HULK SMASH!!!
Nice.
goes for two
triple?
heading home
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Looks like it means Clinton is closer to toast.
Partisanizing!!!
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bonsoir!
fun gravatar, Tralfaz
Tralfaz,
I hate to break it to you, but you ran the bases the wrong way. Yer out.
General Attaturk, now in charge 
fun gravatar, Tralfaz
plum
Why thank ya!
hey, les Canadiens won tonite. 3-0 vs Islanders.
la Coupe est à nous!
Does Hillary still have momentum?
You sure it's not good news for Mittens?
The last couple of days bring out why the Obama camp has been calling for Hillary to drop out since January.
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Islanders suck.
Islanders suck.
Duane V
yes, but they're likeable. The Rangers...them i loathe.
Momentum? Hell, Hillary's approaching escape velocity...
I guess the math may actually be a net gain of 10 for Obama.
He went up 9 and Clinton went down 1 so a net 10.
I'm not sure though so I'm leaving the post alone.
I hate to break it to you, but you ran the bases the wrong way. Yer out.
Richard
Damn. That's the story of my life. 
Actually my little brother did that in a backyard game when he was about four. It was captured on a super 8 home movie. We still chuckle about that....
yes, but they're likeable. The Rangers...them i loathe.
plum p,better democrats please
Sabres=Likable.
Well, it certainly isn't good news for me.
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Sabres=Likable.
Duane V
but the Flyers = pure evil (in my days anyway)
Another political prosecution from the Injustice Department...
hey, les Canadiens won tonite. 3-0 vs Islanders.
la Coupe est à nous!
I must admit that I was rather concerned when they shipped off their #1 goalie, Huet, for nobody a few weeks ago. I guess it's working out, though.
but the Flyers = pure evil (in my days anyway)
plum p,better democrats please
Oh, you said it!!
I find the Devils likable..
Obama mania: it's contagious!
Of course, I liked the Quebec Nordiques!!
Now, Les Avalanches!
Obama mania: it's contagious!
mrs. ibrahim al-jafaari
It's an Obama-nation!!
I must admit that I was rather concerned when they shipped off their #1 goalie, Huet, for nobody a few weeks ago. I guess it's working out, though.
Richard
oh my. you should have been here when that happened, We all wanted to kill Gainey. But dammit, he seemed to be right!
last thurday, the looked really bad vs the Senators. so we worry still...
but the Flyers = pure evil (in my days anyway)
What, you didn't like Dave "the Hammer" Schultz? Of course, a few years later, there was Ken "the Rat" Linseman.
Of course, I liked the Quebec Nordiques!!
Duane V
never heard of them
Trouble in River City?
Earlier this afternoon, Oregon AFSCME voted to endorse Barack Obama for President. Previously, the national AFSCME organization had endorsed Hillary Clinton.
Oregon AFSCME becomes the only state organization in the country - other than Illinois AFSCME, in Obama's home state - to break ranks with the national.
http://www.blueoregon.com/2008/0...ing-
oregon.html
those damn Flyers always wanted to mess Lafleur's nice blond hair...
la Coupe est à nous!
Some of their games are broadcast in French on XM 172. - makes me root for them. )The rest of their programming pretty much sucks, but I listen to brush up on my french. Your right wingers aren't as bad as Rush Limpballs et al, tho)
What Pastor Wright said: Right on.
Federal time is not usually that rough. The assholes are even denying Siegelman stationery. I'm tempted to write him a long letter one short sentence to the page, except my ID would go on another list then.
May justice roll down like a ton of brick on the bastards doing this.
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My favorite hockey player name...
Bart Crashley.
He played in the '70's.
Your right wingers aren't as bad as Rush Limpballs et al, tho)
tom tom
well, who can really!
"Of the 246 uncommitted superdelegates, 75 are women...
down for the count
Buffalo beat TO 6-2
are the Leafs making the playoffs?
Very interesting.
those damn Flyers always wanted to mess Lafleur's nice blond hair...
The Canadiens usually succeeded in kicking the bullies' asses most of the time. While rightly noted for their skill, big guys like Robinson could pummel opponents into oblivion.
Ides of March
... something ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ...
November 4
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So they are beating Siegelman in jail? (At least according to the letter on C&L) Is that part of the usual federal punishment?
hey, les Canadiens won tonite. 3-0 vs Islanders.
it's outrageous that nobody is doing shit about Siegelman.
wtf, doesn't the House or Senate Judiciary committee have an investigative role, or are they too busy with steroid usage by high schoolers?
sorry Vicki for the hockey talk.
never heard of them
plum p,better democrats please
Hartford Whalers!!
The Kenosha Kid
So they are beating Siegelman in jail? (At least according to the letter on C&L) Is that part of the usual federal punishment?
Echidne
Club Fed aint what it used to be, what with the drug war, and all...
I think it's time for Hillary to gracefully bow out.
"wtf, doesn't the House or Senate Judiciary committee have an investigative role?"
Srill waiting for em to enforce those subpeonas on Harriet Miers et al
Islanders haven't had an offense since the traded LaFontaine..
Ron Welch, HELP!
http://www.meridianstar.com/
loca..._254003042.html
http://www.clarionledger.com/app...0364/-1/
archive
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Minnestrona North Stars
When is Edwards going to endorse?
Club Fed aint what it used to be, what with the drug war, and all...
Elmer, PHD (horrible
Needs to join the Jewish prison gang..
Who says Iowa sucks?
Oilers vs Cayotes: Gretzky seems to be on the wrong bench, no?
Very interesting.
Vicki, Who ♥ Al Gore
You sound just like Arte Johnson when you do that...
So they are beating Siegelman in jail? (At least according to the letter on C&L) Is that part of the usual federal punishment?
It is if U are a dem.
Winnipeg Jets!!
Evening again, all.
Is the primary season over now? Barack has answered his critics to his critic's satisfaction. The delegates continue to fall his way. Florida cannot have a do-over so their delegates must either be split or not counted. Michigan is looking at a June 3rd re vote or a split (either way, it is not good news for the Clinton camp)
Let's just call it a day and move on, shall we?
Fox is interviewing the woman who was the first grade teacher of the girl who lived next door to the college roommate of Girl #9.
Now thats journalism.
How I miss the California Golden Seals.
Of course not. I was just kidding. We must stay and shoot each other for another four months until we HATE each other.
Oilers vs Cayotes: Gretzky seems to be on the wrong bench, no?
plum p,better democrats please
Oui!
When is Edwards going to endorse?
The convention? I dunno
DWD: no, but we've been talking hockey on this thread. join in!
Kansas City Scouts -> Colorado Rockies -> New Jersey Devils
Montreal Maroons!
Fox is interviewing the woman who was the first grade teacher of the girl who lived next door to the college roommate of Girl #9.
Can't they just save time and interview Kevin Bacon?
Let's just call it a day and move on, shall we?
I'm up for that.
Let's move on to trouncing McBush.
I heard him say the most retarded thing today.
(well, fuck, he says retarded things every day)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B...h?
v=B6QDY9V40ds
Hockey Brawl!!
(Not the democratic primaries)
According to Sollie, more than 15 years ago the state of Mississippi entered into an agreed order and assigned Jackson attorney Ron Welch to be the overseer of facilities that hold state inmates — be it a county jail or state penitentiary.
“In order for a county jail to hold or house state inmates, it has to be certified,” he said. “Ron Welch has to make a site visit, and he drafts up an order — that is signed by him, a representative from the county and a representative from the attorney general’s office — that states that he has done his inspection and it is approved for that facility to hold state prisoners.”
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Welch is a prisoner rights attorney who ripped Mississppi such a major new asshole over its prisons and jails that the federal judge put him in charge of overseeing the system. No prisoner may be housed somewhere without a piece of paper from Welch saying it's ok.
He put them in a completely submissive state.
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and Detroit lost against the power team that is Nashville, the best hockey town in the States
Can't they just save time and interview Kevin Bacon?
Well played sir. 
Your right wingers aren't as bad as Rush Limpballs et al, tho
I know a few who are as copnservative as can be, and can't stand the fucker.
Fox is interviewing the woman who was the first grade teacher of the girl who lived next door to the college roommate of Girl #9.
Next on Fox...we search the dumpster of the apartment building that "Kristen" lives in.
Anyhoo, McBush was saying how someone at one of his townhalls told him his health care premiums were going up $800 a year.
McBush says, "that's awful!! I hope this stimulus package will help the economy"
What a fucking moron.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M...P7Jaexn1rs&
NR=1
Hockey Brawl 2
How I miss the California Golden Seals.
Richard
who did they become again?
He put them in a completely submissive state.
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QuentinCompson
Submississippi?
OK, that was cheap...
Can't they just save time and interview Kevin Bacon?
I think that would only be five degrees of separation
Cleveland Barons (who were the Seals)
New York Americans
Philadelphia Quakers
Quebec Bulldogs
Flyers lost v Boston
Okay, the power cord to my laptop has teeth marks.
RIIIIPPPP-LEEEEEEEE!!!!
U R in such trouble.
Quakers playing hockey? I thought they were gentle folks!
New York Rovers.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E...h?
v=EAPhqXj_24I
Sabres vs. Senators
BRAWL!!
Submississippi?
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I hate to be the one to tell you, but it appears that the NYT editorial staff has been taken over by DFH's. Check out this last sentence of an editorial appearing tomorrow:
The president will continue to claim the country is in grave danger over this issue, but it is not. The real danger is for Mr. Bush. A good law — like the House bill — would allow Americans to finally see the breathtaking extent of his lawless behavior.
Man, I am so glad that The Nancy took that pesky impeachment off the table. Heavens, what a mess we might have gotten into, eh?
By the way, we were jobbed sonofabitch's skate was in the crease!
NO GOAL!!
Vancouver Millionaires won the Stanley Cup back in the 19 oughts.
Hockey Brawl 2
Mid-80's from the looks of it. Tim Hunter was the ugliest guy in hockey.
the power cord to my laptop has teeth marks
Well stop basting your power cord in tuna, and this won't happen!
Toronto St. Pats!
I'm honoured to join this thread with Howie Morenz in attendance. Hi Howie!
Man, I am so glad that The Nancy took that pesky impeachment off the table. Heavens, what a mess we might have gotten into, eh?
David Derbes, writin' away
Profiles in cowardice.
Well stop basting your power cord in tuna, and this won't happen!
Snugglebunny
She's like a puppy.
I've never seen a cat that gnawed on stuff like she does.
Let's just call it a day and move on, shall we?
Great idea. But GE needs to sell more shit and Disney does too. Sony's looking to boost its earnings, and News Corp, well, the only thing keeping Rupert alive is the Viagra IV. So the willing accomplices will keep the drama alive, but won't report the facts because they don't have to anymore.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?
v=4...feature=related
nuff said
Detroit is a good team but they are too passive. That is their problem as far as I can see. They have the most highly skilled players in the league but only if the other team does not touch their forwards. And their D-men are of the same variety with the exception of Chellios. Lidstrom and Kronwall are great skaters and passers. The new guy seems to bring a little toughness but they need someone back there to make forwards fear. They do not have that. They need forwards big and strong enough to take on the Chris Prongers of the league - they do not have them at this time. (Did you see that goon was suspended for eight games again?)
That is why I am amazed that they might not want to bring up my son's friend from MSU. Justin is just EXACTLY what they need. 6'2" 220 lbs and he is fast and LOVES to kick your ass when he is playing. And he is skilled with the puck and his shot is heavy. (Gave Youngest DWD a hell of a bruise THROUGH his flak jacket at practice. Something that is supposed to be impossible)
THIS is the ultimate hockey brawl: le massacre du vendredi saint, Montreal v Quebec, Good Friday 20 april 1984.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e...h?
v=eYnfRDwhaLM
if i recall, they didn't have enough players to end the game.
RIIIIPPPP-LEEEEEEEE!!!!
U R in such trouble.
fourlegsgood, LUCKY centaur
Maybe it was Maddie?
Okay, the power cord to my laptop has teeth marks.
RIIIIPPPP-LEEEEEEEE!!!!
U R in such trouble.
fourlegsgood, LUCKY centaur
OOh. On the 12 volt side, or the 110 volt wall-plug side? The 12 volts'll give a kitty a good jolt, but the other...no fun.
We don't have hockey here.
Well, we do have a semi-pro team, but I've never seen them play.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1...1jVFGpORsM&
NR=1
Great idea. But GE needs to sell more shit and Disney does too. Sony's looking to boost its earnings, and News Corp, well, the only thing keeping Rupert alive is the Viagra IV. So the willing accomplices will keep the drama alive, but won't report the facts because they don't have to anymore.
The most recent Vogue has an interesting story about the current Mrs. Murdoch, especially interesting if you read between the lines. Not much of a dad, our Rupert.
http://www.vetvoice.com/showDiar....do?
diaryId=210
Your right wingers aren't as bad as Rush Limpballs et al, tho
I know a few who are as copnservative as can be, and can't stand the fucker.
We were referring to Montrealais/ Quebecois "right wingers" - although still slightly retarded, they're probably what Americans would call "centrists," being kind of environmmentalists, not rabidly pro-war, etc. compared to U.S. righttards. Mostly they're kind of economic conservatives (which the coming depression ought to cure them of!)
OOh. On the 12 volt side, or the 110 volt wall-plug side? The 12 volts'll give a kitty a good jolt, but the other...no fun.
The 12 volt side.
She doesn't chew all the way through, but I may have to get a sleeve thing for it just in case.
if i recall, they didn't have enough players to end the game.
plum p,better democrats please
Hell, just chuck the puck into the penalty box, let'em fight it out in there...
I've never seen a cat that gnawed on stuff like she does.
She is growing especially large teeth, perhaps. I recommend keeping plenty of ham on hand. Or tuna, whichever teh fluffiez prefer.
the power cord to my laptop has teeth marks
Mynocks. BTW, it's quite possible that the asteroid you're on is not entirely stable...
She is growing especially large teeth, perhaps. I recommend keeping plenty of ham on hand. Or tuna, whichever teh fluffiez prefer.
If her fur gets any fluffier she'll start scaring the neighbors.
I've never seen a cat that gnawed on stuff like she does.
When Hank (my Lab) was a puppy she gnawed a new hole in my antique chairleg, while I was in the room. It took a nanosecond. She also gnawed a hole in the wall between two rooms and rearranged most of the round knobs in my chest of drawers to other shapes. Then she ate a soap dish.
Mynocks. BTW, it's quite possible that the asteroid you're on is not entirely stable...
Or maybe nargles.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_...nL1tb0sCc4&
NR=1
Best assist since the Great One retired.
And DWD, the way to beat the Red Wings has always been clear. Beat the hell out of 'em.
I had to put cayenne on our table legs. I felt mean, but the heeler would've chewed through every piece of wood in the house within a day.
When Hank (my Lab) was a puppy she gnawed a new hole in my antique chairleg, while I was in the room. It took a nanosecond. She also gnawed a hole in the wall between two rooms and rearranged most of the round knobs in my chest of drawers to other shapes. Then she ate a soap dish.
Yes, but Ripley is a KITTEH. Generally they scratch things.
When Hank (my Lab) was a puppy she gnawed a new hole in my antique chairleg, while I was in the room. It took a nanosecond. She also gnawed a hole in the wall between two rooms and rearranged most of the round knobs in my chest of drawers to other shapes. Then she ate a soap dish.
Echidne
I'm reflecting on my desire to get a puppy. I miss Hanna dearly, but.........yeesh. That part was thirteen years ago. I had forgotten
We adopted an alleged Maine Coon. My daughter thinks it's a Norwegian Forest Kitty. Anyway, Abby the new kitteh has been chewing through my cables like crazy; the phone line, the XM antenna, and so on. I have had to splice four wires, and so have now enclosed the more important (and higher voltage) lines in a sort of pipe I got from the office supply store.
I am afraid she's gonna wind up looking like Elsa Lanchester in The Bride of Frankenstein, if she survives...
no, but you have SXSW this week and i wish i could be there.
The 12 volt side.
Lucky. I was a real meanie with mine as kitties. Whenever I caught 'em even looking at a cord, I gave 'em what for. I wanted 'em scared to death of anything electric. Cruel to be kind, and all that. Seema to have worked, though. They'll play with anything ropelike, but won't touch a cord...
Canada Cup '87... Lemieux + Gretzky = Magic
http://www.youtube.com/watch?
v=w...feature=related
Team Canada 1987 was the greatest hockey team ever, in my opinion. Gretzky and Lemieux played on the same line.
Worst chewers ever: my mother's ferrets. She won them in a bridge tournament. Dingbat and Tildy depowered her house completely. She got rid of them, and I didn't ask where they went.
We adopted an alleged Maine Coon. My daughter thinks it's a Norwegian Forest Kitty. Anyway, Abby the new kitteh has been chewing through my cables like crazy; the phone line, the XM antenna, and so on. I have had to splice four wires, and so have now enclosed the more important (and higher voltage) lines in a sort of pipe I got from the office supply store.
I guess I'm lucky she's never chewed through anything.
Little scamp.
bill, it's still worth it. Perhaps not a Lab puppy, though, unless you love lots of energy in your life. People kept telling me that Hank would slow down soon, and she did stop eating stuff but she never slowed down. She died at six years of age.
now i have to buy some carbon credits, my al gore guilt will go through the roof...i'm gonna watch the first Grand Prix of the season. Beats watching SNL...
Team Canada 1987 was the greatest hockey team ever, in my opinion. Gretzky and Lemieux played on the same line.
Richard
You're not alone in that assessment!
Dwayne,
That is why they NEED Justin. You cannot beat him, it just makes him mad and better. He is a great hockey player. If you remember correctly he is the player who was voted the MVP of the Frozen Four last year. (A good friend of the family's. I want to see him playing in Detroit. My sons were with him when he received the call that he had been drafted by the Red Wings. That is cool! He wears the same number as my oldest because he showed him the ropes at both high school and MSU - he looks up to him like a big brother)
4Legs, I've had biters. Our Mikey will gnaw on things. He never does much damage, but he does bite (especially one's fingers, if he wants something).
You hockey guys could be speaking Chinese for all I'm understanding.
On the other hand, the Washington Capitals now have a practice rink about half a mile from my house and practices are free and open to the public. Watching Ovechkin and the boys skate around might pique some interest, eh?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x...h?
v=x6VRxHP66nE
SABRES!!
When Hank (my Lab) was a puppy she gnawed a new hole in my antique chairleg, while I was in the room. It took a nanosecond. She also gnawed a hole in the wall between two rooms and rearranged most of the round knobs in my chest of drawers to other shapes. Then she ate a soap dish.
Echidne
My niece has a Pit that'll eat any damn thing it can reach. Ate my G'niece's MP3 player. Guess who hadda replace it? I love that dog...
he new kitteh has been chewing through my cables like crazy; the phone line, the XM antenna, and so on. I have had to splice four wires, and so have now enclosed the more important (and higher voltage) lines in a sort of pipe I got from the office supply store.
Get some of that hard, yet flexible, plastic tubing they sell at Home Depot-type stores. Cheaper and comes in all different widths.
People with rabbits (who should be kept indoors) use it to "rabbit-proof" the house.
Obama gains a net of 10 delegates in Iowa, while a net of 9 delegates is what Clinton obtained over Obama with a substantial win in Ohio eleven days ago.
I don't know what that means...
It means it is even more impossible for Hillary to win more delegates than Obama.
But that doesn't matter because Hillary's continuing presence is not about winning the nomination.
Eventually this will become clear to everyone.
Team Canada 1987 was the greatest hockey team ever, in my opinion. Gretzky and Lemieux played on the same line.
Richard
it brings tears to my eyes, sniff
The most recent Vogue has an interesting story about the current Mrs. Murdoch, especially interesting if you read between the lines. Not much of a dad, our Rupert.
I haven't read Vogue is ages. Back when I was more in the rag trade, I thought WWD and Vogue had more real news than anybody else I was reading.
Team Canada 1987 was the greatest hockey team ever, in my opinion. Gretzky and Lemieux played on the same line.
Richard |
That Lemieux/Gretzky/Lemieux goal they showed still gives me chills. It's one moment in hockey that I'll never forget.
CHRIS MATTHEWS: Starting with you Jason, what do you guys, what do people your age think about the war in Iraq right now, as it's going, as we're fighting this to try to get Iraqis to take over the fighting? What's the view of your group?
JASON MATTERA: I think my group is supporting President Bush on this matter, uh, we're looking to defeat the terrorists and--
MATTHEWS: Where? In Iraq?
MATTERA: In Iraq. Of course in Iraq. Um, and you don't see on college campuses as you did in the 1960s these rampant protests, uh, these obstruction of classrooms, these, the book burning, everything that went down. I think the kids are more conservative today and I think groups such as the Young America's Foundation help that-
MATTHEWS: You're 21 years old, you're eligible to serve. Would you like to serve in this war?
Of course he wouldn't, Chris.
MATTERA: I'm fightin' the battle for ideas. I'm fighting for--
MATTHEWS: No, I'm just asking a particular question. Would you like to enlist in this war?
MATTERA: No, cause I'm fighting a separate battle. I'm fighting, we're fighting the culture war here, but I'm also supporting the battle that's raging in Iraq.
more:
http://www.vetvoice.com/showDiar....do?
diaryId=210
Echidne
Hanna was my third golden. I love them. She was insane for two and a half years. Kelly, her older sister was the patient one who taught her all the cool stuff and kept me from killing her prematurely. I want another one, this place is made for them.
4Legs, I've had biters. Our Mikey will gnaw on things. He never does much damage, but he does bite (especially one's fingers, if he wants something).
Maddie only bites my fingers.
Ripley will bite my ankles, though she's almost stopped doing that.
I suspect that's why she was wandering around lost- I'm pretty patient.
PlumP,
If you want to come to Rothbury, you can stay here.
Don't know about South by SouthWest but this looks pretty impressive if you like this sort of music.
http://www.rothburyfestival.com/...val/
artists.php
and it is certainly closer.
Hanna was my third golden. I love them. She was insane for two and a half years. Kelly, her older sister was the patient one who taught her all the cool stuff and kept me from killing her prematurely. I want another one, this place is made for them.
They are lovely dogs, true. Having an older dog makes puppy training so much easier. Henrietta house trained Hank in one day.
my cat Henriette ONLY gnaws on me, dammit. She bites very hard, i got the scars to prove it
My sons were with him when he received the call that he had been drafted by the Red Wings. That is cool! He wears the same number as my oldest because he showed him the ropes at both high school and MSU - he looks up to him like a big brother
Beowulf Schaeffer-Revolutionar
Wow. That's basically family..
But that doesn't matter because Hillary's continuing presence is not about winning the nomination.
Eventually this will become clear to everyone.
Stunt Woman
OK, I'll play. Why is she doing this? I am asking this because the answers I come up with simply do not make sense.
On the other hand, the Washington Capitals now have a practice rink about half a mile from my house and practices are free and open to the public. Watching Ovechkin and the boys skate around might pique some interest, eh?
SteveLG
The Philly Flyers had a practice at our rink this fall (right before a game in Vancouver) and to see them up close is inspiring.
Big, fast, and surprisingly graceful.
It means it is even more impossible for Hillary to win more delegates than Obama.
the Iowa caucus negates the delegates won in Hillary's Ohio victory.
wowser!
Anyone see the Pogues live lately?
And if so, are they good again, or has Shane basically lost the ability to sing?
.
BTW, kids, it's time for another edition of WIngnut Crap of the Week!
Oh geebus, I forgot it was Mike Keenan who coached that team.
OK, I'll play. Why is she doing this? I am asking this because the answers I come up with simply do not make sense.
I think inside the bubble of her campaign she's convinced herself that the republic depends on her getting the nomination.
And the people around her keep encouraging her in this idea that they can engineer a superdelegate coup.
Wow. That's basically family..
Duane V
Yeah, it really is. My family went to his high school graduation open house and they came to ours. The boys both played on teams with him for many years. We know his mother Sheryl and his dad Joe and his uncle and aunt and his grandma and grandpa (He will be the first player of Arab heritage to play in the NHL - but he looks likes his mamma Sheryl, blonde hair and blue eyes)
I want another one, this place is made for them.
bill, as a parent of a great dane puppy, it is my duty to remind you that the potty training stage can take 6 months.
(That was (in our case) actually 2.5 weeks of learning where to go, followed by 4.5 months of dealing with Miss Very Dominant Queen Puppy Who Did Not Think The Silly Humans Were Allowed To Decide Such Things)
Goldens, admittedly, are not likely to have that dominant streak.
SteveLG: and you got "our" Huet now. He'll be very helpfull in the playoffs
OK, I'll play. Why is she doing this? I am asking this because the answers I come up with simply do not make sense.
Egomaniac, coupled with delusion and a mean streak.
Not atypical for a wanna-be President.
But there you are.
bill, as a parent of a great dane puppy, it is my duty to remind you that the potty training stage can take 6 months.
Proving the inherent superiority of kittehs, who are born potty trained.
I'm reflecting on my desire to get a puppy. I miss Hanna dearly,
but.........yeesh. That part was thirteen years ago. I had forgotten.
My latest, acquired by showing up collarless in my yard and refusing to leave, I took to be a half-grown Lab based on coloring (yellow), coat (short), general shape, ears, size of paws, time it took to get the concept of "housetraining" across to him, etc.
The fact that he has not grown either up or out since arriving (Thanksgiving), has an odd stiff-legged gaite when excited, digs like a motherfucker, and appears not to have three brain cells to rub together, causes me to reconsider. Some sort of terrier maybe, at least high percentage?
Anyway, puppies of any age are fun but like babies, exhausting. Maybe try for one around a year old? Still lively, trainable, able to bond with you, but past the worst of the chewey stage.
My lab/border collie was trained in a couple of days. But I'm not sure I'll get another dog who is smarter than i am. The dumb ones might be easier to live with.
The Post also reports that Obama netted three more in CA on Saturday (five versus two for Clinton).
but Ali... the Flyers are EVIL!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5...XWUpu8PCGA&
NR=1
sweet.
but Ali... the Flyers are EVIL!
I always hated their uniforms.
SteveLG: and you got "our" Huet now. He'll be very helpfull in the playoffs
plum p,better democrats please
Bob Gainey is hoping Price will be a reincarnated Patrick Roy this playoff season.
I thought Huet was excellent, although the one time I saw him play they lost to Vancouver 6-1.
Going to bed with my gift books from Amazon. Good night, bats.
but Ali... the Flyers are EVIL!
plum p,better democrats please
they seemed pretty nice, for evil incarnate. They all autographed my son's jersey.
SteveLG: and you got "our" Huet now. He'll be very helpfull in the playoffs
That's good to hear, but "Huet" is a Vouvray as far as I'm concerned. It's been "Ole the Goalie" hereabouts for as long as I can remember.
the Iowa caucus negates the delegates won in Hillary's Ohio victory.
And the TX and MS wins are looking more bogus every day, which it would be nice for someone in the MSM to talk about that a bit. Fat chance of that kind of substantive coverage, though.
YEEEEAAAAARRRRRRGGGGHHH!!!!
My Pitt Panthers have won the Big East!!!!
Proving the inherent superiority of kittehs, who are born potty trained.
fourlegsgood
my sister begged me today to adopt her 2 years old poodle/bichon mix. At least the babies grow up she says.
buti i'm fine with Henriette. I'd love to have another one but she LOATHES other cats.
momentarily breaking my vow of silence to help alegre:
Prominent Kos Poster Goes "On Strike" against Hillary Hate
This is an open letter to the progressive blogosphere...
I’ve been posting at DailyKos for nearly 4 years now and started writing diaries in support of Hillary Clinton back in June of last year. Over the past few months I’ve noticed that things have become progressively more abusive toward my candidate and her supporters.
I’ve put up with the abuse and anger because I’ve always believed in what our on-line community has tried to accomplish in this world. No more. DailyKos is not the site it once was thanks to the abusive nature of certain members of our community.
I’ve decided to go on "strike" and will refrain from posting here as long as the administrators allow the more disruptive members of our community to trash Hillary Clinton and distort her record without any fear of consequence or retribution. I will not be posting at DailyKos effective immediately. I will not help drive up traffic or page-hits as long as my candidate – a good and fine DEMOCRAT - is attacked in such a horrid and sexist manner not only by other diarists, but by several of those posting to the front page.
if i personally find it too much to bear, that's my problem, but apparantly many other progressive blog posters feel the same way that i do, so i wanted to publicly state my support of alegre in her movement to restore civility among democrats. alegre's manifesto has already reached the pages of the NYT
i appreciate that hillary's hardball campaign tactics are painful to many sensitive souls. to use this as an excuse to mimic the worst right wing rhetoric against the clintons is utterly out of scale and doing every bit as much to tear the democratic party apart as anything that hillary could have ever said. i note, however, that there seems to be considerably less of it on eschaton in the last few days.
something is seriously wrong with the progressive blog-o-sphere if suggestions that posters criticise a fellow democrat in a civil tone, rather than with venom, are shouted down angrily. 'defending' barack obama by sounding like rush limbaugh dishonors his promise to rise above the bitter partisan rhetoric of the past, transcend party divisions, and have a transformational effect on american politics.
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And the TX and MS wins are looking more bogus every day
Texas was always bogus.
And if so, are they good again, or has Shane basically lost the ability to sing?
They're getting great reviews, actually.
Proving the inherent superiority of kittehs, who are born potty trained.
My 3 cats agree. I can't tell you the derisive looks they would give me as I pulled out the mop after Bianca had one of her little "I will pee on the floor RIGHT IN FRONT OF YOU to show you I AM QUEEN,DAMMIT" fits.
"We never gave you such trouble", the cats would say, " this is the thanks we get? Hrmph."
Goldens, admittedly, are not likely to have that dominant streak.
Snugglebunny
I've never had a problem with potty training dogs. I usually work a command that I repeat ad nauseum each time they go. It works wonderfully if you ever go on the road. They hear the command and begin the Pavlovian squat. I also have 250 acres for them to run around on so the yard stays clean too. The problems come from the things they find in the woods. I have given many a dog bath.
"OK, I'll play. Why is she doing this? I am asking this because the answers I come up with simply do not make sense."
the only way she can win is with the supers, and the only way she gets them is thru destroying obama.
if she tears him to shreds, and does the gop's work and gets mccain elected, she can run in 4 years.
i think a huge part of this is just ego and wanting to save face.
Oooo, the NYTimes is slamming Little Boots on the economy too.
Mr. Bush’s denial of the economic truth underscores the need for Congress to push forward with solutions to the mortgage crisis — especially bankruptcy reform to help defaulting homeowners. Lawmakers also must prepare to execute, in case it is needed, a government rescue of people whose homes are now worth less than they borrowed to buy them.
Mr. Bush said he was optimistic because the economy’s “foundation is solid” as measured by employment, wages, productivity, exports and the federal deficit. He was wrong on every count. On some, he has been wrong for quite a while.
NYTimes link
i appreciate that hillary's hardball campaign tactics are painful to many sensitive souls. to use this as an excuse to mimic the worst right wing rhetoric against the clintons is utterly out of scale and doing every bit as much to tear the democratic party apart as anything that hillary could have ever said. i note, however, that there seems to be considerably less of it on eschaton in the last few days.
Let me just say, as someone who has been attacked here several times over the past several weeks, the whining of the HIllary contingent makes me want to puke.
And I will never excuse Hillary for coming into my state and acting like Karl Rove.
Sorry.
Proving the inherent superiority of kittehs, who are born potty trained.
fourlegsgood, LUCKY centaur
Yeah, riiiiight...
They're getting great reviews, actually.
Sniff.
Probably bribing the critics with bacon.
And I will never excuse Hillary for coming into my state and acting like Karl Rove.
Sorry.
fourlegsgood, LUCKY centaur
Ditto.
And the people around her keep encouraging her in this idea that they can engineer their continued lucrative employment.
fourlegsgood, LUCKY centaur | Homepage | 03.15.08 - 11:42 pm | #
Frenched your tongue
"i appreciate that hillary's hardball campaign tactics are painful to many sensitive souls. to use this as an excuse to mimic the worst right wing rhetoric against the clintons is utterly out of scale and doing every bit as much to tear the democratic party apart as anything that hillary could have ever said."
sorry, but that's horseshit. hillary can throw the sink and use rw rhetoric against obama but partisans aren't suppossed to be angry? dream on.
Yeah, riiiiight...
Well, they are.
You just show them the box and they go there. From the time they're itty bitty.
They're getting great reviews, actually.
Kewl. Might try to see them at Roseland tomorrow night.
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to trash Hillary Clinton and distort her record without any fear of consequence or retribution.
Exactly what consequences and retribution should they be subject to, I wonder?
Proving the inherent superiority of kittehs, who are born potty trained.
fourlegsgood, LUCKY centaur
My cat Sophie misses Hanna too
Hello.
Zapette and I just watched Born Into Brothels. Good movie.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V...-gJNb-VEds&
NR=1
GO SABRES!!!
MATTERA: No, cause I'm fighting a separate battle. I'm fighting, we're fighting the culture war here, but I'm also supporting the battle that's raging in Iraq.
Shorter Mattera: I'm a cowardly sack of shit.
Frenched your tongue
Actually you are correct about that.
Penn and Wolfson are making big bucks.
If Hillary gets out their gravy train comes to an end.
"You just show them the box and they go there. From the time they're itty bitty."
my peepee girl was so small i put a little litter in an empty check box and she went right to it and made her first little poopy.
Texas was always bogus.
fourlegsgood, LUCKY centaur
Speaking of which...
You just show them the box and they go there. From the time they're itty bitty.
fourlegsgood
i wish they could change the kitty litter themselves though...
TOW, thanks for the link. How are you? We've got a lot of birthday cake--Hecate and Tread are both children of the Ides of March!
sorry, but that's horseshit. hillary can throw the sink and use rw rhetoric against obama but partisans aren't suppossed to be angry? dream on.
jdw | 03.15.08 - 11:52 pm | # [kill][hide comment]
I know intelligent people who think she's gone into Karl Rove territory at this point. That's a little extreme, no doubt, but I understand why they feel that way and I know I'd have a hard time arguing that they're 100% wrong.
Exactly what consequences and retribution should they be subject to, I wonder?
That's an excellent question!
Anyway, they seem to think that just examining her record is somehow unfair.
Frenched your tongue
Actually you are correct about that.
I'm correct about everything!
Hecate and Tread are both children of the Ides of March!
Sallyh, Grandmere Poissonniere
The Ides don't include the 27th do they?
my peepee girl was so small i put a little litter in an empty check box and she went right to it and made her first little poopy.
jdw
so cute!
You just show them the box and they go there. From the time they're itty bitty.
Is true! I vouch for this! (Dog people can't fathom it, 4LG -- it's like the holy grail to a puppy owner)
My kitties are now sleep/sitting around Bianca's crate. They rather rudely go and stare at her when she's crated. I probably shouldn't allow it, but it's darn funny.
I know intelligent people who think she's gone into Karl Rove territory at this point. That's a little extreme, no doubt,
More Bush territory than Rove's, at this point: If you can't win a fair fight, fight dirty. Rove was just the weapon Bush had in reach.
That's a little extreme, no doubt, but I understand why they feel that way and I know I'd have a hard time arguing that they're 100% wrong.
Phila, Pizen Sarpint
In my state I got lots of direct mail that pretty much lied about Obama's positions, and then saw 527 ads on teevee that repeated those direct mail pieces Word. for. Word.
Sounds like Karl Rove territory to me. Made a lot of texas dems furious.
I'm good, Sallyh, thanks. Yum, birthday cake. I'd love some.
You just show them the box and they go there. From the time they're itty bitty.
fourlegsgood, LUCKY centaur
His Former Lardship Whitley was bound & determined he would crap anydamnwhere he pleased. Laundry baskets and behind the recliner were his favorites. The others, no problem.
At this point in time it will be difficult for me to vote for Hillary should she get the nomination.
I'll do it but I won't feel good about it.
Just think, had Karl Rove never been born politics would have stayed as pure as it had always been before!
i wish they could change the kitty litter themselves though...
I has an automatic litterbox.
Bianca is HUGE!
More Bush territory than Rove's, at this point: If you can't win a fair fight, fight dirty. Rove was just the weapon Bush had in reach.
That's working under the assumption that Bush was calling the shots.
Mr. Penn's calling the shots right now.
And a very happy birfday to Hecate and Tread!
I has an automatic litterbox.
fourlegsgood
Henriette need a roof over her head when she poops and i've never seen one enclosed
Bianca is HUGE!
Clicked on the homepage, didja?
Yah, my baby boo-boo puppy is a big gurl now.
In my state I got lots of direct mail that pretty much lied about Obama's positions, and then saw 527 ads on teevee that repeated those direct mail pieces Word. for. Word.
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fourlegsgood, LUCKY centaur
and yet not a shred of proof ... Sounds like Karl Rove territory to me. and "some say" it made a lot of texas dems furious...
Rove was just the weapon Bush had in reach.
Without Rove Bush would be selling used cars on a lot in central Texas.
Mr. Penn's calling the shots right now.
Zap Rowsdower
That's what Hillary wants you to think. Not HER fault...
Mr. Penn's calling the shots right now.
Mr. Penn and Mr. Rove are two of a kind.
Ruthless political operatives who will sell their own daughters into sexual slavery to win an election.
I'll do it but I won't feel good about it.
Mr French
that's why she's going ahead with the Rovian tactics.
Speaking of which...
Oh, for fuck's sake.
Everyone at our caucus showed proof of voting and/or a picture ID AND we checked them against the voter rolls AND both candidate's peeps verified the results.
Henriette need a roof over her head when she poops and i've never seen one enclosed
I have two boxes like this! I will find link for you.
My friend's dog, Buddy the Wonderdog, was devious about dropping turds right next to cars parked in the yard. People leaving the picnics often discovered they had stepped in a present on the ride home.
I'll do it but I won't feel good about it.
Mr French | 03.15.08 - 11:58 pm | # [kill][hide comment]
Same here. But I never feel good when I vote for president, so who cares? You do what you have to.
Zapette's watching Rosie Grier's "It's Alright To Cry" on YouTube right now. Very funny stuff.
"so cute!"
it was, if a tiny little cat turd can be cute.
Tacitus Voltaire
I haven't visited Kos for a couple of weeks because of the craziness. Read your link and then checked the home page. Half the diaries are aimed at that diary, all scornful.. Kos has jumped the shark. Too bad.
my dog Maxine doesn't really read many kos diaries, nor do I, so I can't really comment on alegre's "strike."
I am sure mean, partisan things have been said about HRC over there, as have mean, partisan things have been said about BHO.
this is a campaign, after all, but rightwing rhetoric from D's has been aired during it, so to point fingers...
well, why?
and yet not a shred of proof ... Sounds like Karl Rove territory to me. and "some say" it made a lot of texas dems furious...
Not "some say"
four legs good is saying.
And everyone of my friends are furious about it.
That's what Hillary wants you to think. Not HER fault...
Nah. There's a reason he's making millions right now.
four legs good is saying.
Which is more than good enough for me.
I am sure mean, partisan things have been said about HRC over there, as have mean, partisan things have been said about BHO.
Mrs. Ibraham, the diary says that a poster was urging others to dig up dirt on Hillary supporters - this is partisanship on steroids.
I'll do it but I won't feel good about it.
Mr French
that's why she's going ahead with the Rovian tactics.
I'm in a red state that she's already conceded.
Since she won't bother to compete here, it doesn't matter if I vote for her or not.
Well, they are.
You just show them the box and they go there. From the time they're itty bitty.
Not always, they have to have Mommy teaching and also be in a house where littleboxes are used. Forrest who sits on me as I write this, was picked up in the middle of the road in the middle of nowhere in the middle of the night last August. Weighed less than a pound so probably around a month old, certainly not more than 2.
Was a bitch to litter-train and in fact is still not perfect at it. Won't share the big box with the other 2 so has to have a dishpan of his own. Any stray sheet of paper on the floor is liable to be annointed.
Around here people look at you funny if you admit that a pet lives indoors with you, unless it's a dustmop-type arm dog. Cats in particular live "at" but not in their owners' house. They get fed but that's about it. So Forrest never had much of a chance to do what you describe.
Ok, not vouching for the store, but the picture at the link is a "Booda Dome" litter box.
We have 2 of these, one uncovered, to meet the various preferences of our 3 cats.
Heaven forfend the cats not have access to the exact box + litter combination they prefer.
Zapette's watching Rosie Grier's "It's Alright To Cry"
You'd cry too if you had Ray Milland's head stuck next to yours.
Oh, perhaps I should add the link
(smacks self)
http://www.pet-dog-cat-supply-st.../booda-
dome.php
Which is more than good enough for me.
Thank you my friend.
I kept all the flyers. They're on my desk at work. I've been really busy, but I'm going to scan them and put them up.
Not only are they dishonest, they're really, really, really badly designed.
All that money and they couldn't hire a decent graphics designer?
for fuck's sake
Tacitus,
I still don't get it, sorry for being a hard-headed old Hollander here (I know a redundancy)
According to the articles I have read from supposedly neutral sources, Hillary cannot possibly win or EVEN pretend she is winning by the time of the convention. Pretending you are winning is a pretty powerful statement.
One can pretend they are winning by showing they have more votes, more delegates, have won more states, and have received more endorsements. By any of these four measures Barack Obama is winning.
The logical consequence of this is that Hillary is, therefore, losing. Further, because she is losing and there really is no way for her to make up the deficit by above-board means, the next logical step is that she has lost. If there were no super delegates, this race would be over.
I find it difficult to accept the answers that have been given for her presence in this race. If she is, indeed, in a bubble where her people are convincing her that she is the great savior of the nation and the other guy is the path to ruin and the only way she can save the country is by destroying him: she should get out more often because I do not believe that position is held universally.
If she is so egotistical that she believes it her RIGHT to now be president and will stomp on anyone who gets in her way no matter the cost, haven't we had enough of such behavior as of late? I know I have.
She needs to sit down with her people and look at the cold hard fact and the way that things are breaking across this country. Assess the damage she is doing versus the good that could be done and make a decision.
I think she would have made a great candidate and president. I think she should have not have allowed the people managing her campaign to enter the front door and she should have fired them six months ago when it became apparent they were full of shit and were going to cost her the election. But that was then and this is now.
(And yes, I am ready to be called a sexist again)
You'd cry too if you had Ray Milland's head stuck next to yours.
There is that...
She doesn't chew all the way through, but I may have to get a sleeve thing for it just in case.
You can get lemon-scented cord sleeves that aren't very portable, but are pretty effective. Our cat is a chewer.
Zap, was I right or the other guy about ONCE?
(And yes, I am ready to be called a sexist again)
UR A SEXIST!!!!
just joking
Snugglebunny: thanks! but i was taling about one of them self-cleaning ones flg has, but with a roof. i guess i could fabricate a roof too
Barack In The Day
Long before Obama ran for president, he was a state senator in Illinois. Here’s what he did.
Jones appointed Obama sponsor of virtually every high-profile piece of legislation, angering many rank-and-file state legislators who had more seniority than Obama and had spent years championing the bills.
“I took all the beatings and insults and endured all the racist comments over the years from nasty Republican committee chairmen,” state Sen. Rickey Herndon, the original sponsor of landmark legislation that dealt with racial profiling and videotaped confessions, complained to me at the time. It was yanked away by Jones and given to Obama. “Barack didn’t have to endure any of it,” Herndon said. “Yet, in the end, he got all the credit.”
i first heard the following mentioned on the msnbc documentary on barack
He was just 35 when in 1996 he won his first bid for political office. Even many of his staunchest supporters, such as Black, still resent the strong-arm tactics Obama employed to win his seat in the Illinois Legislature.
Obama hired fellow Harvard Law alum and election law expert Thomas Johnson to challenge the nominating petitions of four other candidates, including the popular incumbent, Alice Palmer, a liberal activist who had held the seat for several years, according to an April 2007 Chicago Tribune report.
Obama found enough flaws in the petition sheets—to appear on the ballot, candidates needed 757 signatures from registered voters living within the district—to knock off all the other Democratic contenders. He won the seat unopposed.
this article is full of all the odds and ends about barack that will, count on it, come out in the coming months, so you are getting a heads up reading it here first.
i think barack will win the primaries, the nomination, and the election, and i will support him all the way. but if you think what hillary is doing is "republican tactics", you are very much mistaken. republican campaign tactics are Distortion and Lying. you'll find out when we get to the general what dirty campaign tactics are really like...
We didn't watch it, Beowulf. We watched a documentary Born In Brothels about kids from Calcutta learning to become photographers. Quite good.
republican campaign tactics are Distortion and Lying.
And that's precisely what she did in my state.
If she really cares about this country she'll bow out and help Obama fight the right wing.
When will Al Franken denounce Father Guido Sarducci?
-GSD
We watched a documentary Born In Brothels about kids from Calcutta learning to become photographers. Quite good.
Oh, that is really good.
Did U know that quite a good show came out of that project?
republican campaign tactics are Distortion and Lying.
Exactly. And when Clinton used the Goolsbee nonsense to demagogue about NAFTA was when I lost all respect for her.
Endeavour to Orbit
http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod...d/
ap080316.html
quite an erection
on this, bonne nuit à tous
Obama hired fellow Harvard Law alum and election law expert Thomas Johnson to challenge the nominating petitions of four other candidates, including the popular incumbent, Alice Palmer, a liberal activist who had held the seat for several years, according to an April 2007 Chicago Tribune report.
Obama found enough flaws in the petition sheets—to appear on the ballot, candidates needed 757 signatures from registered voters living within the district—to knock off all the other Democratic contenders. He won the seat unopposed.
Old bleeping news.
"Suing" to get on the ballot in IL is how it has to get done. Their election laws are so arcane.
Red fucking herring.
maxine was lucky, we got a house with a fenced yard by the time she was 10 months old, but even now we walk her through the neighborhood. an 80 pound dog has to be walked daily, especially one with 2 artificial knees.
All that money and they couldn't hire a decent graphics designer?
for fuck's sake
fourlegsgood
Yeah, if you're gonna be a big old, stinky liar, at least make it look pretty!
4lg, you crack me up!
Snugglebunny: thanks! but i was taling about one of them self-cleaning ones flg has, but with a roof. i guess i could fabricate a roof too
Oh, LitterMaid makes a tent thingee that you can put around it.
(And yes, I am ready to be called a sexist again)
Show me one candidate ever who did not believe it was his or her right to be President and that he or she could do it better than all others.
The simple fact is that it is unlikely at this point Obama will win the nomination before the convention. Insisting Hillary has no right to keep running under that circumstance is ridiculous. I cannot fathom his most ardent supporters would say that he should step aside were the positions reversed. I rather think the argument would be just as it is now - she is damaged goods and he is the truth and the light.
Around here people look at you funny if you admit that a pet lives indoors with you
Xan, one of my dreams, should I win the lottery, is to be able to fund a mobile spay unit, that could go to rural areas and provide that so desperately needed service for no cost. Other medical care for pets, too.
For many poor and isolated people, helping their pets is one of the best ways to help them.
I lived in TN (Johnson City) myself as a kid. I know what you mean.
When will Al Franken denounce Father Guido Sarducci?
Did U know that quite a good show came out of that project?
I can imagine. There were some great pics that came out of that group. It was really sweet.
Yeah, if you're gonna be a big old, stinky liar, at least make it look pretty!
4lg, you crack me up!
Hey, I'm in the business.
Ugly printed stuff just pisses me off.
Insisting Hillary has no right to keep running under that circumstance is ridiculous.
She can stay in till the convention, AFAIC. I wish Edwards had stayed in. Kucinich too. Just stop demagoguing and pumping up McCain. I'm not asking for much.
this article is full of all the odds and ends about barack that will, count on it, come out in the coming months, so you are getting a heads up reading it here first.
your concern is duly noted.
Zap,
I had read the review of Once and I really like that sort of music so I was anxiously looking forward to watching it. I was severely disappointed in the movie.
Again, this is just my opinion, but I found the music to be simply unlistenable. And if you do not like the music, then there really isn't much point to the movie. The two singer's voices are decent but the arrangements are overwrought and melodramatic and far too histrionic to be taken seriously. The music itself was basically the same song done twelve different different ways in the same key with the same chords and rhythms. BORING.
Just didn't like it, but that is me. YMMV
Anyone want to take care of my kids for a few months? I have decided that the only way I'm going to survive this election is by going into alcohol-induced hibernation.
Insisting Hillary has no right to keep running under that circumstance is ridiculous.
Well, I guess she has the "right" to continue running, but is it the right thing?
No.
And I'm ready for dems to start doing the right thing.
"this article is full of all the odds and ends about barack that will, count on it, come out in the coming months, so you are getting a heads up reading it here first."
how many times are you gonna post that article? you got a grumpy dude that feels like he didn't get credit, and you got someone running for office that didn't get enough valid signatures.
wow, shocking.
According to the articles I have read from supposedly neutral sources, Hillary cannot possibly win or EVEN pretend she is winning by the time of the convention. Pretending you are winning is a pretty powerful statement.
Beowulf Schaeffer-Revolutionar | Homepage | 03.16.08 - 12:06 am | #
i don't consider any of it sexist
it is still possible for hillary to win the popular vote. that is not a mathematical impossibility, and she has every right in the world to stay in until everybody has a chance to vote. if, when all the primary votes are counted, she is not winning, i have every expectation that she will gracefully withdraw. i am sure she would be under tremendous pressure from the party to do so, and i don't believe she would be stupid enough to push it any farther.
attributing evil motives and accusing her of trying to destroy the party are over the top, highly suppositious, and harmful. it is my practice to wait until people do bad things to condemn them, not to predict that they will do somthing bad and condemn them in advance for my prediction
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BBC 4 rediscovers Mia Lia Tapes:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-...fic/
7298533.stm
Just stop demagoguing and pumping up McCain. I'm not asking for much.
Yes. It shouldn't be too much to expect.
She can stay in till the convention, AFAIC. I wish Edwards had stayed in. Kucinich too. Just stop demagoguing and pumping up McCain. I'm not asking for much.
You know what? I'm kind of pissed off about the money that will be spent.
Seems like a waste to me.
if, when all the primary votes are counted, she is not winning, i have every expectation that she will gracefully withdraw.
I do not.
And if you do not like the music, then there really isn't much point to the movie.
I really liked Once, but there's no arguing this point.
it is still possible for hillary to win the popular vote.
Seriously...without changing everything mid-stream, how is that possible?
If she really cares about this country she'll bow out and help Obama fight the right wing.
I disagree. be in it to win it, until you are not. after Pennsylvania the numbers will firm up, and there are still a few states before any resolution of MI/FL. another few weeks of Obama v. Clinton isn't gonna hurt anybody.
If she really cares about this country she'll bow out and help Obama fight the right wing. -fourlegsgood, LUCKY centaur
mind-boggling.
I do not.
Nor do I.
You know what? I'm kind of pissed off about the money that will be spent.
Yeah, that's a concern. But if she were putting the effort into selling her health care plan, that would be a net positive for the party. Dumbing down the national security debate just helps Republicans, especially Senator Slippers.
nipple
Seriously...without changing everything mid-stream, how is that possible?
its mathematically possible, but highly unlikely.
I have decided that the only way I'm going to survive this election is by going into alcohol-induced hibernation.
dan mcenroe | Homepage | 03.16.08 - 12:16 am | #
i decided a long time ago that that works even on non-election years...
Just stop demagoguing and pumping up McCain. I'm not asking for much.
BlueinColorado
Thatr's the curve where I spun out, and decided on Obama. "McCain's OK, I'm OK, but Barack sucks" was just the stupidest thing I've herard from a candidate since Gary "You wanna follow me? Go for it!" Hart.
Insisting Hillary has no right to keep running under that circumstance is ridiculous.
Her running a campaign that tries to make Obama unelectable, then claims he's unelectable, is equally ridiculous. Particularly the bit where it's justified because the GOP would dig it up anyway. That's bullshit. If the GOP digs up random shit to throw at you, you can slap it down with impunity. When the random shit is coming from within your own party, it's a different kind of attack.
It was clear she had to wrap this up early, because she's the establishment candidate, and the establishment can't win ugly.
The primary's like Iraq now: can't stay in, can't get out.
it is my practice to wait until people do bad things to condemn them, not to predict that they will do somthing bad and condemn them in advance for my prediction
She's already done bad things.
She may be doing them for reasons she thinks are honorable, but that doesn't make it right.
"Insisting Hillary has no right to keep running under that circumstance is ridiculous. I cannot fathom his most ardent supporters would say that he should step aside were the positions reversed."
jeffco: i don't think anyone gave a shit until she started spewing the rw shit and aiding and abetting mccain.
there is no hillary supporter that can say with *any* degree of honesty that had obama lost 11 in a row, and was so far behind that 'winning' was virtually impossible, and had obama got desperate and started spewing rw shit...there is no way he wouldn't have been long gone. hrc only gets a pass because her name is 'clinton'.
Hillary may capture the vote and the likelihood of it being popular is less than half, but substantially more than a third.
the obama supporters here were calling for hillary to drop out of the race before march 4th, "because she has no chance of winning". people who call for the opponents of their candidate to drop out of the race rather strike me as people who are afraid that their candidate might lose.
once again, be positive, not negative, remember that we must all be united in the end if we are to beat the republican ugly machine, and may the best man win
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i decided a long time ago that that works even on non-election years...
fokowi nomowo
Yeah, but hangovers and really energetic kids don't work at all.
1watt, thanks for that BBC link.
its mathematically possible, but highly unlikely.
The problem is that you can't really compare the "popular vote" since some states are caucus states.
its mathematically possible, but highly unlikely.
I'm sure that it's mathematically possible for me to be killed by the flowers I just bought, too.
But, most sensible people know they're not gonna win the lottery, and they don't buy this week's Powerball.
The simple fact is that it is unlikely at this point Obama will win the nomination before the convention. Insisting Hillary has no right to keep running under that circumstance is ridiculous. I cannot fathom his most ardent supporters would say that he should step aside were the positions reversed. I rather think the argument would be just as it is now - she is damaged goods and he is the truth and the light.
JeffCO |
If I said she does not have the RIGHT to continue her increasingly Quixotic Campaign, I am sorry I did not mean to say that. What I meant to say was that she should sit down with her people and look in a realistic manner at what their options are and make an assessment based on this information.
If they believe they can win, then I guess they should continue their fight. But if their plan is to win by destroying the other candidate or the party, that really isn't much of a plan, is it?
You see this is where the rubber meets the road, isn't it? I am merely asking for a realistic appraisal and you are concluding that I am demanding that she stop her campaign. The jump from A to B was yours, not mine. The jump was made, IMHO, because that is the only LOGICAL thing for her to do at this time.
I tire of the argument that as dirty and nasty as Hillary is getting it pales in comparison with the Republicans will do. I cannot believe a moral person is even comfortable uttering those words. If there is one thing I like about Obama better than Hillary (though I agree that their positions are so similar it is DIFFICULT to tell them apart) it is that he WANTS to speak the best of us, not the worst.
Well, I guess she has the "right" to continue running, but is it the right thing? No.
I don't happen to subscribe to the view that having these two Dems continue to compete is a bad thing for either or for the party. No real Dem will refrain from voting for Obama, and whatever support he is getting from others will only be strengthened by his facing down the demon Hillary. To me it's win win.
I'm kind of pissed off about the money that will be spent.
Particularly because, of those $50 donations from ordinary people between now and the PA vote, $47.50 will go to the state's television affiliates.
Got to love that cash cow.
Hillary may capture the vote and the likelihood of it being popular is less than half, but substantially more than a third.
Are U still in Tacoma?
When the random shit is coming from within your own party, it's a different kind of attack.
Yep, its more "believable " when it comes from the same party.
Just stop demagoguing and pumping up McCain. I'm not asking for much.
Yes. It shouldn't be too much to expect
yes, that and the Clintons are racists seem a tad over the top too ...
But, most sensible people know they're not gonna win the lottery, and they don't buy this week's Powerball.
Who knows what pansies get up to at night while you're sleeping?
I'm late - has Obama condemned and rejected any pastors today? This is important, dammit!
But, most sensible people know they're not gonna win the lottery, and they don't buy this week's Powerball.
Zap Rowsdower
And some sense-free dipshit does, and walks off with a brazillion Samoleons. Ragger!
The jump from A to B was yours, not mine. The jump was made, IMHO, because that is the only LOGICAL thing for her to do at this time.
You crack me up - I guess you have trouble getting all the way through your comments too, huh?
No real Dem will refrain from voting for Obama, and whatever support he is getting from others will only be strengthened by his facing down the demon Hillary. To me it's win win.
JeffCO | 03.16.08 - 12:23 am | #
That the pukes are gaming the dem primaries now (see Ohio and TX) is a real problem. They want to run against her in the GE badly.
The problem is that you can't really compare the "popular vote" since some states are caucus states.
true enough. Thats why they count delegates and not "votes" seeing as not everyone voted.
She's already done bad things.
She may be doing them for reasons she thinks are honorable, but that doesn't make it right.
fourlegsgood, LUCKY centaur | Homepage | 03.16.08 - 12:21 am | #
like i said, centaur, i appreciate that you and all the obama supporters are feeling pain from hillary's hardball campaign tactics. i suggest that you will love it when she turns them on mccain, which she will do whether or not she is on the ticket. politics is rough.
.
Tracy Morgan on SNL:
If being married to the president qualifies you to be president, then Robin Givens should be the heavyweight champion of the world.
I've been gaming Repub primaries for years. Like-minded souls have kept some real lunatics out of office in my district.
Still and all, it's not okay WYAR.
Hey diddle diddle my brain is ok ask my a riddle what did she say.
I mean IYAR.
zap
I was wondering if anyone else was watching that.
he was harsh.
like i said, centaur, i appreciate that you and all the obama supporters are feeling pain from hillary's hardball campaign tactics.
Dood, no pain here.
Just good old fashioned disgust at watching someone I used to admire piss away their reputation by acting like a thug out of desperation.
You may admire it, I do not.
I'm as fit as a fiddle.
Endeavour to Orbit
http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod...d/ ap080316.html
quite an erection
Oh my.
belated bonne nuit to plum, who won't see this.
dan, I'm sure your children are beautiful and sweet. However, I just spent nearly six months playing Mom instead of Gramma, and quite honestly, I'm happy her dad can now care for her most of the time.
Now I get to be a Gramma again!
If they believe they can win, then I guess they should continue their fight.
The problem is that they believe they can win by tearing down Obama to the extent that he becomes "unelectable" therefore persuading enough Super Delegates to jump to their side.
I read an analysis of the likely delegate situation that indicated that they would need aprox. 70% of the un-committed SDs to pull it off.
he was harsh.
Yeah. I'm not gonna repeat what he said at the end.
That the pukes are gaming the dem primaries now (see Ohio and TX) is a real problem. They want to run against her in the GE badly.
Bjorn, needs a president | 03.16.08 - 12:27 am | #
if she is so much more effective at hardball campaign tactics as you all vigorously assert, why would the repukes want to run against her as opposed to the democratic candidate who doesn't play as hard?
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JeffCO,
You are right, I am far too loquacious and I have now taken the full complement of pain meds. (This is like driving with high blood alcohol I guess)
I just hate this arguing shit. I want it to stop. Honestly, if the situation were reversed, I would be arguing for Barack to stop his campaign as well.
You believe this is good for the party, I feel strongly that it is not. I want our energy focused on the economy, the war, privacy, and tearing to pieces John McCain: not each other.
once again, be positive, not negative, remember that we must all be united in the end if we are to beat the republican ugly machine, and may the best man win
Quite true. Now tell that to Mark Penn.
Clinton is now in a situation where the only way she gets the nomination is to destroy Obama. The actual voting no longer matters. The stuff that goes on between the votes does. That's unhealthy for democracy.
Her campaign basically has to end Obama's political career between now and June. It's looking for the 'dead boy or live girl' that will do it.
I don't need to explain how unhealthy that is.
If being married to the president qualifies you to be president, then Robin Givens should be the heavyweight champion of the world.
Holy shit.
That's harsh. and funny
Can't game a New York primary - they're closed. Which is a shame really - for all these years I've been denied my chance to vote for Pat Buchanan, Alan Keyes, Duncan Hunter - basically, whoever was the most batshit guy they had in the race...
like i said, centaur, i appreciate that you and all the obama supporters are feeling pain from hillary's hardball campaign tactics. i suggest that you will love it when she turns them on mccain, which she will do whether or not she is on the ticket. politics is rough.
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Tacitus Voltaire | Homepage | 03.16.08 - 12:27 am | #
She NOT going to campaign against mccain after she loses - she's already said that she thinks mccainus is qualified to be president, and there's this:
http://www.observer.com/2008/bil...tionship-
mccain
"Today in Spartanburg, he (Bill) described them as "very close." And the other night in Myrtle Beach, he called them "good friends," and said "they like each other." The topic seems to be coming up relatively often, and unprompted (not to mention that it's different than the attitude McCain has taken towards Clinton)."
To me it's win win.
It's certainly drawing more attention to the Democratic side. The huge voter turnouts that they've been the primaries are a good thing.
With regards to worrying about Hillary making Obama "unelectable", that isn't exactly showing much confidence in your candidate.
why would the repukes want to run against her as opposed to the democratic candidate
They're counting on Hillary-hatred to count for 2 to 5 points in critical states like Ohio and Florida.
By their calculus, Hillary-hatred is worth more than Negro fear.
The problem is that they believe they can win by tearing down Obama to the extent that he becomes "unelectable" therefore persuading enough Super Delegates to jump to their side.
i vigorously disagree with the proposition that barack is a vulnerable and ineffective candidate to be "torn down" and made "unelectable". to say so is to not have sufficient faith in him.
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f being married to the president qualifies you to be president, then Robin Givens should be the heavyweight champion of the world.
Funny, but of course you can't compare the two.
I don't need to explain how unhealthy that is.
pseudonymous in nc
apparently we do.
And this isn't just about Obama, it's about who is going to control the democratic party.
The establishment doesn't want a grass roots candidate to knock out their candidate.
They want to control things.
Sallyh, you mean Maddie's dad has his act together enough to have her most of the time? I'm impressed. How's she doing?
"If being married to the president qualifies you to be president, then Robin Givens should be the heavyweight champion of the world."
see, that's the sort of thing I think is very unfair. hrc is a person of great accomplishment, and certainly qualified to be potus.
on the other hand it IS very unfair that obama has run against both her and bill, who is not only an ex-president but the titular head of the democratic party.
no one seems to take that into account, and it's something that provides her with an enormous advantage in campaigning.
why would the repukes want to run against her as opposed to the democratic candidate who doesn't play as hard?
I think you've answered your own question.
i appreciate that you and all the obama supporters are feeling pain from hillary's hardball campaign tactics.
Not pain, anger and disappointment, and pumping up McCain at the expense of Obama is not "hardball politics" its monumental stupidity.
Her campaign basically has to end Obama's political career between now and June.
I never would have pegged her for this extreme, "Krav Maga" campaigning, but yeah, that's what it's come down to and damn if she isn't going to try it.
Obama uses the term, "social justice." He's knowingly been a member of a radical Black church for a number of years. He seems to favor negotiating over warring.
Those are some of the reasons why I want him to be prez.
I'm am flirtable for the next 30 minutes. Have at it.
They're counting on Hillary-hatred to count for 2 to 5 points in critical states like Ohio and Florida.
By their calculus, Hillary-hatred is worth more than Negro fear.
I know it is in Texas.
People up north do not understand the depth of hatred republicans in the south have for Hillary and Bill.
It's irrational and it's powerful.
There will be no cross over vote. And people will come out in droves to vote against her.
Just good old fashioned disgust at watching someone I used to admire piss away their reputation by acting like a thug out of desperation.
There have been flashes in this campaign of an admirable, inspiring Hillary Clinton. They're now becoming a blurred memory.
i suggest that you will love it when she turns them on mccain, which she will do whether or not she is on the ticket.
'Yeah, he fragged the guys from the other brigade, but you should see what he does to the enemy!'
I'm OK with the candidates hating on each other, not so OK watching otherwise friendly people here tear each other apart. Seems pointless at this stage. Minds are made up. Besides, nobody's gonna change their mind because someone else called them an idiot. It just entrenches people more.
SNL is a comedy show, it is not a show that needs to be fair.
-GSD
The Oregon primary is closed too, but it's in late May, so the local hate radio idiots are encouraging republics to switch registration in time to vote for Clinton. They have plenty of time.
I never would have pegged her for this extreme, "Krav Maga" campaigning, but yeah, that's what it's come down to and damn if she isn't going to try it.
dan mcenroe | Homepage | 03.16.08 - 12:33 am | #
When I said she was going to do this a month ago I was roundly mocked for being an alarmist.
I'm sorry that I was right about this.
You believe this is good for the party, I feel strongly that it is not. I want our energy focused on the economy, the war, privacy, and tearing to pieces John McCain: not each other.
And it will be, in due time. No one here is going to not vote for Obama because he is nominated at the convention instead of being the de facto nominee now. And it's my contention that no non politically obsessed voter (i.e., the other 99% of the country) will be swayed to vote for McCain 8 months from now because Hillary was mean to him yesterday.
SNL is a comedy show, it is not a show that needs to be fair.
-GSD
GSD |
Heck yeah. They can barely manage "funny" most nights.
SNL is a comedy show, it is not a show that needs to be fair.
Agree...but tell the whole "bitch is the new black" crowd.
And General Electric.
no - I'm back from Tacoma.
"You believe this is good for the party, I feel strongly that it is not."
i feel, especially, that within the dem party race-baiting is a major sin. you just don't do it. ever.
Why are you arguing about this at all?
Must be good news for Giuliani.
Who?
i feel, especially, that within the dem party race-baiting is a major sin. you just don't do it. ever.
Of course, IOKIYAR.
"Harold! Call me!"
She NOT going to campaign against mccain after she loses - she's already said that she thinks mccainus is qualified to be president, and there's this:
they are all senators together. obama has worked together with mccain and other republican senators to pass legislation. obama even has his name together with chuck hagel on one bill:
Obama's energy initiatives scored pluses and minuses with environmentalists, who welcomed his sponsorship with John McCain (R-AZ) of a climate change bill to reduce greenhouse gas emissions by two-thirds by 2050, but were skeptical of his support for a bill promoting liquefied coal production.[78] Obama also introduced the "Iraq War De-Escalation Act of 2007", a bill to cap troop levels in Iraq, begin phased redeployment, and remove all combat brigades from Iraq before April 2008.[79]
Later in 2007, Obama sponsored with Kit Bond (R-MO) an amendment to the 2008 Defense Authorization Act adding safeguards for personality disorder military discharges, and calling for a review by the Government Accountability Office following reports that the procedure had been used inappropriately to reduce government costs.[80] He sponsored the "Iran Sanctions Enabling Act" supporting divestment of state pension funds from Iran's oil and gas industry,[81] and joined Chuck Hagel (R-NE) in introducing legislation to reduce risks of nuclear terrorism.[82] A provision from the Obama-Hagel bill was passed by Congress in December 2007 as an amendment to the State-Foreign Operations appropriations bill
once again, obama supporters are suppositiously predicting what hillary will do and condemning her for what they predict
.
Why are you arguing about this at all?
Well, basically because I don't feel like going to bed yet.
I have become addicted to It's Always Sunny In Philadelphia
Have at it.
*winks*
so the local hate radio idiots are encouraging republics to switch registration in time to vote for Clinton. They have plenty of time.
I had two people in my office (our resident wingnuts) come in the day after our primary and brag that they'd voted for Hillary.
(Bill) described them as "very close." And the other night in Myrtle Beach, he called them "good friends," and said "they like each other." Bjorn, needs a president
is this the same McCain who called upon his "friend" John Kerry (a decorated war hero) to apologize for a scum-manufactured slight against the troops because it would help his presidential aspirations? Where is this font a naiveté that Obama brings to his followers and will the republicans drink too?
SNL is a comedy show, it is not a show that needs to be fair.
when I said "harsh" I should have said I found Tracey Morgan's monologues funny as shit. it cracked me up. it certainly stood in stark contrast to Tina Fey, and all the Spitzer skits were pretty funny.
Jack Welch must be one of those with CDS. His goons hammer her all the time.
-GSD
And it will be, in due time.
The eventual nominee is going to have months to tear McCain apart. In the meantime, the attention the race gets simply makes the Democrats higher profile, in my opinion.
I never would have pegged her for this extreme, "Krav Maga" campaigning, but yeah, that's what it's come down to and damn if she isn't going to try it.
It's absolutely pyrrhic. And you just have to step back a little in order to see that the Clinton strategy to triumph, a man who has drawn massive support in places you'd never expect to find Democrats has to be driven utterly out of politics.
That's why I absolutely believe Michelle Obama when she says it's now or never for her husband.
no - I'm back from Tacoma.
Oh, thank god for that.
A narrow escape.
once again, obama supporters are suppositiously predicting what hillary will do and condemning her for what they predict
I'm not.
AUMF, Kyl-Lieberman, Clusterbombs 4 Peace kinda got me stewed.
Jack Welch hasn't run GE for years.
People up north do not understand the depth of hatred republicans in the south have for Hillary and Bill.
It's irrational and it's powerful.
There will be no cross over vote. And people will come out in droves to vote against her.
fourlegsgood, LUCKY centaur | Homepage | 03.16.08 - 12:34 am | #
well, see, now you and i agree on something - i am worried by the depth of hatred that republicans have had against the clintons, and i think you all are right that it is not a good thing to have if she were the nominee
i am just desperately unhappy that fellow democrats are now helping republicans with the hillary hating - that's all
.
"Of course, IOKIYAR."
yes, they are scumsuckers and that's what they do, and that's no doubt what they'd do if obama is the nominee.
and now they are rubbing their hands with glee because a dem has already done it to him, and gives them cover instead of the disgust that should be foisted upon them when they do.
And you just have to step back a little in order to see that the Clinton strategy to triumph, a man who has drawn massive support in places you'd never expect to find Democrats has to be driven utterly out of politics.
What bothers me the most is that while honest people can disagree about which candidate is the most qualified, no one can argue that Obama is not an honorable man.
Guess we'll solve it tomorrow, eh?
Night, all
Peace.
What the Repugs want, TV, is to prolong Hillary's campaign precisely because they know her scorched earth tactics are hurting the democratic party, and give the repugs ammunition to use against Obama in the general. They want to keep her using her "hardball tactics" (read: Rovian dirty politics) against Obama for as long as they can before the dems' attention is directed at McCain. And Hillary's playing along, 'cuz it's not about the party, it's all about Hillary...
The eventual nominee is going to have months to tear McCain apart.
Only a couple if this goes to the convention.
I'm am flirtable for the next 30 minutes. Have at it. WalterNeff
Didn't you leave in a WalterHuff just the other day over all the oral sex talk?
Nite, DWD
i am just desperately unhappy that fellow democrats are now helping republicans with the hillary hating - that's all
Once again, and I don't know why this is so hard to grasp.
I do not hate Hillary. I hate her campaign and I hate the tactics she is employing.
I am disappointed in her.
Democrats love to hammer and assault each with relish and always seem to give the GOP the soft glove treatment.
Just like Deb Wasserman-Schultz giving the three Florida GOPers a pass.
The Balart Bros. and Ileana are tools deluxe and she won't campaign against them.
Stupido.
Just like Daschle getting all chummy with Bush and then getting targeted by Rove, even after he was attacked with anthrax.
-GSD
Democrats love to hammer and assault each with relish and always seem to give the GOP the soft glove treatment.
Just like Deb Wasserman-Schultz giving the three Florida GOPers a pass.
The Balart Bros. and Ileana are tools deluxe and she won't campaign against them.
Stupido.
Just like Daschle getting all chummy with Bush and then getting targeted by Rove, even after he was attacked with anthrax.
-GSD
once again, obama supporters are suppositiously predicting what hillary will do and condemning her for what they predict
I predict that her campaign will say caucuses don't count, small states don't count, and a vote that defied party rules, and where her opponent's name wasn't on the ballot does count.
Look at me, I'm a prophet! I can predict what Hillary will do for the last two months.
night bats.
have become addicted to It's Always Sunny In Philadelphia
WalterNeff, Thai master
For me it's Big Love. The acting is phenominal.
Guess we'll solve it tomorrow, eh?
I'm busy tomorrow; can it wait until Monday?
Eh, fuck it - solve it without me. For the good of the country.
Didn't you leave in a WalterHuff . . .
yup.
WalterNeff - Did you end up buying a new iPod?
Shouldn't somebody be telling us to "rock on" right about now?
give the repugs ammunition to use against Obama in the general.
Do you really think that they wouldn't come up with they're own ammunition?
WalterNeff - Did you end up buying a new iPod?
Another one???
Tacitus Voltaire:
In all honesty, tell me how Clinton gets the nomination without Obama's career being destroyed?
McCain can't buy a media report - the longer Obama and Clinton dominate the headlines the less relevant the cranky and pasty old man is perceived to be. By the time we get to the fall people will find the very idea that he's still running ludicrous.
why would the repukes want to run against her as opposed to the democratic candidate who doesn't play as hard?
I think you've answered your own question.
mrs. ibrahim al-jafaari | 03.16.08 - 12:33 am | #
if i did, i'm too stupid to have understood it. all the obama supporters are saying that hillary is playing much more political hardball than barack. "as if she were a republican". the nominee will be running against a republican, who will play not only hardball, but spitball. why, i ask again, would the republicans want to run against the candidate who runs the harder campaign?
please explain this for slow learners like me
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They can barely manage "funny" most nights.
Ali waiting on MacBook
SNL hasn't been funny in years.
Once again, and I don't know why this is so hard to grasp.
I do not hate Hillary. I hate her campaign and I hate the tactics she is employing.
I am disappointed in her.
fourlegsgood, LUCKY centaur
Agree. Saying we "hate" Hillary is equivalent to yelling "sexist misogynist!!" and running out of the room, because one would rather attempt to discredit the critique than address it directly.
HRC's MO is go dirty early, but how this will play against mcbush is questionable, he being a "war hero".
Obama comes at you from a different angle which is harder to deflect.
I feel in my heart and soul that he can win this. HRC, not so much.
YEAH GREAT NEWS. The democrats woke up and heard obama had picked up more delegates while also learning they had nominated a complete con artist who slept thru 20 years of his pastors bile and obscenities about the US KKK of A. obama is liar and a punk and he's so toast in the general election.
I'm OK, but Barack sucks" was just the stupidest thing I've herard fromThatr's the curve where I spun out, and decided on Obama. "McCain's OK,
a candidate since Gary "You wanna follow me? Go for it!" Hart.
[bows low, offers Elmer Pfud a large, chilled, ever-refilling beverage of choice]
As an Edwardian since '04 i was neutral after he dropped out, with a lean to HRC for reasons I suspect are similar to Hecate's: of two equally qualified candidates I prefer to vote for a woman.
That "I'm qualified and McCain's qualified but Obama? You gotta ask him...." did it for me too. That's over the line. I know from primaries, I grew up in Illinois for chrissakes, I've seen wheeling, spieling, and dirty dealing and cutthroat tactics of all sorts. That (3 month old constantly repeated) deal with Obama knocking another candidate out of a race by challenging bad signatures on petitions ? That's not even dirty, it's perfectly legitimate and doesn't come close to qualifying as 'Chicago-style' politics.
HRC lost me and she did it all herself, no way to blame that one on some surrogate. I defended her both publicly and in my own mind for low blows time after time, like the "of course he's not a Muslim as far as I know." The qualification thing just pissed me off beyond redemption.
Do you really think that they wouldn't come up with they're own ammunition?
Richard
The Repigs are going to smear whoever we nominate.
Tacitus Voltaire
What the Repugs want, TV, is to prolong Hillary's campaign precisely because they know her scorched earth tactics are hurting the democratic party, and give the repugs ammunition to use against Obama in the general.
They want to keep her using her "hardball tactics" (read: Rovian dirty politics) against Obama for as long as they can before the dems' attention is directed at McCain. And Hillary's playing along, 'cuz it's not about the party, it's all about Hillary...
Anybody know why killfile would disappear? It says it's enabled, but it's not showing up.
McCain can't buy a media report - the longer Obama and Clinton dominate the headlines the less relevant the cranky and pasty old man is perceived to be.
But at the same time he's getting a pass on a lot of things. I forget if it was ErinPDX or Unrepentant Fenian who pointed out that the Hagee endorsement should have torpedoed McCain, but everyone was too busy parsing every statement ever made by anyone who ever lived in the same zip code as Obama or Clinton.
...no one can argue that Obama is not an honorable man.
fourlegsgood, LUCKY centaur
good dog, now how would you ever, ever, ever, know that after "watching" him for such a short time? was it when he said that he "believed Clinton had no part in the release of photos of him wearing African garb? or was it a week or so later in Mississippi when he declared that she had done so? wow.
Obama=con artist=black guys are all criminals.
Follow the theme.
-GSD
sonny ablaza | 03.16.08 - 12:47 am
So.............fucking.........stupid.
and......so.....fucking.....desperate.
Gilly - they fixed my iPhone and I bought a boombox thing for it.
Tacitus Voltaire:
In all honesty, tell me how Clinton gets the nomination without Obama's career being destroyed?
pseudonymous in nc | 03.16.08 - 12:45 am | #
don't be silly. this is a competition for the most votes. hillary is actually suffering much more damage to her reputation, since both right wing and left wing commentators, including the ones here, are condemning her daily. so much so that i thought she was gone and done for before march 4th. yet she won in rhode island, ohio, and texas, and nobody suggests that her career is destroyed
the fact is that candidates are professional politicians, and they know very well that a lot of very ugly things can be said in a debate or race, and that then they will kiss and make up afterwards.
it's the supporters who are not used to political campaigns that think it is the end of the world. everybody should stop hyperventilating
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Once again, and I don't know why this is so hard to grasp.
there has to be some serious cognitive dissonance going on... criticism of a campign tactics always gets parsed as vitriol personally directed at HRC.
I hammered on the McCain is qualified but Obama isn't thing for a week, and 99% of the time the HRC supporters refused to even acknowledge the issue let alone try to justify it.
good dog, now how would you ever, ever, ever, know that after "watching" him for such a short time
Thanks Dave, your concern is duly noted.
Anybody know why killfile would disappear? It says it's enabled, but it's not showing up.
I'd answer but I've killfiled you.
(I keed, I keed...)
Somehow I missed the policy paper detailing exactly what Hillary's motivations and innermost thoughts are, but I wonder what Barack's are?
An addendum.
Tacitus, you argue passionately and logically and your logic and facts lead you to the obvious conclusion then you leapfrog it in favor the erroneous one.
For the life of me I am missing this point.
Syllogistically:
Hillary Rodham Clinton cannot achieve the patina of looking like she is a winner. Barack Obama has already achieved this distinction by the virtue of the victories he has garnered. Since Barack Obama cannot lose by conventional methods and Hillary cannot win by conventional methods (and the unconventional methods will like destroy whatever chances we have in the fall) Hillary Rodham Clinton should therefore . . . .
Night.
TOW, he's six months sober, going to meetings almost every day, recovering from his injuries amazingly well, and enjoying being a dad. He's still got a temper on him, and he's still a pain in the ass, but I love him and I'm proud of him. And he's doing everything he can for Mlle.
I do not hate Hillary. I hate her campaign and I hate the tactics she is employing.
I am disappointed in her.
fourlegsgood, LUCKY centaur
Agree...
Duane V
no way?
I hammered on the McCain is qualified but Obama isn't thing for a week, and 99% of the time the HRC supporters refused to even acknowledge the issue let alone try to justify it.
Honestly I think a lot of people are so personally invested in her candidacy that they do not want to hear that stuff.
Gilly - they fixed my iPhone and I bought a boombox thing for it.
WalterNeff, Thai master | Homepage | 03.16.08 - 12:50 am | #
Nice!
As an Edwardian since '04 i was neutral after he dropped out, with a lean to HRC for reasons I suspect are similar to Hecate's: of two equally qualified candidates I prefer to vote for a woman.
That "I'm qualified and McCain's qualified but Obama? You gotta ask him...." did it for me too. That's over the line.
HRC lost me and she did it all herself, no way to blame that one on some surrogate. I defended her both publicly and in my own mind for low blows time after time, like the "of course he's not a Muslim as far as I know." The qualification thing just pissed me off beyond redemption.
Xan, I agree 100%. You encapsulated my position perfectly. To label us "Hillary Haters" is done simply because it's easier than addressing our concerns directly, and yelling "sexist or misogynist" at us is too transparent a ploy.
But at the same time he's getting a pass on a lot of things.
He'd be getting a pass regardless even if Hillary had dropped out by now.
Looking the other way when it comes McCain and making mountains out of molehills when it comes to Democratic candidates is a press specialty. It would matter if there were one left now.
TOW, he's six months sober, going to meetings almost every day, recovering from his injuries amazingly well, and enjoying being a dad. He's still got a temper on him, and he's still a pain in the ass, but I love him and I'm proud of him. And he's doing everything he can for Mlle.
Sallyh, Grandmere Poissonniere | 03.16.08 - 12:52 am | #
I am so glad. Tell him that he has one anonymous centaur pulling for his success.
Obama=con artist=black guys are all criminals.
Follow the theme.
-GSD
Who was a bigger con man than Reagan?
And who's a bigger pair of criminals than Bush and Cheney?
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Who wants to go halvsies???
Anybody know why killfile would disappear? It says it's enabled, but it's not showing up.
Macs silently shut down Javascript if memory's tight. It's annoying. Close your browser down and start it up again.
I sent a couple of iPods to soldiers a few years ago via the Clark blog
Man, after watching Mariah Carey, I really, really miss Ol' Dirty Bastard.
I'd answer but I've killfiled you.
(I keed, I keed...)
dan mcenroe
Farging Bastidge! *shakes fist*
Sallyh, Grandmere Poissonniere
I'm glad to hear that he's got his shit together.
In all honesty, tell me how Clinton gets the nomination without Obama's career being destroyed?
pseudonymous in nc
The only way she could win without his career being destroyed is for her to win the superdel votes, however way she can.
I sent a couple of iPods to soldiers a few years ago via the Clark blog
You are a good egg.
He'd be getting a pass regardless even if Hillary had dropped out by now.
From the mainstream media, perhaps, but I can't help but think there might at least be a few Kos diaries about him by now if this race weren't so batshit.
It would matter if there were one left now.
would NOT, that is
The only way she could win without his career being destroyed is for her to win the superdel votes, however way she can.
She can't get them to come over to her with out making him "unelectable."
As an Edwardian since '04 i was neutral after he dropped out, with a lean to HRC for reasons I suspect are similar to Hecate's: of two equally qualified candidates I prefer to vote for a woman.
That "I'm qualified and McCain's qualified but Obama? You gotta ask him...." did it for me too. That's over the line.
EXACTLY the same here. I sent her little army of nasty people an e-mail, though never got a reply, after that remark. Obama bothers me a bit, I have to say--I find him a little patronizing every time he talks about my generation (Baby Boomers) but I can live with that.
But I do fear what this Wright tape will mean to many, many people. I've been reading some other blogs tonight where everyone who mentions the impact of the tape is immediately attacked as a Republican plant. But I've already begun to hear a handful of people say, well, geez, McCain doesn't look so bad. These are not well-informed people, but then, they are good representatives of the American electorate.
I wonder what Barack's are?
JeffCO | 03.16.08 - 12:52 am | # [kill][hide comment]
You missed Petzold's visit earlier, where he explained it all.
The gist is that Obama is not a proper American negro at all, but some sort of sleeper who's being fobbed off on us by Kenya and the UN.
Adding insult to injury, he's also inexperienced.
What the hell is T-Pain? A poor man's Flava Flav?
He should have worried about his career being destroyed before he devided to jump into a hotly contested race.
criticism of a campign tactics always gets parsed as vitriol personally directed at HRC.
I hammered on the McCain is qualified but Obama isn't thing for a week, and 99% of the time the HRC supporters refused to even acknowledge the issue let alone try to justify it.
The Old Man From Scene 24
Talk about your psychodramas..
That's great, Sallyh. It's about time things started looking up.
I'd answer but I've killfiled you.
(I keed, I keed...)
dan mcenroe
I've had days here recently where I thought EVERYONE had killfiled me.
You missed Petzold's visit earlier, where he explained it all.
The gist is that Obama is not a proper American negro at all, but some sort of sleeper who's being fobbed off on us by Kenya and the UN.
Adding insult to injury, he's also inexperienced.
Phila, Pizen Sarpint
Petzold needs to step away from the paint thinner.
What a racist fuck that guy is.
Terry, he's getting there. He's upset at the moment that Mlle's rehab does not encourage working out family issues, but he's going to have to deal with that. She isn't going to be there much longer anyway. He's not going to change their treatment philosophy any more than I was able to. I showed up for family group today--was told to leave, not because of Mlle's request, but because the staff deems me 'toxic.'
It really is to laugh.
The gist is that Obama is not a proper American negro at all, but some sort of sleeper who's being fobbed off on us by Kenya and the UN.
Part of me wants to spend just one day in that man's mind, just to see how it's possible to arrive at conclusions like that.
4Legs, I would never, ever killfile you.
You'd be like last on the list.
But I've already begun to hear a handful of people say, well, geez, McCain doesn't look so bad. These are not well-informed people, but then, they are good representatives of the American electorate.
Yeah.....
I've been reading some other blogs tonight where everyone who mentions the impact of the tape is immediately attacked as a Republican plant.
This is a serious problem to me. I don't know how many times I have tried to have a rational discussion online with his supporters without being labeled as something or other.
This is not going to fly in the general.
It's infantile.
You missed Petzold's visit earlier, where he explained it all.
The gist is that Obama is not a proper American negro at all, but some sort of sleeper who's being fobbed off on us by Kenya and the UN.
Adding insult to injury, he's also inexperienced.
Phila, Pizen Sarpint | Homepage | 03.16.08 - 12:57 am | #
Ah, Tobes, the fat jackass who challenged me to a "dual."
I don't know why he stays in Austin. Must kill him.
Part of me wants to spend just one day in that man's mind, just to see how it's possible to arrive at conclusions like that.
dan mcenroe
The toxic fumes would kill you.
don't be silly. this is a competition for the most votes.
I'm not being silly, I'm asking for a bit of honesty here. Step back and give me a plausible scenario in which Obama loses without being destroyed as a politician.
I'll put it more passive terms. How does Hillary Clinton win the nomination without Obama's career being destroyed?
Let's be honest enough to say that Clinton's chance of getting a majority of pledged delegates and a plurality of the popular vote is as negligible as it is.
So, how does she win? She has a Rizla-thin chance of winning by the ballot, and the alternative is to win by the (proverbial) bullet.
The toxic fumes would kill you.
LOL!
killfile - I don't understand.
why, i ask again, would the republicans want to run against the candidate who runs the harder campaign?
please explain this for slow learners like me
Maybe they fear they can't overcome Barak's "style," no matter how hard they slime him. Maybe they're afraid he possesses the same amount of teflon that reagan had when attacked. Maybe they just feel so old and tired and used up and irrelevant that they really don't know what they feel or fear.
criticism of a campign tactics always gets parsed as vitriol personally directed at HRC.
It started long before the past couple months. As Hecate used to note frequently, of a field of imperfect candidates, somehow Hillary was the one who was singled out over and again. I've said many times her campaigning has been craptastic, her advisors inexcusable, and many of her positions regrettable. However, all good and fine liberals here notwithstanding, IMHO the contention that the level of vitriol directed at her here and elsewhere is based on nothing more than a clear and rational assessment of her campaign tactics is silly.
I hammered on the McCain is qualified but Obama isn't thing for a week, and 99% of the time the HRC supporters refused to even acknowledge the issue -The Old Man From Scene 24
missed that. but Obama saying Hilary would "do anything" to get elected is tantamount to saying she needs to fabricate her qualifications ... be open. Politics = Hardball. sometimes in your face, sometimes behind your face...
Part of me wants to spend just one day in that man's mind
You'd need to spend the next week being sand blasted clean.
This is a serious problem to me. I don't know how many times I have tried to have a rational discussion online with his supporters without being labeled as something or other.
Talk with me, then. I don't think that every HRC supporter is a Republican operative.
But, if you want to generalize, and shit...
Toby's idea of a "proper American negro"?
Condi
JC Watts
Colin Powell
You get the general idea......
Maybe they fear they can't overcome Barak's "style," no matter how hard they slime him. Maybe they're afraid he possesses the same amount of teflon that reagan had when attacked. Maybe they just feel so old and tired and used up and irrelevant that they really don't know what they feel or fear.
I'll tell you what they fear. His 60% favorability ratings.
This is a serious problem to me. I don't know how many times I have tried to have a rational discussion online with his supporters without being labeled as something or other.
This is not going to fly in the general.
It's infantile.
none
It's not working for Hillary either.
I showed up for family group today--was told to leave, not because of Mlle's request, but because the staff deems me 'toxic.'
That's just weird. I thought all recovery programs dealt with family stuff. The person in rehab really has too, right?
Laughing sounds like the appropriate response. I would anyway.
I don't think that every HRC supporter is a Republican operative.
No, we're not, as a matter of fact.
Terry, what my Irish mother would refer to as 'house blackies.'
Condi
JC Watts
Colin Powell
You get the general idea......
Terry C. Hussein
You left out Clarence, and Steppin Fetchit..
This is not going to fly in the general.
McCain hasn't a chance in hell.
However, all good and fine liberals here notwithstanding, IMHO the contention that the level of vitriol directed at her here and elsewhere is based on nothing more than a clear and rational assessment of her campaign tactics is silly.
Can't speak for anyone else, can only speak for myself.
I invite you to come to EschaCon and tell me to my face that I'm being irrational or being a sexist.
Sheetz, with my first home run
Sallyh - it's not uncommon for rehab centers to bar family members during a relative's recovery. They locked out my friend's dad, and suggested to my family that we not visit during my dad's stint. That just seems to be the way some facilities handle it.
You get the general idea......
Terry C. Hussein
You left out Clarence, and Steppin Fetchit..
Duane V |
Oh......and Alan Keyes.
How could I forget HIM?
TOW, their attitude is that there's plenty of time later to deal with family issues. They only want to deal with the addict.
Unfortunately for them, addicts have wives, husbands, children, parents, friends...
I invite you to come to EschaCon and tell me to my face that I'm being irrational or being a sexist.
fourlegsgood, LUCKY centaur
DITTO.
You know what else the republicans fear?
To win they have to peal off ALL the independents and some of the black and latino vote.
If the dem nom is Obama, that ain't gonna happen.
Terry, what my Irish mother would refer to as 'house blackies.'
Sallyh, Grandmere Poissonniere
An African American friend of mine refers to them as "house n**gers."
A new thread.
The Nazz!
fourlegsgood, LUCKY centaur:
The Repukes have been REAL intelligent the way they've pissed Latino voters off with all this anti immigration crap.
Tancredo insulting the folks in Miami, who's historically voted GOP?
Way to go, assholes!
In all honesty, tell me how Clinton gets the nomination without Obama's career being destroyed?
pseudonymous in nc
maybe a true statement but what if Obama destroys himself? do you think some folks might still blame Clinton?
Hillary cannot win by conventional methods
Beowulf SchaefferRevolutionary | Homepage | 03.16.08 - 12:52 am | #
hillary can win the popular vote - "by conventional methods". whether she will or not is being put to empirical proof. to say that you know in advance that she won't win the popular vote is a prediction, not a fact
as for "i don't hate hillary, i am merely disappointed". i would appreciate it then if we could continue this discussion without accusations like
And Hillary's playing along, 'cuz it's not about the party, it's all about Hillary...
because that is a personal remark which bears traces of personal animosity, not a factual statement or an expression of unhappiness with something specific she has done.
look, i am not ignoring the harshness of some of her tactics. personally, i was afraid that the "hope you can xerox" remark would backfire on her because it cut a little too deeply, i thought, for the trangression that it was meant to point out. but that one seems to have drawn less resentment than many others. i have gotten tired of pointing out that barack plays hardball as well. personally i am appalled at the tactic he took of disqualifying a long time incumbent of the state senate seat he wanted, a good person, by challenging her ballot petition signatures in court
uh - those are some pretty damn hardball politics there - i might even call them unfair
the whole point of your objections is that you think hillary has "gone too far" in her campaign tactics against barack. i'm not sure what kind of a game you all think politics are supposed to be
.
I invite you to come to EschaCon and tell me to my face that I'm being irrational or being a sexist.
fourlegsgood, LUCKY centaur
DITTO.
Duane V
no way?
missed that. but Obama saying Hilary would "do anything" to get elected is tantamount to saying she needs to fabricate her qualifications ... be open. Politics = Hardball. sometimes in your face, sometimes behind your face...
Psychodrama for Obama
Urm, calling the mutual enemy more qualified to be prez than your dem opponent seems to be in the realm of "do anything."
I actually find it kind of funny that so many people seem convinced that Hillary is by far the weaker candidate yet is so powerful, though her only power is to destroy, and Barack is so powerful he cannot lose yet at the same time so fragile that he will have his career destroyed by campaign trash talking by her.
Excuse me for finding that a not entirely consistent argument.
And Hillary's playing along, 'cuz it's not about the party, it's all about Hillary...
because that is a personal remark which bears traces of personal animosity, not a factual statement or an expression of unhappiness with something specific she has done.
You are wrong and I have the proof.
She came to Portland, OR during her 2006 NEW YORK SENATE CAMPAIGN. Rather than using her considerable star power to raise money for local Dems, she RAISED MONEY FOR HER NEW YORK SENATE CAMPAIGN. That is selfish, pure and simple. A bunch of us got on the radio and called the party and her campaign until they relented and gave a tiny itty bitty bit of money to the Oregon Democratic Party.
selfish
selfish
selfish.
I posted this whole story in real time when it happened. This is just a tiny little story, but shows where she's coming from.
All About Hillary.
I invite you to come to EschaCon and tell me to my face that I'm being irrational or being a sexist.
I'll be there.
maybe a true statement but what if Obama destroys himself? do you think some folks might still blame Clinton?
I think some folks will think that another black political leader has been taken down in his prime.
I won't think so harshly, but if the Clinton campaign is the catalyst for the destruction of Obama's career, rather than the GOP, then Bill, Hillary and any of Chelsea's grandchildren will be spat upon in the street for it.
hillary can win the popular vote - "by conventional methods". whether she will or not is being put to empirical proof.
You're still dodging.
You say that politics is hardball, but you accuse me of silliness when I point out that almost ever scenario that gives Hillary the nomination entails the destruction of Obama's political career.
I would like to point out that some losing candidates for President effectively end their careers, while others do not. Running and losing is not always a career booster, and no one cares what the reason was.
Does Hillary still have momentum?
Duane V
Slipping seriously into the dreaded Joementum, I'm afraid. Time to swallow her ego and support Barack.
May justice roll down like a ton of bricks on the bastards doing this.
-
QuentinCompson
The nature of karma is such that your wish is inevitable. Just like Spitzer, who got clobbered by his own arrogant carelessness.
'Course, he stood in the way of Wall Street, so they been watching him VERY closely...
I heard him say the most retarded thing today.
Grampa McBush is seriously senile.
Cool. Could you tell the pro-Hillary trolls at DKOS about this? Thanks.
That's what Hillary wants you to think. Not HER fault...
Duane V
Sooo, if she can't take full personal responsibility for what happens in her campaign, so solly, she ain't ready. She misses the point entirely.
OH. MY. GOD!! Has anyone seen this!
Another politician said Obama benefits from his race!
"If (Obama) were white ... he would simply be one of nine freshmen senators, almost certainly without a multimillion-dollar book deal and a shred of celebrity. Or would he have been elected at all?"
He needs to be called out on his racism! It certainly has no place in this campaign!! This is gutter talk!
If she really cares about this country she'll bow out and help Obama fight the right wing.
fourlegsgood, LUCKY centaur
Word.
If she really cares about this country she'll bow out and help Obama fight the right wing.
fourlegsgood, LUCKY centaur
Word.
under the radar | 03.16.08 - 3:29 am | #
Right! Because what the Democratic Party needs now is another quitter!
"Obama got the extra delegates because John McCain is a man of the people"-cable news
How many delegates were committed to Lincoln before the Republican convention in 1860? Didn't he get the nomination by finishing third?
I know what it means:
It means that our election system is like the rotten borough system in 18th century where votes in some areas count a lot more than votes in other areas. Naturally, the people who have figured out how to game this system, and those who simply prefer the outcome, have no problem with it at all.
THIS IS EXCELLENT NEWS!! FOR HILLARY!!!
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