I'll say it again: Nashville has the largest Kurdish expat pop in the U.S.
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Jeffraham Prestonian |
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02.23.08 - 12:33 pm | #
Down with Pelosi!
ignoreland |
02.23.08 - 12:34 pm | #
Death is On the March ...
focus |
02.23.08 - 12:35 pm | #
And U.S. acquiescence will likely destroy our relationship with the only ethnic group in Iraq that currently looks favorably on our troops presence.
Shared Humanity |
02.23.08 - 12:35 pm | #
I'll say it again: Nashville has the largest Kurdish expat pop in the U.S.
Many of us tried to bring up so many things that were just brushed aside: the weapon inspectors didn't find anything, Sunni/Shia/Kurds, Iran, Turkey, No terrorist in Iraq, the spread of Anti-Americanism in the Muslim world... not to mention the cost in American lives and money or the taking away of the focus from the terrorist in Afganistan.
And we were called foolish and short sighted.
I wish I felt better saying "we told you so", but I don't.
November can't get here soon enough.
ducky 1515 |
02.23.08 - 12:35 pm | #
Kurdish delight.
Skyrockets in flight
Richard |
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02.23.08 - 12:35 pm | #
MikeJ: It's a glandular thing.
Seriously, my local quickiemart has a couple of Kurds working there, along with a bunch of Indians.
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Jeffraham Prestonian |
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02.23.08 - 12:36 pm | #
Where can I rent a motorcycle ramp, peeps?
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Jeffraham Prestonian |
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02.23.08 - 12:38 pm | #
Sallyh -- go get pampered, baybee!
V for Virginia, home again |
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02.23.08 - 12:38 pm | #
Leibniz, tied up with duct tape in a motel room in Youngstown.
Sallyh, Grandmere Poissonniere |
02.23.08 - 12:38 pm | #
JP -- Uhaul?
V for Virginia, home again |
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02.23.08 - 12:38 pm | #
didn't we tell the war mongers that this could happen if they went ahead?
Moonbootica, Employed |
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02.23.08 - 12:39 pm | #
From below:
Obviously it would be stupid to insist that all Serbians are racist, but Serbia is a deeply racist and xenophobic nation and many Serbians buy into it.
rootless-e
My friends ended up fleeing the country at different times. He left because he refused to join the army, a few years before the war. She stayed through the war, and was active in a student group advocating for progressive policies and against militarism. There many thousands like-minded people on the streets, she says. They were not tolerated when the bombs started falling. She eventually had to leave as well.
But, weird thing is, he was recently offered a job back in Serbia. He was going to go back, had the election turned out differently, but not now.
So, yes, many Serbians are racist and nationalistic, etc., but I don't know how a "country" can be racist. Like everywhere else, it is a complicated place.
Moe Szyslak, two-handed! |
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02.23.08 - 12:39 pm | #
Man, there just isn't anywhere on Earth these assclowns can't go and make things worse. The next president is going to have a Herculean job trying to fix up the messes.
Hecate, Runnymeade Conspirator |
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02.23.08 - 12:39 pm | #
Remember how Texas republicans decided to keep the black college students from voting, by only having a single early-voting location seven miles from campus?
Possibly. I'm thinking I might ride the Vino to the biker bar just down the road, see if I can borrow one from ZZ Top.
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Jeffraham Prestonian |
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02.23.08 - 12:40 pm | #
Jeffraham, I know guys that build them, but wouldn't know the first place to rent them. I know, I'm useless
Sallyh, Grandmere Poissonniere |
02.23.08 - 12:40 pm | #
Bloody Mary?
Sallyh, Grandmere Poissonniere
Maybe I'll put the last bit of brandy in my coffee.
Remember how Texas republicans decided to keep the black college students from voting, by only having a single early-voting location seven miles from campus?
Well, they shut down the highway in large march to vote.
puppethead
That is a beautiful, beautiful sight.
Moe Szyslak, two-handed! |
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02.23.08 - 12:42 pm | #
y'all need to ease up on the alcohol.
watertiger |
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02.23.08 - 12:42 pm | #
"at least 35 Kurdish rebels"
Only rebels were killed? 35+ Kurds of some description were killed, of whom some were rebels? Several housefuls of Kurds were blown up, and four of them were known to have participated in "rebellion?"
V for Virginia, home again |
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02.23.08 - 12:42 pm | #
Molly, from the depths of the dead thread I thank you for the exciting news about Hamell on Trial.
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02.23.08 - 12:42 pm | #
Sallyh: Jeffraham, I know guys that build them, but wouldn't know the first place to rent them. I know, I'm useless
Well, I could buy one for $100, but I'm thinking this is a one-use dealio. Then what do I do with it?
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Jeffraham Prestonian |
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02.23.08 - 12:42 pm | #
Man, there just isn't anywhere on Earth these assclowns can't go and make things worse. The next few presidents are going to have a Herculean job trying to fix up the messes.
I thank you for the exciting news about Hamell on Trial.
I hope it works. It seemed to me like he and Rude Pundit would be a natural double-bill, and Ina and filk will be opening.
Molly Ivors, Blue |
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02.23.08 - 12:43 pm | #
That is a beautiful, beautiful sight.
Moe Szyslak, two-handed!
Got me all sniffly and shit.
V for Virginia, home again |
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02.23.08 - 12:44 pm | #
BAGHDAD, Iraq (AP) -- Rockets or mortars hit the U.S.-protected Green Zone early Saturday, the day after powerful Shiite cleric Muqtada al-Sadr ordered his Mehdi Army militia to extend its cease-fire by another six months.
Starting about 6:15 a.m., about 10 blasts could be heard in the sprawling area along the Tigris River that houses the U.S. and British embassies, the Iraqi government headquarters and thousands of American troops.
It was not immediately clear whether there were casualties.
Maj. Brad Leighton, a U.S. military spokesman, confirmed the Green Zone was hit by indirect fire -- the military's term for a rocket or mortar attack -- but could not immediately provide more details.
It was the fourth time this week that U.S. outposts in Baghdad appeared to be the targets of rocket or mortar attacks, killing at least six people and wounding both Iraqis and Americans, including at least two U.S. troops.
The flurry of attacks has followed a substantial lull in such assaults as security has increased and violence around the capital has dropped over the last half-year.
Earlier in the week, the U.S. military blamed Iranian-backed Shiite militias that have broken away from al-Sadr's block for the rocket attacks. Tehran denies that it sponsors extremists in Iraq.
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02.23.08 - 12:44 pm | #
Did you see this?
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Jeffraham Prestonian |
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02.23.08 - 12:45 pm | #
The Turkish military incursion into northern Iraq has apparently turned out to be on a considerably lesser scale than initial reports had suggested.
Iraqi Kurdish officials and US-led coalition sources said only a few hundred Turkish troops at most took part in the cross-border operation.
The Iraqi Kurds - always on the look-out for any Turkish move that might be construed as an attempt against their own autonomous region - said the incursion took place in a remote, rugged and unpopulated sector of the border, where heavy snows hamper movement at this time of the year.
Iraqi Kurdish Peshmerga forces, who control the part of northern Iraq south of the Turkish border, had no contact with the Turkish troops and were only aware of the operation from monitoring military radio traffic.
No vehicles or tanks were involved in the move across the border, although helicopter gunships were in action as well as jets and artillery.
Iraqi Foreign Minister Hoshyar Zebari - himself a Kurd - described the operation as "very, very limited".
But he added that the Turks had destroyed five bridges over the Blue River tributary - part of the Greater Zaab river complex - and said he had called in the Turkish charge d'affaires in Baghdad to deliver a protest note.
Well, I could buy one for $100, but I'm thinking this is a one-use dealio. Then what do I do with it?
One 2x6 + 2 2x4s for siderails, viola.
Jesus X. Crutch |
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02.23.08 - 12:45 pm | #
"at least 35 Kurdish rebels"
Only rebels were killed? 35+ Kurds of some description were killed, of whom some were rebels? Several housefuls of Kurds were blown up, and four of them were known to have participated in "rebellion?"
V for Virginia, home again | Homepage | 02.23.08 - 12:42 pm | #
Oh "V", your such a stickler on semantics. The women that were killed were known to be predisposed to having little nascent rebels popping out of their vaginas.
Rebel "Factories" is what what I call them.
Shared Humanity |
02.23.08 - 12:46 pm | #
Remember how Texas republicans decided to keep the black college students from voting, by only having a single early-voting location seven miles from campus?
Well, they shut down the highway in large march to vote.
puppethead
Heard this morning early voter turnout is over 50,000 statewide, which is higher than the total turnout in 2004. More Dems than Republicans, too.
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02.23.08 - 12:46 pm | #
Did you hear the latest from Prime Pimp Nuri Al-Maliki?
This stooge, puppet, asked Turkey to "respect the sovereignty and territorial integrity of Iraq. "
Which territorial integrity Mr.Prime Pimp ?
The American occupation's or the Iranian occupation's territorial integrity in Iraq ?
And please clarify to us where is Iraqi sovereignty when you follow orders like a dog from both Iran and the U.S, and you dare not set foot outside your filthy Green Zone.
Yalla, stay put in your brothel and your...graveyard.
Moonbootica, Employed |
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02.23.08 - 12:48 pm | #
A lot of college students were very angry in 04, I know that. They felt seriously disenfranchised.
Molly Ivors, Blue |
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02.23.08 - 12:49 pm | #
Sallyh, I'm still workin' on coffee at Chez Lazy, but nonetheless clink my cup against your glass.
Silleigh |
02.23.08 - 12:49 pm | #
Heard this morning early voter turnout is over 50,000 statewide, which is higher than the total turnout in 2004. More Dems than Republicans, too.
Rmj, Eminence Front
LANNNNNNNSDLIIIIIIIIIIDE!
We now return you to your regularly-scheduled program of cynicism and despair.
V for Virginia, home again |
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02.23.08 - 12:49 pm | #
Silleigh, right now, it's my cup to your cup. Still coffee time, and I'm being tres tres tres lazy. I'll have the baby later on for the rest of the weekend, so I'm taking in some downtime
Sallyh, Grandmere Poissonniere |
02.23.08 - 12:50 pm | #
"at least 35 Kurdish rebels"
Only rebels were killed? 35+ Kurds of some description were killed, of whom some were rebels? Several housefuls of Kurds were blown up, and four of them were known to have participated in "rebellion?"
V for Virginia, home again
Well, see it's not nice to blow up "civilians". So we call them rebels.
Happens on the West Bank, too.
Problem gone! See how well it works?
Adam Hominem, Prevert |
02.23.08 - 12:50 pm | #
Has anyone heard from TJ? I don't have her email.
Molly Ivors, Blue |
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02.23.08 - 12:50 pm | #
Off to work, back shortly.
Marcellina |
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02.23.08 - 12:50 pm | #
Here are some numbers on Texas primary vote turnout. Increases over 2004 are running as high as 1440% increases. Harris County Democratic votes, as of this report: 19, 578. GOP votes in Harris: 8,654.
Harris and environs are very strongly GOP. Oil bidness, Tom DeLay country, Bush's Texas "hometown" (Poppy, I mean), etc. That turnout number means something.
Rmj, Eminence Front |
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02.23.08 - 12:50 pm | #
Molly, she was here last night.
Her son is hospitalized, possibly with a diagnosis of bipolar disorder.
Has anyone heard from TJ? I don't have her email.
Molly Ivors, Blue
She checked in yesterday. Son was recovered on Monday, spent a couple of days in a dreadful facility, is now in a better one.
She seems much better.
WHEW!
V for Virginia, home again |
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02.23.08 - 12:51 pm | #
Has anyone heard from TJ? I don't have her email.
Molly Ivors
the kid is being evaluated for bi polar disorder. He was gone a total of ten days. {{{shudder}}} Must have been hell for the entire family.
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02.23.08 - 12:52 pm | #
Well, see it's not nice to blow up "civilians". So we call them rebels.
Happens on the West Bank, too.
Problem gone! See how well it works?
Adam Hominem, Prevert
Just as any police officer in Baghdad who commits a terrorist act is actually only "wearing a police uniform."
Labels and statistics make life so much more agreeable.
Rmj, Eminence Front |
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02.23.08 - 12:52 pm | #
Virginia, as I told her, I have the disorder myself. Doesn't preclude a great life.
Just because mine's not exactly peachy at the moment doesn't mean it's still not a great life.
Hmmm, doubt it'd take 350lbs.
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Jeffraham Prestonian
Depends on your wood.
scurries away
Jesus X. Crutch |
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02.23.08 - 12:53 pm | #
Her son is hospitalized, possibly with a diagnosis of bipolar disorder.
Jeebus! Well, I'm glad he's not on the street anymore.
Thers and I had my teenage niece with us for a couple of years. When she ran away it was one of the most terrifying, disorienting experiences of my life. We never did get her back, but we talked her into staying with another relative for a while, at least.
Molly Ivors, Blue |
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02.23.08 - 12:53 pm | #
From every poll I've ever seen, if the voters would only vote we'd have reasonable gun and abortion laws, and probably no one would ever have heard the word "Republican".
So hooray for the high turnout!
Adam Hominem, Prevert |
02.23.08 - 12:53 pm | #
She checked in yesterday. Son was recovered on Monday, spent a couple of days in a dreadful facility, is now in a better one.
She seems much better
Thank the Goddess; I've been so worried for her. I know she must be incredibly relieved just to know where he is.
Hecate, Runnymeade Conspirator |
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02.23.08 - 12:53 pm | #
{{{{{Molly, my love}}}}}
Ah, what a pleasant crowd this morning! Can we just keep it like this ALL the time?
Silleigh |
02.23.08 - 12:54 pm | #
Just because mine's not exactly peachy at the moment doesn't mean it's still not a great life.
Sallyh, Grandmere Poissonniere
Nothing could be more reassuring than to hear from someone with a similar problem who is generally (current mess aside) flourishing.
V for Virginia, home again |
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02.23.08 - 12:54 pm | #
etc. That turnout number means something.
Rmj, Eminence Front
CoT, he's storing up favors like acorns in his cheeks.
Molly Ivors, Blue |
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02.23.08 - 12:55 pm | #
{{{{{Molly, my love}}}}}
Ah, what a pleasant crowd this morning! Can we just keep it like this ALL the time?
Silleigh | 02.23.08 - 12:54 pm | #
That would be so boring. Sometimes you have got to get hostile.
Shared Humanity |
02.23.08 - 12:55 pm | #
From every poll I've ever seen, if the voters would only vote we'd have reasonable gun and abortion laws, and probably no one would ever have heard the word "Republican".
So hooray for the high turnout!
Adam Hominem, Prevert
Cokie Roberts reassured me a week or so ago that nobody votes in the primaries, so the turnout numbers don't mean anything. She's quite sure the status will remain quo.
Any other result would be just too upsetting. I mean, as if the people are supposed to determine what happens in DC. Or Austin, for that matter.
The nerve!
Rmj, Eminence Front |
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02.23.08 - 12:55 pm | #
Azzawi should have already been re-instated in Iraq's security forces. But he's still languishing on the fringes, like many other ex-Baathists unsure of whether to join the new order or keep pining for the past.
The Saddam Hussein-era colonel, who asked to be identified by only his common tribal name for safety reasons, has seen others like him assassinated and kidnapped. So he stays mostly in his Baghdad home and says he's convinced that there is no place for him within the country's Shiite-led government.
Iraq's parliament passed a new law on Jan. 12 amending de-Baathification legislation – originally introduced by the US administrator L. Paul Bremer in 2003 to purge the government and security forces of senior members of Mr. Hussein's Baath Party – but critics say it is even stricter than the first and offers even fewer chances for thousands of embittered, high-ranking Baathists to return to the fold.
"The new law is twisted and incredibly unfair," says Azzawi. "I am filled with hope now more than ever that the Baath Party will lead Iraq again.
I wouldn't let Cokie Roberts suck my dick with a bag over her head.
Adam Hominem, Prevert |
02.23.08 - 12:57 pm | #
Rmj, but Cokie's a moron.
You left out a variable.
Sallyh, Grandmere Poissonniere
Did I mention I'll be meeting her in a few weeks?
I'm working on suppressing the reflexive response: "So, your eyes really are brown!"
Rmj, Eminence Front |
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02.23.08 - 12:57 pm | #
That would be so boring. Sometimes you have got to get hostile.
Seen enough "hostile" lately to last me through 2012. I'll take the "boring," tyvm.
Silleigh |
02.23.08 - 12:58 pm | #
Cokie Roberts reassured me a week or so ago that nobody votes in the primaries, so the turnout numbers don't mean anything. She's quite sure the status will remain quo.
try this experiment, RMJ.
Turn off NPR for a week.
see how you feel by the end of it.
Just one week.
watertiger |
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02.23.08 - 12:58 pm | #
Virginia, despite the current mess, I think I'm doing okay. Maybe not exactly flourishing at the moment, but most certainly surviving, and even enjoying at times.
Sallyh, Grandmere Poissonniere |
02.23.08 - 12:58 pm | #
I'm working on suppressing the reflexive response: "So, your eyes really are brown!"
Rmj, Eminence Front
Her nose probably stinks of shit. From being so far up Dubya's ass for so many years.
Adam Hominem, Prevert |
02.23.08 - 12:58 pm | #
NYT story: "in aftermath of article, mccain gathers donations"
hmmmmmmmmmmm, i don't jave my tinfoil hat on right now, but i could not help but wonder the 'timing' and how mccain was just about to drop public financing and how teh FEC slapped his hands...thanks, NYT, this is just what our side needed: a toothless easily attackable story which has both circled the repugnicant wagons around mccain AND given him the most cash in 24 hours yet
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02.23.08 - 12:58 pm | #
Watertiger, my life improved by an order of magnitude after I gave up NPR.
Sallyh, Grandmere Poissonniere |
02.23.08 - 12:59 pm | #
Rmj,
The high turnout is v. encouraging. It is true that more voters usually show up for the general than for the primaries, and if that trend holds, we ought to have a coat-tails kind of election, here. The recent Republican low turnout doesn't impress me as much as the earlier ones; now that McCain is the presumptive nominee, some Republicans who will show up for the general are likely sitting out the primaries.
Hecate, Runnymeade Conspirator |
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02.23.08 - 12:59 pm | #
thanks for th update on TJ
ErinPDX |
02.23.08 - 12:59 pm | #
Did I mention I'll be meeting her in a few weeks?
She used to shop where I worked nearly twenty years ago and was exceptionally pleasant to chat with.
She wasn't much of a celebrity then, so I don't know whether that's changed.
SteveLG |
02.23.08 - 12:59 pm | #
SteveLG, wonder if she's had plastic surgery since then
Sallyh, Grandmere Poissonniere |
02.23.08 - 1:00 pm | #
Rachel Maddow says that the high turn out is the unspoken story of this primary season.
I'll take her opinion over Cokie's anytime.
HoneyBearKellyGoGiants |
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02.23.08 - 1:00 pm | #
Turn off NPR for a week.
see how you feel by the end of it.
Just one week.
watertiger
Scott Simon reassured me this morning that the reason Castro has never allowed free speech in Cuba is because he's a bad man.
No mention of the 50 years of hostility from 90 miles away by the world's super-duper power, or the multiple assassination attempts and efforts to undermine the Cuban government, which just might have contributed to Castro's decision to hold onto power rather than hold out for democracy.
See how much simpler the world is when you reduce it to two dimensions? Good guys v. bad guys. It's all so much clearer now.
Rmj, Eminence Front |
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02.23.08 - 1:00 pm | #
some Republicans who will show up for the general are likely sitting out the primaries.
Hecate, Runnymeade Conspirator
That could be good news for Huckleberry, which might be good for us, should the convention be acrimonious.
My crystal ball does not have the benefit of Wicca, however. So I wouldn't trust it.
Adam Hominem, Prevert |
02.23.08 - 1:00 pm | #
stop
what's that sound
ErinPDX
I'm tellin' ya, it pushes everyone one of my "power to the people" buttons in the worst way. I'm keeping a lid on it because, you know. But seeing those kids march on that freeway lifted my spirits like I cannot tell you.
Too bad things had to come to this disastrous pass for it to happen, but people GET what results if you sit on your ass and don't think your vote matters. And believe they can help change things.
It makes me high.
V for Virginia, home again |
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02.23.08 - 1:00 pm | #
Scott Simon's a nice guy, too. Still see his wife and daughter from time to time. They do buy pretty crappy wine,though.
I'm another one who doesn't listen to NPR anymore and I've never missed it, for one minute.
Helps me stay polite when these folks are in shoppin'
SteveLG |
02.23.08 - 1:02 pm | #
See how much simpler the world is when you reduce it to two dimensions? Good guys v. bad guys. It's all so much clearer now.
Rmj, Eminence Front
The only decent music in this town, IMHO, occurs on the local NPR station (well, actually there are 3) in the a.m.
It's a real dilemma for me whether or not to support them, since some of the money goes to their odious news coverage as well.
Adam Hominem, Prevert |
02.23.08 - 1:03 pm | #
The high turnout is v. encouraging. It is true that more voters usually show up for the general than for the primaries, and if that trend holds, we ought to have a coat-tails kind of election, here. The recent Republican low turnout doesn't impress me as much as the earlier ones; now that McCain is the presumptive nominee, some Republicans who will show up for the general are likely sitting out the primaries.
Hecate, Runnymeade Conspirator
Well, it's hard to extrapolate from Texas nationally, but Texas Dems have had reason to be depressed for decades, now. The party has been generally spineless and worthless, and unsupportive of candidates across the board.
The fact that so many Dems are bothering to turn out early and vote in the primaries speaks volumes for the likely turnout in November, and, as you say, coat-tails at least in the state races. Dare I say this could herald Texas actually becoming a two-party state for the first time since Reconstruction? Maybe the first time ever.
i do too, the corporate proto-fascist government and asshole capitalists gone wild can 'derelicte my balls'!
mogwai |
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02.23.08 - 1:04 pm | #
Rachel Maddow says that the high turn out is the unspoken story of this primary season.
Yes! She's about the only person who ever mentions it, and she manages to slip it in usually an hour or so into the talking-head fests after a primary.
I'd like to see this as part of the coverage of every primary: a comparison of how many GOP votes were cast to how many Dem votes.
Silleigh |
02.23.08 - 1:04 pm | #
You know, I just flipped back here from Cheepnis, and something occurred to me. Haven't the Kurds--all them in Iraq--been the only functioning part of the country for several years? Where is this "rebel" crap coming from?
Molly Ivors, Blue |
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02.23.08 - 1:08 pm | #
bye for now
Moonbootica, Employed |
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02.23.08 - 1:08 pm | #
Leibniz, what fun.
Don't you keep a database of all your previous exams? I just go in and assemble from that, adding and deleting questions where necessary.
Rebel = terrorist. Makes it easier to sell this invasion to the US audience.
Anon |
02.23.08 - 1:09 pm | #
I see Nedra Pickler is right back on script.
WASHINGTON - Sen. Barack Obama's refusal to wear an American flag lapel pin along with a photo of him not putting his hand over his heart during the National Anthem led conservatives on Internet and in the media to question his patriotism.
Jesus H. Christ. Unbelievable.
sdf (Stu), Dodd for Majority L |
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02.23.08 - 1:09 pm | #
Watertiger, my life improved by an order of magnitude after I gave up NPR.
I keep wondering if the gerrymandering that's occurred will backfire on the Republicans.
Sallyh, Grandmere Poissonniere
Signs point to 'yes.'
Then there are things like the Gardasil mess, where Perry tried to impose it on people without offering to pay for it (Texas has the highest % of people without health ins., which wouldn't cover the $300 cost anyway; and we've got lots of people who couldn't pay that price). That didn't endear him to anybody.
Now he wants to force a HUGE transit line up from Mexico: 8 lanes or more of freeway, with separate (i.e., more) truck lanes AND space for passenger and freight train lines. Problem is, the rural folk whose land this would run on don't like it, and don't want to give up their property for it.
Then there's the border fence, which is about as popular as a whore in a church meeting, and Skeletor telling people those who oppose it just don't want their "view of the river" obstructed. Which means he knows nothing at all whereof he speaks. Lots of people along the border are, I suspect, starting to think Democrats look better than the GOP.
Pass the popcorn.
Rmj, Eminence Front |
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02.23.08 - 1:10 pm | #
I don't think I could live without NPR. I live in Bumfuck Egypt, KY and the other radio stations are country-pop, farm report, top 40, or "yew are goin' tew hail!".
I commute 40 minutes each way & NPR keeps me sane.
Willendorf Venus |
02.23.08 - 1:10 pm | #
See how much simpler the world is when you reduce it to two dimensions? Good guys v. bad guys. It's all so much clearer now.
just one week.
you won't go back, i swear.
now, i'm out of here.
watertiger |
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02.23.08 - 1:10 pm | #
Some people say that Nedra Pickler has sex with goats.
Richard |
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02.23.08 - 1:10 pm | #
"...and trying to pack to travel to a grants panel on Monday and Tuesday."
--leibniz, m
Oh goody. Maybe I'll get to be first.
mer |
02.23.08 - 1:11 pm | #
Thousands of Turkish troops, supported by aircraft and artillery, crossed into northern Iraq on Thursday in what appeared to be an escalation of their campaign to hunt down rebels of the Kurdistan Workers Party (PKK), believed to be sheltering in the remote mountain areas straddling the Turkish-Iraqi border.
The Turkish military said the ground operation started after warplanes and artillery attacked a number of targets inside Iraqi territory. Turkish television said up to 10,000 troops, backed by planes and helicopters, moved 16 miles beyond the border. Ankara said it had given Iraqi and US leaders advance warning.
A PKK spokesman said last night its fighters had killed 22 Turkish soldiers and wounded many more during clashes that continued yesterday. Neither the casualties nor the location of the fighting could be verified.
Senior Iraqi Kurdish officials last night played down the reports of a large-scale incursion, saying Turkish forces had entered the largely uninhabited area of Rykan, a few miles into Iraqi territory, and had since mostly returned across the border. "It was a show of force, designed to meet Turkish public opinion at home, and test the reaction of Baghdad and Washington. They were far from our forces," one official said.
The main border crossing between Turkey and Iraq was operating normally last night.
News of the operation brought calls for restraint from Britain, Europe and the US. Washington has effectively given the Turks a green light for limited military operations in the north and has been providing Turkey with satellite and other intelligence on PKK movements.
To hell with the popcorn. THAT calls for champagne and dancing in the streets!
Love to see any state hoist itself on that particular petard. Florida is gerrymandered out the wazoo, too.
Silleigh |
02.23.08 - 1:13 pm | #
There are fears that expanded Turkish military activities in the north could exacerbate tensions with Iraq's Kurds, undermining the only secure area in the country and damaging Iraq's territorial integrity. Britain urged Turkey to leave Iraqi territory as soon as possible.
Iraqi Kurdish officials were far more concerned about another incident on Thursday, when 12 Turkish tanks were confronted by Kurdish security forces as they tried to leave their base in a disused airport at Barmani, about 40 miles inside Iraq. Under an agreement with Kurdish leaders hammered out in the 1990s, the Turks have kept a few thousand troops in the north to "monitor" PKK movements.
Kurdish officials said the Turkish tanks had attempted to leave their base without first notifying local security forces. "It went against the conditions of the agreement and they were requested by our peshmerga to return to their base," said an aide to Kurdistan's regional president, Massoud Barzani.
who the hell puts their hand over heart during the national anthem? perhaps the pledge.
ErinPDX |
02.23.08 - 1:14 pm | #
Nedra:
Sen. Barack Obama's refusal to wear an American flag lapel pin along with a photo of him not putting his hand over his heart during the National Anthem led conservatives on Internet and in the media to question his patriotism.
I haven't put my hand over my heart during the National Anthem since the Viet Nam war.
The flag pin is a republic affectation. Cheap pins made in China.
Fuck you and the horse you rode in on, Neddie.
billy b |
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02.23.08 - 1:14 pm | #
Leibniz, I remember overheads. Tedious as fuck making those things.
I the mccainus pukes have gotten to the NYT.
Bjorn, needs a president |
02.23.08 - 1:15 pm | #
who the hell puts their hand over heart during the national anthem?
Yeah, what the hell are you supposed to do with your beer?
SteveLG |
02.23.08 - 1:15 pm | #
so to a wingnut patriotism means slapping your hand on a chest and wearing a lapel pin (no doubt made in China)
that seems pretty shallow to me
Moonbootica, Employed |
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02.23.08 - 1:15 pm | #
who the hell puts their hand over heart during the national anthem? perhaps the pledge.
ErinPDX
Thank you. I was never taught to do that -- only to stand for the nat'l anthem. Hand-on-heart was for the pledge, period.
Perhaps it's different in other parts of the country or something.
Silleigh |
02.23.08 - 1:16 pm | #
Sen. Barack Obama's refusal to wear an American flag lapel pin along with a photo of him not putting his hand over his heart during the National Anthem led conservatives on Internet and in the media to question his patriotism.
I wear an expensive, ornate brooche on my lapel and grab my groin with my gloved hand.
Micheal Jackson |
02.23.08 - 1:16 pm | #
I use to have a circle pin, but I've never had a flag pin.
mer |
02.23.08 - 1:16 pm | #
heck i refuse to sing the national anthem
Moonbootica, Employed |
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02.23.08 - 1:17 pm | #
...while digesting Readers' Digest in the back of the dirty book store...
SteveLG |
02.23.08 - 1:17 pm | #
The e-mail sent out by the Digital Brownshirts stated that Obama 'refused to put his hand on his heart during the peldege of allegiance'.
That along with the conflation of Obama swearing in on a bible and Keith Ellison swearing in on a Koran has the lizard brain set on Orange Alert.
The introduction of a compulsory national DNA database has been ruled out on ethical and legal grounds, the Home Office said today.
Fresh calls were made for a nationwide register to hold the DNA profiles of every citizen in the country following the convictions of Steve Wright, the Suffolk serial killer, and Mark Dixie, the murderer of Sally Anne Bowman.
Both men were convicted after DNA found on their victims was linked with samples they had supplied to the police national DNA database.
However, Lincolnshire chief constable, Tony Lake, who is also chairman of the national DNA database board, said today that he and many of his colleagues were not convinced of the need for a universal database.
"There are no government plans to introduce a universal compulsory, or voluntary, national DNA Database and to do so would raise significant practical and ethical issues," said a Home Office spokesman.
Policing minister Tony McNulty also outlined the position of the government on BBC Radio 4's Today programme, saying that it felt the balance was "about right" already on the question of the DNA database.
I'm sure some enterprising thing can find a youtube of mccainus picking his scabs during the national anthem.
Bjorn, needs a president |
02.23.08 - 1:18 pm | #
uhm... I think a heap of "whack-jobs" in left blogistan actually went so far in their predictions to include an eventual war involving the Turks and the Kurds - including me, but in my defense it was because I'd done some reading on the subject
Also I probably had been pointed to the history of the region's conflicts by one or more kooky and shrill left-wing blogger - I regret knowing all this crap in advance of it happening... and not getting paid like a pundit for my troubles
Nuts! just plain |
02.23.08 - 1:18 pm | #
who the hell puts their hand over heart during the national anthem? perhaps the pledge.
"First he kicked his American flag pin to the curb. Now Barack Obama has a new round of patriotism problems. Wait until you hear what the White House hopeful didn't do during the singing of the national anthem," said Steve Doocy, co-host of "Fox and Friends" on the Fox News Channel.
"He felt it OK to come out of the closet as the domestic insurgent he is," former radio host Mark Williams said on Fox.
Domestic insurgent, huh? Is Mark Williams Andrew Sullivan's Fox name?
Cult Fish Slap |
02.23.08 - 1:19 pm | #
Obama refuses to wear the black armband of the National Socialists too.
Traitor.
Is Leni Reifenstahl going to brought in to choreograph the GOP convention in Minnesota this year?
What is Cheepnis?
Cult Fish Slap |
02.23.08 - 1:21 pm | #
I think a heap of "whack-jobs" in left blogistan actually went so far in their predictions to include an eventual war involving the Turks and the Kurds - including me, but in my defense it was because I'd done some reading on the subject
I admit I thought it would happen sooner. Because it didn't happen soon after the 2003 invasion of Iraq, I kinda dismissed it. Now, it's like a slow-motion nightmare coming around again.
Anon |
02.23.08 - 1:21 pm | #
Hey Silleigh.
I watched the students marching youtube at the fez's site this morning, but didn't know the context. Even then, it made my heart happy. Now that I know why they were on the highway, wow!
mer |
02.23.08 - 1:21 pm | #
Let's turn Texas blue RMJ!
It's a bit of a long shot, but I'm going to work like hell to try and get VA to turn blue this election. If that happens, and those results will come in early since we're on the East Coast, pop the champagne and do the naked happy dance because it will be all over but the shouting.
Hecate, Runnymeade Conspirator |
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02.23.08 - 1:22 pm | #
If you had one of these, no problem.
That's just sad.
Anyway, I'd probably forget and place my cap over my heart and dump the whole thing on myself.
SteveLG |
02.23.08 - 1:23 pm | #
Domestic insurgent
And people wonder why I drink.
Hecate, Runnymeade Conspirator |
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02.23.08 - 1:23 pm | #
That along with the conflation of Obama swearing in on a bible and Keith Ellison swearing in on a Koran has the lizard brain set on Orange Alert.
That Koran came from Thomas Jefferson's collection.
I actually think these are standard patriot attire at sporting events.
Shared Humanity |
02.23.08 - 1:23 pm | #
Silleigh -- Florida is a gerrymandered mess, to be sure. It would be so great if we could lose John Fucking Mica. He's been thinking he's untouchable.
V for Virginia, home again |
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02.23.08 - 1:24 pm | #
That Koran came from Thomas Jefferson's collection.
I honestly don't believe most of the public is buying the crap the msm spews anymore. They wouldn't be voting for Democrats if they did. And they are voting for them in record numbers.
mer |
02.23.08 - 1:25 pm | #
Anyone looking for a scrabulous victim?
V for Virginia, home again |
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02.23.08 - 1:25 pm | #
Anyone looking for a scrabulous victim?
V for Virginia, home again
Damned facebook never did send me a confirmation email. I'll try again tomorrow.
'sides, I gots ta go sell wine.
SteveLG |
02.23.08 - 1:26 pm | #
The GOP-ers have been saying the MSM lies for what, 30 years now.
I'll probably be able to work you into my schedule pretty much any old time, sweetie.
V for Virginia, home again |
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02.23.08 - 1:28 pm | #
I just looked up "National Anthem" on youtube and I see cameras panning through Superbowl crowds, and a few people with their hands on their hearts but not many.
OTOH, this is kinda cute -- man, nothing against Hillary, but she REALLY cannot sing!
I honestly don't believe most of the public is buying the crap the msm spews anymore. They wouldn't be voting for Democrats if they did. And they are voting for them in record numbers.
mer
couldn't agree more - there's a new silent majority out there and they know they've been lied to and their trust abused - they will not vote R for anything.
pickler's framing would only confirm their suspicions - a flag pin?!?!?! Come on! at this point who cares what the 19% or whatever number they are think? fuck them, fuck harold ford!
Nuts! just plain |
02.23.08 - 1:33 pm | #
Harold Ford is this years Joe Lieberman, who was last years Zell Miller.
Silleigh, on Facebook. I signed up, but I don't have any friends yet.
mer |
02.23.08 - 1:38 pm | #
Forgive my ignorance, but you guys are playing Scrabble online WITH EACH OTHER? I keep seeing allusions to this...
Silleigh
On facebook. And facebook doesn't have to know anything about you (ql and I are super-incognito) -- you just need an account.
It's fun! Even though I get my ass handed to me on a regular basis!
V for Virginia, home again |
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02.23.08 - 1:38 pm | #
I would think wanting to bomb paki would be a plus in freeperland.
Bjorn, needs a president
Only if they propose it.
Just Another Zero |
02.23.08 - 1:39 pm | #
mer look for me on NTodd's friends list.
You can tell it's me by the pic.
HoneyBearKellyGoGiants |
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02.23.08 - 1:39 pm | #
mer -- friend me! If you know of anyone's name, I'm the only Virginia that i know of on their friends lists.
V for Virginia, home again |
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02.23.08 - 1:39 pm | #
Some people say that Nedra Pickler has sex with goats.
Richard
I believe that our tentacled overlords have declared "piglet raping" to be the appropriate meme.
JR, kerosene and a match |
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02.23.08 - 1:39 pm | #
--No accomplishments
--All talk
--Wants to bomb Pakistan
--Wants to embrace Castro, Ahmadinijad,etc
r m | 02.23.08 - 1:35 pm | #
Sounds like correntewire or talkleft or taylor marsh.
rootless-e |
02.23.08 - 1:39 pm | #
Fella realized during an early game, while we were playing and had music on in the background, that I kept throwing down words that were part of the song lyrics. Before the next match he burned me a CD that he called "Songs To Play Scrabble By." It was all instrumentals.
Prior A asked me if I'd joined Facebook, and I looked and got squeamish at all the info they wanted, but apparently I should revisit this.
Silleigh |
02.23.08 - 1:42 pm | #
Silleigh you can lie.
They only check your e-mail addy.
HoneyBearKellyGoGiants |
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02.23.08 - 1:43 pm | #
From today's WaPo article:
Iseman, 40, was raised on a farm outside of Homer City, Pa., and attended Indiana University of Pennsylvania, graduating in 1990 with a degree in elementary education.
She went to Washington and got a job as a receptionist at Alcalde & Fay in Northern Virginia. Within a year, she had risen to special assistant to the firm's president. She was later promoted to lobbyist and was made the youngest partner in the firm in the late 1990s. She specialized in telecom issues, and one of her primary clients was Florida-based Paxson, which was rapidly purchasing a series of broadcast stations to create a national network.
Shaw Kenawe |
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02.23.08 - 1:43 pm | #
--No accomplishments
--All talk
--Wants to bomb Pakistan
--Wants to embrace Castro, Ahmadinijad,etc
--Is secretly a scary Muslim
Gomez |
02.23.08 - 1:44 pm | #
Silleigh, on Facebook. I signed up, but I don't have any friends yet.
mer
Look for NTodd or El Quilt, send an invite and you'll have friends.
qlª |
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02.23.08 - 1:44 pm | #
Prior A asked me if I'd joined Facebook, and I looked and got squeamish at all the info they wanted, but apparently I should revisit this. Silleigh
I use my stage name and declined everything that was declinable - not too bad.
JeffCO |
02.23.08 - 1:44 pm | #
I am off to make a Facebook account.
My kids will laugh at me, but THEY have LJs.
Silleigh |
02.23.08 - 1:44 pm | #
Iseman, 40, was raised on a farm outside of Homer City, Pa.
It could be worse, she was raised five miles away from a town called Blacklick.
Gomez |
02.23.08 - 1:45 pm | #
They only check your e-mail addy.
HoneyBearKelly?GoGiants | Homepage | 02.23.08 - 1:43 pm | #
I use an anonymous email addy from operamail.com
qlª |
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02.23.08 - 1:45 pm | #
I refuse to go on Facebook.
They steel ur soul.
Gomez |
02.23.08 - 1:46 pm | #
heck i refuse to sing the national anthem -Moonbootica
I like the national anthems on BBC 6 radio.
JeffCO |
02.23.08 - 1:46 pm | #
ql -- your turn
V for Virginia, home again |
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02.23.08 - 1:46 pm | #
heck i refuse to sing the national anthem -Moonbootica
But you have a nice one.
Ours can only be sung by giraffes.
Gomez |
02.23.08 - 1:47 pm | #
I heard that only NERDS have Facebook accounts. I myself am too cool.
Thers |
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02.23.08 - 1:49 pm | #
Also, I screwed up the registration and am too lazy to try again.
Thers |
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02.23.08 - 1:49 pm | #
A view of Obama from Der Spiegel--seen more as a dot com flare than a viable endeavor.
...if Obama is elected he will eventually be forced to disappoint his voters. Politics in a democratic society is a balancing of interests, not a revivalist meeting. It takes finesse, experience and power to transform ideas into reality. Hope and optimism can enhance these qualities, but they cannot replace them. Obama's message is more of a promise to heal the nation than a campaign platform.
The future Obama is promising seems foggy and indistinct. He wants to change the rules of engagement in politics, but he neglects to explain how and in what direction. He wants to write a new page in the history books, but what handwriting does he plan to use to make his entry? He wants to drive out lobbyists, but if he does, who will champion the interests of union members, war veterans and chemical corporations? He wants to negotiate with the world's dictators, but to what end, exactly?
In fact, Obama's most dangerous land mines are hidden in foreign policy. SNIP
But there is no room for thoughtfulness in the turbulent world of Obamania. Hillary Clinton, his rival in the fight for the Democratic nomination, suffers from the same problems as traditional companies in the automotive and engineering industries did when confronted with the hype of the New Economy. She is out of touch with his supporters. She uses language to explain, while Obama uses rhetoric to intoxicate. She tells voters what she is bringing to the table. He tells them what they can become. If Clinton is a solid stock, Obama is an option. If she's a secure investment, he is speculation.
jawbone |
02.23.08 - 1:49 pm | #
--Is secretly a scary Muslim
Gomez | 02.23.08 - 1:44 pm |
Worse, he's a commie Muslim.
Buckeye, Dealer of Rare Coins |
02.23.08 - 1:50 pm | #
Ours can only be sung by giraffes.
We're thinking of changing it to George Micahel's Freedom.
JeffCO |
02.23.08 - 1:50 pm | #
--Is secretly a scary Muslim
Gomez
You forgot "is a part of a communist plot to mix the races"
JR, kerosene and a match |
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02.23.08 - 1:50 pm | #
I heard that only NERDS have Facebook accounts. I myself am too cool.
Thers
Only kool kidz have Facebook accounts.
You get one with your third "My Little Pony".
JR, kerosene and a match |
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02.23.08 - 1:51 pm | #
I myself think Obama has run the perfect campaign.
Its the media that has fucked it up.
Gomez |
02.23.08 - 1:51 pm | #
I refuse to go on Facebook.
They steel ur soul.
Gomez | 02.23.08 - 1:46 pm |
Steelers fans have souls?
Buckeye, Dealer of Rare Coins |
02.23.08 - 1:51 pm | #
Also, I screwed up the registration and am too lazy to try again. Thers
I know your name is Rita 'cause your perfume's smelling sweeter since when I saw you down on the floor.
JeffCO |
02.23.08 - 1:52 pm | #
What is it with you and Obama, Gomez?
plantsman, silly |
Homepage |
02.23.08 - 1:52 pm | #
I'm thinking of starting a site called FaceSpace.
Gomez |
02.23.08 - 1:52 pm | #
--Is secretly a scary Muslim
Gomez
You forgot "is a part of a communist plot to mix the races"
JR, kerosene and a match | Homepage | 02.23.08 - 1:50 pm |
I was trying to explain Schiffren's article to my friend. He kept laughing.
Buckeye, Dealer of Rare Coins |
02.23.08 - 1:53 pm | #
OK, off to shower & buy cold medicine...
Thers |
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02.23.08 - 1:53 pm | #
Watching the Black State of the Union on Cspan today. Second session at 2pm eastern features Cornel West & Al Sharpton...
First session was owned by Eric Dyson. Will post youtube when it's up...
Great discussion on Obama, Clinton, race, gender, etc...
Elias B. Pissed. |
02.23.08 - 1:53 pm | #
What is it with you and Obama, Gomez?
plantsman, silly
I think he's the best candidate, but I don't want Hillary to lose.
Gomez |
02.23.08 - 1:53 pm | #
German racism at its haughty best.
plantsman, silly |
Homepage |
02.23.08 - 1:53 pm | #
The future Obama is promising seems foggy and indistinct.
If he doesn't immediately clear out every single goddam Cheney apparatchik on day one, he will undergo a foggy bottom breakdown.
JeffCO |
02.23.08 - 1:54 pm | #
I myself think Obama has run the perfect campaign.
Commodity fetishism is not new.
Cult Fish Slap |
02.23.08 - 1:54 pm | #
Afternoon, chiropterans!
I'm anonymous (using fake info) on Facebook, just like everywhere else I am online.
There are two Eschaton Facebook groups, one called Atriots and one called Eschaton readers. They have a large amount of overlap but were started by different (well known) individuals.
Tralfaz |
Homepage |
02.23.08 - 1:54 pm | #
Hillary as a storied Senator from New York leading a Democratic Senate suits me fine, personally.
plantsman, silly |
Homepage |
02.23.08 - 1:55 pm | #
I think he's the best candidate, but I don't want Hillary to lose.
I am still not convinced he would be a better Pres than Hillary, but there is no doubt he has run rings round her as a campaigner.
JeffCO |
02.23.08 - 1:55 pm | #
"If he doesn't immediately clear out every single goddam Cheney apparatchik"
Purges? Will there be camps in the arctic?
EkCenTriK |
02.23.08 - 1:55 pm | #
The possibility that Obama will ride into office on a landslide and reinstitute liberalism and administer it as it should be is so appealing I may get over my wish that Hillary not lose.
Gomez |
02.23.08 - 1:56 pm | #
:Sen. Barack Obama's refusal to wear an American flag lapel pin along with a photo of him not putting his hand over his heart during the National Anthem led conservatives on Internet and in the media to question his patriotism."
Good afternoon, friends.
It's all SHOW with the right, isn't it?
Nothing patriotic about them. They don't give a damn about people. They just care about symbols (flag, lapel pins) and stupid posturing like hands over the heart.
Terry C - No More Repugs! |
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02.23.08 - 1:56 pm | #
They have a large amount of overlap but were started by different (well known) individuals.
Who just happen to top the FBI's most wanted list.
Richard |
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02.23.08 - 1:56 pm | #
Atrios, did you just "yadda yadda" Turkey invading Iraq?
Did he just yadda yadda us?
I think he just yadda yaddad the entire group!
Elias B. Pissed. |
02.23.08 - 1:57 pm | #
The possibility that Obama will ride into office on a landslide and reinstitute liberalism and administer it as it should be is so appealing I may get over my wish that Hillary not lose.
Gomez
I will support whoever the party nominates.
If that is Senator Barack Obama, so be it.
Terry C - No More Repugs! |
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02.23.08 - 1:57 pm | #
Here's what I hope, fervently: That Obama gets the best possible experienced advisors into his administration, people who have all that geeky knowledge of different areas of the world and people who know how to negotiate. To fill in the nutritional requirements.
Echidne |
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02.23.08 - 1:58 pm | #
Hillary is scheduled to address the Union later today, approx 5pm...be VERY VERY interested to hear the reception...
Elias B. Pissed. |
02.23.08 - 1:58 pm | #
plantsman I sent you a friend request.
HoneyBearKellyGoGiants |
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02.23.08 - 1:58 pm | #
Hey, Obama COULD sing the national anthem and make a mess out of it like Denny Hassert.
Who didn't know the goddamn words to it.
Terry C - No More Repugs! |
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02.23.08 - 1:59 pm | #
Sen. Barack Obama's refusal to wear an American flag lapel pin along with a photo of him not putting his hand over his heart during the National Anthem led conservatives on Internet and in the media to question his patriotism.
They'd be much happier if he wore a swastika armband and had is right arm raised at a 45 degree angle.
Apprentice to Darth Holden |
02.23.08 - 1:59 pm | #
What is Cheepnis?
Cult Fish Slap
"Cheapness" is a Frank Zappa song I like.
Terry C - No More Repugs! |
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02.23.08 - 1:59 pm | #
"That Obama gets the best possible experienced advisors into his administration, people who have all that geeky knowledge of different areas of the world and people who know how to negotiate."
The "My Pet Goat" analysts will be looking for new jobs then.
EkCenTriK |
02.23.08 - 1:59 pm | #
I don't think the attack machine can bring down charismatic candidates like Obama and Bill Clinton, only stiffs like Dukakis, Gore and Kerry.
Gomez |
02.23.08 - 1:59 pm | #
Good afternoon, friends.
Greetings and salutations...
Elias B. Pissed. |
02.23.08 - 2:00 pm | #
T - I - G - E - R - S, TIGERS!
Bas-O-Matic |
02.23.08 - 2:00 pm | #
Will there be camps in the arctic?
EkCenTriK
Keep them the fuck away from our border.
And I prefer to think of them as "reserves", rather than "camps".
You know, where they can make tchotchkes for the tourists and perform their colourful native dances....
JR, kerosene and a match |
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02.23.08 - 2:01 pm | #
Thanx, HBK. When I get it, we're friend-ed!
plantsman, silly |
Homepage |
02.23.08 - 2:01 pm | #
I refuse to go on Facebook.
They steel ur soul.
From what I gather, they sell your soul...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/
Fac...rivacy_concerns
There have been some concerns expressed regarding the use of Facebook as a means of surveillance and data mining. Theories have been written about the possible misuse of Facebook[99] and privacy proponents have criticised the site's current privacy agreement.[100] According to the policy, "We may use information about you that we collect from other sources, including but not limited to newspapers and Internet sources such as blogs, instant messaging services and other users of Facebook, to supplement your profile." However, some features—such as AIM away-message harvesting and campus newspaper monitoring—have been dropped and Facebook has since responded to the concerns. Facebook has assured worried users the next privacy policy will not include the clause about information collection and has denied any data mining is being done "for the CIA or any other group."[101] However, the possibility of data mining by private individuals unaffiliated with Facebook remains open, as evidenced by the fact that two MIT students were able to download, using an automated script, over 70,000 Facebook profiles from four schools (MIT, NYU, the University of Oklahoma, and Harvard) as part of a research project on Facebook privacy published on December 14, 2005.[102]
Another clause that some users are critical of reserves the right to sell users' data to private companies, stating "We may share your information with third parties, including responsible companies with which we have a relationship." This concern has also been addressed by spokesman Chris Hughes who said "Simply put, we have never provided our users' information to third party companies, nor do we intend to."[103] It is unclear if Facebook plans to remove that clause as well.
Third party applications have access to almost all user information and "Facebook does not screen or approve Platform Developers and cannot control how such Platform Developers use any personal information."[100]
Richard |
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02.23.08 - 2:01 pm | #
Purges? Will there be camps in the arctic?
They don't need to be exiled - they just need to be fired. He's spent 7 years stuffing his unqualified young party hacks into every office of every department and made things unpleasant enough for a lot of good people to quit. Taking back the Executive branch will entail getting rid of all the little Ben Domenech types we never heard about.
JeffCO |
02.23.08 - 2:02 pm | #
It will be cool raising the taxes on the rich again.
Gomez |
02.23.08 - 2:02 pm | #
I don't think the attack machine can bring down charismatic candidates like Obama and Bill Clinton, only stiffs like Dukakis, Gore and Kerry.
Gomez
Compare Obama to McCain.
McStain looks like something they've exhumed after six months.
Terry C - No More Repugs! |
Homepage |
02.23.08 - 2:02 pm | #
Here's what I hope, fervently: That Obama gets the best possible experienced advisors into his administration...
It's essential to listen to African Americans views of Obama as they are expressed all day today on CPAN during the Black State of the Union symposium. Second session to start in 5 minutes...
The views of Obama are very diverse and complex in the black community.
Elias B. Pissed. |
02.23.08 - 2:03 pm | #
Obama's foreign policy adviser, Dr. Susan Rice, is a hechuva lot more sensible that another shoe-crazy Rice I could name.
plantsman, silly |
Homepage |
02.23.08 - 2:03 pm | #
Coorse, he's a commie Muslim.
Buckeye, Dealer of Rare Coins | 02.23.08 - 1:50 pm | #
And a robot.
Bjorn, needs a president |
02.23.08 - 2:03 pm | #
"You know, where they can make tchotchkes for the tourists and perform their colourful native dances...."
GooperGulag, the next must see Tourist Destination.
EkCenTriK |
02.23.08 - 2:04 pm | #
I want a president who puts people around him who are qualified for their jobs and knows what the hell they're doing.
And NOT people who have kissed his ass like Bush has done.
Terry C - No More Repugs! |
Homepage |
02.23.08 - 2:04 pm | #
T - I - G - E - R - S, TIGERS!
Bas-O-Matic |
02.23.08 - 2:04 pm | #
There have been some concerns expressed regarding the use of Facebook as a means of surveillance and data mining.
What about Myspace?
Elias B. Pissed. |
02.23.08 - 2:04 pm | #
Yay, I think I just joined Facebook, but not before I'd managed to deactivate the account before I'd even gotten logged in the first time.
Silleigh |
02.23.08 - 2:04 pm | #
The possibility that Obama will ride into office on a landslide and reinstitute liberalism and administer it as it should be is so appealing I may get over my wish that Hillary not lose.
Obama is a better empty signifier than Clinton is. She is too much fixed to symbolize the "change" that is hoped for. Obama is a noumenon.
Cult Fish Slap |
02.23.08 - 2:04 pm | #
Elias, cut the pseudo-Omniscient "it is essential" crap. You think it's essential.
plantsman, silly |
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02.23.08 - 2:04 pm | #
Purges? Will there be camps in the arctic?
They don't need to be exiled - they just need to be fired.
Hard to fire the non-political appointees.
Bjorn, needs a president |
02.23.08 - 2:05 pm | #
The possibility exists that if we lock up every Republican in jail, the workforce will not decrease at all.
Gomez |
02.23.08 - 2:05 pm | #
--Is secretly a scary Muslim
Gomez | 02.23.08 - 1:44 pm |
Worse, he's a commie Muslim.
Buckeye, Dealer of Rare Coins
He scares the Austin Dog Burner.
Then again, what/who doesn't?
Terry C - No More Repugs! |
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02.23.08 - 2:05 pm | #
Cult Fish Slap IS SO MUCH smarter than ANYONE who supports Obama.
plantsman, silly |
Homepage |
02.23.08 - 2:05 pm | #
"Yay, I think I just joined Facebook, but not before I'd managed to deactivate the account before I'd even gotten logged in the first time."
--Silleigh
Well, I've got an account, but seems I'm not able to make friends. Poor ql, she either has 20 tries or none. I'm guessing none.
mer |
02.23.08 - 2:06 pm | #
Turkey invading Iraq was an inevitability.
Because the intentional destruction of the Iraqi central government would lead to a defacto Kurdish state, which would inevitably draw the attention of the Turks, since the Kurds live in northern Iraq, southeastern Turkey, and northwesterin Iran.
Another thing we can blame the asshole Brits and French at Versailles for.
Apprentice to Darth Holden |
02.23.08 - 2:07 pm | #
Here's what I hope, fervently: That Obama gets the best possible experienced advisors into his administration, people who have all that geeky knowledge of different areas of the world and people who know how to negotiate. To fill in the nutritional requirements.
I hope Samantha Power stays with Obama, if he gets the presidency. I hope Obama gets different economic advisers, though.
Cult Fish Slap |
02.23.08 - 2:07 pm | #
Go Tigers Go, Go On To Victory,
Be A Winner Thru And Thru;
Fight Tigers, Fight Cause We're
Going All The Way --
Fight, Fight
For The Blue And Gray And Say --
Let's Go Tigers Go,
Go On To Victory.
See Our Colors Bright And True;
It's Fight Now Without A Fear,
Fight Now Let's Shout A Cheer,
Shout For Dear Memphis U.
(Yell)
Go Tigers Go
Go Tigers Go
Yea -- Tiger Go!
Bas-O-Matic |
02.23.08 - 2:07 pm | #
The next few presidents are going to have a Herculean job trying to fix up the messes.
Bush has turned the world into the Augean Stables.
Terry C - No More Repugs! |
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02.23.08 - 2:07 pm | #
Well, I've got an account, but seems I'm not able to make friends.
I'll be your friend, mer.
Gomez |
02.23.08 - 2:07 pm | #
Elias, cut the pseudo-Omniscient "it is essential" crap. You think it's essential.
plantsman, silly
Now you're just being "silly, plantsman"
ha.
ha Ha.
Ha Ha HAH!
HAH HAH HAH HAH!!!
Elias B. Pissed. |
02.23.08 - 2:08 pm | #
I heard last night that hundreds of thousands of hispanic legal immigrants won't be be able to vote because their paperwork can't be processed on time. If the polls had been different I wonder what would have happened.
Lumpenprolitariot,Twisted |
02.23.08 - 2:08 pm | #
When I joined Facebook (for Scrabulous) I was overwhelmed at first by the ridiculous questions and opportunities it kept throwing at me. Once I decided not to answer those, it got much better and more bearable.
plantsman, silly |
Homepage |
02.23.08 - 2:08 pm | #
Congrats HBK - had a couple of good words and kept waiting for a better place to play them Greedy.
qlª |
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02.23.08 - 2:08 pm | #
OK, off to shower & buy cold medicine...
Thers
___________________________________
I can't take cold medicine. That's why I keep my pill bottles on the radiator.
[rim shot]
You'll never guess what I do when I want to see time fly.
Visitor Online |
02.23.08 - 2:08 pm | #
The views of Obama are very diverse and complex in the black community.
Thanks for the insight, Captain Obvious.
Cult Fish Slap |
02.23.08 - 2:08 pm | #
Here's what I hope, fervently: That Obama gets the best possible experienced advisors into his administration, people who have all that geeky knowledge of different areas of the world and people who know how to negotiate. To fill in the nutritional requirements.
GEEKY is GOOD.
Terry C - No More Repugs! |
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02.23.08 - 2:08 pm | #
mer look for me on ql's list.
HoneyBearKellyGoGiants |
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02.23.08 - 2:08 pm | #
It would be cool if they made Obama Girl press secretary.
Gomez |
02.23.08 - 2:08 pm | #
So funny I forgot to laugh, troll.
plantsman, silly |
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02.23.08 - 2:09 pm | #
Poor ql, she either has 20 tries or none. I'm guessing none.
mer
I don't think I've heard from you. Do you use the same nym? try again and I'll look.
qlª |
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02.23.08 - 2:10 pm | #
I am still not convinced he would be a better Pres than Hillary, but there is no doubt he has run rings round her as a campaigner.
JeffCO
I'm not, either. I think he has a better chance of bludgeoning the 'thugs, judging by the turnout and manifest enthusiasm, but even that could fall short, since anything can happen in the endlessly long 8 months until November.
Still, I like having two candidates that I can live with.
V for Virginia, home again |
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02.23.08 - 2:11 pm | #
Lewis Lapham.
He'd ask corporate fucktards like David Gregory why they're not asking more intelligent questions, and then following up when he gives them vague answers.
Apprentice to Darth Holden |
02.23.08 - 2:11 pm | #
I think he's the best candidate, but I don't want Hillary to lose.
I am still not convinced he would be a better Pres than Hillary, but there is no doubt he has run rings round her as a campaigner.
JeffCO | 02.23.08 - 1:55 pm
He is. And campaigning isn't the same as actually running the country.
I have no clue how either Obama or Hillary would actually run the country.
Buckeye, Dealer of Rare Coins |
02.23.08 - 2:11 pm | #
Klatu Obama Nikto
Terry C - No More Repugs! |
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02.23.08 - 2:12 pm | #
Obviously it would be stupid to insist that all Serbians are racist, but Serbia is a deeply racist and xenophobic nation and many Serbians buy into it.
rootless-e
Having been to Serbia, I can say that's patently untrue and a completely bullshit statement for you to make.
Tread |
02.23.08 - 2:12 pm | #
How about FaceAss?
Gomez
Assface!
Michael Jackson |
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02.23.08 - 2:12 pm | #
A Facebook controversy from a few months ago...
http://www.pcworld.com/
businessc...ontroversy.html
In the wake of Facebook's disastrous Beacon advertising program, privacy experts wonder if the company's overzealous use of customer information will force corporate IT departments to analyze how their corporate data intersects with the social networking trend.
On Dec. 5, Facebook CEO Mark Zuckerberg apologized in his blog for the Beacon program, which tracked the purchases of Facebook users on third-party websites such as Overstock.com and Fandango.com. The information about those purchases was then pushed to friends of that user on their respective Facebook homepages. As an example, if one person booked a movie ticket on Fandango, his or her friends might get a notification that showed his purchase.
The program was criticized by progressive advocacy group Moveon.org, which quickly garnered nearly 70,000 signatures in opposition to the Beacon service for not having an adequate opt-out function. Zuckerberg announced in his apology that an opt-out is now possible.
By all measures, users pushed back more than Facebook anticipated. Though people commonly believe the young demographic that has evangelized social networks like Facebook and MySpace would subscribe to a no-holds-barred sharing policy, in reality it wants to share information on its own terms, says Larry Ponemon, founder of the Ponemon Institute, a privacy and business ethics think tank. "They view social networks as a private organization," he says. "It's groups or people you know who you choose to share information with."
Richard |
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02.23.08 - 2:13 pm | #
I have no clue how either Obama or Hillary would actually run the country.
Better than it is run now, given that it's not run at all, except to ground. But yes, being a good campaigner is not necessarily the same as being good at governing. The latter is more prosaic on the average day.
Echidne |
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02.23.08 - 2:13 pm | #
It would be cool if they made Obama Girl press secretary.
She didn't even bother to vote.
bloggus |
02.23.08 - 2:13 pm | #
I have no clue how either Obama or Hillary would actually run the country.
Buckeye, Dealer of Rare Coins
Either one of them are far superior to the mental midget the SCOTUS foisted on this country in 2000
Terry C - No More Repugs! |
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02.23.08 - 2:13 pm | #
Steve Warshak, whose conviction was reported Friday by The Cincinnati Enquirer, is founder and president of Berkeley Premium Nutraceuticals, which distributes Enzyte and a number of products alleged to boost energy, manage weight, reduce memory loss and aid restful sleep.
Television ads for Enzyte feature "Smiling Bob," a goofy, grinning man whose life gets much better after he uses the product, which allegedly boosted his sexual performance.
Warshak, 40, could face more than 20 years in prison and his company could have to forfeit tens of millions of dollars.
Messages seeking comment from Warshak's Boston attorney Martin Weinberg and Assistant U.S. Attorney Anne Porter were left at their offices Friday night.
Prosecutors claimed customers were bilked out of $100 million through a series of deceptive ads, manipulated credit card transactions and the company's refusal to accept returns or cancel orders. They said unauthorized credit card charges generated thousands of complaints over unordered products.
It would be cool if they made Obama Girl press secretary.
Gomez
Keith Olberman.
Obama Girl would make a fine statue of Justice, though....
JR, kerosene and a match |
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02.23.08 - 2:14 pm | #
The notion of a Greater Serbia is indeed xenophobic, as were Serbian aspirations to control as much of the former Yugoslavia after it disintegrated. Mass graves and genocide don't lie.
plantsman, silly |
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02.23.08 - 2:14 pm | #
He is. And campaigning isn't the same as actually running the country.
I have no clue how either Obama or Hillary would actually run the country.
Buckeye, Dealer of Rare Coins
Would you like to have a beer with either of them?
Terry C - No More Repugs! |
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02.23.08 - 2:15 pm | #
Prosecutors claimed customers were bilked out of $100 million through a series of deceptive ads, manipulated credit card transactions and the company's refusal to accept returns or cancel orders. They said unauthorized credit card charges generated thousands of complaints over unordered products.
So the real crime remains unaddressed.
JR, kerosene and a match |
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02.23.08 - 2:15 pm | #
Sorry -
Either one of them IS far superior to the mental midget the SCOTUS foisted on this country in 2000
Terry C - No More Repugs! |
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02.23.08 - 2:15 pm | #
To be fair, lots of nations are xenophobic. The Chinese are, on the whole. The Saudis certainly are.
Echidne |
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02.23.08 - 2:15 pm | #
Prosecutors claimed customers were bilked out of $100 million through a series of deceptive ads, manipulated credit card transactions and the company's refusal to accept returns or cancel orders. They said unauthorized credit card charges generated thousands of complaints over unordered products.
YOU MEAN IT DIDN'T MAKE THEIR DICKS BIGGER?
Gomez |
02.23.08 - 2:15 pm | #
So the real crime remains unaddressed.
What, JeffCO's evil plays in Scrabble?
NTodd, Änti-VNF |
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02.23.08 - 2:16 pm | #
It would be cool if they made Obama Girl press secretary.
Gomez
Lewis Black.
Or George Carlin.
Terry C - No More Repugs! | Homepage | 02.23.08 - 2:10 pm
George Clooney
Buckeye, Dealer of Rare Coins |
02.23.08 - 2:16 pm | #
The noumenon (plural: noumena) classically refers to an object of human inquiry, understanding or cognition. The term is generally used in contrast with, or in relation to, "phenomenon" (plural: phenomena), which refers to appearances, or objects of the senses. That which is perceived but not tangible.
Definition from Wiki; word from Cult Fish Slap @ 2:04.
jawbone |
02.23.08 - 2:16 pm | #
The notion of a Greater Serbia is indeed xenophobic, as were Serbian aspirations to control as much of the former Yugoslavia after it disintegrated. Mass graves and genocide don't lie.
Amen.
It seems that more than a handful of Serbians are racist.
Apprentice to Darth Holden |
02.23.08 - 2:17 pm | #
So, Cult Fish Slap is saying Obama is an illusion.
plantsman, silly |
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02.23.08 - 2:17 pm | #
To be fair, lots of nations are xenophobic. The Chinese are, on the whole. The Saudis certainly are.
Echidne | Homepage | 02.23.08 - 2:15 pm
Oh yes, nationalism isn't unique. But not every country commits genocide in the name of nationalism.
Buckeye, Dealer of Rare Coins |
02.23.08 - 2:17 pm | #
"Regardless of whether he was “insane” to begin with, he has gone through quite an ordeal since his arrest in Pakistan in March 2002. Shuttled through CIA “black sites” around the world, he was subjected to a sustained course of interrogation designed to instill what a CIA training manual euphemistically calls “debility, dependence and dread.” Zubaydah’s world became freezing rooms alternating with sweltering cells. Screaming noise replaced by endless silence. Blinding light followed by dark, underground chambers. Hours confined in contorted positions. And, as we recently learned, Zubaydah was subjected to waterboarding. We do not know what remains of his mind, and we will probably never know what he experienced."
I think I would rather have another WTC than be a party to this. I mean that doing this kind of thing claiming we MAY some time in the future stop another WTC by doing this makes about as much sense as doing a rain dance because it MAY produce rain.
pigboy |
02.23.08 - 2:18 pm | #
I have no clue how either Obama or Hillary would actually run the country.
Buckeye
I'm still not in the Obama camp yet but with his extraordinary oratory skills he has a good chance of being able to persuade the country to move to the left. If that's what he wants to do. We also know now that he has extraordinary organizing skills. This is good.
qlª |
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02.23.08 - 2:18 pm | #
George Clooney
Buckeye, Dealer of Rare Coins
Meooooooooooooooowwwwwr!
Terry C - No More Repugs! |
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02.23.08 - 2:18 pm | #
I have no clue how either Obama or Hillary would actually run the country.
Buckeye, Dealer of Rare Coins | 02.23.08 - 2:11 pm
I think I have some idea of how Clinton would govern--but I agree about Obama. Have no clue. Have hopes.
But not every country commits genocide in the name of nationalism.
Buckeye, Dealer of Rare Coins
Yep. There's religion.
Terry C - No More Repugs! |
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02.23.08 - 2:19 pm | #
The notion of a Greater Serbia is indeed xenophobic, as were Serbian aspirations to control as much of the former Yugoslavia after it disintegrated. Mass graves and genocide don't lie.
Amen.
It seems that more than a handful of Serbians are racist.
Apprentice to Darth Holden | 02.23.08 - 2:17 pm |
Sadly, nationalism is very embedded in Serb culture, as well as Croat culture. And until it is really addressed, and changed, that region will be screwed up for some time.
Buckeye, Dealer of Rare Coins |
02.23.08 - 2:19 pm | #
Oh yes, nationalism isn't unique. But not every country commits genocide in the name of nationalism.
No, but then not every country faces the particular set of circumstances which tend to provoke something like that. For instance, Rwanda had severe overpopulation, continuous fights over resources and land, and these facts put the hating groups much closer together than had been the case in the past. Then add to that a particular history of domination and the reversal in it, some emotional exhortations and you set the stage.
Echidne |
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02.23.08 - 2:19 pm | #
We also know, thanks to Conservatards, that Obama
"has the most liberal voting record in the Senate."
plantsman, silly |
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02.23.08 - 2:19 pm | #
So, Cult Fish Slap is saying Obama is an illusion.
plantsman, silly
I think he meant that we supposedly don't know what Obama stands for.
I disagree with that. Its all on his website. Campaign speeches are not meant to be boring policy discussions. They are meant to inspire.
We have a pretty good idea what Obama is for and against.
Gomez |
02.23.08 - 2:20 pm | #
Which makes me want to throttle the idiots who think birth control is "evil."
Terry C - No More Repugs! |
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02.23.08 - 2:21 pm | #
I dipped my toe in, and now I'm back.
Culture of TrÜth |
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02.23.08 - 2:21 pm | #
But not every country commits genocide in the name of nationalism.
Buckeye, Dealer of Rare Coins
Yep. There's religion.
Terry C - No More Repugs! | Homepage | 02.23.08 - 2:19 pm
Religion is often intwertwined with it, though the joke in ex-Yugo was that there was a religious war going on among Croats who didn't attend Mass, Serbs who didn't attend Mass and Muslims who didn't attend prayers.
Buckeye, Dealer of Rare Coins |
02.23.08 - 2:21 pm | #
Obama on CNN now.
Still sounds like he has a cold.
I can relate.
Culture of TrÜth |
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02.23.08 - 2:22 pm | #
That's what I got, too; that basically he's employing the argument for which Clinton got booed at the CNN/Univision debate.
plantsman, silly |
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02.23.08 - 2:22 pm | #
I think Obama is smart enough to pick good people for his administration.
Unlike Fuck-knuckle Bush.
Terry C - No More Repugs! |
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02.23.08 - 2:22 pm | #
Nobody Could Have Predicted
Unless you picked up a book at BN about the history of that region and how the Kurds and Turks...
[looks around nervously]
I'm gonna go now!
Monica_A:Proud Canadian |
02.23.08 - 2:22 pm | #
Still sounds like he has a cold.
I can relate.
Culture of TrÜth
So can I.
Have been hacking my lungs out for the last three days.
Terry C - No More Repugs! |
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02.23.08 - 2:22 pm | #
He sounds better with a cold than Dumbya on his best day.
plantsman, silly |
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02.23.08 - 2:23 pm | #
"Does it bother me that I was thrown under the bus to pay for the sins of the father?" Shuster asks rhetorically in the interview. "No. As somebody who's covered politics for a while, I understand all the forces that were in play." http://www.huffingtonpost.com/
20...hr_n_88060.html
No, David you were "thrown under the bus" for being an arrogant offensive sexist prick. The fact that Matthews has tenure doesn't change that.
Lumpenprolitariot,Twisted |
02.23.08 - 2:23 pm | #
CNN correspondent currently talking while some tests a mike in the background.
It's hilarious, don't ask me why.
Culture of TrÜth |
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02.23.08 - 2:23 pm | #
Oh yes, nationalism isn't unique. But not every country commits genocide in the name of nationalism.
No, but then not every country faces the particular set of circumstances which tend to provoke something like that. For instance, Rwanda had severe overpopulation, continuous fights over resources and land, and these facts put the hating groups much closer together than had been the case in the past. Then add to that a particular history of domination and the reversal in it, some emotional exhortations and you set the stage.
Echidne | Homepage | 02.23.08 - 2:19 pm |
I don't remember reading that Rwanda was severly overpopulated.
All the other ingredients, yes.
But other countries also can have situations that could lead to genocide, and somehow are able to throttle back. There was some seriously nationalist talk from the Hungarians concerning their ethnic kin in the neighboring countries, but they ended up backing off of the more imflammatory rhetoric.
Buckeye, Dealer of Rare Coins |
02.23.08 - 2:25 pm | #
"Thrown under the bus?'" Cripes, you were suspended for flatly saying with your idiotic choice of words that Chelsea Clinton is a whore being "pimped-out" by Senator and Former President Clinton, you moron.
Tweety's disease must be contagious.
plantsman, silly |
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02.23.08 - 2:27 pm | #
You know what's really funny? I, having only a bank account, credit card a healthy curiosity about life, and the addresses of my local bookstores, know more about the Middle East than my government with their unlimited resources. That's a damn shame.
Monica_A:Proud Canadian |
02.23.08 - 2:27 pm | #
That's what I got, too; that basically he's employing the argument for which Clinton got booed at the CNN/Univision debate.
plantsman, silly | Homepage | 02.23.08 - 2:22 pm
What is this referring to?
jawbone |
02.23.08 - 2:29 pm | #
Cripes, you were suspended for flatly saying with your idiotic choice of words that Chelsea Clinton is a whore being "pimped-out" by Senator and Former President Clinton, you moron.
But she's a Clinton. Can't I say whatever I want about her?
We also know, thanks to Conservatards, that Obama
"has the most liberal voting record in the Senate."
Perhaps, but they also have informed us that McCain is a liberal and the NYTimes spends all day trying to advance the liberal agenda.
JeffCO |
02.23.08 - 2:29 pm | #
Sadly, nationalism is very embedded in Serb culture, as well as Croat culture.
It's so embedded that the Serbs haven't managed to recover from a loss suffered 700 years ago.
They take victimhood to levels that the Israelis and Palestinians can only aspire to.
Apprentice to Darth Holden |
02.23.08 - 2:29 pm | #
Cult Fish Slap's glib dismissal of Barack Obama and his campaign and supporters.
He sounds like Mark Penn's evil twin.
plantsman, silly |
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02.23.08 - 2:30 pm | #
Shuster's attitude tells me MSNBC management didn't make much of an issue out of the pervasive sexism and misogyny at the station.
Or he's very dense.
I think the former.
jawbone |
02.23.08 - 2:30 pm | #
Tweety's disease must be contagious.
It also appears to be incurable.
The disease vector needs to be put down.
Apprentice to Darth Holden |
02.23.08 - 2:30 pm | #
"Does it bother me that I was thrown under the bus to pay for the sins of the father?"
No. You were punished because your mouth worked faster than your brain did.
NOT that Tweety et al should be permitted to get away with their bullshit.
Terry C - No More Repugs! |
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02.23.08 - 2:31 pm | #
well at least maybe he's pissed at Tweety.
Culture of TrÜth |
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02.23.08 - 2:31 pm | #
Sadly, nationalism is very embedded in Serb culture, as well as Croat culture.
It's so embedded that the Serbs haven't managed to recover from a loss suffered 700 years ago.
They take victimhood to levels that the Israelis and Palestinians can only aspire to.
Apprentice to Darth Holden | 02.23.08 - 2:29 pm |
It's so embedded that they're still using a battle from 1389 that they probably didn't lose and wasn't that important as an excuse to whine about how suffering they are.
Buckeye, Dealer of Rare Coins |
02.23.08 - 2:31 pm | #
Shuster's has always been Hardball's boy; so he's watched Chris get away with some really unsavory things.
plantsman, silly |
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02.23.08 - 2:31 pm | #
I don't think Rwanda had an overpopulation problem so much as a distribution/development of resources problem.
The land in that area is very productive.
The genocide was a political one, a real class war, engineered to mantain power.
Remind you of anything?
JR, kerosene and a match |
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02.23.08 - 2:32 pm | #
It's so embedded that they're still using a battle from 1389 that they probably didn't lose and wasn't that important as an excuse to whine about how suffering they are.
Buckeye
Cue the Irish...
JR, kerosene and a match |
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02.23.08 - 2:32 pm | #
Like I said, my daughter is a year younger than Chelsea.
If someone talked shit about her, I'd rip his fucking face off.
Terry C - No More Repugs! |
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02.23.08 - 2:33 pm | #
It's so embedded that they're still using a battle from 1389 that they probably didn't lose and wasn't that important as an excuse to whine about how suffering they are.
Buckeye
Cue the Irish...
JR, kerosene and a match
I never got that, either.
Terry C - No More Repugs! |
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02.23.08 - 2:34 pm | #
A gay who's homophobic and a Jew who's anti-Semitic.
The Roy Cohn Syndrome.
Terry C - No More Repugs! |
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02.23.08 - 2:35 pm | #
It's so embedded that they're still using a battle from 1389 that they probably didn't lose and wasn't that important as an excuse to whine about how suffering they are.
Buckeye
Cue the Irish...
JR, kerosene and a match | Homepage | 02.23.08 - 2:32 pm | #
I haven't read that much about the Irish/English. Only so much hatred I can take at a time.
Buckeye, Dealer of Rare Coins |
02.23.08 - 2:36 pm | #
He said a really stupid, "shock-jock" kind of thing in a very inappropriate setting, about someone he shouldn't have treated the way Imus treated people.
And he paid.
plantsman, silly |
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02.23.08 - 2:36 pm | #
I never got that, either.
Terry C
It's a Celt thing.
JR, kerosene and a match | Homepage | 02.23.08 - 2:35 pm
I have Welsh ancestry, as well as English ancestry.
Should I hate myself?
Buckeye, Dealer of Rare Coins |
02.23.08 - 2:36 pm | #
I never got that, either.
Terry C
It's a Celt thing.
JR, kerosene and a match
I'm part Irish and I never could understand why people held grudges over shit that happened centuries ago.
Terry C - No More Repugs! |
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02.23.08 - 2:37 pm | #
This is out and out vile.
Gomez
Everything that comes out of Weiner is vile. He should be hauled off to a psych facility in the interests of public safety.
JR, kerosene and a match |
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02.23.08 - 2:37 pm | #
I think he meant that we supposedly don't know what Obama stands for.
I mean that Obama as a presidential candidate is not knowable in the way that Clinton and McCain are knowable. Despite Obama's readily available position papers, his popularity derives from his identity as not fixed, and thereby able to represent what people project onto him and hope for themselves and others. He represents not himself, because he is not a fixed political entity in the way that Clinton and McCain are, but the empty space that disappointment in contemporary politics has created. That's not a criticism of him; I'm not saying that he is politically empty. He and Clinton are much the same in terms of policy. But he occupies a unique position politically.
Cult Fish Slap |
02.23.08 - 2:37 pm | #
Must go live life, but thank you guys for the Facebook/Scrabulous info. I can has Facebook friends awredy!
Silleigh |
02.23.08 - 2:37 pm | #
I have Welsh ancestry, as well as English ancestry.
Should I hate myself?
Buckeye, Dealer of Rare Coins
I'm of Irish and English descent.
And the Irish were both Catholic AND Protestant.
Terry C - No More Repugs! |
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02.23.08 - 2:38 pm | #
NYTimes follows up on the too close to lobbyists part of their story on St. McCain. This will be harder for the MCMers' mancrushes to overcome. But they can try to ignore it.
In late 1998, Senator John McCain sent an unusually blunt letter to the head of the Federal Communications Commission, warning that he would try to overhaul the agency if it closed a broadcast ownership loophole.
The letter, and two later ones signed by Mr. McCain, then chairman of the Senate Commerce Committee, urged the commission to abandon plans to close a loophole vitally important to Glencairn Ltd., a client of Vicki Iseman, a lobbyist. The provision enabled one of the nation’s largest broadcasting companies, Sinclair, to use a marketing agreement with Glencairn, a far smaller broadcaster, to get around a restriction barring single ownership of two television stations in the same city.
Looks like an article worth bookmarking under "McCain-NOT Straight Talking."
A review of the record, including agency records now at the National Archives and interviews with participants, shows that Mr. McCain, Republican of Arizona, played a significant role in killing the plan to eliminate the loophole. His actions followed requests by Ms. Iseman and lobbyists at other broadcasting companies, according to lobbying records and Congressional aides.
Damn, John! Those blanket denials sure look a little, uh, incorrect....
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02.23.08 - 2:38 pm | #
I'm not an Obama voter but this stuff is really crap. When you use symbols as a weapon against somebody to prove they are less patriotic than you are it only proves what a fuckhead you are. The rethugs have been doing this for eons.
warondandruff |
02.23.08 - 2:38 pm | #
I don't think Rwanda had an overpopulation problem so much as a distribution/development of resources problem.
The land in that area is very productive.
The genocide was a political one, a real class war, engineered to mantain power.
Remind you of anything?
JR, kerosene and a match | Homepage | 02.23.08 - 2:32 pm |
Most everything?
But that was Yugoslavia, nationalism whipped up by leaders who wanted to stay in power while communism was collapsing.
Buckeye, Dealer of Rare Coins |
02.23.08 - 2:38 pm | #
State of The Black Union live on Cspan from New Orleans.
Speaking of someone who has ancestors on every side of every conflict in the history of Britain, including the prehistoric stuff....
Fuck the whiny-ass Celts!
JR, kerosene and a match |
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02.23.08 - 2:39 pm | #
Everything that comes out of Weiner is vile. He should be hauled off to a psych facility in the interests of public safety.
JR, kerosene and a match
AFTER they scrub and disinfect him.
Terry C - No More Repugs! |
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02.23.08 - 2:41 pm | #
nationalism whipped up by leaders who wanted to stay in power while communism was collapsing.
Buckeye
And Rwanda was class war whipped up by leaders who wanted to stay in power. Generally these things are either about maintaining power in the face of collapse, or siezing power when there is a vacuum or weakness.
JR, kerosene and a match |
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02.23.08 - 2:41 pm | #
Panelists included Marxist Revolutionary Brother Cornel West.
sims
(sigh) jack, jack, jack!
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02.23.08 - 2:41 pm | #
"I'm aware of the long list of complaints the Clinton campaign had about people from MSNBC" (like Hardball host Chris Matthews), says Shuster. "Tensions were clearly building. I was at the wrong place at the right time, or the right place at the wrong time. I don't know which."
"I have the responsibility to make my point precisely and aggressively, without using coarse language. Clearly, it was inappropriate for a lot of viewers. I made a horrible mistake by allowing people to be distracted by some words rather than focus on the story."
It was inappropriate for a lot of viewers. What an ass.
Cult Fish Slap |
02.23.08 - 2:42 pm | #
But that was Yugoslavia, nationalism whipped up by leaders who wanted to stay in power while communism was collapsing.
That was the bottom line. The old "external threats" as a diversion for internal incompetence and corruption as a danger to the regime in power.
Gosh, that seems really familiar, close to home, now that I pause to think about it...
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02.23.08 - 2:42 pm | #
The rightwads are trying out their anti-Obama attacks to see what has staying power. These may not be the actual attacks they use during the general election, but trial water balloons (or shit balloons).
jawbone |
02.23.08 - 2:42 pm | #
Should I hate myself?
Buckeye
yes.
Speaking of someone who has ancestors on every side of every conflict in the history of Britain, including the prehistoric stuff....
Fuck the whiny-ass Celts!
JR, kerosene and a match | Homepage | 02.23.08 - 2:39 pm
I'm pretty sure that my mother's English side of her family (as opposed to my father's English side of the family) oppressed my paternal Welsh side.
I have no evidence of this, just basing it on the personality of my mother's relatives. They seemed the type to bureaucratically oppress people.
Buckeye, Dealer of Rare Coins |
02.23.08 - 2:43 pm | #
"Obama hates America:
I hate what America has become.
So come get me, fucktards!
Terry C - No More Repugs! |
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02.23.08 - 2:43 pm | #
The right-tard hate junkies are not going down without some really ugly stuff. Wonder how Rush will feel about St. John when he finds his aggrieved hero has feet of clay that are dirty, besides.
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02.23.08 - 2:43 pm | #
I made a horrible mistake by allowing people to be distracted by some words rather than focus on the story.
In short, Chelsea is still a 'ho, I just used the wrong words to describe her.
Apprentice to Darth Holden |
02.23.08 - 2:43 pm | #
Cornel West to Tavis Smiley, 'Brother your love for black people is undisputable and undeniable.'
sims |
02.23.08 - 2:43 pm | #
I'm aware of the long list of complaints the Clinton campaign had about people from MSNBC" (like Hardball host Chris Matthews), says Shuster. "Tensions were clearly building. I was at the wrong place at the right time, or the right place at the wrong time. I don't know which."
David, dear.
You fucked up. Apologize and move on.
Terry C - No More Repugs! |
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02.23.08 - 2:44 pm | #
But that was Yugoslavia, nationalism whipped up by leaders who wanted to stay in power while communism was collapsing.
That was the bottom line. The old "external threats" as a diversion for internal incompetence and corruption as a danger to the regime in power.
Gosh, that seems really familiar, close to home, now that I pause to think about it...
Apprentice to Darth Holden | 02.23.08 - 2:42 pm |
Scary people are coming to kill you! Vote for me, and we'll kill them first!
Buckeye, Dealer of Rare Coins |
02.23.08 - 2:44 pm | #
Cornel West quoting WEB Dubois, 'The condition of truth is allowing suffering to speak.'
sims |
02.23.08 - 2:44 pm | #
The rightwads are trying out their anti-Obama attacks to see what has staying power. These may not be the actual attacks they use during the general election, but trial water balloons (or shit balloons).
They have stated openly that they are waiting until the Democrats pick their nominee before they will launch their swiftboats.
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02.23.08 - 2:44 pm | #
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02.23.08 - 2:44 pm | #
These may not be the actual attacks they use during the general election, but trial water balloons (or shit balloons).
As election day grows nearer, the "OMG he's like Sheriff Bart" rhetoric will increase.
Apprentice to Darth Holden |
02.23.08 - 2:45 pm | #
Cornel West, 'Blues is an autobiographical chronicle of personal catastrophy.'
sims |
02.23.08 - 2:45 pm | #
Cornel West, 'No jazz without the blues.'
sims |
02.23.08 - 2:46 pm | #
" I was at the wrong place at the right time, or the right place at the wrong time. I don't know which."
David, that's pathetic, just so you know>
plantsman, silly |
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02.23.08 - 2:46 pm | #
Cornel West,'The nation now has the blues. People, you either learn something about the blues or lose your democracy.'
sims |
02.23.08 - 2:47 pm | #
QL, how do I get to Scrabble?
mer |
02.23.08 - 2:47 pm | #
Hoot!
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02.23.08 - 2:49 pm | #
They seemed the type to bureaucratically oppress people.
Buckeye/i>
Norman sheep shaggers.
My lot are more likely to be Saxon and Scandinavian, a few Celts and Picts....
And a visible strain of the folks the Celts tried to wipe out.
JR, kerosene and a match |
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02.23.08 - 2:50 pm | #
He said a really stupid, "shock-jock" kind of thing in a very inappropriate setting, about someone he shouldn't have treated the way Imus treated people.
And he paid.
plantsman, silly
He probably got a two week paid vacation. I wish me screwups were dealt with that way.
Lumpenprolitariot,Twisted |
02.23.08 - 2:50 pm | #
"Hey, was that someone famous? He sure was an asshole."
"Yeh," the server said. "He eats here pretty often."
"So is he someone famous? He looks familiar, kinda."
"Oh, him?" the server says. "That's Michael Savage."
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02.23.08 - 2:52 pm | #
On the Rwandan question: What I've read is that there was overpopulation in the relative sense: compared to the resources that had been available to each family in the past.
In some ways that's what is going on in the Israel-Palestine fights, too: lack of water and lack of good arable land for the numbers that are there.
These may not be the main reasons wars happen, but when you look at history you will find the scarcity aspect in many wars.
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