I'MMA LET YOU FINISH

Whoa!


(That's my Keanu Reeves impression)


GravatarFrom below:

"There are those in our own country, too... who today speak of the protection of country...of survival.

A decision must be made
in the life of every nation...at the very moment when the grasp of the enemy is at its throat. Then it seems that the only way to survive
is to use the means of the enemy...to rest survival upon what is expedient,
to look the other way.

The answer to that is: Survival as what?

A country isn't a rock.
It's not an extension of one's self.
It's what it stands for. It's what it stands for when standing for something is the most difficult.

Before the people of the world..."


Gravatar(That's my Keanu Reeves impression)
Thumper Johnson



"Duuuuuuuuuuuude!"


GravatarWow, that's tectonic-plate shifting.


GravatarC'mon... name some names.


Gravatarp o o b
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GravatarOf course. Why is this news? We're just pawns.


GravatarCabrito was what Atrios ate I think.


GravatarI can haz reeder's digest vershun?


Gravatar"The TRUTH has finally been revealed."

i smell bullshit. it's MUCH more likely soros just tells people what to write.


GravatarThis has been a long time coming. I've kept quiet about it for awhile now, but many major blogs and bloggers are increasingly becoming unreadable for me... because I know they're getting outraged over the wrong things, at the wrong time and at the wrong people. I want to avoid specific names for the obvious reasons, and I know there's some irony in what I'm posting.



Except I don't think they mean it to be funny.


GravatarI can haz reeder's digest vershun?
blerb | 07.12.08 - 2:03 pm | #

Government declares war on people, people don't care.


GravatarIs it me or is that largely indecipherable?


GravatarComing from site that has been "played" since at least the time Harry Reid became Minority Leader, that's pretty fucking funny...


GravatarIs it me or is that largely indecipherable?

You need your Ovaltine Decoder Ring.

"D-R-I-N..."


GravatarThis just works, doesn't it?
Were you born an asshole?
Or did you work at it your whole life?
Either way it worked out fine
'cause you're an asshole tonight.
Yes you're an A S S H O L E...
And don't you try to blame it on me.
You deserve all the credit.
You're an asshole tonight.
You were an asshole yesterday.
You're an asshole tonight.
And I've got a feelin'
you'll be an asshole the rest of your life.
And I was talkin' to your mother just the other night.
I told her I thought you were an asshole.
She said, "Yes. I think you're right."
And all your friends are assholes
'cause you've known them your whole life.
And somebody told me
you've got an asshole for a wife.


GravatarWell, local PBS has gone from kick-ass cooking shows to dude who builds chairs using Amish handtools.
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GravatarI'm sure Atrios will post something funny in a moment that will let us all forget.


GravatarDWD - S☮S





GravatarI know they're getting outraged over the wrong things, at the wrong time and at the wrong people.

It is a shame you are denying all us the wonderment that is your superior knowledge of all things political.

Obviously you should be the Presidential nominee or DNC chair. Or at least a major blogger, so that you could enlighten us all with your superior wisdom of all things political.


GravatarDisclosure since people have asked (and the question was fair):
I am a junior staffer at a consulting firm. My direct superiors are pretty damned connected but if I gave you their names and you googled them, you might find 4-5 legit results and be able to figure out only about half the races and campaigns that they worked on. The top dogs at the firm know the Clintons personally. (When I wrote the blinds in the diary, I was not referring to Clinton or Obama staffers. I was thinking of staffers for other politicians.)

My closest friends who work in politics also tend to be junior staffers (assistants, junior researchers, schedulers, junior field staff -- although don't underestimate the schedulers and the info that you can glean from an address book or schedule), but I'm also close to a smaller number of folks who have been senior staff on gubernatorial and coordinated campaigns.


Dear Kos,

I am a freshman at a large Northeastern university. I never thought this sort of thing could happen to me till one day....


GravatarA savvy staffer for Congressman Y might take advantage of that and leak false or misleading information about what's going on to one of the major bloggers who in turn, writes about it, and then, presto, all of you are believing that Congressman X is to blame when in fact Congressman X was actually better on that legislation than Congressman Y. And the reason why the staffer for Congressman Y pushed the blame to Congressman X, is because Congressman X has already been a frequent target for netroots criticism, so the staffer for Congressman Y knows that you're more likely to believe it was Congressman X's fault.

I would never vote for any politician who hides behind an initial.


GravatarAs for people I know in Congress, I know mostly junior legislative staffers. It was actually one of them that prompted me to write this diary who has complained to me before about some of the false info written on the front page of DKos.



GravatarOne way for this blog to become more powerful would be to alternate snarky posts with detailed posts about using firearms and urban insurgency


GravatarIs it me or is that largely indecipherable?
Thumper Johnson | 07.12.08 - 2:05 pm


Yes.


Gravatarthey're getting outraged over the wrong things, at the wrong time and at the wrong people.



Excuse me?


GravatarSome of you might not agree
cause you probably likes a lot of misery
But think a while and you will see...
Broken hearts are for assholes
Broken hearts are for assholes
Are you an asshole?
Broken hearts are for assholes
Are you an asshole too?
Whatcha gonna do, cause youre an asshole...
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GravatarTerry C,

If you look for it, it is called the I-95 Song.

Nap time. I need to rest up so I can get played some more.

Egads. This country has been played, asshole. Every day in every way. Wake up.

Peace.


GravatarYou are fools!

Sincerely,

Mary Roth


GravatarYou are fools!

Sincerely,

Mary Roth
trifecta | Homepage | 07.12.08 - 2:08 pm | #

Duh. we're here, aren't we?


GravatarI can haz reeder's digest vershun?
blerb | 07.12.08 - 2:03 pm | #

Government declares war on people, people don't care.
Mike


Or...

Jeebuz, how many paragraphs in a row can one person start with a conditional?


GravatarVery frequently, an article or blog post will have a lot of facts, but because the story is incomplete or because you don't know the players or their modus operandi, you're very likely to draw the wrong conclusions.

[gasping for breath]


Gravatarthat diary was written by Frank "Grimey" Grimes from the Simpsons


GravatarEvery paragraph should start with 'Whereas...'


GravatarJeffraham Prestonian:


I SO miss Frank!


GravatarHowdy, Barry! I think this is the earliest I've ever seen you here!
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GravatarEvery paragraph should start with 'Whereas...'
Mike


"There AIN'T no sanity clause!"


GravatarI'm glad the "Candy Bomber" is getting his due. Back in WWII, a young bomber pilot thought it might be cool to throw out some bits of candy out of his airplane cruising over Germany. They even made little parachutes out of them.

He actually got into trouble doing that, but it was one of the best PR things the US could have done.

There are Germans to this day who fondly remember the "Candy Bomber".


GravatarVery frequently, an article or blog post will have a lot of facts

You can use facts to prove anything that's remotely true!


GravatarAnd if you knew the people that I know and if You were nearly as cool as I am and as smart and rich and good looking and as well-hung, well. IF then you would be privy to all of his good shit like I am and you could be a captain on the Good Shit Lollipop like I am.

It's the good shit, Lollipop
Where we party until we drop
Where the dumbs dumbs bray
And the Republicans come to play
It's a good shit Lollipop
Not a nice place for an acid drop


GravatarHaving read that, people, I have to say I am concerned. Very, very concerned.


GravatarI'm glad the "Candy Bomber" is getting his due. Back in WWII, a young bomber pilot thought it might be cool to throw out some bits of candy out of his airplane cruising over Germany. They even made little parachutes out of them.

He actually got into trouble doing that, but it was one of the best PR things the US could have done.

There are Germans to this day who fondly remember the "Candy Bomber".
MP | 07.12.08 - 2:12 pm | #


These days, they just use brightly colored cluster bombs.

A good third of them don't go off, and the kids love 'em!


GravatarJeffCO.

Is your brow knitted now? Or furrowed? This distinction is important you know?


GravatarI just installed Tweetdeck this morning. Pretty slick!
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GravatarHaving read that, people, I have to say I am concerned. Very, very concerned.

I am shocked. When I recover from the shock, I shall try to be concerned.


GravatarTRUTH, or truthiness? You decide!

From below:
A lot of dough was spent on JFK's moonshot. Money that could have been put to good use elsewhere.

But by pulling that enormous stunt off, just like at then close of World War Two, we had the rest of the planet's jaw dropping at what this Nation could accomplish.


It wasn't just the rest of the world. We needed it after the riots and the war and the Rooskies beating us in other space things...

And I think we could use something like that again. Some New Deal to move the country forward...


GravatarHaving read that, people, I have to say I am concerned. Very, very concerned.

I am shocked. When I recover from the shock, I shall try to be concerned.
Snow (D-SC) | Homepage | 07.12.08 - 2:14 pm | #

I'm awed


GravatarWritten by someone who thinks he/she is a Very Serious Person, and who hopes, someday to have regular access to the Cocktail Weenies of Truth.


GravatarAh, the intrigue.... Can you sense the tension? It's almost as if one were right there while Joke Line was writing Primary Colors....


GravatarBest comment:

why is this on the rec list? (0+ / 0-)

We should all read more closely, thanks.

this is purely conjecture. It invites speculation. He could be talking about anybody, doing anything to anyone. It is a veiled criticism at someone, but who?

And please stop using the word savvy so much.


GravatarAny Twitter ppl here wanna add me, I'm @jprestonian, of course.
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GravatarI wonder if hitlr.com is taken


GravatarTwitter seems like a good back-channel compliment to other forums. Using Tweetdeck, one can sort folx into groups.
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GravatarA good third of them don't go off, and the kids love 'em!

Remember when we were dropping Humanitarian Daily Ration packs to hungry people in Afghanistan, and they were the same color as the cluster bombs?


GravatarJeffCO. Is your brow knitted now? Or furrowed? This distinction is important you know? DWD - SS

I am about 80% consternated.


GravatarAtrios is a play-ah?


GravatarIt is a shame you are denying all us the wonderment that is your superior knowledge of all things political.
Snow (D-SC)

A prime example of someone believes their own hype.


GravatarI don't like it when we're constantly bellicose as a Nation. It never turns out well.

But it's how Chimpy chose to do things.


Gravatar why is this on the rec list?

Why does anything end up on the "rec" list over there?

Truly a mystery...


Gravatar""Very frequently, an article or blog post will have a lot of facts, but because the story is incomplete or because you don't know the players or their modus operandi, you're very likely to draw the wrong conclusions.""

You 91%ers are advocates because you don't know the whole story, Rocky, Steny, Nancy, and Rahm do and that's why we had to take down the Constitution. We're leaders! And get invited to all the Power Parties, that's a plus.

We're Winning in Iraq!


GravatarThe Kos diary guy is right. Major bloggers are dupes, but also all powerful and impotent.


GravatarAtrios is a play-ah?
Southern Beale


There were reports of cocktail weenie juice being scrubbed off the roof top deck.

I am very concerned.


GravatarIt's so hot, the cats don't wanna try the balcony, at all.
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GravatarThe only worthwhile piece of information in that diary is this, IMHO:

"If you have the money now, donate it. We'd probably have more Senate and House seats right now if our candidates in previous cycles had more money early. In addition, the Obama campaign is running an ambitious 50-state strategy. This strategy is contingent upon raising a certain amount of cash. If that cash isn't being raised, you could see that 50-state strategy go buh-bye and you could see it go buh-bye for several cycles not just this one."


GravatarNo match for domain "HITLR.COM".
>>> Last update of whois database: Sat, 12 Jul 2008 14:13:44 EDT


GravatarWritten by someone who thinks he/she is a Very Serious Person, and who hopes, someday to have regular access to the Cocktail Weenies of Truth.

That's pretty much every diarist at Orange Satan.


GravatarIt's so hot, the cats don't wanna try the balcony, at all.


I have a heat-seeking feline that is passed out on my back porch right now and loving it. I get hot just looking at him.


GravatarWhy does anything end up on the "rec" list over there?

That does it. You're troll rated.


GravatarA lot of dough was spent on JFK's moonshot. Money that could have been put to good use elsewhere.

Where and how?


GravatarNo here's some really big news:

NEW YORK -- In what has become a tradition during All-Star week festivities, for the eighth consecutive year, Major League Baseball Commissioner Bud Selig is planning to address baseball fans around the world in a live Internet chat session on Tuesday, just hours before the big game at Yankee Stadium.

Who could pass up the chance to chat online with Bud Selig?


GravatarIt's so hot, the cats don't wanna try the balcony, at all.

During the last heat wave, our cats all sprawled out on the hardwood floors.


Gravatarit maybe true, but manifesto true?


GravatarA prime example of someone believes their own hype.

My guess is that he's been Ayn Randed and nearly branded a communist 'cause he's left handed.


GravatarI get hot just looking at him.

Back atcha, babe!


GravatarThe netroots would be ok if it didn't have so many people in it.


GravatarA lot of dough was spent on JFK's moonshot.

It certainly is true that JFK had plenty of moonshots.


GravatarYou mean Hillary ISN'T a racist?


GravatarWho could pass up the chance to chat online with Bud Selig?

[raises hand]


GravatarWe're Winning in Iraq!
der



Er, what are we winning?


GravatarSouthern Beale: I have a heat-seeking feline that is passed out on my back porch right now and loving it. I get hot just looking at him.

Curly was like that at 7:30 a.m. He wouldn't come back in, so when I laid down for another 90-min. nap, he was trapped. I woke up, let his anxious ass in, and he was completely inconsolable for the next hour. Awww.
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GravatarThe netroots would be ok if it didn't have so many people in it.

Nobody even bothers to go into the Eschaton comments anymore, they're so crowded.


GravatarA lot of dough was spent on JFK's moonshot. Money that could have been put to good use elsewhere.

I think a lot of our NASA space exploration stuff ends up with real-world applications right here at home that no one ever really thinks about. Materials used in other things, for example.


GravatarYou mean politicians and their staffs try to influence and spin members of the media, even bloggers whose minds are progressive and hearts are pure? I'm shocked, SHOCKED to hear this!


GravatarA lot of dough was spent on JFK's moonshot. Money that could have been put to good use elsewhere.

As someone said yesterday, the whole space race was incredibly inspirational for my generation, as kids.

And don't forget, we got Velcro. And Tang.


GravatarA lot of dough was spent on JFK's moonshot. Money that could have been put to good use elsewhere.

Where and how?
Snow (D-SC)


"War" on poverty, "Great Society".

Don't get me wrong, I grew up looking at the Mercury, Gemini, Apollo projects as cool stuff.


GravatarA lot of dough was spent on JFK's moonshot. Money that could have been put to good use elsewhere.



To tell you the truth, I was never excited over this space shit.

I always believed that money was being pissed away when it could be put to better use here on earth.


Gravatarhe was completely inconsolable for the next hour.

"You abandonnnnnnned meeeeeeeeee!!!!!!!"


GravatarI just bought some foul-smelling green jello like stuff that's supposed to keep cats off of tables. I'll let you know how it works.

Our cats love to hang out on dining room table, but then they cough up hairballs, and it has eaten away at the finish. It's also really nasty.


GravatarTo tell you the truth, I was never excited over this space shit.

I loved it. Though at the time, I was too young to realize it was a "battle" against the Russians.


GravatarWe went to moon because we could. We went to the moon because it was very difficult to do. We went to the moon to show the Russians how accurate we could be.


GravatarBob Herbert has a question...

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/1...&hp& oref=slogin

What does it say about John McCain’s judgment that this guy was one of his top — and possibly his pre-eminent — economic adviser? What does it say about Mr. McCain’s judgment that in 1996, he believed Phil Gramm was the best choice to be president?


Hmmmm...how about John McCain is an idiot?

Oh, and since the big shitpile is rocking the news again these days, lets not forget the role John McCain played in the previous big shitpile Republican sponsored S & L scandal 20 years ago.

How much more of the Bullshit Express do we need?


GravatarYou mean politicians and their staffs try to influence and spin members of the media, even bloggers whose minds are progressive and hearts are pure? I'm shocked, SHOCKED to hear this! Capital J

Yes, we speak of things that matter, With words that must be said,
Can politics be worthwhile? Is Tony Snow really dead?


GravatarWe went to moon because we could. We went to the moon because it was very difficult to do. We went to the moon to show the Russians how accurate we could be.

And to play golf.


GravatarMP: I loved it. Though at the time, I was too young to realize it was a "battle" against the Russians.

Me too! I loved that my parents bought a set of World Book encyclopedias, and kept buying the Yearbooks for over a decade. The 1969 and 1970 books... oh, I wish I had those, now.
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GravatarDid Atrios get invited to the restaurant because of his blog? This would put him perilously close to media whore status I think.


GravatarI don't know....outraged over the deaths of 600K Iraqis and indefinite detention and torture...these are the wrong things???????


GravatarAnd don't forget, we got Velcro. And Tang.

You mean astronaut groupies wearing tearaway tops?


GravatarWell I oughta... to the moon, Alice, right to the moon.


GravatarBush pissed on the world because he could. He pissed on the world because it was very stupid to do. He pissed on the world to show his Dad how manly he could be.

Folded your Tshirt


GravatarI think a lot of our NASA space exploration stuff ends up with real-world applications right here at home that no one ever really thinks about. Materials used in other things, for example.

I have a moon rock door stop. Also, velcro was not invented by NASA.


GravatarAnd to play golf.

That's what I meant. To show the Russians how accurate we could be with the golf clubs.

The led directly to the development of the Tiger Woods.


GravatarI think a lot of our NASA space exploration stuff ends up with real-world applications right here at home that no one ever really thinks about. Materials used in other things, for example.


Transistors, too, and medical developments. On the other hand, a lot of it was for the military.

It also drained a lot of dough from the Soviets when they tried to keep pace.


Gravatar[raises hand] Snow (D-SC)

Stop mocking Thers!


GravatarWe went to moon because we could. We went to the moon because it was very difficult to do. We went to the moon to show the Russians how accurate we could be.

Nowadays we invade countries and blow shit up for those reasons. Give me a moon landing over an Iraq occupation any day.


GravatarI don't know....outraged over the deaths of 600K Iraqis and indefinite detention and torture...these are the wrong things???????
Shared Humanity | 07.12.08 - 2:27 pm | #


I'll tell you what to be concerned about and when. And Bill Clinton's blow jobs are still important dammit, and don't you forget it.
/MSM


GravatarWe went to moon because we could. We went to the moon because it was very difficult to do. We went to the moon to show the Russians how much larger was our national penis than their's.
Snow (D-SC) | Homepage | 07.12.08 - 2:25 pm | #


Fixed, etc.


GravatarNo Velcro was not a space program innovation. I think bubble wrap shipping packaging was though.


GravatarKennedy:
We set sail on this new sea because there is new knowledge to be gained, and new rights to be won, and they must be won and used for the progress of all people. For space science, like nuclear science and all technology, has no conscience of its own. Whether it will become a force for good or ill depends on man, and only if the United States occupies a position of pre-eminence can we help decide whether this new ocean will be a sea of peace or a new terrifying theater of war. I do not say the we should or will go unprotected against the hostile misuse of space any more than we go unprotected against the hostile use of land or sea, but I do say that space can be explored and mastered without feeding the fires of war, without repeating the mistakes that man has made in extending his writ around this globe of ours.


GravatarStop mocking Thers!

Never!


GravatarDid Atrios get invited to the restaurant because of his blog?

I suspect he gets hos access through the mysterious Mrs Atrios, who is a supermodel and leader of a secret liberal think tank.


Gravatarleibniz: I have a moon rock door stop. Also, velcro was not invented by NASA.

Not a lot of Enterprise fans, I know, but I loved the episode where T'pol's great*4grandmother gave the dude Velcro in exchange for scholarship cash for the kid.
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GravatarTransistors, too, and medical developments. On the other hand, a lot of it was for the military.

Radio technology started as a wartime application.

I'm thinking things like solar technology might have started in the space program. I don't really know.

All I know is whenever I buy something like running shoes they tell me how they tread is made out of some kind of material originally used by NASA or some bs like that.


GravatarI suspect he gets hos access

His access. Not Freudian. Not, not, not.


GravatarGromit... that was a hoot. My hat is off to that post.


Gravatargood thing i'm not a major blogger. i have to sift through everything and make up my own mind.


GravatarRadio technology started as a wartime application.

Marconi? Really? Maybe you mean radar?


GravatarWe went to the moon to show the Russians how accurate we could be.

if we are so accurate, how come Charlton Heston didn't know where the fuck he was?


GravatarI think the upside-down writing pen was invented for space use, too.


GravatarI do say that space can be explored and mastered without feeding the fires of war, without repeating the mistakes that man has made in extending his writ around this globe of ours.

And that lasted until Star Wars...


Gravatarhow come Charlton Heston didn't know where the fuck he was?

Alzheimer's.


GravatarNASA advisor to Lyndon Johnson: "Our Germans are better than their Germans"


Mort Sahl was a NASA advisor?

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GravatarI suspect he gets hos access through the mysterious Mrs Atrios

bernie mac? is that you?


Gravatarif we are so accurate, how come Charlton Heston didn't know where the fuck he was?

Rhetorical, right?


GravatarSometimes Lew Rockwell has a great pic:

http://www.lewrockwell.com/blog/ ...cism+Poster.bmp


GravatarWord up, playa ?


GravatarI think the upside-down writing pen was invented for space use, too

NASA spent a few million on a pen that could write upside down. The Russians? They just used a pencil.


GravatarDoes anyone have a copy of Steinbeck's East of Eden handy? Anyone?

Go now, get it off the bookshelf, and read Chapter 12. It's only two pages. It's the one that begins, "Another hundred years were ground up and churned and what had happened was all muddied by the way folks wanted it to be -- more rich and meaningful the farther back it was."

It's fucking brilliant and totally relevant to *this* new millennium.

Yes, I'm re-reading the classics this summer.


Gravatar'tang!


GravatarAlso, velcro was not invented by NASA.

No kidding? Well, there was, um, baby wipes and that foaming toilet cleaner stuff. NASA all the way, baby.


GravatarDisposable diapers? NASA.


GravatarNASA spent a few million on a pen that could write upside down. The Russians? They just used a pencil.


But they spent millions to develop the pencil sharpener that wouldn't leave those little shavings floating around...


GravatarYes, I'm re-reading the classics this summer.
Southern Beale | Homepage | 07.12.08 - 2:34 pm | #

Ah yes, you mean like 'Up Against the Wall Motherfucker'?


GravatarAnd that lasted until Star Wars...
atablarasa | 07.12.08 - 2:33 pm | #


"barack, i am your father."

"nooooooooooo!!!!"


GravatarI think the upside-down writing pen was invented for space use, too.

My favorite commentary on that is that one spends money on such things if one has the money to spend. We spent an ungodly amount of money on research for that little tool, many hundreds of thousands.

What did the Russians use in space? Pencils.


GravatarBut they spent millions to develop the pencil sharpener that wouldn't leave those little shavings floating around..

The first Brazil wax in space was a disaster.


GravatarThere was a lot of trust that Michael Collins woudn't just fly off and leave them there.


GravatarI KNEW IT! I'm voting for McCain!


GravatarAnd that lasted until Star Wars...

A name I hate, by the way. More Luntz-speak, designed to remind Americans of their favorite movie where good prevails over evil and everything is black and white.

Let's call it what it is: a waste of fucking money.


GravatarYes, I'm re-reading the classics this summer.

Me too! George Sheehan On Running...

It's amazing to read about "smoke-filled locker rooms" from today's perspective.


GravatarThe first Brazil wax in space was a disaster.




GravatarDouble-sided tape? NASA.


GravatarI don't get the premise - that politicians are being nice to bloggers so they get in their favor?


GravatarThe astronauts in those week long Gemini missions had to do something...


GravatarI'm listening to This American Life, a guy named Bob claims he's proved E=MC (little 2) is wrong.


GravatarGus Grissom fire sales? NASA


GravatarWe spent an ungodly amount of money on research for that little tool, many hundreds of thousands.

And military pilots appreciate the expenditures.


GravatarA name I hate, by the way. More Luntz-speak, designed to remind Americans of their favorite movie

Actually Star Wars was the name given to the program by opponents, implying that Reagan didn't know the difference between a fantasy movie and reality. The administration always insisted on SDI.


GravatarWindows Me? NASA


GravatarI don't get the premise - that politicians are being nice to bloggers so they get in their favor?

No, that bloggers are part of a larger political machine and people who visit blogs and comment on blogs, people like you and me, in fact, have been HAD, I tell you, we're TOOLS in a bigger PLAN goddamit.

I don't believe a word of it.



GravatarGeorge Sheehan? Wow. I knew the guy. He was a neighbor of mine in NJ. He was a cardiologist (I think), but wrote local columns on jogging. Nice guy too!


GravatarWheels within wheels, MAN!

ROSWELL!! ROSWELL!!!


GravatarGus Grissom fire sales? NASA
leibniz leibkins ♘☮


That deal was so fucked up. I'm sure the control people heard them screaming as they burnt to death.


GravatarOn the other hand, a lot of it was for the military.

Many of the most useful inventions were originally developed for the military and then were used to benefit humanity.On the other hand, a lot of it was for the military


Like this one first used in the middle ages....

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wiki...e/ Trebuchet.jpg


Now playing a critical role in pumpkin tossing.


Gravatar we're TOOLS in a bigger PLAN goddamit.

well, i'm a tool. but i don't think anyone includes me in their plan.


GravatarActually Star Wars was the name given to the program by opponents,

Oh, you're right. I'd forgotten that.

But that was back in the Reagan years. When Bush II revived the idea I thought they called it Star Wars as shorthand for the "missile shield."

Until some guys from the stone age with box cutters took over airplanes, and everyone realized that "missile shields" wouldn't have done dick to prevent that.


GravatarE=mc²


GravatarThat deal was so fucked up. I'm sure the control people heard them screaming as they burnt to death.

No one could have anticipated that a 100% oxygen atmosphere in a sealed capsule with miles of hand-soldered electrical wiring might be a problem.


Gravatarwell, i'm a tool. but i don't think anyone includes me in their plan.


"A Man, A Plan, A Canal: PANAMA"


GravatarGeorge Sheehan? Wow. I knew the guy. He was a neighbor of mine in NJ. He was a cardiologist (I think), but wrote local columns on jogging. Nice guy too!


I saw him speak before a race once. I thought he seemed pretty cool for a celebrity. Must have been the running...

Hated it when he died.

And yeah, a cardiologist.


Gravatar"You all have NO IDEA what it is to be in the special place I am and know the special people I know, so just STFU and send us the bread."


GravatarI'm sure the control people heard them screaming as they burnt to death.

I doubt that. Somehow I doubt they were screaming, even if the control people could hear what was happening.


GravatarNASA is nothing more than a test program for the Air Force and Navy.


GravatarE=mc²

How'd you do that?


Gravatar"A Man, A Plan, A Canal: PANAMA"

For McCain it's more likely "Able was I ere I saw Elba"


GravatarMany of the most useful inventions were originally developed for the military and then were used to benefit humanity.

Largely. Though after WWII we spent a lot of R&D on basic science such as biomedicine. Scientists had years of grant money to work out the complexities of biology. If you throw enough money at something like the military, they will probably provide a few useful inventions. The same is true for any other area, e.g., light rail, space exploration or making a better dildo.


GravatarHow'd you do that? Southern Beale

Cheated.


GravatarI doubt that. Somehow I doubt they were screaming, even if the control people could hear what was happening.
Southern Beale


They have the crew reporting a fire in the capsule on tape.


GravatarSHEETS.


GravatarA better dildo? funding that kind of research would be considered "pork" yes?


GravatarCheated.
JeffCO | 07.12.08 - 2:45 pm | #


me³


Gravatarowls!!!!!!!!!!


GravatarOne of the biggest netroots heroes should thank his lucky stars that the people he has badly mistreated are press shy and don't talk to bloggers or the MSM (on or off the record).

wonder who that could be?


GravatarI think Tom Wolfe's book the Right Stuff suggested a foreign item like a "cleaning rag" left in the oxygen generator started the whole fire event.


GravatarWow, that's tectonic-plate shifting.
Cookie Fleck `08 | 07.12.08 - 2:01 pm |


it should be, but probably isn't


Gravatarthat is the perfect DC article. they all believe it - from AEI to CDF, left and right, black and white, all the ones with the connections us fly-over people can't even imagine as we while away our evenings in the trailer park watching shopping tv and gossiping about our day on the car lot.


GravatarEZ owls


GravatarI'm sure the control people heard them screaming as they burnt to death.

I think there's also video or film...


GravatarAnyway, when the Dems fuck up on something as big as FISA, collective punishment is called for. I got yer 50-state strategy right here, scumbag.


Gravatarreprisals | 07.12.08 - 3:00 pm


Your CONCERN is NOTED.


GravatarOne of the biggest netroots heroes should thank his lucky stars that the people he has badly mistreated are press shy and don't talk to bloggers or the MSM (on or off the record).
This is you, Atrios, isn't it?

Seriously. Un.Read.Able. Too many "savvy" Xs and Ys to keep up with.


GravatarWhy was this a recommended KOS diary?


GravatarThis is a great example of why I don't waste my at DK. It's a hash of drivel with, once in awhile, some important insight, but very seldom. DK is mostly white noise. It's a shame but I think demonstrates that.

Oh, and if you mean JMM at TPM then say it.


GravatarGetting Played

A disciple of the Great Orange Satan goes less than deep:

I want to avoid specific names for the obvious reasons, and I know there's some irony in what I'm posting. In any case, I think my overall message is important enough, so here it goes.

Memo to DKos blogger Newsie8200:

The "obvious reasons" why you "want to avoid specific names" is that you don't have the guts to back up your rhetoric with names and links to particular blogs and other fact-based sources to support your assertions. And there is no "irony" in proffering gutless gossip.

Your "diary" is filled with straw men and women who remain nameless and hence meaningless to your reader -- "major bloggers" and "savvy politicos" and "savvy staffers" and "Congressmen Xs and Ys" and and "consultants" and "top dogs" and "interns" and "junior staffers" and, most laughable of all, "DC bigwigs" -- bigwigs?

If you believe that your "overall message" was "important enough" to write, then at least have the courage to name names and provide links to the blogs to which you refer in your "diary" -- otherwise, shut the fuck up.

Finally, while your cliché-ridden junior staffer's lament contains no irony, it does work as a parody of writing at its worst.

Junior Wanker of the Day: Newsie8200

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GravatarNewsie 8200. His bosses know the Clinton's by their names. It wasn't all Mark Penn's fault.

Daily Kos. Fanning the torch of truth in the right wing claims about the decline in American Education.

Hughes-Penn in 2012. Reaching Across the Aisle on the Cutting Edge of Micro Issue technology and middle eastern feminist cuisine.

I watched a Dennis Miller rerun on HBO last night. Vintage 1992. He made me laugh a few times. Newsie8200 only makes me cry.

This kid is gonna pay for my Social Security check. McCain is right. It is a disgrace.


GravatarBob Dole makes cryptic statements for a better America.


GravatarBob Dole is a hip "foodie".


GravatarBrevity is the soul of wit?


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