Journalists are continually bombarded with rumors, often scurrilous. They are not news. Rumors only become news when they concern Bill and Hillary Clinton. They are fair game.
Fleetwood Mac's Rumours album was The Album of 1977.
Unrepentant Fenian |
11.17.07 - 3:46 pm | #
I think some journalists actually seem to start a rumor, or at least a meme, which is then discussed widely. Tweety comes to mind here.
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11.17.07 - 3:47 pm | #
Journalists are continually bombarded with rumors, often scurrilous. They are not news. Rumors only become news when they are confirmed, cross-checked and responded to by the target of the attack.
This explains why Joke Line is not a journalist.
He's a hack.
He doesn't even listen to his own advice.
Apprentice to Darth Holden |
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11.17.07 - 3:47 pm | #
I heard a rumor that Joe Klein has sex with armadillos. It would be unresponsible not to speculate.
spinoza, non ridere, non luger |
11.17.07 - 3:47 pm | #
or maybe this is what Joe Klein meant:
Journalists are continually bombarded with rumors, often scurrilous. They are not news. Rumors only become news when we get faxed the daily talking points memo from the RNC.
r€nato, aka Warren Christmas |
11.17.07 - 3:47 pm | #
hadenough was just talking about Novak's latest, which Obama apparently fell for.
pie |
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11.17.07 - 3:47 pm | #
I heard a rumor that Mickey Kaus blows goats. It would be irresponsible to spread it, though.
Hecate, Runnymeade Conspirator |
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11.17.07 - 3:47 pm | #
Time started a Joke that left the whole world laughing.
JeffCO |
11.17.07 - 3:48 pm | #
I heard a rumor that Joe Klein has sex with armadillos. It would be unresponsible not to speculate.
As long as he's not blowing goats, it's OK.
He won't offend Mickey Kaus by horning in on Kaus' action.
Apprentice to Darth Holden |
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11.17.07 - 3:48 pm | #
Journalists are continually bombarded with rumors, often scurrilous. They are not news. Rumors only become news when they are confirmed, cross-checked and responded to by the target of the attack
Completely true. You save information like that to write books.
General Zod |
11.17.07 - 3:48 pm | #
I heard a rumor that Mickey Kaus blows goats. It would be irresponsible to spread it, though.
Hecate, Runnymeade Conspirator | Homepage | 11.17.07 - 3:47 pm | #
He also blows zygotes.
Bjorn,a poor young country boi |
11.17.07 - 3:48 pm | #
He won't offend Mickey Kaus by horning in on Kaus' action.
Don't worry. He is somewhat sheepish.
spinoza, non ridere, non luger |
11.17.07 - 3:48 pm | #
OK, refreshing fizzy beverage to Hecate.
I wish you people would stay out of my haid!
Apprentice to Darth Holden |
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11.17.07 - 3:49 pm | #
I was thinking the other night that the journalistic ethics in politics should include a ban on being friendly with the people they are supposed to write about. Being friends with someone will affect the writing.
Echidne |
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11.17.07 - 3:49 pm | #
I heard a rumor that Joe Klein has sex with armadillos.
That's scurrilous, irresponsible, and a blot on the page of serious journalism.
It should go like this: "people say that Joe Klein has sex with armadillos."
Bourgeois Liberal |
11.17.07 - 3:49 pm | #
Hee, Diane. Takes a bow, starts a long speech thanking Rush Limbaugh, Tweety and Ann Coulter.
Echidne |
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11.17.07 - 3:51 pm | #
I got a flat tire on the way home. A v. nice young man stopped and changed it for me in about 5 minutes, flat. Wouldn't take a penny or even tell me his name, but I did have several bottles of wine in the trunk, having just been to the store, so I gave him a bottle of wine. Now, I feel bad that I didn't make him take some money. He looked as if he could have used it.
Hecate, Runnymeade Conspirator |
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11.17.07 - 3:51 pm | #
I was thinking the other night that the journalistic ethics in politics should include a ban on being friendly with the people they are supposed to write about. Being friends with someone will affect the writing.
Going to the same cocktail parties has an insidious, degrading effect on professionalism.
Apprentice to Darth Holden |
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11.17.07 - 3:51 pm | #
Completely true. You save information like that to write books.
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Zod, buddy -- you slumming again?
steve simels |
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11.17.07 - 3:52 pm | #
I have now donned thermal underwear. Winter may come.
Echidne |
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11.17.07 - 3:53 pm | #
It's cold and rainy out there. Blech.
pie |
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11.17.07 - 3:53 pm | #
I was thinking the other night that the journalistic ethics in politics should include a ban on being friendly with the people they are supposed to write about.
Come on, every "journalist" should eat quail at Karl Rove's house.
Richard |
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11.17.07 - 3:53 pm | #
Did A's post get suddenly longer?
Hecate, Runnymeade Conspirator |
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11.17.07 - 3:53 pm | #
ECHIDNE!
Good post there. Also liked the pics of the buffalo and the reclining lynx.
Bourgeois Liberal |
11.17.07 - 3:54 pm | #
Some people say there's a rumor that Zod periodically pretends not to have severe emotional problems but then always melts down into ugliness. I agree it is irresponsible not to speculate.
JeffCO |
11.17.07 - 3:54 pm | #
Bourgeois Liberal, the top post is my great weekend blogger, olvlzl.
Echidne |
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11.17.07 - 3:55 pm | #
Did A's post get suddenly longer?
He had just come out of the pool before.
JeffCO |
11.17.07 - 3:55 pm | #
wow, Joe Klein discovered that Robert Novak might, in fact, be a partisan hack masquerading as a Serious, Thoughtful Columnist!
Next thing you know, he's going to allege that Fox News Channel is a propaganda organ of the GOP!
r€nato, aka Warren Christmas |
11.17.07 - 3:55 pm | #
rumor has it that Zod blow coyotes.
Didn't the Chili Peppers records a song like that? True men don't blow coyotes, or something like that?
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William H. Rehnquist |
11.17.07 - 3:55 pm | #
Zod had a nice comment about torture from the recently departed thread:
The problem with any kind of torture used to extract information is that it doesn't work. That a discussion debating the use of waterboarding is even entertained shows how low this country has sunk.
This is another reason to totally repudiate it, along with the obvious moral reasons. Yet the democrats, having a chance to show their outrage by not confirming the latest Attorney General, showed themselves as the complete and utter pussies that they are. Useless fucks.
Not only is torture not effective in obtaining usable intelligence, it's a waste of resources that could be better spent on other methods.
Of course, this assumes that gatherining useful intelligence is the actual objective of the entire effort. If you are, say, Dick Cheney, the real reason for the torture is to get your rocks off.
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11.17.07 - 3:56 pm | #
every "journalist" should eat quail at Karl Rove's house.
What's all this about eating Dan Quayle?
I know he was a pretty shitty VP, but cannibalism??!
Bourgeois Liberal |
11.17.07 - 3:56 pm | #
I don't remember that particular story. There were so many.
I don't know whether I'm glad or sad that the internet wasn't then what it is today.
I think glad though.
pie |
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11.17.07 - 3:56 pm | #
Didn't the Chili Peppers records a song like that? True men don't blow coyotes, or something like that?
O-oh. This is where the thread will turn into a music one.
Echidne |
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11.17.07 - 3:56 pm | #
Since someone mentioned the 9 pound breast again, let me repeat my thread killing post on turkee smoking:
I've smoked many a turkey, and will smoke another this year. Brining is essential, even if you're using a smoker with a water pan. You can also add more moisture by injecting some of the brine solution into the meat. The only concern is that you can make the bird too salty. I go with a fresh hen that I buy from a local farm, which is not pre-injected with a saline solution and, thus, doesn't get too salty tasting if I both brine and inject. If you're going with a store-bought, salt-injected bird, consider cutting down the amount of salt in the brine (which I do anyway). I like to concentrate on flavors in the brine (like apples and garlic) rather than jacking up the salt content into the stratosphere.
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William H. Rehnquist |
11.17.07 - 3:56 pm | #
O-oh. This is where the thread will turn into a music one.
Echidne | Homepage | 11.17.07 - 3:56 pm | #
Well, at least this time it won't be me hijacking it...
steve simels |
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11.17.07 - 3:58 pm | #
William H. Rehnquist,
I bought a brined turkey once and it was was too salty for my taste. I think that I generally have a lower tolerance for salt than most folks. Anyway, this year, we're eating out so I don't have to buy or cook a turkey (yeah!).
Hecate, Runnymeade Conspirator |
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11.17.07 - 3:59 pm | #
from below
As reported on Keith last night, nearly half the earmarks that w is whining about were put into the budget at the WH's request. including $s for poppy's thousand points of light foundation. Neat trick that, set up a foundation and have the taxpayers fund it. Scum. Would be nice if the corporatist media reported on this.
ql vaginal American |
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11.17.07 - 3:59 pm | #
If you are what you eat, this would explain today's journalism.
Well, at least Feuerbach interpreted the world correctly, which is more than you can say for Joke Line et al.
Bourgeois Liberal |
11.17.07 - 3:59 pm | #
...adding that unlike some I never really thought Klein was to blame for this. Primary Colors was satirical fiction, and if other Villagers decided the things in there were true that wasn't his fault. But, nonetheless, who can forget the Clinton love child.
When the Village is destroyed, it won't be in order to save it.
Not at all.
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11.17.07 - 3:59 pm | #
half the earmarks that w is whining about were put into the budget at the WH's request. including $s for poppy's thousand points of light foundation. Neat trick that, set up a foundation and have the taxpayers fund it.
Excuse me, has anyone seen watertiger's desk?
Hecate, Runnymeade Conspirator |
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11.17.07 - 4:00 pm | #
And yet, somehow, I care more deeply that my front door is ugly than I do about Joe Klein or Drudge.
I know. I should try harder. The zeitgeist is waiting.
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GWPDA, yclept Irate Scholar |
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11.17.07 - 4:01 pm | #
What did I miss? I had to go sell a TV
dmark, still at work |
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11.17.07 - 4:01 pm | #
have a nice nap Steve.
therealhellkitty |
11.17.07 - 4:01 pm | #
I bought a brined turkey once and it was was too salty for my taste. I think that I generally have a lower tolerance for salt than most folks.
Me too. That's why I stopped buying store-bought and cut the hell out of the salt content of any brine recipe I use. You can still get a moist bird. And you can taste other flavors besides the overwhelming taste of salt.
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William H. Rehnquist |
11.17.07 - 4:02 pm | #
half the earmarks that w is whining about were put into the budget at the WH's request. including $s for poppy's thousand points of light foundation. Neat trick that, set up a foundation and have the taxpayers fund it.
My rational blogtroll argued that Bush vetoed the funding because of all the Democratic pork in it.
Echidne |
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11.17.07 - 4:02 pm | #
...but it isn't the way things work for Mickey Kaus and Tweety and Politico and all sorts of other "respectable" players in the news media.
I think an even better example is whatshisface at the NYT, responsible for breaking the "news" about Whitewater and Wen Ho Lee. He's supposed to be an actual reporter; the guys listed above can be excused (even if wrongfully so) because they're part of the commentariat.
Oh, and Judy Miller.
liberal |
11.17.07 - 4:03 pm | #
This is the brine I'll be using/modifying. I think it'll not be too salty.
# 1 turkey, about 12 pounds
# The brine:
# 1 cup sugar
# 1 1/2 to 1 3/4 cups kosher salt
# 2 1/2 gallons cold water
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GWPDA, yclept Irate Scholar |
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11.17.07 - 4:03 pm | #
You can still get a moist bird.
Laborious but effective: baste the living crap out of the motherfucker.
Bourgeois Liberal |
11.17.07 - 4:03 pm | #
http://noquarterusa.net/blog/200...hat-is-torture/
[I]t seems to me that it’s newsworthy when a person in that position [Manfred Nowak, the United Nations Special Rapporteur on Torture] says (1) waterboarding is unequivocally torture and (2) that U.S. officials must be held to account by international courts — specifically, that it was a good thing for several groups to have pursued Rumsfeld on his recent trip to Paris but that French jurists dropped the ball by not indicting him. Nowak goes further, generalizing about the use of torture as practiced by authoritarian/dictatorial regimes, brings in some historical discussion, and talks about the optimistic trend he sees, internationally, against torture.
Frankly, it’s a disgrace that the mainstream media has not been talking to Nowak about his views.
1Watt, Hermit |
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11.17.07 - 4:03 pm | #
My rational blogtroll argued that Bush vetoed the funding because of all the Democratic pork in it.
The republican expenditures are chicken.
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William H. Rehnquist |
11.17.07 - 4:04 pm | #
Alton Brown has a pretty good method for brining poultry.
I am fortunate that I don't have to cook this year...but we will have to go and sample some of SIL's turkey a la incinerator.
Or rather chickenhawk.
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William H. Rehnquist |
11.17.07 - 4:04 pm | #
I think an even better example is whatshisface at the NYT, responsible for breaking the "news" about Whitewater and Wen Ho Lee. He's supposed to be an actual reporter; the guys listed above can be excused (even if wrongfully so) because they're part of the commentariat.
You're talking about the slimemold that is Jeff Gerth.
Pravda on the Hudson has yet to apologize for passing off fiction as news in these two cases.
Apprentice to Darth Holden |
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11.17.07 - 4:04 pm | #
And yet, somehow, I care more deeply that my front door is ugly than I do about Joe Klein or Drudge.
I know. I should try harder. The zeitgeist is waiting.
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GWPDA, yclept Irate Scholar
Rmj, Would Prefer Not To |
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11.17.07 - 4:04 pm | #
One of the problems with brining is that some people use regular salt instead of kosher salt. I brined a turkey last year but also rinsed it briefly. It wasn't salty at all. Diamond Crystal kosher salt is even less salty than Morton.
pie |
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11.17.07 - 4:04 pm | #
kosher salt is key. Not all salt is the same, just like not all pasta is the same.
r€nato, aka Warren Christmas |
11.17.07 - 4:05 pm | #
basting is wholly innefective. Once the meat has released the water you can't get it back in.
therealhellkitty |
11.17.07 - 4:05 pm | #
One of the problems with brining is that some people use regular salt instead of kosher salt.
People are very strange, I've found.
pie! Go to sfgate.com's Food section for some really stunning receipts. You'll like them. I shall be able to use my last month's pickling activities in quite a few of them!
GWPDA, yclept Irate Scholar |
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11.17.07 - 4:06 pm | #
GWPDA, yclept Irate Scholar , I use a similar brine but sometimes use honey instead of sugar and will add some other herbs. This is absolutely the best way to do turkey that I have found.
dmark, still at work |
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11.17.07 - 4:07 pm | #
but we will have to go and sample some of SIL's turkey a la incinerator.
Nothing says family Thanksgiving like bone dry Turkey. My grandmothers were polar opposites in just about every way, except for one thing: they both had a talent for extracting every bit of moisture from any meat they cooked. Sawdust turkey. Tough, granular pot roast. You name it.
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William H. Rehnquist |
11.17.07 - 4:07 pm | #
Go to sfgate.com's Food section for some really stunning receipts.
the Oregonian has a really good food section and open 6 month archive.
therealhellkitty |
11.17.07 - 4:07 pm | #
Jeeez,
tent the turkey with foil, and about 1/2 hour before it's done, rip the foil off and raise the temp of whatever you are cooking it in to brown the skin.
GWPDA, yclept Irate Scholar , I use a similar brine but sometimes use honey instead of sugar and will add some other herbs. This is absolutely the best way to do turkey that I have found.
I vouch for this. I've been brining since 2004. I always use honey, rosemary, bay leaves, I forget what other herbs.
Like I mentioned earlier, I use a plastic garbage bag, carefully squeeze most/all of the air out and then tie it very tightly and leave it in a cooler outside overnight. I think one time I actually used the cooler as the brining container, just placing all the goodies in the cooler and then putting the turkey in there.
r€nato, aka Warren Christmas |
11.17.07 - 4:09 pm | #
We focus on the so called journalists when this stuff is out there, but what about the people cooking it up and spreading it?
That is the story that is rarely told in the media. Why? Because it would be about how the media are dupped and manipulated ALL THE TIME. And they don't want you to know it. They lower end people (Washington Times) won't cover it because they use it. And the higher end people try and distance themselves but they are manipulated too.
Who are the people spreading this crap? The PR people, the oppo research people, the insider tipsters who feed crap to Drudge because they know it will then go through the machine like water through a pipe.
The people who are doing now what Brock did back before he found he soul are still out there spreading it and they NEVER get exposed. You see for them they ARE doing their job. They are successful when Drudge picks up their line. When one of their stupid lines or themes gets "out there" and focus the "real media" to comment on it then they win.
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11.17.07 - 4:09 pm | #
kosher salt is key.
Wasn't this one of the Ten Commandments? The one that came after coveting wives?
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William H. Rehnquist |
11.17.07 - 4:09 pm | #
The reason kosher salt is less briney is that it has bigger grains so their is less of it in a measure.
lipreader |
11.17.07 - 4:09 pm | #
I'm going to make, as usual, comprehensively stuffed squash for Thanksgiving. No turkey, no bumpkin pie. Probably Death by Chocolate Orgasms for dessert.
Echidne |
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11.17.07 - 4:09 pm | #
there...not their...sorry, been celebrating OSU's victory over someone.
lipreader |
11.17.07 - 4:10 pm | #
Sawdust turkey. Tough, granular pot roast. You name it.
I may have to cook after all. Our company had the annual fall potluck Thursday. We have decided that when we interview people in the future we are going to require a cooking sample. "oh, you know we have a PHd who does excellent pie, can you do sauces?" The CFO suggested that we get out of the education services business and open a restaurant. Two refrigerators were jammed full of great food.
I'm throwing the damned thing on the grill, guys. It will be smoked there. It's going to be brined in advance because, as any halfway decent cook is aware, 9lbs of turkey breast is starting out as one of the dryest things outside of - well, outside of my actual environment. Brining is not the same as 'salting down' nor is it pickling. It's okay. It's really not the first time I've done this stuff.
And I do like the SFChronicle's recommendation to use juniper berries. Instead of that, however, I think I'll throw some vermouth into the brine.
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GWPDA, yclept Irate Scholar |
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11.17.07 - 4:11 pm | #
The other thing that will make for a moist turkey is convection cooking. Either in a convection oven or a kettle type grill
dmark, still at work |
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11.17.07 - 4:11 pm | #
White meat is highly overrated.
lipreader |
11.17.07 - 4:11 pm | #
Wasn't this one of the Ten Commandments? The one that came after coveting wives?
It was the one before the one about not killing husbands of wives you coveted to make them widows on the rebound.
Apprentice to Darth Holden |
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11.17.07 - 4:12 pm | #
William H. Rehnquist
Well for pork they were told that they had to cook the sh*t out of so you didn't get worms.
Since commercial food pigs no longer eat garbage, this hasn't been a problem in decades. (This is from my Food Science book)
spocko |
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11.17.07 - 4:12 pm | #
klein:
"But you must understand that this is a smear that tarnished both Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama."
novak is an ass. Anybody that takes a thing that piece of shit says seriously is a bigger ass. [That's why the orange stupid melt down. The shiny thing is not so shiny any more.]
hadenough |
11.17.07 - 4:12 pm | #
We have decided that when we interview people in the future we are going to require a cooking sample.
"oh, you know we have a PHd who does excellent pie, can you do sauces?" The CFO suggested that we get out of the education services business and open a restaurant. Two refrigerators were jammed full of great food.
I never understood the irrational Clinton hatred or why the washington press corp was so infected with it.
It was kind of like high school. And it still is
fourlegsgood, FREE BRKLYNGIRL |
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11.17.07 - 4:13 pm | #
Obama and his gang of simpletons fell for Novakula's trap.
Rove is rubbing his hands in glee right now.
Apprentice to Darth Holden |
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11.17.07 - 4:14 pm | #
naps are good things.
watertiger |
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11.17.07 - 4:14 pm | #
Just a quick drive-by to note that strong coffee laced with Trader Vic's Macadamia Nut Liquour is DA BOMB.
Roadmaster, Milwaukee Office |
11.17.07 - 4:14 pm | #
It was kind of like high school.
that's all you really need to know to understand it. It's high school with money, power, ashtrays and cocktail weenies.
r€nato, aka Warren Christmas |
11.17.07 - 4:14 pm | #
novak is an ass. Anybody that takes a thing that piece of shit says seriously is a bigger ass.
I hate that fucker.
fourlegsgood, FREE BRKLYNGIRL |
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11.17.07 - 4:14 pm | #
It was the one before the one about not killing husbands of wives you coveted to make them widows on the rebound.
Was that before or after the one about blatocysts being human beings with full human beingy rights?
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William H. Rehnquist |
11.17.07 - 4:14 pm | #
The other thing that will make for a moist turkey is convection cooking.
Or, joo know, joo could always just hunt eet down and eat eet raw.
Best though to have some other gatos around to help, some of those cabrones get downright mean.
I never understood the irrational Clinton hatred or why the washington press corp was so infected with it.
It was kind of like high school. And it still is
fourlegsgood, FREE BRKLYNGIRL
It's because he came from nothing, wasn't born with a silver coke spoon in his nose. The American dream is not for real Americans.
lipreader |
11.17.07 - 4:14 pm | #
that's all you really need to know to understand it. It's high school with money, power, ashtrays and cocktail weenies.
r€nato, aka Warren Christmas
So it's just like high school; without the football.
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11.17.07 - 4:15 pm | #
Like I mentioned earlier, I use a plastic garbage bag, carefully squeeze most/all of the air out and then tie it very tightly and leave it in a cooler outside overnight.
Um. Arthur.
Otherwise, d'accord. I'll find a nice place for it where it's safe.
GWPDA, yclept Irate Scholar |
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11.17.07 - 4:15 pm | #
that's all you really need to know to understand it. It's high school with money, power, ashtrays and cocktail weenies.
r€nato, aka Warren Christmas
So it's just like high school; without the football.
Rmj, Banned in Boston
But with a lot of the sophomoric fraternity pranks.
Well for pork they were told that they had to cook the sh*t out of so you didn't get worms.
Was that the origin of Baco-bits?
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William H. Rehnquist |
11.17.07 - 4:16 pm | #
I was just giving general tips to the unwashed commentariat, GWPDA. I would never presume to lecture you about how to cook
r€nato, aka Warren Christmas |
11.17.07 - 4:17 pm | #
So it's just like high school; without the football.
And unlike high school, the girls aren't hot.
So it pretty much sucks ass.
fourlegsgood, FREE BRKLYNGIRL |
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11.17.07 - 4:17 pm | #
I never understood the irrational Clinton hatred or why the washington press corp was so infected with it.
It was kind of like high school. And it still is
fourlegsgood, FREE BRKLYNGIRL
It's because he came from nothing, wasn't born with a silver coke spoon in his nose. The American dream is not for real Americans.
A lot of people say that the Clintons were rude. That's why it's better to have Bush and wars and nukes.
Echidne |
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11.17.07 - 4:17 pm | #
Was that before or after the one about blatocysts being human beings with full human beingy rights?
I dont' think the Dobsonite drones have forged enough signatures to get that one into the approval hopper yet.
Apprentice to Darth Holden |
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11.17.07 - 4:17 pm | #
I have an ash juniper tree in full berry right outside my back door.
I'll be happy to send anyone a big envelope full in advance of Christmas. I don't think that they are toxic..and they do make a nice aroma in potpourri
One tip I read about cooking a brined turkey is to cook it breast side down for the first 30-40 minutes, then turn it.
mer |
11.17.07 - 4:18 pm | #
Um. Arthur.
Otherwise, d'accord. I'll find a nice place for it where it's safe.
A couple years ago a friend of mine's lab ate most of a turkey and the plastic wrapper too.
(luckily he didn't die)
But a couple of days later my friend found himself pulling the plastic wrapper out of the dog's butt.
Don't U just love thanksgiving?
fourlegsgood, FREE BRKLYNGIRL |
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11.17.07 - 4:19 pm | #
It's because he came from nothing, wasn't born with a silver coke spoon in his nose. The American dream is not for real Americans.
The Horatio Alger story is good propaganda, but we can't let it happen for real.
Because if it does, they'll just come into our Village and trash the place.
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11.17.07 - 4:19 pm | #
I would never presume to lecture you about how to cook
r€nato, aka Warren Christmas
Well, not country food, no. Italian - by all means!
It's probably time for me to repost the wonderful picture of my Grandfather GWPDA standing amongst the turkeys at his turkey ranch, in Tulsa, about 1947. He'd sell the bastards - but he wouldn't kill 'em. You had to buy one and take it to the butcher down the road.
GWPDA, yclept Irate Scholar |
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11.17.07 - 4:19 pm | #
Shoot. I need fresh basil for the sauce for chicken parmesan.
Off to the store.
pie |
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11.17.07 - 4:20 pm | #
But a couple of days later my friend found himself pulling the plastic wrapper out of the dog's butt.
Don't U just love thanksgiving?
fourlegsgood, FREE BRKLYNGIRL
I saw that movie!
Roadmaster, Milwaukee Office |
11.17.07 - 4:20 pm | #
A lot of people say that the Clintons were rude.
And the truth of the matter is that the Clintons, like a lot of people who come from the middle class, have excellent manners.
I've heard they are warm and gracious hosts.
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11.17.07 - 4:20 pm | #
I will remember that
therealhellkitty
My Canadian Sour Milk Chocolate Cake filled with raspberry jam and sugared almonds wins prizes.... Keep it in mind.
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11.17.07 - 4:20 pm | #
One of the problems with brining is that some people use regular salt instead of kosher salt.
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[wingnut]
That don't make no sense. Everyone knows that Thanksgiving is a Christian holiday, and Jews don't celebrate it.
I haven't heard from her.
fourlegsgood, FREE BRKLYNGIRL |
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11.17.07 - 4:21 pm | #
I was surprised yesterday to find out that many people on this list did not know that Hillary Clinton plans to continue the US military presence in Iraq indefinitely.
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11.17.07 - 4:21 pm | #
I saw somewhere they put ice packs on the thawed turkey breasts before they cooked them. This allows them to cook slower in relation to the other parts of the turkey so it all comes out cooked to the same temp. Other wise when one part is cooked the other part is Over cooked.
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11.17.07 - 4:21 pm | #
gosh, if "journalists" could only be more like Glenn "Bathhouse" Greenwald!
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11.17.07 - 4:22 pm | #
I'm trying to decide if I should cook a little turkey or get a large roasting chicken from the butcher for thanksgiving.
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11.17.07 - 4:22 pm | #
It's probably time for me to repost the wonderful picture of my Grandfather GWPDA standing amongst the turkeys at his turkey ranch, in Tulsa, about 1947. He'd sell the bastards - but he wouldn't kill 'em. You had to buy one and take it to the butcher down the road.
GWPDA, yclept Irate Scholar
And if you wanted ground turkey, he'd suggest putting the bird in the middle of Route 66 through town...right?
gosh, if "journalists" could only be more like Glenn "Bathhouse" Greenwald!
Lubyanka
Someone got rejected in the men's room again, it seems.
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11.17.07 - 4:23 pm | #
Is it really true that you no longer have to cook the shit out of pork. I don't do it is tough as shoe leather any long, but I'm still careful to make sure there are no more pink bits.
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11.17.07 - 4:23 pm | #
They didn't kiss the hem of Sally Quinn's dress.
When I heard that story, that completely endeared them to me.
I think she's a fucking bitch.
fourlegsgood, FREE BRKLYNGIRL |
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11.17.07 - 4:23 pm | #
I saw somewhere they put ice packs on the thawed turkey breasts before they cooked them. This allows them to cook slower in relation to the other parts of the turkey so it all comes out cooked to the same temp. Other wise when one part is cooked the other part is Over cooked.
indeed. Another thing you can do is cover the breast with aluminum foil.
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11.17.07 - 4:23 pm | #
I'm trying to decide if I should cook a little turkey or get a large roasting chicken from the butcher for thanksgiving.
fourlegsgood, FREE BRKLYNGIRL
Our CFO told me that at 5AM Friday he was at his desk having a piece of the tiramisu I had made. He suggested that he has it really good as we all know about his love of desserts. He gets the first slice of pie and is always willing to go get one if needed.
Amongst other things, I recall reading that the Clintons fired a chef who was responsible for feeding the press corps when they tagged along on Air Force One and what not. He evidently was very good and the press loved him. They never forgave the Clintons for getting rid of him. Unfortunately, the chef was also a crook, which is why he got canned.
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11.17.07 - 4:24 pm | #
Another thing you can do is cover the breast with aluminum foil.
r€nato, aka Warren Christmas
I saw that movie!
Roadmaster, Milwaukee Office |
11.17.07 - 4:24 pm | #
This will be teh kittenz first thanksgiving.
The will learn the joy of sauteed turkey livers!
fourlegsgood, FREE BRKLYNGIRL |
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11.17.07 - 4:24 pm | #
And if you wanted ground turkey, he'd suggest putting the bird in the middle of Route 66 through town...right?
/jk
Roadmaster, Milwaukee Office
None of his business what a fella did with the turkey after it got bought.
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11.17.07 - 4:24 pm | #
gosh, if "journalists" could only be more like Glenn... Greenwald!
You mean careful, thoughtful, extremely intelligent, and obsessive about detail and documentation? Yeah, that'd be awful, huh?
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11.17.07 - 4:24 pm | #
CHIKKEN! WE WANT HAZ CHIKKEN!!
I probably will do chicken if I can find a good one.
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11.17.07 - 4:25 pm | #
OK, time for my entirely too-long-delayed first nap of the day. Enjoy the afternoon bats, and take some comfort in the fact that "Old Europe" agrees with us when it comes to Blackwater
With any luck at all, later.
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11.17.07 - 4:25 pm | #
What few spice berries I had this year got left on the bushes for the critters. Otherwise I would have used them in a spice cake & sweet tater pie.
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11.17.07 - 4:25 pm | #
"Clintons fired a chef who was responsible for feeding the press corps when they tagged along on Air Force One and what not. He evidently was very good and the press loved him. They never forgave the Clintons for getting rid of him. Unfortunately, the chef was also a crook, which is why he got canned.
Richard"
Haven't heard that one before. I knew the press were pretty upset when Clinton shut down their duty free shop otherwise know as the press plane.
hadenough |
11.17.07 - 4:30 pm | #
Barbarella?
Earth Girls Are Shiny
Toss her into the Mathmos!
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11.17.07 - 4:30 pm | #
Barbarella?
Earth Girls Are Shiny
JeffCO
I thought it was "Attack of the 50 Foot Tinfoil Woman."
Roadmaster, Milwaukee Office |
11.17.07 - 4:31 pm | #
Haven't heard that one before. I knew the press were pretty upset when Clinton shut down their duty free shop otherwise know as the press plane.
They were pretty mad when they shut down the graft fest that was the WH travel office as well.
fourlegsgood, FREE BRKLYNGIRL |
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11.17.07 - 4:31 pm | #
I found a bad poem I wrote once about Hillary. It's not Hillary CLinton, actually, but I could pretend it was.
Hillary
I met her in the swimming pool./I cannot stand the crowd./But Hillary was different/and seemed to say so, loud.
Her skin was silvery and cool./Her swimming like a dream./Her crawling style was ancient/but made the waters stream.
Her eyes were deep and green as sea./I never saw them blink./Yes, Hillary was different/but how, I could not think.
Until at last it came to me/and I saw what I had missed:/These facts made it evident/that Hillary was a fish.
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11.17.07 - 4:32 pm | #
Okay, I admit it. I'm blogging instead of grading. But it's more fun! Molly Ivors
Especially when you're typing with the hands the hands of fate.
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11.17.07 - 4:32 pm | #
Trichinosis:
In the United States, trichinosis was long associated with undercooked pork from pigs fed garbage that sometimes included infected rodents or other animals. Uncooked garbage was banned as pork feed in 1980, and since then the incidence of trichinosis in the United States has declined to fewer than ten cases annually. Most of these are not from pork, but from such game meats as bear, boar, and walrus.
For many years it was recommended that pork be cooked past well done to ensure the elimination of trichinae. It's now known that a temperature of 137F/58C, a medium doneness, is sufficient to kill the parasite in meat; aiming for 150F/65C gives reasonable safety margin. Trichinae can also be eliminated by frozen storage for a period of at least 20 days at or lower than 5F/-15C
p 126 -On Food and Cooking, The Science and Lore of the Kitchen by Harold McGee
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11.17.07 - 4:32 pm | #
Some kitties like them raw, as well.
Well, yes, but it's nicer if all three of us can eat at the same time.
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11.17.07 - 4:33 pm | #
Haven't heard that one before. I knew the press were pretty upset when Clinton shut down their duty free shop otherwise know as the press plane.
Poppy's policy was to Raj the children of the media into submission; bribe them with tiger shrimp and free booze, and the coverage will be amicable.
The Clintons had the audacity to treat the media twits as professionals, not to pander to them and bribe them, and look what it got them.
They wanted to be pandered to and bribed. Sure beats actually working!
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11.17.07 - 4:33 pm | #
I also heard the press got fed shrimp cocktails, dove bars by Bush during the 2000 campaign. Gore fed em trail mix and shit. It actually does matter.
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11.17.07 - 4:34 pm | #
They wanted to be pandered to and bribed. Sure beats actually working!
Apprentice to Darth Holden
But it is beneath their station to be referred to by the DFHs as whores.
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11.17.07 - 4:35 pm | #
I also heard the press got fed shrimp cocktails, dove bars by Bush during the 2000 campaign. Gore fed em trail mix and shit. It actually does matter.
Yes. I think Kerry learned that lesson and made sure the catering was decent.
And they still complained. It really pissed me off. They're there to work, not be feted like they're Paris Hilton.
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11.17.07 - 4:35 pm | #
I thought it was "Attack of the 50 Foot Tinfoil Woman."
Actually, I'm pretty sure it was Almodovar's Alcoa About My Mother.
JeffCO |
11.17.07 - 4:35 pm | #
I also heard the press got fed shrimp cocktails, dove bars by Bush during the 2000 campaign. Gore fed em trail mix and shit. It actually does matter.
trifecta
I also heard the press got fed shrimp cocktails, dove bars by Bush during the 2000 campaign. Gore fed em trail mix and shit. It actually does matter.
trifecta
Well, Dove bars do. Absolutely. Gore deserved to lose, then.
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11.17.07 - 4:36 pm | #
Spocko, McGhee is, aside from Larousse, probably the best book on cooking available. The section on ice cream is wonderful.
therealhellkitty |
11.17.07 - 4:37 pm | #
scratches head.
watertiger
To be honest, I seem to recall signs that prohibit driving motorized vehicles on parkways.
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11.17.07 - 4:37 pm | #
Actually, I'm pretty sure it was Almodovar's Alcoa About My Mother.
"The Clintons had the audacity to treat the media twits as professionals, not to pander to them and bribe them, and look what it got them.
Apprentice to Darth Holden "
Say an interview with a reporter, sam donaldson I think, who was going on and on about reagan's black tie friday parties. All the washington big shots would show up. Only the good reporters were invited. Any reporter not invited could kiss their washington reporter job good bye.
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11.17.07 - 4:39 pm | #
WT, "And what's the deal with stairs? You don't stare at them."
"And why do they call it French toast? The bread doesn't wear little berets."
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11.17.07 - 4:39 pm | #
Haloscan is one weird program.
rootless-e
If the writers guild stays on strike, I hear that ABC is gonna book Haloscan for an hour-long reality show.
Roadmaster, Milwaukee Office |
11.17.07 - 4:40 pm | #
My favorite monent in the "Clinton Love Child" story was when I read somebody who, commenting on a grainy picture provided of the boy, said, "Even in that grainy photo, he looks like Clinton."
Of course, since the mother was claiming Clinton was the father, they could have probably gotten a good picture of the boy. They chose that picture precisely because it looked like Clinton, and the fact that it was grainy ought to have given the impression that a clear picture of the boy maybe didn't look so much like Clinton. It was a wonderful bit of Clinton-hating logic.
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11.17.07 - 4:40 pm | #
"i'm the king of the flower shop and Mazda Miata yahoo group"-Matt Drudge
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11.17.07 - 6:19 pm | #
yeah, that story was obviously fake as soon as she claimed the sex was consensual, rather than rape.
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11.17.07 - 7:50 pm | #
The story this morning is a doozy. First, the human scumbag Bob Novak says -- get this -- "the Clinton people" have some "dirt" on Obama, BUT they refused to spread it around, though they're telling people in private about the fact that they're nobly not telling the story. How credible is this setup. A blind, unattributed item just laid out there, stinking like rotten fish. A tale told by an old and evil idiot, signifying nothing. So then Obama falls for it! Hillary's the bad guy in that yarn, so he must tell her not to tase-- er, Swift Boat him, bro. Howard Wolfson says they have nothing on Obama, they haven't been spreading it, but that Obama has just fallen for a -- what did Don Segretti call that maneuver when you go to one enemy's camp and blame an attack on the other enemy? Oh, yeah, ratfucking.
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11.17.07 - 8:07 pm | #
So I'm here late, but feel compelled to point this out for the record:
Joe Klein sold his novel, to Hollywood at least, as a roman a clef -- something so true, and so scandalous, that it had to be written anonymously.
I read the novel overnight during the bidding session, rigged by Klein's agent to close the sale of the book in less than 24 hours.
It worked: Mike Nichols and Universal bought it.
But it was a big fucking lie then, and it's still a big fucking lie... and I'm out of patience with people excusing it as simple "satirical fiction."
It was a bill of goods.
Joe Klein sucks.
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