I'MMA LET YOU FINISH
hey now
Yes! Yes! Obama!!!!!
What?
Did someone slip espresso into your vodka drinks?
What? Sen. McCain wasn't straight-talking? Unpossible.
too many man-o-war!
BTW, I have had some Duvel ale this afternoon and all of you are looking exceptionally witty and charming.
Howie Fineman here to proclaim which Republican emerged as tonight's winner!
Screw the primaries! There's all-star hockey on.
p o o p
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Cops in 17 minutes, I hope.
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Oh, yeh...what about the GOP candidates? Did anybody win?
http://ccoaler.blogspot.com/2008...orting-
cnn.html
2%cnn:o51,c34
DO NOT LOOK at my cat!
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This is not looking good for Edwards.
C'mon John!
I wish Atrios would go away.
The straight-talker has made too many hard rights?
"This is not looking good for Edwards."
--Snow
Damnity damn.
''Now, one of my opponents wanted to set a date for withdrawal that would have meant disaster,'' McCain said about Romney
Ignoring the fact that it has been an unmitigated disaster from day one.
BTW, while we're waiting, in honor of the last frickin' State of the Union we have to endure from Bush, I have posted this week's edition of Bonus Critter Blogging.
I wish Atrios would go away.
NTodd, Self-proclaimed Indy
But... if he went away, the threads would get all bloated and stuff...
When will Georgie be giving his union.. uh ... his speech of the ... uh ... talk... his talk to the nation speech?
There's a lot less annoying buzzing in my ears this evening and a lot more of Olbermann's stentorian voice.
Damn, it's good to have Tweety off the TV.
Hey. I have three friends now. Thanks guys!
[verklempt]
talk amongst yourselves
[goes to get kleenex]
Hurray for Obama!
There will be huge momentum coming out of SC just like there was huge momentum coming out of Iowa. There was no momentum coming out of NH or NV. But that was just because.
When will Georgie be giving his union.. uh ... his speech of the ... uh ... talk... his talk to the nation speech?
ellroon
Monday I think.
"This is not looking good for Edwards."
--Snow
Damnity damn.
mer
I just this minute crossed my mind that the divisiveness could get even worse if it's down to Obama and Clinton.
Yikes.
When will Georgie be giving his union.. uh ... his speech of the ... uh ... talk... his talk to the nation speech?
Monday is Legacy Day.
I do hope that Congressional Dems add loud booing and shouts of 'fuck off, you shameful liar' to that legacy. Even if that makes Little Boots, up late, want to bomb some brown people.
Hey, Tralfaz, look at your 3 friends' lists of friends. (I'm the one in Austria.)
Edwards should stay in. Could be a 45-45-10 situation delegate wise. He would have power at that point.
I just this minute crossed my mind that the divisiveness could get even worse if it's down to Obama and Clinton.
Which is why Edwards needs to stick around for a fair bit longer. As long as he doesn't fall below the viability threshold, he gets delegates.
Funny, but I don't seem to recall anyone thinking the SC Democratic Primary was so damned important four years ago when Edwards won it.
When will Georgie be giving his union.. uh ... his speech of the ... uh ... talk... his talk to the nation speech?
If Cheney isn't there, I'm getting my gun out.
I just this minute crossed my mind that the divisiveness could get even worse if it's down to Obama and Clinton.
I think a lot of people are going to come out of this feeling differently about Bill Clinton.
When will Georgie be giving his union.. uh ... his speech of the ... uh ... talk... his talk to the nation speech?
When I got the feelin' in my bones and not until ... and welcome to the U.S. ... nice to have you ...
I think a lot of people are going to come out of this feeling differently about Bill Clinton.
theodoric |
I won't.
Maybe the good senators will show up at their Jobs on Monday & actually do some good.
Well, that's one article Timmah won't read for tomorrow's show.
V for Virginia, well Edwards is my choice, but I'm thinking this country is in such sad shape that any Democrat is going to have to rise to the occasion and do something for the people, and not the corporations. We won't survive if they don't.
I do hope that Congressional Dems add loud booing and shouts of 'fuck off, you shameful liar' to that legacy.
I did pledge $100 campaign contribution to any Democrat that booed during the State of the Union.
"Funny, but I don't seem to recall anyone thinking the SC Democratic Primary was so damned important four years ago when Edwards won it.
SteveLG"
edwards was not a shiny thing.
Funny, but I don't seem to recall anyone thinking the SC Democratic Primary was so damned important four years ago when Edwards won it.
A week later was Super Tuesday with 8 states voting. This time Super Tuesday is 22 states.
Crap, Wisconsin lost to Purdue today. Big 10 is pretty scrappy this year...
I think a lot of people are going to come out of this feeling differently about Bill Clinton.
theodoric |
Already there.
I wish to congratulate whichever winner. We do have three (3) great candidates. I had hoped that Edwards would raise up in the polls. However, a Dem will get my vote period.
The punditocracy’s ‘protectiveness’ toward Obama is patronizing and insulting
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SteveLG |
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Funny,
but I don't seem to recall anyone thinking the SC Democratic Primary
was so damned important four years ago when Edwards won it.
Bam!
Mccain: One of my opponents has a partially rational position on the war in Iraq.
Romney: I am just as set on driving our nation to further disaster in Iraq as anyone else! I will use up and break the Army, the Navy, the National Guard, and the Marines and even the Girl Scouts.
Mccain: Weenie, liberal, defeat monkey.
Iowa:
"This is earth-shattering"
New Hampshire:
"This is earth-shattering"
Nevada:
etc, etc, etc.
Ultimte White Noise
Timmah Russert tries for street cred, blacks see "dissing"
...oh lord.
Maybe the good senators will show up at their Jobs on Monday & actually do some good.
1Watt, Hermit | Homepage | 01.26.08 - 7:55 pm | #
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NASA is predicting sunrise to be in the west ...
Time to eet.
bbl (or not)
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I did pledge $100 campaign contribution to any Democrat that booed during the State of the Union.
George Johnston
$250 to anyone who flips him the bird.
Timmah Russert tries for street cred, blacks see "dissing"
...oh lord.
attaturk |
did he make air quotation marks with his hands?
Freepers go batshit:
Crist has already become an embarrassment for conservatives. Now he adds to that embarrassment with a McCain endorsement
Oh, this will be fun.
Iowa: Hillary is finished
NH: Obama is done for
Nevada: Obama should drop out
S. Carolina: Hillary is over
Why is KO saying Dem pols now have to hurry up and endorse one of the candidates?
Timmeh's playing it up--saying it has to do with race. Bcz the first really viable black candidate got 80% of the black vote in SC, it means----what?
I'm delighted with Obama's win. I've been in Edwards' camp but reading about Obama over the past couple of days, I'm falling a little bit in love with him.
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Maybe the good senators will show up at their Jobs on Monday & actually do some good.
With Reid and Pelosi rolling over on an hourly basis, at this point a lack of quorum could be the best thing for America.
Monday is Legacy Day.
Manny Legace has his own day? Cool!
Timmah Russert tries for street cred, blacks see "dissing"
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But is Hill illin'
???
And now comes the Parade of the Black Politicians..............
MSNBC. Even in 10 seconds of viewing, the stench becomes unbearable.
Timmeh's playing it up--saying it has to do with race. Bcz the first really viable black candidate got 80% of the black vote in SC, it means----what?
jawbone
This is going to be one baboon-butt-ugly political year.
Edwards verging on 20% now..
The punditocracy’s ‘protectiveness’ toward Obama is patronizing and insulting
Mr.Murder
Ayup. But if they didn't take that approach they might actually have to look at the records and positions of Mr. Obama, Ms. Clinton, and maybe even Mr. Edwards. That would actually take some work, and we can't have that, now, can we?
Loretta Sanchez: CILF
I think Edwards outcome is a total disaster. He should quit.
Fo Shizzle, Timmeh-zizzle...
$250 to anyone who flips him the bird.
Terry C - Edwards 2008 |
Like my thumbsnap?
John McCain, when I get to the Senate, I plan on quoting Dick Cheney to you.
"Iowa: Hillary is finished
NH: Obama is done for
Nevada: Obama should drop out
S. Carolina: Hillary is over
Culture of TrÜth"
Except it didn't happen that way. You nailed the first and last but missed the middle 2. Hillary won NH because of all the racists and hillary actually lost NV.
Did anyone else just see John McCains victory speech on CNN 2 minutes ago?
Dismissing Obama to say he's young?
OK.
Uh, he's young. He's been in the Senate since '05, decided to run for prez in December '06.
did he make air quotation marks with his hands?
Ali
and that wack, yo.
[chestpound chestpound peace sign]
$250 to anyone who flips him the bird.
Terry C - Edwards 2008
I pledge a matching contribution.
This is going to be one baboon-butt-ugly political year.
SteveLG
Speaking of butt-ugly(!), I still can't believe you saw my brother in Paris. Did he look well?
Thanks again.
That would actually take some work
especially with Hillary.
"Iowa: Hillary is finished
NH: Obama is done for
Nevada: Obama should drop out
S. Carolina: Hillary is over
Culture of TrÜth"
Can't it just be November. Can't they just get it over with and leave us ALOOOOONE!!!!
"But if they didn't take that approach they might actually have to look at the records and positions of Mr. Obama, Ms. Clinton, and maybe even Mr. Edwards. That would actually take some work, and we can't have that, now, can we?'
--Diane C. Barking-Mad
I would like to sit next to you.
$250 to anyone who flips him the bird.
Terry C - Edwards 2008
I pledge a matching contribution.
yes, but who will go the bail?
More Kit Seelye:
Katharine Q. Seelye
7:54 p.m. | The Bill Factor How much did Mr. Clinton hurt his wife here? You’ll be able to tell if there is a big shift in the campaign’s strategy going forward – assuming he is still as big a part of her campaign for the Feb. 5 states as he was in South Carolina.
So do we get actual tears from Hillary this time? Or is it time for a different comeback strategy?
"Iowa: Hillary is finished
NH: Obama is done for
Nevada: Obama should drop out
S. Carolina: Hillary is over
Culture of TrÜth"
The pundits should all STFU.
Wow another huge story Re: turnout
UPDATE: Fox News reports that “more Democrats voted today than Republicans voted last Saturday.” “Party officials predicted a record-setting turnout,” adds the New York Times. 7:22 pm | Comment
That is a huge fucking story...which will be ignored by most of the media again.
The jury's out til Super Tuesday.
Fat Fuck Bennett mad at McCain.
oops, turnout link:
http://thinkprogress.org/2008/01...south-carolina/
I still can't believe you saw my brother in Paris. Did he look well?
Thanks again.
whiskeyina
He looked just fine, workin' on his laptop there at The Beaver.
Wish I had thought to take a picture, but I was fairly discombobulated at actually running into him.
Why is KO saying Dem pols now have to hurry up and endorse one of the candidates?
I think there's an argument for it, w/r/t the whole superdelegate thing. You don't want it going towards the convention and being decided on superdelegate votes.
That's one-fifth of the total.
Obama announces new plan to solve Mortgage crisis by having Anotnin Rezko get public taxpayer money so he can buy the nearest empty lot to your adjustable rate for 300g.
Uh, he's young. He's been in the Senate since '05, decided to run for prez in December '06.
whereas the esteemed Senator from New York has been there for four years longer than that. And has been running for president for the last twenty.
by this point, Harold Stassen was a joke.
Wish I had thought to take a picture, but I was fairly discombobulated at actually running into him.
SteveLG
Ha!
And how was the rest of your trip?
Holy Creepers. 12% of the precincts; 60,000 votes. If the turnout was similar in every precinct, we just blew the motherfucking roof off of this joint.
"That is a huge fucking story...which will be ignored by most of the media again."
--attaturk
Yea for Dems! We're mad as hell and we're going to vote.
But that was the media narrative. After NH the were all "oh well Barack, it was nice while it lasted," and now you'd think Hillary might as well pack it in.
http://www.newsweek.com/id/94827
McCain is a moron.
Obama has turned S Carolina blue!
Umm.... Is it possible Olbermann refused to host with Tweety?
Did I say something about ugly spin?
TPM has a Bill Clinton clip:
Here's Bill Clinton this afternoon discounting Barack Obama's expected victory in South Carolina by explaining that Jesse Jackson won the state twice ...
Shut the fuck up, Bill.
That is a huge fucking story...which will be ignored by most of the media again.
Yeppy. When you have a 55-60% turnout for the general, there's an untapped 100m or so voters, and the demographic breakdown -- young people, especially young women -- points towards both Clinton and Obama.
Does Obama have a good caterer for teh press bus? Will he walk or style down Penn. Ave? What should I wear?
I would like to sit next to you.
mer
Please do. Glass of an inexpenisive cabernet?
and pseudonymous in nc: the pols ARE the superdelegates: congresscritters, governors and party officers.
They were asking over at TalkLeft why the MCM is pushing race, race, race.
Struck me that it benefits their corporate overlord both ways; Paints Obama as the black candidate, and paints Hillary as a racist to lessen her appeal if she gets the nomination.
Win-win--for the MCM fuckers.
"whereas the esteemed Senator from New York has been there for four years longer than that. And has been running for president for the last twenty.
by this point, Harold Stassen was a joke.
theodoric "
Hey look. dennis miller showed up.
whereas the esteemed Senator from New York has been there for four years longer than that. And has been running for president for the last twenty.
How long have some of the MALE candidates been running for president?
Why is it not okay for her?
But that was the media narrative. After NH the were all "oh well Barack, it was nice while it lasted," and now you'd think Hillary might as well pack it in.
Culture of TrÜth
Why it is almost as if the Liberal Media is saying the Democratic front runners are lost causes after 8 years of Bush fiascos.
Play La Marseillaise!
((Rick nods in agreement))))
How long have some of the MALE candidates been running for president?
Why is it not okay for her?
Terry C - Edwards 2008
girls are icky.
Is it possible Olbermann refused to host with Tweety?
If he had that kind of balls, he would long ago have refused to appear on the same channel with Bowtie Boy.
""That is a huge fucking story...which will be ignored by most of the media again."
--attaturk"
This is what I am looking for. Now where do we send condolences to the relatives of the deceased Republican party?
To lose one parent may be counted a misfortune. To lose both, looks like carelessness....
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Here's Bill Clinton this afternoon discounting Barack Obama's expected victory in South Carolina by explaining that Jesse Jackson won the state twice ...
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Lovely, and if Hillary wins how many of those voters who were just insulted say "fuck it all" and sit home in Nov.
STFU Bill.
But that was the media narrative. After NH the were all "oh well Barack, it was nice while it lasted," and now you'd think Hillary might as well pack it in.
Culture of TrÜth
Some very wise person said that watching TV news coverage is exactly like watching six year olds play soccer.
Every once in a while the ball gets kicked up in the air, then everyone runs and chases it.
Obama is 46, older than Clinton or Kennedy when they were elected, so the "young" thing can't be chronological age.
As far as his life/career arc goes, I really like what he and Michelle have done and the networks they've built in the process.
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Fox News reports that “more Democrats have brains than Republicans who voted last Saturday.”
Well ... I'm getting cable again, then ...
How long have some of the MALE candidates been running for president?
Over 200 years in McCain's case...
Also, recall that Obama said to the Christian(ist) Broadcast Network that while he was sure he would get Hillary's voters, he wasn't so sure she would get his voters.
May be part of his saying he'll get ReThugs and she won't. Or he's dissing her.
Last was snark.
Michelle Obama did, however, say that if he doesn't get the nomination this time the public won't get another chance. Interesting.
TYT is saying 50/28/20 Obama/Clinton/Edwards
Good to see big Dem turnouts. Good for black voters to find their voice. Shame it resulted in a win by a pretty-talking suit.
I'll vote for Obama if he's the nominee, but he won't be working for the interests of someone like me. Hopefully he'll do something for the country as a whole, for the young people like my niece he says he's concerned about.
You silly people.
Name me one time that an Arizonan actually won the presidency.
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Obama is 46, older than Clinton or Kennedy when they were elected, so the "young" thing can't be chronological age.
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shhh .... facts are toxic to the narrative ...
But if they didn't take that approach they might actually have to look at the records and positions of Mr. Obama, Ms. Clinton, and maybe even Mr. Edwards. That would actually take some work, and we can't have that, now, can we?'
--Diane C. Barking-Mad
It's that whole kids soccer game analogy of Jon Stewart's. They all just run around madly following the ball.
pseudonymous in nc: the pols ARE the superdelegates: congresscritters, governors and party officers.
That's my point. There's an argument that superdelegates should stay out of the process until votes are in, but that's going to change after lots of states vote.
You don't want a 45-40-15 primary outcome in terms of delegates (or something like 55-45 in a two person race) being flipped by congresscritters and governors.
To lose one parent may be counted a misfortune. To lose both, looks like carelessness....
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GWPDA, yclept Irate Scholar
God bless Oscar Wilde, who, on his deathbed, is alleged to have said, "Either this wallpaper goes, or I do."
"but he won't be working for the interests of someone like me."
Meaning? (And that is not the start of an argument, just curious)
Obama is older than Kennedy at the time of his successful run, but he actually began 4 years previousy, no? And had longer national experience.
You silly people.
Name me one time that an Arizonan actually won the presidency.
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GWPDA, yclept Irate Scholar
The last one who ran got buried, IIRC.
Matt Taibbi's dad is on!
Name me one time that an Arizonan actually won the presidency.
Molly Ivins did apologize for trashing Mo Udall. That is as close as we got though...
Name me one time that an Arizonan actually won the presidency.
Dan Quayle was VP. Does that count?
Good to see big Dem turnouts. Good for black voters to know their place. Shame it resulted in a win by a pretty-talking suit.
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Just say it ...
I'll vote for Obama if he's the nominee, but he won't be working for the interests of someone like me.
I am very excited by these numbers. Get some progressives to ride these coattails and the president won't matter as much.
Here's Bill Clinton this afternoon discounting Barack Obama's expected victory in South Carolina by explaining that Jesse Jackson won the state twice ...
Clinton won SC in the presidential election in '92 and '96.
Repubs won on both sides of those elections.
Good night, lovely people. I'm off to dreamland anon.
So, the superdelegates were what KO was talking about? Then why mention Ted Kennedy....
Name me one time that an Arizonan actually won the presidency.
The only other one that even ran was AuHOH, was it not?
Name me one time that an Arizonan actually won the presidency.
Obama/Grijalva 08
Obama is 46, older than Clinton or Kennedy when they were elected, so the "young" thing can't be chronological age.
Wait - so not only is he clean and articulate, he's well-moisturized?
Quayle was from Indiana
Bruce (and Hattie) Babbitt!!!!
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Obama is older than Kennedy at the time of his successful run, but he actually began 4 years previousy, no? And had longer national experience.
jawbone | Homepage | 01.26.08 - 8:11 pm | #
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If that's all you got ... you got nuthin ...
I would not mind an Arizonian winning the presidency some day, but not McCain, or a Goldwater clone. Governor Janet Napolitano would be a good choice.
It's that whole kids soccer game analogy of Jon Stewart's. They all just run around madly following the ball.
And he played varsity soccer, so he speaks with authority.
Michelle Obama did, however, say that if he doesn't get the nomination this time the public won't get another chance. Interesting.
I think she's smart enough to see that a long Senate career is historically bad for presidential aspirations. The best alternative launching pad for Obama is Illinois Gov, and the last-but-one in that position went to jail.
"Get some progressives to ride these coattails and the president won't matter as much."
--Snow,
That's how I'm thinking. Maybe all is good.
"Kennedy represented the state of Massachusetts in the U.S. House of Representatives from 1947 to 1953 as a Democrat, and in the U.S. Senate from 1953 until 1961."
Yeah, Obama has much more National experience.
Who let all the trolls in tonight?
Here's Bill Clinton this afternoon discounting Barack Obama's expected victory in South Carolina by explaining that Jesse Jackson won the state twice ...
Jesse Jackson is from here, Bill.
The only other one that even ran was AuHOH, was it not?
Nope. Mo Udall in '76. Lost to Jimmy Carter.
So, the superdelegates were what KO was talking about? Then why mention Ted Kennedy....
Er, he's an undeclared superdelegate. As are lots of Senators, Congresscritters, govs and DNCers.
500,000 votes cast? Could it be? I hope these numbers hold up as time goes on.
Obama is older than Kennedy at the time of his successful run, but he actually began 4 years previousy, no? And had longer national experience.
jawbone
Yes, but Obama had 6-8 years in the Illinois statehouse; lots of organizing work that involved national and international unions and those ngo/public/private networks that have tendrils that reach all over the country. He's grounded in Constitutional law and has lots of national experience, just of a kind that less visible that electoral politics.
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Y'know, if the visuals from the Clinton campaign tonight feature Bill and not Hillary, that's going to look really bad.
am very excited by these numbers. Get some progressives to ride these coattails and the president won't matter as much.
Snow, Sombody's Gerry
Which numbers? The overall turnout or what appears to be a stunning victory for Obama.
The continuing huge turnouts by Dems is the best news so far, regardless of which candidate you support.
"Kennedy represented the state of Massachusetts in the U.S. House of Representatives from 1947 to 1953 as a Democrat, and in the U.S. Senate from 1953 until 1961."
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And Bill Clinton and Jimmy Carter had ... ?
Amazing how the Clinton campaign gets TWO bites at the apple with speechifyin'.
"Get some progressives to ride these coattails and the president won't matter as much."
--Snow,
If the ones who are serious about doing some good, then go for it.
The overall turnout or what appears to be a stunning victory for Obama.
The overall primary turnout. Possibly as high as 500,000.
Maybe Hillary will go bipartisan
Clinton/Rice '08!
Who let all the trolls in tonight?
♪ Are the trolls out tonight? They don't know that they aren't all that bright. They're all gonna cries - boo hoooooooo....
Missouri Democratic Presidential Primary
Missouri: Clinton 43% Obama 24%
Friday, January 25, 2008
AdvertismentHillary Clinton enjoys a nineteen percentage point lead over Barack Obama in Missouri’s Democratic Presidential Primary. The latest Rasmussen Reports telephone survey of the state shows Clinton earning 43% of the vote while Obama attracts 24%. John Edwards trails Obama by six points and is supported by 18% of the state’s Likely Democratic Presidential Primary Voters.
Clinton leads by 28-percentage points among women but just seven points among men.
The former First Lady is viewed favorably by 82% of those likely to vote. Obama earns positive reviews from 69%.
"Seven Year Itch" on PBS.
Billy Wilder was a terrific director.
And Bill Clinton and Jimmy Carter had ... ?
Exec branch experience.
I saw a lot of reporters in the last few days interviewing black people who said they were "torn" about who to vote for, and still hadn't made up their minds. I think it's the reverse of that syndrome where white people lie to pollsters about voting for a black candidate.
Who decided to surround Bill with young cheerleaders?
if the visuals from the Clinton campaign tonight feature Bill and not Hillary, that's going to look really bad
He looks good, actually.
"Yes, but Obama had 6-8 years in the Illinois statehouse; lots of organizing work that involved national and international unions and those ngo/public/private networks that have tendrils that reach all over the country.
Sparkle Plenty"
Can you point me to that record? Googles not working for me. Even a link or two to get me started.
Bill speaking now.
He's campaigning for Florida.
http://www.history.com/games.do
Things to do while working
Jeebus. Obama's now at 53% (23% reporting)
And Bill Clinton and Jimmy Carter had ... ?
Exec branch experience.
I'd vote for Carter the Unstoppable Sex Machine.
And Bill Clinton and Jimmy Carter had ... ?
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Both were southern governors. When we run those, we win.
If Obama starts talking about fixing Social Security by raising benefits and taxing capital gains I will send his campaign $500.
And Bill Clinton and Jimmy Carter had ... ?
Doug Watts, looser than thou
Carter Captained a submarine.
Clinton had two SAC bases in his state, he was quite familiar with issues of working with military demographics.
And Kennedy really did have less national experience than 0bama?
Bill speaking now.
He's campaigning for Florida.
Culture of TrÜth | Homepage | 01.26.08 - 8:18 pm | #
The Clinton camp is trying to get Michigan and Florida seated at the convention - Hillary's convincing "only one on the ballot" victory in Michigan must not be wasted.
And Kennedy really did have less national experience than 0bama?
Not that Kennedy.
Bill Clinton: I have an office in Harlem.
He looks good, actually.
He does look good. It doesn't look good for her as an autonomous candidate.
Looking at the 2004 numbers, Kerry got 660k votes in total for SC. If the Dem primary brings out 500k to the GOP's 440k, that's quite something.
For a long time I've thought that Clinton would win the nomination, and would prove to be an excellent, and maybe even great, president.
But if Barack Obama can win in South Carolina, as it appears he has, overwhelmingly, it would argue pretty strongly that he can win Democratic votes anywhere.
I intend to pull the lever for him in Illinois on 5 Feb, because his politics are closer to mine than Sen. Clinton's. But in my heart and in my brain I really think she would be the better president. I think they are both brilliant, but her track record as an executive is much better than his.
What the media did to her is just unfair. This is a far better person than she is painted.
Notice I can afford to pledge thousands of dollars for Democrats to say and do progressive things but I can't afford a $300 plane ticket to Eschacon.
The continuing huge turnouts by Dems is the best news so far, regardless of which candidate you support.
Diane C. Barking-Mad
It is very encouraging. I hope they all come back into the fold after the mudslinging is over.
Kumbaya . . .
This turnout for SC is the HISTORY!
RED state turned completely BLUE!
I don't care who wins now. I've already gotten my dream. I'm a happy SCarolinian right now!
Bill Clinton is talking all about himself.
Where is... um... the candidate?
14" tall Cloverfield monster doll comes with ten lice, two interchangeable heads, the head of the Statue of Liberty, 70 -- seventy -- points of articulation (things you can move around) and makes noises. A hundred bucks.
How fracking brainless do our financial high priests have to be to create a recession in an economy that produces and sells such wonders?
Doug Watts, you assume an awful lot. There's nothing wrong with black voters being excited about a black candidate and supporting him. Just as it's great that Dems and general and young people in particular are showing up at the polls.
Still doesn't change my opinion that Obama is a sweet-talking suit who may or may not work for progressive policies that will help out the majority of Americans. If he's the nominee, I'll vote for him, and be glad if he proves me wrong.
rootless-e | 01.26.08 - 8:21 pm | #
There's something missing in your comment.
Bill Clinton giving a victory speech on CNN.
McCain learned how to play dirty politics in S.C. and will play dirty to win. What goes round comes around.
Can you point me to that record? Googles not working for me. Even a link or two to get me started.
hadenough
Give me some time. I was surfing to learn more the past couple of days. I'll have to find some of that stuff again.
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No one could have imagined that the Republicans' hold on the South since '64 could be undone by a black man.
And Bill Clinton and Jimmy Carter had ... ?
Exec branch experience.
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But no foreign policy experience ...
Three Card Monte here ...
I thought maybe KO was talking about SC superdelegates needing to make their endorsements quickly.
Whoohoooo! Caroline Kennedy to endorse Obama tomorrow!
Why the fuck is Bill Clinton on my teevee?
Will we be hearing a speech from Elizabeth Edwards carried live on CNN and MSNBC?
The overall primary turnout. Possibly as high as 500,000.
Snow, Sombody's Gerry
Heh, that ought to be worrying some folks.
But if Barack Obama can win in South Carolina, as it appears he has, overwhelmingly, it would argue pretty strongly that he can win Democratic votes anywhere.
It argues nothing of the sort.
Bill Clinton no longer hiding the fact this will be his Presidency.
ut no foreign policy experience ...
Three Card Monte here ...
Doug Watts, looser than thou
Rudy has foreign policy experience. NY was attacked by foreigners on 9/11.
/Sean Hannity
No one could have imagined that the Republicans' hold on the South since '64 could be undone by a black man.
George Johnston
It is astonishing. Maybe this country is growing up after all.
I don't care who wins now. I've already gotten my dream. I'm a happy SCarolinian right now!
I may not be able to sleep tonight. I gotta start traveling come Monday to follow up on this turnout. I am going to need it.
Will we be hearing a speech from Elizabeth Edwards carried live on CNN and MSNBC?
genoasail
we should be so lucky.
Oh poop, Edwards back down to 18 now. But Clinton hasn't gone up - it's all Obamaramadama.
Obama is now up by hundreds of percentage points.
"Bill Clinton no longer hiding the fact this will be his Presidency.
round"
The kooks are in full bloom.
No one could have imagined that the Republicans' hold on the South since '64 could be undone by a black man.
George Johnston
Clinton/Gore won South Carolina in both elections.
I don't think anyone could have predicted jack would appear to post inane non sequiturs and outright lies.
Brian Williams finally citing Peggy Noonan so we can learn what is going oin.
Still doesn't change my opinion that Obama is a sweet-talking suit who may or may not work for progressive policies that will help out the majority of Americans. If he's the nominee, I'll vote for him, and be glad if he proves me wrong.
sister of ye | 01.26.08 - 8:22 pm | #
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But you have to base your doubt on concrete facts, not on your fervent willingness and wish to have doubts ...
Do you actually doubt, and based upon what facts, that Obama would appoint quality people to the Supreme Court?
OK, here's the deal...I don't need to hear Peggy Noonan quoted as a manner of evaluating Bill Clinton.
...same with Andy Sullivan.
"I may not be able to sleep tonight. I gotta start traveling come Monday to follow up on this turnout. I am going to need it.
Snow, Sombody's Gerry |"
Sorry you have to travel, but this is so exciting. Red state turned completely blue and it just happens to be one of the Reddest in history!
Rezko as HUD!
But if Barack Obama can win in South Carolina, as it appears he has, overwhelmingly, it would argue pretty strongly that he can win Democratic votes anywhere.
It argues nothing of the sort.
pie
And why not? I grew up in Louisiana. Believe me, outside of my home town, New Orleans, there was no chance a black person could get more than 10% of the vote. Now LA has elected Bobby Jindal. Look, he's a Republican, but he's also not white; he's Indian. This country, God be thanked, seems on the cusp of actually doing what King wanted: judging people not according to the color of their skin. This is a wonderful, wonderful thing; and if you had grown up, as I did, with "Whites Only", "Colored Only" water fountains, you'd realize it.
I'm starting to think Obama might win SC.
OK, here's the deal...I don't need to hear Peggy Noonan quoted as a manner of evaluating Bill Clinton.
Dolphins are breaking for Obama 2:1.
Timmeh and Tweets are searching for any reason to justify why they got everything so wrong in NH.
Brian Williams now quoting Peggy Noonan about Bill Clinton.
Obama is now up by hundreds of percentage points.
WalterNeff, dyscalculiac | 01.26.08 - 8:26 pm | #
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Thanks to Obama, I'm so big that self-pleasure is just a chin tuck away !!!
Sorry you have to travel, but this is so exciting. Red state turned completely blue and it just happens to be one of the Reddest in history!
Not since 1996 has SC been so blue.
I'm with Atrios on the whole primary season nuttiness, but WTF was up with Bill Clinton on primetime?
Sorry you have to travel
No. It is a good thing. I am trying to unseat Lindsey.
Obama's shout out to Reagan was a dog whistle to Candy Crawley. A new trough of African American delights: Rhino knuckles smothered hog waller in a creme de la con, braised butt of progressives given up.
Look, he's a Republican, but he's also not white; he's Indian.
pie, Clinton never won SC. Not even close. He lost to GHWB and Bob Dole.
Cnn had Bill Clinton on for nearly 25 minutes in prime time.
WTF was up with Bill Clinton on primetime?
Hillary is not likely to come out till more of the vote is in.
MSNBC wants another reason to diss Bill, that's why he was on our TV screen.
There is figure skating....
50%; 250,000 votes.
Oh, I was laughing there.
There.
Ice dancing!
Clinton/Gore won South Carolina in both elections.
pie
True. Which along with Carter led to the wisdom that Democrats must run a Southerner to win the White House. Black voter suppression techniques are still in full swing in the South. However, black voters are willing to risk violence against themselves to support one of their own. Iraqis were awarded the purple thumb for ignoring personal injury to vote - why not honor American blacks for the same thing even though voting shouldn't have to be an act of bravery?
"No. It is a good thing. I am trying to unseat Lindsey.
Snow, Sombody's Gerry | 01.26.08"
OMG! OMG! OMG!
Where? When? How? Can I help?
HOLY SMOKES! A Graham Cracker smoosher! Can I sit next to YOU?
"And why not? I grew up in Louisiana. Believe me, outside of my home town, New Orleans, there was no chance a black person could get more than 10% of the vote.
David Derbes, textifyin'"
Get a grip! This was a dem primary. obama is not the president. jackson won the SC dem primary twice. Pass over some of what you are smoking.
Hillary is not likely to come out till more of the vote is in.
She's on a plane to Tennessee. Not coming out at all, likely.
kaymoutl8rh9rz
I must say, I was not blown away by "Sweeney Todd."
Meh.
John King! You ignorant slut! This not North Carolina! Can't you fucking pronounce Beaufort correctly! It isn't Bo-ford!
pie, Clinton never won SC. Not even close. He lost to GHWB and Bob Dole
The Dave Leips' thing did a funny thing after I clicked on SC.
Yeah, you're right.
I hope those people keep voting now that they see what they can accomplish.
Clinton/Gore won South Carolina in both elections.
pie
True. Which along with Carter led to the wisdom that Democrats must run a Southerner [..]
George Johnston | Homepage | 01.26.08 - 8:31 pm | #
Sorry, but Clinton lost SC in 1996 to Dole
and to Bush in 1994.
Good try
SC 1996
Clinton: 506,283 (44%)
Dole: 573,458 (50%)
Perot: 64,386 (5)
And it's only a primary, Snow.
Doesn't mean a thing if they don't deliver in November.
George Johnston | Homepage | 01.26.08 - 8:31 pm | #
Did you mean the Dem primaries, because he didn't even come close to winning SC in either general election...
BTW, Barrack, Raul Grijalva would make an excellent Veep choice and would persuade progressives like myself to come out in full force for you.
OMG! OMG! OMG!
Where? When? How? Can I help?
Laying back while the pres candidates were around. Now they're gone and I will get some info out.
Just off the AP wire ...
Clinton campaign strategists denied any intentional effort to stir the racial debate. But they said they believe the fallout has had the effect of branding Obama as "the black candidate," a tag that could hurt him outside the South.
$1000 to the campaign of any Democrat who stands up during the SOTU and, while Bush is actually speaking, shouts: You're a liar.
Good try
Fuck you.
This is pretty disgusting by Clinton's spinners:
Clinton campaign strategists denied any intentional effort to stir the racial debate. But they said they believe the fallout has had the effect of branding Obama as "the black candidate," a tag that could hurt him outside the South.
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/arc...ives/
064877.php
Of course the Clinton bashing by Scarblo etc. is disgusting.
JeffCO | 01.26.08 - 8:35 pm | #
That's a lot closer than I thought it would be.
Clinton did win a few Southern states in his 2 elections (Georgia and Louisiana).
Oh, I was laughing there.
There.
pie
Laugh all you like. I expect LA to elect a Republican. I did not expect them to vote for someone of non-European extraction.
Things are really changing in this country. To quote the old anthem, deep in my heart I do believe that the old bigotry is going to go away. There will undoubtedly be new bigotry to replace it, but racial hatred (and also it seems to me sexual hatred) is becoming very much a thing of the past in America.
Damn.
Snow, great. I'll look forward to it.
I'll sleep even better tonight than I thought!
not on your fervent willingness and wish to have doubts ...
Again, you're making a big personal assumption about me. But I'll give some reasons:
- Obama's constant, blatant sucking up to religious voters
- Obama's willingness to draft an anti-gay activist to suck up to religious voters
- Obamaa's total misreading of Reagan's actual time in office versus the legend promoted about him
- Obama's promotion of Republican talking points on Social Security
- His frequent bad-mouthing of people who came of age in the 1960s and 1970s
- His silly reiteration of conservative BS about "the excesses of the 1960s and 1970s"
Quite enough to create doubts about his consistency and commitment to progressive goals.
Clinton campaign strategists denied any intentional effort to stir the racial debate. But they said they believe the fallout has had the effect of branding Obama as "the black candidate," a tag that could hurt him outside the South.
trifecta | Homepage | 01.26.08 - 8:36 pm | #
The Clintons like to hire assholes, don't they?
Joe Scarborough...why was an intern found dead in your congressional office?
If ever there was a state unrepresentative of the country as a whole it would be South Carolina.
And it's only a primary
I know. But the turnout shows an energized electorate.
but racial hatred (and also it seems to me sexual hatred) is becoming very much a thing of the past in America.
It is?
Since when?
Get a grip! This was a dem primary. obama is not the president. jackson won the SC dem primary twice. Pass over some of what you are smoking.
hadenough
Gee, I'm sorry, I've forgotten. Could you remind me, please, the last time someone with skin not white won a Southern state?
I know. But the turnout shows an energized electorate.
Only if it continues in November.
Obama better be careful or there will be a lot of Democrats sitting on their hands this November
This MSNBC round table is horrendously moronic even by MSNBC round table standards.
Karatist Preacher | Homepage | 01.26.08 - 8:39 pm | #
The MSM decided not to investigate that because the MSM has conclued that Republicans are the most moral people in the world.
That reminds me. Remember Gary Condit? The MSM were going after him big time until reality provided an inconvience.
9/11....
The Clintons like to hire assholes, don't they?
don't worry, per the Freepi Hillary will have them all killed and replace them with nicer people.
It's true, I read it on Free Republic...
In Pennsylvania Obama will get crushed.
http://ap.google.com/article/
ALe...WvJGDgD8UDTBN81
AP link with statement by unnamed Clinton campaign strategists.
Hadenough -- Here's one on Obama as IL legislator -- 8 years it was.
And here's the story of how he propose to Michelle, which, as incurable romantic, I actually bookmarked, so it was easy to find!
.
i>Obama better be careful or there will be a lot of Democrats sitting on their hands this November
Gomez | 01.26.08 - 8:40 pm | #
Anyone who sits on their hands in November is not a Democrat or a patriot.
I am called to watch The Lives of Others with wife and father in law. I risk being tossed out in the cold if I fail to show. Later, folks.
All this shit is completely stupid and helps nothing.
Didn't Jesse Jackson win SC (albeit caucuses) by large percentage?
This MSNBC round table is horrendously moronic even by MSNBC round table standards.
love how Fineman is the "techie" of the night:
all "I just got a text on my blackberry"
and
"I'm getting emails right and left"
His finger is on the pulse of the netroots...
Quite enough to create doubts about his consistency and commitment to progressive goals.
sister of ye | 01.26.08 - 8:38 pm | #
All of those points are debatable, at best, but the Social Security one is the worst especially after Edwards attacked Clinton in the debate for having a different position on Social Security than the position argued by him and Obama.
Anyone who sits on their hands in November is not a Democrat or a patriot.
Good grief. Well, it's got people interested. Yay.
Thanks for eight years of Bush, assholes.
"Clinton campaign strategists denied any intentional effort to stir the racial debate. But they said they believe the fallout has had the effect of branding Obama as "the black candidate," a tag that could hurt him outside the South.
trifecta"
Craig Crawford:
"if the town drunk in Columbia [South Carolina] came out and said, "Bill Clinton last night was poisoning the drinking water in Obama precincts," the media would say, "Ah, there goes Clinton again. You can't trust him.""
http://mediamatters.org/items/20...ms/
200801260001
And that goes double for marshall.
Both Hillary and McCain are courting Lieberman for VP
Yeah Obama energized everyone,
instead of the
Worst.President.Ever.
This MSNBC panel is a nightmare. I wasn't paying attention during the SC republican primary last week. Did they have a panel of rabid democrats on to analyze it. I'm trying to come up w/some democrats comparable to this band of lunatics. Can't do it.
Obama better be careful or there will be a lot of Democrats sitting on their hands this November
Why?
All this shit is completely stupid and helps nothing.
I'm with K&Y on this one.
Nice, divisive, "eat your own" politics. Congratulations.
Clinton campaign strategists denied any intentional effort to stir the racial debate. But they said they believe the fallout has had the effect of branding Obama as "the black candidate," a tag that could hurt him outside the South.
I thought that was snark until I saw it was from TPM.
Good googly moogly.
Obama better be careful or there will be a lot of Democrats sitting on their hands this November
I think you meant to say Hillary...
Mr.Murder | 01.26.08 - 8:44 pm |
No. I blame all those who didn't vote for what's happened to this country.
And if they don't like what's happened, they have only themselves to blame.
They had a vote. They refused to exercise their hard-fought right.
I don't think there were any Dems on the SC ReThug primary discussions. Anyone know otherwise?
Did you mean the Dem primaries, because he didn't even come close to winning SC in either general election...
Janeane The Acerbic Goblin
I mean that given the white/black - dem/repuke split in the South since the Civil Rights Act, that a black northerner could overcome the white southerner/ repuke advantage that Presidential campaigns since Nixon have relied on.
In other words a certain percentage of white Democrats will be lost to white Repukes but their loss can be more than overcome by blacks willing to overcome obstacles put into their way to vote. This can put certain Southern state's electoral votes into play which might otherwise be easily forecast if the Dem nominee is from Illinois or New York.
"love how Fineman is the "techie" of the night:
all "I just got a text on my blackberry"
and
"I'm getting emails right and left""
He's too hip to be square. (Can someone text that to him?)
Clinton did win a few Southern states in his 2 elections (Georgia and Louisiana).
Georgia's not going back to the Dems any time soon, and Louisiana has been ethnically cleansed to Karl Rove's satisfaction.
Why?
Shaw Kenawe
They don't want to vote for a Reagan lover.
i>Obama better be careful or there will be a lot of Democrats sitting on their hands this November
Gomez
Y'know, what the fuck?!
Turn out in South Carolina tonight broke all records by a mile, they blew by the number of voters last week in the GOP primary --
South Carolina is the epitome of a RED state.
The other Democrats are going to turn out this year, even if you don't.
and Louisiana has been ethnically cleansed to Karl Rove's satisfaction.
Ouch.
Good on Obama! I'm still concerned that the "religion questions" and the middle name are not going to go over well in the general.
I don't have a lot of faith in the American people. They're pretty dumb.
Just look at how gleeful the Clinton haters are.
Black woman voters will stay home if Hillary is the nominee.
/goombah
Obama better be careful or there will be a lot of Democrats sitting on their hands this November
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I think you meant to say Hillary...
Janeane The Acerbic Goblin
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No kidding. If there is any alienating going on...it's the Clinton machine alienating black voters.
Turn out in South Carolina tonight broke all records by a mile, they blew by the number of voters last week in the GOP primary --
And where were they when we needed them in 2000 and 2004?
If AP says "Clinton campaign strategists," who would they mean? There can't be that many "strategists" in a campaign--so who?
Who would be that stupid?
No kidding. If there is any alienating going on...it's the Clinton machine alienating black voters.
Addison
Quit while you're behind. Please.
I wasn't paying attention during the SC republican primary last week. Did they have a panel of rabid democrats on to analyze it.
Nah, they had Looner Nooner.
I'm with K&Y and la tigre: winning the nomination and fucking the party -- this year, the fuck-off-Bush year -- is no reward.
Would you like to lick Norah O' Donnell's asshole?
"Booing Bill Clinton
Bill's image, speaking live at an event in Missouri, came up on the screen at Obama's packed victory party in Columbia, and was met by loud, sustained boos."
http://www.politico.com/blogs/
be...ll_Clinton.html
Ah yes, another uniter not a divider.
Are any Republican candidates engendering as much passion from their voters? I very much doubt it, but maybe so.
Could it be that that's a good thing? 'Cause when it's all said and done, their voters will just line up to pull the lever for whoever has the (R) after his name.
I'm moving to a new planet if the Democrats screw the pooch with this year's race to nominate.
"No kidding. If there is any alienating going on...it's the Clinton machine alienating black voters."
Heck with that. Bill's little speech gave me the creeps. Sounded like my dad after he split from the family. Adamant and the holder of superior knowledge.
Condescending creep. He has changed.
If AP says "Clinton campaign strategists," who would they mean? There can't be that many "strategists" in a campaign--so who?
Who would be that stupid?
jawbone
I don't know why the name Carville leaps to mind...
HIDEOUS WOODEN IMP CAUESES NATIONAL PANIC
Members of the "Peanut Gallery", the cloistered juvenile inductees to the Path of Doody, appeared to be in the thrall of the wobbling puppet beast...
Latino voters will stay home if a black is the nominee. Latinos hate blacks, you know.
/actual RedState.org wingnut
No kidding. If there is any alienating going on...it's the Clinton machine alienating black voters.
Addison | 01.26.08 - 8:49 pm | #
Damn right. What the hell are they thinking? The Clintons do love alienating the base.
trifecta - you still in this thing? It's cah-LOSE.
Georgia's not going back to the Dems any time soon, and Louisiana has been ethnically cleansed to Karl Rove's satisfaction.
pseudonymous in nc | 01.26.08 - 8:48 pm | #
I must admit, I like the name "Sonny Perdue" as a southern novel character. Too bad the guy is as nutty as they come.
"Who would be that stupid?
jawbone"
josh marshall comes to mind.
"And where were they when we needed them in 2000 and 2004?
Gomez |"
We voted Dem. at that time too. You folks have to understand how slime and shit swirl in the area. Still, today my Diebold voting machine just blinked a light show to tell me my vote was counted. No paper, cardboard, or tissue present. Our elections have been stolen since Strom was re-elected the last 4 times!
And where were they when we needed them in 2000 and 2004?
Gomez
Exactly. And if these people don't show up in November, no matter who the nominee is, then they deserve McCain.
Would you like to lick Norah O' Donnell's asshole?
hen | 01.26.08 - 8:51 pm | #
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NO FLIRTING !!!!!
I'm with K&Y and la tigre: winning the nomination and fucking the party -- this year, the fuck-off-Bush year -- is no reward.
That's why the nominee has to know stuff.
I'm moving to a new planet if the Democrats screw the pooch with this year's race to nominate.
SteveNS
Can I have your house?
Addison--pleae consider that the MCM has been pushing the race issue since Hillary won in NH--then blaming the NH voters, but moving on to find "racism" in Hillary saying that MLK and LBJ together got legislation passed. Now, that was totally unfair to Hillary, but it was a theme the MCM wanted to harp on and have have done so since NH.
Just asking you to think about how the MCM can also affect even those of us who have a mistrust of them. It's difficult to get those brain worms out of our heads. Even here, some joke about Gore inventing the Internet. Very persuasive and pervasive is the MCM.
And the MCMers are not friends of the Democrats, Democratic Party, or any progressives.
EkCenTriK | 01.26.08 - 8:52 pm | #
I don't think he has changed. It's just harder for him to hide his real self.
He's shown that cruel streak before. He did an interview with William Grider right after the 1992 election, and Grieder asked him a rather simple question about helping the working man. And Clinton went off on him, swearing and cursing too (mostly goddam).
Grieder is certainly not a right wing Clinton hater.
There's more sexism than racism in this country.
Charlie Crist VP? Not with all those darn rumors...
We voted Dem. at that time too.
What did you do at the local level to change things?
then they deserve McCain.
Tralfaz
Yeah, maybe, but I don't.
Whose friends list are you on? I'll go find you.
Didn't Jesse Jackson win SC (albeit caucuses) by large percentage?
Jesse Jackson is from South Carolina. That matters a lot.
I'm sucking down some really nice Pinot Grigio (locally made) in order to make grading more palatable.
I still have shit left from Tuesday.
Bigotry will never go away in the US. There will always be a hardcore group that will not let it go. There will always be a hard core group of people of color that will enable them. It's a work in progress. MLK knew that. He was a realist, not a dreamer. I still think Obama needs a reality check. He's not invested in the movements of the '60s? If it weren't for those movements, and earlier battles, he wouldn't be where he is today. He ain't Topsy. He didn't "just growed." That said, if he's the nominee I'll donate money to his campaign and vote for him.
"Grieder asked him a rather simple question about helping the working man. And Clinton went off on him, swearing and cursing too (mostly goddam)."
Never knew that. Sheesh.
Would you like to lick Norah O' Donnell's asshole?
hen | 01.26.08 - 8:51 pm | #
No, and Rosie's isn't on my list either.
BREAKING: JESUS CHRIST ENDORSES MCCAIN.
I don't think Obama is "sucking up" to religious voters-he has genuine Christian beliefs, like it or not, and he's going to continue talking about them because a)the road to black voters in this country runs right through the black church, & b)it will counteract the idiotic rumors about him being a Muslim.
just great...i have to hear bill clinton whine and cry like a little baby for the next week
Ouch.
It's the sad electoral truth, though, isn't it? Enough residents of NOLA -- black and white, but mainly blac -- scattered in places like Houston and Atlanta where their votes don't count as much.
Can I have your house?
V for Virginia
Consider it yours, but you'll need to put a new front step on it.
"We voted Dem. at that time too.
What did you do at the local level to change things?
pie | Homepage |"
I made phone calls, and wrote letters. They fell on deaf ears. Pie, you can't make them do the right thing. Believe me, I tried.
And if these people don't show up in November, no matter who the nominee is, then they deserve McCain.
except that we ALL get McCain if these people don't show up.
There's more sexism than racism in this country.
Gomez | 01.26.08 - 8:55 pm | #
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That's like saying there's more murders than rapes.
So ?
Differences:
Clinton's concession: Don't forget American Samoa
No speech, just a statement:
“I have called Senator Obama to congratulate him and wish him well.
“Thank you to the people of South Carolina who voted today and welcomed me into their homes over the last year. Your stories will stay with me well beyond this campaign and I am grateful for the support so many of you gave to me.
http://www.politico.com/blogs/
be...ican_Samoa.html
If you remember immediately after NH we were told racists voted for Hillary. And immediately after NV obama was already on a plane back to Chicago and sent axlerod out with a statement saying obama won. george bush much?
That's like saying there's more murders than rapes.
So ?
Doug Watts, looser than thou
Who got the vote first?
Caroline Kennedy Schlossberg is endorsing Obama. I never realized she was black.
just great...i have to hear bill clinton whine and cry like a little baby for the next week
Syd B / Go Edwards | 01.26.08 - 8:57 pm | #
Heh. Well put, as much as I like the guy.
David Derbes -- I thought Jesse Jackson won the SC Dem primaries, no?
Whose friends list are you on? I'll go find you.
V for Virginia
So far, Ntodd, Jeffco, and Sinfonian.
I don't deserve McCain either.
I should be a little easier on SCers. It's probably hard to outvote the wingers in the general election down there.
& b)it will counteract the idiotic rumors about him being a Muslim.
Karin
Of course.
NNNNNNNNNNNRRRRRRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!
[smashing through the stupid infighting like the cloverfield monster, whom we nominate as th' mascot of whoever wins]
NNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNRRRRRRRR!!!
[crashing apart skyscrapers of completely pointless speculations about whether The South is or is not Racist and What That Means for anyone else]
GGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGH!
[detaching whale lice which kill everyone horribly]
"I don't deserve McCain either.
I should be a little easier on SCers. It's probably hard to outvote the wingers in the general election down there.
Tralfaz |"
Exactly! It's even harder when they throw your votes out!
kei & yuri
*yawn*
No character development.
What's the story between Howard Dean and Clinton? Animosity? Why?
Who got the vote first?
Gomez | 01.26.08 - 8:58 pm | #
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Please, let's not argue about this.
Syd B / Go Edwards | 01.26.08 - 8:57 pm | #
Clinton is pissed that this primary isn't a cakewalk/coronation/inevitable.
"BREAKING: JESUS CHRIST ENDORSES MCCAIN."
Is Jesus a naturalized citizen?
Latino voters will stay home if a black is the nominee. Latinos hate blacks, you know.
Not if Raul Grijalva or any one of 50 million Latinos more qualified to be Veep than Dick Cheney is on Obama's ticket.
Accuse me of profiling but Lost Wages was not an anomaly.
Likewise, Hillary will have to choose a black if she wins the nomination. I oppose profiling but Democrats rely heavily on blacks and Latinos for electoral victories.
BTW, Romney/Huckabee/McCain/Ghoulani should nominate one of the many Repuke Vietnamese for their running mate to counter diversity on the Dem ticket.
I hate identity politics and promise that I don't vote for someone because he is an overweight, balding, middle aged, white male.
Please, let's not argue about this.
Doug Watts, looser than thou
Sounds like I won that round.
The only person further ahead of the nearest competitor is Tiger at the Buick.
86%; 420,000
I should be a little easier on SCers. It's probably hard to outvote the wingers in the general election down there.
So maybe Clinton would have won in '92 and '96.
Gilly Gonzylon | 01.26.08 - 9:00 pm | #
The Clintons have always hated Dean (remember Carville's attack on him after the Dems WON in 2006). McAuliffe is the Clintons' guy.
It is time for a fucking atheist as president.
These religious fucks are all fucking crazy.
Latino voters will stay home if a black is the nominee. Latinos hate blacks, you know.
No, actually, they won't.
If Obama is the nominee who would be his VP (certainly not Hillary)? Someone Gravitascular?
From what I can tell many former avowed conservatives, have been hit hard by changes in the country.
One example I can think of is a new worker who's work insurance has not yet kicked in. Her husband was recently laid off, and she's been sick with that respiratory stuff that's been going around. I heard her come in the other morning wheezing from what ever is going on in her lungs. She seemed kind of scared when everyone told her to get herself to a doc immediately. She has no health coverage, and her immediate family is short of money.
People by November, if not now will be ready for a change.
These religious fucks are all fucking crazy.
angryspittle | 01.26.08 - 9:03 pm | #
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Is exaggerating part of atheism ?
Janeane The Acerbic Goblin | 01.26.08 - 9:02 pm | #
Ah, yes. Thx
http://ccoaler.blogspot.com/2008...rnment-
and.html
Italy:dalema steps in
George J, I for one am ready for a president who thinks exercise is more important than running the nation. If he's a bit of a chub, so what?
OK -- I'm all for serious campaigning in the primaries, but let's remember that a Democrat in the WH is better than a Republican -- we want both houses & we need to repair the damage to SCOTUS -- fight hard in the primaries, but come together for the general --PUH-LEEZE!
Anyone here seen Black Sheep? Walter Neff?
"There are 40 Million Sheep in New Zealand AND THEY'RE PISSED OFF!"
Let me just say that, Obama vs Willard would be a Obama blowout. FEEL THE WILLARDMENTUM!
What's the story between Howard Dean and Clinton? Animosity? Why?
Gilly Gonzylon | 01.26.08 - 9:00 pm | #
no idea, but bill clinton has been shown this past month to be a bit of an asshole
Excuse me, doesn't think. I've had it up to here with fitness freaks.
As I said, a very nice Pinot Grigio.
"If Obama is the nominee who would be his VP (certainly not Hillary)? Someone Gravitascular?
WalterNeff, dyscalculiac"
I'd love for him to choose Edwards. However, Obama likes the calm and collected while Edwards is ready to FIGHT!
This is a great opportunity for the dems to win at least the next four election cycles. Tw(three)really strong candidates, and they are mucking it up with the separation of voters. This is nuts. Is there any party leadership able to get everyone to STFU and work for the party's best interest? (rhetorical).
l
Any link for the Greider article in '92?
Obama did a lot of organizing work through the churches. I'm not sure, but I think he found the congregation he settled into that way. I don't have any problem with him using his his understanding of faith communities to help build a coalition.
The right manipulates faith communities; the left has always found strength and purpose there.
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Latino voters will stay home if a black is the nominee. Latinos hate blacks, you know.
Sally, I said that, but I was just quoting from a wingnut at RedState.org
P.S. You should give a few kids undeserved Cs and Ds just to teach them that life is unpredictable ...
Do. Not. Seek. The treasure. This is a country over run by magical thinking morons. We have what, exactly?
I, for one, will welcome our sino-nordic overlords.
no idea, but bill clinton has been shown this past month to be a bit of an asshole
Syd B / Go Edwards | 01.26.08 - 9:05 pm |
Maybe he has a brain tumor.
I made phone calls, and wrote letters. They fell on deaf ears. Pie, you can't make them do the right thing. Believe me, I tried.
No, I don't mean in a presidential election. You can't wait until a presidential election to effect change. It has to start much lower.
Excuse me, doesn't think. I've had it up to here with fitness freaks.
I just read that previous comment as sarcasm, so your point was made even with the typo. 
I want an atheist President because at the end of every televised Address to The Nation instead of concluding with "and may God bless America", the President would say, "and may everyone now stand and MAMBO!"
George J, I for one am ready for a president who thinks exercise is more important than running the nation. If he's a bit of a chub, so what?
Sallyh, Grandmere Poissonniere
Is it too late to throw my hat in the ring? I can make Edwards sound like a DLC corporatist.
"These religious fucks are all fucking crazy.
angryspittle | 01.26.08 - 9:03 pm | #
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Is exaggerating part of atheism ?"
Oh get real. He has a point. Haven't you seen RMJ tearing up this place, smashing furniture and babbling complete nonsense.
I think Bill is trying to sabotage his wife's campaign. That way, when she loses she can finally file for divorce, and Bill will be free to date supermodels and Hollywood starlets with impunity.
A lot of people have deep religious convictions. Not all of them have to wave them like a flag in everyone's face. Especially not by recruiting an anti-gay activist to appear at campaign stops. There are many, many other gospel singers he could have invited.
Are you seriously saying that the only way that Obama can appeal to black voters is by overtly pushing the religious angle? I'm not talking about appearing in church settings - that's just a type of community appearance - but making a big show of it.
As for the Muslim angle, he might try declaring that, while he's a Christian, it shouldn't matter if he were a Muslim, because this is America and we have no religious tests for office. Who knows, that might help defuse some of the "scary Muslims are going to murder us!" hysteria the Rethugs will trot out. And there are many Muslims in the black community.
I've had it up to here with fitness freaks.
There's nothing wrong with being fit, but it shows a lack of willingness to sacrifice one's self for the nation to put personal fitness ahead of the needs of the nation.
FDR died while winning the war, and ending the Great Depression.
This is a great opportunity for the dems to win at least the next four election cycles.
If the eventual nominee fucks up, we're screwed.
"I think Bill is trying to sabotage his wife's campaign. That way, when she loses she can finally file for divorce, and Bill will be free to date supermodels and Hollywood starlets with impunity."
Never thought of that. She could spend all day long asking the Secret Service where Bill is.
I have seen Black Sheep and it is based on my terrifying true story.
I think Bill is trying to sabotage his wife's campaign. That way, when she loses she can finally file for divorce, and Bill will be free to date supermodels and Hollywood starlets with impunity.
Hesiod
I think you're about ready for a primetime slot on MSNBC.
I think Mambo is part of the voodoo religion ...
Syd B / Go Edwards | 01.26.08 - 9:05 pm | #
Yup. A major league asshole...
487,000 votes. 93% reporting.
"If Obama is the nominee who would be his VP (certainly not Hillary)? Someone Gravitascular?
WalterNeff, dyscalculiac"
I'd love for him to choose Edwards. However, Obama likes the calm and collected while Edwards is ready to FIGHT!
I think Kery wants the job. And it makes some degree of sense. BUT...as someone pointed out befoere, Obama may have to shore up the hispanic vote. Especially is pro-immigration McCain is the GOP nominee.
So, Bill Richardson would be the obvious choice.
then they deserve McCain.
Tralfaz
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I wonder who would be more enraged by a president McCain....us or the Freepers. They hate that guy for some reason. I mean visceral hatred.
"I think Bill is trying to sabotage his wife's campaign. That way, when she loses she can finally file for divorce, and Bill will be free to date supermodels and Hollywood starlets with impunity.
Hesiod"
He can do that now. Hillary is a lesbo. And she picks whatever he leaves behind.
[/SC town drunk]
Any link for the Greider article in '92?
jawbone | Homepage | 01.26.08 - 9:06 pm | #
Let me see....
You can't wait until a presidential election to effect change. It has to start much lower. pie
Agreed, and thank you for using effect correctly!
Normally rational folks, just fucking suspend their rationality on Sundays?
And fucking pretend they are eating Jesus' body and drinking his blood?
Now tell me these fuckers aren't fucking batshit fucking nuts.
Or cannibals.
FDR died while winning the war, and ending the Great Depression.
Doug | 01.26.08 - 9:08 pm | #
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Yeah, but what has he done for us lately ?
Bill Clinton needs to take this ass-kicking like a man and move on.
Enough of this "oh, whaddya expect? South Carolina? Even Jesse Jackson won there twice!"
Why, one might begin to think that Bill Clinton cares more about Bill Clinton than a Democratic victory in November.
Why, when I think of all those huge congressional majorities he ran up during his Presidency.......
"I'd love for him to choose Edwards. However, Obama likes the calm and collected while Edwards is ready to FIGHT!"
The wise man would choose his opposite so you are ready for anything.
Obama about to speak. I love Michelle . . .
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"No, I don't mean in a presidential election. You can't wait until a presidential election to effect change. It has to start much lower.
pie "
Pie, Since the 2000 election I have been up in arms about the voting system here. I mean that my efforts went towards appealing for different system with a paper trail! Other than that which I said above, I have no idea how to go further. I am a regular at Bradblog too. What can we the people of SC do about it when they won't even return a call or respond to a letter?
Obama won as many votes as were cast in the 2004 primary.
EkCenTriK | 01.26.08 - 9:08 pm | #
If you're a namestealer, rot in hell.
If Obama had some kind of ego problem or megliomanic delusion, Michelle never would have married him.
Latino voters will stay home if a [B]lack is the nominee. Latinos hate [B]lacks, you know.
Who even says "Latino" or "Chicano" any more, or depends on them hating Blacks like they did in Soul On Ice? What is this, 1968?
It must be fun to be president. Hill got to experience it firsthand and she's still willing to run for the job.
jawbone | Homepage | 01.26.08 - 9:06 pm | #
http://findarticles.com/p/articl...v58/
ai_14695164
"If you're a namestealer, rot in hell.
pie "
Oh oh, what did I do?
What can we the people of SC do about it when they won't even return a call or respond to a letter?
I am not talking about voting machines. I'm talking about candidates for office.
What does SC have to offer?
Hispanic. There. I said it.
SteveLG | 01.26.08 - 9:10 pm | #
You're right. The 1994 landslide and all those governorships the Dems picked up in the 1990's were thanks to Billy boy...
Oh, wait, replace the word Dems with the GOP.
It must be fun to be president. Hill got to experience it firsthand and she's still willing to run for the job.
Gilly Gonzylon
Maybe she, like Dubya, mostly wants to prove she can do a better job than the old man.
What does SC have to offer?
I would direct your attention to the House Majority Whip.
Tralfaz -- you are my Facebook friend, too!
BTW -- people wanting karma & Greenplants -- I'm over my quota -- wait until tomorrow!
NYMary -- I'm trying to process my EschaCon registration now!
Here's a quote from it...
I have fought more damn battles here for more things than any President has in twenty years," Clinton said, "with the possible exception of Reagan's first budget, and not gotten one damn bit of credit from the knee-jerk liberal press, and I am sick and tired of it, and you can put that in your damn article."
Clinton actually said "goddam article". I read the original article.
What does SC have to offer?
Jeeez.
A grand history of slavery, bigotry, treason, and hurricanes.
Thank you, Snow!
I like at RedState.org how the denizens speak authoritatively about how they know exactly how the "Latinos" are going to vote because everyone knows that "they" hate "the blacks."
So many experts in such a small brain cell ...
It must be fun to be president.
I want Air Force One and the helicopter. However, I will be willing to give up the chair in the Oval Office for the Captain's Chair on the U.S.S Enterprise or the host's chair on The Tonight Show.
Why, one might begin to think that Bill Clinton cares more about Bill Clinton than a Democratic victory in November.
Tonight, of all nights since Iowa, he needs to open a fucking CASE of STFU.
I would direct your attention to the House Majority Whip.
You're going to make me google, aren't you.
I want an atheist President because at the end of every televised Address to The Nation instead of concluding with "and may God bless America", the President would say, "and may everyone now stand and MAMBO!"
This is for you, Walter,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4...h?
v=4Cuzcz8Tjs0
A grand history of slavery, bigotry, treason, and hurricanes.
George Washington didn't raise an army to invade South Carolina. It was Pennsylvania.
Pie, we have been in Graham Crackerville for so long it is as though there is no tomorrow. Add to that our braindead Governor and you will understand why I have been so excited about the Dem primary turnout.
I would direct your attention to the House Majority Whip.
Sounds delicious on top of fruit cocktail!
You're right. The 1994 landslide and all those governorships the Dems picked up in the 1990's were thanks to Billy boy...
Oh, wait, replace the word Dems with the GOP.
Janeane The Acerbic Goblin
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And lets not forget the great mood of the country for his VP to run on. I mean, how can you possibly screw up a candidacy running on the best economy the nation had seen in years..... oh wait.
And that touches on my main problem with the Clintons. They are experts at helping themselves....and leaving a trail of battered, bruised, and discarded Democrats and other allies behind them. They help nobody but themselves.
Thanks, Janeane.
Some Dems have told Bill that he's risking tarnishing his image by doing stuff like this.
I think he's past that point....
You're going to make me google, aren't you.
Oh, James Clyburn is his name.
I wonder who would be more enraged by a president McCain....us or the Freepers. They hate that guy for some reason. I mean visceral hatred.
Addison
A McCain nomination would be good enough to implode those types. They still hate any Dem worse, though. So us winning the general would finish them off. The popcorn would be supremely enjoyable the entire time.
just fucking suspend their rationality on Sundays?
And fucking pretend they are eating Jesus' body and drinking his blood?
What about the practice of putting a small model of execution machinery on the wall or hanging from their neck?
I think they should be more modern and have a lethal injection machine on the wall.
A lot of people have deep religious convictions
A lot of people are idiots. Old story.
And that touches on my main problem with the Clintons. They are experts at helping themselves....and leaving a trail of battered, bruised, and discarded Democrats and other allies behind them. They help nobody but themselves.
Addison
I'm trying to find something to disagree with in that statement.
I'll get back to you...
leaving a trail of battered, bruised, and discarded Democrats and other allies behind them. They help nobody but themselves.
Addison | 01.26.08 - 9:16 pm | #
Very well put...
"And that touches on my main problem with the Clintons. They are experts at helping themselves....and leaving a trail of battered, bruised, and discarded Democrats and other allies behind them. They help nobody but themselves.
Addison"
If you didn't exist you couldn't be made up.
pie,
Still not sure what I said that generated your remark.
Christian Brando died. His had, Buddah Brando, died several years ago.
jawbone | Homepage | 01.26.08 - 9:16 pm | #
No problem...
Bill is an asshole.
Hillary rhymes with witch.
If I hear just one more slam.
Let's just say I got that Cheney itch.
Ohhh. I got nuthin' left to lose.
I got those one more primary I'll go
insane.
I got those primary bluuueeesss.
Duh nuh duh nuh nuh nuh blues.
Owww baby.
500,000 votes. 95% reporting. We are as blue as our flag tonight!
If only for tonight. But it needn't be only tonight. I knew we had the people out there.
The Desis have informed us that they hate the Aryans, who on fierce horseback swept down upon the plains of the Dravidians from their awful mountains yet before the Gods came to Europa or White men wrote, but prefer them to the detestable Rus. They are ambivalent towards the Ainu.
I love it. He shoves the reagan luv in his followers face. And they lap it up. Too much.
Obama's giving the Clintons some jabs.
Has Obama mentioned me yet?
Now is the time to undermine enthusiasm.
I would direct your attention to the House Majority Whip.
The guy who can't keep Democrats from voting for Dumbya's worst idea?
And that touches on my main problem with the Clintons. They are experts at helping themselves....and leaving a trail of battered, bruised, and discarded Democrats and other allies behind them. They help nobody but themselves. -Addison
and they own and control the Media...
A lot of people are idiots. Old story.
gullycat
That's such bigoted thing to say. Millions of people draw noble strength from religion.
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Add to that our braindead Governor and you will understand why I have been so excited about the Dem primary turnout.
You know, I started to write something, and I saw that what I was saying had no basis in reality for some people in SC.
I hope those same people get to vote WHEN IT COUNTS.
Good luck. This crap has to end.
OTOH, those people won't reap many benefits even with a democrat in office. But then again, how many of us usually do?
Uh, by '94 Clinton had plenty of reason to be pissed at the so-called liberal media, iirc.
Is it true that Nancy Reagan could suck the chrome off a trailer hitch?
That's was the rumor back in the forties.
Walter Neff Obama would never mention anybody more handsome than himself.
OK -- the woman I didn't leave the monastery to marry used to teach Obama's kids in the University of Chicago Lab School -- knows Michelle, better (mothers do these things, right?) -- if he wins the nomination, he has my vote -- I like Edwards better -- I think Hillery will fight like hell to win -- I think any Democrat is better than any Republican & I will vote as many times as Michigan will let me (which might be none, if the primary is anything to go by)
Molly Ivors -- according to your EschaCon08 system, I am registered for EschaCon (WOO-HOO!) & you are richer (don't let Thers drink it all)!
He's giving a hell of a speech.
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I'm gettin' nekkid and going out into the street!
Well, it is a bit chilly. Maybe I'll just be nekkid in spirit.
Nite, all.
When the conquering hero would come riding into Rome in his chariot with a parade of slaves and exotic animals in front of him from foreign lands, and his children beside him in the chariot, a slave standing behind him would whisper in his ear "all fame is fleeting, all fame is fleeting".
Bill could have used someone behind him when he won the presidency. His time is now over.
If only for tonight. But it needn't be only tonight. I knew we had the people out there.
Snow, Sombody's Gerry
Very cool, Snow! Rock those blues!
HoneyBearKelly: Yes, he is a gracious man.
Has Obama mentioned me yet?
WalterNeff, dyscalculiac
are you "Black, White, Latino or Asian" ?
The guy who can't keep Democrats from voting for Dumbya's worst idea?
meant to say:
The guy who can't keep Democrats from voting for Dumbya's worst and most unpopular ideas?
What was the Obama crowd chanting before? I can't make it out.
Millions of people draw noble strength from religion.
Actually, they don't. If you ain't got it inside, religion, drugs, whatever, isn't going to help you get through the night or the day.
Has Obama mentioned me yet?
WalterNeff, dyscalculiac | 01.26.08 - 9:19 pm | #
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Does "necrophiliac, necrotic Aryan wastrel" count ?
BTW, Tweety -- I think Obama has demonstrated that he is "black enough" (whatever the fuck that was supposed to mean)
I'm gettin' nekkid and going out into the street!
Well, it is a bit chilly. Maybe I'll just be nekkid in spirit.
Snow, Sombody's Gerry | 01.26.08 - 9:21 pm | #
Just about ready for another few days of heavy rain in socal. Supposed to thunder tomorrow as well. That'll be around the 3rd time since I've lived here. (20yrs)
They help nobody but themselves.
Wrong-o.
They help the GOP.
Which is why the Bush Family adopted them & why they will stop at nothing to coronate Princess Billary.
Her nomination is the GOP's only chance of getting Congress back.
Her Supreme Court picks will be conservatives & she will govern just like her Republican husband.
In addition to dredging up Monica & other affairs, we will get more governing from right-center.
To sum it up what the elections of 2008, 10 & 12 will consist of?
Throwing the bastards in.
What was the Obama crowd chanting before? I can't make it out.
Yes we can.
The teacher that works an extra shift at Dunkin Donuts.............
Fucking blah, blah, blah, blah..
I have heard politicians give the same fucking bullshit speech for 40 fucking years.
And nothing has fucking changed.
Also all Han despise Prior Aelred. That is, true Han, not the Koreans who call themselves "Han." And Tibetans fucking hate Edwards. Edwards is not getting any reincarnation whatsoever.
What was the Obama crowd chanting before? I can't make it out.
Karin
Kum bah yah?
Well, if you will recall, John McCain has set a deadline for withdrawal of American troops from Iraq.
Admittedly, the deadline is in 2108, but still, a deadline is a deadline
They are ambivalent towards the Ainu.
kei & yuri
Oh, admit it, you're Ainu curious.
What was the Obama crowd chanting before? I can't make it out.
Karin
Yes we can!
What was the Obama crowd chanting before? I can't make it out.
"We want change!" at some point. Not sure if that was your reference.
Actually, they don't. If you ain't got it inside, religion, drugs, whatever, isn't going to help you get through the night or the day.
pie
Well, we'll have to disagree. Seems like for two people who share so many values and hopes for the world, we do that a lot.
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Millions of people draw noble strength from religion.
Actually, they don't. If you ain't got it inside, religion, drugs, whatever, isn't going to help you get through the night or the day.
Just because you don't understand it, doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
"You know, I started to write something, and I saw that what I was saying had no basis in reality for some people in SC.
I hope those same people get to vote WHEN IT COUNTS.
Good luck. This crap has to end.
OTOH, those people won't reap many benefits even with a democrat in office. But then again, how many of us usually do?
pie |"
Agreed! We can hope and vote. That's all. The national attention this primary is getting is a step forward. You may not be able to see it as I do, but believe me...
It's a HUGE repug ASSKICKER!
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I have heard politicians give the same fucking bullshit speech for 40 fucking years. And nothing has fucking changed
The really funny thing is that Ashton Kutchner gave the same speech.
43% of voters were white. obama got 24% of that. Now I'm looking at the crowd around obama and seeing...
Yes we can!
Wasn't that a home mortgage refinance ad slogan?
Admittedly, the deadline is in 2108, but still, a deadline is a deadline
rea | 01.26.08 - 9:25 pm | #
The year was 8012, and it was a definite maybe.
It's a HUGE repug ASSKICKER!"
Amen
Seems like for two people who share so many values and hopes for the world, we do that a lot.
I can do that just fine without a crutch.
"Yes, we can." I think that's what it was.
Does "necrophiliac, necrotic Aryan wastrel" count ?
Doug Watts, looser than thou
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not sure that counts, but I'm keeping them in mind for Scrabble.
Just because you don't understand it, doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
That's right, it's not turtles all the way down, the turtles alternate with elder gods and fire ants.
The best thing about this SC primary is that it was held today - all ripe and ready for the bobbleheads tomorrow. The numbers, every metric, are staggering.
K&Y --
HUH?
It is true that I read all of Lobsang Rampa & was blessed by a Tulku before beginning my ordination process (also anointed with holy oil from an "myro-bleebing" Albanian icon by an Orthodox priest), BUT I have never criticized the Han as such (they don't want to live in Tibet, either, although they are now in the majority -- I did like "Kundun" very much)
Content regardless, the Republicans do not have a single candidate that can match that level of oration.
You may not be able to see it as I do, but believe me...
Never give up!
Never.
I'm very happy for you.
Remember this night and get stronger.
You'd think that people who believed a Democratic Presidential Candidate was pro-reagan could provide more than one tortured sentence in an interview.
Well, if you will recall, John McCain has set a deadline for withdrawal of American troops from Iraq.
I heard Cindy McCain speaking. (Yes, I'm a big ole loser)She was saying she had two sons in Iraq and she wanted them home, but she wanted them home with honor. What do you do with people like that?
95% of precincts:
Barack Obama 281,445 55
Hillary Clinton 134,783 26
John Edwards 90,600 18
Dayum. That's just a good old fashioned ass-kicking, innit?
I've liked Edwards for what he says much more than for anything he has ever done or any persona he seems to be. But I do think that Obama would absolutely kick the MF shit out of either Mitt or McCain in the general. The guy really does seem to have "it".
I can do that just fine without a crutch.
pie
If you're saying you're an atheist, that's another thing we have in common. I just don't see religion as a crutch when people find strength to be and do better by others from it. Where I have a problem is with folks who use religion as an excuse for not doing that.
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Blah fucking blah fucking blah.
Great speech.
But, blah fucking blah fucking blah.
If voting made a difference it would be illegal.
but she wanted them home with honor. What do you do with people like that?
The Japanese once had a method of protecting your children's honor.
SteveLG | 01.26.08 - 9:30 pm | #
A great ass kicking.
Yes! We! Can!
But First! A Nap!
The guy really does seem to have "it".
Bad Art
I think so, too.
I did not mean that. Please forget I wrote that. It was wrong.
The guy really does seem to have "it".
Bad Art
To you.
Long road to hoe.
Night, 'batsies.
Prior Aelred |
Homepage |
01.26.08 - 9:28 pm |
We are playing with the idea that "latinos hate blacks" and so can be counted against Obama. Are Han really the majority at Lhasa? There must be communist directed movnigs, which are regular elsewhere. Thus: Oxford graduates want Mitt Romney to die.
I have heard politicians give the same fucking bullshit speech for 40 fucking years.
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Really.
Okay, the Blackberry shit is getting a wee bit old. It was old years back.
I've liked Edwards for what he says much more than for anything he has ever done or any persona he seems to be. But I do think that Obama would absolutely kick the MF shit out of either Mitt or McCain in the general. The guy really does seem to have "it".
Bad Art | 01.26.08 - 9:30 pm | #
Never misunderestimate the stupidity of the American public.
I heard Cindy McCain speaking. (Yes, I'm a big ole loser)She was saying she had two sons in Iraq and she wanted them home, but she wanted them home with honor. What do you do with people like that?
Neponset
I feel compassion for her. But not for those goddam purple suits.
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The guy really does seem to have "it".
Bad Art
I think so, too.
V for Virginia
I'm not altogether sold yet, but I'm still listening.
And trying to keep in touch with the possibility that I'm an old fart who's seeing something new that he doesn't altogether understand.
But I'm skeptical...
That's right, it's not turtles all the way down, the turtles alternate with elder gods and fire ants.
Doug | 01.26.08 - 9:28 pm | #
I'm at most agnostic and strongly believe in empirical methods. Those methods tell me that some of the most effective reformers in US history have been deeply religious. That's just how it is.
A sample of my economic stimulus rhetoric:
If bank are to receive billions in handouts from the American Treasury to save them from their bad decisions then I expect the American Treasury to receive trillions in premiums and taxes from the banks. If banks are allowed to profit from their bad decisions then the American public deserves to profit even more.
If voting made a difference it would be illegal.
angryspittle | 01.26.08 - 9:31 pm | #
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You're quite the fount of wisdom.
Thank god MSNBC has balance with a Republican Congressman and former Republcan presidential candidate.
And Maggie Carlson and Robinson.
The Dem party in the 1990s didn't exactly rally behind the Clintons or progressive issues. The health care bill had flaws, but could have proved a good start toward national health care. But Congress was singularly absent in vocal support.
The Dems could have stood up and opposed the constant waste of taxpayer funds on countless investigations. Once the Rethugs had Congress, they might not have been able to derail them, but they could have stood up and pointed out to the public what farces they were.
As for the impeachment, they should have been ripping the Rethugs a new one in light of their sexual hypocrisy. And the other Dem senators should have duct-taped Holy Joe's mouth shut.
I heard Cindy McCain speaking. (Yes, I'm a big ole loser)She was
saying she had two sons in Iraq and she wanted them home, but she
wanted them home with honor.
So she has learned absolutely nothing from either McCain or Nixon.
So if Clinton wins big on 2/5 and looks to be the eventual winner, the question will be will Obama supporters go home and sit out the general election or will they help the party's nominee. My impression is the Clinton supporters are more longtime team/party players whereas the Obama base is newer and more susceptible to disillusion. But that's just a guess. Not trying to cast aspersions, just trying to prognosticate a little...
I heard Cindy McCain speaking. (Yes, I'm a big ole loser)She was saying she had two sons in Iraq and she wanted them home, but she wanted them home with honor. What do you do with people like that?
Neponset
Any chance of "honor" was lost once the Abu Grhaib pics surfaced.
The Democratic Convention is first, if Obama is the nominee the election will be over the minute McCain finishes mumbling at the GOP Convention. The MSM will be doing compare and contrast for weeks.
OK. Not a bad speech.
What Gilly said.
That's just a good old fashioned ass-kicking, innit?
SteveLG
It's ONE primary. BFD.
evening fellow atriots, i'm sad that edwards was third.
which is the least annoying tonight, cnn or msnbc? will tweety make me scream and throw more things at the teebee than leslie the wolf?
tough decisions to be made this primary season.
"Yes we can!" yes we can Ms. Shirley Temple, yes we can be liken' some closet air. Smells like Condi's shoes.
K&Y --
Well, EVERYONE wants Mitt Romney to die (except maybe his wife -- who is hot -- & has MS)
Oddly, I can't help but think that Mitt (the $ Republican candidate) is the least worst -- he is unlikely to get the religious right vote (they stay home & therefore we win) & possibly the least worst in governing (he'll move left if it helps him govern) -- whereas the rest are just plain crazy
My impression is the Clinton supporters are more longtime team/party players whereas the Obama base is newer and more susceptible to DElusion.
Kidding!
"But that's just a guess. Not trying to cast aspersions, just trying to prognosticate a little...
Tralfaz"
You're saying they are soft dems?
I'm at most agnostic and strongly believe in empirical methods. Those methods tell me that some of the most effective reformers in US history have been deeply religious. That's just how it is.
rootless-e |
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As another agnostic, I agree. Sometimes the athiesm around here gets evangelical enough to merit it's own special tax status. I know a lot of Christians that I have nothing but respect for, and a Buddhist too...even though I don't understand a damn thing he says :D
Any chance of "honor" was lost once WE INVADED A SOVEREIGN COUNTRY WITH LESS CAUSE THAN HITLER HAD.
There. Fixed your fucking typo.
Well, I will still vote for Edwards in MA on the 5th (if he's still in it), but Gilly, I can't honestly say that Gore/Lieberman in 2000 or Kerry in 2004 were very inspiring in comparison with this guy. John Kerry is really nothing but a taller and slightly younger Harry Reid (I've lived in Kerry's district ever since he first entered politics in the early 70s).
which is the least annoying tonight, cnn or msnbc? will tweety make me scream and throw more things at the teebee than leslie the wolf?
Tweety took the night off, it seems. Safe to turn on MSNBC
George Washington didn't raise an army to invade South Carolina. It was Pennsylvania.
Snow, Sombody's Gerry
Don't make us come down there again.
But I'm skeptical...
SteveLG
In terms of policy I'm not sold, but I think his political communications skills are outrageously good.
And I get a good vibe from him, for some reason. Maybe he's a sociopath
she wanted them home with honor. What do you do with people like that?
Neponset
Any chance of "honor" was lost once the Abu Grhaib pics surfaced.
Gilly Gonzylon | 01.26.08 - 9:34 pm | #
I think they could come home with honor if the administration took responsibility for the mess their greed created and turned themselves over to the Hague.
Just sayin'.
Karin | 01.26.08 - 9:37 pm | #
Noticed he was gloriously absent. After the Hillary debacle last time, they gave him the night off.
Aztecs hate Newfies.
Oh here's Edwards with the Bronze
Edwards says Hillary congratulated Obama ?
I missed it.
thanks karin! i'm watching it now and wish i could give edwards a big hug and tell him to keep on plugging away.
The Dem party in the 1990s didn't exactly rally behind the Clintons or progressive issues. The health care bill had flaws, but could have proved a good start toward national health care. But Congress was singularly absent in vocal support.
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sister of ye | 01.26.08 - 9:34 pm | #
True. But Bill Clinton made NAFTA his legislative top priority in 1991 and pushed it through on blue dog and republican votes against the wishes of the democrats, the unions, and the environmentalists. And he lost the house in the next election.
OK. Not a bad speech.
Gomez
he has good music: Jackie Wilson - "Higher & Higher"
And I get a good vibe from him, for some reason. Maybe he's a sociopath
V for Virginia
HA! I get a "I think I'm all that" vibe from Barry.
Edwards met the same woman as Obama.
edwards is up. Lets see if he blows reagan to. [nah he won't]
I'm voting for Edwards in the primary, but I'm having trouble getting an absentee ballot for my father(he's in a nursing home). The application came back rejected today because the signature did not match the one they had on record for him. Well, he's got macular degeneration & can barely see to write his name, so of course his signature has changed. I don't know what I'm going to do about it.
You're saying they are soft dems?
hadenough
It wouldn't surprise me if a substantial number are. That worries me, actually. If Clinton ends up winning, I would hope that she is extremely gracious and bends over backwards to reach out to Obama and his supporters. Solidarity, no matter who wins, is vital.
Her Supreme Court picks will be conservatives & she will govern just like her Republican husband.
I personally knew one of Bill Clinton's nominees for 6th Circuit, one of the many potential judges the Rethugs sabotaged (specifically that ass Spence Abraham). She was a liberal, an excellent lawyer, and would have made an outstanding judge.
If Hillary Clinton's nominees are like that, the country will be in good hands.
I am an atheist - and religious people live longer. I think I would rather be religious than not. But I can't fathom any of it at all. I imagine is like being gay: you is or you isn't.
I'd be bummed to come in third in the state where I was born.
HA! I get a "I think I'm all that" vibe from Barry.
Cookie Fleck `08
Huh. I don't, at all. I mean, you don't run for president if you don't have a strong ego, but I don't get a Kiss My Feet feeling off him.
Caroline Kennedy saying Obama is like her dad will carry a lot of weight with me.
It's hello California
Hello Dad and Mom
Ship Ahoy, your baby boy
is home from Vietnam
Please don't ask me any questions
About these medals on my chest
Take the star out of the window
And let my conscience take a rest.
-- John Prine
I never change.
Except in my affections.
sister of ye --
Yep!
The Democratic Congress did not support their president & the voters (who were tired of gridlock) kicked the bastards out!
Clinton was way more conservative than I, but he was the president we had -- opposing him when he was being progressive was just stupid!
IMHO, our best hope this cycle is that the religious right will stay home if Romney or McCain is the nominee -- I wil take a win any way we can get it!
BTW -- you gonna try to make it to the EschaCon?
I think they could come home with honor if the administration took responsibility for the mess their greed created and turned themselves over to the Hague.
Just sayin'.
whiskeyina | Homepage | 01.26.08 - 9:38 pm | #
Heh. I'm positive Bush doesn't have a clue he did anything wrong.
Edwards met the same woman as Obama.
Culture of TrÜth
*snicker*
I don't know what I'm going to do about it.
Karin
Call the Supervisor of Elections and tell them, and get a note from his physician if necessary.
I imagine is like being gay: you is or you isn't.
Yes. All theology is an amusing waste of time, and it always comes down to this intuitive thing people feel or do not.
I'm positive Bush doesn't have a clue he did anything wrong.
Gilly Gonzylon
Sociopaths don't consciences.
Anything bad that happens is everyone else's fault, never theirs.
Caroline Kennedy saying Obama is like her dad will carry a lot of weight with me.
Gomez
A serial cheater?
rootless-e | 01.26.08 - 9:39 pm | #
Clinton really pushed NAFTA big time. It almost felt like he was telling the core constituencies of the party to go to hell.
Well, they stayed home in 1994 or voted GOP. So they, in turn, told Bill to go to hell.
See, there's Edwards problem right there. You can't talk about all that suffering and then smile. It's jarring.
I like him but he has a style problem.
Caroline Kennedy saying Obama is like her dad will carry a lot of weight with me.
Gomez
I've said this from the beginning...that Obama reminds me of JFK. Trust me. I'm a Bostonian. I remember very, very well how JFK excited and inspired people.
Bless you Caroline.
My impression is the Clinton supporters are more longtime team/party players whereas the Obama base is newer and more susceptible to disillusion.
Not exactly. For example, Gregoire thinks her close election was due to mostly liberal Washingtonians voting for that asswipe Rossi. Her poor showing was more likely her lack of reaching out to Sims's supporters. A mistake she seems hellbent to repeat this year.
Sociopaths don't consciences.
Exactly, so they have no compunction about being insincere and manipulative as hell.
This is central to my point.
"I'm not an atheist and I have
never been an atheist."
- Larry Craig
Call the Supervisor of Elections and tell them, and get a note from his physician if necessary.
I've only got a week, and I have to send in the application, get the ballot back in the mail, and get it back to them by election day. It might be less hassle to take him to the polling place in a wheelchair.
"Thank God I'm an atheist"
Luis Bunuel...
Holy jesus fracking christ on a cactus who allowed Princess Leia to make noise opposite Robert Osborne?! Talk about shades of blonde...
I have a special announcement: I have decided that I would absolutely do Michelle Obama.
Obama's speech at the 2004 convention was the highlight of the convention. Quite stirring.
Don't make us come down there again.
No one has ever captured Charleston.
Well, OK, there was that one guy. But he cheated.
Caroline Kennedy saying Obama is like her dad will carry a lot of weight with me.
Gomez
A serial cheater?
Cookie Fleck `08
Bush probably never cheated on his wife--probably. And also Cheney.
And look what great leaders they've been.
It's a great way to determine one's ability to lead a country, no?
This country is toast.
It has been ever since the Brooks Bros. rioters in Florida weren't arrested for felonies for interfering in a federal election.
I like Edwards a lot. He was very amusing on David Letterman the other night. Perfectly relaxed and funny as hell.
"True. But Bill Clinton made NAFTA his legislative top priority in 1991 and pushed it through on blue dog and republican votes against the wishes of the democrats, the unions, and the environmentalists. And he lost the house in the next election.
rootless-e"
Just what planet did you say you were from:
Between 1994 (when NAFTA was implemented) and 2000, total employment rose rapidly in the United States, causing overall unemployment to fall to record low levels. But unemployment began to rise early in 2001, and 2.4 million jobs were lost in the domestic economy between March 2001 and October 2003 (BLS 2003). These job losses have been primarily concentrated in the manufacturing sector, which has experienced a total decline of 2.4 million jobs since March 2001. As job growth has dried up in the economy, the underlying problems caused by U.S. trade deficits have become much more apparent, especially in manufacturing.
http://www.theleftcoaster.com/ar...ives/
011797.php
Gregoire is going to lose, unfortunately.
Bush probably never cheated on his wife
I dunno. Does Jimmy/Jeff count as cheating or not?
Caroline Kennedy saying Obama is like her dad will carry a lot of weight with me.
Gomez
A serial cheater?
Cookie Fleck `08
Bush probably never cheated on his wife--probably. And also Cheney.
And look what great leaders they've been.
It's a great way to determine one's ability to lead a country, no?
Shaw Kenawe
I was just being silly. Sorry to get your hackles up!
Though what if Scarlett Johanson showed up at President Obama's birthday party to sing?
Well, that was quite the 'fuck you, Hillary' speech from Obama, albeit with velvet gloves.
You do get the feeling that he's tapping into a sentiment that repudiating the Bush years might mean repudiating the Clintons as well.
If Hillary just gives the stump speech, you have to wonder about the visuals of the cabloids cutting her off because there's no concession there. Also, Howard Wolfson saying that they're moving on to Florida is not good. It looks like sneaky politics. So many missteps.
Hey, it is after 9:30 -- I've got to get up & preach tomorrow -- I am too crippled to administer Communion -- we are going to have to get creative on that (monks HATE that!)
G'night bats -- remember, the most important thing is to win -- we won't get everything we want, but the perfect is the enemy of the good -- Clinton's SCOTUS nominees might be moderates, but they are liberals on this Court!
just got it.
wow...how was obama's acceptance speech?
You do get the feeling that he's tapping into a sentiment that repudiating the Bush years might mean repudiating the Clintons as well.
Yeah, because they were sooo similar.
Well, OK, there was that one guy. But he cheated.
I think we decided the other night that it's not cheating, it's "playing to win".
I never cheated - on any of them - , so I can't be President.
'night, Prior. And yeah: What you said.
"I like Edwards a lot. He was very amusing on David Letterman the other night. Perfectly relaxed and funny as hell."
I want to see Edwards as president, but I wish he would be as spontaneous when he is giving a speech. He is becoming very repetitious. It sounds hokey and contrived after hearing it over and over again. There has to be more depth and variety.
Fineman pointing out people who said Oprah wouldn't have an effect can eat their crow now.
I cheated on Linda Fiorentino. But don't tell her.
Though what if Scarlett Johanson showed up at President Obama's birthday party to sing?
Cookie Fleck `08
Scarlett Johanson is gorgeous, fer sure. But Michelle Obama is too. And brainy. And she has mucho style.
Just like Jackie!
rethreads
Why, oh fucking why, does the media insist on having twisted perverts like Bill Bennett as experts?
See, there's Edwards problem right there. You can't talk about all that suffering and then smile. It's jarring. I like him but he has a style problem.- Culture of TrÜth
I remember a Twain story about folks looking down from heaven lamenting the fate of a soldier who was born to be the greatest military General in history, unfortunately for him and the rest of his countrymen he had neither lineage nor legacy and the powers that be had relegated him to a grade II cook
I cheated on Linda Fiorentino. But don't tell her.
Doug Watts, looser than thou | Homepage | 01.26.08 - 9:50 pm | #
Heh. What a yumster she is.
I think we decided the other night that it's not cheating, it's "playing to win".
Well, he lost. And Francis Marion stole his fancy uniforms.
Talk about purple! That woman already has her church outfit on.
I turned the sound back on on the TV just as I think I heard the head on MSNBC say "there were all white faces behind Obama tonight . . ." meaning when he was speaking.
????????????
Though what if Scarlett Johanson showed up at CoT's birthday party to sing?
fixed your typo
Why, oh fucking why, does the media insist on having twisted perverts like Bill Bennett as experts?
angryspittle | 01.26.08 - 9:51 pm | #
Good agents and publicists.
Bush probably never cheated on his wife--probably. And also Cheney.
And look what great leaders they've been.
It's a great way to determine one's ability to lead a country, no?
Shaw Kenawe
And Nixon.
Though what if Scarlett Johanson showed up at President Obama's birthday party to sing?
Cookie Fleck `08
If Pam Grier showed up, I'd be there.
wow...how was obama's acceptance speech?
jdw
Spectacular! He knows how to speak. Can we imagine how that will be after 8 years of idiocy. We could acutally listen to a man who knows how to use his native language!
I've said this from the beginning...that Obama reminds me of JFK. Trust me. I'm a Bostonian. I remember very, very well how JFK excited and inspired people.
Bless you Caroline.
Shaw Kenawe | Homepage | 01.26.08 - 9:44 pm | #
This is gonna be considered heresy, I know, but I sometimes don't get the JFK nostalgia. I was born 16 years after his death, so I have no personal experience of him. I know he was elected after a long period of Ike-Republican rule, and brought a sense of change and inspiration (a similarity to Obama, IMO), but what substantive things did he accomplish? Why do people care who Caroline Kennedy would endorse?
I'm not trying to be an asshole, I'm just honestly curious.
I'm not defending Bill Clinton's less than progressive policies - just pointing out any lack of loyalty between him and Congressional Dems was definitely a two-way street. The rest of the party was extremely remiss in not trying to halt the Rethugs shenanigans, for the good of the party and the country as a whole.
Good agents and publicists.
Gilly Gonzylon | 01.26.08 - 9:52 pm | #
A good agent/publicist can do wonders...
This thread is too long, get out of here!
but what substantive things did he accomplish?
Well, he did sort of get interrupted a little bit.
I can only assume that the Hillary advisors think they get free media time for the stump speech. But she's going to get cut off. That makes her look like a second-tier candidate.
I turned the sound back on on the TV just as I think I heard the head on MSNBC say "there were all white faces behind Obama tonight . . ." meaning when he was speaking.
????????????
V for Virginia
what substantive things did he accomplish? Why do people care who Caroline Kennedy would endorse?
I'm not trying to be an asshole, I'm just honestly curious.
Barbarism Begins at Home | 01.26.08 - 9:53 pm | #
He told the Germans he was a donut, he kept the Russians from putting missles in Cuba, and his wife was teh hawt.
what substantive things did he accomplish?
He never really had the chance.
karin - next year find out if they have some form a notary can sign to certify witnessing his signature, assuming someone at the nursing home is a notary.
I turned the sound back on on the TV just as I think I heard the head on MSNBC say "there were all white faces behind Obama tonight . . ." meaning when he was speaking.
????????????
V for Virginia
fucking haloscan.
It was a totally mixed racial crowd. and everybody loved him.
And there we go. She ceded control of her message to the cabloids.
sister of ye | 01.26.08 - 9:53 pm | #
I remember Clinton saying "it wasn't his job to re-elect" Dems in 1996. I don't remember when, though. Probably Dick Morris told him to say that. Triangulation and all that.
If Clinton had gotten Dems the Congress back in 1996, he wouldn't have been impeached. He should think about that before trashing the base of the party.
the Asteroids game over at facebook is quite authentic
I have massive nostalgia for early 80s video arcades.
Prior, can't make it to EschaCon. The finances rule it out, and there are a few other things going on, too. So you'll have to party a bit harder for me.
sheets, btw.
I know he was elected after a long period of Ike-Republican rule, and brought a sense of change and inspiration (a similarity to Obama, IMO), but what substantive things did he accomplish? Why do people care who Caroline Kennedy would endorse?
I'm not trying to be an asshole, I'm just honestly curious.
Barbarism Begins at Home
Well he was murdered after only 1,000 days in office. But he accepted responsibilty for the Bay of Pigs fiasco, and he was not going forward into Viet Nam (according to his brother, after JFK's death) and he was going forward with Civil Rights.
But he was murdered.
He did give this country hope and got many young people involved in politics.
That's an excellent idea, TEBB. I'm a notary myself, but I'm disqualified, being a family member. There is a thing you can check off on the application to say you're disabled, so you want absentee ballots automatically for future elections. Before this, he was in assisted living, and the polling place is right in the building.
"He should think about that before trashing the base of the party.
Janeane The Acerbic Goblin"
What are you typing about?
John McCain was racist in the SC debate, read it here:
John McCain's racism in SC debate
Unfortunately it took segregationist Governor Wallace to reveal the truth that "there's not a dime's worth of difference between" Republicans and Democrats. The Democrats willingly went along with the War in Iraq, suspension of Habeas Corpus, detaining protesters, banning books like America Deceived (book) from Amazon, stealing private lands (Kelo decision), warrant-less wiretapping and refusing to investigate 9/11 properly. They are both guilty of treason.
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John McCain was racist in the SC debate, read it here:
John McCain's racism during SC debate
Unfortunately it took segregationist Governor Wallace to reveal the truth that "there's not a dime's worth of difference between" Republicans and Democrats. The Democrats willingly went along with the War in Iraq, suspension of Habeas Corpus, detaining protesters, banning books like America Deceived (book) from Amazon, stealing private lands (Kelo decision), warrant-less wiretapping and refusing to investigate 9/11 properly. They are both guilty of treason.
Support Dr. Ron Paul and save this great nation.
Good morning, peeps.
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