I'MMA LET YOU FINISH
Boo!
Too!
Was it a Xian baby?
Dang
Three or five!
Few!
Bastigs!
It's all the fault of the teachers' unions, you know...
Why does Ann Coulter have an adam's apple? Can't we get some investigative journalists on this, please?
What
Are They Hiding?
The Iraq Study Group's propensity to eat live babies.
If you haven't heard yet, BIG NEWS from the world of INDIANA JONES IV....
She's baaaaaaack!
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Ate your dingo, I thought.
The Iraq Study Group ate my balls.
Who needs the Iraq Study Group when you have:
"The Official Republican Iraq Talking Points."
The Iraq Study Group: yet another total waste of taxpayer dollars, a study that the lying fuckwit ignored before it was even written.
Here's hoping one of Cheney's doctors misses lunch and bakes a potato!
It's all the fault of the teachers' unions, you know...
dave™© | Homepage | 07.28.07 - 2:50 pm | #
lazy s.o.b.s
We must invade Iraq and stop this dictator from destroying his peoples' future.
aaaah! fresh thread
Actually, I kind of like Matthew's suggestion. Sounds like a winner to me.
The Iraq Study Group: yet another total waste of taxpayer dollars, a study that the lying fuckwit ignored before it was even written.
I think two of them served on active duty, and one of the two never got a promotion.
DWD is unserious.
Baby veal!
(ur, tautology - sorry.)
From below:
actually, i meant "everyone sucks but me" - as a general attitude. not quite entirely unlike snark.
dirk gently
I knew that, I was just reinforcing the point so that it didn't disappear into snark.
Too important.
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I was lucky enough to go to public school in a very wealthy district, Northern Virginia, and I now live in another such place, Virginia Beach. They just opened a new $75 million dollar public high school here. I'd wager these children aren't thinking how good a head start they have been provided, any more than I did 30 years ago.
DWD is unserious.
NTodd, More Awesomer
I may have to killfile him then.
What Malaki ought to do is start a nuclear weapons program to get some weapons that the DC fucktards will pay attention to.
I was lucky enough to go to public school in a very wealthy district, Northern Virginia, and I now live in another such place, Virginia Beach.
cobb county is one of the richest in the atlanta area, and walton high is the best school in ga (statistically).
and it sucks.
just sayin.
Anybody got any lasagne noodles they can spare? Or do I have to go back out to the store?
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Afternoon, rational people.
It's all the fault of the teachers' unions, you know...
dave™©
All unions are bad, don't cha know?
Coddle workers, stops them from being as productive as management wants them to be.
They just opened a new $75 million dollar public high school here.
/spit take
For one school?
Did it have to go to a local referendum?
Everybody go to Peace Camp!
NTodd, More Awesomer | Homepage | 07.28.07 - 2:58 pm | #
can i have the top bunk?
I have some virtual lasagne noodles, now if only I could cut and pasta.
They just opened a new $75 million dollar public high school here. I'd wager these children aren't thinking how good a head start they have been provided, any more than I did 30 years ago.
Well, one thing's for sure. The mistress of the owner of the construction company has all the blow she can use now.
Chimpy: "We gave them democracy and now they think they own the place."
All unions are bad, don't cha know?
esp. civil unions.
teh gays suck.
Last time I checked, management were employees too.
- The Owners
can i have the top bunk?
I hear tell NTodd is a bottom bunk type of guy.
Did it have to go to a local referendum?
Zap Rowsdower, Homebody
The Virginia Beach public school system has a 1 billion dollar annual budget. And this pales in comparison to Fairfax County in Northern Virginia.
Chimpy: "We gave them democracy and now they think they own the place."
Lime Rickey
Butbutbut...purple fingers!!
What could the Iraqis possibly know about ensuring the security that we want them to take charge of?
Wait, something wrong there . . .
MP the same for me. I had no idea that I went to a very privileged school. I got a really great education.
It was amazing to me that when I was teaching theater the kids would come to me for help with their English assignments. Then I found out that the English teachers there had no idea that
the Canterbury Tales are a Frame tale, and that they assigned essays with the topic "given what you know of his behavior would Beowulf have gone to heaven"? Pretty scary.
Last time I checked, management were employees too.
- The Owners
My bad - I should have said that unions prevent employees from being as productive as OWNERSHIP wants them to be.
So much more was done in the good old days when there were 12 hour days and 6 day weeks.
Chimpy: "We gave them democracy and now they think they own the place."
Lime Rickey
Lucky we didn't hand over sovereignty yet.
Don't killfile me - I am just pissed at two random things this week:
1. College education costs have gone up 40% in Michigan since 2000
2. The Detroit Tigers are pimping for a charter school in Detroit. (that one just pisses me off royally. They can make a difference in Public Education too if they want.)
When someone starts denigrating teachers I just go ballistic: damn! The job is hard enough to do without people carping at our heels about our laziness and the fact that we are overpaid in spite of not receiving a raise in pay since 1999. (Not even a cost of living)
Just pisses me off.
Actually, I kind of like Matthew's suggestion. Sounds like a winner to me.
DWD - White Haired Guy
That would be true only if the US were seriously looking for a reason to leave.
Instead, however, this administration is constantly looking for reasons to stay.
The Virginia Beach public school system has a 1 billion dollar annual budget.
Would that the state education department could collect all of the money and then distribute it equally to the school districts.
"given what you know of his behavior would Beowulf have gone to heaven"?
Hmmm, sounds like the English teachers matriculated at Libery U.
My bad - I should have said that unions prevent employees from being as productive as OWNERSHIP wants them to be.
no, you were right the first time.
management is a mindset.
The Detroit Tigers are pimping for a charter school in Detroit.
They still have teams in Detroit?
cobb county is one of the richest in the atlanta area, and walton high is the best school in ga (statistically).
and it sucks.
Two kinds of public schools:
1. war zones, where teachers can only try to keep the students from killing or impregnating each other prematurely.
2. glorified SAT preps with football teams.
This is what people want. They may say that education is important and that children are our future, but what they want and get is a largely empty ritual and social promotion that gets the kids off to college and out of their parents' lifestyle.
If I took over education in America tomorrow, I would rule it with an iron fist. I would track mercilessly, I would divide the capable students from the slavering animals that hold them back, I would let faculties take back power from administrators, I would insist that US students finally come up to the standards of the third world, and I would require that all testing be done in person by human beings, not scantrons.
And I would be assassinated within four months.
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FUCK YOU HALOSCAN to boot
I have had purple fingers on my mind all day.
good post link...WTF are we waiting for that September may bring?
I have had purple fingers on my mind all day.
good post link...WTF are we waiting for that September may bring?
Would that the state education department could collect all of the money and then distribute it equally to the school districts.
Snow, Liberal | 07.28.07 - 3:07 pm | #
when i lived in n.y. (and i suppose it hasn't changed) the state matched whatever the county collected in school tax.
think about that for a few minutes. not too long though, your brain might explode.
A Department of Peace would have fixed this.
The Detroit Tigers are pimping for a charter school in Detroit.
They still have teams in Detroit?
They still have a "Detroit"?
sheesh, war with haloscan is spinning my dervish
bbl good people
Hmmm, sounds like the English teachers matriculated at Libery U.
Apprentice to Darth Holden | 07.28.07 - 3:07 pm | #
I found a district down on the Gulf coast that is now offering bible classes . The syllabus doesn't look very "comparative lit" to me.
my daughter graduated at the top of her class. she never got a B in anything.
wait, neither did i... well, you know, in a different way.
no, you were right the first time.
Yes, you right the first time. That is the mindset of management. But they never remember that they too are employees, and often not very productive.
It is also directed to the management of our country, who are employees of the country and not owners of the country.
good post link...WTF are we waiting for that September may bring?
November.
And after that, April.
"given what you know of his behavior would Beowulf have gone to heaven"?
Did Dick Cheney as this question?
DWD - White Haired Guy:
I blame the parents who don't back the teachers up.
I blame the powers that be that don't give the school systems the financial means to operate properly.
And I blame kids who don't want to learn and get off on trying to prevent schoolmates from learning.
They still have a "Detroit"?
It's being plowed over by OCP...
If I took over education in America tomorrow, I would rule it with an iron fist. I would track mercilessly, I would divide the capable students from the slavering animals that hold them back, I would let faculties take back power from administrators, I would insist that US students finally come up to the standards of the third world, and I would require that all testing be done in person by human beings, not scantrons.
And I would be assassinated within four months.
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Grand Moff Texan
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perhaps
but I would visit your grave a la Elvis
WTF are we waiting for that September may bring?
Back to school sales?
If I took over education in America tomorrow, I would rule it with an iron fist. I would track mercilessly, I would divide the capable students from the slavering animals that hold them back, I would let faculties take back power from administrators, I would insist that US students finally come up to the standards of the third world, and I would require that all testing be done in person by human beings, not scantrons.
And I would be assassinated within four months.
It would be a popular assassination, too.
Which is very sad.
Frankly, I'm at the point where I'm pretty much convinced that the majority of Americans are utterly unworthy of the freedoms so many died to preserve in our past.
These assholes deserve to be enserfed.
Fuck them.
It's being plowed over by OCP...
NTodd, More Awesomer | Homepage | 07.28.07 - 3:11 pm | #
I want me a 3000SUX.
They still have a "Detroit"?
Zap Rowsdower, Homebody
I wanted to say that, but decided against it.
I owe you a Coke.
Common scene in a school classroom:
Teacher: pay attention, you're going to need to know this.
Student: if you're so smart, why are you a teacher?
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You know,
I thought that I'd never have to see B.C. after Johnny Hart died.
But someone keeps drawing them. And they're still offensive.
Is there a Christian Cartoonists Guild, or something?
November.
And after that, April.
smalfish,
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yup
caveat
they will say what suits them
the empty suits hide demons of purple
WTF are we waiting for that September may bring?
I don't know, so wake me up when September ends.
Johnny Hart, like Christ, lives on.
If I took over education in America tomorrow, I would rule it with an iron fist. I would track mercilessly, I would divide the capable students from the slavering animals that hold them back
I for one would be rather uncomfortable would someone in charge of education who views a sector of students as nothing more than "slavering animals."
but what they want and get is a largely empty ritual and social promotion that gets the kids off to college and out of their parents' lifestyle.
i know a fella was a very big shot director and actor in bulgaria. studied the stanislovsky method. amazing guy. the thing is, under the communist system, only a certain number of students were accepted each year in each of the highly desirable fields. except of course the large number who got in from political favors or bribes, it was kind of a cool system - you had to 1) really WANT it and 2) actually be GOOD at it by a certain age. otherwise, you moved to something else.
i know, i know; but in a perfect world ...
"given what you know of his behavior would Beowulf have gone to heaven"?
Maybe Valhalla.
These assholes deserve to be enserfed.
Fuck them.
That's frustration talking.
Back to school sales?
NTodd, More Awesomer | Homepage | 07.28.07 - 3:11 pm | #
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Those start this week. Xmas sales start in September. Your must report back to consumer training h.q. for embedded chip adjustment.
dirk, as a former teacher and a paralegal involved in one of the education equity cases where basically NYC students sued the State because they were not getting their fair share of the State tax dollar, I assure you it is quite a bit more complicated. Education in NYS is funded through local property taxes and the State kicks in, but not dollar for dollar. And some districts need extra $ for ESL and some for state of the art swimming pools/ Three guess who gets what and the first two don't count.
Missed the earlier discussions. Kids are my witness that I predicted the iraq invasion fall 2000..."we're in deep shit if bush gets in there guys."
Your must report back to consumer training h.q. for embedded chip adjustment.
No way, man. I'm pulling myself out of the Matrix.
Actually, I kind of like Matthew's suggestion. Sounds like a winner to me.
well, maybe except for the "shaking hands" part. I can't think of anyone in Iraq I would blame for not wanting to shake hands with us.
Even though we made the mess, we can't fix what's wrong in Irsq. We have a national mentality of conquest; by and large, Americans believe that they are ethically superior to the rest of the world, that our system is the best possible system, and that we are intrinsically more precious than all those people out there in the rest of the world. We're no good at peacekeeping, which is precisely what this mission calls for. There's no well-defined enemy; this is not a war. For our government and military leadership to continue to pretend that it is is a prescription for failure.
We should go to the UN, admit that we screwed up, and ask for help.
I think Bush's best move would be to say that he'd had a vision in which God told him to pull out of Iraq.
BC was so fucking good in the early days.
until BC found JC, that is.
These assholes deserve to be enserfed.
Fuck them.
Apprentice
Courage.
Or at least look after your own interests. In our political system, all that is required is a critical mass of idiots for an elite to rip us all off.
They don't even have to be a majority.
Why should you support education, even if it's a losing battle? Because it's a control-rod in the reactor. Failing that, it gets worse.
Ignorance, fear, superstition, bigotry, these are the things exploited by an aristocratic insurgency to undermind our Republic. This is why the right attacks education at every turn, to preserve their herd. This is why I say that freepers aren't a fifth column, even though they hate our American values.
They're nothing but the hole our betters stick it in when they want to fuck us all.
Don't quit.
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"I would track mercilessly, I would divide the capable students from the slavering animals that hold them back"
"Slavering animals" is a bit harsh, but why should people who don't want to learn be allowed to hold back the ones who do?
I know that it will be a highly unpopular observation but at least here in TX vast quantities of $ go into ESL education as well as the athletic budgets of school districts.
under the communist system, only a certain number of students were accepted each year in each of the highly desirable fields. except of course the large number who got in from political favors or bribes, it was kind of a cool system - you had to 1) really WANT it and 2) actually be GOOD at it by a certain age. otherwise, you moved to something else.
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possibly without the bribe factor this is exactly how education goes down in merry old England
WTF are we waiting for that September may bring?
It's not available in theaters near you until November, they're saying now.
I think Bush's best move would be to say that he'd had a vision in which God told him to pull out of Iraq.
But, then he'd have to get rid of Sadaam's pistol; and he ain't gonna do that.
"That motherfucker tried to kill my Dad!"
I assure you it is quite a bit more complicated. Education in NYS is funded through local property taxes and the State kicks in, but not dollar for dollar.
oh, i know. but there is a 3,000 char limit.
and it isn't even county level - i lived in monroe county (rochester), and pittsford (wealthiest suburb w/ most private schools) got more state funding than henrietta (blue collar w/ most strip malls)
I for one would be rather uncomfortable would someone in charge of education who views a sector of students as nothing more than "slavering animals."rorschach, infogit | Homepage | 07.28.07 - 3:13 pm | #
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reference to kids in school with guns, knives, beating the shit out of other students ...
We should go to the UN, admit that we screwed up, and ask for help.
Too late for US to ask for help. We need to remove ourselves from the equation and let the Iraqis determine what help they require from the rest of the world. And then send us a bill.
and as long as i'm coming clean on hyperbole, i should mention that mrs g informs me the cobb county lawn regulation is 12", not 5".
"Slavering animals" is a bit harsh, but why should people who don't want to learn be allowed to hold back the ones who do?
Objection; calls for speculation!
Why should you support education, even if it's a losing battle? Because it's a control-rod in the reactor. Failing that, it gets worse.
GMT
good one
only a certain number of students were accepted each year in each of the highly desirable fields. except of course the large number who got in from political favors or bribes.
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You went to Harvard too ?
I for one would be rather uncomfortable would someone in charge of education who views a sector of students as nothing more than "slavering animals."
rorschach
Rorschach, you know me. But you didn't go to my school. Regardless of how they got that way, that's what they were.
IMHO, human beings are made, not born. We are social animals and without socialization, we are feral. I grew up with feral "peers." They were "white," too.
Their every effort was directed at self-destruction and ensuring that they took everyone else down with them. They had no place in the same school with actual students.
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It's not available in theaters near you until November, they're saying now.
I'm just going to BitTorrent it, or wait for the DVD.
"Slavering animals" is a bit harsh, but why should people who don't want to learn be allowed to hold back the ones who do?
Terry C - Wingnuts R WATBs | 07.28.07 - 3:17 pm | #
someone has to teach them how to want to learn.
in the long run, it will be worth the trouble.
We should go to the UN, admit that we screwed up, and ask for help.
This was the V for Virginia Plan if Kerry won in 2004. Didn't work out.
You went to Harvard too ?
Doug Watts, lindane free. |
me?
no.
penfield high.
"That motherfucker tried to kill my Dad!"
Zap Rowsdower, Homebody
The Crawford Blood Oath.
"Slavering animals" is a bit harsh, but why should people who don't want to learn be allowed to hold back the ones who do?
Terry C -
with kids as criminals so often - bring back the military school option
Charter schools are selective and by that are eating away the public dollars afforded to lower income schooling.
Tracking is seen as "evil" but we have people who publicly admit that they believe that the gifted kids should be in the classrooms functioning as teacher's assistants - UNREAL -the decline of gifted programs and the infiltration of emotionally berift kids into the mainstream is killing education altogether.
We have a district in financial crisis and they decide to can the para-professionals because the 100K +/per annum admin. layer have crisis=proof contracts.
Too late for US to ask for help. We need to remove ourselves from the equation and let the Iraqis determine what help they require from the rest of the world. And then send us a bill.
I look forward to the day when a future president stands to some world body and apologizes for polarizing and destroying large swaths of this planet.
Shit, it doesn't even have to be a president. I'll do it. We owe the citizens of this world (and our offspring) big time.
Anybody got any lasagne noodles they can spare? Or do I have to go back out to the store?
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GWPDA, yclept SansDent | Homepage | 07.28.07 - 3:03 pm |
If you go back out, can you swing by and pick me up? My regular grocery ride isn't able to take me shopping this weekend (only telling me a couple of hours ago) and now I have to figure out alternative transport to to shopping.
Sometimes, I hate not having a car or a license.
Heh, I wrote
"undermind our Republic"
while talking about education. Inadvertent, but apropos.
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Too late for US to ask for help. We need to remove ourselves from the equation and let the Iraqis determine what help they require from the rest of the world. And then send us a bill.
NTodd, More Awesomer | Homepage | 07.28.07 - 3:19 pm | #
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Not widdout teh oil and milliterry bases, reezinz we went there in furst place.
all children are gifted.
they just have different gifts.
"Undermind our Republic"
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Tom Delay's next book.
They had no place in the same school with actual students.
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Grand Moff Texan
You have to give them a chance to turn around. Quite a few do. I grew up on the lower east side of Manhattan, before it was the East Village, and it was tough. But quite a few of my peers managed a quite good public education after a rocky start.
damned hippies dirtied the sheets.
someone has to teach them how to want to learn
Actually, I anticipate using an extremely harsh tracking regime as a wrecking ball against ingrained anti-intellectualism in order to invert the present system of rewards that only promote socially advatageous ignorance (or at least its appearance).
I know it sounds like Scrooge, but let a generation see their hooting and posturing lead to penury and they'll value their children's education.
We only have to burn off one generation ...
OK, I'll stop.
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Sometimes, I hate not having a car or a license.
Me too, Buckeye.
I promised Zapette that I'd try and get my license back by the end of this year.
It's been almost seven years since my DUI, but it'll still cost me something like $700.
trolls get weekends off ...
and a health plan ...
Men have two choices in life.
Big brain, little cock.
Little brain. big cock.
bush will have the troops remain in Iraq at all cost.
Haven't all his previous delusional actions reflected this line of thinking?
Has he ever given a rat's ass about the opinions of anyone but his inner circle of neo-lunatics?
We owe the citizens of this world (and our offspring) big time.
Heh. Because ever man and country is an island unto themselves; and we're the only bad apples in this barrel of monkeys.
they just have different gifts.
dirk gently
Indeed. Some are quite gifted at being droogs.
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the sneaky thing here is that school districts get more $$ for kids who are in G&T programs and well as SPED. It does cost more to actually have those programs, but imagine the incentive to inflate those numbers of kids in those programs.
thanks, Erin.
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under the communist system, only a certain number of students were accepted each year in each of the highly desirable fields.
that's exactly how it works at the University of Washington. it takes an act of the state legislature to raise enrollment quotas.
Because ever man and country is an island unto themselves; and we're the only bad apples in this barrel of monkeys.
Yeah. That's exactly what I said/implied.
We (OUR government) do owe this earth big time. There's no skirting it.
Teacher: pay attention, you're going to need to know this.
Student: if you're so smart, why are you a teacher?
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Grand Moff Texan | 07.28.07 - 3:12 pm | #
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I heard that in university classes! The administration ended up changing grades themselves - I refused to sign off. It was possible to generate a certain amount of peer pressure by explaining to the class that the whiners were devaluing their grades.
There is a fundamental in US organizations that devalues workers of any sort.
Grand Moff Texan | 07.28.07 - 3:25 pm | #
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Or you could just ban tee vee.
Would have same effect.
Sometimes, I hate not having a car or a license.
I'm anti-American, because I think the caring and feeding of an automobile is a tremendous pain in the ass.
I heard that in university classes!
[hides face in despair]
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all children are gifted.
they just have different gifts.
dirk gently, sociopathetic
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of course, and we are made from our homes envirnment firstover.
so when the schools take over, NCLB tends to rejoice in the western canon of the three R's and not celebrate the other "sides".
everyone can be brought up - lifted up - but the ones that are siphened off into "special needs" do need the extreme treatment of the best teachers not the dregs usually assigned them.
difficult for me to think about this topic without remembering the quote from Samuel Huntington that appears on Salam Pax's site:
"the West won the world not by the superiority of its ideas or values or religion but rather by its superiority in applying organized violence. Westerners often forget this fact, non-Westerners never do."
how do you teach a kid who sees no value in education? I had students who were convinced that they were going to be NBA stars and make millions. I had others whose only goal in life was to be a pimp.
They told me these things in class!
We only have to burn off one generation ...
And then we'd have a Great Leap Forward!
They told me these things in class!
therealhellkitty
1. My husband will take care of me.
2. If I'm starving, I'll commit a crime. They'll feed me in jail.
3. I'm going to join the military.
Yep, heard 'em all. They're all just excuses for not working right now.
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I heard that in university classes!
[hides face in despair]
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Grand Moff Texan | 07.28.07 - 3:30 pm | #
A grand moment came when some insufferable young prig explained: "I pay you to teach me, so teach me" and I had the rare presence of mind to say "Todays lesson is to not leave your fingers in the frame when closing the door of my office behind you."
And then we'd have a Great Leap Forward!
rorschach
Where's your quota of pig iron ... erm, I mean "steel," comrade?!?
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i'll pull green chain
Yep, heard 'em all. They're all just excuses for not working right now.
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Grand Moff Texan | 07.28.07 - 3:32 pm | #
unfortunately I am talking about 6-7 & 8th graders.
Where's your quota of pig iron ... erm, I mean "steel," comrade?!?
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Grand Moff Texan | 07.28.07 - 3:33 pm | #
NO FLIRTING!
how do you teach a kid who sees no value in education? I had students who were convinced that they were going to be NBA stars and make millions. I had others whose only goal in life was to be a pimp. They told me these things in class!
therealhellkitty | 07.28.07 - 3:31 pm | #
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So ?
Kids always say dumbass things. They're kids.
unfortunately I am talking about 6-7 & 8th graders.
therealhellkitty
So was I (the quotes come from my mother, a middle school teacher).
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NO FLIRTING!
rorschach
Just for that, I'm going to ogle your wife.
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"Todays lesson is to not leave your fingers in the frame when closing the door of my office behind you."
rootless2 | 07.28.07 - 3:33 pm | #
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WOO HOOO !!!!!!!!!!
Well fucking shit. I didn't know we made the fucking Russians poison their countryside at Chernobyl. I didn't know we blew up a chemical plant at Bhopal. I forgot we started every war in the 20th century. I had forgotten that American King Henry VIII laid waste to Northern Ireland, or that he was actually only following the plan of ever previous American king in doing so.
But since not one of those is true, I think I would prefer to skip the part where we measure our pros and cons as a people and work on doing things right.
Teacher: pay attention, you're going to need to know this.
one quarter of my junior year of college, I had a course with a professor who found a classroom with chalkboards on all four walls, and scheduled two two-hour lectures a week, with a short break at the one-hour mark. he did this so that he could cover all four walls with fairly longhaired math.
one day, about fifteen minutes into the second hour, the professor turned to the class and solicited questions. the fellow sitting next to me in the back of the room raised his hand and asked politely: "Professor Epstein, is there any reason why we will ever need to know how to do this integral?"
Epstein scratched his head, looked at the board, and replied: "Some day, when you are teaching undergraduates, you will need to know how to do this integral."
Just for that, I'm going to ogle your wife.
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Grand Moff Texan | 07.28.07 - 3:35 pm | #
Heh.
Kids always say dumbass things. They're kids.
Doug Watts, lindane free. | Homepage | 07.28.07 - 3:34 pm | #
they were quite serious.
We (OUR government) do owe this earth big time. There's no skirting it.
Zap Rowsdower
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fuck that it is "our" unholy alliance with capital globalization that is the nearest dearest monster in every form it has taken.
Though anecdotally, I think children are getting somewhat more sophisticated at an earlier age. We had our niece and nephew visit for awhile recently.
Goddamn, I don't remember at twelve being as wired in to all of the minutia of adult oriented stuff as these kids evidently are.
Epstein scratched his head, looked at the board, and replied: "Some day, when you are teaching undergraduates, you will need to know how to do this integral."
theodoric | Homepage | 07.28.07 - 3:36 pm | #
I hate stuff like that. Either the teacher is just going through the motions or he/she is teaching stupid things.
"the West won the world not by the superiority of its ideas or values or religion but rather by its superiority in applying organized violence. Westerners often forget this fact, non-Westerners never do."
And this would demonstrate a surprising lack of ignorance of the history of the world. Who the fuck was Charles Martel?
Epstein scratched his head, looked at the board, and replied: "Some day, when you are teaching undergraduates, you will need to know how to do this integral."
theodoric | Homepage | 07.28.07 - 3:36 pm | #
That's just about the worst response imaginable.
It would be ridiculous, after all, to sack an American general because Nouri al-Maliki wants us to. -- Yglesias.
Why would it be ridiculous ?
He never explains why.
Yglesias has got the Joke Line in him.
#1 Base entire piece on an unstated, unexplained and undefended premise. Then smirk.
He's gonna be a contendah ...
Who the fuck was Charles Martel?
Snow, Liberal
I kick ass, therefore I am.
.
But since not one of those is true, I think I would prefer to skip the part where we measure our pros and cons as a people and work on doing things right.
Part of doing things right is acknowledging the wrong that you've done.
But since we have such a hard time acknowledging and apologizing the simplest of state-sponsored criminal activity, like concerted murder of our native peoples, testing chemicals on our poor, and enslaving an entire race, it's important that we continue to be reminded of that so that it never happens again.
Heh.
rorschach
See? I blamed you for what I was going to do anyways.
I learned that from George Bush.
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That's just about the worst response imaginable.
rorschach, infogit
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stoopid dept of ed again
Sometimes, I hate not having a car or a license.
Buckeye, Dealer of Rare Coins
You need both to live in AZ.
And this would demonstrate a surprising lack of ignorance of the history of the world. Who the fuck was Charles Martel?
Snow, Liberal | 07.28.07 - 3:39 pm | #
You disagree? I think it is probably one of the few times in his life Huntington was not lying.
They don't like us
but we have got
the maxim gun
and they have not
- Belloc
But since we have such a hard time acknowledging and apologizing the simplest of state-sponsored criminal activity, like concerted murder of our native peoples, testing chemicals on our poor, and enslaving an entire race, it's important that we continue to be reminded of that so that it never happens again.
That is not the same thing as apologizing to the sainted countries of this world which was the comment I was objecting to.
Sometimes, I hate not having a car or a license.
I'm anti-American, because I think the caring and feeding of an automobile is a tremendous pain in the ass.
MP | Homepage | 07.28.07 - 3:29 pm |
Even though Dayton's public transit system has declined over the years, usually I don't mind not having a car.
But when I'm given almost no notice that I no longer have ride tomorrow for groceries, then I get annoyed.
I'm not really able to go today, so if no alternate transit is arranged, I'll have to leave work early to do this by bus.
Thats when it sucks.
GMT
The greater problem is the despair inherent in the idea that this is all these kids can look to as a goal in life. Pimping, drug dealing, or an unrealistic expectation of a glorious sports career. I don't recall any one of them ever saying that they wanted to be a teacher or an accountant or a mechanic.
I hate stuff like that. Either the teacher is just going through the motions or he/she is teaching stupid things.
well, he *was* teaching technology that was rapidly becoming obsolete.
fortunately, I was also taught the technology that replaced it, albeit by a holocaust denier.
See? I blamed you for what I was going to do anyways.
I learned that from George Bush.
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Grand Moff Texan | 07.28.07 - 3:41 pm | #
Well played, good sir. I've been ogling her all morning and afternoon, so I guess I shouldn't be all greedy about it anyway.
That's just about the worst response imaginable.
rorschach, infogit
Because I say so.
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Kids always say dumbass things. They're kids.
Doug Watts, lindane free. | Homepage | 07.28.07 - 3:34 pm | #
they were quite serious.
therealhellkitty | 07.28.07 - 3:37 pm | #
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I know. That's my point. Kids are very serious. Dead serious. Everything is serious when you are a kid. Locker assignments are major serious.
Kids, being powerless, will try anything that might work to get from A to B. If not doing classwork is the goal, then some kids will try or say anything. My brother was like that. He always argued with the dad about how school was dumb and wasn't teaching him anything he didn't know and how he didn't have to know what they taught.
He was about 11 at the time.
Who the fuck was Charles Martel?
Snow, Liberal
If he was a finalist in American Idol, and not Charlemagne's grandpappy, you'd get better results.
My one visit out west, in part, included a ride with a guy who picked up us two gals hitchhiking. He was an arcade game repair guy and he put thousands of miles in on a given week (this was the pacific northwest), Our ride with him covered the ground between the Columbia River basin outside of Portland Ore. and a small mt town in Washington were a rainbow festival was taking place.
Snow,
I'm not going to have this conversation with you if you keep selectively reading what I said.
If he was a finalist in American Idol, and not Charlemagne's grandpappy, you'd get better results.
He missed American Idol by a couple of years, but would it help if I said he sang like an angel and ate pussy like a champ?
Nancy Willing -
Wonder which of the various serial killers of girls hitching throughout the Northwest it might have been....
That's just about the worst response imaginable.
rorschach, infogit
Because I say so.
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GWPDA, yclept SansDent | Homepage | 07.28.07 - 3:44 pm | #
At least that's an argument from putative authority.
But his argument was from a wild supposition that was almost certainly untrue for at least 99% of the students.
it has become unfasionable to call sheets.
You need both to live in AZ.
ditto Tennessee and Alabama.
but freeways clogged with idling Lexi cry out for some sort of solution, and passenger rail isn't it.
some day we'll have smart freeways capable of managing our traffic and driving our cars for us.
I don't know how many of us will be able to afford to drive on them, though.
GMT
The greater problem is the despair inherent in the idea that this is all these kids can look to as a goal in life. Pimping, drug dealing, or an unrealistic expectation of a glorious sports career. I don't recall any one of them ever saying that they wanted to be a teacher or an accountant or a mechanic.
therealhellkitty
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lay that at the feet of the media/culture/fucking commercialized society not the kids themselves.
problem is that even there, the jobs are for the select few with plenty of territorial gun fire as deciders/hirers.
"Kids are very serious. Dead serious. Everything is serious when you are a kid. Locker assignments are major serious."
granted. now tell me - you are faced with a kid who wants to grow up to be a stripper. She refuses to do work, instead asking you what position you fucked your wife in in order to make your kids. ask her to be more respectful and she'll tell you to fuck off. call her parent and get ok I'll talk to her or no answer. send her to the dean and get back a note saying you need to improve your classroom management. send her to the counselor and she refuses to go. talk to her friends to see if they can reach her and they refuse to help (but are sympathetic) kick her out and get an obscene tirade.
all this has a bad effect on the learning of the rest of the class. what would you do?
yes this is a real kid.
The greater problem is the despair inherent in the idea that this is all these kids can look to as a goal in life. Pimping, drug dealing, or an unrealistic expectation of a glorious sports career. I don't recall any one of them ever saying that they wanted to be a teacher or an accountant or a mechanic.
therealhellkitty | 07.28.07 - 3:44 pm | #
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Who would (no offense) ?
In junior high school most kids have fairly unbelievable goals -- astronaut, baseball player, president of Coca Cola, beauty queen.
If I met an 8th grader who said he wanted to be a teacher, accountant or mechanic, I'd think the kid was messed up.
School and education is not about what job you want when you graduate. It's about your life. And your life is not your job.
If your life is your job, what happens when you get laid off ?
Sometimes, I hate not having a car or a license.
Buckeye, Dealer of Rare Coins
You need both to live in AZ.
GWPDA, yclept SansDent | Homepage | 07.28.07 - 3:42 pm
Or most places in the US.
Being an older city, Dayton's had public transit for eons, so it least it had something to start with.
I look forward to the day when a future president stands to some world body and apologizes for polarizing and destroying large swaths of this planet.
That is what you said.
Apologize to some world body for destroying large swaths of this planet.
Everything is serious when you are a kid. Locker assignments are major serious.
To this day, I have no idea how I kept wall locker and gym locker combos straight in my head.
all this has a bad effect on the learning of the rest of the class
Yep.
That's why I think of tracking as "triage."
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To this day, I have no idea how I kept wall locker and gym locker combos straight in my head.
MP
At the post office the other day, I was helping a new boxholder work out the combination on her box - which even as I did so I knew would drive out my own combination. It did. After 12 years on the same box I couldn't remember the combination to save my soul. Had to go humiliate myself to the desk clerk....
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Uncle Blodge, Urban Teacher | 07.28.07 - 3:50 pm | #
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I believe you.
If she told me to fuck off, I would just not let her in my class anymore. If I was forced to have her in class, I would file a grievance and/or transfer to another school.
That is not the same thing as apologizing to the sainted countries of this world which was the comment I was objecting to.
That's what you said, Snow.
And where did I use the word "sainted"? Where did I say that every other country is innocent of committing crimes on a grand scale? I was only speaking to our responsibility as USers. I'd be stupid to speak for any other country in the world.
So don't put words in my mouth. It's very unbecoming.
Nancy Willing -
Wonder which of the various serial killers of girls hitching throughout the Northwest it might have been....
GWPDA
*
well
I made sure that we slept in shifts!
I used to hitch a lot before crack became epidemic. Once stories of crazed SOBs who killed for 5 bucks were widespread, my and my girlfriends stopped hitching. Too bad because we had such great times meeting people and outtalking them.
My peeps and I were high IQ chicks in halters so our prey never knew what was about to hit them!!!!
"If she told me to fuck off, I would just not let her in my class anymore. If I was forced to have her in class, I would file a grievance and/or transfer to another school."
I got told to fuck off on a daily or occasionally hourly basis.
I did not have the authority to kick a kid out. only management can do that.
someone finally did pull the kid out, but not until march.
If she told me to fuck off, I would just not let her in my class anymore.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
If I was forced to have her in class, I would file a grievance and/or transfer to another school.
After that, good luck finding a job. Administrators will punish you for making more work for them. And, if you have a reputation ...
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And, if you have a reputation ...
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Grand Moff Texan
If anything happens to the kid you can be held responsible.
good grief
we are two sheets to the wind down here
"Administrators will punish you for making more work for them."
I had a kid refuse to work, tell me to fuck off when I tried to get him to, and walk out of the class when I insisted.
I filed a disciplinary referral on him and it came back marked "this is a classroom management issue".
with all due respect anyone who says "I just wouldn't put up with that" is not a teacher.
"If anything happens to the kid you can be held responsible."
yep - if you tell the kid to "get out" without sending them somewhere and they raise hell somewhere else in the school it's your ass.
"high IQ chicks in halters"
my dream girl!
“He told Bush that if Petraeus continues doing that he would arm Shiite Militias. Bush told al-Maliki to calm down,” according to the lawmaker who said he was told of the exchange by al-Maliki.
http://www.marinecorpstimes.com/news/
2007/07/ap_petraeusmaliki_070727/
I disagree with the COC's suggestion, he really should have told him to "Knock off this shit!", that would be the more diplomatic solution.
I know I discussed this on a prior thread but here goes:
Cal Ripken, Jr. who is getting inducted into the Hall of Fame, did NOT save baseball after the 1994 strike.
In fact, his team, the Orioles, were responsible for nearly ruining baseball. Baseball needs a salary cap, like football, so that the same teams don't play in the playoffs every year. The Orioles opposed the salary cap.
So F the Orioles and F Ripken.
I said: Because ever man and country is an island unto themselves; and we're the only bad apples in this barrel of monkeys.
You said: Yeah. That's exactly what I said/implied.
If that was sarcastic, then it was a misinterpretation . . . not fucking selective reading.
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