked intense controversy, especially among scripture-alone Protestants. In discounting not only the authenticity of existing manuscripts but also the inspiration of the original writers, Ehrman will deeply divide his readers. Although he addresses a popular audience, he undercuts the very religious attitudes that have made the Bible a popular book. Still, this is a useful overview for biblical history collections.
Carnival of Souls (the original) is really good.
Great documentary on the second DVD. The guys that made it did industrial films for a living, apparently...
Also "Invasion of the Body Snatchers," "Kwaidan," "Freaks," and "Ugetsu."
Favorite Whore Flicks:
Jenna's Hott Babes 4
Foreskin Gump
The Joe Liberman Story
Saw the original "Texas Chainsaw Massacre" when it first came out. Seemed to me and my high school pals to be just another Z-grade gorefest. Nothing special... in fact, we laughed at most of it.
I read Ehrman in March. He was on Colbert as I recall, and it was interesting, so I picked it up.
Oops time for bed. Night all. Special gnight to Richard who is my kind of bible quoter. You sound like the kind of Christian that I know and respect.
dave™© I check the video out later.
Gilly Gonzylon ,You still bring the funny.
Culture of TrÜth Sorry about the slanties.
Phila, Pizen Sarpint Love the Friday hope. It lifted me up. Thank you.
Janeane The Acerbic Goblin "We're coming to get you Barbara."
Nite all.
spocko - you bring the good vibrations and Pipettes
dave™© | Homepage | 07.01.07 - 2:50 am | #
Carnival of Souls is the only feature film Herk Harvey ever made...
He made over 400 industrial films, the kind that get parodied to death on TV...
I guess Cronenberg's "Shivers" must be a fairly effective horror film, given that I never want to see it again...
What about that early Wes Craven movie;
'the hills have eyes'?
It's crude, but that's part of it's charm.
Phila, Pizen Sarpint Love the Friday hope. It lifted me up. Thank you.
My pleasure!
I'm out too. G'night.
What about that early Wes Craven movie;
'the hills have eyes'?
It's crude, but that's part of it's charm.
Doug | 07.01.07 - 2:54 am | #
And the British one -
"The Hills Have Ayes"
what slanties
It's crude, but that's part of it's charm.
Doug | 07.01.07 - 2:54 am | #
Very true. That's why remaking it as a big budget film was silly.
Digby:
"But all these people are so much better than the non-sequitor dribbling absurdists on the Republican side that every time I see them I feel a little bit better about the future. If any of the Dem contenders make it, we will have a president who speaks normal English, in complete sentences and responds to questions fluently and with real meaning. I can’t tell you what a relief that will be after these last six years of alien gibberish and bizarre, robotic responses that everyone has been pretending are normal ways of speaking."
http://digbysblog.blogspot.com/2...ought-
this.html
A-fuckin'-men
.
And the Starbucks One:
"The Hills Serve Chai"
The Evil Dead is my favorite.
I loved a lot of Roger Corman stuff as a kid, the Poe adaptations that starred Vincent Price, in particular.
The silent version of Nosferatu and the Cabinet of Doctor Caligari I find to be pretty creepy, largely due to the fact that silent films are "weird" anyway (the crude makeup, the jerkiness, etc.).
The silent version of Nosferatu and the Cabinet of Doctor Caligari I find to be pretty creepy, largely due to the fact that silent films are "weird" anyway (the crude makeup, the jerkiness, etc.).
Richard | Homepage | 07.01.07 - 2:59 am |
Indeed. The flickering image...
Is there something seriously wrong with Haloscan's refresh, or is it just me and my computer?
silent films are "weird" anyway (the crude makeup, the jerkiness, etc.).
Richard
Unlike today, almost all of the early film actors came from the stage. Thus, the kinda bombastic interaction.
Is there something seriously wrong with Haloscan's refresh, or is it just me and my computer?
It's been sluggish for me as well.
Hot water heater leaked, had to drain it.
I was looking for some poetry for Sarah at this time, but the book I hoped to find the relevant verse in is gone...
The silent version of Nosferatu and the Cabinet of Doctor Caligari I find to be pretty creepy, largely due to the fact that silent films are "weird" anyway (the crude makeup, the jerkiness, etc.).
Richard | Homepage | 07.01.07 - 2:59 am |
This is true. Caligari is still potent today, along with Nosferatu.
The most disturbing scene in any movie as far as I'm concerned- "Help me! Help me!" finale of the original version of "The Fly"...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0...h?
v=0qP81havHnE
It's been sluggish for me as well.
It's not being sluggish, but the yellow bar will announce new comments and then when I refresh there aren't any. I have to refresh 3 or 4 times before I finally see the comments. Just wondered if this was my problem alone.
grrr | 07.01.07 - 3:07 am | #
Does that with me sometimes...
It's not being sluggish, but the yellow bar will announce new comments and then when I refresh there aren't any.
I should have been clearer- that's what I meant by "sluggish". It's happening to me too.
Does that with me sometimes...
Thanks, Janeane. I won't fret about it, then.
Does anyone remember Trilogy of Terror? Tongue-in-cheek horror with Karloff, Rathbone, Price, and Lorre?
Is there something seriously wrong with Haloscan's refresh, or is it just me and my computer?
grrr
It's not your computer. You look at the code, and instead of calling a simple document.refresh method, Jeevan is actually posting a form on the refresh click. Not sure why.
Crooks and Liars's blog ditched Haloscan recently....
Jeevan is actually posting a form on the refresh click. Not sure why.
Odd. That's certainly not the shortest distance between two points, but thanks for pointing it out. The only time I ever checked out the code was when I wanted to see what the deal was with scroll troll scrubbing.
Is there something seriously wrong with Haloscan's refresh, or is it just me and my computer?
Its not you
Does anyone remember Trilogy of Terror? Tongue-in-cheek horror with Karloff, Rathbone, Price, and Lorre?
I saw it,but about 35 years ago!
Cheney would've been great in silents.
I saw it,but about 35 years ago!
I saw it first-run, too. I was a kid and I loved the scene where Peter Lorre disappeared in a flash of light during the duel between sorcerers, and Vincent Price dipped his finger into the red puddle that was all the was apparently left of Lorre, tasted it, and said "Raspberry jam!"
Haloscan still sucks...
Culture of TrÜth | Homepage | 07.01.07 - 3:17 am | #
He does remind you of a silent movie villian....
Cheney would've been great in silents.
Culture of TrÜth
The Hunchback of Notre Plame.
The Hunchback of Notre Plame.
Clever!
Night, all....
The Hunchback of Notre Plame.
or Hunchback of Notgivea Damne.
Crooks and Liars's blog ditched Haloscan recently....
It's becoming more and more ditchworthy as we speak. A few days ago, links to ads started popping up automatically if someone typed in certain names (Paris Hilton for example) and then you rolled your cursor over that text. At first, people were thinking that some nasty adware had been installed on their own browsers and that was source of the nuisance, but it was evidently a jeevan experiment into sticking ads on haloscan. Besides being supremely annoying, that shit was really slowing things down to a crawl. If anything was the last straw as far a haloscan goes, that should be it, if it gets adopted as a permanent feature.
Nighty night.
The most disturbing scene in any movie as far as I'm concerned- "Help me! Help me!" finale of the original version of "The Fly"...
REALLY creeps my wife out. She can't watch the movie.
The scenes where Hedison has the fly head are pretty weird, too.
Funny how less "graphic" that movie is than the remake, but much more memorable...
Funny how less "graphic" that movie is than the remake, but much more memorable...
Wasn't a lot of the extra horror due to the fact that we were younger and a lot more willing to suspend disbelief? The last time that really happened for me was with the original Alien, although the banquet room scene in Pan's Labyrinth creeped me out momentarily at a truly primal level.
The Hunchback of Notre Plame.
Clever!
grrr
17 insomniacs applaud...
Also perhaps that older films seem to demand that you suspend disbelief more easily, so you do, without special FX, or maybe because they didn't have it, they worked around it, which is superior. Or whatever.
I happen to think The FlY is one of the better films of the 80s, and yet also agree the original ending is too scary to watch.
The scariest movie I ever saw when I was a kid was The Haunting. There were no rubber monsters -- no scary makeup. I've seen it as an adult, and although I didn't get the same sweaty palms that I did when I was 13, it still held up. Not bad for a Shirley Jackson novel.
Something to keep you from sleeping.
The faces of age
http://www.markstoryphotography....y-
oldpeople.php
Or what you will look like sooner or later if you live long enough.
(It's a great collection of old faces)
If you want to watch a scary movie, I suggest Das Boot.
Terrifying because it's authentic. No need for supernatural mumbo-jumbo.
Another seriously scary movie is Farhenheit 911, because it's really scary that the President of the United States could be such a cowardly fucktard as that. Good thing it's fiction.
Um.
Oops, I'll come in again...
(It's a great collection of old faces)
Good faces, Doug. Thanks.
Going to bed now -- good night.
lets see for all 11 of you i thought Alien was scary, the all work on no play makes jack a dull boy in the shning, more recently i thoght teh sixth sense and blair witch were effective, no really
btw das boot on was on tonight, great movie
OK a reel a horror film:
Wannseekonferenz, Die
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0088377/
George W. Bush will offer up lobster and Atlantic breezes as he seeks to ease relations with Russia Sunday when he welcomes President Vladimir Putin at the Bush seaside vacation home here.
And Bush will dress like Gilligan. Cheney, the Skipper.
an orbital mechanics simulator
http://orbit.medphys.ucl.ac.uk/
And Bush will dress like Gilligan. Cheney, the Skipper.
Hmmm.
OK, so obviously Barbara Bush is Mrs. Howell, but unlovable and bitchy beyond the dreams of Leona Helmsley.
Does this mean that Pickles is Ginger?
Condiliar as Mary Ann?
Perhaps Poppy is Thurston Howell III?
No one smart enough to be the Professor in this scenario...
Does this mean that Pickles is Ginger?
No, it fuckin does NOT mean that Pickles is Ginger.
And man, it'll be great if it rains
GLASGOW (Reuters) - British police searched houses near Scotland's second city Glasgow on Sunday after what they described as a "terrorist" attack on its airport that they linked to two failed car bombings in London.
Betcha the bad guys are "blokes". They're always "blokes".
Romney's own campaign determined this to be an example of his steely resolve in crisis management.
Ann you said the media jumped on this unflattering point.
His campaign staff placed it in the record.
Yet your own persecution complex assigns this as a smear campaign.
He bragged about his dog shitting itself at 60mph on the roof of his car for 12 hours.
You see this as proof someone else is out to smear him, not as a major malfunction in Romney's own competency and psychological makeup.
I heard that he drove the car for another hour just to keep from scaring the kids.(/9-11)
Oven Mitt is, literally, dog shit now.
Too fucking bad, Oven Mitt.
LoafingOaf said...
Ronin: this post reminds me of Ann's contemptuous dismissal of Congressional hearings into the adulteration of pet food by Chinese companies.
Yeah, Prof. Althouse was extremely misguided in her mockery of the media coverage and hearings related to the ongoing pet food scandal.
She mocked it at the very moment pet owners were scambling to figure out what foods in our supermarkets were still safe, and were dependant on the media to get that info. I recall her suggesting that the media was being ridiculous to cover the story of "just a few" cats and dogs getting sick and dying.
Every day since has brought more revelations that have, as you point out, extended to a long list of poisonous, unsafe products for humans.
It's too bad Althouse's coldness towards pet lovers and her desire to look down on them caused her to not understand the seriousness of that story. All she could see was pet owners who loved their animals "too much."
But she had every right to comment on how ridiculous she, personally, found Senator Byrd for getting emotional while talking about how much his dog means to an old timer like himself.
Now we're presented with a Senator who idiotically strapped his dog to the roof of his car for a 12 hour car trip and thought this made him sound good. Althouse is worried dog lovers will think badly of him.
Well, I have every right to take this as one more indicator that Mitt Romney is a jack-ass, since only a huge jack-ass would even consider strapping his dog to the roof of his car for 12 hours, let alone actually doing it.
I'm still waiting for the summer monsoon rains. It's been getting above 100 for a few weeks.
The Exalted said...
Ann Althouse said...
How about the way they transport horses and cattle? It's not very pleasant, but we don't regard it with outrage. I'm sure some excrement emerges in the process.
uh, most people tend to treat their treasured pets differently than cattle.
but thanks for pointing out how commercial animals destined for slaughter are transported, it was so apropos!
The Exalted said...
also, ann, your insinuation that this story is a "smear" that was "planted" by the big bad liberal press is astoundingly absurd, even for your blog.
the story came from romney's family, who apparently, somehow, thought it reflected positively on the candidate. and it was reported in a massive love letter to romney in the boston globe that could have written by the romney campaign.
but again, thanks for trying.
...very hot today, clouds came through and flirted droplets, rained into the evening briefly...
Internet Ronin said...
Bissage: I paid a visit to the veterinarian today as well.It sounds like I took twice as many animals but only paid half as much as you.
Naturally, this subject came up. Strangely enough, the three licensed professionals there have discussed it. They all agree that they would never recommmend doing such a thing. "Dumb," "inhumane," and "unnecessary endangerment" are just a few of the terms used to describe this idea.
The dog jumped in a kennel on the roof of the car.
Romney was pushing for the world's record leaping dog with that one.
He got the pooch to do that trick every time.
Because Mitt linked it, this is proof of wise narrative.
Thanks for settling that Ann. Because Mitt said it, that solves it.
Mitt was for Irish Setters in Mass. before he was against them.
If he was running for a seat in the Weimar Republic he'd get a German Sheperd.(/next dog)
I thought it was Laura Brannigan...
Bigelow's Second Orbital Module Launches Into Space
http://www.space.com/
missionlaun...is2_update.html
Died of a brain thing @ age 47.
Bet that second module is the solution to NSA regulations... Vlad is visiting after all.
VIDEO: Israel Chooses Expansion and Oppression over Security Well, I've felt for many years, and have written incidentally, that the people who call themselves supporters of Israel are in reality supporters of Israel's moral degeneration and probably ultimate destruction. I mean, Israel can have security. In fact, that's been true for over 30 years. It has chosen instead expansion at the cost of security." -Noam Chomsky
Happy Canada Day!
This just in from Cliff Schecter:
McCain Returning To Baghdad For Another Stroll?
Yes, from what I am hearing, he is doing his publicity stunt this time over the 4th of July.
I wonder if they've already started sweeping locations, amassing gunships and diverting soldiers from their missions to prepare for his "casual stroll" in the marketplace?
And if Lindsay Graham is going, rug merchants beware. He is one helluva haggler. Just ask him.
'Up to 80 civilians dead' after US air strikes in Afghanistan
Air strikes in the British-controlled Helmand province of Afghanistan may have killed civilians, coalition troops said yesterday as local people claimed that between 50 and 80 people, many of them women and children, had died.
In the latest of a series of attacks causing significant civilian casualties in recent weeks, more than 200 were killed by coalition troops in Afghanistan in June, far more than are believed to have been killed by Taliban militants.
Don't know why, but I woke up furious at w fishing while the news was covering the car bomb in Glasgow. What a dick.
# killed in British "terror" attacks: 0
# killed in US attacks on civillians in Afghanistan: 200
Guess which leads the news.
Khamenei gives ringing endorsement of Akmaydjinedjad
1300 centrifuges now, 3000 by the end of July (!)
Iran vows to continue nuclear escalation
With those centrifuges;
what kind of fuel is being refined, and from what source?
How much can be refined per centrifuge, and in what period?
how much is needed for even one device?
How many hours can those centrifuges be ran before an overhaul?
How long does that take?
And, so what?
Take the Canadian citizenship test. 19 questions all about Canada, which most Canadians fail. (I got 100%, tho.)
I saw numbers being flung around, and was wondering if there was any more comprehension, than a copy and paste from a wingnut source.
I don't think there is from this troll-bot.
Outstanding "must read" from McClatchy:
Was campaigning against voter fraud a Republican ploy?
That strategy, which presidential adviser Karl Rove alluded to in an April 2006 speech to the Republican National Lawyers Association, sought to scrutinize voter registration records, win passage of tougher ID laws and challenge the legitimacy of voters considered likely to vote Democratic.
McClatchy Newspapers has found that this election strategy was active on at least three fronts:
- Tax-exempt groups such as the American Center and the Lawyers Association were deployed in battleground states to press for restrictive ID laws and oversee balloting.
- The Justice Department’s Civil Rights Division turned traditional voting rights enforcement upside down with legal policies that narrowed rather than protected the rights of minorities.
- The White House and the Justice Department encouraged selected U.S. attorneys to bring voter fraud prosecutions, despite studies showing that election fraud isn't a widespread problem.
Nowhere was the breadth of these actions more obvious than at the American Center for Voting Rights and its legislative fund.
Public records show that the two nonprofits were active in at least nine states. They hired high-priced lawyers to write court briefs, issued news releases declaring key cities "hot spots" for voter fraud and hired lobbyists in Missouri and Pennsylvania to win support for photo ID laws. In each of those states, the center released polls that it claimed found that minorities prefer tougher ID laws.
read the rest!
Oh great, another of Jim Steinman's overblown Wagnerian rock-operas. Now I'm going to have this stuck in my head all day.
Good morning.
I took the Canada test and got 14/19 right. Which surprised me, because I think I know next to nothing about Canada.
morning, Marcellina. You can come live here anytime.
Something weird is happening-- I've been thinking of 22 degrees as "hot."
at the Bush seaside vacation home here.
watching the video of chimpy and poppy in the speedboat on the news last nite, and for some reason the godfather II scene where fredo goes fishing came to mind. if only.
morning all.
afternoon/morning moonbats
With that outlook, Moe, it might be a pretty uncomfortable summer ahead.
The English-language news reporter on the radio this morning said, If Putin's first visit with Bush was a "getting to know you" experience, then this current visit to Maine will be "trying to understand you."
The Inuit elders are freaking out because they're now regularly getting summer temperatures in the 20s. Of course they heat their homes to about 20, but they don't know how to talk about the outdoor temps-- listening to the radio the other day, they were confusing "dry heat" and "humidity."
Morning, rational people.
'Every civilian dead means five new Taliban,'
Heh
What was Mitt doing coming to Ontario anyway?
"The Inuit elders are freaking out because they're now regularly getting summer temperatures in the 20"
20C or 20F?
20 C, of course.
Smokers across England have sparked up at work and in the pub for the last time as the ban on smoking in enclosed public places begins.
The new law, which came into effect at 0600 BST, is intended to cut deaths from second-hand smoke.
Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland already have similar bans in place.
Many venues held farewell events for the final night of smoking on Saturday, while local authorities are preparing to enforce the ban.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/62.../uk/
6258034.stm
It's been uncharacteristically hot for this time of year in SoCal as well, Moe.
We never really got our June Gloom, and at this point it looks like a long, hot summer.
Is a summer daily high of 68F that hot of a temp for their area?
its rain here, we're already in July and the weather is not warm and sunny
The last week or so it's been hotter in Iqaluit than in Halifax. We get those moderating open temps here, and lots of fog. I guess not so much up there.
Those poor Brits, all on high terror alert and can't even have a cigarettte to calm the nerves.
I meant, moderating "ocean" temps.
Yea, they've always gotten a few days in the 20s, but now it's happening quite often.
Currently 27 C in Innsbruck. Not so bad.
The forecast for the next few days in Iqaluit. Highest it gets is 11.
current temp in Devizes is a cloudy 16°C (60°F)
Ah, but Goose Bay will get up to 24 on Thursday. Halifax will be just 17.
It's hot here in the North Carolina mountains. We have been running 7-15 degrees above average for three weeks now.
Yesterday the high in Tucson was 109F/43C.
Cooler further in the desert, where I live;
102F/39C
Britain will not yield despite a sustained threat from people associated with al-Qaeda, Gordon Brown has said after three car bomb attacks in the UK.
The prime minister was speaking to the BBC after Saturday's attack on Glasgow Airport was linked to the two car bombs found in London's West End on Friday.
He said: "We will not allow anyone to undermine our British way of life."
Police are now holding four people over the attack on the airport and are searching houses near Glasgow.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/62.../uk/
6258062.stm
More on creationism gaining a foothold in Germany:
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"We will not allow anyone to undermine our British way of life."
[insert joke here]
More on creationism gaining a foothold in Germany:
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Marcellina
Oh, boy...
Iraq's prime minister has condemned a US raid on Baghdad's Sadr City which left 26 people dead.
Nouri al-Maliki said the military operations were "conducted without prior approval from the Iraqi military command".
He has demanded an explanation from the US authorities and said anyone who breeches military orders will face an investigation.
Residents accused American troops of killing eight civilians in their homes and "firing wildly" during the raid in the mainly Shia district early on Saturday morning.
http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/
...ADFC3D1964F.htm
"We will not allow anyone to undermine our British way of life."
Except for smoking in pubs, which is right out.
smoking in pubs is not a British value
I am happy the smoking ban is in place, can go to pubs now and not come back smelling like an ash tray.
The British way of life is being on CCTV afraid you will be caught smoking.
I was thinking more in the kippers and sexless marriage vein.
The British way of life is being on CCTV afraid you will be caught smoking.
My son made this comment to me last week;
"Wasn't George Orwell British, and haven't the British people read him? Snort!"
when I was in Wales, where the ban had been put in place in May, it was so nice going out to a club and you could actually see in front of you.
its wonderful coming home and ones hair not smelling of smoke.
so yeah I am overjoyed!
We have a cafeteria at my workplace, and when it was renovated three years ago, a ventilation system was installed in the ceiling, on the idea that the smoke would get sucked up and out of the room. Smoking section in the back but no dividing wall. It never worked because 80% of the non-smokers complained about the draft, so they'd shut it off, and the whole place stinks every night of cigarettes and french fries.
Moon, I've lived in four jurisidictions here in North America as they've implemented smoking bans in bars. Here's what happens: for a year, people bitch and moan about it. In more rednecky locales, some yahoo thinks he is the first to think of it and puts up some legal resistance, but ultimately fails. Otherwise, smokers learn how to create little mini-alternative cultures on the sidewalk (even here in cold Canada). After a year, nobody says anything.
Oh, and that old canard about hurting business. Not true. Lots of non-smokers start going to bars or stay in them longer. And say what they will, the smokers keep going to bars too.
I look forward to Austria doing the same, except I'm afraid all the dancers in our theater will have nervous breakdowns.
Moe Szyslak | Homepage | 07.01.07 - 7:53 am | #
Indeed, the ban has worked fine in N Ireland, Scotland and Wales, England shouldn't be any different.
Oh, and that old canard about hurting business. Not true. Lots of non-smokers start going to bars or stay in them longer. And say what they will, the smokers keep going to bars too.
Moe Szyslak
Exactly right, Moe.
I'm a smoker, and I've adjusted quite nicely to what now amounts to no smoking indoors anywhere but at home.
It's really not a big deal, and frankly, I think it was the right move.
I agree with the smoking ban. I was being snarky about the cameras though.
Yup, I'm a smoker too and don't mind the ban at all. I will skip the extra drink at a restaurant however. But I can't see that it harmed NY at all. Frankly, I feel weird now in places where there isn't a smoking ban.
Well, it's a beautiful Canada Day. I'm going to garden all day, then watch the fireworks. Here's a little Canada Day essay from Some Guy, all about burning down the White House.
What has bothered me about public smoking is the universally accepted idea that one can throw a used butt on the sidewalk. A tissue or a gum wrapper will draw looks and criticism, and rightly so. But why are cigarette butts OK?
But why are cigarette butts OK?
Marcellina
For the same reason spitting is.
I'm outtahere. See ya'all later.
Moon, I haven't read the latest on the Scottish/London bomb plots. Have your police investigators definitely linked the incidents and are they also saying that al Qaeda is behind the plot?
If Al Qaeda was behind it, these attacks would have been more successful. There are dozens of bombs every day being built in Iraq that are more effective.
those 2 bomb plots stink of amateurish work - real terrorist, in my mind spend a lot of time planning and both 'bombs' didn't even sound like they would work other than catch fire...i dunno....stinks to me of the New Jersey 'terrisists' and the JFK 'terrorists'.
if 'al qaeda' teaches it's people anything, is that the 'bomb' has to work, otherwise what's the point?
OMG trifecta, did we both tap into the same universal mind?
fizzy beverage of your choice!
Sheets
coke. I need caffeine.
And a pleasant good morning to all you fine folks.
I'm posting from inside a shrubbery in Ann Althouse's garden, in case you were wondering.
another one o' those overwrought, overproduced Jim Steinman pieces that was so big in the 80's
like that
Drunk wedding parties love this song, usually really late in the reception. Along with Purple Rain.
成田 風俗
西船橋の風俗
高収入
いつも思うけど風俗って最高ですよ！やっとグリ帰ってきました…
今回も短いようで長かった…
グリないとさみしいし
友達のみんないつもながらすみません
デリヘルでからまた復活です(^o^)／
よろしくです
千葉風俗
風俗
高収入男子求人
風俗べりーナイス夏ですね
海ですね
ﾋﾞｷﾆですね
デリヘルで競馬で勝ったとゆぅ人から服代をいただきました｡
月初めからツイてるぁたし(･ε･ｩﾌｯ
そんなこんなで本日から本気でﾀﾞｲｴｯﾄを始めたいと思っています｡
冷凍庫に眠っているｱｲﾂを食べてから
渋谷 風俗
新宿 風俗
錦糸町 風俗
風俗すばらしいよ中体連やなあ
いきたくないわあ
でもいってくる
３年がんばってえ←
風俗で中体連ある部活も
がんばってきて～
横浜で風俗
町田 風俗
千葉と西船橋の風俗
風俗狂時代
土曜日、三人でデートしてきました
実際はデートというか、お出かけですね
サービス業の彼は、土日祝は休めない状況
ですが、6月のシフト作成時
シフト管理してるチーフの爺ちゃんに、めっちゃお願いしました。
爺ちゃんは、繁忙期前に何を言ってるんだと、なかなか休みをくれませんでしたが
『坊を遊びに連れていきたいって言ってくれてるんです』
と、風俗嬢が、何故みっつんが土曜休みが欲しいか、話しました。
二人が付き合ってる事を知っている爺ちゃんは、それならと、閑散期さえ取れない土曜休みをくれたのです
事後報告しなければいけない特典つきですが(笑
さて
今まで、お出かけといえば、食事に行く以外でいえば、夜に桜と藤を見に行ったくらい。
そういや、去年一度、大人チームでちょっとデートした事がありましたが、当時付き合ってるのを知らなかった
チーフと坊には内緒です
今回は、昼間のお出かけです
行く場所やプラン等、あえて、みっつんに決めてもらいました
風俗嬢が決めちゃったらつまらないから
坊は体を動かす事が好き、走り回る事が好きだと、前から伝えていたので、行き先は広い公園
色々調べてくれて、移動時間など考慮した結果
名古屋にある『とだがわ緑地』に決定
朝、みっつんので一緒に弁当を作りました。
色々分担しながら作って、楽しかった
みっつんが、厚焼き卵を作ってくれていたのですが、ひっくり返す時、勢いあまって宙を舞い、床に着地
ゲームに夢中になってた坊も、慌てて見に来て、皆で笑いころげました
それから、ゆっくり出発
曇り空でしたが、ちょうど良い気候でした
着いてすぐ、休憩所でおやつと弁当を少し食べた
満足した坊は、ピュ～と、サッカーを持って芝生へ
でも、不安なのか寂しくなったのか、すぐ戻ってきて皆で片付けをしてから、芝生へGO
坊は、みっつんとサッカーを楽しんでました
風俗嬢は、体がなかなか動かなかったので、みっつんが相手をしてくれてました
二人共、汗だくで楽しくサッカーをする姿を見て、風俗嬢も参戦
坊は、パスというより、シュートでボールを送ってくるので、ついていくのにかなり必死なんだけど…
みっつんは、坊のシュートを上手く受け、パス
こうやって遊ぶのは、子供の頃くらいだから、上手くできるかな～って言ってたワリには、意外に上手でビック
リ
坊も、自分のシュートをすぐ受けて、パスをくれるので喜んでました
売店でかき氷を買ってきてクールダウン
じゃんけんの、あっちむいてホイをした
坊が
『負けた人は走って近くの木を一周してくる』
というルールをつくり、かなり盛り上がりました
それから、子供ゾーンに向かい、坊は遊具で遊んだ
水で遊べるスペースもあり、もちろん坊もジャブジャブ、バシャバシャ
大人チームは、着替えやタオルがなく水に入れませんでした
坊を見守りながら
『来年は用意して来ようね』
と、一瞬ほんわかラブラブ
子供の手前、会話だけラブラブですが
五時間くらい遊んで、帰
風俗求人
デリヘル
川崎 風俗 かくよ！
とりあえず
ノリノリで
アンさんで
『六本木心中』
待っててアンさん。
☆☆☆☆☆☆☆
Ｌ．Ａはまだ遠おし（笑）バイビ～～～～～
鶯谷デリヘル
京都風俗求人
大阪風俗求人
土日の休みでだいぶリフレッシュしたデリヘルでは
あいにくの雨による最高出力まで上がらず。
また風俗で頑張ります。
ちなみに土日ではマンモスの写真を撮ってたり、
近所の公園で凧揚げをしてました。
横浜風俗
西船橋風俗
船橋 風俗
「藤井リナ、へそ出し始球式！選手も釘付け？」のニュースについて
買ってもらった２７万の分割リングはまだはめてるのか？
池袋の風俗
風俗情報
五反田 風俗
思い出しました！！
さっき何か書こうとしたんですよね！
え－と、そうです！
バナナです！
今、庭でバナナ育てるんですよ！
いとこが沖縄からバナナのお土産をくれましてね！
植えたんですよ！
とても大きくなりました！
おかげで風俗嬢が作ったピピの墓が占領されてしまいましたよ…
あ、写メありますよ！
とても大きいです
池袋の風俗
西川口 風俗
うそーん。ほんとーん？デリヘルってなに？ 卵の安売りしてるからって買い物に出たら
まぁまぁ次から次とお店まわっちゃった
除湿機何年も前から悩んでて
デリヘルでやっとこさ買いやした
溜まる水を見てると除湿されてる気がするけど…
効果は分かりません
夕方美鈴に修学旅行に
って妹家族が
ド派手なパンツと女の子らしいセットを持ってきてくれた
あんがちょ～
その時に携帯を忘れたお方がいらっしゃいまして
届けに行ったら気がついてなかったし(笑
デリヘルでも楽しい１日でしたん
風俗では大樹の体育大会
晴れるかな～
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