I'MMA LET YOU FINISH
aha
aha. Also.
Close but no segar!
Howdy.
/wink wink
Take on me!
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So that means that Douthat isn't "up and coming" anymore? Works for me.
Take me on?
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Take me on?
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Shit!! I forgot about losing the insurance.
I didn't have on anything under those waders.
Could it be that there are no good conservative ideas because the conservatives are idiots?
My PDA allows me to double post. Haloscan is so stoopit!
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There is a lengthy article about David Cameron, the great hope of the UK Conservative party, in today's NYT magazine. Haven't read it, but the upshot seems to be that the GOP is watching him and listening very carefully to his rhetoric.
Ha.
Failin' Palin's defenders claim that she was the most persecuted-by-the-media female politician ever. Which reminds me, whatever happened to Hillary Clinton after she left public life?
OK, dumb gravatar question. When you select a nickname at gravatar.com, is it supposed to be the one you post under? And then gravatar spots your post (here, say) and displays the image you selected?
Hillary who?
/s
Your gravatar is based on your email addy.
British MPs can express themselves quite well regardless of affiliation.
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Upsi, the gravatar looks for your email address, the one you put in the haloscan window. Not your nick, but the email address associated with your nick. And your email address doesn't show in your posts.
gravatar question.
Ok, use your email address in the email line
do a less than sign gravatar more than sign with no spaces.
NTodd, did you get my note about the Mythos grant?
Equally, there's this school in BC that I think you'd like to teach at. Peace studies + nerding.
upsi,
you tie your gravatar to an email address, and heloscan will fetch the grav if you enter that e-mail in then email box below your name in the comments.
Is there a trick to using google booksearch to get to the exact page you want?
Freepers refuse to apologize for calling Malia Obama 'a typical street whore'
Scumbags.
Your gravatar is based on your email addy.
AndyG
Yeah, but how does it connect the email addy and the image with the name I post under here?
You'll never believe this headline. It beggars belief. Are you all sitting down? I mean, it's incredible:
Goldman Sachs Likely to Post Huge Profits, Analysts Say
Inconceivable!
(and I do know what that word means, Inigo!)
Yeah, but how does it connect the email addy and the image with the name I post under here?
No.
Terrorist hoof-bump.
kill, kill, kill
watching trailers for orphan, inglurius basturds, and public enemy last night offering me a selection of movies about violent killing, movies about killing violently, and bloody killing movies. this is american movies today
yet the sight of a naked tit is considered immoral
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Yes
-King Leopold
upsi,
you tie your gravatar to an email address, and heloscan will fetch the grav if you enter that e-mail in then email box below your name in the comments.
bo
Cool. Thanks. Tryin' it...
the bank’s rivals will once again be left to wonder exactly how Goldman, long the envy of Wall Street, could have rebounded so dramatically
A Ponzi scheme or two, maybe?
And, just in case you're feeling charitable towards Goldman, have a look at this from the link posted:
Startling, too, is how much of its profits Goldman is expected to share with its employees. Analysts estimate that the bank will set aside enough money to pay a total of $18 billion in compensation and benefits this year to its 28,000 employees, or more than $600,000 per employee. Top producers stand to earn millions.
They wouldn't dare try this in my ancestral home of France. The tumbrels woudl surely roll.
Happy Early Bastille Day.
Might work better if I posted the email addy in the email box, instead of the URL box...
Tryin' again...
Woohoo! Thanks, bo.
I believe that there were at two two great epochs of human knowledge.
And there was a pause of at least a millenium between the two most recent.
I'm not saying the ancient Egyptians mastered space travel, but you don't leave behind a Great Pyramid if you're scratching around in the dirt, either.
To this day, it is an astounding engineering feat.
I see London, I see France, I see
Upsidasium's Gravatar.
So it doesn't scan or rhyme. So sue me.
or years now there conservative movement has been very bad at identifying concrete problems in people’s lives and laying out things they’d like to change that would ameliorate those problems.
You funny, Atrios.
For years they've been great at identifying concrete problems in the lives of white males: They're having to deal w women and minorities in roles that the white men never wanted them to inhabit. They're also v good a laying out things that ameliorate those problems: keeping women barefoot and in the kitchen and keeping minorities in the role of "the other."
Let's not pretend otherwise.
I guess it never will come out that WF Buckley died after he and Richard Perle took viagra and masturbated each other while William Kristol sang the Horst Wessel song.
I see London, I see France, I see
Upsidasium's Gravatar.
So it doesn't scan or rhyme. So sue me.
David Derbes, optimistic
The Future of Conservative Ideas
i can't seem to get anybody interested in my proposal for an aristocratic party that would deny the vote to the unworthy commoners
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The dinosaurs built Stonehenge!
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A "kiss-in" drew about 60 people sporting pink paper hearts to the sidewalk just off of LDS Church property near Main Street and South Temple Sunday to protest actions taken by church security late last week.
Former Salt Lake City Councilwoman Deeda Seed launched the idea from her Facebook page after two gay men, Derek Jones and Matthew Aune, were forced to leave the church-owned pedestrian walkway between North Temple and South Temple Thursday night for "inappropriate" behavior. That behavior, reportedly, was holding hands and a kiss on the cheek and led to the men being handcuffed, led off the plaza and cited by Salt Lake police.
Seed called the actions "heavy-handed," and invited people to meet downtown Sunday morning to "engage in gentle, tasteful displays of public affection." Dozens of gay and straight couples did just that at the feet of a statue of Brigham Young near the entrance to the plaza just after 9 a.m.
I guess it never will come out that WF Buckley died after he and Richard Perle took viagra and masturbated each other while William Kristol sang the Horst Wessel song.
leibniz♘☮ | 07.12.09 - 7:32 pm | #
Then you must shun your family, friends, and work, and dedicate your entire life to spreading this message.
This is how different the UK is from the US. [Don't worry, it's a safe link. cf. Jocelyn Elders]
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Bassak! With the bizzers.
When you select a nickname at gravatar.com, is it supposed to be the one you post under?
not necessarily at all. gravatar.com just wants to give you an alternate login name for their services
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Fuckers.
The dinosaurs built Stonehenge!
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Agent Orange | 07.12.09 - 7:33 pm | #
Ridiculous, any serious scientist knows that Stonehenge created the dinosaurs.
I've read where the Great Pyramid may have had an outer marble casing, that was ripped down by thieves over time.
It sounds outlandish, but I would love to have seen it, if true.
Would anyone like to see my proto-cucumber again? Iz very handsome.
www.gwpda.org/pickle.jpb And it's now, EVEN BIGGER.
I'm in South Jersey! We got cukes up the yang yang!
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Ridiculous, any serious scientist knows that Stonehenge created the dinosaurs.
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I always thought Fred Flintstone created the dinosaurs.
Would anyone like to see my proto-cucumber again? Iz very handsome. - GWPDA
Not to be confused with NTodd, protuberant pink pickle of passion.
The dinosaurs built Stonehenge!
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Agent Orange
Stonehinge was a Cookbook!
I'm in South Jersey! We got cukes up the yang yang! . Agent Orange
Fortunately you're north of the Mason-Dixon. Felony, otherwise.
MP, dunno about marble, but evidently there was an outer layer, so that the surface was more nearly flat than staggered.
Damned if I can remember where I read this.
I've read where the Great Pyramid may have had an outer marble casing, that was ripped down by thieves over time.
I think you're confusing the Great Pyramid with the Trump Pyramid.
I always thought Fred Flintstone created the dinosaurs.
Aurora Erratic
When Fred would run through his house, the same lamp, chair and window would go by five times.
But from the street, there was only one window.
not necessarily at all. gravatar.com just wants to give you an alternate login name for their services
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tacitus volt bear
Dang. Shiny new gravatar, and haloscan eats my post. Trying again:
Thanks, all. It seems so simple once you figure it out...
I believe that there were at two two great epochs of human knowledge.
And there was a pause of at least a millenium between the two most recent
there were others in pre-history: there was a so-called "greek dark ages" between the time that the miceneans and minoans went under, about 1200 bc (i could be off by a century or two), and the time that the archaic classic greeks got their shit together, about 800 bc
also, there was an end-of-the-ice-ages dark ages, when the skills that produced 35 thousand years of astonishing artistry on the walls of the caves of southwestern europe was lost and forgotten
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Off to make dinner. Later, bats...
When Fred would run through his house, the same lamp, chair and window would go by five times.
But from the street, there was only one window.
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The world was smaller then.
Shiny new gravatar,also. Too.
The Navy is offering a really stupendous Archivist job with a good pay level. In Hawaii....
I should apply, hunh?
Until watching the Flinstones, I never knew cave dwellers had garages.
For those interested in possibly very advanced early civilizations, there is Charles Hapgood's Maps of the Ancient Sea Kings. My guess is that this is entirely wrong, but it's nonetheless interesting.
I'd love to know the straight dope on the Oronteus Finaeus map, now, maybe, at Yale's Beinecke Library...; ditto the Piri Rei's map.
If Friedman shaved off his fuzz, he would like Fred Flinstone....and Chris Matthews looks like Barney.
When I was young my Mom would give me a kiss and tell me to run like hell to school or the Saber toothed tigers would get me. Mom was nice.
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I kinda had this weird thought yesterday that since politicians generally, and Republicans especially, are all about power, as the Republican Party is disintegrating, it's possible that smart people will ditch the whacky fundie ideologues, and embrace a position to the left of Obama, and especially as Obama fails to rise to the occasion. (see Kevin Baker's article in this month's Harpers.)
Yea, it's a silly idea, but weirder things have happened.
Go for it, GWPDA. Although I've heard the cost of living is much higher than on the mainland.
...and Chris Matthews looks like Barney.
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As we don't get TV, the first time I saw Chris Matthews was a couple of months ago. I started to ask why he is called Tweetie, when I saw it. i didn't finish the question.
David Derbes, optimistic,
Must be fun to be you. Really! So many wonderful constructs to apply.
I envy that.
I have only my own peculiarity to deal with: it has kept me busy for 59 years. . . .
Hey David Derbes-- do you know this blog?
http://strangemaps.wordpress.com/
While we're gassing about Egypt, did Napoleon blow off the Sphinx's nose to show off his cannons, or did Alexander the Great smash it off w/ his catapaults?
Damned if I can remember where I read this.
David Derbes, optimistic
Not just the Great Pyramid, but other ancient construction projects. The enormous size and weight of the blocks they used would require a big assed crane by today's standards, and the precision of placing them was unreal.
Obviously, they had mastered some way of manufacturing, transporting, and manuevering huge pieces construction material into place.
wikipedia has a good entry on MOM and the Oronteus Finaeus map
Yea, it's a silly idea, but weirder things have happened.
Moe Szyslak
I was just contemplating something similar last night. Are we finally at the point where the two-party system will disintegrate by fragmenting into multiple parties based not on a single issue ("the flat tax", e.g.) but by an ideological stance?
It might could be.
TURKEYS!
It's Wildlife Sunday in the Prestonian Blogularity.
Hey JP, how's the job search going?
Thanks, all, for the links re: maps. I don't believe any of it, but the Oronteus Finaeus map is really pretty interesting. 1532, and a very convincing looking ice-free Antarctica.
Off to dinner and a movie with Clairan.
The Great Pyramid had an outer casing of limestone whose reflective light could have been seen for miles. If you want to see the casing, it's what the Egyptians removed to build Cairo.
Moving and 'locating' big stones is easy!
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Moe Szyslak: Hey JP, how's the job search going?
SUCKING.
Not gonna live a lot longer, at this rate.
Our DLC overlords overlords are the Fundies:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/
br...a_b_112878.html
Obviously, they had mastered some way of manufacturing, transporting, and manuevering huge pieces construction material into place.
MP
water moves mountains ... and it's a solvent
JP
We have turkeys hanging around the house here in South Jersey. They've taken to roosting in our trees.
Not gonna live a lot longer, at this rate.
Jeffraham,
Did you catch my advice about Labor Ready? There are two in the Nashville area-- see their web site:
http://www.laborready.com/#
Yes, the work sucks, you don't get paid much, etc. But it's daily cash, enough to live on.
GeorgeM: We have turkeys hanging around the house here in South Jersey. They've taken to roosting in our trees.
So, which are they? Turkeys, or tree roosters?
They're a dessert topping...
There were turkeys on the median of US 130 below the Comm Barry Bridge.
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Moe Szyslak: Did you catch my advice about Labor Ready? There are two in the Nashville area-- see their web site:
http://www.laborready.com/#
Yes, the work sucks, you don't get paid much, etc. But it's daily cash, enough to live on.
I'll be talking to them at 8 a.m. tomorrow morning!
There were turkeys on the median of US 130 below the Comm Barry Bridge.
Those actually were state troopers disguised as turkeys to catch speeders.
I saw a male pheasant in Atlantic County. Hadn't seen one in years and years
When moving big things gravity can be your best friend!
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We have turkeys hanging around the house here in South Jersey. They've taken to roosting in our trees.
GeorgeM
Had two small flocks roosting behind the house last fall. Their morning flight line went directly over the house & car. UCK. Poop everywhere.
This one's going to blow baby boomers' minds. It concerns a little-known law dating to Elizabethan England suddenly being enforced with gusto in Pennsylvania. The law can force adult children to pay their parents' health-care costs
http://www.philly.com/inquirer/
c...child_must.html
I'll be talking to them at 8 a.m. tomorrow morning!
Good!
When I was down and out, I used a similar company, and did shit jobs for maybe two months-- loading trucks, working in a plastic factory, you name it-- and it at least gave me the presence of mind to figure some other things out.
It'll come around to ya.
Here comes more t-boomers.
Poop everywhere.
Unfortunately, our dogs lurve turkey poop. And sometimes regurgitate said poop in the house.
We have turkeys hanging around the house here in South Jersey. They've taken to roosting in our trees.
GeorgeM
Down near the high school in my town, there is big wooded area. You see bunnies, deer, opposum and wild turkeys.
When moving big things gravity can be your best friend!
just moved an armoire down two flights of stairs. Gravity was NOT helping.
When Fred would run through his house, the same lamp, chair and window would go by five times.
But from the street, there was only one window.
MP
Hanna-Barbera were not great cartoonists.
But I loved The Flinstones anyway.
Same with the Jetsons.
They did another one in the early 70s called "The Roman Holidays". It was set in Ancient Rome.
Didn't do too well.
just moved an armoire down two flights of stairs. Gravity was NOT helping.
Ali
when we moved mrs bear's 19th cen french armoire we discovered (nearly beheading ourselves in the process) that it was designed to completely come apart when the top was removed. held together only by the pieces all fitting like a puzzle
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I think we need a South Jersey mini Eschacon. Bring your own produce.
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the pieces all fitting like a puzzle
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tacitus volt bear
I remember that from my brief career working in an antiques shop. Very clever, those old french dudes.
My 20th century POS was not so cleverly designed.
Damned if I can remember where I read this.
David Derbes, optimistic
Not just the Great Pyramid, but other ancient construction projects. The enormous size and weight of the blocks they used would require a big assed crane by today's standards, and the precision of placing them was unreal.
Obviously, they had mastered some way of manufacturing, transporting, and manuevering huge pieces construction material into place.
MP | 07.12.09 - 7:47 pm | #
IIRC, one woman came up with the idea of using small kites to help move the blocks along.
Agent Orange: I think we need a South Jersey mini Eschacon. Bring your own produce.
I've loved our several mini-cons here in Nashville. It's always nice to wait until someone from far away is visiting, as that gives most everyone local an excuse to come out.
Buckeye: IIRC, one woman came up with the idea of using small kites to help move the blocks along.
Oooh! Like the Twitter birds, lifting the whale out of the ocean!
OK, time for me to finish the laundry and fix a little supper.
Sunday Poetry is up. This week's selection is a bit disconcerting.
Later, good people.
Agent Orange: I think we need a South Jersey mini Eschacon. Bring your own produce.
Produce don't move nowhere unless the Mafia says so.
You got a problem with that?
Marcellina is coming to Philly DL on the 21st. Be there or be square!
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RattleRattleBoom.
Ya wankers. Ya coulda gone to Blissfest, which is up in the middle of BFE.
Marcellina is coming to Philly DL on the 21st.
Of July? Shit. September I could make, I think.
Ya wankers. Ya coulda gone to Blissfest, which is up in the middle of BFE.
Vicki, Who ♥ Al Gore
Smoke any Hippie Lettuce?
All the South Jersey produce firms have names that end in a vowel!
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Buckeye: IIRC, one woman came up with the idea of using small kites to help move the blocks along.
Oooh! Like the Twitter birds, lifting the whale out of the ocean!
Jeffraham, public option | Homepage | 07.12.09 - 8:09 pm | #
Sort of, I think they also had something to slide along, as well as being pulled. I think she actually tried this out.
Ah, here's an article:
http://
news.nationalgeographic.c...echobelisk.html
Ya wankers. Ya coulda gone to Blissfest, which is up in the middle of BFE.
Vicki
I was there! Really!
The little map on the chair back in the tube of death showed me that I flew right over Blissfest. I waved, even.
The little map on the chair back in the tube of death showed me that I flew right over Blissfest. I waved, even.
That was you? In that one plane?
Woo Hoo!
No one goes to BFE - it's too crowded.
I think we need a South Jersey mini Eschacon. Bring your own produce.
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Agent Orange
Sounds good to me.
Norm's River Roadhouse is in BFE... for Davidson County, TN, anyway. No cell phone signals, unless you have Verizon!
This week's selection is a bit disconcerting.
That's what Arthur Fiedler said when the Pops got rained out.
Norm's River Roadhouse is in BFE... for Davidson County, TN, anyway. No cell phone signals, unless you have Verizon!
Verizon is great. It works even in Ha.. Never mind.
BoombleBoombleRum.
Marcellina is coming to Philly DL on the 21st. Be there or be square!
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Agent Orange | 07.12.09 - 8:12 pm | #
She's hoisting a few with the NYC contingent on Tuesday. Could be a hot one!
just moved an armoire down two flights of stairs. Gravity was NOT helping. Ali
You should keep weapons in the basement. And it's spelled armory. Also.
"The “drill baby drill” episode from last summer at least has the right formal properties, though I’d hardly call it an “idea.”"
If that's their best, then that's sad.
That's what Arthur Fiedler said when the Pops got rained out.
Ouch - figures he'd be scared of lightning being a natural conductor.
"BoombleBoombleRum."
--Jeffraham,
Here too. Rumble, umble. No lightning yet.
Spent the day trying to:
1) Rebuild a computer
2) Get my damned printer to work wirelessly like it's supposed to.
3) Get a couple hours of work for the Borg done
4) Help my SO clean off some shelves for more books
5) Relax and kick back
Guess which one didn't get done at all!
I missed Stanfest again this year. Keep meaning to make it up there.
Here too. Rumble, umble. No lightning yet.
mer
We got nailed on Friday night coming back from Bliss to our cabin in Wilderness.
By the time we finally reached the cabin, it was in full downpour, thunder and lightning mode. Nim and Jen hadn't had a chance to empty the van, so we did that in a downpour.
Okay, switching my grav back to the dog. Suits me more, I think.
Let's see if it took...
Apparently not.
She's hoisting a few with the NYC contingent on Tuesday. Could be a hot one!
Don't forget your pitchfork and torch.
Dude, I was in Billyburg today. If I spend the whole time laughing at hipsters am I officially old? They are so silly.
Jeffco.
It's actually armoury, of course.
steve simels, apparently yes.
Biscuits.
Marcellina's got a free drink in every port. I think I'll go to Innsbruck and schmooze her there!
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Might as well change too.
Um, it's really unbelievably hot here. Is there any reason why I shouldn't contemplate the possibility of Honolulu?
I mean, all they're asking is: In addition to meeting the basic educational requirements of this position, applicants must have one year of specialized experience
equivalent to the YA-2 in the Federal Service with experience working as a member of a team of archivists/ or independent archivists
responsible for accessioning, describing, analyzing, arranging and
preserving a broad array of public documents of historical value stored
in various media formats, such as printed documents, digital, video,
CD/DVD, microfilm, etc.; experience researching and analyzing any facet
of United States history; and experience with computerized systems, such as MS office, Access, for the description, tracking, or
maintenance of Archival materials, and providing guidance and/or leading employees performing library/archival work. And: 1. Knowledge of archival principles and techniques. (Describe your experience in accessioning, describing, analyzing, arranging, and/or preserving public documents of historical values stored in various
media formats, such as printed documents, digital, video, CD/DVD,
microfilm, etc.)
2. Ability to research and analyze historical records. (Describe your experience researching and analyzing United States historical records, such as U.S. Military and/or diplomatic
records.) 3. Skill in using computer archival software programs. Describe what computer systems used and purpose. 4. Ability to supervise employees in a library/archive work center. (Describe your experience leading and/or supervising others and
function you performed.)
Pay's pretty good: 58,141.00 - 113,908.00 USD /year
Plus 25% cost-of-living allowance
Did I mention that according to this grant I'm writing now, I/GWPDA actually established the norms and standards for electronic archiving, as compared to the ILMS standards of 2007 versus my published standards of 1998?
~~~sigh~~~
I did.
Marcellina's cute as a button. She reminds me of Martina Gedeck.
It's actually armoury, of course. Ali
You Canucks lurve your superfluous u's.
Might as well change too.
Steeler Fan
LOL
Dear Sirs,
I had heard that Sarah Palin had quit has governor of Alaska. Then today on Meet The Press, John McCain said she did not quit. Who is correct on this?
Hi Vicki! Was it fun? Did fokowi show up?
So now DiFi is concerned that laws may have been broken, huh?
DiFi is so cute.
Hi Erin!
Yes, it was fun! Drank too much Feral Liberal wine and smoked too much hippie lettuce, but it was fun.
Fokowi did show up, but I didn't meet him. He was hiding in the woods.
My mother actually believes that Obama was not looking at that girls butt.
And she's a fundie.
You Canoucks lourve your souperfluous ou's.
They need a goud houme touo.
OK mini Eschacon in Innsbruck!
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Fokowi did show up, but I didn't meet him. He was hiding in the woods.
Vicki, Who ♥ Al Gore
So fokowi was feral.
Is there any reason why I shouldn't contemplate the possibility of Honolulu?
No.
I have a friend from waaaaay back, who is editor for a weekly paper in Honolulu. I think she'd hire me, if I asked. I've been tempted, many times.
So fokowi was feral.
Steeler Fan
So to speak.
Erin, mena and WGG were there.
Is there any reason why I shouldn't contemplate the possibility of Honolulu?
Fuck NO!
The only possible drawback would be if you had pets - I think the "quarantine" period could be six months.
I've completely converted-- it's weird to read American spellings now.
Is there any reason why I shouldn't contemplate the possibility of Honolulu?
Make sure you tell everyone first.
I mean everyone.
Ah, the dog is back!
I feel so much better.
Seriously, I shaved my beard on Thursday so as not to look so Jewish at a Who Wants to Be a Millionaire audition. (Which I passed, for what its worth).
Anyway, I won't feel like myself until it's grown in, which for some weird reason explains why the Brian from Family Guy grav is so comforting.
Did I mention that according to this grant I'm writing now, I/GWPDA actually established the norms and standards for electronic archiving, as compared to the ILMS standards of 2007 versus my published standards of 1998?
~~~sigh~~~
I did.
So you're to blame for all of that?!?
I have a guy at work who can talk me into the ground on DOD 5015 and PDF-a and FERC and NERC regulations...
RIL's as cute as a button too!
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Make sure you tell everyone first.
I mean everyone.
[raises eyebrow.]
Seriously, I shaved my beard on Thursday so as not to look so Jewish at a Who Wants to Be a Millionaire audition.
And you sat on your hands.
(Which I passed, for what its worth).
YES!
The GC will be a lifeline, if you need him. He's a walking/talking encyclopedia.
Erin, mena and WGG were there.
Wheeeeeeeeeeeeeee! What fun!
Another old man dazzled by the thought of Little Miss Wingnut wiggling her ass.
simels is jewish?!
with initials of SS ?!?!?!?!?!?
I mean: !
We can borrow trillions for killing Arab civilians but we are damned if we spend one cent for taking care of sick American babies?
The only possible drawback would be if you had pets - I think the "quarantine" period could be six months.
Ahem.
BRITISH PUPILS TOLD TO JERK OFF FOR GOOD HEALTH
I LOVE mena. Always have.
Willie Brown was interesting 20 years ago. Now, not so much.
Honolulu?
Do you need an assistant?
Which I passed, for what its worth...
Mazeltov!
The interest in the Butt Story appears to have tailed off.
Lot of buttons
Now, not so much.
He was horrible as mayor. And I voted for the guy the first time.
We should all move to Honolulu.
Atabla, yes, I am.
Honest. I invented it in 1994 in Leavenworth, whilst we invaded Haiti. In collaboration with Univ. of Kansas and some other people. I pretty much try not to remember this, and I pretty much pretend that I'm not when push comes to shove, but today I was faced with the time stamps and there it was.
WAY LOTS OF RAIN.
A wank a day keeps teh doctor away.
We should all move to Honolulu.
Steeler Fan
I'm gonna need to move somewhere, I think. This merger thing has me way down. It's depressing.
Hymietown?
I MEAN BUCKETS AND BUCKETS OF RAIN.
BRITISH PUPILS TOLD TO JERK OFF FOR GOOD HEALTH
Steeler Fan
Is there a way to get extra credit for school?
I disagree with Frank Rich. Palin didn't break the GOP. She's just the natural outcome of what it's been doing to itself the last 30 years.
Now Peggy Noonan, who was whining about Palin in the WSJ on Friday ... now SHE helped break the GOP. She's one of the primary architects of today's GOP.
And I thank her for it!.
Fun Vicki!
(but i didn't know it was possible to smoke too much hippie lettuce)
He was horrible as mayor. And I voted for the guy the first time.
dave™©
He was a political genius in Sacramento, a real sight to behold. And "political genius" is an understatement. I don't think there are words to describe it really. But you were there, you know what I mean.
From there, it could only be downhill. But the slope was steep.
Gotta go make my dinner sammitch. And the watermelon agua fresca. Also.
We should all move to Honolulu.
Steeler Fan
You will need a birth certificate. Maybe Obama can tell you where bought his.
AND NOW, THE WIND!
I'm gonna need to move somewhere, I think. This merger thing has me way down. It's depressing.
Vicki, Who ♥ Al Gore
HELL, Michigan is depressing at this time. Never felt so frustrated in my life with this place.
Fucking Republicans and fucking Democrats: conspiring together to ruin everyone.
But you were there, you know what I mean.
Everyone loved him then. And yes, he was brilliant. However, his stint as mayor really brought home the political maxim that the farther away they are, the better they look.
Bertha Butt? One of the seven Butt sisters?
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How low is Honolulu? I don't know anything about it-- are there highlands? Because, otherwise, it won't be around for long. The tourist strip is at sea level, obviously, but downtown?
Dammit.
...are there highlands?
Not that you can build on.
Ooh - a birther? Probably not really but I'm dying to know: if Obama really isn't a US citizen, why did John Roberts swear him in, twice?
Is Roberts in on it or not a real conservative? What about Scalia? if he knew about it, why did he stand by and do nothing? What about Bush and Cheney for that matter? If Obama is really not a US citizen, why did the entire leadership of the Republican Party stand by and do nothing?
I am keen to understand how the birthers account for this glaring inaction.
How low is Honolulu? I don't know anything about it-- are there highlands? Because, otherwise, it won't be around for long. The tourist strip is at sea level, obviously, but downtown?
Ah, the Canadian Richard Hansen.
Just for the heck of it, here's your typical wingnut commenter at the SF Kronk:
The Obammunists plan to give FREE health care to millions of illegals for the rest of their lives. Get in line, America. The Obammunist wont be happy till this is a banana republic and you are standing in line behind 30 Million illegal aliens and PAYING for all of them.
Michigan is depressing at this time. Never felt so frustrated in my life with this place.
It's a damned shame.
It's really out of our hands, what can be done.
I'm at a loss for solutions at this point.
I think the cabin we stayed in at Wilderness State Park is an old CCC cabin.
There are a lot of former CCC camps in upper Michigan.
Goldman Sachs Likely to Post Huge Profits, Analysts Say
By GRAHAM BOWLEY and JENNY ANDERSON 6:50 PM ET
Wall Street is buzzing that the bank, which only recently paid back its government bailout money, earned more than $2 billion in the March-June period
What fucking recession? Oh you mean the proles? Fuck them! The poor will be with us ALWAYS.
Just for the heck of it, here's your typical wingnut commenter at the SF Kronk:
I took this book out of the library.
Do you know that a wingnut marked it up -- changed "BCE" to "BC" and "CE" to "AD" -- capitalized all pronounce references to god (i.e., from "he" to "He") -- and edited sentences throughoutl -- with a black marker.
Lucy should have broken the fourth wall at least once in that series.
Every sitcom should one.
Even when she would make fun of Ricky's accent, her eyes were focused slightly off camera.
Richard Hansen?
Groucho would break the fourth wall too much, even to the point of asking the audience if they should finish the scene.
It has to be subtle.
(Gonna try watching a DVD again. Lexi was not in the mood for one: she was sitting on my lap showing her displeasure in a variety of Rottweiler ways.)
How low is Honolulu?
According to the official city website, the elevation of Honolulu is 18 feet.
The Obammunist wont be happy till this is a banana republic and you are standing in line behind 30 Million illegal aliens and PAYING for all of them.
Why would he do this?
It's a damned shame.
It's really out of our hands, what can be done.
Punctuation is off there.
Sea level rise is real-- it's happening already. On top of that, besides sea level rise, lots of places (like Nova Scotia) are additionally sinking...
I fully expect that in my lifetime, flooding city centers will be a considerable concern.
Why would he do this?
He's gonna make whitey PAY!
Why would he do this?
be cause he is a fascist communist Moooslim who hates America, duh.
...a wingnut marked it up -- changed "BCE" to "BC" and "CE" to "AD" -- capitalized all pronounce references to god (i.e., from "he" to "He") -- and edited sentences throughoutl -- with a black marker.
You should point that out to the librarian - offer to buy them a new one.
And what dave™© said.
Punctuation is off there.
According to the official city website, the elevation of Honolulu is 18 feet.
Toonscribe:
Thanks. Halifax is about the same, airc-- but we have lots of hills. My house is at about 200 feet.
But the entire financial district is at, oh, three feet above high tide? Much of it on fill.
Bullet Train isn't as fast as it seems.
You should point that out to the librarian - offer to buy them a new one.
dave™©
That's a good idea. I'm going to do that. Fucking wingnuts. What Would Jesus Deface? right?
He's gonna make whitey PAY!
Ooooh. Sometimes the stoopit is so deep, I don't see the "logic". I should know by now to just default to "garden variety unfocused racism".
Also.
Goldman Sachs Likely to Post Huge Profits, Analysts Say
By GRAHAM BOWLEY and JENNY ANDERSON 6:50 PM ET
well hey, when you can tie your trading software directly into the NYSE.......
But the entire financial district is at, oh, three feet above high tide? Much of it on fill.
What could possibly go wrong?
rain, glorious rain
Goldman Sachs Likely to Post Huge Profits
Allow me to alert the media.
why did John Roberts swear him in, twice?
Totally unrelated but in the small world department, Freshman Sen Sam Ervin was sworn in by Vice President Richard Nixon. I sure miss when Republicans were afraid of Southern Democrats rather than the situation today where they are able to count on them to be toadies and handmaidens.
Halifax is about the same, airc-- but we have lots of hills. My house is at about 200 feet.
I get depressed about the Florida Keys. I love those scruffy islands, but IIRC the highest point in Key West is only about 13 feet.
You should point that out to the librarian - offer to buy them a new one.
The librarians may be able to find more such books based on who checked out your book in the past.
According to the official city website, the elevation of Honolulu is 18 feet.
Hey - they're even lower than Phoenix, at around 250' above sea level!
Goldman Sachs Likely to Post Huge Profits
Sounds like they will need some tax cuts to go with the bail out money.
Goldman shorted their own stated stock position, that's how cynical that firm is.
They would not sell their own grandmothers, because they have already leveraged them 30 -1.
I get depressed about the Florida Keys. I love those scruffy islands, but IIRC the highest point in Key West is only about 13 feet.
Toonscribe
Not just the Keys-- most of the state of Florida.
I don't think people really comprehend the magnitude of the problem here.
Arthur has his pedicure tomorrow - they come to the door!
just default to "garden variety unfocused racism".
Mercy, the quality of wingnuttery is sure strain'd.
Hey - they're even lower than Phoenix, at around 250' above sea level!
GWPDA yclept Damaged Historian
I hear their beaches are nicer as well...
The new (still unfinished) Goldman Sachs building is kitty corner from Ground Zero. They got the city to move the street farther out to protect them from whatever ... car bombs? Really long pitchforks?
I hear their beaches are nicer as well...
Gotta have a good sense of Yuma to like our beaches.
Not just the Keys-- most of the state of Florida.
True. I think about two-thirds of Florida would disappear. I just mentioned the Keys because they're one of my fav places on Earth.
I wonder if LaToya consulted a psychic from her psychic hotline when she says MJ was murdered.
Not just the Keys-- most of the state of Florida.
Speaking of Florida, I haven't seen Sinfonian in a long time. I guess Miss July is keeping him busy?
I think I'll start calling the people involved in Teh Gud Job, to-morrow. Either they're going to interview people or there's a fix in - and I really would like to know which one it is.
Speaking of Florida, I haven't seen Sinfonian in a long time.
I think he was here briefly last night.
Arthur has his pedicure tomorrow - they come to the door!
GWPDA yclept Damaged Historian
Arthur is a patient gentleman. My female Dal doesn't want anybody messing with her feetsies.
George, Sinfonian was here yesterday. I think he is studying for a test of some sort.
Speaking of Florida, I haven't seen Sinfonian in a long time. I guess Miss July is keeping him busy?
Studying for the bar exam. He was here for a few minutes yesterday.
Vicki! How were Mena and Woody?
Studying for the bar exam. He was here for a few minutes yesterday.
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What, he's moving?
Nim's taken it in three or four states, iirc.
Hey - they're even lower than Phoenix, at around 250' above sea level!
Joe Henry, the musician, has a wonderful song called "Our Song," (hear it here) in which he talks about running into WIllie Mays at a Scottsdale Home Depot. It includes many good lines, including this:
I feel safe so far from heaven
From towers and their ocean views
From here I see the future coming across
What soon will be beaches too
I'm watching a Fr. Crappy on EWTN.
He hates teh Obama
I wonder if LaToya consulted a psychic from her psychic hotline when she says MJ was murdered.
Vicki, Who ♥ Al Gore
Is the "Jackson Ghost?" video past a million hits yet?
Arthur is a patient gentleman. My female Dal doesn't want anybody messing with her feetsies.
(Muzzles are involved. Several techs. Much coddling. I am not allowed in the area because Arthur tends to think he needs to protect me. It's pretty much agony, actually, but at least this way he doesn't have to be doped.)
Studying for the bar exam. He was here for a few minutes yesterday.
leibniz leibkins ♘☮
I hope it hasn't interfered with his important work like keeping Wanker of the Day stats.
Sounds like if MJ was murdered, he did was the murderer.
I trim both dogs' toenails, it's easy and builds trust between us. Makes it easier when I have to do more serious stuff.
MJ would probably be afraid of his own ghost.
Read me a bedtime story?
GWPDA,
Mena looks great, and she's doing very well. I love her energy. She is enjoying Michigan.
I didn't talk much to Woody, other than to say hello and hug. I mentioned to him that his blogs make me cry sometimes, and he said, "that's because I'm a pretty sensitive guy."
He looked good, too, although I think he's having hip problems.
Everyone was pretty chill.
Feral Liberal was full of energy, and he looked happy. Barndog and chi dyke were their usual fine selves; full of piss and vinegar. Virginia and her husband were there, too, as was fokowi.
I didn't meet fokowi.
I trim both dogs' toenails, it's easy and builds trust between us.
Ur lucky. Shar-peis don't willingly allow anybody to touch their toes - and shar-peis who were abused for their first year are especially anxious about stuff like that. My veterinary, after three years, at least can get them trimmed without having to sedate him. That's a big deal.
Oh, and GWPDA, Woody was on the fence about Michigan...I asked him what he thought about our pretty state and he said, "Some things I like, some, I don't."
Jeffra, would you like to hear the story of "Under Fire: The Battle of Harpers Ferry 1862"? Seeing as I have to type it up for tomorrow's news, and because we canNOT get the PR staff at NPS/hafe to learn this concept called "e-mail"....? 
I will now go to the bed device.
♥
Xan, are you working for NPS?
If sea level rise occurs slowly and predictably-- a couple of centimetres a decade, spread over the century, which is the presumption of city planners everywhere-- then it can be managed-- just another expense (albeit huge) that needs to be put into general plans, tax tables, and the like. No big deal.
The problem is, it likely won't be incremental, nor even the IPCC-predicted 100 centimetres. All the IPCC models are extremely below the already measured reality, and now modellers are talking anywhere from five to 20 METRES, this century. Nobody in a position of power is even thinking about that, much less planning for it. And for good reason: you can't plan for it. It's like the Black Death: you just mop up after it.
This week Obama asked for an additional $108 billion for the IMF, all in the name of rescuing the world economy. It goes without saying that the same criterion being applied inside American borders is being applied overseas. Rescue the banks and hospitals and schools be damned.
Good enough for the village means insipid enough to sell soap without offending dirt.
Jeffra, would you like to hear the story of "Under Fire: The Battle of Harpers Ferry 1862"?
I want to hear "My Pet Goat". I didn't have time to find out how it ended. My lips got tired.
Acela's even slower -- 66 to 70 mph average.
Gee, in the link Yglesias surmises that Douchehat is already passe.
Sun's now down past the houses and the trees, enough so that I think I can go out to the pool without danger. Temperature's dropped to 109F.
Temperature's dropped to 109F.
It was about 72 yesterday and windy up at Bliss. Very low humidity.
The Acela is even slower if it sits outside of Penn Station for an hour and a half with the lights and the air turned off and no announcement from the train crew.
72 non-commie degrees here, with a low of 53 expected. Good sleeping weather.
GWPDA, no, it's more like they work for me. I run a Civil War magazine and our major function is assembling news of the Late Unpleasantness in the modern day. Like events at Harpers Ferry for instance.
They really, really need a website manager...but, alas, like most places cannot afford one. But if they had one they would not have to send out press releases on (ick) paper in the (ugh) USPS mail, which I then have to (swoon) transcribe.
I have been sitting in front of a TV set playing "Big Brother" for the last hour because I was too lazy to move.
My brain is beginning to dribble out my ears.
Good enough for the village means insipid enough to sell soap without offending dirt.
sidhra
73 here right now.
Hey Xan check out my photo of harper's Ferry:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/340...N06/3180533125/
"and now modellers are talking anywhere from five to 20 METRES, this century."
Wouldn't about 1/4 of Antarctica need to melt to raise sea levels 20 meters?
Jeffra, I trust you are in bed with your toofies brushed and jammies on, and tucked under such covers at the climate dictates
Under Fire: The Battle of Harpers Ferry 1862
"We are surrounded by enemy batteries", wrote a Union officer garrisoned at Harpers Ferry on September 15, 1862. On that day, the 12,500-man Union garrison surrendered to Confederate General Thomas "Stonewall" Jackson. This military action at Harpers Ferry was the largest surrender of Union troops during the American Civil War. Following the surrender of Federal troops, Jackson's men marched northward to join Confederate General Robert E. Lee near Sharpsburg, Maryland, arriving in time to save Lee's flank from annihilation during the Battle of Antietam.
There. We will have the next installment tomorrow. Nity-nite.
"The Acela is even slower if it sits outside of Penn Station for an hour and a half with the lights and the air turned off and no announcement from the train crew."
A lot of herbal enthusiasts work for the train company.
it was cool and cloudy here most of the week. 60 miles to the West is was hot & humid. Had a brief rain this A.M. the sun came out and temp went up to 85, so I closed the house & ran the a/c. two hours later the clouds were back and it was 4 degrees cooler outside than in.
Haven't run AC yet this year.
Being a first-bon (birth order theory) has doomed me to being a fucken square.
Not my fault.
Nice pic, OMFS24! Were you on the Potomac bridge or the upper floor of the John Brown capture building? It's been years since I was at HaFe and I forget the layout of the main street. Except that it tends to flood when the Potomac and Shenandoah come up at the same time...
I run a Civil War magazine and our major function is assembling news of the Late Unpleasantness in the modern day.
Looks like an interesting site. I've bookmarked it.
The Good News: There's a cool meteor is gonna hit teh Earth movie on NBC right now.
The Bad News: George Costanza is in charge of stopping it.
BREAKING: KIM JONG IL HAS PANCREATIC CANCER.
He's a goner.
Aw heck, here's the rest of the exciting bedtime story:
On Saturday and Sunday, July 18-19 2009, Harpers Ferry Park's Living History staff and volunteers of the 13th New Jersey infantry will present artillery demonstration and infantry drill programs on the battle which led to General Stonewall Jackson's capture of 12,500 Federal soldiers. Visitors are invited to witness the power of the Federal artillery that defended the Union garrison during the Siege of 1862. A military camp will be open for visitation on the Bolivar Heights Battlefield from 11:30 to 3:30.
Now everybody have their last drink of water and turn out the lights. No reading under the covers, the flashlight battery bills are killing us.
Wouldn't about 1/4 of Antarctica need to melt to raise sea levels 20 meters?
fred
Here's what Hansen says:
Although some ice sheet experts believe that the ice sheets are more stable, I believe that their view is partly based on the faulty assumption that the Earth has been as much as 2 °C warmer in previous interglacial periods, when the sea level was at most a few metres higher than at present. There is strong evidence that the Earth now is within 1 °C of its highest temperature in the past million years. Oxygen isotopes in the deep-ocean fossil plankton known as foraminifera reveal that the Earth was last 2 °C to 3 °C warmer around 3 million years ago, with carbon dioxide levels of perhaps 350 to 450 parts per million. It was a dramatically different planet then, with no Arctic sea ice in the warm seasons and sea level about 25 metres higher, give or take 10 metres.
There's lots of discussion on Real Climate about sea level-- I'll try to find some relative posts-- but, no, Antarctic melt is assumed not to be a major contributor to seal level rise. It's glaciers, thermal expansion and Greenland.
Significant Antarctic melt is a nightmare scenario, over and above the very real nightmare we're facing.
The Bad News: George Costanza is in charge of stopping it.
Steeler Fan
but Christopher Lloyd is hepping him.
The Bad News: George Costanza is in charge of stopping it.
Call DeLay Industries!
BREAKING: KIM JONG IL HAS PANCREATIC CANCER.
Good. Hope he's suffering.
Badly.
Nice pic, OMFS24! Were you on the Potomac bridge or the upper floor of the John Brown capture building?
I was on the slope going up to the bridge over the Potomac.
but Christopher Lloyd is hepping him.
1Watt, Hermit
This will not end well.
Meteor movies don't have a lot of eatage.
I forgot this one:
Indeed, the palaeoclimate record contains numerous examples of ice sheets yielding sea level rises of several metres per century when forcings were smaller than that of the business-as-usual scenario. For example, about 14,000 years ago, sea level rose approximately 20 metres in 400 years, or about 1 metre every 20 years.
That is probably the source of all the flood narratives. People had to move many miles, each year, to avoid rising sea levels. AIRC, in some decades, the rise was as much as ten metres.
A ten metre rise in sea level in one decade is not something we could deal with, at all, even if all our political resources were directed at it. It would lead to the utter collapse of the global economy, for starters.
What's this stuff alleging that Hansen has gone all crazy so we don't dare criticize the cap'n'trade bill? I thought he was the veritable guru of global warming science. Not being a scientist, I'm hoping for expert opinions.
Significant Antarctic melt is a nightmare scenario, over and above the very real nightmare we're facing.
Moe Szyslak
I've read that those Alps sized mountains the ice is holding down would rebound, displacing 3-4 times as much water as the ice melt would create. IIRC the sea rise would be 130 meters if that happened.
A ten metre rise in sea level in one decade is not something we could deal with, at all, even if all our political resources were directed at it. It would lead to the utter collapse of the global economy, for starters.
I think carbon sequestration is the way to go.
Fast.
We ain't cutting emissions.
I'd bet it all on sequestration rather than half assed emissions reduction schemes.
I thought that one theory of the flood was water getting from the Mediterranean into the Black Sea.
I've read that those Alps sized mountains the ice is holding down would rebound, displacing 3-4 times as much water as the ice melt would create.
Isostatic rebound is very slow on human scales. Parts of the Great Lakes area are still rebounding from the last Ice age for instance.
Theory of the flood?
I thought that one theory of the flood was water getting from the Mediterranean into the Black Sea.
leibniz leibkins
That's right. But that was the result of the Atlantic flowing backward into the Mediterranean...
They really, really need a website manager...but, alas, like most
places cannot afford one. But if they had one they would not have to
send out press releases on (ick) paper in the (ugh) USPS mail, which I
then have to (swoon) transcribe.
STIMULUS! Srsly - u need to get them to put in for this job. No kidding.
And I just discovered that I haz a beautiful carrot cake with cream cheese icing in teh deep freeze. Now, it's on my counter. Tomorrow, it's in my tummy!
Thanks, moe. I was going to weigh in here, but you nailed the science and it's sources. I guess I read the same guys you do.
Theory of the flood?
early Grateful Dead album
"Significant Antarctic melt is a nightmare scenario, over and above the very real nightmare we're facing."
Yikes.
I thought that one theory of the flood was water getting from the Mediterranean into the Black Sea.
leibniz leibkins
that's probably the one for the bible story, but almost every culture around the globe has a flood event story.
Sad news for the wingnuts:
Sotomayor faces friendly jury as hearings begin
AP - Sonia Sotomayor has decided advantages as she begins the most important trial of her long legal career, a nationally televised consideration of her nomination to be the first Hispanic and just the third woman on the Supreme Court.
Beginning Monday, she will tell her compelling up-from-poverty personal story to a jury tilted strongly in her favor — Democrats hold a comfortable majority on the Senate Judiciary Committee and a filibuster-resistant 60 votes in the Senate...
I think carbon sequestration is the way to go.
It clearly needs to be a part of it.
But we simply can't do it fast enough to address more than part of the problem, and there's real concern that it won't work in the long run (I'm personally more optimistic than that, but the issue is out there...)
The point it to impose emission restrictions right now, and people can figure out how to meet them-- CSS, efficiency measures, switching to renewables, etc.
Widow breaks up gay penguin couple.
Hilarious.
a filibuster-resistant 60 votes in the Senate...
Yay Al Franken!
I disagree with Sotomayor's opinion on the 94 baseball lockout.
I think carbon sequestration is the way to go.
What do you do with it once it's been sequestered?
The point it to impose emission restrictions right now, and people can figure out how to meet them-- CSS, efficiency measures, switching to renewables, etc.
Totally with you, but have you seen any evidence of political will to get it done on the scale they're telling us it needs to happen?
a filibuster-resistant 60 votes in the Senate...
Yeah, right. Too bad one of those "Democrats" is Arlen Specter.
Sad news for the wingnuts:
Don't worry -- the Republicans will still try to start a race riot.
What do you do with it once it's been sequestered?
Pump it under an impervious layer of rock. Then wait for it all to be released at once when that layer fractures.
Pump it under an impervious layer of rock. Then wait for it all to be released at once when that layer fractures.
Sorta like our plan for spent uranium ore -- dump it in a cave or something, hope it stays there.
Meh. Doan want.
Jumping in on the floods and the antarctic comments - isn't one of the factors just how fast the ice will slide without sea ice to keep it planted (sea ice already floating, but if more ice is entering the sea, that's a different deal), plus the Greenland ice is being undermined (literally) by meltwater flowing through fissures....
As for the great floods, one of the the possibilities is the ice age floods like the ones at Niagara and in eastern Washington state. Both were immense flows and at least the one in Washington is now thought to have happened repeatedly.
Totally with you, but have you seen any evidence of political will to get it done on the scale they're telling us it needs to happen?
That was the discussion on the earlier thread, where Hansen was dissed.
To answer your question: no.
But that doesn't mean it can't materialize.
It has to happen real fast, and to a degree rarely seen in human history. Even then, we may have already passed the point of no return.
But, that's no reason to shrug it off as a lost cause. We need to get enthused, work on it, move forward.
Hey, you crazy kids.
Moe.
What, Lord?
I want you to build me an Ark.
Riiiight. What's an Ark?
That was the discussion on the earlier thread, where Hansen was dissed.
Could someone either recap this or at least tell me which thread this was? i've been reading Hansen's stuff in the NYRB for years, & am curious about this point of contention.
STIMULUS! Srsly - u need to get them to put in for this job. No kidding.
GWPDA yclept Damaged Historian
Oh, make me Queen of NPS for a day and and a kind and gentle and very forceful broom will go through a great number of places. Including the PR office in a certain park nicknamed Chick-Chatt whose writer lady affixes 1 Bible verse (usually Proverbs) and 1 secular bit of Wisdom (usually Emerson) as cover, to the bottom of every PR email she sends out.
You probably know better than I the debacle that the last 8 yrs has been for Dept. of Interior agencies of all sorts. Money diverted from proper park operations to Corps of Engineers boondoggles, massive overemphasis on security operations & personnel, helping fund training of military & civilian interrogators at Ft. Huachuca, et heartbreaking cetera.
PR and ranger and historian and archaeo and scientific etc. operations are mostly run by old-timers who have hung on with teeth & fingernails to save the jobs from going to whackaloons. The wave of retirements, as best I can tell from the Morning Report, is starting to build now.
If sea level rise occurs slowly and predictably-- a couple of centimetres a decade, spread over the century, which is the presumption of city planners everywhere-- then it can be managed-- just another expense (albeit huge) that needs to be put into general plans, tax tables, and the like. No big deal.
The problem is, it likely won't be incremental, nor even the IPCC-predicted 100 centimetres. All the IPCC models are extremely below the already measured reality, and now modellers are talking anywhere from five to 20 METRES, this century. Nobody in a position of power is even thinking about that, much less planning for it. And for good reason: you can't plan for it. It's like the Black Death: you just mop up after it.
Moe Szyslak | Homepage | 07.12.09 - 9:11 pm | #
I'm trying to catch up with this year's crop of books on climate-each year the numbers get worse, I was trying to explain that to a co-worker. Just because we're currently having an 'average' summer doesn't mean everything isn't going badly.
Jumping in on the floods and the antarctic comments - isn't one of the factors just how fast the ice will slide without sea ice to keep it planted (sea ice already floating, but if more ice is entering the sea, that's a different deal), plus the Greenland ice is being undermined (literally) by meltwater flowing through fissures....
You've got that mostly right-- but it's up for debate as to how quickly that can happen. Greenland could, conceivably, happen in this century. No one seriously thinks Antarctica would collapse within, say, 500 years or so.
But, you don't need Greenland or Antarctica to get alarming sea level rises-- glacier melt and thermal expansion alone will bring us several metres.
Interesting article a friend of mine wrote for the GR Press:
Charley Honey: As I accept a buyout, I try to heed encouraging advice: Live in the present, don't worry about the future
He was, until a week ago, the religion editor of the Press. He's a very thoughtful writer.
Look, it's Res Ipsa Wanquitur
but almost every culture around the globe has a flood event story.
1Watt, Hermit |
Likely universally imagined to explain marine fossils found at elevation.
.
-The Obammunist wont be happy till this is a banana republic and you are standing in line behind 30 Million illegal aliens and PAYING for all of them.-
The rethuglicanazi won't be happy until they have both sides of the issue. One is to scapegoat the immigrants (legal or illegal) and the other is to make sure they keep coming for cheap labor. So, if they die without any medical care it's cuz they have no use to the aristocrats anymore.
The real pain-in-the-fucking-ass beauty of it all is that Peak Oil is coinciding right along with climate change. Both are creeping upon us.
When it hits the fan, we won't have the energy resources we need to deal with it all. You can't just pick up Manhattan and haul it uphill in a horse-drawn wagon.
James Hansen? See him at the bagel place...
Could someone either recap this or at least tell me which thread this was?
This one:
http://www.eschatonblog.com/2009...es-of-
good.html
Sorta like our plan for spent uranium ore -- dump it in a cave or something, hope it stays there.
Don't worry, it's a cave on Native American land, so no one important will get hurt.
/actual plan
I'm finding lots of job I'd LOVE and am qualified for. Sadly, none are in Nashville.
Is this Goldman story going to cause the excrement to hit the whirling blades -- or am I dreaming?
Riiiight. What's an Ark?
(zwoopa, zwoopa, zwoopa...)
Hansen? The Mmm-Bop kids?
Well, I got my solar panels fired up finally. My inverter tells me how much carbon I save a day. Love it. Unf. it's rained all fucking weekend so I haven't had too much fun yet but it's quite a kick nonetheless.
Sorta like our plan for spent uranium ore -- dump it in a cave or something, hope it stays there.
Ship it all out to a valley in Nevada and just let it sit for 10,000 years. It'll be very happy there and so will humanity.
.
Sorta like our plan for spent uranium ore -- dump it in a cave or something, hope it stays there.
And spend a lot of money to come up with some sort of marker to warn civilizations tens of thousands of years in the future that it's there.
Lord to Noah- "I will make it rain for 400 day and 400 nights."
Noah to lord- "Why so much much? Just let it rain for 40 days and 40 nights, then wait for the sewers to back up."
Cosby was a genius.
but almost every culture around the globe has a flood event story.
1Watt, Hermit |
Likely universally imagined to explain marine fossils found at elevation.
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Agent Orange
Well, maybe. But when there's an actual seal level rise of 20 metres 14,000 years ago, when people populated most of the globe, why go there?
Seriously RIL, where were you?
And spend a lot of money to come up with some sort of marker to warn civilizations tens of thousands of years in the future that it's there.
Eh, fuck 'em if they can't take a joke.
TKK, I'll email you.
Likely universally imagined to explain marine fossils found at elevation.
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Agent Orange
most settlements had to be near water, most likely just lots of local flooding.
And spend a lot of money to come up with some sort of marker to warn civilizations tens of thousands of years in the future that it's there.
I STILL remember the NYT Sunday Magazine article about that from 20-25 years ago.
Fascinating.
Sorta like our plan for spent uranium ore -- dump it in a cave or something, hope it stays there.
Or use it for ammo to contaminate a country or two with heavy metals that cause birth defects, etc.
Oh, no!
GOP unifies against any more stimulus spending
WASHINGTON – Republicans lined up Sunday in opposition to a second economic stimulus package, a rare demonstration of unity from an out-of-power political party in search of a rallying cry against President Barack Obama.
Republicans called Obama's $787 billion spending plan a "flop" and said it hasn't fulfilled its hype. They criticized the White House for increasing the federal deficit and doing little to combat an unemployment rate that hit 9.5 percent in June.
So let's see - if my math is right, 40 from 100 equals who gives a fuck what you think?
congrats, SOBE.
we have had them for 11 months, made 5200kwh of power, paid $12 for electricity and now have a credit backed up worth about $120.
Seriously RIL, where were you?
In Hawaii with her secretary?
Alrighty, I just signed up for the USAF 10K walk/run in September.
There must be something wrong with me.
In Hawaii with her secretary?
I'd pay for THAT video!
Sorta like our plan for spent uranium ore -- dump it in a cave or something, hope it stays there.
I don't think the two issues are completely the same.
There are plenty of geologic formations around the world that hold gases-- methane in coal deposits, off sea natural gas, etc-- that have been stable for hundreds of thousands, if not millions of years.
I'm not saying it's not a concern. But it seems doable. If not, there's really not a Plan B.
Moe: thanks very much for the link to the Hansen dissing thread.
Is this Goldman story going to cause the excrement to hit the whirling blades -- or am I dreaming?
res ipsa loquitur | Homepage | 07.12.09 - 9:49 pm
Res ipsa: please try to imagine being an SEC lawyer who would love to go after Goldman because of this and then imagine how difficult it would be to open up a discussion about going after them when we are, as a nation, so interested in keeping our beloved banks afloat?
Neighbor to Noah- "Yo Noah. What's this you're building?"
Noah to neighbor- "It's an ark."
Neighbor- "Well I don't care what you call it, just get it out of my driveway."
I'd pay for THAT video!
dave™©
Seeing as how the topics included sea level and Hawaii earlier....
a rare demonstration of unity from an out-of-power political party...
they have done it all year and they did it all 8 years of clinton.
what is the rare part? dems dont do it?
Cosby was a genius
was?
I want you to build me an Ark. -atablarasa
bring me two of every creature... except Penguins and wingnuts of course
Neighbor- "Well I don't care what you call it, just get it out of my driveway."
shrimplate | Homepage | 07.12.09 - 9:54 pm | #
How long can you tread water? Ha ha ha.
So let's see - if my math is right, 40 from 100 equals who gives a fuck what you think?
I tell you what, the MSM doesn't know what to do with itself with the GOP in decline. Read a story somewhere today ... New York Times Opinion section maybe? -- where they were trying to make the decline and fall of the GOP good news for Republicans.
Of course.
Just get over it people. You hitched your wagon to the wrong star.
I wish I had a secretary. Even though I really don't have any work for a secretary to do. I would hire a very nice-looking, highly-qualified young dude, preferably with long, flowing rock-n-roll locks.
Evening to geor3ge!
Well, maybe. But when there's an actual seal level rise of 20 metres 14,000 years ago, when people populated most of the globe, why go there?
Moe Szyslak |
Offshore marine fossils are found tens of thousands of feet above sea level. Historic changes of 20 meters are chicken shit compared to 100 million years of depostion, consolidation and orogeny.
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I would hire a very nice-looking, highly-qualified young dude, preferably with long, flowing rock-n-roll locks.
res ipsa loquitur | Homepage | 07.12.09 - 9:56 pm | #
[marks calendar six months in advance]
Yes, Wittgy. I am dreaming.
It would be nice, though ...
39 minutes until the Entourage SEASON PREMIERE
Apparently res wants Jesus for his secretary. Get in line.
It would be nice, though ...
res ipsa loquitur | Homepage | 07.12.09 - 9:57 pm
I share this dream, but the description is autobiographical.
Offshore marine fossils are found tens of thousands of feet above sea level.
God put them there. Just to fuck with you.
I don't have a secretary. We have (unpaid) interns where I work, and we give them all of the menial tasks, like making posters, writing simple press releases, etc.
From my perspective, it seems like a crime for these kids to pay for college credits that they can get unpaid experience working at an office job.
Aa companion voiced some concern over the potential loss of our friends, the polar bears, but suggested that we'd get over it. Species die out, after all.
I suggested that prolly we would all be lost if our white friends were wiped out. Hate wingnuts and their split brains.
Offshore marine fossils are found tens of thousands of feet above sea level. Historic changes of 20 meters are chicken shit compared to 100 million years of depostion, consolidation and orogeny.
So you have evidence of pre-modern people on mountain tops finding fossils....
Maybe you do. But a hell of a lot of people were running away from rising sea levels. Probably stories from the latter were more likely to make the oral histories.
wish I had a secretary. Even though I really don't have any work for a secretary to do. I would hire a very nice-looking, highly-qualified young dude, preferably with long, flowing rock-n-roll locks
RIL on intercom: "Biff, can you bring me coffee and a bagel?"
was?
Kinda got lost in all the MJ hoopla.
RIL on intercom: "Buff, can you bring me coffee and a bagel?"
Finessed your typing.
So you have evidence of pre-modern people on mountain tops finding fossils....
Evidence? Yeah the entire Paleozoic, Mesozoic and Cenozoic rock record of the entire planet Earth! Is 600 million years good enough for you?
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RIL on intercom: "Biff, can you bring me coffee and a bagel?"
[why does she keep all her files on the bottom shelf?]
geor3gie, you chopped your locks!
Evidence? Yeah the entire Paleozoic, Mesozoic and Cenozoic rock record of the entire planet Earth! Is 600 million years good enough for you?
Hell, I was at the Burgess Shales, just a couple of days ago.
Not aware that the natives knew anything about them, tho.
RIL on intercom: "Biff, can you bring me coffee and a bagel?"
leibniz leibkins ♘☮
It would actually be more like, "Look, if you have nothing to do, just split and go to the beach. Oh, and take me with you, please. kthxbai."
Back in the 1980's when I was going to nursing school one of my classmates used to wait tables in the resort village of Lake George, at some fairly nice burgers/wine restaurant.
She waited on Cosby once. He left her a $100 tip on a tab of about the same. When she protested, he ragged on her about how maybe "it wasn't enough, Miss?"
I grew up on Cosby recordings, obviously. He "was" a genius only in the sense that he doesn't work a lot anymore, not that he's dead.
The wave of retirements, as best I can tell from the Morning Report, is starting to build now.
Xan
OK, that's pretty farking scary.
My point was, people could find fish fossils and say, WTF? and come up with all sorts of stories for them. Sure. But when they're actually running away from actual floods, those stories probably have more currency.
Maybe I'm wrong.
Fuck the deficit.
If China wants to fund our retrofitting our entire country for the 21st century, let 'em.
geor3gie, you chopped your locks!
res ipsa loquitur
Been growing them out again. Not as dramatically, though.
So, the last email I got says Malachy's. Is that correct?
One thing kinda funny up at Bliss was that Barndog had directions to his campground marked with comments like, "Simels regrets the error..."
and "Owls," and "DSH (Dime Sized Holes) for WGG"...
Cute.
It was a good thing he did that -- you wouldn't have found his place, otherwise.
I tried thinking once. It hurt.
Offshore marine fossils are found tens of thousands of feet above sea level.
most of those fossils pre date humans by millions of years and are a result of land masses rising, not the sea.
How fucked are developers who plunked "luxury" condos down all over Williamsburg?
So fucked that they are paying buyers' mortgage, maintenance, and real estate taxes for one year.
And yeah, the building is STILL empty.
From my perspective, it seems like a crime for these kids to pay for college credits that they can get unpaid experience working at an office job.
Vicki, Who ♥ Al Gore
I disagree. Nobody should be asked to perform services in the office place without compensation in return, unless it involves volunteer charitable work.
Your boss should pay the interns a nominal stipend. Anything rather than nothing.
Not aware that the natives knew anything about them, tho.
Moe Szyslak |
And at what elevation were you?
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Hell, I was at the Burgess Shales, just a couple of days ago.
Not aware that the natives knew anything about them, tho.
I read something a couple of years ago about the ancient Greeks keeping fossils in their temples.
Evening folks.
geor3ge, Follow BG's email instructions. I had to cede organizational duties on that one b/c of a commitment that evening. I will see you, but only for a brief bit.
Your boss should pay the interns a nominal stipend. Anything rather than nothing.
MP
Obviously, I didn't do a decent job of communicating my point.
I think it's a crime that these kids aren't paid for the work they do.
Gotta grab a bit of supper, back later.
I read something a couple of years ago about the ancient Greeks keeping fossils in their temples.
MSNBC has a fossil or two for discussions.
Hi Feral Liberal!
Where are you?
I think it's a crime that these kids aren't paid for the work they do.
Vicki, Who ♥ Al Gore
Oops, I totally misread your vibe.
I apologize.
And at what elevation were you?
Hmm. Good question. About 1,000 feet out of town... maybe, er, 5,000 feet?
Well below the tree line, and just a two-hour hike for an old fart like me, from the river valley. Surrounding native sites are much higher, so I assume there were all over the shales.
Neat thing: there are just two shales sites that have been investigated, but they've discovered about 15 outcroppings of similar geology.
My buddy works for Parks Canada, and tried to explain the whole thing to me.
I will see you, but only for a brief bit.
res ipsa loquitur | Homepage | 07.12.09 - 10:06 pm | #
Aw, dangit. Well, we'll have to do Sheep's Meadow another time. I'd love to see it.
At least at my institution, if a student does what is called field work and gets paid, he or she does not get a credit for the work.
At least at my institution, if a student does what is called field work and gets paid, he or she does not get a credit for the work.
leibniz leibkins ♘☮
Why not?
At least at my institution, if a student does what is called field work and gets paid, he or she does not get a credit for the work.
leibniz leibkins ♘☮
We hire undergrads who need to do intern work to complete their degrees.
I think it's nuts that they aren't paid for this work, personally, but I'm a dfh liberal.
So other than a humungous flood how did the local natives explain finding marine fossils 5,000 feet above sea level?
The same worldwide.
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At least at my institution, if a student does what is called field work and gets paid, he or she does not get a credit for the work.
leibniz leibkins ♘☮ | 07.12.09 - 10:11 pm
Well, that's just another example of how universities indoctrinate our children in the ways of teh socialism, ain't it.
I read something a couple of years ago about the ancient Greeks keeping fossils in their temples.
Toonscribe:
how else could they dream up the critters of the gods?
I think it's nuts that they aren't paid for this work, personally, but I'm a dfh liberal.
Vicki, Who ♥ Al Gore | 07.12.09 - 10:12 pm | #
I can almost understand receiving credits in exchange for the work, but it really shouldn't be an either/or.
At least at my institution, if a student does what is called field work and gets paid, he or she does not get a credit for the work.
This is a symptom of the moral bankruptcy of American academia. A degree from an American university is more a business transaction than a learning experience.
Why not?
Some archaic belief that academics should be purely academic.
So other than a humungous flood how did the local natives explain finding marine fossils 5,000 feet above sea level?
The same worldwide.
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Agent Orange
I'm not really disagreeing with you, AO, and sorry we seem to be on the wrong foot today... but, well, most people have always lived pretty close to the sea. Sea level rise would be something very much in their thoughts, especially those who actually had to pick up and run from it. Which would be most.
Sure, some other people probably knew about fossils atop mountains. It probably added to the story.
I can almost understand receiving credits in exchange for the work, but it really shouldn't be an either/or.
They pay for the field work credits for their course work, but they aren't paid for the work. It bugs me.
I can almost understand receiving credits in exchange for the work, but it really shouldn't be an either/or.
geor3ge
No, it shouldn't. If the intern work is worthy of a class credit, it's worthy of a buck or two as well, IMO.
They pay for the field work credits for their course work, but they aren't paid for the work. It bugs me.
Vicki, Who ♥ Al Gore | 07.12.09 - 10:15 pm | #
Sounds about as ridiculous as the "privilege to work" tax that used to be taken out of my check.
Xan, I know that there are some really wacky elements to NPS these days - that's why I haven't been distrait about hearing from Joshua Tree. I really don't know what to do about things any more tho. NPS is essentially the tail end of all the craziness of the SHrubbery - and it can't heal very fast because the whole tail is filled with human beings who really don't want to be disposed of, or forced into life as a Home Depot clerk.
It's beyond my ken. I've wanted things to be better but I just don't know what to do.
The wave of retirements, as best I can tell from the Morning Report, is starting to build now.
Xan
OK, that's pretty farking scary.
Upsidasium
Naw, this is the Good News. These are folks who, in other circumstances, might have put in for retirement a couple three years ago. That they held on, to get the work done. And to make sure they weren't replaced--in lifetime Civil Service posts mind you-- by a Regents U. grad who would spend their whole careers putting Creationst books in all the NPS park bookstores instead of just Grand Canyon (random example). This was heroism on their part, and dedication.
NPS has an almost military esprit du corps sometimes; people love their parks. I think it's the hats that do it.
OK. Time to get horizontalish. Good nite you good people.
If the intern work is worthy of a class credit, it's worthy of a buck or two as well, IMO.
The thing is, corporations take advantage of these "opportunities" and have a revolving door of interns who come in and do the grunt work with being paid.
See, I'm bitter right now. I really hate today's "corporate culture."
I'm trying to figure out what I can do on my own to get out of this rat race. I'm pretty depressed about it, at the moment, sad to say.
When I was finishing my bachelor's, I had already landed a job as a technical writer. I earned credit for a practicum (paid for the class) AND was being paid my regular wages. My boss just had to fill out some forms at the end of the semester saying what I'd done and how I'd performed.
My US gov office has a bevy of unpaid summer interns right now who stand zero chance of getting hired at any time in the future. It's ugly.
I meant "without being paid."
CNN) -- President Obama has ordered national security officials to look into allegations that the Bush administration resisted efforts to investigate a CIA-backed Afghan warlord over the killings of hundreds of Taliban prisoners in 2001.
Interns should be paid in clean sheets.
"The indications that this had not been properly investigated just recently was brought to my attention," Obama told CNN's Anderson Cooper in an exclusive interview during the president's visit to Ghana. The full interview will air 10 p.m. Monday.
"So what I've asked my national security team to do is to collect the facts for me that are known, and we'll probably make a decision in terms of how to approach it once we have all of the facts gathered up," Obama said.
The inquiry stems from the deaths of at least 1,000 Taliban prisoners who had surrendered to the U.S.-backed Northern Alliance in late 2001.
I think it's the hats that do it.
I think ur right.
Well, I got my solr panels fired up finally. My inverter tells me how much carbon I save a day. Love it. Unf. it's rained all fucking weekend so I haven't had too much fun yet but it's quite a kick nonetheless.
Southern Beale
Heh. I checked ours probably eight times a day, when it finally came fully on line (panel shortage; signed the contract in June 2004 and signed off in February 2005).
Total electricity use since then: 17,659 kwh off-peak
Negative 778 kwh peak
Displaced carbon: 14,849 kg
Total output: 27,033 kwh
Daily: 19 kwh
This month's electricity bill: $5.40.
Total since March 1: $52.50, including electric heat for most of March.
Mr. McMansion across the street, who also has solar and is a little competitive, thinks we ought to whack out 40-foot elm tree, since it shades the panels from 3 p.m. on.
Unlikely.
Hi IL! How y'doin?
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My house has a long slanting 'saltbox' roof facing SW. I think it's a prime candidate for solar cells.
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NPS has an almost military esprit du corps sometimes; people love their parks. I think it's the hats that do it.
Xan
[sigh of relief]
We've got a couple of really good friends who are long-time interpretive rangers. They don't talk politics, except very indirectly, but the thought of them being replaced by Bushies or their ilk (the National Parks are a resource to be harvested) does tend to make the old blood run cold.
"scholars such as. . . Douthat. . ."
Yeah. I stopped reading right there.
sheets
Yes. Take that, government! You can't do anything! Boo society! Go away, social contract! Me! Me! Me! With private everything, I can pay twice as much for the same crap!
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