I have a wide slog.
Larry Craig |
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01.06.08 - 11:58 pm | #
I know, I know, it's very tiring to deal with the tease that the Sibel Edmonds case has become. And, yeah, all the most dodgy bloggers cling to it and it's never been clear if there was any there there but...but...the Sunday Times UK article based on Edmonds is worth reading a couple times. It looks like there's enough there there to keep everyone busy. Amazing.
Tonight: "I am the only one here who has had to face an Islamic terrorist attack. I was right at the center of it," said the former New York City mayor… "and it gives a good indication that I know how to handle what the terrorist will be throwing at us..."
His statement means that Gene Shalit is also qualified to be President
WalterNeff, Naked-American |
Homepage |
01.07.08 - 12:10 am | #
ich bin ein berliner!!
Duane V |
01.07.08 - 12:10 am | #
pretty funny. it's like he does not trust himself not to break his own pledge so is going to get the hell out of here until tuesday. heh.
sebs |
01.07.08 - 12:10 am | #
arbeit macht frei!!
Duane V |
01.07.08 - 12:11 am | #
MIchael O'Hanlon is reason enough to vote against Clinton.
Jim, Collieresque |
01.07.08 - 12:12 am | #
sebs,
If he had any balls he go for it.
hadenough |
01.07.08 - 12:12 am | #
We have a Manning coming to Tampa on Sunday.
Unfortunately for the Giants, it's not Peyton. Or Danny, for that matter.
Four sacks and three INTs by the Bucs defense. That's my prediction and I'm sticking to it.
Sinfonian, fully endorsed
Ah, Sinfonian...After Osi and Michael tap dance all over Garcia's head, I think you might be whistling a different tune..
G-Men 27, Bucs 13.
Duane V | 01.04.08 - 12:12 am | #
Duane V |
01.07.08 - 12:12 am | #
If I ever become president of the universe I plan to:
(1) outlaw umlauds, tildes, and all those weird Euro-chararacters (like the o with the line through it) that I can't type with a single stroke
(2) force the French to write their entire language phonetically
(3) limit the Spanish and English to three names per person
Tralfaz |
01.07.08 - 12:12 am | #
ich bin ein berliner!! - Duane V
aww, ya big creampuff.
bo |
01.07.08 - 12:13 am | #
Einstein.
Richard |
Homepage |
01.07.08 - 12:13 am | #
"MIchael O'Hanlon is reason enough to vote against Clinton.
Jim, Collieresque"
Sorry, Duane. No way the Bucs D gives up 27 points. (The Carolina game last week was all backups.) And Garcia is a known Giant killer ... besides which, he's mobile enough to avoid the rush if the O-line breaks down.
Oh, and by the way, the Giants lost three starters to injury in the New England game, including a safety (which means Garcia and Galloway will pick apart the Giants' secondary) and the center (which means Eli's spending a lot of time on his ass).
Sinfonian, fully endorsed | Homepage | 01.04.08 - 12:21 am |
"I am the only one here who has had to face an Islamic terrorist attack. I was right at the center of it," said the former New York City mayor… "and it gives a good indication that I know how to handle what the terrorist will be throwing at us..."
Good God he's pathetic.
sdf (Stu), Doddmaniac |
Homepage |
01.07.08 - 12:15 am | #
new hampshire just passed a law that the final 48 hours of campaigning will be conducted in 'old' german...
ziccomarvelo |
01.07.08 - 12:15 am | #
O'Hanlon's bio with that WSJ article
Mr. O'Hanlon is a senior fellow at the Brookings Institution. He advised Hillary Clinton until last summer, when his support for the surge led to a cutting of ties by mutual consent.
P O'Neill |
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01.07.08 - 12:15 am | #
Why is that?
hadenough
Cause he's a warmongering fucking douchebag, pro-Bush polemicist, and a member of her foreign policy advisory committee. The people a president appoints, trusts, and listens to, these things actually matter.
"I am the only one here who has had to face an Islamic terrorist attack. I was right at the center of it," said the former New York City mayor… "and it gives a good indication that I know how to handle what the terrorist will be throwing at us..."
"And I brought down the third plane with my bare teeth. Did you know that?"
ziccomarvelo |
01.07.08 - 12:16 am | #
Good ol' Rudy! A city of one!
Duane V |
01.07.08 - 12:16 am | #
I've seen Kraftwerk live, but they didn't go five hours. Good on them for crankin it up a notch.
MikeJ |
01.07.08 - 12:17 am | #
hillarymentum!!!
ziccomarvelo |
01.07.08 - 12:18 am | #
Cause he's a warmongering fucking douchebag, pro-Bush polemicist, and a member of her foreign policy advisory committee. The people a president appoints, trusts, and listens to, these things actually matter
But is it really O'Hanlon's fault the presnit surrounds himself with yes - men?
Duane V |
01.07.08 - 12:18 am | #
now I have a mental image of Giuliani atop the Empire State Building a la King Kong...
nick carraway |
01.07.08 - 12:18 am | #
But that's not Kennedy during the primaries.
WalterNeff, Naked-American |
Homepage |
01.07.08 - 12:18 am | #
Evening batses.
Did I hear that Kraftwerk is doing a Falco Revival in Philly tomorrow?
David (Austin Tx) |
Homepage |
01.07.08 - 12:18 am | #
But is it really O'Hanlon's fault the presnit surrounds himself with yes - men?
Duane V |
????
No, but it's Clinton's fault if she hires people like Michael O'Hanlon and Jack Keane.
Jim, Collieresque |
01.07.08 - 12:19 am | #
"nd it gives a good indication that I know how to handle what the terrorist will be throwing at us...""
I guess Rudy has to up the intensity.
Wait till he starts screaming 18/22!!!
EkCenTriK |
01.07.08 - 12:19 am | #
now I have a mental image of Giuliani atop the Empire State Building a la King Kong...
nick carraway | 01.07.08 - 12:18 am | #
Giuliani's next ad will have him as King Kong, watch....
Janeane The Acerbic Goblin |
01.07.08 - 12:19 am | #
I've seen Kraftwerk live, but they didn't go five hours. Good on them for crankin it up a notch.
MikeJ |
And President Hillary Clinton will do no worse than GW Bush. Of that we can be sure.
That is such a low bar to aim for.
David (Austin Tx) |
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01.07.08 - 12:22 am | #
I heard a guy, don't know who he was, quoted on the radio this AM saying (roughly), "Obama has many of the best parts of Abraham Lincoln, Martin Luther King and John Fitzgerald Kennedy", and I thought "oh fuck Obama needs to give his supporters tranquilizers, this is too much"
and then the penny dropped and I realized the guy had no idea what else he was saying... and the point stands. Rhetorical overkill, indeed.
nick carraway |
01.07.08 - 12:22 am | #
And President Hillary Clinton will do no worse than GW Bush. Of that we can be sure.
Duane V | 01.07.08 - 12:21 am | #
great minds think alike!
rob peter to pay paul!
obladi olblada life goes on!
ziccomarvelo |
01.07.08 - 12:22 am | #
I can see Giuliani now, beating his chest atop building seven....
Duane V |
01.07.08 - 12:23 am | #
No, but it's Clinton's fault if she hires people like Michael O'Hanlon and Jack Keane.
Jim, Collieresque | 01.07.08 - 12:19 am | #
one cannot be a candidate of change without those people on the team...
Syd B |
Homepage |
01.07.08 - 12:23 am | #
And President Hillary Clinton will do no worse than GW Bush. Of that we can be sure.
Duane V | 01.07.08 - 12:21 am | #
Oh joy.
steve simels |
Homepage |
01.07.08 - 12:23 am | #
obama is impressive as hell.
and im not an obama supporter.
but make no mistake, the guy radiates an elegance which is captivating.
ziccomarvelo |
01.07.08 - 12:24 am | #
Duane V | 01.07.08 - 12:23 am | #
Giuliani has amazing, Superman like powers....
The MSM told me so...
Janeane The Acerbic Goblin |
01.07.08 - 12:24 am | #
barack obama can fly.
Atrios |
01.07.08 - 12:24 am | #
"listening to people belt out German"
Why not just listen to your the Father of the Liberal Ideology do it. There's some archival tapes somewhere, I'm sure.
pud |
Homepage |
01.07.08 - 12:24 am | #
I looked up fellow on wiki: what horseshit.
WalterNeff, Naked-American |
Homepage |
01.07.08 - 12:24 am | #
.Jim, Collieresque,
You sound a little angry... any way you should try reading links you post before you post them.
after your remarks about Edwards' lips being stained with Obama's jizz last night, I really don't think you're in a position to criticize anyone's "tone" (don't know how far down in the bottle of Popov you were when you posted that, so I thought I'd refresh your memory).
Unfortunately Hillary doesn't get to pick people that want to support her.
hadenough
True. I suspect she'd get better paratrolls if she did.
Jim, Collieresque |
01.07.08 - 12:24 am | #
And President Hillary Clinton will do no worse than GW Bush. Of that we can be sure.
Oh joy.
steve simels
Of course, on the foreign policy front, there's every reason to believe she'd do no better, either...
Duane V |
01.07.08 - 12:24 am | #
Barack Obama broke the Enigma code, the Zodiac's cryptograms, and knows the Coca-Cola recipe.
WalterNeff, Naked-American |
Homepage |
01.07.08 - 12:25 am | #
Of course, on the foreign policy front, there's every reason to believe she'd do no better, either...
Duane V | 01.07.08 - 12:24 am | #
Eye Ran to Ayn Rand
ziccomarvelo |
01.07.08 - 12:26 am | #
Hillary will reach out to John Bolton next in another effort to alienate most of America and to reach out to the 23 percenters...
Janeane The Acerbic Goblin |
01.07.08 - 12:26 am | #
how someone as stupid as pud can navigate the internets to not only end up here but also post irrelevant links is beyond me...
nick carraway |
01.07.08 - 12:26 am | #
I thought that was Reagan, the world's first superhero.
Janeane The Acerbic Goblin |
01.07.08 - 12:26 am | #
barack obama can fly.
Atrios
He's MAGICAL, with the oratory skills of MLK and JFK all rolled into one!
Duane V |
01.07.08 - 12:27 am | #
jelly beans are rather sickening after the first 30 or so
ziccomarvelo |
01.07.08 - 12:27 am | #
Ronald Reagan is still alive and assembling his zombie robot army in the bowels of Hoover Dam
WalterNeff, Naked-American |
Homepage |
01.07.08 - 12:27 am | #
Life without my meds is so much more interesting.
ziccomarvelo |
01.07.08 - 12:28 am | #
If it's the Ring Cycle, don't get your hopes up.
Roxanne |
Homepage |
01.07.08 - 12:28 am | #
"True. I suspect she'd get better paratrolls if she did.
Jim, Collieresque "
Ah you liked that edwards obama slam. Me to.
Anyway keep trying. I'm sure you have a million other reasons just as 'good' as that one to hate a possible dem nom for president.
hadenough |
01.07.08 - 12:28 am | #
The MSM told me so...
Janeane The Acerbic Goblin | 01.07.08 - 12:24 am
I particularly enjoy his superhuman lisp, bad teeth, and questionable ethics.
Duane V |
01.07.08 - 12:28 am | #
with chunks of concrete stuck to wet hair and tape-loops of jimmy cagney blasting through the labyrinth underground
ziccomarvelo |
01.07.08 - 12:28 am | #
I dunno about Barack, but I watched his speech after Iowa and god damn it if I didn't start crying. The man can talk.
He's barely my #3. But there's something about the speeches.
Ali |
Homepage |
01.07.08 - 12:29 am | #
The Ring Cycle: I liked the first one with Naomi Watts where the horse fell off the Washington State Ferry
WalterNeff, Naked-American |
Homepage |
01.07.08 - 12:29 am | #
and I thought "oh fuck Obama needs to give his supporters tranquilizers, this is too much"
Yup. I have to keep reminding myself that neither Obama nor Clinton are responsible for the cultists they attract
Jim, Collieresque |
01.07.08 - 12:29 am | #
Barack Obama broke the Enigma code, the Zodiac's cryptograms, and knows the Coca-Cola recipe.
WalterNeff, Naked-American | Homepage | 01.07.08 - 12:25 am | #
he is the greatest thing since howard dean
Syd B |
Homepage |
01.07.08 - 12:29 am | #
Life without my meds is so much more interesting.
ziccomarvelo | 01.07.08 - 12:28 am | #
thank you. next time I need ibuprophim I'll remember this.
ziccomarvelo |
01.07.08 - 12:30 am | #
Ali | Homepage | 01.07.08 - 12:29 am | #
Obama's speeches are very stirring, even to this cynical, acerbic goblin....
Janeane The Acerbic Goblin |
01.07.08 - 12:31 am | #
Why not just listen to your the Father of the Liberal Ideology do it. There's some archival tapes somewhere, I'm sure.
pud | Homepage | 01.07.08 - 12:24 am | #
To which this jewboy says -- fuck you, asshole.
steve simels |
Homepage |
01.07.08 - 12:31 am | #
I sticky tape for walrus sunrise under El Paso! Blue Yokohama!
ziccomarvelo |
01.07.08 - 12:31 am | #
I got an email today from a Republican collegue (and a 24 percenter) who saw Obama speech - said he would not only be the next Prez but would likely be a good one.
WalterNeff, Naked-American |
Homepage |
01.07.08 - 12:32 am | #
Ali | Homepage | 01.07.08 - 12:29 am | #
Obama's speeches are very stirring, even to this cynical, acerbic goblin....
Janeane The Acerbic Goblin | 01.07.08 - 12:31 am | #
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my feelings exactly even thought I'm not convinced he has the authentic progressive views of kuchinich.
very stirring speaker
ziccomarvelo |
01.07.08 - 12:32 am | #
Fact is, Obama's a good speaker, and he appeals to something in the listener other than naked greed, lust for power, fear or revenge. A lot of folk listen to such a message, well presented, and want to believe it.
ProfWombat |
01.07.08 - 12:32 am | #
I think Obama gives Republicans an "out" for supporting the war and Bush to begin with.
Roxanne |
Homepage |
01.07.08 - 12:33 am | #
I sticky tape for walrus sunrise under El Paso! Blue Yokohama!
ziccomarvelo | 01.07.08 - 12:31 am | #
how groovy.
i have an admirer.
maybe its hunter thompson's ghost.
ziccomarvelo |
01.07.08 - 12:33 am | #
If Barack actually did something other than speak in vague airy platitudes, I might actually support his candidacy. Of course, he'd also have to change the thinly - veiled appeals to corporatists eyeing the social security trust fund, and homophobes..
On second thought, GO EDWARDS!!
Duane V |
01.07.08 - 12:33 am | #
On second thought, GO EDWARDS!!
Duane V | 01.07.08 - 12:33 am | #
I like Howard Dean Sausages
WalterNeff, Naked-American |
Homepage |
01.07.08 - 12:34 am | #
while i support edwards, i like obama because he is poised to whip the shit out of clinton
Syd B |
Homepage |
01.07.08 - 12:35 am | #
while i support edwards, i like obama because he is poised to whip the shit out of clinton
Syd B | Homepage | 01.07.08 - 12:35 am | #
heh.
it's a joy to behold but I do hope edwards ends up (somehow????) with the nomination.
ziccomarvelo |
01.07.08 - 12:36 am | #
Me, I'd like to see the bastards fought, rather than reconciled with, and Edwards is talking such a line more than the others. But Obama's making some noises to the effect that he'd do the right thing, on the economy and the war.
ProfWombat |
01.07.08 - 12:36 am | #
well goodnight to you all but especially to my doppelganger wherever you are
ziccomarvelo |
01.07.08 - 12:37 am | #
Has it occured to anyone that if Hillary gets the nomination in Denver this summer she will have been in perpetual campaign mode for two and a half consecutive years?
And how many votes had she not attended because of that?
jurassicpork |
Homepage |
01.07.08 - 12:37 am | #
Jim, Collieresque-- but the difference is Obama has been trying to build a cult of personality to get around the Democratic organization.
People like to laugh about how badly HC did in Iowa, but from what I saw she did well enough with the "base"... it will be interesting to see how long his newly acquired followers self-identify as 'democrats'.
nick carraway |
01.07.08 - 12:37 am | #
while i support edwards, i like obama because he is poised to whip the shit out of clinton
Syd B |
I want to see the Clintonistas ignore the real threat to a Hillary presidency and go nuclear against Obama, just because of the backlash that will bring them. Then Obama will retaliate, and Edwards will simply rise above the fray....
Duane V |
01.07.08 - 12:38 am | #
{{{ProfWombat!!!}}}
I could use a lovely aperitif on this cold, wet, blustery night.
I know, you're laughing!
Sallyh, Grandmere Poissonniere |
01.07.08 - 12:38 am | #
They're all starting to push each other to a better defined leftish position, for which I am grateful...
ProfWombat |
01.07.08 - 12:39 am | #
Janeane, you rawk!
Duane V |
01.07.08 - 12:39 am | #
John Edwards/Blake Edwards '08
Gilly Gonzylon |
01.07.08 - 12:39 am | #
Edwards/Obama'08!!
Duane V |
01.07.08 - 12:40 am | #
I'm for Edwards too, but there's the tiniest chance he might not get the nomination.
If Obama wins, I hope he steals all of John Edwards' best ideas and runs with them. Or brings him into the cabinet in some capacity.
Ali |
Homepage |
01.07.08 - 12:40 am | #
sallyh! I could use a snuggle tonight, for no apparent reason, in addition to the aperitif. In nay case, it's always inspiring to me how you Southern Californians brave winter's fiercenesses...
ProfWombat |
01.07.08 - 12:40 am | #
Still looking for Sinfonian...
Duane V |
01.07.08 - 12:41 am | #
In nay case, it's always inspiring to me how you Southern Californians brave winter's fiercenesses...
ProfWombat | 01.07.08 - 12:40 am | #
It's in the low 50s, and we're breaking out the fur!
Gilly Gonzylon |
01.07.08 - 12:41 am | #
I'm for Edwards too, but there's the tiniest chance he might not get the nomination.
If Obama wins, I hope he steals all of John Edwards' best ideas and runs with them. Or brings him into the cabinet in some capacity.
Ali | Homepage | 01.07.08 - 12:40 am | #
tiny chance he might *not* get the nomination?
Karl LaFong |
01.07.08 - 12:42 am | #
I'm just glad to see Hillary not being "inevitable" but she will not be out of contention until after "Super Tuesday".
Personally I like Edwards' fire and am impressed with Obama (despite the faux right wing talking points people attribute to him) but frankly don't know which I will support in the caucus.
The Old Man From Scene 24 |
Homepage |
01.07.08 - 12:42 am | #
ProfWombat--get over here, you cuddly marsupial
(Grabs faux mink blanket to share)
Sallyh, Grandmere Poissonniere |
01.07.08 - 12:42 am | #
while i support edwards, i like obama because he is poised to whip the shit out of clinton
Syd B |
I want to see the Clintonistas ignore the real threat to a Hillary presidency and go nuclear against Obama, just because of the backlash that will bring them. Then Obama will retaliate, and Edwards will simply rise above the fray....
Duane V | 01.07.08 - 12:38 am | #
i think the clinton camp still has a bomb or two to throw at obama
their attack on his voting record was too weak - there has to be something else in the arsenal
but when do they push the button?
Syd B |
Homepage |
01.07.08 - 12:42 am | #
In nay case, it's always inspiring to me how you Southern Californians brave winter's fiercenesses...
tee hee
The Old Man From Scene 24 |
Homepage |
01.07.08 - 12:43 am | #
they can't attack obama without seeming to be 'negative.'
what a box he's got them in.
Karl LaFong |
01.07.08 - 12:43 am | #
LaFong: your nym makes me recall a night of fierce storm in the Greater Antilles...
ProfWombat |
01.07.08 - 12:43 am | #
food for thought:
my otherwise-almost-always Republican mother and stepfather both said they could vote for Obama.
r€nato, like a virgin |
Homepage |
01.07.08 - 12:43 am | #
We have a Manning coming to Tampa on Sunday.
Unfortunately for the Giants, it's not Peyton. Or Danny, for that matter.
Four sacks and three INTs by the Bucs defense. That's my prediction and I'm sticking to it.
Sinfonian, fully endorsed
Ah, Sinfonian...After Osi and Michael tap dance all over Garcia's head, I think you might be whistling a different tune..
G-Men 27, Bucs 13.
Duane V | 01.04.08 - 12:12 am | #
Duane V |
01.07.08 - 12:43 am | #
A little sarcasm, Karl LaFong. Or, just trying to keep my hopes up.
Ali |
Homepage |
01.07.08 - 12:43 am | #
"And how many votes had she not attended because of that?
jurassicpork"
Was that irony? Like sure the candidate with several state chairs and a national co-chair that are lobbyists will get rid of lobbyists? Was that what that was? Just case: Guess whch dem candidate that is also a senator missed the most votes
hadenough |
01.07.08 - 12:44 am | #
UncleBlodge! How are you?
Would anyone care for some homemade cinnamon bread?
Sallyh, Grandmere Poissonniere |
01.07.08 - 12:44 am | #
I want to see the Clintonistas ignore the real threat to a Hillary presidency and go nuclear against Obama, just because of the backlash that will bring them. Then Obama will retaliate, and Edwards will simply rise above the fray....
Duane V
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I want to see them lose. I prefer to Obama, but Edwards will do. There is just something so soulless and empty about the Clinton regime, and the phrase "holding my nose" won't even begin to cover what I will have to do to vote for her in a November election.
Hillary Clinton |
01.07.08 - 12:44 am | #
Who would be the strongest running mates for each of the three top Democrats?
Econ 102 |
01.07.08 - 12:44 am | #
LaFong: your nym makes me recall a night of fierce storm in the Greater Antilles...
ProfWombat | 01.07.08 - 12:43 am | #
ahh...was w.c. fields present during this storm?
he once asked somebody in a film (a non-sequitor if I recall correctly) if they knew where Karl...Karl LaFong resided....
Karl LaFong |
01.07.08 - 12:45 am | #
Brian Schweitzer for VP!!
WalterNeff, Naked-American |
Homepage |
01.07.08 - 12:45 am | #
No Dem candidate is talking impeachment.
Bizness as usual. The Dems are enabling the Repugs.
And now I'm going to bed, secure in the knowledge that very little will change regardlesss of who wins in 08.
steve simels |
Homepage |
01.07.08 - 12:45 am | #
"UncleBlodge! How are you?"
Meh.
"Would anyone care for some homemade cinnamon bread?"
of course!!
Uncle Blodge, Urban Teacher |
01.07.08 - 12:45 am | #
Large L small a large F . . .
WalterNeff, Naked-American |
Homepage |
01.07.08 - 12:45 am | #
my otherwise-almost-always Republican mother and stepfather both said they could vote for Obama.
And I assume they'd never vote for Hillary despite her being to the right of Obama.
The Old Man From Scene 24 |
Homepage |
01.07.08 - 12:46 am | #
Who would be the strongest running mates for each of the three top Democrats?
Econ 102
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Barack Obama - John Edwards
John Edwards - Joe Biden
Hillary Clinton - Satan
Addison |
01.07.08 - 12:46 am | #
And now I'm going to bed, secure in the knowledge that very little will change regardlesss of who wins in 08.
steve simels
If it's Hillary, you can bet on it. If Obama, the same. But if it's Edwards, you might be surprised.
Duane V |
01.07.08 - 12:46 am | #
Large L small a large F . . .
WalterNeff, Naked-American
Who, but who, would soil the environmental reputation of Barack Obama?
The Democratic senator from Illinois gets stellar marks from greens. Just a few months ago he was calling global warming "real," saying: "It is here. . . . We couldn't just keep burning fossil fuels and contribute to the changing atmosphere without consequence."
Sen. Barack Obama (D-Ill.) has reintroduced the Coal-to-Liquid Fuel Promotion Act of 2007. It's a development that has the coal crowd cheering.
Sen. Barack Obama (D-Ill.) has reintroduced the Coal-to-Liquid Fuel Promotion Act of 2007. It's a development that has the coal crowd cheering.
So why then, environmentalists ask, is Obama backing a law supporting the expanded use of coal, whose emissions are cooking the globe? It seems the answer is twofold: his interest in energy independence -- and his interest in downstate Illinois, where the senator's green tinge makes the coal industry queasy.
The coal industry praises Obama's reintroduction, with Sen. Jim Bunning (R-Ky.), of the Coal-to-Liquid Fuel Promotion Act of 2007 last week, which would provide incentives for research and plant construction. The industry says the technology, which converts coal into diesel engine fuel, would reduce America's dependence on foreign oil through a new, home-mined fuel that burns as cleanly as gasoline.
Environmentalists say focusing on coal does nothing to arrest climate change. Instead, they say, lawmakers should back cleaner alternative fuels and stricter automobile and industrial emissions standards.
Econ 102 |
01.07.08 - 12:48 am | #
And I assume they'd never vote for Hillary despite her being to the right of Obama.
you are correct, sir.
I often find myself wondering, during the course of these presidential campaigns, who the hell can figure out and take into account all the different, nearly-completely irrational ways people make up their minds about for whom they will vote. After all, very few people sit down and analyze platforms and policy papers. Mostly, it's just 'gut feelings'... a haircut, a tie, the way they speak...
r€nato, like a virgin |
Homepage |
01.07.08 - 12:48 am | #
Clinton/Clooney
Edwards/Pfeiffer
Obama/Dunst
Tiny Tim |
01.07.08 - 12:48 am | #
I want to see the Clintons slash and burn. The Clintons do what's best for the Clintons, not the Democrats.
Janeane The Acerbic Goblin |
01.07.08 - 12:49 am | #
Who would be the strongest running mates for each of the three top Democrats?
Econ 102
have you ever thought about starting your own blog?
Tom Jones |
01.07.08 - 12:49 am | #
My next door neighbor hates Hillary so how dare she run for president.
hadenough |
01.07.08 - 12:49 am | #
I must have seen Obama on a bad night, cause when I did he sucked.
Pretty much all he said was what the two people who introduced him said-- he's a wonderful guy, lot of other people think he's a wonderful guy, he was against the war, and he's a wonderful guy.
he did add that he had been against the war, told a typical politician's 'heartwrenching' story about a woman's struggle to get health care, said he'd gone up to Detroit & told the automakers to get on the fuel economy stick, told an incredibly patronizing story of how they came up with the 'fired up- ready to go' call & response bit, and mentioned that he had been against the war.
Then he deigned- and that is the exactly right word "I wasn't going to take questions, but you guys have been sooo great" to take a couple of questions.
So they served him up a couple of softballs, one about Darfur and one that escapes me now, and I thought, "okay, now we get some Oratory". But he swung with a wiffle bat and poked soft singles into right field. It just gave me the feeling he has nothing of substance to say. And as the person standing next to me said, 'not much poetry for a rock star'.
The thing I have to remind myself of is, this appearance was a pep rally in College Town. I may have been more impressed with the guy had I seen him at a Farm Bureau meeting where he might have been *pushed* a bit...
nick carraway |
01.07.08 - 12:50 am | #
well - got to sleep sometime.
night
Uncle Blodge, Urban Teacher |
01.07.08 - 12:50 am | #
Would Gov. Schweitzer make sense as a running mate for Senator Edwards?
Econ 102 |
01.07.08 - 12:52 am | #
Gov. Schweitzer is my favorite Dem (I am not a Dem)
WalterNeff, Naked-American |
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01.07.08 - 12:53 am | #
'night, my little chickadees...
ProfWombat |
01.07.08 - 12:53 am | #
Thanks, Duane. Compliments are always welcome....
Janeane The Acerbic Goblin
Anytime! Especially if it keeps you posting here..And I agree with you on the uplifting Obama speeches, but I guess I'm even more cynical and acerbic than you, because I need for these people to tell me (and show me)exactly what it is they stand for before I'll fall for some airy platitude..
Duane V |
01.07.08 - 12:54 am | #
I so do not want to go to meetings tomorrow.
Hanging out with marsupials sounds more entertaining.
Sallyh, Grandmere Poissonniere |
01.07.08 - 12:54 am | #
I want to see the Clintons slash and burn. The Clintons do what's best for the Clintons, not the Democrats.
Janeane The Acerbic Goblin | 01.07.08 - 12:49 am | #
the clintons are agents of change who feel our pain
oh to have been in her war-room after the caucus
Syd B |
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01.07.08 - 12:54 am | #
Sen. Edwards might make sense as Sen. Obama's running mate, though his loss in 2004 makes that unlikely.
Econ 102 |
01.07.08 - 12:54 am | #
Fair enough, Nick..
The next morning, he gave virtually the same speech in NH that he gave in Iowa (the one that made me cry), except he got muddled up a couple of times and it was definitely lacking in excitement.
The second time through, it didn't have that je ne sais quoi that I felt the first time.
I kinda thought he'd have something different to say to kick off the next primary, but I guess he just recycles it.
Ali |
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01.07.08 - 12:54 am | #
oh to have been in her war-room after the caucus
Syd B | Homepage | 01.07.08 - 12:54 am | #
I'd pay to see that documentary on DVD.
Janeane The Acerbic Goblin |
01.07.08 - 12:55 am | #
Edwards would be a better top of the ticket. I think that ended up being a real problem for him in '04, that he couldn't quite get the hang of not being top dog. I seriously doubt he'd even consider it.
Not that I *know* anything.
nick carraway |
01.07.08 - 12:56 am | #
clinton will chose bill richardson as a running mate if she wins the nomination - i can think of no other reason for why he ran for president
Syd B |
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01.07.08 - 12:56 am | #
"Gov. Schweitzer is my favorite Dem (I am not a Dem)"
Seems like Sen. Edwards could get more traction in the western states that aren't too far Republican with a running mate like Gov. Schweitzer. I could see where the Senator's campaign rhetoric might not play too well out there.
Econ 102 |
01.07.08 - 12:57 am | #
I'd pay to see that documentary on DVD.
hehehe
The Old Man From Scene 24 |
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01.07.08 - 12:57 am | #
a memory refresher! Thanks!
Karl LaFong |
01.07.08 - 12:59 am | #
"clinton will chose bill richardson as a running mate if she wins the nomination - i can think of no other reason for why he ran for president"
That makes sense.
Econ 102 |
01.07.08 - 12:59 am | #
Seems like Sen. Edwards could get more traction in the western states that aren't too far Republican with a running mate like Gov. Schweitzer. I could see where the Senator's campaign rhetoric might not play too well out there.
Econ 102
Rule #5: You are in charge. Don't let yourself be swayed by the liberals. Keep to your point, and don't let yourself be drowned out. If these people are ever to see reason, it will be through your efforts and the efforts of others.
Troll 101 |
01.07.08 - 12:59 am | #
I'd pay to see that documentary on DVD.
Janeane The Acerbic Goblin | 01.07.08 - 12:55 am
Primary Colors?
Ali |
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01.07.08 - 12:59 am | #
The Clinton camp is going to really get desperate if they continue to see Hillary's numbers tank in the wake of Iowa. They will have to mount some sort of desperate attack on Obama. It will definitely backfire on them.
Duane V |
01.07.08 - 1:00 am | #
Rule #5: You are in charge. Don't let yourself be swayed by the liberals. Keep to your point, and don't let yourself be drowned out. If these people are ever to see reason, it will be through your efforts and the efforts of others.
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Karl LaFong |
01.07.08 - 1:00 am | #
The Clinton camp is going to really get desperate if they continue to see Hillary's numbers tank in the wake of Iowa. They will have to mount some sort of desperate attack on Obama. It will definitely backfire on them.
Duane V | 01.07.08 - 1:00 am | #
praising him using his middle name as often as possible?
Karl LaFong |
01.07.08 - 1:01 am | #
Duane V | 01.07.08 - 1:00 am | #
It's already backfiring on them. They sound like the GOP in attack mode.
Janeane The Acerbic Goblin |
01.07.08 - 1:01 am | #
I'd pay to see that documentary on DVD.
Janeane The Acerbic Goblin
Somewhere, James Carville's head is slowly exploding...
Duane V |
01.07.08 - 1:01 am | #
it takes a village to stop an uppity kenyan
Karl LaFong |
01.07.08 - 1:02 am | #
Somewhere, James Carville's head is slowly exploding...
I hope so.
Oh and he and Bill Frist of all people will be in some soft drink Super Bowl commercial. Gag.
The Old Man From Scene 24 |
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01.07.08 - 1:03 am | #
The Clinton camp is going to really get desperate if they continue to see Hillary's numbers tank in the wake of Iowa. They will have to mount some sort of desperate attack on Obama. It will definitely backfire on them.
They were worried about the way things were going even before Iowa apparently.
The Old Man From Scene 24 |
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01.07.08 - 1:03 am | #
It's already backfiring on them. They sound like the GOP in attack mode.
Janeane The Acerbic Goblin
Watch them sink into the muck. I just hope Obama responds in kind. Not because he should lower himself to their level, I simply want someone in the mainstream to tell the truth about these cowards and their craven political calculations. Maybe he'll ignore them..
Duane V |
01.07.08 - 1:04 am | #
"Rule #5"
???
Eclown 102
Rule #2: Attack, but always be courteous. The liberals will troll you, flame you, insult you, use every dastardly trick within their arsenal to assault you without actually joining in any sort of debate. Always keep the higher ground and do not resort to their level. More people are reading these threads than posting on them, and they will acknowledge you for your courteousness and attempts at reason being thwarted by irrational liberals
Troll 101 |
01.07.08 - 1:04 am | #
She can't run at Obama from the right-- if that's the plan... it's suicide.
nick carraway |
01.07.08 - 1:05 am | #
Duane V | 01.07.08 - 1:01 am | #
I just watched Our Brand is Crisis, a documentary about Carville's campaign firm running an American style campaign for a Bolivian candidate nicknamed "Goni".
Tad Devine was one of the consultants, one of the malfunctioning brains behind the Kerry campaign.
Goni did win, but with 11 candidates in the race, he won with a mere 22 percent of the vote. Then he tried to pass an "austerity" budget (which hit the poor the hardest, but it was a "free market" reform, you know the rest), and riots ensued.
Eventually, he resigned, and Evo Morales won the Presidency.
Janeane The Acerbic Goblin |
01.07.08 - 1:05 am | #
She can't run at Obama from the right-- if that's the plan... it's suicide.
nick carraway
I can hear it now, "Attack Obama where he's weak!! National Security!!"
That'd be so Clintonian, to try to make Obama look like a "simpering, weak liberal". They will completely alienate every registered democrat, and make themselves look like what they are; warmed over neo - cons.
Duane V |
01.07.08 - 1:07 am | #
Duane V | 01.07.08 - 1:04 am | #
They've been calculating from the beginning. Hillary's Senate record is deliberately "non-controversial". There isn't any progressive legislation she proposed, just the Iraq War Vote, the Kyl/Lieberman bomb Iran vote, video games, and flag burning.
I've never see two Dems run so much from progressive issues like the Clintons (except the Borens, Bob Kerrey's, and Lieberman's).
Janeane The Acerbic Goblin |
01.07.08 - 1:07 am | #
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Econ 102 |
01.07.08 - 1:08 am | #
Janeane The Acerbic Goblin
Tad Devine. The perfect example of who NOT to hire as a consultant. And they still put Bob Shrum on teevee like he was some sort of "expert". At what, losing? Carville should be out of a job, too. Forever.
Duane V |
01.07.08 - 1:11 am | #
They will completely alienate every registered democrat, and make themselves look like what they are; warmed over neo - cons.
look where they are after Iowa, 2/3 of Dems voted "Not Hillary".
The Old Man From Scene 24 |
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Eclown 102
Hide me mother ...
Rule #6: Always keep in mind that your reading audience is far larger than the few liberals who will be responding to you. You probably won't reach those who actually post, but lurkers and those who are just reading the blog will see what you say and pay attention. Remember you are writing for them too.
Troll 102 |
01.07.08 - 1:11 am | #
Duane V | 01.07.08 - 1:11 am | #
Wasn't Devine the one who told John Kerry not to answer the Swift Boaters?
Janeane The Acerbic Goblin |
01.07.08 - 1:11 am | #
"I've never see two Dems run so much from progressive issues like the Clintons (except the Borens, Bob Kerrey's, and Lieberman's).
Janeane The Acerbic Goblin "
Obama Abortion Dodges Blessed by Planned Parenthood
"We at Planned Parenthood view those as leadership votes," Pam Sutherland, the president and CEO of the Illinois Planned Parenthood Council, told ABC News. "We worked with him specifically on his strategy.
...
"He came to me and said: 'My members are being attacked. We need to figure out a way to protect members and to protect women,'" said Sutherland in recounting her conversation with Obama. "A 'present' vote was hard to pigeonhole which is exactly what Obama wanted." http://blogs.abcnews.com/politic...-abortion-
.html
obama votes present on core liberal issues to protect seat/job.
You should get out more often.
hadenough |
01.07.08 - 1:12 am | #
after obama swamps her in N.H. expect a new series of 'questioning' campaign ads 'inquiring' about Obama's positions.
but it will be too weak. too namby pamby.
at one point they'll have to go full-neck-throttle and it will be useless.
How well is Senator Obama polling with white women?
Econ 102 |
01.07.08 - 1:16 am | #
Wasn't Devine the one who told John Kerry not to answer the Swift Boaters?
Janeane The Acerbic Goblin
Blame him for listening. Why anyone would hire these pathetic morons out of Carville's soulless and stupid agency is beyond me. Of course, ever since Clinton won back his Gubernatorial seat in Arkansas by compromising every value he'd once believed in, these clowns have sworn by selling out as a means to an end.
Duane V |
01.07.08 - 1:16 am | #
Duane V | 01.07.08 - 1:16 am | #
If you didn't know Clinton was a Democrat, and looked at his presidential record, you'd think he was a Republican.
Janeane The Acerbic Goblin |
01.07.08 - 1:18 am | #
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go fuck yourself.
The Old Man From Scene 24 |
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01.07.08 - 1:18 am | #
Have a good night everyone except for the Econ 102 troll.
The Old Man From Scene 24 |
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01.07.08 - 1:19 am | #
Wasn't Devine the one who told John Kerry not to answer the Swift Boaters?
Janeane The Acerbic Goblin
It would be nice if they kept stats on these advisors the way baseball fans can quote RBI and ERAs.
George Johnston |
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01.07.08 - 1:20 am | #
That film "Our Brand is Crisis" isn't very good as a film, but the subject was worth looking at.
Carville's in it, doing his usual mugging for the camera.
Janeane The Acerbic Goblin |
01.07.08 - 1:20 am | #
Nite, old man
George Johnston |
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01.07.08 - 1:20 am | #
What's even more discouraging than the "front - runner's" tendency to sell out her constituency, is the fact that the democratic "leadership" is controlled by people who behave in the same cowardly way. Rahm Emanuel is in the number three position in the democratic party! Pelosi, Reid, Hoyer...These people are more threatened by their own constituents than by the Bushies!
Duane V |
01.07.08 - 1:20 am | #
George Johnston | Homepage | 01.07.08 - 1:20 am | #
They keep hiring them even after they lose and lose.
Janeane The Acerbic Goblin |
01.07.08 - 1:21 am | #
who do pelosi, reid and hoyer hate and fear the most: edwards or obama?
or cindy sheehan?
Karl LaFong |
01.07.08 - 1:22 am | #
oh jeez. only time for 6 hours sleep. night all.
Karl LaFong |
01.07.08 - 1:22 am | #
If you didn't know Clinton was a Democrat, and looked at his presidential record, you'd think he was a Republican.
Janeane The Acerbic Goblin | 01.07.08 - 1:18 am | #
Bill Clinton is a living manifestation of Jah, the all-knowing and all-loving God.
Syd B |
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01.07.08 - 1:23 am | #
who do pelosi, reid and hoyer hate and fear the most: edwards or obama?
New lines of research could change the way governments around the world are managed by giving them a more accurate understanding of what makes their populations tick
It's time to change the way the world thinks about encouraging happy, fulfilling, prosperous lives. That's because well-being does more than make people feel good; it promotes the kind of beneficial consequences that can make for stronger, more stable workplaces and societies.
So says Ed Diener, who has dedicated much of his career to measuring, studying, and writing about subjective well-being and its implications for organizations and societies. In recent years, Diener, a prominent University of Illinois psychology professor, along with Martin Seligman and other luminary psychologists, has been one of the driving forces behind an increasingly influential branch of psychology devoted to studying human strengths and virtues. In 2004, Diener and Seligman coauthored an article titled "Beyond Money: Toward an Economy of Well-Being," which argued that organizations and nations would benefit from a systematic assessment of well-being and taking steps to improve it.
Kicking off a recent forum on global well-being in Washington, D.C., Diener said, "National well-being accounts will provide a revolution in what policy makers consider." After discussing preliminary findings on the state of well-being around the globe, Diener described his vision of how well-being "accounts" would complement current economic indicators in guiding policy decisions of governments worldwide.
But could it really be done? Is it feasible for a government to measure the well-being of its citizens and its effectiveness in promoting well-being in the same way that organizations use management metrics to account for "the human factor" in business outcomes? The answer is yes. The European Union monitors psychological well-being through the Eurobarometer, and the Gallup World Poll continually assesses the well-being of people in more than 130 countries and areas. The systematic worldwide assessment of well-being -- as well as the conditions that seem to promote it -- is not only possible, but is actually being carried out on a continuous basis.
Econ 102 |
01.07.08 - 1:28 am | #
“We have chance to say to the corporate lobbyist, your days of setting the agenda in Washington are over. – Barack Obama in Concord, New Hampshire, January 2008
"Obama's campaign proudly announced today the endorsement of former South Carolina Gov. Jim Hodges who will join his campaign as a national co-chair....
When asked by reporters on the call why Hodges could work with the campaign even though he is a lobbyist, campaign manager, David Plouffe, said the campaign's policy for limiting lobbyists' influence applied to taking money only from federal registered lobbyists and PACs."
Yes of course a lobbyist can be obama's national co chair. Because a state registered lobbyist for big oil is much different than federal registered lobbyist for big oil.
But oops anyway:
*** UPDATE *** NBC's Domenico Montanaro adds that Hodges is, in fact, a registered federal lobbyist, a search of the Senate Office of Public Records Lobbying Disclosure Act Database shows. He registered as such on June 1, 2007. http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/a.../02/
544600.aspx
And of course the candidate that says to lobbyists 'your days of setting the agenda in Washington are over' can another lobbyist running his NH campaign:
He more lobbyists as co chairs in other state to. Wanna see?
hadenough |
01.07.08 - 1:29 am | #
Who's idea was it to have the NH primary five days after Iowa?
Janeane The Acerbic Goblin |
01.07.08 - 1:31 am | #
My Republican mom just asked me the other day how the caucus went. I cautiously told her that I caucused for Edwards and my wife caucused for Obama.
She said she'd be happy to vote for either of them.
I asked what she thought of the results of the Republican caucus, and she said she hadn't paid those guys any mind, didn't know who was running and didn't know about the results.
underwhelm, horizontal |
01.07.08 - 1:32 am | #
Yeah, here it comes! Clinton vs. Obama: Who sucks up more to corporate lobbyists? All we'll hear from now until the nomination is each camp trying to expose the other as aligned with the same old corporate interests. When the smoke clears, Edwards will win the nomination.
Duane V |
01.07.08 - 1:33 am | #
... but she won't vote for Clinton.
underwhelm, horizontal |
01.07.08 - 1:33 am | #
Who's idea was it to have the NH primary five days after Iowa?
Basically Iowa, by insisting that they be first, kept pushing their forward, until the other states gave trying to leap frog Iowa into first.
Because NH has some silly law, saying that they must be the first Primary (or something like that), they had to squeeze theirs in between Iowa, and South Carolina (I believe).
David (Austin Tx) |
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01.07.08 - 1:33 am | #
What I want to know is how quickly will Obama throw working class Americans under the bus in the name of unity?
George Johnston |
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01.07.08 - 1:34 am | #
23% of the GLBT vote went to President Bush in 2004.
Econ 102 |
01.07.08 - 1:34 am | #
David (Austin Tx) | Homepage | 01.07.08 - 1:33 am | #
If they were a month apart, it would have helped Hillary, but they have just 2 days now to catch up, which probably won't happen.
Janeane The Acerbic Goblin |
01.07.08 - 1:35 am | #
What I want to know is how quickly will Obama throw working class Americans under the bus in the name of unity?
George Johnston
You mean he hasn't yet?
Duane V |
01.07.08 - 1:37 am | #
If they were a month apart, it would have helped Hillary, but they have just 2 days now to catch up, which probably won't happen.
Janeane The Acerbic Goblin
True. However, if her campaign were tracking NH as close as they were tracking IA, then they would have noticed that the messages that were resonating in Iowa, with Obama (and conversely the ones that weren't in Clinton's case) they should not have been surprised at her position in NH, and started working the state harder before the Iowa caucus.
But, as an outsider, my opinion is worthless.
David (Austin Tx) |
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01.07.08 - 1:37 am | #
Yeah, here it comes! Clinton vs. Obama: Who sucks up more to corporate lobbyists? All we'll hear from now until the nomination is each camp trying to expose the other as aligned with the same old corporate interests. When the smoke clears, Edwards will win the nomination.
Duane V | 01.07.08 - 1:33 am | #
I hope you're right.
Ali |
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01.07.08 - 1:39 am | #
Obama gives good speech. It takes more than flowery oratory skills to become the democratic nominee. It takes corporate dollars. Of course he'll sell out. The question is, will Edwards maintain his integrity, and rise above the fray?
Duane V |
01.07.08 - 1:39 am | #
But, as an outsider, my opinion is worthless.
Meaning, if they asked me, I would have asked the simple question of, how is Clinton's message in IA playing in NH?
Edwards was banking everything on Iowa, so more or less ignored NH, and Obama was playing it safe in Iowa, and the ground game in NH wasn't necessarily prepared for the frontrunner status.
David (Austin Tx) |
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01.07.08 - 1:40 am | #
Getting sleepy, see y'all tomorrow...
Janeane The Acerbic Goblin |
01.07.08 - 1:41 am | #
I think you can count on Edwards keeping to his message. He's like a pit bull with a bone.
There's still a chance he could cruise up the middle while the other two destroy each other, I suppose.
Ali |
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01.07.08 - 1:42 am | #
Ya know what... if you just clap louder or look over there than obama didn't really vote present on tough abortion votes and if you clap louder and look over there obama doesn't really have lobbyists co chairing in several states and a lobbyist co chairing his national campaign. And if you just keep clapping louder or looking over there you won't notice that hope is cheap and the answer to 'can't we all just get along' is no.
hadenough |
01.07.08 - 1:42 am | #
g'night, Janeane!
Duane V |
01.07.08 - 1:42 am | #
You mean he hasn't yet?
Duane V
Probably by Jan. 25th, 2009. His rhetoric of inclusion gives Americans scared for their health, their jobs and their children's future some hope for now.
However, bipartisanship, like the devil, is in the details. We are told we must give up clean water, clean air and teachers that can afford to teach our kids for the sake of unity.
Bipartisan plans have always meant sending our jobs overseas and sending our sick and disabled to homeless shelters. We are told that is the best we can do.
George Johnston |
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01.07.08 - 1:44 am | #
Nite, Goblin.
George Johnston |
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01.07.08 - 1:45 am | #
Hmm, Eschaton, isn't filtered or locked out. (waiting for more work, don't want to bug the folks working on the floor)
Doug |
01.07.08 - 1:48 am | #
This is not an Obama vs. Hillary contest. They will see it that way because they probably think they have to in order to strategize, but as long as the netroots continues to hammer these people when they compromise their stated core values, we have reason to hope the right guy (Edwards) can win the nomination. After all, the MSM has lost all credibility, and for this (probably)brief moment in time, there exists a way for us to communicate and organize that they do not totally control..
Duane V |
01.07.08 - 1:52 am | #
In CNN's 2004 exit poll, 41% of voters indicated they felt President Bush pays more attention to ordinary Americans than large corporations.
The degree to which the population of this country can delude itself is stunning sometimes.
Econ 102 |
01.07.08 - 1:52 am | #
Keep the faith, Duane. I'm 3/4 convinced. I'm going to sleep on it. G'night.
Ali |
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01.07.08 - 1:54 am | #
41% of voters in 2004 also thought that the Bush tax cuts were good for the economy.
Pleasant dreams, everyone. Except for you Cowboy fans...
Duane V |
01.07.08 - 1:59 am | #
You know that NH law about the first Primary? They know who is bringing them the dough. The TV advertising.
And can you imagine the TV news attacking the people who help keep them in the black?
Long primary seasons are GREAT for TV. They are great for the advertising business. Who is it not so great for?
The American people.
spocko |
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01.07.08 - 2:07 am | #
They all take money from corporations.
Oggie Oglethorpe |
01.07.08 - 2:10 am | #
Except Kucinich that is.
Oggie Oglethorpe |
01.07.08 - 2:11 am | #
To add to the last thread, Dan Boren is the one who Obama was having a teebee interview with last week and when I made the remark that Obama didn't know who the enemy was.
I like him but he seems a bit naive to me like he doesn't quite get it yet. No dem should talk to Dan Boren on teebee or any other place. They already are trying to get their hooks into him obviously.
warondandruff |
01.07.08 - 2:14 am | #
Obama has two chances to get elected President. Slim and none. Go ahead dumbocraps , make my day...nominate Obama !!!!
sonny ablaza |
01.07.08 - 2:21 am | #
The winner will be the one who gets the independent support- NOT. Since half the states have closed primaries independents can't vote so I see the hard core Hillary supporters taking the primary election.
warondandruff |
01.07.08 - 2:31 am | #
Corporatists fear Edwards. That's precisely why we should vote for him.
Gilly Gonzylon |
01.07.08 - 2:48 am | #
My cable company, Comcast, cut me offline for three hours tonight leaving me with no phone or internet access, just the boob tube. Pacifier?
Back online, I had to run a full scan for viruses which recovered and quarantined (sp?) 9 of the awful things. Comcast infected me or what?
Nancy Willing Danzig's pony. |
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01.07.08 - 3:47 am | #
Sinf,
Hope you feel better soon.
mimi |
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01.07.08 - 3:51 am | #
Poor you, NWDP. Must have been a frustrating night.
warondandruff |
01.07.08 - 3:51 am | #
woar
naw, that is why I am still up, that's all
the scan took almost an hour. I should delete more files.
Nancy Willing Danzig's pony. |
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01.07.08 - 3:59 am | #
I should probable link to less of what gets offered up, here in the comments. Now, off to rest.
Nancy Willing |
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01.07.08 - 4:02 am | #
Now, off to rest.
Perchance to dream.
warondandruff |
01.07.08 - 4:06 am | #
For in that sleep of death
What dreams may come
Must give us pause
mimi |
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01.07.08 - 4:08 am | #
Well, that's their dilemma, isn't it? They have to get the rubes to keep voting against their own interests in order for the plutocracy to prevail, and they've gone so far with their rape-and-pillage approach to "governance" that the rubes are getting wise. Hence the all fear, all the time politics -- they don't have a single policy leg to stand on, because their policy involves nothing more than a bathtub.
And good morning.
V for Virginia |
01.07.08 - 4:13 am | #
Grutsi Mittenand!
(Don't hold me responsible for spelling in SweizerTeutsch ?)
warondandruff |
01.07.08 - 4:15 am | #
WOAR, merci vielen Mal as they say here!
mimi |
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01.07.08 - 4:18 am | #
V
One can always hope but I have faith in the strength of noxious poisonous mold creeping out from under bathtubs when the housekeeping crews get careless.
warondandruff |
01.07.08 - 4:19 am | #
I keep thinking that there will so many scandals uncovered when Bush leaves office that no one will claim to be a Republican for 20 years to come, except John McCain.
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01.07.08 - 4:21 am | #
waron -- it's amazing how the same fucking people's names keep bubbling to the surface, isn't it?
V for Virginia |
01.07.08 - 4:24 am | #
I don't think there will be anything uncovered much. As in Chile everything was classified as state secrets or something.
warondandruff |
01.07.08 - 4:24 am | #
La Jetee is playing again on TCM.
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Okay, my chapter's shipped and it's time for bed. Thanks to all (well, almost) for keeping me awake and reasonably alert.
Night, bats...
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01.07.08 - 4:27 am | #
To think that the Bushes have been perverting the country for many decades along with all their cronies who were mostly even in the Nixon Whitehouse, just blows me away. To keep voting for these people and this party is insane.
warondandruff |
01.07.08 - 4:27 am | #
Well, thanks to encouragement from some here, I signed on at Wordpress.com -- now if I can just think of stuff to blog about.
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Best wishes, Plantsman.
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01.07.08 - 4:30 am | #
Danke, danke; unformed ideas float about in a fog, I'm gonna give them time to coalesce.
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I'm sure Typepad has some groovy features -- but I'm not prolific or flush enough to spend 30 bucks a month yet.
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01.07.08 - 4:32 am | #
Good luck with that, p-man! You have a wonderful, dry sense of humor -- it should put you in good stead.
I started a blog to post pictures of my cats on (mostly); I can't even remember what I called the damned thing.
And why does my Christmas cactus bloom some years and not others? I think I neglect it exactly the same way every time.
V for Virginia |
01.07.08 - 4:33 am | #
Does the light exposure change on the Christmas cactus, or any fertilizing? How'd Mr. V's plant porn shoot come out?
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01.07.08 - 4:34 am | #
(Please, please don't snow this morning! I gotta go out to the bank, and the last thing I want is to slip and fall on my bum.)
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01.07.08 - 4:36 am | #
How'd Mr. V's plant porn shoot come out?
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It hangs in the same window all year, facing east, so unless the earth is wobbling it gets the same amount of sunlight. Although we might have years that are cloudier than others -- I hadn't considered that.
Plant pr0n went quite well, and he took some spec shots of the Tampa area (skyline etc.) for a guidebook. We had a lot of fun, but, then, we'll do that.
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01.07.08 - 4:42 am | #
There is an old grower's trick: In late september/october put the (presumably happy) plant in a dark closet for 5 days/week of total darkness. Sometimes, this will stimulate flower production.
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01.07.08 - 4:45 am | #
plantsman, you should get those rubber things you can slip on your shoes - they either have spikes, chains or abrasive material on them. I use them on my trainers to run in winter outside. They sell a lot of these in Germany in Switzerland but I don't remember the brand names.
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01.07.08 - 4:46 am | #
Maybe you need some bigs boots with heavy tractor treads on the bottom.
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01.07.08 - 4:47 am | #
You know, if you've been occuppying my home town for the last 5 years even I would be out there burying IEDs.
Just sayin'.
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01.07.08 - 4:47 am | #
sorry - Germany and Switzerland
I think the brand name is Lynx
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01.07.08 - 4:47 am | #
I keep counting on climate change to obviate the need for ice-traction devices in this climate, but this winter seems snowier than most of late.
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01.07.08 - 4:48 am | #
In Berlin, there was what they called (sp) glatt-eis, or sheet ice on the sidewalks that was nothing but trouble for me and my Old English Sheepdog, Glenda; to the endless amusement of commuters.
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01.07.08 - 4:50 am | #
If I fall down I am really finished I suspect-thus my big boots with heavy soles.
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01.07.08 - 4:50 am | #
I landed on my tailbone last winter and the sucker ached for months!
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01.07.08 - 4:51 am | #
I'll see if I can remember to subject the x-mas cactus to some intensive interrogation practices next year. It's purty when it blooms . . .
V for Virginia |
01.07.08 - 4:52 am | #
Dogs need extra traction on ice too. I will get the brand names on my way home this evening as there is a shoe shop right beside my building.
I wouldn't want anyone falling and injuring themselves and I am always encouraging people to get a little exercise, so it's the least I can do.
I can't find anything online which isn't for mountain climbing.
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01.07.08 - 4:52 am | #
With poinsettias, too; darkness is the key to get those purty-colored bracts.
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01.07.08 - 4:53 am | #
falling on ice is not good for anyone except the very young and hockey players with lots of sports padding.
mimi |
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01.07.08 - 4:53 am | #
Steel Magnolias was on TV yesterday; damn, that was trite and formulaic!
plantsman, bulbalicious |
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01.07.08 - 4:57 am | #
Hi, mimi.
NTodd isn't here.
I am.
I live just across the river from Longueuil.
You've been there, right?
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01.07.08 - 4:58 am | #
iTunes has the Best of Bowie album for $7.99 - 20 rocking tracks I don't have, nearly all of which were "hits".
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01.07.08 - 5:00 am | #
Steel Magnolias was on TV yesterday; damn, that was trite and formulaic!
plantsman, bulbalicious
Haaaated it!
I watched this Diane Keaton movie on HBO recently that was a complete piece of shit, too: Because I Said So. What a piece of shit! Big disappointment, because I generally love her.
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01.07.08 - 5:01 am | #
aangus, I used to work at Pratt & Whitney - plant 2.
NTodd can go take a flying leap at a snow plow.
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01.07.08 - 5:01 am | #
so are you in Cité du Havre, aangus?
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01.07.08 - 5:02 am | #
(At first, I couldn't remember if my printer was so old it didn't have a USB connector; and I'd need a new printer if I got a new 'puter -- but a bit of crawling 'round under the desk cleared that up.)
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01.07.08 - 5:03 am | #
aangus -- an old, old friend of mine lived in St. Lambert until she moved into the city a couple of years ago.
There is a butcher that IIRC is in Longueuil (although it could have been the other direction, Greenfield Park) that makes the most outrageous duck sausages.
V for Virginia |
01.07.08 - 5:06 am | #
No. Farther east.
I work with a person whose SO is an engineer at Pratt.
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Duck sausages? That sounds really good!
warondandruff |
01.07.08 - 5:08 am | #
I started the Umberto Eco novel sis gave me for Xmas. The protagonist awakes having had a stroke, and though his knowledge of what he knew about books and others is intact -- he often responds to simple questions with florid quotations
in any number of languages -- he can't remember any of the personal details of his life, or his wife.
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Also an old friend of the famoly was an engineer there during th 60's & 70's.
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aangus, just off Notre Dame then. Are they going to turn Notre Dame into a highway like they wanted to?
mimi |
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01.07.08 - 5:09 am | #
are you originally from Montreal? your nym sounds like it's from Nova Scotia although there are the old Angus yards in Mtl
mimi |
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01.07.08 - 5:10 am | #
I'm gonna attempt to roast about a kilo of boneless pork loin with an apple/ginger root/curry chutney.
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01.07.08 - 5:11 am | #
plantsman, are you aware of the research about how bananas prevent strokes? I urge you to find out some more about this as the results were quite startling. I know they are hyperglycemic.
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Are they going to turn Notre Dame into a highway like they wanted to?
I have only read "The Name of the Rose" by Eco. Don't think I want to read about anybody having a stroke. Too old, too scary, too cowardly.
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01.07.08 - 5:13 am | #
My own stroke was related to my blood pressure, which is now *somewhat* controlled, but bananas are tough for me to fit into my diet: if pleasantly ripe, it's a load of carbohydrates at once.
plantsman, bulbalicious |
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01.07.08 - 5:14 am | #
What do bananas have to do with blood pressure. Potassium??
warondandruff |
01.07.08 - 5:15 am | #
although there are the old Angus yards in Mtl
Yes, they are to the north and west of me. I am named after my grandfather who came to Canada to work in the Vickers yard.
It's gone now, but I still live in the neighbourhood.
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Eco's character's stroke damage was different to mine. I lost the ability to write or print and reading was arduous, and my horticultural database vanished temporarily. Of course, I feared it was permanent until it began to return.
plantsman, bulbalicious |
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01.07.08 - 5:16 am | #
Yes, the potassium has a hypotensive effect, but my problem is the sugars.
plantsman, bulbalicious |
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01.07.08 - 5:18 am | #
mimi, she lie. She live in Pensalvania. She no live in urope
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01.07.08 - 5:18 am | #
Oh my gosh, Plantsman. I am so glad it did.
warondandruff |
01.07.08 - 5:18 am | #
Duck sausages? That sounds really good!
warondandruff
We were going to barbecue at her house and we picked up a bunch of different things. Mr. V and i loved the duck ones so much we went back and bought him out, and took them camping with us for the next several days. Duck sausage in Riviere du Loup (or somewhere nearby)! Duck sausages in Fundy!
The fact that I remember all the food details could be a small clue as to how I've managed to become the big tub of goo I see in the mirror. But it's been a good ride.
V for Virginia |
01.07.08 - 5:18 am | #
Her father, he black
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01.07.08 - 5:19 am | #
Not as glad as I! I spent years gathering what little I knew and then *poof*, my livelihood was gone.
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01.07.08 - 5:19 am | #
That novel sounds pretty interesting, plantsman. What's it called?
I finished Ivins' Bill of Wrongs so I need to hit the library in the next couple of days.
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01.07.08 - 5:20 am | #
And you live alone, too, I think, Plantsman. It must have been terrible for you.
warondandruff |
01.07.08 - 5:22 am | #
there's some new meds too now to prevent brain damage after a stroke but they must be given rather quickly after the event.
mimi |
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01.07.08 - 5:22 am | #
The English title is The Mysterious Flame of Queen Loanna. The translation is brilliant!
plantsman, bulbalicious |
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01.07.08 - 5:22 am | #
Yes, TPA, tissue plasminogen activator. I'm aware, although I did not receive it.
plantsman, bulbalicious |
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01.07.08 - 5:23 am | #
yup. I'm still here.
I moved to Montreal from Northern Ontario to study at McGill and stayed on afterwards. I like Montreal, but not the English-French hatred.
I lived through the same thing in Northern Ontario and didn't like it there either.
I am glad to live in Switzerland where people apologize if they don't speak one of the 3 major languages (and I love to watch Italian television even though I don't always understand what they're saying).
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01.07.08 - 5:25 am | #
Another novel whose translation is thrilling is The Shadow of The Wind about a boy's life in Barcelona after the days of the Fascists.
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01.07.08 - 5:25 am | #
Plantsman: An old dear frind of mine, from college days, had a stroke at 42. For years he refused to believe that it would slow him down or even affect his lifestyle.
He's much better now that he's given that idea up.
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01.07.08 - 5:26 am | #
why didn't they give it to you plantsman?
mimi |
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01.07.08 - 5:27 am | #
I like Montreal, but not the English-French hatred.
It really isn't as bad as you seem to think it is.
Its mostly local politics.
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01.07.08 - 5:29 am | #
aangus: it's the truth. One of the most insidious effects I noticed was the compulsion to "play who I had been" around people who had known me pre-stroke. I gave it up in frustration, you can't fool people that well.
plantsman, bulbalicious |
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My BP at hospital admission was 232/132 and gradually lowering it was the primary focus --that I had had a stroke was not confirmed for more than 36 hours by a CT scan. "The Golden Hour" had passed.
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01.07.08 - 5:31 am | #
I'm gonna look that one up in the library's online catalog.
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01.07.08 - 5:32 am | #
aangus, are you bilingual?
I found that with the Anglos, people would share all their anti-French feelings with me and vice-versa.
It got a little tiresome.
I found the same thing happened to me in Europe with the Brits complaining to me about how much they hated the French, until they found out I was French. They are the only ones who do that here though, Dank Gott!
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01.07.08 - 5:32 am | #
And Monday begins to have meaning for me.
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01.07.08 - 5:34 am | #
yay -- they have it at my branch!
Mmmmmmm . . . memory disorders . . .aghghghghghgh . . . .
V for Virginia |
01.07.08 - 5:34 am | #
plantsman, that's too bad. How long ago was this?
mimi |
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01.07.08 - 5:35 am | #
May 29, 2002.
plantsman, bulbalicious |
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01.07.08 - 5:35 am | #
'morning, Moe -- care to share?
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01.07.08 - 5:36 am | #
Memory problems are really interesting but I guess not until one starts to find some difficulty. (everybody eventually I guess). Maybe you should write a book in your spare time. I would read it and buy it.
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01.07.08 - 5:37 am | #
Maybe you should write a book in your spare time. I would read it and buy it.
warondandruff
Blog topic!
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01.07.08 - 5:38 am | #
Because of my personal experience, I started Eco's book with trepidation and questions: "Would the stroke experience ring true, would the damnable sense of confusion come thru." I needn't have worried, Eco has handled this most tenderly.
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01.07.08 - 5:38 am | #
That's true, V.
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01.07.08 - 5:39 am | #
No biggie, V-- just the beginning of the work week. Just not enough time to re-energize over the weekend. I'll get over it, just like the billions of 9 to 5ers everywhere.
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01.07.08 - 5:39 am | #
Because of my personal experience, I started Eco's book with trepidation and questions:
I bet you did!!!! Brave of you.
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01.07.08 - 5:40 am | #
It got a little tiresome.
No shit!
My written french is too horrible at this hour for me to try it. But I do watch SRC and and listen to French radio.
I recall being afraid to admit to myself that I was brain-damaged. It was some terrible secret.
Silly, really.
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01.07.08 - 5:41 am | #
did Umberto Eco write it because he had a stroke too?
mimi |
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01.07.08 - 5:41 am | #
I think not; it seems more like he wrote it as an exercise in trying to understand what it might be like.
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01.07.08 - 5:43 am | #
Silly, really.
Thats what I was trying to say.
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01.07.08 - 5:44 am | #
Eco is a professor of Semiotics at an Italian University. His cross-cultural knowledge is astounding!
plantsman, bulbalicious |
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01.07.08 - 5:45 am | #
Pope Benedict XVI has instructed Roman Catholics to pray "in perpetuity" to cleanse the Church of pedophile clergy. All dioceses, parishes, monasteries, convents and seminaries will be expected to organize continuous daily prayers to express penitence and to purify the clergy.
I really fucking don't want to have a stroke!!! Losing brain power seems not to scare me as much as control of body and being dependant and in the hands of the idiots.
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It's already above freezing. Supposed to go up to 8 or 10 today, which is astoundingly warm, considering what we've had. Hope all the snow melts the next few days.
Moe Szyslak |
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Brain injury is unlike any cut, burn or wound you can imagine. And no, I wish it on no one.
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aangus, I was just reminded of the time an ex-boyfriend and I were thinking of getting married but his mother objected to me because I wasn't québecoise but my mother was from France. she also thought I wore my skirts too short, but that wasn't the major issue. we broke up because of her.
she came from a very prestigious québecois family - her father was the head of the Liberal Party of Quebec, the one who threw out René Lévesque from the Party in the 60's.
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01.07.08 - 5:48 am | #
to express penitence and to purify the clergy.
There's a whole group of very good reasons that my distant ancesters left the Church of Rome. This is one of them!
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01.07.08 - 5:48 am | #
I knew an English Prof who had a massive stroke, and lost grammar and syntax completely. The most painful thing was watching his young wife be completely unable to deal with it.
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01.07.08 - 5:49 am | #
*ancestors*
Prolly time for me to go back to sleep.
aangus: |
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01.07.08 - 5:50 am | #
yes, Umberto Eco is a very intelligent man. I find there are a lot of Italians who are.
mimi |
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That'll work.
Moe Szyslak
Finally -- a plan!
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01.07.08 - 5:52 am | #
mimi:
The pure laine are the neo-cons of Quebec!
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01.07.08 - 5:52 am | #
And the plan weaves BDSM into prayer, too!
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01.07.08 - 5:53 am | #
Morning peeps.
Wow, the overnight thread is a virtual hate on Hillary with all sorts of misrepresentations. I'm really glad I've decided to not pay too much attention. I listened to Michelle Obama do a stump speech and she was marvelous. Talked about needing two incomes and thus not having anyone home after school for the kiddies. Convinced me that Obama will be just fine if he becomes the nominee.
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The most painful thing was watching his young wife be completely unable to deal with it.
plantsman, bulbalicious
I would *like* for this to be my specialty, but so far I'm a highly theoretical clinical social worker.
Great time for the economy to hit the skids, me with 80K in student debt . . . starting to think seriously about doctorate . . . need a drink . . .
V for Virginia |
01.07.08 - 5:54 am | #
she wasn't even indépendantiste!
his other g-f has the medical building at Laval U named after him.
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01.07.08 - 5:54 am | #
At Holiday Time, TV runs a several minute appeal by Sarah McLachlan for the ASPCA about sponsoring rescue and care for abandoned and abused pets. The first time I saw it, I thought, "What an odd charity and cause to choose."
But it's grown on me.
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01.07.08 - 5:55 am | #
'morning, ql.
I'm not getting terribly invested, myself. I have some inclinations and dis-, but as long as the next president is not a 'thug and we get serious control of Congress I'll be fine.
now to get back to normal so as not to scare too many people:
@*%!!°§ you plantsman!
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01.07.08 - 5:57 am | #
she wasn't even indépendantiste!
I said neo=con, not indépendantiste.
Two different things.
Allthough both are quite fascistic in their own ways.
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01.07.08 - 5:58 am | #
Virginia, that is an unkempt field. The stroke victim could not control his needs, and his spouse could not control her desire to flee. To be able to assist in a situation like that would be wonderful indeed.
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01.07.08 - 5:59 am | #
What did I do, now?
plantsman, bulbalicious |
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01.07.08 - 6:00 am | #
mimi:
As you discovered pure laine is racist to the Nth degree.
aangus: |
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01.07.08 - 6:00 am | #
plantsman, I was kidding.
mimi |
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01.07.08 - 6:02 am | #
For reasons previously discussed, ferreting out when people are kidding is rather difficult anymore.
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when will democrats elect a pres that governs as a true dem?
ryagun and smirk came through for their right wing base, giving the wealthy massive gains, paying back the religous right with all sorts of gifts, paid back the mouthbreathers on regressive social policy.
not since lbj have we had a democratic pres that worked for its base. clinton attempted to be pres of all people and wall st fucked him.
will obama be more of the same?
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OTTAWA — A federal advisory panel will unveil a long-term climate-change strategy Monday that is expected to back the idea of a carbon tax aimed at substantially reducing greenhouse gas emissions by mid-century, The Globe and Mail has learned.
The proposal will put pressure on both the Harper government and the Liberal Opposition, which have rejected a carbon tax that would penalize oil producers in the West most heavily.
The recommendation will raise a number of questions on Parliament Hill; specifically, whether a carbon tax is inevitable, who would collect the revenue, and how much a tonne of carbon is worth.
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talking to a pure laine was lying being questioned by the Nazis about your racial background.
they would try all kinds of tricks to find out my ethnic background, even during job interviews, which of course is not legal.
they seemed to think that being half German meant that I was English in their twisted logic. My ancestors and the English had been at war for over a century and I had a really bad French accent when I first learned to speak.
I also didn't look French, since I am Nordic-looking. I heard that one a lot.
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01.07.08 - 6:04 am | #
In the days I lived in West Berlin, everybody involved with the Germans and The Four Powers seemed to hate everybody else. It was crazy-making!
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01.07.08 - 6:07 am | #
The denialsts have reached a sort of critical mass over at the Globe & Mail comment page, shouting down any voice of reason, scaring off the rest. I once posted a rather lukewarm comment about a GW issue, and was given untold grief for the rest of the day in the comments. Not that I cared, but I see why others don't comment. The result: pretty much all the commenters are nutty right-wingers.
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yeah, I hate that kind of atmosphere. You kind of have to worry about what you're saying in case you praise someone that someone else hates or something.
However, in Montreal, there were no nuclear weapons involved. At least, none that I was aware of.
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Anne Kornblut and The Devil Herself keeps us apprised of the events in NH in today's WaPo:
moe, it sounds like CSPAN call ins. Those people are nuts. I rarely turn it on anymore which is too bad because I used to like to listen.
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You kind of have to worry about what you're saying in case you praise someone that someone else hates or something.
Nah!!!
If you project that you really don't give a shit they back down quickly.
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So, Moe, how long until the next election?
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01.07.08 - 6:14 am | #
One thing is for sure. Both Barack and Hillary have a hundred million dollars. Neither will withdraw before February 5th.
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So, Keith's gonna Have BillO/Obama Staffer Puppet Theatre tonight. This should be good.
plantsman, bulbalicious |
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01.07.08 - 6:16 am | #
Morning, yada yada.
Barndog, not burning |
01.07.08 - 6:17 am | #
Scabro whoring for BushCo.
Schuster sticking it to Scabro.
Mika characteristically ineffective.
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01.07.08 - 6:18 am | #
So, Moe, how long until the next election?
aangus:
That's anyone's guess. No set election dates here. But it looks like the Liberals are getting ready for it, finally, which means it may happen as early as this spring. It's easy, tho, to get caught up in this and predict elections that don't happen. I'm content to wait until an election is actually called before I get worked up about it.
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01.07.08 - 6:19 am | #
The key to Mika is that guests open up to her. I sense she feels bridled having to tolerate Joe's assholishness constantly -- but I can't help but like her.
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01.07.08 - 6:20 am | #
Oh, update on the Michigan primary:
We get to vote for Hillary, Dodd, Gravel & Kucinich.
Guess I'll vote for Dennis.
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Most off-putting headline of the morning:
Dr. Phil visits Britney in hospital
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01.07.08 - 6:21 am | #
Dr. Phil visited at the request of Britney's parents. Ew.
plantsman, bulbalicious |
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01.07.08 - 6:22 am | #
Fuckin' Kristol's first column in the NYT today.
Must.Resist.
res ipsa loquitur |
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01.07.08 - 6:22 am | #
Nice you Michigander Dems at least have a choice beyond HRC.
plantsman, bulbalicious |
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01.07.08 - 6:23 am | #
Morning res.
Going to work today?
qlª Back Home |
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01.07.08 - 6:23 am | #
I'm content to wait until an election is actually called before I get worked up about it.
aangus: |
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01.07.08 - 6:23 am | #
Nice you Michigander Dems at least have a choice beyond HRC
She was the only choice we'd thought the DNC had given us.
Barndog, not burning |
01.07.08 - 6:24 am | #
Slanties in Canadia!
plantsman, bulbalicious |
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01.07.08 - 6:24 am | #
Take two:
I'm content to wait until an election is actually called before I get worked up about it.
How are you feeling?
V for Virginia |
01.07.08 - 6:26 am | #
THE RING IS A SLED!!!!!
attaturk |
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01.07.08 - 6:26 am | #
I've already sent in my Edwards ballot for the Arkansas primary, but for the Democrats Abroad primary (more convention votes than North Dakota!) I'm seriously considering a Gravel protest vote (the abroad people are overwhelmingly Clintonistas).
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01.07.08 - 6:26 am | #
Fuckin' Kristol's first column in the NYT today.
Must.Resist.
res ipsa loquitur
Don't worry, I took care of it.
attaturk |
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01.07.08 - 6:26 am | #
Moe, did you put your asparagus crowns in last year?
plantsman, bulbalicious |
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01.07.08 - 6:26 am | #
Good morning.
res I couldn't resist. He actually quotes Malkin.
Lawdy.
HoneyBearKelly |
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01.07.08 - 6:28 am | #
Don't worry, I took care of it.
Thank you. I'll check that out later, if you don't mind.
aangus: |
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01.07.08 - 6:28 am | #
plantsman, my asparagus is on year four. I'm thinking next fall I'll collect the seeds, tho, see what I can do with them.
Moe Szyslak |
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01.07.08 - 6:28 am | #
Wow! Should have a nice crop, then!
plantsman, bulbalicious |
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01.07.08 - 6:29 am | #
moe, you get to vote twice? Once as an Arkansan and once as an American living abroad? That doesn't seem right.
qlª Back Home |
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01.07.08 - 6:29 am | #
QL, Yes, must go in.
I'm starting to agree with Ann Coulter re the NYT.
res ipsa loquitur |
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01.07.08 - 6:30 am | #
'morning, HoneyBear. When do you speak with the overlord who controls your very destiny?
V for Virginia |
01.07.08 - 6:31 am | #
He actually quotes Malkin.
Didn't need to know that, thank you.
aangus: |
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01.07.08 - 6:31 am | #
good morn to all of you! just catching up on the early am chat and want to second plantsman's recommendation of Shadow of the Wind- wonderful read.
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01.07.08 - 6:31 am | #
Yesterday, I saw Nigella (Lawson, is it?) Having a very good time making serrano Jamon quesadillas, and I realized; I'm no more obsessed with food than a lot of people!
plantsman, bulbalicious |
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01.07.08 - 6:32 am | #
V today or tomorrow.
Have to take it in my stride.
People saying that this election is over is starting to piss me off.
HoneyBearKelly |
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01.07.08 - 6:33 am | #
Haloscan, it's too early for this.
Moe Szyslak |
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01.07.08 - 6:33 am | #
Wow.
It's going to be in the 60s until Wednesday.
Al Gore's fat.
HoneyBearKelly |
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01.07.08 - 6:35 am | #
Let me try this again:
Moe Szyslak |
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01.07.08 - 6:35 am | #
Al Gore's fat.
And rich and happy, too.
plantsman, bulbalicious |
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01.07.08 - 6:35 am | #
Hmmm. Haloscan evidently doesn't like my witty response to ql. I'll try one last time:
moe, you get to vote twice? Once as an Arkansan and once as an American living abroad? That doesn't seem right.
qlª
Yep, I get to vote twice in the primaries. Hey, I don't make the rules.
They obviously appreciate the objective wisdom of those of us living abroad, hee.
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01.07.08 - 6:36 am | #
People saying that this election is over is starting to piss me off.
HoneyBearKelly
Seems a little early . . .
V for Virginia |
01.07.08 - 6:36 am | #
It's going to be in the 60s until Wednesday.
This happened last January, too, albeit for an extended period. All the bulbs came up.
res ipsa loquitur |
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01.07.08 - 6:36 am | #
I am so upset. Our local pbs station was re-running I, Claudius. I would have dvred it had I known. I love that show.
qlª Back Home |
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01.07.08 - 6:37 am | #
Time to go battle the temporarily resolute people at the gym. See ya'all later.
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01.07.08 - 6:37 am | #
I am so upset. Our local pbs station was re-running I, Claudius. I would have dvred it had I known. I love that show.
qlª Back Home
It's wonderful. I keep meaning to see if Netflix has it -- Mr. V didn't see it the first time around. He loved Rome, which I didn't get into; I think he'd love I, Claudius.
V for Virginia |
01.07.08 - 6:40 am | #
When Scabro takes a bathroom break, the Scabro show is actually bearable. See Mika and Schuster gabbing right now ...
res ipsa loquitur |
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01.07.08 - 6:41 am | #
My BP at hospital admission was 232/132
plantsman, bulbalicious
Wow. I'm on BP meds, don't think it's ever been above 160/110, which was plenty bad enough.
Wow. Glad you made it!
D.Derbes, Chi Sch o Phys |
01.07.08 - 6:41 am | #
Morning, kids. What's shaking?
I am off to gym once I get the boy on the bus.
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01.07.08 - 6:41 am | #
I am so upset. Our local pbs station was re-running I, Claudius. I would have dvred it had I known. I love that show.
WHYY.
I was watching it last week when I was in Pa.
I'll make you a copy of mine if I can figure out how to do it.
HoneyBearKelly |
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01.07.08 - 6:41 am | #
Anyway, been up all night.
Time to get some ZZZZZZZZZs.
Oh my God, its Hitlerbee on yhe Teevee!
Help meZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ........
aangus: |
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01.07.08 - 6:41 am | #
Netflix has I Claudius.
Molly Ivors |
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01.07.08 - 6:44 am | #
V I guess I could make 2 copies.
First I have to figure out how to do it.
HoneyBearKelly |
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01.07.08 - 6:44 am | #
Why's Scabro going after Falafel Boy?
res ipsa loquitur |
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01.07.08 - 6:45 am | #
Netflix has:
I, Claudius (5-Disc Series)
plantsman, bulbalicious |
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01.07.08 - 6:45 am | #
HBK - I would love you forever.
qlª Back Home |
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01.07.08 - 6:46 am | #
O'Reilly assaulted an Obama staffer, then claimed he had never touched him. Keith's also hot about this.
plantsman, bulbalicious |
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01.07.08 - 6:46 am | #
Has CHuck Schuster endorsed anyone?
Molly Ivors |
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01.07.08 - 6:47 am | #
Chuck Schumer, David Shuster?
plantsman, bulbalicious |
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01.07.08 - 6:48 am | #
My favorite PBS series.
FeralLiberal |
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01.07.08 - 6:48 am | #
I do not trust any Democrat who has the support of nbc
Liars for Bush |
01.07.08 - 6:49 am | #
It's been my theory that David Chase made The Sopranos as an homage to I, Claudius.
He even named the mother Livia.
HoneyBearKelly |
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01.07.08 - 6:49 am | #
I slept until 3PM on Sunday, but I need to get up at 8AM today. Yeech...
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01.07.08 - 6:49 am | #
Chuck Schecter hasn't endorsed anyone either.
res ipsa loquitur |
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01.07.08 - 6:49 am | #
It's been my theory that David Chase made The Sopranos as an homage to I, Claudius.
Heh. That's not a bad theory, HBK.
res ipsa loquitur |
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01.07.08 - 6:50 am | #
Chai Claudius, only at Starbucks
Gilly Gonzylon |
01.07.08 - 6:51 am | #
omg, huckleberry on Scarborough with his running mate Chuck Norris.
Cookie Fleck `08 |
01.07.08 - 6:51 am | #
Chuck Todd has not endorsed anyone, either.
Nor has Todd Bridges.
Nor has Jeff Bridges, come to think of it.
res ipsa loquitur |
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01.07.08 - 6:51 am | #
Scarbro says: "The Dimmicratic Party doesn't own me, The Republican Party doesn't own me..." but I think we know the truth.
plantsman, bulbalicious |
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01.07.08 - 6:51 am | #
Nor has Jeff Bridges, come to think of it.
res ipsa loquitur | Homepage | 01.07.08 - 6:51 am | #
Jeff Bridges has a great website. He's a funny guy.
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01.07.08 - 6:52 am | #
HBK -- that's cool, thanks. I'll get it from Netflix.
Good morning, Molly. Rested, refreshed, ready to take 'em on again?
V for Virginia |
01.07.08 - 6:52 am | #
Ah.
The all important Lebowski endorsement.
A nation turns it's lonely eyes to you.
HoneyBearKelly |
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01.07.08 - 6:52 am | #
It's been my theory that David Chase made The Sopranos as an homage to I, Claudius.
He did name Tony's mother after Livia but he said the character was based on his real mother.
Cookie Fleck `08 |
01.07.08 - 6:53 am | #
The all important Lebowski endorsement.
HoneyBearKelly | Homepage | 01.07.08 - 6:52 am | #
The Dude likes Edwards
Gilly Gonzylon |
01.07.08 - 6:53 am | #
Apparently, I've managed to make the least popular Firedoglake post ever!
If I had dvrer it I could watch it whenever I wanted and not have to worry about returning it to Netflix, of which I am not a member.
qlª Back Home |
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01.07.08 - 6:54 am | #
Good morning, gang. It's actually nearly warm here in S.E. MI. How goes?
filkertom | Homepage | 01.07.08 - 6:54 am | #
Low 40s in socal. That's pretty rare.
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01.07.08 - 6:55 am | #
ql, go to netflix.com and check out the various membership options -- it's truly NOT onerous!
plantsman, bulbalicious |
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01.07.08 - 6:56 am | #
Good morning, gang. It's actually nearly warm here in S.E. MI. How goes?
Fucking. Muddy.
Barndog, not burning |
01.07.08 - 6:56 am | #
Edwards!!!
Damn it all.
Off to work.
Hasta luego.
HoneyBearKelly |
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01.07.08 - 6:56 am | #
He did name Tony's mother after Livia but he said the character was based on his real mother.
Ouch.
I'll bet that made Thanksgiving uncomfortable.
Molly Ivors |
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01.07.08 - 6:56 am | #
Livia Soprano was a great character. Nancy Marchand was one of the best.
Gilly Gonzylon |
01.07.08 - 6:58 am | #
Yeah, well, BD, with the thaw comes mud. What's it usually like where you are, Gilly?
filkertom |
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01.07.08 - 6:58 am | #
Morning trifecta, what's on the shirt today?
plantsman, bulbalicious |
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01.07.08 - 6:58 am | #
the politics of hope
the politics of smear and lies more like it'
Axelrod is known for operating in this gray area, part idealist, part hired muscle. It is difficult to discuss Axelrod in certain circles in Chicago without the matter of the Blair Hull divorce papers coming up. As the 2004 Senate primary neared, it was clear that it was a contest between two people: the millionaire liberal, Hull, who was leading in the polls, and Obama, who had built an impressive grass-roots campaign. About a month before the vote, The Chicago Tribune revealed, near the bottom of a long profile of Hull, that during a divorce proceeding, Hull’s second wife filed for an order of protection. In the following few days, the matter erupted into a full-fledged scandal that ended up destroying the Hull campaign and handing Obama an easy primary victory. The Tribune reporter who wrote the original piece later acknowledged in print that the Obama camp had “worked aggressively behind the scenes” to push the story. But there are those in Chicago who believe that Axelrod had an even more significant role — that he leaked the initial story. They note that before signing on with Obama, Axelrod interviewed with Hull. They also point out that Obama’s TV ad campaign started at almost the same time. Axelrod swears up and down that “we had nothing to do with it” and that the campaign’s television ad schedule was long planned.
Liars for Bush |
01.07.08 - 6:59 am | #
It hit 54 degrees yesterday, 4 days before that it was -6.
FeralLiberal |
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01.07.08 - 7:00 am | #
Yeah, well, BD, with the thaw comes mud
Then it'll snow again, followed by more mud. Rinse, repeat.
What happened to the winters of the 60's & 70's? When it snowed, it stayed until springtime?
Barndog, not burning |
01.07.08 - 7:00 am | #
QL - the dem nom fight will not stop on feb 5th. It will go all the way to the convention. This will be a delegate counting fight. In the end, Hillary will put enough delegates together by beg, borrow or steal.
Most state primaries are on delegate sharing basis. No winner take all states.
ecoast |
01.07.08 - 7:00 am | #
What's it usually like where you are, Gilly?
filkertom | Homepage | 01.07.08 - 6:58 am | #
Souther Cali? When it gets into the 50s, people break out the furs. When it rains, regularly scheduled programming is interrupted with "Storm Watch '08" coverage. Lotsa rain over the weekend. My sneakers are still soaked!
Gilly Gonzylon |
01.07.08 - 7:01 am | #
He did name Tony's mother after Livia but he said the character was based on his real mother.
Cookie Fleck `08
Damn, that's one scary mother!
Molly -- sure, it counts. If the pain=gain math equation is correct, and if you don't get between Moe and his treadmill.
I'm going to try to walk a little more. I jumped, fell, and was pushed into the Holiday Feeding Frenzy pool. And now I must pay.
V for Virginia |
01.07.08 - 7:01 am | #
What happened to the winters of the 60's & 70's? When it snowed, it stayed until springtime?
Barndog, not burning | 01.07.08 - 7:00 am
Al Gore, the DFH.
filkertom |
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01.07.08 - 7:01 am | #
It hit 54 degrees yesterday, 4 days before that it was -6
Just what I'm talking about. Sometimes, this state really irks me.
And, I'm not referring to state government.
Barndog, not burning |
01.07.08 - 7:02 am | #
It must be nearly exactly new Moon.
plantsman, bulbalicious |
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01.07.08 - 7:03 am | #
Gilly -- yeesh. Yeah, my dad in Florida is freaking out for much the same -- they had a dusting of snow last week, and people Just Stayed Home a lot. I've seen him in a sweater in 70° weather, while I was in shorts and a T-shirt and looking for the pool.
filkertom |
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01.07.08 - 7:03 am | #
GWPDA was having a steady rain in Phoenix yesterday, with 2+ inches predicted for the Valley.
plantsman, bulbalicious |
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01.07.08 - 7:04 am | #
I've seen him in a sweater in 70° weather, while I was in shorts and a T-shirt and looking for the pool.
filkertom
Happens all the time, here: People on the beach, playing in the surf; me in the house wearing thermals, wrapped in a blanket in my armchair.
V for Virginia |
01.07.08 - 7:04 am | #
I currently have a blanket over my head. Back in the midwest, there was always that 1 day in February when the temp would get up into the low 50s and people would walk around in T shirts. Heh
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01.07.08 - 7:04 am | #
BD -- we do get fairly lucky, I think. I mean, yeah, we get a couple hefty snowfalls over a season, but nothing like those house-hiders in New England. Chicago takes the hit for us, and the lake effect shunts some or most of it down I-94 to nail Canada and northern Ohio.
filkertom |
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01.07.08 - 7:05 am | #
mixed veggies on the shirt today.
trifecta |
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01.07.08 - 7:05 am | #
GWPDA was having a steady rain in Phoenix yesterday, with 2+ inches predicted for the Valley.
plantsman, bulbalicious | Homepage | 01.07.08 - 7:04 am
That's what my Mom said. She lives in Fountain Hills, and the weather problem is not snow so much as the occasional rockslide.
filkertom |
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01.07.08 - 7:06 am | #
Very colorful. Nice.
plantsman, bulbalicious |
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01.07.08 - 7:06 am | #
mixed veggies on the shirt today.
trifecta | Homepage | 01.07.08 - 7:05 am |
www.bustedtees.com - great T shirts
Gilly Gonzylon |
01.07.08 - 7:06 am | #
mixed veggies on the shirt today.
trifecta | Homepage | 01.07.08 - 7:05 am
ecoast, one of the most important stories is how fired up the Dems are compared to the rethugs. Dems turned out 2 to 1 for the Iowa caucuses. It sounds like the same kind of thing is going to happen in NH.
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01.07.08 - 7:07 am | #
But the cactus should be in fine bloom this spring -- I remember when Fountain Hills was an entrance and an access road with fountains in the median and nothing more.
plantsman, bulbalicious |
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01.07.08 - 7:08 am | #
tait wants to feed himself now. He really sucks at it still. lol
trifecta |
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01.07.08 - 7:09 am | #
Good morning.
What happened to the winters of the 60's & 70's? When it snowed, it stayed until springtime?
Barndog, not burning
When I got bored on the third day of being snowed in in the 1970s, I would go out and dig a snow cave. It usually would drift back in overnight.
Was out riding my bike yesterday and tipped over on some black ice. At least I've broken the cherry on my new bike.
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01.07.08 - 7:09 am | #
A kos diary quoted at HuffPo:
Why so many of us support John Edwards RATHER than Obama: because:
"Happy Talk, Hope, and Fairy Dust will run into a BUZZSAW of GOP/Neo Robber Baron opposition that will CRUSH all those pretty notions of "change" . . .
"[I] got very turned off, not at "hope" (hell, I hope, too!) but at what I consider to be a milquetoasty naivete that hope alone, that a willingness to be conciliatory, that wishful thinking and a willingness to compromise -- before even beginning to join the fight -- will do anything but (again) leave a large swath of the American citizenry under the heel of the most powerful corporations in the world, and a hellofalot of stunned Obama supporters wondering if anyone got the number of the truck that ran 'em all down in the weeks and months following Inauguration Day 2009.
I for one have grown weary of Democrats who tremble in fear at the thought of confrontation over fundamental issues. I am mystified by milquetoast Democratic proclamations of comity and cooperation with Republics who have repeatedly and without apology blocked, trampled upon and derided efforts by Democrats to pass legislation that would benefit the vast majority of Americans, or that would ensure protection of the civil liberties of Americans.
Democrats must be unapologetic and, indeed, fiercely combative in their pursuit of what is right for the American people. Anything less, particularly in light of the undeniable history of scorn demonstrated by Republic officeholders toward the interests of individual Americans over the past seven years, is pathetic and inexcusable. "
Molly Ivors |
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01.07.08 - 7:09 am | #
Speaking of colorful shirts, I got a nice one in Kauai. Have yet to do a post on it.
smitty w, nacho novo |
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01.07.08 - 7:10 am | #
tait wants to feed himself now. He really sucks at it still. lol
And, if you happened to walk away for a second, it would be all over the place. Even moreso than now I mean.
Barndog, not burning |
01.07.08 - 7:10 am | #
Dems turned out 2 to 1 for the Iowa caucuses.
To be fair, a lot of them were Republicans and Independents, about whose participation I am, shall we say, skeptical.
Molly Ivors |
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01.07.08 - 7:11 am | #
Molly,
Found reasonable and well-timed flights from Milwaukee to Philly yesterday. I think I'll be able to pull it off.
FeralLiberal |
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01.07.08 - 7:11 am | #
going to start really cooking peas well, and letting him try to feed himself.
Pureed food not so much.
trifecta |
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01.07.08 - 7:11 am | #
Molly I. -- yeah. Oh frickin' yeah.
Any word on EschaCon stuff, btw?
filkertom |
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01.07.08 - 7:12 am | #
Speaking of colorful shirts, I got a nice one in Kauai. Have yet to do a post on it.
smitty w, nacho novo | Homepage | 01.07.08 - 7:10 am | #
I love Kauai. Some of the best food I've ever eaten, and some of the nicest people anywhere.
Gilly Gonzylon |
01.07.08 - 7:12 am | #
I for one have grown weary of Democrats who tremble in fear at the thought of confrontation over fundamental issues. I am mystified by milquetoast Democratic proclamations of comity and cooperation with Republics
yeah voting present makes a stand
Liars for Bush |
01.07.08 - 7:12 am | #
Morning, rational people.
Diane C. Barking-Mad |
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01.07.08 - 7:12 am | #
All kinds of delicious ahi on Kauai.
smitty w, nacho novo |
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01.07.08 - 7:13 am | #
QL - One scenario could be if Hillary gets enoujgh delegates, she can take Obama in the VP slot to capture all that youth vote in the general. For this to happen, she has to win some primaries decisively and lead in delegate count by march. She will get most of the 300 or so super delegates.
ecoast |
01.07.08 - 7:13 am | #
'mornin'
Found this article interesting, as a retired surgeon just finishing law school. Also true: there's a great deal of dissatisfaction among docs and lawyers. One thing not mentioned in the article is that nowadays, half or more of graduates are women; I've heard it argued, by both sexists and those bemoaning society's sexism, that the decline in prestige in both professions partly follows therefrom:
Make no mistake, law and medicine — the most elite of the traditional professions — have always been demanding. But they were also unquestionably prestigious. Sure, bankers made big money and professors held impressive degrees.
But in the days when a successful career was built on a number of tacitly recognized pillars — outsize pay, long-term security, impressive schooling and authority over grave matters — doctors and lawyers were perched atop them all.
Now, those pillars have started to wobble.
“The older professions are great, they’re wonderful,” said Richard Florida, the author of “The Rise of the Creative Class: And How It’s Transforming Work, Leisure, Community and Everyday Life” (Basic Books, 2003). “But they’ve lost their allure, their status. And it isn’t about money.”
Medicine, in particular, unlike law, is close to a job guarantee at six figures. It's worth thinking about why so many docs aren't happy. Much of it has to do with the huge erosion in physician authority--nowadays, you fight with insurers, are (God forbid) questioned by patients, argued with by uppity nurses, threatened by lawyers and so on, while struggling to pay off six-figure debts as a wage earner in a group practice. Not the same as it was, for better as well as for worse...
ProfWombat |
01.07.08 - 7:13 am | #
All kinds of delicious ahi on Kauai.
smitty w, nacho novo | Homepage | 01.07.08 - 7:13 am | #
Tell me about it. There's a place around 20 mi north of the airport in Kapaa (sp), that was so good it almost moved me to tears.
Gilly Gonzylon |
01.07.08 - 7:14 am | #
tait wants to feed himself now. He really sucks at it still. lol
trifecta
We were at Bok Sanctuary yesterday, and there was a little girl who had just invented this new thing called "running." She was toddling downhill like a drunk; grandmother was way behind freaking out; dad was beside the kid letting her toddle.
It was adorable. (She stayed upright!)
V for Virginia |
01.07.08 - 7:14 am | #
weird weather today. It was 23 for a high last wednesday. Going to be 68 today.
trifecta |
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01.07.08 - 7:15 am | #
I said it last week, I'll say it this week, I'll continue to say it until Feb. 5: With a quasi-national primary on Feb. 5, nothing but money matters. The Obama campaign was spending a lot of money upfront to gain some momentum in the early primaries, but I think Hillary strategically was doing the thing that we all hate to hear about: Keeping her powder dry for Super Duper Tuesday.
smitty w, nacho novo |
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01.07.08 - 7:16 am | #
ProfWombat
We have two young docs in our family and one of them is not practicing
because she hates the medical profession
Liars for Bush |
01.07.08 - 7:16 am | #
To be fair, a lot of them were Republicans and Independents, about whose participation I am, shall we say, skeptical.
Molly Ivors
Thank you. And the polling for Obama in NH is making me nervous, too.
*sigh*
When you've seen this much underhanded, illegal, conniving, thieving, scheming, fraudulent activity, it's hard to sort out the genuine cause for concern from the paranoia.
I mean, they ARE actually out to get us.
V for Virginia |
01.07.08 - 7:16 am | #
There's a place around 20 mi north of the airport in Kapaa (sp), that was so good it almost moved me to tears.
Gilly Gonzylon
Roughly where I bought my great shirt.
smitty w, nacho novo |
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01.07.08 - 7:16 am | #
Medicine, in particular, unlike law, is close to a job guarantee at six figures. It's worth thinking about why so many docs aren't happy.
ProfWombat | 01.07.08 - 7:13 am | #
My ex brother in law is an emergency room physician and wishes to open up a classic car restoration business instead of practicing medicine. The guy never smiles.
Gilly Gonzylon |
01.07.08 - 7:17 am | #
In hospital, nurses are front-line caregivers and doctors mostly make rounds and pontificate. RN's are better diagnosticians than specialized physicians and there are sound reasons for tensions between the professions.
plantsman, bulbalicious |
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01.07.08 - 7:17 am | #
smitty w -- and if Edwards continues to get slowly-building grassroots money, it's gonna get even more interesting.
filkertom |
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01.07.08 - 7:17 am | #
Medicine, in particular, unlike law, is close to a job guarantee at six figures. It's worth thinking about why so many docs aren't happy. Much of it has to do with the huge erosion in physician authority--nowadays, you fight with insurers, are (God forbid) questioned by patients, argued with by uppity nurses, threatened by lawyers and so on, while struggling to pay off six-figure debts as a wage earner in a group practice. Not the same as it was, for better as well as for worse...
ProfWombat | 01.07.08 - 7:13 am
Lady Anne is actually pretty happy with her job (OB/GYN), but she speaks fondly of retiring to Florida and working in a Disney World gift shop.
filkertom |
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01.07.08 - 7:19 am | #
smitty w -- and if Edwards continues to get slowly-building grassroots money, it's gonna get even more interesting.
Well, the year-end figures from the FEC ought to be telling. But go over to opensecrets.org to see where things stand. I hadn't really checked into this until yesterday, but I was amazed to see how far ahead both Obama and Clinton are of the Republicans. Only Romney comes close, and even then he had to loan himself a shitload of money.
smitty w, nacho novo |
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01.07.08 - 7:19 am | #
PS: I don't know fuck-all about the medical professions and will be quiet now.
plantsman, bulbalicious |
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01.07.08 - 7:20 am | #
Speaking of the elections, the US Supreme Court will hear arguments on Wednesday in a case involving Voter ID.
The decision is due out by June, which will affect the November elections.
Diane C. Barking-Mad |
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01.07.08 - 7:20 am | #
smitty w -- even Paul? I thought he'd figured out how to jimmy the ATMs or somethin'.
filkertom |
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01.07.08 - 7:21 am | #
I mean, they ARE actually out to get us.
V for Virginia
At the risk of boring y'all, I'm still shocked at the rethug woman who happily told the reporter she was gonna attend a Dem caucus and do everything she could to derail Hillary. She also mentioned that she had several girlfriends who were gonna do the same thing. While legal, it certainly isn't cricket, and she had no compunctions against speaking up about it. Damn, they have no shame whatsoever. Naive of me to suppose otherwise.
Damnit haloscan.
qlª Back Home |
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01.07.08 - 7:21 am | #
I for one am glad it's warm (57 here today) since I have to shut off the heat to fix a slow leak in the system this morning.
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01.07.08 - 7:22 am | #
As for the doctor/lawyer situation:
Once upon a time, doctors and lawyers got outsized pay in any community they lived in compared to everybody else. That difference has been compressed over the last 20-30 years. Then you consider that the average doctor has $100,000+ in debt coming out of school AND they have to live wretchedly for the first four years after graduating (they don't start careers until they get into their early 30s). (Lawyers live wretchedly as junior associates, but at least they get paid more). Is it any wonder they get fed up?
smitty w, nacho novo |
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01.07.08 - 7:22 am | #
plantsman: the nurses and the docs need each other desperately. A doc who spends five to ten minutes at a hospitalized patient's bedside simply isn't making the observations a good nurse is making. A nurse, meanwhile, simply hasn't had the doc's training, and isn't nearly as good at thinking outside the box when diagnoses are unclear, obscure or atypical of the setting. Calling what a doc does 'pontificating' has a degree of truth to it, alas, but only a degree; to the extent that it's a complete discussion of what a doc does, the doc isn't doing the job.
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01.07.08 - 7:22 am | #
smitty w -- even Paul? I thought he'd figured out how to jimmy the ATMs or somethin'.
filkertom
Paul only raised about $5-$10 mill. It was quite a phenomenon when it happened, or so I hear, but he doesn't have jack compared to Romney or Rudy!.
(Gravel's figures are laughable.)
smitty w, nacho novo |
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01.07.08 - 7:24 am | #
Dear ProfW, please see my "PS" comment. Just venting.
plantsman, bulbalicious |
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01.07.08 - 7:24 am | #
And, trust me: malpractice insurance ain't gettin' any cheaper.
filkertom | Homepage | 01.07.08 - 7:25 am | #
My doctor retired early because of this.
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01.07.08 - 7:26 am | #
plantsman: you're a patient with a chronic disease requiring meticulous management of both patient and physician. You know enough about the medical profession to have an opinion. I have different facts in my possession, from a different perspective. But you and I would be fools to dismiss your sense of what happens in medicine, a profession supposedly centered on the patient's needs above all else.
ProfWombat |
01.07.08 - 7:26 am | #
OTOH, Walgreen's now has this "discount Club" gimmick for Rx's for folks without insurance. Forcing peeps who don't have money to pay money to get better prices on scrips.
plantsman, bulbalicious |
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01.07.08 - 7:28 am | #
...& tonight is Mark Crispin Miller @ SHOOT THE MESSENGER, if anyone wants to go!!!
i'll be there!
n69n |
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01.07.08 - 7:28 am | #
filk: malpractice insurance actually is getting cheaper for some specialties, notably anaesthesiology, which aggressively promotes high and uniform standards of care, and some locations, notably Texas, which have passed pain-and-suffering damages caps...
ProfWombat |
01.07.08 - 7:28 am | #
QL - here in DC area, one radio talk show guy said he is changing his registration from indy to Dem to vote against Hillary in MD primary. no other reason. He told his listeners (this is rush/hannity station) to do the same. I want Hillary if for no other reason than this kind of hate from repubs.
ecoast |
01.07.08 - 7:29 am | #
Bill Richardon is an ass and he should just get out. He is acting like someone's uncle who dribbles on himself at dinner
Liars for Bush |
01.07.08 - 7:29 am | #
For the record: Hillary has raised $90 million to Obama's $80 million, but had spent $4 million less and had $14 million more cash on hand. Edwards was at $30 million.
Romney had raised $62 million to Rudy's $47 million, but Romney had $17 million in debts (probably loan from himself to himself). Ron Paul had raised $8 million. Huckabee, interestingly, has raised only $2 million, so he's toast, if not this week, by Feb. 5.
These are all as of the end of Q3, of course, so there may have been changes since.
smitty w, nacho novo |
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01.07.08 - 7:31 am | #
Richardson is a disgrace. He burnt his bridges with Clintons after swining Obama way in Iowa primary. He is hoping to get VP slot from Obama.
No way in hell.
ecoast |
01.07.08 - 7:31 am | #
plantsman -- some of the local stores in Ann Arbor, and I presume their parent chains (KMart, Meijer) have been offering very-low-cost and even free prescriptions for some of the most common drugs. As in, Cipro, free. Three months of lisinopril (for hypertension), $15. No membership, you just take in your scrip. Seriously, it's worth checking out your local stores.
filkertom |
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01.07.08 - 7:31 am | #
Let all the evil Goopers who wanna vote in the Democratic primary to "derail" Hillary do so. It
doesn't make their candidates one iota more palatable.
plantsman, bulbalicious |
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01.07.08 - 7:31 am | #
Actually, "cross-voting" has a long history in primaries, and it really isn't limited to just Republicans wanting to shut out a particular Democratic candidate.
In states with 'open primaries,' Democrats have been known to cross-over as well.
Diane C. Barking-Mad |
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01.07.08 - 7:32 am | #
He is hoping to get VP slot from Obama.
I don't see that happening at all.
Hecate also says he was a disaster as energy secretary.
Molly Ivors |
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01.07.08 - 7:33 am | #
I think you guys'll like today's XKCD. If you're not familiar with it, there's a second punch line if you hold the pointer over the strip.
filkertom |
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01.07.08 - 7:33 am | #
A poll I saw said 56% of NH independents intend to vote in the Democratic primary, vs. 44% in the GOP prmary.
plantsman, bulbalicious |
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01.07.08 - 7:34 am | #
In states with 'open primaries,' Democrats have been known to cross-over as well.
Diane C. Barking-Mad | Homepage
that's why California doesn't have open primaries anyone
Liars for Bush |
01.07.08 - 7:34 am | #
Well, I'm off to work.
Keep this place warm for me and enjoy the day.
Diane C. Barking-Mad |
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01.07.08 - 7:35 am | #
Let all the evil Goopers who wanna vote in the Democratic primary to "derail" Hillary do so. It
doesn't make their candidates one iota more palatable.
plantsman, bulbalicious | Homepage | 01.07.08 - 7:31 am
Exactly. Any of our people -- hell, Biden, hell, Gravel has a better chance, provided we all got behind him. I think they're trying to delude themselves into how marvelous their eventual nominee is going to be, because they can see for themselves they ain't got shit this time around.
filkertom |
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01.07.08 - 7:35 am | #
Goddamn tags. Should preview more.
filkertom |
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01.07.08 - 7:36 am | #
Damn, they have no shame whatsoever. Naive of me to suppose otherwise.
Of course they don't. It's the thing our trolls demonstrate so frequently -- the most important thing is winning, as though policy didn't matter and the future of the world wasn't at stake.
They know as well as we do that the last 2 presidential elections were stolen; they simply don't care -- even in light of the disastrous ramifications.
V for Virginia |
01.07.08 - 7:36 am | #
Expect MSNBC to vid a series of lurid Born in The Wrong Party mockumentaries.
plantsman, bulbalicious |
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01.07.08 - 7:36 am | #
filk: interesting how often libertarian tropes show up in science fiction. Both appeal to an adolescent sense of what freedom's about; neither, in most cases, hold up to serious adult scrutiny.
ProfWombat |
01.07.08 - 7:36 am | #
cnn set up the fake Obama story
Clinton never said he was anti choice
the campaign said he is not a leader on these issues
Obama is a big fat liar and when the goopers start pounding on him --his whinny little prancing around won't help because the media will have turned on him.
he climbed into bed with the media and they will kill him. The nbc debate was a set up and then the SNL appearance.
Liars for Bush |
01.07.08 - 7:36 am | #
LfB is a hysterical contrarian misanthrope. Or not.
plantsman, bulbalicious |
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01.07.08 - 7:39 am | #
The most hilarious fundraiser of all is Alan Keyes. Of course, he's a hilarious human being, but not hilarious ha ha.
smitty w, nacho novo |
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01.07.08 - 7:40 am | #
ProfWombat -- I suppose that's why I'm not as big a fan of Heinlein as many of my fellows. Or of Pournelle, or Drake, or....
Lois McMaster Bujold, on the other hand, with her egalitarian aristocracy, can damn near do no wrong.
filkertom |
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01.07.08 - 7:40 am | #
At the risk of making anyone cranky, Molly's post on MoDo yesterday is a definite winner
qlª Back Home |
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01.07.08 - 7:42 am | #
LfB is a hysterical contrarian misanthrope. Or not.
plantsman, bulbalicious | Homepage | 01.07.08 - 7:39 am
LfB, ecoast, whatever. Maybe I'm just sheltered, but do lefties troll red sites like this? I mean, just showing up, launching a few out-of-the-blue sockpuppet ad-hominem attacks, and tiptoeing out, their "mission" accomplished?
filkertom |
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01.07.08 - 7:42 am | #
filk: yup, her and others. With you 100%. Tell you the truth, it's nice to run across a science fiction story once in a while that reminds me of why I loved the stuff so much as a kid, but doesn't embarrass me in my late 50s. Doesn't happen often, but it does happen...
ProfWombat |
01.07.08 - 7:42 am | #
ql -- yeah, that's a good 'un. And MoDo is trying way too hard to look like Susan Sarandon, which is really sad in its own way.
filkertom |
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01.07.08 - 7:45 am | #
I didn't read all your comments, Molly, but... referring to Johnny Mathis, in that context, is "racist"? I mean, I can hear "Chances Are" in my head as I write this. Would it have been equally racist to invoke Nat King Cole, I wonder...?
filkertom |
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01.07.08 - 7:48 am | #
Would citing Kenny G be racist? Or ... no ... wait .....
smitty w, nacho novo |
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01.07.08 - 7:49 am | #
From WaPo, a crush called out:
During a question-and-answer session with reporters after the speech, Matthews asked Clinton how her plan to get out of Iraq is different from Obama's. She started describing her plan. He interrupted to insist she distinguish it from her rival's. Here's how it went from there:
"Well, you guys can figure out the difference," she said.
"No," Matthews interrupted, "you tell us the difference."
"I'm not on your show," she retorted. "I'm trying to answer the question."
"Please come on the show," Matthews implored.
"I never understood why you're obsessed with me," she replied. "Honestly, I've never understood it."
Molly Ivors |
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01.07.08 - 7:50 am | #
Okay, you all have shown remarkable restraint either not reading or at least not commenting on Kristol's maiden op ed. I recommend the snark on it over at huffpo: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/
ma...mi_b_80057.html
noblejoanie |
01.07.08 - 7:50 am | #
Mathis is responsible for the lethally saccharine It's the Most Wonderful Time.....
This alone should condemn him for all eternity.
plantsman, bulbalicious |
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01.07.08 - 7:50 am | #
Would citing Kenny G be racist? Or ... no ... wait .....
Depends upon the context, I would suppose.
There is this: What's the difference between Kenny G and a sub-machinegun?
The sub-machinegun repeats the same sound 30 times then stops.
Supreme Commander Thor |
01.07.08 - 7:51 am | #
Would it have been equally racist to invoke Nat King Cole, I wonder...?
I didn't invoke Barry White, but only because I thought that implied full sex rather than necking.
You don't put on Barry White unless you're serious.
Molly Ivors |
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01.07.08 - 7:51 am | #
noblejoanie,
I forgot it was today!
Molly Ivors |
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01.07.08 - 7:52 am | #
Atrios, you'd be able to have popcorn watching the Tolkien version.
watertiger |
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01.07.08 - 7:53 am | #
Molly's post is well worth reading:
I know it's considered strident and un-coral to point this out, but they're fucking Republicans. I don't care that they're disappointed in the sociopath they've given us for eight years. Clearly, their hatred of the Clintons burns as strong as Maureen's (which is undoubtedly why she chose them). Why do these people get to choose my candidate? It's bullshit. It may make MoDo feel better about seducing William Kristol, but these people are fucking scorched-earth lunatics who have destroyed the economy and the planet and landed us in a war in which there are no good options. Fuck them, and fuck polite bipartisanship. Maureen's new crush on the erstwhile "Prince Barack" may make her cocktail parties more pleasant, but it's not going to do one goddamn thing for ordinary Americans.
Yup.
nj: Kristol's a vile, sanctimonious, intellectual sloppy Bushist who really doesn't seem to have noticed that a few hundred thousand people have died in Iraq, among much else he celebrates without cause or critical sensibility. You could alomst quote any part of that column and be appalled.
ProfWombat |
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Some Democrats are licking their chops at the prospect of a Huckabee nomination. They shouldn’t be. For one thing, Michael Bloomberg would be tempted to run in the event of an Obama-Huckabee race — and he would most likely take votes primarily from Obama. But whatever Bloomberg does, the fact is that the Republican establishment spent 2007 underestimating Mike Huckabee. If Huckabee does win the nomination, it would be amusing if Democrats made the same mistake in 2008.
Bloomberg would take votes from Obama!? Man, Kristol must have been dropped on his head repeatedly as a child. Can we do it some more?
filkertom |
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01.07.08 - 7:53 am | #
At the risk of making anyone cranky, Molly's post on MoDo yesterday is a definite winner
qlª Back Home
She (Molly) is so fucking good.
V for Virginia |
01.07.08 - 7:53 am | #
Letter to the Editor, NY Times
When it became clear in Left Blogostan (some days in advance of your actual announcement), that Bill Kristol was to be a regular columnist in the Times, there was much wailing and gnashing of teeth. Many of my fellow travelers were angered that a man who has been so wrong for so long is getting such a prestigious podium from which to wax nonsensical. Why doesn't the Times give Juan Cole a column? Cole, after all, was right, which distinguishes him from most of your regulars.
My own position was a little different.
I'm very fond of the Times. These are tough times for newspapers. I am worried that Kristol might prove to be another Judith Miller, cozy with power, heedless of facts. But it's an ill wind that doesn't blow down a few billboards. As his column makes plain today, he can serve as a wonderful distractor. If only they will take his advice, the GOP will enjoy the same easy success and happy outcome your new columnist predicted for our troops in Iraq.
He writes "Some Democrats are licking their chops at the prospect of a Huckabee nomination. They shouldn’t be." Well, let's see how it plays out.
Here is a governor from a Southern, somewhat backward state, a born again Christian, victorious against an addiction, no record and no experience at all on the national level. He seems to be a down to earth sort of guy, comfortable in his own skin, but probably not unusually bright and stunningly ill-informed. (Did you know that Pakistanis were the second largest group to make their way to the US across the Rio Grande? Neither did anyone besides Mike Huckabee.) How can he fail to win the nomination, with crackerjack analysts like Bill Kristol singing his praises?
This country tried ignorant for eight years. It didn't work. And Bill is telling us, Try it again! Huckabee is Bush 2.0.
I hope the Republicans take his advice. I do not think the country will. So maybe the Times has done the country a favor.
(I'm not including all the usual contact information. This isn't for publication, it's for you.)
D.Derbes, Chi Sch o Phys |
01.07.08 - 7:54 am | #
Just beat me on mentioning it, noblejoanie!
filkertom |
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01.07.08 - 7:54 am | #
Barnicle just attacked Tim Russert in his pajamas on msnbc.
I think these doods need more sleep.
Joe Scar upset because Huckabee, McCain Rudy, and Romney are all liberals.
I have news for Joe Scar. The idea that conservatives really want to cut spending only applies when they not in power.
Culture of TrÜth |
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01.07.08 - 7:55 am | #
Atrios
Will you be seeing Die Walkure at the Met?
My spouse and I will be there, and would love to meet you.
Janice |
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01.07.08 - 7:56 am | #
There is this: What's the difference between Kenny G and a sub-machinegun?
The sub-machinegun repeats the same sound 30 times then stops.
Supreme Commander Thor | 01.07.08 - 7:51 am
Bwahahahaha! The banes of my songwriting life are repetitious choruses and "soulful" wailing.
filkertom |
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01.07.08 - 7:57 am | #
What makes any of these jokers think the majority of Americans want Conservative anything?
plantsman, bulbalicious |
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01.07.08 - 7:57 am | #
"I never understood why you're obsessed with me," she replied. "Honestly, I've never understood it."
If you missed the Simpsons last night, you missed a thing of beauty.
Molly Ivors |
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01.07.08 - 7:59 am | #
Even more bizarre, why does Tucker Carlson believe Hillary personally wants to castrate him?
plantsman, bulbalicious |
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01.07.08 - 7:59 am | #
I have news for Joe Scar. The idea that conservatives really want to cut spending only applies when they not in power.
Culture of TrÜth | Homepage | 01.07.08 - 7:55 a
I'm just astonished that they still hype themselves on cutting taxes, and that people still buy that.
filkertom |
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D.Derbes, Chi Sch o Phys
Great letter!
V for Virginia |
01.07.08 - 7:59 am | #
Even more bizarre, why does Tucker Carlson believe Hillary personally wants to castrate him?
plantsman, bulbalicious | Homepage | 01.07.08 - 7:59 am
Belief, or deeply-held fantasy...? Either way, ew.
filkertom |
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01.07.08 - 8:00 am | #
Just what does "comfortable in one's own skin" mean, exactly? Does that mean "at ease"? If so, why don't people say "at ease"?
smitty w, nacho novo |
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01.07.08 - 8:00 am | #
we love 'Hil' in these parts. And we love the progressive, feminist vision she embodies. For example, her hiring of Mark Penn to run her campaign. Mark is a great American:
Penn has worked for Hillary Clinton "for over six years, since he ran the polling and messaging for her election to the US Senate in 2000."
Of the hundreds of powerful, national lobbyists in bed with the Clintons, let's look at the #1 man running her campaign.
Who is Mark Penn, and who are his clients? He is CEO of Burson-Marsteller (B-M), and his own polling company, Penn, Schoen & Berland Associates (PSB). The aptly-acronymed B-M is the world's worst offender of public relations spin, defending the most irresponsible corporations for their most offensive behavior. This includes the tobacco industry, big oil, nuclear power, and mercenary firms like Blackwater. (Yes, after the 16 September 2007 massacre in which Blackwater mercenaries killed 17 innocent civilians in Baghdad, Burson-Marsteller was hired to improve Blackwater's image.)
In the interest of time, let's focus on just one of Mark Penn's clients: the tobacco industry and his ties to them. Forgive the lengthy quotes, but I can't do any better than the ever-useful Bob Burton (and Rampton and Stauber) at PRwatch.org, who wrote the following expose of Penn and Clinton:
"For decades, Mark Penn and his opinion polling company have advised the tobacco industry on how to counter the campaigns of the tobacco control movement."
Karl LaFong |
01.07.08 - 8:00 am | #
LfB, ecoast, whatever. Maybe I'm just sheltered, but do lefties troll red sites like this? I mean, just showing up, launching a few out-of-the-blue sockpuppet ad-hominem attacks, and tiptoeing out, their "mission" accomplished?
filkertom | Homepage | 01.07.08 - 7:42 am | #
get a job asshole
what bridge do you live under |
01.07.08 - 8:01 am | #
Tell you the truth, it's nice to run across a science fiction story once in a while that reminds me of why I loved the stuff so much as a kid, but doesn't embarrass me in my late 50s. Doesn't happen often, but it does happen...
ProfWombat
Ain't it the truth?
When I consider what I read as a child, and the ideas I was raised around, it's a wonder I can think at all today....
Rmj, New Angst 4 New Year |
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01.07.08 - 8:01 am | #
Carlson has said a number of time on his eponymous show that when he "sees Hillary, he reflexively brings his legs together."
plantsman, bulbalicious |
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01.07.08 - 8:02 am | #
Even more bizarre, why does Tucker Carlson believe Hillary personally castrated him?
plantsman, bulbalicious
flagged your taxi
SteveLG |
01.07.08 - 8:03 am | #
Belief, or deeply-held fantasy...? Either way, ew.
filkertom
Let's be fair, if you were Hillary, you'd probably want to castrate him.
Hell, it's crossed my mind and I'm not Hillary.
JR, kerosene and a match | Homepage | 01.07.08 - 8:02 am
Nah. I just wanna dump his books.
filkertom |
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01.07.08 - 8:04 am | #
Just what does "comfortable in one's own skin" mean, exactly? Does that mean "at ease"? If so, why don't people say "at ease"?
smitty w, nacho novo
Crash Davis: You're gonna have to learn your clichés. You're gonna have to study them, you're gonna have to know them. They're your friends. Write this down: "We gotta play it one day at a time."
Ebby Calvin LaLoosh: Got to play... it's pretty boring.
Crash Davis: 'Course it's boring, that's the point. Write it down.
Rmj, New Angst 4 New Year |
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01.07.08 - 8:05 am | #
Actually, I hate the phrase "comfortable in his own skin", but the Sabbath Gasbags use it all the time. "At ease" is much better. (Fewer words are always better.)
Thanks, smitty & V.
D.Derbes, Chi Sch o Phys |
01.07.08 - 8:05 am | #
Oh, and RMJ is right about the clichés and Bull Durham. My wife's favorite movie, after Godfather.
D.Derbes, Chi Sch o Phys |
01.07.08 - 8:07 am | #
Let's be fair, if you were Hillary, you'd probably want to castrate him.
Hell, it's crossed my mind and I'm not Hillary.
JR, kerosene and a match
I think it, JR goes there.
Which reminds me: I was walking down a street in Tampa on Saturday and a Scientologist offered me a free personality test!
The sound that accompanied the "HAH!" that came out of me startled not only the Scientologist, but Mr. V and, frankly, me.
V for Virginia |
01.07.08 - 8:08 am | #
It's only about 630 comments too late to say: Kill the Wabbit!
Agog |
01.07.08 - 2:39 pm | #
Wagnerian Music Drama? Is Atrios gonna visit my blog?
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01.07.08 - 2:57 pm | #
Going to see La Scala's broadcast of Tristan und Isolde? I'll take in the live from the Met one in a few weeks.
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