I'MMA LET YOU FINISH
peace
Horizon lines
Weapons of mass destruction related program activities.
depends on your definition of time
Event horizon?
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"Hello, TicketBastard? I'd like two tix to Time Horizon, pls."
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I'm in charge, dammit!
depends, and I mean "depends™" on the meaning of "come down"
Horizon lines
MikeJ
Those occur at the edges of Denny Hastert's speedo.
Someone pointed out that horizons always recede as you move towards them.
Now that's deep.
gooper says: timelines are arbitrary,
time horizons are something you can walk towards--they are made and ordained by god.
what about that dont the Demo(n)crats understand?
How can anyone be this stupid?
http://www.detnews.com/apps/pbcs...METRO/
807180387
I think it will be determined by the Restaurant at the End of the Universe.
Or when all the porpoises leave.
Look: the sun is going down.
No, no, my boy, you’re all confused – the horizon’s moving up.
/firesign theater
Wow. All I see are clouds man.
How can anyone be this stupid?
It's the Detroit News. Same as the Free Press. Same company, same shit.
Won't be Bush Country anymore.
It will be Obama Land. - Terry C
Please, Obamastan.
Modern Germans apologize several times a day for being German and scrupulously avoid being overtly nationally proud.
That is not my experience
Someone pointed out that horizons always recede as you move towards them.
Now that's deep.
Gromit, dirty hippie scientist
Even EJDionne was noting that yesterday on KO.
The "horizons" idea is DOA. Maliki has now buried it.
Won't be Bush Country anymore.
It will be Obama Land. - Terry C
Please, Obamastan.
bo
Hey. that works for me, too!
i'd rather live in obamastan than dumbfuckistan.
It's all about the aspirational goals....
Afternoon, folks.
Deep Thought
This election may come down to a debate over the semantic differences between timelines and time horizons.
-Atrios 17:48
let's hope you're right. one is finite. the other one, not so much...
The "horizons" idea is DOA. Maliki has now buried it.
I loved it. As the unnamed McCain advisor said, They're "Fucked."
fokowi - check the homepage if you want to see the next gig this summer.
Really, I hate to do this to people - just sometimes it really pays to donate your time and effort a little.
they are fucked. they are well and truly fucked. they are fucked like they have never been fucked before..
On a totally unrelated note, please help send Karl Rove to jail.
they are fucked. they are well and truly fucked. they are fucked like they have never been fucked before..
Rove predicted that
I loved it. As the unnamed McCain advisor said, They're "Fucked."
Vicki, Who ♥ Al Gore
This made it even better:
“Again, what [al-Maliki] has said is not a timeline or a timetable. He said time horizons, which, again, we think that there's nothing wrong with talking about time horizons,” said Petraeus.
Dear General: Read. My. Lips.
Sincerely,
Nouri al-Maliki
God Barndog, that is a fabulous line-up.
Me v. jealous.
the edges of Denny Hastert's speedo.
Upsidasium
Brainbleach! STAT!!!
Dear General: Read. My. Lips.
he needs to say: "Suck. On. This.
Vicki - the crappy part is, we'll be selling tyedye some of the weekend for our friends.
I can see our future now...
Someone pointed out that horizons always recede as you move towards them.
If the earth were flat, that might be true.
But a horizon is really nothing more than an artificial marker. An arbitrary deadline, if you will.
You may not be able to reach your horizon, but you may very well be standing on someone else's horizon. Because a horizon is relative to your location.
the crappy part is, we'll be selling tyedye some of the weekend for our friends.
I can see our future now...
You want I pitch in for you...
You may not be able to reach your horizon, but you may very well be standing on someone else's horizon. Because a horizon is relative to your location.
Snow (D-SC)
But, like the future, you never really get there.
Which is the point.
I aspire to drink cheap beer and not move until it falls below 92°F outside.
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they are fucked. they are well and truly fucked. they are fucked like they have never been fucked before..
Asscroft's eagle's mighty sore.
Sounds like Pelosi was treated with kid gloves this morning, Not one Netroots blogger have the balls to ask her why she's a GOP enabler?
they are fucked. they are well and truly fucked. they are fucked like they have never been fucked before..
mingo
Remember when all the really bad shit was happening to Democrats?
there's a pot of gold at the end of our time horizon!!
You want I pitch in for you...
I'll ask the bossman.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/20.../556/305/
553954
watch the videos - that is all!!
and enjoy!!
Emperor/Messiah Hussein Obamanol addresses a screaming throng of Germans:
"Ich bin ein betrügerischer Flip hinplumpsen laßender Windbeutel.."
Neiwert at the right wing "counter" to NRN:
The speakers were uniformly, uh, subdued about their prospects for the 2008 elections. I think a hari-kiri booth in the exhibit area would have been popular.
Horizon is where you start, but you never get there.
Like the Irish Spring Leprachuan.
It's like a Friedman "pot o' gold".
i'd rather live in obamastan than dumbfuckistan.
rootless-e, temp-hoosier
You and me both!
Which is the one where Sam Neil is the devil?
Truly, though, Barndog...Richie Havens? Del McCoury?
I saw Havens at Bliss in 2000 (I think it was 2000). He rocked. It was pouring rain, too.
Time Horizon is so romantic.
Anaheim Angels now loading the bases, down 2-1 in the bottom of the 7th.
But, like the future, you never really get there.
Or you are already there. Like a ship on the horizon.
You may not be able to reach your horizon, but you may very well be standing on someone else's horizon. Because a horizon is relative to your location.
Snow (D-SC)
And it's always 5 o'clock somewhere. But it's a lousy way to tell time.
How far to the horizon
I'm in a rush you see
We were to meet by the western sky
My love must be waiting on me
It don't look all that far, no?
No more than thirty miles
But I set out thirty years ago
Been walking all that while
Look yonder, look yonder, look over there
Ain't that a sight to see
Just a few more miles to the horizon
Oh, Lord, don't give up on me
I know it's pretty country
It borders on the sky
It's nothing but my faith that says
I'll be there by and by
/jesse winchester
I've seen Richie a few times now - mostly at The Ark, or downtown A2.
Del McCoury - a couple dozen times, but not in the last 5 years or so.
Soylent Green is on TCM; apparently the whole movie is exposition.
there's a pot of gold at the end of our time horizon!! - mingo
Doesn,t make up for this crock of shit that's been in our faces for the last 8 years.
no shit
I gotta put some gold in my pot.
Laterz.
EschaCon NW
http://eschaconnw.blogspot.com/
bo, trying to id your grav - is it a Pogont?
If I drink all the beer I bought this evening I will hate myself tomorrow.
I am counting on you all to get me through that.
Double by Aybar scores three.
jen,
Well, thank you Mam', but I have a duty to perform. The Preznit has instructed me to save Iraq from itself. Maybe we can get together in the next century.
SteveLG: I am counting on you all to get me through that.
Oh, it's been a bad week, for me, too.
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hara-kiri. although normally that is mispronounced as harry carey so this is an improvement?
horizons = never ending
Just over the hill, good buddy.
If I drink all the beer I bought this evening I will hate myself tomorrow.
I am counting on you all to get me through that.
SteveLG
We'll be right there for you tomorrow. We won't talk loud or slam any doors.
Did Jimmy Webb come up with that?
There'll be a load of compromisin'
On the time to my horizon
But I'm gonna make it so history is a favorin' me
Like a punk ass cowboy from connecticut etc...
mingo,
Indeed it is - Porky Pine.
Truly, though, Barndog...Richie Havens? Del McCoury?
I saw Havens at Bliss in 2000 (I think it was 2000). He rocked. It was pouring rain, too.
Vicki, Who ♥ Al Gore
I just heard Richie Havens on the Sirius doing a Who song.
No idea which one at the moment because Hold Steady is filling my auricles.
him cute
We'll be right there for you tomorrow. We won't talk loud or slam any doors
The hell I won't.
Aren't there time-like lines around the event horizons?
Sorry to hear that, JP.
I'll tip one in your honor this evening.
Please skritch a kitteh on my behalf.
Aren't there time-like lines around the event horizons?
Randomfactor
No but there are perspective lines converging.
Or you are already there. Like a ship on the horizon.
Snow (D-SC)
Except by the time I get there, it's already the past. And everytime I reach the horizon, it's still stretching out in front of me.
If I cross a "time horizon," do I travel into the future, skipping the present? Do I pass from sight, as I would if I crossed a spatial horizon? Does this phrase really have any meaning at all?
would someone like to share my bottle of Bartolomeo Rosato???
Thankee, mingo.
The pot of gold is worth about a tenth of what it would be worth under Clinton.
Does this phrase really have any meaning at all?
no, and therefore is a good thing to discuss as drinking progresses.
Great BoSox centerfield catch ends the inning saves 1 or 2 runs.
would someone like to share my bottle of Bartolomeo Rosato???
mingo | 07.19.08 - 6:19 pm | #
Martini and Rossi Asti Spumanti !
Just over the hill, good buddy.
mer
'zackly.
That's what I love about that Jesse Winchester song ('specially Christine Collister's recording).
It don't look all that far, no?
No more than thirty miles
But I set out thirty years ago
Been walking all that while
Except by the time I get there, it's already the past. And everytime I reach the horizon, it's still stretching out in front of me.
Well, I can hit a target over the horizon, so I do not think it is imaginary but relative.
Martini and Rossi Asti Spumanti !
doan know that. is good?
Does this phrase really have any meaning at all?
Rmj, Poor Man's Theologist
It's different than a time line.
That's all you need to know. Now move along and have some ice cream.
Blue Nun
you know you have reached the horizon when the parallel line of the path you were following converge.
Even the usual tr00ls are dispirited.
It's a wonderful thing 
lines
Does this phrase really have any meaning at all?
Rmj, Poor Man's Theologist
Of course not. That's why it was selected by the WH.
Blue Nun
A. Morphous, jerked around
They still make that?
That was a wine of choice when I was in college about 25 years ago.
Don't think I'd like it today.
Blue Nun was the next step up for me from Boone's Farm Strawberry (high school tipple of choice, after tequila). I thought it was pretty uptown at the time.
MD 20/20.
Puke inducing if you drank too much.
The Japanese game show (the only thing on American tv) has a variation in which youngsters must cross an obstacle course or their mother will be dunked in dirty water!
Blue Nun was the next step up for me from Boone's Farm Strawberry (high school tipple of choice, after tequila). I thought it was pretty uptown at the time.
mingo
yeah, even now, the one word that comes to mind is "sweet."
Like a lot of German wines.
Well, I can hit a target over the horizon, so I do not think it is imaginary but relative.
Snow (D-SC)
But, as I pointed out, a spatial horizon has no relationship to time.
Whether or not an horizon is relative to the viewer is irrelevant to the metaphor of a "time horizon" (which is all it is), and the weakness of the metaphor is illustrated by the observation that one never reaches an horizon.
After all, a timeline demarks something we will reach when the future becomes the present, but a "time horizon" denotes something always in the future relative to our position in the present (since we never reach the future).
A spatial horizon is relative, but in an entirely different sense.
Blue Nun was the next step up for me from Boone's Farm Strawberry (high school tipple of choice, after tequila). I thought it was pretty uptown at the time.
mingo
Remember Mateus? Same difference.
sweet can be ok, if there is other character to the wine. I usually like dry, though.
Blue Nun was the next step up for me from Boone's Farm Strawberry (high school tipple of choice, after tequila). I thought it was pretty uptown at the time.
mingo
Perhaps you never met Carlo Rossi.
That was a wine of choice when I was in college about 25 years ago.
See, 35-40 years ago the big controversy was "Lancers, or Mateus?"
I decided Sadaam deserved everything he got when I read that he was a Mateus drinker.
It's a miracle that people will drink good rose anymore.
Are these really lines y'all are talking about, or rays?
Blue Nun
A. Morphous, jerked around
They still make that?
That was a wine of choice when I was in college about 25 years ago.
Don't think I'd like it today.
edub
I remember that. It was either Blue Nun or Mateus if you wanted to go high class. But at our hippie crash pad we ordered Boone's Farm by the case.
Here is a cake for the trolls.
http://bp3.blogger.com/
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Eat up!
Twitters and tweets:
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/1...?
ref=technology
Remember Mateus? Same difference.
Deacon Blues
You're stirring up memories I'd much prefer remain forgotten.
sweet can be ok, if there is other character to the wine. I usually like dry, though.
mingo
I enjoy sweet wines if they have a lot of fruit flavors.
Champale
*ahem* I drink good rozay! the rosato I have chillin' now is a nice eye-talian one. frenchy ones are good, too.
Back!
Playing Skype yakkity.
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This conversation keeps up, I'll start reliving the hangovers of my youth.
sweet can be ok, if there is other character to the wine. I usually like dry, though.
mingo
There is nothing in the world better than great sweet wine. Nothing.
But there's a whole lot more shitty sweet wine though, and that tends to poison the well.
and carlo rossi!! I had some of that one time, when I was forced into a dinner with my landlord at the Elks' Club. shudder.
I cannot type and talk at the same time.
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But there's a whole lot more shitty sweet wine though, and that tends to poison the well.
true dat.
But, I can drink Natty Ice and alternately talk and type. 
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sure, it's in your glass now. But can you make a candle out of the bottle?
Boone's Farm,
Annie Greensprings,
hey, there was alcohol in them.
and Italian Swiss Colony.
The "Time Line" is used for determining the "Time Horizon". At that point these individuals http://tinyurl.com/5wwfl9
can engage the WABAC and go about their business.
NN!
Numbnuts Nation!
But can you make a candle out of the bottle?
brewing liberally
Chianti!
Weird that we all drank the same shitty wine in our youth. My head hurts thinking about it.
Band of brothers not bend over brother
All for one, one for all not one anus for all
Semper Fi not Semper KY
I've had some good dessert wines, but typically I've tried and purchases these at a winery.
But my college self liked a lot of things my present self would find disgusting.
Or line segments?
In college people would sometimes show up with something called "Silver Satin."
It was said to be wine but I doubt that any grapes were harmed in the making of it.
Weird that we all drank the same shitty wine in our youth. My head hurts thinking about it.
Libby, driving by
And perhaps had a bit of arsenic poisoning!
The "Time Line" is used for determining the "Time Horizon". At that point these individuals http://tinyurl.com/5wwfl9
can engage the WABAC and go about their business.
EkCenTriK
I say we call it an "event horizon" and confirm that Iraq is the black hole of our own making, devouring all the money and personnel we can put near it.
If this election is reduced to a debate on the semantic difference between timeline and time horizon, we had better figure out what we want that difference to be.
I choose none. YMMV.
I had a wine epiphany the first time I had Bordeaux. it was so good, but I couldn't figure out why.
Or this cake, which is what would happen if the bride sobered up enough to see the troll they were marrying.
http://bp0.blogger.com/
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We used to have a concoction called "bash" at college parties, served from a big, plastic trash can. I think it had grain alcohol in it.
RIPPLE
hey,,you kids aren't paying attention, but the sansi-belt boyz on fukz just said the war is over. we won. the surge gwah blan fwan ghlealkjfaaldknfv;aksjdflkj
I couldn't translate all of it.
I had a wine epiphany the first time I had Bordeaux. it was so good, but I couldn't figure out why.
mingo
I had the same experience with Shiraz.
I guess the good news is that no one seems to fallen so low as Thunderbird. And what the other one that street drunks drank. 40/40 or something like that?
Then there's the USCG, Governor's Island Security Patrol's unanimous choice for Best Cheap Drunk of 1967, Pink Kat Pineapple Wine, or so I was told in 1968.
I am NOT drinking any fucking Merlot!
yes by all means let's do have homophobic slogans IN CLASSICAL TONGUES.
"I say we call it an "event horizon" and confirm that Iraq is the black hole of our own making, devouring all the money and personnel we can put near it"
Perfect. We can then all don fancy headdresses and war paint, strip to our skivvies and sacrifice Republicans from the edge of this event horizon. Listening to them scream "Bunch of Whiners!" as they are swallowed up in it's black maw will be entertaining.
the surge gwah blan fwan ghlealkjfaaldknfv;aksjdflkj
that's what they sound like to me, too.
I guess the good news is that no one seems to fallen so low as Thunderbird. And what the other one that street drunks drank. 40/40 or something like that?
Libby, driving by
Been known to drink the 'bird. Had an uncle who was so cheap it's what he bought, when he wanted something other than beer.
I loved that man.
at least cisco has a color
I had a wine epiphany the first time I had Bordeaux. it was so good, but I couldn't figure out why.
mingo
In my case it was a friend's bottle of 1949 Riesling (this was around 1977). Blew my mind... went places I didn't know a beverage could go.
yes by all means let's do have homophobic slogans IN CLASSICAL TONGUES.
k&y4dk,obamastani
It sound so much nicer that way.
This election may come down to a debate over the semantic differences between timelines and time horizons.
Please, shoot me now.
I have to go epiphany after the 3rd beer, for sure.
MD 40/40 ?
Anyone tried Firefly Sweet Tea-flavored Vodka?
I am NOT drinking any fucking Merlot!
edub
No problemo.
Just pass that Chateau Petrus right over here and I'll make sure it doesn't bother you anymore.
Swedish telecom thingy left behind in a bomb shelter; they don't know if it still works and visitors are warned that if they touch it they could kill all telecom in the area.
How expensive could it possibly be to have one shipped and ikea'd near AT&T headquarters?
I'm not much of a drinkee whisker.
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And it's nowhere near 5:00 here.
Anyone tried Firefly Sweet Tea-flavored Vodka?
Snow (D-SC)
I don't think I'd try that on a bet. Have you? Any good?
I might like it if it tastes like fireflies.
Why we went:
July 17, 2008
FALLUJAH, Iraq - Only a short time ago the city of Fallujah served as stronghold for insurgents. Daily skirmishes, improvised explosive device detonations and public unease made operating a business in the city very difficult.
Today, with improved security throughout the region, the low price of 4,000 dinar, or $3.50, will purchase a full meal at the recently established Kentucky Fried Chicken in the Hey Al Dubat area of the city.
The KFC is the first to open for business in the city. Before improved conditions in the city, insurgents threatened business owners, demanding money to support acts of terrorism.
I like beer. It makes me a jolly good fellow.
And snarky.
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This election may come down to a debate over the semantic differences between timelines and time horizons.
Please, shoot me now.
Hecate, Runnymeade Conspirator
Before we've even gotten to the Time Vectors?
A clerk at Home Depot, who was helping load some whiskey barrel halves in our car, told me that if you poured a layer of water into the bottom of the barrel and let it soak for a while, it made a pretty good brew.
And it's nowhere near 5:00 here.
E and I are drinking for you.
The McSame/Bush plan.
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Just pass that Chateau Petrus right over here and I'll make sure it doesn't bother you anymore
save me some!
KFC is a terrorist organization. Ask any chicken.
Apropos of nothing, we illegally crossed the Canadian border today!
One of the great advantages of growing up middle class in New Orleans is that you were introduced very early, maybe around age 10, to decent wine.
The cheapest stuff I ever bought was Bolla's Valpolicella or Bardolino which cost about $2.79 a bottle in 1971. Back then a case of Bud was about six bucks. If I remember correctly.
A few times a friend offered me Mateus, or Blue Nun, or Black Cat, and I sipped it politely, thinking, goodness, I have to offer him some Moulin a Vent or Fleurie.
Brokeback is on Bravo at 8.
I like beer. It makes me a jolly good fellow.
And snarky.
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Jeffraham Prestonian
Red wine turns me into an absolute bastard.
Even though I hear it's good for me.
I like beer. It makes me a jolly good fellow.
And snarky.
Oh, fer shur...
Y'all are gonna hate me by the time I conk out tonight.
Been known to drink the 'bird. Had an uncle who was so cheap it's what he bought, when he wanted something other than beer.
I loved that man.
Rmj, Poor Man's Theologist
May he rest in peace. I tried it once and decided it was better to be sober or just do drugs. Come to think of it, at some point I quit drinking for a couple of years because it interfered with my drug consumption.
FALLUJAH, Iraq - Only a short time ago the city of Fallujah served as stronghold for insurgents. Daily skirmishes, improvised explosive device detonations and public unease made operating a business in the city very difficult.
Hopefully the water there is better than it is in Baghdad.
No telling, of course. NPR regularly reports on how "violence is down" without mentioning there is no water to drink.
This election may come down to a debate over the semantic differences between timelines and time horizons.
Nah. Just wait until the media brings missing white women and shark attacks into the picture.
And it's always 5 o'clock somewhere. But it's a lousy way to tell time.
Also, even a broken clock is right twice a day.
Which pretty much is the story of the petulant three year old malassministration.
A clerk at Home Depot, who was helping load some whiskey barrel halves in our car, told me that if you poured a layer of water into the bottom of the barrel and let it soak for a while, it made a pretty good brew.
Upsidasium
Good grief!
How scary is that?!?!
Upsidasium, oh my god. where his eyes pointed in the same direction?
A clerk at Home Depot, who was helping load some whiskey barrel halves in our car, told me that if you poured a layer of water into the bottom of the barrel and let it soak for a while, it made a pretty good brew.
Upsidasium
Second hand smoke?
Hard to be violent when you're dead.
A clerk at Home Depot, who was helping load some whiskey barrel halves in our car, told me that if you poured a layer of water into the bottom of the barrel and let it soak for a while, it made a pretty good brew.
Upsidasium
Toby pick up a new gig?
I don't think I'd try that on a bet. Have you? Any good?
Haven't tried it but it is apparently selling like nobody's business. Apparently very good.
I am against artificial timetables.
On the other hand, I am perfectly happy with natural timetables. And if the prime minister of Iraq says that a 16 month time timetable for troop withdrawals sounds about right to him, then that's as natural as it gets.
Hard to be violent when you're dead.
Richard
Dehydration will take the fight out of you. Eventually.
If cholera or dystentery don't do it first.
brewing liberally: Upsidasium, oh my god. where his eyes pointed in the same direction?
Hey, nao!
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I have to offer him some Moulin a Vent or Fleurie.
David Derbes, ochen' pissed.
Morgon! Regnie!
Shit, people are falling all over themselves buying Pinot Noirs that aren't fit to drink while great Beaujolais Crus are languishing on the shelf!
Toby pick up a new gig?
The wood preservatives are a good buzz, so the kids tell me these days.
One thing that won't be debated, however, is how many Iraqis are dead, maimed, or orphaned as a result of this illegal, misbegotten war.
Hmmm, that could explain why we never were able to glow plants successfully in whiskey barrels...
Apropos of nothing, we illegally crossed the Canadian border today!
No passports or a notarized letter from Mom or Dad?
Apropos of nothing, we illegally crossed the Canadian border today!
Did you bring beer?
Squirt some air through your meat.
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What exactly does violence is down even mean? Lulls are a part of, certainly not a deviation from, 4genwar, and the British policy in Basra for a long time was to keep the fuck out of trouble and claim to be better than the Americans for not knocking on beehives with sticks. That doesn't mean anything as far as the bee population goes.
Just wait until the media brings missing white women and shark attacks into the picture.
Shark attacks are related to global climate change.
Shit, people are falling all over themselves buying Pinot Noirs that aren't fit to drink while great Beaujolais Crus are languishing on the shelf!
SteveLG
Not on my shelf. They die painless in this house.
I like beer. It makes me a jolly good fellow.
And snarky.
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Jeffraham Prestonian
Me too. I don't do so well with sulfites anymore. It gives me a headache. Which reminds me. I'm out of beer. Better get to the store.
Later, lovely people.
As hockey season is over, CBC is showing Pulp Fiction tonight. Less violence.
Before we've even gotten to the Time Vectors?
No. Now I'm thinking now would be good.
McCain now calls for an azimuth for getting out of Iraq.
One thing that won't be debated, however, is how many Iraqis are dead, maimed, or orphaned as a result of this illegal, misbegotten war.
but but but now they have KFC!!
/wingnut
every day, every American should have his/her nose rubbed in this, with pictures.
What exactly does violence is down even mean?
The surge worked. Now it's safe to stay.
If the surge didn't work, we'd have to stay.
See why the first one's better?
Before we've even gotten to the Time Vectors?
Damn, did I come in late again?
hat exactly does violence is down even mean?
That everyone left?
okay, you're not paying attention. Focus. the war is over (sansi-belt boyz) not only that, 15 out of 18 objectives have been met.
you guys really hate amerika, don't you?
Horizons? Is it twilight in America?
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okay, you're not paying attention. Focus. the war is over (sansi-belt boyz) not only that, 15 out of 18 objectives have been met.
Mission accomplished! Bring home the troops!
Yah!
How are you doing, Hecate? Summer going nicely?
15 out of 18 objectives have been met.
No, they haven't. And you can't even name the 15 you claim have been met.
What exactly does violence is down even mean?
Nobody left to kill.
Did you bring beer?
I wanted to sprint to the nearest gas station and grab some Molson Export, but E wouldn't let me.
no, we won. we can't bring them home. i don't know why but we can't.
but those last three objectives!! we need ot meet those first!!
15 out of 18 objectives have been met.
Marshall Petain keeps his promises!
Gotta go foraging. back l8trz.
Very interesting recent historical timelines:
http://www.historycommons.org/ti...g/
timelines.jsp
Moylan's IPA gets a thumbs-up.
See you all, post-dinner.
Don't forget timeframes.
The Surge = passing the blame for political failures onto military personnel.
no, we won. we can't bring them home. i don't know why but we can't.
brewing liberally
Because then we'll un-win?
I'm with Hecate: NOW is the correct answer, but with an asterisk for the Iraqis:
*1. The oil is yours. Pay no attention to the white boys in suits waving checkbooks.
2. The address to the Hague is in this envelope. Please feel free to check with them if you have any complaints.
Mrs. U is in the driveway with boat wax. Later, bats...
hey I don't make the news. some times I just step in it. happened to be surfing the channels, hit fukz news and they said this. 15 of 18. of course there was no discussion of how this is utter bullshit. just believe.
15 out of 18 objectives have been met.
I look forward to the massive welcome parade for our troops next week.
Objectives #1-#15 all have something to do with raising the price of oil.
Was the McCain't campaign's spokesperson's "We're fucked" comment quoted at TPM, btw?
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the right-wing has been wanking on this war so fiercely that calling it a victory, and bringing everyone home would be sort of an 'anti-climax'.
the true cost would make itself know mor and more, and their would be no fun war juices to get high on.
There is this book we regret not nabbing when we saw it in a used book shop, where it was a sort of omnibus of all major historical timelines in world history.
Objective #1 was getting Vizier Bremer a decent latte in the Green Zone. That was a doozy.
ack! 'there'.. and 'more'
15 out of 18 objectives have been met.
We took Hamburg! On to Berlin!
BjorkBjorkBjorkBjorkBjork
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Silent Soldiers on a silver screen
Framed in fantasies and dragged in dream
Unpaid actors of the mystery
The mad director knows that freedom will not make you free
And what's this got to do with me
I declare the war is over
It's over, it's over
Objective #2 was ensuring the death of Sergio Vieira de Mello
I love the brilliant TNGOP strategery.
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Objective 3: teach adorable Iraqi boys the joy of baseball.
"I believe 9/11 could have been prevented if we'd had a Republican president at the time,"
/Florida republican
http://edition.cnn.com/2008/POLI.../911.billboard/
I'm going back to teh pool.
d/t
Vicki, in streaming video, hurkey-jerkey as it was, it was WONDERFUL!
There must be a stored copy somewhere. Maybe if you go to the NetNewts video facility which was referenced this morning?
Such ease, such grace, such style - Vicki, the man used the word detritus accurately and without a care....
It just breaks my heart.
#8 Establish Baghdad Neighborhood Security Plan.
#16 Establish Parliamentary Minority Rights Plan.
#14 Enact Baghdad Neighborhood Security Plan.
Those are the only ones that have been met. And I dispute those three.
Objective #2 was ensuring the death of Sergio Vieira de Mello
leibniz leibkins ♘☮
Objective 3: teach adorable Iraqi boys the joy of baseball.
Jay C.
Objective 4: Paint some schools, and tell the world about it.
hard to teach one legged boys how to play soccer.
Oh. objective #5, ignore the first four.
OK. So it still isn't 5:00.
But it wouldn't be pizza without beer, and I would hate to throw away that leftover ZPizza from last night.
Columnist writes about how Americans don't know what irony is, manages to define irony incorrectly.
the right-wing has been wanking on this war so fiercely that calling it a victory, and bringing everyone home would be sort of an 'anti-climax'.
mingo
For rightwing cowards the crying after losing a fight sometimes hurts more than the fat lip.
Objective 4: high speed internet porn available in Tikrit
When the streets of America are filled with PSTD suffering soldiers returned from The Shit, that's when we'll know that we've experienced victory.
"I believe 9/11 could have been prevented if we'd had a Republican president at the time,"
I believe 9/11 could have been prevented if Barbara Bush had given a blow job in 1945.
Zoe Lofgren on Cspan says she voted against Fisa but believes the criticism is overwrought. She says there was an immunity provision in the old law and a 50/50 chance the telcos would have gotten immunity anyway. She says the new bill has improvements in civil liberties and gives oversight to the Judiciary committee
Mrs. U is in the driveway with boat wax.
No flirting!
Snow, note that those three "met" objectives are just getting a "plan" in place.
Doesn't say shit about actually accomplishing the objectives of the plans themselves.
Dreamworks sued for insulting the country's
national symbol in "Kung Fu Panda": "Designing the panda with green
eyes is a conspiracy. A panda with green eyes has the feeling of evil"
We took Hamburg! On to Berlin!
MisterX
No, no and no.
First we take Manhattan, then we take Berlin.
This election may come down to a debate over the semantic differences between timelines and time horizons.
-Atrios
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Nah...It's going to come down to old, boring and the same old same old verses young, new, exciting and change. Oh and the haves verses the have nots.
Al Gore: Heh. Tony Snow's still dead.
Is Ed Hale gonna do his radio show, tonight?
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Mrs. U is in the driveway with boat wax.
TMI.
(need to find out how to do your emoticon thingies)
There was no way FISA wasn't going to be passed because the Telcos were going to squawk about pre-IX/XI domestic spying by the government. Congress is covering itself up as much as it is covering up for the telcos. Complaining about this is in the same class of naivete as
Nadervoting.
Zoe Lofgren says the new (FISA) bill has improvements in civil liberties and gives oversight to the Judiciary committee
pill
Funny how these DNC types can't ever seem to articulate what these vague improvements are. Or fess up to how much they pocketed in telcom bribes, er I mean lobbying contributions.
think I just found out.
the red-faced, scowly one is the most useful - how do you do that?
verses young, new, exciting and change.
aka FISA, win in Afghanistan!, committed xian called to serve, and yawn.
I'm voting for him, but I don't want him pissing on my leg and telling me it's raining.
So, I hear Baghdad neighbourhoods are secure now. Well, more secure than Philly, anyway.
I'm voting for him, but I don't want him pissing on my leg and telling me it's raining.
Hecate, Runnymeade Conspirator | Homepage | 07.19.08 - 7:03 pm | #
It's not actually your LEG that these guys--ours or theirs--piss on.
Complaining about this is in the same class of naivete as
Nadervoting.
k&y4dk,obamastani
Complaining about the abnegation by Congress of civil liberties is exactly like throwing away your vote on Nader. Wait, how?
Legal victory over sexist, bullying and knockerphobic boss.
anybody know a good site for global climate change info? i mean something i can use to debate wingnuts that cite people like lonborg and lord monckton.
note that those three "met" objectives are just getting a "plan" in place.
No. Two are plans, including a plan for Baghdad Security, and one is the enactment of the Baghdad Security Plan.
Given the violence in Baghdad, the plan has not been successfully enacted, which gives rise to questioning whether it is a viable plan. The lack of minority rights in Parliament, belies the accomplishment of devising a plan for that as well.
My scorecard remains 0 for 18. But even if you consider the plans to have been devised, the only accomplishments they can point to are coming up with a plan for two things. 2 Plans?
pretzelattack, try http://realclimate.org
pretzle
I like Heat is Online, linked in my blog roll.
pretzelattack try the vatican website. pope ratzo is quite the treehugger apparently. Who knew?
Is Ed Hale gonna do his radio show, tonight?
Hopefully is too perplexed by the phrase "imaginary Democrat Party" to perform for the radio today.
Zoe Lofgren voted against the new Fisa bill but she took a bribe from the telcos? That's a smart woman!
http://eschaconnw.blogspot.com/
Hey folks. I have a main page post up at FireDogLake. I was by request from someone there
Check me out!
http://firedoglake.com/2008/07/1...d-for-business/
Of course I will need a few of you to comment because nobody knows me there.
Like Steve Simels I will come to your house and nerve pinch your noisy neighbor if you comment.
thanks! melior and hecate
Legal victory over sexist, bullying and knockerphobic boss.
Hee - shall I tell u how much I walked away with, without the sons of bitches ever admitting their fault? That is the one thing I regret. I do wish that I'd got the SOBs on the record...
However - at least they've destroyed themselves entirely. If you only knew just how dreadfully their lives have progressed....
Back to teh pool!
Wait, how?
Because (1) they aren't just covering the asses of their lobbyist friends whom they'd die for, they're actually covering their own asses, and you are asking them to be selfless as they scramble to cover their asses. (2) THEY NEGATED YOUR LIBERTIES ALREADY AB! THAT'S WHAT THIS IS ABOUT! (3) Just as Nader had numerous admirable talking points and no way to acheive them, the idea that it sure would be nice if Congress didn't fuck us all has nothing to do with modern American government and is just a nice wish.
What are we being allowed to vote on? We are only being allowed to vote on one narrow foreign policy generality. Obama represents 100% improvement in what we are being allowed to vote on: no more brainless warmongering.
Zoe Lofgren voted against the new Fisa bill but she took a bribe from the telcos? That's a smart woman!
pill
Neat trick, voting against only when passage is assured. It's done all the time.
Obama represents 100% improvement in what we are being allowed to vote on: no more brainless warmongering.
k&y4dk,obamastani
A step away from brainless warmongering would be nice; so would defending the Constitution.
Obama represents 100% improvement in what we are being allowed to vote on: no more brainless warmongering.
k&y4dk,obamastani
Very true. But loudly objecting to the paid get-out-of-jail-free card for the telecoms is not at all the same as throwing your vote away. Shutting up and saying nothing can be done is more like Nader voting.
anybody know a good site for global climate change info? i mean something i can use to debate wingnuts that cite people like lonborg and lord monckton
These rhetorical tools may be the only way to convince the willfully stupid.
http://www.batsbatsbats.com/Bats.html
Obama represents 100% improvement in what we are being allowed to vote on: no more brainless warmongering
Oh, I'm sure Afghanistan -- we will win this war -- will be brainy as all get out.
What melior said.
So, I hear Baghdad neighbourhoods are secure now. Well, more secure than Philly, anyway.
Southern Baghdad allegedly has more access to potable water, too!
they aren't just covering the asses of their lobbyist friends whom they'd die for, they're actually covering their own asses, and you are asking them to be selfless as they scramble to cover their asses.
That's a false equation. You overlook the obvious alternative: running hard and with integrity against the telecoms. Public opinion is strongly against them, so the idea they can't raise money this way and they are committing political suicide, is naive.
"The Dark Knight" shatters the single day box office record with $65 million dollars on Friday.
anybody know a good site for global climate change info? i
Real Climate has many pages devoted to arguing the case:
http://www.realclimate.org/index.../05/start-here/
"The Dark Knight" shatters the single day box office record with $65 million dollars on Friday.
k&y4dk,obamastani
Another dead person making a shitload more money than me.
Bah.
That's a false equation. You overlook the obvious alternative: running
hard and with integrity against the telecoms. Public opinion is
strongly against them, so the idea they can't raise money this way and
they are committing political suicide, is naive.
This is nonsense; you are ignoring the central issue if you are depending on integrity no one has. Public opinion would be for them by way of realpolitick if they carried out their threat of becoming honest where the government (which you are depending on for integrity) had not.
Cristabol is now north of Charleston with atmospheric pressure of 1000 mb AND DROPPING.
Eh?
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Spocko, of course you're right.
Every law on the books is a "regulation". Businesses cannot do business without law. Otherwise their rivals would be free to do whatever they wished: shoot their delivery people, blow up their warehouses, intimidate their customers, and so on.
All right, these are extreme cases, but we all know of cases (cough Microsoft cough) where rivals were effectively shut out of markets by illegal tactics, for which MS has paid many hundreds of millions in fines, if not in this country, certainly in the EU.
Every law on the books is a "regulation". Businesses cannot do business without law. Otherwise their rivals would be free to do whatever they wished: shoot their delivery people, blow up their warehouses, intimidate their customers, and so on.
David Derbes, ochen' pissed.
in fact, I read an interesting article not too long ago on the hinternets about a main problem in African economies is a lack of basic civil law and protections. Which means that if you work hard and build up a business, there is nothing preventing a gangster from taking it from you. Which is what happens, and severely limits the economy.
This is nonsense; you are ignoring the central issue if you are depending on integrity no one has.
k&y4dk,obamastani
If you really believe this, you have just talked yourself into BOHICA as your only remaining strategy.
Me, I don't believe it's so rigged we should all shut up and act like it's inevitable. I believe in exerting negative and positive pressure to influence my elected officials.
'don like Afghanistan. Russkies couldn't win and it was, like, their back yard.
First we take Manhattan, then we take Berlin.
Moe Szyslak
They sentenced me to twenty years of boredom
For trying to change the system from within
I'm coming now, I'm coming to reward them
First, we take Manhattan, then we take Berlin
I'm guided by a signal in the heavens
I'm guided by the birthmark on my chin
I'm guided by the beauty of our weapons
First we take Manhattan, then we take Berlin
I'd really love to live beside you baby
I love your spirit and your body and your clothes
But you see that line that's moving through the station
I told you, I told you, I told you,
I was one of those
When you're lost and alone on Afghanistan's plains
And the women come out to cut up what remains
Just roll on your rifle and blow out your brains
And go to your God like a soldier.
Kipling
The Brits didn't have a good time in Afghanistan.
Back from the walk. 89°, no breeze and humid. Hot for here.
don like Afghanistan. Russkies couldn't win and it was, like, their back yard.
SteveLG | 07.19.08 - 7:25 pm | #
Yeah, but they were Commies, and their Commie economy couldn't stand up to the logistical problems.
Our capitalist economy, however, is so strong--and Godly--that supply lines of a mere 12,000 miles is to be laughed at.
Glad someone gets my references.
Glad you make 'em, Moe.
:yes:
don like Afghanistan. Russkies couldn't win and it was, like, their back yard.
SteveLG | 07.19.08 - 7:25 pm | #
We don't have to worry about us arming the taliban like we did in the '80's. Um, I guess.
Blowback: It's what's for dinner.
Seriously come over and comment. I'm dying over there. I feel like I'm on stage and nobody is laughing at my witty jokes.
I think I'll have the fewest responses ever to a post at FDL
http://firedoglake.com/2008/07/1...d-for-business/
Blowback: It's what's for dinner.
very hard to digest.
Though try he may, McCain can't keep disguisin'
His lines beneath a pancake of horizon.
Nice Kipling reference, Adam.
Then there's "Anthem":
The wars they will
Be fought again
The holy dove
Be caught again
Bought and sold
And bought again
The dove is never free
Ring the bells that still can ring / Forget your perfect offering / There is a crack in everything /Thats how the light gets in
We asked for signs
The signs were sent
The birth betrayed
The marriage spent
The widowhood
Of every government
Signs for all to see
this calls for:
...
If in some smothering dreams, you too could pace
Behind the wagon that we flung him in,
And watch the white eyes writhing in his face,
His hanging face, like a devil's sick of sin,
If you could hear, at every jolt, the blood
Come gargling from the froth-corrupted lungs
Bitter as the cud
Of vile, incurable sores on innocent tongues, --
My friend, you would not tell with such high zest
To children ardent for some desperate glory,
The old Lie: Dulce et decorum est
Pro patria mori.
Spocko,
You don't get paid by the comment, do you?
I think lots of people know and respect you. Don't worry if a Saturday evening post doesn't rile up enough people.
Price of oil will zoom up on Monday:
World powers' latest bid to make Iran halt its nuclear programme stalled Saturday as high-level talks involving US and Iranian officials ended without a deal and Washington warned of possible further "confrontation."
"I think I'll have the fewest responses ever to a post at FDL"
hey ya got 20 comments.
not a bad post, btw.
Obama had the good sense to grant Lara Logan his first interview in Afghanistan.
Well, first you have to get an account... love ya, Spocko, but it's pretty involved to comment over there.
This picture captures what it is like to leave an Atriot thread.
Death or glory
it's just another story
HEY spocko, I hate having to register to leave a comment.
HEY spocko, I hate having to register to leave a comment.
This is the same thing that has prevented us from commenting at Steve's new gig.
Well, I had already registered and left the best comment I could, considering I'm losing a battle with a migraine.
Neener, neener.
"Well, first you have to get an account..."
On the plus side, if someone pisses you off, you can tell them to delete your account.
Gromit, migraines are teh suck. I had them frequently prior to my hysterectomy in 2000. Unfortunately, that's not an option for you.
Innovative financing is made out of people!
Hullo from MacBook.
Blowback: It's what's for dinner.
Troublesome to prepare, and tastes awful, no matter how you try to disguise it.
Zap Rowsdower: Hullo from MacBook.
How is Zappette at this hour, mang?
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Oh Gromit, sorry if you're getting a migraine. I've never had one myself, but I've heard they are like the earaches I had when I was a child. Worst pain ever.
Zap, how's Zapette?
more on Bushie's broken army:
http://www.newportnewstimes.com/...news/
news13.txt
Marc Ambinder sez that one Republican strategist tells him that in light of what Maliki has been saying, John McCain is "fucked." Sweet.
Oh Gromit, I am so understanding your pain. I had migraines from the age of 5 till about four years ago. Why they stopped I don't know, but I hope I never have another one.
I got migraines where my left eye would go blind for a few hours. Very disconcerting. They aren't as bad now, but I cannot read with one.
It rejected "Moe Szyslak" for the space, do I went back and did it without the space. Then, Three times it took me to get the letters/number code right. Now I have to go somewhere else to click on something else...
She's resting right now, Jeffraham. Thanks for asking. We can't get into a doc 'til Monday, so we've gotta tread carefully.
Still wanna beer, though.
FDL wouldn't except a three letter name when they changed their system. I couldn't think what to type in, so I didn't register.
I love watching reruns of Lawrence Welk. It reminds me of my grandma and grandpa. They loved that show.
For all the other problems I have had, migranes (actually, headaches, in general) have not been an issue.
If I get a flu virus, I might get a head-splitter.
Other times, very minor, but never debilitating.
Maybe get a couple of mild headaches a year.
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I love watching reruns of Lawrence Welk. It reminds me of my grandma and grandpa. They loved that show.
I....thought I was the only one!
I....thought I was the only one!
Yay! You must be the boy with the tatoo like mine!
Thanks for the sympathy, mes amis. I just spent too much time out in the sun today. The glare from the lake did me in, methinks. But I can deal. Thanks again.
Oh Vicki, my mom use to love Lawrence Welk.
1...and uh...2 and uh 3.
Remember the Lennon Sisters, I do.
Zap, has she taken her temp?
my mom use to love Lawrence Welk.
Not to be too corny, but what a fun show.
Yeah, Sallyh. It dropped a little, but not too dramatic.
She stopped spotting, though. And the cramps seem to have subsided.
Zap, I think as long as she spends the weekend off her feet, she'll be okay.
Now be a good husband and get her all the chick flicks, books and favorite foods she craves
more on Bushie's broken army:
How does recruiting jail inmates go with the pious patriotic meme that our troops represent the "best of America"? Both Repugs and Dems espouse this righteous claptrap.
Using "Bless his/her little heart" to mean exactly the opposite always seemed like a uniquely Southern expression to me, but Nancy Pelosi whipped it out on Chimpy today.
"Well, you know, God bless him, bless his heart, the president of the United States, a total failure, losing all credibility with the American people on the economy, on the war, on energy, you name the subject."
Vicki, so when you headed to Branson?
http://www.welkbranson.com/defau...t.asp?
idno=6563
Now be a good husband and get her all the chick flicks, books and favorite foods she craves
Waaay ahead of ya.
And we're gonna watch The Wire instead of The L-Word, thankyouverymuch.
Toons!
Someone made a comment this morning, and I wish I recalled who--they said that if Blackwater isn't reined in within the first six months of Obama's administration, we'll soon be fighting against Blackwater on our own soil. That's a bet I'd take, unfortunately.
so when you headed to Branson?
http://www.welkbranson.com/defau...t.asp? idno=6563
I think I'd really like to hit the "Tony Orlando and The Lennon Sisters" gig.
Zap, you truly are a wonderful expectant father.
http://www.welkbranson.com/defau...t.asp? idno=6563
Wow! Tony Orlando and the Lennon Sisters!!
Hi Sallyh,
I'm taking a break from installing a new water heater.
Yeah, Blackwater worries me. There's what -- about 50,000 of these fuckers, armed to the teeth.
Well, I know it sounds nuts, but I'm going to hit the hay. Peace.
Time to rouse Zapette from her slumber.
Later! 
The only thing I remember from Lawrence Welk is the bubbles. The bubbles were cool
Well, I'm still waiting for that email from firedoglake. Maybe it's coming snail mail.
So catch me up, since I haven't been around today. Have our trolls' heads asploded over the news that al-Maliki wants us to withdraw?
BADBOYSBADBOYS!
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Toons, and I don't think having a criminal background precludes employment at Blackwater--hell, it may be a preferred quality.
You're installing a water heater? Monsieur did that once. He got a lot of man props at work on Monday.
Next time we had to replace ours (10 years later), we paid someone to do it. Monsieur figured he'd proved his manliness already.
Jeffraham, are you watching Cops again???
I don't know if my mom even knows about reruns of Lawrence Welk. She is into the Andy Griffith show. She loves that. Damn, she turned 86 last week. I hope I live that long if I'm in as good as shape as she is.
Sallyh -- My hat's off to Monsieur. Hooking the thing up does not appear to be much of a problem, but wrestling it into place in the little closet-like space in our house is hell.
Sallyh: Jeffraham, are you watching Cops again???
Always!
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Looks like they got to Maliki already:
Iraqi PM disputes report on withdrawal plan
But a spokesman for al-Maliki said his remarks "were misunderstood, mistranslated and not conveyed accurately."
Government spokesman Ali al-Dabbagh said the possibility of troop withdrawal was based on the continuance of security improvements, echoing statements that the White House made Friday after a meeting between al-Maliki and U.S. President Bush.
http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/me...bama/
index.html
And FDL won't let me log in.
I guess FDL just wants to piss people off.
I love watching reruns of Lawrence Welk. It reminds me of my grandma and grandpa. They loved that show.
The Jackie Gleason Show was always on at my grandparents Sunday evenings.
"Hooking the thing up does not appear to be much of a problem, but wrestling it into place in the little closet-like space in our house is hell."
In my old life as a maintenance worker, used to smash fingers on three occasions.
1. manhole covers.
2. moving refrigerators
3. hot water heaters.
I'd get a hand caught between the dolly and the door frame every time. hurt like a mofo.
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Toons, we too have this little tiny space in the laundry room that made the chore difficult. Our hookups actually were a royal pain in the ass.
we'll soon be fighting against Blackwater on our own soil.
I like what a regular said the other day.
They'd all be hanging from bridges before they could take all of us out.
Ummmm, say what you want you guys. McCain compared to Obama is very old 72 years old. Now, I don't think I have to say more about Obama or McCain. Remember what happened when Regan was in Oval office. He got Alzheimer. Think about it. Plus, McCain skin look youngish to be 72 years old. Obviously, he had plastic surgery lol...Go Obama 2008.
That table in Paris, was it round or square?
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