I'MMA LET YOU FINISH
You bloggers with your dirty mouths.
slow... must be saturday
ping!
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or it's a really good show and you all went?
I demand live web cam!
you're reading press coverage about edwards again? shame on you, hoss.
dtd:
A fine tradition in the Russian military. After all, Stalin had machine-gunners placed so as to discourage retreat.
all militaries do this, have done this, in some fashion. the ancient persians used whips, scythians had arrows, clubs and maiming were favs of the Romans, etc.
deadthreaded:
Oh, and I'm still waiting for the list of Quayle's qualifications.....
Tlazolteotl
I knew Dan Quayle....
Barry from AK: I demand live web cam!
Heh!
Howaya?
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not gonna defend Quayle tonight. at least he wasn't the town drunk like his daddy.
I knew Dan Quayle....
Gomez | 08.09.08 - 10:01 pm | #
My sincerest condolences...
Atrios is a Mass Romantic.
We're a Nation of Assholes.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I...h?
v=I0FUBS3i7fs
oh look, henry kissinger's not in jail!
If you've got something that sheds some light
"Shine on Shine on Shine on Onnnnn...."
The New Pornographers- Bleeding heart show
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d...h?
v=dH9Q4fsZ1IY
Is Atrios twittering now?
oh look, henry kissinger's not in jail!
But he did return to the scene of the crime...
I should have said: my cats aren't much of a threat.
Sos the squirrels have been acting with greater and greater impunity, not helped by the fact that we feed them.
Sorry, I'm a sucker for cute furry things.
Tlazolteotl | Homepage | 08.09.08 - 9:58 pm | #
So am I. I started leaving cat food out 3 years ago to lure in Brego, and then of course I couldn't just stop, not after every beast in the area had gotten used to it. I have started taking it in at night, because the raccoons freak out my neighbor (never mind that the raccoons also go through the garbage, but that's 40 feet away so neighbor doesn't see them.
We still think you are naive: there was a very tightly controlled pseudo-Renaissance n that era to react to and control and contain the terrifying (to the establishment) simmering public uproar. If only there was a nerdhero named Chomksky who already explained years ago why Lippmann wasn't your friend...
k&y, nyarlathotep
Could be I'm naive.
But it was better. Not perfect, but lots better. The truth was occasionally heard.
Chomsky, huh? 
And Henry has to be careful about where he travels...
all militaries do this, have done this, in some fashion.
Uhh, yeah, in some fashion, the fashion doubling as a wide range of degrees.
Is Atrios twittering now?
yeah. not even bothering to hide like I do.
oh look, henry kissinger's not in jail!
China's about the only place he can travel without worrying about standing orders for his arrest.
Howaya?
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Jeffraham Prestonian
Fine & Dandy, you?
Lappy has a power supply, but it doesn't like it, only a 90 watt box and it wants a 130 or better.
So its told me that its gonna be a bit slower than normal, pretty darn smart machine that can tell the capacity of it's power supply.
theodoric of athens: oh look, henry kissinger's not in jail!
The night's still young.
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I demand live web cam!
Barry from AK in Ohio | Homepage | 08.09.08 - 9:59 pm
Are you in my neck of the woods?
Henry Kissenger and George Bush to watch Michael Phelps in the 400m final.
Barry from AK: So its told me that its gonna be a bit slower than normal, pretty darn smart machine that can tell the capacity of it's power supply.
Running Vista?
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The Romans would make the soldiers in a unit beat another soldier to death if he slept while on duty. And running the gaunlet was common during the 18th century. I guess they wanted the entire unit involved in the punishment.
oh what an honor. to be namestolen.
The first thing Obama should do is rendition Kissinger to Chile.
"I believe we are on an irreversible trend toward more freedom and democracy - but that could change." - Dapper Dan Q
Are you in my neck of the woods?
Buckeye, Dealer of Rare Coins
Clinton County again.
The MSM is trumpeting the Pew Study saying people think Obama is getting too much coverage compared to McCain as evidence of "Obama fatigue" and wonder if the voters are getting sick of him. It doesn't mean anything of the sort.
There was another study showing that Obama's coverage has been more negative than McCain's. I would like to see McCain get the same intense scrutiny because I think it will help Obama.
Put another way:
There is not enough coverage of the war between Georgia and Russia.
I would like to hear more.
This does not mean I like Georgia, Russia, or war.
Maybe that is why, as Pew says, the question they asked "has never before been asked about presidential candidates" before.
It's meaningless.
you know, it used to be that people ran Linux because it was lightweight and fast.
I swear to god that OS X ran faster on this machine than Ubuntu does.
Running Vista?
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Jeffraham Prestonian
Wash your mouth out.
Why are you making fun of Dan Quayle?
Barry from AK: Wash your mouth out.
I don't think Natty Ice will do the trick...
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The first thing Obama should do is rendition Kissinger to Chile.
Gomez | 08.09.08 - 10:06 pm | #
i think he and congress need to take whatever steps are necessary to recongize the jurisdiction of the international criminal court.
All White House, Pentagon, US Embassy locks easily defeated with plastic.
It's simple.
Reporters want their stories read.
People want to read about Obama.
People do not want to read about McBombBomb.
because quayle is an airhead. i am anti airhead.
Fountains of Wayne is God.
When you absolutely, positively, gotta kill every motherfucker in the room, accept no substitute.
I am pro-Pizza.
We're a Nation of Assholes.
LOL.
Why are you making fun of Dan Quayle?
I, personally, am not making fun of Dan Quayle. I am just observing that his father was well known around town as having a drinking problem, and that it's not really his fault that he can't spell, because I happen to have known his high school English teachers.
The first thing Obama should do is render Kissinger into lard.
frenched your tuatara
Nation of Assholes.
Great name for a band.
AP:
"John Edwards' love interest, Rielle Hunter, is actually Camilla Parker-Bowles, wife of tampon-aficionado the Prince of Wales..."
Why are you making fun of Dan Quayle?
pretzel
Toby dogburner was extolling Quayle's genius as a statesman and high qualifications as a presidential candidate.
Hilarity ensued.
Adam Schlesinger is writing the score for the Cry Baby musical on Broadway.
Why are you making fun of Dan Quayle?
Why not? He's a classic recipient of wingnut welfare. So was his chief of staff. (Although, admittedly, it is like shooting fish in a barrel.)
Fountains of Wayne is God.
Gomez
Witty rock is rare.
Is everyone watching Phelps?
I have a hunch that this phelps thing is going to turn out like the belmont stakes.
k&y: shot, maimed, dead by the gauntlet...yeah, i guess there are "differences." grandpa told some interesting stories from his WWII experiences on various fronts, and he saw quite a few of them. i think it's not a matter of a horse of a different color, so much as admitting you use horses, instead of your claim of only asses.
Sorry, I'm a sucker for cute furry things.
two words, kids: lime disease. well, three: ticks. suburban lil furries aren't exactly free of disease, and you may not want to have them right up close to your door all the time. the deer in sis' 'hood have endemic rabies and 'burculosis, for example. her state has even taken to putting out vaccine-salt licks, it's getting so bad.
Why are you making fun of Dan Quayle?
pretzel
Toby dogburner was extolling Quayle's genius as a statesman and high qualifications as a presidential candidate.
Hilarity ensued.
melior | 08.09.08 - 10:10 pm | #
im making fun of dan quayle because he is an airhead. this doesn't necessarily mean that i am biased against republicans, it is just that most airheads are republican.
LOL.
Shared Humanity
Isn't it just about perfect, even 4 years later?
Kroger was a madhouse. I figure one of the local stations predicted snow for tomorrow.
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I really don't like NBC's tape delaying of events.
Kissinger isn't popular here. He got booed at St. Patrick's Cathedral in NYC when he showed up at a tribute to Vaclav Havel.
Gomez:
great name for the new "AssHoles For Obama-Flator" salute
I got bored with the Olympics.
Even with the sound off.
Yeah, but I heard he was married to a cocker spaniel.
I have a hunch that this phelps thing is going to turn out like the belmont stakes.
theodoric of athens | 08.09.08 - 10:11 pm | #
i hope they don't put him down at the pool.
Gomez:
great name for the new "AssHoles For Obama-Flator" salute
Lubyanka
I feel a special connection with your wife.
Shattered the world record. Amazing.
i think luby may be an old soul.
Gold Medal #1. Can he keep it up?
Objectively, Quayle was more qualified by more areas of historically recognized experience expected of Presidents than was Edwards.
Toby "Anencephaly" Petzold
Shattered the world record. Amazing.
MP
When they put him out to stud they're gonna make a fortune.
i think luby may be an old soul.
More like an asssoul.
I like citrus fruit but I don't know much about lime disease. I did contract lyme disease last summer and it was not fun.
Well, I don't feed any deer, there aren't any here, but we do take all foodstuffs in at night to discourage the raccoons, roof rats, opossums, and other non-cute furry creatures.
We do humor the squirrels, though. And the hummingbirds, when we see or hear them around.
Of course, food-wise, my parrots are completely spoiled. I write this as they are sitting here grinding their beaks contentedly after supper.
Are you in my neck of the woods?
Buckeye, Dealer of Rare Coins
Clinton County again.
Barry from AK in Ohio | Homepage | 08.09.08 - 10:06 pm |
Is there still the stench of McMummy?
When they put him out to stud they're gonna make a fortune.
Gomez | 08.09.08 - 10:14 pm | #
You are a sick fuck. Funny, but sick.
Is there something in the water?
Phelps needs to get to 7 to tie Mark Spitz.
One of the funniest experiences we ever had listening to Howard Stern was a simple unintroduced commentary-free marathon of actual unedited Dan Quayle
quotes. They sound infinitely worse hearing them jumbled sincerely.
Kissinger isn't popular here.
a friend of mine who is one degree of kevin bacon away from the old Kiss of Death says that hank is a bigtime gamer, of the board variety. apparently he used to spend a lot of time when he was in the WH, playing 'strategy' games like risk (but not that one, some other i'm forgetting now) and taking it really, really seriously and always babbling to people about what he 'learned' from that experience. it made sense to me, in light of his foreign policy 'theory,' to think of his intellect and sophistication for such, as at about the level of your average pimpled teen boy.
lyme disease ticks me off
Kroger was a madhouse. I figure one of the local stations predicted snow for tomorrow.
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Jeffraham Prestonian | Homepage | 08.09.08 - 10:12 pm
Heh.
We're supposed to get rain over night, it's almost fall like. Though not fall-like enough to break out the hot chocolate 
Is there still the stench of McMummy?
Buckeye, Dealer of Rare Coins
Hee, there are still red yard signs all around "An ABX Employee Lives Here".
But in general, I don't get the attitude here, McCain and his guys facilitated the deal that allowed this huge layoff to happen.
So what do these folks do: they ask the guy who just beat em up to now help em. Stupid head of the pilot's union at ABX said "We have an ally in McCain."
I just don't get it.
Which stroke is the fastest?
Once upon a time, a long time ago, people lived in a world where rational discussion and sexual equality were the norm. Then some upstart patriarchal tribes with sharp weapons came in and damn near destroyed things. Where they couldn't destroy the previous world, they belittled it and sucked the soul from it. They created a rational/romantic split that makes true believers and rationalists enemies of one another. Only the actions of a few saved remnants of the old world.
Since the new order was bat-shit insane, of course, the world became bat-shit insane as well. People who see that it is insane are laughed at and mocked, but it makes the rest of the people uneasy because they all know that there's something amiss. They strive to put the world back together in some sort of functional order, but the pieces won't line up.
And that's my answer to the Putz's question. It's at least as accurate as his Judeo-Christian myth.
Evening, all
I just did a good liberal thing: watched Pete Seegar: The Power of Song.
(It was a lot better without pledge breaks, trust me)
I used to put out peanuts for the squirrles until the skunks showed up too. I came home and there was the cutest baby skunk outside my door. I don't know who was more scared, me or it but I learned not to put food out at night.
playing 'strategy' games like risk (but not that one, some other i'm forgetting now)
Axis and Allies? Panzer?
playing 'strategy' games like risk (but not that one, some other i'm forgetting now) and taking it really, really seriously and always babbling to people about what he 'learned' from that experience.
i bet he played war games, like stalingrad or whatever. maybe diplomacy, that was popular at the time.
Which stroke is the fastest?
pretzel
Mine's pretty fast, to be immodest.
pretzel: Which stroke is the fastest?
The Toby stroke, known to last as little as 0.2 seconds.
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Funny how we have no problem talking about Edwards but none of the trolls wanted to talk about Vitter or Craig.
Squirrels are rats with better stylists.
go on, pick on an old, tired, dyslexic dyke who spend 8 hrs pulling weeds in the garden and is wiped out mentally by two cups of wine. it's easier than picking on the smallbird veep, you bullies. /sobs/
I liked playing 'Diplomacy' in high school. Didn't confuse it with, well, diplomacy, though...
Which stroke is the fastest?
pretzel
McCain's stroke will probably get here before his trophy wife's roots grow out.
If only there was a nerdhero named Chomksky who already explained years ago why Lippmann wasn't your friend...
k&y, nyarlathotep
He borrowed a phrase from Lippmann for the title of his book "Manufacturing Consent". I don't think Chomsky ever made a value judgement with regard to Lippmann. You need to "manufacture consent" with the public to do things that will benefit and help the gebneral welfare, like health care, for instance.
Anyway. I'm going to drink some whiskey and die behind the bar.
Later kidz.
I can see feeding birds or squirrels in the wintertime but during mid summer when food is abundant?
Phelps needs to get to 7 to tie Mark Spitz.
melior | 08.09.08 - 10:17 pm | #
I thought these were just the prelims, that the finals weren't for about another 8-10 hours.
Funny how we have no problem talking about Edwards but none of the trolls wanted to talk about Vitter or Craig.
Tralfaz | 08.09.08 - 10:20 pm | #
down the memory hole.
Is there something in the water?
camelot, party unity dammit
I was dropped on my head as a kid.
I deserved it.
We do humor the squirrels, though. And the hummingbirds, when we see or hear them around.
fuzzy rats.
when I lived in Bellevue my ex used to buy peanuts to feed to the squirrels. Bitch called me home from work one day to bury one that got run over in the street.
generally, you don't need to feed deer. they walk right up at night and eat anything that is marginally edible. my parents couldn't keep the ivy on their flagstone wall for the deer coming up at night and eating it.
we have deer out here behind us. fortunately there's too much kudzu for them to make much of a dent in.
Wombat!
I thought these were just the prelims, that the finals weren't for about another 8-10 hours.
Buckeye, Dealer of Rare Coins
Confession: TV off.
Where in the world is Vicki Iseman?
My sister likes to feed the raccoons, and I keep telling her not too because they poop all over and most of them are infected with a parasite that you do NOT want to get.
However, she doesn't listen.
But she's probably going to be moving to Utah soon, I think she will change her ways so she doesn't attract the skunks, badgers, and the like of non-cuddly furries they have in the desert.
I can't wait until she sees her first bark scorpion, though. She hates bugs!
I can see feeding birds or squirrels in the wintertime but during mid summer when food is abundant?
pretzel | 08.09.08 - 10:21 pm | #
so far you've been innocuous. i'm leaving now, i hope you keep it up.
Phelps needs to get to 7 to tie Mark Spitz.
melior | 08.09.08 - 10:17 pm | #
I thought these were just the prelims, that the finals weren't for about another 8-10 hours.
Buckeye, Dealer of Rare Coins | 08.09.08 - 10:21 pm
ah, I see ESPN.com has updated, didn't see NYT or CNN with the new info.
All around the world, a long long time ago, people used to walk wherever they had to go.
playing 'strategy' games like risk (but not that one, some other i'm forgetting now) and taking it really, really seriously and always babbling to people about what he 'learned' from that experience.
I have a Ph.D. in Risk Assessment. My great uncle invented the field.
mout
Why, NTodd's of course. What I hate is when he puts down your dick and says, "Another twenty bucks bitch."
Squirrels are rats with better stylists.
HoneyBear
no rat ever jumped on and knocked over my gladiolas, or dug up my dutch tulips. rats i can deal with. squirrels need to be...shipped off to a desert island. all of them.
...Vitter or Craig
Tralfaz | 08.09.08 - 10:20 pm | #
down the memory hole.
pretzelattack
Even though both are still in the Senate and Edwards holds no public office.
"The Obama campaign's attacks on Randy Scheunemann are disgraceful. Mr. Scheunemann proudly represented a small democracy that is one of our closest allies in a very dangerous region. Today, many are dead and Georgia is in crisis, yet the Obama campaign has offered nothing more than cheap and petty political attacks that are echoed only by the Kremlin. The reaction of the Obama campaign to this crisis, so at odds with our democratic allies and yet so bizarrely in sync with Moscow, doesn't merely raise questions about Senator Obama's judgment--it answers them."
So, the McCain position is that the USA should be aligning itself with Georgia in WWIII (or WWIV) against the Evil Empire Redux?
Man, the stupid is really stupid tonight.
Alrighty, off to bed.
'night, bats.
Vicki is just a former high school cheerleader trying to get ahead in the game.
I can see feeding birds or squirrels in the wintertime but during mid summer when food is abundant?
Trying to keep them out of my fruit trees is all, so I can have a couple of ripe apples and Italian prunes left.
If Kissinger wants a record, it’s because he wants to correct it. As he nears the end of his public life, yet another disastrous war threatens to taint his legacy. State of Denial, the latest White House exegesis by famed reporter Bob Woodward, depicts Kissinger as privately advising President George W. Bush and Vice-President Dick Cheney on the war in Iraq, calling him a “powerful, largely invisible influence.” Woodward’s portrait of Kissinger as a surreptitious Rasputin, cooing in the presidential ear that “victory is the only exit strategy,” urging him to resist all entreaties to change course, has rankled the dour statesman.
http://nymag.com/news/people/24750/
My Risk assessment was to always try to take Australia or South America early in the game.
All around the world, a long long time ago, people used to walk wherever they had to go.
melior
Let's reconstruct that, eh?
A long time ago, all around the world, there weren't people.
Squirrels are rats with better stylists.
HoneyBearKellyGoGiants | Homepage | 08.09.08 - 10:20 pm |
So, I shouldn't bring my squirrel collection to PDX, and arrange them in the hotel room?
Even though both are still in the Senate and Edwards holds no public office.
Even though, in a sane nation, that would make absolutely no difference at all.
As I said earlier, though, I think I will not vote for McCain because of Larry Craig.
hey camelot--hawaya?
Y'know, I deeply love my wife, have for thirty-seven years or so. She had breast cancer. Went through chemo, radiation, surgery. Lost weight, felt like shit for maybe a year. She did well, seems cured, like that. But it wasn't easy. And, were I to have been thrown at the exact right moment in with a beautiful willing woman, while all that was going on and my wife was utterly, completely unavailable, emotionally as well as sexually, I'd guess I'd have maybe flirted a while, been flattered and bemused by the attention, nothing more. I'm not as sure as i'd like to be that that's true. I like to think I'd have made the choice I'd like to see myself making in that situation.
I can't be glib about it.
They didn't have car keys, and they didn't have roads. They didn't have those ugly convenience stores, or Texacos.
Is there still the stench of McMummy?
Buckeye, Dealer of Rare Coins
Hee, there are still red yard signs all around "An ABX Employee Lives Here".
But in general, I don't get the attitude here, McCain and his guys facilitated the deal that allowed this huge layoff to happen.
So what do these folks do: they ask the guy who just beat em up to now help em. Stupid head of the pilot's union at ABX said "We have an ally in McCain."
I just don't get it.
Barry from AK in Ohio | Homepage | 08.09.08 - 10:18 pm
rural Ohio is pretty, it isn't necessarily smart.
hear is that eric dolphy guy again. this time playing the only real saxophone, the alto sax.
and that nation of assholes clip was almost as depressing as it was funny. true.
wow. i had to close my window, it's so cool tonight. so much for the indian summer.
So, the McCain position is that the USA should be aligning itself with Georgia in WWIII
He's a warmonger, isn't he? (Sorry, I think the acceptable term is 'hawk.') Why would you expect McCain to have any sort of nuanced position on that conflict? I don't think nuance has ever been in evidence where he's concerned...
Somebody discovered that a raccoon had gotten into his cabin. It had taken apart all of his pole shelving which had crashed to the floor leaving an unbelievable mess. Raccoons have been known to rip out screens in windows. They are like furry little nihilistic bikers.
I can see feeding birds or squirrels in the wintertime but during mid summer when food is abundant?
pretzel
I feed infrequently during the summer just to watch the tree rats. Have a small reddish squirrel that has learned to walk a trimmer string tight rope, unscrew the top of the feeder, crawl into said feeder & feast for hours.
Did Ian Thorpe retire?
Please don't Buckeye.
Unless they're the stuffed kind.
When my wife and I moved into our townhouse years ago, I spent an entire weekend planting hundreds of bulbs in the yard and then watched as the squirrels dug up many of them and left them all over the yard.
My Risk assessment was to always try to take Australia or South America early in the game.
Once watched a Risk game (the shame comes back to me now, that I would *watch* a Risk game) where one dude started building up Iceland. Everyone ignored him for a while, and then realized the threat but nobody wanted to take him on and be so weakened that someone else would wipe him out. Finally, the dude marched out across the board and wiped everyone off the map.
I learned valuable life lessons from that game.
Then some upstart patriarchal tribes with sharp weapons
They didn't have sharper weapons, they had vehicles and a near obsession with building vehicles, chariots and better boats.
I may seem very naive or stupid and I don't know anything about local small town politics but tonight I found out that the Dem party meets at the local VFW every month and occasionally holds dinners and has fundraisers for money. Okay nothing strange.
The local Republican party is closed. Yes you can be Rep and vote but if you want to go to party meeting you have to pay 10%. If you want to be on the board you pay more.
That is 10% of your yearly income.
WTF?
Did Ian Thorpe retire?
masculine_monica_nyc | 08.09.08 - 10:29 pm | #
Yes. Some 18 months ago, a national day of mourning in Australia.
They are like furry little nihilistic bikers.
That's nothing compared to what polar bears like to do to the huts that researchers use in the Arctic.
Please don't Buckeye.
Unless they're the stuffed kind.
HoneyBearKellyGoGiants | Homepage | 08.09.08 - 10:29 pm |
Just kidding!
camelot: that's not a donation, that's a tithe...
I can't be glib about it.
ProfWombat
no need, friend. bottom line is that it's no one's business but your own; i'm 'radical' enough to even say that one's partner need not know, if the moment is unique and distinct enough. and of course, questions like the ones raised about edwards matter how, exactly, to the republican and its people? of course they don't. only our sex-obsessed SCLM thinks they should, and again, the Projection Rule. Because the SCLM villagers are all doing worse and want to talk about anything but that fact.
Dude wants it more.
Contain the Icelandic threat!
Let's deport Bjork, pronto!
The American people would not want to know of any misquotes that Dan Quayle may or may not make.
wow. i had to close my window, it's so cool tonight. so much for the indian summer.
chicago dyke, one w/simels | Homepage | 08.09.08 - 10:28 pm |
It'll be 95 in October.
It's cool, but not that cool here. We're too much of a heat sink in this part of East Dayton, not enough shade except in back yards.
Ok, really going to bed now.
It was a chillt scoot to Kroger. I should have worn jeans.
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With or without Neko Case?
That is the question...
That's nothing compared to what polar bears like to do to the huts that researchers use in the Arctic.
Gary Larson cartoon: "Mmmmm... crunchy on the outside, soft and gooey on the inside!"
The original sketch featured an igloo but it still works.
Prof Wombat,
Don't bother trying to justify that piece of shit's excuse.
No. No "Man" would do that.
Sorry. He is a scum bastard. I have NO sympathy for men (or women) like that. None whatsoever.
They are weak
They didn't have sharper weapons, they had vehicles and a near obsession with building vehicles, chariots and better boats.
Hey, whose myth is this, anyway? :D
You're right, of course, and they were organized. The original Wingers, or a pack of apes (your pick). Reason is better for the long term, but sucks against Republicans and other invading hordes.
Flew into Dayton a couple of weeks ago. I had an interview in Richmond Indiana.
chidy: seems to me that if they all came out of the closet, some of the more basic power relationships of the Republicans and the media 'in bed with them' (perhaps, only perhaps, merely a metaphor), would be seriously disrupted...
SCLM?
The weather here in Seattle has been rather fall-like for the past few weeks as well, broken only by days of some pretty good heat. But it doesn't feel like summer much here this summer.
We had a damn good shower this afternoon.
I can't be glib about it.
ProfWombat
I'm sure running for office changes a man and feeds his ego. No excuse, but when you start believing your own hype, well, bad things happen.
Yes. Some 18 months ago, a national day of mourning in Australia.
Ah. Thanks, Buckeye.
is cat.
cat is in yr tech making things better.
you will be allowed back into yr keyboard et al once preparations are finished.
Awesome, Cheney's going to the GOP convention regardless of whether or not he's invited.
Yes you can be Rep and vote but if you want to go to party meeting you have to pay 10%. If you want to be on the board you pay more.
That is 10% of your yearly income.
If you have the money to buy your way into office, that's how you control the movement of it. And, let's face it, most `pugs couldn't win without outspending their opponents. If they had to go on policy and honesty, there wouldn't be a single one in Congress.
first there were squirrels, then there were monkeys, then there were smart monkeys.
evolution.
rats are actually pretty fuck'n smart, probably not as smart as cockroaches.
this clip is too good not to share.
Gary Larson cartoon: "Mmmmm... crunchy on the outside, soft and gooey on the inside!"
The original sketch featured an igloo but it still works.
I actually got a greeting card with that saying. But the drawing was of two crocodiles reclining on a riverbank.
They are like furry little nihilistic bikers.
sekmet |
sis and her hubby just bought a large home in a tony burb that i'm sure they will soon regret paying pre-market crash prices for, but anyway, it had sat empty for 4 years before they bought it (reasons why another story). they had it professionally inspected before purchase, but somehow the inspector failed to note that a racoon had taken up living in a corner of the spacious upper attic. i had to listen to many a conversation about just how much damage it had caused, how bad its piss smelled, how fond it was for essential elements of the home's construction, etc. before she got the last of the damage repaired. Tepper suggests they are the smartest of the ur-uplifted, in the animal dominated future to come.
CD we said re Edwards that "so long as only Democrats were penalized for this, then this was really about penalizing being a Democrat."
This was after a much better quip which drew on 25th Hour.
Awesome, Cheney's going to the GOP convention regardless of whether or not he's invited.
puppethead
Like suppurating syphilis.
Oh, I guess the crocs were saying
"gooey on the outside, crunchy on the inside"
Maybe Larson recycled the idea.
camelot: that's not a donation, that's a tithe...
I immediately thought of church, but something just seems wrong or illegal about this.
I have no problem with the affair, per se. But Edwards was delusional and irresponsible to seek the nomination with that skeleton in his closet. And to think that it would never come out?
WTF was he thinking?
The only explanation is that he knew he didn't have a chance to get the nomination, but ran anyway to push his message.
If you got anything better, I'm all ears...
Awesome, Cheney's going to the GOP convention regardless of whether or not he's invited.
I can see him biting McCain's head off and declaring himself Supreme Ruler of The Universe.
Awesome, Cheney's going to the GOP convention regardless of whether or not he's invited.
puppethead
He's got the CIA forging an invitation as we chat.
GWPDA
i have smores247 365
always
Gary Larson cartoon: "Mmmmm... crunchy on the outside, soft and gooey on the inside!"
Reminds me of Valentine's Day 2007. Monsieur and Mlle gave each other the same Gary Larson card--"I like the ones with the screamy middles."
If you have the money to buy your way into office, that's how you control the movement of it. And, let's face it, most `pugs couldn't win without outspending their opponents. If they had to go on policy and honesty, there wouldn't be a single one in Congress.
montag |
and that's why the MSM is in the tank for the Repugs. They've always had the money. This year things have changed. Once the corporate heads see the money flow they will change allegiance.
When has Cheney not done anything he's wanted to? Or Bush? Or any of the other outlaws that run this empire?
rats are actually pretty fuck'n smart, probably not as smart as cockroaches.
this clip is too good not to share.
charley
Rats are like pigeons without wings.
Too good to miss link broken
DWD: no attempt being made to justlfy what he did. None whatever. I wasn't so much trying to elevate him as to ruminate that there are parts of me that understand what he did rather more than I'm comfortable with. I like to think I'd never hurt anyone that way.
All part of the way I look at myself. And when I see Edwards, well, I didn't have an affair while my wife was getting cancer treatment, and I take that into account, but I also recognize that, had circumstances been different, I might perhaps have had to work at it rather more than I'd like to have found necessary.
If I posted that shit, I'd be banned like pronto...
DWD, can't agree. I've seen the pain, the need for support, the loneliness. I knew a wonderful woman who encouraged her husband to get support of that kind while she was dying of cancer. He didn't, but she was right, and she had faith that what he did would not cost her and would give her husband solace. Walking away, like the Newt did, on the other had, really was unforgivable.
I can see him biting McCain's head off and declaring himself Supreme Ruler of The Universe.
Mr French
Heh. Maybe I will watch the Republic Convention, after all.
Probably old news to you guys, did you see the vid at DU with Chimpey showing his great respect for the flag?
So you have just won a parcel of gold medals for the good ol US of A. How do you snub the president when he offers to meet with you?
69 visitors.
How apropos...
Mmmmmmmm, smell the Mavericky McBushshit,
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The campaign's new line: The criticism of this apparent conflict of interest is proof that Barack Obama's campaign is "bizarrely in sync with Moscow."
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McBush ain't got campaign.
ky jelly...
How ironic.
Maybe Larson recycled the idea.
Most likely.
The man is genius, but I couldn't see him maintaining the quality of his work without eventually repeating himself.
I'd pay good money to help Cheney be a visible spokesman for McCain's campaign. Hell, Bush and Cheney, together, should crisscross the country, singing McCain's praises...
ProfWombat, my feelings regarding Edwards' affair can be summed up in one sentence: I. Don't. Care.
Can't get over that GWB is watching this shit. Man does he ever look hung-over and scared.
How do you snub the president when he offers to meet with you?
shemp
Pull handshake away at last second, laugh in his face.
I love the word "mavericky;" it's the new "truthiness."
fiction about the ancient world and lesbos by your dyke for those who missed the earlier link. if you read it leave a comment or i'll never convince a publisher that they should pay me to write more. which they probably shouldn't.
I'm sure running for office changes a man and feeds his ego.
this seems 1000% true to me, str8 or gay. it's hard to say no to power-hungry chippies willing to suck you dry/spank you raw/whatever. esp when there's that thrill of "ooooh, and what if i get caught?"
That was 3 sentences...
Hey! No one told me the Rams@Titans pre-season game was on WKRN!
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So you have just won a parcel of gold medals for the good ol US of A. How do you snub the president when he offers to meet with you? - shemp
Wear an "Impeach Bush" button when you meet him.
Awesome, Cheney's going to the GOP convention regardless of whether or not he's invited.
that's gonna be a huge punch-bowl ...
this is perhaps the worst rendition of "the star-spangled banner" I have ever heard.
and I was a baseball fan at the Kingdome for several years.
Now that's one dyke I'd love to stick my finger in...
Bed time.
Buenas noches.
this is perhaps the worst rendition of "the star-spangled banner" I have ever heard.
Roseanne Barr had a prior commitment.
sallyh: as politics, me neither, save that it's needlessly diversionary and foolish, and I hate seeing the National Enquirer legitimized in any way at all. But it did make me think a bit.
My boys Dallhauser and Rogers lost man...bummer.
So you have just won a parcel of gold medals for the good ol US of A. How do you snub the president when he offers to meet with you?
shemp | 08.09.08 - 10:42 pm | #
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You shake his hand and then you do that thing with your hand, "Mr. President you got a little something on your tie", and then when he looks down you flick up your finger and hit him in the nose. You can bet the President had done it to hundreds of others growing up and it is just the kind of petty humiliation that would enrage him. He would problem flip out in front to the world and start screaming. "I'M the PRESIDENT! NOBODY TOUCHES like that and lives! We will bury you and kill your entire family!" then he will realize the cameras are on. This will be his impeachable moment.
I can't talk about the Edward's mess. Every time I say anything I am misunderstood and really it aggravates me that Dems argue about it as Republicans laugh. We don't need to play into their hands and create division within our party
Bush looks like, "Goddamn it, get this stupid thing over, I need to bomb someone."
Hey! No one told me the Rams@Titans pre-season game was on WKRN! . Jeffraham Prestonian
We were waiting for A-Man to get back to us twith the results of Trojans vs Ramses.
'So you have just won a parcel of gold medals for the good ol US of A. How do you snub the president when he offers to meet with you?'
Might I suggest a photo op while wearing an 'I'm With Stupid' t-shirt?
Question: Does anyone know where I can find statistics for oil and U.S. gas prices? I'm just curious to find out the last time a barrel of oil was at $115.00 which it was on Friday and if there was a difference in the gas price than and now.
How do you snub the president when he offers to meet with you?
shemp
Pull handshake away at last second, laugh in his face.
melio
...be sure then to point and shout, "Psyche!" Extra points if your laugh sounds like "nyaaa-heh-heeeh..."
The man is genius, but I couldn't see him maintaining the quality of his work without eventually repeating himself.
There were recurrent themes in his work. I mean, how much can you do with cows in aprons and eyeglasses? 
Keith Bullock just blew a 6" bubble-gum bubble.
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The National Enquirer was right about Rush Limbaugh's drug use too, that's like what, twice in twenty or thirty years?
drew on 25th Hour.
i loved that movie, and i'm so sorry it was overlooked by the general public/buzz. i want to buy it, and watch it again and again. mainly cause i'm a sucker for ed. he is da bomb.
I would issue a press release explaining that I refuse to meet with war criminals.
OOps, I did bad linky thing.
fixed, raw linky
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t...h?
v=tfibaWamS70
The National Enquirer was right about Rush Limbaugh's drug use too, that's like what, twice in twenty or thirty years?
what does matt drudge have to say about all this?
For Sallyh The I don't Care song
As sung by Judy Garland
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U....com/
index.html
I recommend this T-shirt for the photo op:
http://curiousgeorge.awestores.c..._id/
114222.html
Sallyh,
I agree. I don't much care either but I do believe that it shows a weakness that I cannot justify. I have been having a difficult time for the last 15 months or so adjusting to life (in case you have not noticed) My views on everything have been challenged and changed. This has been difficult for my wife. I am certain that I am driving her bonkers at times. I get moody and depressed and morose.
But, for all of that I do not expect her to seek a lover. Just the opposite. I hope that she can offer me the comfort I need. I have done, and will do, the same for her. It is what couples do for each other.
As far as John running around on his wife, it is HIS business EXCEPT where he chooses to run for office and make it EVERYONE'S business.
He did that. He is a weak son of a bitch. Sorry.
Let's see if Zima-bob-away has game.
Dinner & Olumpics.
L8trz, folks.
i loved that movie
We were all like:
Edwards in the mirror in the bathroom in 25th Hour:
Fuck you John Edwards for being alive and being attractive and somewhat progressive and having a penis and not being a Republican.
No fuck You America for insisting on worrying about this stuff in this way.
Keith Bullock just blew a 6" bubble-gum bubble.
He is a professsional, you know.
The National Enquirer was right about Rush Limbaugh's drug use too, that's like what, twice in twenty or thirty years?
Mr French
When my mom used to bring it home, my favorite issues were the "psychic predictions" for the year.
Alas, it seems not all of them came true. For instance, Mr. T's jewelry did not cause him to get struck by lightning.
masculine_monica_nyc: He is a professsional, you know.
He's a very smart guy, too, unlike a lot of NFL doods.
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as always, Sadly, No! cracks me up. Allah be praised that Jeralyn has removed these malcontents from her blogroll.
too funny.
Alas, it seems not all of them came true. For instance, Mr. T's jewelry did not cause him to get struck by lightning. - Uncle Smokes
Think the IRS got him one year. Close enough.
We no can haz Lympix on west coast for ten more minutez.
Uncle Fester, try looking at
http://www.eia.doe.gov
As for pulling away a handshake with the Commander-in-Thief, I do subscribe to Barry Crimmins' dictum: Never shake hands with a war criminal.
It would be helpful if someone told him so, too....
Uncle Smokes: the 'Skeptical Inquirer' yearly prints the astrologers' and psychics' prophecies from the previous year. There's always a bit of a discrepancy between them and actual event...
He is a weak son of a bitch
The world is full of them, get used to it. We are them.
Question: Does anyone know where I can find statistics for oil and U.S. gas prices? I'm just curious to find out the last time a barrel of oil was at $115.00 which it was on Friday and if there was a difference in the gas price than and now.
Uncle Fester Lurks
had a long conversation with a richee oil futures trader type today. he agrees: this is the plataeu/dip before the next inexorable rise towards the $200 mark. it will last for some time, but not forever; my friend is going long. or, as i didn't say to him (he's a TX rethug of the First Order and doesn't like to hear this sort of talk) "the time when the Little Rich get fooled into thinking they're the UberRich and invest more money in a speculation game they can only and will always lose because their masters won't allow any other direction in the endless transfer of wealth but up."
For instance, Mr. T's jewelry did not cause him to get struck by lightning.
I love Mr. T.
montag: perhaps a tossed drink, as in the conclusion to 'The Caine Mutiny'?
as always, Sadly, No! cracks me up. Allah be praised that Jeralyn has removed these malcontents from her blogroll.
I'm glad Xan escaped that loony bin too.
Best part of the olympics so far? Watching the swimmers try to get there goggles into positions just so.
I don't much care either but I do believe that it shows a weakness that I cannot justify.
It's not anyone's place to justify Edwards' behavior. What you're really saying is that you don't have the capacity or desire to not judge his character in reflection of his sexual affair and lies about it.
Everyone likes to judge a person who fucks up.
Might I suggest a photo op while wearing an 'I'm With Stupid' t-shirt?
my daughter's favorite shirt: "He Did It!"
camelot: that's sort of what I was saying...
Oh Christ.
It procreated.
Where is Coventry from? What flag is that?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t...h? v=tfibaWamS70
Barry from AK in Ohio |
ya know, i don't really care, but when you consider the image built around him.
i had to laugh looking at that.
he's basically a petulant little shit, and yet, leader of the "free" world.
or maybe one of them pigeons without wings.
Energy info link.
http://www.eia.doe.gov/
Edwards, by keeping the affair secret after he had confessed to his wife, but during his run for the Presidency, betrays a serious lack of judgement.
none of can really judge his fidelity, but leaving that skeleton in the closet was a lie to his supporters.
too bad.
Don't you just love how Rove managed to get this Edwards scandal to finally break just two weeks before a convention at which Edwards was expected to ---and may yet--- speak?
That man is a genius.
rootless-e,
How old are you?
I have been watching TV since 1955.
Clancy at the Bar | 08.09.08 - 9:58 pm | #
Ah, youtube.
Here's some of that incisive press reporting
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1...h?
v=1LV6vp1yATM
And this - no better than the iraq coverage.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2...h?
v=2Go2uq_Vmxo
Oddly enough, older white guys did not do a better job than Laura Logan back in the good old days when chicks could bring the coffee but had to leave serious work the (white) guys.
Meanwhile, the US v Russia proxy war over the strategic pipeline through Georgia continues...
I like sports with lycra spandex. Cycling, swimming, beach volleyball...
what does matt drudge have to say about all this?
not sure, it's kinda hard to make out ...
I'm not looking to elect a faultless role model. Not sure it's possible.
I want a smart, compassionate human who clearly articulates sensible, rational (OK I'll settle for non-insane) policies that benefit the helpless instead of the powerful, and punish the evil.
Well, I may not have much but I do have my integrity. It is mine, and I treasure it and keep it safe for occasions such as this.
It allows me to condemn rich assholes like John Edwards. (Which I do)
montag: perhaps a tossed drink, as in the conclusion to 'The Caine Mutiny'?
Just had a fleeting mental image of Prissy Boots lunging after it, with a horrified gasp a la Bluto Blutarsky....
Where is Coventry from? What flag is that?
zimbabwe. too bad they sent comrade bob home.
camelot: that's sort of what I was saying...
Yes, you in a champagne sort of way, me in a beer way.
In other words, you're eloquent and I appreciate it.
It's not anyone's place to justify Edwards' behavior. What you're really saying is that you don't have the capacity or desire to not judge his character in reflection of his sexual affair and lies about it.
No, not at all. What we are saying is that he was willing to risk our lives to satisfy his ego.
Uncle Fester, the specific info you want appears to be at this page:
http://tonto.eia.doe.gov/dnav/
pe...pri_wco_k_w.htm
I'm surprised at the vitriol here for Mrs. Edwards, whose cancer diagnosis was expected to make her moral judgements of greater moment than all others forever.
rootless:
risk our lives
Uh. What?
An Obama salute? What a terrible idea, if true.
I'm surprised at the vitriol here for Mrs. Edwards, whose cancer diagnosis was expected to make her moral judgements of greater moment than all others forever.
This from a dope who stands in awe of a tawdry little dirty trickster like Rove....
It allows me to condemn rich assholes like John Edwards.
What does his being rich have to do with anything? Have you always condemned him and his political positions because he's rich?
Toby, I know you probably have ADD, but I'm still waiting.
Let me try:
1. Scion of rich Republican family
2......help me out here, Tobes!
THIS IS THE GREATEST KID'S HOCKEY TEAM PHOTO EVER PAST OR FUTURE
risk our lives to satisfy his ego.
rootless-e
Risk our lives? Thats quite a pearl strand you're clutching.
We were all like
a good scene; altho i bet you and i could've written it a tad better.
my love for the film comes from the transfer of horror to the Sacred Space of the male white buttock. no one gives a shit about the reality of prison, and only a Master like ed could've brought it home in the sensitive, wonderfully flawed on purpose, way he did. nothing seems to be able to awaken Flatland and Heartland sensibilities that torture is Our Way, not because it's fun to do to furriners, but because we ran out of young brown and black men to whom it can be done safely, and cheaply. or maybe i have it wrong, and everyone has always embraced and applauded that except me and my immediate family. anyway, it's very hard to do Somber in film and not induce gagging for the viewer; it's great to see the lil bespeckled one reach above himself and humanize the unhuman.
Get a load of these natural gas prices.
When they were $9 per unit, it was nothing to get a 300 dollar gas bill in January. Now they're in the $10-15 range, with a high of 22 bucks!
Welcome to the wonderful world of deregulation....
Sorry, forgot the site:
http://www.puco.ohio.gov/Puco/Ap...Gas.cfm?
id=4810
Those rings guys are insanely strong.
I feel obligated to defend the noble squirrel.
Tubby is keeping a stiff upper lip as all indications of an electoral vote landslide pile up.
a Dem Senate, House, and Executive. game over for the Thugs, for a long long time.
Welcome to the wonderful world of deregulation....
Elias
Dood. Oil companies learned something from the electricity rape of California in 2000. Create shortage. Jack prices. Inert federal regulatory agencies. Cash checks.
Risk our lives? Thats quite a pearl strand you're clutching.
melior | 08.09.08 - 11:04 pm | #
there are 4000 americans and maybe 1million iraqis on that pearl strand.
What we are saying is that he was willing to risk our lives to satisfy his ego.
Your life was in Edwards' hands? How is that possible?
Tlaz, Quayle is a military veteran and he served multiple times in both houses of Congress before he ran for the Veep. Edwards? None of the above.
Didactically, one might compare the manner in which McCain got rich with the manner in which John Edwards got rich. Just sayin'.
Then again, not sure how that factors into the logic of righteous indignation at consenting adults having sex.
That is, I feel obligated to do so.
I think John Kerry's refusal to support Edwards in 2008 was because he knew the rumors were true.
Laughing all the way to the bank...
what does matt drudge have to say about all this?
He's checking with Larry Sinclair.
Your life was in Edwards' hands? How is that possible?
masculine_monica_nyc | 08.09.08 - 11:06 pm | #
You think a repuke victory in November is not a humanity endangering event?
KY, what's this bullshit?
Enough with the porn already...
Somebody better ban your ass.
When my mom used to bring it home, my favorite issues were the "psychic predictions" for the year.
Alas, it seems not all of them came true. For instance, Mr. T's jewelry did not cause him to get struck by lightning.
Uncle Smokes | Homepage | 08.09.08 - 10:52 pm |
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OMG My mom did that too! And we SAVED them from year to year to see how good they did!
I remember thinking that if you kept predicting enough things one year you would get it right.
"Famous celebrity will have an affair and leaves wife!" is pretty much a gimmee. Predict a national disaster in some region you have a good shot at another.
"You think a repuke victory in November is not a humanity endangering event?"
I fail to see how you have come to that opinion considering their track record.
(cough)
there are 4000 americans and maybe 1million iraqis on that pearl strand.
rootless-e
What that has to do with where John Edwards parks his Johnson is known only to you and Linda Tripp.
It allows me to condemn rich assholes like John Edwards. (Which I do)
DWD - Fed Up • → BS
lighten up. he's not the nominee. it's all cool that ends cool.
and people really should consider what would be if he were the nominee. because i'm pretty sure infidelity or no, he'd have been a lot better than mccrazy.
it's sad that we live in a country that would have shot it self in the head because of it's false sense of morality.
it's allrite ma
I'm glad Xan escaped that loony bin too.
Barry
ahem, Xan wrote for correnteW, not Talk Left, and is now (perhaps, it's not clear) back at olde corrente.blogspot. barry, am i "loony?"
...this is why i have a hard time with some people here; is it so hard to remember the address and authors upon one? or that a group blog means, "more than one person," and thus "of differing opinions?" blogging isn't entering into a hivemind. read what people *actually write,* and not what you think you remember from some link that someone highlighted in a comment on another blog that's wholly unrelated. i'm not accusing you of anything barry, but i know what you don't; and you shouldn't presume to know why xan, or anyone, does anything with (or without) their blog and mates unless you've received direct, personal communication from those people. and always, links are demanded for a reason. such as: to show you actually know which writers said what, when, and about/to whom. sloppiness hurts us all, yo?
After receiving his degree, Quayle joined the Indiana Army National Guard and served from 1969–1975, attaining the rank of Sergeant. While serving in the Guard, he earned a Juris Doctor (J.D.) degree in 1974 at Indiana University School of Law Indianapolis.
So he was a Vietnam war dodger of the rich white class.
Can't you do better?
TEN: 34
STL: 13
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Tlazolteotl | Homepage | 08.09.08 - 10:54 pm | #
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Thanks Tlazolteotl!
Did y'all read Tim Rutten in the Los Angeles Times? Man! He took a Cleveland Steamer on his own paper.
Haven't seen any vitriol directed at Mrs Edwards here.
Let me try it again. Edwards got into political trouble. He did something politically stupid. And something rather human. He made a mistake. He did not make a mistake that involves something I find unimaginable--say, torturing an innocent captive, or placing policies in place that enable such obscenity--though a raft of research suggests that such behavior is rather human, too.
My response to his action is to regret its stupidity, and the extent to which it forms a diversion from the issues before the electorate, and a legitimization of journalistic scurrilousness at a time singularly inappropriate for it. It is also to acknowledge, with honesty and regret, that I can understand him a bit as a human being, perhaps better than I'd like.
Somebody better ban your ass.
the day Kei and Yuri get banned here BEFORE you do Allen is the day the Hades Ice Cream Store opens its door.
but your concern is duly noted, Aggie troll.
I see McCain isn't speaking up about Edward's affair.
I can't imagine why.
...and I just got home from a date with a dicktease who gave me blueballs...
You think a repuke victory in November is not a humanity endangering event?
No, no, no. Listen:
1 -- Edwards was not our last and only hope, Obi-wan Pierogi.
2 -- Eight years of "THEY'RE HITLER!!!!" only serves to lessen Hitler, not worsen Them.
After Bush was re-elected, Edwards-supporting Overcompensating, the best online comic, was sad but nevertheless said look this is still a great country and Bush isn't Hitler.
and people really should consider what would be if he were the nominee. because i'm pretty sure infidelity or no, he'd have been a lot better than mccrazy.
Is there a statute of limitations on infidelity rendering a person unelectable?
I'd love for the McCain sexual history to get 1/10th the coverage Edwards' has.
Say! Denigrating National Guard service? That's a real winner. Knock yourself out.
Rumor has it that George W. Bush had an extra-marital affair with his mom, Barbara "The Quaker Oats Guy" Bush.
My take:
I liked John Edwards. He was my early choice for the nomination, because I liked his rhetoric, particularly as far as workers were concerned. He has disappointed me.
That's it. End of story.
Anything else I could say would be autobiography by proxy.
I wish I was half as eloquent as the Professor.
How can you people sit around here jawing when the Osmonds 50th is on PBS right now?
What does his being rich have to do with anything? Have you always condemned him and his political positions because he's rich?
masculine_monica_nyc
No, But it is very difficult to carry on affairs over long distances if one is not wealthy, you know?
I am sorry, Monica, this is a real sore spot with me. I have been married for a long time and I love the sanctity of marriage. It is a good thing for PEOPLE to share their lives. (And I really don't care if they are the same sex either)
The bond between people is special and one of the best things about being human. People who break these vows without some sort of provocation, are suspect in my mind. Now maybe Elizabeth was nasty to John. Maybe she nagged him constantly and belittled him and stuff. Maybe.
I thought about this infidelity thing for a long time. I spent two years writing about it, in fact. I examined it as deeply as I could. I tried to understand it from the perspective of the man and the woman. I wrote a novel - one I am very pleased with - called Diamond's Light that has only two characters that deal essentially with this issue.
It is an extremely difficult issue but my conclusion, in the end, was that integrity IS more important than convenience.
What that has to do with where John Edwards parks his Johnson is known only to you and Linda Tripp.
melior | 08.09.08 - 11:08 pm | #
If someone wants to run for president as a democrat, knowing about monica, about "monkey business" and the press standard, then either they should have no discoverable affairs on the side or be upfront about it and see if it can be negated. run on the "i got some on the side, but it's really nobody's business and I'm going to fix poverty" line if you want to and all the more power to you. Do not run with a potentially disastrous secret ready to explode and damage the people who put their trust in you.
Barry
ahem, Xan wrote for correnteW, not Talk Left, and is now (perhaps, it's not clear) back at olde corrente.blogspot. barry, am i "loony?"
...this is why i have a hard time with some people here; is it so hard to remember the address and authors upon one? or that a group blog means, "more than one person," and thus "of differing opinions?" blogging isn't entering into a hivemind. read what people *actually write,* and not what you think you remember from some link that someone highlighted in a comment on another blog that's wholly unrelated. i'm not accusing you of anything barry, but i know what you don't; and you shouldn't presume to know why xan, or anyone, does anything with (or without) their blog and mates unless you've received direct, personal communication from those people. and always, links are demanded for a reason. such as: to show you actually know which writers said what, when, and about/to whom. sloppiness hurts us all, yo?
chicago dyke, one w/simels
Yep, Xan has moved back into the old building.
And yes, I was sloppy when I said looney bin. I should have singled out Lambert, and not made it so inclusive that you got caught up in it.
When I read Lambert now, I see Larry Johnson and Ed Hale, just a better worded guy than them.
Sorry, meant nothing against you.
BB
Rootless,
That's a young Bill Beutel from the local NY market of the period. A nobody. I didn't even look at the second link. No less than Glenn Greenwald, a fierce a media critic as they come, has praised Sevareid's reporting during the VNW.
I was dropped on my head as a kid.
I deserved it.
Gomez
Frontal Lobe injury is often seen in patients who present with witzelsucht.
I'm still not dead behind the bar. More whiskey. I come here for the whiskey, the women and the witzelsucht support group. Those present who are familar with the symptoms of witzelsucht will recognize immediately that the "uncontrollable tendency to pun" is one of the more notable symptoms. Poor Lambert. Perhaps someone should drop him on his head.
Hey shitforbrains, saying I'm Butler is so 2006. Stop embarrassing yourself, you pathetic dickwad...
Haven't seen any vitriol directed at Mrs Edwards here.
None, with one non-troll exception.
Evening, bats. Would McCain really pick Liebrman for his VP?
You think a repuke victory in November is not a humanity endangering event?
First, that does not necessarily obtain. A Republican victory could hasten the disintegration of the Union as we know it, but it will not endanger the race.
Second, it is by no means certain that some Democrat other than Edwards would win: specifically, that Obama WILL win.
Third, it is possible that Edwards could have fathered several bastards and still have been elected. Think Jefferson or Strom Thurmond here.
Nonetheless, I am confident that none of these considerations crossed Mr. Edwards' mind when he decided to hit it.
I bet George W. Bush wished he would have served in the National guard instead of flying combat missions in Vietnam...wait!?! He didn't do either.
Right.
He's going to pick Gore's former running mate...
Say! Denigrating National Guard service? That's a real winner. Knock yourself out.
if you read it leave a comment or i'll never convince a publisher that they should pay me to write more. which they probably shouldn't.
only part way though it, bookmarked for later. Reminds me of the Edgar Rice Burroughs' books.
Would McCain really pick Liebrman for his VP?
I certainly hope so!
The Chinese will sweep the table tennis.
Would McCain really pick Liebrman for his VP?
god, I hope so.
Evening, bats. Would McCain really pick Liebrman for his VP?
Hecate, Runnymeade Conspirator
If we clap loud enough maybe he will. Wouldn't two wrinkly, old white guys be an awesome ticket?
Therre wasn't any porn that we knowingly linked. The site we linked has porn and humorous retouched and unretouched photos, and we linked a picture of a cat sleeping luxuriously on a computer keyboard, a highway construction/amber alert sign board that said there was construction ahead
but don't expect help because the person typing this got fired today, and a kid's team hockey photo with -- we are not making this up -- one of the kids
exploding in vomit as the rest of the team is apparently perfectly unaware of this.
Hecate: Evening, bats. Would McCain really pick Liebrman for his VP?
It's possible, but not probable, unless some dumbass has convinced McCain't that Jowley Joe will bring thw PUMAs in in record numbers...
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The real threat to America comes from progressives buying into the wingnut frame that having a fling (something a non-trivial percentage of married Americans, hell, married politicians, do with no deaths resulting) somehow disqualifies a Democrat, but not a Republican for president.
You are bending over and letting Rove ratfuck you.
Would McCain really pick Liebrman for his VP?
One can only hope. Leave all the fundies at home.
Wouldn't two wrinkly, old white guys be an awesome ticket?
puppethead
A true paradigm shift!
Why aren't they showing Judo?
the day Kei and Yuri get banned here BEFORE you do Allen is the day the Hades Ice Cream Store opens its door.
--
You do see the KY porn link, yes? Masquerading as something else?
Damn tags.
I wish Apprentice was here to kick your ass.
But as I was saying:
Lots and lots of rich white kids signed up for the Guard to avoid getting drafted to 'Nam. Just try to fuckign deny that. And don't give me that "Support the Troops" bullshit.
Unless you consider vomiting kids to be porn...
...and I just got home from a date with a dicktease who gave me blueballs...
Elias | Homepage | 08.09.08 - 11:11 pm | #
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Your sister owes you an apology!
Right.
He's going to pick Gore's former running mate...
Elias | Homepage | 08.09.08 - 11:14 pm | #
I've been away all day and this is the first thing I see?
Sheesh.
Thank god the hookers and blow are arriving in ten minutes....
Tlaz, Quayle is a military veteran and he served multiple times in both houses of Congress before he ran for the Veep. Edwards? None of the above.
Quayle got the rich kid's intro to the Indiana Nat'l Guard, just like Bush.
Quayle did little in either the House or the Senate except promote the wacko religious views of his truly bizarre wife. I defy you to present a single bill he authored that promoted the general welfare.
He was chosen for VP because of his looks and his dull intellect. He was assassination insurance, as far as the elder Bush was concerned.
OK, but if I said that, that shit wouldn't fly. Just be careful.
Written obscenity is one thing, visual another...
TPM says he's been vetted. McCain might be desperate enough to do it. I hope he does as much for McCain as he did for Gore.
thanks melior
no problem, Barry. you know i've always enjoyed speaking with you and i'm just tired of people painting with a too-broad brush. not just of "my" blog, but all over the blogosphere. anway, i'm not at all mad and i'm glad to catch you in the pm instead of am for a change!
what's your take on the masks/smog/athlete controversy? i lost it with some other bloggers who were defending the chicom's 'right' to be offended at the slight? bad air isn't where world records are set, yo? and 'saving face' seems like utter bs to me.
And yes, I was sloppy when I said looney bin. I should have singled out Lambert, and not made it so inclusive that you got caught up in it.
absolutely batshit crazy over there. the tinfoil conspiracy shit ("Texas FRAUD, I tell ya" or "OBama is conbveniently out of the country") is almost as funny as the steady drumbeat of anti-Obama defeatism from the regular posters over there. the repitition is telling. Lambert's Blog sure has become a must-see stop on the Daily Dose of Defeatism (TalkLeft,Lambert,NoQuarter)
barry, might I ask you not to quote so extensively in replies? it defeats the functionality of my killfile.
What montag said.
We just checked the hockey photo link and it went straight to the hockey photo jpg file with no stop at the homepage or popups or a page with nsfw ads.
Did Edwards actually claim the timing of his wife's so-called remission as a mitigating factor in his decision to begin fornicating with this other woman? Ha, ha. Dowd calls it "oncologically correct."
Thank god the hookers and blow are arriving in ten minutes....
steve hüssein® simels
Dan concert? 
Thank god the hookers and blow are arriving in ten minutes....
steve hüssein® simels
Steve prolly knows who Bill Beutel was. If he ever was anyone.
Hey Simels?
Are you familiar with irony?
It's a new thing, only about 100yrs old or so?
montag: recall George HW Bush, talking of how Clinton assaulted the 'dignity of the presidency'. This, from the man who placed J. Danforth Quayle a heartbeat away from it...
And Wombat, you know as well as I do that your argument is nothing more than a straw man. Of course having an affair of the heart is not the same as justifying an illegal war or torturing: but that is not the choice, is it?
Find moral equivalence where there is none is Fox News Arguing.
Look, whatever else John Edwards has done, he has pretty much done the "Gary Hart" thing to his political career. That is sad as I liked what he said and how he said it.
And that makes me sad.
And a bit angry as his ego and its need for massaging.
Judo? Oh, there'll be lot's of judo.
The boxing is taking place at the Workers' Gymnasium.
Shorter Greg Gutfeld
"Female breasts are designed to attract men to have sex with the front of a woman, which leads to species survival, rather than having sex with the rear of a woman, which leads to species destruction.
Leering at womens’ breasts is critical to human survival ."
http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/...ives/
10621.html
How can you people sit around here jawing when the Osmonds 50th is on PBS right now?
EkCenTriK |
You know, I like you, but I will admit I immediately thought of you as the mole and me playing Whack-a-mole.
what's your take on the masks/smog/athlete controversy? i lost it with some other bloggers who were defending the chicom's 'right' to be offended at the slight? bad air isn't where world records are set, yo? and 'saving face' seems like utter bs to me.
chicago dyke, one w/simels
The masks, so common in Japan and other parts of Asia, won't protect from the nasty nasty stuff that is molecular in size.
I've never understood, for example, the girls at the tool boots on the highway from CKS Airport to Taipei, wearing masks, they aren't gonna protect em from all the gasses they are exposed to.
Just my take.
And sorry I got your hackles up.
Hmmmm I wonder if FUX Noise ever covered the extra-marital affairs of Ghouliani, Gingrich or McCain?
he has pretty much done the "Gary Hart" thing to his political career.
Hmmm, curious that you would call it that instead of a McCain or a Gingrich.
In fact it's none of the above. It's a Sarkozy. Get over it.
And a bit angry as his ego and its need for massaging.
It was getting something else massaged that led to the problem, I think.
Good Lord! Beutel even has a wiki entry. Some wikipedians are definitely whack.
On January 6, 1975, Beutel was reassigned by ABC News and became the co-host (along with Stephanie Edwards) of a new morning show called AM America. This show, ABC's first attempt at a morning news program to compete with NBC's Today and CBS's combination of network news and Captain Kangaroo...
Leering at womens’ breasts is critical to human survival ."
I felt like that when I was nineteen.
herre wasn't any porn that we knowingly linked
fwiw, i got a pr0n site too. nasty, boring pr0n at that.
what's your take on the masks/smog/athlete controversy? i lost it with
some other bloggers who were defending the chicom's 'right' to be
offended at the slight? bad air isn't where world records are set, yo?
and 'saving face' seems like utter bs to me.
It has near-always been acceptable in Northeast Asia to wear surgical or light air filter masks in public, normally when you have a cold, to protect others around you. It's a damn good custom we should consider adopting. We're not sure how the Chinese could claim to be offended by us adopting their custom, except insofar as this represents a failure to accept their phony baloney pollution-free weather-control utopia.
Third, it is possible that Edwards could have fathered several bastards and still have been elected.
"Bastards"? Wow. Is it the Nineteenth Century already?
what's your take on the masks/smog/athlete controversy? i lost it with some other bloggers who were defending the chicom's 'right' to be offended at the slight? bad air isn't where world records are set, yo? and 'saving face' seems like utter bs to me.
chicago dyke,
Think it will do a lot of good, if the pollution harms the games. They have already realized that climate change is occurring, now they are in the spot light to make changes.
We just checked the hockey photo link and it went straight to the hockey photo jpg file
Goes to phun.org home page for me, which does have some pornie content. Shit happens.
barry, might I ask you not to quote so extensively in replies? it defeats the functionality of my killfile.
mrs. ibrahim al-jafaari
Perhaps I should just go to bed
I'm not having such a good night, I'll go pic on Ed for a while.
"Shorter Peggy “Gary Ruppert” Noonan
The fact is, here in the Heartland, the mass throngs of manly white bikers will rev up their resentment and save us from President Barack Hussein Obama.
http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/...ives/
10617.html
DWD: I'm not arguing. I'm not justifying. I regret the whole thing. It's a waste, a diversion and all that. But I'm just fresh out of self-righteousness with which to condemn him. This, as I said, is a reflection of me more than him.
It's been said by smarter folk than I that to err is human.
Hecate's making dick jokes?
Here Simels, let me make it simple for you:
What appears as:
Right.
He's going to pick Gore's former running mate...
Really means:
"Yeah, right.
Like he's really going to pick Gore's former running mate...dumbass."
Comprende, crackhead?
herre wasn't any porn that we knowingly linked
I got nasty pron site, too. Sorry, must be some kind of intertube thing knowing a link has been hit --> redirect.
I defy you to present a single bill he authored that promoted the general welfare.
off the top of my head, probably the capstone of his legislative career was the Quayle/Kennedy Job Training Partnership Act of 1982.
It wasn't earthshaking, but at least it wasn't a total raving flustercluck like No Child Left Behind.
We just checked the hockey photo link and it went straight to the hockey photo jpg file with no stop at the homepage or popups or a page with nsfw ads.
The cat IT link was to the main page of the site, and one had to scroll over a lot of, um, boobies and thongs to get to what you were actually talking about.
You should be a little more cautious linking - a good thing I was at home instead of at work.
tool boots = toll booths
duh
Leering at womens’ breasts is critical to human survival ."
I felt like that when I was nineteen.
Mr French | 08.09.08 - 11:21 pm | #
Oh yes... The only reason I do is for the very survival of the species.....
i got a pr0n site too
Did it go to a homepage for you or did you just get a jpg on a white background? Our intention was this picture, which as we have already described, captures vomit in mid-spew amid teammates and coaches not yet conscious of the horrors that surround them...
In fact it's none of the above. It's a Sarkozy. Get over it.
melior
I already have.
But the point remains whether you like it or not.
(And you can get over it - or not)
I guess I don't care too much about whether a presidential candidate had an extra-marital affair or not but please can our next president at least be able to speak english and have an IQ higher than a third grade drop out or is that asking too much?
Hey Simels?
Are you familiar with irony?
It's a new thing, only about 100yrs old or so?
Elias
Steve might be too old to remember irony, which he invented before the senile dementia and get off my lawnism gripped him.
I have been married for a long time and I love the sanctity of marriage. It is a good thing for PEOPLE to share their lives.
Fair enough that you've decided that for yourself. You don't have any business deciding that for others, though.
"playing Whack-a-mole."
Hey, these guys still trying to act like they are in their twenties is art.
Spocko, why, thank you
phun.org is doing the redirect.
BTW, ChiDy, I've got some good sites if you're interested...
Actually, Barry, "the girls at the tool boots on the highway" has a stimulating poetic sound.
Fucking redirect, that must be it; we would be getting around it because of the cookies...
But seriously, if you only laugh at one picture of a young hockey player throwing up, it really should be this one.
Clancy at the Bar
Risk Assessment? Really??
I have been married for a long time and I love the sanctity of marriage. It is a good thing for PEOPLE to share their lives.
Fair enough that you've decided that for yourself. You don't have any business deciding that for others, though.
Afuckingmen.
barry, no hackles raised here at all. just a slightly pedantic clarification impulse, cause i'm like that. this, however:
Lambert's Blog sure has become a must-see stop on the Daily Dose of Defeatism (TalkLeft,Lambert [well, that's something, i guess] ,NoQuarter)
barry, might I ask you not to quote so extensively in replies? it defeats the functionality of my killfile.
he's speaking of me, of course. must see, must not, who can tell? previously i've called this one a liar, now i know, it's just sloppy and lazy and overly enthused about things of which it knows little. like a cheerleader, i pity it.
(And you can get over it - or not)
DWD - Fed Up • → BS
I'm over it, in fact was never really upset at Edwards at all. Mildy annoyed maybe. He never claimed to be superhuman.
Mainly I was filled with eye-rolling at the GOP and media pantysniffing party, and disappointment at all the non-Republicans who ought to know better but instead allow the Atwaters and Roves to set the rules of the game to hypocritical+silly.
nutroot "progressive" Michael Phelps sets world record!
ProfWombat, a perfect day of fried clams, sweet corn and blueberry pie in the open air makes me think it's time for a perfect evening at a tiny blues club in Van Nuys. Lousy neighborhood, beer sold in the cooler, doors wide open into the streets, and incredible music.
*sorry*
The real threat to America comes from progressives buying into the wingnut frame that having a fling (something a non-trivial percentage of married Americans, hell, married politicians, do with no deaths resulting) somehow disqualifies a Democrat, but not a Republican for president.
Shouldn't disqualify either, absent other things. If they would just fuck each other and maybe leave the rest of us out of it, we'd be all set.
Edwards paternity test demanded by Rielle's family!
sallyh: you're on. Is it a bring your own Calvados and pecan pie place?
It's been said by smarter folk than I that to err is human.
ProfWombat | 08.09.08 - 11:22 pm | #
Dude, if a surgeon showed up to operate slightly drunk or a physician doing a study on some cure was found to own stock in the company making the cure, would you be as understanding? The man asked his supporters to trust him to take them through the election and on to governance even though he knew he had opened himself to a scandal.
His relationship with his wife is his problem, not mine. His attempt to get the nomination while giving the pukes the ability to sink him all the time was scandalous.
I know nothing about the size of the particles in the air around the Olympics in China, but in 2000, I was in the Northern Rockies in the middle of some huge forest fires.
I and my family wore hepa masks outside and while driving and we found that wearing them relieved some of the immediate distress from the smoke.
They can help some.
Melior, that was what irked me. It's as if there's absolutely no wars going on in Iraq, Afghanistan, and the Caucusus, the economy is going along swimmingly, there's no credit crunch, and people are secure in their homes and jobs.
Relax ky. No biggie. We all like to fawn self-righteousness now and again...
...some more than others.
Dig?
And we can't view page source to dig at an index either.
Risk Assessment? Really??
Deacon Blues
I had to check. Risk Management, but that was my great uncle. I just got high and played Risk. I have no bold faced initials after my name, unless you count the JD, but I'm too old to be called a juvenile delinquent now. I'm just a dirty, old cranky man.
The real threat to America comes from progressives buying into the wingnut frame that having a fling (something a non-trivial percentage of married Americans, hell, married politicians, do with no deaths resulting) somehow disqualifies a Democrat, but not a Republican for president.
If a Democrat's soul has to be pure, how are we even going to be able to tell? Anyone got an old copy of Malleus Maleficarum lying around?
"Yeah, right.
Like he's really going to pick Gore's former running mate...dumbass."
Comprende, crackhead?
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And you know this because you are a good prognosticator right? Didn't you predict Hillary would be the democratic nominee and that the Lakers would win the NBA title....
And, for now, the entire Edwards narrative on class and economics in this country--the most consistent offered amongst the candidates--will be forgotten. That's a damned shame. That stuff desperately needs to be explored.
ProfWombat, no, beer only, sold in the cooler. Honor system.
But perhaps later some Calvados and pecan pie
Anyone got an old copy of Malleus Maleficarum lying around?
As a matter of fact . . . .
I'm just a dirty, old cranky man.
I love you.
Why would Edwards lie abt that baby being his? Is he that fucking stupid? And by that, I mean, why would anyone self-identify as an Edwards supporter?
Hey baldy, who did you pick to win last years Super Bowl...be honest.
he entire Edwards narrative on class and economics in this country--the most consistent offered amongst the candidates--will be forgotten. That's a damned shame. That stuff desperately needs to be explored.
Agreed; I was hoping he have a spot on the cabinet and that's not going to happen. I do think he'll be back, in time, but not during this administration.
Rielle family demanding paternity test!
Edwards paternity test demanded by Rielle's family!
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Bobo the gorilla had a paternity test and it was than that Luby finally learned who his real father was.
Friedman is a fool. But this is worth noting. I have observed that in all other countries, including in America, people are complaining about how prices of [gasoline] are going up,” Denmark’s prime minister, Anders Fogh Rasmussen, told me. “The cure is not to reduce the price, but, on the contrary, to raise it even higher to break our addiction to oil. We are going to introduce a new tax reform in the direction of even higher taxation on energy and the revenue generated on that will be used to cut taxes on personal income — so we will improve incentives to work and improve incentives to save energy and develop renewable energy.”
Because it was smart taxes and incentives that spurred Danish energy companies to innovate, Ditlev Engel, the president of Vestas — Denmark’s and the world’s biggest wind turbine company — told me that he simply can’t understand how the U.S. Congress could have just failed to extend the production tax credits for wind development in America.
Why should you care?
“We’ve had 35 new competitors coming out of China in the last 18 months,” said Engel, “and not one out of the U.S.”
it went straight (heh) to tits, ass and thongs for me, kids. i use safari, so no 'redirect,' just opening addy in a new window. and it was all ick/boring.
tool boots = toll booths
whew! i thought i was getting very stoopid for a sec. which is likely true, but still...thanks for your input, sleep well.
Are we the only ones who remember how, back before they could disqualify Edwards for adultery, they were disqualifying him for inexperience (well at least now he's experienced), and before that he was disqualified for a haircut?
The man asked his supporters to trust him to take them through the election and on to governance even though he knew he had opened himself to a scandal.
He has not betrayed my trust. If he blew off his message and started shilling for the rich instead of defending the poor, that would be betraying me.
A scandal only exists if you agree to pretend along with Sean Hannity that there is a scandal at all. And that's pretty sad, I think.
I love you.
Sallyh, Grandmere Poissonniere
You might wish to rethink that or just love me from afar. I have infrequent ablutial urges.
The real threat to America comes from progressives buying into the wingnut frame that having a fling (something a non-trivial percentage of married Americans, hell, married politicians, do with no deaths resulting) somehow disqualifies a Democrat, but not a Republican for president.
But of course, the Repugs like 'em 14 y.o. and younger.
And, for now, the entire Edwards narrative on class and economics in this country--the most consistent offered amongst the candidates--will be forgotten. That's a damned shame. That stuff desperately needs to be explored.
Nothing's stopping Obama or any other party-leader level Democrats from taking up the mantle.
But I think Edwards will be back out front in a couple years. After he has received what the public scolds consider just more than just punishment.
His attempt to get the nomination while giving the pukes the ability to sink him all the time was scandalous.
rootless-e | 08.09.08 - 11:28 pm | #
Dumb maybe, scandalous, c'mon.
Baldy?
It's a shame how McCain fucked over his first wife for a blond bimbo flush with cash.
Why would anyone self-identify as an McCain supporter?
Fuck this. I'm hungry.
i use safari, so no 'redirect,'
Safari gets redirected. I use it myself.
Do you think Obamachrist called Silkiness up and said, "Dude, you need to get this shit out of my world now"?
How can Edwards not go the convention? Doesn't he have delegates?
Look on the bright side, at least Coulter doesn't get to call Edwards a fag anymore.
Would McCain really pick Liebrman for his VP?
I certainly hope so!
SteveNS
oh please, oh please, oh please.
otherwise, how will our new dear leader know the difference between shihite and suni, or al qaeda and terrorist extremists.
...and I just got home from a date with a dicktease who gave me blueballs...
Elias |
So?
Is That unusual?
So Toby, the punk ass nazi bitch with a tiny, useless penis, runs into the room, waving (or trying to) its tiny, useless penis, like it's the Jeff Stryker of blog commenting, and it runs headfirst into killfile, knocks itself even stupider than it is, and, to cap it all off, shits himself. True story!
I tell you, that ALWAYS bring a smile to my face.
Dude, if a surgeon showed up to operate slightly drunk or a physician doing a study on some cure was found to own stock in the company making the cure, would you be as understanding?
On the other hand, if said surgeon or physician cheated on his wife, why would I give a flying flip?
Clancy, as I'm a happily married woman, I'll just love you from afar.
I do, however, have a soft spot for curmudgeons. I must; I married one
Safari gets redirected. I use it myself.
Doesn't it have a tool option to show a warning when a page attempts a redirect?
giving the pukes the ability to sink him all the time
Dude, that's not him.
That's you.
Honestly Elias I picked the Giants because they played the Patriots tough and almost beat them in the season finale.
Are we the only ones who remember how, back before they could disqualify Edwards for adultery, they were disqualifying him for inexperience (well at least now he's experienced), and before that he was disqualified for a haircut?
I remember when Edwards was too pretty and too gay to be a legitimate candidate. And too rich. And too lawyery.
A scandal only exists if you agree to pretend along with Sean Hannity that there is a scandal at all.
Yeah. But even so, Edwards is a dumbass to have thought he could get away with lying about it.
The Republicans were right about Edwards and now they'll be believed when Obama is characterized as the next philanderer.
i see elias has finally "found" his enabler, was there ever any doubt? this particular troupe is the the 'B' team, right toothless-e?
Oh crap. Edwards fucked up. And he almost fucked everything else up by proximity. You can argue the pros and cons of marriage, but it remains, he cheated on his wife. Big whoopie. But the resulting scandal could have been huge. He was utterly irresponsible in this issue.
clancy
"No less than Glenn Greenwald, a fierce a media critic as they come, has praised Sevareid's reporting during the VNW."
well, i'm way to the left of Greenwald, and he may not be old enough to remember Sevareid's "wise men of washington" dithering. He was David Broder with some brain cells.
i'm no kid, but at least i'm not at the "in the good old days" stage yet.
On the other hand, if said surgeon or physician cheated on his wife, why would I give a flying flip?
Thank you, dear.
Shouldn't it be Jeri Ryan wearing those new women's swim/bodysuits?
Doesn't it have a tool option to show a warning when a page attempts a redirect?
montag
No, redirecting is part of the HTTP protocol. Maybe you're referring to Javascript gimmickry, which would be the poor man's way to do a redirect.
His attempt to get the nomination while giving the pukes the ability to sink him all the time was scandalous.
rootless-e
Typical type A, Alpha male, thrill seeking, adrenalin junky personality, just not the jumping out of perfectly good airplanes kind. The only kind of people who are crazy enough to go into politics now. I think ambition for political office in this country is now evidence of a character flaw. It wasn't always this way.
Is That unusual?
Only in the sense he almost passed out while inflating her manually.
Dude, if a surgeon showed up to operate slightly drunk or a
physician doing a study on some cure was found to own stock in the
company making the cure, would you be as understanding?
Dude! It is a politician's job to not have sex! In other news true politicians do not exist!
entire Edwards narrative on class and economics in this country--the most consistent offered amongst the candidates--will be forgotten.
zactly. shit like this makes one reach for the foil. but still: what i wouldn't give for a generation of dems who understand they have to make the Great Sacrifice of keeping in their pants unless and until they bring back regulation and 'fairness doctrine' standards to the media. fuck, if i get that, shouldn't someone "qualified" to lead the nation and free world? if i'm disappointed, it's in that last part, not because i care where he dips his wick. the media is the Enemy. that's more than obvious, at this point. even HRC didn't understand until it was too late.
He was utterly irresponsible in this issue.
Yeah, Donny Osmond would never do anything like this!
McCain is still lying, to this day, about his affair.
Edwards confessed with no definition-of-sexual-intercourse style parsing, apologized, and expressed remorse.
Who should be disqualified?
And who is enabling this?
Only in the sense he almost passed out while inflating her manually.
Seltzer--->>>laptop
if we'd just elected Jelly Roll Morton as President rather than Calvin Coolidge, we wouldn't have problems like this by now.
re-HICA!
I am back!!!!
.
This Edwards thing is only an issue for the igit press that forgets Livingston, Newt, etc.
'Dude, if a surgeon showed up to operate slightly drunk or a physician doing a study on some cure was found to own stock in the company making the cure, would you be as understanding?'
In the first instance, hell, yes. Disease, death and like that can lead one to take a drink. I didn't while I was on call, but I understand that. Do I justify it? Do I accept it? Hell, no; you'd talk to the guy, tell him he's got a problem; maybe drop a dime to get him some help (most states have such a thing, run by the medical society).
In the second instance, there's a clear moral hazard. So the question is, is it good, reproducible science, or have results been distorted to the benefit of his investments? I'd structure society differently were I dictator. But fact is, holding investments in medical devices and drug manufacturers is widespread. So you demand full disclosure of potential interests, look carefully at the research, and take it with a grain of salt.
An instructive example is a high-tech focussed radiotherapy unit, worth a few million dollars, designed to treat prostate cancer, which is reimbursed higher than traditional radiotherapy units. Now, you take the same prostate cancer to different urologists in different areas of the country and the world, you might get surgery, several different forms of radiation, or even just watched for a slow-growing, rarely fatal cancer. But these machines are marketed mostly to urologists, who thereby are transformed into hammer owners looking for nails. That's just flat-out, despicably wrong.
I started this whole discussion by saying I can't be glib about it. Note that I'm raising multiple examples. Same with Edwards. Take Gingrich, who confronted his wife with divorce papers in her hospital bed. Take McCain, who took up with the heiress and left his crippled wife. Take Gary Hart, who dared the press to catch him on board the 'Monkey Business'. Now, take Edwards. I applaud none of these men in their actions, and would not choose to emulate them. But I'll say it again. I understand what happened to Edwards. I'd hope it wouldn't happen to me, much less to my wife. But I understand what happened to him.
Typical type A, Alpha male, thrill seeking, adrenalin junky personality, just not the jumping out of perfectly good airplanes kind. The only kind of people who are crazy enough to go into politics now. I think ambition for political office in this country is now evidence of a character flaw. It wasn't always this way.
Frist!
{{{Jeffraham, my sweet!!!}}}
Out scootin' for beer?
A scandal only exists if you agree to pretend along with Sean Hannity that there is a scandal at all. And that's pretty sad, I think.
melior | 08.09.08 - 11:32 pm | #
Oh please. If it were not damaging, he could have simply noted it at the time. But he did not because he was dishonest with his supporters.
Just once I would love to see a US fighting Democrat do just what Sarkozy does: Look right into the camera and wink with a roguish grin. Then change the subject.
You know, like Chimpy's smirk, and "Now watch this drive." Except about something that's really no one's business, unlike bombing people.
I stopped liking Edwards after he was caught on microphone before a debate talking with Hillary about wishing candidates like Kucinich and Gravell weren't even invited so that candidates like Edwards and Hillary could get more time to speak during the debates...f**k that sh*t you elitist f**kstick.
How about a replay of Swagert while they're at it?
i got porn too.
apparently i'm the only one who didn't find that offensive.
Anyone got any lengthy opinions on Lucy Mercer?
well, i'm way to the left of Greenwald, and he may not be old enough to remember Sevareid's "wise men of washington" dithering. He was David Broder with some brain cells.
i'm no kid, but at least i'm not at the "in the good old days" stage yet.
rootless-e
Greenwald is young. He only recently developed a politcal consciousness. Didn't even vote for the first 14 years he was eligible too. It's not easy to his politics down but today, most Americans do their politics ala carte, but our screwy "winner take all" system tends to accentuate and promote these wild polarizations and only two political parties with which to express what are really a smorgasbord of political tastes. There were no good old days. But I don't really remember. I was stoned as much of time as humanly possible.
Safari gets redirected. I use it myself.
puppethead |
"Dammit, Jim! I'm a philologist, not a techie! You green-blooded Vulcans will never understand what it's like to be human."
...seriously, i don't know anything about that. it opened directly into a fresh pr0n window, more that that i can't say.
Oh please. If it were not damaging, he could have simply noted it at the time.
rootless-e
Arguably he should have. But it's really none of their business.
♥ ♥ ♥ ♥ ♥ Sallyh! ♥ ♥ ♥ ♥ ♥
Out scootin' for beer?
I did a couple of hours ago, yeah. Kroger was PACKED. I'm watching local weather to see what asshat predicted snow.
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on the hockey/porn link, you're getting a different result than I and others are--I'm seeing a series of semi-naked posed shots, no hockey link in sight.
But I understand what happened to him.
ProfWombat | 08.09.08 - 11:40 pm | #
I really sympathized with Tom Eagleton. Really, there is absolutely nothing immoral or wrong about getting psychological counseling. But concealing that information in order to become a VP nominee is wrong. Same principle here.
Dawn Davenport is relatively hawt, btw.
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Well, if he were the nominee, his message about poverty, etc. wouldn't be getting out at all. The press would be 24/7 about his affair. We may all think that's stupid, realize that the press takes a different approach to Republicans, etc. But that doesn't change the fact that this is ALL we'd be hearing about for months.
Anyone got any lengthy opinions on Lucy Mercer?
Uncle Smokes | Homepage | 08.09.08 - 11:42 pm | #
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No Unc, but that was pretty shitty of FDR and his daughter to go behind Eleanors back and allow mistress Mercer to spend time with FDR before he died...what a slap in the face huh?
one thing i always tell my alchy buddy is, you can show up to work stoned, but never ever be drunk.
he doesn't listen.
ah yes, the enlightened, oh-so-precious Denmark, vanguard of the Scandinavian Socialist Nirvanas!
a place only somewhat bigger than Maryland, yeah, Denmark's a great model for the great big USA, you assfuck
rootless, perhaps if there wasn't such a fucking stigma surrounding psychiatric illnesses, he just might have been more forthcoming.
Really, there is absolutely nothing immoral or wrong about getting psychological counseling. But concealing that information in order to become a VP nominee is wrong. Same principle here.
rootless-e
Not wrong for Republicans, just Democrats. I understand.
"Ma! Ma! Where's my pa?
Gone to the White House,
ha ha ha!"
And Cleveland still won.
I don't get this, we are all human. Some try harder than others to be honorable, but we all fail.
Just discussing Edwards sex life is making me tired. Also..............
hasn't this all been talked out before with Clinton?
Oh crap. Edwards fucked up. And he almost fucked everything else up by proximity. You can argue the pros and cons of marriage, but it remains, he cheated on his wife. Big whoopie. But the resulting scandal could have been huge. He was utterly irresponsible in this issue.
EkCenTriK | 08.09.08 - 11:36 pm | #
Thank you. The idea that people around here are going "oh, it's no biggie", or "this is only a scandal because we let it be" is frankly lunatic.
Turns out Edwards is an asshole. A reckless asshole, like a certain ex-President.
It's a good thing I have no intention of running for office, ever, heh.
Okay, going to bed.
Talk to you fine folks in the morning, j'espere...
Fox News will invent something -- they don't need an affair.
Is America's political memory really too short to remember what they did to Kerry and Gore?
a place only somewhat bigger than Maryland, yeah, Denmark's a great model for the great big USA, you assfuck
So you don't think states can accomplish what Denmark has? Or the United States of America, with all its might and wealth?
Turns out Edwards is an asshole. A reckless asshole, like a certain ex-President.
What simels johnson said.
Was there this much news coverage of the Oral Roberts university thingie?
Thank you. The idea that people around here are going "oh, it's no biggie", or "this is only a scandal because we let it be" is frankly lunatic
It's no big deal because the nightmare scenario didn't happen. It's all about the context. Everyone's angry at a what-if instead of focusing on reality.
Let's see. Before I retire for the night I should list all of the things that would be nice. . . .
The war will end in six months with free elections and the troops will come home.
Either candidate will balance the budget and the economy will grow.
America IS #1
Our health care system IS the best in the world.
The Tigers are going to win the World Series this year.
The Lions will win the Super Bowl.
Nothing will stop the Pittsburgh Penguins from the second Stanley Cup (the first was stolen by the Refs)
Drilling for new oil will drive prices down so we can fill up our SUVs for $25 again.
Negative advertising does not work so Barack Obama should stay away from it like he has so far.
Extra marital affairs do not matter to the public as long as a politician is doing a good job.
Edwards is exactly the kind of reckless asshole that would make a great president and a huge improvement over Bush.
Unless his sex life matters more than his policies.
ah yes, the enlightened, oh-so-precious Denmark, vanguard of the Scandinavian Socialist Nirvanas!
a place only somewhat bigger than Maryland, yeah, Denmark's a great model for the great big USA, you assfuck
Know-nothing pendejo jerkoff.
rootless: Eagleton didn't just get counseling; if I recall correctly, he was hospitalized and got ECT ('shock therapy'). That'd probably still be a deal breaker today, much less in 1972.
And yes, it's a shame; there's more to admire in a man who needed help, got it and did all right than in someone in denial that he has a problem at all.
one thing i always tell my alchy buddy is, you can show up to work stoned, but never ever be drunk.
Up in Nashville I had a guy working for me who showed up three sheets to the wind, every day. He'd slip out to his car at 10AM for more.
I didn't give a shit. He wrote better code drunk than most people do sober.
Eventually, the skank he was dating left him, and he quit coming to work. After a couple of weeks we had to fire him.
Nobody cares abt the adultery. They care abt the phony horseshit that both Edwardses were selling. Oh, and the hush money thing. That thing's gonna get so rank it will smoke out the news that the little baby is his.
apparently i'm the only one who didn't find that offensive.
charley
i didn't say "offensive." i said "nasty" and "boring." str8 pr0n can be so...dull, truth be told. "look at my thong!" "ZOMG i've got a dick in my mouth!" "how much makeup can i slather on my face as i suck this cock while taking up the ass?" zzzzzzzzz
the best sex engages the brain. period.
George W. Bush, had an extra-marital affair if you can call raping a woman an extra-marital affair but he had the woman suicided. Google the name Margie Schoedinger.
Extra marital affairs by Democrats do not matter to the public as long as a politician is doing a good job.
DWD - Fed Up
You were so close, too.
I could give a fuck about where Edwards sticks his thingy, truth is, the majority of voters do.
Turns out Edwards is an asshole. A reckless asshole, like a certain ex-President.
What simels johnson said.
Mr French
Or a current president. I'd still rather have the ex-P back.
I'm not going to talk about "it," because "they" are talking about "it," and for some reason, a lot of you are talking about "it."
I'm over "it."
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Nothing will stop the Pittsburgh Penguins from the second Stanley Cup (the first was stolen by the Refs
You should probably stop trying to push my buttons or I'm going to come out there and..........
snark/
a place only somewhat bigger than Maryland, yeah, Denmark's a great model for the great big USA, you assfuck
Lubyanka | 08.09.08 - 11:46 pm
Sweet talk me some more with your filthy, purty mouth, Cletis.
Indeed, Edwards' infidelity puts out of the league of such great American leaders and unfailingly monogamous husbands as Thomas Jefferson,
Franklin Roosevelt, John Kennedy and Bill Clinton.
rootless and steve: I don't entirely disagree. I'm not trying to justify what Edwards did.
I could give a fuck about where Edwards sticks his thingy, truth is, the majority of voters do.
Mr French
Then they definitely shouldn't vote for him for president.
A king must be morally perfect. Perhaps it's true that many Americans really want a king.
I'm not going to talk about "it," because "they" are talking about
"it," and for some reason, a lot of you are talking about "it."
Thank you. You saw the hockey picture, didn't you? What did you think of the vomit?
truth is, the majority of voters do
Bill Clinton's experience to the contrary.
Nobody cares abt the adultery. They care abt the phony horseshit that both Edwardses were selling. Oh, and the hush money thing. That thing's gonna get so rank it will smoke out the news that the little baby is his.
Toby Petzold | Homepage | 08.09.08 - 11:51 pm | #
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Oh bullshit Tubby. The puritans in the GOP care about it a lot unless it's one of them. Hell they gave Diaper David Vitter a standing ovation at a luncheon after he came back to DC following the exposure of his sexcapades with a hooker. Got to love them family values.
the best sex engages the brain. period.
chicago dyke,
you catch the comparison to Edgar Rice Burroughs?
I could give a fuck about where Edwards sticks his thingy, truth is, the majority of Villagers and Republicans do.
Mr French | 08.09.08 - 11:52 pm | #
Frenched your tongue.
tee hee, Butler thinks irony is 100 years old.
Edwards recklessness was having an affair and then having the hubris to think he could run for President of the US and nobody would find out about it.
A king must be morally perfect.
Oh yeah, there were none of those at all that screwed around. You want to go one better, maybe Americans want to all be Pope.
Nobody cares abt the adultery. They care abt the phony horseshit that both Edwardses were selling. Oh, and the hush money thing. That thing's gonna get so rank it will smoke out the news that the little baby is his.
Toby Petzold | Homepage | 08.09.08 - 11:51 pm
Good thing he didn't call her a "cunt" in public - that would have been really bad.
Nobody cares abt the adultery.
Mouthbreather speak with forked tongue. Mouthbreather need to buy a vowel.
the notion that cute energy ideas from a small, homogenous country like Denmark should apply to a massive, spread-out economy like America's is absurd, and therefore totally leftist
Bill Clinton's experience to the contrary.
I dunno, that was an after the fact scenario, or maybe i'm drunk and talking out my ass... again.
No Unc, but that was pretty shitty of FDR and his daughter to go behind Eleanors back and allow mistress Mercer to spend time with FDR before he died...what a slap in the face huh?
Uncle Fester Lurk
From a good documentary I learned that she didn't begin to forgive him until she saw all the people lining the train tracks to pay their last respects.
A king must be morally perfect. Perhaps it's true that many Americans really want a king.
I don't think so. If, before the primaries began Edwards held a press conference, apologized to his wife for hurting her, owned up, etc he could still have been in it. but he didn't.
We should be talking about the Olympics, but NBC is showing gymnastics which is one of the most boring sports to air.
Later. L'affaire Edwards has bored me out of my mind.
Oh yeah, there were none of those at all that screwed around. You want to go one better, maybe Americans want to all be Pope.
*sorry*
You right, but then again there was that pope who married his horse...
Lubyanka how is your father Bobo the gorilla doing?
And yes, it's a shame; there's more to admire in a man who needed help, got it and did all right than in someone in denial that he has a problem at all.
I agree with you completely and yet I cannot forgive my gambling addict husband (#2).
See we all are weak and have our faults, even though we try not to.
the notion that cute energy ideas from a small, homogenous country like Denmark should apply to a massive, spread-out economy like America's is absurd, and therefore totally leftist
Know-nothing pendejo jerkoff.
The only thing you know about energy is licking electrical outlets to see what it tastes like.
Really, there is absolutely nothing immoral or wrong about getting psychological counseling. But concealing that information in order to become a VP nominee is wrong. Same principle here.
rootless-e |
well, sort of. a) it's the lying part that really makes edwards' affair "an issue," in as much as it can be said to be one. b) it's also about being a Smart Fighting Dem. you don't think about what's 'fair' or 'right,' you think about winning, bigtime, and hamstringing your op. fucking a stupid astral obsessed and very chatty chippy in a public place knowing you're being watched = not ready for prime time. if i were still invested in him deeply, that would be the part i'd be most pissed over; luckily i Just Don't Care anymore. about where he sticks it, or when he gets zapped b/c he's depressed, or any of the rest of that utterly personal shit.
still, i advocate going after individuals in the SCLM. with cell phone cams. and video. you want "fucked up?" start there. hint: most of them only "work" 3-5hrs a day, and are paid 10x more than the average amurkin. what do you think they do with all their free time. not 'charity.'
If, before the primaries began McCain held a press conference, apologized to his wife for hurting her, owned up, etc he could still have been in it. But he didn't.
Eventually, the skank he was dating left him, and he quit coming to work. After a couple of weeks we had to fire him.
theodoric of athens
well, that proves no rule is absolute. but you knew he was drunk, most employers don't accept that, but they can't really tell if you're stoned.
i wish i wrote code, i'd want to work for you. of course i'd only show up stoned.
yeah CD, been a long time since i've seen good sex. but i love pictures.
I'm not going to talk about "it," because "they" are talking about "it," and for some reason, a lot of you are talking about "it."
Let's talk about something other than it or exploding vomit or bad porn.
I see that Tennessee won tonight. And I am a person without a team, on account of I can't stand Bretttttt Faaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaavre, and he's now a Jet. That shit ain't right.
The only thing you know about energy is licking electrical outlets to see what it tastes like.
Comment of the day!
you catch the comparison to Edgar Rice Burroughs?
If she didn't, I did...and found it , um, entirely confusing. And I like Burroughs, albeit the Mars books more than the Tarzan stuff. I just don't in any way see a comparison, in style, in subject, in substance, nada.
Of course Burroughs stuff sold like crazy, is still in print today, and he got a town named after him, or at least one of his characters. . I look greatly forward to living in Chicagodykeville someday soon.
Gymnastics blows my mind. I could never even do a damn cartwheel.
Rielle's family demanding Breck Girl paternity test--may they drive litigation up the NC ambulance chaser's fundament: it's called alimony, Breck Girl
Let's talk about something other than it or exploding vomit or bad porn.
OK, I've vented my steam. I appreciate y'all for enduring it.
I don't hate the playa here, I hate the game.
the notion that cute energy ideas from a small, homogenous country like Denmark should apply to a massive, spread-out economy like America's is absurd, and therefore totally leftist
Lubyanka | 08.09.08 - 11:56 pm
Luby - you daffy dildo you - can you say that because our system is working so incredibly fine?
Also, I like the "absurd = leftist" thing. I gonna start referring to child rapists as "so totally GOPist."
Night, all
Look, on the Edward's thing, It is just sad and disappointing all around.
And if I had to compare affairs: leaving your wife because she had been a disfiguring accident to marry a rodeo queen who is richer than god and leaving your invalid wife and children to do so compared to seeking solace with a kindly woman while your wife is gone: well, Edwards wins that hands down.
But there is no contest as to who has the best reason for breaking marriage vows, is there?
Peace.
masculine_monica_nyc: I see that Tennessee won tonight. And I am a person without a team, on account of I can't stand Bretttttt Faaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaavre, and he's now a Jet. That shit ain't right.
I didn't even know it was on TV until the end of the 3rd Q.
By then, the Titans were far enough ahead it didn't seem right to pay attention.
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If, before the primaries began Edwards held a press conference, apologized to his wife for hurting her, owned up, etc
By all means, don't let's forget the ritual public humiliation of the wife.
Gymnastics blows my mind. I could never even do a damn cartwheel.
The men are actually human-shaped, if steroidal, gummy bears.
Bob Costas: You have to be smart to be a fencer, apparently.
Yes, Bob. That's why fencing is called "chess with swords".
Clancy, as I'm a happily married woman, I'll just love you from afar.
I do, however, have a soft spot for curmudgeons. I must; I married one
Sallyh, Grandmere Poissonniere
Goodnight, Ms. Sally
I shall look upon you as the sun, Madam, whose radiant warmth I bask in from afar. And take a real bath once a week from here on out.
camelot: gambling addiction is a wicked tough one. There are those who like the disease model, where it's nobody's fault,a nd you support 'em, Gamblers' Anonymous and like that. Then there's the, well, he's just a son of a bitch model. One, of course, hardly excludes the other.
And 'forgiveness', like that other contemporary emotional chimera, 'closure', isn't always easy to find in the world, or in, or even of, oneself...
Rielle's family demanding Breck Girl paternity test--may they drive litigation up the NC ambulance chaser's fundament: it's called alimony, Breck Girl
Lubyanka
Alimony, of course, goes to the wife.
Can you really be this stupid, and live?
Gymnastics blows my mind. I could never even do a damn cartwheel.
Tralfaz | 08.10.08 - 12:01 am | #
Both daughters competed in a league, one went to states, one to nationals. I know more about gymnastics than I ever wanted to, and remember, if you pick your wedge you lose and entire point. Harsh.
And take a real bath once a week from here on out.
Clancy at the Bar
...whether you need it or not.
[Sorry, I can't resist even an old joke.]
domidildo:
go outside, attach electrodes to your buttocks, wave your arms wildly while screaming "I Love Messiah Obama-Flator" and see if you can light that CFL in the window...
for the planet, asshole!
the notion that cute energy ideas from a small, homogenous country like Denmark should apply to a massive, spread-out economy like America's is absurd, and therefore totally leftist
Funny that. We got most of our great ideas on our republican form of government from a tiny little city state in ancient Greece.
Can you really be this stupid, and live?
He meant to mischaracterize "friend of the court." Or "double indemnity." Or "objection."
I didn't even know it was on TV until the end of the 3rd Q.
By then, the Titans were far enough ahead it didn't seem right to pay attention.
That sounds about right.
Harsh.
camelot, party unity dammit
I think that was more than I needed to know.
...whether you need it or not.
[Sorry, I can't resist even an old joke.]
Uncle Smokes
Trust me. I need it.
The men are actually human-shaped, if steroidal, gummy bears.
masculine_monica_nyc
I remember from a grade school book report that Mark Spitz was double jointed in all his joints, and had finger webs much larger than is typical. He was kind of a mutant X-man swimming machine.
Bob Costas: You have to be smart to be a fencer, apparently.
Only if you like being able to see.
Can you really be this stupid, and live?
I count three of them tonight. Maybe four.
I wonder if you were wearing one of those fencing lamés and got hit with a taser if the lamé would act like a faraday cage and fry the taser...
masculine_monica_nyc: That sounds about right.
By that time, you're down to mostly guys who will get cut, and may go on to great thangs with other teams.
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what do you think they do with all their free time. not 'charity.'
chicago dyke, one w/simels |
certainly not if it were me. i'd do shit that would make HST blanch.
and just so i'm not misperceived the stuff k and y linked to was pretty cheesy, but i actually really do love pictures. that is the beauty of the net, lots of pictures.
camelot: gambling addiction is a wicked tough one. There are those who like the disease model, where it's nobody's fault,a nd you support 'em, Gamblers' Anonymous and like that. Then there's the, well, he's just a son of a bitch model. One, of course, hardly excludes the other.
And 'forgiveness', like that other contemporary emotional chimera, 'closure', isn't always easy to find in the world, or in, or even of, oneself...
ProfWombat
Sorry, but I'm not sure I believe in addiction at all. I think we're at the very earliest stages of studying it, and once we learn more, we may discover that people just do stuff that gives them pleasure. Even when it has bad consequences.
The rats (I think it was a rat model) would self-stimulate till they starved to death. Addiction, or maybe just access to pure pleasure?
What we're really talking about is the inability of the intellect to overrule our feelings: we're animals, after all.
So it goes.
I like OpenLeft's maps (paul rosenberg's latest analysis is fucking brilliant) but here isPollster.com's latest electoral map, with Obama at 284 and Songbird at 157.
schweeeet.
Funny that. We got most of our great ideas on our republican form of government from a tiny little city state in ancient Greece.
Oh, and from Montaigne, that Frenchy guy....
Nearing all-out sheets.
domidildo:
go outside, attach electrodes to your buttocks, wave your arms wildly while screaming "I Love Messiah Obama-Flator" and see if you can light that CFL in the window...
for the planet, asshole!
Lubyanka | 08.10.08 - 12:07 am
Jesus. Someone's been hitting the tequila tonight [angry drunk.]
certainly not if it were me. i'd do shit that would make HST blanch.
You are Steely Dan's Kinky Charley!
Chemist E. H. Bronner maintained that Spitz was a prophet. He is mentioned in Bronner's fifth MORAL ABC which appears on each bottle of Dr. Bronner's Magic Soap.
Whatever unites mankind is better than whatever divides us! Yet, if absolute-unselfish I am not for me, I'm nothing but classless raceless, starving masses, never free nor brave! Only if constructive-selfish I work hard perfecting first me, like Mark Spitz - Arctic owls - penguin - pilot - cat - swallow - beaver, bee can I teach the MORAL ABC's ALL-ONE-GOD-FAITH, that lightning-like unites the Human race! For we're ALL-ONE OR NONE! ALL-ONE! 'listen children eternal father eternally one!' EXCEPTIONS ETERNALLY? ABSOLUTE NONE![9]
Spitz has sued Dr. Bronner's over this reference.
In McCainworld, Obama is a Ruskie:
The McCain campaign is pushing back at press reports noting that his top foreign policy advisor Randy Scheuenemann has until recently worked as a lobbyist for the Georgian government, and is still a principal at his lobbying firm -- thus rendering the candidate's pronouncements on Russia's invasion of Georgia as arguably suspect.
The campaign's new line: The criticism of this apparent conflict of interest is proof that Barack Obama's campaign is "bizarrely in sync with Moscow."
http://
tpmelectioncentral.talkin...izarrely_in.php
And 'forgiveness', like that other contemporary emotional chimera, 'closure', isn't always easy to find in the world, or in, or even of, oneself...
I tried to ride the fence on this. Stupid, I know. Half of the people I know were mad because I didn't divorce him, the others because I didn't support him. I really don't care what others think, and we have no idea what the Edwards' are thinking/feeling. That is the part that is more important IMHO. Yes, he messed up, but seriously, in the scheme of things, it isn't about what a bunch of political junkies on a blog think.
In my own experience, well, I guess I have to learn to be understanding of addiction and be able to expect to be treated better at the same time. A fine line.
The most recent neurological hypothesis I've read for addiction is that there are both inhibitory and excitatory circuits involved, and that they may be the same circuits disrupted in Parkinson's disease.
The really interesting part is that there are some actual studies which support this hypothesis.
I think that was more than I needed to know.
Tralfaz | 08.10.08 - 12:09 am | #
Sorry. I thought it was funny. It is only pulling material outta your butt. Now I'm just torturing you.
i just about went nuts when they covered "don'ty bring me down"
Neko Case is God!
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