I'MMA LET YOU FINISH
I've got the house to meself?
ok, this is weird. where are y'all?
hello
When orangutans dream...
And now... off to the link!
hi desi
Call your Congresscritter, and just say three little words:
GROW SOME WELLSTONES
Are these the new sheets?
FIRST!
Heh heh heh...
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hey, THers - thanks!
Hey liberals, the casualty rate in Iraq keeps going down down down!
General Petraeus has defeated liberals and Iraq.
again, DP - love me some orangs. That is a lovely photo!
Hey, Diane! How goes the acting career? 
Clean linen!
I hope "pud" is as believing of global warming statistics!
Because the night belongs to lovers.
"Clean linen!"
stain at 12:52
jeebus is it that late?
Go pound yourself.
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I hear a-squawkin'...
FIRST!
Heh heh heh...
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MisterX
They just made fun of some people's raison d'etre...
I hope "pud" is as believing of global warming statistics!
Darryl Pearce | Homepage | 10.20.07 - 12:54 am | #
which statistics, the ones that are predicting an ice age or a heat age?
General Petraeus has defeated liberals and Iraq.
pud |
If you have a brain, you are clearly not using it, but just taking it out now and again to play with it.
General Petraeus has defeated liberals and Iraq.
pud
Can't a triumphant brother get a parade these days?
Ice is good. try it if you can. - Uncle Blodge
Ice with electrostim is better than sex. I recall no libidinal collision that produced 6 hours of afterglow.
General Petraeus has defeated liberals and Iraq.
pud | Homepage | 10.20.07 - 12:52 am | #
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Defeated Iraq ?
You really do hate niggers, don't you ?
Because the night belongs to lovers.
Pish-tush. It belongs to us.
Whereby Thers proves that he does, indeed, giva a sheet...
Gee, since General Petraeus has defeated Iraq, the soldiers can come home, right?
"It belongs to us."
yes - the night shift. We rock
out loud.
I propose t shirts.
You really do hate niggers, don't you ?
Doug Watts | Homepage | 10.20.07 - 12:55 am | #
Now we see what liberals really think og the blacks.
OMG. That is the stoopitist thang I have ever read.
And yes. "Stoopit" with two o's and a t.
A rightard posted this in the comments over at my blog when I suggested bringing the troops home would reduce casualties. What do you think?
The US military loses over 1,000 men and women per year (average)...DURING PEACETIME... so bringing them home only changes the cause of death and their location when it happens.
Sarah D,
Re birthday:
I was trying (shamelessly) to get a laugh of sallyh. I'll be 63 next month. If you really are old enough to be my mom, my hat's off to you.
Uncle Blodge, may I have mine in a French cut style?
Since it is still Friday on the west coast, I must share this Friday Cat blogging. Morse says it must be a minion of Malkin's stalking...
They just made fun of some people's raison d'etre...
ellroon, blogosaurus
It's a CREED! If he didn't post FIRST, no one could be second. Think about it.
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Haley Barbour, I mean Pud, thinks Operation Neverending Katrina was successful because it defeated the black people of New Orleans.
"Uncle Blodge, may I have mine in a French cut style?"
if you wish
For the US to beatchest about defeating Saddam Hussein, is like the US really wanting to downsize.
ellroon...at first, I though that was a raccoon
I'm going to have a little fantasy.
*
That was fun.
Which do you suppose is worse: having Restless Leg Syndrome, or taking medication for it that may lead to increased gambling or sexual urges?
J.K. Rowling has just outed Albus Dumbledore.
And it's on Huffington Post. I'm going to have to go lie down.
Which do you suppose is worse: having Restless Leg Syndrome, or taking medication for it that may lead to increased gambling or sexual urges?
I didn't want to sit next to you anyway.
Which do you suppose is worse: having Restless Leg Syndrome, or taking medication for it that may lead to increased gambling or sexual urges?
Sinfonian, with new job
Having both?
Pish-tush. It belongs to us. Thers
I only the night's thousand eyes would stop looking at me.
sinfonian...
some use Klonopin for this
ellroon...at first, I though that was a raccoon
::matthew
It is one intensely pissed off cat. I'm not sure I'd let it in the house...
you're all wankers!
Restless Leg Syndrome
These boots are made for walking.
Have you had Restless Leg Syndrome?
It can drive you crazy.
Increased sexual urges can be dealt with.
Thersites what sort of ethics do you adhere to?
I'm going to have a little fantasy.
Sometimes, that's all you need.
I don't have RLS. I just saw an ad on teevee for Mirapex.
Ether, darlin....
Wankwankwankwankwank...
Why do you care, sugarplum?
Bo, and you did 
A rightard posted this in the comments over at my blog when I suggested bringing the troops home would reduce casualties. What do you think?
Oh, nice, they're gonna die anyway, so they'd might as well die in the service of chimpy's ego?
Is that about it?
Restless leggo my syndrome!
And with that, I yield back the balance of my time.
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I don't have RLS. I just saw an ad on teevee for Mirapex.
Sinfonian
don't you want to have more sex and gamble? see if the doctor can give it to you...or maybe intense blogwhoring will do it
Which do you suppose is worse: having Restless Leg Syndrome, or taking medication for it that may lead to increased gambling or sexual urges?
You can just bet you'd end up with a foot fetish.
Bloggers= restless ego syndrome
I don't have RLS. I just saw an ad on teevee for Mirapex.
Sinfonian, with new job
Great... now they'll be dropping THAT into the girl's drink instead of the date rape drug...
Which do you suppose is worse: having Restless Leg Syndrome, or taking medication for it that may lead to increased gambling or sexual urges? - Sinfonian
Well, are you feeling lucky?
increased gambling and sexual urges are bad?
they should charge more for that.
Increased sexual urges can be dealt with.
camelot
Come sit by me.
International terrorism is really happening. No Democrat has ever denied that fact.
And no Democratic politician has gone on record to "surrender" to this non-important-enough-to-Constitutionally-declare-
war-on enemy either, as far as I've seen.
I only the night's thousand eyes would stop looking at me.
But everything you do is magic!
Come sit by me.
Sinfonian, with new job
Easy, big boy. Remember your bad back.
Yawn...
Congress authorized fore on A.Q..
Put down the bong.
Oh, nice, they're gonna die anyway, so they'd might as well die in the service of chimpy's ego?
Is that about it?
fourlegsgood, gots torch du U? | Homepage | 10.20.07 - 1:03 am | #
Yeah, my response:
Your point number three is probably the single most outrageous fuck-you I have ever seen anyone deliver to our military...
Your point number three is probably the single most outrageous fuck-you I have ever seen anyone deliver to our military.
A rightard posted this in the comments over at my blog when I suggested bringing the troops home would reduce casualties. What do you think?
The US military loses over 1,000 men and women per year (average)...DURING PEACETIME... so bringing them home only changes the cause of death and their location when it happens.
Stoopit, it burns. You don't go and compare the overall death rates in peace years with one front in the war, say. You compare overall death rates now to those in peace years.
I don't have RLS. I just saw an ad on teevee for Mirapex.
We've secretly replaced Sinfonian's usual psychosomatic symptoms with Folger's meth crystals. Let's watch by hidden camera!
TAILS!!
http://plush-life.blogspot.com/
WTF, no rightwinger should ever fall into the position of arguing casualties.
Dumbass.
Easy, big boy. Remember your bad back. camelot
Isn't Comalot the combination ED/sleeping aid?
"You don't go and compare the overall death rates in peace years with one front in the war, say. "
ah. Rational thought.
it has a liberal bias.
Yawn...
Congress authorized fore on A.Q..
Put down the bong.
Troll haiku.
you guys are so sexually frustrated.
sad.
And why hasn't our "War Czar" fucking taken care of bidness in Iraqand Afghanistan?! He's *so* fired, once we find out who he is.
Stoopit, it burns. You don't go and compare the overall death rates in peace years with one front in the war, say. You compare overall death rates now to those in peace years.
But that would be, like, sensible and logical.
Wingnuts don't do logic.
We thought it would be funny to catch Sinfonian in the act of being himself.
Easy, big boy. Remember your bad back.
camelot
I'm feeling much better now.
woops. Double one and left one off.
They are gonna die anyway so fuck 'em.
You, sir, are an asshole.
Thers, what does your liberal ethics consist of?
I need a laugh.
Should I be surprised that ether is putting me to sleep?
Good night, bats. Have a happy weekend.
Come sit by me.
Sinfonian, with new job | Homepage | 10.20.07 - 1:05 am | #
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You have a bad back.
NO FLIRTING !!!
I'm the other ether.
"Should I be surprised that ether is putting me to sleep?"
No. Low quality troll.
I'll be 63 next month. If you really are old enough to be my mom, my hat's off to you.
bo |
HA!!! no, dear, I'm 62, so there ya go. You have all my sympathiues re: our physical infirmities.
Night Echidne
"TAILS!!"
There is something very unnatural about Maddie's tail. She has extentions doesn't she. Fess up.
LOL
I'm retired.
I be an asshat.
Should I be surprised that ether is putting me to sleep?
I'm not. You're a cheap date.
It seems like ether would fit better at huffpo.
Uncle blodge are you that teacher they're looking for in Singapore?
You have a diddler's screen name.
Sarah Deere's 62? So's "Blondie" Debbie Harry.
I'm 42 in three weeks.
So I'd better get some beauty sleep, then ...
G'night, folks. Catch you patriotz laterz.
"I'm 62, so there ya go."
at 47 I feel young.
Except for the arthritis
There is something very unnatural about Maddie's tail.
Caesar's tail is now a full foot in length!
Nah i dont like trolling anymore
I was stayin at the news blog...
Then i quit.
There is something very unnatural about Maddie's tail. She has extentions doesn't she. Fess up.
I blame the Purina One Healthy Kitten kitteh food.
The tail is the damnedest thing I've evah seen. Steve Simels insists that it's a clip-on.
ether is the Rogelio Moret of trolls.
Goodnight, Your Snakefullness. Have fun at the hedge fund merger rites.
Sorry, i'm not nuanced enough for your douchesque insult... and to lazy to google.
try again.
"ether is the Rogelio Moret of trolls."
meaning what exactly?
While no one has been noticing, more US and Coalition troops have died so far in 2007 in Afghanistan than died in all of 2006.
192 so far in 2007
191 in all of 2006
Wow even the other libs arent as nuanced as you.. you must eat a lot of cukin cheese. Props.
You're a cheap date.
I can be had for a song, but I'm not saying which one.
Sarah,
just thought of one of my most favorite places in Oregon. Ever been to the Panorama Point park in the Hood River Valley?
Jeffco :It's raining men?
Except for the arthritis
Uncle Blodge, Urban Teacher |
UncleB, it's "arthur-itis".
'night, Snake Goddess.
Wheres backslider?
I'll be 63 next month. If you really are old enough to be my mom, my hat's off to you.
bo
HA!!! no, dear, I'm 62, so there ya go. You have all my sympathiues re: our physical infirmities.
Sarah Deere
I'll be 44 come January.
I'm old enough to be your love child!
Does he still come here...
He tried to challenge me to meet for fight once..
LMAO
Back when i was effective.
ether is the Rogelio Moret of trolls
Pfft - Thers is the Morey Amsterdam of writing.
Except for the arthritis - Uncle Blodge
Osteo or Rheumatiod?
If a, then your mantra is "use it or lose it".
Sarah Deere | Homepage | 10.20.07 - 1:18 am | #
damn who put the Tabasco in your grits?
"ether is the Rogelio Moret of trolls."
meaning what exactly?
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Meaning that ether is analogous to the promising, but ultimately not very effective Boston Red Sox pitcher from 1973 by the name of Roger (Rogelio) Moret.
http://touchingallthebases.blogs...elio-
moret.html
Has Atrios said who he's gonna support?
It's raining men?
That's odd, it's dry as a bone here.
The point and fault is to not debate statistics with these reich-wingers. He operates under the delusion that Iraq is no less dangerous than Yuma Arizona.
He might as well preban me now... the election is soon enough.
"If a, then your mantra is "use it or lose it"."
A. and i do try. I walk a lot - that helps.
I'm old enough to be your love child! - Uncle Smokes
If you've got my ears, you've got my condolences as well. However, my virginity didn't escape me until I was 23.
Jesus, did I say that out loud?
Honestly, i'm a pretty damn good troll and I wouldn't dare go defend casualty numbers or the surge...
Dude's retarded.
...yawn.
The DEA's death toll increased by 1 this week
"ether is analogous to the promising, but ultimately not very effective Boston Red Sox pitcher from 1973 by the name of Roger (Rogelio) Moret."
Ether was promising?
this is what I wanted to know - cause this troll is dull as dirt.
"
I'm old enough to be your love child!
Uncle Smokes "
I presume that you specialize in thin ice.
As my wife would say.
My 'hood is on the edge of gentrification. I am SO pissed. Those of us who came here 10 yrs ago fought back the drug dealers, the gangs, the prostitutes etc etc, and now these rich white fuckers want to come in here and build McMansions ("travertine tile!!! granite countertops!!! hardwood floors!!! [probably a micro-inch worth of "wood"] that sell for $350K. I despise these fucking people. I did not want to live in a white 'hood - I love the mix of black, white, hispanic, etc. I hate the fucking joggers and the people walking their AKC breed dogs and their goddamn expensive bicycles, and pushing their babies around in equally expensive strollers. Fuck them all.
I was here years before you douche...
Uncle Singapore, the didlin do-nothing teacher.
Those who can't...
Jesus, did I say that out loud?
bo
Same age for me, too--I won't tell if you won't.
"Jesus, did I say that out loud?
bo "
Well, it is on the Internet(s) now.
However, my virginity didn't escape me until I was 23.
Is it possible you just lost it behind the couch?
it's calle dbeing haggard Jeffco.
You have to be 21 to get into bars so it really only took 2 years of begging for it.
Skating away-ee-ay-ee-ay...
...oh! Sarah Deere, how nice. I'm riding the same bicycle I had in 1987. My Ford "Exploder" is only 68,000 miles from "making it back from the Moon." My animals are mutts (including the cat), and my recent remodel didn't affect the outside of the house except for a coat of paint.
...whew!
Is it possible you just lost it behind the couch?
Or maybe in the back seat of that old car?
Uncle Blodge: shouldn't you be grading 7th grade papers on the magna carta?
I consider it an accomplishment I made it through Bangkok in 1977 at the age of 17 and kept my virginity.
...whew (again).
Oh, great. Lead story on WAPO is
IEDs Seen As Rising Threat in The U.S.
These people really have no fucking shame, do they?
Monkees' Head coming up on TCM in a bit.
My 'hood is on the edge of gentrification. I am SO pissed. Those of us who came here 10 yrs ago fought back the drug dealers, the gangs, the prostitutes etc etc, and now these rich white fuckers want to come in here and build McMansions ("travertine tile!!! granite countertops!!! hardwood floors!!! [probably a micro-inch worth of "wood"] that sell for $350K. I despise these fucking people. I did not want to live in a white 'hood - I love the mix of black, white, hispanic, etc. I hate the fucking joggers and the people walking their AKC breed dogs and their goddamn expensive bicycles, and pushing their babies around in equally expensive strollers. Fuck them all. - Sarah Deere
If I win the lottery, I'm gonna build a developement named Proletarian Acres.
OMG
Lmao fourlegs.
See who needs to denfed the surge when we can run stories like that...
I love politics.
"Caesar's tail is now a full foot in length!
Darryl Pearce "
But is it a foot wide and getting it's own zip code?
IEDs Seen As Rising Threat in The U.S
...like the one Timothy McVeigh "improvised" ?
Monkees' Head coming up on TCM in a bit.
JeffCO
I am sated on that time period--just finished watching Peter Cook & Dudley Moore in Bedazzled for the umpteenth time.
Julie Andrews! *snap*
Skating away-ee-ay-ee-ay...
on the thin ice of a new day-hay-hay-hay
Is it possible you just lost it behind the couch? - JeffCO
Friend's living room floor.
Who is Atris supporting... has he said?
IEDs Seen As Rising Threat in The U.S.
The real threats are the contraceptive sponges.
"Friend's living room floor."
car down the street from her house
I'm really neurotic about this. I need to know what Atrios thinks. Tell me, or I'll start calling him Duncan.
For sure
J'accuse!
J'accuse!!
...merde.
Don't make fall into being erotic about this.
It ain't pretty.
IEDs Seen As Rising Threat in The U.S.
If they'd just start making Pintos again, we wouldn't need IEDs.
Toonscribe... now that's an onion article if i've ever seen one.
But is it a foot wide and getting it's own zip code?
Maddie's tail has it's own bowl at feeding time.
If I win the lottery, I'm gonna build a developement named Proletarian Acres.
It could be a TV sitcom with Zsa Zsa Gabor in blackface.
Pintos: The Freshmaker!
How do you guys like my idiotic streak?
"It could be a TV sitcom with Zsa Zsa Gabor in blackface."
that's scary.
Oh, this isn't a streak...
I'm on fire!
Anyone seen this from Loewen? Sundown towns?
Do not mix Pintos in Diet Pepsi.
Neeto, Thers ! One of my fave GBV songs.
I have a broken foot and proxies...
We can be forends if you want...
LOL.
"It could be a TV sitcom with Zsa Zsa Gabor in blackface."
that's scary. - Uncle Blodge
That's crazy enough it just might work.
It was Zsa Zsa's sister Eva who was in Green Acres.
Arnold Ziffel has been looking for a project.
Friday Nudibranch Blogging.
Try not to trample each other...there's more than enough room for all.
It was Zsa Zsa's sister Eva who was in Green Acres.
Zsa Zsa did guest star on "Gilligan's Island".
Sarah Deere, I hear you girl.
Welp... nice talking to you libs...
See you closer to election time.
Then it's war!
Arnold Ziffel has been looking for a project.
He's just another ham actor.
"Maddie's tail has it's own bowl at feeding time.
fourlegsgood,"
Your household has just become a very scary place.
He's just another ham actor.
As you sow...
Friday Nudibranch Blogging.
Oh, thank GAWD!!
I knew there was a reason I was waiting up. Since I have to photograph something in the morning, I'll have to read Hope Blogging tomorrow.
Anyone seen this from Loewen? Sundown towns?
dew, omnischievous grin | 10.20.07 - 1:34 am | #
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I just looked at it and clicked on Maine. It seems to be supported by no research. Looks really insipid and amateurish.
He's just another ham actor.
His best work was left on the cutting room floor.
Lousy butcher.
"Then it's war!
ether "
Yeah. Maybe. I am just wondering if the Republicans are about to bulldozed over in their trenches.
"Anyone seen this from Loewen? Sundown towns?"
no - but I'm going to look into it. One of the towns is quite near me.
Oh, I'm a good ol' liberal, Now that's just what I am;
For this "fair land of Freedom" I do so care a damn.
I'm sad I fight against it--I only wish we'd won.
Still I don't want no pardon For anything I've done.
I loves the Constitution, This great Republic too;
I hates the jingo patriot, who tells me what to do.
I hates the media zombies, With all their brag and fuss;
But the lyin', thievin' neo-cons I hates' em wuss and wuss.
We got one-and-forty-thousand troops fightin' in foreign dust.
They break and bleed and die for a war that isn't just...
I marched with all the millions to bring the landgrab to a stop
But the profiteering toadies got their contracts--good-n-hot!
So now they take my ballot? Yet I fight' em now still mo',
And I ain't a-goin'to love' em, Now that is sartin sho';
And I don't want no pardon For what I was and am;
And I won't sit down, be quiet, 'Cuz I still do give a damn.
Phila, I think that lil guy(?) was mugging for the camera.
Sundown towns
You better take care if they find you've been creeping round their back stairs.
Friday Nudibranch Blogging.
Try not to trample each other...there's more than enough room for all. - Phila
And there is Hope, too. I envy you your radar for the positive, sir.
Awright..., with that little diddie I must away to the embrace of old Morpheus.
Morpheus is good in bed.
Dope smoking FM types ....
Doug Watts,
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Loewen
I've read his stuff.
Researcher, he is.
I don't know what to think of this new stuff...just checking it out.
Anyone seen this from Loewen? Sundown towns?
dew, omnischievous grin | 10.20.07 - 1:34 am | #
why, fer christ's sweet sake, do we still refer to fucking as "sleeping together". Hell, if sleeping were all people were doing, no one would have any stories to tell, now, would they? "Sleeping", my Aunt Susie.....
Nice Darryl,
Did you channel the spirit of Phil Ochs?
Youtube has the "21 Jump Street" pilot and it's so bad it's good.
No, bo.
I just rewrote "An Unreconstructed Rebel" (post Civil-War song).
And I won't sit down, be quiet, 'Cuz I still do give a damn.
Darryl Pearce |
DP, blessings on your sweet head, and g'night, sweet dreams.
Okay, I'm dense. What the hell does he mean by "Sundown Towns"? Thought this was going to be about Alzheimer Acre Villages.
I don't know what to think of this new stuff...just checking it out.
dew, omnischievous grin | 10.20.07 - 1:43 am | #
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I think his project is excellent. But without scrupulous scholarly attention to primary historical documents, the project is worse than useless. Any and every poorly cited instance of bigotry casts doubt on all the fully documented ones.
Ok, goodnight you princes and princesses of liberalism.
You know, there's few things more embarassing than having someone actually fall asleep while you're sleeping with them.
[X]
Sarah Deere |
Homepage |
10.20.07 - 1:44 am | #
Anyone seen this from Loewen? Sundown towns?
dew, omnischievous grin | 10.20.07 - 1:34 am | #
why, fer christ's sweet sake, do we still refer to fucking as "sleeping
together". Hell, if sleeping were all people were doing, no one would
have any stories to tell, now, would they? "Sleeping", my Aunt
Susie.....
No offense....What does the above mean?
(I'm a dropout)
sundown downs = if you are black and you are here after sundown you are going to be killed or injured.
You better take care if they find you've been creeping round their back stairs.
JeffCO |
every now and then I think I need to drag out my Lightfoot albums. May do that this weekend...
Orcinus is always a good place for information about things such as "sundown towns."
Doug Watts... if your a Californian and successful and white, yer still chased out of town in some counties of the south.
Hell, I've got a cousin who's lived in Alabama for ten years and people still say, "You're not from around here, are ya?"
every now and then I think I need to drag out my Lightfoot albums. May do that this weekend... - Sarah Deere
I'm hearin' Early Morning Rain.
Did you see my question upthread about Hood River?
The KKK was very widespread in Maine during the 1920s. Not about black people, there weren't any in Maine. But about Catholics, ie. French and Irish people, who were the "n*ggers" of Maine from 1850 to 1980.
"I'm hearin' Early Morning Rain."
Carefree highway
...oh, yeah. As a person with hillbilly trailer-trash heritage, I got comin' and a-goin'.
Did you see my question upthread about Hood River?
bo | 10.20.07 - 1:51 am | #
no, repeat?
Doug Watts... if your a Californian and successful and white, yer still chased out of town in some counties of the south.
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Which counties ? And who is doing the chasing ?
Phil Ochs.
Hmm, might be time for me to go watch "Bound for Glory" again.
That..., or maybe my new copy of "Robinson Crusoe on Mars."
...didn't I write I was going to bed?
The KKK was very widespread in Maine during the 1920s. Not about black people, there weren't any in Maine. But about Catholics, ie. French and Irish people, who were the "n*ggers" of Maine from 1850 to 1980.
Doug Watts | Homepage | 10.20.07 - 1:51 am | #
I worked with a guy who was 1/2 black and was from Maine. He had a gig of Rush Limbaugh MP3s on his hard drive. Brother signed up for duty in Iraq. Nice guy, but red red red.
Which counties ? And who is doing the chasing ?
...any county with only five family names in it.
[ ducks and runs ]
Which counties ? And who is doing the chasing ?
Doug Watts
you'll find out when you get there.
He had a gag of Rush Limbaugh MP3s on his hard drive.
...put tobasco in yer ding-dong.
Which counties ? And who is doing the chasing ?
Doug Watts | Homepage | 10.20.07 - 1:53 am | #
"Sheriff - them thars strangers in town! I kin tell he some Hollywood liberal type - ain't even got a Skoal can on 'im!"
or maybe my new copy of "Robinson Crusoe on Mars."
...
Darryl Pearce
Watched that a couple of weeks ago. Criterion did a good job on it--good image quality.
going to go sleep
later
Which counties ? And who is doing the chasing ?
The one with the "mothman."
Or the one with the "cornfield."
Or the one written about by Steven King..., Wm Faulkner ...Flannery O'Conner
Any one with a monster alligator in it.
...or dueling banjos.
...or Cletus, or Daisy.
http://www.uvm.edu/~jloewen/
sund...undowntowns.php
I worked with a guy who was 1/2 black and was from Maine. He had a gig of Rush Limbaugh MP3s on his hard drive. Brother signed up for duty in Iraq. Nice guy, but red red red.
Gilly Gonzylon | 10.20.07 - 1:54 am | #
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A lot of Native Americans hate themselves and ridicule their family, tribe and entire culture. That was the idea from day one. Destroy the culture from within. Make black people hate themselves. Make people hate their native language. Make brown people hate themselves and wish to be accepted by white people. And once they have destroyed their own cultural connections, then white people say, get the fuck outta here you nigger, you can't ever be like us.
It's a trap. People have to embrace their culture and their history and be proud of it.
See Rendition
There have been a lot of great movies out this year but this one is head and shoulders above all of them.
Sarah Deere
Been to Panorama Point (or Overlook) above Hood River?
Rendition is fracking amazing.
"I was in Nashville, Tennesee last year, after the show I went to a Waffle House, I'm not proud of it, I was hungry. And I'm alone, I'm eating and I'm reading a book, right? Waitress walks over to me, 'Hey, what you readin' for?'
"Is that like the weirdest fucking question you've ever heard? Not what am I reading, but what am I reading for. Well, godammit, you stumped me. Why do I read? Well...hmmm...I guess I read for a lot of reasons, and the main one, is so I don't end up, being a fucking waffle waitress.
"But then...this trucker in the next booth gets up, stands over me, and goes, 'Well, looks like we got ourselves a reader.' What the fuck's going on here? It's not like I walked into a clan rally in a Boy George outfit, godammit, it's a book!'"
-- Bill Hicks
Destroy the culture from within.
"Savages, who must either be assimilated, or exterminated."
The official gummint policy from since Jamestown.
"Friday, you're gonna learn English if I have to sit on your chest for two months."
-- Draper (Paul Mantee), Robinson Crusoe On Mars
It just takes a lot of balls to sail over the horizon on some flimsy ships, and wherever you happen to hit beach, you declare ownership.
Doug Watts... if your a Californian and successful and white, yer still chased out of town in some counties of the south.
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Which counties ? And who is doing the chasing ? - Doug Watts
Someone related me a similar story about Kansas. They had friends whose wife inherited a rather impressive house in a small town, but there was some necessity that they buy it. They moved in an got cold shouldered and rations of shit from the telco and electrical utility until some nosey sumbitch asked them who they thought they were, buying that house, and the wife explained her realtionship to the previous owner. All of a sudden everyone was nice as pie. After about a year, they told the townsfolk "Fuck You" sold the house and left.
It just takes a lot of balls to sail over the horizon on some flimsy ships, and wherever you happen to hit beach, you declare ownership.
I, for one, welcome our new Inquisitorial, Catholic overlords.
"We stole countries! That's how you build an empire. We stole countries with the cunning use of flags! Just sail halfway around the world, stick a flag in.
"'I claim India for Britain!'
"And they're going, 'You can't claim us. We live here! There's five hundred million of us.'
"'Do you have a flag?'
"'We don't need a bloody flag, this is our country, you bastard!'
"'No flag, no country! You can't have one."
-- Eddie Izzard
...dammit! I just remembered my response I wanted to say to the conspiriatorially minded trolls amongst us.
"Yeah? If they're so all powerful, why don't they just give you a whole shitload of money so you won't care about it?"
Sarah?? Still here?
I loves me some eddie "cross dressing doesn't mean homosexual" izzard.
...and with that. Good night!
I loves me some eddie "cross dressing doesn't mean homosexual" izzard.
Darryl Pearce
That would be "male tomboy," running, jumping, climbing trees, putting on make-up when you get up there....
Good night, Darryl.
I, too should be on my way.
Y'all take care of your good selves, and don't take any blankets from the pale guys in the boats.
That would be "male tomboy," running, jumping, climbing trees, putting on make-up when you get up there....
Uncle Smokes | Homepage | 10.20.07 - 2:13 am | #
Squirrel: What? Fuck off!
rorsch! 
How's cheese?
Howdy, bo.
Cheese be good.
I've had a grand evening. Dinner and drinks with departmental colleagues. And then I wandered on down to the working class bar near our house and hung out with my buddies there.
I'm unnervingly happy.
Roll away some due, y'all! ~ ifthethunderdontgetya™³²®©
Speak to me of this. My PC is video-impaired.
I'm unnervingly happy. - rorschach
I salute your good fortune.
Thank ya, bo.
How's by you?
I'm unnervingly happy.
Sounds bueno.
25 Visitors Online
So, the real score looks like 3 awake and 22 passed out at their keyboard or on the bathroom floor.
Tis bueno, dew. I'm not of the nature to trust happiness, but this town, this job, this situation, this family? Damn, I may have to actually relax, at least on the personal front.
I heard Mitt Romney on cspan say the great thing about the US is that when we have fought a war we never conquer lands. We didn't keep Germany or Japan. We fight wars for freedom. Tell it to the Puerto Ricans, the Filipinos. Explain our military bases in Japan and Germany. The man is an imbicile. What about the war Thoreau opposed?
Don't know how to spell it 'xactly, but let's say "ittzy-kittzy".
Finally, fully, and gloriously divorced, but filled with tripidation by rapidly oncomming decrepitude.
Hell...I'll just look at Maggie in Stranger Than Fiction for a bit and go to bed. I have zero to offer. Hasta.
I heard Mitt Romney on cspan say the great thing about the US is that when we have fought a war we never conquer lands.
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Tell that to all the Native Americans, including the Mashpee Wampanoag of Massachusetts, pour example.
I heard Mitt Romney on cspan say the great thing about the US is that when we have fought a war we never conquer lands. We didn't keep Germany or Japan. We fight wars for freedom. Tell it to the Puerto Ricans, the Filipinos. Explain our military bases in Japan and Germany. The man is an imbicile. What about the war Thoreau opposed?
spinoza, non ridere, non luger | 10.20.07 - 2:25 am | #
Yeah, tell it to the Indians.
trepidation - danm finners.
I owe Doug Watts a drink.
Yeah, tell it to the Indians.
Well, he is a mormon.
Best joke in New England. Native American person goes up to some politician and announces him or herself ...
Politician says:
"You're still alive ?"
I have heard this many times.
rorschach
all good....
or all goodness....
Hey rorschach! You still here?
I'm DYING TO know how your BSG analysis class went.
rorschach, meh | Homepage | 10.20.07 - 2:28 am | #
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Dood.
Natty Ice all around.
Mitt Romney's health policy is also known as the 'Massachussetts miracle'.
Well, he is a mormon.
spinoza, non ridere, non luger | 10.20.07 - 2:29 am | #
Interesting and weird fact: one of the better Native American lit scholars I've met is Mormon. It makes her project seem rather weird, whatever it is she might say.
Hey rorschach! You still here?
I'm DYING TO know how your BSG analysis class went.
Spocko | Homepage | 10.20.07 - 2:30 am | #
Largely deer-in-headlights.
Then there were those who were offended at the overt sexuality.
Curiously, one student proffered the notion that the images of gender presented by the show were absolutely reactionary. (I never saw that one coming, but it was an interesting proposal.)
Hey liberals, the casualty rate in Iraq keeps going down down down!
While the non-combat death has doubled! Coincidence?
Best joke in New England. Native American person goes up to some politician and announces him or herself ...
Politician says:
"You're still alive ?"
I have heard this many times. -Doug Watts
On the West Coast, I think I've read, heard on radio, seen on TV, at least five stories in the last ten years of the passing of the last fluent speaker of one or another Native American dialect or the loss af a major historical link. Worst story was from the Warm Springs Reservation where someone broke into a Community building and trashed a computer that had the only copies of oral histories and language recordings.
What about the Bionic Woman? Is that a reactionary portrayal of gender.
I heard Mitt Romney on cspan say the great thing about the US is that when we have fought a war we never conquer lands.
The Iraqis are welcome to keep their sand. It's the oil the Bush junta is after.
I heard Mitt Romney on cspan say the great thing about the US is that when we have fought a war we never conquer lands.
The Iraqis are welcome to keep their sand. It's the oil the Bush junta is after. - George Johnston
War: Mineral Rites
Hello,
Is this thing on???
Testing.
Testing, 1, 2, 3.
Testing.
Testicle?
jesus, tough crowd tonight.
Romney's a faggot.
Worst story was from the Warm Springs Reservation where someone broke into a Community building and trashed a computer that had the only copies of oral histories and language recordings.
bo | 10.20.07 - 2:35 am | #
I'd be interested to hear about that specific story.
But yes, there was a study recently about the number of languages going extinct. Many Native American languages and a LOT of aboriginal Australian languages are on the verge of vanishing.
Speak to me of this. My PC is video-impaired.
bo | 10.20.07 - 2:20 am | #
My youtubes. Let me show you them.
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Worst story was from the Warm Springs Reservation where someone broke into a Community building and trashed a computer that had the only copies of oral histories and language recordings.
bo | 10.20.07 - 2:35 am | #
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If they are oral histories, they can't be trashed by breaking a computer hard drive. In Massachusetts and Maine, tribes will not let whites be near certain ceremonies and events. The best way to protect a tradition is to let white people think it has already been destroyed.
There's tons of indian languages alive and well in South america.
My youtubes. Let me show you them. ~ ifthethunderdontgetya™³²®©
Cold, man, cold.
In Massachusetts and Maine, tribes will not let whites be near certain ceremonies and events. The best way to protect a tradition is to let white people think it has already been destroyed.
Doug Watts | Homepage | 10.20.07 - 2:45 am | #
The same is true in pueblo communities in NM and AZ. But yet, if the youth don't give a shit, the language dies with the last generation. It's happened before, and it's happening now.
Aztecs never went extinct.
Rorsch,
Don't know that I can find the Warm Springs incident on the Internet. happened in the early-mid 90's, I think.
The aztec languages are tied to many of the tribes in the west.
Barry Dana, who is a Penobscot Indian and recent Chief, is doing a lot of work to restore the Penobscot language. He lives up the Kennebec River from me, about 40 miles, in Solon. Barry rawks. He is an incredibly inspiring guy.
We got more documentation on n. american indians than you would ever want.
Ojibwe in Canada. Alive well and thriving.
I have a question, is there a significant differnce between Hillary and Bush...this is serious, not just f...in around. If someone can highlight a differnce I would really like to know since she will most certainly be the front runner for dems, and I need a reason to vote for her.
Aztecs never went extinct.
But we're working on that.
Many of the tribes are doing quite well operating casinos.
I am an infinite well of stupidity. Please ignore me.
bo,
cool. I'll look into the Warm Springs things myself. Sounds interesting.
Barry Dana, who is a Penobscot Indian and recent Chief, is doing a lot of work to restore the Penobscot language. He lives up the Kennebec River from me, about 40 miles, in Solon. Barry rawks. He is an incredibly inspiring guy.
Doug Watts | Homepage | 10.20.07 - 2:48 am | #
Damn, he does sound really fucking cool.
The same is true in pueblo communities in NM and AZ. But yet, if the youth don't give a shit, the language dies with the last generation. It's happened before, and it's happening now.
rorschach, meh | Homepage | 10.20.07 - 2:47 am | #
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Exactly. It's no different than the loss of French in Augusta, Maine where I live. The grandparents speak fluent French, no English. Kids speak both. Their kids, english with a little french. Their kids, no French. Takes about 3 generations for the language to die out. I watch this all the time.
I sleep with decomposing armadillos and sodomize possums.
The french language is going extinct?
Most indian languages aren't worth keeping.
Most indian languages aren't worth keeping.
lick | 10.20.07 - 2:52 am | #
Oh-ho, pesalo.
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Exactly. It's no different than the loss of French in Augusta, Maine where I live. The grandparents speak fluent French, no English. Kids speak both. Their kids, english with a little french. Their kids, no French. Takes about 3 generations for the language to die out. I watch this all the time.
Doug Watts | Homepage | 10.20.07 - 2:50 am | #
Well, it is rather different, in that French exists elsewhere--in France.
If a Native American language is lost, it is lost, and the culture it carries also is lost, and forever.
Thats Sioux for go fuck yourself
Most indian languages aren't worth keeping.
lick | 10.20.07 - 2:52 am | #
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That's becuz you're an Aquanniwammissoo.
Most of the mother tongues are sufficiently preserved.
Tarheel,
She's infinitely less certifiable than any of the Republican candidates. That said, she ain't the Democratic candidate yet.
lick's comments might possibly be upsetting, were they not so ludicrous.
She's infinitely less certifiable than any of the Republican candidates. That said, she ain't the Democratic candidate yet.
bo | 10.20.07 - 2:55 am | #
I hate circles....
There are peoples on this earth you can visit that live exactly like men did in the Stone Age.
Well, it is rather different, in that French exists elsewhere--in France.
If a Native American language is lost, it is lost, and the culture it carries also is lost, and forever.
rorschach, meh | Homepage | 10.20.07 - 2:53 am | #
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I agree. My point is that the process is the same. My brother and I have done quite a bit of work to recover original place names in Massachusetts and Maine from 1600s deeds and records. It's not saving the language but it's saving words of it. We're doing what we can do.
There are peoples on this earth you can visit that live exactly like men did in the Stone Age.
lick | 10.20.07 - 2:57 am | #
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When can I visit you ? I will honor the Prime Directive.
Most original place names remain in place.
I agree. My point is that the process is the same. My brother and I have done quite a bit of work to recover original place names in Massachusetts and Maine from 1600s deeds and records. It's not saving the language but it's saving words of it. We're doing what we can do.
Doug Watts | Homepage | 10.20.07 - 2:57 am | #
I applaud your work and that of your brother.
It is well worth doing; every language contains a world, and to salvage one is to perform tremendously valuable labor.
Well, it is rather different, in that French exists elsewhere--in France.
If a Native American language is lost, it is lost, and the culture it carries also is lost, and forever.
rorschach, meh | Homepage | 10.20.07 - 2:53 am | #
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I agree. My point is that the process is the same. My brother and I have done quite a bit of work to recover original place names in Massachusetts and Maine from 1600s deeds and records. It's not saving the language but it's saving words of it. We're doing what we can do.
Doug Watts | Homepage | 10.20.07 - 2:57 am | #
I swear, this better not get too esoteric. I hear the tower of Babel on the horizon, and Pinker and Chomsky want a say. Sorry to but in
I'd like to have a map of all american places originally named by the indians.
I swear, this better not get too esoteric.
It better had!
It hasn't been established that every language contains a world, although that could very well be the case.
I'd like to have a map of American places originally named by the indians.
I'd like to be able to shit Cadbury Easter eggs.
I want big tits. And a face like the Blue Meanie.
The north american indians had huge corn fields. Fields that rival the ones we see today. They weren't just backyard gardens of maize.
rorsch,
Not just the Indians. The ex is from Pampanga, in the Philippines. There were about 1 million speakers of Kapampangan 20 years ago. Her daughter can speak some of it, the son can understand some it and our daughter, even less. It had a strong literary and dramatic tradition up through the 50's. My father-in-law wrote plays in the language as a young man, but it's just not carrying over here, and in the ROP all the descrete languages are becoming more polyglot, with large infusions of Pilipino (Officalized Tagolog) and English.
Rorschach, maybe I'm showin my age here, but do you ever get tired of being right? And thinking I told you so? Like a goddamn seer from times afor? Where is the credit...call them like you see them? Who ever pays attention to dire warnings or good advice?
The north american indians had huge corn holes
Frenched your twat.
I must now commit ritual seppuku.
Why am I getting this "The brady Bunch Does Firesign Theater" vibe?
Not just the Indians. The ex is from Pampanga, in the Philippines. There were about 1 million speakers of Kapampangan 20 years ago. Her daughter can speak some of it, the son can understand some it and our daughter, even less. It had a strong literary and dramatic tradition up through the 50's. My father-in-law wrote plays in the language as a young man, but it's just not carrying over here, and in the ROP all the descrete languages are becoming more polyglot, with large infusions of Pilipino (Officalized Tagolog) and English.
bo | 10.20.07 - 3:07 am | #
Here's the problem, to me: The dilemma of linguistic evolution versus enforced eradication. It's a complicated mess of power relations and can be hard to decipher... Sometimes, I just don't know how to approach the issue.
Rorschach, maybe I'm showin my age here, but do you ever get tired of being right? And thinking I told you so? Like a goddamn seer from times afor? Where is the credit...call them like you see them? Who ever pays attention to dire warnings or good advice?
Tarheel | 10.20.07 - 3:07 am | #
I most often feel that I'm likely on some level wrong, so that helps!
Sixties chicks were teh hot.
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Check out these dudes jamming in the living room.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o...h?
v=o7OfAAFbmfg
Why am I getting this "The brady Bunch Does Firesign Theater" vibe?
Don't crush that Indian; hand me the lexicon!
Rorsch,
I sang that lament to someone who is very bright, but very self-involved. His response was essentially, "So it goes". The notion of the importance of preserving or understanding a frame out side of his own was irrelevant to him.
Here's the problem, to me: The dilemma of linguistic evolution versus enforced eradication. It's a complicated mess of power relations and can be hard to decipher... Sometimes, I just don't know how to approach the issue.
For fucks sake, you sound like Focault with all your "power relations" talk.
I most often feel that I'm likely on some level wrong, so that helps!
rorschach, meh | Homepage | 10.20.07 - 3:12 am | #
You bastard, if I wanted to listen to a monk i'd read some Winnie the Pooh. don't give me that easy answer. I want a Ror anwer.
Rorsch,
I sang that lament to someone who is very bright, but very self-involved. His response was essentially, "So it goes". The notion of the importance of preserving or understanding a frame out side of his own was irrelevant to him.
bo | 10.20.07 - 3:16 am | #
It's all too easy to adopt that position when you just happen to be in the dominant paradigm, isn't it?
Tarheel | 10.20.07 - 3:17 am |
Dang, whatchu on?
I must now commit ritual seppuku.
Sounds like the makings of a great Associated Content article.
Dang, whatchu on?
bo | 10.20.07 - 3:19 am
Sorry, intellectuals bring out the beast! So few left...
It's all too easy to adopt that position when you just happen to be in the dominant paradigm, isn't it? - rorschach
This instance wasn't so much dominant paradigm as overbearing belief in one's personal excellence or brilliance.
It's all too easy to adopt that position when you just happen to be in the dominant paradigm, isn't it?
rorschach, meh | Homepage | 10.20.07 - 3:18 am | #
dominant pachyderm
Rorschach, maybe I'm showin my age here, but do you ever get tired of being right? And thinking I told you so? Like a goddamn seer from times afor? Where is the credit...call them like you see them? Who ever pays attention to dire warnings or good advice?
Tarheel | 10.20.07 - 3:07 am | #
Okay, then, I'll take another run at it and try not to be Foucauldian or Zen.
Yes, I get bloody motherfucking tired of being right. I am not now nor have I ever been in the mood for a Cassandra complex.
Every single goddamn buggering time I see bad things happen that a moron could have seen three months in advance of my notice, it pains me. Every single motherfucking death that makes no sense, every single motherfucking step this administration takes to fuck over its working class, its minorities, its LGBTQs, pisses me right the fuck off.
And yet I remain committed to the dictum that I should remain a pessimist of the intellect and an optimist of the will.
How's that?
You can quote me on it.
Is Monkees' Head a remake of El Topo?
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Sounds like the makings of a great Associated Content article.
Only because annieangel's thighs are wrapped around your head.
I'd like to be able to shit Cadbury Easter eggs.
suck
Where's "blow" tobes, you ignorant twatwaffle?
Language is not some unique preserve for culture. Our sample of complete languages is sufficient to know they all strike the same universal signs and themes. You're not going to resurrect a dead culture through it's language alone. These were oral languages and had a completely different function.
The bona fide intellectuals are hard to come by, Tarheel. The best most of us do is mar our deliberative mediocrity with occasional flashes of insight.
Wow... that fucking felt good to hear....wow....wow...man I got goose bumps.
Is Monkees' Head a remake of El Topo?
No.
Glad that my venting could be of service, Tarheel.
I'm both an intellectual and a righteously pissed off motherfucker, and I welcome the opportunity to express both facets together.
Wow... that fucking felt good to hear....wow....wow...man I got goose bumps. - Tarheel
What was it? A moose fart?
The bona fide intellectuals are hard to come by, Tarheel. The best most of us do is mar our deliberative mediocrity with occasional flashes of insight.
bo | 10.20.07 - 3:25 am | #
Yeah, it's unfortunate that all you and Ror's words will fall on deaf ears.
And those occasional flashes come by far too frequently, it's just the majority of us lunkheads(Calvin and Hobbes) never give them some proper respect.
Tarheel,
Don't trash your own intellect. We are all obligied to puzzle out life for ourselves. I've gotten to know a couple of mentally disabled adults, who both amaze me with their observations about the world. Neither of them can qualify for a driver's license, but they are much better souls and more insightful than many "smart" people I've met.
Off in search of Morpheus. G'Night.
G'night, bo.
I'm once again watching V for Vendetta. This movie is mesmerizing to me. And the fact that the ultimate oppressor is played by the same actor as the ultimate victim in 1984 is simply astounding.
"V" just elucidated all of it, even they guy who say the oppurtunity in attacking his own country. I think I'm going to be sick...
I'm once again watching V for Vendetta. This movie is mesmerizing to me.
I kinda liked it, myself
Although I wasn't aware of the 1984 connection . . .
[yawn, stretch]
I'll know something's wrong when the counter says "0 Visitors Online." I assume that right now the 2 visitors are me and Atrios' server.
I think it doesn't go below two so we don't get lonely and discouraged.
Good morning, Moe.
Hi V. Up early cuz work's banging around my head. Of course I'm not, ya know, working on it.
The banging is the hard part, no?
Whatcha not working on?
It's an interesting project-- comparing air travel and rail travel between Halifax and Toronto. There are lots of different angles to it-- environmental effects under the current arrangements (old locomotives running on shitty tracks that have to swing all the way around Maine) versus what's possible, if the system was built right. And, I have to represent it all in a graphic.
What are you doing up so early?
Wow, eight visitors is the lowest that I've ever seen. Morning V and moe.
The graphic sounds like a challenge!
We're going camping. We're going to get wet, but we're going. The privatized reservation system was down so we couldn't get a reservation for a camp site, so we need to get there early.
However, I'm thinking there's not gonna be that much competition -- what kind of nut wants to camp in the rain?
Howdy, Hecate. I saw it at two a little while ago. I'm gonna start some coffee...
OK maybe I can sleep another hour before I have to get up. You good people enjoy your Saturday!
'morning, Hecate. When I got up there were, hypothetically, 2.
V-- where are you going camping?
Hmmm. Two guys were stabbed five minutes apart, a block apart from each other. Cops arrest two different people for the stabbings, say they are entirely unrelated.
National forest near a spring. I'd say more, but I don't want to tip off Potato Salad!!!'s "tact team" -- they're coming for me!
Heh. Or Interpol might come arrest you.
brb
Good morning, just a quick 15-min drive-by. Had you seen this?
J.K. Rowling outs Hogwarts character
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/
20071...pVuPpktzUKs0NUE
morning,all.
Camping! I especially love wood smoke, the smell of it makes me want to go sleep in a tent and see the stars clear. nice, V.
Not surprised - Dumbledore's strong attraction to Grindelwald was obvious in Deathly Hallows.
Is it Friday or Saturday?
Stephanie Miller called Tweety a "right-wing tool" on Hardball last night. Tweety was quite miffed, and then complained that Media Matters calls him that, too.
Camping! I especially love wood smoke, the smell of it makes me want to go sleep in a tent and see the stars clear. nice, V.
Ruth
Ruth, you should come to Alaska for a visit, at least. Smoke is standard fare up here.
What surprised me (if anything surprises me anymore) was that
1) she confirmed it, and didn't just let now and future readers speculate.
2) "gay" is not the answer to "did he ever find true love?"
It's pretty much Saturday out to Hawaii
at this point.
Marcellina -- that's pretty interesting, even to someone who couldn't get through a HP book.
"gay" is not the answer to "did he ever find true love?"
Don't I know it.
2) "gay" is not the answer to "did he ever find true love?"
Marcellina
Yeah, that bothered me, too.
I thought she was just running with the fan fiction.
Camping! I especially love wood smoke, the smell of it makes me want to go sleep in a tent and see the stars clear. nice, V.
Ruth
I love the first shower when we get home -- the water reconstitutes the smoke in my hair and I'm right back by the fire.
However, we're looking at the forecast and having second thoughts. Pretty disappointing -- the canoe is on the car, everything is loaded and packed.
I say we go and hide in the bathrooms if it gets too wild.
I need to learn more about Greasemonkey and killfile in case "She-who-must-not-be-named" shows up.
OK, my 15 minutes are up, and I have to work. Later, folks.
cityKid, never been to Alaska, I have a couple things left to experience. And I would love the smell of wood smoke.
WaPo editorial about Hu's invocation of democracy, but nothing is being allowed of course.
my comment:
Mouthing meaningless words truly should be deplored. How about "we don't torture"?
at http://www.washingtonpost.com/
wp...7_Comments.html
78 years ago this week, women became "persons" in Canada.
plantsman -- did you download the script? Do you see a little monkey head in the bottom right of your comments box?
Yep, the smiley simian is there - but I have no idea what to do with it.
Good morning. Speaking of true love - Patrick Fitzgerald is getting married:
Fitzgerald closes case of unmarried prosecutor
Fitzgerald's pairing with investment-banker-turned-Head-Start-teacher Jennifer Letzkus was a surprise to many who think of the hard-charging prosecutor as having little time for a personal life.
At 46, Fitzgerald is 12 years older than his fiance. Letzkus, sometimes known as "Jenni," lives near Fitzgerald in Lincoln Park.
Congrats and best wishes to the happy couple!!!
Britney ran over a paparazzo's foot in Hollywood.
cityKid, never been to Alaska, I have a couple things left to experience. And I would love the smell of wood smoke.
Ruth, hope you visit sometime. Hell, I came up for a camping trip in 1997 and now I live here. There are many kinds of smoke here: some from volcanoes, some from campfires, and then the political kind. I agree with you that the campfire kind is "the best." Now democracy in Alaska - that's a whole 'nother problem.
Plantsman -- just click it and make him smile.
The next time you reload the comments you'll see a bunch of blue text at the end of the comments. One of those will be "kill." you click the kill and magically pipi's rantings will be obscured.
(It does slow things down, especially on long threads. But in times of high troll infestation it's better on the blood pressure.)
I like the Head Start teacher part of turned from investment banker. Good find, Fitzie. Tho you should have indicted KKKarl.
Does Alaska still have that Commie Oil-Royalty check program?
I'm happy for Fitz, but sorry for the thousands of women who had high hopes for their future with him.
Does Alaska still have that Commie Oil-Royalty check program?
plantsman, plant geek
You bet PG. Check should be in the mailbox early next month. I think it's about $1600 this year.
Pretty interesting, and sure to the #1 topic of the weekend political shows here:
Why U.S. won't remove Arar from no-fly list
MINNEAPOLIS — Maher Arar's denials that he ever went to Afghanistan are contradicted by a man convicted of immigration fraud and a self-confessed mujahedeen instructor who says he spotted him there in the early 1990s, according to classified American documents seen by The Globe and Mail.
The intelligence documents are said by U.S. sources to be key to understanding Washington's argument that, even though Mr. Arar has been cleared of any wrongdoing and paid $10-million in compensation by the Canadian government, he should remain on a no-fly list and remain barred from entering U.S. territory as an alleged security threat.
Until now, the files have been accessible only to those with security clearance, and appear to be the invisible hurdle as Mr. Arar fights to clear his name in the United States.
In Minnesota, Mohamed Kamal Elzahabi, a Lebanese-born U.S. resident who once led training-camps in Afghanistan, has been jailed for three years. His case is obscure and his credibility is very much at issue. Earlier this year he was convicted of immigration fraud and still faces outstanding charges of lying to the Federal Bureau of Investigation.
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Not to mention the guys....
Every time Bush talked about Iraqis "sharing in the oil wealth" that program was all I could envision.
And Alaska may be recovering from its crime family infestation! far ahead of the states down here.
Moe, admitting they're wrong is impossible for the occupiers of the White House. Heels dug in they're going to be when they arrive in the Hague.
We have an initiative on the ballot next month that undoes some of the unforeseen consequences engendered by our Prop. 37, which opened the floodgates to rapacious subdivision development of farm, forest, and low-water lands In Oregon. The "Yes" forces are mounting a very good campaign, but big Timber interests are trying to get people to vote "No."
And Alaska may be recovering from its crime family infestation! far ahead of the states down here.
It's hard to say Ruth. 2 have been convicted so far (by the Feds) and there are 2 pending. There have been a few rumors that up to 26 more could be indicted (just a rumor). That said the oil companies are putting on a full court press to stop a special session of the AK Legislature from substantially changing how much they have to pay for the oil they take. The special session was called because the "PPT tax" passed last year was "pushed through" our Legislator by a couple of the guys that have been convicted or indicted.
Our other initiative mirrors S-CHIP, by
raising tobacco taxes to fund chilluns
health care in The State. Even if it passes, revenues are projected to fall short from the get-go -- making finding another funding source a necessity right away.
CityKid - Sounds like being on the take was about to go nuclear if the hooks got into the oil folks. Or am I looking at it wrong side out?
Poor Pete Stark and his big, intemperate mouth! Wingers were wetting themselves rushing to condemn him for his "for his amusement" remarks.
So the Values Voters Summit is being put on by Tony Perkins and the Family Research Council. Kinda dims the lustre for me.
water management badly needed - FL is getting most of the water from Atlanta, while lake Lanier is going dry. Lots of probs with Corps o engneers, who claim the endangered species act is the reason - ha.
I think you've got it right Ruth. Steven Haycox, a local historian has been arguing, correctly I think, that we are in fact a colony even though we are called a state. See his book FRIGID EMBRACE for all the chilling details.
No history of a water-conservation mentality and pay-as-you-go infrastructure creation is the real reason for the Atlanta area water crisis, but humans are bad with forethought.
We saw a bumper sticker last night:
* 1-20-09 *
My husband asked me what it meant. I told him that it's the chimp's last day.
I've got to get one of those stickers for my car!!
Diane looks this a.m. at the effort to get illeguls to report crimes against them, now committed with impunity because they are afraid to be deported (and deal in cash). Of course, the wingers scream because they're all criminals y'know. at
http://cabdrollery.blogspot.com/
Morning peeps.
Reading about the FISA bill and how Jay Rockefeller probably got hoodwinked. This is the same man who wrote a letter only to be opened in an emergency outlining the illegalities he had learned of. Apparently, the DoJ dumped millions of pages of documents this week purportedly describing what the telecoms have been doing. So far, staffers are not impressed with the information. The question remains, if the telecoms have not done anything illegal, why do they need retroactive immunity. I'm also curious about the the dates. The bill grants immunity from 9/11/01 through January of this year. What about the rumors that the operation was put in place before 9/11.
We saw a bumper sticker last night:
* 1-20-09 *
Heh, I've seen several of those. Does my heart good.
CityKid, in China the remote provinces build their own dams and even factories, they're confident the central gov't doesn't have the resources to take them on.
See, you're going places yet! with that bridge.
We're so beaten down by the weight of Shrub's malfeasance we're just trying to make it thru the end of his term.
CityKid, in China the remote provinces build their own dams and even factories, they're confident the central gov't doesn't have the resources to take them on.
See, you're going places yet! with that bridge.
Ruth
That kind of action, doing it on "our own" has been discussed here, but the powers that be won't have any part of it. Sometime ago it was proposed that the State of AK buy ARCO. If we had the State treasury would have a heck of a lot more money to spend. Like most colonies it's important to keep the elites happy and the citizens hungry else the folks stealing our resources can't get away with it.
Which of course exacerbates environmental problems in China, with so many uncoordinated entities rushing in for their slice of the development pie.
Rudy panders to the Values Voters today.
Gotta love Monbiot:
Most human differences can be overcome, but there is one unbridgeable divide. The world is split between people who play golf and people who don’t. Each faction regards the other as an alien lifeform. One is astonished that any human fails to see that life without golf is not worth living. The other watches grown men in two-tone shoes dragging a bag of sticks round Tellytubbyland, and shakes its collective head with incredulity.
I regret that I must compound the incomprehension on the other side of the golf gulf by confessing that until three weeks ago I did not know who Gary Player is. And I am sure that - with much greater reason - he had never heard of me either. But now we are tangled up in one of South Africa’s messiest controversies.
I came across him while researching the column I wrote about Burma a fortnight ago. In trying to discover which western companies have been operating there, I stumbled upon a list of the country’s recent golf course developments. He was named as the designer of the Pun Hliang course in Rangoon(1). His website boasted that he had turned “a 650-acre rice paddy into The Pride of Myanmar.”(2)
I asked his company who owned the land on which the course was constructed. How many people were evicted in order to build it? Was forced labour used in its construction? As his company is based in Florida, did this work break US sanctions?(3) It refused to answer my questions(4). I suggested in my column that Nelson Mandela should remove his name from the charity golf tournament Player is due to host next month(5).
My call was taken up by Desmond Tutu(6,7) and the Congress of South African Trade Unions (Cosatu)(
. The Nelson Mandela Children’s Fund, which claims to own the event, asked Mr Player to stand down as the tournament’s guest of honour(9). Player’s company responded by claiming that it was in fact the joint owner of the event; he has refused to stand aside(10). The controversy is still raging. Cosatu has promised to turn up and protest if Player does not withdraw(11).
One result of the fuss is that the Gary Player Group was obliged to issue a statement about its involvement in Burma. It maintained that “The company’s decision to design the course in Burma was actually humanitarian in that it took no profit from the endeavor, but rather encouraged the developer to put the money toward creating jobs, as well as the establishment of a caddy & agronomy program. … the company was paid expenses only.”(12) Converting 650 acres of rice paddy in a country suffering from malnutrition into a golf course likely to be used by the generals looks to me like an unusual object for charity, so I asked Player’s company to provide some evidence for these claims(13).
[continues at link]
Ouch, Moe! That's *spicy*!
Moe - FWIW, golf is a really big deal among the elite in Asia. All of the Generals and big deal politicos in The Philippines play golf. It's a really big deal. I know they are always talking about where they have played, who they have played with and to a lesser extent their scores.
I'm debating getting the Leopard OS X Update. Can't decide quite yet.
CityKid, more from that article:
One study suggests that an 18-hole course requires, on average, 22 tonnes of chemical treatments (mostly pesticides) every year: seven times the rate per hectare for industrial farming(22). Another shows higher rates of some cancers, such as non-Hodgkin’s lymphoma (which has been associated with certain pesticides(23)), among golf course superintendents(24). Courses consume staggering amounts of water(25). Many of them are built on diverse and important habitats, such as rainforests or wetlands. In some countries people have been violently evicted to make way for them.
The problem is particularly acute in South East and East Asia, where golf is big business, and land rights and the environment are often ignored by governments. There are hundreds of accounts of battles between peasant farmers or indigenous people and golf course developers. In one case in the Philippines in 2000, two farmers resisting a course planned for their lands were mutilated and dismembered then shot dead(26).
I'm debating getting the Leopard OS X Update. Can't decide quite yet.
plantsman, plant geek
Oh go for it Apple is a lovable corporation that will only screw its customer base once in a while. That said they've been very good about convincing their customer base that they are not getting screwed, but are consuming some sort of "uncola." Smirk
Sooner or Later, probably with the next generation of Mac OS after this, my hardware becomes totally obsolete, and I can't get there from here. But until then.....
And:
Player’s companies, which have a turnover of hundreds of millions of dollars, have designed eight golf courses in China, one in Taiwan, nine in the Philippines, one in Malaysia, seven in Indonesia and one in Burma(27). At least two of the courses in Indonesia were built during the Suharto dictatorship(2, when the ruling family was alleged to have had a commercial interest in most golf course development(29,30).
Paul Krugman just answered maria Bartilomo's saying she wouldn't wanna get sick in France by telling her their health care is great, basic care way above U.S., and everyone has access to it. Also said the U.S. economy is running on fumes, but seems to be doing it for now. Recession; 1 chance in 3, but his and everyone's predictions haven't proved to be good.
Morning, rational people.
Moe FWIW the same thing can be said of ski hills - bad stuff; esp. for the environment. I think The Nation had a piece on ski resort development a couple of years back.
OS X has run more smoothly than anything else I've ever had, with no unsolvable crises since its inception, no mind-killing headache or heartache.
What more can one ask?
Yikes, Moe. That's a horrifying story all the way around.
People won't be snow skiing for much longer. Already major competitions have been cancelled for lack of snow.
An interesting power struggle is going on in Phoenix.(Line breaks minimized)
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/10/2...ona.html?
ref=us
Mr. Larkin and Mr. Lacey have run The Phoenix New Times since the 1970s, and they control its parent company, now called Village Voice Media, which also owns The Village Voice in New York and other papers. Mr. Lacey is the executive editor and Mr. Larkin is the publisher.
In 2004, The New Times reported on the real-estate holdings of Sheriff Arpaio. The paper said he had concealed his ownership of some properties and questioned how he could have afforded them on his salary. One article included, in print and online, Sheriff Arpaio’s home address.
A state law makes it a felony to disclose the home address of a law enforcement figure on the Internet — though not in print. Allies of the sheriff said the publication had endangered him because he has been the subject of death threats............. The New Times said the address was available through multiple public sources, including government Web sites................................ On Thursday, the paper published an article by Mr. Lacey and Mr. Larkin reporting the existence of Mr. Wilenchik’s grand jury investigation and of the subpoena he had obtained for the paper’s records............. The subpoena, reproduced on The New Times Web site, sought the names and Internet addresses of all people who have viewed the site since Jan. 1, 2004, whether or not they had read about the sheriff’s real-estate holdings............................ The subpoena also demanded information on readers’ “cookies,” which would show what other Web sites they had visited............................... “That subpoena is grossly, shockingly, breathtakingly overbroad,” said James Weinstein, a professor of constitutional law at the Sandra Day O’Connor College of Law at Arizona State University. “This is a case of harassment of the press.”
Professor Weinstein also questioned whether any charges brought in the original case, for publishing the sheriff’s address, would stand up to a legal challenge.
The New Times article also described an effort by Mr. Wilenchik to set up a private conversation with the judge overseeing the case that the judge disclosed and criticized as improper in a closed hearing.
On Thursday night, the two principal owners, Michael Lacey and Jim Larkin, were arrested and charged with illegally disclosing the inner workings of a grand jury, a misdemeanor.
But by late afternoon yesterday, it was all over. The owners were free, the charges against them were dropped, and the underlying investigation ended.
Moe, didja know that $70 to 78 billion in wasted fuel every year is due to traffic congestion>?
at http://www.washingtonpost.com/
wp...7101702214.html
I remember when New Times started up in Phoenix -- high hippie days. And Joe Arpaio is an overblown sadist wannabe.
OS X has run more smoothly than anything else I've ever had, with no unsolvable crises since its inception, no mind-killing headache or heartache.
What more can one ask?
plantsman, plant geek
That's nice, unless of course Apple sold you a Power PC (at full price) about a month or so before they introduced OS X which won't work on the machine you just spent $3000 to buy. I guess their market share is small enough that nobody notices.
I'm debating getting the Leopard OS X Update. Can't decide quite yet.
plantsman, plant geek
I'm a little wary of a whole new OS; funny, since I never think twice about any other update.
plantsman, I think Arpaio has gone beyond the wannabe stage: he is a sadist.
Moe, didja know that $70 to 78 billion in wasted fuel every year is due to traffic congestion>?
at http://www.washingtonpost.com/ wp...7101702214.html
Ruth
Unfortunately, I think that's a call for increased capacity at ports and on highways, which will lead to still more fuel consumption, not less.
Hi, Diane, see I already intro'd your post (at 6:40), but what I didn't say is I betcha wingers are sure the illeguls will just stage crimes to get their citizenship.
An early G4 Power PC years earlier, now running the lastest system software and going strong; without those confusing, expensive flavors of Vista to choose among, or the constant malware problems.
Sneer away.
(I'm ready for a new desktop background.)
Moe, that may well be the intention, but the figure about wasted fuel is interesting - staggered work schedules is called for I would think, too.
What we really need to do is take highways down, and reduce international trade, not increase them.
If only we could get the sun to come up at different times for different people!
An early G4 Power PC years earlier, now running the lastest system software and going strong; without those confusing, expensive flavors of Vista to choose among, or the constant malware problems.
Sneer away.
plantsman, plant geek
Actually PG I use an Apple G5 at work 5-days a week. I just think they are as slimy a company as Microsoft. At home I prefer Linux and BSD.
Must see:
http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journa...2007/
watch.html
Bill Moyers talks journalist Jeremy Scahill, Part 1
(I'm watching it now)
QL - There was a dkos diary on Rockefeller, which says he got about $20K from AT&T execs this year (for the previous 6 yrs, it was close to zero) and about the same amt from Verizon guys (about zero for previous yrs). He is up for re-election in 08. Why are these contributions so important to Rockefeller, who has assets of $100M or more? Last time, he apparently financed with his own money to the tune of $10M. (In a poor state like WV, that doesn't go well.)At that time, he declared no more personal money. And he hasn't raised much. I think he is really lazy bum.
WH knows his vulnerabilities. They might have even promised they would go easy on him in his re-election.
I just think they are as slimy a company as Microsoft.
Unpossible, imho.
V - did you give up on the camping?
portia, thanks, good link. I watched a lot of Moyers last night. Brave fella.
Thanks, ruth.
It really galls me that the head of the Minutemen gets credence enough to be quoted in a news report on anything.
I use an Apple G5 at work 5-days a week. I just think they are as slimy a company as Microsoft.
Oh no no no!
Technomessiah Steve can do NO wrong!!!
Macinistas: the Republicans of the computing world...
What I found scary was this Prince fellow sent his mercs to NOLA before they had a government contract. WTF? Was it just to be in position if called or does he believe he has the right to dispense justice at the gunpoint wherever he wants.
Macinistas: the Republicans of the computing world...
A singularly inapt and meaningless slur.
Microsofties = the sheeple.
Morning, kids.
Unpossible, imho.
plantsman, plant geek
Oh yeah? Tell that to the poor slobs that bought Iphones 3 months ago at double the current price. Apple is pure sleaze.
NYT editorial saying the claim by Cretin-1 that FISA law is letting patriotic businessmen be is lie, that it's meaning the WH never has to appear in court admitting to all the laws it has broken. just read on CSpan
Don't wanna argue about that, anyway.
Boring.
morning, Molly and ql.
CSpan on Dems congress records.
V - did you give up on the camping?
ql optimist
We're gonna wait a couple of hours and see if the bad weather is likely to pass.
Usually I'm the one wimping out because of the weather, but this time I need it for therapeutic purposes so I'm in favor of sitting under a tarp with a smoky fire, if necessary.
portia, thanks, good link. I watched a lot of Moyers last night. Brave fella.
Ruth
It's a great interview.
from the transcript:
JEREMY SCAHILL: Well, let's remember, this is a guy who prior to the September 16th shooting in Baghdad had only done one television interview ever. And it was right after 9/11 on Fox News with Bill O'Reilly. And during that interview, he said that after 9/11, the phone's been ringing off the hook at Blackwater. Other than that, this is a guy who hasn't really appeared in public. So, it was unusual to see him, A, appear before the Congress. And B, do this blitzkrieg of interviews. I think the message was very clear. He was trying to say we're a patriotic American company. That we're Americans protecting Americans. We want accountability for our industry. But there is also something that sort of reminded me of Jack Nicholson in A Few Good Men where he's talking about I eat my cereal, you know, meters away from Cubans who want to kill me. Where Erik Prince uses terms like the bad guys and our blood runs-- runs red, white and blue.
Cell-phone Luddite here, and unashamed to admit it.
The mercs are getting more support out of taxpayers' pockets, seems that the U.S./Mex. drug programs incorporate them into training the Mex. police to shoot to kill. Reading Dallas morning News.
Where are you camping?
I have super-secret weekend plans, also therapeutic, but they won't commence for a few more hours.
Microsofties = the sh--
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I wish I could be a cell-phone Luddite, but I have entirely too many lives to manage.
BTW, the teen passed her driver's test.
Eeek!
HaloScan so blows!
I wonder when we'll stop talking about the problems and really do something about them? Our political system has failed, and I fear will not heal itself. I think it's time to start looking at other alternatives as painful as that may be. Good night from AK, catch y'all later.
Cell-phone Luddite here, and unashamed to admit it.
Translation from Macinistese: LA LA LA LA LA I've got my fingers in my ears and I Can't HEAR YOU!!!
Lesbian teen drive-in princess!
dave, give it a rest. I can hear you, you just talk bullshit.
I have no need for a cell-phone.
'morning, Molly -- eeeek! indeed!
Dave -- it's just a matter of preference. I like the look and feel aspect of using the Mac, and I do, in fact, hate MS more than Apple.
I don't see any reason for anyone to be a dick either way, but YMMV.
No cell phone for the Teen! Happy launch.
I have super-secret weekend plans, also therapeutic, but they won't commence for a few more hours.
Molly Ivors
I hope they're fun ones.
See, one bad thing about retirement, there basically are no weekends to look forward to. Heh.
This morning we vigil then probably a quick trip to the Amish farmer's market. Gonna make beef stew and fresh bread from my new breadmaker.
Was it just to be in position if called or does he believe he has the right to dispense justice at the gunpoint wherever he wants.
The latter, I'm afraid. Isn't he a christianist?
What galls me is folks getting pissy if I like what I have. I'm not dissing anyone's choices, I just make my own.
Molly, congrats to the teen.
Kinda poor timing, though: she won't be able to get much practice in before the bad weather hits on Liberal Mountain, so you'll still be stuck with doing a lot of the driving.
'night, cityKid. Stay warm.
Lesbian teen drive-in princess!
Unfortunately (or fortunately) we have no drive-ins here. She and the girl went to the regular movies last night.
Gonna make beef stew and fresh bread from my new breadmaker.
ql optimist
ql, did you locate an instruction manual for the breadmaker?
I hope they're fun ones.
V. fun. And all will be revealed tomorrow.
Molly,
Congrats on the teen! It's amazing how fast they grow up.
So few drive-ins anymore - I think there's still one between Olympia and Shelton Washington I've wanted to go to, but I'm never there at the right time.
Diane,
In my family, we go to large empty parking lots after the first snow to teach the young 'uns how to control for sliding and such.
The big thing now is that we have three drivers and two cars, and that's... tricky.
Diane, no, but on investigation they are all pretty much the same. I found a decent recipe for plain old white that came out extremely well. I may try something fancier today. In anticipation I snagged a breadmaker cookbook from the exchange a few months ago so I have that. Fun times.
There are still drive-ins in the south, I think. But they're pretty impractical here--a lot of real estate for something that's only open a few months of the year.
But I had lots of fun at drive-ins in my day.
Molly, three drivers? or one potential passenger?
The big thing now is that we have three drivers and two cars, and that's... tricky.
Yeah, but, honestly, I think that's good. Kids who get cars handed to them tend to have problems, I think
ql,
Check ebay. Just enter in the model number and "instruction manual." You'll be amazed.
I have one I never use, to my shame.
Heh,
Me too also.
In Iowa in college I confronted A&W drive-ins that were only open in summer. It seemed odd to me.
This is weird. Just heard Sinatra's On the Road to Mandalay
Kids who get cars handed to them tend to have problems, I think
Yeah, it's tied statistically to poorer performance in school and all kinds of stuff.
We have a law here that a driver under 18 can't have more than two unrelated people in the car at the same time. That also makes sense to me.
Moe, hearing things? (Loved the On The Road movies)
I think Molly is a primo Mom any kid would be thrilled to have.
Real Climate:
For years the Wall Street Journal has been lying to you about the existence of global warming. It doesn't exist, it's a conspiracy, the satellites show it's just urban heat islands, it's not CO2, it's all the sun, it's water vapor, and on and on. Now that those arguments are losing traction, they have moved on from denying global warming's existence to soothing you with reassurances that it ain't gonna be such a bad thing.
A little late-night nostalgia - Joey Bishop on Carson's 10th anniversary show.
With Jack Benny!
plantsman, I suspect your reference to drive-ins meant food places, and got interpreted as movie places.
In ME the summer I worked at Migis Lodge, we used to pack everyone in the back of a pickup and do drive in movies, it was lovely.
Kids who get cars handed to them tend to have problems, I think
Yeah, it's tied statistically to poorer performance in school and all kinds of stuff.
We have a law here that a driver under 18 can't have more than two unrelated people in the car at the same time. That also makes sense to me.
Molly Ivors, Vaginal-American | Homepage | 10.20.07 - 7:35 am
Don't have those laws here in Ohio, but I think there's now consideration to do so.
My boss, when her two got their driver's license, the rule for the first 6 months was no teen passengers, and no listening to the radio.
Now that those arguments are losing traction, they have moved on from denying global warming's existence to soothing you with reassurances that it ain't gonna be such a bad thing.
Actually, I recall them doing an article like that in the late 90s.
Moe, my fav - global warming is good because more people die from cold. Of course, WSJ doesn't do ag.
I think Molly is a primo Mom any kid would be thrilled to have.
Ah, you're a sweetie. Like any parent, I have good days and bad days. The bad days generally involve not getting any help with housework, and the short tempers that engenders.
In ME the summer I worked at Migis Lodge, we used to pack everyone in the back of a pickup and do drive in movies, it was lovely.
When I was in high school, the popular drive-in was the Motor Movies.
Charged $2.00 a carload and showed strictly third-run and low-budget horror movies - "I Spit On Your Grave" was a popular one.
We'd load the trunk with a couple of cases of beer and have at it...
Morning.
soothing you with reassurances that it ain't gonna be such a bad thing.
Well, now that the Russkies are bad guys again (nice work, Soviet Expert Rice!), the opening of the Arctic is a very direct benefit to our enemies.
Understood, Molly; but you're so clearly wise and thoughtful I expect Mother's Day will be sweet for years to come.
One weird one I saw at the Motor Movies: "Slither" with James Caan, directed by Howard Zieff.
Not sure how that one snuck in...
JR, were you banned? If so, don't take it personally. Atrios and Jeevan are having a heckuva a time staying ahead of the Interpol Princess.
The last drive-ins in Ontario (about 5) are all owned by the same company, albeit it's a family business.
They are actually pretty good... second run movies and classics. Lots of "theme" nights.
Moe, my fav - global warming is good because more people die from cold. Of course, WSJ doesn't do ag.
Ruth
We are *this close* to seeing Dust Bowl conditions across the American plains.
trios and Jeevan are having a heckuva a time staying ahead of the Interpol Princess
Thank the gods they're trying. What a pain she is. I've walked away from dozens of threads because of the nonsense.
Someday soon there will be a new word for a certain kind of web-based sociopathy, I'd bet.
I saw a functioning, well-attended drive-in theater on my recent trip to Maine.
Time for breakfast and then a nap. I had my sleep interrupted by sirens at about 2:15 AM, so I figure I'm justified.
Enjoy the morning, folks.
As Ruth mentioned above, I have a post up on the special visas for immigrant victims of crime, and the typical winger response
We had great times at the drive-ins, too. They charged by the person, so there was generally someone in the trunk. And BFF and I once bought a huge bag of catnip for $5. She was a hell of a negotiator!
Like any parent, I have good days and bad days. The bad days generally involve not getting any help with housework, and the short tempers that engenders.
Molly Ivors
I worried constantly and was probably overly strict. Don't know if that helped or hindered, but they turned out pretty well, so in the end, I guess I did okay. I just wish I had taken more time to enjoy it. Everything was always so serious.
If so, don't take it personally.
Oh, I know it's not personal, I'm just trying to find it amusing.
It's just so fucking random.
Pouring down rain, of course, with winds up to 80 k, but it's 23 frickin degrees. Summer time!
They are actually pretty good... second run movies and classics. Lots of "theme" nights.
Economically, that makes plenty of sense.
I got up and logged on and there was a box saying Firefox had a new update available. It was so civil, direct, and pleasant.
JR, were you banned? If so, don't take it personally. Atrios and Jeevan are having a heckuva a time staying ahead of the Interpol Princess.
Molly Ivors, Vaginal-American | Homepage | 10.20.07 - 7:42 am
Are they trying to ban 'm'?
It's just so fucking random.
Yeah, I think they have to ban groups at a time. It's actually pretty difficult, I gather.
Thank the gods they're trying. What a pain she is. I've walked away from dozens of threads because of the nonsense.
Hecate, Runnymeade Conspirator
Saying this in spite of the constant lurker: I actually find it sort of entertaining. She is a fascinating kind of nutso-cuckoo.
I guess I did okay.
That's an excellent philosophy of life.
Atrios and Jeevan are having a heckuva a time staying ahead of the Interpol Princess.
Molly Ivors
Hmmm. I thought all the stuff about being banned was a product of her imagination.
Interesting, tho, that trying to ban someone allegedly in Switzerland accidently bans someone in Ontario.
HICA!
.
Are they trying to ban 'm'?
Yes, but her complete control of Interpol, the RCMP, and the EU Armed Forces is making it difficult.
I too find her greatly amusing.
Kittehs, JP; Wrasslin'?
ql,
Making decent, thoughtful, independent human beings is a helluva process. I feel pretty good about the person the teen is becoming, and I see the little ones taking shape. But you're right--everything seems so serious all the time.
We try to be goofy with them for a while every day. When they sit down in the evening, Thers and the 8YO throw socks at each other and then pretend they didn't, and we have funny face contests, and that sort of thing.
It's TX' turn this year to have the rain. Sorry, Atlanta, W.VA, MD - maybe you're being sensitized.
Moe, interesting, oceans absorbing less CO 2 - at http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_ne...ews/
7053903.stm
actually pretty difficult, I gather.
Molly Ivors
yeah, you block the entire netblock if your troll is not using a static IP.
If she is actually in Europe then she isn't actually on my netblock, so she is using a proxy. Instead of blocking the netblock, you could just block the known proxies... people make lists of them for that reason.
If she is on my netblock, why am I sometimes banned and sometimes not banned? Plus, the owner of the netblock would boot her(?) arse for violating their ToS. (cue Lily Tomlin) They are, after all, the phone company.
Thanks for that, Ruth. That's one of the expected feedback loops, and here it is, documented. There will soon be lots of stuff coming out about Arctic methane as well.
Interesting, tho, that trying to ban someone allegedly in Switzerland accidently bans someone in Ontario.
She's actually supposed to be in Quebec this week, which is probably what happened. Are the Canadian intertubes dominated by big service providers as they are down here?
She is a fascinating kind of nutso-cuckoo.
V for Virginia
Netkooks are highly variable. I've seen a few that rate at least 0.9 Timecubes. But usually those don't make threats.
Molly - Yup.
It's difficult to remember that because they don't do a homework assignment doesn't mean they are going to be a failure for the rest of their lives.
The similarity in MO to bdg (also allegedly in Onrario) is interesting
okay, time to make oatmeal! it's cold enuff at last. brb
Are they trying to ban 'm'?
Yes, but her complete control of Interpol, the RCMP, and the EU Armed Forces is making it difficult.
plantsman, plant geek | Homepage | 10.20.07 - 7:49 am |
And her complete control over all the engineering societies.
Are the Canadian intertubes dominated by big service providers as they are down here?
Molly Ivors
I've never been banned, but whatever system I'm on, I'm sure it's not the same as Ontario's.
"I'm going to get M thrown out of Europe -- they'll be impressed because my ancestors are from Austria" -- that's some funny shit, right there.
plantsman: Kittehs, JP; Wrasslin'?
Just started, actually. I have to go get kitteh chow in a minnit; we's out.
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pipi longstalking: a nice German girl whose father invented World War 2.
Why Your Butt Cheeks Will Get A Workout Next Week
I need to watch a movie today, and read more "Wicked."
Thanks for that, Ruth. That's one of the expected feedback loops, and here it is, documented. There will soon be lots of stuff coming out about Arctic methane as well.
Moe Szyslak | Homepage | 10.20.07 - 7:53 am |
Just finished With Speed and Violence, recommended by someone here.
Scientists are more than a bit worried about a methane megafart.
"I'm going to get M thrown out of Europe -- they'll be impressed because my ancestors are from Austria" -- that's some funny shit, right there.
V for Virginia | 10.20.07 - 7:56 am
She didn't actually write that, did she?!
I believe in the stage play, plantsman, Fiyero is generally played by a beautiful young African-American guy.
Oh! I guess Kroger is open. I can get kitteh kibble there.
bbl
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I feel so silly, I was afraid the eye-care practice where I last got an exam and glasses would be reluctant to mail a copy of my last prescription (they are now nearly inaccessible to me cause I don't drive). Once I navigated their hellish phone system, they couldn't have been nicer about it.
She didn't actually write that, did she?!
Buckeye, Dealer of Rare Coins
Paraphrased, but essentially.
Good morning again, people.
I found her amusing until she tried to "out" me, and assumed that a colleague of mine is me. Initials and home country were posted (scrubbed yesterday, I believe).
I will happily out myself before someone else gets trouble (e-mails or worse) because of mistaken identity.
You don't see too many Fiyeros on the road, these days. That mid-engine design wasn't all that great.
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Fiyero and Elphaba have the coolest affair going!
I found her amusing until she tried to "out" me, and assumed that a colleague of mine is me. Initials and home country were posted (scrubbed yesterday, I believe).
I wasn't aware of that. Kinda changes my opinion.
You don't see too many Fiyeros on the road, these days. That mid-engine design wasn't all that great
The design was alright, but the engine was JUNK.
She didn't actually write that, did she?!
Buckeye, Dealer of Rare Coins
Paraphrased, but essentially.
V for Virginia | 10.20.07 - 8:02 am |
Wow.
She needs help.
Not the best kitteh pixels, but it'll have to do until a bit later.
Now, bbl
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You don't see too many Fiyeros on the road, these days. That mid-engine design wasn't all that great.
Heh.
I'm afraid her pathology is very resistant and unresponsive to "help."
plantsman, do you have my email address? I have something I'd like to send you, if you send me your snail mail addy.
I promise I won't report you to Interpol.
Molly, thanks again for your support yesterday!
I don't Molly, What can we do to rectify that?
Heh. in the mid 80's, the Fiero made my best friend a fairly rich man. He was a Master Mechanic at the only Pontiac dealer in town. An engine R&R paid around 18 hours by the book.
He could have the engine/transaxle assembly out in under 45 minutes - Took him around 2 hours to bolt everything back together.
plantsman -- e-mail me at vforvirginia at gmail and I'll pass it on.
p-man,
If you go to the homepage and look at my profile, I think it's there.
Getting thrown out of Europe kinda amazing concept. How about ending her inherited fortune in Nigeria too while she's at it?
TIGER CAT BLOGGING
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This is a better pic than most of what he actually looks like
I need to watch a movie today, and read more "Wicked."
plantsman
Ever since going to the Amish market I've been jonesing to see Witness. Alas, it is not in the current cycle of reruns.
Getting thrown out of Europe kinda amazing concept.
Marcellina is one of the Bush Twins?!?
I clicked on your Homepage link and emailed NYMary with my snail mail.
Alas, it is not in the current cycle of reruns.
Netflix.
Fred Thompson says he's goig to go into the oval office and prey. I believe him.
The sexual tension between Kelly McGillis and Harrison Ford was intense!
Doug Watts posts over at Real Climate, something I've never dared to do.
What will it take for Democrats to be an opposition party and not keep enabling Bush? I sure hope the 2008 convention in Denver is the scene of enormous dissatisfaction with the party!
Why replace Gonzales with a Mini-Gozales? The MSM portrays this guy so differently. More importantly, he is a member of Giulani's inner circle
http://www.wsws.org/articles/200.../muka-
o20.shtml
This week’s Senate hearings on the nomination of Michael Mukasey as US attorney general made clear that the Democratic leadership is preparing to install as the country’s chief law enforcement official a right-wing former judge who backs the illegal methods of the Bush administration in its so-called war on terror, including torture and domestic spying...........about his own ruling in the case of Jose Padilla, in which he ruled that the president as commander-in-chief had the power to decree the detention of US citizens. He cited as legal justification Congress’s own vote to authorize the use of military force in the wake of the September 11, 2001, terrorist attacks.................Mukasey expressed the opinion that the Hamdi decision “left open the question of where the battlefield is and who defines the battlefield.”
In terms of international law, there is an incontrovertible solution, which is to either charge and try those detained for crimes, or release them. Mukasey’s answer made it clear that he supports a continuation of the present illegal setup.
..the detention camp was humane and legal. Detainees there, he told Durbin, get “three hots and a cot, healthcare better than many Americans and taxpayer-funded Korans.”
Mukasey stood by this statement, telling the panel, “I don’t think people are mistreated there.” Asked whether imprisoning people for years without charges did not constitute mistreatment, Mukasey replied, “What one regards conversationally as mistreatment or not, I think, is probably in the eye of the beholder.” Whatever one’s opinion, he insisted, doing so is legal.
there exists a “gap between where FISA left off and where the Constitution permitted the president to act.” The clear implication was that as commander-in-chief, the president has the power to override or ignore the law in the name of conducting war.
“The president doesn’t stand above the law,” he said. “But the law emphatically includes the Constitution.” The answer amounted to an implicit defense of the core legal argument made in defense of all of the criminal actions of the Bush administration.
The nominee also supported the White House’s claim that executive privilege can be used to cover communications that do not directly involve the president, an argument used to stonewall congressional investigations and defy subpoenas, particularly in the case of the fired US attorneys. He also indicated that as attorney general he would not seek to enforce contempt citations against members of the executive branch who refuse to to testify before Congress.
Ruth
If she's pathological, she seems to be of the type that love their pathology and don't want help -- they think the therapist is another person to manipulate.
/half-baked diagnostician
She might just be a narcissistic asshole with delusions of grandeur.
And it's only funny until someone gets hurt (I missed the part about the "outing" of M), and if she's a minimum of 500 miles away from me.
Netflix.
Molly
Hey, you kids, get offa my lawn.
Well, we actually have a dvd player but have never used it. Just not that into movies these days. We keep thinking we'll watch one during the day and eat popcorn, but we always have something else to do.
Ever since going to the Amish market I've been jonesing to see Witness. Alas, it is not in the current cycle of reruns.
ql optimist | Homepage | 10.20.07 - 8:15 am
Library might have it.
Can we please kill Katie Couric now?
Way to make a serious situation look like a high school snit, you superannuated cheerleader.
If she's pathological, she seems to be of the type that love their pathology and don't want help -- they think the therapist is another person to manipulate.
/half-baked diagnostician
She might just be a narcissistic asshole with delusions of grandeur.
And it's only funny until someone gets hurt (I missed the part about the "outing" of M), and if she's a minimum of 500 miles away from me.
V for Virginia | 10.20.07 - 8:19 am
I think you're correct, she likes being this way.
John Dean had a lovely take on Mukasey's shenanigans on "Countdown."
/half-baked diagnostician
Don't you have a degree in social work?
And what are you doing half-baked at this time of day? Sheesh!
Library might have it.
Buckeye, Dealer of Rare Coins
Yep.
I tried to stream a Netflix movie the other day, only to discover that they are MS FASCISTS!!!11!!!!
So I caught up on all the episodes of 30 Rock and started this season's The Office, instead.
Buckeye, great idea. Thanks.
I guess I'd better wake up first, before I take on narcissistic assholes with delusions of grandeur.
That's a bit much for not even finishing one cup of coffee.
I tried to stream a Netflix movie the other day, only to discover that they are MS FASCISTS!!!11!!!!
Yes, it's the only time I use explorer.
DVD Players are hella easy-to-operate, and the pause function is light-years better than on VCRs. You won't be sorry if you use it.
Morning, all
(And Quilt Lady. I LOVE Netflix and my DVD player. Keeps me from watching TV)
Buckeye, great idea. Thanks.
ql optimist | Homepage | 10.20.07 - 8:22 am
Libraries are great things, I just watched The Host and Hot Fuzz, all for free.
Don't you have a degree in social work?
And what are you doing half-baked at this time of day? Sheesh!
Molly Ivors, Vaginal-American
Well, yeah, but I'm not real big on labeling people, and it's, you know, the Interwebs
And as to part (b), above: Not. Yet.
And, off the the library, and for my morning walk.
Later, bats.
not wanting help makes me think about those kids in HS (like Couric), who always attacked some one to try and attract a 'group' to hang with. Where are they now? and didn't they all have famous ancestors? In VA it was civil war greats.
My monitor is 640X480. Please put your margins back the way they were last week.
Cancel my account!
Katie Couric is the picture postcard of everything that is wrong with journalism in this country today. And Lara whats her name did a shamefully vapid piece on 60 Minutes with Eric Prince. She's done some good reporting from Iraq, but that was pure fluff. I don't care if all the male Atriots go sproing when they look at her. She really blew that one.
Blockbuster Online is a bit parental.
They send these breathless "Your Queue Needs Attention" emails only the brain-dead would need.
Witness is a good movie.
Starts off with a bang and sustains it.
I like it when Lukas Haas, now a member of Leo DiCaprio's entourage, plays with the kittens too.
I love my dvds. I can change languages (English if original, for me; German when I have friends over), turn the subtitles on and off, skip to any part of the film, and the bonus stuff is also cool sometimes.
Jesus, Plame is gorgeous. Wow.
ql, you so funny!
Can we please kill Katie Couric now?
fits right into her cheerleader facade: cheerleading for her corpocracy!
I hate the "forced Coming Attractions and commercials" on newer DVDs.
OK, we just got go for launch. Off to squat under a tarp and drink.
love you crazee kidz! Have a nice weekend!
Lara is not only hawt, but an excellent journalist.
However, I don't think one-on-one interviews are her strong suit.
I wouldn't call it pure fluff, but she didn't drive the point home that nobody, not the Iraqis Gov., not the US, not the Pentagon or eyewitnesses, or Jesus, believes his version of events.
I hate the "forced Coming Attractions and commercials" on newer DVDs.
True, they are a pain. We use that time to get the popcorn.
Bill Moyers w/Jeremy Scahill did a much better job on the Blackwater story.
I hate the "forced Coming Attractions and commercials" on newer DVDs.
Hit the menu button--it'll take you right to the movie.
Alternately, each promo is an episode, so just skip forward.
Plame told Couric that her outing had shut down or endangered every operation she had ever worked on. She also indicated there had been negative repercussions to individuals with whom she had worked, though she was unable to be more specific.
They got killed.
Thanks, Republicans!
She really blew that one.
Then I hope she interviews me next!
[cot, subbing for ntodd]
Katie tries to get Plame to talk about Operation Merlin, which was apparently a decoy operation to give bad bomb plans to Iran.
Thanks, Republicans!
Molly, on some dvds I get a little red circle-with-slash in the top right corner, when I try to click through a pre-announcement.
Once you go DVD you never go back
so teh air farce is trying to tell me that 'occifers' failed FIVE times to check the nuke missiles before they were flown across country...with that shitty an occifer corps, no wonder air strikes don't do much but scatter enemies and destroy bridges and roads
CoT
And at first read I tho't that was 'sobbing for NTodd'..
(I'm waiting until I have enough disposable income to get the "upconverting" DVD player I want.)
Marcellina,
Usually, either the menu thing works or the skipping thing works, but you do have to wait until the chapter starts to skip it.
(I'm waiting until I have enough disposable income to get the "upconverting" DVD player I want.)
plantsman
Wait for HD-DVD players to fall below $200, should happen around X-Mas or shortly thereafter.
Oh, and sheets
Oh, and I gave you sheets.
mogwai, my posts kill fascists,
Honestly, I think I am at the point of either surrendering the stupidity or just finding a way to ignore it. I really cannot take much more of this stupid news and stupid democraps anymore.
The Dems are the worst though. They REFUSE to stand up and FIGHT and that is simply unforgivable from my perspective. If they won't fight, then all is lost.
Atta, I have my eye on the extremely well reviewed Oppo 980H player, which ships with an HDMI cable, which to a nearly home-bound person like myself is important. Also HD-DVD has association
with Microsoft, and.......
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