I'MMA LET YOU FINISH
1?
woo hoo
edwards
3?
I'll do sheets
why are our leaders afraid of a man with a 24% approval rating?
when he talks, his approval numbers actually go down?
what happened to terrorist alerts?
Send a tap,tap,tap message to your Senators.
Yet nobody's fined these asses on TV:
http://www.thecarpetbaggerreport...ives/
14371.html
Bush demands always sound like a petulant child stamping his feet?
why are the Dems in Congress enablers for this greedy cretin?
why are our leaders afraid of a man with a 24% approval rating?
Good afternoon, friends:
One Possible Explanation for Surveys Showing That Rudy Giuliani May Not Win His Own State
by Calvin Trillin
Familiarity with him means dreading
The day that Rudy's hand's upon the rudder,
For he's vindictive, credit-hogging, petty--
The Bully Dork. To know him is to shudder.
why are our leaders afraid of a man with a 24% approval rating?
he has no clothes
THAT high?
Is this the first weekend in six months without a football contest?
Bush demands always sound like a petulant child stamping his feet?
why are the Dems in Congress enablers for this greedy cretin?
peterboy
More than one conspiracy theorist has conjectured that Bush's illegal wiretaps have paid off handsomely...
Okay here's a pitch for a sit-com. Cranky, aging hippie music critic discovers the feisty, lesbian, third-wave feminist daughter he never knew existed.
Halfdan
Apart from the hippie part -- I really wasn't much of one -- I like the sound of this. We can call it "The Irksome Guy."
Afternoon Thread
enjoy
This thread sucks, man.
janathan hoenig cant be a serious market analyst. history shows the market does better under dems than goopers.
49 Visitors Online
What are you looking at?
I'll do sheets
tomdurk | 01.26.08 - 2:03 pm | #
That shows a nice spirit on your part...
Both of my games are becalmed. Anyone up for a game?
"why are our leaders afraid of a man with a 24% approval rating?
he has no clothes"
I think it's more the "liberal media." The "liberal media" that turned Gore from boy scout to big fat liar, Kerry from vet to coward, Cleland from vet to osama luver, ect, ect.
Nora goes from black leather to black satin for election day garb?
For what demographic is she bait?
-
Well now...
The Dem candidates ought to be going at George Walker Bush's eight year clusterfuck like sharks in a kiddie pool.
THAT high?
Terry C - Edwards 2008
Depends on what statistical sampling corrections the various pollsters apply. The number of self identified Republicans has probably gone down so the responses probably get juiced to the supposed norm of 40%
If the conspiracy theorists are right and George has the dirt on the democratic leaders or followers. Time to get rid of them and get new ones in, no questions asked. If they are that dirty, they don't need to be there in the first place. They certainly aren't doing any good anyway.
Even if the conspiracy theorists aren't right, its still a good plan
"liberal media" that turned Gore from boy scout to big fat liar, Kerry from vet to coward, Cleland from vet to osama luver, ect, ect.
hadenough
Not the media originating, but acting as megaphone for the GOP. Something the Democrats still fear, despite the fact almost no one in America is listening to the GOP or their megaphone.
Otherwise, Bush would not be at 24%, and the majority of Americans would not want us out of Iraq now.
good afternoon moonbats I hope you are faring well.
Poll in The Nation:
Poll | posted January 22, 2008 (web only)
Is Rudy Giuliani finally finished?
Yes. He's too deeply strange to ever have been a presidential contender.
(821) 65%
It depends. The elderly voters of Florida might buy his 9/11 scare tactics
(190) 15%
No. Given the deeply flawed GOP field, don't underestimate Rudy's ability to fight another day
(239) 19%
I'm tired of trying to care for my long hair and so, for the third time now, I am going to donate to the "Locks of Love" program. If i start wearing a suit and tie and begin mumbling about "smaller government" just shoot me, k?
Whiny Assed Titty Babies on Parade:
http://www.thenation.com/doc/200...080204/
blustain
"WAAAAAAAAAAAAAA - the only way I can prove I am truly a man is to make babies and control women!"
Time to get rid of them and get new ones in, no questions asked. If they are that dirty, they don't need to be there in the first place. They certainly aren't doing any good anyway.
Even if the conspiracy theorists aren't right, its still a good plan
foolme1ns |
You know, it is a good plan. We just need to start grooming people to take those tools' place. That may be difficult, but certainly not impossible.
And good afternoon, rational people.
Even if the conspiracy theorists aren't right, its still a good plan
Works for me.
Thanks Steve. I then went off to follow George's instructions to bother my senators again. Durbin's web form worked, Obama's seems down.
If the conspiracy theorists are right and George has the dirt on the democratic leaders or followers. Time to get rid of them and get new ones in, no questions asked...Even if the conspiracy theorists aren't right, its still a good plan
foolme1ns
(Applauds wildly!)
"WAAAAAAAAAAAAAA - the only way I can prove I am truly a man is to make babies and control women!"
Well, it certainly is a manly package indicator...
There's no blackmail on the Congressional leadership needed.
The constant conciliation is being done on purpose. I don't like it, but it's working as planned.
By the election the US economy will be in shambles, Iraq will have flared up again, and Democrats in the Congress will say "this is entirely the Republicans' fault, we gave them exactly what they demanded of us."
Of course, that message won't get out, because the major cable news networks will be pointing out how it all happened under "Democrat" leadership and we need a strong voice for change,like McCain.
Now, wanna hear my theory on why the Armed Forces are being deliberately broken, or shall I save that?
I'm tired of trying to care for my long hair and so, for the third time now, I am going to donate to the "Locks of Love" program. catalexis
YOU are one of the GOOD ones!
I'm tired of trying to care for my long hair and so, for the third time
now, I am going to donate to the "Locks of Love" program. If i start
wearing a suit and tie and begin mumbling about "smaller government"
just shoot me, k?
catalexis |
01.26.08 - 2:11 pm | #
I cut mine in November. I went from being able to sit on the ends to getting some looks I hadn't gotten in a long time. Then again I haven't been looking all that hard.
Sure, randomfactor, tell us your theory on the armed forces.
Is this the first weekend in six months without a football contest?
MP
When is the SuperBowl. I have to go to a party.
"WAAAAAAAAAAAAAA - the only way I can prove I am truly a man is to make babies and control women!"
Well, it certainly is a manly package indicator...
NTodd, Self-proclaimed Indy
I can't even call guys like that "men."
Superbowl- next Sunday @ 6:30 EST
I can't even call guys like that "men."
Would you call them late to dinner?
I'm tired of trying to care for my long hair and so, for the third time now, I am going to donate to the "Locks of Love" program. catalexis
YOU are one of the GOOD ones!
Terry C - Edwards 2008
Some of us can't be donors. Sob.
If the conspiracy theorists are right and George has the dirt on the democratic leaders or followers. Time to get rid of them and get new ones in, no questions asked. If they are that dirty, they don't need to be there in the first place. They certainly aren't doing any good anyway.
All the whining and hand-wringing about the Democratic candidates for president is all but beside the point. Bush has been able to pass nearly all of his legislative agenda because he has had congresses that either agree with him or disagree and give him his way anyway.
The public needs a Congress that is representative of the public's policy positions and that will push the Executive, regardless of who is in the White House. So I think the upcoming congressional elections are more important than the presidential race.
Hi Dianne
There are probably some good candidates out there now ready to challenge the status quo. They just have an uphill battle because the incumbents have name recognition.
Not sure how to start a grassroots "throw the buns out" campaign. If anyone has any ideas, I'm listening.
Superbowl- next Sunday @ 6:30 EST
Oh yeah? Who's playing?
catalexis, just make sure that they rubber band it tightly before cutting. Locks of Love won't take hair that is loose. I had mine braided and was still able to donate about 16 inches (yes, cut NTodd)
I can't even call guys like that "men."
Would you call them late to dinner?
NTodd, Self-proclaimed Indy
I wish they were late to their next birthdays.
If the conspiracy theorists are right and George has the dirt on the democratic leaders or followers.
I don't think such a conspiracy is required.
Look at the campaign donations to see who is really pulling the strings. Follow the money.
Oh yeah? Who's playing?
Shirts vs. skins on a beach.
The Armed Forces are being stretched and misused to the point where career officers with any ethics are just saying "fuck it" and walking away in disgust. Who's left? The Christian plants who will value dogma over Constitution.
It's the military version of the Regent University strategy at the Justice Department.
Superbowl- next Sunday @ 6:30 EST
Oh yeah? Who's playing?
NTodd, Self-proclaimed Indy
Hey, how 'bout that Local Sports Team, huh!
There's no blackmail on the Congressional leadership needed.
The constant conciliation is being done on purpose. I don't like it, but it's working as planned.
I'm coming to believe that the Democratic leadership in Congress isn't being played or "ritually humiliated," as Atrios said, so much as they are playing the Democratic base by saying they disagree with Bush and will stand up to him, when in fact they agree with his policy positions.
There are a few exceptions, such as Dodd, of course.
foolme1ns
What would be nice is if the Wellstone Foundation had enough money to start looking for those kind of candidates.
That group does fantastically with those who self-identify as Wellstone Progressives, but I think at this point we need some group able to search out those who could use a little help in campaigns.
Ebenezer Le Page
I agree, but all I've got to work with is trying to get the republicans out in my state. I've got no influence in any other state, and only the tiniest miniscule amount in my own.
Shirts vs. skins on a beach.
Please tell me Gabriella Reese will be involved...
Well, Noron certainly has her talkingpoint down pat--racial division is destroying the Democratic Party! (Hint, hint.)
She just had Wolfson on and would not let him finish a thought before she asked the same question, with slightly different wording, over and over. When's the party going to splinter? Can anyone possibly think a party can stay together after these vicious attacks between Barack and Hillary! OMG~politics has never seen such hard hitting and racially tinged attacks?
She wanted to know what the future of the party could be after this viciousness in SC.
Yes, she has the MCM attack theme down pat.
It's the military version of the Regent University strategy at the Justice Department.
Randomfactor
Not just the West Point captains. Career sergeants are getting out, as well. Unlike when Clinton was President.
Now, wanna hear my theory on why the Armed Forces are being deliberately broken, or shall I save that?
Probably to allow for the raising of private armies like Blackwater, right?
Who's left? The Christian plants who will value dogma over Constitution.
It's the military version of the Regent University strategy at the Justice Department.
Randomfactor
Did you see this post from Hecate's blog?
Supports your theory and then some...
http://hecatedemetersdatter.blog...ans-by-
our.html
What would be nice is if the Wellstone Foundation had enough money to start looking for those kind of candidates.
That group does fantastically with those who self-identify as Wellstone Progressives, but I think at this point we need some group able to search out those who could use a little help in campaigns.
Diane C. Barking-Mad
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very true, but I am busy trying to save up for the depression and I've already given money to John Edwards, so this mud puddle is all dried up.
Thanks Steve. I then went off to follow George's instructions to bother my senators again. Durbin's web form worked, Obama's seems down.
tomdurk
Thanks, tom. I fixed the spelling error you pointed out. I usually have mad speeellling skillz but I was too mad watching the Dems rollover yet again for the Bush junta.
Not just the West Point captains. Career sergeants are getting out, as well. Unlike when Clinton was President.
Bleeding officers is bad, but bleeding NCOs is VERY bad.
NCOs actually run the Army at the tactical level.
Hecate's post is what went "click" in my head, Gummo. That, or a cervical vertebra.
all I've got to work with is trying to get the republicans out in my state. I've got no influence in any other state, and only the tiniest miniscule amount in my own.
I think most of us are in the same situation. Local politics can be more satisfying, anyway, because a person can sometimes feel a more immediate, direct impact.
Yes, she has the MCM attack theme down pat.
jawbone | Homepage | 01.26.08 - 2:21 pm | #
Why anyone would use Wolfson as a spokesman is beyond me.
Thing is, the mixture of new military technology, and training, needs time to really come together. Cheney, as SecDef, famously telephoned St. Ronnie, to thank him for bestowing such a wonderfully efficient military to President Bush Pere.
Who telephoned Bill Clinton, to thank him for the military that instantly steamrolled Baghdad on a moment's notice?
According to the Onion, the Patriots & "some good team".
Who telephoned Bill Clinton, to thank him for the military that instantly steamrolled Baghdad on a moment's notice?
MP
Certanly not the ones giving credit for Bill's balanced budgets to Poppy Bush...
racial divide in the theme of the day at msgop
they are the same people who elected Shrub twice
Certanly not the ones giving credit for Bill's balanced budgets to Poppy Bush...
George Johnston
WHAT.
THE.
FUCK????????????
Well, Noron certainly has her talkingpoint down pat--racial division is destroying the Democratic Party! (Hint, hint.)
She just had Wolfson on and would not let him finish a thought before she asked the same question, with slightly different wording, over and over. When's the party going to splinter? Can anyone possibly think a party can stay together after these vicious attacks between Barack and Hillary! OMG~politics has never seen such hard hitting and racially tinged attacks?
She wanted to know what the future of the party could be after this viciousness in SC.
Yes, she has the MCM attack theme down pat.
jawbone
---------------------
That is called desperation!!!! The media wants desperately for the democratic party to split up, so they have been playing this to the hilt. I don't think the democrats are going to split. Not over this, not when you look at what the alternative is. Campaigns are very messy and mean. But this isn't going to split them apart. The party that is split is the republicans and neither they nor the media know how to deal with it. They are one trick ponies and they are trying to figure out what to do with the new reality. So the media keeps playing this "you aren't going to let him get away with that, are you Harold?" meme to try to force some kind of crisis that doesn't exist. This is just politics peole and the democratic party is stronger than it has been in years.
The media and the republicans are just absolutely desperate.
Susan Faludi on cspan2
very true, but I am busy trying to save up for the depression and I've already given money to John Edwards, so this mud puddle is all dried up.
foolme1ns | 01.26.08 - 2:22 pm
Oh, dear: that wasn't what I was suggesting. I don't think Wellstone.org is even thinking in those terms, at least not yet and not officially.
But at some point we all do need to start thinking in those terms, which, of course, will mean attending City Council Meetings and School Board Meetings and local party conferences.
Not the media originating, but acting as megaphone for the GOP. Something the Democrats still fear, despite the fact almost no one in America is listening to the GOP or their megaphone.--RMJ @ 2:10
Well, if you read Somerby, he says that in some cases the MCMers were the orignators of the slimes in the media. Now, perhaps they got some hints or marching orders, but we have some so-called lib pundits who are very good at taking down Dems (Frank Rich, MoDo, plus the changeable cast of NYT and WaPo reporters who seem to get snark injections when they cover Dems).
Listening to Wha'd'ya Know - asking people what they plan to do with their rebate - a popular response seems to be to pool it and offer it all to Bush if he leaves office early.
Who telephoned Bill Clinton, to thank him for the military that instantly steamrolled Baghdad on a moment's notice?
MP
Near-Senator-elect Franken did something much like that.
I have seen a few articles popping up saying balanced budgets were thanks to Poopy Bush's father Poppy Bush.
Okay here's a pitch for a sit-com. Cranky, aging hippie music critic
discovers the feisty, lesbian, third-wave feminist daughter he never
knew existed.
Halfdan
Apart from the hippie part -- I really wasn't much of one -- I like the sound of this. We can call it "The Irksome Guy."
I'm pretty darned certain that Tony Randall already did this....
Rich and Modo are thoroughly documented haters of Al and spilled much ink trashing him in 2000.
i detest cats, but look what was wandering around the neighborhoods of seattle yesterday
http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/ph...?
PhotoID=167207
's odd how little has changed... was reading about Harry Truman's 1948 campaign, and how the reporters had to do their own laundry, and find their own way around, and had very few 'treats'... while the Dewey campaign basically picked the reporters up and carried them around... and it showed in the press coverage then too.
the goopers are trying to rewrite history and run away from Shrub and all their failed policies
and of course they are the originators the Big Lie technique
there is not one thing the Shrubians have done that is worth a warm bucket of spit
i detest cats
Boy, did YOU come to the wrong place.
Who telephoned Bill Clinton, to thank him for the military that instantly steamrolled Baghdad on a moment's notice?
I'm pretty sure I read somewhere that everything people like is the result of the GOP and tax cuts, and everything people dislike is the fault of Democrats, especially Bill and Hillary.
while the Dewey campaign basically picked the reporters up and carried them around... and it showed in the press coverage then too.
nick carraway
Did they ever print a correction for the "Dewey Wins" headline?
so, I skied for the last time this year in Switzerland and now for some farewell fondue...
I never thought I would miss Switzerland. Funny.
Oh, dear: that wasn't what I was suggesting. I don't think Wellstone.org is even thinking in those terms, at least not yet and not officially.
But at some point we all do need to start thinking in those terms, which, of course, will mean attending City Council Meetings and School Board Meetings and local party conferences.
Diane C. Barking-Mad
--------------------
I couldn't agree with you more, and I am ashamed to admit I am woefully uneducated in my local politics and politicians. I need to get more involved as do a lot of others. But I still believe there are candidates out there today, democratic candidates challenging democratic encumbents who should get as much of a helping hand as we can give them.
I don't know much about Cindy Sheehan, no more than everyone else, but I know that she is challenging Nancy Pelosi, because she is mad as hell and trying her best to do something about it. That may not be the best example, just the first that came to mind.
But your idea is great for the long term.
I have seen a few articles popping up saying balanced budgets were thanks to Poopy Bush's father Poppy Bush.
George Johnston
I love the ones who blame Chimpy's current mess on Bill Clinton.
Fucking liars.
Okay here's a pitch for a sit-com. Cranky, aging hippie music critic
discovers the feisty, lesbian, third-wave feminist daughter he never
knew existed.
Halfdan
ChiDyke and Simels are related?
Now Noron is attacking the Clinton campaign as dysfunctional, but there has been a layer of change. But campaing workers are so unhappy.
And she has 5 close advisers!
Silent shakeup and Bill Clinton's role? Any time there's trouble he kind of rears up (that old stallion!).
Crap - I was hoping our faux troll would disappear in a faux avalanche.
I'm pretty darned certain that Tony Randall already did this....
GWPDA, yclept Irate Scholar | Homepage | 01.26.08 - 2:30 pm | #
He played both parts.
George Johnston: suppose it was one of the very few corrections that got printed on Page 1... but I'd bet they used smaller type on the headline.
and of course they are the originators the Big Lie technique
Bush may have learned about it from his grandpappy, but they didn't originate it. Employ it quite effectively though.
I have seen a few articles popping up saying balanced budgets were thanks to Poopy Bush's father Poppy Bush.
George Johnston
-------------------
Oh those fun loving republicans and their penchant for lies and rewriting history. But hey, if they can rewrite the history of Jesus to make him a stingy, mean spirited, chicken hawk, then rewriting the history of Bush the 1st and Clintons presidential history is a snap.
Let's pool our rebates and get Atrios a new comment format.
JeffCo, that's bad karma dude. Now you're going to die in an avalanche. Better buy a St-Bernard.
I love the ones who blame Chimpy's current mess on Bill Clinton.
Fucking liars.
Terry C - Edwards 2008 | Homepage | 01.26.08 - 2:34 pm | #
If Bill hadn't left the country in such great shape, chimp wouldn't have had as much to fuck up.
I never thought I'd miss mimi. I was right.
oh well, I guess that means no updates from Moscau for you guays.
Could genuine liberals organize to the degree necessary to groom candidates and school them in electioneering techniques? The GOP had no trouble setting up that kind of top-down policy and candidate mill and that is why in many respects every GOP candidate from that era sounds like every other GOP candidate from that era. And so, aside from the question of could we, there is the deeper question, already answered, I think, should we?
there are currently two - yes TWO - keanue reeves movies on my teevee
I never thought I'd miss mimi. I was right.
NTodd
I love you too.
Get everything squared away?
Heard a story on the fake rebate on NicePoliteRepublicans this morning - provided no less than three attacks on, I mean references to, Dems being sure to add additional spending to the bill b/c that's what Dems do. Thanks Mara Liarsson!
wtf, injured & sent backto Iraq.
http://www.wptv.com/news/local/s...e5-
b24cb7a98172
while the Dewey campaign basically picked the reporters up and carried them around...
McCain boozes up his groupies apparently.
i detest cats
Boy, did YOU come to the wrong place.
can't we all just get along?
http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/
lo...6_serval26.html
Three servals found in Seattle?
The elegant cats with long legs and graceful necks look like miniature cheetahs or leopards. They come from Africa and, like other exotic animals, are illegal to own in Seattle.
"You can't put a serval with another animal. You can't put them with a dog, a cat or monkey. Everything we have on this property is prey to a serval," said Miner.
"They can jump 15 feet straight up in the air. It means quite an enclosure is needed," she said. "They are incredible. They are very powerful animals.
SNIP
The first cat picked up three weeks ago was a young female. Baxter estimated that she was about 15 pounds underweight.
She was found under the porch of a house and walked right into the animal carrier when officers put it near the porch.
The second cat, a male, found last weekend on the schoolyard, was less cooperative. Animal control officers tried first to lure the cat into a carrier with some raw chicken, but he didn't take the bait. They ended up snagging him with a tool that resembles a lasso.
Here, kitty, kitty.
The male weighs an estimated 35 pounds. The cats can weigh up to 40 pounds.
there are currently two - yes TWO - keanue reeves movies on my teevee
dirk gently, sociopathetic
Whoa!
there are currently two - yes TWO - keanue reeves movies on my teevee
Whoa!
McCain boozes up his groupies apparently.
Richard | Homepage | 01.26.08 - 2:39 pm | #
Nonstop crack n' hos.
Dammit - too slow on the Whoa!
so, I skied for the last time this year in Switzerland and now for some farewell fondue...
I never thought I would miss Switzerland. Funny.
mimi | Homepage | 01.26.08 - 2:33 pm | #
What -- the skiing in Austin isn't good enough for you?
Whoa!
Coke--->Randomfactor
Missed it by that much!
wtf, injured & sent backto Iraq.
They've been doing that since they started.
Keanu Reeves: Luckiest man in the movie business.
:WAVE:
Are Keanu Reeves movies better after taking the red pill or the blue pill?
Good afternoon.
I saw Michelle Bachmann (R-Cesspool) at the orchid show a little bit ago.
And so, aside from the question of could we, there is the deeper question, already answered, I think, should we?
catalexis | 01.26.08 - 2:38 pm
I don't think we need to use the GOP template. Surely there are other ways to train candidates in fund raising, in dealing with the media, in how to respond to real questions.
:WAVE: Culture of TrÜth
No Point Break quoting!
the press gets all this GOP 'efficency' up close and thinks, "if the GOP does what it takes to handle *us*, then they will do it takes to run the country"... all very adolescent and self-important, but I guess there's no shortage of *those* qualities...
Good Lord! Noron's now going on again about the fight being sooooooo aggressive.
She has not historical memory, stupid MCMer. But of course, it's all deliberate and according to plan: Attack any and all Dems. Soften the electorate up for the ReThug attacks.
Dem spokesman Michael Feldman is tryint to talk to her as if she's a rational, objective reporter. Hah. I'd be at her throat (well, not really, but...).
Super Tuesday Polling Snapshot: Democrats
Hillary is way ahead in the polls of Super Tuesday states.
check it out.
Keanu Reeves: Luckiest man in the movie business.
Cookie Fleck '08
i would have said nicholas cage, but ok.
No shit. Chimpy really has degraded our military strength significantly.
DFA does that -- they run candidate training courses all around. Of course you need a cadre of DFHs to actually do the hands-on training & stuff -- maybe that's a good place to direct energy. They were organizing candidate forums & all sorts of stuff around here last cycle.
Corrent has a new acronym: WORM--What Obama Really Meant.
I suppose we would have to face the risk of developing a certain schooled response effect and perhaps it could be turned to an advantage with respect to the media in that we could offer them a deal: Stop asking the same meaningless questions and we'll stop giving you the same meaningless answers.
Could genuine liberals organize to the degree necessary to groom candidates and school them in electioneering techniques? The GOP had no trouble setting up that kind of top-down policy and candidate mill and that is why in many respects every GOP candidate from that era sounds like every other GOP candidate from that era. And so, aside from the question of could we, there is the deeper question, already answered, I think, should we?
catalexis
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I'm not sure that the democrats could, because by their very nature, liberals don't like moving in lock step and they have this crazy idea that other peoples ideas should be respected.
It's like this. Republicans are like hound dogs, fairly intelligent, not very imaginative and extremely obedient. Democrats are more like siamese cats, very smart, curious and clever, and not given to group think very often.
In fairness to Keanu Reeves, lousy actor as he may be, his "whoa" moment in The Matrix is more credible in the context of the actual film than it is in the trailer.
Correntewire.com that is
Keanu Reeves: Luckiest man in the movie business.
Cookie Fleck '08
i would have said nicholas cage, but ok.
dirk gently, sociopathetic
I would have said Jack Black. Who in hell greenlighted Nacho Libre?
In fairness to Keanu Reeves, lousy actor as he may be, his "whoa" moment in The Matrix is more credible in the context of the actual film than it is in the trailer.
steve, what were you doing in Keanu's trailer?
Remember Christian Brando?
Dead: http://www.pagesix.com/story/
exc...brando+has+died
I can never remember... is Keanu "Bill" or "Ted"?
In fairness to Keanu Reeves, lousy actor as he may be, his "whoa" moment in The Matrix is more credible in the context of the actual film than it is in the trailer.
Thers says his whole career is a tale of "whoa."
DFA does that -- they run candidate training courses all around. Of course you need a cadre of DFHs to actually do the hands-on training & stuff -- maybe that's a good place to direct energy. They were organizing candidate forums & all sorts of stuff around here last cycle.
strawhat | 01.26.08 - 2:46 pm
Hey! I could do that. Gotta link?
(Yes, I really am lazy this afternoon.)
In fairness to Keanu Reeves, lousy actor as he may be, his "whoa" moment in The Matrix is more credible in the context of the actual film than it is in the trailer.
But hasn't he had a "whoa" moment in, like, three movies?
I'm sure it's genesis was in "Bill & Ted's...", or something.
Dem spokesman Michael Feldman is tryint to talk to her as if she's a rational, objective reporter. Hah. I'd be at her throat (well, not really, but...).
jawbone
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well that is his first mistake. he should talk to her as though she is a three year old.
I would have said Jack Black. Who in hell greenlighted Nacho Libre?
George Johnston
School of Rock was awesome, though.
Keanu Reeves didn't even make the cut of our shitty actors thread last night.
Though I think the lad is quite likely a good guy.
i'm sure the clinton campaign had nothing to do with this headline and story out today.
Obama hopes to avoid 'the black candidate' label
New poll shows fall in white support
http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/
na...90_obama26.html
I remember listening to an interview with Mike Nelson and he was talking about Jack Black.
He remarked about why he wouldn't spend money to see a fat guy running around in tighty-whities. Made remarkable sense.
Oh, I like Jack Black. My kids are obsessed with School of Rock.
Thers says his whole career is a tale of "whoa." Molly Ivors
No doubt reason #537 how he gained controlling interest in your heart.
I'm sure it's genesis was in "Bill & Ted's...", or something.
River's Edge - "There's a dead guy floating at the river's edge." "Whoa!"
Oh, I like Jack Black. My kids are obsessed with School of Rock.
Molly Ivors, Edwardian
Had my neice and nephew over for the holidays.
Young people are obsessed with that dude.
It has to occurred to whoever took over the Rove/Atwater slot that creating a 'race' problem for the Dems could pay off in the fall...
He was Ted, BTW.
River's Edge - "There's a dead guy floating at the river's edge." "Whoa!"
Heh.
Thers says his whole career is a tale of "whoa."
Molly Ivors, Edwardian | Homepage | 01.26.08 - 2:48 pm | #
Hah!!!!
No doubt reason #537 how he gained controlling interest in your heart.
JeffCO
I think it would have been despite, not because of, the puns.
Anybody else want to go to The Learneds in Vancouver in June? Whole bunch of humanities and social scientists hanging around, talking.
I must say again, I can not see how the Clintons could possibly have the effect that is being ascribed to them. They mention or, as it is often put, "remind" people that Obama is an African-American, and somehow people suddenly notice that they had been thinking of voting for a black guy and change their minds?
Young people are obsessed with that dude.
He has broad features and a nonthreatening persona.
He should learn from Cruise and just keep playing the same archetypal character he's good at embodying.
catalexis,
Yes, but you are forgetting the awesome power of the Clenis.
Hope is what the Dems used to sell.
They ought to try it, again.
He should learn from Cruise and just keep playing the same archetypal character he's good at embodying.
Like Jack Nicholson, I believe that is the plan.
His LOTR parody was pretty funny.
i'm sure the clinton campaign had nothing to do with this headline and story out today.
Obama hopes to avoid 'the black candidate' label
New poll shows fall in white support
http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/ na...90_obama26.html
notaboomer
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Maybe, maybe not. They want Hillary to win very badly and will do ANYTHING (just like Poppy Bush) to get the job done. At the same time the MSM want Hillary to win very badly and equally THEY will do anything to make that happen. Ever hear of yellow journalism or Randolph Hearst. At the beginning of the Spanish American war he sent a photographer out to get pictures of the war. The photographer wired him back and said not a lot going on, more like skirmishes. Randolph Hearst told him, you just get me the pictures, I'll get the war" (paraphrasing in the extreme).
So it could have been either the Clintons or the MSM or a combination of both. They are both working towards the same end right now. But that relationship won't last.
I like Jack Black.
Saw Tenacious D at MSG a year and a half ago. Lotsa fun.
I think it would have been despite, not because of, the puns. Molly Ivors
Pfft - you all say that, but you know you like the guys with the clever palaver.
Yes, but you are forgetting the awesome power of the Clenis.
You mean the Co-Clintoris.
His LOTR parody was pretty funny.
Molly Ivors, Edwardian
"Frodo! Eyes up here!"
Yes, but you are forgetting the awesome power of the Clenis.
Perhaps but we also know that: "The pecker knows no bigotry."
Like Jack Nicholson, I believe that is the plan.
Clint Eastwood too. And Drew Barrymore.
Actually I do think that's what separates the great actors from the movie stars, not that they can't be both.
This "we're all gonna die" shit has passed it's shelf life, I'm thinking.
OK, I'm off to listen the rest of the Met's "Barber of Seville" which has been nagging me in the background.
Whilst I'm gone, you would be well-advised to consider reading Ruth's post on the "bipartisan" nature of the stimulus package. It will be on the test.
evening moonbats
There's a piece on HuffPo today about HRC and Obama giving basically the same speech. I don't doubt it for a second. But they could each spend 2 hours discussing policy proposals, and all the press coverage will be about one throwaway line in the Q&A which could be interpreted as being about race or gender or Ronald Reagan.
somehow people suddenly notice that they had been thinking of voting for a black guy and change their minds?
There's a black guy running?
You mean the Co-Clintoris.
Well, not yet.
somehow people suddenly notice that they had been thinking of voting for a black guy and change their minds?
Obama blinded me with his mighty hypnotic mind powers! Thank God the Clintoris broke the spell!
Anyone here read unSpun? The book by Brooks Jackson and Kathleen Hall Jamieson?
somehow people suddenly notice that they had been thinking of voting for a black guy and change their minds?
No. They knew *he* was black. They just didn't realize he was bringing his black friends with him.
evening moonbats - Moonbootica
How was the birfday celebration? Just waking up now?
Anybody else want to go to The Learneds in Vancouver in June? Whole bunch of humanities and social scientists hanging around, talking.
GWPDA, yclept Irate Scholar
Are they really talking or are they observing each other and taking notes?
OK, I'm off to listen the rest of the Met's "Barber of Seville" which has been nagging me in the background.
Whilst I'm gone, you would be well-advised to consider reading Ruth's post on the "bipartisan" nature of the stimulus package. It will be on the test.
Diane C. Barking-Mad
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We had a taped version of the Marriage of Figaro that was great. Had Kathleen Battle as Susannah.
Happy belated birfday, Moon!
Torture Fashion (Fall 2008 Mens John Galliano) (Tastless or what?)
This stoopit country has the resources to do anything it wants to.
I'm *so* tired of seeing that opportunity vanish, because some dude in Peoria wants to marry another dude.
What rational person outside their immediate loved ones gives a shit about that? Seriously.
Torture Fashion (Fall 2008 Mens John Galliano) (Tastless or what?)
Moonbootica, Employed
OMG, I thought you were kidding.
How was the birfday celebration? Just waking up now?
JeffCO | 01.26.08 - 3:01 pm | #
was uneventful, my grandparents and aunt came round for a visit today and then I spent most of the afternoon playing on Halo 3
I would absolutely love to hear from someone who underwent this conversion as a result of something they heard Bill or Hillary or any of their camp say. I dare anyone in the media to find such a person in the real world.
Torture Fashion (Fall 2008 Mens John Galliano) (Tastless or what?)
Moonbootica, Employed | Homepage | 01.26.08 - 3:02 pm | #
Yes. Tasteless.
Saw a pottery store in Amsterdam called "Pol Pots".
I'm *so* tired of seeing that opportunity vanish, because some dude in Peoria wants to marry another dude.
Don't you realize that it's catching?
those models should take their torture outfits for a spin round the streets of Baghdad
Saw a pottery store in Amsterdam called "Pol Pots".
Ouch.
Well, time to go get shorn. Back after a bit.
If the conspiracy theorists are right and George has the dirt on the
democratic leaders or followers. Time to get rid of them and get new
ones in, no questions asked. If they are that dirty, they don't need to
be there in the first place. They certainly aren't doing any good
anyway.
Even if the conspiracy theorists aren't right, its still a good plan
Term limts...
"Stoner's Pot Palace"
Out with some coworkers the other day I mentioned that though I'm not crazy about her centrism, I would be very happy to vote for Hillary. There were audible gasps. Which oddly reinforced my desire to vote for her, just as does every bullshit story about racebaiting Obama or blowing Reagan.
Doesn't the GOP realize the economic stimulus that would be achieved by all those gay wedding showers?
Okay, off to Gomorrah on the Hudson.
Elitist chardonnay, blah blah blah.
Talk to you all later....
was uneventful, my grandparents and aunt came round for a visit today and then I spent most of the afternoon playing on Halo 3
Moonbootica, Employed
Why can't my Halo 3 guy play Scrabulous when he isn't busy blowing stuff up?
I'm *so* tired of seeing that opportunity vanish, because some dude in Peoria wants to marry another dude.
Don't you realize that it's catching?
Molly Ivors, Edwardian
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Very contagious. Now I want to marry some guy in peoria and I'm not even gay. I'm not even another dude. 
Torture Fashion (Fall 2008 Mens John Galliano) (Tastless or what?)
Erm.
What rational person outside their immediate loved ones gives a shit about that? Seriously.
MP | 01.26.08 - 3:02 pm | #
I knew these people who were smart, highly educated, really humane and good people. And they hated what Bush was doing in Iraq and to the US, and they voted for him anyway "to stop baby killing".
It's hard to understand.
Afternoon, Evening, or late morning to all.
Let's see: I will list five things that don't piss me off for a change.
My sister bought me this GE coffee maker that grinds the beans immediately before brewing the coffee. It really DOES make a difference. I like it very much.
The snow that fell this week is spectacularly beautiful. Not sullied at all by the world, just white softness covering a hard world. It looks as if someone went nuts with cotton balls.
I really am enjoying my Townes VanZandt. Interesting guy and interesting music: he had an interesting way of perceiving the world. (might be a book there someday - if I can ever write again)
Just had a wonderful lunch at a local restaurant. It was delicious and fairly reasonable for what it was.
I am enjoying my morning treadmill work. It seems to be getting easier and I am increasing both speed and duration. Hopefully this will strengthen my heart. I really do not want to die right away. . . .
But the Republicans suck and so do the Dems.
There's a pretty standard campaign tactic (not implying anything about Clinton here) that when a black man is gaining on you start provoking the NAACP. White people hate the NAACP because it harshes their mellow, and all of a sudden that nice clean articulate black man now has huge negatives. Think Harold Ford Jr. here.
Fuck me, it gets worse
Beyond Thunderdome?
And they hated what Bush was doing in Iraq and to the US, and they voted for him anyway "to stop baby killing".
Because of course no babies were killed in Iraq.
[insert eyerolly here]
My sister bought me this GE coffee maker that grinds the beans immediately before brewing the coffee. It really DOES make a difference. I like it very much.
I have one of those (not GE) but it's a PITA to clean.
Fuck me, it gets worse.
Love to be there when someone wears one of these to go to the airport.
I don't think I could marry a dude if it meant living in Peoria.
PITA?
People for the Insensitive Treatment of Animals?
In New Jersey it's "Drive Like A Dick" Day. Turn signals are on the car for a reason, people!
I have one of those (not GE) but it's a PITA to clean.
I don't know that one - hummus a few bars.
In New Jersey it's "Drive Like A Dick" Day. Turn signals are on the car for a reason, people!
Monica_A:Tased & Confused
Yes, they add a certain festiveness to the holiday season.
Doesn't the GOP realize the economic stimulus that would be achieved by all those gay wedding showers?
Randomfactor
If the surge has made Iraq safer then shouldn't Republican couples have their wedding parties there?
I have one. It was crystal clear
Pain
in
the
ass
perhaps the model here should go show it off around Abu Gahrib
Pain In The Ass.
????????????
Moonbootica, Employed | Homepage | 01.26.08 - 3:09 pm | #
Aren't you too young for that stuff. I'm old and I'm too young to look at that. You have to be 150 years old and living on a diet of lizard blood and human thymus to appreciate that stuff.
Sheesh. It's called a joke, people.
Maybe not a very good joke, but...
In New Jersey it's "Drive Like A Dick" Day.
In Russia, dick drives you!
Yes, they add a certain festiveness to the holiday season.
I was cut off twice (by the same car) in a two minute time span.
You have to be 150 years old and living on a diet of lizard blood and human thymus to appreciate that stuff.
rootless-e
In other words: Dick Cheney.
perhaps the model here should go show it off around Abu Gahrib
Protest Art???
Maybe not a very good joke, but...
No need to felafel about it.
In Russia, dick drives you!
It's good to see Yakov Smirnoff still getting work. Off for some more punishment. Be good to each other.
No need to felafel about it.
JeffCO
I'm not going tabouleh anyone over it.
Which oddly reinforced my desire to vote for her, just as does every bullshit story about racebaiting Obama or blowing Reagan.
You and me both, buddy.
Because of course no babies were killed in Iraq.
[insert eyerolly here]
Gummo | Homepage | 01.26.08 - 3:07 pm | #
Bounced right off of them. And then there are the people who vote for gun rights and fear of gays or blacks and so on. The right has found and exploited receptors that bypass thought and lock onto an emotional response.
"????????????"
--Moonbootica,
OMG. I can't stop laughing.
Which oddly reinforced my desire to vote for her, just as does every bullshit story about racebaiting Obama or blowing Reagan.
You and me both, buddy.
dave™©
Yup.
I bet Dick Cheney will ring up John Galliano and ask for a few of those outfits to be shipped over
because tortu
I bet Dick Cheney will ring up John Galliano and ask for a few of those outfits to be shipped over
because torture has become fashionable
Beliefnet has a survey about what fundies think of as the most important issues. Abortion and fighting gay marriage are not at the top of the list but they are there.
BTW, just a reminder: if you're over at Orange Satan, they are confused and then greatly offended by the term "Clintoris."
Make a note of it!
Are Keanu Reeves movies better after taking the red pill or the blue pill?
George Johnston | Homepage | 01.26.08 - 2:43 pm | #
No.
The right has found and exploited receptors that bypass thought and lock onto an emotional response.
That may have less power as more and more people can't afford to pay their bills and George Bush is accepting diamond and emerald necklaces from Saudi princes.
Sheesh. It's called a joke, people.
Maybe not a very good joke, but...
Gummo
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Well they can't all be winners. You've got to expect that from time to time Groucho
Beliefnet has a survey about what fundies think of as the most important issues. Abortion and fighting gay marriage are not at the top of the list but they are there.
Didn't ol' Rupert just buy that site?
JeffCo, I hear you. Thanks to the MSM, Clinton went from my third choice to my first. If Matthews and co, (not to mention the commentators at Huff Post) keep it up, I'll crawl naked over fire ants to vote for Hillary.
Just finished watching "Born On The Fourth of July." Makes me weep to think that a new generation of kids are going through what Ron Kovac did. Jesus.
Bounced right off of them. And then there are the people who vote for gun rights and fear of gays or blacks and so on. The right has found and exploited receptors that bypass thought and lock onto an emotional response.
rootless-e
Emotional response is key. Democrats need to lay off the 18 point plans and talk about insurance companies that kill teenage girls who needed surgery.
Benazir Bhutto, the Fairytale Princess
Abortion and fighting gay marriage are not at the top of the list but they are there.
Gay sex is unlikely to result in abortion. Has anyone explained this to them?
necklaces?
oh, that cries out for a photo of Dear Leader tricked out in all his gaudi saudi knickknacks, and holding hands with his Saudi boss... (with circles under his eyes from staying up late, and sand on his knees from begging for increased oil output)
http://www.rutlandherald.com/app...359/1003/
NEWS02
JeffCo, I hear you. Thanks to the MSM, Clinton went from my third choice to my first. If Matthews and co, (not to mention the commentators at Huff Post) keep it up, I'll crawl naked over fire ants to vote for Hillary.
What would you do for a Klondike bar?
I have one of those (not GE) but it's a PITA to clean.
WAYTA?
ICUY.
Gay sex is unlikely to result in abortion. Has anyone explained this to them?
I'm sure they can figure a way to have them linked. Of course they are linked as things which threaten the patriarchal family with male domination. Sorry to say such a feminazi thing, but it's true.
What have you got in mind?
The number of schools introducing rifle ranges for pupils has surged since ministers backed shooting sports last year, say gun groups.
One local authority is reportedly seeking to introduce shooting at 16 of its schools, and an academy due to open in September in a deprived area of south Bristol is believed to be the first of the government's flagship schools to have an on-site shooting range.
The National Small-bore Rifle Association (NSRA) told the Guardian there had been a 6% rise in membership from schools since Richard Caborn, then sports minister, backed the sport last May.
Sponsors of the Merchants' Academy, in Bristol, said the sport "encourages discipline", but campaigners and teachers condemned the move, saying it sent the wrong message to children in inner-city areas affected by violent crime.
With official figures this week revealing a 4% year on year increase in gun crime, campaigners have called for a moratorium on gun sports in schools.
Geoff Doe, the NSRA's director of shooting, said discussions were under way with teachers in the Midlands about extending a pilot shooting scheme at one school to a total of 16
http://education.guardian.co.uk/
...2247255,00.html
Bounced right off of them. And then there are the people who vote for gun rights and fear of gays or blacks and so on. The right has found and exploited receptors that bypass thought and lock onto an emotional response.
rootless-e
Emotional response is key. Democrats need to lay off the 18 point plans and talk about insurance companies that kill teenage girls who needed surgery.
This is partly why I asked if anyone has read unSpun. It's all about lying and the way political messages are absorbed in irrational ways.
That may have less power as more and more people can't afford to pay their bills and George Bush is accepting diamond and emerald necklaces from Saudi princes.
Molly Ivors, Edwardian | Homepage | 01.26.08 - 3:15 pm | #
One thing proven (again) in this primary season is that everyone responds to emotional cues.
As Ben Franklin put it (paraphrased): The good thing about being a rational creature is that you come up with logical explanations for whatever you want.
nick,
I don't think there are pics of him in his bling, but there are a few of him in his fur-lined, floor-length robes.
WAYTA?
ICUY.
Richard
We are talking about a coffee maker that grinds the beans at about the same instant that it makes the coffee. I mentioned that it is an improvement.
Do you understand now?
Damned acronyms!
Gay sex is unlikely to result in abortion. Has anyone explained this to them?
I'm sure they can figure a way to have them linked. Of course they are linked as things which threaten the patriarchal family with male domination. Sorry to say such a feminazi thing, but it's true.
Echidne
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It is linked to abortion as those sperm are not going to make babies. Remember, every sperm is sacred.
perhaps Bush should wear one of those John Galliano outfits when cavorting with the Saudi Princes
We are talking about a coffee maker that grinds the beans at about the same instant that it makes the coffee. I mentioned that it is an improvement.
I'm that coffee maker. I grind the beans, then make the coffee.
Jeebus, why is a sweet young thing like Moon distributing porn. And why are we all looking.
Hard to tell which one is the stuffed toy animal:
A photo dated Sunday, Jan. 13, 2008 and provided by the 'Tiergarten Nuernberg' zoo in Nuremberg on Monday, Jan. 14, 2008 shows the yet-unnamed polar bear cub sleeping next to a stuffed toy animal in its box under an infrared lamp at the zoo in Nuremberg, southern Germany.
http://news.yahoo.com/nphotos/
Nu...487RrlUrK8DW7oF
Of course they are linked as things which threaten the patriarchal family with male domination.
The patriarchs secretly fantasize about being dominated by gay men and women. It's no accident.
Gay couples are hurting nobody. We need to move the fick on.
What have you got in mind? Sweet Sue
[checks fridge] I'm out of fire ants, but I'm willing to improvise.
Molly: I should find some of those pics, and put them up on a certain board I frequent... just to see what response they'd draw.
Thanks for the Bhutto link, Moon.
Clintons to Hussein Obama:
"Get back on the plantation, niggah!"
Mountains of "progressive" hypocrisy to the horizon.
Mountains of hilarity, meanwhile.
Keep it comin!
I'm that coffee maker. I grind the beans, then make the coffee.
Echidne
This is kind of neat though, Echidne. I wash it out once a day. I then get it set the night before. I have it time to start about ten minutes before I get up. It makes one hell of a noise when it starts and then the smell of freshly brewed coffee permeates the house. This is the BEST coffee I have had at home ever. Better than grinding the beans and making it immediately afterwards and I have no explanation for that.
Jeebus, why is a sweet young thing like Moon distributing porn. And why are we all looking.
qlª
Do you realize how fast I had to scroll back?
this passage from today's ap article attempting to portray obama as a blacks' candidate caught my attention:
Clinton's campaign isn't interested in helping him resolve that situation.
Her strategists deny any effort to stir the racial debate, but they say they believe the fallout has had the effect of marking Obama as "the black candidate," something he has worked to avoid.
conveniently unnamed strategists with a conveniently placed "denial"
Oh waiter.....
can we get a fresh thread?
ooo, a real expert on race-baiting...
Wow. Concern Troll Fightin The Man.
When I think about it, Galliano certainly seems to be making a statement about war and violence. And it doesn't seem like he is in favor of it.
Just finished listening to mcCain and.... my friends, we are in deep sheet if he gets elected.
gots2go but this was the offending ap article in case you care
http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/
na...90_obama26.html
nick,
Here's one.
I find it tasteless that John Galliano has turned images of those who have suffered torture or those infamous images of Abu Gahrib and turned it into bloody fashion
its insulting
The past two elections, I've come to despise the phrase "family values".
I fucking hate to hear that pass anyones lips in my presence.
There are few people here to get mad at me so I will state this one more time for posterity: The Republicans want to run against either Barack Obama or Hillary Clinton. They believe they can beat either of them.
I think they are right.
But others do not.
I guess we shall see.
typical fashion industry
'oooh abu gahrib, torture, thats so in the now'
'lets chatter endlessly'
nick,
Here's one.
He looks like The Avenging Disco Godfather in that pic.
I find it tasteless that John Galliano has turned images of those who have suffered torture or those infamous images of Abu Gahrib and turned it into bloody fashion
its insulting
Moonbootica, Employed
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perhaps that is the point. It's got at least some people at least talking about it again. It's an ugly protest to an even uglier truth.
MP:
Family Values Family Values Family Values Family Values..
What are you, some kind of anti-family values sociopath ass-fuck?
I find it tasteless that John Galliano has turned images of those who have suffered torture or those infamous images of Abu Gahrib and turned it into bloody fashion
its insulting
The few really artistic types I know seem not to see the ethical aspects of some art at all. It's only seen as art, as shocking and different, and therefore a good thing.
that guy's ass is too small
The Shock Chic Doctrine!
MP:
Family Values Family Values Family Values Family Values..
What are you, some kind of anti-family values sociopath ass-fuck?
Lubyanka
It's become a code word for hate.
"I find it tasteless that John Galliano has turned images of those who have suffered torture or those infamous images of Abu Gahrib and turned it into bloody fashion
its insulting"
--Moonbootica,
Think of the political cartoonists. Think of Picasso and other artists that parodied war. Galliano is doing the same with the absurdity of these costumes.
I'd like to see family values defined in great detail. What does it mean to have family values? For wives? Husbands? Children? Outsiders?
that guy's ass is too small
For what?
MP:
Family Values Family Values Family Values Family Values..
What are you, some kind of anti-family values sociopath ass-fuck?
Lubyanka | 01.26.08 - 3:33 pm | #
Hate is not a family value.
Galliano:
stereotypical nutroot--meaningless gestures masquerading as "fashion."
Scenes we'd like to see - suicide bomber chic, explosives strapped round their waists, then they blow themselves up and the fashionistas with them. ONLY JOKING! Don't call the police.
There are few people here to get mad at me so I will state this one more time for posterity: The Republicans want to run against either Barack Obama or Hillary Clinton. They believe they can beat either of them.
I think they are right.
But others do not.
I guess we shall see.
They think they'd beat John Edwards, too. The Breck girl campaign is part of that. So who would have been the great hero they wouldn't think they can beat?
http://openleft.com/showDiary.do...do?
diaryId=3432
Matt Stoller description and impressions of final Hillary rally in SC.
There's one other point to note. While the blogosphere and the media have parallel conversations about race, identity, electability, etc, it's not like these things don't matter to voters. Voters are parroting these phrases, discussing who can win, who has more experience, who can bring change, who can attract independents and Republicans, etc. When you talk to low information voters, they tell you these things that started with Brian Williams, only it often feels like they are a foreigner learning English. It doesn't make sense but it has an impact. So since this is considered an incredibly hard fought and dirty campaign in the press even though it's not, that's how voters will perceive it.
Which is why we must continue to fight the MCM's bias.
I'd like to see family values defined in great detail. What does it mean to have family values? For wives? Husbands? Children? Outsiders?
Echidne
Family values means that the politician is a pervert, is an adulterer, is a deeply closeted gay, is a pedophile....
Family Values Family Values Family Values Family Values..
What are you, some kind of anti-family values sociopath ass-fuck?
Lubyanka | 01.26.08 - 3:33 pm | #
Hate is not a family value.
Barbarism Begins at Home
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It most certainly is, as hate is usually handed down from generation to generation.
DWD: sure, they probably believe that, but it doesn't mean they're right. I think either of them can do very well in the popular vote, but it would be much tighter in the electoral college.
For the life of me I cannot figure why Edwards does not do better, but it can't be all laid at the feet of the press. He's been at this longer than either HRC or Obama.
Teen Sex sheets. ugh.
Polls say Edwards does do better. Considering that his campaign gets no coverage, that's pretty impressive.
family values=fundy
For the life of me I cannot figure why Edwards does not do better, but it can't be all laid at the feet of the press. He's been at this longer than either HRC or Obama.
I heard him speak last summer. He spoke well and passionately but something was missing, something, which the other candidates I heard (even Richardson) had. It's as if he doesn't want it badly enough or as if his charisma is not of the right type? This is very fuzzy and unscientific, but something about the way he played it didn't come across as leadership.
It most certainly is, as hate is usually handed down from generation to generation.
foolme1ns | 01.26.08 - 3:37 pm | #
I meant value as a good thing. Hate certainly can be a family trait.
JMM:
The presidency is a singular job. It should stay that way. And it's precisely because I'm looking forward to supporting her if she is the nominee that I hate seeing her being overshadowed by her spouse and having her husband bigfoot the process which diminishes her and makes me think her presidency could be a 4 year soap opera where Bill won't shut up and let her have a shot at doing the job.
What kind of twisted sister thinks "family values" is "hate"?
Oh, right, a self-styled "progressive."
They think they'd beat John Edwards, too.
I long ago called bullshit on this theory that the GOP is slobbering to run against X, Y, or Z so we better not elect whoever they tell us they want us not to or something. WTF is difficult to grasp about the fact that *their script does not change*?
Echidne,
Maybe they can beat Edwards but at least he would not be fighting uphill.
I have a really terrible feeling about this election. Even worse than last time. Everyone here seems cocky and sure: I am not. The media simply refuses to cover that which those in charge do not want covered (see Iraq War, Soldier's funerals, Budget deficits, Trade balances, shipping of jobs overseas, unemployment) and they cover in minute detail that which they want to expose as bogus.
The Daily Show with Samantha Bee did a wonderful job of exposing the media mindset the other night. The truth is that we cannot fight the media. Because the corporations are owned by the Republicans the Republicans own the media, we will lose. Simple as that.
her presidency could be a 4 year soap opera where Bill won't shut up and let her have a shot at doing the job.
Bullfuckingshit and JMM can bite my shiny metal ass.
JeffCO.
I am sorry: call it bullshit if you want, But I RESPECTFULLY feel you are in error.
A Billary candidacy will galvanize the GOP like none of their own candidates will.
S h e e t s e s e s e s ...
For the life of me I cannot figure why Edwards does not do better, but it can't be all laid at the feet of the press. He's been at this longer than either HRC or Obama.
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He doesn't have the bankroll that HRC and Obama have either. He isn't accepting money from pacs or lobbyists. Money buys a lot of things some tangible and some not, but it makes a difference.
her presidency could be a 4 year soap opera where Bill won't shut up and let her have a shot at doing the job.
Bullfuckingshit and JMM can bite my shiny metal ass.
And this is what we worry about now? I couldn't care less if Hillary ties Bill to the bedposts or the other way round. I couldn't care less if journalists hate having to cover the Clintons again. I care about the war and the world and the economy and the Supreme Court.
A Billary candidacy will galvanize the GOP like none of their own candidates will.
So Hillary galvanizes the GOP. And Dems are supposed to panic over that because...
No wait, they don't have to panic over that.
To be really galvanized, the GOP has to nominate a somebody. And so far there isn't one.
we will lose. Simple as that
Respectfully, DWD, IMO you are projecting.
I looked at all the Galliano photos--at the beginning, the medieval look, with furs and big berets was pretty neat. I liked the jester hats and weird jester clothing. The torture/victim stuff was pretty hard to take.
And the jesters were sort of mixed in
with that, iirce.
I would like some of the hats....
Off Topic: This totally pathetic. John Aravosis owner of AMERICAblog recently posted a thread about how angry he was because while making over $75,000.00 running his site he will not receive a rebate check.
The thread had over 500 comments, most by angry commentors, many were regulars. Mr. Aravosis in sheer panic mode for being exposed as the asshole he is quickly archived the thread and then totally removing the thread from his archives.
What progressive would do such a thing. First he censors comments that do not agree with him then just like a republican he destroys the thread like it never happened.
Screw you Mr. Aravosis! And by the way what the hell have you done with all of that money donated to you to upgrade your site!?!
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