HULK SMASH
Impeach!
Aren't we Dems too partisan if we don't concede to McSame before the election?
and Democrats should believe anything Drudge says because...?
What's a Drudge?
Hand Drudge a lollipop and congratulate him on covering what appears to be his first election.
The only shocking thing is that it's not 50% wanting Obama out and 50% wanting Clinton out.
I'm stunned. Nail me to the perch.
Ugh, I can't wait to go to Philly. I need to get away. Even the squirrels are annoying me lately.
A.
What does the other 56% want?
Impeach!
George Johnston |
it's not too late.
Athenae,
Have you been scooping up half-price Cadbury eggs?
Almost as bad as soldiers getting electrocuted in showers!
.What does the other 56% want?
res ipsa loquitur
For Drudge to go fuck himself.
What does the other 56% want?
res ipsa loquitur
Hot sex
What does the other 56% want?
res ipsa loquitur
28%: obama/clinton 08
28%: clinton/obama 08
res ipsa, just ate one, as a matter of fact. Breakfast of champions.
My skin is going to punish me, but it's worth it.
A.
Meanwhile Chimpy is at the Pentagon listening to his generals tell him what he ordered them to say.
Geez.
All I want is for Democrats to stop uttering the words "social security crisis" and "tort reform".
Must. Work. Now. Later.
Matt Ugh.
is it true that each of clinton and obama have received more primary votes than all the republicans combined?
waht is the overlap of those 22 percentages?
HBK, especially "tort reform."
I would much rather hear "Kill the insurance companies with fire and start over."
A.
Meanwhile Chimpy is at the Pentagon listening to his generals tell him what he ordered them to say.
P O'Neill
Somehow he still manages to look taken unawares.
I would much rather hear "Kill the insurance companies with fire and start over."
hear, hear.
what I find shocking is that I don't see ads for eggs and escort services on Drudge's home page.
I would much rather hear "Kill the insurance companies with fire and start over."
Thank you.
Driveby:
Does Gravel read Atrios? He just announced that he is switching from DEM to Independent.
oh my. this is gonna explode some heads:
Oregon Man Says He's Pregnant
Transgendered Man Has Had Chest Reconstruction, Testosterone Therapy
March 25, 2008—
BEND, Ore. AP -- An Oregon man is five months pregnant, according to a national magazine.
Thomas Beatie, who used to be a woman, appeared in the most recent issue of The Advocate, a magazine for lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender readers.
Beatie wrote the article and it included a picture of him while he was 22 weeks pregnant. According to the story, he went through a sex change, but decided only to have chest reconstruction and testosterone therapy.
Beatie was able to keep the reproductive organs he was born with. The article said he stopped getting the injections and was able to get pregnant.
Has anybody considered that it might be the same 22%?
Eggman is teh kool!!11!!!
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Does Gravel read Atrios?
no, just wall-writing. kudos to gravel for trying to keep progressive issues in the debate.
Has anybody considered that it might be the same 22%?
HoneyBearKelly, GrendelKhan | 03.26.08 - 10:38 am | #
thats what im thinking lol
And how many wingnuts think that McStain is the Manchurian Candidate?
Has anybody considered that it might be the same 22%?
HoneyBearKelly, GrendelKhan |
they polled 100 sockpuppets.
Hey Matt, 22%, hmmm.
that is about what the chimperor scores in the approval test.
c'mon - get clipped or you're still a woman
Has anybody considered that it might be the same 22%?
HoneyBearKelly, GrendelKhan
Those must be those serious Democrats that agree with WaPo editorials.
22% of Dems want Obama out and 22% of them want Clinton out.
-Atrios
What does the other 56% want?
res ipsa loquitur
Actually, it's the other 78%.
Of the 22% figure, 21% are the Al Gore dead-enders. The other 1% are the Kucinich dead-enders (NTodd and Dirk).
Obviously the only answer is to surrender to McCain now instead of facing a humilating defeat in November.
From below:
I know people have calculated this eight ways to Sunday and decided it's not possible, but I really hate that Michigan and Florida were disenfranchised. It breaks my heart, and a country that claims to be a democracy has no business shrugging their shoulders over that many voices not being heard.
It's heartbreaking.
Molly Ivors
I could not agree with you more; but there's just no fair way to do a revote.
I direct my anger toward Granholm and the leaders in our state government for being so selfish and short-sighted. It sickens me. I've written all of them, and I fully expect to receive flurry of form letters in the near future.
What does the other 56% want?
res ipsa loquitur
Hot sex
Culture of Truth
Oh, I think that's all 100%.
And how many wingnuts think that McStain is the Manchurian Candidate?
Lime Rickey
Not enough.
Compare Chelsea Clinton to Meghan McCain...
This has got to be good news for Detroit and the U.S. auto industry - Ford sells off luxury lines to Tata, major car manufacturer in India. Maybe I can get my new Land Rover for 30,000 rupee.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23797447/
Okay, I'm about to take a fucking hostage. I mean it.
The batshit crazy Republicans in Florida are taking things a step further. Now they want to cap the revenue stream to municipalities ... when they're already facing $24 billion in reduced revenue over the next five years.
And the proponent of this stupidity exempted his hometown from the cuts. Of course.
Fuck.
is it true that each of clinton and obama have received more primary votes than all the republicans combined?
dirk gently,sociopathetic
in many states that is true, but in some states if you add on the Guiliani or Thompson or Paul vote, they manage to barely top the Second Demo.
mostly Dem candidates are leading by a 2:1 ratio over teh Goopers.
c'mon - get clipped or you're still a woman
Culture of Truth
Even then, there's that whole "Y-chromosome" problem.
I could not agree with you more; but there's just no fair way to do a revote.
not only that, but as gov dean has pointed out no matter how fair they make it (some on) the losing side will cry foul.
i think Tata lives in London now.
22% of Dems want Obama out and 22% of them want Clinton out.
-Atrios
99% want teh sex.
Oh, I think that's all 100%.
Molly Ivors
Manola says hi, Molly. She's moving back to the mainland. I'll fill you in this weekend.
She said I have to give you and Thers hugs when I see you. I can agree with half of that. 
(I mean, I like the smell of bacon and all, BUT ...)
99% want teh sex.
attaturk
Sadly, "want" and "get" are two different things.
Obviously the only answer is to surrender to McCain now instead of facing a humilating defeat in November.
ThatGuy
You appear to have a future as a big media pundit.
Compare Chelsea Clinton to Meghan McCain...
watertiger
yea, and the WAPO manages to tag her "a straight talker" as well.
Sinfonian you should move out of Florida.
So 22% want Clinton out
And 22% can't stand Obama;
Agreed, this is a shock without a doubt
And e'en for Drudge's site a wrenching drama;
And yet in history's text barely a comma
And insignificant, trifling and limp
Compared to the two-thirds who'd boot The Chimp.
MALIKI UNIT - 3 DAYS
Maliki Gives Shiite Militias
72 Hours to Halt Fighting
The fighting threatens to destabilize a long-term truce
that had helped reduce the level of violence in the
five-year-old Iraq war.
Compare Chelsea Clinton to Meghan McCain...
watertiger |
still better than the bush twins' "bourbons of the world" post.
Compare Chelsea Clinton to Meghan McCain...
She knows what boys like.
Alas.
99% want teh sex.
attaturk
So 1% are closet Republicans?
The best McCain nick I've seen yet is "McThuselah". Brilliant.
Fly-fornication Moscowitz | 03.26.08 - 10:45 am
Standing ovation.
66% of Dems want the primary to continue.
I knew we were a party of masochists, but for fucks sake do all you people have gimp suits and hair shirts at home?
thanks for posting this, it is amazing how many Dems are straying from the reality based community.
Sinfonian you should move out of Florida.
euphronius Night School!
There are times when I agree.
But this is my home, euph. My kids live here. I love this place, even with all its foibles. The Repukes aren't a permanent fixture, I hope - or at least that's a bug, not a feature.
I'm staying, hopefully for good. (Or for bad, as the case may be.)
7% are girls who like girls
As an open minded person, I'm ok with that.
h0t
Driveby:
Does Gravel read Atrios? He just announced that he is switching from DEM to Independent.
It would be damn shame to lose all those Gravel supporters...
But this is my home, euph. My kids live here. I love this place, even with all its foibles. The Repukes aren't a permanent fixture, I hope - or at least that's a bug, not a feature.
I'm staying, hopefully for good. (Or for bad, as the case may be.)
Sinfonian, righteously angry | Homepage | 03.26.08 - 10:47 am | #
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all right. but that sounds like some brain dead governance. similar to the shit they pulled in CA in teh 1980s that destroyed parts of the state.
She knows what boys like.
HoneyBearKelly
Yes, she does.
Meanwhile Chimpy is at the Pentagon listening to his generals tell him what he ordered them to say.
P O'Neill
How many more days? 
The Repukes aren't a permanent fixture, I hope - or at least that's a bug, not a feature
Yeah. I keep telling myself that about Texas, and yet I can't help but wonder if I might be happier if I moved back to Virginia, not that it's any less Republican.
still better than the bush twins' "bourbons of the world" post.
dirk gently,sociopathetic
Which, of course, reminds me of the classic story of partying with NotJenna. 
DEPT. OF 'NO SHIT SHERLOCK'
Cigarette Company Paid
For Lung Cancer Study
The revelation that a researcher’s study was underwritten
by a tobacco company has caused an appearance of bias.
I'm staying, hopefully for good. (Or for bad, as the case may be.)
You have to, Sinf. You'll be the one scouting locations for the Atriot Senior Nursing Home.
all right. but that sounds like some brain dead governance. similar to the shit they pulled in CA in teh 1980s that destroyed parts of the state.
euphronius Night School!
It IS brain-dead. But I'd like to try to fix my home from within rather than abandon it. I've run away from problems before and learned the hard way that it doesn't help.
Maliki Gives Shiite Militias
72 Hours to Halt Fighting
But, but that's only 1/60th of a Friedman.
MADNESS, MADNESS
Fly-fornication Moscowitz for Eschaton poet laureate!
It IS brain-dead. But I'd like to try to fix my home from within rather than abandon it. I've run away from problems before and learned the hard way that it doesn't help.
Sinfonian, righteously angry | Homepage | 03.26.08 - 10:50 am | #
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maybe. but you only have so many years on this planet. IDK.
You'll be the one scouting locations for the Atriot Senior Nursing Home.
Marcellina
I thought Florida was going to be under water by then?
If they decided to seat the delegates proportionally, I wonder how that will play out. In Michigan, for example, do the "uncommitted" voters automatically forfeit to Obama?
I suppose, in a revote, I'd probably support Obama, but my uncommitted vote was actually for Gore (or Edwards) - I did not advocate for Obama at the time of our primary. So is it fair that Obama receive my "uncommitted" ink blot?
yea, and the WAPO manages to tag her "a straight talker" as well.
"Don't ask me; I'm just a girl!"
(giggle)
Ah, Barbara, the forgotten twin.
Maliki Gives Shiite Militias
72 Hours to Halt Fighting
"Don't make me stop this car!"
ruh roh -- pissing of our chinese overlords is not smart.
China Protests U.S. Mistaken Arms Parts Shipment
By Edward Cody
Washington Post Foreign Service
Wednesday, March 26, 2008; 9:37 AM
BEIJING, March 26 -- China issued a vehement protest Wednesday over a mistaken shipment of U.S. nuclear missile fuses to Taiwan, demanding a thorough investigation and saying the incident had "disastrous consequences."
The strong language reflected the depth of Chinese opposition to U.S. weapons sales to Taiwan, a self-ruled island that Beijing insists is a part of China. In particular, China has regarded with irritation a recent effort by the Taiwanese Defense Ministry to buy advanced F-16 warplanes to enhance its fleet of older F-16s bought from Washington a decade ago and Mirages acquired from France.
Yeah. I keep telling myself that about Texas, and yet I can't help but wonder if I might be happier if I moved back to Virginia, not that it's any less Republican.
David (Austin Tx)
Oh, I think Virginia is definitely bluer than Texas. Dem governor, future two Dem senators ... it's coming around. Depends on the part of the state, though (and I say that as a six-year resident of Virginia and graduate of one of their fine universities).
So is it fair that Obama receive my "uncommitted" ink blot?
I miss John Edwards.
David from Austin, you heading back to EschaCon this year?
I won't be there, but I remember meeting you in '05, and I am glad that I had the chance!
Maliki Gives Shiite Militias
72 Hours to Halt Fighting
No one could have imagined that ignoring al Sadr during his cease fire would cause him to take to arms again.
I don't see how polls can be valid about anything when lots of people don't even have home phones anymore and those who do have caller ID and know when to not pick up the phone.
.
Ah, Barbara, the forgotten twin.
ThatGuy
Oh, I haven't forgotten her. I still think she's cuter than her sister -- although I know I'm in the minority in that regard.
22% of Dems want Obama out and 22% of them want Clinton out.
Maybe it's the same 22% for both: they just want someone else.
China issued a vehement protest Wednesday over a mistaken shipment of U.S. nuclear missile fuses
can't say i blame the the chinese much for that.
"oopsie!"
If it's on Drudge I'm sure it will lead all the evening newscast's.
Fly-fornication Moscowitz for Eschaton poet laureate!
See, Lime Rickey? This is what happens when you give up your art.
The shocking part is that people still discuss and link to that hack.
He lives for hits. Give him nothing.
If they decided to seat the delegates proportionally, I wonder how that will play out. In Michigan, for example, do the "uncommitted" voters automatically forfeit to Obama?
I suppose, in a revote, I'd probably support Obama, but my uncommitted vote was actually for Gore (or Edwards) - I did not advocate for Obama at the time of our primary. So is it fair that Obama receive my "uncommitted" ink blot?
Vicki
On the assumption that no one concedes before the last primary (June), when the voting is over someone will have more popular vote and more pledged delegates. At that point the pressure will be on the 2nd place candidate to concede, and the FL/MI delegates can be seated voting for the winner.
But I have a feeling that Sen. Clinton will face tremendous pressure to conced after NC and IN vote in May.
I still think she's cuter than her sister -- although I know I'm in the minority in that regard.
No she's much better looking, and marginally more intelligent.
But only marginally.
Fly-fornication Moscowitz for Eschaton poet laureate!
See, Lime Rickey? This is what happens when you give up your art.
res ipsa loquitur
NTodd for Eschaton wanker laureate!
Morning, Moonbats!
Oh, I haven't forgotten her. I still think she's cuter than her sister -- although I know I'm in the minority in that regard.
Sinfonian, righteously angry
my son waited on them when they stopped at 'the flying biscuit' for brunch. he said they were very nice.
China issued a vehement protest Wednesday over a mistaken shipment of U.S. nuclear missile fuses to Taiwan
We can't do anything right.
I don't see how polls can be valid about anything when lots of people don't even have home phones anymore and those who do have caller ID and know when to not pick up the phone.
.
Sparkle Plenty
ruh roh -- pissing of our chinese overlords is not smart.
Hey, China...your epidermis is showing!
Dmaned tags!
Maliki Gives Shiite Militias
72 Hours to Halt Fighting
Al Sadr Runs Barter Town!.
Fly-fornication Moscowitz for Eschaton poet laureate!
See, Lime Rickey? This is what happens when you give up your art.
res ipsa loquitur | Homepage | 03.26.08 - 10:54 am | #
That's what I was thinking. Not that Fly-fornication is anything to sneeze at.
I miss John Edwards.
Molly Ivors
I do, too. I really like his message. I'm not sure why he didn't resonate with voters, other than the abject lack of media coverage on his campaign.
He's still a favorite of mine.
Sorry, loose ends:
Hmmmm, because of the bone-headed decisions of the political elites in MI and FLA, the voters of those states have to suffer the consequences.
No, not quite. The elected representatives in Michigan and Florida decided, against the wishes of both the RNC and the DNC to move their primaries.
That's what I just said. It was the elites IN THOSE STATES, not the national leadership.
See, Lime Rickey? This is what happens when you give up your art.
res ipsa loquitur
He was the former poet laureate who retired.
He knows we loved his *sonnets*. 
I do, too. I really like his message. I'm not sure why he didn't resonate with voters, other than the abject lack of media coverage on his campaign.
He's still a favorite of mine.
Vicki, Who ♥ Al Gore
BINGO.
I would assume that at least 22% of all Democrats are complete morons and extremely susseptable (sp?) to the media propaganda. That is the same for ~ 95% of all Repugs.
read the language in this statement. china's sitting back just waiting for the opportune moment to pull the plug:
"We demand that the U.S. side thoroughly investigate this matter and report to China in a timely manner the details of the situation and eliminate the negative effects and disastrous consequences created by this incident," said a declaration attributed to Qin Gang, a ministry spokesman. "We urge the U.S. side to keep the promises they have made . . . and stop weapons sales and military contacts with Taiwan to avoid endangering peace and stability in the Taiwan Strait and the improvement in Sino-U.S. relations."
Qin said China had made a "serious representation" to the United States over the shipment, which he said caused "strong displeasure" in President Hu Jintao's government.
Jenna photographs well
Sinfonian, : The Repukes aren't a permanent fixture, I hope - or at least that's a bug, not a feature
For you:
Thomas Jefferson : " A little patience, and we shall see the reign of witches pass over, their spells dissolve, and the people, recovering their true sight, restore their government to its true principles. It is true that in the meantime we are suffering deeply in spirit, and incurring the horrors of a war and long oppressions of enormous public debt...If the game runs sometime against us at home, we must have patience till luck turns, and then we shall have an opportunity of winning back the principles we have lost, for this is a game where principles are at stake. "
No, not quite. The elected representatives in Michigan and Florida decided, against the wishes of both the RNC and the DNC to move their primaries.
Once again, remember that we in Florida have an overwhelmingly GOP legislature, and they knew exactly what they were doing when they mandated the Jan. 29 primary date.
How about we put Maliki and Sadr in Thunderdome? Two men enter, one man leaves.
other than the abject lack of media coverage on his campaign.
There was that, but I talked to people who didn't like him - all for very good reasons, of course.
/sarcasm
So Sinf, they don't just want to drown our government, they want first to poison it, then to shoot it in the head, then beat it to a bloody pulp, then tie it up in a sack and throw it in the Neva river.
[reversed order from comment over on your place to make historical reference more blatantly obvious]
b) This is the primary, not the general. If Hillary is trying to win my support for her candidacy, should she somehow manage to win the nomination (a very unlikely result at this point, simply looking at the math), this isn't the way to do it.
There is a very real possibility that neither will end up with the required 2025 of delegates needed to win.
Then what?
This won't be a problem if Obama supports revotes in MI and FLA. There won't be any doubt then because all the delegates would be involved.
Why wouldn't Obama supporters want a clear resolution to this if they are so confident in what the results would be?
And if both BO and HRC adamantly support a revote, it will happen, let there be no doubt.
When the tub is overflowing, it's a good idea to turn off the water. Just sayin'
Meander, that's brilliant. And it means all the more to me as a graduate of Mr. Jefferson's college. (The one he attended, I mean, not the one he founded because his kids couldn't get into the one he attended. )
I love the way Meander responds to commenters. I'd steal his/her style, but then I'd feel guilty about it.
Meander rocks.
Continuing a theme...
Maybe Fly Fornication Moscowitz is Lime Rickey's nom de snarky poetry.
David from Austin, you heading back to EschaCon this year?
I won't be there, but I remember meeting you in '05, and I am glad that I had the chance!
Vicki, Who ♥ Al Gore
I'll be there with bells on (how much more than bells, I'm not sure).
sorry you won't be there, I was looking forward to seeing everyone from last time.
Sinfonian, : Once again, remember that we in Florida have an overwhelmingly GOP legislature, and they knew exactly what they were doing when they mandated the Jan. 29 primary date.
I don't know HOW the DNC let your Thug legislature get away with that.
Speaking of FL Thugs -- anyone hear how Debbie's doing?
I'm not sure why he didn't resonate with voters, other than the abject lack of media coverage on his campaign.
What were his favorables? I'm thinking that he was hurt by the strength of his competition rather than any lack of sympathy from Democratic voters.
Once again, remember that we in Florida have an overwhelmingly GOP legislature, and they knew exactly what they were doing when they mandated the Jan. 29 primary date.
Sinfonian, righteously angry | Homepage | 03.26.08 - 10:57 am | #
And the Dems that went along, not that they should be completely exonerated, did so because the GOP fuckheads tied it to the voting machine bill and made quite clear that the only way that bill was ever going through was with the primary rider attached to it.
Elias will you support the democratic nominee, whoever that is?
krsaz
Absolutely.
And you?
There's one think I want more than Obama to win. And that's for the fascist to lose. If that means HRC has a better chance, then why wouldn't fellow Dems agree? Especially when aggregate polling has consistently shown that HRC does better against Insane McCain than BO.
Instead, it's a foregone conclusion that it's over and HRC should step aside. If that's not the definition of elitism, what is?
There is a very real possibility that neither will end up with the required 2025 of delegates needed to win.
I believe the 2025 refers to the number of delegates required to make it impossible for anyone else to win. A majority still wins.
nona, how did the Chinese find out about the arms shipment?
This won't be a problem if Obama supports revotes in MI and FLA.
What part of "this can't happen" don't you understand?
It can't happen. It isn't fair to the people who originally voted in the flawed primary.
I watched the first two eps of "John Adams" last night. Really, really enjoyed it.
My favorite part was in the first ep, when Adams was speaking in the church. Remember that? I recognized that church instantly. Bruton Parish Church, Williamsburg, Va. I used to attend services there and have sung there many times.
Why wouldn't Obama supporters want a clear resolution to this if they are so confident in what the results would be?
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there is a clear resolution. MI and FLA dont count because they broke the rules.
Im sorry the rule of law is so hard for and Hillary to grasp.
Jenna photographs well
You think? I think she has those chipmunky McCain cheeks.
Meander, that so excellent quote was passed around quite a bit circa November 2004.
I might be happier if I moved back to Virginia, not that it's any less Republican.
Definitely depends upon the part of the state that you're in. Northern Virginia is blue, blue, blue and Hampton Roads is pretty blue. Southwest VA is still pretty red.
war torn sheets
Jenna photographs well
Jenna photographs "lusty" and her sister photographs "pinched."
sorry you won't be there, I was looking forward to seeing everyone from last time.
David (Austin Tx)
But you get to meet NEW people!
(I'm sorry Vicki won't be there as well.)
I believe the 2025 refers to the number of delegates required to make it impossible for anyone else to win. A majority still wins.
Falstaff
I stated that poorly. 2025 refers to the number of pledged delegates to override any influence of the superdelegates.
McCain's white daughter looks like Cindy Jr.
http://www.mtv.com/news/articles...0108/
id_0.jhtml
There is a very real possibility that neither will end up with the required 2025 of delegates needed to win.
Then what?
This won't be a problem if Obama supports revotes in MI and FLA.
I heard somewhere that the 2025 number was delegates to win without a FL/MI revote (their number of delegates not counted). If they revote (or somehow delegates are allowed to be counted), the magic number goes up to something like 2150.
The Alien and Sedition act was eventually repealed, good luck getting the spot of the Patriot act out.
Instead, it's a foregone conclusion that it's over and HRC should step aside. If that's not the definition of elitism, what is?
Elias's March madness
You need a dictionary.
.
This won't be a problem if Obama supports revotes in MI and FLA.
That's crap.
And if both BO and HRC adamantly support a revote, it will happen, let there be no doubt.
That's bullshit.
Instead, it's a foregone conclusion that it's over and HRC should step aside.
You think so?
"We urge the U.S. side to keep the promises they have made . . . and stop weapons sales and military contacts with Taiwan to avoid endangering peace and stability in the Taiwan Strait and the improvement in Sino-U.S. relations."
WOW! sounds like Steinbrenner after a 6 game losing streak.
Mr Bush are we going to take that from those Commie bastards?
Oh Yeah, I forgot. Nevermind.
America needs China to prop up the war in Iraq and to insure that cheap goods continue to flow into the US that ruining the economy.
Good God, what have we done? We sold our moral authority for Wal Mart trinkets.
Unless McCain dies, or he gets caught naked doing something or someone really weird, he will be President this time next year.
Friggin hilarious that so many people believe that a country that put up with Bush for two terms will vote for a sorta black guy from Illinois whose church hates America.
At least Clinton would be competitive with McCain. Repubs have fooled Dems into putting up Obama, the easier candidate to defeat. So, Dems are already losing in this race.
there is no way in Hell McCain wins Michigan.
"Dood" is smoking some really good stuff...
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What part of "this can't happen" don't you understand?
It can't happen. It isn't fair to the people who originally voted in the flawed primary.
Vicki, Who ♥ Al Gore
It will happen if both candidates support a revote.
So it _IS fair_ to accept the flawed and incomplete results of FLA and MI, but it would be _UNFAIR_ to do them the way they should have originally been done. And that's not elitism?
Wouldn't it have been great if all the votes were counted in FLA in 2000 and OH in 04?
I don't get you?