Al Gore.
Vicki, Who ♥ Al Gore |
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08.11.07 - 8:20 am | #
Sick of them.
Vicki, Who ♥ Al Gore |
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08.11.07 - 8:20 am | #
Vicki
ql-was in NY |
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08.11.07 - 8:21 am | #
ql-wa in NY
Vicki, Who ♥ Al Gore |
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08.11.07 - 8:22 am | #
Ghouls is Right!
plantsman, areligious |
08.11.07 - 8:22 am | #
I think it would take five to John Gibson's noggin' to wake conservatives up.
Hesiod |
08.11.07 - 8:23 am | #
I think we should simply stop humoring them by calling them conservatives and calling them by their proper name: fascists. It is more accurate and will let people know what is really in their puny minds.
DWD - Pain at Eight |
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08.11.07 - 8:23 am | #
DWD has a point.
Vicki, Who ♥ Al Gore |
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08.11.07 - 8:23 am | #
. . . and yet, WE'RE the ones who want the US to lose the war, want troops to be killed, love the terrorists and hate the country . . .
This math doesn't work for me.
V for Virginia |
08.11.07 - 8:23 am | #
George Bush demonstrates the notion that moral certitude is terribly dangerous.
plantsman, areligious |
08.11.07 - 8:23 am | #
Ghouls is Right!
plantsman, areligious | 08.11.07 - 8:22 am
What? Someone actually believed they were pro-life? BWAHAHAHAHAAHA!
Tom - 大肚腩 |
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08.11.07 - 8:24 am | #
"I think it's going to take a lot of dead people to wake America up."
with the likes of TWEETY and all the rest of the nob polishers...looks like MORE OF THE SAME TILL THE RAPTURE
sittenpretty,VONAGE the Worst |
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08.11.07 - 8:24 am | #
I think we should simply stop humoring them by calling them conservatives and START calling them by their proper name: fascists. It is more accurate and will let people know what is really in their puny minds.
(more coffee!)
DWD - Pain at Eight |
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08.11.07 - 8:24 am | #
"I think it's going to take a lot of dead non-brown American people to wake America up."
filled your terrine
V for Virginia |
08.11.07 - 8:24 am | #
Not to flog a waterlogged log, but I'm very happy that Atrios posted the Foser link re: how the media and anecdotes a few threads down.
Go read it.
Vicki, Who ♥ Al Gore |
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08.11.07 - 8:25 am | #
I agree. Fascists it is.
Hesiod |
08.11.07 - 8:25 am | #
I think it's going to take a lot of missing white women to wake America up.
Marcellina |
08.11.07 - 8:25 am | #
I liked the tomatoes better than the Father Coughlin Conservatoids.
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08.11.07 - 8:25 am | #
It did take a lot of dead people in New Orleans to wake America up, John. Too late.
Hesiod |
08.11.07 - 8:26 am | #
The tomatoes are beautiful. They remind me of my Saturdays at the market.
I'd be there by now if I didn't have this head cold weighing me down.
Vicki, Who ♥ Al Gore |
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08.11.07 - 8:26 am | #
I wonder how many expressos Atrios has had at the cafe/market today?
sittenpretty,VONAGE the Worst |
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08.11.07 - 8:26 am | #
Did any of those tomatoes attack you?
Hesiod |
08.11.07 - 8:27 am | #
It did take a lot of dead people in New Orleans to wake America up, John. Too late.
Hesiod
They woke up, hit the snooze alarm, punched the pillow, and went right back to sleep, AFAIC.
V for Virginia |
08.11.07 - 8:27 am | #
I've been trying to decipher the price of those tomatoes - 1.50 euros for... a quarter kilo?
Marcellina |
08.11.07 - 8:28 am | #
I think it's going to take a lot of dead people to wake America up.
Of course, he means White American Civilians when he says "people."
Dead Iraqis and American military obviously don't wake America up, since they aren't, you know people
Cole the Younger |
08.11.07 - 8:28 am | #
The really problem is that one suicide bomber on one bus killing 8 or 9 people will be treated as 'another 9/11'.
With FOXNews, CCN and the others leading the psychotic reaction to such an event, what chance does sanity have?
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08.11.07 - 8:28 am | #
The Bush administration used the events of 9/11 to launch an unnecessary war, curtail the rights of Americans, torture, illegally spy, and violate the Constitution. The right-wing can’t wait for “another 9/11″ so they can take it to the next level.
And just what would that level be? "Heil, Bush!"?
I'm at a loss here as to where we go next as they ratchet the Grand War on Terror up a notch.
If I'm not with 'em, I'm in a concentration camp? Gitmo? What?
Vicki, Who ♥ Al Gore |
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08.11.07 - 8:28 am | #
I imagine what Thers and Molly and the brood could do with those tomatoes, some bread, some lettuce, and a rasher of bacon.
plantsman, areligious |
08.11.07 - 8:29 am | #
Some people see a Reichstag, and immediately dream of a convenient fire.
It did take a lot of dead people in New Orleans to wake America up, John. Too late.
Hesiod
They woke up, hit the snooze alarm, punched the pillow, and went right back to sleep, AFAIC.
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not really...its the MASS MEDIA that dictates the story du jour.. and of course they look for the most profound/
sittenpretty,VONAGE the Worst |
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08.11.07 - 8:29 am | #
Just borrow some inferi from Lord Voldemort and have them roust people out of bed when the alarm clocks go off.
Peace out, batzzz.
Vicki, Who ♥ Al Gore |
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08.11.07 - 8:31 am | #
When the fascists truly take over, I foresee my apartment getting pretty crowded over here...
or maybe Moe can take some of you in.
I miss Moe. Is he back anytime soon?
Marcellina |
08.11.07 - 8:31 am | #
plantsman - Lead Risk Management Activities in OECD Member Countries (1993-1998 ) British Columbia (B.C.)
B.C. Environment/B.C. Ministry of Health/Cominco Ltd./City of Trail have supported annual blood lead monitoring clinics for children residing in Trail, B.C .since 1990. Trail is the
location of Cominco Ltd. British Columbia Lead/Zinc smelting operations. Trail Blood Lead clinics are implemented by the Trail Community Lead Task Force. This task force has been instrumental in developing educational monitoring and lead exposure abatement programmes since 1990 and has achieved progressive declines in Trail residents’ blood lead values.
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08.11.07 - 8:33 am | #
thank you for the lovely picture
sittenpretty,VONAGE the Worst |
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08.11.07 - 8:33 am | #
This task force has been instrumental in developing educational monitoring and lead exposure abatement programmes since 1990 and has achieved progressive declines in Trail residents’ blood lead values.
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GWPDA, Unable to Leave
OK, that's still scary.
V for Virginia |
08.11.07 - 8:34 am | #
Just a bit to remind us. . .
but--though all kinds of officers
(a yearning nation's blueeyed pride)
their passive prey did kick and curse
until for wear their clarion
voices and boots were much the worse,
and egged the firstclassprivates on
his rectum wickedly to tease
by means of skilfully applied
bayonets roasted hot with heat--
Olaf(upon what were once knees)
does almost ceaselessly repeat
"there is some shit I will not eat"
OK, that's still scary.
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sittenpretty,VONAGE the Worst |
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08.11.07 - 8:35 am | #
should i go plant the mums ,its already hot
sittenpretty,VONAGE the Worst |
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08.11.07 - 8:37 am | #
Kevin Wall was flogging this on WTTK-FM 96.9 in Boston yesterday. Being Boston, he actually got several callers who explained it was Bush who pissed away the unity we had on 9/12. And also pointed out that, if we do have another 9/11, it will be because Osama is still alive 6 years later, thanks to President "I really don't think about him that much."
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08.11.07 - 8:37 am | #
I've been resisting using the F-word because I'm one of those persnickety historians who looks with beady-eyed suspicion on possible verbal anachronisms.
Also, as a relic of the 60s I can remember New Lefties pouring accusations of fascism all over everything, like ketchup, which wasn't very enlightening.
But there simply is no other way to characterize people who consciously desire death and destruction visited upon their own fellow-citizens in order to jusify more war.
Stripped of programmatic detail, that's what Fascism is all about.
And that's what these people are all about.
Fascists it is, then.
Hedley Lamarr |
08.11.07 - 8:38 am | #
Ah, as a very young GWPDA, I remember well (as does plantsman), the days when the winds were from the south and the skies over Phoenix were filled with a curious yellow cloud. Sulphur smogs! Straight up from the southern sulphur mines - no controls, nothing at all, just the happy yellow tint of the sky and the coughing, strangling sounds of the people. And damned if one single word was ever written about the little problem.... Civic pride is a wonderful thing it is.
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should i go plant the mums ,its already hot
Well, in this heat, Mums is not going to get any fresher, no matter what sort of embalming you may have done on her.
Give her a nice funeral like a good boy, and hurry back.
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Cynicus |
08.11.07 - 8:38 am | #
So, the second, 8 - 5/8" bore drill has broken through into the chamber where the trapped miners are thought to be, and Mr. Murray, for whatever reason, has decided to "withhold details until later." Shmuck.
plantsman, areligious |
08.11.07 - 8:38 am | #
But there simply is no other way to characterize people who consciously desire death and destruction visited upon their own fellow-citizens in order to jusify more war.
Stripped of programmatic detail, that's what Fascism is all about.
And that's what these people are all about.
Fascists it is, then.
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make no mistake its about the money...just like Hitler plundering Europe for all the gold and treasures...they are the same people...offspring of Presscott Bush ..Nazi underwriter
sittenpretty,VONAGE the Worst |
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08.11.07 - 8:40 am | #
Forget about lead paint enforcement. We need more cheap poisoned goods from China.
Erin Burnett, the anchor of CNBC's "Street Signs" was on Tweety last night. This is a direct quote:
"I think people shoud be careful what they wish for on China. You know, if China were to revalue it's currency, or if China is to start making, say, toys that don't have lead in them, or food that isn't poisonous, their costs of production are going to go up, and that means prices at Walmart, here in the United States, are going to go up too. So, I would say China is our greatest friend right now. They're keeping prices low and their keeping prices for mortgages low, too."
Ketchup is American haute cuisine and its purchase supports the huge Heinz Foundation, a major source of charitable works and philanthropy.
plantsman, areligious |
08.11.07 - 8:41 am | #
ketchup is fascist?
Only when you put it hot dogs, IMHO.
Hedley Lamarr |
08.11.07 - 8:41 am | #
Mr. Murray, for whatever reason, has decided to "withhold details until later." Shmuck.
plantsman, areligious
Remember the cave in (I think it was last year) where one of the guys was alive when they got to them?
It's the only reason I don't say, "We all know what the details are, pal."
V for Virginia |
08.11.07 - 8:42 am | #
So, the second, 8 - 5/8" bore drill has broken through into the chamber where the trapped miners are thought to be, and Mr. Murray, for whatever reason, has decided to "withhold details until later." Shmuck.
Maybe it's my sick imagination, but when they go drilling blindly into the ground to find trapped people, i wonder what they do if they pull the drill bit back up and find blood on it.............
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Cynicus |
08.11.07 - 8:42 am | #
or if China is to start making, say, toys that don't have lead in them, or food that isn't poisonous, their costs of production are going to go up, and that means prices at Walmart, here in the United States, are going to go up too. So, I would say China is our greatest friend right now.
Contemplate the twisted thinking that informs this "logic", if you will.
plantsman, areligious |
08.11.07 - 8:43 am | #
"I think people shoud be careful what they wish for on China. You know, if China were to revalue it's currency, or if China is to start making, say, toys that don't have lead in them, or food that isn't poisonous, their costs of production are going to go up, and that means prices at Walmart, here in the United States, are going to go up too. So, I would say China is our greatest friend right now. They're keeping prices low and their keeping prices for mortgages low, too."
1. Powerful and Continuing Nationalism - Fascist regimes tend to make constant use of patriotic mottos, slogans, symbols, songs, and other paraphernalia. Flags are seen everywhere, as are flag symbols on clothing and in public displays.
2. Disdain for the Recognition of Human Rights - Because of fear of enemies and the need for security, the people in fascist regimes are persuaded that human rights can be ignored in certain cases because of "need." The people tend to look the other way or even approve of torture, summary executions, assassinations, long incarcerations of prisoners, etc.
3. Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause - The people are rallied into a unifying patriotic frenzy over the need to eliminate a perceived common threat or foe: racial , ethnic or religious minorities; liberals; communists; socialists, terrorists, etc.
V for Virginia |
08.11.07 - 8:44 am | #
the walmart here is just as expensive as any other store here
sittenpretty,VONAGE the Worst |
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08.11.07 - 8:44 am | #
Yes, Ms. Burnett; we MUST allow our BFF to continue poisoning us, to keep prices low for whatever Americans do not succumb in the interim.
Riiiight.
plantsman, areligious |
08.11.07 - 8:45 am | #
Erin Burnett, the anchor of CNBC's "Street Signs" was on Tweety last night. This is a direct quote:
"Hey, I don't shop at Wal-Mart. that's for the little schmucks. What do I care?"
And it's too early to start sniffing glue:
4. Supremacy of the Military - Even when there are widespread
domestic problems, the military is given a disproportionate amount of government funding, and the domestic agenda is neglected. Soldiers and military service are glamorized.
5. Rampant Sexism - The governments of fascist nations tend to be almost exclusively male-dominated. Under fascist regimes, traditional gender roles are made more rigid. Divorce, abortion and homosexuality are suppressed and the state is represented as the ultimate guardian of the family institution.
6. Controlled Mass Media - Sometimes to media is directly controlled by the government, but in other cases, the media is indirectly controlled by government regulation, or sympathetic media spokespeople and executives. Censorship, especially in war time, is very common.
7. Obsession with National Security - Fear is used as a motivational tool by the government over the masses.
8. Religion and Government are Intertwined - Governments in fascist nations tend to use the most common religion in the nation as a tool to manipulate public opinion. Religious rhetoric and terminology is common from government leaders, even when the major tenets of the religion are diametrically opposed to the government's policies or actions.
V for Virginia |
08.11.07 - 8:45 am | #
Ketchup is American haute cuisine
Ketchup is another way of adding sugar to your diet and not thinking that you are adding sugar.
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Agent Orange |
08.11.07 - 8:46 am | #
Current events in the California market: During the peak of the housing boom in California — from 2003 to 2005 — construction and real estate-related jobs accounted for nearly a third of all new jobs created in the state, said Ryan Ratcliff, an economist for the UCLA Anderson Forecast. Today, he said, they account for about 10%.
Experts estimate that California could lose more than 200,000 real estate-related jobs before the housing market bottoms out.
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08.11.07 - 8:47 am | #
We diabetics are allowed 1-Tbs sized servings of ketchup, occasionally.
plantsman, areligious |
08.11.07 - 8:47 am | #
Ketchup is gross.
9. Corporate Power is Protected - The industrial and business aristocracy of a fascist nation often are the ones who put the government leaders into power, creating a mutually beneficial business/government relationship and power elite.
10. Labor Power is Suppressed - Because the organizing power of labor is the only real threat to a fascist government, labor unions are either eliminated entirely, or are severely suppressed.
11. Disdain for Intellectuals and the Arts - Fascist nations tend to promote and tolerate open hostility to higher education, and academia. It is not uncommon for professors and other academics to be censored or even arrested. Free expression in the arts and letters is openly attacked.
V for Virginia |
08.11.07 - 8:47 am | #
sittenpretty, my personal experience is that prices for nearly everything are lower in America than in Europe. I could not find a decent pair of summer shoes here, then bought three pair, all around 13 dollars, in the States. But in the back of my mind, I wonder about the child labor that made there 13-dollar shoes. It feels like a great deal, but there is also something dirty about it, no?
Marcellina |
08.11.07 - 8:48 am | #
Ketchup is another way of adding sugar to your diet and not thinking that you are adding sugar.
Also salt.
but hey, the Roman Empire had garum, the American Empire has ketchup. One of the many commonalities, including highrises, fast food, shopping malls, an emasculated Senate, and mad Emperors.
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Cynicus |
08.11.07 - 8:48 am | #
Ketchup is like sausage made from tomatoes; and no, you don't want to see how it's made.
plantsman, areligious |
08.11.07 - 8:49 am | #
Conservative America:
Michael Crowley notes an unremarkable human-interest story out of Joplin, Mo., about a middle-aged man who has a home, but prefers to live in his car. Apparently, the man, Steven Graham, is annoying his neighbors quite a bit, “disturbing the peace with loud music and obscenity-laced tirades.”
A neighbor said, “Every day he’s out there. He never goes into the house. He sleeps out there, he eats out there, he watches TV, he plays guitar…. Everything that you do in your house, he does out there.”
Graham acknowledges that he spends most of his time in his car, but says there’s a reason.
An extension cord runs from the house to the car, providing power for a 13-inch TV that rests in the passenger seat, an oscillating fan and a radio.
“I get better reception there than I do in there,” he said, pointing at the house. “I listen to Rush (Limbaugh) every day just about.”
I wonder about the child labor that made there 13-dollar shoes. It feels like a great deal, but there is also something dirty about it, no?
Marcellina
It's probably because European markets are protected. Imagine the environmental mess that is China, too.
I have the luxury to be able to avoid WalMart, but I understand that a lot of people have no, or very little, choice in the matter.
V for Virginia |
08.11.07 - 8:49 am | #
Morning, rational people.
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08.11.07 - 8:51 am | #
'morning, Diane.
12. Obsession with Crime and Punishment - Under fascist regimes, the police are given almost limitless power to enforce laws. The people are often willing to overlook police abuses and even forego civil liberties in the name of patriotism. There is often a national police force with virtually unlimited power in fascist nations.
13. Rampant Cronyism and Corruption - Fascist regimes almost always are governed by groups of friends and associates who appoint each other to government positions and use governmental power and authority to protect their friends from accountability. It is not uncommon in fascist regimes for national resources and even treasures to be appropriated or even outright stolen by government leaders.
14. Fraudulent Elections - Sometimes elections in fascist nations are a complete sham. Other times elections are manipulated by smear campaigns against or even assassination of opposition candidates, use of legislation to control voting numbers or political district boundaries, and manipulation of the media. Fascist nations also typically use their judiciaries to manipulate or control elections.
I think we're pretty much 14 for 14, batting 1000, etc.
V for Virginia |
08.11.07 - 8:51 am | #
Morning, Diane; happy day off!
plantsman, areligious |
08.11.07 - 8:51 am | #
sittenpretty, my personal experience is that prices for nearly everything are lower in America than in Europe. I could not find a decent pair of summer shoes here, then bought three pair, all around 13 dollars, in the States. But in the back of my mind, I wonder about the child labor that made there 13-dollar shoes. It feels like a great deal, but there is also something dirty about it, no?
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when i was going to school in europe many years ago ...shoes ,clothing and bags were MUCH cheaper in the old country...now it is the opposite...countries WANT TO BE IN AMERIKA for the mass market
merkins are /were the big spenders...big cedit card debt...well see how this plays out
sittenpretty,VONAGE the Worst |
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08.11.07 - 8:51 am | #
merkins are /were the big spenders...big cedit card debt...well see how this plays out
sittenpretty,VONAGE the Worst | Homepage | 08.11.07 - 8:51 am
which is why the Chinese have no issues with funding to keep those credit card rates low.
Tom - 大肚腩 |
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08.11.07 - 8:53 am | #
I have the luxury to be able to avoid WalMart, but I understand that a lot of people have no, or very little, choice in the matter.
V for V, Wal-Mart (Resistance is Futile!) moved into my semi-rural to rural part of Kentucky, opened a "Super Wal-Mart", and every other business closed. You have to go over 50 miles to not shop the bastards, and with gas around the $3/gal. mark, well...........
Around here, if the few employers stopped paying in dollars and started paying with Wal-Mart store credit, no one would notice.
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Cynicus |
08.11.07 - 8:53 am | #
For thrifty people who like avoiding Wal*Mart,
LL Bean.com is having sale, and that always means
high-quality, well-made goods at great prices.
plantsman, areligious |
08.11.07 - 8:53 am | #
“I get better reception there than I do in there,” he said, pointing at the house. “I listen to Rush (Limbaugh) every day just about.”
attaturk
He gets better reception in the car because the aliens that are trying to control his thoughts have their sinister devices targeted on the house.
Also, with the radio really loud, it's easier to tune out the voices telling him to burn things.
V for Virginia |
08.11.07 - 8:54 am | #
"which is why the Chinese have no issues with funding to keep those credit card rates low."
--Tom
Doesn't seem to me that credit card rates are low.
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08.11.07 - 8:54 am | #
Fourteen characteristics of fascism:
Historians, political scientists, and other assorted wonks have been trying to formulate elaborate definitions of "generic" fascism for decades.
But none of them are really satisfactory because they fail to take into account the crucial role that violence plays in Fascist thinking.
If someone doesn't think positively about violence (whether foreign, domestic, or both) they aren't fascist, no matter how reactionary or hyper-nationalist their thinking might be otherwise.
For a long time I stopped short at characterizing the American Right as Fascist because I doubted whether there was a true commitment to violence as a matter of principle.
Don't think there's much room for doubt now.
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08.11.07 - 8:54 am | #
which is why the Chinese have no issues with funding to keep those credit card rates low.
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mornin Tom....i dont use credit cards to shop...that is scary
sittenpretty,VONAGE the Worst |
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08.11.07 - 8:54 am | #
We diabetics are allowed 1-Tbs sized servings of ketchup, occasionally.
plantsman, areligious
Trader Joe's has a superb tomato 'pesto', with olive oil, no sugar....
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08.11.07 - 8:55 am | #
Around here, if the few employers stopped paying in dollars and started paying with Wal-Mart store credit, no one would notice.
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Oh, I know. It's positively criminal. I'd rather shop at thrift stores (I do that a lot, anyway) if I didn't have the money to shop somewhere local, or if such things didn't exist.
V for Virginia |
08.11.07 - 8:55 am | #
I think we're pretty much 14 for 14, batting 1000, etc.
V for Virginia
Plantsman, a couple of friends recently told me that they do not do business with LL Bean, because the owner has come out with some anti-gay remarks. Your thoughts?
Marcellina |
08.11.07 - 8:56 am | #
Trader Joe's, which I adore, is not easily reached with public transit in my area -- my only conveyance, these days.
plantsman, areligious |
08.11.07 - 8:56 am | #
V for Virginia. I would say we are either completely hitting 14 for 14 or at least mostly. What is the source? (And thanks for posting)
DWD - Pain at Eight |
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08.11.07 - 8:57 am | #
f someone doesn't think positively about violence (whether foreign, domestic, or both) they aren't fascist, no matter how reactionary or hyper-nationalist their thinking might be otherwise.
For a long time I stopped short at characterizing the American Right as Fascist because I doubted whether there was a true commitment to violence as a matter of principle.
Don't think there's much room for doubt now.
Hedley Lamar
Savage Weiner
O'Rally
all those neo-nazis
Many of our trolls (although they may just be flapping their gums)
V for Virginia |
08.11.07 - 8:57 am | #
Yes, Ms. Burnett;
saw the commentary below about the new 'street sweetie' easing her way into cnbc to replace the aging-out 'money honey'. poor maria, even those puffy lip injections aren't gonna keep your mug camera-friendly...
burnett needs to shut down the smarmy commentary from those middled-aged white men in crisis -- tweety and scarborough.
linda |
08.11.07 - 8:57 am | #
Savage Weiner
O'Rally
all those neo-nazis
Many of our trolls (although they may just be flapping their gums)
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sittenpretty,VONAGE the Worst |
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08.11.07 - 8:59 am | #
Here we go, how it affects ME:
from WAPO
...banks will be forced to raise credit card rates to make up for revenue losses in mortgage and wholesale divisions.
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08.11.07 - 8:59 am | #
Oh, I know. It's positively criminal. I'd rather shop at thrift stores (I do that a lot, anyway) if I didn't have the money to shop somewhere local, or if such things didn't exist.
We don't have thrift stores. What we do have is cash-strapped people selling anything they can, in yard sales and garage sales and want ads and just displays in the yard by the road, all in hopes of raising some cash.
"Wal-Mart: America's Company Store. Come on in and put a lien on your soul today!"
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Cynicus |
08.11.07 - 8:59 am | #
Re fascism: that Goering quote, about making the population believe it is under attack, in order to have them eating out of your hands, says it all for me.
Marcellina |
08.11.07 - 8:59 am | #
christ -- alex twit on msnbc talking to the author of book re the pennsylvania coalmine disaster and the apparent drill breakthrough and the ability to push air down: 'so they could hang out down there for a while'...
linda |
08.11.07 - 8:59 am | #
Marcellina, don't know about that -- only that I've always been treated fairly and with respect by the company and their employees. Vicki suggested I stop using a product because they advertise on the Paul Harvey Radio show (which she listens to but I don't) but it's the only totally non-hydrogenated "spread" I can find. I place my health above my political leanings.
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should i put down laptop ,and come for a visit?
sittenpretty,VONAGE the Worst |
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08.11.07 - 9:01 am | #
We're a Nation (the US) that loves deadly violence. Look at mainstream 'entertainment' TV and movies. How much of it is centered around destruction and death?
For most Americans even the Iraq War is something that's more virtual than real.
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Agent Orange |
08.11.07 - 9:02 am | #
only the extreme batshit insane are willing to move the ball foward into the abyss
sittenpretty,VONAGE the Wors
But the more of this batshit insane rhetoric that gets into people's heads, the less fringy and more mainstream it becomes.
Coulter (calling for the deaths of SC Justices)
Liddy (five to the noggin)
There's a lot of it in the media.
V for Virginia |
08.11.07 - 9:02 am | #
Thank you ,GWPDA.
I admit I have always liked LL Bean. Finally found jeans that I liked there, after eons of fruitless searching.
Marcellina |
08.11.07 - 9:02 am | #
LL Bean looks pretty clean to me. The transgender
exclusion is a wee bit inhumane, but otherwise...
plantsman, areligious |
08.11.07 - 9:02 am | #
mornin', malcontents...
v for virginia. thanks for the 14 fascist principles.
sad day in 'murica, for sure.
fokowi |
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08.11.07 - 9:03 am | #
Ask Andy Forum: From what I can gather, it looks like Linda Bean Folkers, an L.L. Bean heiress, contributed $10,000 to an anti-gay rights campaign in Maine. This doesn't necessarily have anything to do with the company itself, however, since Folkers can donate her money to anybody she wants without the leadership of the company doing anything about it. She may still hold L.L. Bean stock, but she doesn't seem to represent L.L. Bean.
GWPDA, Unable to Leave |
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08.11.07 - 9:03 am | #
Just about every family has its wingers.
plantsman, areligious |
08.11.07 - 9:04 am | #
We're a Nation (the US) that loves deadly violence. Look at mainstream 'entertainment' TV and movies. How much of it is centered around destruction and death?
For most Americans even the Iraq War is something that's more virtual than real.
But the more of this batshit insane rhetoric that gets into people's heads, the less fringy and more mainstream it becomes.
Coulter (calling for the deaths of SC Justices)
Liddy (five to the noggin)
There's a lot of it in the media.
i leave considering the connections up to you, as an exercise.
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Cynicus |
08.11.07 - 9:04 am | #
I really appreciate that hubby wants to get the weed-eating beside the house finished before it gets ridiculously hot -- I really do.
I just don't understand how this gets breakfast into me.
/spoiled and lazy
V for Virginia |
08.11.07 - 9:04 am | #
Savage Weiner
O'Rally
all those neo-nazis
Many of our trolls (although they may just be flapping their gums)
True, but up to now the Right has at least paid lip service to the notion of "keeping us safe" by fighting the war in Iraq. Now, the mask is coming off. They don't want to keep Americans safe. They want Americans to die so the war in Iraq can continue.
I suspect that for some of the more devious (Straussian) people on the Right this concept has been there all along; it's just been closeted for obvious reasons. For others it's been a recent evolution in their thinking.
Hedley Lamarr |
08.11.07 - 9:05 am | #
Let me put in a good word for REI. Great service, friendly people, 100% gaurantee. Return things for any reason at any time, 10% off with a lifetime membership.
I guess I need to go to the grocery and pick up a couple of things for breakfast.
Woe betide the person with the W sticker who gets in front of me this morning.
TTYL, batses!
V for Virginia |
08.11.07 - 9:06 am | #
There's a lot of it in the media.
V for Virginia | 08.11.07 - 9:02 am | #
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they love to stir the cauldron,to keep our eyes OFF the prize...focus peeps focus
sittenpretty,VONAGE the Worst |
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08.11.07 - 9:06 am | #
Marcellina I think you have LL Bean confused with Bass.
They make the same type of products so I use to mix them up a lot as well.
Saul Bass is a human shit stain.
HoneyBearKelly |
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08.11.07 - 9:06 am | #
Violent 'solutions' to perceived problems is more manly!
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Agent Orange |
08.11.07 - 9:06 am | #
List fits the chimp like a glove. In fact, it may have been personalized just for him.
Source of site "Liberty Forum ain't nobody's business if you do": about us, info for new members, etc. are "page not found".
el |
08.11.07 - 9:06 am | #
How the hell's your HICA! hangin', peeps?
I bring you the burning question of Freedom Weekend: Do you know where my cats are?
In this vein, there is a NYT article online about Elvis Presley's "racist reputation" and how it came to be. Seems there was a nasty rumor that never died.
Marcellina |
08.11.07 - 9:07 am | #
The Rat Wing has promoted "saving money" through deferred maintenance of infrastructure for
decades -- "penny wise, pound foolish" such thinking used to be called.
plantsman, areligious |
08.11.07 - 9:07 am | #
True, but up to now the Right has at least paid lip service to the notion of "keeping us safe" by fighting the war in Iraq. Now, the mask is coming off. They don't want to keep Americans safe. They want Americans to die so the war in Iraq can continue.
P'haps for some it's Straussian. But i think that for many it's simply the compulsive gambler, who wants to stay at the table and double the bets again and again, until they win.
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Cynicus |
08.11.07 - 9:07 am | #
“I think it’s going to take a lot of dead people to wake America up,” said Gibson.
Right. The old "five in the noggin," eh, John?
Lime Rickey |
08.11.07 - 9:08 am | #
♥ ♥ ♥ ♥ ♥ sittenpretty! ♥ ♥ ♥ ♥ ♥
You'd almost be impressed with the tidiness of the condo, right now. Not perfect, but I figured if I was going to let Association Fascists in to look for unlicensed washing machines...
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Jeffraham Prestonian |
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08.11.07 - 9:08 am | #
HBK, no it was Ban, because my friends spoke of Ms. Bean Folkers.
Marcellina |
08.11.07 - 9:09 am | #
I suspect that for some of the more devious (Straussian) people on the Right this concept has been there all along; it's just been closeted for obvious reasons. For others it's been a recent evolution in their thinking.
Hedley Lamarr
And they just hope the rest of us won't notice how hot the water we're swimming in is getting until it's too late.
Sadly, it's beginning to look like their strategy is working.
Diane C. Barking-Mad |
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08.11.07 - 9:09 am | #
Bean Jeans are the bestest there are. And plantsman Johnson is absolutely right - every family has its share of nutters - this one of Bean's is very thoroughly not invited to the family dinners.
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GWPDA, Unable to Leave |
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08.11.07 - 9:09 am | #
I heard that Barack Obama has more support among Iowa Republicans than John McCain does, at last polling. How the mighty have fallen....
plantsman, areligious |
08.11.07 - 9:09 am | #
How the hell's your HICA! hangin', peeps?
I bring you the burning question of Freedom Weekend: Do you know where my cats are?
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and why are you NOT here?
sittenpretty,VONAGE the Worst |
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08.11.07 - 9:09 am | #
american's weren't this fucking scared during the cold war with 10,000 nukes pointed at us with only a hair trigger between fubar and peace.
whenever i hear some fuckwad on tv say that 'they're out to destroy america!', i want to puke.
if a couple of planes used as bombs or a couple of large explosions somewhere can destroy america, we are already fucked.
the only thing the powers that be are trying to preserve is the status quo of said power. never fucking forget that.
fokowi |
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08.11.07 - 9:10 am | #
GWPDA: Bean Jeans are the bestest there are. And plantsman Johnson is absolutely right - every family has its share of nutters - this one of Bean's is very thoroughly not invited to the family dinners.
Will they protect someone wearing them against road rash, should they contact asphalt surfaces at 20mph?
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Jeffraham Prestonian |
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08.11.07 - 9:11 am | #
And I need to make birthday brownies for my boyfriend. Later, folks.
Marcellina |
08.11.07 - 9:11 am | #
The modern Republican rhetoric-
No more terrorist attacks show how effective Bush's anti-terror policies are
More terrorist attacks (another 9/11) will cause Americans to embrace Bush's anti-terror policies
How can you lose?
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Agent Orange |
08.11.07 - 9:12 am | #
sittenpretty: and why are you NOT here?
Too much month at the end of my money, honey. I thought we agreed a month that ends in "r" works better for several reasons, no?
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Jeffraham Prestonian |
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08.11.07 - 9:12 am | #
Will they protect someone wearing them against road rash, should they contact asphalt surfaces at 20mph?
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you have not done THIS again i hopessssss?
sittenpretty,VONAGE the Worst |
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08.11.07 - 9:12 am | #
american's weren't this fucking scared during the cold war with 10,000 nukes pointed at us with only a hair trigger between fubar and peace.
Of course, adults told us school desks would protect us in a nuclear blast back then, too.
plantsman, areligious |
08.11.07 - 9:12 am | #
Marcellina I think you have LL Bean confused with Bass.
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Marcellina is not confused. LL Bean is also anti-abortion, although I have not personally seen their donations listed, people around here switched to Eddie Bauer, more politically correct.
el |
08.11.07 - 9:12 am | #
Too much month at the end of my money, honey. I thought we agreed a month that ends in "r" works better for several reasons, no?
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im just wankin
sittenpretty,VONAGE the Worst |
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08.11.07 - 9:13 am | #
sittenpretty: you have not done THIS again i hopessssss?
There's no black ice out there right now.
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Jeffraham Prestonian |
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08.11.07 - 9:13 am | #
Snopes, el, Snopes.
LLBean does not have political beliefs. LLBean is a company. Mr. Bean - he dead.
GWPDA, Unable to Leave |
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08.11.07 - 9:13 am | #
Will they protect someone wearing them against road rash, should they contact asphalt surfaces at 20mph?
First few yards, any jeans will. After that, better to have an 'S' on your chest, or riding leathers.
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Cynicus |
08.11.07 - 9:14 am | #
Dress for the fall, not the ride.
All the gear, all the time.
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Jeffraham Prestonian |
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08.11.07 - 9:14 am | #
As a middle-aged gay man, my chances of having an abortion are infinitesimally small. And I can't out-PC all of y'all.
plantsman, areligious |
08.11.07 - 9:14 am | #
Like I said, a Bean sale is a good bargain!
plantsman, areligious |
08.11.07 - 9:16 am | #
i might go purchase a new sewing machine this am..i left mine in S Fl.because some of the parts were missing..78.00 on sale
sittenpretty,VONAGE the Worst |
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08.11.07 - 9:16 am | #
plantsman: As a middle-aged gay man, my chances of having an abortion are infinitesimally small. And I can't out-PC all of y'all.
Now I guess I'll have to try to squeeze another year out of this laptop.
HoneyBearKelly |
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08.11.07 - 9:16 am | #
LLBean does not have political beliefs. LLBean is a company. Mr. Bean - he dead.
Corporations have personified Constitutional rights, plus money and immortality. And hell yes, they have political beliefs - starting with "politics needs to be run for the benefit of this company".
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Cynicus |
08.11.07 - 9:16 am | #
The Nazis are here!
bbl
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Jeffraham Prestonian |
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08.11.07 - 9:17 am | #
sewing is a good INDOOR sport
sittenpretty,VONAGE the Worst |
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08.11.07 - 9:18 am | #
Dress for the fall, not the ride.
All the gear, all the time.
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Jeffraham Prestonian
The daughters are up. Think i will make us all some lemon poppyseed muffins.
Later all. good day and good luck!
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Cynicus |
08.11.07 - 9:19 am | #
Cynicus - that may be as may be - but in the case of Bean, it's the same crackpot 'family member' being cited again and again as anti- this and anti- that. She is not LL Bean - she is a granddaughter of Mr. Bean. She does not control or have any influence on the Company. The Company is in favor of moose, treats its employees as tho they were human beings and engages in the politics of preservation. They are not General Motors.
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GWPDA, Unable to Leave |
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08.11.07 - 9:19 am | #
i must be cranky this am. used 4 f bombs in 4 paragraphs.
but, i digress...
fokowi |
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08.11.07 - 9:20 am | #
sewing is a good INDOOR sport
sittenpretty,VONAGE the Worst
How much sewing machine activity is there still in the US? It's got to be pretty minimal especially among the young.
No???
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Agent Orange |
08.11.07 - 9:21 am | #
Malkin:
I met Bykofsky several years ago. He’s a veteran newsie and all-around great guy, but I think this column was as tone-deaf as Steve Levitt’s whimsical Think Like a Terrorist blog post at the NYTimes. He wants more Americans murdered on American soil to “sew us back together?”
We don’t need healing. We need the half of the country that doesn’t believe we are under threat from global jihad to wake up and smell the suicide bomb smoke.
Maybe the "half of the country" you're talking about doesn't piss their pants every time some says, "BOO!"
Lime Rickey |
08.11.07 - 9:25 am | #
Okay, now that THAT unpleasantness is over with... SCOTTISH OPIUM BURRITOS!!!!!
bbl
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Jeffraham Prestonian |
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08.11.07 - 9:27 am | #
How much sewing machine activity is there still in the US? It's got to be pretty minimal especially among the young.
No???
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Agent Orange
No.
One of the major employers of female immigrants is the Los Angeles garment district. One whole building in downtown Los Angeles houses women hunched over sewing machines (the small ones).
Diane C. Barking-Mad |
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08.11.07 - 9:27 am | #
Was it something I said?
Diane C. Barking-Mad |
Homepage |
08.11.07 - 9:31 am | #
Undoubtedly.
plantsman, areligious |
08.11.07 - 9:32 am | #
We don’t need healing. We need the half of the country that doesn’t believe we are under threat from global jihad to wake up and smell the suicide bomb smoke.
Half the country might be 'smelling the smoke' of dealing with...
Cancer
Heart Disease
Accidental Death
and so on which has killed well over 13 million Americans since "9/11".
Understanding the threats to your well being and dealing with them proportionally seems like rational behavior. Spending a trillion dollars pretending you can stop a suicide bomber who might kill 10 people on a bus is insanity.
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Agent Orange |
08.11.07 - 9:32 am | #
i might go purchase a new sewing machine this am..i left mine in S Fl.because some of the parts were missing..78.00 on sale
sittenpretty
Better to buy a good used one. The cheap ones never work quite right and are very frustrating.
(I gots me a Bernina 1260)
ql-was in NY |
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08.11.07 - 9:33 am | #
One of life's simple joys is leftover brownie batter in the mixing bowl.
Marcellina |
08.11.07 - 9:33 am | #
When the threat is clearly identified as "authoritarian religious extremists" of ANY stripe, then maybe we can talk about it rationally.
plantsman, areligious |
08.11.07 - 9:34 am | #
One of the major employers of female immigrants is the Los Angeles garment district. One whole building in downtown Los Angeles houses women hunched over sewing machines (the small ones).
Diane C. Barking-Mad
Of course there's industrial activity. I meant residental. The person who buys a sewing machine and uses it at home.
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Agent Orange |
08.11.07 - 9:34 am | #
I don't think Stuge Boy was calling for the deaths of 3,000 people.
I think he was just saying that a strike that killed 300 or so would probably be just as effective...
herk |
08.11.07 - 9:35 am | #
Bean Jeans are the bestest there are. And plantsman Johnson is absolutely right - every family has its share of nutters -
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Looks like you're right, those Bean ladies using their own inherited funds, at least what I can Google of the issue.
Linda Bean Folkers, the granddaughter and heiress to the fortune of L.L. Bean, has always been a supporter of the most radical and insane right wing causes and politicians.
Linda Lorraine Bean's campaign for Maine's First Congressional District: Ms. Bean was permitted to use an L. L. Bean boot stitching room for a television advertisement
el |
08.11.07 - 9:35 am | #
I don't know all that many people, but I know several who enjoy creating things on sewing machines -- and the machines are only getting more capable as time goes on.
plantsman, areligious |
08.11.07 - 9:36 am | #
I'm wearing Bean Jeans as we type. Denim not as thick as brand-new 501s, maybe; but always at a way better price.
plantsman, areligious |
08.11.07 - 9:38 am | #
"Before you throw out the baby with the bathwater, remember that the majority of Democrats did NOT vote to expand FISA, and ALL the Republicans did."
plantsman, areligious
George Bush on Thursday tried to get a dismissal of the NSA lawsuit citing the NEW FISA law he just signed in and that the DEMOCRATIC WEASELS in congress gave him!!!!
The Democrats are Bush's accomplices after the fact.
Duane V |
08.11.07 - 9:38 am | #
The Democrats are Bush's accomplices after the fact.
Read what you wrote: it's shoddy, dishonest thinking.
plantsman, areligious |
08.11.07 - 9:39 am | #
Better to buy a good used one. The cheap ones never work quite right and are very frustrating.
(I gots me a Bernina 1260)
ql-was in NY
I just had mine in the shop for a tune-up and it's running very sweet. It's a Singer. From 1902. (Three owners - Aunt Lillian, Mummy, Me.)
GWPDA, Unable to Leave |
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08.11.07 - 9:39 am | #
I'm fairly inept at sewing and such, but I have a lot of colleagues who knit. It's a good hobby for someone employed in the theater, as it fills in all the time one is waiting around.
Marcellina |
08.11.07 - 9:40 am | #
Morning all. A fine sunny day here. I'm getting ready to put in 1600 pachysandra plants.
Toucari, fka cosmic tumbler |
08.11.07 - 9:42 am | #
Of course there's industrial activity. I meant residental. The person who buys a sewing machine and uses it at home.
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Agent Orange
Sorry, AO, I was being snarky at your expense.
I suspect that home sewing isn't being done for a number of reasons.
Most women have to work, and then come home to housewifely duties such as cooking and cleaning. That doesn't leave much time for sewing.
Probably more important, however, is that WalMart, Target, Kohl's, KMart all sell foreign produced clothes so cheaply that it's hardly worth the effort.
Diane C. Barking-Mad |
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08.11.07 - 9:42 am | #
You're right about the brownie batter, Marcellina -
chocolate cake batter leavings used to get me going, too.
plantsman, areligious |
08.11.07 - 9:42 am | #
Read what you wrote: it's shoddy, dishonest thinking.
plantsman, areligious
The idea that Nancy Pelosi and the rest of the democrats, after their month - long break are going to storm back into Washington with righteous rage and indignation, re - do the FISA legislation, and finally hold Bush accountable, is patently ludicrous. We need to rid ourselves of Reid and Pelosi, same as Bush.
Duane V |
08.11.07 - 9:42 am | #
Maybe the "half of the country" you're talking about doesn't piss their pants every time some says, "BOO!"
Lime Rickey | 08.11.07 - 9:25 am
The Malkin Marriage and friend Steve Sailer would prefer you to piss your pants when they say "Brown person".
Tom - 大肚腩 |
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08.11.07 - 9:43 am | #
Wow, Toucari; one recommendation: wear gloves.
plantsman, areligious |
08.11.07 - 9:43 am | #
Bingo, Diane. Sewing is mostly not worth the effort anymore, with all the cheap clothing one can find.
Marcellina |
08.11.07 - 9:43 am | #
I don't think Stuge Boy was calling for the deaths of 3,000 people.
I think he was just saying that a strike that killed 300 or so would probably be just as effective...
herk
The media coverage of the 9/11 attacks was of course spontaneous and live. The MSM has had 5 years to practice their techniques of terrorism coverage and have their roles in it pretty well rehearsed from reporters to politicians to pundits.
Not 3000, not even 300 but even 3 deaths directly tied to a Muslim suicide bomber in the US WILL get coverage equivalent to the 9/11 attacks. The Nation will go beserk with the media leading the way.
After what we've seen in the last 5 years, how can it be otherwise?
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Agent Orange |
08.11.07 - 9:44 am | #
Logical sheets.
DWD - Pain at Eight |
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08.11.07 - 9:44 am | #
"Before you throw out the baby with the bathwater, remember that the majority of Democrats did NOT vote to expand FISA, and ALL the Republicans did."
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The one Dem that makes me SEETH is Kerry, who wimped out once again by NOT VOTING.
Goose egg for the state.
el |
08.11.07 - 9:45 am | #
Wow, Toucari; one recommendation: wear gloves.
plantsman, areligious
Yes, but at my age knee pads are just as important.
Toucari, fka cosmic tumbler |
08.11.07 - 9:45 am | #
Neither Reid nor Pelosi voted to expand FISA, damning them for the actions of others whom they do not control is childish and counter-productive, in my opinion. Using an Elephant gun when tweezers are what's needed is just silly.
plantsman, areligious |
08.11.07 - 9:46 am | #
shoddy and dishonest is a pretty good description of the reasoning behind all the rationalizations used by democrats, blue dog and just plain old yellow coward, in signing off on the FISA legislation. I hope every one of those traitorous cowardly slime gets mobbed by their constituents when the get home.
Duane V |
08.11.07 - 9:47 am | #
"Neither Reid nor Pelosi voted to expand FISA, damning them for the actions of others whom they do not control is childish and counter-productive.."
They are supposed to be the leadership of the democratic party in the house and senate, and they have no control? Why not? Where is the party discipline? Why is "impeachment off the table?", in the words of Nancy Pelosi? They should be damned for their own actions and inaction. They need to be held accountable for allowing the criminality of the Bush Administration to continue, unabated.
Duane V |
08.11.07 - 9:55 am | #
Thus the bizarro world of GOPerBush
-heading into September's self-imposed benchmark
- after a continuum of F.U.'s that resisted all benchmarks.
things are looking as bleak for US remaining engaged with this occupation as they should look
- but don't let that stop anyone, no.
Nancy Willing |
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08.11.07 - 10:08 am | #
"I won't attack righties columnists gone wild, just progressive blogs"-O'Reilly
jr |
08.11.07 - 10:23 am | #
The right has the nerve to say that we are “blame America first liberals,” that we crave defeat in Iraq and welcome every bit of bad news out of the occupation. Not true at all, and quite offensive, but they say it a lot.
And then here they are, WISHING for another 9-11. On their fellow Americans.