Guess he's not the "popular war-time preznit" that Tim Russert keeps telling us about.
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I know this will come as a great shock and disillusionment to many of you, but it seems that Joe Lieberman is a fuckstick:
NAPOLITANO: Hey Sen. Lieberman, you know Barack Obama, is he a Marxist as Bill Kristol says might be the case in today’s New York Times? Is he an elitist like your colleague Hillary Clinton says he is?
LIEBERMAN: Well, you know, I must say that’s a good question. I know him now for a little more than three years since he came into the Senate and he’s obviously very smart and he’s a good guy. I will tell ya that during this campaign, I’ve learned some things about him, about the kind of environment from which he came ideologically. And I wouldn’t…I’d hesitate to say he’s a Marxist, but he’s got some positions that are far to the left of me and I think mainstream America.
To be fair, at least he "hesitates" to call Obama a Marxist.
What a dick.
Nim, ham hock of liberty |
04.15.08 - 9:41 am | #
But, of course, the Biggest loser is really the country...
Stormysu |
04.15.08 - 9:41 am | #
McCain will make the economy disappear!
Glenn Reynold's Roboslut |
04.15.08 - 9:41 am | #
the biggest loser is teh winner, get it?
mogwai |
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04.15.08 - 9:43 am | #
Bush hasn't received majority approval for his work in office in ABC News/Washington Post polls since Jan. 16, 2005
This was the same week that Atrios began his Wanker of the Day awards.
Coincidence? You decide.
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04.15.08 - 9:43 am | #
I've got cheddar cheese/green onion baking powder biscuits if anyone wants some
Thanks, but I'm sticking with Kellogg's Sugar Frosted Flakes.
Sufferin' Hussein Succotash |
04.15.08 - 9:43 am | #
Shaw-
Haloscan is a mystery wrapped in a dog turd inside a Windows plaform.
leibniz♘☮ |
04.15.08 - 9:44 am | #
This has been added to the announcement of the inflation numbers (which, oddly enough, have much to do with George's "popularity")
Finished energy goods were up 2.9 percent while food goods increased 1.2 percent.
On a year-on-year basis, producer prices were up 6.9 percent while core 12-month PPI increased by 2.7 percent -- the largest rise since July 2005.
Okay, three per cent a month: that is 35% a year on something that is figured into EVERYTHING. Folks, we are in a shitload of trouble. I mean SERIOUSLY.
DWD |
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04.15.08 - 9:44 am | #
Thanks, but I'm sticking with Kellogg's Sugar Frosted Flakes.
Is that a McCain Family Recipe™?
Holden Caulfield |
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04.15.08 - 9:44 am | #
Since I was mostly dead-threaded, here's another look at Florida's latest proposed license plate.
The problem is how are they going to deny Muslims a plate with a cresent that says Allāhu Akbar.
Falstaff |
04.15.08 - 9:44 am | #
Florida's latest proposed license plate.
Ridiculous.
How about "I Want To Believe" for X-Files fans?
Penguin |
04.15.08 - 9:44 am | #
Sinfonian, having a cross like that is highly problematic.
euphronius |
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sinfonian-
Can you get Spaghetti Monster plates?
leibniz♘☮ |
04.15.08 - 9:45 am | #
the postwar president to linger longest
Why the "postwar" distinction? Truman was the first postwar president. ???
Halfdan |
04.15.08 - 9:45 am | #
He keeps breaking that kind of record. He's good at something, after all.
Heckuva job.
pie |
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04.15.08 - 9:45 am | #
The problem is how are they going to deny Muslims a plate with a cresent that says Allāhu Akbar.
Falstaff
That's even funnier, considering you're a Floridian, too.
And by "funnier," I mean "sadder."
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04.15.08 - 9:45 am | #
Sinfonian, having a cross like that is highly problematic.
The next logical step would be to have a burning cross..
Sufferin' Hussein Succotash |
04.15.08 - 9:46 am | #
Why the "postwar" distinction? Truman was the first postwar president. ???
No job approval polls before Truman.
Holden Caulfield |
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04.15.08 - 9:46 am | #
Hence my outrage.
I can't wait to see the DWI/Reckless driving statistics on the people who get that plate.
dan mcenroe |
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04.15.08 - 9:46 am | #
I understand the media whores being in the tank for aWol but why Harry and Nancy?
George Johnston |
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04.15.08 - 9:46 am | #
history started on VJ day dont you know. everything before that is lost under the sands of time.
euphronius |
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04.15.08 - 9:46 am | #
& if the MSM were not such a bunch of wankers (where are the daily Candy Crowley reports on Bush & McCain wealth? & how they got it?) it should be the lowest since his oil pals killed the Japanese fishermen while playing w/ a nuke sub--86 months ago.
tomdurk |
04.15.08 - 9:46 am | #
The secret to all these variant state license plates is that the state charges a fee for most of them. It's a moneymaker. (Well, at least here in KY)
Don't expect it to go away any time soon.
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Cynicus |
04.15.08 - 9:46 am | #
Wonder which of Obama's opinions are to the left of mainstream. Universal health insurance, supported by solid majorities in every poll, even by physicians? Social security?
And how is Obama to be construed, even remotely, as a Marxist? What is a Marxist, anyway?
Lieberman's been a politician for a long time, and deeply understands what labeling somebody a 'Marxist', with whatever degree of intellectual and ethical carelessness, means in American political life.
May his bones be ground to dust and scattered by the wind.
ProfWombat |
04.15.08 - 9:46 am | #
but he’s got some positions that are far to the left of me
Positions to the left of him, sexbots to the right, here's Joe, stuck in the middle of chimp poo!
War On War Off |
04.15.08 - 9:46 am | #
Sinfonian, having a cross like that is highly problematic.
euphronius
It's not necessarily problematic if you allow all faiths the same opportunity for a plate without question or editorial input.
Falstaff |
04.15.08 - 9:47 am | #
"I Can't Believe It's Not Butter" for margarine supporters
"I Can't Believe I Ate The Whole Thing" for the gluttonous.
"This I Believe" for fans of NPR's repeating nightmare of a segment.
Penguin |
04.15.08 - 9:47 am | #
Can you get Spaghetti Monster plates?
leibniz♘☮
That would be even more awesome than my idea for Elian with the magic dolphins license plate.
Florida, Drinking Bleach |
04.15.08 - 9:47 am | #
Sinfonian, having a cross like that is highly problematic.
euphronius
Yes, well, you'd think it would be problematic to have a "Choose Life" plate where the revenue goes to a private anti-choice agency.
But, then, this is Florida. And remember, it's not unconstitutional until someone challenges it and wins in court.
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04.15.08 - 9:47 am | #
but he’s got some positions that are far to the left of me
Pretty much everything is left of a fascist.
pie |
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Sinfonian, having a cross like that is highly problematic.
The official seal of the City of Austin (Texas, y'all) fetures a cross.
Holden Caulfield |
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04.15.08 - 9:48 am | #
The problem is how are they going to deny Muslims a plate with a cresent that says Allāhu Akbar.
Falstaff
Good luck with that plate. If you thought "Driving While Black" was bad, just wait until you get a crescent license plate. I don't think you'll even be allowed to park that car at airports.
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It's not necessarily problematic if you allow all faiths the same opportunity for a plate without question or editorial input.
Falstaff | 04.15.08 - 9:47 am | #
meh. thats an interpretation.
euphronius |
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Okay, three per cent a month: that is 35% a year on something that is figured into EVERYTHING. Folks, we are in a shitload of trouble. I mean SERIOUSLY.
The problem is how are they going to deny Muslims a plate with a cresent that says Allāhu Akbar.
hallmarks of al qaeda.
euphronius |
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04.15.08 - 9:48 am | #
What is a Marxist, anyway?
Any politician or pundit with a life outside the Green Room.
This is why Obama must be severely punished.
Sufferin' Hussein Succotash |
04.15.08 - 9:48 am | #
It's not necessarily problematic if you allow all faiths the same opportunity for a plate without question or editorial input.
What about atheists? Do we get a symbol?
Holden Caulfield |
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04.15.08 - 9:49 am | #
Why the "postwar" distinction?
Everything else is framed "since 9/11" - I don't know why they skipped it this time.
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04.15.08 - 9:49 am | #
How about "I Want To Believe" for X-Files fans?
Penguin
If I agree to take my Belchfire 5000 off the road to alleviate smog and traffic, can I get Gillian Anderson delivered to my front door, instead?
Rmj, Unfashionable Theologist |
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04.15.08 - 9:49 am | #
3% a month is more than 36% a year because of compounding.
euphronius |
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Good luck with that plate. If you thought "Driving While Black" was bad, just wait until you get a crescent license plate. I don't think you'll even be allowed to park that car at airports.
dan mcenroe
Shriners do it all the time.
Holden Caulfield |
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What about atheists? Do we get a symbol?
Holden Caulfield
I was thinking of a microscope with the phrase 'We Know'.
Falstaff |
04.15.08 - 9:49 am | #
What about atheists? Do we get a symbol?
Holden Caulfield
A null set?
Rmj, Unfashionable Theologist |
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04.15.08 - 9:49 am | #
No job approval polls before Truman.
Thanks. BTW, I hate that "since x" construction. Yesterday the radio said that "this is Pope Benedict's first visit to New York since he was elected pope in 2005." Which makes me wonder "you mean he was in New York when he was elected?" And then the next minute I spent contemplating why his visits to New York were being tracked so carefully. (I know why they use that construction--packing more info--but it's so often counter-productive because it confuses the hell out of me. Carry on...)
Halfdan |
04.15.08 - 9:50 am | #
3% a month is more than 36% a year because of compounding.
euphronius
The inflation rate is nothing like compound interest.
Holden Caulfield |
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04.15.08 - 9:50 am | #
German hyperinflation, 1923"
Ich bin ein Weimaraner.
Sufferin' Hussein Succotash |
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I think I'm gonna write my legislator to propose a Santeria license plate.
Florida, Drinking Bleach |
04.15.08 - 9:50 am | #
and so it continues: people post their reasoned arguments and are then told they are misogynist or simply told they are wrong without a contrary argument. That is the origin of the ill-feelings around these parts. This is the argument. What is the counterargument?
I have no problem with the "no surrender" part. Good for her if she wants to give all voters a voice in the nomination. But what happens if her strategy is semi-successful? If she mortally wounds Obama but he still secures the nomination? What then?
Halfdan
According to EVERYTHING I have read, there is NO CHANCE she can win without either tearing the party apart by taking the nomination with superdelegates or tearing the party apart by damaging Barack so badly that he has to withdraw or the delegates will reject him. Either way the operant words are, "Tearing the party apart."
My remaining question is, "Why do this if she cannot win without doing these things?"
DWD |
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04.15.08 - 9:50 am | #
What about atheists? Do we get a symbol?
Holden Caulfield
The fish on legs?
George Johnston |
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04.15.08 - 9:50 am | #
GWPDA: Ferguson's rather painted himself into a corner as an apologist for things, such as imperialism, that simply can't be taken seriously today. It's as carelessly anachronistic and inaccurate as if somebody still thought well of Stalin, say, as the savior of Russia and the best hope of the new Socialist man.
ProfWombat |
04.15.08 - 9:50 am | #
Of course they treated Clinton like he was incredibly unpopular when his approval was in the 60s, too.
That's because they knew, even if no one else did, that he would turn into a racist, scum-sucking, turd-eating, Holocaust-denying, baby-chewing failure as a president ... and a red-face bully, liar and cheat.
They knew years before that America, especially liberal Democrats, should shun him and deny him his place in the party while his shrew of a wife tries to steal Barack Obama's legitimate claim to the presidency.
They were prescient.
megisi |
04.15.08 - 9:50 am | #
A null set?
Rmj, Unfashionable Theologist |
I was angling for ye olde middle finger.
Holden Caulfield |
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Yeah, you know you're bad when Pope Adolf I skips the dinner you're holding in his honor.
ignoreland |
04.15.08 - 9:51 am | #
Shriners do it all the time.
Holden Caulfield
Yeah, but no one's scared of those little go karts they drive in all the parades.
And, to be serious, they also don't say Allahu Akbar on their plates.
dan mcenroe |
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I think I'm gonna write my legislator to propose a Santeria license plate.
Florida, Drinking Bleach
Sounds good to us.
Sublime |
04.15.08 - 9:51 am | #
Sinfonian, having a cross like that is highly problematic.
The official seal of the City of Austin (Texas, y'all) fetures a cross.
Holden Caulfield
Madalyn Murray fought that fight, IIRC.
She lost.
Rmj, Unfashionable Theologist |
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And how is Obama to be construed, even remotely, as a Marxist? What is a Marxist, anyway?
MARXIST, adj. : Word applied to someone in American politics that the one applying the word doesn't like, e.g. "My opponent is a Marxist."
but he’s got some positions that are far to the left of me
Joe Lie, Albert Speer had some positions to your left.
Atrios, I have a question for you. Would you agree that our fucked up economy is a result of Reaganomics? And if so, would you consider writing a post about how Reagan's economic policies have all but destroyed the middle class?
Thanks.
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04.15.08 - 9:51 am | #
The official seal of the City of Austin (Texas, y'all) fetures a cross.
Never noticed that before. It's so tiny!
War On War Off |
04.15.08 - 9:51 am | #
Well, if the license plate didn't raise your blood pressure, how about the most hateful blog in the world? (No, it's not Drudge.)
Parody or genuine? You decide.
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04.15.08 - 9:52 am | #
Yeah, but no one's scared of those little go karts they drive in all the parades.
And, to be serious, they also don't say Allahu Akbar on their plates.
dan mcenroe
Yeah, but they do have the crescent on their trunks, and they wear fez like Attaturk.
Holden Caulfield |
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Ich bin ein Weimaraner.
Sufferin' Hussein Succotash
At least Wiemar had some great art and decadence before the shit hit the fan. We got Britney.
dan mcenroe |
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04.15.08 - 9:52 am | #
the pope did visit new york before he was pope. signorile tells the story
Atrios |
04.15.08 - 9:52 am | #
Never noticed that before. It's so tiny!
War On War Off
If I had a dollar for every time I've heard that ...
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04.15.08 - 9:53 am | #
Yeah, you know you're bad when Pope Adolf I skips the dinner you're holding in his honor.
The Pope eats alone, by tradition (or with his close advisors). That no one in the Bush White House Office of Protocol did not know this is not a shocker.
ThinlyVeiled |
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04.15.08 - 9:53 am | #
the pope did visit new york before he was pope.
He went shoe shopping with Condi?
pie |
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04.15.08 - 9:53 am | #
Atta J. Turk's Treasury of Cindy McCain Recipes
attaturk
Nice.
But at least one of those recipes should feture Percocet as an ingredient.
Holden Caulfield |
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I think I'm gonna write my legislator to propose a Santeria license plate.
Florida, Drinking Bleach
Sounds good to us.
Sublime
Dammit. Thanks for the ear worm.
dan mcenroe |
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At least Wiemar had some great art and decadence before the shit hit the fan. We got Britney.
dan mcenroe
They had Joel Grey and Liza.
Rmj, Unfashionable Theologist |
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04.15.08 - 9:54 am | #
And Truman was a good president!
shrimplate |
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For the record, I don't care for that song, either.
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04.15.08 - 9:55 am | #
I think I'm gonna write my legislator to propose a Santeria license plate
Rastafarian, VooDoo, Quakers... everybody gets a plate.
Falstaff |
04.15.08 - 9:55 am | #
The Pope eats alone, by tradition (or with his close advisors). That no one in the Bush White House Office of Protocol did not know this is not a shocker.
ThinlyVeiled
In related news, George Thorogood drinks alone.
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04.15.08 - 9:56 am | #
Rastafarian, VooDoo, Quakers... everybody gets a plate.
Falstaff
No Quakers!
It'd just be a pantsless guy at a Tastee Freez anyway.
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04.15.08 - 9:56 am | #
He went shoe shopping with Condi?
Tired of always wearing red.
Holden Caulfield |
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The Pope eats alone, by tradition (or with his close advisors). That no one in the Bush White House Office of Protocol did not know this is not a shocker.
ThinlyVeiled
Dubya was lookin' forward to the Pope washing his feet and kissing his ring.
attaturk |
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04.15.08 - 9:56 am | #
Randy Johnson pitched well last night. 44 years old.
euphronius |
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04.15.08 - 9:57 am | #
Who cares? Pope Bentdick is coming! Shut down the whole freaking country for a guy referred to as His Holiness.
B1 Bummer Prog Frog |
04.15.08 - 9:57 am | #
From Atrios' link:
Suddenly, I jumped up on one of the marble platforms and, looking down, I addressed the entire congregation in the loudest voice I could. My voice rang out as if it were amplified. I pointed at Ratzinger and shouted: "He is no man of God!" The shocked faces of the assembled Catholics turned to the back of the room to look at me as I continued: "He is no man of God -- he is the Devil!"
I had no idea where that came from. A horrible moan rippled across the room, and suddenly a pair of handcuffs was clamped on my wrists and I was pulled down….
War On War Off |
04.15.08 - 9:57 am | #
At least Wiemar had some great art and decadence before the shit hit the fan. We got Britney.
So all we got is decadence? Hey, halfway there!
And we'll definitely get there as soon as I finish my landmark novel about a young man spending seven years at a sanatorium in the Swiss Alps before WW1.
Sufferin' Hussein Succotash |
04.15.08 - 9:57 am | #
In related news, George Thorogood drinks alone
Oh, great. Good luck getting THAT out of mah haid.
What? I was talking about my ego.
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04.15.08 - 9:57 am | #
The Pope eats alone, by tradition (or with his close advisors). That no one in the Bush White House Office of Protocol did not know this is not a shocker.
ThinlyVeiled
Doesn't this go to Jon Stewart's rant last night? What is wrong with having a president who is elite? Why is that wrong? We should WANT someone who thinks he is a little better than everyone else and able to prove it. Haven't we had enough of the other type?
DWD |
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04.15.08 - 9:57 am | #
Rastafarian Voodoo Quakers would be a great name for a rock band.
Revenant |
04.15.08 - 9:58 am | #
In related news, George Thorogood drinks alone.
Sinfonian's outrage goes to 11
and when he does, he apparently prefers to be by himself.
bill |
04.15.08 - 9:58 am | #
The Pope eats alone, by tradition
We're not supposed to see him eating Jeebus!
War On War Off |
04.15.08 - 9:58 am | #
Suddenly, I jumped up on one of the marble platforms and, looking down, I addressed the entire congregation in the loudest voice I could. My voice rang out as if it were amplified. I pointed at Ratzinger and shouted: "He is no man of God!" The shocked faces of the assembled Catholics turned to the back of the room to look at me as I continued: "He is no man of God -- he is the Devil!"
Something like that happened at Eschacon, except with the Rude Pundit.
Sinfonian, earworm instigator |
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04.15.08 - 9:58 am | #
George is also bad to his bone.
B1 Bummer Prog Frog |
04.15.08 - 9:58 am | #
The Pope eats alone, by tradition
That's because he eats Jewish babies.
attaturk |
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04.15.08 - 9:58 am | #
In related news, George Thorogood drinks alone
Man, that was bad to the bone.
Revenant |
04.15.08 - 9:58 am | #
Good morning, all!
And we'll definitely get there as soon as I finish my landmark novel about a young man spending seven years at a sanatorium in the Swiss Alps before WW1.
Sufferin' Hussein Succotash
You have to add a couple of cyborgs and a flaming helicopter crash or you'll never sell the movie rights.
Gummo |
04.15.08 - 9:58 am | #
Randy Johnson pitched well last night. 44 years old.
euphronius
Watching a ball game with my mom a few years back...she asked my they kept calling Randy Johnson a "big eunuch." She said, "He looks pretty masculine to me."
dan mcenroe |
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04.15.08 - 9:59 am | #
Joe Lieberman thinks it's a good question to ask whether Truman was a Marxist. After all, Harry was in favor of universal health care.
Florida, Drinking Bleach |
04.15.08 - 9:59 am | #
Rastafarian Voodoo Quakers would be a great name for a rock band.
Revenant
First hit would have to be Buffalo Objectors.
Falstaff |
04.15.08 - 9:59 am | #
big eunuch, heh.
euphronius |
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Watching a ball game with my mom a few years back...she asked my they kept calling Randy Johnson a "big eunuch." She said, "He looks pretty masculine to me."
dan mcenroe
Must have been in his long-haired days.
Sinfonian, earworm instigator |
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04.15.08 - 9:59 am | #
Oh, Ratzo said he is ashamed about that hole child molesting thing. Big of him.
B1 Bummer Prog Frog |
04.15.08 - 9:59 am | #
What is wrong with having a president who is elite?
The people in the MSM who cry "Elitist" are the same ones who make millions and spend their summers on Martha's Vinyard.
Give me a break.
How much money is Cindy McCain worth?
Unrepentant Fenian |
04.15.08 - 10:00 am | #
Course, Bill Clinton didn't sit around and discuss whether to burn prisoners with cigarettes first and then hit them with chains or whether to reverse the order.
Hecate, Runnymeade Conspirator |
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What? I was talking about my ego.
That's as good a name for it as anything else, I suppose.
They could do the GAY RASTAFARIAN VOODOO QUAKER LIMBO TANGO AND WANGO DANCE.
Sinfonian, earworm instigator |
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You have to add a couple of cyborgs and a flaming helicopter crash or you'll never sell the movie rights.
Gummo
Maybe not. Brad Pitt might do that picture in between big projects to prove he' all deep and stuff.
dan mcenroe |
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04.15.08 - 10:00 am | #
Randy Johnson pitched well last night. 44 years old.
Simon said he sucked, but Paula thought he was just dreamy.
Holden Caulfield |
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04.15.08 - 10:01 am | #
Oh, Ratzo said he is ashamed about that hole child molesting thing. Big of him.
Well, of course he is ashamed. Ashamed that, despite his best efforts to keep it secret, it came out, anyway.
ThinlyVeiled |
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04.15.08 - 10:01 am | #
Oh, Ratzo said he is ashamed about that hole child molesting thing. Big of him.
B1 Bummer Prog Frog
That was Khalid Sheik Mohammed's fault, actually.
Sinfonian, earworm instigator |
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04.15.08 - 10:01 am | #
Bwahahahaha! Big Eunuch!
B1 Bummer Prog Frog |
04.15.08 - 10:01 am | #
You have to add a couple of cyborgs and a flaming helicopter crash or you'll never sell the movie rights.
Well, I am planning to include a duel between an Italian dude and a wacko Jesuit--what till you read the surprise ending! And then there's some kewl war stuff planned for the very end.
Sufferin' Hussein Succotash |
04.15.08 - 10:01 am | #
Watching a ball game with my mom a few years back...she asked my they kept calling Randy Johnson a "big eunuch." She said, "He looks pretty masculine to me."
dan mcenroe
Your mother is Emily Litella??
Gummo |
04.15.08 - 10:01 am | #
Rastafarian, VooDoo, Quakers... everybody gets a plate.
Falstaff
I and I approve of the the Rastafarian plate. But that's just a picture of a maple leaf, officer!
Florida, Drinking Bleach |
04.15.08 - 10:01 am | #
How much money is Cindy McCain worth?
Unrepentant Fenian
A hell of a lot less than five G's, I'll tell ya that much.
Eliot Spitzer |
04.15.08 - 10:01 am | #
This morning on NPR:
The pope was against the war in Iraq until his position evolved and he came to understand that American troops are needed to protect democracy in Iraq, etc. etc.
Not too subtle, Sylvia, who's apprently all tingly that Joey Rats is traveling to the U.S. to make nice with the proles and recall the good ol' days when he was in the army.
Yeah, she said, "evolved."
megisi |
04.15.08 - 10:02 am | #
The pope was against the war in Iraq until his position evolved and he came to understand that American troops are needed to protect democracy in Iraq, etc. etc.
What, Cheney got to him?
Sinfonian, earworm instigator |
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Seriously, though. Will a meeting between George and Bentdick cause critical suckdom mass?
B1 Bummer Prog Frog |
04.15.08 - 10:03 am | #
Course, Bill Clinton didn't sit around and discuss whether to burn prisoners with cigarettes first and then hit them with chains or whether to reverse the order.
Hecate, Runnymeade Conspirator
A president whose biggest peccadillo is a pecker-dildo is looking pretty good these days.
Gummo |
04.15.08 - 10:03 am | #
Damn, NPR has turned into Nazi Pope Radio
Penguin |
04.15.08 - 10:03 am | #
"jesus don't like killing no matter what the reason's for"
Halfdan |
04.15.08 - 10:03 am | #
Forgive me, but I could not care less about the pope's visit.
The pope is dead to me.
Vicki, Who Hurts, Al Gore! |
04.15.08 - 10:03 am | #
John Paul II was against the war from the start and told Bush so to his face.
Unrepentant Fenian |
04.15.08 - 10:03 am | #
Yeah, she said, "evolved."
megisi
That's OK; the Catholic Church recognizes the theory of evolution. Of course, evolution usually moves towards a higher, more intelligent form, but what are you gonna do?
dan mcenroe |
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04.15.08 - 10:04 am | #
What is wrong with having a president who is elite?
The people in the MSM who cry "Elitist" are the same ones who make millions and spend their summers on Martha's Vinyard.
Al Gore = "out of touch elitist"
John Kerry = "out of touch elitist"
Barack Obama = "out of touch elitist"
There is a consistent GOP effort to paint the Democrats as the Party of the Spoiled Rich. this is to avoid the general public realizing just which is ACTUALLY the Party of the Spoiled Rich.
The Democrats could run anyone, anyone at all. S/He would still be demonized as an "out of touch elitist".
We have a DJ here in Detroit, goes by the handle "Meltdown," who refers to himself as "The Big Unit." Idiot rightwinger, thinks that Elizabeth Hasselback is an American hero. I have met him. He is an asshole.
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04.15.08 - 10:05 am | #
dan mcenroe,
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evolution usually moves towards a higher, more intelligent form
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I do not believe evolutionary biology supports that claim.
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04.15.08 - 10:05 am | #
It makes perfect sense that the pope dines alone, especially since he's a nosferatu.
B1 Bummer Prog Frog |
04.15.08 - 10:05 am | #
What, Cheney got to him?
Sinfonian, earworm instigator | Homepage | 04.15.08 - 10:03 am
Got to his inner Gargoyle.
Tom - 大肚腩 |
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04.15.08 - 10:05 am | #
There is a consistent GOP effort to paint the Democrats as the Party of the Spoiled Rich.
So you're saying Hillary Clinton is a Republican?
Halfdan |
04.15.08 - 10:05 am | #
Bush went to school in a limo. But he's not elitist.
Unrepentant Fenian |
04.15.08 - 10:05 am | #
The dood's name is Randy Johnson. That's the dopest name ever. Why do you need a nickname when your real name is randy johnson?
Florida, Drinking Bleach |
04.15.08 - 10:06 am | #
There is a consistent GOP effort to paint the Democrats as the Party of the Spoiled Rich. this is to avoid the general public realizing just which is ACTUALLY the Party of the Spoiled Rich.
The Democrats could run anyone, anyone at all. S/He would still be demonized as an "out of touch elitist".
Biggest and best trick in the Rove playbook is the simple art of projection.
Know your biggest weakness and accuse your enemy of it first.
Gummo |
04.15.08 - 10:06 am | #
Idiot rightwinger, thinks that Elizabeth Hasselback is an American hero. I have met him. He is an asshole.
ThinlyVeiled
Needless to say ...
Sinfonian, earworm instigator |
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04.15.08 - 10:06 am | #
Course, Bill Clinton didn't sit around and discuss whether to burn prisoners with cigarettes first and then hit them with chains or whether to reverse the order.
Oh, he must have done something equally bad, something, anything ... I mean, he's such human filth now, that has to be true.
For instance, how dare he speak in public? he should be retroactively impeached.
Plus, he's old ... just like his scum-sucking wife who is trying to racistically steal Barack Obama's presidency.
megisi |
04.15.08 - 10:06 am | #
I do not believe evolutionary biology supports that claim.
Sure, get all scientific on my snark, why don't ya?
dan mcenroe |
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04.15.08 - 10:06 am | #
Evolution doesn't 'move' to 'higher' forms of life, but to organisms better suited to their environment and thereby more likely to reproduce. No teleology at all in it. That's why 'social Darwinism' is neither terribly social nor at all Darwinian.
But you were probably snarking, and know that...
ProfWombat |
04.15.08 - 10:06 am | #
Al Gore = "out of touch elitist"
John Kerry = "out of touch elitist"
Barack Obama = "out of touch elitist"
There is a consistent GOP effort to paint the Democrats as the Party of the Spoiled Rich. this is to avoid the general public realizing just which is ACTUALLY the Party of the Spoiled Rich.
Course, Bill Clinton didn't sit around and discuss whether to burn prisoners with cigarettes first and then hit them with chains or whether to reverse the order.
Of course not. The Clenis didn't need torture talk to get it up.
I, happily, have never listened to him.
pie |
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04.15.08 - 10:07 am | #
It makes perfect sense that the pope dines alone, especially since he's a nosferatu.
You'd be surprised at how few hostesses know how to prepare virgin's blood soup well.
Molly Ivors |
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04.15.08 - 10:07 am | #
Since I was mostly dead-threaded, here's another look at Florida's latest proposed license plate.
Hence my outrage.
Sinfonian's outrage goes to 11
I'm surprised. I would have thought they changed the state motto to "Have gun will work" by now.
merry ken idle |
04.15.08 - 10:07 am | #
Does anybody know a "movement" conservative (as opposed to a regular person who thinks he's a conservative) who isn't an asshole?
B1 Bummer Prog Frog |
04.15.08 - 10:07 am | #
Idiot rightwinger, thinks that Elizabeth Hasselback is an American hero.
Appearing on "Survivor" is the moral equivalent of going to war!
Gummo |
04.15.08 - 10:07 am | #
If this is old news, sorry, I had not read it. But I am giggling. What will they call it? Farfallegate? Rosemary Chicken Dome Scandal? Perhaps something with the ubiquitous Rachael Ray in it.
It seems that Cindy McCain, John McCain's perfect, blonde beer-baroness wife is about to find herself painted as the latest example of plagiarism on the campaign trail.
This past Sunday, Lauren Handel, an eagle-eyed attorney from New York, was searching for a specific recipe from Giada DeLaurentis, a chef on the Food Network. Yet whenever she Googled the different ingredients in the recipe, the oddest thing happened: not only did the Food Network's site come up, as expected, but so did John McCain's campaign site.
Did I mention the biscuits also have some nice applewood bacon in them as well?
GWPDA, yclept Irate Historian |
04.15.08 - 10:08 am | #
Does anybody know a "movement" conservative (as opposed to a regular person who thinks he's a conservative) who isn't an asshole?
Well, sure, there's...wait, hold on a sec...
...jeez, there *must* be someone...
dan mcenroe |
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04.15.08 - 10:08 am | #
The Pope is a nose ferret too?
Meanie-meanie, tickler person |
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04.15.08 - 10:08 am | #
You'd be surprised at how few hostesses know how to prepare virgin's blood soup well.
No garlic, dammit!
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04.15.08 - 10:08 am | #
I, happily, have never listened to him.
I don't, generally, either, Pie. But, my SO's a musician, and I am, from time to time, forced to socialize with folks involved in local radio, like it or not.
ThinlyVeiled |
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04.15.08 - 10:08 am | #
OT: Science!
Controlled testing yesterday has revealed information about the effect of Winamp random play on babies:
Babies LOVE when you sing Queen songs to them.
Babies do NOT like Aerosmith at all.
Babies are fairly indifferent to having Primus sung at them.
Surprising finding of the night: Public Enemny's "One Million Bottlebags" makes babies fall asleep.
Nim, ham hock of liberty |
04.15.08 - 10:09 am | #
"Yo Pope, pass some o'them nacho chips down here."
-The situation that has been avoided
Penguin |
04.15.08 - 10:09 am | #
I can haz sexbot?
ThatGuy |
04.15.08 - 10:09 am | #
Biggest and best trick in the Rove playbook is the simple art of projection.
Know your biggest weakness and accuse your enemy of it first.
Gummo | 04.15.08 - 10:06 am
Lord knows Atrios' trolls have been faithful practitioners each and every day for at least the last 5 years.
Tom - 大肚腩 |
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04.15.08 - 10:09 am | #
It makes perfect sense that the pope dines alone, especially since he's a nosferatu.
Maybe we'll see him emerge from a White House window and crawl right down the wall head-first.
Sufferin' Hussein Succotash |
04.15.08 - 10:09 am | #
It makes perfect sense that the pope dines alone, especially since he's a nosferatu.
Maybe we'll see him emerge from a White House window and crawl right down the wall head-first.
Sufferin' Hussein Succotash |
04.15.08 - 10:09 am | #
Forgive me, but I could not care less about the pope's visit.
The pope is dead to me.
I care not for cardinals unless they call Busch Stadium home.
Certified Mutant Enemy |
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04.15.08 - 10:09 am | #
dan: don't feel bad. I once misstated the Chandrasekhar limit on this blog, fakrissake, and was beaten up for it by three or four posters within minutes. You can't get away with anything here.
Sort of the same standard they don't much apply to, y'know, Bush, or his enablers, or just about anybody in the media at all...
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04.15.08 - 10:09 am | #
You'd be surprised at how few hostesses know how to prepare virgin's blood soup well.
Reminds me of the old 'sick' joke:
"Mommy, mommy, what's a vampire?"
"Shut up and eat your soup before it clots!"
Gummo |
04.15.08 - 10:09 am | #
Plus, he's old ... just like his scum-sucking wife who is trying to racistically steal Barack Obama's presidency.
megisi |
I posted my argument above and asked for counterarguments: is this one yours?
(Game, set, and match if so)
DWD |
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04.15.08 - 10:09 am | #
He has more money than probably most but not all of Eschaton commenters, and a lot less than either Hillary or St. McCain.
Nim, ham hock of liberty |
04.15.08 - 10:10 am | #
Is/was Barack Obama rich?
As i said, irrelevant. the point is to portray him as such.
And, to the 3 part-time minimum-wage jobber, the basic Senatorial income is pretty damn wealthy, innit?
hello bats! anyone here still defending the clintons and their elitist entitlement scheme to garner the dem nomination.
I've had a hard time trying not to wish that Monica Lewinsy would kneecap Hillary at some point and shout out, "He's mine! Do you hear me? He's all mine!"
Nuts! kinda' marxist |
04.15.08 - 10:11 am | #
Does anybody know a "movement" conservative (as opposed to a regular person who thinks he's a conservative) who isn't an asshole?
I know one of the former, and several of the latter. All friends, all basically good people, even the lone 'nut. Go figger...
Meanie-meanie, tickler person |
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04.15.08 - 10:12 am | #
and I am, from time to time, forced to socialize with folks involved in local radio, like it or not.
Oh, it wasn't a criticism. Frankly, when we moved here, we tried to find a good radio station to listen to, especially after being fans of WXRT in Chicago. I thought that Detroit would surely have a good one. Must have missed it, because we never did find one.
pie |
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04.15.08 - 10:12 am | #
Is/was Barack Obama rich?
As i said, irrelevant. the point is to portray him as such.
A relative of mine once got all hot and bothered over the fact that "millionaire" Hillary was going to receive a pension for her work in the Senate. Couldn't believe our tax dollars were going to cover a millionaire's retirement.
I said, simply, "Cheney gets the same pension."
dan mcenroe |
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04.15.08 - 10:13 am | #
I've had a hard time trying not to wish that Monica Lewinsy would kneecap Hillary at some point and shout out, "He's mine! Do you hear me? He's all mine!"
Nuts!
At the very least, we need to revisit that whole Gennifer Flowers business.
merry ken idle |
04.15.08 - 10:13 am | #
TMI, Chimpy. TMI.
In this house, President Jefferson spread the word that liberty was the right of every individual. In this house, Jefferson sent Lewis and Clark off on the mission that helped make America a continental nation. And in this house, Jefferson was known to receive guests in his bathrobe and slippers. Laura said no. I don't have a bathrobe.
"If Jen can hit the high notes in "Great Gig in the Sky" I want to see that shit on YouTube.
dan mcenroe"
I will regret admitting this, but I bet I could. I can hit notes in like 4, maybe 5 different octaves.
It's not something anyone would actually want to hear, however.
Nim, ham hock of liberty |
04.15.08 - 10:13 am | #
I've had a hard time trying not to wish that Monica Lewinsy would kneecap Hillary at some point and shout out, "He's mine! Do you hear me? He's all mine!"
I would prefer to see Jeff Gannon push Laura Bush off the stage, screaming"He's mine! He's all mine!".
leibniz♘☮ |
04.15.08 - 10:13 am | #
pie,
Try LAV FM (96.9) in Grand Rapids, if you can get it. Classic rock, still programmed by a person, not a bot.
Vicki, Who Hurts, Al Gore! |
04.15.08 - 10:14 am | #
I've had a hard time trying not to wish that Monica Lewinsy would kneecap Hillary at some point and shout out, "He's mine! Do you hear me? He's all mine!"
Nuts! kinda' marxist
Would HRC scream, "Why me?"
Sinfonian, earworm instigator |
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04.15.08 - 10:14 am | #
Cindy McCain is a maverick recipe plagiarist. I'm sure Tweety will devote the rest of the week discussing this critical matter.
ThatGuy |
04.15.08 - 10:14 am | #
Biggest and best trick in the Rove playbook is the simple art of projection.
Know your biggest weakness and accuse your enemy of it first.
My wife is fond of that school of thought.
Billy B |
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04.15.08 - 10:14 am | #
I said, simply, "Cheney gets the same pension."
Yeah, but he earned it.
NTodd, Poontang Hunter |
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04.15.08 - 10:14 am | #
I've had a hard time trying not to wish that Monica Lewinsy would kneecap Hillary at some point and shout out, "He's mine! Do you hear me? He's all mine!"
He's less wealthy than the other candidates. But the message is that he's too rich for his skin tone.
Penguin |
04.15.08 - 10:14 am | #
Is/was Barack Obama rich?
Lower-middle class upbringing at best.
Brains got him into Harvard, Harvard Law degree got him wealth.
A very American story.
Holden Caulfield |
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04.15.08 - 10:14 am | #
I can hit notes in like 4, maybe 5 different octaves.
I used to have a four octave range, but that was back in college. I'm not sure I can even do karaoke now.
dan mcenroe |
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04.15.08 - 10:15 am | #
1. cindy mccain has food recipes on the mccain website??? (outrage #1)
2. she plagerized them?
actually, that pretty much sums her up in a nutshell.
euphronius cert. denied |
04.15.08 - 10:15 am | #
Jefferson was known to receive guests in his bathrobe and slippers. Laura said no. I don't have a bathrobe.
TJ was still in his PJ's drunk from the night before by midafternoon?
Damn, Chimpy and Jefferson DO have something in common! Besides a relationship with a black servant girl, i mean.
But less so than Bush's.
Halfdan |
04.15.08 - 10:16 am | #
Morning all.
Sorry for the blogwhore, but my extremely amusing and perceptive take on Martin Scorsese's "Shine a Light" is up at the homepage for those who care.
steve hussein simels |
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04.15.08 - 10:16 am | #
There's only one way to settle this: Giada & Cindy, Iron Chef, LIVE!!!
dan mcenroe |
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04.15.08 - 10:16 am | #
Brains got him into Harvard, Rezko got him wealth.
I thought that Detroit would surely have a good one. Must have missed it, because we never did find one.
Yeah, there really isn't, which is a shame, considering all the great music that has come out of here. I'll listen to WDTW (Detroit's "Progressive Talk," ya' know...meh)while cooking, until it craps out at around 7pm, but other than that, I don't listen to radio much at all any more. I think you're a little farther out than I am, but we get a station from Toledo (104.7, WIOT I think), but only in the car, which isn't half bad.
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04.15.08 - 10:16 am | #
Brains got him into Harvard, Harvard Law degree got him wealth.
A very American story.
In other words, he's uppity.
Sufferin' Hussein Succotash |
04.15.08 - 10:16 am | #
Forgive me, but I could not care less about the pope's visit.
The pope is dead to me.
Forgive you? For being sane? Jeebus! the catholic church couldn't wait to sign that concordat with nazi Germany - 1932 was the year I believe the church put it's stamp of approval on the nazis - and razi the nazi? well the name speaks for itself - fuck the idiot superstitious morons!
Nuts! kinda' marxist |
04.15.08 - 10:17 am | #
That guy owes me a cup of coffee. . . .
DWD |
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04.15.08 - 10:17 am | #
I used to have a four octave range, but that was back in college. I'm not sure I can even do karaoke now.
I've got about 4 notes in my entire arsenal. I'm banned from local karaoke bars.
SteveNS |
04.15.08 - 10:17 am | #
But the message is that he's too rich for his skin tone.
Penguin
Okay, I was all set to make a "rich Corinthian leather" joke but it was too unPC even for me....
Gummo |
04.15.08 - 10:17 am | #
I think Michelle had the good job, then he made decent money off his book.
But as he's noted, writing a best seller really isn't an economic plan for most people.
Molly Ivors |
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04.15.08 - 10:17 am | #
Ferguson's rather painted himself into a corner
I wasn't familiar with Ferguson so I just did a quick read in Wiki. Interesting. Pretty much a 'black is white' position to everything I learned in school.
Finny |
04.15.08 - 10:17 am | #
"president Bush is popular in Montana"-cable news tart
jr |
04.15.08 - 10:17 am | #
Classic rock, still programmed by a person, not a bot.
I was talking Detroit proper. There's a newer one in Ann Arbor that's not bad. They invite artists in to play live and do acoustic Sunday. Used to be quite a nice mix of old and new, but it's become more predictable of late.
pie |
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04.15.08 - 10:17 am | #
In this house, President Jefferson spread the word that liberty was the right of every individual.
Not to split hairs, but TJ wrote the Declaration of Independence in Philly...
Billy B |
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04.15.08 - 10:17 am | #
"Is/was Barack Obama rich?"
Lower-middle class upbringing at best.
Brains got him into Harvard, Harvard Law degree got him wealth.
A very American story.
Kind of like Bill Clinton. No wonder the pundits don't like him.
Certified Mutant Enemy |
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04.15.08 - 10:18 am | #
I used to have a four octave range, but that was back in college. I'm not sure I can even do karaoke now.
I've got about 4 notes in my entire arsenal. I'm banned from local karaoke bars.
SteveNS | 04.15.08 - 10:17 am
The special tonight is the John Prine/Leon Redbone songbook.
Tom - 大肚腩 |
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04.15.08 - 10:18 am | #
I can only imagine that green bean and cream of mushroom soup casserole with crunchy onion bits on top would be one of Cindy and John McCain's "secret" family recipes. (It is in my family.)
Bad Art |
04.15.08 - 10:18 am | #
Obama's mom was on foodstamps for a period of time.
Not so, the Rodhams.
Holden Caulfield |
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04.15.08 - 10:18 am | #
Personally, I hope the media don't even devote a second to the recipe plagiarism issue. It would just give them another excuse to not talk about anything substantive in this election cycle.
proud atheist |
04.15.08 - 10:18 am | #
I'm banned from local karaoke bars.
SteveNS
"Dude, you're no Lou Reed."
dan mcenroe |
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04.15.08 - 10:18 am | #
Is/was Barack Obama rich?
He's less wealthy than the other candidates. But the message is that he's too rich for his skin tone.
Behold, Truth has come to visit. Listen, and remember.
Commenter using word "elitist" with respect to a Dam candidate ==> mental killfile.
blerb |
04.15.08 - 10:19 am | #
1. cindy mccain has food recipes on the mccain website??? (outrage #1)
2. she plagerized them?
actually, that pretty much sums her up in a nutshell.
euphronius cert. denied
Her recipe for battered trollops is her own. [I apologize in advance]
Falstaff |
04.15.08 - 10:19 am | #
but we get a station from Toledo (104.7, WIOT I think), but only in the car, which isn't half bad.
We've listened to that when we're driving through the area. It is good.
pie |
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04.15.08 - 10:19 am | #
Christ, don't let Jen sing Pink Floyd to the littlest hamhock.
Vicki, Who Hurts, Al Gore!
"One of these days..."
Meanie-meanie, tickler person |
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04.15.08 - 10:19 am | #
Classic rock, still programmed by a person, not a bot.
Do commercial radio stations even have request lines anymore?
racymind |
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04.15.08 - 10:19 am | #
Forgive you? For being sane? Jeebus! the catholic church couldn't wait to sign that concordat with nazi Germany - 1932 was the year I believe the church put it's stamp of approval on the nazis - and razi the nazi? well the name speaks for itself - fuck the idiot superstitious morons!
Well, as someone who was brought up in the bowels of Catholicism, by saying, "he's dead to me," I still fully realize that by dissing the Church, I'm going straight to "H"-"E"-"Double Toothpicks."
Vicki, Who Hurts, Al Gore! |
04.15.08 - 10:19 am | #
She's a twit, yes. But accusing someone of plagerizing a recipe is just silly.
cahuenga |
04.15.08 - 10:20 am | #
The special tonight is the John Prine/Leon Redbone songbook.
There was a repeat of John Prine on Austin City Limits this week. Looks weird (puffy cheeks) but can still croak okay. He had cancer and the radiation dropped his voice an octave or something. I love that man. Since "The Missing Years" his songs have tended to sound the same, but I liked the one "some humans ain't human some people ain't kind."
Halfdan |
04.15.08 - 10:20 am | #
Not to split hairs, but TJ wrote the Declaration of Independence in Philly...
Billy B
Chimpy felt the Declaration of Independnece needed an extra word or two.
After countless centuries when the powerful and the privileged governed as they pleased, Jefferson proclaimed as a self-evident truth that liberty was a right given to all people by an Almighty.
I would prefer to see Jeff Gannon push Laura Bush off the stage, screaming"He's mine! He's all mine!".
leibniz♘☮
What a pleasant thought!
Nuts! kinda' marxist |
04.15.08 - 10:20 am | #
hell? the RCC made that up to scare the teutonic tribes into converting.
euphronius cert. denied |
04.15.08 - 10:20 am | #
"All of Bush's ratings are marked by sharp partisanship. Just 7 percent of Democrats approve of his work overall (a point from the low in this group) compared with 74 percent of Republicans."
Remember - uniter, not divider.
Nim, ham hock of liberty |
04.15.08 - 10:20 am | #
LIEBERMAN: I’d hesitate to say he’s a Marxist, but he’s got some positions that are far to the left of me and I think mainstream America.
I think that most of America would not approve of Lieberman carving "Blood and Honor" in German on his four-inch wang with a Hitler Youth dagger.
But that's just me guessing.
.
GMT, Cracker-Bane |
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04.15.08 - 10:21 am | #
I would prefer to see Jeff Gannon push Laura Bush off the stage, screaming"He's mine! He's all mine!".
leibniz♘☮
Just keep Gannon away from McCain. That would make Tweety, Russert, Michael Scherer and all the other fanboys way jealous.
Florida, Drinking Bleach |
04.15.08 - 10:21 am | #
She's a twit, yes. But accusing someone of plagerizing a recipe is just silly.
cahuenga
Um, no. Not when they copy the recipe word for word, including the name of the dish.
Holden Caulfield |
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04.15.08 - 10:21 am | #
I posted my argument above and asked for counterarguments: is this one yours?
Nope, DWD ... I was snarking into the free air and not countering anyone else's argument.
I am not a Clinton supporter and was once on record in a Michigan newspaper as saying I would "hold my nose" and vote Clinton a second term.
But, I've grown incredibly disgusted at how far liberals have gone to discredit an ex-president and his candidate wife. It's unseemly.
And don't ask me for equal consideration for Obama ... because I consider him a very subtle and clever bigot and a likely failure from Day 1, I'm not the least bit concerned with what happens to him ... ever.
megisi |
04.15.08 - 10:21 am | #
Well, as someone who was brought up in the bowels of Catholicism, by saying, "he's dead to me," I still fully realize that by dissing the Church, I'm going straight to "H"-"E"-"Double Toothpicks."
We're all going to Hell.
Certified Mutant Enemy |
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04.15.08 - 10:21 am | #
Just 7 percent of Democrats approve of his work overall (a point from the low in this group) compared with 74 percent of Republicans.
So three of the four remaining Republicans in this country are still lying assholes.
This is not news.
.
GMT, Cracker-Bane |
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04.15.08 - 10:22 am | #
Bet Cindy McCain has an old family recipe for Steamed Hams...
War On War Off |
04.15.08 - 10:22 am | #
In other words, he's uppity.
Sufferin' Hussein Succotash
Is that you, Lyn?
Sinfonian, earworm instigator |
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04.15.08 - 10:22 am | #
She's a twit, yes. But accusing someone of plagerizing a recipe is just silly.
Um, no.
It's called "copyright infringement."
watertiger, I can haz bitter? |
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04.15.08 - 10:22 am | #
obama is a bigot? wow. ok.
euphronius cert. denied |
04.15.08 - 10:22 am | #
"After countless centuries when the powerful and the privileged governed as they pleased, Jefferson proclaimed as a self-evident truth that liberty was a right given to all people by an Almighty."
That he was not struck by lightning immediately after saying this, nor suffered any head explosions, is a good argument for atheism.
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04.15.08 - 10:22 am | #
Um, no. Not when they copy the recipe word for word, including the name of the dish.
In terms of copyright, ingredient lists don't apply. Directions for combining the ingredients, however, do. (And I know copyright is separate from plagiarism)
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04.15.08 - 10:22 am | #
Jefferson proclaimed as a self-evident truth that liberty was a right given to all people by an Almighty.
No he didn't.
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04.15.08 - 10:22 am | #
Obama's mom was on foodstamps for a period of time.
So she was an uppity elitist Cadillac driving welfare queen? Jeebus, I'm confused now.
Florida, Drinking Bleach |
04.15.08 - 10:23 am | #
I can haz doctor's appointment.
Catch you patriotz laterz.
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04.15.08 - 10:23 am | #
I've had a hard time trying not to wish that Monica Lewinsy would kneecap Hillary at some point and shout out, "He's mine! Do you hear me? He's all mine!"
Nuts! kinda' marxist
You know, it's no secret that I'm not a Hillary fan, but not to put too fine a point on it -- you're a real asshole and please go fuck yourself.
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04.15.08 - 10:23 am | #
Um, no. Not when they copy the recipe word for word, including the name of the dish.
And presenting it as your own, which is really the key point.
(She has recipes on his campaign site? Bizarre.)
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04.15.08 - 10:23 am | #
In terms of copyright, ingredient lists don't apply.
You need to change at least 20% of the ingredients to call it your own.
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04.15.08 - 10:23 am | #
Cindy McCain has a recipe for a special BBQ. It requires 5 crashed aircraft, a damaged carrier, a POW war criminal and a jilted wife. Oh, and some shredded S&L ruffage.
leibniz♘☮ |
04.15.08 - 10:23 am | #
Wonder which of Obama's opinions are to the left of mainstream. Universal health insurance, supported by solid majorities in every poll, even by physicians? Social security?
And how is Obama to be construed, even remotely, as a Marxist? What is a Marxist, anyway?--ProfWombat
Remember, dear Prof, Obama's being labeled a Marxist, Communist, Muslim, and Elitist, because those who do so are too cowardly to say what they really fear about him.
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04.15.08 - 10:23 am | #
Lower-middle class upbringing at best.
Brains got him into Harvard, Harvard Law degree got him wealth.
A very American story.
Could be Bill C's if you switch the college.
Funny that the middle class guys that pull theyselves up by their bootstraps are the ones they hate.
Actually it's not funny at all. The true 'elite' don't have the same skill sets as the other, so don't compete as well.
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04.15.08 - 10:23 am | #
A very American story.
Kind of like Bill Clinton. No wonder the pundits don't like him.
Certified Mutant Enemy
The American Dream is supposed to remain a dream. Sorta like there being only one birthday present in the whole world, and if one kid gets it, all the others are shit outta luck...
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04.15.08 - 10:24 am | #
Cindy McCain has a recipe for a special BBQ. It requires 5 crashed aircraft, a damaged carrier, a POW war criminal and a jilted wife. Oh, and some shredded S&L ruffage.
I love you.
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04.15.08 - 10:24 am | #
That he was not struck by lightning immediately after saying this, nor suffered any head explosions, is a good argument for atheism.
Nim, ham hock of liberty
In Truman's defense, he became prez during wartime, then had to deal with the aftermath of the war and Korea on top of that. Chimpy, on the other hand, became prez during a time of peace and prosperity and proceeded to f**k up everything he touched.
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04.15.08 - 10:24 am | #
She's a twit, yes. But accusing someone of plagerizing a recipe is just silly.
Um, actually, no. Creating a unique recipe can be just as complicated and time-consuming (although, sometimes, it's just dumb luck/an accident) as writing a song or a story. Having come up with a few myself, one of the few things about which I'm actually proud, I'd be quite pissed if I found out that someone took my work and claimed it for their own.
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04.15.08 - 10:24 am | #
I &heart; steve hussein simels.
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04.15.08 - 10:24 am | #
She's a twit, yes. But accusing someone of plagerizing a recipe is just silly.
cahuenga
No, no it is not. Pretending that something that someone else wrote is yours is called plagiarism. She got caught. It shows that the person who did it has no respect for the rules and they are willing to steal to advance themselves.
It is not silly: it is, in the gambler's vernacular, a "tell." It shows what is really going on inside of that person's head. What is going on inside that person's botox infused head is pretty fucking ugly.
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04.15.08 - 10:24 am | #
I still fully realize that by dissing the Church, I'm going straight to "H"-"E"-"Double Toothpicks."
Vicki, Who Hurts, Al Gore!
thanks for not calling me out on the cussing - I was raised catholic too - beaten not buggered and I'm never forgiving anyone for that - I sometimes wish there was a H E double-hockey-sticks place for these people to end up - instead they all lead a life of enormous privellage
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04.15.08 - 10:24 am | #
They call it the American dream because you have to be asleep to believe it.
-- George Carlin
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04.15.08 - 10:25 am | #
Well, crap. But you know what I meant.
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04.15.08 - 10:25 am | #
You need to change at least 20% of the ingredients to call it your own.
watertiger, I can haz bitter?
Well, the campaign worker who put the "McCain Family Recipes" together could have at the very least changed the names of the dishes.
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04.15.08 - 10:25 am | #
Could be Bill C's if you switch the college.
Funny that the middle class guys that pull theyselves up by their bootstraps are the ones they hate.
Conservative like to preach that America is the land of opportunity, but they truly hate Americans that demonstrate it.
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04.15.08 - 10:25 am | #
Still laffin' about Cindy stealing again...
McCain looks pretty old in that shot, watertiger.
Then again, he is old.
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04.15.08 - 10:25 am | #
So she was an uppity elitist Cadillac driving welfare queen?
'Cept she was white.
Halfdan |
04.15.08 - 10:25 am | #
...wat?
Nim, ham hock of liberty |
04.15.08 - 10:25 am | #
I wasn't familiar with Ferguson so I just did a quick read in Wiki.
Interesting. Pretty much a 'black is white' position to everything I
learned in school.
I did warn you.
GWPDA, yclept Irate Historian |
04.15.08 - 10:25 am | #
But, I've grown incredibly disgusted at how far liberals have gone to discredit an ex-president and his candidate wife. It's unseemly.
So, why do Bill and Hillary keep doing it?
Hillary's "San Francisco" comments are especially rich. Looks like Greenspan was right about the Clintons.
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04.15.08 - 10:25 am | #
Copyright and recipes.
Halfdan |
04.15.08 - 10:26 am | #
I mean, does anyone actually beleive that Cindy McCain was roused from her stupor long enough to actually plagiarize those recipes?
Some campaign lackey put that together, she probably didn't even now those recipes were on the McCain website.
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04.15.08 - 10:26 am | #
Work and shit want me to stop posting now. Later bats.
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04.15.08 - 10:27 am | #
Many wingnuts remind of the Daniel Day-Lewis character in "There Will Be Blood." It's not enough he succeeds, others must fail as well.
gonzolib |
04.15.08 - 10:27 am | #
Morphine Masala?
I was thinking Percocet chip cookies, but that works.
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04.15.08 - 10:27 am | #
Mere listings of ingredients as in recipes, formulas, compounds or prescriptions are not subject to copyright protection. However, where a recipe or formula is accompanied by substantial literary expression in the form of an explanation or directions, or when there is a combination of recipes, as in a cookbook, there may be a basis for copyright protection.
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04.15.08 - 10:28 am | #
I mean, does anyone actually beleive that Cindy McCain was roused from her stupor long enough to actually plagiarize those recipes?
Long enough to fish the fruit out of last night's drinks for her children's breakfast.
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04.15.08 - 10:28 am | #
Work and shit want me to stop posting now. Later bats.
dan mcenroe
You shouldn't let fecal matter push you around.
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04.15.08 - 10:28 am | #
Some campaign lackey put that together, she probably didn't even now those recipes were on the McCain website.
Holden Caulfield
If, by campaign lackey, you mean her maid.
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04.15.08 - 10:28 am | #
Hillary's "San Francisco" comments are especially rich. Looks like Greenspan was right about the Clintons.
I find the implication that San Franciscans, New Yorkers, etc. aren't real Americans distasteful.
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04.15.08 - 10:28 am | #
Some campaign lackey put that together, she probably didn't even now those recipes were on the McCain website.
Agreed. The thought that she'd let some steam from a pot of boiling pasta ruin her hairdo...
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04.15.08 - 10:28 am | #
I have my differences with Obama, but I don't see him as a bigot.
I also don't see rhetorical skill as something to be looked upon with suspicion. We've certainly been living with the converse. So I listen to what Obama has to say, agree with it mostly, disagree with it sometimes. But I don't see how you can hold his skill with the language as a negative.
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04.15.08 - 10:29 am | #
Funny that the middle class guys that pull theyselves up by their bootstraps are the ones they hate.
Actually it's not funny at all. The true 'elite' don't have the same skill sets as the other, so don't compete as well.
Billy B
might as well include John Edwards on that list - and yeah, these people are so much more talented than their silver spoon peers it is laughable like bush's supposed 125 IQ - which reminds me, have I ever mentioned that I have wings on my ass and at night I fly around my room... when no one can see me of course
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04.15.08 - 10:29 am | #
Molly,
Just add an "s" and you get the symbol.
♥
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04.15.08 - 10:29 am | #
I'm not the least bit concerned with what happens to him ... ever.
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You know, I think that right now anybody with a lick of sense or decency should see plainly that avoiding another Republican US presidency is pretty much synonymous with avoiding the precipitous collapse of America and possibly of human civilization as we know it. Anybody who places ANY other consideration above that is pretty much a wanker or a troll in my book.
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04.15.08 - 10:29 am | #
I find the implication that San Franciscans, New Yorkers, etc. aren't real Americans distasteful.
Certified Mutant Enemy
Especially after she won California.
Give me your votes, then let me treat you like lepers.
Long enough to fish the fruit out of last night's drinks for her children's breakfast.
coffee======>monitor
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04.15.08 - 10:29 am | #
where a recipe or formula is accompanied by substantial literary expression in the form of an explanation or directions
That's what I said the first time. We are right.
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04.15.08 - 10:29 am | #
But I don't see how you can hold his skill with the language as a negative.
I agree.
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04.15.08 - 10:30 am | #
repugnicants: elitist millionaires who fool enough idiot rubes that they are common man
happens everytime they win
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04.15.08 - 10:30 am | #
shitpile owls!!!!!!!!!!!!
leibniz♘☮ |
04.15.08 - 10:30 am | #
I also don't see rhetorical skill as something to be looked upon with suspicion. We've certainly been living with the converse. So I listen to what Obama has to say, agree with it mostly, disagree with it sometimes. But I don't see how you can hold his skill with the language as a negative.
ProfWombat
Clearly coded language for: "He's eloguent for a black man!"
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04.15.08 - 10:30 am | #
Glad you liked it, WT.
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04.15.08 - 10:30 am | #
I love John so much I even wrote a song about him. It goes.
"Shoe-lang shoe-lang, shoe-lang.
Shoe-lang, shoe-lang.
He's so fine. That little boy of mine."
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04.15.08 - 10:30 am | #
obama is a bigot? wow. ok.
Yup ... the day he wrote and later proclaimed publicly that people of my generation are not fit to serve in public office because we are too combative, that exposed him as someone willing to damage others and employ the weapon of wedge politics to advance his selfish aims.
His recent comments about small town people further cemented his reputation with me as a subtle bigot, one willing to tar people by group with foolish generalizations meant only to further his ambitions.
megisi |
04.15.08 - 10:30 am | #
And you can't convince me that there aren't a fair number of gay people a little nervous about Obama.
megisi |
04.15.08 - 10:31 am | #
at least democrats accept our latte-drinking lie...the repugnicants OWN the fucking coffee franchise, yet i am supposed to believe they are common because they are too fucking retarded to appreciate the finer things in life?
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04.15.08 - 10:31 am | #
But I don't see how you can hold his skill with the language as a negative.
ProfWombat
the repukkkes (includes hillary) and the msm fear his ability to speak and change people's minds - he's eloquent and thoughtful and decent - things they don't want to see in any election cycle
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04.15.08 - 10:32 am | #
megisi,
I have seen some "progressive" sites harping similar claims - that Obama is a sexist, and a homophobe - but the evidence for bigotry of any kind is beyond weak.
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04.15.08 - 10:32 am | #
obama is a bigot? wow. ok.
euphronius cert. denied
Yeah. Well, I am off for a bit. I tried to engage. Guess not.
Look, if Mrs McCain did not put the recipes on the web site it really does not make any difference, does it? Her name is attached to them. If there is one thing the Republicans preach repeatedly is that they get the big bucks because they are the ones responsible. They are the CEOs. It is their RESPONSIBILITY in the end. Well, it is there with her name on it: it is her responsibility. Sorry. Mrs McCain, you are a liar and a plagiarist and if it were my recipe, I would be contacting my lawyer and suing you.
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04.15.08 - 10:32 am | #
His recent comments about small town people further cemented his reputation with me as a subtle bigot
Funny. People who are actually, you know, familiar with small towns know he's telling the truth, and has been for at least four years.
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04.15.08 - 10:32 am | #
"Some campaign lackey put that together, she probably didn't even now those recipes were on the McCain website.
Holden Caulfield "
You're probably right, and it's that sort of thing that annoys me about the casual acceptance of deceit. We're used to it. We internalize it, and how appropriate it is. The makers of the site want to present it as Cindy's content, but it's a lie. And nobody gives a shit, because it doesn't hurt anyone...tangibly.
Maybe it shouldn't bother me, but I don't like that casual deceit. If Cindy McCain can't come up with her own web design or content, then don't make it "her" blog or "her" site. I am not naive enough to take things like a campaign website at face value, but wouldn't it be a better world if we could? I don't like having to go through life with a hyperactive bullshit-marketing-and-spin detector pinning on every single piece of information I see.
Nim, ham hock of liberty |
04.15.08 - 10:33 am | #
but the evidence for bigotry of any kind is beyond weak.
proud atheist
The menopause caucus is in its last throes.
Or hot flashes. We're not sure.
Actually, we don't care. Too annoying to get close enough to find out.
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04.15.08 - 10:34 am | #
DWD: they'd settle that one so fast it'd make your head spin.
ProfWombat |
04.15.08 - 10:34 am | #
A point that might be made is that the Truman record of unpopularity was done in a period in which the polls were notoriously biased. Remember how the polls gave Dewey the election? Back then, the polls overreported the rich Repuglicans. The truth is, "W" is the most despised president in history.
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04.15.08 - 11:58 am | #
At least he's the best at something. That something being sucking.
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