I'MMA LET YOU FINISH
It's amazing the crap that passes for shit around here.
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ta da
Tweety pretends to misunderstand. He's good at it. It's annoying.
aha
who was that man behind the podium on my teevee yesterday?
Somebody told me he is going to be president in January. I told that guy he was crazy.
Our presidents aren't supposed to sound intelligent and speak in complete sentences... or are they?
QuentinCompson, Negatory
um, yeeeah
As long as Obama's tax plan reflects this nation's center-right orientation, he will have succeeded.
No kidding
"What does Barack Obama want?" Dodd rhetorically asked reporters Friday in Hartford. "He's talked about reconciliation, healing, bringing people together. I don't think he'd necessarily want to spend the first month of this president-elect period, this transition period, talking about a Senate seat, particularly if someone is willing to come forward and is willing to be a member of your family in the caucus in that sense."
http://www.courant.com/news/
poli...0,1521405.story
I blame Connecticut.
dagnabbit!
occupied WH leaving boobytraps, see http://cabdrollery.blogspot.com/
impeach haloscan
Obama's tax-plan as he described it yesterday was precisely what was up on his website for months.
Republicans are against education...
But for Chris Matthews and the gang this was evidence that maybe Obama wasn't as much of a socialist as they thought.
...Gonna be a Big Dumb Four Years! Even That One can't change that.
I suppose I'd be steamed, but if Tweety changes the narrrative to "He's not a commie" without anything changing policywise, that's a GOOD thing, isn't it?
Tweety should stick to telling us what things smell like.
Yeah, haloscan was kidding.
So, in the upcoming Obama administration, when we're all forced to gay marry atheist Muslims, can we pick who we can gay marry, or will our new Socialist Overlords make that decision for us?
As long as Obama's tax plan reflects this nation's center-right orientation, he will have succeeded.
but it won't, because he's a scary Islamosocialist!!!
If Tweety is really, as rumored, auditioning for press secretary, he's going to have to figure out that policy maters.
Hi all.
My first online poll. You're gonna love this.
Why did God abandon Palin and the Republicans in 2008?
http://thetimchannel.com/?p=242
Enjoy.
administrations may change but our trolls never do.
Speaking of dumb, another comment on Pammy's post:
"This explains the PEOTUS power grab, website, placards, etc. He's thinking that if he makes a bold and audacious stake on the presidency that no one will have the guts to challenge him. Fits right in with the Rules for Radicals"
but but but Brent Bozell said Obama ran a "Reganite" campaign!
If Tweety is really, as rumored, auditioning for press secretary, he's going to have to figure out that policy maters.
gVOR08
I hear he's boning up on naming all fifty states and their capitals.
from below:
Kittehs is good, though they are now waking me up at 5 am in tribute to the return of Standard Time.
War On War Off
mine never paid any attention to time, anyway. Night is when I'm still enuff to curl up on top of.
DT'd:
Most senators are receptive to Lieberman's argument that allowing him to stay represents the type of unity that President-elect Barack Obama espouses.
The aide also said that Lieberman was not offered a subcommittee, as has been reported, but rather was offered chairmanship of a lesser committee. He didn't specify which one he was referring to. However, if Lieberman left Homeland Security, Sen. Daniel Akaka (D-Hawaii) would be next in line and would have to give up Veterans Affairs, which would then be open for Lieberman.
There is no part of this that isn't horseshit.
I delivered a yummy chocolate cake and thank-you card to Howard Dean this morning, on behalf of all of us at Eschaton.
He was delighted and seemed genuinely grateful.
You rock. *mwah*
chris mathews recap of the news confrence was so lacking in comprehension and retension of detail, as in me mangled it, that I was stunned he has the job he has.
Total Hack.
Matthews is paid to misunderstand politics in ways more flattering to the corporate right.
Shorter Matthews:
The Obama presidency -- a terrible failure.
Speaking of taxes - is the $700 billion handout to rich Wall Street bankers tax free?
Even That One can't change that.
Oh ye of little faith.
Damn, Darcy Burner conceded. Shame she lost.
Robert Gibbs, the man who pwned Hannity completely, is gonna be Press Secretary.
I'm blogwhoring, but my heart's not really in it today.
So if you want to check out the droll new Listomania over at the homepage, feel free.
And if you want to vote for Coolest Overlooked Thriller of All Time over at Box Office, that would be okay too.
http://boxoffice.com/blogs/steve...nia-spec-
22.php
(Heheh...let's see if the reverse psychology works!!!!)
righties have their panties in a twist because Obama did not call on a Fox News reporter during the press conference yesterday.
The American media don't do discourse.
They're too busy spouting whatever the right wing orders it to.
Damn, Darcy Burner conceded. Shame she lost.
masculine_monica_nyc
I blame the Seattle Times lying for Reichert. That is definitely a newspaper that deserves to go bankrupt.
Fox had better get used to that.
...Candy Crowley's question was idiotic too. "Can you tell us the details of your CIA briefing, even though I know you can't?"
idiot.
Tweety's auditioning for Dispatcher of Arlen.
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Re: Lieberman
As I said on Sadly, No! teh other day -
Oh, lord.
ThinkProgress has this turd from Sen. Evan Bayh concerning Lieberman:
BAYH: And I think if Joe came before the caucus and said look, if I said some things that came as offensive, I’m sorry, but they were, you know heartfelt in my support of John McCain. I think we had to just let bygones be bygones. We’re going to need him on healthcare and energy independence and education and a whole lot of other things.
I think we had just to let both Bayh and Lieberman find a nice short dock to take a long walk on. Creeps.
If the media adopts the Narrative that Obama is reaching across the artisan divide and governing from the center-right without him actually changing his policy agenda, isn't that actual evidence of the "center" moving leftwards? Isn't that what we want more than anything else?
Tweety pretends to misunderstand. He's good at it. It's annoying.
mdh
It is annoying, but I'm not sure he's pretending.
"This explains the PEOTUS power grab, website, placards, etc. He's thinking that if he makes a bold and audacious stake on the presidency...
Yeah, it's like he thinks he's going to become President in a couple of months. How presumptuous of him.
Republicans are against education...
George Johnston
Educated people can't be controlled.
“I know that I know that I know that there was nothing done wrong in the campaign,” she said. Palin complained that the other 49 states “aren’t quite there” like Alaska because they don’t allow the same “equal opportunities and equal treatment.”
I didn't realize that Alaska's electoral politics are so egalitarian.
The artisan divide, ayep. dam finners.
He's thinking that if he makes a bold and audacious stake on the presidency...
He already has.
I delivered a yummy chocolate cake and thank-you card to Howard Dean this morning, on behalf of all of us at Eschaton.
He was delighted and seemed genuinely grateful.
You rock. *mwah*
ms fahrenheit | 11.08.08 - 12:14 pm |
ms fahrenheit, who delivered the cake? I missed it and looked uptread and didn't see it.
Yeah, it's like he thinks he's going to become President in a couple of months. How presumptuous of him.
tech98
Reid's counteroffer to Loserman should be this: put on this motley and coxcomb and we'll let you be the Senate jester.
Everybody knows Obama is actually center-right politician, which is why he won.
Or he lied about being a socialist.
Or this is a center-right country, and so he's screwed and doomed to put the GOP back into power in two years.
Who needs policy when you have pontification?
If the media adopts the Narrative that Obama is reaching across the artisan divide and governing from the center-right without him actually changing his policy agenda, isn't that actual evidence of the "center" moving leftwards? Isn't that what we want more than anything else?
That's what Reagan did for the right.
Gromit delivered the cake; he lives near and knows both the Drs. Dean.
Tweety was definitely looking for a story "Obama To Change Tax Plan?" where there simply wasn't one.
I think though, that Eugene Robinson corrected him fairly quickly. So, in this case, I don't think you can blame Tweety and his gang. Simply Tweety.
I don't remember what Fineman said. I think my brain has found a way to filter out his words.
Shorter Bayh, Dodd: Everything is permitted.
Palin complained that the other 49 states “aren’t quite there” like Alaska because they don’t allow the same “equal opportunities and equal treatment.”
Alaska is the rape capital of the country, IIRC.
Doesn't sound like such a great place for women.
Yeah, it's like he thinks he's going to become President in a couple of months. How presumptuous of him.
tech98
Dare we say, "uppity"?
Who needs policy when you have pontification?
Rmj, Joe the Theologist
Don't knock it-it got me through my last two Administrative Councils 
Yeah, haloscan was kidding.
A. Buttle | 11.08.08 - 12:11 pm | #
You mean your testicles really HAVEN'T descended?
Bummer....
Tweety wants to see "dirt moved."
You big dummy!
[/Fred Sanford]
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Bobo on Wednesday was telling us all that Obama would have to 'go slow' (same words used back in the days opposition to integration wanted to 'go slow') so that he could win the public's trust. Of course, voting for him was really so distrustful. Idjuts, indeed.
Everybody knows Obama is actually center-right politician, which is why he won.
No, no, see, he ran as a center-right candidate but he's actually secretly a Marxist who's been concealing this from everyone for the last 30 years!
Some lefty on MSNBC just told Alex Witt that John Bolton "is full of crap."
I really don't think that would have happened before Tuesday.
I don't remember what Fineman said. I think my brain has found a way to filter out his words.
You should bottle that and sell it in high-def.
Defending Our Freedom | 11.08.08 - 12:11 pm
From what part of Iraq are you posting, soldier?
I think a sales tax on stock market transactions is the best way to recoup our $700 billion handout to Wall Street bankers.
Thanks Plantsman. Way to go Gromit!
Rmj, Joe the Theologist
Pessimist much?
Chripes, the guy just got elected!
Just remember...
AndyMN
Outstanding!
Actually, It was to Amy Robach -- GOP princess Alex Witt is not working today.
Bobo on Wednesday was telling us all that Obama would have to 'go slow' (same words used back in the days opposition to integration wanted to 'go slow') so that he could win the public's trust. Of course, voting for him was really so distrustful. Idjuts, indeed.
How thoughtful of Republican David Brooks to give Obama advice. He's swell!
i would also like to remind those blithering gasbags that they have been wrongwrongwrong about every fucking policy issue and preferred candidate they have attempted to foist on the country for the past eight years.
the mittster and his 747 shoulders;
america's mayor rudy giuliani;
the great daddy fred thompson;
the calming preacherman mike huckabee;
the unstoppable clinton machine;
the adults in charge -- cheney, rumsfeld, powell and rice;
and most catastrophically -- that fratboy fun guy you could have a beer with -- george w. bush.
fuck tweety and his village compatriots.
...the other 49 states “aren’t quite there” like Alaska because they don’t allow the same “equal opportunities and equal treatment.”
She has a point. Not many other states would allow a semi-retarded woman to become Governor.
While I was primarily motivated by the desire to say thanks to the good doctor, I must confess that I bought myself a ginger molasses cookie at the bakery while I was there.
plantsman: Actually, It was to Amy Robach -- GOP princess Alex Witt is not working today.
You are the go-to guy on MSNBC. And plants, of course!
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I think a sales tax on stock market transactions is the best way to recoup our $700 billion handout to Wall Street bankers.
Stamp tax, duckfuckers!
I think a sales tax on stock market transactions is the best way to recoup our $700 billion handout to Wall Street bankers.
come up with the right term for it and it will sell right now.
greed tax?
I don't think simels wants to be my friend. And after all I did for him.
and most catastrophically -- that fratboy fun guy you could have a beer with -- george w. bush.
Especially since Wastrel Bush claims to be on the wagon for how many years now?
Why did the Ice Princess keep repeating "I know?" Was her brain stuck?
You know, Atrios and Glenzilla and every regular commenter rails about the stupidity of the discourse, and nothing changes.
Until Tweety is yanked off the air, it will not change.
Tweety must go. Not to mention Leslie, Campbell, JoeScar....well, I could spend all frigggin' day on this...
christ, how could i forget their beloved st johnnie the maverick -- he was a former pow; and tortured to boot, doncha know...
A well-baked ginger molasses cookie can be wonderful, if memory serves.
.Bobo on Wednesday was telling us all that Obama would have to 'go slow'
But only at first. He's kind of afraid of all the rumors about size, but deep down he's really excited at the pounding he's about to receive.
How thoughtful of Republican David Brooks to give Obama advice. He's swell!
masculine_monica_nyc
He's been smirking unbearably while doling out the good will ever since it became obvious he (Bobo) has been completely and totally wrong for eight years.
As long as Obama's tax plan reflects this nation's center-right orientation, he will have succeeded.
Gee, you said exactly the same thing about judicial appointments.
Guess you have center-right on the brain.
Keep in mind, though--that puts you in the minority.
come up with the right term for it and it will sell right now.
Call it the Gross Regressive Tax and teh WSJ will get behind it.
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While I was primarily motivated by the desire to say thanks to the good doctor, I must confess that I bought myself a ginger molasses cookie at the bakery while I was there.
Gromit | 11.08.08 - 12:23 pm | #
Well, I am taking back the kiss, and offering you a 'thank-you' handshake then.
dt
A reported 91% of Republicans "approve" of Sarah Palin, including 65% who "Highly Approve" of her.
Hee - yesterday's Zogby survey asked who I wanted most to run for the Republican candidacy for president in 2012. Palin, of course
fokowi, the resurrected?
Why did the Ice Princess keep repeating "I know?" Was her brain stuck?
What was great was watching Rachel's reaction to Mooselini's constant bringing up of the very issues that do her the most damage, unbidden.
“Nearly two out of three restaurant operators reported negative same-store sales and traffic levels in September, while 50 percent expect their sales in six months to be lower than the same period in the previous year.”
New York is getting creamed.
Pessimist much?
Chripes, the guy just got elected!
Terry C - Got My Country Back!
Referring to the pundits, not the politicans. Ya know, the topic of the thread.
Thanks for playing, though!
A well-baked ginger molasses cookie can be wonderful, if memory serves.
plantsman
Oh, it was barely edible. I only bought it so some diabetic would not be tempted. 
I see Nate Silver has shaded MO deep red, so I'm guessing MO has been called...?
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Rachel was great on the Colbert Report.
He's been smirking unbearably while doling out the good will ever since it became obvious he (Bobo) has been completely and totally wrong for eight years.
He can afford to smirk, I guess. It's not as though PBS or the New York Times is going to fire him.
Gonna be a Big Dumb Four Years! Even That One can't change that
We could if we put our collective mind to it.
JP
Are you the person who can hook me up with a "It's not rocket surgery" t-shirt?
Well, I am taking back the kiss, and offering you a 'thank-you' handshake then.
Well, yeah; but Omaha went blue!
The Palin Chronicles
One final anecdote from that Newsweek series:
The day of the third debate, Palin refused to go onstage with New Hampshire GOP Sen. John Sununu and Jeb Bradley, a New Hampshire congressman running for the Senate, because they were pro-choice and because Bradley opposed drilling in Alaska. The McCain campaign ordered her onstage at the next campaign stop, but she refused to acknowledge the two Republican candidates standing behind her.
She's like a rogue elephant in a "must" condition.
Until Tweety is yanked off the air, it will not change.
Tweety must go. Not to mention Leslie, Campbell, JoeScar....well, I could spend all frigggin' day on this...
Apprentice to Darth Holden
I just don't watch 'em.
What's really interesting is how little influence they obviously have on the electorate. Perhaps they have inordinate influence inside the Beltway, and so on the politicians who work there, but outside it?
Nada.
.Until Tweety is yanked off the air, it will not change.
Tweety must go.
Perhaps, but before he goes, he must be taken to Room 101 and taught to love Big Brother.
Nearly two out of three restaurant operators reported negative same-store sales
i've noticed a huge drop-off in a formerly very crowded mcd's and diner in the neighborhood i work in. they used to be packed at lunchtime and now there's no wait at all.
Fuck yeah! Virgil Goode lost??
I'll be honest with all of you.
I wanted a Democrat elected so much that I really did not spend a lot of time considering what tax plan he has.
I really don't CARE what the tax plan is.
I trust Obama and am sure he'll do the right thing.
musk
blerb, maybe he doesn't have the nerve to say 'please be gentle'
and monica, if any of the Wise Old Men are still around after a year of Obama's presidency, I will conclude that One is related to the comptroller.
ms fahrenheit: Are you the person who can hook me up with a "It's not rocket surgery" t-shirt?
IIRC, those are the shirts that V for Virginia and her hubby bought at the Flying Saucer, Nashville's serious beer-drinkin' place.
If so, sure!
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Thank God Newt Gingrich is returning to the limelight to raise the discourse to a higher level.
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Gromit, That was very thoughtful of you. Thanks.
it's obamaha...
Perhaps they have inordinate influence inside the Beltway, and so on the politicians who work there, but outside it?
The point is, they're broadcasting the message of the Corporate Overlords at all time. Ratings are high enout to keep MSNBC in the black, so the beancounters are happy.
The thing that pissed me off most about Tweety was how he hurt Al Gore's chances in 2000.
That's over now.
Hee - yesterday's Zogby survey asked who I wanted most to run for the Republican candidacy for president in 2012. Palin, of course
Ha! It's an honest answer to their question, though.
On Wait, Wait this morning they suggested that she might buy a new house somewhere where she can see a library.
Yup, It was The Flying Saucer Virginia mentioned this morning, all right!
What's really interesting is how little influence they obviously have on the electorate.
What's the total ratings audience for the three cable newsers - 3 million?
Half of that is made up of TVs tuned to the station in airports and waiting rooms...
I am going to make soup today. And try to clean up the apartment. And see if the DVD cleaning disk I just bought will in fact make my DVD player show me the moving pictures again. 'Cause that would be nice, for later, with the soup. Also there might be ginger tea, because that ginger molasses cookie sounds so good. Anyway, I just wanted to share this information. Happy Saturday, folks.
New York is getting creamed.
"In the garden, growth has it seasons. First comes spring and summer, but then we have fall and winter. And then we get spring and summer again. "
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Lots of empty parking lots here around diners and restaurants.
If so, sure!
Yes, she mentioned that you might be able to.
I'll send $$$. I have your email addy.
I'm guessing MO has been called...?
MO had its chance to sit at the grownup table. Now they get to sit at the kid table with HoJoe.
I watch CNN when there's an election or a disaster. Other than that, not so much.
Fuck yeah! Virgil Goode lost??
There's gonna be a recount, no?
Lots of empty parking lots here around diners and restaurants.
leibniz leibkins
No one goes to them, they're always crowded.
plantsman: Yup, It was The Flying Saucer Virginia mentioned this morning, all right!
They have a half-dozen or so clever shirts at any one time, and they're forever selling out of one, and bringing up a new one.
I got one from them, years ago. One side said "Beer Knurd," and the other side said "I brake for beer."
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It's what I've suspected all along: Obama's a nerd in radical clothing.
I watch CNN for my Paris Hilton news.
We're all such dumbasses.
The purpose of the teevee is not to entertain.
It's to sell Buicks. Of course, it's failing at selling Buicks, so it falls back to its other purpose.
Dumbing us all down and keeping us amused and hypmotized like one does with a cat and a laser pointer.
Armstrong Williams is just pathetic, spouting the center-right crap.
May I just say that if churches continue to involve themselves in political issues (yes, Mormon church, I'm talking to you), they should lose their tax-exempt status?
Thank you.
More names that might sell a Tax on Wall Street Transactions.
The Fuck Them For Fucking You Penalty Fee
The Soak the Monopoly Guy Till All He Can Afford is His Monocle Charge
The You're Lucky We Didn't Just Elect An Actual Marxist Or You Motherfuckers Would All Be Going To Jail Transaction Fee.
Speaking of lunch, I gotta go warm up something since today it's in the 50's for a change in N.TX. Love it cool.
Diane has warned about a few new slime patches that the occupied WH is leaving for Obama
at http://cabdrollery.blogspot.com/
Er rather INFORM, not entertain.
Maybe simels is just not the friendly type.
More names that might sell a Tax on Wall Street Transactions.
Ferengi asstard tax
The purpose of the teevee is not to entertain.
It's to sell Buicks. Of course, it's failing at selling Buicks, so it falls back to its other purpose.
I have a Chevy.
"Obama said nothing yesterday to suggest that his actual tax plan might change, though of course it might. Even if you buy the idea that he was spinning his plan slightly differently than he was during the campaign (he wasn't), that doesn't change the fact the plan itself has yet to change. But for Chris Matthews and the gang this was evidence that maybe Obama wasn't as much of a socialist as they thought."
While I carry no brief for Tweety, I think your the tone of this comment is a bit over the top given the question asked of Obama and his answer. Obama was asked directly whether, given the state of the economy, he still intended to raise taxes on people making over $250k/year. Note that the question was about the future, so what is the basis for making the point that "the fact the plan itself has yet to change"? More importantly, Obama did not directly answer a direct question. Instead, he talked about the fact that his plan will produce a "net tax cut". We are rightly celebrating the fact that we've elected a very, very smart man who uses language very precisely . . . so are we really going to go off the edge when pundits notice variation in Obama's language when responding to questions about his intentions?
Here:
Democrat Tom Perriello yesterday declared victory in his challenge against Rep. Virgil H. Goode Jr., a longtime incumbent in southern Virginia, although Goode has not conceded and the close contest might be headed for a recount.
"I am proud and humbled to be elected as the next congressman from the fifth district of Virginia," Perriello said in a statement.
According to unofficial results from the Virginia State Board of Elections, Perriello was up by 745 votes yesterday, with 50.9 percent of the vote, compared with 49.85 percent for Goode. The results will not be certified until Nov. 24, after which the losing party will be able to request a recount.
A landmark restaurant here closed suddenly this week. My bil works with restaurants. I think he's going to have a rough year.
Until Tweety is yanked off the air, it will not change.
Tweety must go. Not to mention Leslie, Campbell, JoeScar....well, I could spend all frigggin' day on this...
Apprentice to Darth Holden
Well, I developed a (very small) soft spot for Tweety after he skewered Michelle Bachman.
May I just say that if churches continue to involve themselves in political issues (yes, Mormon church, I'm talking to you), they should lose their tax-exempt status?
I've been saying this for years. Not just the Mormon Church, however. Catholic, Baptist, you name it.
In the first of an expected avalanche of post-election regulations, the Bush administration on Friday narrowed the scope of services that can be provided to poor people under Medicaid’s outpatient hospital benefit.
Fuck you, George W. Bush. And the Cheney you rode in on.
Armstrong Williams is just pathetic, spouting the center-right crap.
plantsman
You're expecting actual intelligent commentary and debate on shows like his?
Tweety finds a nut now and then. I think he's an excellent candidate for reprogramming.
If Tweety runs for PA Senator, he'll have to disclose actual "positions" on things. I find myself doubting he'll do so.
In the first of an expected avalanche of post-election regulations, the Bush administration on Friday narrowed the scope of services that can be provided to poor people under Medicaid’s outpatient hospital benefit.
I read that in the paper this morning. Infuriating.
The cool part is that Tim Russert is still dead.
More importantly, Obama did not directly answer a direct question. Instead--
Your concern is noted.
More names that might sell a Tax on Wall Street Transactions.
The Protect Your 401(k) Tax.
According to unofficial results from the Virginia State Board of Elections, Perriello was up by 745 votes yesterday, with 50.9 percent of the vote, compared with 49.85 percent for Goode. The results will not be certified until Nov. 24, after which the losing party will be able to request a recount.
Goode riddance!
The cool part is that Tim Russert is still dead.
Yep.
On Palin Trashing: McCain Ipsa Loquitur — or not [Andy McCarthy]
The Romney people did it?
Sen. McCain did not allow a nanosecond to go buy without issuing a sanctimonius, full-throated condemnation of any Republican who dared use Sen. Obama's middle name, mention Jeremiah Wright, or otherwise trash The One.
So where is the vigorous defense of his running-mate?
I'm sorry Obama won, but I'm not weeping that we won't have these fabulously honorable guys running the place — and running down their own — for the next four years.
McStain did clothe her whole family, head to toe. What more do you want?
Watch Armstrong's show? He was a guest on MSNBC. Whadda you think I am, crazy?
This one will truly bust you up.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/
wp...0603948_pf.html
Obama himself said his election is not change in and of itself. He actively encouraged us to protest and pester him.
It has to happen immediately. The other side is already trying to force their agenda on him. The pressure from progressive liberals has to start now.
Are you the person who can hook me up with a "It's not rocket surgery" t-shirt?
he probably is, but i'm the person who gave you the term.
I just noticed something very funny after a stop over at Redstate.
Their RS banner showing a strip through the center of the country all in red. This section consists of 33 states, of which only 9 & 2/3's are actually red (Nebraska 1/3 blue now) leaving 23 & 1/3 blue.
The banner needs to move way south and pull in from the coasts.
McCain - irrelevant.
Palin - irrelevant.
The next battle is 2010.
We will lose seats then.
Anyone remember a song called "A Trip to Avagavany" from 1969? They're playing it now on the 10@10!
(yes, Mormon church, I'm talking to you),
I read someone at Orange Satan proposing a ballot for CA that bans Mormonism. They only make up 2% of the population, so it might pass.
This one will truly bust you up.
Great article, with a kick in the gut at the end. Extraordinarily well-written.
What an inane idea. Obama is actively soliciting input from people who supported him, and you wanna pester.
I've been saying this for years. Not just the Mormon Church, however. Catholic, Baptist, you name it.
that one, now president | 11.08.08 - 12:35 pm | #
Oh, I mean all of them. But the Mormon Church was instrumental in Prop 8 being passed in CA, so I singled them out this time.
fokowii, the island of
Wel, thank you very much! It cracks me up every time.
I am not that very old but I can remember when I was a 10 year old kid in an Appalachian coal mining town, we kids would sneak into the yard of the mine boss at night and peak in his parlor window. He had a tv.
Comment by plantsman blocked.
Whatever.
I read someone at Orange Satan proposing a ballot for CA that bans Mormonism. They only make up 2% of the population, so it might pass.
cosmosis-elect | 11.08.08 - 12:39 pm | #
That sounds unconstitutional.
The cool part is that Tim Russert is still dead.
It worked out nicely for Luke.
Oh, I'm crushed that you've blocked me out; silencing me forever.
That sounds unconstitutional
So is the gay marriage ban. Let the Mormons fight it out in court.
Gonna be a Big Dumb Four Years! Even That One can't change that.
No, but WE CAN... Look, it's going to be extremely difficult for the talking heads to remain as willfully stupid in their "discourse" (if discourse is defined as the retarded ramblings of a seriously maladjusted, pre-teenesque propaganda mentality) when pitted against a seriously intelligent, articulate president and his staff -- provided that they all approach press conferences, briefings and comments like they are addressing adults -- as has been the case throughout the Obama campaign...
The difference is night and day... it was relatively easy for the yapping heads to spout nonsense and put up false arguments because with Bush and his minions providing the sound bites... everything coming out of their mouths was designed to be unintelligible gibberish...
There will be a stark difference set between the Obama folks and the yapping heads -- the difference between sense and nonsense...
That sounds unconstitutional.
Brooklyn Girl, jury dutied
What I don't understand is why Prop. 8 is not challangeable at the federal level on these grounds. Some expert on NPRsaid that that was a "very remote" possibility, when it seems like a no-brainer to me.
"Essentially Chris Matthews was opining that Obama might change his tax plan because the way he described it yesterday was different than that whole Marxist-Socialist-Commie redistributive stuff that he talked about in the campaign."
yes, but just feel lucky that you didn't see the CNN 'fact checker' on AC360, who edited the questions asked of obama(or didn't show the kwestions at all and misstated what they were) and then proceeded to draw the conclsuion that obama either flip flopped or lied during the campaign.
the whole segment was fox-like in how bad it was.
Oh, I mean all of them. But the Mormon Church was instrumental in Prop 8 being passed in CA, so I singled them out this time.
You'll get a kick out of this: the bigots that voted for Prop. 8 are shocked - SHOCKED - that the people they're scapegoating are pissed off at them.
I esp. like this little piece of shit:
Kathy in Pleasanton has a story about a kindly gay uncle whose longtime partner nursed him through a nasty bout with cancer. However, even after that, she would never support her uncle's marriage. What she really hopes, she says, is that "you will reconsider your feelings toward those of us who support Proposition 8."
I'll reconsider, bitch - you're a bigot AND a bint. How's that?
Dumbing us all down and keeping us amused and hypmotized like one does with a cat and a laser pointer.
Apprentice to Darth Holden
Never had a cat who didn't get bored with a laser pointer and find something better to do, like sleep.
Not sure what this says about TeeVee....
I thought Obama's Nancy Reagan line was funny. But calling the old witch to apologize for any hurt feelings was a very classy move.
It's hard to imagine any Republican on the face of the earth ever doing such a thing.
Dusty brought us a dead bird this AM. It's not like we don't feed him tons and tons.
wingers were good at naming shitty bills something that has nothing to do with the intent but did help propel them thru.
grab a page.
a greed tax is 100% accurate and needs to be passed but it needs to be called something else. joe the fucking plumbers will eat it up.
So is the gay marriage ban. Let the Mormons fight it out in court.
cosmosis-elect
But in CA, it was a costitutional amendment rather than a mere statute, so I guess by definition it's not unconstitutional in CA.
Dusty brought us a dead bird this AM. It's not like we don't feed him tons and tons.
Just trying to pay you back. You ate it, dincha?
Tweety grew on me, yesterday he was just trying to convince the wingnuts that Obama wasn't going to take their money and redistribute it to the middle class.
I was also under the impression that Obama tax plan would raise money by upping the taxes on the upper 5% and therefore allow the middle class tax cuts.
But yesterday I came under the impression that Obama could lower middle income taxes without raising the upper 5% tax bracket, at least temporarily until the economy stabilized.
What I don't understand is why Prop. 8 is not challangeable at the federal level on these grounds.
I think it is (though I only play a lawyer on TV), but the No on 8 people don't want to go there because, due to the overwhelmingly conservative make-up of the Supreme Court, if they lose, it's a REAL BIG loss.
Kathy in Pleasanton has a story about a kindly gay uncle whose longtime partner nursed him through a nasty bout with cancer. However, even after that, she would never support her uncle's marriage. What she really hopes, she says, is that "you will reconsider your feelings toward those of us who support Proposition 8."
I'll reconsider, bitch - you're a bigot AND a bint. How's that?
dave™© | Homepage | 11.08.08 - 12:43 pm | #
Oh, okay ... I'll reconsider.
(insert Jeopardy theme here)
Yeah, a bigot and a bint sounds about right.
Tweety grew on me
Like a fungus.
Kevin Phillips was on Bill Moyers' Journal last night and noted the missing player at Obama's press conference Friday. Lots of investor class advisers (plus new chief of staff Emanuel very up front and visible, and VP Biden), but no one from labor. Phillips said Robert Reich sometimes addresses labor issues, but he is not of labor in the way the Banker Boyz and banksters are of the controlling investor class (which does not include workers with money in IRA's and 401K's--we have zero clout; to call us part of the "investor class" is Bizarro World terminology).
Phillips did not sound very optimistic. In the past he has said it will probably require something as dire as the Great Depression to shake American voters out of their propaganda-filled world view and see that there needs to be real change. So far, this has not been bad enough is what I took from his discussion. Good segment.
He closed with "We live in an age of disappointment." Oooofffff!
Available as video on the web, with transcript coming soonish.
On PBS later Friday night was Charlie Rose with a segment telling in its way: A discussion with two historians and one political journalist waxing eloquent in their praise of OBama. Michael Beschloss, Alan Brinkley, and David Remnick were still filled with the glow of Tuesday night in Grant Park, Chicago--altho' Remnick said that in a week or so journalists would "climb out of the tank" and begin to actually analyze Obama and his actions. (Hey, first time I've heard a journalist admit to being in the tank! He seemed pleased to be there.)
Brinkley said Obama was the greatest orator to become president in the last 100 or so years. FDR was "ok" and Reagan was great but didn't write his own words. (Obama does?? And he knows this how? This is from a historian!)
Video not up yet--and site makes finding transcripts difficult, so I don't now if one will be up. It used to be great for transcripts, but that was some years ago.
Dusty brought us a dead bird this AM. It's not like we don't feed him tons and tons.
That bird's not for him - it's for YOU. He's worried YOU'RE not eating properly.
Also, it's a thank-you gift...
I'll reconsider, bitch - you're a bigot AND a bint. How's that?
dave™©
Special place in hell for people like her.
Also, it's a thank-you gift...
dave™© | Homepage | 11.08.08 - 12:46 pm | #
Yeah. It's the way they show love.
Dave with the trademark and copy right, I want you to stop right now saying simels didn't go to Paris.
And he is never going to allow you to give him another blow job. So there!
Yeah, a bigot and a bint sounds about right.
She turned up later in the "comments" section trying to defend herself.
Didn't work.
Here's my most favorite quote from that article:
"They voted for hate, and that's what we are going to give them," said Gary Young, a San Francisco resident.
Bring it, bigots. Bring. It.
My late kitty Sammy Jean would jump up on my bed every night and drop her fake mouse toy on my pillow.
You'll get a kick out of this: the bigots that voted for Prop. 8 are shocked - SHOCKED - that the people they're scapegoating are pissed off at them.
I'M not among the people they've scapegoated and I'M pissed off at them.
Correction [Kathryn Jean Lopez]
It was Jon Decker from Reuters who had the run-in with the presidential dog, not Fox's Trace Gallagher. Clearly I'm not on the canine beat, which may mean I should skip Obama press conferences for the next month — if they're all going to have puppy updates.
I'm not surprised that you would hate cute little puppies.
Comment by plantsman blocked.
Whatever.
Democratic Responsibility
Oh, wow!
A troll killfiling one of US.
A landmark restaurant here closed suddenly this week. My bil works with restaurants. I think he's going to have a rough year.
which one?
and Gromit lol
When is Al From going to die from the obligatory Fat Guy Heart Attack?
I hope it is soon.
Hey, kids - it's 1977 on the 10@10 marathon!
I'm not surprised that you would hate cute little puppies.
Lime Rickey
Me, either.
K-Lo is a very sad individual.
Lime Rickey --- her dislike of puppies is most likely due to baby animals of all kinds not liking her... babies are intuitive that way, they know who's naughty and who's nice...
I see on Wikipedia that the Federal Defense of Marriage Act has never been reviewed by the SCOTUS. I suppose that challenges to the federal constitutionality of gay marriage bans would start there.
I'M not among the people they've scapegoated and I'M pissed off at them.
Well, I'm not either, directly at least.
They sure ruined my Wednesday post-election euphoria, though.
well okay then Dusty, thanks for the breakfast
Kathy in Pleasanton is probably either a fundie with 12 kids or someone never married who was desperate to be married and blames gays for "taking away" all the eligible men.
Encouraging people to steer Obama in the right direction is trolling?
Whatever.
A landmark restaurant here closed suddenly this week. My bil works with restaurants. I think he's going to have a rough year.
Restaurants open and close here in the Bay Area so fast you can barely keep track...
they know who's naughty and who's nice...
sukabi
Just like Santa. She probably hates him too.
I hear that Mormon churches are made of flammable material too.
They sure ruined my Wednesday post-election euphoria, though.
dave™©
Mine, too.
I suppose that challenges to the federal constitutionality of gay marriage bans would start there.
You'd have to dig around to find the specifics, but I think the strategy in California, at least, is not to directly challenge the validity of "gay marriage," but the issues that lead up to it - separate but equal status for domestic partners, for example...
Comment by Democratic Responsibility blocked.
Whatever.
It's only a matter of time until the state recognizes gay marriage, not just here but in every state. The h8ters days are numbered and they know it. This shit is just an asshole rearguard action on their part, and if anything will probably hasten their decline.
I never did find Pleasanton to be that Pleasant. A line of mine in the 80's when I had to go out there occasionally.
Lime Rickey --- her dislike of puppies is most likely due to baby animals of all kinds not liking her... babies are intuitive that way, they know who's naughty and who's nice...
sukabi
I don't trust anyone who doesn't like animals.
Or who animals don't like.
ErinPDX
Cafe Zenon
A troll killfiling one of US.
Terry C - Got My Country Back!
I mean really. Why don't they just killfile every non-troll commenter here? Boom..instant wingnut comment thread.
If I had killfile I would use it on a few of US, but I don't, so I have to use the scroll wheel.
Cafe Zenon
cosmosis-elect
bummer
I hear that Mormon churches are made of flammable material too.
How uncivil!
About a month ago, a bunch of "No on 8" people turned up one Sunday in front of the Mormon temple in the Oakland hills to protest. The Mormons were shocked - SHOCKED - to learn that funding bigotry had consequences. Apparently, the scapegoats were just supposed to lay down and take it.
Aravosis, I believe, is working on a big fat boycott of Utah. I'd love to see Redford cancel Sundance.
Thanks, Gromit!
And Tweety's running for office. Trying to outdo his brother, who lost the lieutenant governor's race last time out.
About a month ago, a bunch of "No on 8" people turned up one Sunday in front of the Mormon temple in the Oakland hills to protest. The Mormons were shocked - SHOCKED - to learn that funding bigotry had consequences. Apparently, the scapegoats were just supposed to lay down and take it.
They need to get Stonewalled.
Over at Talk Left, Big Tent Democrat is dicussing the possible nomination of John Kerry as Secty. of State. This excerpt of a discussion about Kerry's replacement as chair of the Foreign Relations Committee is, well, typical MCM, complete with MCM Message of the Post-Election to Obama:
Feldman: What I saw the other day is the domino effect of Kerry as Secretary of State might put the Democratic caucus in a position where Senator Feingold would be the next up to chair the Senate Foreign Relations Committee and of course that poses a whole series of problems...(Via Digby, not sure whose emphasis)
Mitchell: Why does it pose a series of problems?
Feldman: Well, because of Senator Feingold's opposition to the war... I think that would immediately then raise some issues for the caucus and for leader Reid . . .
Mitchell: But the president [elect] of the United States is opposed to the war...
Feldman: This is true, but I think they'll want in foreign relations is maybe a more even handed person. Ben (sic) Nelson's name has been floated there as a potential consensus pick...
That radical Russ Feingold MUST BE STOPPED! The MCM is sending lots of messages to Obama, and the main one is that he dasn't be a liberal.
NPR's grand old commenter, Daniel Shore, this morning told NPR listeners that this is a centrist nation and that's where the Dems must govern from if they want to succeed. The MCM has decided!
Oh, you libs and progressives? Don't bother coming out from under the bus, get it?
They need to get Stonewalled.
They're going to be.
Certainly if ever again a Mormon shows up at my door to proseletyze, he will get a scalding earful of invective from me rather than just a polite dismissal.
Up until now, I think most people tolerated the Mormons...you know, they're a bit odd, but harmless, and at least they have nice families.
Now, I think they've gone and pissed a whole LOT of people off. They've really stepped in it, big time.
A good start would be to strip the Mormon Church of its tax-exempt status.
Talk Left - defeatists.
A good start would be to strip the Mormon Church of its tax-exempt status
That's a ballot I could support!
Gawd, Armando's a dick.
"Up until now, I think most people tolerated the Mormons...you know, they're a bit odd, but harmless, and at least they have nice families."
They may have truly fucked any chance Romney had of appearing to be sensible and able to separate his beliefs from running the country. I hope they are happy.
centrist nation
Not center-right, as we were previously told?
A good start would be to strip the Mormon Church of its tax-exempt status.
Buzz Bomb
ANY denomination that preaches hate, bigotry and discrimination should be stripped of its tax-exempt status.
http://www.mormonsstoleourrights.com/
I really hope the Sundance Film Festival gets moved. Hit Utah where it hurts.
because of Senator Feingold's opposition to the war...
I don't really think anyone wants to start f*cking with Feingold, do they?
What a way to get us lefties fired up.
Certainly if ever again a Mormon shows up at my door to proseletyze, he will get a scalding earful of invective from me rather than just a polite dismissal.
I've always been fairly nice to Mormons. Maybe because I grew up in the Valley and they used to come to the door after riding their bikes all day in 100+ degree heat.
Of course, I've also got a pretty good "thanks for stopping by, here's your hat, what's your hurry?" rap perfected by now...
Certainly if ever again a Mormon shows up at my door to proseletyze, he will get a scalding earful of invective from me rather than just a polite dismissal.
blerb
During the campaign, when Mitt was a serious contender, two Mormon missionaries cornered me while I was working in the front yard. I grilled them on the Iraq War-- what the fuck you doing in Canada when your dude wants Americans in Iraq? I'd see them in the hood for a couple of months after that, but they stayed clear of me.
Now, I think they've gone and pissed a whole LOT of people off. They've really stepped in it, big time.
A good start would be to strip the Mormon Church of its tax-exempt status.
Buzz Bomb
there's an latimes article that has some quotes and they are clearly nervous about the opposition they've unleashed. there are all these calls for 'tolerance and understanding' of different viewpoints in the midst of a very controversial issue.
there's a petition up re rescinding their exempt status.
Oh, you libs and progressives? Don't bother coming out from under the bus, get it?
jawbone`
The media has been centrist for some time long before this election
More fun from Atlas Juggs' commenters:
"What would happen if he wasn't born in Hawaii and wasn't eligible? What would the DNC do? Could they replace him with Hillary? Would we have to have another election? Dear Lord, Would Joe Biden be POTUS? Would it go to McCain?
I feel like the it may be revealed that his father is Malcolm X. That is why he wanted to keep it secret. He knew if people found out before the election, he would lose votes for two reasons. 1-His father is MALCOLM X! 2- People might be mad he put a false one on the interenet and lied. Of course, now he can spin it and people would feel sorry for him."
Well, it's time to *gasp* winterize the house (plastic on the windows, etc.).
Later.
Certainly if ever again a Mormon shows up at my door to proseletyze, he will get a scalding earful of invective from me rather than just a polite dismissal.
II dated a Mormon back in the 80s.
Beautiful girl, but I never got to first base.
Oddly, she told me that she moved to NYC to be an actress, and that she was the only virgin at the Neighborhood Playhouse.
Ever.
I'd see them in the hood for a couple of months after that, but they stayed clear of me.
Moe Szyslak
Back in the Good Old Days, they'd literally have jumped you in the night and cut your throat.
"Aravosis, I believe, is working on a big fat boycott of Utah. I'd love to see Redford cancel Sundance."
amen.
It would be the coolest thing EVER if Obama's dad was Malcolm X.
Ye gods, before the press conference, Matthews was telling us that he'd taken economics in college and that there were two things that Obama could do. (Not being an economist, I can't tell you what they were.) But it was enormously simplistic and, to be blunt, annoying. I think some of his fellow commenters thought he was a fool too.
Bob Novak's Tumor has suggested Newt Gingrich in 2012.
Inflate, Deflate, Inflate, Deflate, Inflate Deflate!!!
problem files/pundits/matthews/economics
Back in the Good Old Days, they'd literally have jumped you in the night and cut your throat.
Yeah, they've backed off quite a bit since the 60s and 70s.
They came around my parents' house with a movie projector. Trying to elbow their way in and make you sit through a fucking movie!
Novak really should retire so we can enjoy the time he has left.
Dusty brought us a dead bird this AM. It's not like we don't feed him tons and tons.
ErinPDX | Homepage | 11.08.08 - 12:43 pm
He's trying to get it to stop raining and thought it was some sort of sacrifice?
Speaking of Mormons, I just remembered
something.
Steve Young, the former QB for the 49ers, is a direct descendant of Brigham Young.
He supported Obama.
""Aravosis, I believe, is working on a big fat boycott of Utah. I'd love to see Redford cancel Sundance.""
Divert some of that money for the border fence.
Ye gods, before the press conference, Matthews was telling us that he'd taken economics in college and that there were two things that Obama could do.
Hey, I took economics in college, too!
IIRC, it was a required course...
Also, it's a thank-you gift...
That was a GIFT. A GIFT for the FAMILY!
/Brian Griffin
Steve Young was against Prop. 8.
I remember when we lived in Sandy, UT. I;d mow the lawn on Sunday in my bathing suit, pretend to smoke cigs (I don't) and drink beer.
When they came to invite us to the Ward picnic, I asked if I could bring a keg.
They never came back again...
Back in the Good Old Days, they'd literally have jumped you in the night and cut your throat.
blerb
Nah - boring people to death is their style.
Mormons - the Scientologists of the 19th Century.
Wife and I are having an argument.
I keep saying President Obama and she keeps correcting me with "President elect Obama".
I am sticking to my guns on this one.
Novak really should retire so we can enjoy the time he has left.
plantsman
Ouch. But heh anyway.
I can see an Economics textbook from my chair.
Notice that Barry Hussein's first "gaffe" is a joke about an old woman, it's always about women with him. I guess he's pissed that he can't kill off Nancy Reagan like he did Toots?
Steve Young was against Prop. 8.
plantsman
Yes, he was. Quite vocal about his opposition to it.
Steve Young, the former QB for the 49ers, is a direct descendant of Brigham Young.
He supported Obama.
Not sure about Obama, but here's a story on how the Young family opposed Prop. 8.
Patty Puma | 11.08.08 - 1:09 pm
Fuck off, bitch.
I can see my econ degree from my chair. It's covering up a stain on the wall, that's about as much good as it has ever done!
Oh, wow. Chris Matthews took the plunge into the dismal science and opted in for macro econ as well as micro!
I'm impressed!
That was a GIFT. A GIFT for the FAMILY!
Ye gods, before the press conference, Matthews was telling us that he'd taken economics in college and that there were two things that Obama could do.
1. Fix teh economy
2. Profit!
Hell, I took two years of Marxist econ in college. I can't remember much of it-- I can't remember what I had for breakfast this morning--- but I probably took something away from it.
Patty's right, there's never anything funny about women that people might comment on.
Um, Steve Young is like gay and stuff.
"opted in for macro econ as well as micro!"
He knows the difference? Wow.
Patty Puma | 11.08.08 - 1:09 pm
I smell Chilifarts...
Steve Young was against Prop. 8.
plantsman
Yes, he was. Quite vocal about his opposition to it.
Terry C - Got My Country Back!
Good for him. It's great that a prominent Mormon would oppose that publicly.
I hope Matthews runs for the PA senate seat in 2010. It'll get him off tv. He'd run as a repub, wouldn't he?
Missed one
"Ye gods, before the press conference, Matthews was telling us that he'd taken economics in college and that there were two things that Obama could do.
1. Fix teh economy
2. Profit!"
3. Fix Haloscan
sheets
Not sure about Obama, but here's a story on how the Young family opposed Prop. 8.
dave™©
Did you see the one commenter "MeettheKellys"?
What a sanctimonious piece of garbage.
I hope Matthews runs for the PA senate seat in 2010. It'll get him off tv. He'd run as a repub, wouldn't he?
His brother (who we know from Chris' testimony, is very smart) is a Rethug.
Chris worked for Tip O'Neill...I imagine he'd be a center-right Dem at best.
I agree with Obama.
That seance shit is a joke.
If people who die have "gone to a better place", why would they be hanging around here?
Snark sheets
"we dropped Chris on his head for good luck"-Mr. and Mrs. Matthews
patty pumpa
suck it
1. Fix teh economy
2. Profit!
Virginia, no, I'm working!
No, no, no... you forgot a step!
1. Fix the economy
2.
3. Profit!
The Pryor kid just threw a 15 yard touchdown. OSU is up 24 to 7.
I feel like the it may be revealed that his father is Malcolm X. That is why he wanted to keep it secret. He knew if people found out before the election, he would lose votes for two reasons. 1-His father is MALCOLM X! 2- People might be mad he put a false one on the interenet and lied. Of course, now he can spin it and people would feel sorry for him."
Surveys show that about 20% of the population of the U.S. shows signs of mental illness at one time or another. Roughly 20% of the population supports right-wing authoritarian assholes. Coincidence?
We report, you decide.
Talk Left - defeatists.
Gawd, Armando's a dick.
Wow. Interesting reaction to someone pointing out the MCM thinks Russ Feingold must be "controlled." I guess antiwar Dems should go under the bus, as well?
It is a big bus....
Uh, Sen. Obama is not President Obama until he's sworn in. Really.
Even That One can't change that.
Probably. But we'll have the consolation at least that teh stupid begins outside the White House, rather than originating from the Oval Office...
The media has been centrist for some time long before this election
Bedbug | 11.08.08 - 1:03 pm | #
Or, center right. Actually, corporatist to my thinking. Anything that will keep them in power.
What they're trying to do now is box Obama into being centrist to center-right.
They're trying to make sure he doesn't listen to libs and actual progressives. Or at least doesn't act on what they tell him or want to achieve.
can't we get rid of Chris Matthews by stapling him and Lieberman to a chicken and sending them into traffic with pockets filled with milk bottles?
okay okay I know, ... too dangerous and unrealistically cruel to the chicken it's true but ... can this be modified?
I wonder
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