I'MMA LET YOU FINISH
Hay!
Yeah!
Called Sheets.
Home Run?
YAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Is this another thread in the 4th dimension?
Impressive, plantsman!!
Or is HaloScan really messed up?
you guys are quite wrong about that woman and the taxi driver.
taxi drivers have to deal with all sorts of people. sober, sick, pregnant, people with mental health problems.
they shouldn't be screaming about "crazy women" or stuff of that sort.
and to say that the woman in question deserves to have a piece of duct tape put on her mouth? I have never heard anything so misogynistic except for here, on this blog, when Hillary was running against Obama, and by the same person, a gay man, plantsman.
The thread below seemed hinky, but when I looked, the sheets I called were there.
In February 2006, after Hubris was published, Matthews said of Bush: "He looks like he's a wise man now ... almost Atticus Finch."
Tweety should stop watching old movies. The other day he wondered whether Obama could stay as "cool" as Ray Milland.
You are welcome to your opinion, troll.
Enjoy killfile. I know I will.
this is after his stupid commment this morning about NTodd's baby to be being "weighed down by karma."
boy, plantsman, you really have a way with words.
Oh, Happy Bastille Day, everyone?
I also have Freedom of Speech.
wow, what a dumbass plantsman is!
Kind of reminds me of that Onion video where pundits get to pander to poll takers in real time. You can actually see the line get lower and lower as they speak then they try to correct themselves as they look at the graph.
Speaking of spin, has anyone seen any inconsistencies between what we're hearing about the CIA's/Cheney's secret programs and what the facts actually are?
you may have freedom of speech, but you're still stupid.
oh happy day
july 14
when we recall
the guillotine
'mornin'
And where were, well, an awfull lot of people?
One of the ongoing scandals is the continuing perception dominating the discussion that the only legitimate stance was to be wrong about the war, despite events proving it to be not only a disaster, but one viewed accurately as such from the get-go.
Meanwhile, the Times this morning thinks Sotomayor should be carefully questioned by Senators unwilling to accept equivocation. They don't mention Robert Bork, or Clarence Thomas...
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/1...4tue1.html?
_r=1
And to think that Matthews is scorned by the rightards as a major voice of the "liberal media." Of course the richest irony of all was Matthews' delusional idea that he could win the Dem nod for Senate in PA.
Takes one to know one, troll.
and a misogynist.
Good morning, plantsman - looks like you're "it" today.
Good morning, all.
~
Yeah, but I got a homer, so it's okay.
I need to eat soon anyway, so it'll have to pick another victim for a while.
The fact that I hate you and a vapid, drunk bint does not make me a misogynist.
But that does not mean the questioning should be routine or easy. The senators should bore in on Judge Sotomayor’s legal views, and she should answer substantively. Recent nominees have made an art of refusing to answer questions about the law. The Senate should not have accepted their evasions, and it should not allow Judge Sotomayor to decline to discuss her views.
Actually, nominees refused to answer questions before the Senate committee until recently. Apparently actually answering questions began with Potter Stewart in 1959 (within my lifetime, IOW). For most of the 20th century (NPR ran a story on this yesterday, so I don't know how deep into history this goes), judges refused to answer "substantive questions."
Nor should they, lest they be seen as having pre-judged cases which may come before them.
Prof, did you hear Grassley squirming yesterday on NPR? He was asked about his stance on this vote versus his stance on Alito (I think, still half asleep....). The quote that they had from Alito was nearly a straight pledge to vote from his experience.
actually, it does because of the reason you hate us
also, it makes you a typical Americcan, hating people you have never met.
no wonder you're 83rd
Tweety has sucked up to Trent Lott, Tom Delay, and Dick Armey all along.
Back Later. Have fun with wee-wee.
plantsman is "it" because he is letting his idiot brain run wild today.
I have to go to work, damnit.
Tweety has some kind of chemical imbalance - he was completely manic (more so than usual) on his show yesterday.
http://www.npr.org/templates/
sto...oryId=106561666
Grassley is still an idiot.
Tweety!
It's always about power.
Tweety has some kind of chemical imbalance - he was completely manic (more so than usual) on his show yesterday.
Karatist Preacher
I've often said that Tweety's meds always seem to run out a day or two ahead of time each month, and that's when we get the "sane" Tweety.
The more I think about it, though, Tweety is neither liberal nor conservative -- the most important thing to him is being thought right on the big issues; it's the only way to make sense of his flip-flops as public opinion and Village opinion changes.
He's never ahead of the curve though, he's always running to catch up.
Oh, and good morning, everyone!
Some New York Atriots are getting together tonight to toast the marvelous Marcellina. Wish you could all be there!
"Grassley is still an idiot."
yes. it's strange to me how some states can have two very different senators. harkin is so cool, grassley is such a dick. ditto with brown and voinovich.
NRO ^ | Jonah Goldberg
Okay, so I’ve had internet problems and staying abreast of the news has been a problem. So, I’m willing to concede that maybe I’m missing something. But, from what I can tell this Cheney scandal story (much hyped in our little New York Times digest thingamajig), is the mother of all nothingburgers. It’s hard for me not to see it as a ploy by Democrats to distract from the fact that the stimulus bill is a dud, healthcare is going badly and cap-and-trade looks like a disaster.
You're missing brains and you're missing balls, Pantload. So why do you even voice an opinion on anything?
In a way, my only regret is that this nomination is taking place so far away from the next election.
By the mid-terms the insults that Kyl, Sessions, et al, have thrown out will have been lost in the noise.
Tweety is a Type 2 diabetic, as I am. He takes different meds from me, and I believe he sometimes uses insulin. His oral med is "Metformin."
"Some New York Atriots are getting together tonight to toast the marvelous Marcellina."
make sure she's just lightly brown and crispy and not burned.
Grassley was really pushing it.
Fact is, Alito and Roberts were both rather quiet, not very prominent jurists, chosen, as all knew, for their ideology more than their renowned contributions to jurisprudence. And it wasn't hard to dig up quotes from Alito and Scalia regarding their background as part of who they are.
I generally find the pretense of judicial objectivity bemusing. You start really looking even at, say, experimental physics, you'll come up with limits to objectivity. It should be possible for a nominee to say, 'Well, I'd look at the law, the Constitution, the legal and legislative history, and the facts of the case before me, and try to do the right thing. I'm not a legislator, nor will ever be one. I don't write laws; I write judicial opinions. But no law ever drafted is free from ambiguity, complete in its intended coverage, or entirely consistent with the Constitution and ohter laws. Which is why, Senators, we have judges in the first place.'
So, Tweety is a hypocrite?
Actually, like Mika, I think he is paid handsomely to read from the prepared script.
Well said, Prof! It's too bad that you don't have the opportunity to use that yourself!
I actually DID hear tweety say he was against the war on his show, before the war even. Be that as is may, he's been a repub enabler forever, and has earned the scorn he gets for it. I imagine he has alot of pressure to toe the corporate line, but that doesn't excuse his conduct by any means.
Eugene Robinson: Whose Identity Politics?
http://www.washingtonpost.com/
wp...9071302605.html
ata: thanks
Oh, Happy Bastille Day, everyone?
Karin Hussein | 07.14.09 - 8:58 am
Coup d'sabot terroriste.
Maybe my blood sugar is off or something, but I'm having a great deal of trouble giving a shit this morning.
It's taking all of my energy to be pleasant.
~
plantsman: Robinson's great, as usual. I'd note that nobody talks more about 'heritage' than Southern white folk.
It's also worth mentioning that Puerto Ricans are, in fact, Americans...
I'm tempted to read "Sarah Palin's" OpEd in the WaPo; just not sure I'm tempted enough.
We need to wall off the media from monied interests. How can GE be objective about war when they profit handsomely from it?
"I'm tempted to read "Sarah Palin's" OpEd in the WaPo; just not sure I'm tempted enough."
Not worth it, dood. Just more of her trolling.
ProfWombat | 07.14.09 - 9:19 am | #
No one that sane could ever get nominated in the first place. At least not these days.
Sotomayor comes close, though I blanche at the thought of yet another Catholic on the SC.
And the rightwing noise machine would attack even if the nominee were Judge J. Christ. It's what they do.
In honor of Bastille Day we have to call Chris Matthews "Titi".
GE's military contracting business is far smaller than it used to be, this untrue assertion the GE is hugely military has been argued and refuted here several times before.
I am bemused by the presence of Jeff Sessions in the hearings about Sotomayor. A man rejected for the federal bench by a GOP Congress because he was too obviously a racist (based solely on the comments he admitted to) now castigates Sotomayor for being "empathetic."
You don't need a weatherman to know which way the wind blows.
Republicans, were they rational, would think twice before celebrating, and associating themselves with, a potential failure of health insurance reform. But, then, they're deathly afraid of the possibility of Democratic success...
This a.m. over breakfast my 15 y.o. son heard a bity on npr about the Sotomayor hearings. He asked "is this where they don't remember anything?"
You don't need a weatherman to know which way the wind blows.
Rmj, Love Stupid Theologist
You do need one to tell you the wind chill, though.
Tweety's like one of those guys with zero long term memory. What's "true" is whatever he says at the moment.
Meanwhile, it's an almost perfect summer day here in DC
Tweety was uber annoying last night. It's bad enough when the guests try to outtalk each other, but Tweety was trying to drown them out as well.
I'm tempted to read "Sarah Palin's" OpEd in the WaPo; just not sure I'm tempted enough.
My favorite line from Palin:
The ironic beauty in this plan? Soon, even the most ardent liberal will understand supply-side economics.
Morning, for the third time, eh?
(Strange days have found me)
this untrue assertion the GE is hugely military has been argued and refuted here several times before.
plantsman,
if true, that only makes it worse, right? that is to say, if it is in fact not profit and greed that motivate the executives of the SCLM group that GE controls to direct their product to favor the ideologies it does, then what other motivation do they have? ignorance? evil? hatred? the collusion of corporations and the SCLM is one of the worst things in our world, powerful and damaging to the extreme. understanding why it happens is important, and i prefer to think it is mostly a question of money. to consider otherwise frightens me.
good morning.
RMJ: he's pretty naked, and depends on the continued pretense that he has clothes...
Republicans, were they rational, would think twice before celebrating, and associating themselves with, a potential failure of health insurance reform. But, then, they're deathly afraid of the possibility of Democratic success...
ProfWombat
I disagree.
Most people don't pay the kind of attention that so many here do to politics.
Come election time, all they'll remember is "the Democrats spent a lot of money and accomplished nothing," helped along by constant bombardment of this message by right-wing media.
The Republicans never have to propose anything constructive. They just cruise into power on tales of Democratic failure.
So there are only what? Five of us here this morning?
~
I enjoyed the male spinner "Kristinn" from Free Republic trying to blame dKos for the nasty comments made about Malia Obama at the Freeper website.
Don't wanna argue about GE, you have fun.
I am bemused by the presence of Jeff Sessions in the hearings about Sotomayor. A man rejected for the federal bench by a GOP Congress because he was too obviously a racist (based solely on the comments he admitted to) now castigates Sotomayor for being "empathetic." -Rmj
The spectacle of all these good ol' white boys ganging up on a Hispanic woman has its amusing side, given that she obviously can handle them quite well.
I imagine that today will slam the lid on the 11 or so Cuban nonagenarians in Miami who were holding out for Republicans.
"this untrue assertion the GE is hugely military has been argued and refuted here several times before."
I didn't say they were "hugely" military. I said they can't be objective with skin in the game.
HaloScan has been really freaky this morning, for quite a awhile I was posting alone on a "parallel thread" that does not seem to have actually existed, except that it did.
My favorite line from Palin:
The ironic beauty in this plan? Soon, even the most ardent liberal will understand supply-side economics.
The funniest thing about the above is, not only did Palin not write the above, she has no earthly idea as to what the words mean.
CD,
Welcome to my world.
Now, if you start railing endlessly (and so far, pointlessly) about the war on working people . . .
Well, just not sure here. (But I do share coffee and bagels as well as fresh sweet cherries and beautiful tomatoes from the market)
ProfWombat : Republicans, were they rational, would think twice before celebrating, and associating themselves with, a potential failure of health insurance reform. But, then, they're deathly afraid of the possibility of Democratic success...
Bill Clinton survived quite nicely after failing on heath care. Obama probably will, too.
~
Gummo: yeah, I guess. But Obama may be able to say, 'Look, I tried bipartisanship, more, certainly than anything Bush and Cheney did, and all they do is get in the way. So fuck 'em.' Though he'd say it better...
See my comment at 9:32.
not arguing, but s'cool, plants.
just sliding into today with a relaxed attitude. lots to do, sun is shining, wanted a little thought time before hitting the noncomputer duties. lots of watering needs to get done today, after being gone for four days. you know how that goes.
"I want to leave kathleen for you"-Chris Matthews to flight suited 43
Gummo: yeah, I guess. But Obama may be able to say, 'Look, I tried bipartisanship, more, certainly than anything Bush and Cheney did, and all they do is get in the way. So fuck 'em.' Though he'd say it better...
ProfWombat
He's tried that already, tentatively, a couple of times.
Republicans then gleefully accuse him of "whining."
Hopefully, when push comes to shove, he'll talk directly to the American people and not let his words be filtered through a biased media.
It's eerie seeing Republican Senators acting as though they believe they are operating entirely within a vacuum.
ProfW is exactly right (as usual.)
We have judges because a right/wrong approach to justice is simply unjust.
A number of municipalities have introduced mandatory penalties for this or that crime. Mostly they've been a disaster, and it has happened that a jury refuses to find a person guilty of e.g. a third shoplifting offense because it would put the poor shlub into life imprisonment.
Each case is unique. People with good judgment and experience need to decide what is fair, appropriate and measured. You can't do justice by the numbers. That's why we need a diverse judiciary, to bring as broad a library of experience and good judgment as we can to difficult issues.
It worries me that five of nine sitting judges are the same faith as my own, and that seven of nine are, like me, white males. We need more breadth. Judge Sotomayor presents a wonderful opportunity to broaden who listens and who renders judgment.
All that said, I fear she is not going to be as liberal as she's painted.
now castigates Sotomayor for being "empathetic." -Rmj
Is Sessions really doing the "empathetic" riff today? It doesn't mean what he thinks it does, whatever he thinks.
~
Clinton 'survived' the failure of his health care reform, but it was as a more 'right/center' version...
"The ironic beauty in this plan? Soon, even the most ardent liberal will understand supply-side economics." Also.
No Way She Wrote It!
Hopefully, when push comes to shove, he'll talk directly to the American people and not let his words be filtered through a biased media.
Roony Reegun used that tactic to his advantage.
Bill Clinton survived quite nicely after failing on heath care. Obama probably will, too.
~
Meander |
i thought Heath Ledger died on bush's watch.
...ok, i'm pretty Lame this morning, sue me.
I'm near the midpoint of my "day", mind is just in a different place.
It's eerie seeing Republican Senators acting as though they believe they are operating entirely within a vacuum.
plantsman, mad google skillz
Eugene Robinson's column this morning was brilliant. The privileged white male view that their perspective is the neutral norm against which all others are to be judged.
Can't be said enough.
Yeah, the Freeper said the left doesn't have standards--look how they savaged the defenseless Palin clan--but the Freepers do.
Anybody who logs into their sites can find racism, sexism, homophobia, bellicose talk of armed resistance, and so on, at will...
They called Malia the n-word and worse for wearing a T-shirt with a peace sign on it and tried to blame it on GOS.
collusion of corporations and the SCLM is one of the worst things in our world, powerful and damaging to the extreme. understanding why it happens is important, and i prefer to think it is mostly a question of money. to consider otherwise frightens me.
good morning.
chicago dyke, blissful | Homepage | 07.14.09 - 9:31 am | #
Things are not so simple.
http://blog.taragana.com/n/gener...ployment-93206/
Rachel took on Zach Wamp's apparent mendacity beautifully last night, in about 3 and a half minutes (plus stupid Sprint "stunt groom" ad)
David: agreed entirely. My guess, though, is that Sotomayor, on a court still dominated by the Five of Nine, will find herself pulled further to the left, rather than acquiescing when Scalia and Roberts opine. Intelligent, educated, professional Catholic women are a very interesting group, and have spent their entire lives in a tension with authority that Catholic men know nothing about.
Things are not so simple.
with you? never. but i wouldn't have it any other way.
Anyone read andy sullivan's piece on sarah palin and cap and trade? palin might be an idiot, but sullivan demonstrates that he is a bigger idiot.
he does not see why we should even worry about energy independence, and appears generally delighted about globalization and the loss of america's industrial base.
he ends with this gem: "America will remain an incredibly prosperous nation with a cap and trade bill."
Incredibly prosperous? what planet is this guy living in?
So what are the wingers against: 11 year old black girls, or peace? Or both?
The Freeper also would not shut up; I would have shut off his mic if he talked over me like that.
Both, pretty much.
on a court still dominated by the Five of Nine,
i just went there in my haid, Alito and Roberts and Thomas etc in the borg getups, hoses coming out of their noses, and so on. /shudders/ that would've been a really, really scary ep of STNG.
Well, actually the duck test still works, you know?
If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck: it is a duck. (No amelioration or perfidious behavior required.)
Chris Matthews seems like a nice guy, but his Hardball show is the worst....the guy cannot let any guest get a word in edgewise - he has terrible interview skills.
My guess, though, is that Sotomayor, on a court still dominated by the Five of Nine, will find herself pulled further to the left, rather than acquiescing when Scalia and Roberts opine. Intelligent, educated, professional Catholic women are a very interesting group, and have spent their entire lives in a tension with authority that Catholic men know nothing about.
You're probably right that Sotomayor will, a la Le Chatelier's Principle, move to the left (as Souter seems to have done.) I think your remarks re: professional, highly educated Catholic women are spot on.
Incidentally, Dr. Benjamin, Pres. Obama's nominee for Surgeon General, is a devout Catholic, who routinely prescribes birth control pills. She does not do abortions at her clinic as she hasn't the facilities, but there's nothing in her background to suggest she's anti-choice.
ProfW is exactly right (as usual.)
We have judges because a right/wrong approach to justice is simply unjust.
A number of municipalities have introduced mandatory penalties for this or that crime. Mostly they've been a disaster, and it has happened that a jury refuses to find a person guilty of e.g. a third shoplifting offense because it would put the poor shlub into life imprisonment.
Each case is unique. People with good judgment and experience need to decide what is fair, appropriate and measured. You can't do justice by the numbers. That's why we need a diverse judiciary, to bring as broad a library of experience and good judgment as we can to difficult issues.
It worries me that five of nine sitting judges are the same faith as my own, and that seven of nine are, like me, white males. We need more breadth. Judge Sotomayor presents a wonderful opportunity to broaden who listens and who renders judgment.
All that said, I fear she is not going to be as liberal as she's painted.
Yes.
Even in courts of "law" we consider "equitable factors." We have "balancing tests." Empathy has a long-standing place in our judicial system, as it did in the judicial system of England.
I love that the Republicans think it's a good idea to piss off women and Hispanics, and to run against empathy.
he ends with this gem: "America will remain an incredibly prosperous nation with a cap and trade bill."
Allen, you just going to make the statement, or are you going to attempt to defend your position?
Ed Schultz shouts too much and his set makes me gag, but I vastly prefer his politics to Tweety's.
So what are the wingers against: 11 year old black girls, or peace? Or both?
They're against the president being black.
So what are the wingers against: 11 year old black girls, or peace? Or both?
Gummo
All four.
Kids, black people, girls/women, and peace.
Deep thought- I bet Frankens familys real name was Frankenstein like the monster but they had the change it because they were freaks and made fun of. Remember "Frankenstein" whenever you see Al Franken.
Allen, you just going to make the statement, or are you going to attempt to defend your position?
Billy B | Homepage | 07.14.09 - 9:46 am | #
so you believe america is an "incredibly prosperous nation" right now?
so you believe america is an "incredibly prosperous nation" right now?
Don't change the subject.
Gummo: they are, in fact, against peace. With and after Bush and Cheney, they're even opposed to diplomacy.
I've oft thought that rightie support of Likudnik Israel is rooted, in part, in envy of their worshipful caricature of it: threatened by implacable enemies so cruel as to be hardly human, armed, militarily strong, with an intelligence service known for ruthlessness, effectiveness and an absence of limits on its activity, which uses force whenever it feels like it, despite the opposition of most of the world...
Morning, all.
Apologies for the blogwhore, but over at Box Office, I sing the praises of a way cool docudrama about the making of Citizen Kane, featuring James Cromwell as a really scary Wm Randolph Hearst who gets to Jew-bait Louis B Mayer (played by a guy who almost always portrays Muslim terrorists. Hah!)
http://boxoffice.com/blogs/steve...9/07/post-
6.php
Comments gratefully accepted, as per usual.
It's the archaic German plural for a French person, you moron.
Even in courts of "law" we consider "equitable factors." We have "balancing tests." Empathy has a long-standing place in our judicial system, as it did in the judicial system of England.
I love that the Republicans think it's a good idea to piss off women and Hispanics, and to run against empathy.
Hecate, Runnymeade Conspirator
Could it be more obvious that "empathy" for Jeff Sessions means: "First consideration goes to the rich and powerful and white and male, and everybody else sucks hind tit!" He certainly hasn't changed his opinions since he was nominated to the Federal bench.
So what are the wingers against: 11 year old black girls, or peace? Or both?
Gummo
All four.
Kids, black people, girls/women, and peace.
David Derbes, optimistic
What I find perversely fascinating is how out front they are these days with their bigotry and hatred.
Obama's election, rather than stifling them, has spurred them on to rhetorical heights that would have made George Wallace think twice.
Don't change the subject.
Billy B | Homepage | 07.14.09 - 9:48 am | #
my apologies. can you tell me what the subject is then? the post about sullivan is the only post i've made today. are you referring to something i said previously?
So what are the wingers against: 11 year old black girls, or peace? Or both?
Gummo
All four.
Kids, black people, girls/women, and peace.
David Derbes, optimistic
I was going to answer, but you nailed it.
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Hecate, : Even in courts of "law" we consider "equitable factors." We have "balancing tests." Empathy has a long-standing place in our judicial system, as it did in the judicial system of England.
I love that the Republicans think it's a good idea to piss off women and Hispanics, and to run against empathy.
"To throw [ourselves] upon the mercy of the court" is a plea for empathy, pure and simple. We always hope that human feelings are involved if we think that there will be half a chance that they will benefit us.
~
Best comment on the linked story:
''' Sure Jamison, we could trot out all of Matthews' unrestrained gushing paeans to Dubya and have a great time revelling in the mockery -- that is, if we want to be completely callous and overlook the fact that Matthews was suffering from the very real psycho-sexual disorder known as Man-crush Fever.
Should we make fun of a man who was so out of his faculties that he actually made lascivious remarks about another man's crotch on national television and all but screamed aloud in a fit of passion, "Emission accomplished"? Who spent almost eight years reporting on Bush while struggling with his inner fantasies by continually curling his toes in his shoes to try and keep the thrill from running up his leg? Who desperately tried to bypass his latent-homosexual shame-sensors by convincing himself that "I love Bush" could easily be interpreted in his subconscious as "I love bush"?
I think not. We're bigger than that. '''
i just went there in my haid, Alito and Roberts and Thomas etc in the borg getups, hoses coming out of their noses, and so on. /shudders/ that would've been a really, really scary ep of STNG.
chicago dyke, trasveral
John Roberts is Alice Krige in drag.
Alice Krige as the Borg Queen
They've gone right over the cliff thinking they're Thelma and Louise, when they're more like Wile E. Coyote.
What I find perversely fascinating is how out front they are these days with their bigotry and hatred.
Amazing, ain't it?
Why is Judge Sotomayor caving into this bullshit?
So much for an independent judiciary.
What I find perversely fascinating is how out front they are these days with their bigotry and hatred.
Gummo | 07.14.09 - 9:49 am | #
perhaps fascinating, but there is nothing surprising about it. america is becoming increasingly diverse. the more diversity, the more racial tension, racial hatred, and racial violence.
She's not caving, it must be endured to be confirmed.
ah carp... hilzoy is hanging up his blogging shoes.
the more diversity, the more racial tension, racial hatred, and racial violence.
Bullshit
I've never been sorry I Killfiled sebs.
Anybody else watching the Sotomayor hearing on C-Span?
Leahy's asking questions and she's giving very thoughtful answers.
Start your French Revolution anniversary celebration with the complete works of Edith Piaf.
http://edith-piaf.narod.ru/pesni.html
Bullshit
Racial violence is virtually non-existent measured against what went down in the 60s and 70s.
If you haven't seen the clip from MSNBC below, it's worth it.
One of the things I liked about 'ST: First Contact' was the contrast between technology that liberates (Cochran's hippy/Whole Earth Catalog compound, from which warp drive will emerge) and technology that seduces and crushes (Borg). Too much to expect that the issue be explored as, perhaps, a bit more complicated, I suppose...
perhaps fascinating, but there is nothing surprising about it. america is becoming increasingly diverse. the more diversity, the more racial tension, racial hatred, and racial violence.
sebs | 07.14.09 - 9:53 am | #
Wow. You really are a cracker shithead, aren't you.
I loved your comment yesterday -- by your lights, you're not a racist. How fricking convenient and self-serving....
When does Jay-uff Say-Shuns do his turd impersonation?
"To throw [ourselves] upon the mercy of the court" is a plea for empathy, pure and simple. We always hope that human feelings are involved if we think that there will be half a chance that they will benefit us.
Meander | Homepage | 07.14.09 - 9:51 am | #
isn't it obvious that empathy here is being used as a code word? they are not reacting against empathy at all, but rather against two concepts:
first, that only a person of a particular ethnicity can understand people of similar ethnicity.
second, that people of certain ethnicities have something unique about them that has or should have any legal standing.
perhaps fascinating, but there is nothing surprising about it. america is becoming increasingly diverse. the more diversity, the more racial tension, racial hatred, and racial violence.
sebs
I'm guessing you weren't here for the '60's, huh?
There was a dramatic shift in racial sentiments in the '60's and '70's. Maybe you heard about it? And diversity does not lead directly to greater violence. That's a canard, and a relic from the Southern culture I grew up in, where the powerful whites maintained control by keeping the poor whites and poor blacks at each others throats, based precisely on your observation.
It's invented, in other words, not innate.
WASHINGTON – In Warren this afternoon, President Barack Obama will unveil a $12-billion program to improve America’s community colleges over the next decade, dedicating funds to expansion and modernization and rewarding successful programs that link employers with locally offered courses. The goal is to graduate 5 million more community college students by 2020.
Well, that sort of works if there are actually employers to hire, eh?
plantsman, that's no impersonation.
I think he'll be up next, about 10 am eastern. He's ranking member, no?
Wow. You really are a cracker shithead, aren't you.
steve simels | Homepage | 07.14.09 - 9:56 am | #
you call me a cracker, but I'm the racist?? haha. how convenient.
for your information, and using your terminology, i am neither a cracker nor a nigger nor a gook. i'm a spic. thank you.
MSNBC is also streaming the Sotomayor hearing.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/31889336/
perhaps fascinating, but there is nothing surprising about it. america is becoming increasingly diverse. the more diversity, the more racial tension, racial hatred, and racial violence.
sebs
Categorically false.
Most of America is pretty comfortable with a multihued country. As to racial violence, I think you did not grow up, as I did, in the 1960's. It's been a long time since four little girls were blown up in a church.
About twenty percent of the country is terrified of losing their white majority status. Nobody else cares.
It turns out that passing laws requiring something approaching racial equality may have been enlightened self-interest. Imagine if the white folks in this country, once they became the minority, had to live as they forced black folks to live for decades. Wouldn't be pretty.
you call me a cracker, but I'm the racist?? haha. how convenient.
A white guy calling another white guy a cracker is not racist, allen.
It's merely an observation.
for your information, and using your terminology, i am neither a cracker nor a nigger nor a gook. i'm a spic. thank you.
sebs
And here I'd taken you for a redneck with a better vocabulary.
I guess I was wrong about the vocabulary.
You like using as many racist epithets as you can, don't you?
Royal Crown Cola to RMJ!
Royal Crown Cola to RMJ!
David Derbes, optimistic | 07.14.09 - 10:00 am | #
They still make that?
a relic from the Southern culture I grew up in,
Rmj, Love Stupid Theologist | 07.14.09 - 9:57 am | #
i was not referring to southern culture at all. i was talking about world history.
memo to americans: the world extends beyond mexico and canda. further, history began prior to 1776.
And here I'd taken you for a redneck with a better vocabulary.
I guess I was wrong about the vocabulary.
heh. Butler is such a glutton for punishment...
You know, some things really are not worth discussing as they will happen (or have happened) with or without your approval.
(Nasty DWD comment there directed at no one in particular)
Goldman Sachs reported a profit of $3.44B in the second quarter of this year. Nothing wrong with making a big profit, but this profit was only possible because G-S did not lose a nickel on any of its investments which were backed by AIG. In turn AIG was able to cover its debts to G-S by virtue of the $170B that it got from the US taxpayers as too big to fail. Funny how that all works out.
Why would anyone engage in intellectual debate with someone who scored 700 on the SAT?
It's profoundly ahistorical to note more racial violence now than in the past, and silly to pretend that diversity increases racism. Even when Negroes knew their place, a casual nghtstick, cross burning or lynching would remind them of it.
So what's happening with the story on Goldman Sachs' frontrunning?
How can conservatives love America and hate Americans?
Conservatives don't love America.
i was not referring to southern culture at all. i was talking about world history.
memo to americans: the world extends beyond mexico and canda. further, history began prior to 1776.
sebs
Your ignorance is universal, then. You do understand that "race" is a 19th century European concept, don't you?
Hoo boy! Get ready for some more grillin'! Jayuff Saysions will once again make an ass out of himself and embarass Talibama just a little bit more.
You like using as many racist epithets as you can, don't you?
plantsman, mad google skillz | Homepage | 07.14.09 - 10:00 am | #
i never use them. other people seem to use them against me, for some reason.
in any case, they are just words. i'm not even a native english speaker, so they are even more hollow to me than to most.
So what's happening with the story on Goldman Sachs' frontrunning?
Mike
Not a damned thing as far as I can tell. In my survey of major newspapers last week: NOT ONE had mentioned either the article of the accusations contained in the article.
(Same old, same old.)
How about GS invest some of that money in a new factory or two in the USA?
You do understand that "race" is a 19th century European concept, don't you?
Rmj, Love Stupid Theologist | 07.14.09 - 10:03 am | #
europeans invented melanin!!!!
How can conservatives love America and hate Americans?
Unrepentant Fenian | 07.14.09 - 10:02 am | #
For a little enlightenment, see this TED video: http://www.ted.com/index.php/
tal...moral_mind.html
'Jonathan Haidt on the moral roots of liberals and conservatives ...'
i am neither a cracker nor a nigger nor a gook. i'm a spic. thank you.
sebs | 07.14.09 - 9:58 am | #
Actually, my guess is you're a butler nom de blog, which makes you a fictional character.
Either way, I'm tired of your bullshit.
Bye!
I'm thinking Sotomayor will not take much crap from Say-Shuns, and can outlast him.
The farce is strong in this one.
BONK! BONK! On the head!
It's profoundly ahistorical to note more racial violence now than in the past, and silly to pretend that diversity increases racism. Even when Negroes knew their place, a casual nghtstick, cross burning or lynching would remind them of it.
I notice how race riots have vastly increased in NYC since the 60s, when the city was much more segregated than it is now.
DWD- : Well, that sort of works if there are actually employers to hire, eh?
rootless posted on this earlier:
General Electric’s Immelt says manufacturing jobs should comprise 20 percent of US employment
http://blog.taragana.com/n/gener...ployment-93206/
rootless-e, appikouros
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The farce is strong in this one.
heh. sebs is butler's new elias.
You do understand that "race" is a 19th century European concept, don't you?
Rmj, Love Stupid Theologist | 07.14.09 - 10:03 am | #
europeans invented melanin!!!!
sebs
Wow.
You are an idiot. Please give me a definition of "race" that doesn't depend on skin color. Throughout much of the 19th and 20th century in Europe and America, it was used to designate not only skin tone, but nationality.
But you knew that, didn't you, with your vast knowledge of world history?
Steve, I can't keep up. You have as a gravatar that dog from Family Guy (?), then another version of said dog, then your picture from the film blog, then the dog again.
It's all too confusing...
It's profoundly ahistorical to note more racial violence now than in the past, and silly to pretend that diversity increases racism. Even when Negroes knew their place, a casual nghtstick, cross burning or lynching would remind them of it.
ProfWombat | 07.14.09 - 10:01 am | #
for the 10th time: i was talking about world history.
further, there is a lot more racial violence today than in the past. i believe there were about 5000 people lynched during the entire jim crow KKK era. that's probably about as many whites and hispanics as are murdered by whites in a year in america today. i'd have to look it up, but i bet i'm not that far off.
Jayuff Saysions was not confirmed for a judgeship by a Republican controlled Senate in 1986. Ouch that must have left a mark, I doubt very much that his defeat had no impact on his life.
You do understand that "race" is a 19th century European concept, don't you?
Rmj, Love Stupid Theologist | 07.14.09 - 10:03 am | #
Without the slightest validity in scientific terms, thank you very much Stephen Jay Gould.
I got a home-run AND called sheets and m*m* tried to ruin it by trolling me, and I lived.
europeans invented melanin!
sebs
Back to work for me. See you later, alligators...
I'm thinking Sotomayor will not take much crap from Say-Shuns, and can outlast him.
plantsman, mad google skillz
As Graham said, all she has to do is not meltdown. A few days of smiling through inane questions is a small price to pay for a lifetime appointment.
again with the self-pity, plantsman! it's getting old.
Please give me a definition of "race" that doesn't depend on skin color. Throughout much of the 19th and 20th century in Europe and America, it was used to designate not only skin tone, but nationality.
But you knew that, didn't you, with your vast knowledge of world history?
Rmj, Love Stupid Theologist | 07.14.09 - 10:06 am | #
i have no idea what you are even trying to ask. but race existed long before europeans "invented" it. just like noses existed long before they named them, or alpacas lived in the andes long before they knew the andes is even there.
And there she is! Nacissistic Personality Disorder and all!
He's nothing but a classic republitool. He managed to get himself elected senator from south Alabama and now there's no getting rid of him.
my god, look who's talking!
you had the nerve to say that a baby that isn't even born yet is going to suffer because of something someone did, and you call me an unempathic person!
wow!
I like that Sotomayor can answer in simple, yes or no, terms. Say-Shuns has begun his travesty.
i have no idea what you are even trying to ask. but race existed long before europeans "invented" it. just like noses existed long before they named them, or alpacas lived in the andes long before they knew the andes is even there.
sebs
Stupid tags.
i have no idea what you are even trying to ask. but race existed long before europeans "invented" it. just like noses existed long before they named them, or alpacas lived in the andes long before they knew the andes is even there.
sebs
That you don't know what you're talking about is obvious. End of discussion.
The total number of deaths directly attributable to the Middle Passage voyage is estimated at up to two million; a broader look at African deaths directly attributable to the institution of slavery from 1500 to 1900 suggests up to four million African deaths.
Ah, who among us does not miss the Chimp's "sunny nobility"?
Hi mimi!
i dont have the time or energy to argue against the tsunami of stupidity here right now.
europeans "invented" race. did they invent genes too? how about aging?
jesus. where do these ideas even come from?
Dunno, man. Wouldn't go pissin' off an alpaca. They'll go all guanaco on yo llama.
with you? never. but i wouldn't have it any other way.
chicago dyke, trasveral | Homepage | 07.14.09 - 9:42 am | #
too much to do this morning for me to work on creating confusion.
And the destructive impact on culture and families had just begun with the passage.
it's a little known fact that europeans first encouraged their settlers to mix with the native people btw. it was only later that they decided it wasn't a good thing.
The reference was to increasing American racial diversity and to racial violence in this country. It was mentioned in the context of another observation about ethnicity and the Sotomayor hearings. Seemed reasonable to address it in those terms. Addressing it on a world-historical stage would admit the conduct of colonialists, the slaughter and displacement of aborigines and so on, and would militate against the observation as well.
The numbers of lynched black folk, themselves ghastly, hardly exhaust the catalog of violence against black folk in this country. It's deeply wrong, and willfully ignorant, to so pretend.
Say-Shuns used The Royal "Us" before I clicked him off.
I sort of miss his sunny nobility. And his inability to ride a segway or eat a pretzel.
sebs, a lot of people here had ancestors who mistreated African-Americans until rather recently or who owned slaves in the distant past. they feel guilty and have a warped sense of values.
my ancestors, if they had slaves, were of the same race as the slaves.
mimi, in history class in latin america i was taught that syphillis and other diseases were brought by the spaniards because they had sex with the farm animals in the boats during the crossing.
i have NO IDEA if there is any truth to that. but it's funny we were taught that in class.
anyway.. back to work. ttyal.
Ridiculous grandiosity? Check. Unwarranted self-regard? Check.
I sort of miss his sunny nobility. And his inability to ride a segway or eat a pretzel.
B1 Bummer
Or open doors.
And his penchant for rubbing bald heads.
Or talk. Also.
Billy B : heh. sebs is butler's new elias.
It does seem to slot nicely into the 'elias' niche, doesn't it. It even started doing the Casual Faux Liberal Racist schtick, same as old elias.
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plantsman : I got a home-run AND called sheets and m*m* tried to ruin it by trolling me, and I lived.
Nicely done on your part, BTW.
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Oh, look. sebs and mememememe are talking to each other again. Julio ought to be along shortly.
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Sotomayor paraphrased: Appellate judges set precedent with their decisions in a way regular trial judges' decisions do not.
I didn't know that but I'm not a lawyer. It seems like a pretty basic and essential distinction and also a really good explanation of her statement regarding judges making law.
Sayshuns moves on.
just like noses existed long before they named them, or alpacas lived in the andes long before they knew the andes is even there.
the alpacas and the noses lived in harmony until the Andes surprised them and ruined everything.
Although not able to peruse his visage at the moment, I can nevertheless imagine Jayuff's vaguely wall-eyed, slack-jawed yokel appearance and weird ears.
She's REALLY trying to get Say-Shuns to understand her, but it's like talking to a rock.
Too bad sebs had to go back to work. I would love to have it comment on the reaction of the day care center to the Philly swim club's rescinding of the ban on the day care children.
Day care rejects invitation to return to pool
In alpaca, "Andes" means tasty rectangular chocolate mint.
She's REALLY trying to get Say-Shuns to understand her, but it's like talking to a rock.
I'm struggling to understand Say-Shuns.
S
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Soto: Me Girl. You Boy.
Sessions: Ah unnerstand.
Say-Shuns has that smile stupid people get when they think they've painted a far more intelligent person into a corner with their brilliant logic, just before the mental hammer falls.
In alpaca, "Andes" means tasty rectangular chocolate mint.
B1 Bummer | 07.14.09 - 10:21 am | #
But you're missing the point, they lived in the tasty rectangular chocolate mints, but they didn't know the tasty rectangular chocolate mints were even there!
the Incas conquered all neighbouring tribes and subjugated them.
It does seem to slot nicely into the 'elias' niche, doesn't it. It even started doing the Casual Faux Liberal Racist schtick, same as old elias.
Yep, same "arguementative" style as ellie mae. Posts inane gibberish as substance and then changes the subject whenever its asked to support its ridiculous assertions, culminating in a complete meltdown.
Anyone else think that Pebbles and Plantsman will be getting a room soon ?
Just think of the wild "adversarial" fun they would have.
The sexual tension is palpable and yet , disturbing.
Chris Matthews is a drooling vegetable. That is why he is on television.
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