I'MMA LET YOU FINISH
Trust me, to most evangelicals, Mormonism is indeed a cult.
Atrios, ahoy!
Tied for first? I'm glad. That's so sad.
More gambas!
Less asshat.
I used to have 2 big right-wing churches who had recording studios as clients, so I can say affirmatively that they do consider Mormons un-Christian.
I've been looking at OSHA standards for chemical exposure. The first thing I'm going to look for is a publicly posted MSDS sheet for the chemicals I know to be floating around. (you can smell them). I don't think they have been posted. That's the first violation. The second one is inadequate engineering controls of exposure, as recommended by the MSDS sheets. That is violation #2.
I think Monday will be a fun day for me.
I believe in oral sex. Does Mitt thinks that qualifies me to lead the country?
Oh. And I have faith in a second coming.
I believe in oral sex. Does Mitt thinks that qualifies me to lead the country?
Only if you wear your holy underoos.
I have to admit, I quite enjoyed the Pope telling evangelicals that their "church" is a load of hooey, only the Catholics count.
Heh.
Only if you wear your holy underoos.
Mine have a very special hole.
Gambas are the gods of Atrios.
Oh. And I have faith in a second coming.
Viva Viagra!
I know Faith. Faith is a friend of mine. Mitt, Faith would rather kiss a dead snake than mingle with you.
She has much better taste than that.
Mr. Giuliani took a fateful step that would for years prompt questions about his racial sensitivities. In September 1992, he spoke to a rally of police officers protesting Mr. Dinkins’s proposal for a civilian board to review police misconduct.
It was a rowdy, often threatening, crowd. Hundreds of white off-duty officers drank heavily, and a few waved signs like “Dump the Washroom Attendant,” a reference to Mr. Dinkins. A block away from City Hall, Mr. Giuliani gave a fiery address, twice calling Mr. Dinkins’s proposal “bullshit.” The crowd cheered. Mr. Giuliani was jubilant...
http:// electioncentral.tpmcafe.c...eaming_bullshit
rootless2 | 08.11.07 - 3:13 pm | #
Only if you wear your holy underoos.
Mine have a very special hole.
Mitt's will have racing stripes by the Nov election.
Legally, is a 'person of faith' similar to a 'person of interest'?
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Viva Viagra!
Biochemistry is amazing, but more amazing is the skill of your partner.
Oh. And I have faith in a second coming.
Viva Viagra!
Bravo!
Maybe, Mitt's Mormonism should be, like, tenth on the list of reasons to vote or not vote for him.
Legally, is a 'person of faith' similar to a 'person of interest'?
Sure, if they're muslim.
ron paul is a whacko. Small government: Get rid of dept of ed., don't need SS etc.
So, everybody have their outfit to celebrate the Feast of St. Rudy on 9/11?
A little paper face mask filter, a bloody shirt and a dusting of chalk and ashes?
I leave you avec zis.
I have to admit, I quite enjoyed the Pope telling evangelicals that their "church" is a load of hooey, only the Catholics count.
Jack Chick tract depicting what fundies think about Catholics....
Are Roman Catholics Christians?
http://www.chick.com/reading/tra...071/
0071_01.asp
Stop me if this is old news, but did you guys hear Bill Richardson at the gay forum thingie?
Melissa Etheridge asked if being gay was biologically determined or a choice?
He said a choice.
Etheridge then asked him again, real slow, implying uh, Bill, wouldn't you like to change your answer on that one?
Richardson wouldn't.
What an asshole.
He's dead to me -- seriously.
Maybe, Mitt's Mormonism should be, like, tenth on the list of reasons to vote or not vote for him.
Digital Traveler
Seriously, I wonder how he 'polls' among Mormons?
Better than David Goresch did with the Branch Davidians, I'll bet.
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ron paul is a whacko. Small government: Get rid of dept of ed., don't need SS etc.
Ron Paul is like a singer at a Holiday Inn bar.
OTOH, I think Mitt's plan of replacing all voting machines with big hats into which election officials peer to divine the vote counts could actually be an improvement.
I leave you avec zis
Crikey, Babs needs to be put into dry dock and have the barnacles scaped off her.
I leave you avec zis. watertiger
The Bush clan is to fashion what white people more generally are to dancing.
"Mitt's Mormonism should be, like, tenth on the list of reasons to vote or not vote for him."
and his jack o lantern grinning visage is only another 10% of the reasons not to vote for him.
http://www.nypress.com/19/52/new...-the-
Leader.jpg
Keep adding up all those 1/10ths reasons to not vote for him, and it starts looks like a populist mine collapse falling on his head.
Baptist minister huckabee is up.
Basic rule of thumb: If you don't want people questioning your religion and its tenents, shut the fuck up about how important religion is in choosing a president.
He's dead to me -- seriously. steve simels
I gotta say, I was no fan of him over his GOPish economic policies, but that pushed me right off him entirely.
Keep adding up all those 1/10ths reasons to not vote for him, and it starts looks like a populist mine collapse falling on his head.
Doug from Tucson&Montana
You can actually get up to about 320% with pretty much any of these clowns.
I don't particularly have an opinion about whether Mormonism is cult-like or whether Jesus Christ would endorse the Mittster...
Fer chrissake, what other religion lets you be a near pedophile and get away with it. The true Mormons let their 50+ year old ture believers and elders choose girls as young as 15 to be their brides. Yes, brides. You can have as many as you want. And the girl don't get to say much about it.
You have to wear those funny under-garments, even when you're banging away on one of your wives, but i guess it's worth it. At least if you're not one of the mud people. An elder had a vision and god told him blackss were made of mud, that's why their black. And stinky. And why it's ok to treat 'em like dirt, cause that's what they are.
So Mitt is right. We need a true believer in the White House. No fakers like GWB. Someone who believes and obeys the word of god, before and above anything else, and no matter what the hell it tells him to do.
Praise the Mormon Jeebus.
Ney Aide Wore Wire to Nail His Boss
http://www.tpmmuckraker.com/arch...ives/
003905.php
Another wrinkle in the story of ex-Rep. Bob Ney (R-OH), who's currently a guest of the Bureau of Prisons in rustic West Virginia. Ney, of course, pleaded guilty last year to accepting bribes from Jack Abramoff.
It turns out that investigators built their case with the help of Ney's very young chief of staff, Will Heaton, who recorded phone conversations with Ney, even wearing a wire during a 2 1/2-hour meeting. The revelation came in a court filing earlier this week. Heaton, who's pleaded guilty to corruption charges, will be sentenced next month, and prosecutors are arguing for a lenient sentence for the staffer, given the help he was in bringing down his boss.
Why did dem congresspeople capitulate last week and allow bush to continue along his path toward dictatorship?
Here's a reasonable answer:
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/08/1...69-OIg4yzoOYZs/
Richardson is an odd duck. He has a reputation for coming onto female staffers. Also, as Hecate has well explained, he let the california dereg/enron fuck up go on while he was sec of energy. He's like a democratic Tommy Thompson.
'"Would Jesus Christ vote for Mitt Romney?"' Would Christ even vote? These people are so un-self-reflective that it is pretty amazing.
As I recall, although it was many years ago, John F. Kennedy responded to those concerned about his Catholicism that he should be judged by his values and his vision for America, not his religion.
We seem to have regressed these past 48 years, eh?
http://www.truthdig.com/report/i...ugust_8_a_bomb/
Robert scheer on the terrorism of the US nuking of Nagasaki and Hiroshima.
How can any person anywhere casually mention using nukes as payback for, say, a suicide bomber? Oh, the horror of it.
You have to wear those funny under-garments, even when you're banging away on one of your wives,
You had to put that picture in my head, didn't you. You sadistic bastard!
Wouldn't it be great if all the rethug candidates got destroyed, leaving only Ron Paul?
I suppose you've all seen the news about Ghouliani's secret love nest bunker.
Why did dem congresspeople capitulate last week and allow bush to continue along his path toward dictatorship? Here's a reasonable answer:
That, or as Tom Bodett suggested this week on Wait Wait, Rove still has a cache of photos of Dems naked with goats.
Alright, I'm certainly no fan of Mormonism, but db is wrong on almost every count. We don't judge all Catholics by their fundie minority, nor should we judge all Mormons on their fundie fringe.
"Would Jesus Christ vote for Mitt Romney?"'
It's so far beyond ridiculous I don't know how to characterize it.
We seem to have regressed these past 48 years, eh?
Diane C. Barking-Mad | Homepage | 08.11.07 - 3:24 pm | #
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In 1962, Catholic Bishops never would have dreamed of intervening in politics like todays Republican Bishops.
Ruh roh:
‘We did not get any response’ from Utah mine, official says
Ugh.
I like this idea:
Is it really too much of a stretch to make the alleged radical thugs of, say, Your Black Muslim Bakery walk the streets in glittery, golden "I (Heart) Winnie The Pooh" sweatshirts and Amish hair bonnets and pink tutus? Can we make NFL quarterback and accused dog-abusing imbecile Michael Vick parade around in a tiny "Blues Clues" tube top and hot pink Barbie purse and a pair of sweet Candies pumps? You're goddamn right we can.
Gang bangers in powder-blue "Celine Dion World Tour" sweatshirts? Dick Cheney in a giant purple Barney jumper? Ann Coulter in a Tinky Winky constume and rolled in honey and set atop a mound of fire ants? Weak-kneed Dem congressmen who talk about battling the vile GOP machine but actually do nothing, in Eddie the Eagle NRA costumes? Endless possibilities, really.
http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/articl...&
type=printable
You have to wear those funny under-garments, even when you're banging away on one of your wives,
I asked some of my Mormon friends from Pinesdale Montana, about that. Most said they preferred to go commando, bare and nekid, in spite of what their church recommends.
In 1962, Catholic Bishops never would have dreamed of intervening in politics like todays Republican Bishops.
rootless2 | 08.11.07 - 3:26 pm | #
I'll bet they were intervening into a lot of young boys though.
Absofuckinglutely
nor should we judge all Mormons on their fundie fringe.
Unfortunately, my Mormon neighbors did nothing to make me feel better about the religion in general, but there must be more normal ones out there.
"Would Jesus Christ vote for Mitt Romney?"'
It's so far beyond ridiculous I don't know how to characterize it.
V for Virginia | 08.11.07 - 3:26 pm | #
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There is a great Lenny Bruce bit about Jesus and Moses visiting St. Pat's.
Isn't mormonism based on some printer's plates of some wacky 18th sci fi novel?
Commando fucking, eh?
oops meant 18th century
‘We did not get any response’ from Utah mine, official says
Deregulation is literally murder.
Miners are dying for increased profits, thanks to the GOP.
One of the few choices I recall as regards sexual orientation has to do with which breast to fondle. Speaking of choice in terms of sexual orientation is like asking a parent whether he or she chooses to love his or her children. A lot of this is hard wired or very-early wired. Read some fucking developmental psychology, Richardson!
based on some printer's plates of some wacky 18th sci fi novel?
Better or worse than being based on L Ron's 19th nervous breakdown?
Deregulation is literally murder.
Miners are dying for increased profits, thanks to the GOP.
Richard
It's not just deregulation, Richard. The Mining Safety Health Agency is run by political appointees from the mining industry and its lobbyists.
No expert here, but I've read that they are allowed to remove the underoos during coitus. While they marry young, only the fundies take multiple young wives and they have been excommunicated from the mainstream church.
A Thai cop being shamed with a hello kitty pink armband.
(picture)
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/ima...rld/
07kitty.jpg
, only the fundies take multiple young wives and they have been excommunicated from the mainstream church.
Is bigamy still legal anywhere?
Okay, it's been fun as usual, but now I have to go prepare for the bus ride to Gomorrah on the Hudson.
Where, it appears, I'll be quaffing elitist chardonnay in the company of several other NYC area Atriots.
Could be a hot one!
Read some fucking developmental psychology, Richardson!
"Do you believe our gasoline engines are powered by combustion?"
"I'm not a petrochemical engineer."
Isn't mormonism based on some printer's plates of some wacky 18th sci fi novel?
Is that more wacky than Moses getting instructions from a burning bush?
Miners are dying for increased profits, thanks to the GOP.
Richard
Did anyone catch any more information about the "Mexican nationals" who were among the missing?
Maybe it would only matter to us, but if they're hiring illegals their base ought to be pretty pissed off. (Naturally they could be perfectly legal -- i'd just like to know.)
Gotcher duplicate post right here, haloscam.
Is bigamy still legal anywhere?
Saudia Arabia, which is our close ally.
Is bigamy still legal anywhere?
smalfish
Not in the U.S.
Is that more wacky than Moses getting instructions from a burning bush?
Richard | Homepage | 08.11.07 - 3:33 pm | #
People have been arrested for saying that.
Trust me, to most evangelicals, Mormonism is indeed a cult.
SteveAudio
Heh - to mainstream Protestants, Mormonism is a cult. Or, according to the extraordinarily rare joint declaration by the United Presbyterians, United Methodists and Congregational Churches, "Mormonism is an heretical cult". Trust me - the Lutherans feel the same way about it.
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It's not just deregulation, Richard. The Mining Safety Health Agency is run by political appointees from the mining industry and its lobbyists.
It's not even that. This about ignoring the law.
Saudia Arabia, which is our close ally.
spinoza | 08.11.07 - 3:34 pm | #
Well, maybe the boosh admin's ally. The US and Saudi Arabia are both terrorist-spawners
People have been arrested for saying that.
Arrested and sent to prison.
I am not wrong, my friend. The church did reluctantly and in its official text give up polygamy...but only after the federal government threatened to pretty much banish the religion and lock up its elders.
The reality is that polygamy is still practiced, and it is practiced by some members of the official, mainstream church. There are polygamist communities right in Salt Lake City. And you are right that a bunch of true believers who allowed marriages of elders to 15 year old girls in a small town in southern were not allowed in the main church, the respectable one that owns most of the state adn all of the politicians, but they were not doing anything that was inconsistent with the true teachings and origins of the church.
The only reason polygamy is banned within the church is because the federal government demaded it if Utah was to become a state. Moreover, a church elder was told by god that balcks came from mud. ANd it became the word of the church...until so it became so damaging to the church and its economic interests that they dumped it. Can you imagine, erasing the word of god like that!
Trust me - the Lutherans feel the same way about it.
Not this one.
Is that more wacky than Moses getting instructions from a burning bush?
What can be more wacky than making up a messiah out of whole cloth? And then shepherding the populace with the concept?
I was thinking if we open each conversation with some bible quotes, we can openly discuss burning bushes, destruction of entire cities, slavery, holy terror, apocalyptic scenarios of death and destruction, etc. If questioned, we can honestly claim we're just talkin' about Jesus.
Lutherans -don't- see Mormonism as an heretical sect? Interesting.
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If questioned, we can honestly claim we're just talkin' about Jesus.
Mike
I hear that cat Jesus is a bad . . .
--shut yo mouth!
I'm just talkin' about Jesus
--I can dig it
we're just talkin' about Jesus.
My inexpert opinion is that the message of Jesus can be summarized as
"Try not to be such an asshole all the time."
Can you imagine, erasing the word of god like that!
db | 08.11.07 - 3:38 pm | #
I do it all the time, burning these ancient parchments I found.
a church elder was told by god that blacks came from mud. ANd it became the word of the church...until so it became so damaging to the church and its economic interests that they dumped it. Can you imagine, erasing the word of god like that!
db
I understand that the folks at Stanford said their athletic teams wouldn't be playing Brigham Young teams unless that belief got...er...modified.
Lo and behold, god came to one of the leaders in a dream and said that blacks DID have souls after all.
,i>Lo and behold, god came to one of the leaders in a dream and said that blacks DID have souls after all.
Terry C - Wingers R WATBs
Bog loves him some sports action!
I haven't been around these parts much in the last several months due to familial circumstances (i.e. the birth of Our Second Peanut in May), but I did, for the record, having popped by to see what Atrios was up to, want to disassociate myself from the post below ( Stu and The Terrorists - BFFs! ) and to make clear that there is a wide gulf between the two camps of Stu's, one hating America and everything it stands for (so far, as far as we are aware, comprised of single said individual) and the rest of us librul America loving Stu's.
That is all.
god came to one of the leaders in a dream and said that blacks DID have souls after all.
Pfft, they could have learned that from Sam and Dave.
That is all.
sdf (Stu), rarely seen
Whew! Thanks for clearing that up!
I think more should be made of the fact that the Mormons hold the book of Mormon over the Bible. While they believe in Jesus, it's more the historical Jesus as opposed to one's savior. That ought to be enough to keep the fundies home.
db - Mainstream Mormons don't practice polygamy wide spread.
We don't judge all Catholics by their fundie minority, nor should we judge all Mormons on their fundie fringe.
ql-was in NY
Neither religion is very women or gay friendly.
Just sayin'....
"I think more should be made of the fact that the Mormons hold the book of Mormon over the Bible. "
Same here, the bible is waaaay down on my to-read list.
Welcome back, Stu, and congratulations.
I'm reasonably certain our host was not referring to all who are named Stu in his post below.
Lutherans -don't- see Mormonism as an heretical sect? Interesting.
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GWPDA, Unable to Leave | Homepage | 08.11.07 - 3:43 pm |
I wasn't taught that. I'm sure there a great many Lutherans who think Mormonisim is a bit 'out there', but don't think it's an official line.
Deregulation is literally murder.
Miners are dying for increased profits, thanks to the GOP
Death and injury as acceptable risks to get profit is a sign of...
(I'm getting my guns loaded for this exact issue. Keeping the laser printer spitting out the appropriate regs.
I'll see if these guys are honest folks, or a bunch of shit heads.
In which case me flushing their business down the toilet, I won't feel bad about doing.
Mitt bears a striking resemblance to many televangelists.
ron paul is a whacko. Small government: Get rid of dept of ed., don't need SS etc.
hadenough
Anti-choice.
Mitt bears a striking resemblance to many televangelists.
Nim, ham hock of liberty
Department store mannequin.
Like Ralph Reed.
Whew! Thanks for clearing that up!
It seemed that it needed to be done.
I've tried reading the Book of Mormon.
Makes even less sense than the bible.
Warners to remake 'Enter the Dragon'
http://www.variety.com/article/V...egoryid=13&
cs=1
Bruce Lee starrer 'Enter the Dragon' is set for a noir-style remake
from 'The Shield' exec producer Kurt Sutter.
Warner Independent Pictures has set "The Shield" exec producer Kurt
Sutter to write and make his feature directing debut on "Awaken the
Dragon."
Noir-style remake of "Enter the Dragon," the 1973 martial arts classic
that made Bruce Lee a global star, will be produced by John Wells,
Fred Weintraub and Paul Heller.
Sutter said he's writing "Awaken the Dragon" as a contemporized drama
about a lone FBI agent who pursues a rogue Shaolin monk into the
bloody world of underground martial arts fight clubs.
I'm reasonably certain our host was not referring to all who are named Stu in his post below.
You never can be too careful with that sneaky slime merchant.
And thanks.
Well, I haven't met one western religion that's not a patriarchal sky god hegemonic power-grabbing nutso con game except maybe the A FEW quakers and shakers. The mormons are just catholics without 2000 years of killing off over tribes to make catholics seem better. Paul was Joseph Smith to the limit.
Well, I'm going back to shocking the pool.
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Holy Underoos!
http://thumbsnap.com/v/zZsUDg3C.jpg
Episcopalians did decide to treat Mormon baptism as valid (although a lot of people didn't like that decision) -- BTW -- yesterday Bishop Tutu & his wife were at the monastery for lunch -- two great saints!
Well, I'm going back to shocking the pool.
Well, if your pool is grungy enough to have grown frontal lobes, this is an activity well spent.
Holy Underoos!
http://thumbsnap.com/v/zZsUDg3C.jpg
Terry C - Wingers R WATBs
Umm, isn't the men's version, you know, a little optimistic?
BTW -- yesterday Bishop Tutu & his wife were at the monastery for lunch -- two great saints!
Prior Aelred
Wow -- very cool!
Lutherans (by that I mean the official church, not individual believers) and all the other mainstreamers)condemn Mormonism as a wacko cult. They just keep very, very quiet about it.
BTW -- yesterday Bishop Tutu & his wife were at the monastery for lunch -- two great saints!
It is truly amazing that Bishop Tutu, his wife, and people like Mandela survived and turned South Africa into a democracy. There was a discussion here yesterday of how Sweden went from being a warring nation to what it is today. And how we could implement those practices to change +400 years of racist and imperialistic nonsense in this country to something else.
BTW -- yesterday Bishop Tutu & his wife were at the monastery for lunch -- two great saints!
Prior Aelred
Wow!
How nice for you, Prior A!
I've met them at All Saints and they both are incredible, courageous people.
The mormons are just catholics without 2000 years of killing off over tribes to make catholics seem better. Paul was Joseph Smith to the limit.
Religions are simply cults that have managed to hang around long enough and gathered enough followers to become "mainstream".
"we need to have a person of faith lead the country."
Cuz Bush has done such a great job, right, Mitt?
Tutu too?
Bumper sticker I saw just the other day:
"A religion is a cult with a bigger budget."
Speaking of "faith", time for some Fundy Fun:
http://www.rawstory.com/showouta...%
2F5045830.html
Cuz Bush has done such a great job, right, Mitt?
Terry C - Wingers R WATBs
Maybe they mean "faith in something beyond his/her own rightitude and awesomeosity."
Religions are simply cults that have managed to hang around long enough and gathered enough followers to become "mainstream".
Yep. Borges I think wrote a short story about abandoned gods feeling lonely. Zeus and Ares sitting around like grandparents in a distant nursing home.
Maybe they mean "faith in something beyond his/her own rightitude and awesomeosity."
V for Virginia
Mitt comes off as being the same way.
Mitt comes off as being the same way.
Terry C - Wingers R WATBs
"My sons are serving their country by getting me elected" -- says volumes, doesn't it?
"My sons are serving their country by getting me elected" -- says volumes, doesn't it?
I hope that fucking winnebago of theirs goes off the road.
Well Atrios, I reckon your commitment to equal rights, healthcare for all, fair wages, honest media, blah blah blah and just plain decency isn't good enough. You have to believe in some mythology to lead Murka and then it would be all right if you were a fascist pig snort.
"My sons are serving their country by getting me elected" -- says volumes, doesn't it?
Party before country - GOP credo
I'm sure I'd stand in speechless tears if I ever saw Bishop Tutu and his wife. I'm crying just reading about someone I don't know having met them.
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Last year, Love Demonstrated Ministries reported private and government contributions totaling $314,673 to operate the boot camp, with nearly 89 percent of the costs, $278,549, going for salaries.
Associate pastors at the Faith Outreach Center couldn't be reached for comment Friday.
Patrick Crimmins, a spokesman for the Texas Department of Family and Protective Services, said it "appeared that this operation is probably exempt from our regulation."
He said for a camp to be licensed, it needed to operate longer than 11 weeks.
The camp in Nueces County only lasts 32 days.
32 days of pure, unregulated hell for these poor kids. Do anything you want to my kids. Just bring them home to jesus.
Pussy.
Fred Phelps is coming!
Fred Phelps is coming!
Fred Phelps ... didn't come.
After the collapse of Interstate 35W, the Westboro Baptist Church of Topeka, Kan., dashed off a pair of news releases announcing members of its congregation would come to the Twin Cities to protest at the memorial services of some of the victims. For the past 17 years members of the church -- most, if not all, of its current 70 members are relatives of the Rev. Fred Phelps -- have picketed funerals of gay men who died from HIV/AIDS and, more recently, soldiers killed in Iraq. The sin they see in those who perished when 35W fell? Living in the "land of the Sodomite damned," an area that tolerates homosexuality -- and where the Phelps clan was met with resistance on their last visit.
Party before country - GOP credo
This meme needs to be pushed for both parties.
Speaking of "faith", time for some Fundy Fun:
http://www.rawstory.com/showouta...% 2F5045830.html
Cartman
This is a quote from that story...
"Obviously force was used, but the big question is whether or not it exceeded the force permitted by the parents," Bailey said, adding camp officials said they had permission slips from parents that allowed them to discipline their children.
Some things are hard to belive.
I'm sure I'd stand in speechless tears if I ever saw Bishop Tutu and his wife. I'm crying just reading about someone I don't know having met them.
I once met him, and was stunned by his presence.
You have to believe in some mythology to lead Murka
Oh, looking at his posts the last 12 hours, I think Atrios is in a schismed branch of the FSM, one that worships shrimp...
Fried, sauted, grilled, broiled.
I think I've had just about enough of a 'person of faith' leading this country.
In Capetown , Desmond Tutu's assistant bishop, Michael Nuttall, was known as "Two to Tutu"
I sat at the bishop's right hand at lunch & told him that I had "known" that the Boers would never relinquish power & that there would be a bloodbath in South Africa & that it was a miracle that after 27 years in prison nelson Mandela came out the man he was -- Bishop Tutu said, "But you were praying, weren't you?"
Some things are hard to belive.
excess force
What parent wouldn't want his/her child dragged behind a truck? Discipline, people, discipline! Spare the rod, etc!
I think I've had just about enough of a 'person of faith' leading this country.
Sallyh for Hussein, Grandmere | 08.11.07 - 4:07 pm | #
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Never heard sociopathology described as "faith", but it does work.
db - if you're discovered to be practicing polygamy, you will be given the left foot of fellowship and excommunicated post haste. I knew people in Salt Lake City who went that route. Got turned on to polygamy, got baptized into the United Apostolic Brethren, took wife #2, got excommunicated from the LDS Church, and then, much later, set themselves up as their own prophets, seers and revelators.
The mainstream Mormon church absolutely does not countenance polygamy in this lifetime. In fact, children of polygamists who want to become members of the mainstream church practically have to renounce their parents to do so--which is highly ironic given the "families are forever" image that the LDS Church likes to promote.
As for the afterlife, that's another story altogether.
And, as for the Protestant groups who have decided that Mormons are just not doctrinally correct to join their nice little exclusive club, a pox on them. It reminds me of the Lutheran pastor who, out of the blue one day, said to me, "I don't know how someone as smart as you could be a member of the Mormon church." I may be a Jack Mormon, but to blunt, I know a hell of a lot more about the fine (and not so fine) differences between the different Protestant churches and sects , how they came about and so on, and then to tell me that Mormons are weird and unchristian! I don't think so! In the larger scope of things, it really doesn't make a whole lot of difference. Which is why I don't go to ANY church anymore.
(sorry for the rant, folks, this stuff really infuriates me)
Some things are hard to belive.
excess force
Who cares what some parent did or didn't sign off on. What happened was torture, pure and simple.
Lock 'em up permanently.
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Prior, he is a man of great dignity. And a marvelous sense of humor as well.
Now that's the sort of faith I can get behind. John Edwards isn't inclined to talk about his faith, but anyone that cares about poverty and social justice the way he does, coupled with the sort of upbringing he had, should indicate that he walks the walk.
I think it was Seder (might have been Maron) who interviewed one of the Phelps daughters in the early days of AAR.
Are they real inbred or something? Because this woman was
N
U
T
S
in that special kind of no-branches-on-the-family-tree way.
rootless, I believe there are forms of 'faith' which could be deemed sociopathological. On the other hand, psychology isn't my field of study.
I sat at the bishop's right hand at lunch & told him that I had "known" that the Boers would never relinquish power & that there would be a bloodbath in South Africa & that it was a miracle that after 27 years in prison nelson Mandela came out the man he was -- Bishop Tutu said, "But you were praying, weren't you?"
Astounding. And remember that Reagan and Cheney and all supported the Boers. And, (here I am going to get killed by comments) there was a lot of mutual support between South Africa and Israel. And men like Tutu and Mandela took what others said would be a bloodbath and destroyed the racist Boer rule.
Lock 'em up permanently.
The news hasn't said anything about why these girls are at "Love Demonstrated Ministries". Seems to me, it would be a poignant part of the story.
Spinoza, ceiling cat was watching you masturbate, and then came into my house, screaming and drinking up all the Scotch.
I should apologize for using the term "pussy". I never use it, but Phelps' unique brand of hate gives more rage than almost anyone out there....including the current occupant of the WH.
OK, it's time for another nap. Have a good afternoon, bats, and when you have a moment, check out the latest latest cold war brewing.
What parent wouldn't want his/her child dragged behind a truck? Discipline, people, discipline! Spare the rod, etc!
V for Virginia
Yanno, I managed to raise two fine young women without ever giving them a spanking. Sad to say, once or twice I did lose my temper and smack em, but that's it. It really was just once or twice.
And, (here I am going to get killed by comments) there was a lot of mutual support between South Africa and Israel. And men like Tutu and Mandela took what others said would be a bloodbath and destroyed the racist Boer rule.
spinoza | 08.11.07 - 4:11 pm | #
Hey the CIA supposedly tipped off the cops for Mandela's whereabouts.
But my hero in SA is the late and much missed Chris Hani.
Er, gives me more rage...
I should go get ready for this wedding-thang that I'm attending in a few hours.
Later!
As soon as they respect my atheism, then I'll respect their belief in invisible friends who tell them what to do. Only seems fair?
And men like Tutu and Mandela took what others said would be a bloodbath and destroyed the racist Boer rule.
spinoza
It was utterly remarkable. I was saying, "there won't be a white person left alive in SA." Glad to be wrong.
I would not vote for Mitt Romney.
ql, same here. My biggest problem is that I have a long fuse and often I'd let things go futher than I should have.
However, there have been some gloriously awful explosions.
sallyh-actually I have been doing class prep all day. managed to piss off mrs spinoza sayng I have to work. it isn't masturbation. it's another kind of self abuse.
Oh, looking at his posts the last 12 hours, I think Atrios is in a schismed branch of the FSM, one that worships shrimp...
Fried, sauted, grilled, broiled.
I belong to that cult most happily.
Spinoza, ceiling cat was watching you masturbate, and then came into my house, screaming and drinking up all the Scotch.
Sallyh for Hussein, Grandmere
I'll bet there's an interesting backstory to this little paragraph!
As soon as they respect my atheism, then I'll respect their belief in invisible friends who tell them what to do. Only seems fair?
This is it precisely. Give them the respect that they offer.
Spinoza, how often do you not piss off Mrs. Spinoza? 
If I wanted to, I could miracle Mitt's ass into the White House.
Oh, looking at his posts the last 12 hours, I think Atrios is in a schismed branch of the FSM, one that worships shrimp...
Scandal!
I have come to recognize that True Holiness can only come from the short, tubular form of Penne.
All other pasta, and especially their accompaniments, represent False Semolinities.
In a span of 24 hours, Rudy Giuliani and Mitt Romney each fell victim to what can be called the Republicans' "God Trap." That is, running as "men of faith" to lead what many of its own members call "God's Own Party," Giuliani and Romney are being called on it. And while Rudy's Catholicism and Mitt's Mormonism are now rightly drawing the attention each invited, the second tier Republican candidates are waging a holy war on each other.
For the details, see:
"Romney, Giuliani and the Republicans' God Trap."
questions for teh willard.
so, assuming that saying a person of faith is a broad based statement, does it matter then to which particular religion one is a member of?
and, if not, why don't you just convert then to the lutheran faith so you can lock up the right wing vote?
and, if you can not convert, just what is it about the mormon faith that makes you be so faithful to it?
simple questions, to stupid positions.
V for Virginia:
http://farm2.static.flickr.com/
1...c491071b5_o.jpg
The ONLY fucking faith I want any candidate to have is faith in the Constitution of the United States.
Fuck this reigious fantasy fairy tale bullshit.
How about some pragmatic faith in the rule of law?
Spinoza, when are you back at work? We have the usual crap this week and instruction starts the 23rd.
I've been doing an hour or two of prep a day since I got home from the Cape. I'm just about finished.
the nation does need to have people of different faiths but we need to have a person of faith lead the country.
Get the fuck out of this country, you Mormon piece of shit.
Spinoza, how often do you not piss off Mrs. Spinoza?
Could you rephrase that please?
Spinoza: how often are you in the good graces of Mrs. Spinoza and the cats?
angryspittle, you don't need faith in law. Its existence is evident.
However, there have been some gloriously awful explosions.
Sallyh
I know those well. Though I hate to admit it, since menopause, not a one.
sallyh-
I have been too scared to look up the date. And one of my seminars has another faculty member, and we have not yet begun to talk. I think she is more scared than I.
it was late in july at the quecreek coal mine when the water came rolling down/anais mitchell: quecreek flood
as black as bad blood to where nine good men stood shuddering, shivering, shouting for deliverance sure they would drown
and safe above ground, the boss paced around surveying the scene of the flood
after chasing away the UMWA so inspections were cheap- still he didn’t lose sleep
he just stood in the sun- "what could we have done?" he said, "this was an act of god"
and the president came from his party campaign to shake every hero’s right hand
after slashing the funds for the miners’ black lungs and the regulations- "god bless our nation," he said, "united we stand"
and the anchorgirl cried when the miners survived she lauded her god in his glory
and the tired cameraman packed up the van and they wore the same frown as they drove out of town where they found the next sellable story
and we who were raised by invisible hands and we who were raised on government lies we prodigal children of the promiseland
who’s gonna open our eyes?
How about some pragmatic faith in the rule of law?
Laws are only to keep you in line. Societal breakdown be damned.
http://farm2.static.flickr.com/ 1...c491071b5_o.jpg
spinoza
I've seen ceiling cat on a cheezburger somewhere.
It was utterly remarkable. I was saying, "there won't be a white person left alive in SA." Glad to be wrong.
Their reconciliation hearing there were the reason this happened.
Human rights violations had to be confessed to in their entirety, in front of officials, witnesses, video and audio recordings, or the perps would face the full punishment for their acts under law.
Sallyh!
Hope you & family are doing well -- taking a respite from teaching this summer, I hope (I also like Edwards -- Elizabeth more than John, but politics is the art of the possible)
I've been reading the authorized biography of Tutu -- apparently his high profile as a Nobel Peace Prize winner kept him from being assassinated by the SA government
His book, "God Has a Plan" is very simple & very beautiful -- he certainly walks the walk
Spinoza, I guess you're a much better crammer than I am. I suck at it.
/anais mitchell: quecreek flood
SteveLG
Is there music that goes with that?
sallyh- I do too. I am much more sleazy than you probably.
Prior, we're all well. My kids still manage to irritate me at times, but they're fine and I haven't had to beat them up too hard in recent history Maddy is gorgeous! She's so fun. I love this age--so much learning going on. Monsieur is at Frys,' which for him, is a Happy Place
Their reconciliation hearing there were the reason this happened.
Human rights violations had to be confessed to in their entirety, in front of officials, witnesses, video and audio recordings, or the perps would face the full punishment for their acts under law.
Confess and all shall be forgiven?
Spinoza--sleazy has its place
Doug from Tucson&Montana
This is a good thing, but long after what I thought would happen -- that the black population would just snap and, as the Prior said, there would be a bloodbath.
Their reconciliation hearing there were the reason this happened.
Probably not going to happen in Iraq.
SMELL THE MITT
Mitt Romney is a dope. He will never be elected President, because he has to kiss the ass of people that despise him.
If he thinks any cracker down in the south will vote for him, then he is more deluded than Joseph Smith, Brigham Young, and the rest of that whacked-out cult.
Their reconciliation hearing there were the reason this happened.
Probably not going to happen in Iraq.
I promise you. We're not leaving the ME until they have entered the fold of capitalism and greed.
Even if it takes a hundred years.
The Truth and Reconciliation Commission was brilliant -- the truth was revealed & reconciliation was made possible (never inevitable, of course) -- revenge would have simply perpetuated the cycle of violence -- as Gandhi said, "If we live by an eye for an eye, all of us will be blind."
If I wanted to, I could miracle Mitt's ass into the White House.
Jesus Christ
But you DON'T want to.
Smith and young were part of a whacked out cult?
You're kidding.
Mitt Romney is a dope. He will never be elected President, because he has to kiss the ass of people that despise him.
If he thinks any cracker down in the south will vote for him, then he is more deluded than Joseph Smith, Brigham Young, and the rest of that whacked-out cult.
Maybe Mitt should campaign in Nauvoo.
What parent wouldn't want his/her child dragged behind a truck? Discipline, people, discipline! Spare the rod, etc!
V for Virginia
James Dobson would love these folks.
Is there music that goes with that?
V for Virginia
Yes, indeed.
http://www.myspace.com/anaismitchell
http://www.anaismitchell.com/
I think Mitt can win the nomination & carry all the Bush states plus Michigan (his "family home state")
I don't see Hillary winning a single Bush state & expect her to lose several Gore/Kerry states
I am not happy about this, but the electoral college is not friendly to the Democratic Party
If the plan to award California's electoral proportionally (like Maine & Kansas) passes, the Dems are down another 20 votes -- it all sucks
Not in my wildest dreams nor with insomnia
Can I imagine Jesus giving Romney a
Vote for the preznitcy. But his behavior,
Not his religion, must offend the Savior –
For who’d expect to gain the Prince of Peace’s
Approval with a setter spewing feces?
who would jesus drag:
Aug. 11, 2007, 2:45PM
Pastor accused of dragging girl behind his van
A trainer also faces charges in incident at boot camp
By JEORGE ZARAZUA
San Antonio Express-news
A San Antonio pastor and an employee of his Christian boot camp were arrested Friday on aggravated assault charges, accused of dragging a girl behind a van after she failed to keep up during a running exercise. ...
Flowers, a retired U.S. Air Force instructor, holds the title of commandant of the boot camp he has operated with his wife, Janice, since the mid-1990s, states the camp's Web site.
The camp was created to "reinstill the values that have been lost in our society for a couple of generations, values such as discipline, morality, unity and integrity."
Exempt from regulation
Last year, Love Demonstrated Ministries reported private and government contributions totaling $314,673 to operate the boot camp, with nearly 89 percent of the costs, $278,549, going for salaries.
James Dobson would love these folks.
Umm.... It's quite clear that he sanctions this kind of shit. The federal government sanctions it and apparently so does the baptist church.
How far up their butt do you suppose their head has to be to think that Jesus would even vote? There's this book called the Bible, these bozos might want to check out.
"My sons are serving their country by getting me elected" -- says volumes, doesn't it?
V for Virginia
Says Mitt is your typical hypocritical asshole.
Don't tell me - let me guess. He never served in the military because he was off "on a mission."
Is there music that goes with that?
V for Virginia
In fact, NYC'ers may be interested to know that Anais Mitchell's performing at The Living Room, on Ludlow, at eight this evening.
What the acceptance of the Mormon story tells us is that it is no more goofy than the story mainstream Christians peddle.
Both are equally goofy.
I'll bet they were intervening into a lot of young boys though.
Mike
Know why altar boys part their hair in the middle?
(strokes boy's hair with both hands)
"It's all right, my son. No-one will ever know..."
Mitt, like any other group, there are good Mormons and bad Mormons. You are among the latter, because you don't grow your own rutabagas.
Mitt Romney is a person that is running on a haircut and a smile. He has changed his position more times than Jenna Jamison shooting a new porn flick.
Never underestimate the power of the fundies. They will not vote for him. He will not be the nominee. I wish he was, because he would be easy to shred.
I think Mitt can win the nomination & carry all the Bush states plus Michigan (his "family home state")
I don't see Hillary winning a single Bush state & expect her to lose several Gore/Kerry states
I am not happy about this, but the electoral college is not friendly to the Democratic Party
If the plan to award California's electoral proportionally (like Maine & Kansas) passes, the Dems are down another 20 votes -- it all sucks
Prior Aelred | Homepage | 08.11.07 - 4:29 pm
I'm not so sure about either scenario, you're preuming both are going to win their respective nominations.
Prior, I was really surprised, but all my new neighbors, save one, are big Hillary supporters. I think she is going to do fine.
Buckeye --
Not assuming that they will be the nominees -- just saying that the thought that a Democratic win is inevitable is simply not true
Honestly, I think Edwards has the best chance to pick up some Red States in the South or West
I'd prefer Gore, but he has high negatives & that is very difficult to combat
i listened to dobson the other day on radio. he thinks he's so smooth when everytime he throws out his political bullshit or endorses a candidate, he always prefaces his remarks with 'now, this is just my personal opinion'...
how the fuck can a 'wad church get away with that? under the guise of religion, they are totally a fucking political voice/advocate/koolaid drinking machine.
it's time to get someone following these nuts around and documenting all the times they abridge/abuse the non profit status that these fuckers hide behind.
SMELL THE MITT
Smell the Glove?
If the plan to award California's electoral proportionally (like Maine & Kansas) passes, the Dems are down another 20 votes -- it all sucks
Unless all the states go for it. Then the electoral college crap goes away.
If you get a chance, catch this week's This American Life. There is a fascinating story about conspiracy theorists who attack this woman who was in the 7/7 bombings in London. She started a support group and made the mistake of publicly disagreeing with the conspiracy theorists who believe it was all a government plot and engaging with them when she found they were attacking and misquoting her on their websites. She thought if they simply heard from someone who was there, they would stop saying horrible things. She was wrong.
Listening to these guys is like every exchange you've ever seen with a troll or conspiracy theorist here. The hallmark (as the woman notes) is a complete and utter lack of empathy and a dehumanizing of everyone who suggests they're full of shit. The reporter himself becomes the subject of an attack site.
SMELL THE MITT
Smell the Glove?
Sallyh for Hussein, Grandmere
loosely based on that, yes
Goddamnit,
Why doesn't Kucinich look like a 40 year old Robert Redford?
Prior Aelred, I hope they don't do that in CA.
Our 55 electoral votes carry a lot of weight.
spinoza --
Sadly, No -- Hendrik Hertzberg had a good Talk of the Town piece in the New Yorker about this -- the Congressional Districts are so gerrymandered that a presidential campaign would come down to campaigning in twenty "swing" Congressional Disctricts instead of the swing states
Our system sucks
Yes, indeed.
http://www.myspace.com/anaismitchell
http://www.anaismitchell.com/
SteveLG
Thanks -- I'm buying several tracks as soon as paypal reminds me wtf my password is.
Buckeye --
Not assuming that they will be the nominees -- just saying that the thought that a Democratic win is inevitable is simply not true
Honestly, I think Edwards has the best chance to pick up some Red States in the South or West
I'd prefer Gore, but he has high negatives & that is very difficult to combat
Prior Aelred | Homepage | 08.11.07 - 4:37 pm | #
I don't presume that the Dem nominee is a shoo-in, but I think that repubs are going to have to do a lot more vote stealing this time around to have a repub stay in the white house.
Whomever they nominate.
Wow, it slowed down in here, considerably!
Anyone need more cats?
.
Why doesn't Kucinich look like a 40 year old Robert Redford?
You may as well ask why doesn't anyone who does look like him run for office espousing the same views as Kucinich?
Mitt, did you know that Moroni didn't play the trumpet like Gabriel did, or even sing in the shower?
Prior Aelred -
Well you are right. I realized after writing that that I was not thinking clearly. I was supposing a district by district vote would echo the current congressional district votes. By no means is it a fair popular vote.
Anyone need more cats?
.
Jeffraham Prestonian
A person can never get enough cats.
You may as well ask why doesn't anyone who does look like him run for office espousing the same views as Kucinich?
Don't touch that subject! That is forbidden fruit.
Sallyh --
The story is that the "California Electoral Vote Reform" is not going to pass, but it is going to cost the Dems a lot of money to stop it (& it looks bad, right?)
Gotta run -- be good bats!
A San Antonio pastor and an employee of his Christian boot camp
No turning the other cheek for Christianofascists.
How could a measure to award California's electoral votes poportionally ever pass in this state? I have heard nothing of a petition for a referendum, and the state legislature is still totally dominated by Democrats. Aaahnuld can't just make that happen by his own will.
JeffCO
You're a fucking moron.
Having said that, I don't believe traumatized victims of false flag operations like the one staged in the tunnels of london should be victimized a second time by anyone. It's too late for you, though. PNAC is now a known quantity. The cat is out of the bag, and most Americans who pay attention now know who actually perpetrated the attacks of 9/11, and it wasn't some guy in a cave.
JeffCO is not a fucking moron.
Whoa. Somebody just committed a serious party foul.
A person can never get enough cats.
you need to watch an ad first
http://www.cnn.com/video/#/
video...a.cat.lady.reut
Dayum, Duane, can't you just express disagreement without being a dick about it?
I'm watching Dick. Everybody loves Dick.
.
Fish Head Sheets!
Eat them up, YUM!
mer, agreed.
he's a pervert, but most assuredly not a moron
"The Justice Department said that Gonzales arrived in Baghdad on Saturday for his third trip to Iraq to meet with department officials who have been there to help fashion the country's legal system."
GOnzo is going to see if there's any DAs to fire over there
Jeffraham, I can always use more Curly and LE!
And now, off to do some errands.
JeffCO -You're a fucking moron.
Yup, that's pretty much just how the radio interview goes.
JeffCO is not a fucking moron. mer
Thanks.
Dayum, Duane, can't you just express disagreement without being a dick about it?
V for Virginia
He a friend of yours Virginia? The answer to your question is yes. But not when he paints everyone who doesn't accept the Bush Administrations' line of bullshit as the manna from heaven he seems to think it is. Bush's government did have more than a little bit to do with 9/11. Now, why don't you and your friends smear everyone who doesn't think the Bushies told the truth about 9/11. Bush, Lie? Impossible.
(sorry for the rant, folks, this stuff really infuriates me)
What, the history of the Mormon church, or how it markets itself today? It's fundamental beliefs are the same even if it did bickle under religious oppression from the US govt.
It's a huge corporate entity worth gazillions, btw.
What the acceptance of the Mormon story tells us is that it is no more goofy than the story mainstream Christians peddle.
Both are equally goofy.
Gomez
Yup. Fairy-tales. Discard formality, seek essence.
Dayum, Duane, can't you just express disagreement without being a dick about it?
Hey, at least he didn't claim I was a group entity created by the government to spread disinformation - that's what they said about this woman, even after meeting her. Anyone who disagreed in any way became part of the conspiracy and angrily denounced. Always angrily.
Hey, at least he didn't claim I was a group entity created by the government to spread disinformation
Well, are you? Or was that to innoculate you from answering the question?
Seriously, you're doing a parody, right?
Anyone who disagreed in any way became part of the conspiracy and angrily denounced. Always angrily.
Yeah, why be angry about elements of your own government killing innocent citizens to further its political and strategic goals?
Seriously, you're doing a parody, right?
JeffCO
Are you?
JeffCO
I mean, you can't really be that naive, right?
More on the Phelps gang:
http://ourworld.compuserve.com/h...rty/
expose3.htm
every day another rightie evangelical group attacks dog care expert Mitt but Hugh Hewitt says it's "liberals"
video John Safran does Mormoms and we have the movie pitch Extreme Mormons.
Yep, if he can criticize us for being atheists and say we're not capable of running the country then he's opening himself up to all kinds of criticism from others who don't like his kind of religion.
SMELL THE MITT
-Smells like dogshit.
I have opinions about both. LDS is a cult that should be suppressed. And nobody who really believes in any god at all should be allowed to hold any political office.
All of religion is a sickness of the mind.
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