HULK SMASH!!!
Yeah
Facts Schmacts
FU Haloscan
Me curmudgeony on health care.
Of course, Wolfman had a representive from the UAW on with him to provide "balance," right?
Right???
Aw, you can prove anything with facts!
Wolf Blitzer is a lying corporate shill!???
No way!!
I don't know how much Wolfie makes an hour but I'm sure it's way too much.
I wonder what Leslie's hourly wage is. Think it's more than $73?
I get all the news I need from the weather report.
Wolf looks like a good candidate to be a Public Jackoff Guy.
From the deadthread:
I guess they will start bringing their lunch in a paper bag, wearing patched clothing, and will they speak in front of Congress, they will hold their cloth hat in their hands and look humble.
sekmet
Don't forget Tiny Tim's crutch and some smudge on their faces.
I think that little matter of CNN being forced to rehire workers who were attempting to unionize may be relevent to the conversation too.
ERin has brief gee mail.
"Facts are meaningless. You can use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true."
-- Homer J. Simpson
Those selfish bastards! How DARE they expect to be compensated with a living wage for making one of the nation's most significant remaining industry productive!
Carbonated beverage for Thumper.
I've started noticing a theme in recent Onion News Briefs
about George Bush.
http://www.theonion.com/content/
..._dragged_behind
http://www.theonion.com/content/
...ses_three_pound
http://www.theonion.com/content/
...bites_off_bushs
http://www.theonion.com/content/
...les_wildly_down
Or maybe I'm imagining one.
GravatarI'm uncomfortable with a housepet that can kill people. Gotta keep a closer eye on those cats.
B1 Bummer
I am as well. This puppy is my son's dog and I tried everything I could to dissuade him from the breed.
But I have heard from a great many people that, if well-trained, they are wonderful companions for life. Loyal, strong, and loving.
DWD-S☮S | Homepage | 12.04.08 - 12:09 pm | #
GravatarAnd, oh yeah, at Mrs DWD's and my insistence he is taking her to puppy school for training.
I will not have a mean animal with jaws that sever bones.
DWD-S☮S
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Where do we draw the line from getting federal funding from the government?
When it's my turn to get the federal funding is when the line will be drawn.
You can bet your ass on it, lady.
husb just called
screaming at tv...auto testimony
Sigh... If not for my uncuteness and my complete inability to understand the humor in Woody Allen films, I might have been a contender for ex-wife number 12.
Libby,
Not getting Woody Allen films would be a bit problematic, but a love of footrubs makes up for a lot.
Professor Wagstaff, in the spirit of these difficult economic times I'll split it with you.
I really get tired of the "Somebody Else Is Making More Money Than You Are!" news lines.
I will not have a mean animal with jaws that sever bones.
DWD-S☮S
DWD-S☮S
DWD - I haven't owned Rottweilers, but I have had Akitas, which are big dogs bred for hunting & guarding, with amazingly strong jaws and grip.
And yes, train'em early & young and you will have a fantastic pet.
im pretty sure i can identify the people who will not be getting bailouts.
A number I have not seen is how much they make per hour without including the retirees.
Thumper,
You're a pal.
Libby! Seriously? Annie Hall? Sleeper?????
Nothing?
There was a story a few years ago about a guy whose pet cobra got loose somewhere. I wonder if they ever found it?
At least we know that there haven't been job cuts at CNN's Zombie Lies Desk.
It's well-known that union autoworkers, like teachers and firemen, make slightly over $10,000 a second. I know this because Charles Gibson told me so.
Wulfie's wages...
Figure $10,000,000 semolians annually =
$200,000 per week =
@40 hours a week = $5,000 per hour!
Christ, a guy can barely buy groceries and have something left at the end of the month!
.
"balance,"
that's so 70's...our lord raygun brought into the new whirled odor
ooohhh, cnn has a new chatterbunny...
plantsman, mwah
B1 Bomber,
Most people don't realize how loyal and affectionate cobras are, especially if you train them young.
And this is my cobra, Spitty!
Does anyone take any US news show seriously?
I'll mention this again. The Rude Pundit's deconstruction of Dumbya's interview with Gibson
(which begins with Public Jackoff Guy) is teh awesome.
A mongoose could whip any cobra's ass without thinking twice.
A number I have not seen is how much they make per hour without including the retirees. - John Gillnitz
I never realized you could pay your bills with retirees - anyone know the going rate?
4,060,091 seconds to go.
mwah yerself.
V for Virginia,
I smile just thinking about "What's Up, Tiger Lily?"
Rots are awesome if they are well trained. Friend of ours had two that were the sweetest dogs you would ever meet. They have to be well socialized though or they can get out of hand. Most folks don't have the time or energy for large dogs. If you just dump them in the back yard for most of their life they go a bit crazy.
I'm thinking the carmakers should have brought along some of those huge welding robots. A little intimidation can go a long way.
Look, it's not rocket science -- this is primarily about the corporatocracy putting the stake in the heart of the entire union movement at last.
Reptiles don't have the proper areas of the brain to feel affection.
They're kind of like the Bush Family in that regard.
Does anyone take any US news show seriously?
Mike
Professional comedians.
Bail out depends on when you shower:
http://videocafe.crooksandliars....le-two-
bailouts
Maddow interview.
Rotties, like any other dog, are an absolutely fabulous breed and make great pets with proper training and firm boundaries.
Plus, Rotties are total clowns. Big lovable goofs, they are.
I smile just thinking about "What's Up, Tiger Lily?"
Professor Wagstaff
That is a remarkably funny film.
I posted this earlier today but what the hell.
An email I received:
"SOCIAL SECURITY CHANGES
It does not matter if you personally like or dislike Bush. You need to sign this petition and flood his e-mail box with e-mails that tell him that, even if the House passes this bill, he needs to veto it. It is already impossible to live on Social Security alone. If the government gives benefits to 'illegal' aliens who have never contributed, where does that leave those of us who have paid into Social Security all our working lives? As stated below, the Senate voted this week to allow 'illegal' aliens access to Social Security benefits. Attached is an opportunity to sign a petition that requires citizenship for eligibility to that social service.
Instructions are below. If you don't forward the petition and just stop it, we will lose all these names. If you do not want to sign it, please just forward it to everyone you know.
Thank you!"
I e-mailed back and said "You've sent this to the wrong person. I am not one of the 'hatin' on immigrants'
crowd. Sorry!"
Instead of bitching about this, maybe these people should bitch about illegal wars that costs billions of dollars and thousands of lives...or billions of our tax dollars being used to bail out corporations.
Portland, Oregon: Sanctuary!
Activists from several peace groups will go before the Portland City Council today seeking support for making Portland a sanctuary for military resisters -- service members who have gone AWOL to protest the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.
They hope the City Council will instruct police officers to ignore federal arrest warrants if they make a traffic stop of a soldier absent without leave.
The activists say such a stance is backed by the city's formal opposition to the Iraq war. And, they say, it's in line with the city's withdrawal from the federal Joint Terrorism Task Force as well as its policy prohibiting Portland officers from assisting U.S. immigration agents unless they need emergency backup.
http://www.oregonlive.com/
portla...ke_portlan.html
Reptiles don't have the proper areas of the brain to feel affection.
They're kind of like the Bush Family in that regard.
Gummo | 12.04.08 - 12:16 pm | #
There was this woman I dated in the 80s...
Not getting Woody Allen films would be a bit problematic, but a love of footrubs makes up for a lot.
doncjesuis, Tina Fey fan | 12.04.08 - 12:12 pm
Of course, my heart (and my feet) will always belong to you my dear.
Chairman Mullally's testimony.
(Seriously, my friends. The stock is selling for 2.80 now. I anticipate it topping off somewhere around twenty dollars within three years.
That is a bunch of positive change. It is really unfair to throw Ford in with GM and Chrysler. Ford anticipated the changes better and has a much better reputation for both quality and innovation.
t used to be that we operated regionally – European cars for Europe. Asian cars for Asia.
American cars for the U.S. market. Now we are leveraging our global assets, innovation, technology, and scale to deliver world class products for every market.
It used to be that our goal was simply to compete. Now we are absolutely committed to exceeding our customers' expectations for quality, fuel-efficiency, safety and affordability.
This is the Ford story. We are more balanced. We are more efficient. We are more global. And we are focused. In short, we are on the right path to becoming a profitable, growing company.
Ford's cars from Europe, the KA and the FIESTA are coming in the next year or so. And my European friends assure me that they are wonderful and highly regarded.
http://www.freep.com/article/200...NESS01/
81204050
V for Virginia,
I smile just thinking about "What's Up, Tiger Lily?"
Professor Wagstaff
"We're not on the map yet. But we're first on the waiting list!"
donjesuis,
Name three presidents.
And this is my cobra, Spitty!
Sold by the foot.
Sigh... If not for my uncuteness and my complete inability to understand the humor in Woody Allen films, I might have been a contender for ex-wife number 12.
Libby,
Number 12?
Please, baby -- I'm NOT from Havana.
Now, I thought GM's CEO was very reasonable. $ 1 annual salary.
It's a start.
Just draft a reasonable plan and hold them accountable. Focus on green business model. And give them the mother fucking cash. I say this as an unemployed woman just came to my front door to deliver the Yellow Book.
Broke my heart. My ex-husband did that a couple of years ago, too, to make cash in between jobs. He will do anything to make money, because he's desperate. He collected signatures for the medical marijuana petition here. He got $ 4/signature.
One in ten people are unemployed here. One. in. Ten. And those are only the ones they actually count.
Rotties, like any other dog, are an absolutely fabulous breed and make great pets with proper training and firm boundaries.
Plus, Rotties are total clowns. Big lovable goofs, they are.
Jubilation T. Cornpone
My son's now former girlfriend's uncle had a Rottie named Brownie. She was a sweetie who was completely happy to be bossed around by the Chinese Crested who lived with her.
Brownie died in her sleep at age 13. Everyone who had the privilege of knowing this sweet dog still misses her terribly.
There are a group of friars in New York State that breed Alsatians that wrote a book on peacefully raising a peaceable pup. It makes sense.
Polite Conservatives Loev free Expression/Women
"TENNENT: Well, she said -- oh, she said, "An artist doesn't always get this kind of attention." This is the artist speaking.
QUINN: Yeah, 'cause they're hardly ever that stupid.
TENNENT: Plus, like, you're weird. Like, now I'm starting to think that there's something really wrong with you. That's the attention you're getting right now, sweetie. She said, "It took on a life of its own, obviously. In a way, I'm speechless." Good, stay that way. Don't talk.
QUINN: That's right, don't talk. Shut up, bitch.
TENNENT: She said, "It's disappointing that I won't get to see it on the tree." And did you think you would?
QUINN: Yeah, you know, I'll tell you what. There's -- there's always Photoshop. You know, you could take a picture of it and --
TENNENT: She's an artist. She can figure all of that out, right?
QUIINN: Sure. Take a picture of the White House tree, put your little ball on it --
TENNENT: Yeah.
take in the heart of the entire union movement
Looks like it gonna work too:
U.A.W. Makes Concessions to Help Automakers
Name three presidents.
Professor Wagstaff
ooops -- laundry needs to get to the dryer.
Back momentarily...
DWD-S☮S | Homepage | 12.04.08 - 12:18 pm
DWD, I generally agree that Ford is in better shape -
But due to supplier issues, if GM and/or Pentastar goes belly-up, Ford's gonna be in a globe of hurt.
$ 1 annual salary.
Does that include his bonus?
Libby! Seriously? Annie Hall? Sleeper?????
Oh yeah. I forgot about Annie Hall. I loved that one. I'm not sure I ever saw Sleeper. I've led a odd life.
But basically I have a seriously warped sense of humor. I laugh when no one else does and don't get the joke half the time when everyone else is rolling on the floor.
Oh? And the bossy Chinese Crested, Spike?
He moped around for a month, looking for Brownie. Wouldn't eat.
They had to get him another friend, a Doberman named Chester.
Rots are awesome if they are well trained. Friend of ours had two that were the sweetest dogs you would ever meet. They have to be well socialized though or they can get out of hand. Most folks don't have the time or energy for large dogs. If you just dump them in the back yard for most of their life they go a bit crazy.
John Gillnitz
Not this one: she has taken a liking to the big, overstuffed leather chair that I occupy when I am not here. I will try for a picture but the chair is nearly the same color. (I had to bribe her off it one night. She has this weakness - she will do ANYTHING for a "Scooby Snack."
Not getting Woody Allen films would be a bit problematic, but a love of footrubs makes up for a lot.
doncjesuis, Tina Fey fan | 12.04.08 - 12:12 pm |
I loved Love and Death.
Haven't really seen anything else of his.
'illegal' aliens
can someone call Kang or Kodos and have them beam up all the illegal aliens?
Wow, olexicon. That is a whole lot of classy, right there. Is that teevee or radio morons?
DWD-S☮S
I hope you are right. I have some F stock.
Yeah, and I make a $1 million a day when you factor in all the benefits
I'm getting from our having conquered Iraq.
salary is usually the least valuable part of an executives compensation. although he is probably taking stock, which is equally less valuable at this point i guess.
Mme. Wagstaff has scars on her arm from an unprovoked attack by one of my SIL's wouldn't-hurt-a-fly Rottweilers in July. We are not entering that house again while the brutes still live.
(gets "It's a Ford....it's a Festiva!" earworm.)
Libby! Seriously? Annie Hall? Sleeper?????
Love and Death.
Wow, olexicon. That is a whole lot of classy, right there. Is that teevee or radio morons?
Jubilation T. Cornpone
Radio Douche-Trees
no bonuses at ford for the next 2 years.
http://www.upi.com/news/issueoft...30781228321485/
Obama receives CFR-Brookings marching orders:
Continue to soften up Mideast for domination by "spreading democracy" — nations must be broken up and violently balkanized, cultures and societies destroyed by way of bunker-buster and depleted uranium diplomacy.
Israel will remain a proxy outpost in this effort.
He got $ 4/signature.
And a nickle bag on Fridays.
I'm sure Wolf heads down to the local free clinic for his medical problems, of course.
Goddam I get so tick and tired of guys with gold fucking plated health care plans talking about how other people have too much insurance.
Libby, : Sigh... If not for my uncuteness and my complete inability to understand the humor in Woody Allen films, I might have been a contender for ex-wife number 12.
Neither of those are deal breakers. Allen hasn't been funny since Bananas.
How do you feel about nightclubs and Star Trek?
~
from below:
CNN also announced that its longtime correspondent Miles O’Brien would soon depart in a shutdown of its science-and-technology unit.
comrade nona | 12.04.08 - 11:56 am | # [kill][hide comment]
This will free up $$$ to staff up their Religious Issues unit...
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Radio Douche-Trees
/band name
I've led a odd life.
Like SoBe, it's probably 1000x more exciting than mine.
But basically I have a seriously warped sense of humor. I laugh when no one else does and don't get the joke half the time when everyone else is rolling on the floor.
Libby,
You can come sit by me.
If congress passed a law saying that any and all immigrants are welcome from countries the US bombs, would we have a) lots of immigrants, or b) peace ?
If you just dump them in the back yard for most of their life they go a bit crazy.
John Gillnitz
If you do that to ANY dog, they will go crazy.
Rottweilers
Hitler used them to patrol his grounds at Berk's Garden, so I wouldn't put too much faith in them.
Yet, we are still talking about this shit. When is someone on TV going to correct the media?
Hey, CNN got out of the news business a long, long time ago. About the time Charles Jayko (sp?) left, I think.
Radio Douche-Trees
/band name
Tlazolteotl
Or an old REM song
"Radio Douche-Tree Europe"
The broker I used could not purchase stock under $1 but if yours will: please take a look at Visteon Corporation.
The Ford Motor Company split them off several years ago and they are their main supplier.
Selling for around fifty cents a share I anticipate, within three years, the stock going for from 5 to 8 dollars a share. (Another sterling opportunity)
The Houston Chron has an article today about how somebody's lawsuit regarding Obama's birth certificate is being considered by the Supremes. The comments are full of people who still don't believe he's a citizen.
i have seen no credible evidence that the USA bombs any innocent people.
Irish wolfhounds are famously peaceful; the story is they're bred not to intervene when their master and his brother, both in their cups, fall to fisticuffs.
Irish wolfhounds are famously peaceful; the story is they're bred not to intervene when their master and his brother, both in their cups, fall to fisticuffs.
I want some figgy pudding.
Death to USrael | 12.04.08 - 12:23 pm
Dude, do us a favor and head over to Stormfront?
They're more your kind of people over there.
I agree with DWD on Ford. I think GM is so far in the hole they have to file for bankruptcy. $60 billion of red in just two months is a lot of cash. Chrysler can be broken up and sold off. That leaves Ford standing.
Would the car companies still need a bailout if not for the health care commitments?
MLS RIL,
I went to college with C.D. Jaco. What's he up to anymore.
The Houston Chron has an article today about how somebody's lawsuit regarding Obama's birth certificate is being considered by the Supremes. The comments are full of people who still don't believe he's a citizen.
Jubilation T. Cornpone
Yes, god Bless that Clarence Thomas
If you just dump them in the back yard for most of their life they go a bit crazy.
I saw this done to a really spirited Norwegian Elkhound once. He needed much more room to explore.
Number 12?
Please, baby -- I'm NOT from Havana.
steve simels | Homepage | 12.04.08 - 12:19 pm
Oh was I aiming too high?
how is the SC "considering the issue" where there is no case before them?
gold fucking plated health care plans
i doubt it, they typically get the cheapest to cover catastrophic and pay for everything else; they are ilionaires, it ain't shit to them. it's the poorest who need the best coverage, cause they can't pay teh deductibles
The comments are full of people who still don't believe he's a citizen.
Jubilation T. Cornpone
That's the branch the wingnuts are clinging to. Many of them are in the bargaining phase.
Would the car companies still need a bailout if not for the health care commitments?
"That's just crazy talk."
-- American punditry
Irish wolfhounds are famously peaceful; the story is they're bred not to intervene when their master and his brother, both in their cups, fall to fisticuffs.
strawhat, remembering Felix
Ex brother in law had one (not the one with the Shiba). Dog's name was Rory.
Problem is with those wonderful big dogs is that they don't live long. Rory died at age 8.
Too bad Kulongoski didn't have a US auto manufacturer he could go to:
SHENZHEN, China -- In this far corner of China's manufacturing heartland, Gov. Ted Kulongoski's dream of making Oregon home to America's green car movement is about to roll off the assembly lines.
At BYD Auto Co., China's fast-growing automotive star, a plug-in electric hybrid sedan is just weeks from meeting millions of Chinese consumers. The F3DM, which runs up to 80 miles on a single charge and packs a 7-gallon tank, will probably launch in the United States by 2010.
Kulongoski, who clinched a deal last week to bring Nissan's pure-electric cars to Oregon, is vying for BYD's bid for a North American pilot site. On Friday, he met with BYD President and Chairman Wang Chuanfu at the company's mammoth headquarters nearly two hours from China's booming industrial zone.
http://www.oregonlive.com/
busine...o_bring_ch.html
$60 billion of red in just two months is a lot of cash.
I think you're off by a factor of 10, fyi. I think it's 6, not 60.
Does teh Obama Birth Certificate ebing heard by teh Supremes make the Bush/Gore decision null and void?
DWD, Visteon has made some stupid business decisions over recent years.
There was a time there where they thought they could strong arm their way into the public seating business. However, they didn't know how to play in that market, and the product was shit. They lost their ass on that venture.
Hitler used them to patrol his grounds at Berk's Garden, so I wouldn't put too much faith in them.
Lime Rickey
Some Germans were Nazis; does that mean we shouldn't trust any Germans, ever?
Sorry, I have big dogs that are "scary" breeds and I get riled up when people lump all of them together. Personality traits and upbringing vary by dog, they're not all the same.
Dec. 4 (Bloomberg) -- General Motors Corp. and Chrysler LLC executives are considering accepting a pre-arranged bankruptcy as the last-resort price of getting a multibillion-dollar government bailout, said a person familiar with their internal discussions.
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/
ne...id=a8NiLMoTo1v8
Hitler used them to patrol his grounds at Berk's Garden, so I wouldn't put too much faith in them.
Lime Rickey
But the Obamas don't even have a dog yet. Oh, you said Hitler. My (understandable) mistake.
Kulongoski, who clinched a deal last week to bring Nissan's pure-electric cars to Oregon,
Double bonus here is that it's good for workers at the Port of Portland, assuming they dock here and not Washington or Long Beach.
MLS RIL,
I have mentioned this before, but Greg Pallast was also at Chicago when I was. He was a hippie aesthete those days, with no apparent interest in either politics or journalism.
how is the SC "considering the issue" where there is no case before them?
euphronius Jenkins
Clarence Thomas being an assclown?
i have seen no credible evidence that the USA bombs any innocent people.
euphronius Jenkins | 12.04.08 - 12:25 pm | #
r u serious?
Hard sauce!
Yes, god Bless that Clarence Thomas
olexicon, Poochie
Bush I deserves to rot in hell just for inflecting that asshole on America.
Replacing the brilliant Thurgood Marshall with that moron is like replacing filet mignon with dog shit.
Death to USrael | 12.04.08 - 12:23 pm | # [kill][hide comment]
That's right! Israel must NOT be allowed to defend itself against missiles attacks! Those jooos should sit there and take it!!!
Asshole. Try reading the article.
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MLB Wagstaff,
I don't know. I just remember him ducking SCUD missiles at Gulf War I.
There are a group of friars in New York State that breed Alsatians that wrote a book on peacefully raising a peaceable pup. It makes sense.
plantsman
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The comments are full of people who still don't believe he's a citizen.
Let them have their fun. It gives them something to do. Better then doing something constructive like getting ready for 2010.
thomas should be impeached then.
the SC can not give advisory opinions.
Er, am I missing something with the Obama birth thing? He was born to an American citizen, right? Therefore does it even matter where he was born? if my wife is pregnant and gives birth unexpectedly in Canada, is our kid not American? WTF?
MLB Wagstaff,
I have a bias against Pallast. He jerked a friend of mine around on a book project for a long while. I also think he's a bit hyperbolic.
The wackjobs need a conspiracy to keep the base riled up. Also, there's gold in them thar wingnuts. You can write a book, produce a video, or sell t-shirts. It's pathetic but that is what these losers have been reduced to.
Try reading the article.
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MasterD, damn yankee
Trollz don't reed gud.
My aunt's enormous doberman was a very sweet doggy. Scary as hell until she started trying to lick.
Anti-semitism and facts don't mix.
How long until the airlines come begging for a bailout? How many times have we bailed those asshats out already?
"make[] $73 an hour, on average, when you factor in all the benefits"
Even if this were true, one can't exactly buy milk or heating oil with 'benefits.'
does that mean we shouldn't trust any Germans, ever?
My Borg's current cleaning lady is German and pretty, but married to someone who is not me which makes her a little suspect in my view.
The Houston Chron has an article today about how somebody's lawsuit regarding Obama's birth certificate is being considered by the Supremes.
Technically, they are only considering whether or not to grant them a hearing. Many cases request review, only a handful (1%) actually get a review. Most die in Friday conferences such as this case will receive tomorrow. This one will likely die tomorrow and is only getting news because Thomas requested it be considered rather than the Chief.
MLS RIL,
Shortly after he returned from Kuwait was the last time I spoke to him. CNN dumped him about the same time my GF dumped me. No justice.
My friend's pitbull, Xena the Warrior Princess is the sweetest dog ever.
Barack Obama was born to an American mother.
In Hawaii.
In 1961, Hawaii was a state.
End of argument.
Get...the...fuck...over...it, rightards!
how is the SC "considering the issue" where there is no case before them?
euphronius Jenkins
I think it's in the pot of cases to be considered and will not actually be taken, but the wingers are all in a tizzy over it.
The wackjobs need a conspiracy to keep the base riled up. Also, there's gold in them thar wingnuts. You can write a book, produce a video, or sell t-shirts. It's pathetic but that is what these losers have been reduced to.
sekmet
See the years 1991-2000
My friend's pitbull, Xena the Warrior Princess is the sweetest dog ever.
cosmosis-elect
Love that name.
i did not know there was a case upon which a writ of certiorari was based. my bad.
MLS RIL,
No quarrel from me on Pallast's style or character, but he does come up with some amazing stuff.
Or an old REM song
Heh. I was thinking a Radiohead parody band.
MLS RIL,
I have mentioned this before, but Greg Pallast was also at Chicago when I was. He was a hippie aesthete those days, with no apparent interest in either politics or journalism.
Professor Wagstaff | 12.04.08 - 12:28 pm | #
Well I'll be damned.
Amazing.
In 1961, Hawaii was a state.
Unlike that Panamanian, Juan McCain.
The meanest dog I've ever met was a Yorkie. He literally ruled his house and god help you if you denied him anything. He was not a sweet dog as his owners had spoiled him rotten.
He used to try and escape the house to attack the vultures that warmed themselves on the fence posts. Of course they would have LOVED it if he had escaped... Yorkshire Pie ala Terrier.
CNN dumped him about the same time my GF dumped me.
MLB Wagstaff,
Them dumping him is about the time the whole thing went to shit as I recall. I remember being on a stairmaster in the gym and reading a "BREAKING NEWS!" chryon (sp?) that said, "Holiday shoppers jam malls" and looking at the guy next to me as if to say, "WTF?" and him saying, "Yeah, CNN got out of the news biz a long, long time ago."
I never watch CNN.
Anti-semitism and facts don't mix.
Gummo
Any kind of bigotry and/or racism and facts don't mix.
Heh. I was thinking a Radiohead parody band.
Tlazolteotl
"Fake Plastic Douche Trees"
The ranch is being dumped
Statement by Press Secretary Sally Mcdonough
The President and Mrs. Bush have purchased a home in the Preston Hollow neighborhood in Dallas, Texas, where they will live after the President leaves office in January 2009. They will continue to spend time at Prairie Chapel Ranch in Crawford, Texas.
The President and Mrs. Bush do not have occupancy of the home, and therefore, no additional details will be provided.
The Bushes previously lived in Dallas from December 1988 through January 1995, before moving to the Texas Governor's Mansion in Austin, Texas.
I just watched Bananas last night on Netflix instant. It had more laugh-out-loud moments than I was expecting.
1) Buy Bush Ranch
2) convert to hippie Commune
did CNN report the hourly wages for Wall Street bankers and day traders ?
Interactive US Map: Where the auto jobs are
In Michigan alone, a quarter million people work in the auto industry, and the annual wages paid to Michiganders in the auto industry is $ 15.75 BILLION. There are over 130,600 people who work in parts; which is to say that the bail out affects many more people than just those who are employed by the Detroit Three.
Yes, during the same period the Cheneys lived in Dallas.
Has BHO named a press secy yet?
1) Buy Bush Ranch
2) convert to hippie Commune
olexicon, Poochie
I ain't building shit on that site until the scary dwarf-woman from Poltergeist checks it out and gives it the all-clear.
Robert Gibbs will be press sec.
Tlaz did you get your macbook?
Anti-semitism and facts don't mix.
Gummo
Gindy:
My daughter has only been bitten by a dog once in her entire life. It was by a Cocker Spaniel.
When we lived in Philadelphia, the neighbor two doors down had a Yorkie named Buttons. The dog was psychotic. Bit everyone. Even his owner and her mother.
When the neighbor died of breast cancer, no one wanted the little monster. He had to euthanized. The Yorkie rescue groups wouldn't take him.
Yes, Robert Gibbs; the man who smacked down Sean Hannity.
GravatarHas BHO named a press secy yet?
res ipsa loquitur |
Yes - his campaign spokesperson is taking the job.
Er, am I missing something with the Obama birth thing? He was born to an American citizen, right?
I think the hangup is that Obama has not personally brought his birth certificate to the house of each and every wingnut so they can inspect the kerning.
I never watch CNN.
res ipsa loquitur
If you mute the sound and just check the crawl, it's almost bearable.
That is, if an Internet source is not readily available.
I think you're off by a factor of 10, fyi. I think it's 6, not 60.
I think you are right. The toobs say their burn rate is about $10 billion a month. However ,they have a $50 billion liability for retirees and took a loss of $39 billion in third quarter 2007.
'Five more suits, all later dismissed, were filed in Hawaii by a person who is currently suing the "Peoples Association of Human, Animals Conceived God/s and Religions, John McCain (and) USA Govt." The plaintiff previously sought to sue Wikipedia and "All News Media."'
Has BHO named a press secy yet?
res ipsa loquitur
Fella from Alabama, I think.
He was the guy who dealt with the press on the campaign trail.
Robert Gibbs will be press sec.
Really?!
I have a little crush on Robert Gibbs. I don't know if this is because most of the time he was on Scarborough he appeared to be very bemused by Joe's bullshit.
Future home of the Crawford Sewer Farm.
Robert Gibbs is the press secretary. A vast improvement over the previous slightly pudgy Alabaman who worked in the White House.
I ain't building shit on that site until the scary dwarf-woman from Poltergeist checks it out and gives it the all-clear.
dan mcenroe with benefits
I figure salting the earth after a Pagan Animal Sacrifice might do the trick
Has BHO named a press secy yet?
res ipsa loquitur | Homepage | 12.04.08 - 12:35 pm | # [ki
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yes. George Stephanoplous.
Yes, Robert Gibbs; the man who smacked down Sean Hannity.
This is missed (b/c I can't bear Hannity), but I might have to suffer Hannity to see it. YouTube?
Has BHO named a press secy yet?
Robert Gibbs. Weeks ago.
Cliff Schecter
And a thorough sprinkling with holy water.
And a thorough sprinkling with holy water.
I think the hangup is that Obama has not personally brought his birth certificate to the house of each and every wingnut so they can inspect the kerning.
Jubilation T. Cornpone
The "hangup" is Obama's WWB.
(Winning While Black)
"When the neighbor died of breast cancer, no one wanted the little monster."
That is rather sad, but it seems to be part of that breeds make up. We have a set of those up the hill. And then there are the killer lab pack that the swine vet owns.
The only house kept dogs are mine and the Yorkie. Mine because I love them and the Yorkie because it is dangerous to leave fast things with sharp teeth outside where kids play.
As Michael Moore said on Larry King's show last night, let's help the auto industry but after that "we own their ass." As such, they should be forced to make the cars we need and want, like the Chinese electric cars that Oregon wants to import/build.
Yes, Robert Gibbs; the man who smacked down Sean Hannity.
Good man!
The plaintiff previously sought to sue Wikipedia and "All News Media."'
sekmet
Written as
"TEH LIBERAL MSM IS TEH SUXXOIR"
Vicki, Who ♥ Al Gore
My guess is that the morons in the Congress have no idea of how important the auto industry is.
Now Cliff Schecter would be funny as hell. I wish someone would name Cliff Schecter to something where he got to kick the shit out of the press on a regular basis.
Dick Morris:I’m glad we [the GOP] didn’t win [the 2008 election] because what’s been set in motion is so bad, were going 2 need someone else 2 take responsibility
Its unbelievable what kind of attitude the GOP is displaying. This party is solemnly busy to display their corrupt, obscene, brazen attitude and fuck now they're even proud of it to loose for it. Axe it!
http://ccoaler.blogspot.com/2008...8-
election.html
The brothers in DC would lynch Hambone Thomas if he prevented BHO from taking office. I would happily offer my assistance.
This one will likely die tomorrow and is only getting news because Thomas requested it be considered rather than the Chief.
Snow (D-SC)
Wasn't following this distraction closely but I'd guess that could have been guessed at.
How many small businesses could unemployed auto workers start with $25 billion?
Has BHO named a press secy yet?
Robert Gibbs, I believe.
did CNN report the hourly wages for Wall Street bankers and day traders ?
focus, ready to go
It is odd. The GOP has devalued and scapegoated labor, particularly unionized labor, to the point that a good paying manufacturing job is perceived as deeply evil while the guy that churns your IRA is a modern day hero.
How shocking.
Leslie Blitzer doesn't know what he's talking about.
Who could ever have imagined that?
The brothers in DC would lynch Hambone Thomas if he prevented BHO from taking office. I would happily offer my assistance.
Professor Wagstaff
If the Supremes overturn yet another Democratic victory for President, it's war.
Gindy:
On the other hand, there were folks living across the street from my Mom who had a Yorkie.
They got him from a breeder at a bargain price because he was "too big" for the breed standard.
His name was Freeway. He LOVED kids and other animals.
I think Buttons was inbred. He was not only psychotic he was ugly.
How do you feel about nightclubs and Star Trek?
I'm willing to confess to once being a hopeless Trekkie. Kind of lost interest once they got to the Voyager series though. Just wasn't doing it for me.
I still love the original the best. Kirk was such a good DFH.
It is odd. The GOP has devalued and scapegoated labor, particularly unionized labor, to the point that a good paying manufacturing job is perceived as deeply evil while the guy that churns your IRA is a modern day hero.
Falstaff | 12.04.08 - 12:40 pm | # [kill][hide co
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that has been the SOP for at least 250 years.
they used to enslave the workers. so i guess it is getting a little better.
Er, am I missing something with the Obama birth thing? He was born to an American citizen, right? Therefore does it even matter where he was born? if my wife is pregnant and gives birth unexpectedly in Canada, is our kid not American? WTF?
Dave J. | 12.04.08 - 12:30 pm |
You child is only an American if you are Republicans.
I really do think there should be some sort of ritual purification of the WH on January 20. Perhaps some Native American tribes could be asked to do so? The bad karma of the last 8 years soaks into the walls and the very air.
When I moved into a very old, spooky big house in 1998, the son of the previous owner bagpiped his family out, and I sprinkled salt and placed bread in all the rooms to induce the house to welcome us.
Worked fine until the divorce in 2004.
That Thomas put it on the docket for tomorrow is rare but not strange, unusual or improper.
Unless he is not the justice assigned to the circuit from whence this case came.
Well, shit:
Gov. Gen. Michaëlle Jean has granted a request from Stephen Harper to suspend Parliament until late next month, the prime minister announced on Thursday, a move that avoids a confidence vote set for Monday that could have toppled his minority government.
My guess is that the morons in the Congress have no idea of how important the auto industry is.
Undoubtedly. Obviously, Michigan is "ground zero" for the auto industry, but California is No. 2, and Ohio is No. 3, and those economies will be impacted, as well as pretty much every state in the union.
Hell, I did not know this, but Arizona is No. 20 on the list, with 35,000 auto jobs and 370 million dollars in annual wages from the auto industry.
My 5.58 YO laughs whenever he sees a Yorkie.
Billions for crap equities traders and not crap for something that actually makes stuff still. Really, the whole jet thing was obnoxious, and the CEOs are dickheads. But is that enough reason to let the auto industry die? Uh, no.
There are always good and bad in a breed. That's why doing research and making sure of where you know what you are getting into. That said, the best dogs we've ever had have been mutts. Outside of Loki, the Swissie, we have always had mutts. Loki is exactly true to his breed standard... big. lovable and DUMB. But that's what makes him who he is.
Sandwich #1 was cheese and hot pepper jelly on a whole wheat roll. #2 is cheese, cream cheese and sliced olives on Italian bread.
they cant overturn it. all they could do is instruct the district court to go ahead with the "law suit" or whatever.
the Obama birth thing? He was born to an American citizen, right? Therefore does it even matter where he was born?
fax shmax. see: current post title
but I might have to suffer Hannity to see it. YouTube?
res ipsa loquitur
Oh yes do in this case. It's instructive.
The brothers in DC would lynch Hambone Thomas if he prevented BHO from taking office. I would happily offer my assistance.
Professor Wagstaff
If the Supremes overturn yet another Democratic victory for President, it's war.
Anthony McCarthy
Hey, I'M there.
And I don't want to hear any shit about Blackwater.
There are only SO many of them.
Samuel Alito, Wanker of the Day:
At a gala dinner hosted by the American Spectator on Wednesday, Supreme Court Justice Samuel A. Alito Jr. cracked wise at Vice President-elect Joe Biden's expense, raising the Delaware senator's past brushes with academic dishonesty, to the delight of his conservative audience.
Recalling an incident in which an article he submitted to the Spectator was rejected for publication, Alito began by joking that his unpublished piece had detailed how he would vote on the most controversial issues facing the Supreme Court.
Then — in the process of suggesting things had turned out well for him despite this rejection — Alito trained his sights on Barack Obama’s running mate.
"To coin a phrase, in the spirit of the vice president-elect," Alito began, "you can't always get what you want, but you get what you need."
Alito paused before continuing: "Did somebody say that before?"
I just finished Dune Messiah. Turns out Obama is a weirding word. And Matrix 3 totally ripped off its ending.
Obama's birth certificate is the new black helicopter.
Has BHO named a press secy yet?
Robert Gibbs, I believe.
ThinlyVeiled | 12.04.08 - 12:40 pm
The Bee-Gees?
and so the case will go forward and you get the HI sec state to testify that obama was born in HI and the case is over and we wasted a lot of time and money.
Lots of people worked in textile mills in this country, too, at one point. I mean I'm not a stone-cold BK proponent but life would go on.
The power of Elvis compels you! Out, evil spirits!
Can we count on Congress to be craven, stupid and self-righteous and to refuse aid to Detroit?
Time to make Mrs. Alito Cry again
Loki is exactly true to his breed standard... big. lovable and DUMB. But that's what makes him who he is.
Gindy
Swissies are gorgeous.
Big old loveable bears.
The meanest dog I've ever met was a Yorkie.
That gay Republican I used to know got bit in the face by a Yorkie once. It took a couple of stiches to sew his lip back on.
they cant overturn it. all they could do is instruct the district court to go ahead with the "law suit" or whatever.
euphronius Jenkins
Well, until 2000 I didn't think they could hand the loser of their party the presidency either.
If anything prevents the winner of the election from taking the office, it's war. And I mean it.
Joining the pack, Blitzer falsely claimed union autoworkers "make[] $73 an hour, on average, when you factor in all the benefits"
Hey Atrios, Erin Burnett said the exact same thing on Morning Joe this morning.
they used to enslave the workers. so i guess it is getting a little better.
euphronius Jenkin
I am old enough to remember when the labor unions were widely respected, and people used to 'check for the union label' and people on both sides used to admonish us to 'buy American'.
"I really do think there should be some sort of ritual purification of the WH on January 20."
Sweeping the place for bugs, chemical/biological contaminants, sabotage devices, and stay-behind suicide troops should suffice.
Can we count on Congress to be craven, stupid and self-righteous and to refuse aid to Detroit?
Professor Wagstaff
Probably?
Can we count on Congress to be craven, stupid and self-righteous and to refuse aid to Detroit?
Right now, it ain't looking good (reading the NYT live blog).
and perhaps snow can fill in here but i am not aware of any theory of standing that the plaintiff could possible use to get a case in court.
the Obama birth thing? He was born to an American citizen, right? Therefore does it even matter where he was born?
It shouldn't, but it's a Constitutional gray area to some folks. They passed an act of Congress to clarify McCain's eligibility.
So what happens if the auto makers get the money and nobody buys their cars?What then?Another bailout?
The wingnuts wanna see the "vault copy" of Obama's birth certificate. Maybe Clarence could fly to Hawaii and take a look at it.
Time to make Mrs. Alito Cry again
olexicon, Poochie
Cue the director, Mr Graham, Lindsey Graham, you're wanted on the set....
I just finished Dune Messiah. Turns out Obama is a weirding word.
John Gillnitz | 12.04.08 - 12:44 pm | #
Christ, you're right! Half my ceiling is gone...
I am old enough to remember when the labor unions were widely respected, and people used to 'check for the union label' and people on both sides used to admonish us to 'buy American'.
Falstaff | 12.04.08 - 12:45 pm | # [kill][hide comment]
momentary lapse in the aristocrats control.
Unless he is not the justice assigned to the circuit from whence this case came.
Snow (D-SC) |
In fact he's not, Souter is, and Souter already passed on it. So the guy brought it to Thomas. Someone put up a link to an article on this in an earlier thread.
what happens if the auto makers get the money and nobody buys their cars? what then?
Monorail!
they cant overturn it. all they could do is instruct the district court to go ahead with the "law suit" or whatever.
Well, that would be overturing the court's decision to dismiss the case. But they aren't going to hear it. Scalia is laughing at the idea of hearing this absurdity. And the fact that Roberts didn't submit it is very telling.
we wasted a lot of time and money.
euphronius Jenkins
Just like with the impeachment.
Cue the director, Mr Graham, Lindsey Graham, you're wanted on the set....
Anthony McCarthy
to Make Bob Fosse look like John Wayne
how did the appeal go from district court to SC anyway? the circuit court got bypassed?
I am old enough to remember when the labor unions were widely respected, and people used to 'check for the union label' and people on both sides used to admonish us to 'buy American'.
One of the problems right now is that people perceive the union as dragging the industry down in the name of preserving "Cadillac" benefits, when most people's benefits are K-car (or non-existent).
The union has a publicity problem, among other things.
Freakin' gholas.
In fact he's not, Souter is, and Souter already passed on it. So the guy brought it to Thomas. Someone put up a link to an article on this in an earlier thread.
Good lord. That's hard to believe.
Well, given the decision in 2000, I guess it's not.
Monorail!
mogwai
It did put Ogdenville and North Haverbrook on the map
Monorail!
mogwai
Forward to the 1960s.
how did the appeal go from district court to SC anyway? the circuit court got bypassed?
Wingnuts must have their day in court. At all costs.
Here's a fun poll to freep:: (scroll down to right side of page):
Bush's little bro weighing Senate run
Should former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush run for Senate?
Yes--27%
No--71%
I'm not sure.--3%
What's a weirding word?
Chimpy's buddy Stephen Harper suspends parliament rather than lose power.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/
20081...EtAI9xGyFayFz4D
So what happens if the auto makers get the money and nobody buys their cars?What then?Another bailout?
They need an oversight commission, appointed ASAP, afaic.
And they need a plan. A SMART plan. A green plan. An innovative plan. And they need to be held accountable to that plan. With oversight and a reasonable, attainable, innovative plan, they will be successful.
Wingnuts must have their day in court. At all costs.
cosmosis-elect
And after the decision is levied against them it's the "Liberal Courts legislating from the bench"
Monorail!
It worked for Springfield.
Last Nights CBS Nightly News used the $73 figure as well. Blame The Workers is in full effect.
Vicki, Who ♥ Al Gore : In Michigan alone, a quarter million people work in the auto industry, and the annual wages paid to Michiganders in the auto industry is $ 15.75 BILLION. There are over 130,600 people who work in parts; which is to say that the bail out affects many more people than just those who are employed by the Detroit Three.
Here's the problem - this failure has already happened. The only thing to do now is to outright BUY GM, nationalizing the company, putting a competent steward in charge, and try to privatize it again later.
~
Congress should just place an order for the replacement of the entire federal vehicle fleet, requiring that all vehicles be either electric or electric hybrid by, say, 2011. And then spend allocate the $100 billion a year to create the next generation power grid tied to renewable generating plants.
the circuit court got bypassed?
euphronius Jenkins
funny. circuit getting bypassed. verr funny.
/geek hat off
Here's the article on Thomas reversing Souter's rejection that was posted on the earlier thread this morning.
Scalia is laughing at the idea of hearing this absurdity.
Having Scalia laugh at you for too much of a wingnut is like the Pope laughing at you for being too Catholic.
One reason I've changed my mind and support a bailout, not that it matters, is, apart from posts here, news today that next year oil will got $50 barrel. Which is like a waving a shiny toy in front a baby.
So actually bailout request could be considered a golden, unique opportunity to change the industry and a blessing in disguise.
people on both sides used to admonish us to 'buy American'.
I think the hangup is that Obama has not personally brought his birth certificate to the house of each and every wingnut so they can inspect the kerning.
Jubilation T. Cornpone | 12.04.08 - 12:37 pm | #
He's gonna need reindeer and a sleigh for that one.
Damn, a win:
The Natural Resources Defense Council, one of the nation’s most powerful environmental groups, has managed to persuade Bank of America, one of the nation’s leading financial institutions, to take a measured stand against certain surface mining practices.
From an announcement released yesterday by the bank:
Bank of America is particularly concerned about surface mining conducted through mountain top removal in locations such as central Appalachia. We therefore will phase out financing of companies whose predominant method of extracting coal is through mountain top removal. While we acknowledge that surface mining is economically efficient and creates jobs, it can be conducted in a way that minimizes environmental impacts in certain geographies.
At the N.R.D.C.’s Switchboard blog, Rob Perks, director of the organization’s Center for Advocacy Campaigns in Washington, said the group managed to persuade Bank of America executives to visit several mountaintop mine sites in Appalachia — including Kayford Mountain, which has been laid low by mountaintop mining methods.
http://greeninc.blogs.nytimes.co...-top-mining/?
hp
Atrios, Obama must be listening to you:
Obama's Economic Stimulus Package to Hinge on Energy-Saving Goals
The Obama administration is crafing a plan that ties economic stimulus moves to energy savings, the New York Times reported today. Wrote the Times: "The details and cost of the so-called green-jobs program are still unclear, but a senior Obama aide, speaking on the condition of anonymity to discuss a work in progress, said it would probably include the weatherizing of hundreds of thousands of homes, the installation of smart meters to monitor and reduce home energy use, and billions of dollars in grants to state and local governments for mass transit and infrastructure projects."
The Obama advisor indicated that the incoming president was unwilling to wait for a climate change bill to clear Congress before moving to new energy and infrastructure spending proposals, the Times reported. Wrote the newspaper: "House and Senate supporters of a climate bill said they would continue working on legislative language but did not expect quick action on a cap-and-trade law because of the economic emergency."
EEI
And they need a plan. A SMART plan. A green plan. An innovative plan. And they need to be held accountable to that plan. With oversight and a reasonable, attainable, innovative plan, they will be successful.
Vicki, Who ♥ Al Gore | Homepage | 12.04.08 - 12:49 pm | #
I'd wager that unemployed auto workers with $25 billion in startup financing would be far far more innovative and smart and green than anything coming out of the big three.
Ok it's $46 now but you get my meaning.
Last Nights CBS Nightly News used the $73 figure as well. Blame The Workers is in full effect.
I for the life of me don't understand why the big three don't all get together and boycott just one of the networks. They'd all cut that kind of shit immediately, and if not them, then the unions.
Oh fuck. I messed up.
people on both sides used to admonish us to 'buy American'.
That was back in the days when buying American meant you were employing Americans, not simply filling the wallet of some corporate CEO while what you bought was made at a sweatshop in Mexico, China or Vietnam.
people on both sides used to admonish us to 'buy American'.
Southern Beale | Homepage | 12.04.08 - 12:50 pm | #
Yep, until Walmart (aka China) bought the US government.
Which is like a waving a shiny toy in front a baby.
Damn, you are one funny cat.
The only thing to do now is to outright BUY GM, nationalizing the company, putting a competent steward in charge, and try to privatize it again later.
~
I'm not against this idea, meander.
I think the hangup is that Obama has not personally brought his birth certificate to the house of each and every wingnut so they can inspect the kerning.
Jubilation T. Cornpone | 12.04.08 - 12:37 pm | #
He's gonna need reindeer and a sleigh for that one.
steve simels
Really? There are that many wingnuts left?
I for the life of me don't understand why the big three don't all get together and boycott just one of the networks. They'd all cut that kind of shit immediately, and if not them, then the unions.
Um, duh. They WANT people to think that their union employees are grossly overpaid and everything is the unions' fault. This is all about undermining unions.
people on both sides used to admonish us to 'buy American'.
That was back in the days when buying American meant you were employing Americans, not simply filling the wallet of some corporate CEO while what you bought was made at a sweatshop in Mexico, China or Vietnam.
What she said.
Should former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush run for Senate?
He should, like his siblings, mother, and father, eat shit and die.
Hutchison takes step toward run for Texas governor
The Associated Press - 35 minutes ago
AUSTIN
(AP) - In a move that could spark a bruising Republican primary battle
in 2010, US Sen. Kay Bailey Hutchison is taking formal steps toward a
run for Texas governor.
Oh please oh please oh please give us a split Republican ticket between her and Gov. Goodhair.
The union has a publicity problem, among other things.
This morning I decided to learn more about why the Unions are insistent on
"card check" legislation. I tried to google the subject, but all I got were right wing websites. Finally I found a post on TPM explaining (sort of) what the point was. But I never was able to discover the specific problems with "secret ballot" processes. (Other than "management threatens to fire people.")
Congress should just place an order for the replacement of the entire federal vehicle fleet, requiring that all vehicles be either electric or electric hybrid by, say, 2011.
Moe Szyslak, eiditer | Homepage | 12.04.08 - 12:50 pm | #
That might work.
It's pretty bad when they come and cut off the top of your local mountain.
The article on the Clarence Thomas thing suggests that one reason Thomas might have accepted it is because if he denied it, the guy could just keep going from justice to justice with the request, and by accepting it he just stopped that process. Essentially, for it to be dead-and-gone, you have to first accept it so that you can reject it in committee. Seems plausible.
Ann Coulter worked for Clarence Thomas. That tells you quite alot about his lack of morality or character.
How many small businesses could unemployed auto workers start with $25 billion?
Mike
And, just by chance, do you know the failure rate for new businesses?
Google it: I would tell you but it would spoil the joke although your posts seems to be either tongue-in-cheek or the mark of rank silliness.
Actually, this is not a federal case so there was no federal circuit court involved. The New Jersey Supreme Court decided the case.
Oh please oh please oh please give us a split Republican ticket between her and Gov. Goodhair.
John Gillnitz
HAIR HELMET VS HAIR HELMET FOR ULTIMATE SUPREMACY
The union has a publicity problem, among other things.
res ipsa loquitur
It is strange to me that unions get scapegoated for preserving benefits everyone else has seen evaporate working for companies that pay their CEOs tens of millions of dollars to steer the company into a snowbank.
Here's the article on Thomas reversing Souter's rejection that was posted on the earlier thread this morning.
Someone posted that last night. I haven't seen it anywhere else on the 'net and no news outlets have picked it up so I am questioning the veracity of this story.
He should, like his siblings, mother, and father, eat shit and die.
Apprentice to Darth Holden
But not until the looted money is returned to the U.S. Treasury.
The family that sold America to the Red Chinese.
Southern Beale
What she said
everything is the unions' fault. This is all about undermining unions.
so which dems are coming to their defense? you know, the dems who BEG union support to win elections? Bueller?
The article on the Clarence Thomas thing suggests that one reason Thomas might have accepted it is because if he denied it, the guy could just keep going from justice to justice with the request, and by accepting it he just stopped that process. Essentially, for it to be dead-and-gone, you have to first accept it so that you can reject it in committee. Seems plausible.
Dave J. | 12.04.08 - 12:53 pm | # [kill][hide comment]
it could be dismissed with prejudice. the guy is a freak who has already been disciplined for this nonsense.
HAIR HELMET VS HAIR HELMET FOR ULTIMATE SUPREMACY
olexicon, Poochie | 12.04.08 - 12:54 pm | #
And some clever network art wonk can do up something like the NFL has with those football helmets!
“The collapse of one or both of our domestic competitors would threaten Ford because we have 80 percent overlap in supplier networks and nearly 25 percent of Ford’s top dealers also own GM and Chrysler franchises,” Mulally said.
Well, I own a Ford, but once I owned a Chevy, so if GM goes under, I deserve some cash.
Right?
many of us predicted years ago that "the big three" were going to engineer a gov sponsored bankruptcy to fuck the unions.
It is strange to me that unions get scapegoated for preserving benefits everyone else has seen evaporate working for companies that pay their CEOs tens of millions of dollars to steer the company into a snowbank.
Don't ask me why, but my Dad, a blue collar guy most of his life, always sided with management in any labor dispute that managed to be reported on in the news.
What's a weirding word?
Something David Lynch made up because he didn't like kung fu or the Jihad in the last half of the book.
Ah well, here's another news story:
Supreme Court To Decide Obama Citizenship
And some clever network art wonk can do up something like the NFL has with those football helmets!
Gindy
(Hums Monday nighT Football intro to teams music)
This is all about undermining unions.
Southern Beale
Which is amazing to me - even with their backs against the wall, the CEOs still take the time to spread disinformation about the Unions. Hey, assholes, your company is about to GO AWAY. You should probably be focusing on that.
They never stop. Ever. Bushco is the same way. Country's in the shitter but he still finds time to issue crappy executive orders. I guess you have to admire their dedication, if nothing else.
And a thorough sprinkling with holy water.
The crown jewel of my religious icon collection is a this table top statuary thingy, not sure what you would call it. It's about a foot or so high with Jesus, Mary and Joseph inside a grotto. It has a little drawer in the back with all the necessary items to administer last rites, including a little bottle of holy water.
So I see that Harry Reid is saying that "the votes aren't there" for a bailout. Has Harry actually considered making people vote ON RECORD against a bailout for the auto industry? It might be illuminating as to which senators are cool with the idea of millions of jobs going away overnight. At the very least it would give them something to think about before casting their vote.
Or is Harry being his usual brilliant self and rushing to keep the GOP from harming themselves?
The family that sold America to the Red Chinese.
Who knows? Not me
I never lost control
You're face to face
With the Man who Sold the World
/Bowie
It is strange to me that unions get scapegoated for preserving benefits everyone else has seen evaporate working for companies that pay their CEOs tens of millions of dollars to steer the company into a snowbank.
It's strange -- but it's not surprising. Everyone is competing for resources. The union's taken good care of its people by preserving those bennies, but instead of asking for the same thing, people without feel resentment, which is just the way mgmt likes it.
This reminds me of a friend here who was involved in a court case on a rent stabilized apartment. The case made the paper and the tenants couldn't understand why they weren't getting support from the public. I told my friend, "Look, NO ONE feels sorry for you. You have a cheap apartment in Manhattan. Rich people don't believe rent stablization shoudl exist. Poor people pay as little as you, but for much shittier digs. And middle class people want what you have but are frustrated in getting it. So they resent you."
How many small businesses could unemployed auto workers start with $25 billion?
Mike
And, just by chance, do you know the failure rate for new businesses?
Google it: I would tell you but it would spoil the joke although your posts seems to be either tongue-in-cheek or the mark of rank silliness.
DWD-S☮S | Homepage | 12.04.08 - 12:53 pm | #
Oh I dunno let's say it's 90% failure rate. Fund 2,500 small businesses at $10 million start up apiece. So we end up with 250 successful small businesses producing green vehicles. Just a ballpark.
NOT EVEN TRYING TO HIDE IT
Skadden Hires Corporate-Crime Partners From Clifford Chance
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They WANT people to think that their union employees are grossly overpaid and everything is the unions' fault. This is all about undermining unions.
What she said, AGAIN.
I worked for a company who did the same damned thing. Seating industry. It fucking sucked to watch my friends go from $ 20 - $ 25/hour piece work jobs to $ 13/hour jobs with fewer benefits.
Funny thing was, the company was at about a 15% profit rate during the golden years of piece work. After that, their profitability dropped substantially, but they were hiring business school grads at an alarming rate, all of whom were trying to build a better mousetrap, and none of whom were working as a team. Very stupid and myopic, in my opinion. Whenever you here that consultants have been hired to evaluate business processes, I strongly suggest you dust off your resume/CV.
Whadda nightmare.
What I want to know is where is Andy Stern in this whole thing? Why isn't he up there fighting with his union bretheren?
Curious ...
(Hums Monday nighT Football intro to teams music)
Yes, but get rid of that abomination Hank whatshisnose who sings the opening song.
One of the idiot commentators on the latest article is now claiming that both of your parents have to be Americans. What idiocy.
Yes, but get rid of that abomination Hank whatshisnose who sings the opening song.
I feel sorry for poor old Hank Jr. It must really suck to be 10% as talented as your dad, and 25% as talented as your son.
Yes, but get rid of that abomination Hank whatshisnose who sings the opening song.
Gindy | 12.04.08 - 12:58 pm |
Isn't it Hank Williams, Jr.?
Whenever you here that consultants have been hired to evaluate business processes, I strongly suggest you dust off your resume/CV.
do you know Tom from Office Space?
Yes, but get rid of that abomination Hank whatshisnose who sings the opening song.
Gindy | 12.04.08 - 12:58 pm |
Isn't it Hank Williams, Jr.?
Brooklyn Girl, shady dame | Homepage | 12.04.08 - 1:00 pm | #
Yes the one who sang the love song to McCain and Palin.
BARF.
"Look, NO ONE feels sorry for you. You have a cheap apartment in Manhattan. Rich people don't believe rent stablization shoudl exist. Poor people pay as little as you, but for much shittier digs. And middle class people want what you have but are frustrated in getting it. So they resent you."
res ipsa loquitur
res does have a way of hitting things on the head.
It's about a foot or so high with Jesus, Mary and Joseph inside a grotto. It has a little drawer in the back with all the necessary items to administer last rites, including a little bottle of holy water.
Libby,
My mom had a crucifix with the same thing. It was from the neonatal ward of a local Catholic hospital, and the holy water was included so the staff could perform emergency baptisms for newborn infants who would otherwise be condemned to limbo if they died without being baptized.
One of the idiot commentators on the latest article is now claiming that both of your parents have to be Americans. What idiocy.
sekmet |
"Only Pure Aryans may live in the Homeland"
One of the idiot commentators on the latest article is now claiming that both of your parents have to be Americans. What idiocy.
Yeah, anchor babies are just a fiction among the right wing.
res does have a way of hitting things on the head.
They also had a publicity problem.
So we end up with 250 successful small businesses producing green vehicles. Just a ballpark.
Big 3 have infrascructure that doesn't magically appear. Just ask the electric car guy in CA with his $250K car.
One of the idiot commentators on the latest article is now claiming that both of your parents have to be Americans. What idiocy.
sekmet
I think they want riots.
I feel sorry for poor old Hank Jr. It must really suck to be 10% as talented as your dad, and 25% as talented as your son.
I despise Hank Jr's politics, but ther above ain't the case.
I feel a little awkward being overly impressed with Taylor Swift - both her music and her appearance.
She's getting to be unavoidable at the grocery store checkout. I really, REALLY hope she doesn't go Britney-Lindsay.
One of the idiot commentators on the latest article is now claiming that both of your parents have to be Americans. What idiocy.
sekmet | 12.04.08 - 12:59 pm
Fucking morons. NEITHER of them has to be a citizen. Born on American soil? You're a citizen.
From wiki: All persons born in Hawaii on or after April 30, 1900, are natural-born citizens of the United States. Hawaii was declared U.S. State on August 21, 1959.
helena the ol' handbasket : What's a weirding word?
In "Dune" (THE MOVIE), the Fremen (rebel fighters) are taught to attack using a device called a "weirding module" that translates vocal utterances into destructive bolts.
Paul, the lead character, notes that his Fremen name, "Muad'Dib" has become a "killing word" after an accidental utterance cuts through a boulder.
~
Vicki, Who ♥ Al Gore :I'm not against this idea, meander.
Thank you Vicki. I was criticizing the coverage of the story. The MSM is implying that the Big 2.5 can be saved - I don't believe that's true at all.
~
John Gillnitz : Something David Lynch made up because he didn't like kung fu or the Jihad in the last half of the book.
What he said.
~
Jesus, Mary and Joseph inside a grotto.
love me some "Mary on the halfshell". it's our catholic-kitsch in these parts
Washington give tax money to Big 3. Big three give money to lobbyists. Just like the water cycle, ya know?
Big Three Spending Millions On Lobbying
but they were hiring business school grads at an alarming rate,
Always a sure sign that a company is run by stupid people.
From wiki: All persons born in Hawaii on or after April 30, 1900, are natural-born citizens of the United States. Hawaii was declared U.S. State on August 21, 1959.
Well, yes, this is why they are raising the birth certificate issue: they think it was faked, and that he was born in Kenya.
I feel a little awkward being overly impressed with Taylor Swift - both her music and her appearance.
She and Carrie Underwood bug the piss out of me.
Too smarmy.
The better half and I got into an arguement last night about Obama and the birth cert thing.
Not about the cert, but about having to be born on US soil to be president.
All you law talkers - what's the deal?
I feel a little awkward being overly impressed with Taylor Swift - both her music and her appearance.
Isn't she that cute little yodeler?
Washington give tax money to Big 3. Big three give money to lobbyists. Just like the water cycle, ya know?
So? The banks that got bailout cash did the same thing.
Jesus, Mary and Joseph inside a grotto.
Rene and Georgette Magritte with their dog after the war
Riddle me this... Before the SCOTUS does Obama need to prove he is an American Citizen, or do the wingnuts have to prove he is not?
Not about the cert, but about having to be born on US soil to be president.
Apparently not. McCain was born in Panama.
30 electric cars companies ready to take over the road
http://venturebeat.com/2008/01/1...-over-the-road/
I feel a little awkward being overly impressed with Taylor Swift - both her music and her appearance.
She and Carrie Underwood bug the piss out of me.
And yet the glorious Neko Case remains practically unknown.
There's no justice.
Well, yes, this is why they are raising the birth certificate issue: they think it was faked, and that he was born in Kenya.
Dave J. | 12.04.08 - 1:04 pm
Then perhaps they can explain how he got a U.S. passport.
The formula is simple: shuffle paper, get a Trillion; make stuff with your hands, get nothing.
Well, yes, this is why they are raising the birth certificate issue: they think it was faked, and that he was born in Kenya.
Dave J
One on the Chron site is insisting he's a British citizen. Not sure where that's coming from.
They also had a publicity problem.
res ipsa loquitur
Good PR can make all the difference in the world sometimes.
I think I need to hire my own personal PR rep.
Not about the cert, but about having to be born on US soil to be president.
Congress decides the law on what qualifications make you a natural born citizen. What the law is today does not mean it was the law in 1961 or 1936. But I am pretty sure that being born on US soil has always been a qualification.
Apparently not. McCain was born in Panama.
I tried that. The better half said it was a US military base and that counts as US soil.
Correct?
Then perhaps they can explain how he got a U.S. passport.
Brooklyn Girl, shady dame
Wingnuts respond: it's a forgery!!!!
The top two posts at TPM right now re the double standard re the bailout are worthwhile, IMHO.
And yet the glorious Neko Case remains practically unknown.
There's no justice.
HoneyBearKelly, GrendelKhan!
Praise be to Neko case, and my other crush Feist
You need one parent who is a US Citizen to be a US citizen. If a child of American citizens is born abroad, he or she is technically considered a natural born citizen, and can therefore hold Presidential office.
Section 1 of Article 2 of the U.S. Constitution states that a President must:
be a natural born citizen of the united States; be at least 35 years old; have lived in the U.S. for at least 14 years. In addition, the 22nd Amendment to the U.S. Constitution states that a President may not serve more than 2 terms of 4 years each, even if they have only served as President for 2 or more years of one of those terms.
McCain was born in Panama, for example, but his parents were citizens. So he was qualified to run.
"Mary on the halfshell"
mogwai
Thanks, Snow.
Before the SCOTUS does Obama need to prove he is an American Citizen, or do the wingnuts have to prove he is not?
if you are a dem, it's guilty until proven innocent; if you are a repugnicant, it's the opposite
The better half and I got into an arguement last night about Obama and the birth cert thing.
Not about the cert, but about having to be born on US soil to be president.
All you law talkers - what's the deal?
Billy B
Constitution does not define "natural born citizen." In the absence of definition, the definition is left to federal law. This is Con Law 101.
Federal law outlines many ways to be a citizen from birth (i.e., a "natural born" citizen). Being born on US soil is not the sole requirement. Aside from the fact Hawaii is "U.S. soil."
Riddle me this... Before the SCOTUS does Obama need to prove he is an American Citizen, or do the wingnuts have to prove he is not?
Neither. The wingnuts have to convince the Court that they should get to be heard at all.
'The son of a British citizen. Obama is disqualified on that ground alone. Forget about the birth certificate. His father is a foreigner. That makes Barack Obama, even if born here, not a natural born citizen, born OF TWO American citizens and that's the requirement. Go do some homework before you post these articles.'
I love how the stupid demand that other people do their homework.
All you law talkers - what's the deal?
Billy B | Homepage | 12.04.08 - 1:04 pm
Here ya go.
Bring Back Studebaker.
One on the Chron site is insisting he's a British citizen. Not sure where that's coming from.
Something to do with Kenyan independence.
And thanks Miss Vicki.
I love how the stupid demand that other people do their homework.
sekmet
The ClarioN Call of the desperate wingnut
"do your homework"
if you are a dem, it's guilty until proven innocent; if you are a repugnicant, it's the opposite
mogwa
Or in the case of Hulk, you're innocent until proven guilty, at which point, you're still innocent.
The better half said it was a US military base and that counts as US soil.
That was not the law in 1936. Though they changed it in 1937.
OT: Why is it during a time where Americans are struggling and drowning in debt as the government bails out the banksters, insurance companies and Wall Street not one word is spoken about the insanely high interests rates credit card companies and banks charge citizens?
The evangelical church and other religious organizations tenaciously oppose abortion, gay rights, gay marriage, but not a peep from any of them them about usury which is condemed in the bible?
And to BG and RMJ...
Being born on US soil is not the sole requirement. Aside from the fact Hawaii is "U.S. soil."
Rmj
HE WAS FATHERED BY MALCOLM X AND BORN IN KENYA THEN RENOUNCED HIS CITIZENSHIP IN INDONESIA!1!!11!!!!!11
sekmet : One of the idiot commentators on the latest article is now claiming that both of your parents have to be Americans. What idiocy.
This has never been true. Ever. If there is any ONE thing I despise about wingers, it's their determination to just make shit up.
~
The ClarioN Call of the desperate wingnut
"do your homework"
Except for Jonah Goldberg, in which case it's "Can any of my readers please do my homework?"
Billy B |
U R welcome!
'The son of a British citizen. Obama is disqualified on that ground alone. Forget about the birth certificate. His father is a foreigner. That makes Barack Obama, even if born here, not a natural born citizen, born OF TWO American citizens and that's the requirement. Go do some homework before you post these articles.'
Never argue with a fool.....
Except for Jonah Goldberg, in which case it's "Can any of my readers please do my homework?"
Finny
The Goldberg Contraption
Can we count on Congress to be craven, stupid and self-righteous and to refuse aid to Detroit?
Professor Wagstaff
They might be trying to thread the needle with this prearranged bankruptcy deal.
"Staff for three members of Congress have asked restructuring experts if a pre- arranged bankruptcy -- negotiated with workers, creditors and lenders -- could be used to reorganize the industry without liquidation, a person familiar with that matter said."
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/
ne...id=a8NiLMoTo1v8
Billy B, You B Welcome.
I know Neko Case. Wouldn't mind knowing her better.
The Virgin Mary on the halfshell is in front of every home in Bensonhurst.
I love how the stupid demand that other people do their homework.
I hate grading homework.
HE WAS FATHERED BY MALCOLM X AND BORN IN KENYA THEN RENOUNCED HIS CITIZENSHIP IN INDONESIA!1!!11!!!!!11
jac | 12.04.08 - 1:11 pm |
Nah ... he said it himself: he was born on Krypton!!! He's not even really human!!!
'Only six other U.S. presidents had a foreign-born parent. Mr. Obama will be the first in nearly ninety years, since President Herbert Hoover was inaugurated in 1929.
Andrew Jackson (1829-1837) is the only president born of two immigrants, both Irish. Presidents with one immigrant parent are Thomas Jefferson (1801-1809), whose mother was born in England, James Buchanan (1857-1861) and Chester Arthur (1881-1885), both of whom had Irish fathers, and Woodrow Wilson (1913-1921) and Herbert Hoover (1929-1933), whose mothers were born respectively in England and Canada.'
http://community.usavotes2008.co...0/45137.html?
b=
Apparently not. McCain was born in Panama.
Billy B : I tried that. The better half said it was a US military base and that counts as US soil.
Correct?
INCORRECT. Military bases are NOT US soil. Embassies are, but not bases. Children born of US military personnel have traditionally had problems proving their US citizenship because they were born on foriegn soil.
~
ETOB
Every Tub on its Own Bottom
love me some "Mary on the halfshell". it's our catholic-kitsch in these parts
mogwai | 12.04.08 - 1:04 pm
If I ever settle down and buy a house with a yard, I so want one of those bigger ones that every house has in the Catholic neighborhoods.
HE WAS FATHERED BY MALCOLM X AND BORN IN KENYA THEN RENOUNCED HIS CITIZENSHIP IN INDONESIA!1!!11!!!!!11
jac
i thought it was Halie Selassie prior to his summit of Mount Zion?
There is one exception to the rule regarding being born on U.S. soil. It does not apply to the children of foreign diplomats stationed here.
The better half said it was a US military base and that counts as US soil.
That was not the law in 1936. Though they changed it in 1937.
Snow (D-SC)
According to BG's wiki link, persons born in the Canal Zone on or after 2/26/04 were "declared" US citizens.
Not sure when that became law, though. And besides, it's Wiki.
Anyway....
INCORRECT. Military bases are NOT US soil. Embassies are, but not bases. Children born of US military personnel have traditionally had problems proving their US citizenship because they were born on foriegn soil.
Congress recently passed a law stating that children born of American citizens on military bases are "natural-born citizens."
There is one exception to the rule regarding being born on U.S. soil. It does not apply to the children of foreign diplomats stationed here.
Snow (D-SC) | Homepage | 12.04.08 - 1:14 pm | # [kill
what about teh staff?
i assume for the staff too.
Andrew Jackson (1829-1837) is the only president born of two immigrants
i can be preznit! i can be preznit!
born OF TWO American citizens and that's the requirement.
That should be "born of two virgin American citizens who have never shorn their hair or tasted strong drink"
I sure wish the congress would have been this cautious before they just handed $750 billion to Wall Street, banksters and insurance companies. I guess when one uses the term "Martial Law" congress will do anything.
Cage match!
Hutchison to Perry: Bring it on
They kinda messed up the headline. It was Perry who said that.
There is one exception to the rule regarding being born on U.S. soil. It does not apply to the children of foreign diplomats stationed here.
Snow (D-SC)
Just picking a nit here: is that really an exception? Embassies are considered foreign soil, aren't they?
Although the little nipper wouldn't necessarily be born at the embassy, he'd be born in a local hospital, so I think I just won't post this.
i thought congress declared martial law. better read the const again.
That should be "born of two virgin American citizens who have never shorn their hair or tasted strong drink"
doncjesuis, Tina Fey fan
Or eaten a cheeseburger; or a malt with a regular burger.
Embassies are considered foreign soil, aren't they?
No. Rather emphatically not.
It'd be hilarious if the birth certificate thing DOES become a big issue, full on trials, 24-hour cable news coverage, the whole deal.
France's embassy is really neat.
Halfdan : Congress recently passed a law stating that children born of American citizens on military bases are "natural-born citizens."
Only recently, however. Logically, everyone knew that, but no-one ever issued documentation to prove it. You'd get a birth certificate from that country.
~
Ann Coulter worked for Clarence Thomas... sekmet
oh yeah, work it um ... girl - that's the stuff ... more coke can ... oh yeah
If Congress loans the money they should a) fire GM and Chrysler management and b) insist on MPG and green upgrades.
Woo hoo! I read yesterday that Jeb Bush is considering running for the senate in 2010. He will try to win the Florida senate seat that will be vacated by fellow republican Mel Martinez. Will we see a Jeb Bush/Newt Gingrich GOP ticket in 2012??
Embassies are
Not true either.
i thought congress declared martial law. better read the const again.
euphronius
Congress doesn't control the military, so I doubt it. Martial law can be declared for specific areas (a county, a state, etc.), and would presumably be done by the commander.
And there's no provision in the Constitution for suspending the Constitution.
ROFLMAO
Ros-L. (R-FL) hangs up on Obama and Emanuel after reelection
http://www.ccoaler.blogspot.com/...-miami-
dec.html
MIAMI (Dec. 3) - When a man sounding remarkably like President-elect Barack Obama called a Florida congresswoman Wednesday, she assumed it was a crank call. So Republican Rep. Ileana Ros-Lehtinen hung up. But, the Miami Herald reports, this was no prank. "I thought it was one of the radio stations in South Florida playing an incredible, elaborate, terrific prank on me," Ros-Lehtinen told the newspaper. "They got Fidel Castro to go along. They've gotten Hugo Chavez and others to fall for their tricks. I said, 'Oh, no, I won't be punked.'"
http://buzzflash.net/story.php?id=81259
Only recently, however. Logically, everyone knew that, but no-one ever issued documentation to prove it.
Right, because there's only one legal distinction between a naturalized citizen and a natural-born citizen.
Embassies are
Halfdan : Not true either.
I stand corrected - it depends on the treaty.
~
It'd be hilarious if the birth certificate thing DOES become a big issue, full on trials, 24-hour cable news coverage, the whole deal.
Moe Szyslak, eiditer
It's the Clinton Impeachment all over again, only this time the dress is a vintage barkcloth shift and the oval office a dorm at the University of Hawaii at Mānoa.
thought congress declared martial law. better read the const again.
euphronius Jenkins | 12.04.08 - 1:17 pm | #
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euph, I know congress does but "martial law" was all of the rage over the blogosphere when congressman Sherwood of California said some in congress were told there could be martial law if the bailout bill didn't pass.
but not a peep from any of them them about usury which is condemed in the bible?
Because Mammon is the true God of the fundie dipshits.
It'd be hilarious if the birth certificate thing DOES become a big issue, full on trials, 24-hour cable news coverage, the whole deal.
No, it would not.
Jeezus, Moe.
There will be rioting in the streets if SCOTUS overturns the election.
And fuck Haloscan.
France's embassy is really neat.
euphronius Jenkins
But not as neat as Teh Biggest Embassy In The History Of The World Ever
Teh Stoopit, it burrrrrrrrrrnz! Aiyeeeee!
Congress doesn't control the military, so I doubt it. Martial law can be declared for specific areas (a county, a state, etc.), and would presumably be done by the commander.
Actually, Congress does control the military. Every thing about the military is controlled by Congress, from the appointment of officers to training to budgeting. Article I, Section 8. Article I, Section 9 also gives the Congress the power to suspend certain writs. Martial law is never mentioned, but nothing resembling such power is given to the president.
I stand corrected - it depends on the treaty.
Yes, I should have been more explicit, too. Nearly all embassies are treated as though they were part of the home country, under international law.
Because Mammon is the true God of the fundie dipshits.
Apprentice to Darth Holden | 12.04.08 - 1:23 pm | #
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Ding*Ding*Ding! Darth hits the nail on the head!!!!!!
here lemme see if i can kill this thread. Moe haz mail. please let me know you got it...funny story behind that one.
Uh, bo? What were you trying to link to?
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Yes, I should have been more explicit, too. Nearly all embassies are treated as though they were part of the home country, under international law.
Finny
OK, then I won't call you a Canuckistanian dummy 
Me curmudgeony on health care. - Echidne
I, for one, would welcome Scaley Curmudgeon Overlordesses.
there is no frakkin way chimpy's IQ is 125. the ads on eschaton get sillier all the time, i swear.
Why does it hurt when I pee?
H 
I C A!
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Jeezus, Moe.
There will be rioting in the streets if SCOTUS overturns the election.
No, no. Obama just ignores it completely, and then one day plops down the birth certificate saying that, yep, he was born alright, and the wingnuts look like even bigger fools for causing all the to-do.
the constitution can not be suspended.
Actually, Congress does control the military. Every thing about the military is controlled by Congress, from the appointment of officers to training to budgeting. Article I, Section 8. Article I, Section 9 also gives the Congress the power to suspend certain writs. Martial law is never mentioned, but nothing resembling such power is given to the president.
Snow (D-SC)
Commander-in-Chief makes him Supreme High Ruler, Poobah, and Grand Dragon Over Everybody in Times of Crisis.
It's inherent. And penumbral. And double super-secret.
It's the Clinton Impeachment all over again, only this time the dress is a vintage barkcloth shift and the oval office a dorm at the University of Hawaii at Mānoa.
Falstaff
Obama should wear a lei when he takes the oath.
Oh, fuck you all to hell, haloscan.
http://
tpmelectioncentral.talkin...ory_in_geor.php
There, let's see you fuck that up.
Actually, Congress does control the military.
Snow (D-SC)
By "control" I mean the command structure.
"Martial" law by definition can't be declared by someone not in the military.
I should say that Section 9 denies Congress the power to suspend certain writs except under certain circumstances.
Commander-in-Chief makes him Supreme High Ruler, Poobah, and Grand Dragon Over Everybody in Times of Crisis.
um. . . no.
Snow (D-SC) | Homepage | 12.04.08 - 1:24 pm | #
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But King George IVIII is the supreme ruler and who knows what has been added to all of the draconian laws passed since 9/11. I always thought that the commander in chief could call for martial law during times of natural disasters, epidemics, pandemics or civil unrest?
there is no frakkin way chimpy's IQ is 125.
Unless they're doing the math base 5.
the constitution can not be suspended.
A friggin' ELECTION was held during the Civil War, for the love of Yoda.
This country and its constitution have weathered crises that would have caused less stable countries to melt into butter.
there is no frakkin way chimpy's IQ is 125. the ads on eschaton get sillier all the time, i swear.
chicago dyke, blogger
Chimp's lucky if he breaks double digits.
There will be rioting in the streets if SCOTUS overturns the election.
you said it, sister. i really can't believe they will do it, tho. that's too far, even for them.
afternoon bats
just got this email from the franken campaign:
Dear Friend,
I wanted to share the latest news on the recount here in Minnesota: Our latest internal report has Al Franken leading Norm Coleman by 10 votes with some 56,000 ballots left to be included in the hand count.
Now, that number is going to change between now and the end of the recount - but we're confident that when all the votes have been counted, Al Franken will be the next Senator from Minnesota.
But ensuring that every vote is counted will require constant vigilance and a tough stance from our campaign. Already, we've seen ballots going missing, absentee votes improperly rejected, and the Coleman campaign attempting to game the system by challenging hundreds of extra ballots (which, by the way, is the reason some published reports falsely suggest Coleman is leading by several hundred votes).
We won't let anyone disenfranchise Minnesota voters. That's why we have Franken observers at every recount table. That's why we've kept our campaign headquarters running at full power around the clock. That's why we've built a team of recount experts ready to defend voters' rights at every turn.
And that's why we still need your help.
...
No, no. Obama just ignores it completely, and then one day plops down the birth certificate saying that, yep, he was born alright, and the wingnuts look like even bigger fools for causing all the to-do.
Moe Szyslak, eiditer
He already has. They're still checking the kerning.
They've also been kicked out of several courts by now. Hasn't stopped 'em yet.
"Martial" law by definition can't be declared by someone not in the military.
jac | 12.04.08 - 1:27 pm | # [kill][hide comm
the president is not in the military. neither is the secretary of defense.
Just thinking outloud here: One telling is that Obama's mother wanted him to be born in the States, but for some reason was delayed in returning. So, let's say that Obama really was born in Kenya. Even his detractors say that they returned to the States within days of his birth. So, possibly someone, certainly not Obama, fudged the date to give his mother a break.
Is that really worth creating the chaos and turmoil that would ensue if the SCOTUS decided that Obama couldn't serve?
I think the whole purpose of the requirement was to avoid having a furriner elected President. Obama is an American and so was his mother, even if he was born on foreign soil.
What if your American parents were on a vacation and you decided to be born prematurely in France before the three of you returned home to the US--would that preclude you from ever being elected President?
sheets of nom nom nom
Obama should wear a lei when he takes the oath.
doncjesuis,
And pull out some shrunken heads and do a little tribal dance after saying the oath.
But King George IVIII
Uh, XLIII
the constitution can not be suspended.
euphronius
But it can be shat on and shredded.
Obama should wear a lei when he takes the oath.
doncjesuis, Tina Fey fan | 12.04.08 - 1:27 pm | #
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And use a Koran just so we can watch the righties heads to explode!
BTW, Snow is absolutely right about who controls the military.
The Commander-in-Chief commands nothing that is not given to him to command by the Congress.
As Snow points out, all commissions and promotions of officers are approved of by the Congress, and don't happen without the Congress' leave.
Commander-in-Chief makes him Supreme High Ruler, Poobah, and Grand Dragon Over Everybody in Times of Crisis.
um. . . no.
euphronius Jenkins
What part of inherent, penumbral, and double super-secret do you fail to grasp?
There will be rioting in the streets if SCOTUS overturns the election.
I can haz pitchfork?
Uh, XLIII
bo | 12.04.08 - 1:29 pm | #
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Damn it bo...I'm an American, not a Roman..
the constitution can not be suspended.
euphronius Jenkins | 12
and yet, it sort of haz been. looking at the list of all the shit bush has gotten away with, it's hard for me to accept that we're, in truth and not just in name, a "constitutional democracy." i know we're not in full on nazi mode here, but for too many, their constitutional rights have been taken away. start with gitmo, and all the way thru FISA, and it's actually a long list of us who haven't enjoyed full constitutional rights for a while now.
But it can be shat on and shredded.
jac | 12.04.08 - 1:29 pm | #
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Yes indeed! Bush did a heck of a job shating on and shredding that God damn piece of paper.
Halosacn was keeping me in a time warp at 12:10. I finally had to close mozilla to catch up to real time.
Uh, XLIII
bo | 12.04.08 - 1:29 pm | #
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Damn it bo...I'm an American, not a Roman..
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That was said in my best Bones McCoy imitation....
No one else will tell you: sheets.
A friggin' ELECTION was held during the Civil War, for the love of Yoda.
Which makes holding elections during WWII seem like child's play. It's just insane to think any crisis now is worse than shit we've experienced...
I went to high school with Barack Obama's mother -- a couple years behind her. I remember some of the girls talking about her marriage and baby -- I kinda think they would have mentioned it if she had the kid in Kenya -- and can you imagine this 18 year old girl rushing off to Kenya while very pregnant to give birth in 1961?
Of course, he has a Hawaiian birth certificate but that doesn't seem to be stopping the idiots.
And what does this corporate shill get paid per hour?
I'm fed up with idiots with million-dollar incomes fucking up my news feed.
Even Rupert hates O'Reilly.
The Auto industry wants to blame the workers, particularly GM. The reason GM needs a bailout is because of some very bad management decisions, like the plug-in car, the Chevy Volt.
The only people that will be interested in the Chevy Volt will be Hollywood celebrities, as that car won't be pratical for anyone else.
If you heard the bailout talk in congress, please note that FORD's CEO said that company may not need a bailout at all, just wanted the loan on standby, just in case they needed it. Note the Ford invested in the hybird engine.
GM still hasn't gotten problems worked out of the Chevy Volt, and doesn't matter anyway because there is no real market for that stupid car. Plus the really awful thing is that consumers TOLD GM's CEO Rick Wagoner that they wanted something else other than the plug-in car, in which Wagoner responded, that the Chevy Volt was all they would get, not caring what consumer wanted. CEO Rick Wagoner is saying he needs $ 6 Billion right now just to get to January of 2009.
CEO Rick Wagoner ran GM into the ground, with heavy market of the Hummer and stupid plug-in Chevy Volt. So now Rick Wagoner and GM's boardmembers want to blame all of Chevy's problems on it's labor union workers. It's not the workers fault, it's the management's fault - it's already been said, the average worker makes $23 an hour.
The bailout problem really is mostly GM's problem, and it goes right to CEO Wagoner and boardmembers of GM. Wana-bet that Mr. Wagoner is back in less the two-years - asking for another bailout?
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