I'MMA LET YOU FINISH
aha
Habeas Corpus: Infuriating Conservatives since 1215.
aha2
oh well, at least I beat TKK and mer.
FUCK THE GOP
(realizes he does not worship Bruce Springsteen.)
Leibniz, is the beatification of Timmy ongoing?
Old Man, I'm guessing you're doing well this morning...you're not working 
Deal with this, Dumbya and Huggy Bear:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/
wp...8061302019.html
Ya, great article, but as a mixed race Merkin myself, the title made me wince. Some editor at the Nation needs to spend a few days in Alabama to understand the power of oppression associated with the word "boy'.
"Chicago Boys" was a reference to this.
No. MSNBC's live coverage has ended. It's "Viva,Viagra!" now.
sallyh-
someone on the last thread compared it to the somber music for days on Russian radio after the death of a high level Kremlin apparatchik. And Russert was an apparatchik of the first order.
Habeas Corpus: Infuriating Conservatives since 1215.
The Old Man From Scene 24
Why do Republicans hate us for our freedoms?
McCain ads.
From Atrios
plantsman, another good reason to keep the TV off.
Old Man, I'm guessing you're doing well this morning...you're not working
I don't remember the last time I worked on a weekend!
Actually its time for me to visit my second favorite brewpub and get some supplies for the weekend.
oh well, at least I beat TKK and mer.
If McCain wants to pay Atrios out of campaign funds, I'm good with it.
We just reviewed trailers and have decided to go see "Young At Heart" tonight. Senior citizens performing rock and roll.
Just thought you'd all like to know. 
Looks like Stephen King Day on Scifi.
Rats, no liveblogging from 4Legs and me.
We need some new material, dammit.
Oops. Last night's Brokaw Timmeh-fest is on now.
I wonder who will host Press the Meat, now.
Faux News isn't thinking that Obama will lose, instead the pressure is for Obama so he will listen up and toe the line. (which seems likely, anyway)
Weisman wasn't the first reporter to use the "just kidding" defense after inappropriately and baselessly linking Obama to a controversial figure. CNN commentator Jeff Greenfield (now with CBS) compared Obama's tendency to wear shirts with open collars to Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad's preferred style of dress. When criticized by, among others, Columbia Journalism Review, Greenfield claimed he had been kidding, that he meant the commentary as a "patently absurd parody of muddled political thinking" and lashed out at his critics.
HUMORLESS LIBERALS!
Gromit, we seem to be reaching an age where we can start relating to the term 'senior citizen.'
From an earlier thread because you damn East Coasters wake up so early:
Often it's quite hard to figure out just where various bits of wingnuttery comes from. Dick Cheney got his from George Will. From which orifice did Will get it?
From an unnamed source at Blair House
Why did Des Moines put up a sand barrier? In my formative years in the backyard sandbox, I learned that sand barriers were really neat if you wanted massive destruction.
gallup wants us to believe that the current mood in america is obama 46%, mcbomb 43%.
bwahahahaha is all i have to say on that...
dead-threaded:
Shit. My friend wants $350 for the puppy I was gonna get, and she never even brought up paying for it for at least two weeks ... well after my kids met the puppy and got used to the idea of having one.
So now I'm between a rock and a hard place. Pay money I can't afford or break my kids' hearts. Or lose a friend. Or some combination thereof. Shit.
Deal with this, Dumbya and Huggy Bear:
Dunno about McCain, but I think W has officially checked out for the duration. Can't seem to rouse himself to do anything other than say the same old shit about the same old things.
MP, I want CoT to take the anchor seat.
Why did Des Moines put up a sand barrier?
It's all they had.
Why did Des Moines put up a sand barrier?
I blame Attaturk.
Leibniz, I'm guessing that as a youngster, engaging in mass destruction was a preferred activity
sinfonian,
we just had that discussion in our house. two of our three dogs have been pound alumni.
take your kids there, they can pick out there own puppy.
Regarding Huggy Bear ads, if this is the best d00d can do, it's gotta suck to be him.
But journalists need to do more than understand the intent and effect of false rumors pushed by the right. They need to understand how their own reporting and commentary have similar effects, regardless of their intent. They need to understand that they have a responsibility that goes beyond being careful not to spread (intentionally or otherwise) these bogus right-wing themes; they also have a responsibility to aggressively report the truth. There is a broad smear campaign being waged against Barack Obama, and it is long past time for the media to expose and debunk those smears, not play into them.
But they aren't trained to do that.
Pay it AND tell "friend" she should have made the price plain beforehand.
It's all they had.
plantsman, | Homepage | 06.14.08 - 12:09 pm | #
See? We'll have full employment in our senior years, filling up sandbags to protect rich folks' properties. It'll be at gunpoint, but they will feed us.
Sinfonian, got PayPal?
We could do the pass the hat thing.
we just had that discussion in our house. two of our three dogs have been pound alumni.
take your kids there, they can pick out there own puppy.
peterboy
Well, that might be an alternative. Thanks.
Pay money I can't afford or break my kids' hearts
Pay the money. Dogs last over 10 years, a good investment. And children will never forget that you didn't get them that dog. If it's because of money, even worse.
We could take up a collection...
Washington Post reporter Jonathan Weisman responded to a question referencing the possibility of "Osama blowing up the Sears Tower" by writing, "How about Obama blowing up the Sears Tower! I never liked that building anyway." Weisman did add, "Just kidding, folks."
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA-urk
[aneurysm]
Sorry about puppygate, Sinfonian. The kids have to learn that there are limits or else they will grow up to be Republicans.
So now I'm between a rock and a hard place. Pay money I can't afford or break my kids' hearts. Or lose a friend. Or some combination thereof. Shit.
Ouch, Sinf. But I think you've gotta follow through and hope for the best. $350 is not that much compared to the other costs of pet ownership.
and tell your friend you decided you wanted to save a dog that otherwise was going to be put to sleep.
Virginia, imagine if a Dem said that.
Republicans: not funny.
I like how media matters is pretending that it's not valid to ask if Obama has terrorist connections.. even though members of the Democratic Party aren't sure if he does or not!
http://www.politico.com/blogs/
jo...m_persists.html
Fred Hobbs, a [Tennessee] Democratic Party executive committee member representing part of [Rep. Lincoln] Davis’ district, said he understands why Davis is not endorsing Obama and is “skeptical” of the Illinois senator himself.
“Maybe [it’s] the same reason I don’t want to — I don’t exactly approve of a lot of the things he stands for and I’m not sure we know enough about him,” Hobbs said when asked why he thought Davis wasn’t endorsing Obama. “He’s got some bad connections, and he may be terrorist connected for all I can tell. It sounds kind of like he may be.”
We know nothing about B. Hussein Obama, except that he is hilariously underqualified to be President. We don't even know if he's connected with terrorist groups, as some members of the Democrat Party are willing to admit. We owe it to the country to have a full investigation before the election, and if B. Hussein Obama has nothing to hide he'll agree to it.
The ending of last night's battlestar could have been better with distant wolf calls on the soundtrack.
from below - the rudeness and lack of service on us airlines is not universal, but it's obvious that the corps do not care at all.
some of the airline employees are actively hostile, most seem just despirited and hopeless, and the few who try seem beleagured.
Proud to say that the local fishwrap put the floods in Iowa on the front page, and relegated the teebee bobblehead to the fourth page.
Hate, Spite and Hard-Heartedness. GOP Family Values.
hey folks, there are just too many fine puppies waiting for homes at the pounds. I love a good fine breed dog--my first was yellow lab 30 years ago, but the pound dogs who followed were just as wonderful and one was a full-bread abandoned shepherd. the other half dobie half lab; and he was a genius.
Sux, Sinf. No chance of going on a game show any time soon?
sallyh-
Why assume anything has changed?
Not much of a friend, the way it was handled. Tell the kids you were fostering the puppy to see how a dog would fit into their lives. Then take them to the pound. They'll fall in love with the new puppy too.
Just tell your friend no.
gallup wants us to believe that the current mood in america is obama 46%, mcbomb 43%.
bwahahahaha is all i have to say on that...
fokowi
Well, if Gallup sez that you know it's pretty much in the can. The two were trading the lead back anbd forth before. Now it's oscillating between tied and Obama being up 7.
You can take this as a clear sign that this was not meant to be. Save a puppy who has no chance in life. It'll make you and the kids feel really good.
Flight Attendants have been giving back salary and bennies to several carriers for years in contract negotiations. They have every reason to be dispirited.
Since this election is ALL ABOUT PREJUDICE, I wish savvy journalists would start having regular features on the accomplisments of black people, and accomplishments of black people that affect all colors of people.
This is an opportunity. Instead, all we get are these veiled coded jabs, and polling results puzzlingly lower than we expect.
sinf,
That ain't no friend, or at least one that's kind a clueless on the hearts of kids.
Yo! American Chickenshit!
Still waiting for that MOS report, coward.
I like the pound idea as an alternative. But be careful, as our dog is a rescue dog (obtained as a puppy) and somewhat psychotic.
If you have not read Marley and Me, this would be a great time to read it aloud with your kids. Seriously. It's a wonderful book and a great introduction to the realities of life with a dog.
But you gotta get a dog at this point. Otherwise your daughter will be throwing this back in your face in 15 years when she gets out of rehab. And you wouldn't want that.
Apprentice to Darth, that reminds me, I should take a look at our local fishwrap. Since we're a media driven city, it wouldn't shock me if Timmy was on the front page. I hope they at least relegate him to the Calendar section, where entertainment news resides.
Foser is so consistently good. I wish he could get on tv.
What's up with McCain's terrorist connections? Are they fundraising for him internationally?
That ain't no friend, or at least one that's kind a clueless on the hearts of kids.
bo
But keenly mindful of a buck. Save a puppy, Sinf.
that post from media matters is tres depressing.
can americans be that easily duped?
(hey, dont answer that.)
goopers got nothing but trash and lies this time around. plus the 22% who want to preserve their cheap capital gains and dividend bonus payments from the Iraqi war pro-rich policy.
Sinfonian, got PayPal?
We could do the pass the hat thing.
Sallyh, Grandmere Poissonniere
Oh, that's very nice, thanks, but I'm not going to ask my friends to help me pay for a puppy.
I'd better wait until I'm hospitalized or something to hit you people up for cash.
Seriously, thank you.
Then take them to the pound. They'll fall in love with the new puppy too.
Just tell your friend no.
lurker
This gets my vote. Sorry, friend; I just can't go three-fitty right now.
And mixed breed doggies is good people! And you'll be saving a life!
Alternatively you might see if there's a breed rescue down there that has a (probably adult) dog you can help.
Winneta-winneta-winneta.
We have a former shelter pup, too. He farts a lot and ate 3/4 of a large pizza last week, but he is a great addition to the family.
Many pound dogs have better temperaments than pure-bred dogs.
Since this election is ALL ABOUT PREJUDICE, I wish savvy journalists would start having regular features on the accomplisments of black people, and accomplishments of black people that affect all colors of people.
There's only so many stories you can do about affirmative action and model prisoners.
What's up with McCain's terrorist connections? Are they fundraising for him internationally?
Apostate | 06.14.08 - 12:15 pm | #
That's where the money is. Also the guns and drugs
Your friend is basically blackmailing you emotionally, and your kids. Maybe not intentionally, and she probably doesn't think the money will be a hardship. But you should've been told up-front.
It's not really a biggie, and not a friendship killer, but don't fall for the manipulation. Just move on.
I wonder who will host Press the Meat, now.
MP
_________________________________
It's been rumored for months that Katie Couric is on the verge of falling-or-being-pushed from the Moonves Peter-Principle Chair at CBS News.
It's the perfect new slot for her to flounder in!
sinfonian-
On the one hand I understand your frustration. OTOH, there are many many abandoned dogs out there that desperately need homes. Explain the reality to your kids and take them to see potential pets at the pound. Turn this into a "teaching moment" as they say.
But you gotta get a dog at this point. Otherwise your daughter will be throwing this back in your face in 15 years when she gets out of rehab. And you wouldn't want that.
So that was our problem! We didn't get a dog until Mlle was 12
So now I'm between a rock and a hard place. Pay money I can't afford or break my kids' hearts. Or lose a friend. Or some combination thereof. Shit.
Why can't you tell the friend that you hadn't expected to pay for the dog and certainly hadn't budgeted $350?
My friend wants $350 for the puppy I was gonna get, and she never even
brought up paying for it for at least two weeks ... well after my kids met the puppy and got used to the idea of having one.
A) - NOT a friend.
B) - Kids! Now that we understand about having a doggie, we're going to: http://www.rcall.org/index2.html
and find the doggie who needs us most!
C) - Rescue groups and no-kill shelters will be ur best friends 4evah!
Dogs anal glands can be "expressed" by vets to cut down on the stink.
I favor the pound pup. They're the best.
For the record, I've gone the pound puppy route once before, unsuccessfully (she had distemper), but I'm not averse to doing it again. I only agreed to take this dog as a favor to my friend, but I do know the importance of saving dogs at shelters. I definitely will consider that, thanks.
Hecate, Foser would be a refreshing change from Timmy on Press the Meat
There's not much you can do about racists in denial.
I only agreed to take this dog as a favor to my friend
So remind her of that. Why not just be honest with the friend?
Why can't you tell the friend that you hadn't expected to pay for the dog and certainly hadn't budgeted $350?
Apostate
That's what I did.
In fact, I called her just now, as soon as I got her message, and she was crying because one of the other puppies (the one she was going to keep) has pneumonia and she can't afford to do all the treatment.
So I didn't bring it up on the phone. But I e-mailed her and said essentially that.
I imagine we'll negotiate and figure something out. Fact is, I've bonded with this dog already, too.
I only agreed to take this dog as a favor
Sheesh, what's next? She agrees to let you paint her house if you pay her a grand?
We owe it to the country to have a full investigation before the election, and if B. Hussein Obama has nothing to hide he'll agree to it.
American Hawk
bring it on. My guess is, he'd "investigate up" just fine.
and while I'm at it, your ignorant (bigotted) attitude is appalling. Please list each one of your allegations with and explain why they should be taken seriously... if YOU want to be taken seriously.
I only agreed to take this dog as a favor to my friend,
It's a tad strange that you're doing a favor and being asked to pay $350 to do it.
España!
Please list each one of your allegations with and explain why they should be taken seriously... if YOU want to be taken seriously.
He can start with telling us what his MOS was during his purported service in the 'Nam.
Still waiting on that...
If she can't afford to treat a puppy for pneumonia, she ethically should not be running her puppy mill. Or she could be making up stuff to play on your heart strings.
I imagine we'll negotiate and figure something out. Fact is, I've bonded with this dog already, too.
That sounds good, then.
Now, if I end up keeping this original puppy, please don't condemn me for not getting a pound puppy. I'm not going through a puppy mill and in a sense I'm saving a puppy who might not otherwise have a home.
Yeah, I vote pound, too. And the "fostering" story is kosher by me.
This is no friend, if the pups are sick and she can't afford the vet....
I think a thorough investigation of McCain's collaboration with the North Vietnamese is in order. Clearly, he may have been brainwashed.
Sinfonian
Didn't you keep these puppies for awhile? If kids are already attached, negotiate the price down for your kennel/babysitting services.
The McCainian Candidate
Sinf, We'll certainly understand whatever you do. Bonding is important and not to be neglected.
Now, if I end up keeping this original puppy, please don't condemn me for not getting a pound puppy. I'm not going through a puppy mill and in a sense I'm saving a puppy who might not otherwise have a home.
I am SO going to denounce you!
Which shouldn't pinch at all, since we don't know each other from Adam.
You can be certain Obama has been screened because he requires a security clearance to be President.
The two rescue organizations we dealt with in bringing home our Dals were extremely professional and dedicated.
They get turkee every year from me.
B) - Kids! Now that we understand about having a doggie, we're going to: http://www.rcall.org/index2.html
and find the doggie who needs us most!
C) - Rescue groups and no-kill shelters will be ur best friends 4evah!
GWPDA,
.........
know of any similar groups in California???
You can be certain Obama has been screened because he requires a security clearance to be President.
plantsman, | Homepage | 06.14.08 - 12:23 pm | #
Some might call it 'briefed'
Now it's oscillating between tied and Obama being up 7.
Blerb | 06.14.08 - 12:14 pm | #
i did my own polling and gallup is whacked.
in fact, i've often thought about running for political office, so recently i asked a dozen people if they would vote for me. 8 said they would, and 4 said they would not. encouraged by this, i've decided to take another poll, only this time outside of my immediate family...
When I was born, these clowns I lived with tried to make me into a 'fighting' dog - such nonsense. Ended up breaking my eye, a lot of really unpleasant interaction, not enough dinner - the usual. They threw me out.
But - www.aawl.org found me! And then, the tall, Two-Legs showed up!
Couldn't have done it without them.
I foresee a HUGE drop in productivity and stock prices beginning right after Obama's inaugeration, due to millions of week-long block parties.
peterboy - Run a Google on "rescue groups California". Also, Trademark Dave may have suggestions.
peterboy the guy that use to play Bruce Ward on Batman runs a large dog rescue in California.
Google it. He does good work.
look sinfonian, I sent you email with a puppy pledge. Send me your address, and I'll make a donation.
I've been there with disappointing a kid on a dog pick. You don't want to go there.
Here is our pound pup.
From TPM:
Pres '08
June 13 RasmussenObama (D) 49%, McCain (R) 44%
You can be certain Obama has been screened because he requires a security clearance to be President.
Really? What screening was this, and when did it occur?
And these aren't my allegations; a leader IN YOUR OWN PARTY is honest enough to admit that B. Hussein Obama has unknown connections that may be terroristic. Given the wide variety of unsavory characters in his past, this is no surprise.
Don't jump the gun and have your block party after the election. Gotta wait till Obama is in and boosh is gone.
Here is our pound pup.
Willendorf Venus
Patch is a beauty!
AH, you might be a Muslim Terrorist for all I know.
American Hawk, *every* major politician in the whole government has terroristic connections. *It's what they do*
MP - Thanks. We think so, too.
A rescued leibniz cat. She was in very bad shape.
http://farm2.static.flickr.com/
1..._14b7146163.jpg
eh, then play her game and do the dance - feeding into her disorganized drama. good luck.
FBI-CIA screening, Secret Service screening. Background checks.
You can be certain Obama has been screened because he requires a security clearance to be President.
oh and security clearance is no joke. My dad required clearance, and that would mean investigating us kids and our friends, including records going back to the beginning of our lives.
The time my sister's date drove over a corner of the neighbors yard, yup, in the report...
Why I *wasn't allowed* to go to any college demonstrations.
Beautiful kitty, Leibniz. She looks sooo soooft.
Seems to me, the only security clearance check required for a Chief Executive, is to become one.
http://www.shihtzurescue.org/ of South Florida.
Really? What screening was this, and when did it occur?
Jesus Fucking Christ, you really are fucking moron. CIA, FBI, NSA, DHS all do their own deep background checks on presidential nominees. If all you've got are some bullshit lies, McCain is toast. Give it up and shoot yourself now. Its for the good of the country.
Or, as Bob Herbert put it: "He's Black!!!! He's Black!!!"
A second rescued leibniz cat. She was a scrawny kitty full of worms.
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/
1...9e9f97bb7_b.jpg
If she can't afford to treat a puppy for pneumonia, she ethically should not be running her puppy mill. Or she could be making up stuff to play on your heart strings.
leibniz leibkins
It's not a puppy mill. My friend owns a dog and she bred her. That's it.
all of my cats have been rescues. hey, it's not their fault they got a bad deal early in life. they're amazing creatures and not some *other* or *lesser* species.
your friend sounds like a moron. sorry to say. later.
LarryElvis' eyes were infected when Jeffraham got him, he's a beauty now.
all of my cats have been rescues. hey, it's not their fault they got a bad deal early in life. they're amazing creatures and not some *other* or *lesser* species.
Nobody said that rescued animals are in any way other or lesser.
lawdy.
It's Burt Ward and his organization is Gentle Giants Rescue.
They have some lovely dogs.
your friend sounds like a moron. sorry to say. later.
lurker
Well, needless to say, I'm very disappointed in her.
and tell your friend you decided you wanted to save a dog that otherwise was going to be put to sleep.
peterboy
Excellent advise all around and you can even talk yourself into believing it's true.
We have a shelter kitty, too. The hamster we got from the pet store, though.
It's not a puppy mill.
I was engaging in hyperbole so I can get Tim Russert's job.
There's a "ferret rescue" around these parts.
It appears that they are evacuating Des Moines.
It appears that they are evacuating Des Moines.
Maybe sinfonian and his kids can adopt attaturk.
This should be good. My 15YO left the car battery go dead. Now she is looking for the jumper cables and lifting the hood. I am trying to stay out of it. She just came in to say she can't even get the hood open.
BTW, the boyfriend is waiting for me to take her to his house.
Hmmmm, should I help her?
Atta said he lives on a hill. Hope it's a good big one.
It appears that they are evacuating Des Moines.
Gomez | 06.14.08 - 12:36 pm | #
Sure, but is anybody asking the evacuees what they thought about Timmeh?
camelot-
jumping a car battery can be very dangerous if not done correctly.
Given that having a security clearance is no guarantee that you might refrain from blurting out Top Secret information to some asshole pundit like say Bob Novak, I'd say Obama's "dubious" background is not much of an impediment to the Presidency.
Dunno about McCain, but I think W has officially checked out for the duration. Can't seem to rouse himself to do anything other than say the same old shit about the same old things.
Gromit
Good afternoon, friends.
preznit moron sounds more like a automaton than ever these days.
How far is boyfriend's house and how is weather?
Hey! Gentle Giants is who had this guy! http://www.gentlegiantsrescue.co...Dog%
20towel.JPG
Dual-purpose doggie!
Sure, but is anybody asking the evacuees what they thought about Timmeh?
left field, hatin on whitey
They could use his dead body in place of ten sandbags.
It appears that they are evacuating Des Moines.
I'm shocked that anyone outside of Des Moines knows this because it's clearly not as important as the ongoing Timmeh beautification.
OK that was probably tasteless.
I gave my advice and even held back. My real suggestion would be to negotiate the price down AND go the shelter for one. You have two kids don't you?
I realize that is too much work, but I am an 'ole softy.
as the ongoing Timmeh beautification
I presume that is a typo, but it is "found" poetry.
"They have some lovely dogs.
HoneyBearKellyGoGiants"
That is a trip every time I look at it. The video of the dogs all coming out of the house is wild.
Badadada Badada Big Dog!...
Lady Bird Johnson has Timmeh now.
OK that was probably tasteless.
eight sandbags? maybe. but ten, yes you did go over the top.
How far is boyfriend's house and how is weather?
Boyfriends is 1/2 hour away and it is threatening rain.
if you look at this gallup graph, you can see that they do not have their finger on the fucking pulse. gallup has flatlined. heh.
oh and security clearance is no joke. My dad required clearance, and that would mean investigating us kids and our friends, including records going back to the beginning of our lives.
The time my sister's date drove over a corner of the neighbors yard, yup, in the report...
Why I *wasn't allowed* to go to any college demonstrations.
el | 06.14.08 - 12:30 pm |
My former co-worker's dad is a Col. in the Air Force-attorney or something. In college he visited the ancestral homland-Italy-and brought back a Italian Communist Party poster. A couple of days after he got back his dad got a phone call from higher ups wonder why his son was bringing back communist propaganda (this was 199
.
It's not a puppy mill.
I log onto The Daily Puppy site every day.
I hate puppy mills, but I am sick tired of people preaching at folks who (gasp!) obtained their dogs from (horrors) pet stores. These dogs are as loved as the ones rescued from shelters.
I have three dogs...two of which I rescued from the streets.
My Boston, I bought from someone whose litter had pups.
MY FIRST Boston was purchased from a pet store when he was 8 weeks ago and I lost HIM when he was 15.
Sometimes the soapbox shit gets annoying.
Given the wide variety of unsavory characters in his past, this is no surprise.
American Hawk
Hawk, these generalities don't wash here. Please LIST the characters and his association with them. Are you thinking about Ayers?
Here's a clips from wikipedia:
...from an interview Ayers gave to the New York Times on the occasion of the memoir's publication: The reporter quoted him as saying "I don't regret setting bombs" and "I feel we didn't do enough", and, when asked if he would "do it all again" as saying "I don't want to discount the possibility."
Ayers has not denied the quotes, but he protested the interviewer's characterizations in a Letter to the Editor published September 15, 2001: "This is not a question of being misunderstood or 'taken out of context', but of deliberate distortion. Ayers has repeatedly avowed that when he said he had "no regrets" and that "we didn't do enough" he was speaking only in reference to his efforts to stop the United States from waging the Vietnam War.
afternoon moonbats
"Better take an umbrella, hon"
More Ayers:
Ayers is currently a Distinguished Professor at the University of Illinois at Chicago, College of Education. His interests include teaching for social justice, urban educational reform, narrative and interpretive research, children in trouble with the law, and related issues.[22]
I foresee a HUGE drop in productivity and stock prices beginning right after Obama's inaugeration, due to millions of week-long block parties.
Mike
I have a liver on layaway.
One last clip about Ayers:
Ayers was tapped by Chicago Mayor Richard M. Daley to shape that city's now nationally-renowned school reform program.[24] Since 1999 he has served on the board of directors of the Woods Fund of Chicago, an anti-poverty, philanthropic foundation established in 1941. This became controversial in the 2008 United States presidential election, as Barack Obama had served on the board until 2002, with overlapping times of service with Ayers.[25]
When I was born, these clowns I lived with tried to make me into a 'fighting' dog - such nonsense. Ended up breaking my eye, a lot of really unpleasant interaction, not enough dinner - the usual. They threw me out.
People like that should be thrown in jail and the key tossed away.
Them and that asshole in Iraq who tortured that puppy.
I can't stand people who mistreat animals.
I still can't believe we had over 500 lurkers here after Pumpkinhead died yesterday.
What were they doing here?
Gallup's operations in Nebraska have been disrupted by the weather.
This became controversial in the 2008 United States presidential election, as Barack Obama had served on the board until 2002, with overlapping times of service with Ayers.[25]
Why is this "controversial"?
Because dickweed racist assholes have prounounced it so?
Given the wide variety of unsavory characters in his past, this is no surprise.
American Chickenhawk Moron
You must have a lot of unsavory characters in YOUR past.
There has to be SOME reason why you're so stupid and racist.
People like that should be thrown in jail and the key tossed away.
I don't know what they did with the key, but Michael Vick was taken off of the football field and thrown in jail.
Checking in with their preferred community to see what was up, I presume.
Atrios, are you done with the move yet.
It's too bad my wifes old Granny is not still alive. When we first got married, and had a new place to live in the San Francisco East Bay area, she came up with us to meet the movers, and the large Cube truck I drove. She didn't do any of the work, but had me humping like a rabid termite. She had us situated, organized the furniture moved the first day; I was tired and had to work the next.
There has to be SOME reason why you're so stupid and racist.
Terry C, Obama/Clinton 08 | Homepage | 06.14.08 - 12:44 pm | #
He's an American
jumping a car battery can be very dangerous if not done correctly.
Ok, ok, I am going out. Boy is she frustrated because there is something she can't do. I don't think this will happen again.
TTYL
What were they doing here?
If they were from Free Republic, they were probably looking for either good snark to use on their own board (because to them Timmeh was a commie) or looking for some unkind comment to rebroadcast as an example of DFHs not properly respecting the dead.
Or something.
So now I'm between a rock and a hard place. Pay money I can't afford or break my kids' hearts. Or lose a friend. Or some combination thereof. Shit.
My two cents:
Pay the money. Consider it tuition in the school of life. Don't get caught in that situation again. Revalue your "friend's" character in light of this.
I have to do laundry but the thought of that basement in this heat is giving me a headache.
Curious that the McCain campaign is still running that ad below showing an angry Obama next to a pleading Ahaminejad (sp?). That picture of Obama kicks ass. He looks awesome. Seriously, probably one of the most righteously angry pictures of a modern politician. At least that's how I read it.
Hi Moon, how's it?
What were they doing here?
Gomez
Trolling for meanness to take back to the wicked witch of the West. Stupid flying monkeys.
camelot -- help her if she doesn't know what she's doing. Batteries can 'splode.
Back to liveblogging at the homepage ...
I still can't believe we had over 500 lurkers here after Pumpkinhead died yesterday.
What were they doing here?
Gomez
MSNBC is still doing the wailing and gnashing of teeth.
Like I said yesterday, I feel for his family but he was one of the worst enablers of the Bush Regime,
Had he and others done their job properly in 2000, we would not have been saddled with this faux-Texan sociopath who lied us into a war and made us hated throughout the world.
Broder.
We didn't know what kind of a journalist Tim would be -- or even whether he was serious about being one. It didn't take long to figure out that he would be one of the best -- and most fearless -- in the business.
Cathy Martin:
As the Bush administration assessed how to respond to criticism of how the U.S. went to war in Iraq, Cheney's then-chief press aide, Cathie Martin, listed their best option as putting Cheney on "Meet the Press." Martin wrote that "Meet the Press is our best format" because "we control the message a little bit more."
~
I have a liver on layaway.
V for Virginia, discouraged
Hee
the republicants always count on the ignorance and uncaring of the average american electorate - it's how they win
and with a propaganda catapult as large as fuxnews, they get a further boost - their viewers are dumber than rocks
ayers said some stufff--ollie north actually sold weapons to Iran.
Does Baskin-Robbins still have Daiquiri Ice sherbet?
Curious that the McCain campaign is still running that ad below showing an angry Obama next to a pleading Ahaminejad (sp?).
I picked up on that, too.
The McWarLover campaign folks really aren't too bright, are they?
Hi Moon, how's it?
plantsman, | Homepage | 06.14.08 - 12:46 pm | #
its going very well at the moment
been to Swindon today with my mum and indulged in a bit of retail theraphy lol so am a bit tired now
and how is everything in your neck of the woods?
Gallup's operations in Nebraska have been disrupted by the weather.
plantsman, | Homepage | 06.14.08 - 12:44 pm | #
talk about disruptions. i was scheduled to go to san fran on amtrak out of obamaha tomorrow, but the california zephyr that leaves chicago can't get across iowa due to the flooding...
ayers said some stufff--ollie north actually sold weapons to Iran.
The usual rule applies. IOKIYAR.
Given the wide variety of unsavory characters in his past, this is no surprise.
American Chickenhawk Moron
You must have a lot of unsavory characters in YOUR past
Oh hell I've known lots: birchers, racists, hillbillies, SDS and weatherman radicals, Green Beret CIA assassins, tax accountants, a few car salesmen. And a whole lot of nice people.
Some of us learn from the folks we meet.
Why is this controversial?
Barack Obama had served on the board until 2002, with overlapping times of service with Ayers
there is nothing more controversial than a person's time of service overlapping with someone currently being used by republicans in a smear campaign.
LEVEE BREACHED IN NORTH DES MOINES
There's a big pitchur at the link.
Daquiri Ice was Mom's favorite -- thanks for reminding me of it, and I dunno.
It didn't take long to figure out that he would be one of the best -- and most fearless -- in the business.
At the risk of being accused of badmouthing the dead:
Fearless....please!
One of the best at fellating the GOP powers that be? Certainly!
The government only has one interest: opening up new markets for business. Countries that don't agree to be exploited become 'enemies'
...sociopath who lied us into a war and made us hated throughout the world.
Terry C, Obama/Clinton 08
He and his crew were really the worst possible people we could have had at the helm during that period. D'oh!
72% agree now, but I'll bet that a large percentage of that 72% voted for that wastrel twice.
oops - A Tory candidate at the next general election has apologised after he likened Italians to "greasy wops" during a live radio show.
Alun Cairns, a Welsh assembly member, made the gaffe while taking part on Radio Cymru's weekly discussion show Dau o'r Bae on Friday lunchtime.
Towards the end of the show, contributors were asked to say who they would be supporting in the Euro 2008 tournament.
One mentioned that she had written a note saying "boring" next to Sweden, and "nice flag" next to Portugal on a list of teams.
When she said she had written "nice food" next to Italy on the list, Cairns said: "I've written greasy wops."
The presenter, Vaughan Roderick, immediately invited the Tory politician to apologise, which he did, and the programme ended.
Cairns, who is described on his own website as a "conviction politician [with] a record of standing up for what he thinks is right", was said to be regretful of the comment.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/
politi...ervatives.wales
Does Baskin-Robbins still have Daiquiri Ice sherbet?
GWPDA
An intrepid researcher would go to the nearest shop and find out for herself.
Some of us learn from the folks we meet.
Doug
Squawk hasn't.
They could really use those Iowa National Guard troops right about now.
One of the best at fellating the GOP powers that be? Certainly!
Terry C, Obama/Clinton 08 | Homepage | 06.14.08 - 12:49 pm | #
Broder gave him stiff competition in that regard.
~
The McWarLover campaign folks really aren't too bright, are they?
Terry C, Obama/Clinton 08
Indeed. And if they think people care that Obama frequently doesn't wear a tie (as in the picture), they haven't realized that a huge number of average American men wear a tie maybe five times a year or less.
An intrepid researcher would go to the nearest shop and find out for herself.
It's the only reasonable thing to do.
Weather is lovely at last, about 24 Celsius today and sunny -- it came not a moment too soon.
Given the wide variety of unsavory characters in his past, this is no surprise.
American Chickenshit
You mean republicans in the Senate? There's a whole bunch of america hating terrorists right there.
72% agree now, but I'll bet that a large percentage of that 72% voted for that wastrel twice.
MP
As a member of this community has pointed out, it will be interesting to see, a few years from now, how many of the Monkey Boy's most staunch supporters will deny even having voted for him.
boosh's wasteful war is a drop i the bucket compared to the costs incurred in losing 8 whole years in any kind of climate change remediation
Is Uncle Fester here?
Something I just saw about chiropractors:
http://www.cbc.ca/canada/edmonto...ro-
lawsuit.html
Paralyzed Alberta woman sues chiropractors, province for $500M
Laura Bush has killed more people than Ayers has.
You mean republicans in the Senate? There's a whole bunch of america hating terrorists right there.
left field, hatin on whitey
They take their cue from Bush, Cheney and Rove, all of whom hate America with a white hot passion.
how many of the Monkey Boy's most staunch supporters will deny even having voted for him.
Terry C, Obama/Clinton 08 | Homepage | 06.14.08 - 12:51 pm | #
That's why it's important to get photos showing bumper stickers next to license plates
And now, when serious policy discussions mean everything for this country, Rethugs can only pass around sophomoric emails laden with n* jokes.
You might look here:
http://www.baskinrobbins.com/
You must have a lot of unsavory characters in YOUR past
it's important for our critters not to speak to, or be within 15 feet of persons who do not have a security clearance.
Critters like the chimp, who were consistently AWOL from their reserve units, or having records for DRUNK DRIVING are exempt of course.
bet you're wondering how cheney knew
about the cubans plans to drill our crude
with some chinese guys just offshore
even though we need it more
Laura Bush has killed more people than Ayers has.
Ralphie
George Bush has killed more people than Osama bin Laden has.
Many, many more.
As a member of this community has pointed out, it will be interesting to see, a few years from now, how many of the Monkey Boy's most staunch supporters will deny even having voted for him.
Terry C, Obama/Clinton 08
I think that's been happening for a while. In a couple more years, you'd think Gore won in a landslide.
George Bush has killed more people than Osama bin Laden has.
Many, many more.
Terry C, Obama/Clinton 08
Frack, I never thought of it like that before.
Thanks, Terry.
WTF is wrong with my colleagues in the media?
You see a lot less "W'04" stickers than you used to.
And now, when serious policy discussions mean everything for this country, Rethugs can only pass around sophomoric emails laden with n* jokes.
MP
That's all they have.
They would rather be part of the problem than part of the solution.
In fact, they caused the problems.
I think that's been happening for a while. In a couple more years, you'd think Gore won in a landslide.
And there were 8 million Green Bay fans at the Icebowl. I know, I've met most of them.
Does Baskin-Robbins still have Daiquiri Ice sherbet?
GWPDA
Ooh, my favorite.
Americans, directly or thru proxies, have killed what, maybe 40 million since the end of WWII?
Can I nominate a quote of the day? (Do we even have such a thing?) If not, let's have one and here is my nominee. From Albert Camus (Yeah, he's French: so?) RE: Journalism done poorly. (in America there is precious little that is NOT)
"They want to inform quickly, instead of informing well, and truth does not win out in the process."
http://www.smirkingchimp.com/thr...om/thread/
15256
Yeah, I mean YOU.
George Bush has killed more people than Osama bin Laden has.
Many, many more.
Terry C, Obama/Clinton 08
Frack, I never thought of it like that before.
Thanks, Terry.
Ali, spiritual advisor
I mentioned last night that Vince Bugliosi was on Democracy Now talking about prosecuting Bush for murder.
Vince was the guy who put Charlie Manson away.
Hell, Charlie Manson is a piker compared to Bush.
Bush is Charlie Manson with money and connections.
LEVEE BREACHED IN NORTH DES MOINES There's a big pitchur at the link.
I don't think I heard anything about them planning a giant gay pride parade. WTF was God thinking?
Mmm. Baskin-Robbins rocky road.
O' course, it's about 55 degrees out right now.
You see a lot less "W'04" stickers than you used to.
The guy down the road that had a W04 sticker on it, removed that last fall, and still had a Jon Kyl sticker on his bumper; I've noticed that this car has two flats on it, and isn't driven any more.
Nope it wasn't me.
Authorities in Cairo have banned a 92-year-old Gulf Arab man from marrying a 17-year-old Egyptian girl, under laws brought in to counter the increasing number of wealthy Gulf men travelling to the impoverished Egyptian countryside to find much younger, temporary brides.
The ministry of justice invoked a law that says the age gap between spouses should not exceed 25 years, the Egyptian Al-Akhbar newspaper reported. In an indication of how prevalent such marriages are becoming, Al-Akhbar reported that 173 couples with more than 25 years between them wed last year, via a loophole in the law that allows a foreign man to take a much younger bride in exchange for depositing about $80,000 (£41,000) in the Egyptian national bank.
Sociologists say the rising number of cases of this so called "sexual tourism" is driven by the unprecedented wealth flowing into the Gulf from record breaking oil prices, set against the grinding poverty faced by families in countries like Syria and Egypt. "First it's a question of rich versus poor. These rich men use their money to buy girls from very poor families," said Huda Riza, a sociology professor at the Lebanese University. "There is also the cultural tradition in the Arab world among old men who believe having a young girl in their life can bring back their youth."
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/...08/jun/14/
egypt
George Bush has killed more people than Osama bin Laden has.
Hell, Bush has killed more Americans than Osama has.
In 2004, Sen. Kent Conrad was hunting for a lender for a $1.07 million mortgage on his vacation home in Bethany Beach, Del., when an old friend handed him the phone number of Angelo Mozilo.
Conrad (D-N.D.) said yesterday that he sees nothing wrong with calling Mozilo, the chief executive of the nation's largest mortgage lender, Countrywide Financial. And the Senate Budget Committee chairman is adamant that he received no special deals.
But by reaching out to Mozilo, Conrad became another VIP enrolled in the "FOA" -- Friends of Angelo -- loan program.
"[T]ake off 1 point," Mozilo instructed a subordinate in a March 17, 2004, e-mail obtained by Condé Nast Portfolio magazine. In another e-mail that April about a Conrad loan, Mozilo wrote: "Make an exception due to the fact that the borrower is a senator.
Sleazy opportunists.
You see a lot less "W'04" stickers than you used to.
plantsman,
I've seeing far fewer (horrible Chinese-made) yellow magnet ribbons.
The ones ORDERING everyone to "support the troops" when actually what they mean to support Bush and his ego war.
WTF was God thinking?
Honest mistake on God's part. After all, Des Moines shouldn't have taken a French name.
If Baskin-Robbins had fat-free, sugar-free Frozen Dessert , I'd probably try it.
a 92-year-old Gulf Arab man from marrying a 17-year-old Egyptian girl, u
All the Viagra in the world won't help that old coot.
George Bush has killed more people than Osama bin Laden has.
Hell, Bush has killed more Americans than Osama has.
puppethead
Yep.
Prison Break: Afghanistan - Up to 1,000 prisoners, including 400 Taliban militants, were on the run in Kandahar last night after a dramatic Taliban assault on the southern Afghan city's main prison.
The militants blew the prison gates open with a massive truck bomb and flooded inside, attacking the guards and freeing the inmates. A jubilant Taliban spokesman said the group had deployed 30 motorcycle mounted attackers and two suicide bombers.
Ahmed Wali Karzai, brother of the president Hamid Karzai and head of Kandahar's provincial council, said that "all" the prisoners had escaped.
Authorities in Kandahar declared a state of emergency as police and soldiers swarmed across the city in an attempt to round up the fugitives.
The Taliban said the attack on the prison, the biggest in southern Afghanistan, had been in preparation for two months. "Today we succeeded," Qari Yousaf Ahmadi told the Associated Press, adding that the escapees were "are safe in town and they are going to their homes".
The first explosions were heard at 9.30pm local time when insurgents rammed a tanker truck filled with explosives into the front gate of Sarposa prison, killing several guards, said director Abdul Qadir. "All of the guards at the gate have been killed and they are under the rubble," he told Reuters a few hours later. Gunfire could be heard in the background as he spoke.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/.../14/
afghanistan
I see quite a lot of the "Support The Troops - Bring Them Home" ribbons. Of course, I live in a commie hippie town.
B&R's lemon custard ice cream use to be my fave.
Yum.
I've seeing far fewer (horrible Chinese-made) yellow magnet ribbons.
The ones I do see look like the last rose of summer.
The ministry of justice invoked a law that says the age gap between spouses should not exceed 25 years, the Egyptian Al-Akhbar newspaper reported.
You mean I can't marry a 14-year-old Egyptian boy after my divorce goes through?
Damn!
Indeed. And if they think people care that Obama frequently doesn't wear a tie (as in the picture), they haven't realized that a huge number of average American men wear a tie maybe five times a year or less.
Tralfaz
The other day a disable veteran - an old man - was soliciting money for his group by selling flag lapel pins. I gave him a couple of bucks and told him to keep the pin as I never wear a suit. (I have one I wear to funerals. That is about it. Even as an elementary teacher we seldom dressed that formally)
Honest mistake on God's part. After all, Des Moines shouldn't have taken a French name.
Toonscribe | 06.14.08 - 12:58 pm | #
J*A*M*O*C*H*A* A*L*M*O*N*D* F*U*D*G*E
G'bye.
All the Viagra in the world won't help that old coot.
Terry C, Obama/Clinton 08 | Homepage | 06.14.08 - 12:59 pm | #
Isis raised Osirus from the dead
I see quite a lot of the "Support The Troops - Bring Them Home" ribbons. Of course, I live in a commie hippie town.
JeffCO
I've been seeing more and more of those type of ribbons and bumper stickers.
A good sign.
Media Matters
From Jamison Foser.
The last thing I want to read is a summary of all the wingnut bullshit being flung at Obama the last week. What's the point of that? It's like reading a list of Rush Limbaugh talking points.
I think Media Matters does a great job in general, but I have trouble seeing the value in a piece like this. This stuff should be ignored and forgotten, not repeated ad infinitum, shouldn't it?
I don't think I heard anything about them planning a giant gay pride parade. WTF was God thinking?
JeffCO
Um, actually, there were some pride activities planned for either DM or CR this weekend that have been postponed.
Oops!
It's DEZ MoineZ, anyway!
All the Viagra in the world won't help that old coot.
Maybe his attraction is that he can take out his teeth.
a 92-year-old Gulf Arab man from marrying a 17-year-old Egyptian girl, u
All the Viagra in the world won't help that old coot.
It might be OK. He got a beautiful person to look upon, that might be more interesting than a painting. She got a rich sugar daddy who will die in a short time leaving her rich and still a virgin.
DFH in Dubrovnik they need to be named and shamed.
Wash, rinse, repeat.
still a virgin.
Doug | 06.14.08 - 1:02 pm | #
Technically...
This stuff should be ignored and forgotten, not repeated ad infinitum, shouldn't it?
No. The whisper and rumor campaigns should be brought out into the open, and the mcmedia participants should be called out on their participation.
Did I hear the other day that healthy young professional athletes are taking Viagra to improve their athletic performance in their sports?
Gives a whole new meaning to getting up for a game I guess.
She'll be able to go to France and have that fixed.
What were they doing here?
I suspect some of them were there to see if we'd trash Russert. It would prove how uncivilized we are and why it's okay not to listen to what we have to say. Maybe that's tin foil hatty, but I bet it's right.
"you can only connect with regular people if you make 5 million a year"-Chris Matthews
It's DEZ MoineZ, anyway!
plantsman
I went to law school near a tiny Virginia burg named Buena Vista.
Byoonah Vista to the townspeople.
Maybe that's tin foil hatty, but I bet it's right.
Neponset
Not tinfoil. Bezackly right.
"you can only connect with regular people if you make 5 million a year"-Chris Matthews*
*John Edwards excluded
Um, actually, there were some pride activities planned for either DM or CR this weekend that have been postponed. Oops! V for Virginia
I suppose one might charitably suggest God paints with a very broad brush.
Yes, DWD, you did -- I hate the way Viagra makes you feel, can't imagine taking it to play sports....anything for a high, I guess.
This stuff should be ignored and forgotten, not repeated ad infinitum, shouldn't it?
No. The whisper and rumor campaigns should be brought out into the open, and the mcmedia participants should be called out on their participation.
Apostate
Agreed.
They need to be called on their bullshit.
Time to stop going to a gunfight with a water pistol.
Written on the Body: The Reality of War
This stuff should be ignored and forgotten, not repeated ad infinitum, shouldn't it? DFH in Dubrovnik
If Spocko were here he could explain quite eloquently why pretending the rightwing hate media don't exist has been a disastrous strategy.
interesting thought about why the ticker went up to what, 550, yesterday?
maybe the A can tell us something about page visit numbers and the like and other peak times.
I suppose one might charitably suggest God paints with a very broad brush.
JeffCO
Just a fraternity prank. That God == what a jokester!
heh...I'm in my yard.
Gosh bless the iPod.
I suspect some of them were there to see if we'd trash Russert. It would prove how uncivilized we are and why it's okay not to listen to what we have to say. Maybe that's tin foil hatty, but I bet it's right.
Neponset
Well, they can see me. I have been trashing this rank bastard to the best of my ability. My Camus quote above was in an article that spoke of hanging journalists who cooperated with the government to sell lies to the people. Yeah, Tim Russert, I DO mean you. If Bush would have been impeached, as he should have been, and tried for war crimes, they should have arrested you as well for your guilt is no less than his.
How's that, right wingers? You can see me later if you need more.
here we pronounce des moines, duhmoin. we also pronounce our capitol town of pierre, sd as peer.
i have no idea why i would posted that.
BAGHDAD — Mohammed,13, finishes his breakfast, changes his clothes and walk three kilometres, not to school or even work but to a training campaign.
Carrying a Kalashnikov assault rifle and a belt filled with bullets, he kisses his mother with a broken heart and heads for the unknown.
"I was forced to help militants to save the life of my mother and sisters," he tells IslamOnline.net with a tone full of sorrow and pain.
"I would like to be in a classroom rather than helping make bombs or training on how to use a weapon but sometimes children cannot choose their future."
Al-Qaeda and some other militant groups in war-ravaged Iraq are accused of using dozens of children to aid their attacks, sometimes under the threat of targeting their families should they refuse to cooperate.
Mohammed (not his real name) only agreed to speak on condition of anonymity, scared to be killed if his trainers knew he talked about his duties to the media.
"My father was killed by US troops on the outskirts of Ramadi two years ago and since than my mother has been struggling to bring us enough money to survive," he recalls bitterly.
"One day, five men came to our door and threatened her. They wanted me to help them in exchange for food and the rent," he added.
"If we refused, they would have killed me and my oldest sister. My mother had no chance even to think. She had to agree." What is more shocking is when children are sold to militant groups to fight with them.
http://www.uruknet.info/?p=m4484...&hd=&size=1&
l=e
Written on the Body: The Reality of War
Chris Floyd wants to be Jeanette Winterson?
J*A*M*O*C*H*A* A*L*M*O*N*D* F*U*D*G*E
G'bye.
GWPDA, yclept Irate Historian
This woman is incredibly wise and tasteful.
Karo, like the syrup.
"My son was 'crazy'. I was spending a lot of money on his health without hope," Abdel-Rahman Jalil said about his 12-year-old boy.
"One-day militants offered me US $5,000 for my son to go with them and I agreed," he told IOL.
"I’m unemployed and need money to survive and although he can be useful, something that he would never be with us."
Trained Bombers
Mohammed has been trained to become a suicide bomber, which he hates.
"They want us to learn how to make a bomb and how to carry it," he said.
"Like me there are dozens of other children. Some exclusively trained to be a shahid (martyr) but all of us have to learn the basic steps," he added. "I don’t want to die but when I imagine my family being killed by them, I forget all fair."
Several local NGO have sounded the alarm over the use of handicapped children for terrorism attacks, after using those with psychological disorders for the same purpose.
"Insurgents and militants are putting children with health problem in front of a crossfire where the only victim is the innocent child," charges Fae’ek Jaboury, a spokesperson for the Iraqi Human Rights Organisation (IHRO).
http://www.uruknet.info/?p=m4484...&hd=&size=1&
l=e
My Camus quote above was in an article that spoke of hanging journalists who cooperated with the government to sell lies to the people.
This was actually done with German "journalists" after WWII.
would've
Just a fraternity prank. That God == what a jokester!
JUST KIDDING!
Nap time. (Maybe pleasant dreams and drugs will alleviate the physical and mental pain a bit)
Peace.
How's that, right wingers? You can see me later if you need more.
There's only 65 here now. With the exception of MSNBC the world is moving on. Which is fine.
I read a passage out of "Written On The Body" at my BIL's funeral.
yes, Obama now has a page on his site specifically for debunking IMMEDIATELY the web and email rumors. he doesnt talk about the nutty rumors, but the response is there to be seen.
link to nyt story about it.
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/1...ama+web+&
st=nyt
the truth page:
http://my.barackobama.com/page/c...ckactioncenter/
This was actually done with German "journalists" after WWII.
Apprentice to Darth Holden
And, according to this article, the French.
This was actually done with German "journalists" after WWII.
There were some radio journalists that were sent to jail for their role in the Rwandan genocide recently. Maybe journalists isn't exactly what they were, but they used their positions on air to help the killers coordinate their victims.
LONDON (AP) — The U.S. government has photographic evidence that a Guantanamo Bay inmate was tortured with a knife after being taken to Morocco by U.S. forces, a British human rights group said Tuesday.
Reprieve said their client, Binyam Mohamed, had his genitals slashed repeatedly with a doctor's scalpel while in custody in Morocco after he was flown there from Pakistan by American officials in 2002. It also said his U.S. captors later took pictures of the abuse to show authorities that his wounds were healing.
Mohamed, an Ethiopian national and former British resident, is charged by the United States with plotting with al-Qaeda to bomb American apartment buildings.
Reprieve maintains the charge is based on information coerced from Mohamed using torture.
Reprieve quoted Mohamed as saying that an American female photographed his wounds before he boarded a plane in the Moroccan city of Rabat on the night of Jan. 21, 2004.
"When she saw the injuries I had she gasped. She said: 'Oh, my God, look at that!' Then all her mates looked at what she was pointing at and I could see the shock and horror in her eyes," Mohamed was quoted as saying. "Later, when I was in Afghanistan, they took more pictures. They were treating me, and one of them explained that the photos were 'to show Washington it's healing."'
Reprieve said Mohamed's account was confirmed by an unidentified journalist it says spoke with a U.S. intelligence agent who saw the photographs. The group has urged the United States not to destroy them.
http://www.uruknet.info/?p=m4483...&hd=&size=1&
l=e
"They want us to learn how to make a bomb and how to carry it," he said.
"Like me there are dozens of other children. Some exclusively trained to be a shahid (martyr) but all of us have to learn the basic steps," he added.
That's fucked up. And if we leave tomorrow, that country will continue to be fucked up for years to come.
Yeah, Tim Russert, I DO mean you. If Bush would have been impeached, as he should have been, and tried for war crimes, they should have arrested you as well for your guilt is no less than his.
How's that, right wingers? You can see me later if you need more.
DWD - S☮S
Why is it that even if someone does objectionable things in life, they're supposed to be lionized when they die?
"OOOH, you can't speak badly of the dead."
I feel sorry for Russert's loved ones and family, but he did wrong.
heh...I'm in my yard.
Yes, but Zapette is strolling in the Tuilleries.
He showed up on MSNBC every time GE asked him to. They may not ever show the last Tim Russert Show (with John Harwood and Gerald Seib) I might have watched it.
hi honeybear. i picked up on your borg situation over the past few days. if i may ask, what is it that you do? generally speaking of course.
There's only so many stories you can do about affirmative action and model prisoners.
American Hawk | 06.14.08 - 12:17 pm | #
This is not about Republicans.
"you can only connect with regular people if you make 5 million a year"-Chris Matthews
jr
That ranks up there with his idiotic idolatry "sunny nobility" for a strike three commentary.
bye for now
It's only a little past 10:AM, and it's already 98F here.
Perfect for solar power.
There's only so many stories you can do about affirmative action and model prisoners.
American Hawk
Your mother is calling you.
The lawn needs mowing and the trash doesn't take itself out.
Get lost, idiot.
My dad, the day after the election in 2000, tried to convince me that my fears about the deserting cowards were unfounded.
"He's a good man", he said to me.
My angry retort was "no, he is not, and here's the proof..."
Over the past seven and a half years, he came to loathe him nearly as much as I do.
glad to see your dad has sense, at long last, --Darth.
Damn, I wish my dad was as American as Big Russ. I was fucked over. My dad only fought in the Pacific.
If Spocko were here he could explain quite eloquently why pretending the rightwing hate media don't exist has been a disastrous strategy.
JeffCO
I agree, but you have to fight them with positive images and arguments.
Just listing all the negative statements about Obama during the last week doesn't accomplish much of anything. On the contrary, someone looking for ammunition against Obama need look no further.
As the article itself says:
But humor (if you can call it that) doesn't excuse making comments like this -- indeed, it makes it more likely that the public will remember and internalize the comparisons, and that the caricatures will take hold.
The same could be said about the article itself, couldn't it?
for pete's sake
woke up to more russert marathon
When she said she had written "nice food" next to Italy on the list, Cairns said: "I've written greasy wops."
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Wow-- my paternal grandparents were first-generation Italian immigrants, but they lived in a predominantly Irish under-class neighborhood. So my dad and his siblings had to put up with a lot of ethnic taunts and slurs when they went to the "Irish" parochial school instead of the "Italian" parochial school further away.
Of course, dad and his siblings were tough, loud, and proud, so they survived the schoolyard fights and jibes, e.g. when the municipal sanitation trucks came by, with DPW painted on the sides for "Department of Public Welfare", as it was then known, the Irish kids would jeer, "Here comes the Dago Picnic Wagon!".
But such slights do settle in. I remember being touched when my dad, not long before he retired, was examining some freshly-laundered work shirts. "We can never git the stains off from around the collar," he observed critically. Then he added, more humbly than sarcastically, "I allus figured it's because I'm a greasy wop."
Silly that this stuck in my mind; I didn't say anything about it at the time. But it made me feel bad that someone would internalize such put-downs. Hardly the Stockholm Syndrome, but mildly sad.
From a historic and linguistic perspective, it is noteworthy that the same exact phrase in use in 1920s Amerika is still in vogue today.
Man, I am so fucked up right now. My nephew was killed in a car wreck in Beaumont, TX last night. My SIL is on the way there from here home in Uniontown, AL, with her 90 year-old mother. I'm sitting in fucking Detroit and don't know what the hell to do with myself besides sit here and sob.
Leibniz, about time we saw the LeibnizCats. Beauties, they are.
Mine are all rescues--basically, they end up in my yard, I adopt them.
ThinlyVeiled-That is god awful.
I don't think I heard anything about them planning a giant gay pride parade. WTF was God thinking?
JeffCO | 06.14.08 - 12:56 pm
God's a lousy shot.
But humor (if you can call it that) doesn't excuse making comments like this -- indeed, it makes it more likely that the public will remember and internalize the comparisons, and that the caricatures will take hold.
The same could be said about the article itself, couldn't it?
Not unless one is intentionally misreading the article, which is overtly critical of the tactic.
Doug, very nice here, @80.
Go with it, Thinly Veiled; emote as much as you can.
ThinlyVeiled | 06.14.08 - 1:19 pm
No words. I am so very sorry.
ThinlyVeiled
You have my condolences. What a terrible thing to happen.
Meanwhile, over there:
(CNN) -- A roadside bomb killed four U.S. Marines in Afghanistan Saturday, the U.S. military said.
It is the deadliest single attack against American troops this year in Afghanistan, according to military figures compiled by CNN.
glad to see your dad has sense, at long last, --Darth.
It took a very long time, decades, but I managed to get him to stop using the N-word. He grew up in Jim Crow Arkansas, up in the Ozarks.
Sometimes old dogs can be cajoled into learning new tricks...or at least modifying the old ones to keep up with civility.
honeybear: why is the measure of love... loss?
I rarely go to DKos these days, but wandered over there last night. Anybody who dared say a word against Timmeh was troll rated into oblivion in seconds.
They are a very earnest group of people. Sense of humour sorely lacking, for the most part.
ThinlyVeiled, That's utterly tragic. So very sorry.
ThinlyVeiled,
To say that is terrible is an understatement to say the least.
Deepest condolences.
The same could be said about the article itself, couldn't it? DFH in Dubrovnik
These hate-filled spewfests exist because the vast majority of the country, including many reasonably decent people, are 100% unaware of their existence. As Spocko demonstrated, in many cases even their advertisers were unaware what they were paying to be associated with.
Public airing of their behavior (and the resultant shaming) is an extraordinarily powerful tool in reducing their power. Yes, having a more powerful positive message is necessary in the long run, but Media Matters and others have now shown that they can force a change in media behavior by calling them on their ongoing bullshit.
Don't forget that even Tweety had to apologize for some of his sexist stupidity. I hope Obama was paying attention to that episode.
{{{Thinly Veiled}}}
Oh my God. I have no words, except to say you and yours are in my thoughts.
Thanks, guys. It's just fucked. Last thing I expected to hear at 8:30 this morning. I should think about trying to head down there, but don't even have it together enough to check out flights. Worse, my brother, his father, has been missing in action for 10+ years, no one even knows whether HE's dead or alive. My other brother, who lives nearby, was more a father to him. He's beside himself and all alone. And my poor SIL. Wonderful woman, took me and my son in when I left my asshole ex, her only child.
ThinyVeiled,
Find a way to go to Texas. Help take charge in the crisis.
Peace be with you.
her only child
Fuck. How much worse could it be.
How old was he, if you don't mind me asking? Married, or?
Damn, I wish my dad was as American as Big Russ. I was fucked over. My dad only fought in the Pacific.
Same here, MP. Put his ass on the line against Japanese militarism, while his brother was marching across Europe against German fascism.
Obviously not nearly as important as Big Russ.
my sympathies, thinlyveiled.
Heya again
ThinlyVeiled,
FWIW, in times like these I go out and walk until my head stops exploding. The exercise seems to help.
Okay, can someone tell me why Timmy and the Lakers are on the front page of the LAT and not the flooding?
Christ, we've got a sports section and an entertainment one. Why is the front page being wasted on this shit?
Ali, he was 33. Had a wife and a three year-old daughter. Juliet, Daddy's girl. He couldn't go take a shit without her asking "When's Daddy coming back?"
Aw, TV, this is the worst.
And yet Cheney 'lives.'
Pumpkin head contributed nothing positive to his world. He thrived and made his named on divisiveness, put downs, and bloviating. And the MSM loved him.
And what happens when those who do contribute positive things to the world die? Well, let's take a look at today's NYT obit page, for example:
Dr. George E. Moore, a versatile cancer researcher who found an early association between chewing tobacco and mouth cancer while directing the Roswell Park Cancer Institute, a state-financed research center in Buffalo, died on May 19 in Evergreen, Colo. He was 88 ...
In 1954, with colleagues at Roswell Park and the University of Minnesota, Dr. Moore published a pioneering study of male patients with cancer of the mouth, reporting that a majority — 26 of 40 patients — had been tobacco chewers for significant periods of time, many for 15 years or more....
In the early 1960s, Dr. Moore and others evaluated the effectiveness of a drug in what was then a novel dual approach to fighting breast cancer, using both surgery and chemicals. ...
In 1966, Dr. Moore led a study that looked at the filter tips of nine brands of cigarettes and pronounced advertising about the effectiveness of some filters as “almost fraudulent.”
Now there is a man who contributed to society. Tim Russert was a tick on a hemorrhoid on the backside of society.
It's hot down here today.
I met Hitler last night. He's not as nasty as you'd think, quite friendly actually, but he's got a really sick sense of humor.
ThinlyVeiled - I'm sorry for your and your family's loss.
I don't feel the elation I did when Michael Kelly died. He's not in the same league of assholes. But I can't summon up any sympathy for Tim Russert, either. He enabled the Bush administration ever since the 2000 campaign, and he also did more than his share to drag down the state of American journalism to the National Enquirer level of standards it currently practices. When people make the world a shittier place, I can't really see it as a bad thing when they're no longer in this world. If that makes me an awful person, so be it.
http://bartcopnation.com/dc/
dcbo...topic_id=437312
Leibniz, I owe Dr. Moore a moment of silence.
He'll probably be in the obits today, but his section will be far smaller than that of Pumpkinbrain.
the irish wake begins...
Tim Russert was a tick on a hemorrhoid on the backside of society.
That tick might make the hemorrhoid less painful.
I miss Big Russ!!!!
fokowi, NO PIPES.
Thank you.
Jesus, ThinlyVeiled!
The whole fucking world is falling apart!
hi fokowi...
Went to sort my laundry.
I work for a bank. I'm a corporate actions administrator.
FORP
the irish wake begins...
fokowi
I love rigatoni and potato salad.
"There is also the cultural tradition in the Arab world among old men who believe having a young girl in their life can bring back their youth."
Right, that's just a tradition in the Arab world.
BREAKING: THE PRICE OF FOOD HAS DROPPED SHARPLY IN THE PAST 24 HOURS SINCE RUSSERT'S DEATH.
TV if you want to e-mail me at v for virginia at gmail I'll check on flights for you.
back to the yard...later.
The whole fucking world is falling apart!
yeah it is. Mine, anyway. I gotta check out flights and figure out how I'm gonna afford this. Can't sit here.
A roadside bomb killed four U.S. Marines in Afghanistan Saturday
Afghanistan service deaths exceed Iraq service deaths last month (18 I think) for the first time and a new record will be set this month...
"There is also the cultural tradition in the Arab world among old men who believe having a young girl in their life can bring back their youth."
Those barbaric Arabs. May they be flaggelated with ten thousand camel wangs.
Hey Zap, can you get me a beer while you're up?
A strike by hundreds of Shell tanker drivers has begun to hit fuel supply in parts of England, Wales and Scotland.
On the second day of the walkout over pay, demand for fuel was up 25% and more than 100 stations closed because of shortages, the government said.
Shell said fewer than 15% of its sites had been affected but warned continued action could have a "significant impact" on supply at forecourts.
Unions said drivers would walk out again if the dispute was not resolved.
Unite joint leader Tony Woodley told the BBC there would be another strike next weekend and, if necessary, a third strike after that.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/74.../uk/
7454149.stm
Gomez, there'll certainly be more of it now that Fat Timmy's gone.
Bonjour (encore)
msnbc is still on Timmeh? It's been almost 24h non-stop now. Come on! he's not a president, dammit!
anyway, i just filled up my tiny toyota: 54$ canadian. I read in my local newspaper yesterday that in Chavezland, a fill up costs... 1,70$. That's 3 cents a litre or 12 cents a gallon.
Those damn socialists!!!
Bugs | 06.14.08 - 1:32 pm | #
Fuck Off, Racist Pig
Willendorf, trust me, you don't want a 14 year old boy. They haven't eaten gotten jerking off down to a science
Thanks, V for V, but I can do it. Have to wait to find out what's gonna go on first, anyway. Talking about a memorial in Beaumont and then the funeral at the family plot on the plantation in Uniontown. Probably won't know the details until Monday. I'll figure it out.
no pipes. heh.
Oh, ThinlyVeiled, I have no words.
Deep sea divers have found the wreck of a Royal Navy warship which sank during the American Revolution.
The discovery of HMS Ontario, at the bottom of one of the Great Lakes on the US-Canada border, has been hailed an "archaeological miracle".
The 22-gun, 80ft (24.4m) vessel, with an estimated 130 men on board, went down in Lake Ontario in a gale in 1780.
The ship is now being treated as a war grave and there are no plans to raise it or remove any of its artefacts.
Shipwreck enthusiasts Jim Kennard and Dan Scoville have revealed how they used side-scanning sonar and an unmanned submersible to find the ship earlier this month.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/74.../uk/
7454578.stm
don't know what the hell to do with myself besides sit here and sob.
ThinlyVeiled | 06.14.08 - 1:19 pm | #
sometimes that is the right thing. the thing to watch out for is the duration.
my heart goes out to you.
The discovery of HMS Ontario, at the bottom of one of the Great Lakes on the US-Canada border, has been hailed an "archaeological miracle".
That asshole Belloq is probably racing Indy to grab the golden ship's bell.
ThinlyVeiled: my sympathies
my thoughts go out to you ThinyVeiled
TV, you have my email if you need to talk. Or just want to wail on someone's shoulder.
Up to 12,000 Network Rail maintenance staff have gone on strike in a row over jobs and conditions.
The Rail Maritime and Transport union said "100%" of its members walked out for 30 hours from 1200 BST "after months of fruitless talks".
General secretary Bob Crow said the action would have a "cumulative" effect on the rail system, but Network Rail said services had not been affected.
It accused the union of making "ridiculous" demands.
Mr Crow, who visited a picket line near Brentwood in Essex, said the strike had been "100%" supported.
"The company has turned a dispute about harmonisation into an attack on jobs and conditions," he said.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/74.../uk/
7454416.stm
I met Hitler last night. He's not as nasty as you'd think, quite friendly actually, but he's got a really sick sense of humor.
You think Hitler's got a sick sense of humor...wait until you meet up with the Marquis de Sade!
Thanks, all. Right now, I just need to vent. Most of my family isn't worth a fuck, so they're useless right now. Need to be around sympathetic peeps. Which you all are.
TV let me/us know if there's any way we can help. And what Sallyh said, too.
TV
our condolences to you and your family.
fokowi, we're hoping that my parents' generation is the last one that has pipers at funerals.
TV, stick around and rant and rave and cry and scream and wallow for as long as you need to. That's what we're here for. That, and the pun threads.
don't know what the hell to do with myself besides sit here and sob.
ThinlyVeiled | 06.14.08 - 1:19 pm | #
sometimes that is the right thing
Not right now, though. Thinly Veiled, I'll chip in for your flight, give me your email address.
the last one that has pipers at funerals.
I kinda like pipers if they're standing far enough away.
Toons, my idea of 'far enough away' consists roughly of another continent.
anyway, i just filled up my tiny toyota: 54$ canadian
I've been playing with extreme methods of hyper-mileage driving, while enraging the other drivers on the road.
My results so far? With a 4 liter displacement Jeep Cherokee, previously without any regard for how I drove, I got somewhere between 18 MPG, to about 26 during a good week. The last two fillups I got 29 MPG one week, and 34.5 MPG the next.
The methods to accomplish this?
Check the tire air pressure frequently,
do the same engine tuneups and oil changes as normal (this beast has 226,000 miles on it so it's been taken care of somewhat well)
Drive in such a way as to never use the brakes any more than necessary, and to time your acceleration so to float through lights, with needing to change the speed much. Keep the engine rpms down as much as possible. This vehicle seems to do best around 45 mph. it will run all day at 1200, to 1600 rpm at that speed.
mrs. ibrahim al-jafaari |
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Kol Ayre Koos
ThinlyVeiled there are times for which words seem totally inadequate.
This is one of those times.
I join with all others here in offering my deepest condolences.
Thanks, all. Right now, I just need to vent. Most of my family isn't worth a fuck, so they're useless right now. Need to be around sympathetic peeps. Which you all are.
With the exception of the trools, this is a very supportive place. We're here to help today and every day.
During the dark times in 2003 when the country was insane with bloodlust, this place was an oasis for me. It was even more helpful that there were vets who felt exactly as I did about the criminal invasion of Iraq.
So sorry to hear this, TV. Our thoughts go out to you and your family.
And that last Uncle Joe Stalin was me.
fokowi, we're hoping that my parents' generation is the last one that has pipers at funerals.
Sallyh, Grandmere Poissonniere | 06.14.08 - 1:44 pm | #
i'm trying real hard to understand what you're saying.
Ali, he was 33. Had a wife and a three year-old daughter. Juliet, Daddy's girl. He couldn't go take a shit without her asking "When's Daddy coming back?"
ThinlyVeiled
oh man, honey you need to get down there right away.
And what we’ve seen recently that has raised our level of concern to the current state of unrest, if you will, if I can put it in those terms, is that he now is trying, through his illicit procurement network, to acquire the equipment he needs to be able to enrich uranium to make the bombs.
MR. RUSSERT: Aluminum tubes.
VICE PRES. CHENEY: Specifically aluminum tubes.
Russert brought up the aluminum tubes.
Russert brought up the aluminum tubes.
Precisely as Scooter Libby briefed him to do.
The Ducks are somewhat miffed that they'll be denied dining on his flesh.
oh man, honey you need to get down there right away.
Yeah, I am working on it. Trying to coordinate with my Mother. She is 78 and doesn't travel well, I will probably have to go with her. Doesn't help that this brings up her own son, whereabouts unknown. She is not doing well right now. We have our issues, but on this, I feel for her.
CHENEY: "But we do know, with absolute certainty, that he is using his procurement system to acquire the equipment he needs in order to enrich uranium to build a nuclear weapon.
Bugs | 06.14.08 - 1:48 pm | #
Fuck Off, Racist Pig
Russert brought up the aluminum tubes.
Gomez | 06.14.08 - 1:49 pm | #
the plant.
game set match...
One year after Hamas, the Palestinian movement, seized control of the Gaza Strip from President Mahmoud Abbas's Fatah party, leaders say Palestinian unity remains an elusive dream.
Ghazi Hamad, a senior aide to Ismail Haniya, the leader of Hamas in Gaza, has acknowledged that the infighting has damaged the Palestinian cause.
"This is a catastrophe, a disaster. We have to go back to national unity," Hamad said on Saturday.
On the first anniversary of the Hamas takeover, Palestinian newspaper colunmists echoed similar sentiments, calling on leaders to settle their differences through talks.
Hussein Hijazi, a columnist with the Palestinian Al Ayam newspaper, said: "It is clear today that the sharp polarisation between the two historic forces, Hamas and Fatah, has to be resolved through democratic elections or an armed confrontation will be inevitable."
http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/
...B9D27576F22.htm
We never rejoice at the death of anyone who's not entirely evil, but we admit to being somewhat taken back by NBC's Griefathon yesterday. Yeah, it's clear they all loved Russert, but come on, it's not like the guy cured cancer or anything like that. Exactly what was the reason for that?
Exactly what was the reason for that?
Int'l Jewish Conspiracy | 06.14.08 - 1:53 pm | #
one of their own.
the flipside of why iraqi casualties are rarley mentioned.
Exactly what was the reason for that?
Int'l Jewish Conspiracy
By celebrating his importance in the Universe they reinforce their own.
Oh, god, it's in the news:
http://www.kfdm.com/news/
killed_...ed_vehicle.html
TV it's perfectly OK to accept MP's offer of help, for what that's worth.
What a great person.
Now, some of this clearly comes from very sensitive sources, and we have to be very careful to try to protect those sources.
Yuh, like Valerie Plame.
That, and the pun threads.
don't get me started.
Oh, god, it's in the news:
Dreadful.
So sorry.
During my time in government, where we have, in fact, had agents, people reporting to us on sensitive matters caught and executed. Their lives are at stake, and our ability to get access, to continue to get access to these programs, depends upon our trying to preserve the classification of some of this information.
*SNORT*
TV, I'm sorry to hear about your tragedy. Take care of yourself and your mother.
Hot-headedness runs in our family. Deep. My brother said he had been worried about him lately, thought he was depressed. Fuck.
You can’t just send the military to war. You have to bring a country to war and convince them it is the necessary and right thing to do. I remember 40 years ago, when John Kennedy addressed the nation about the Cuban situation, the Russian buildup of nuclear weapons, President Kennedy spoke to the nation in prime time.
Yeah, Russert compared it to the Cuban Missle Crisis.
Democracy in the EU Institutions
TV,
You and your SIL and all family really have my sympathies.
Damn, just damn.
*SNORT*
Gomez | 06.14.08 - 1:56 pm | #
would "this sort of information" include the identity of a covert cia agent working on wmds?
TV - a veteran at far-flung funerals ... You'll be wanting to go to wherever the services and interment are. To help, find out the name of the local mortuary in town and, when your family is in TX, help co-ordinate with the mortuary in AL. Save your money for doing this, and for wife and little girl. You may also need to be in charge of co-ordinating with insurance companies and the like - those things can be done on the phone.
Bloch Pushed Underlings To Counter Negative Press With Comment Posts
We just learned that the head of the U.S. Office of Special Council, whose office and home were raided by federal agents last month, had a habit of instructing employees to go online and post comments rebutting news stories that he perceived as negative, according to a report from CongressDaily
http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpoint...8/06/
post_5.php
Good lord, it's true. I always thought the idea of a paid troll was a myth or inside joke. Yeesh, shouldn't we get better quality?
Not right now, though. Thinly Veiled, I'll chip in for your flight, give me your email address.
MP |
Sir (or madam) you are a mensch in the truest sense of the word.
Aw, fuck, I just got semi-settled down and now I'm at it again. Fuckity fuck fuck fuck.
*SNORT*
Gomez
damn Gomez, first you ask for a beer and now you're snorting. Hang on there old buddy.
This is the passage from "Written On The Body" that I was referring to.
"You'll get over it..."
It's the clichés that cause the trouble. To lose someone you love is to alter your life forever. The pain stop, there are new people, but the gap never closes. How could it? The particularness of someone who mattered enough to grieve over is not made anodyne by death. This hole in my heart is in the shape of you and no-one else can fit it. Why would I want them to?
I've thought a lot about death recently, the finality of it, the argument ending in mid-air. One of us hadn't finished, why did the other one go? And why without warning? Even death after long illness is without warning. The moment you had prepared for so carefully took you by storm. The troops broke through the window and snatched the body and the body is gone. The day before the Wednesday last, this time a year ago, you were here and now you're not. Why not? Death reduces us to the baffled logic of a small child. If yesterday why not today? And where are you?
Fragile creatures of a small blue planet, surrounded by light years of silent space. Do the dead find peace beyond the rattle of the world? What peace is there for us whose best love cannot return them even for a day? I raise my head to the door and think I will see you in the frame. I know it is your voice in the corridor but when I run outside the corridor is empty. There is nothing I can do that will make any difference. The last word was yours.
The fluttering in the stomach goes away and the dull waking pain. Sometimes I think of you and I feel giddy. Memory makes me lightheaded, drunk on champagne. All the things we did. And if anyone had said this was the price I would have agreed to pay it. That surprises me; that with the hurt and the mess comes a shaft of recognition. It was worth it. Live is worth it.
Thinly Veiled,
So sorry. Send me your address(or call me--816-255-2749) and I'll send you some money. Yesterday was payday.
We’ve seen in connection with the hijackers, of course, Mohamed Atta, who was the lead hijacker, did apparently travel to Prague on a number of occasions. And on at least one occasion, we have reporting that places him in Prague with a senior Iraqi intelligence official a few months before the attack on the World Trade Center. The debates about, you know, was he there or wasn’t he there, again, it’s the intelligence business.
Liar.
driveby, drove home from Big Bend, pics at http://cabdrollery.blogspot.com/
more at flickr
http://www.flickr.com/photos/245...N08/2577379425/
will be doing more later.
Exactly what was the reason for that?
Because, contrary to Journalism 101, it's all about them. The bobbleheads.
The last two days conclusively demonstrate this.
There was a time when, at the end of the broadcast, the passing of some teebee personality was a brief announcment and statement of condolences at the end of a newscast.
Back when teebee news tried to be professional.
Not any more.
I’m confident that if it became necessary-if the president felt that this was the right course of action so that he instructed the military to undertake this, that the U.S. military would be enormously effective in this circumstance. And I don’t think it would be that tough a fight; that is, I don’t think there’s any question that we would prevail and we would achieve our objective. You always want to plan for the worst, though. And, clearly, we would do that.
Heh.
bye for now
The quotes were from MTP - 9/8/2002.
This has been another edition of Great Moments in Journalism.
Fuck you, Tim Russert.
I think Hecate got it right. The media boys had just spent a couple of weeks trying to convince us and themselves that they are not really stenographers after Scottie's book came out. This is a an opportunity at rehabilitation. Hence all the stories on what a wonderful journalist pumpkin head was.
reading upthred. thinly veiled, you are right - need to take the mother. their issues are not as big as their needs and having lost mine to mental illness, can't tell you how important it is to have a relationship of some sort, no matter the obstacles.
so sorry for your loss.
Must make a grocery run.
Back soonish.
Avedon had a great piece on Timmeh too at http://sideshow.me.uk/
why did i turn on msnbc for just a peek? Fucking Schuster reminiscing about the "trouble" (sexist hillary bashing) he got into in Feb and how Russert was the first to call him at home to say hang in there.
How on earth did I ever support John Edwards? Jesus fuck. "Russert was a reporter who seemed like someone you could trust and indeed, you did trust him." Yep John, we danced to his rhythms as he marched us into an illegal, immoral, horrible "war" and occupation.
We are in big, big fucking trouble.
You always want to plan for the worst, though. And, clearly, we would do that.
But he said it with such gravitas! How were we to know it was bullshit?
/the media
This is a an opportunity at rehabilitation. Hence all the stories on what a wonderful journalist pumpkin head was.
Yet he eptiomized everything that is wrong with beltway "journalism". He testified to it at the Libby trial. Under oath.
He was a highly paid stenographer, lobbing softballs at the mendacious sack of shit that is the Vice President of the United States and not moving so much as a milimeter outside his role as propagandist collaborator with a known war criminal.
I am so sorry, Thinly Veiled.
Really, guys, thanks so much for the offers, but I don't think money will be the big issue. If we don't have enough, D's family will pitch in. But you all are the best for offering. Really.
trying to convince us and themselves that they are not really stenographers after Scottie's book came out.
I heard someone (not a regular MSNBC employee, but a newspaper guy they have on as a frequent commenter) go on at length approvingly about Timmeh's brilliant tactic of being a stenographer, all about how Timmeh didn't think it was important to challenge someone or call them out on BS, but the important thing was to get them "on the record" which *and they pat themselves on the back* we can now use to see that they were indeed lying to us about Iraq.
Sure would've been helpful if they'd pointed that out at the time, instead of just getting it on the record.
back on topic (as if i ever go there):
FAUX News calling Michelle Obama her husband's "baby mama".
http://www.oliverwillis.com/inde...e-with-it-okay/
But listening to [Rachel Maddow] spend the first hour of her show last night rhapsodizing about the awe and majesty of Tim Russert got pretty scary when she seemed to be admiring his ability to declare the end of the Democratic primary, to say what is. She seemed to have not a single doubt that this was a good thing, not the least worry that perhaps no single journalist should be able to make such a decision for us.
I also wasn't going to say anything about this for another day or two, because some of you do seem to be more caught up in this than I expected. But seeing the way so many people have forgotten just how much blood is on his hands, I feel forced to remind you that this man wore a Bush button behind his lapel while he helped steal the election for Bush in 2000, and this man enthusiastically supported the invasion, suppressed the truth, and encouraged the lies that have led to over a million deaths and the hollowing-out of our nation. Without Tim Russert, it is quite possible that we would not be worrying about what the Supreme Court has to say about whether or not the government of the United States of America is entitled to torture people and dismiss the right of habeas corpus.
Avedon's blog is jiggity.
all about how Timmeh didn't think it was important to challenge someone or call them out on BS, but the important thing was to get them "on the record" which *and they pat themselves on the back* we can now use to see that they were indeed lying to us about Iraq.
Timmeh did more rehabilitating witnesses than cross-examining them. That is exactly what John Edwards described last night: Timmeh would rehabilitate the people he interviewed, not take them to task.
As Atrios remains obsessed with non-factors like the rights continual attempt to make issues of things like fist bumps, Obama quietly consolidates his rightward move.
Why doesn't Obama have any union reps as prominent economic advisors, huh Atrios?
Naomi Klein:
Barack Obama waited just three days after Hillary Clinton pulled out of the race to declare, on CNBC, "Look. I am a pro-growth, free-market guy. I love the market."
Demonstrating that this is no mere spring fling, he has appointed 37-year-old Jason Furman to head his economic policy team. Furman is one of Wal-Mart's most prominent defenders, anointing the company a "progressive success story." On the campaign trail, Obama blasted Clinton for sitting on the Wal-Mart board and pledged, "I won't shop there." For Furman, however, it's Wal-Mart's critics who are the real threat: the "efforts to get Wal-Mart to raise its wages and benefits" are creating "collateral damage" that is "way too enormous and damaging to working people and the economy more broadly for me to sit by idly and sing 'Kum-Ba-Ya' in the interests of progressive harmony."
http://www.thenation.com/doc/200...630/klein/
print
kid, have you rehabilited yourself?
Hey Snow, maybe you can answer that?
"Look. I am a pro-growth, free-market guy. I love the market."
What the fuck is wrong with being pro-growth and for a free market?
I heart John McCain.
Elias is an asshole. But we all knew that.
I always thought the idea of a paid troll was a myth or inside joke. Yeesh, shouldn't we get better quality?
This just proves once again that Big Government Doesn't Work!
Hey Snow, maybe you can answer that?
You supported someone who had union-busters on the campaign payroll. You fucking explain that, hypocrite.
Turin Brakes Dark On Fire.
Later.
Elias
Hi mimi.
rove's six-figures
http://www.motherjones.com/
mojob...journal_ro.html
Timmeh didn't think it was important to challenge someone or call them out on BS, but the important thing was to get them "on the record" which *and they pat themselves on the back* we can now use to see that they were indeed lying to us about Iraq.
It always seemed to me that Timmeh, like Tweety, developed a reputation for "tough questioning" by bullying lower-level officials and second or third tier presidential candidates.
The claws always seemed to be taken in when the Very Important People were his "guests."
Elias=aggie trannie troll
Hey Snow, why doesn't Obama have union reps, or consumer rights reps, as chief economic advisors?
You think having a pro-WalMart guy is the way to go?
What's your def of pro-growth, and free-market. Giving WalMart and other corps like them all the freedom they want to overdevelop and pay their employess slave wages while denying them healthcare?
Is that your platform too?
hey Ruth- did you see the marfa lights?
Obama quietly consolidates his rightward move.
not really a surprise
on the other hand, it doesn't matter. because the alternative is this. and anyone who does not vote for obama will have blood on his hands.
Hey Snow, evade the question...
Dick, keep being a Dick...
Tri, well, keep trying...
Elias has convinced me.
As a lifelong Democrat, I've got no choice but to vote for McCain.
You supported someone who had union-busters on the campaign payroll. You fucking explain that, hypocrite.
Snow (WF-SC)
Oh, after Hillary lost Elias found "the true religion."
He's now an uncompromising Trotskyist/Chomskyite Leftier-Than-Thou kinda guy.
Probably you were busy with your campaign and didn't get the memo.
I agree. Elias is right. McCain is the way to go.
"transferring data from ssl.google-analytics" - wtf?
Is that your platform too?
Fuck you, shit stain. You know nothing about me.
So how about your continued supported for candidates who either are or hire union-busters. Seems you have a pattern a supporting such candidates. There was Saint Ralph the Union Buster and Hillary with her union-busting staff of advisers. Care to explain your hypocrisy, or would you prefer to ignore it?
Elias
Why do so enjoy pretending to be a woman?
Don't listen to them, Elias. You know you're right.
I agree. Elias is right. McCain is the way to go.
trifecta | Homepage | 06.14.08 - 2:22 pm | #
because the roberts court is far too liberal.
Watch as the liberals all evade the uncomfortable questions in the rarified air of their self-assured conviction that Obama is the answer...
Watch as they present the no-win, catch-22 endless, less or 2 evils argument as the only true answer to the fascist dominance of both parties.
Watch as they do nothing to change the status quo...
A McCain victory will pave the way for the Revolution!
Care to explain your hypocrisy, or would you prefer to ignore it?
Being a troll and nothing but, means never having to explain anything.
"Elias" is here to annoy, not to make any legitimate arguments.
Of course it's no surprise that Obama is moving to the middle. As I've said 1,987,488 times, we are the fringe and there aren't enough of us to elect Obama. Sadly, he has to gather other votes as well. We *need* to win in November.
I don't support Obama so I feel no requirement to defend him. What the fuck about you, hypocrite? If you love unions so much, why the history of supporting union-busters.
After supporting someone who sat on the Wal-Mart board, it takes some nerve to criticize someone with a Wal-Mart defender on his staff.
Watch as they do nothing to change the status quo...
Elias | Homepage | 06.14.08 - 2:25 pm | #
we are breathlessly waiting for you solution. not your analysis - we already have that. what should we do?
what should we do?
Elias is correct. We should probably just stay home.
We should vote for McCain because--as Lenin once put it--the worse things get the better they get!
Watch as they do nothing to change the status quo...
Elias
Watch as Elias uses canned air to blow the Cheeto® dust out of his keyboard.
Elias is correct. We should probably just stay home.
trifecta |
i think he wants us to go in the way-back machine.
Hey Snow, I said previously it was a mistake to support Hillary as an act of realpolitik.
I was seduced into thinking it would work. Little did I realize how powerful the Cult of Personality could still be...
Soon the liberals will have another "Clinton" in the White House to apologize for...
I wish Butler would stop reinforcing those stereotypes about Aggies.
I've known some real life Aggies who were not ignorant fucktarded dogshit, but Butler just insists on perpetuating that notion.
Was it a mistake to support Union-Busting Saint Ralph too?
elias? we're still waiting for the solution.
we tried 42. it doesn't work.
It's a beautiful day! Turn off that damn computer and go outside and play!
Pat Robertson's Klown Kollege is advertising again on Eschaton!
Good luck with that, doofi!
'ridin' the storm' out the way it should've been released...
we are breathlessly waiting for you solution. not your analysis - we already have that. what should we do?
That's the thing with Allen Butler. He likes to call people "hypocrites", while never ever making a positive contribution.
A worthless parasite, too cowardly to make a stand himself.
kid, have you rehabilited yourself?
dirk gently, melancaholic
I wanna kill.
I agree. Elias is right. McCain is the way to go.
trifecta
Indeed!
Obama's middle name name is "Hussein" don't you know? And he bumps fists with close friends.
He's so unAmerican he doesn't wear a flag pin in his lapel. And he's a lousy bowler.
They're checking his birth certificate even now to see if he's really an American.
And he's rumored to have fathered more than one "black" child.
It's a beautiful day! Turn off that damn computer and go outside and play!
Your Mom |
in the thunderstorm?
Wonder if the tracking bracelet on Elias' ankle chafes.
Nader's not a factor now.
Obama is the one on the table now.
He's the one moving right.
So you have nothing to say about it then? If not, I'll post something else you might be able to answer...
I'm going to do a write-in vote for myself -- the only candidate who shares all my values.
It's a beautiful day! Turn off that damn computer and go outside and play!
Your Mom
Obviously Your Mom is in beautiful Track Town USA where it's sunny and in the mid 70's.
Hey Snow, I said previously it was a mistake to support Hillary as an act of realpolitik.
But you droned on in support of HRC for weeks and weeks, in exactly the tone and manner that you are using now.
Which, logically, might lead some to the inference that you are not trying to contribute anything useful here.
So you have nothing to say about it then?
Did I not just say I didn't support him?
So you have nothing to say about it then?
i've said it three times. ok, you made your point - obama is too far right. so what should we do? seriously, i could really use a practical suggestion. just one. something that makes sense.
It's amazing to listen to the one-note chorus.
This just simply proves day in and day out, precisely how liberals hate only one thing more than a winger.
They hate someone who calls them out as the sellouts they are.
This is fun.
My head hurts and my chest hurts and I've no tolerance for stepping around troll shit right now. So, Go.The. Fuck. Away. You're not wanted here.
Hey Mom,
It's raining outside and the USPS delivered a book to read.
Elias | Homepage | 06.14.08 - 2:33 pm |
Still waiting for you to offer any kind of solution.
Hey Gromit, wake the fuck up.
Nothing short of pledging allegiance to Obama would gain me acceptance here.
This is fun.
Elias |
no, it's fucking annoying and juvenile. you keep shoveling the same tired stupid shit, completely ignore what anyone else says in reply, have no actual thoughts, opinions, plans or ideas. you are a miserable putrid waste of space and skin, a complete moron whose only enjoyment comes from making people dislike you more than they already do. a whiner and a loser and a baby who can do nothing but cry for attention even if it means you have to shit your own pants in hopes someone else will have to wipe your pathetic ass.
or am i reading you wrong?
Snow, you support McCane then, right?
If we agree with the shared assumption here, anybody who doesn't support Obama by defintion supports McCane.
So why would you support McCane and call yourself a democrat?
If there's a new way,
I'll be the first in line.
Elias
You might as well cut and paste from your old General Zod posts.
Always grinding the same axe.
Nothing short of pledging allegiance to Obama would gain me acceptance here.
Elias
that wouldn't do it either.
go away.
Elias = just a dog turd on the sidewalk of life. It's best to just step around him.
Still waiting for you to offer any kind of solution.
yAWN
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What so hard to understand?
Simply stop supporting the Dems until they become a true alternative. Yes, it means a lot of bad things will happen. They're going to happen under either party.
So just stop supporting them and support true left/progs at a grassroots level.
Nothing short of pledging allegiance to Obama would gain me acceptance here.
Elias
Butler really is one serious clueless git.
Simply stop supporting the Dems until they become a true alternative. Yes, it means a lot of bad things will happen. They're going to happen under either party.
that's your answer? really? seriously?
i was right.
you are a moron.
BTW Hillary has done that, pledged allegiance to Obama, that is.
Hey Dirk, your way really works, doesn't it?
How's that single payer healthcare coming along? You ready to give it up.
Now shut the fuck up already...
just stop supporting them and support true left/progs at a grassroots level.
That's long-term. We don't have time for that now. John McCain will bomb Iran if elected, possibly with nukes. We don't have time to quibble about purity.
Watch as they do nothing to change the status quo...
Elias | Homepage | 06.14.08 - 2:25 pm | #
Just following your lead, useless.
If we pass the hat and buy him kleenex, will Elias go away?
Der be sheets, kids.
Jeebus,
I am installing Acrobat 8 Professional and it is 837 MB. I hope it at least contains the complete works of Shakespeare, Keats, and Darwin.
Hey Dirk, your way really works, doesn't it?
explain "my way" and how "your way" is different and more effective.
Hey Dick, you're exactly the fuel the right uses to paint progressives as deluded, drug-induced, paranoid, conspiracy theorists...
Lay off the dope, brother.
Stop giving them ammunition!
So why would you support McCane and call yourself a democrat?
Elias | Homepage | 06.14.08 - 2:37 pm | #
Why would you call yourself Elias instead of Asshole? Don't you believe in accuracy? Asshole?
Hey Dave, don't go away. I'll be right back with an answer for you...
Simply stop supporting the Dems until they become a true alternative
This is coming from someone who spent months pretending to support Clinton.
Dishonesty is obviously Allen Butler's middle name.
Thinly Veiled,
I am so sorry. This must be horrendous and I wish I had words of comfort to offer. I really do not except that my best wishes are with you and your family as you try to traverse these trying times together. Peace.
Stop giving them ammunition!
Elias | Homepage | 06.14.08 - 2:43 pm | #
You should stop loading their weapons, you deluded moron. And, while you're at it, stop blowing them.
Dave, you were trying to make some distinction between Obama and McCane on foreign policy, right?
Dig this:
This week's border incident -- in which a U.S. attack killed at least 10 Pakistani soldiers -- has refocused attention on Barack Obama's long-standing promise to take the War on Terror to Pakistan; or as he puts it, getting "on to the right battlefield in Afghanistan and Pakistan." In other words, Obama wants to expand the "good war" in Afghanistan by withdrawing "all combat troops" from Iraq (while leaving behind an unspecified number there to "fight al Qaeda" -- how non-combat troops are supposed to fight anybody is not clear; perhaps the gay-bashing, right-wing preachers Obama is now courting can explain this metaphysical mystery) and moving them to Afghanistan...and Pakistan. You would think this latter strategy might provoke at least a ripple of concern among progressives, but everyone seems to think it's hunky-dory -- as long as it's not Bush who is suggesting it.
But to be fair, one nationally recognized progressive leader has condemned such a move in forthright terms, describing it as:
a misguided invasion of a Muslim country that sparks new insurgencies, ties down our military, busts our budgets, increases the pool of terrorist recruits, alienates America, gives democracy a bad name, and prompts the American people to question our engagement in the world.
Yes, that junior senator from Illinois certainly knows a thing or two about --- oh, sorry. That was Obama's analysis of the stupidity of Bush's invasion of Iraq
forgot the link.
http://www.chris-floyd.com/index...ge=0&
Itemid=135
Add to that Obama's statements that go farther than either Bush or McCane in calling for an undivided Jerusalem, which is rejected by virtually the entire world community, and what exactly is the difference between them all again?
Do your homework Dave...
Yes, that junior senator from Illinois certainly knows a thing or two about --- oh, sorry. That was Obama's analysis of the stupidity of Bush's invasion of Iraq
Elias | Homepage | 06.14.08 - 2:46 pm | #
Well, that's just proof that you don't understand English. Obama has never (that's NEVER) advocated invading Pakistan.
So what other lies are you going to try to sell, Asshole?
Add to that Obama's statements that go farther than either Bush or McCane in calling for an undivided Jerusalem, which is rejected by virtually the entire world community, and what exactly is the difference between them all again?
Do your homework Dave...
Elias | Homepage | 06.14.08 - 2:47 pm | #
and how, exactly, is this relevant to anything? Anything at all?
It isn't. it's just another one of your straw men for us to burn up and blow away.
Hey Dick, if you laid off the dope, you would have seen that I said it was a mistake of realpolitik of which I will never do again.
Starting with Obama...
Elias | Homepage | 06.14.08 - 2:49 pm | #
hey, dickhead, if you weren't always drunk on your ass when you post here, you might do more than cut and paste rightwing lies.
Or maybe not. You are, after all, very stupid.
I said it was a mistake of realpolitik of which I will never do again.
That's pretty laughible.
Der be sheets, kids.
Zap Rowsdower...True Story! | Homepage | 06.14.08 - 2:42 pm | #
these ones be comfy...
Hey Dave, don't go away. I'll be right back with an answer for you...
Elias | Homepage | 06.14.08 - 2:44 pm | #
hey, Dave, go away. Elias just has more cut and paste wingnut nonsense to spew.
nothing going on upstairs that interests me so i'll just stay here. plus, i'm still waiting for sallyh to respond.
in the meantime, check out these hosers...
no, really... i meant it. i'm staying here.
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