I'MMA LET YOU FINISH
Frist!
3rd
Yeah, it'll suck.
Somethingth.
I have low hopes.
Hey local folks:
"Joe Sestak will be making a major campaign announcement at 8:30 am tomorrow morning. Location: VFW Folsom PA
If you can attend, RSVP
I look forward to speaking with you tomorrow."
Just so you know - and maybe local folk can go?
what do we want!!
Nontrivial improvement over the status quo!
When do we want it!
NOW!
Ali, that big fire is about 50mi NE of you, is it not?
Getting anything signed will be a change from the status quo ... Then the next bill won't be such a 'horror' to the Repubs. The ice will have been broken.
Just so you know - and maybe local folk can go?
Uncle Blodge, Urban Teacher
I can't be there tomorrow, but I will help with the campaign.
Getting anything signed will be a change from the status quo ... Then the next bill won't be such a 'horror' to the Repubs. The ice will have been broken.
ellroon, smolderingwreckian
The ice was broken 45 years with the creation of Medicare. The usual suspects -- Reagan, Goldwater, et al. -- railed against that, too. Socialism, communism, the usual.
I suspect it will do more than protect health insurance profits. Past history suggests that it will place minor burdens on insurers, who will in turn increase premiums far in excess of that required to cover the "onerous" Congressionally-imposed burdens. Congress receives far too much money from the insurance industry for them to act contrary to its interests. In the end, more people will be insured (which is a worthy goal) but rather than the rest of us paying a little more in taxes, we'll be paying a lot more in premiums so that the same assholes who have been gouging us for the last fifty years can buy bigger yachts.
Cash For Clunkers: Two Billion More.
as drops in the bucket go, it's pretty fucking small potatoes. Jim DeMint doesn't like, and neither does DiFi, but if Team Obama fucks this one up they can kiss a lot of votes goodbye.
Evan Bayh must sign off on it.
Fuck, LBJ would have laughed if somebody told him the likes of Evan Bayh was standing between Medicare getting passed or not.
ellroon, I've gotta disagree. The Rethugs can whip up fresh horror every damn time. Can't afford it! Free market!
Yadda yadda!
Buncha whiny idjits.
Remember how the hundreds of billions of TARP was OK because "it's going to buy assets"?
What do we want?
Unthreatening incremental change!
When do we want it?
Whenever it can be obtained without producing too much anxiety!
Tlaz, dunno which one is the big one but there are fires on 3 sides, the closest is 20 km north. Smoky as hell here (and at least 35 degrees every single day for weeks)
Everything smells like campfire.
cucumber vines are scary. they are like boa constrictors. they almost killed a hosta. I left the cut off vine on the hosta as kind of like a battle scar.
I don't know what to say anymore.
If I say something about half-measures and blowing political capital, I'll get my wrist slapped.
What do we want?
Unthreatening incremental change!
When do we want it?
Whenever it can be obtained without producing too much anxiety!
Doc
This needs to be a bumpersticker...
What do we want?
Unthreatening incremental change!
When do we want it?
Whenever it can be obtained without producing too much anxiety!
Doc
Whoah, whoah! Hold on there! Let's not be too hasty! I've got ten or eleven restrictions that I'd like to tack onto that proposal for the benefit of specific campaign contributors, all in the interests of good government, of course.
Ali, I was thinking the one in Lillooet, and the one at Carr's Landing (but that's farther away) but I see now that there are many many fires going on up there. The Vanc Sun page says 700 all over BC. That's just terrible.
Is this APRIL FOOL'S? (THE ONION?)
RUSH LIMBAUGH CLAIMS TO LOSE 90 POUNDS BY POPPING PILLS!!!
I've endured that, Ali; once drove far closer than I meant to to a forest fire near the Umpqua River -- that smell really stays with you.
Maybe reconciliation will produce universal coverage.
I crack myself up sometimes.
cucumber vines are scary. they are like boa constrictors.
You should see what the clematis did to a couple of the roses in my front yard. Just choked them.
Worried about the sausage? Then DO something NOW.
next year i will get a lattice for the cucumbers though.
The other shoe drops.
Todd and Sarah Palin to divorce.
I am recklessly optimistic about the health care.
I think the Republicans are gonna blink. If the claim about 75% of the country wants health care reform is even approximately true, and (this is the big one) if the linkage between the new, proposed plan and Medicare can be established, then it's all over except for the actual vote.
People like Medicare. They depend on it.
I simply don't see why we lower the age of Medicare to zero. Problem (nearly) solved.
The problem is that some less than well informed citizens do not understand that Medicare is a single-payer, government controlled program!
And if the Republicans don't blink, then the political landscape is going to look very different in 2013. The RNC can hold its annual convention in a Motel 6; a small one.
Everything smells like campfire.
ali's inferno
I've been in my backyard catching perfectly formed ash leaves as they float down from the burning foothills.
And Canada shouldn't be burning! It's all green and wet and stuff!
I should've realized you meant the one in Lillooet. I discount it because when we drove thru there 10 days ago it seemed under control. But my neighbour came thru yesterday and said it was enormous.
Yeah, Clematis can get carried away.
In attempts to reduce energy demand, businesses and homeowners were replacing or covering roofs with solar-heat-reflecting white materials, the New York Times reported today. Energy Secretary Steven Chu offered the new slogan, "Make it white," during a recent interview on Comedy Central's "Daily Show." California Energy Commissioner Art Rosenfeld said covering the world's roofs with white or light-colored material would be the equivalent of reducing CO2 emissions by 24 billion metric tons per year. Rosenfeld said: "That is what the whole world emitted last year. So, in a sense, it’s like turning off the world for a year."
The states of California, Florida and Georgia, local officials, and large companies such as Wal-Mart have joined the trend, and under the EPA Energy Star program, such remodeling could qualify for "federal stimulus dollars earmarked for energy-efficiency projects."
The ice was broken 45 years with the creation of Medicare. The usual suspects -- Reagan, Goldwater, et al. -- railed against that, too. Socialism, communism, the usual.
Gummo
Yup. And what did it do? Took the most expensive clients off the hands of Big Insurance, leaving the younger and healthier to keep paying in and getting less back.
So what is the most likely outcome now? A "public option" whose entry requirements are so restrictive--existing health condition, low/irregular income, etc--that these are people Big Ins doesn't want anyway, just like the old.
So they get to continue cherrypicking the cheap to cover just like now, and the Public Option pool consists entirely of the poor and expensive to care for. So it costs a lot and can't bring much in. Oh, and it will have a big fat "conscience option" for providers, so those whose consciences are offended by dirty poor non-rich patients don't have to take public option payments. Instead of Medicare For All we'll wind up with Medicaid for all.
which sucks. In the 10 years I've been in TN there has never been a time when non-critically-ill-or-injured adults without children were being admitted into the program. Every time there's a budget crunch it's made more restrictive so more people are thrown off.
I simply don't see why we lower the age of Medicare to zero. Problem (nearly) solved.
Agreed, but it would need to be done gradually. This would be a simple-to-understand concept that would be difficult to demonize.
I'm sorry, I'll read that again.
"I simply don't see why we can't lower the age of Medicare to zero. Problem (nearly) solved."
Todd and Sarah Palin to divorce.
Noam Sane | 08.03.09 - 10:56 am | #
Was denied by her spokesperson.
Still, we can live in hope.
David Derbes--hate to disagree with your assertion Medicare would work universally. It works now because the underpayments are extracted from the rest of the insured population. It's subsidized heavily, albeit indirectly.
It would be the nationalization of the health care system and that's simply not going to happen which is why we're seeing this crazy quilt of "solutions."
"I simply don't see why we can't lower the age of Medicare to zero. Problem (nearly) solved."
David Derbes, optimistic | 08.03.09 - 10:59 am | #
Seems like a very simple solution, doesn't it?
So what is the most likely outcome now? A "public option" whose entry requirements are so restrictive--existing health condition, low/irregular income, etc--that these are people Big Ins doesn't want anyway, just like the old.
I don't think we'll see a public option. I expect the status quo plus mandates to cover pre-ex conditions and limited restrictions on rescission, both giving the insurers effectively unlimited license to jack up premiums across the board.
Still, we can live in hope.
Living in Hope... wasn't that a Rutles song?
I think Barry sang it...
Agreed, but it would need to be done gradually. This would be a simple-to-understand concept that would be difficult to demonize.
Noam Sane
Why does it have to be done gradually?
Bipartisan Consensus.
Decisive action. Also.
~
I simply don't see why we lower the age of Medicare to zero. Problem (nearly) solved.
Noam Sane :Agreed, but it would need to be done gradually. This would be a simple-to-understand concept that would be difficult to demonize.
Really, why "gradually"?
Screw incrementalism (see above). Do it now.
~
RUSH LIMBAUGH CLAIMS TO LOSE 90 POUNDS BY POPPING PILLS!!!
attaturk | Homepage | 08.03.09 - 10:54 am
I remember when Zero Mostel went on a crash diet, lost a ton of weight, felt great about it, and dropped dead of a heart attack.
So there's hope.
This is fun, with video!
''' Glenn Beck has uncovered a plot! (Yes, another one.)
Turns out Van Jones, President Obama’s green jobs czar, is going to coordinate a vast radical/communist/black nationalist takeover of our sweet, virginal land of liberty. Most diabolical of all, he’s going to do it by organizing efforts to train and employ low-income people in private sector jobs. Don’t you understand? They’re going to take over from the inside! You know: them.
Admit it, it’s brilliant. Here Beck exposes the cabal of Big Labor, Big Green, Big Business, and Big Commie, orchestrated by the many-tentacled Apollo Alliance: '''
http://www.grist.org/article/200...te-sector-jobs/
Still, we can live in hope.
My hope is that she divorces herself from the human race.
The ice was broken 45 years with the creation of Medicare.
Yeah, the GOP's trying to claim this is some sort of dangerous experiment. Uh...we already did the experiment, it worked, yay!
The states of California, Florida and Georgia, local officials, and large companies such as Wal-Mart have joined the trend, and under the EPA Energy Star program, such remodeling could qualify for "federal stimulus dollars earmarked for energy-efficiency projects."
WHITE POWER!
Er, um, let me think of a better slogan...
Whatever kind of plan gets passed, if it takes anything away from nurses, expect hell.
No nurses aren't going to march on Congress with machine guns. It will just mean that hospitals have to resort to lay-offs, pay-freezes, and other measures to "keep costs down."
Labor=costs, which must be cut again and again.
Profits=god's will that rich people get richer.
My hope is that she divorces herself from the human race.
Noam Sane
She appears to have divorced herself from reality some time ago.
RUSH LIMBAUGH CLAIMS TO LOSE 90 POUNDS BY POPPING PILLS!!!
attaturk
What, did they blow his head off?
Why does it have to be done gradually?
to mitigate unforseen complications.
It works now because the underpayments are extracted from the rest of the insured population. It's subsidized heavily, albeit indirectly.
So how will that not work with a larger insured pool?
White clay roof Tiles could become popular, heat-reflective and fire-resistant.
remodling isnt bad, is it?
it is like modeling.
I remember when Zero Mostel went on a crash diet, lost a ton of weight, felt great about it, and dropped dead of a heart attack.
R. McGeddon
And here I was all depressed about the uselessness of our leaders. Now you've given me something to look forward to!
Seems like a very simple solution, doesn't it?
Brooklyn Girl, shady dame
Well, in my experience, simple solutions to complex problems are nearly always wrong, but I don't know what's wrong with this.
The great advantage is that it takes a proven solution that no one is afraid of and merely extends the group covered. Hard to see how people get frightened by that.
Except, of course, the f*in' bastard HMO pieces of s*, in Helen Hunt's immortal language.
i>Whatever it is will be a rube goldberg plan
Exactly. We already have a template for a working plan - Medicare. And everyone knows it. And everyone is scared to death of the idea of simply making it available to all of us.
Why had no one proposed that people should just stop demanding services? that seems to be the simplest solution.
Clay roofs in a seismic zone = flat people.
When I asked what they thought that meant, they said, "government takeover of health care." And they were seriously worried about how that was going to affect them.
It's fear. Very powerful emotion, also leads people all kinds of irrationality.
Why had no one proposed that people should just stop demanding services? that seems to be the simplest solution.
euphronius failure
I think Michelle Malkin got there ahead of you.
With extra spittle thrown in, as a bonus.
And everyone is scared to death of the idea of simply making it [Medicare] available to all of us.
Roddy McCorley
And who would "everyone" be, Charlie?
White clay roof Tiles could become popular, heat-reflective and fire-resistant.
plantsman, mad google skillz
We redid the roofs on our condo complex about a year and a half ago. I had to work like hell to convince the older ladies who wanted a real dark brown color of shingles that a lighter color was more energy-efficient. We still ended up with a compromise so it wouldn't clash with the colors of the buildings.
Rube GOldberg machines work. so that would be a step up if we got one of those.
Someone would have to be in charge of the parrot though.
And who would "everyone" be, Charlie?
David Derbes, optimistic | 08.03.09 - 11:05 am | #
You know, I'll never be able to read a sentence like that ever again without hearing her voice.
And who would "everyone" be, Charlie?
David Derbes, optimistic
The insurance industry, and the 30% of the population who can reliably be shepherded by media properties owned by or sympathetic to the insurance industry.
I think the real issue with health care hasn't been touched yet. What we got in this country is a bunch of poor fat folks. Once these get on a government plan there's gonna be tons of incentive to go after Big Food and their salt, sugar, and fat diet they're stuffing down our throats.
You know, I'll never be able to read a sentence like that ever again without hearing her voice.
Brooklyn Girl, shady dame
Mission Accomplished, Charlie!
Also.
we could have a Parrot Czar. Or Undersecretary of the Alarm Clock and Egg Roller.
Roddy McCorley : Exactly. We already have a template for a working plan - Medicare. And everyone knows it. And everyone is scared to death of the idea of simply making it available to all of us.
Medicare works so well, that a great many wingers don't even think of it as a government plan. So:
Medicare for All: No charge for over 55, under 18, and up to, say 400% of poverty level. Everyone else can buy in, or not, through employers.
~
oh it will suck but you can bet everyone who votes for it and signs it into law will tell you it is fucking awesome so that they don't have to revisit this painful awkward process and can get back to defending the oligarchy in peace
When I asked what they thought that meant, they said, "government takeover of health care." And they were seriously worried about how that was going to affect them.
It's fear. Very powerful emotion, also leads people all kinds of irrationality.
C/T, translator
For the life of me, I cannot fathom why this is scarier than the idea of an insurance company accountant who probably gets a bonus for saving the company money making their health care decisions for them.
Why our side doesn't hammer this point home is beyond me.
Fires are more prevalent in seismic zones than temblors, thus we see clay roofs in California.
Once these get on a government plan there's gonna be tons of incentive to go after Big Food and their salt, sugar, and fat diet they're stuffing down our throats.
Ericka and I were musing about that the other day. We'll have incentive and also be emboldened to take on the powerful industries that keep us in thrall.
Universal Medicare solves the access issue but not the cost is my point. The "real costs" are masked at the moment. So how this gets paid for is the political hot potato.
Not saying I'm opposed, just putting out the complication. Expensive insurance paid for by an employer while still "costing" you is not as obvious as having to pay higher taxes for the same coverage, and remember, the vast majority of Americans are covered pretty well through work. I get that there are problems with all that, just saying it's tough even in good times to raise taxes.
Once these get on a government plan there's gonna be tons of incentive to go after Big Food and their salt, sugar, and fat diet they're stuffing down our throats.
Mike
High Fructose Corn Syrup Creates Jobs!
It's precisely because experience with insurers is so bad, it is easy to imagine even worse horrors with a government takeover.
We demand nutritional standards for pet foods, but we pretend humans will always make wise choices in the face of constant pandering by junk food makers.
Problem: Trash on Beach
Cause of Problem: President Obama has inculcated people to believing the government will take care of everything.
Source: LTE
Problem with Cause of Problem: People leaving trash on the beach think just like LTE writer does.
Ericka and I were musing about that the other day. We'll have incentive and also be emboldened to take on the powerful industries that keep us in thrall.
NTodd, Fetal Monitor | Homepage | 08.03.09 - 11:08 am | #
This can only end with an america where nearly everyone now jobless is employed building renewable energy systems, solar power or white tile roofs, eating healthy food and secure with good health insurance. Oh the horror.
There was a time when people were afraid to ride in cars. Afraid of flying. Afraid of going to school with people of different color/religion/sex/orientation. Afraid of leaving home. Afraid of asking out that cute girl/guy. Afraid of taking any chance at all.
This country of ours is supposed to be a great experiment, the home of the brave. What we have is not working. We have a system that is working. You just have to live long enough to be eligible.
Why? Why do you have to wait? Remember Jimmy Stewart in "It's A Wonderful Life" as he rails against the little minds of Bedford Falls; Potter and his ilk want the little people to have to wait to live in a decent house. Why? Why should anyone have to wait? We have the means to give everyone decent health NOW.
For the life of me, I cannot fathom why this is scarier than the idea of an insurance company accountant who probably gets a bonus for saving the company money making their health care decisions for them.
The lizard brains are in love with the idea of rich guys getting richer. It's irrational, but it's a bedrock truth on which politicians know they can rely. Minimum-wage rednecks lining up for $5 gas will defend to the death the right of the oil company CEOs to stash their collusionary profits in the Caymans rather than let it fall into the hands of the evil government, which would do something crazy like give said rednecks a job, or fix their sewers, or educate their kids.
The hallmark of my ideal health care plan is one in which most of the people, nurses and primary care physicians are happy and most of the specialists and insurance complanies are royally pissed off.
Clay roof are a style preference left over from the mission days, you know, back when walls were 4 to 6 feet thick. Fire in tract homes is very rare, regardless of the media perception, usually striking only at the wilderness margins of developments. Anyone who hangs 8 tons of clay over their heads in a seismic zone deserves what they get.
Medicare for All: No charge for over 55, under 18, and up to, say 400% of poverty level. Everyone else can buy in, or not, through employers.
~
Meander
Meander for Secretary of Health and Human Services!
(Or at least Senator!)
nah i couldnt live with doctors being happy. they must suffer for their sins. Nurses - OK- they can be happy.
It's precisely because experience with insurers is so bad, it is easy to imagine even worse horrors with a government takeover.
C/T, translator
Think Dept of Motor Vehicles. Ever try to reach a live person on the phone at Social Security or the Post Office? It's not entirely irrational.
No charge for over 55, under 18, and up to, say 400% of poverty level.
You know, if we also raised the "poverty level" to a more, shall we say, "realistic" number, we wouldn't have to make it "400% of"...
The difficulty in getting anything better than the status quo lies here:
http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2...mall-
state.html
shows the imbalance of our "representative" democracy and what results with equal protection of our corporate "citizens."
Well, Universal Medicare will require an increase in taxes. There is little to be gained by talking around that. Bump the Medicare payroll contributions up to the same level as Social Security payroll contributions. Maybe include a luxury tax for higher salaries.
Think Dept of Motor Vehicles. Ever try to reach a live person on the phone at Social Security or the Post Office? It's not entirely irrational.
noblejoanie | Homepage | 08.03.09 - 11:13 am | #
Ever try to reach a live person calling Oxford Health?
ive had only positive experience with the DMV. huh.
Hey maybe if the dems win big in 2010 and obama gets reelected in 2012 we can call for a new constitutional convention and apportion senators inline with their state populations.
Also true, not entirely irrational, especially if the GOP ever gets back into power. I find the DMV works fine - FEMA, TSA, CIA, NSA, however....
For the life of me, I cannot fathom why this is scarier than the idea of an insurance company accountant who probably gets a bonus for saving the company money making their health care decisions for them.
Why our side doesn't hammer this point home is beyond me.
Doc
You got me by the left eyebrow, Doc.
I understand that some of our elected representatives are hip deep in the pocket of the health care fascists, but in the immortal words of Sam Rayburn, "Son, if you can't take their money, drink their whiskey, screw their women, and then vote against 'em, you don't deserve to be here."
Well, Universal Medicare will require an increase in taxes. There is little to be gained by talking around that. Bump the Medicare payroll contributions up to the same level as Social Security payroll contributions. Maybe include a luxury tax for higher salaries.
Snow (D-SC) | Homepage | 08.03.09 - 11:14 am |
Works for me! It would still come out to be less than my monthly premium and deductible.
The lizard brains are in love with the idea of rich guys getting richer. It's irrational, but it's a bedrock truth on which politicians know they can rely. Minimum-wage rednecks lining up for $5 gas will defend to the death the right of the oil company CEOs to stash their collusionary profits in the Caymans rather than let it fall into the hands of the evil government, which would do something crazy like give said rednecks a job, or fix their sewers, or educate their kids.
Dr. Wu
That's true, but I just don't believe it was always that way (like, during the Great Depression). It has been made the case by one side of the political spectrum that is willing to pound a lie home relentlessly for years and years until people can't remember anything different. Our side has the advantage of not needing to lie, but we should not be scared of pounding the truth home just as aggressively.
i dont forsee small states agreeing to population based senate "redistricting"
Hey maybe if the dems win big in 2010 and obama gets reelected in 2012 we can call for a new constitutional convention and apportion senators inline with their state populations.
Mike
Works for me: we could get one Senator for Wyoming, Montana, North Dakota, South Dakota, and Nebraska.
EUPHRONIUS!
How did it go!?!?!?!?!?
and one for NH, Vermont and Delaware.
it works both ways.
That's true, but I just don't believe it was always that way (like, during the Great Depression). It has been made the case by one side of the political spectrum that is willing to pound a lie home relentlessly for years and years until people can't remember anything different. Our side has the advantage of not needing to lie, but we should not be scared of pounding the truth home just as aggressively.
Doc | 08.03.09 - 11:16 am | #
I particularly love it when people inside the government tell me I shouldn't trust the government. What they're really saying is that I shouldn't trust them.
Snow is right. Obama is making noises about higher taxes as we speak. Republicans have been expert at spooking us all about higher taxes for about two decades now.
Plus we've just given away a ton of money to the financial sector and are fighting two wars.
Not the easiest thing to do, raise taxes.
Why the public option sucks:
http://www.farleftside.com/2009/...2009/8-3-
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Hey maybe if the dems win big in 2010 and obama gets reelected in 2012 we can call for a new constitutional convention and apportion senators inline with their state populations.
Mike
And Texas gets five? No thanks.
Well, Universal Medicare will require an increase in taxes. There is little to be gained by talking around that. Bump the Medicare payroll contributions up to the same level as Social Security payroll contributions. Maybe include a luxury tax for higher salaries.
Snow (D-SC)
No problem. I am paying for the education of my neighbor's children in school (my one and only has graduated college.) My neighbors paid to educate her. Social Contract, kids.
Works for me: we could get one Senator for Wyoming, Montana, North Dakota, South Dakota, and Nebraska.
DWD- NO Pinheads
And seven or eight for California and New York.
Works for me! It would still come out to be less than my monthly premium and deductible.
It is the fear. I just recommended nearly doubling payroll contributions. SS contributions are about 6% while Medicare are only 1%. People will freak out over that.
RIL-
horrible experience. scarring. I am 40% sure i passed. I finished all the questions and at least had "something" down that looked ok. so . . .her is hoping.
Our DMV is very efficient.
Even dealing with the government healthcare bureaucracy isn't bad.
As someone who has worked in health care for years it is hard for me to imagine that whatever Congress passes will be worse than what we have today. It will be by no means ideal (is anything in the real world) but a program that gets health coverage for just about everyone with a minimum level of benefits will be a huge improvement over what we have today.
And it will be popular because you won't be in a position of losing your health coverage when you lose your job. That is why Repubs are scared to death of it and want it to fail.
instead of changing the senate, you could devolve more power to the states.
Modern tile roofs are not as heavy as you portray them, and they are not combustible. Anyone with a TV remembers the firestorms in Southern California (San Diego County, Santa Barbara County, etc.) where fire destroyed homes.
Our side has the advantage of not needing to lie, but we should not be scared of pounding the truth home just as aggressively.
Doc
You're preaching to the choir there, Doc, and I'll give you a big "Amen." But I do think there's something akin to Stockholm Syndrome at work here. For Joe Sixpack, turning against the rich fuckers who are shafting him requires admitting that he's getting shafted. Sucking up to them lets him feel like he's part of the same species as the billionaires who are bleeding him dry, and the millionaires on TV and the radio who are trying to make him like it.
Our DMV is inside a Sears store.
Unleash the DRUDGE SIREN,
HILLARY IS ON HER WAY TO KENYA!!!!
horrible experience.
You'll get no quarrel from me on that score.
scarring.
Understood. Again: no quarrel.
I am 40% sure i passed.
You passed. I was 100% sure I'd failed. I passed. You passed.
What they're really saying is that I shouldn't trust them.
Hammer this is Nail. Nail this is Hammer. Hammer just hit you on the head.
Health care reform? Not if I can help it...
And it will be popular because you won't be in a position of losing your health coverage when you lose your job. That is why Repubs are scared to death of it and want it to fail.
John M
Certainly that is a big part of it. Republicans. Love. Serfs.
instead of changing the senate, you could devolve more power to the states.
Kuncinich's amendment to allow states to start their own single-payer systems passed. So if they keep that in the reconciled bill, we'd have that option.
euph,
What did you do when it was over?
I cried like a baby for about six hours straight. Near-hysterical. Until a friend ordered me to come to her beach house and jump in the ocean. Which I did. And which stopped the tears.
Res is a kind hearted person.
How's the appetite, kid? When you showin' up for the fancy-ass pizza?
noblejoanie : Universal Medicare solves the access issue but not the cost is my point. The "real costs" are masked at the moment. So how this gets paid for is the political hot potato.
You sell it. Like I said before : No charge for over 55, under 18, and up to, say 400% of poverty level. Everyone else can buy in, or not, through employers.
~
Dr. Wu : which would do something crazy like give said rednecks a job, or fix their sewers, or educate their kids.
Rednecks can and will cut their own throats if it would keep a brown person from getting a bit of advantage.
~
We pay a Medicare premium now, once it starts. It's about $100 a month and is deducted from one's Social Security check. I assume that would continue to be done if it were extended, except that those not yet on SS would pay directly.
I cried like a baby for about six hours straight.
I slept 48 hours straight.
I see the Stockholm Syndrome in our leaders, probably to more of an extent than the rank-and-file. If a Democrat believes strongly in a principle, and has air time practically guaranteed (I'm looking at you, Senator Reid), why don't they use the time to push the principle? The Republicans sure do.
G'morning.
We had our meeting w/the hospital re: merger, and we know less than we did before.
I guess that stress of a specified origin will be going on for an undisclosed period of time, until powers that be remove figure out how to write this puppet show.
I am not encouraged.
David Derbes, : Meander for Secretary of Health and Human Services!
(Or at least Senator!)
I promise to be bribed openly.
~
dave™© : You know, if we also raised the "poverty level" to a more, shall we say, "realistic" number, we wouldn't have to make it "400% of"...
Raising the poverty level would be the next step. So keep the 400% in place for now. 
~
D. Derbes: autumn!
Thanks for sending those flowers to Olaf's service. Very nice of you. Do you need some cash-ish?
Rednecks can and will cut their own throats if it would keep a brown person from getting an equal opportunity.
~
Meander
Offered as a friendly amendment.
Rednecks can and will cut their own throats if it would keep a brown person from getting a bit of advantage.
Meander
That's a good point--the cradle of true lizard-brainism is still the South, where it's difficult to underestimate the influence of racism.
Vicki, guess it was time to "baffle you guys with bullshit."
Criminals of the day:
Stockbridge - Four Wisconsin women are accused of tying up and assaulting a married man after allegedly finding out he was romantically involved with each of them.
The women are each charged with being party to false imprisonment, a felony with a maximum prison term of six years. One is charged with fourth-degree sexual assault.
Calumet County prosecutors say 48-year-old Therese A. Ziemann of Menasha lured the man to a Stockbridge motel last Thursday. Prosecutors say she was soon joined by 43-year-old Michelle Belliveau of Neenah; 43-year-old Wendy L. Sewell of Kaukauna; and the man's wife.
Authorities say Ziemann punched the man in the face and glued his penis to his stomach.
Doc : If a Democrat believes strongly in a principle, and has air time practically guaranteed (I'm looking at you, Senator Reid), why don't they use the time to push the principle?
Did you know that people HERE don't believe me when I tell them that Reid and Pelosi can be on the air anytime that they want?
~
HILLARY IS ON HER WAY TO KENYA!!!!
attaturk
I guess she's gonna Vince Foster a bunch of officials in the Ministry of Birth Certificates.
What did you do when it was over?
I cried like a baby for about six hours straight. Near-hysterical. Until a friend ordered me to come to her beach house and jump in the ocean. Which I did. And which stopped the tears.
res ipsa loquitur | Homepage | 08.03.09 - 11:21
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like snow i slept for about 2 days. I got sick by the third day of the exam and then stayed in bed all Friday and Saturday. Im still feeling woozy today. that much stress is NOT healthy.
We need Klingon protestors in the Senate to stand up and shout 'We Klingons believe as you do: the sick should die! Only the strong should live!'
I cried like a baby for about six hours straight.
I slept 48 hours straight.
I came onto this blog and bragged about how I clearly passed, then insulted all the other lawyers here. Then I made up more fiction about myself.
glued his penis to his stomach?
To me, the CPA exam was half again more difficult than the bar exam.
The breadth of material to be responsible for was incredible.
To this day, I have no idea how I passed that damnable thing.
Immediately after I started making plans to take the test again, assuming that I failed. Heh. I did not.
Thanks for sending those flowers to Olaf's service. Very nice of you. Do you need some cash-ish?
res ipsa loquitur
Nyet, but thanks. My wife may be a little grumpy about it, but then I'll remind her that her brother's daughter had her financial aid reduced from $30K to $6K, and guess who is making that up?
(This institution of higher learning would be USC. It's nothing to do with her grades, she's Dean's List. Hell, no. They reduced everyone about like that. They waited till the third week of August to tell people. Nice, huh?)
Kuncinich's amendment to allow states to start their own single-payer systems passed. So if they keep that in the reconciled bill, we'd have that option.
NTodd, Fetal Monitor | Homepage | 08.03.09 - 11:21
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my idea has been federal block grants for state run plans that were 99% or 100% full covereage. sort of like how the Fed sponsors primary education.
We need Klingon protestors in the Senate to stand up and shout 'We Klingons believe as you do: the sick should die! Only the strong should live!'
That would set the movement back 40 years.
If a Democrat believes strongly in a principle, and has air time practically guaranteed (I'm looking at you, Senator Reid)
The same reason prostitutes don't give freebies. Rich guys bought him his seat, and they aren't going to be happy if he starts with the crazy talk about liberty and justice for all.
that much stress is NOT healthy.
Agree. It was awful. Worst experienced I've had that did not involve death.
Rednecks can and will cut their own throats if it would keep a brown person from getting a bit of advantage.
Meander
That's a good point--the cradle of true lizard-brainism is still the South, where it's difficult to underestimate the influence of racism.
Dr. Wu
Oddly, I hear the n-word more openly used in states like Ohio. Is it supposed to be a virtue that they're more open about it, or something?
Kuncinich's amendment to allow states to start their own single-payer systems passed. So if they keep that in the reconciled bill, we'd have that option.
NTodd, Fetal Monitor | Homepage | 08.03.09 - 11:21
That might be better. Who wants to pay for all those poor fat hicks in Alabama?
David Derbes - Serfs. LOL.
Fifteen years ago The Repubs (Bill Kristol actually) went on record saying that the passage of health reform would be incredibly popular and it had to be stopped. They are scared to say it this time b/c things are so much worse but they no doubt still believe.
Incidentally, if Obama succeeds in getting even an imperfect bill that achieves universal coverage it will be historic. He will have succeeded where every President going back to Harry Truman has failed.
Was on the beach/drinking a beer within 2 hrs. of finishing up on day 2. Forgot everything within days.
Alright, my outrage meter has peaked and it's time for breakfast. Seeya.
To me, the CPA exam was half again more difficult than the bar exam.
After court this morning I had this very conversation with another lawyer who had taken the CPA Exam. He agreed with you that the CPA was harder.
I had the opposite opinion.
The GOP are idiots.
if W bush had gotten behind single payer McCain would be president today.
idiots.
Chucky Todd is telling me Obama is going to have a hard time selling the "new normal".
What's so hard about selling that upper salaries and bonuses may return to sanity? That home equity is going to become realistic?
It's not the new normal. It's the return to normal, as far as I can see.
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Immediately after I started making plans to take the test again, assuming that I failed. Heh. I did not.
C/T, translator
Dood, I bailed on the LSAT after three segments b/c I was nerve-wracked. I walked home, dialed the number to register for the next administration. Asked the operator, "Have you ever had someone register for the next administration while the current test is still in progress?"
Yes. She had.
This calls for leadership from the top. Otherwise a handful of Congress critters makes this work for the special interests.
It's one thing to stump for health care reform with loose outlines. What I have in mind is a list of must-haves, a bill even, that the White House uses its bully pulpit to get enacted.
Dream on, I know.
The lizard brains are in love with the idea of rich guys getting richer. It's irrational, but it's a bedrock truth on which politicians know they can rely. Minimum-wage rednecks lining up for $5 gas will defend to the death the right of the oil company CEOs to stash their collusionary profits in the Caymans rather than let it fall into the hands of the evil government, which would do something crazy like give said rednecks a job, or fix their sewers, or educate their kids.
Dr. Wu
........The most cogent statement on the decline of democracy in America,its present problems both economically and socially,its foreign wars,its dim future.
i had 3 days Jay C.
the 3rd day is killer.
The CPA exam is supposed to be brutal.
if W bush had gotten behind single payer McCain would be president today.
idiots.
euphronius failure | 08.03.09 - 11:28 am | #
By this time he would have resigned and Palin would have us in a War with Russia
That would set the movement back 40 years.
"Brother, if they liked that, then they're starving for some REAL hoofin'!!"
(boogies like a Bolshevik)
Shorter T-Paw in today's WaPo: Only Tort Reform will get us out of this mess.
Authorities say Ziemann punched the man in the face and glued his penis to his stomach.
Ralphie; |
lol. is there video? that must have been a lot of fun for those wimmin. heh.
i cancelled my first LSAT the morning after i took it.
now i look back on the LSAt and laugh at its simpleness.
After court this morning I had this very conversation with another lawyer who had taken the CPA Exam. He agreed with you that the CPA was harder.
I went to school with a retired cardiologist who was getting a JD just for kicks. He was amused by the whole process.
Gots to get to stuff.
Rainin' pretty good here in teh People's Republic of Hyde Park...
Three days is just out of hand.
Was that PA/MBE/NJ?
Forgot everything within days.
Jay C.
Last week, a friend called and asked me about something called an "Order to show cause". I knew I'd heard of it in some class, but had not thought of it since.
This calls for leadership from the top. Otherwise a handful of Congress critters makes this work for the special interests.
I think it calls for leadership from the grassroots. But we need more grassroots doing it.
A third day would have killed me.
pa-mbe-nj yeah
NJ was killer. harder than any law school exam ive ever seen.
The lizard brains are in love with the idea of rich guys getting richer.
If you tax rich people I will lose all my incentive to win the lottery.
NJ was killer. harder than any law school exam ive ever seen.
euphronius failure
NJ-level corruption takes a special breed of lawyer.
Whether to solve it or help it along I'm not going to say....
NTodd--I appreciate your fervor, but Tammy Baldwin is my representative. She ran for congress years ago on the issue of health care reform.
Not much I can do but beat my metaphorical gums here.
I'd aim the grassroots initiative at the top. That's who has the power to make this happen.
Last week, a friend called and asked me about something called an "Order to show cause". I knew I'd heard of it in some class, but had not thought of it since.
res ipsa loquitur
I recently won something having to do with minimum contacts, the whole PJ deal. It was the nerdiest exercise this side of law school. Good fun.
Vicki, guess it was time to "baffle you guys with bullshit."
plantsman
Yeah. Been exercising, going to bed early, taking Xanax instead of having a cocktail, and sleeping.
It's the only way I know how to combat stress without drinking too much.
I need to feel good right now, even if there are unknowns.
But it isn't about me, it's about all the others in admin, too.
So...done complaining.
Oddly, I hear the n-word more openly used in states like Ohio. Is it supposed to be a virtue that they're more open about it, or something?
Doc | 08.03.09 - 11:26 am | #
the rural midwest is about as racist as it gets in the u.s. in my experience
utah might top it
I appreciate your fervor, but Tammy Baldwin is my representative. She ran for congress years ago on the issue of health care reform.
I love her. Should I not?
That Obama. He's got some nerve. He's on tv explaining the GI Bill, teaching history again.
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NJ was killer. harder than any law school exam ive ever seen.
euphronius
Yikes.
Because the states are all staggered in that way, I had people back in NC calling on my phone all wasted after my day 1 (THEIR day 2). "What are you doing to celebrate?" "Trying to get some sleep and watch Matt Clement's arm fly off mid-pitch. Goodnight."
He will have succeeded where every President going back to Harry Truman has failed.
John M
if a real bill that delivers real care passes, you'll be correct. but pushing a shitty bill that delivers nothing more than more money to insurance companies and more headache and paperwork to patients and providers? not how i define "success."
i've been dealing a lot with gummint health care, and i have to say, a lot about it sucks, isn't fair, and bringing corporations into it has only made it worse. thanks, Medicare part D! so i'm very, very worried that the Village is going to pass something that will in fact make my life and those of the ones i care for more expensive, and more demanding of our time, which are both things we really cannot afford.
Chucky Todd is telling me Obama is going to have a hard time selling the "new normal".
What's so hard about selling that upper salaries and bonuses may return to sanity? That home equity is going to become realistic?<
Any time a news/commentary show show is going to discuss income and taxation, there should be a flashing red disclaimer on the screen; "PLEASE NOTE, (name of speaker) MAKES 11 BRAZILLION DOLLARS A YEAR"...
the last NJ question was something like "Buyer sues Builder. Builder servers answer and new matter on Buyer's attorney. without telling Buyer, Buyer's attorney withdraws from teh case and ignores the answer and new matter. Buyer, due to unrelated stress, then has a nervous breakdown and is institutionalized for 21 days and has his house forclosed on. Then Builder crossclaims in Insurer. Insurer moves for summary judgment. notice sent to Buyer's old attorney who ignores it. Buyer is in your office. Outline all possible claims, defense, and actions Buyer could take."
that was only 1/4 of the question.
Shorter T-Paw in today's WaPo: Only Tort Reform will get us out of this mess.
The single largest cost component of medical malpractice is?
Hint: Not jury verdicts; that is 0.2% of health care costs.
Hint: Not malpractice insurance premiums; that is 0.3% of health care costs.
ah the Matt Clement era. good times.
By Greg Griffin, The Denver Post
The American Recovery and Reinvestment Act is supposed to
create or save 59,000 jobs in Colorado by the end of 2010, but five
months into the program, state officials can link fewer than 1,000
new full-time-equivalent positions to stimulus spending.
.
How many jobs did the Bush tax cuts create? Oh, right, zero.
Oddly, I hear the n-word more openly used in states like Ohio. Is it supposed to be a virtue that they're more open about it, or something?
Doc
Went back home for a friend's father's funeral last week. Met a lot of people I hadn't seen in more that 10 years. These were good ol' Pennsyltucky folk, classic white ethnics that dropped the n-bomb like the rest of us exhale. (Usually in reference to whenever Donovan McNabb or Randall Cunninham would throw an interception.)
Lo and behold, they now have a "black friend"!
So maybe there IS something to all this "hope and change" stuff after all.
I love her. Should I not?
Vicki,
Of course. She's taking rations of shit, though, locally for settling for less than single-payer. As if she could turn this ship around on her own.
http://www.thedailypage.com/
isth...ae38b028ceb09a9
We had a question with a possible gay marriage implication. (I think the divorcing couple's names were Pat and Connie or something like that).
the casual racism of central PA is maddening. i hate it.
The single largest cost component of medical malpractice is?
My quarterly incentive bonus.
ALL actions?
"9. Call Tony Soprano"
"First, I would advise Buyer to flee the country."
OMG OMG !!!
one NJ question was "state wants to tax 75% of all bonuses received from executives in corps that recieve TARP funds. discuss constitutionality"!!
we talked about that on this here blog!
Believe me, there's plenty of racism in the South, too. I just get a little perturbed when people act as if the phenomenon is confined to this region. Motes in neighbor's eye, beams in one's own, etc.
holy fuck wait.
am i allowed to talk about the questions?
fuck.
Snow--administrative overhead?
What do I win?
(Or was it defensive medicine--can I get partial credit?)
good to hear you're done, euph. i'm sure you did fine.
am i allowed to talk about the questions?
fuck.
euphronius
delete his account!
Tammy Baldwin is my representative. She ran for congress years ago on the issue of health care reform.
Not much I can do but beat my metaphorical gums here.
I disagree.
1) You build a relationship that can help with other issues.
2) You support her and let her know you've got her back, which is incredibly important on this issue and others in the future.
3) You can strategize about how to get other Members on board--who's wavering, who's on the fence, what kind of pressure can work, groups she's working with.
No you are not.
Please continue.
Of course. She's taking rations of shit, though, locally for settling for less than single-payer. As if she could turn this ship around on her own.
Yeah, that's about what I thought. I made a promise that I'm visiting Ehlers, even if he does hate my guts.
The right is attempting to organize agaisnt health care; we need to be even more diligent. Of course, I'm talking to a brick computer screen, I feel, sometimes.
I was waiting for that 3rd Amendment question that never came.
"When you get home, King George III is sleeping on your couch..."
He will have succeeded where every President going back to Harry Truman has failed.
John M
Which will drive the Birthers straight up the wall. All the way. To the Moon, Alice!
Severe turbulence shook a Continental Airlines flight today, injuring dozens of passengers and forcing the aircraft to divert to Miami, according to the airline and a fire official. "People that weren't seat belted in flew up and hit the ceilings," passenger John Norwood told WSVN. "So their faces, their heads hit the plastics and broke all the plastics up top."
Son digs up dead dad, takes him home
Horrified mom sees baby for sale online
Two tiny sisters drown in new home's pool
Nazi concentration camp survivor, 90, strangled
Swimmer's hand pops off in shark's mouth
HAPPY MONDAY, PEEPS!!!!
chicago dyke, no more hands | Homepage | 08.03.09 - 11:34 am | #
yes but it will kick the political problem down the field for another 15 years which sits many (most) in washington just fine
My Rep, Peter Welch, is a cosponsor of HR676. And we're still meeting with him on Thursday just before Ericka's doc appt.
Imagine what the landscape would look like if every Congresscritter had people in their office, demanding real reform. Republican, Blue Dog, "Good" Dem...a universal response to the issue would be very powerful.
Just wish more people were advocating for follow-up actions, including higher-level interventions, after Recess...
holy fuck wait.
am i allowed to talk about the questions?
fuck.
euphronius failure
Of course not. All of education is simply a game between those who prescribe the answers, and those who are required to guess what they might be. How do we continue to replicate the current power structure of society if the little people know what might be on the test?
Which will drive the Birthers straight up the wall. All the way. To the Moon, Alice!
Meanie-meanie, tickle a person
Kenya believe that?
"Quit this place or I shall write to teh Prince Regent and have your privileges prescribed!
poppies:
Greater concentrations of carbon dioxide in a warming world may have a drastic effect on the potency of opium poppies, according to a new study. While this increase might mean more morphine available for legal pharmaceutical uses, the painkiller is also the main ingredient in heroin.
http://scienceline.org/2009/08/0...climate-change/
Its a good thing the Taliban shut down opium production in the early 2000s.
Kuncinich/Levi in 2016
We had a metes-and-bounds question. Had to draw something to figure it out.
Snow--administrative overhead?
What do I win?
(Or was it defensive medicine--can I get partial credit?)
Nope and nope. It is the intangible costs of the injured being out of work and/or needing additional medical treatment. Estimated to be 0.5% of total health care costs, between $12 billion to as much as nearly $30 billion.
(Administrative overhead would be tied into premiums; though, I suppose you could separate them out. Defensive medicine might be included in the largest cost component but is not the largest itself.)
Erick Erickson does his best John Lennon impersonation:
Imagine a United States Senate with Michael Williams, Pat Toomey, and Marco Rubio. Imagine a Supreme Court hearing from Ken Cuccinelli and Ted Cruz on states’ rights. And imagine having two ladies like Karen Handel and Nikki Haley slashing goverment bugets and taxes from their respective Governors’ Mansions.
We can make all that a reality.
I made up some really good law on a few questions. I really should be the philosopher king. my laws were very equitable.
There is a gathering against Health Care Reform in DC on 9/12.
Teaching people how to read is just the fascist's way of distracting people so they don't hear the truth on the radio.
Erick Erickson does his best John Lennon impersonation:
You kill me.
Erick Erickson does his best John Lennon impersonation:
Imagine a United States Senate with Michael Williams, Pat Toomey, and Marco Rubio. Imagine a Supreme Court hearing from Ken Cuccinelli and Ted Cruz on states’ rights. And imagine having two ladies like Karen Handel and Nikki Haley slashing goverment bugets and taxes from their respective Governors’ Mansions.
We can make all that a reality.
Stunt Woman
And Soylent Green in every pot!
Is something preventing the Supreme Court from hearing from Ken Cuccinelli and Ted Cruz on states’ rights?
There is a gathering against Health Care Reform in DC on 9/12.
And a counter gathering, hopefully;
http://hcrnow.blogspot.com/
Which will drive the Birthers straight up the wall. All the way. To the Moon, Alice!
Meanie-meanie, tickle a person
There is a gathering against Health Care Reform in DC on 9/12.
I have to wonder how many people will actually be there. Will they all be in suits? All white? All employed?
i'd vote for you to be King, euph. but only if i get to be Queen Amidala, and get that wardrobe. and the space vehicle. i want one of those.
'd vote for you to be King, euph. but only if i get to be Queen Amidala, and get that wardrobe. and the space vehicle. i want one of those.
And the hairdressers.
There is a gathering against Health Care Reform in DC on 9/12.
I'm sure it's a front for another birther/teabagger hate-in.
how tragic. and they were such pretty hands...
and the space vehicle. i want one of those.
Parts for the hyperdrive are so hard to come by and no one selling them takes Republic credits.
Padme did have style.
Ever notice that when Republicans gather to protest something, it's almost invariably about denying something to somebody else?
I have to wonder how many people will actually be there.
at least a tenth of them will be paid to be there with money from billionaire winger slush funds. possibly more.
John Lennon's chief concerns usually involved cutting taxes.
I'm sure it's a front for another birther/teabagger hate-in.
912.org or something like that.
Padme did have style.
The pot smoking hottie from Top Chef? Did they fire her?
912.org or something like that
Ah, thy name is Glenn Beck.
There is a gathering against Health Care Reform in DC on 9/12.
I have to wonder how many people will actually be there. Will they all be in suits? All white? All employed?
Vicki, Who
To save costs, they'll just cross out "teabagging" with "health care" on their old signs. And cheer for whatever Sarah Palin gargles out of her moose pie hole. Also.
mmmmmmmm. . . moose pie . . *drool*
my bad. 912dc.org
Didn't Malkin mumble something about grassroots teabaggers killing health care reform yesterday?
It's twue! It's twue!
And the hairdressers.
Tlazolteotl,
go ahead and mock me, but i loved her hair. loved it. i loved it in the second movie, when it looked like she had "black" hair. really, that was so cool and every nappy headed grrl in the world got to be a princess for a minute, just like white girls always do. i thank lucas for that. black women have so much emotion and drama that goes with our hair, and her hairstyles in those movies really spoke to some of us. yes, i'm Lame.
I don't know if the rumors about Sarah Palin's impending divorce are true, but you can bet that if somebody criticizes her about it for one minute, it will be far, far worse than anything Hillary Clinton ever had to deal with.
Why are we even still talking about birthers? These people are lunatics. Hell, let' have the flat earth society and the symbionese liberation army, too!
ChiDy, my hair isn't "black", but it is naturally curly in the extreme, so I can sympathize. And yes I loved the hair too. Also.
black hair? huh. like this?
http://www.ebbisham.co.uk/ve-aot...s/padme-
ep2.jpg
Lots of corporate sponsorship for their little "grassroots" hate-in. Not a lot of registrations though.
Padme's double is now a star or something, can't remember who.
We had a metes-and-bounds question. Had to draw something to figure it out.
Jay C.
Now I know you're making that up... no lawyer can do that.
Except Walter Robillard...
I thought Stephanaoulis did well dismissing Malkin. Not well enough, but well.
I am shocked SHOCKED that David Ortiz used steroids.
no one could have predicted that.
I mean relative to having her on This Week and allowing her radical views to be aired.
Hell, if the likes of G. Gordon thinks theres something to it, it must be true.
euph, the scene in the second of the triology, when she and a party of notables meet with the chancellor. she is wearing her hair up, in a cone-ish shape with a couple of gold loops holding it together. i don't know if it was a wig or not, but in that scene, you could perceive how tiny and tight her curls were. like a lot of people of color have. i'm sure i'm not the only person to have noticed that.
black women have so much emotion and drama that goes with our hair, and her hairstyles in those movies really spoke to some of us. yes, i'm Lame.
Hair is a royal frickin' pain in the ass, if you ask me.
When mine is long, I spend all my time on it because it's wispy. Even when it's short, I spend too much time on it.
I'm growing it out again. But it's hard freakin' work, long or short.
Euph, it's the other shoe dropping. Been half-waiting for that since 2004.
Not that there aren't hilarious conspiracy comments in the local papers!
From Digby's piece:
Everyone in the place was complaining about the insurance companies and how broken the system was. But they were also convinced that the Democrats are trying to pass socialized medicine. When I asked what they thought that meant, they said, "government takeover of health care." And they were seriously worried about how that was going to affect them.
That's pretty much been my experience too. Knee-jerk assumptions about the guvmint running hospitals and turning them into bureaucratic nightmares.
ChiDy, my hair isn't "black", but it is naturally curly in the extreme, so I can sympathize. And yes I loved the hair too. Also.
Tlazolteotl, cooler
May I just add that I find women with naturally curly hair to be teh extremely hawt?
I just feel I need to make an unequivocal statement on that.
By Amanda Palleschi and Monica Von Dobeneck, The Patriot-News
Pennsylvania National Guard members eligible for a monthly
stipend for their service are being denied the payments because
of the state's budget impasse.
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Voluntary unemployment sheets!
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i think that is it
Oh, you mean noted psycho unqualified to blather about anything Michelle Malkin? Snuffelupagus just wanted to sex her up.
"government takeover of health care."
i think we make a mistake, here on the left, to dismiss this fear. it's real and based on real issues with the way in which current govt programs deliver care to those who qualify. let's not even mention the fact that lots of providers go out of their way *not* to treat people with govt health care. fear of paperwork, delay, not being seen by a doctor of your choice, poor service...none of that is unreasonable, imho. there's also the very real worry that whatever program we get, it could be reduced or taken away by future generations of politicians. i have to say, it's been a real learning experience for me, dealing with this medicare stuff for grandma. so far, almost none of my experience has been "good."
Knee-jerk assumptions about the guvmint running hospitals and turning them into bureaucratic nightmares.
Nim, ham hock of liberty
Has it been that long since there was such a thing as "state run hospitals"?
We don't have to let it suck. We can, if we put pressure on our Congressmembers NOW, make clear that single payer (Medicare for Everybody) is the only acceptable solution. Indeed, we MUST.
And it won't be something legislators will give up their fabulous health benefits to sign up for. Do any of them actually get it?
Snow, the 9/12 demonstrations are part of Glen Beck's Million Tea Bag march.
I have a fantasy that there will be enough other folks to make a circle arund them so they can say "who surrounds who NOW?".
The Freepers are also having their convention in DC at that time.
whatever reform there is will produce a program that is not perfect. Medicare and Medicaid are not perfect. So fucking what? It's better than the horseshit system we have now. Patronizing mealymouthing about ``incremental change'' just builds a rationale for indifference.
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