I'MMA LET YOU FINISH
PENIS!
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Sorry 'bout that.
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No, I'm not, really. I CAN HAZ CHEEZBURGER!
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Thanks Echidne, you're super.
Is NTodd here yet?
Okay, I'm bored.
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"NTodd is a nattering nabob of negativism" -Spiro Agnew
Damn.
Young DWD and Friend
http://smg.photobucket.com/
album...nt=youngdwd.jpg
But you kid.
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Here are some GREAT WAYS to SPEAK OUT!
http://freewayblogger.blogspot.c...you-can-
do.html
"Never let it be said that our generation failed to do the very least we possibly could in defense of our nation." -Scarlet P.
Really supporting U.S. troops is a good thing.
--WKW
This is only good for my colon.
Sorry Jeff... If it wasn't me it would have been NTodd's dick-sniffer.
How I spent my Saturday afternoon, if you give a flying fuck.
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Happy birthday res, Robert and the pony boy.
Seems like birthdays come in multiples around here.
And thanks echidne.
Would a terrorist attack be good for Republicans?
I think not.
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Thanks Echidne, you're super.
Mr French
Notice how I don't link to my blog at all! Me all noble.
HEY! I went to school with Dick Sniffyr.
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I still think we need more Peach stories. If not vampire snake dominatrix stories.
mer: Seems like birthdays come in multiples around here.
I am unique: The only Echatonian Solstice Boy™.
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Would a terrorist attack be good for Republicans?
It would prove once and for all that they're complete and utter failures.
In Afghanistan, the civilian deaths caused by US and Nato-led troops have infuriated local people and prompted President Hamid Karzai to publicly condemn foreign forces for careless 'use of extreme force' and for viewing Afghan lives as 'cheap'.
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Senior British soldiers have previously expressed concerns that McNeill, who took command of the 32,000 Nato troops in Afghanistan only recently, was 'a fan' of the massive use of air power to defeat insurgents and that his favoured tactics could be counter-productive.
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The American general has been dubbed 'Bomber McNeill' by his critics.
It's not an atrocity, cause they're not using suicide bombs, right?
"Young DWD and Friend" --DWD
Handsome and pretty. What else can I say.
From the dead thread:
NTodd:
Has Sam returned?
The Green Slime is coming!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g...h?
v=g79_ljVC5Wk
It would prove once and for all that they're complete and utter failures.
Mr French
Indeed. So we're safe.
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Gotta go take care of some quick bidness.
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Linguist Seth Lerer on Cspan says the remaining Old English words are body parts(head, mouth, arm, finger), basic grammar(of and the a), commodity words(gold silver tin). Still very much the heart of the language.
He read a passage from Beowulf and it sounded like a combination of German and Welsh.
Now he's reading Canterberry Tales and it sounds like Latin.
They'll never listen to us, but dems only need to do two things to reduce the perception that they're whimps.
1) Come up with talking points to drive home.
2) Start insulting republicans and cons on TV.
There is some person down below yacking about "Beowulf" and "The Canterbury Tales."
It's not an atrocity, cause they're not using suicide bombs, right?
Well sort of.
It's not atrocity, because every bomb is signed by jesus himself.
My buds bailed on me for camping tonight, guess I'm stuck with you people.
Echidne, I don't know how you feel about strawberry shortcake, but help yourself, and to some Ocumare chocolate. 71% cacao.
Happy Birthday Res!
Terry - yes, thanks! He was a bit wet...
http://www.comcast.net/news/
inde...vqh=itn_clinton
Er, WHY would you want to piss off folks who normally vote for your party?
My buds bailed on me for camping tonight, guess I'm stuck with you people.
Mr French | 06.30.07 - 9:32 pm | #
Did you shave, French ? Lather ?
Terry - yes, thanks! He was a bit wet...
NTodd, down with OCD
Well, I'm glad to hear he's okay.
Thanks, Sallyh. I love strawberry shortcake.
It would prove once and for all that they're complete and utter failures.
I concur.
Res, may you have the best year evah.
Thanks, Sallyh. I just had one of those summer dinners: a blend of fruit and some youghurt. Easy and quick.
Did you shave, French ? Lather ?
Indeed I did. My face is as smooth as NTodd's butt.
Ummmm... perhaps I've said too much...
In case you haven't seen this:
U.S. raids Baghdad slum; 26 Iraqis die
BAGHDAD - Iraqi Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki condemned a U.S. raid Saturday in Baghdad's Shiite Sadr City slum — a politically sensitive district for him — in which American troops searching for Iranian-linked militants sparked a firefight the U.S. said left 26 Iraqis dead.
The U.S. military said all those killed in the fighting were gunmen, some of them firing from behind civilian cars. But an Iraqi official put the death toll lower, at eight, and said they were civilians. Residents also said eight civilians were killed in their homes, angrily accusing American troops of firing wildly during the pre-dawn assault.
Sadr City is the Iraqi capital's largest Shiite neighborhood — home to some 2.5 million people — making U.S. raids there potentially embarrassing for al-Maliki's Shiite-led government. The district is also the stronghold of the Mahdi Army, a militia loyal to anti-American cleric Muqtada al-Sadr, who was once al-Maliki's ally.
"The Iraqi government totally rejects U.S. military operations ... conducted without prior approval from the Iraqi military command," al-Maliki said in a statement concerning the Sadr City raid. "Anyone who breaches the military command orders will face investigation."
snip
Also Saturday, the military announced that two American soldiers were charged with the premeditated murder of three Iraqis and with planting weapons on the bodies to cover up the slayings, which took place between April and June near Iskandariyah, 30 miles south of Baghdad.
If only the Rs had listened to Jack Murtha - last year, instead they mocked and smeared him for daring to challenge the failed policies of Bushco. Stop the madness and bring home all the troops now!!
Cut off funding - if the Rs don't go along with the new Iraq resolution in July.
Ah, this is much nicer.*wiggles toes*
Happy birfday, res!
"It's not an atrocity, cause they're not using suicide bombs, right?"
--melior
"If we're going to kill people, at least kill the right people." --I read that, or something close to that, at Think Progress yesterday.
How many innocent people have we killed?
Linguist Seth Lerer on Cspan discussing the Great Vowel Shift in the history of the English language.
U.S. raids Baghdad slum; 26 Iraqis die
Oh well if 26 slums dies who thinks twice?
I know all physicists aren't assholes, but somedays....
Thanks, Echidine. Me, Holden, and RMJ are all June 30th babies.
Fucke offen, jacke
That's Holden, RMJ and I ...
simels, were he present, would regret my error.
Lerer says the great vowel shift wasn't yet completed when Shakespeare wrote so he could rhyme words that don't rhyme to us.
How was your birthday res ipsa?
Thanks, Echidine. Me, Holden, and RMJ are all June 30th babies.
res ipsa loquitur
Happy B-day to you all!
Who did/does Russert have on his show today?
Liberals pervert language to make evil sound good.
Kathy Griffin on Ann Coulter
Naughty
Ummmm... perhaps I've said too much...
Mr French | 06.30.07 - 9:35 pm | #
Camping is rarely fun. You're hiding from dive bombing mosquitoes, and in the morning, somebody always wakes up first and rattles everything that can be rattled, preventing the whole time they're trying to be quiet. As you wake up, you realize you're in a pool of sweat, and there's no way in hell you're gonna catch any more sleep.
Lerer says the language of Pirates of the Carribean is the language of 17th century east anglia which was the last place to adopt the vowel shift.
Young DWD and Friend
Lovely photo, DWD.
Hi and g'bye--just a drive-by.
Maybe BBL.
Who did/does Russert have on his show today?
If it's sunday is must be right day.
Thanks, Echidine. Me, Holden, and RMJ are all June 30th babies.
res ipsa loquitur
I wish many happy returns to 67% of that group. Pony Boy, on the other hand...
Tim Russert should only put on people with fatter heads so he looks less awkward.
They use the bias of the media to carry their worthless arguments to the heartland, or attempt to. We're not buying it.
My buds bailed on me for camping tonight, guess I'm stuck with you people.
Mr French |
There's a whole sinkful of dishes... get busy.
Who did/does Russert have on his show today?
Lumpenprolitariot
I'll go out on a limb and guess somebody with a new book out that demonstrates that things would be swell and dandy if we could all find that Can-do! Up With America! Spirit that won World War II.
Like our Dads did!!
Perhaps you missed it the first time.
Fucke offen, jacke.
Thanks, NTodd.
HBK,
It was low-key. Couldn't have asked for nicer weather. And I have a very nice new pedicure.
preventing = pretending
"As you wake up, you realize you're in a pool of sweat, and there's no way in hell you're gonna catch any more sleep."
that's no sweat. it's there because it's been raining the last 16 hours.
Liberals pervert language to make evil sound good.
Whereas you pervert minors to make your evil parts feel good.
Would some please pinch Gary Rupper Pupkin's head off?
They use the bias of the media to carry their worthless arguments to the heartland, or attempt to. We're not buying it.
Yes, you 11-percenters are denser than depleted uranium.
Dick Cheney is one of a kind.
Bush's intellectual level is amazing.
There I go perverting language again.
Lerer says Shakespeare coined the word assisination in his play Macbeth.
Lerer says Shakespeare coined 6000 words.
I see our favorite mouth breathing child molester is here:
http://thumbsnap.com/v/DD4cql02.jpg
Thanks, Echidine. Me, Holden, and RMJ are all June 30th babies. res ipsa loquitur
Well they can bite my shiny metal ass, but what can I do for you? I presume you're full up on Altered Images and Sugarcubes - something more ecelectic?
Isn't Gary due for a visit with his parole officer?
Liberals dominate the media....this has been announced by Rush Limbaugh. And Thomas Sowell. And Ann Coulter. And Rich Lowry. Bill O'Reilly. And Robert Novak. And George Will.
And John Gibson. And Michelle Malkin. And David Brooks. And Tony Snow. And Tony Blankely. And Fred Barnes. And Britt Hume. And Larry Kudlow. And Sean Hannity. And David Horowitz. And William Kristol. And Hugh Hewitt. And William Buckley.
And Oliver North. And Joe Scarborough. And Pat Buchanan. And John McLaughlin. And Cal Thomas. And Joe Klein. And James Kilpatrick. And Tucker Carlson. And Deroy Murdock. And Michael Savage. And Charles Krauthammer. And Stephen Moore. And Alan Keyes.
And Gary Bauer. And Mort Kondracke. And Andrew Sullivan. And Nicholas von Hoffman. And Neil Cavuto. And Matt Drudge. And Mike Rosen. And Dave Kopel. And John Caldara. And Deborah Howell. And Richard Morin. And John Harris. And Gordon Liddy. And laura Ingraham.
And Larry Elder. And Tammy Bruce. And Neal Boortz. And FOX DJ ManPal. And Rusty Humphrey. And Laura Schlessinger.
So what if the Administration had to pay Armstrong Williams and Maggie Gallagher to run their script.
Good evening, all. Just got back from "Sicko" where I cried through the whole last segment. Just to see those folks getting some of the help they need,plus being comforted by the Cuban health care professionals. And then, when they met the Cuban firefighters . . . Oh, it was so lovely to see something as generous and appreciative as that.
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Would some please pinch Gary Rupper Pupkin's head off?
He's like a tick...
oooh, nice smackdown of one of Dumbya's most bizarre self-agrandizing fantasies in the WaPo:
Like Bush and unlike Churchill, Chamberlain came to office with almost no understanding of foreign affairs or experience in dealing with international leaders. Nonetheless, he was convinced that he alone could bring Hitler and Benito Mussolini to heel. He surrounded himself with like-minded advisers and refused to heed anyone who told him otherwise.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/
wp...id=opinionsbox1
Have a nice remainder of your birthday(s).
I'm going back to bed.
Buenas noches.
If it's sunday is must be right day.
smalfish, tinfoil hatted
I meant his saturday CNBC gig.
Would some please pinch Gary Rupper Pupkin's head off?
Can't be him - he promised never to return when Scooter went down. Must be a namestealer- ignore him.
He's like a tick... NTodd
I'm not wasting my olive oil on him - try lighting a match. In fact, do that anyway.
Good evening, all. Just got back from "Sicko" where I cried through the whole last segment.
I found Sicko mediocre even as propaganda.
Gilly,
I'm the guy who gets up and pretends that he's trying to be quiet.
Why, I do believe Gary is right about that liberal bias, and here's some proof.
Moron.
I found Sicko mediocre even as propaganda.
Of course you do.
I found Dicko delicious in my mouth
I'll pinch Ruppert's head off if someone will pinch jack's head off.
Deal?
I found Sicko mediocre even as propaganda.
Why say that when you haven't seen it?
Libby is not going down, this liberal witch hunt will backfire, and he will be free as soon as the next terror attack hits. YOu'll be sorry y ou messed with Bush and Cheney and the USA.
A Detroit man was sentenced to five years in prison Friday for trying to burn down a women's health clinic that he mistakenly thought performed abortions.
David McMenemy, 46, pleaded guilty in January to arson against a business affecting interstate commerce. He could have been sentenced up to 20 years in prison.
I found myself looking at my watch 15 minutes into Sicko.
Well they can bite my shiny metal ass, but what can I do for you?
Why don'tcha like Pony Boy and RMJ?
How about an MP3 of "I'll Take You There" by the Staples Singers?
Happy Birthday res and all!
WHy would I want to hunt liberal witchs? I LOVE liberal witches!
Why say that when you haven't seen it?
Because he's of the 11 percent. Blindly following the talking points are the natural order of things.
I found Sicko mediocre even as propaganda.
I find your comment less than mediocre, even for a troll.
Good evening, all. Just got back from "Sicko" where I cried through the whole last segment.
I found Sicko mediocre even as propaganda.
milt
Fuck off, jack.
David McMenemy, 46, pleaded guilty in January to arson against a business affecting interstate commerce. He could have been sentenced up to 20 years in prison.
trifecta | Homepage | 06.30.07 - 9:46 pm | #
I'll bet he was black. They are so stupid, usually burn down their own neighborhoods.
I'm the guy who gets up and pretends that he's trying to be quiet.
Mr French
I'm the one who has been up all night drinking and decides to declaim the Loksena at sunrise.
Seth Lerer on Cspan says John Milton seemed to know everything.
I found myself looking at my watch 15 minutes into sucking Dicko, but finally the homeless guy exploded into my eager mouth.
Liberals want socialised health care so they can further suck off the system.
I found myself looking at my watch 15 minutes into Sicko.
milt
jack can't tell time.
WHy would I want to hunt liberal witchs? I LOVE liberal witches!
JeffCO
Cue Motorhead.
Libby is not going down, this liberal witch hunt will backfire, and he will be free as soon as the next terror attack hits. YOu'll be sorry y ou messed with Bush and Cheney and the USA.
This is pretty funny.
Sparkle Plenty,
How about that guy in the first 0:15? That guy belongs in med school. Those stitches were perfect.
A Detroit man was sentenced to five years in prison Friday for trying to burn down a women's health clinic that he mistakenly thought performed abortions.
American terrorists are teh stoopid.
Maybe they felt sorry for him.
McMenemy screams black irish.
Liberals want socialised health care so they can further suck off the system.
Gary Ruppert
"suck off"
Anyone got the photo of that church sign that was posted on an earlier thread?
Liberals want socialised health care so they can further suck off the system.
Gary Ruppert | Homepage | 06.30.07 - 9:48 pm | #
I'll suck anyone with a pulse. Hell, I'll suck corpses.
David McMenemy, 46, pleaded guilty in January to arson against a business affecting interstate commerce. He could have been sentenced up to 20 years in prison.
trifecta
Apparently they aren't the only ones making stupid terrorists.
Oh, good! Trollie made an openly racist comment. That ought to get our host's attention, yes?
Liberals want to get what they can from the system for free and never contribute or take responsibility, unlike us in the Heartland.
as soon as the next terror attack hits
And Gary is jerking off while he typed those words.
Maybe they felt sorry for him.
Probably because he burned down the "wrong" building.
Is it racist to state facts, like that the negros tend to be self0-destructive?
How about that guy in the first 0:15? That guy belongs in med school. Those stitches were perfect.
res ipsa loquitur
Much better stitches than Captain Vidal's in Pan's Labyrinth.
Liberals want to get what they can from the system for free and never contribute or take responsibility, unlike us in the Heartland.
TAX CUTS, BAYBEE!!!!
Sicko,
saw it,
sucked.
How about that guy in the first 0:15? That guy belongs in med school. Those stitches were perfect.
res ipsa loquitur | Homepage | 06.30.07 - 9:49 pm | #
Indeed ! Hannity will prolly claim that's all you need to do.
It would explain why they have not advanced in our system, with chips on shoulders and laziness.
Gary Ruppert,
Bush and Cheney have taken this country down because we didn't mess enough with them. You'll be part of the "taking down," as we all will be. It's not going to be pleasant.
They use the bias of the media...
29%... 28%... 27%... 26%...
Hug the boat anchor!
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Thanks, ErinPDX.
While getting pedicure I read Time Out. Check this letter to "Get Naked" columnist. Sounds like one of our concern trolls.
Sicko,
saw it,
sucked
a
homeless
mans
dick
Sicko,
saw it,
sucked.
milt | 06.30.07 - 9:51 pm | #
Yea indeed. Liberal bias class war propoganda.
Sicko,
saw it,
sucked.
You aren't supposed to suck off strangers at movie theaters, jack.
For all you Atriot Kitty Freaks.
All of your cats are related.
I found Sicko mediocre even as propaganda.
If you saw it and this is your response, I feel sorry for you; if you didn't see it, even sorrier.
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I suppose we're going to have to talk about sex if we want these trolls to leave.
Someone else better start, though...
Why don'tcha like Pony Boy and RMJ? How about an MP3 of "I'll Take You There" by the Staples Singers?
I like them fine, but they seem to have plenty of ponies and pony-byproducts. And it's Staple, on its way.
I like it when I eat the shit of children.
Republicans are indeed looking better in the eyes of many Americans , when compared to the hapless, hopeless Reid/Pelosi do nothing Congress.(If at first you don't succeed , fail fail again). My prediction: Republicans will sweep both Houses in 2008 and regain control so legislation can get back on track. The horror of the Reid /Pelosi do nothings has come into sharp focus.
me too
Well, we know what YOU do in the Heartland, Gary:
http://thumbsnap.com/v/FYwWHj5e.jpg
SteveLG,
Read the "Get Naked" link I posted upthread. Then we'll discuss.
There is a teh gay element, which ought to freak Gary Ruppert Pupkin right the fuck out.
Someone else better start, though...
We're gonna need a bigger peach.
What happened to these trolls to make them so frustrated their hearts have turned vile?
I support pedophiles
I knew you'd have taht Staples Singers song.
THANK YOU, JeffCO.
Republicans are indeed looking better in the eyes of many Americans
Oh, stop. Yer killin' me!
Yes, the liberal congress has been a complete failure. We should throw them out, and perhaps sooner than 08 by using a national emergency to centralize power in the executive. That would keep those meddling liberals from trying to attack our president in wartime.
What happened to these trolls to make them so frustrated their hearts have turned vile?
Sparkle Plenty | 06.30.07 - 9:55 pm | #
For me, it was continued sexual abuse by my father.
What happened to these trolls to make them so frustrated their hearts have turned vile?
Sparkle Plenty
Their preznit down to 12%?????
We represent the Stenography Guild, the Stenography Guild, the Stenography Guild, the Stenography Guild.
We represent the Stenography Guillllllllld.
And we're here to WATB on behalf of the Health Care Industry.
Oh great, it's talking to itself again.
I see the trolls are here. Is someone paying you, or are you here because you need to defend your dying agenda? Same thing, I guess.
Heard my first Cicada today. Global warming is pushing their first appearances back towards the spring.
Republicans are indeed looking better in the eyes of many Americans
Really? And where are you getting your information to base your analysis on? Your ass?
Daughter says she's going to go see "Sicko" Monday night.
I may join her.
Guest lineup for the Sunday TV news shows
ABC's "This Week" - Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff; Sen. Joe Lieberman, I-Conn.
CBS' "Face the Nation" - Sen. Richard Lugar, R-Ind.
NBC's "Meet the Press" - Sen. Patrick Leahy, D-Vt.
CNN's "Late Edition" - Chertoff; House Majority Whip James Clyburn, D-S.C., and Rep. Peter King, R-N.Y.; Lanny Davis, former Clinton special counsel; Ben Ginsberg, former counsel to the Republican National Committee; former national security adviser Zbigniew Brzezinski; former Secretary of State Henry Kissinger.
"Fox News Sunday" - Chertoff; Michael Gallagher, conservative talk radio host; Mark Green of Air America Radio.
Michael Moore said he has excellent health insurance through the Director's Guild.
Oh great, it's talking to itself again.
Lumpenprolitariot
Whatta ya say?
Let the trolls all talk to each other....or the one troll talk to itself, as the case may be....and ignore them?
WTF? is with all these trolls?
Shouldn't they be fixed on their teevees, masturbating to images of burning cars in Glasgow?
ABC's "This Week" - Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff; Sen. Joe Lieberman, I-Conn.
Oy.
Thank Christ Leahy will be on with Fat Tim.
ABC's "This Week" - Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff; Sen. Joe Lieberman, I-Conn.
What the fucking fuck.
Michael Moore said he has excellent health insurance through the Director's Guild.
olde
So what's your point, jack?
ABC's "This Week" - Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff
Anyone have the balls to ask him if he's an American citizen ?
Oh, the Grande Bug Chase has started. I need to close the balcony door.
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the hapless, hopeless Reid/Pelosi do nothing Congress
You mean the Congress that passed every one of their election agenda items in 100 hours?
Shouldn't they be fixed on their teevees, masturbating to images of burning cars in Glasgow?
res ipsa loquitur
They can't afford cable.
In many respects, Michael Moore's new movie, "Sicko," is like a trial for those who oversee health care in the United States.
The industry _ doctors, drug makers, hospitals, insurers _ is charged with greed and putting personal interests above patients'. Moore heard from thousands of people who had maddening and heartbreaking brushes with this system.
As chief prosecutor, Moore lets them do most of the talking and weaves their stories into the film with wit, compassion and humor.
But one aspect missing from the film is the defense. Do not expect to hear anyone speak well of the care they received in the U.S.
The great thing about complete and utter bullshit like this is, anyone who reads it (who isn't already a bought-and-paid-for moronic brownshirt fuck) will say "what in Christ's name are these idiots jabbering about?"
Guest lineup for the Sunday TV news shows
And a more vile scum of villainy you'll never see.
Hm.
Abbey Road voted best Beatles album by Larry King listeners, followed by Sgt. Pepper's and White Album.
Sit on this and Revolver.
Anyone have the balls to ask him if he's an American citizen ?
Gilly Gonzylon
Or how a furntiture-warehouse fire is related to 9/11 and "Homeland Security"?
What's so sad about trollie is that he clearly can't even fake believing what he pastes here, but he can't stop doing it. With both hands.
An intestinal bug isn't really a bug.
Talk to your spin doctor today
Go on, click it...
What happened to these trolls to make them so frustrated their hearts have turned vile? - Sparkle Plenty
Oh, it's been there pretty much all along. They were amazing in Nov, 2004 when they thought their little tin gods could create realities at will.
Now their snarling, grumbling little refugees of the Fourth Reich in their own private Paraguay.
Hm.
Abbey Road voted best Beatles album by Larry King listeners, followed by Sgt. Pepper's and White Album.
Sit on this and Revolver.
SteveLG | 06.30.07 - 10:00 pm | #
Rabbi Saul is best.
http://www.comcast.net/news/inde.../30/
703731.html
Michale Moore is not only fat and ugly, he is biased and wrong and as it says here gets the factgs mixed up. He did not present both sides.
For me, it was continued sexual abuse by my father.
Big Fitz | 06.30.07 - 9:56 pm | #
I realize this is supposed to be a joke at a troll's expense, but unfortunately it's quite likely something close to the truth, and therefore tragic, not funny.
I'm so sorry for you trolls. Truly, how hard to go through life bearing such bitterness, even if justifiably.
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Rubber Soul? I hardly know her!
Do not expect to hear anyone speak well of the care they received in the U.S.
How do you speak well of something you don't receive?
. Do not expect to hear anyone speak well of the care they received in the U.S.
Do not expect to hear anyone speak well of all the freshly painted schools in Iraq, either.
I live with my head in my intestine.
That drain bolt was a bitch to break loose, btw.
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Really, the best Beatles albums were most of them. Even the least of them were good or excellent.
We simply can't afford to give healthcare away for free.
The trolls can't even speak MICHAEL Moore's name correctly.
Pitiful....just pitiful.
Michael Moore is fat and stupid, nobody likes him, except communists
I'm a very efficient recycler. I eat what I shit and shit what I eat. No need to go out for dinner.
Poor sad trollies, never to know love or genuine intimacy. They used to call what happened to them "failure to thrive."
We simply can't afford to give healthcare away for free.
jon | 06.30.07 - 10:02 pm | #
Heh, because we're paying for free health care for all Iraqi citizens.
We simply can't afford to give healthcare away for free.
jon |
A shame for jack because he can't get treatment for his multiple personalities.
Castro/Gorbachev 08
Whatta ya say?
Let the trolls all talk to each other....or the one troll talk to itself, as the case may be....and ignore them?
Terry C
It reminds me kids having their dolls talk to each other.
We simply can't afford to give healthcare away for free.
Sure we can! We just have a big pray-in, and have everyone godly put their offerings in a big plate that goes to doctors, nurses, and the like. But fuck the insurance vultures. They don't do shit.
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And Child Diddler Gary is so pitiful he keeps repeating the "Michael Moore is fat" bullshit over and over again.
Wow, the trolls are scared. Nice.
It's cute watching Larry King trying to act excited about all this Beatles hubbub.
It is funny to see liberals here defending communist regimes. Like they have any idea of what they defend. Time to grow up and enter reality.
Wow, the trolls are scared. Nice.
Castro/Gorbachev 08
bleat my little dfcommies blea
I prefer Gorby over Bush any day.
I don't like the idea of my taxes paying for some deadbeat losers health care.
Wernicke's aphasia. It's the only explaination.
Michael Moore is an unpatriotic con-man who plays fast and loose with the facts.
-Wow, the trolls are scared. Nice.
Actually, as 80% of the American public knows well, we can afford to provide healthcare for free. Using the false term "give it away" implies a giver and a receiver who are separate. Since we the American people are simply providing for ourselves, we are both giver and receiver. Poor sad trollies - they only know take. With both hands.
Time to grow up and enter reality.
Gary Ruppert
Time for Gary to stop molesting children.
It's cute watching Larry King trying to act excited about all this Beatles hubbub.
SteveLG
Paul McCartney looks across the table and says "fucks the tabs! I look great!"
Michael Moore is bias against the USA and free market.
Talk to your spin doctor today
What a slick piece. Too bad the timing on the war on drugs is the wrong.
He did not present both sides. - Gary Ruppert
Funny, neither did Tom Paine. Oh, hike your lazy ass over to CNN and check out the article where they fact-checked Sicko. They give Moore high marks for accuracy.
Don't bother to come back.
I don't like the idea of my taxes paying for some deadbeat losers health care.
Gary Ruppert
Can't be making much at McDonald's, can ya, Gary?
Gilly Gonzylon,
You owe me a beverage.
Poor sad trollies, never to know love or genuine intimacy. They used to call what happened to them "failure to thrive."
JeffCO
That's exactly what it is; such shriveled . . . spirits.
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Michael Moore is bias against the USA and free market.
Gary Ruppert | Homepage | 06.30.07 - 10:06 pm | #
is bias - LOL !
OMG, slap your parochial skool mammy
Tim Russert just ate an entire cheesecake..mmm, it was so good for Republicans.
"That would keep those meddling liberals from trying to attack our president in wartime."
How very...Scooby-Doo.
Mary, Mother of God this shit is tiresome!
What a slick piece. Too bad the timing on the war on drugs is the wrong.
smalfish
So long as the War On Some Drugs continues, there's a need for slick pieces.
elmo
Man, the trolls ARE scared...they're shitting themselves with fear.
I mean, how many more names is jack going to invent for the same retarded comments?
Michael Moore is an unpatriotic con-man who plays fast and loose with the facts
Wow the war has begun in earnest. I find it so hard to believe that these idiots are on the side of people who would see them dead before they'd pay off on a claim. Being dead is not part of the free market.
first big wave of iraqi refugees heads for US
http://ca.news.yahoo.com/s/26062...gees-
heads.html
LOL. They're following us home
liberals here defending communist regimes.
Where? When?
Mary, Mother of God this shit is tiresome! res ipsa loquitur
Saw it done much better 20 years ago in the heartstopping "I know you are but what am I" scene from Pee Wee's Big Adventure.
He did not present both sides.
Oh, sad, silly soul. He was presenting the other -- the side we're not supposed to hear about or see. The side other than the one we're presented all the time, about how ours is the only best possible system.
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first big wave of iraqi refugees heads for US
http://ca.news.yahoo.com/s/26062...gees- heads.html
LOL. They're following us home
Gilly Gonzylon
Oh, the wingnuts' heads have to be exploding.
http://www.truthdig.com/report/
i...pentagon_papers
Fascinating backstory by Amy Goodman on how the Pentagon Papers actually got published--and Sen. Mike Gravel, when still a senator, was able to get the papers into the Congressional Record which meant a publisher could get them into print with less fear of government actions against the publisher.
Wow.
People took actions back then, and were willing to pay the consequences if necessary of those actions, to fight against the war and against the excesses of the Nixon admininstration.
There actually were people in the Congress who believed in oversight and accountability. There were judges who took law breaking by government officials seriously as well.
Digby's comments today about Silverstein's LATimes column about how the press wants to accepted by and acceptable to the power elite really hits it. On top of everything esle, we have a really bad MCM* in general.
*Mainstream Corporate Media
how many more names is jack going to invent for the same retarded comments?
He thinks he's helping us stay on track. Seriously. I wish for him he'd seek professional help.
ZWhere? When?
Terry C
I told you, Wernicke's aphasia.
They know the grammatical usage of the words, but the meaning escapes them
Well, that and the onset of schizophrenia.
I'll be back later.
Saw it done much better 20 years ago in the heartstopping "I know you are but what am I" scene from Pee Wee's Big Adventure.
JeffCO
Guilty pleasure of mine, I must admit.
Oh, sad, silly soul. He was presenting the other
He supposed to be presenting our side. Meaning the average joe. You know, the heartland's side. Flyover country people.
My chromosomes have been irreparably destroyed by the recent slew of pony images on this site.
Watching "Heat" right now.
DeNiro, Pacino, Kilmer, Ashley Judd, Jon Voight.
Some FOOKIN Trool above linked to the AP article on Moore's Movie: May I?
The industry _ doctors, drug makers, hospitals, insurers _ is charged with greed and putting personal interests above patients'. Moore heard from thousands of people who had maddening and heartbreaking brushes with this system.
As chief prosecutor, Moore lets them do most of the talking and weaves their stories into the film with wit, compassion and humor.
Well, now, that sort of sounds like an endorsement to me. But, remember boys and girls, this is the Associated (Compromised) Press. The article continues . . .
But one aspect missing from the film is the defense. Do not expect to hear anyone speak well of the care they received in the U.S. On the other hand, patients and doctors from Canada, Britain, France and Cuba marvel at their health care.
And two plus two equals what? No one has ever said that you cannot receive excellent medical care in the USA. That basic premise is as stupid as a MENSA application on the President's desk! My GOD! Do they really have to burn straw men to light a fire to keep their toes warm?
Shit. Assholes. Every. Damned. One. Of. Them.
Guilty pleasure of mine, I must admit. Terry C
There should be no guilt in talking about your big but.
Oh, the wingnuts' heads have to be exploding.
Terry C - End Bush's War Now! | Homepage | 06.30.07 - 10:10 pm | #
Only being reported in Canadian and European media outlets. Heh. Wonder why. Heh.
"Mary, Mother of God this shit is tiresome!"
--res ipsa loquitur
Yes, it is. Now, if we could skip lightly over the insanity...because it is your birthday. (Are you listening people?)
The Becker/Posner blog brings home the absurdity that Posner is a senior federal judge often lauded for his brilliance
My chromosomes have been irreparably destroyed by the recent slew of pony images on this site.
Doug Watts
Don't worry, it probably only the centrioles
I don't like the idea of my taxes paying for some deadbeat losers health care.
Gary Ruppert
what a mean, stingy, greedy, heartless inhuman fuck.
btw, the movie was pretty good.
Are you listening people?)
mer
I'm working on it.
A cat is puking directly behind me. I guess I should investigate.
really bad MCM* in general.
*Mainstream Corporate Media - jawbone
I think we can go with just CM, Corpocracy's Mouthpiece.
The number of uninsured is actually a precise number. It recently went up from 42 to 44 million. That's a significant rise. Michael Moore shouldn't be playing fast and loose with this number. He said 47 million on Larry King and in the film he says 'about 50 million.'
Being dead is not part of the free market.
smalfish, tinfoil hatted | 06.30.07 - 10:09 pm
Well, actually, it is, especially in the health insurance industry. Friend of a friend got cancer, and it was fairly far along when it was found. Her insurance company continually put roadblocks in her way to getting to the kind of specialists who just might be able to help her live a bit longer. That was not economically beneficial to the insurance company. The faster she died, the better for them.
And, yes, I do not know all the details, but this seems to have been the outcome if not the strategy.
A cat is puking directly behind me. I guess I should investigate.
Doug Watts, abject Looser
i hope it has a good hmo.
And, yes, I do not know all the details, but this seems to have been the outcome if not the strategy.
jawbone
Oh, it's the strategy.
Thank Christ Leahy will be on with Fat Tim.
res ipsa loquitur
I'm looking forward to seeing Leahy on MTP. I bet Tim will ask if impeachment is on the table - tim is so in the pocket of the RNC.
before the election - Tim was very concerned about the Ds getting control of the Congress and asked the Dems who appeared on MTP if they were going to hold hearings, etc.
Tim Russert - Bought and paid for!
Thanks, mer.
Terry C,
Where is "Heat" on? Teevee? Or a DVD?
I don't like the idea of my taxes paying for some deadbeat losers health care.
Ok, it's not. Your co payment is.
I don't like the idea of my taxes paying for some deadbeat losers health care.
-Gary Ruppert
What about their kids' health care? Should children be made to suffer to punish their "deadbeat" parents?
Well, actually, it is, especially in the health insurance industry.
it has to be.
the insurance companies have a fiduciary responsibility to their shareholders.
OK, I should go see if any thing in the frige is lame, or otherwise suitable for culling out of the herd....
(I must be bored)
The number of uninsured is actually a precise number. It recently went up from 42 to 44 million. That's a significant rise. Michael Moore shouldn't be playing fast and loose with this number. He said 47 million on Larry King and in the film he says 'about 50 million.'
milt
AND WHAT POSSIBLE DIFFERENCE DOES THIS MAKE?
I saw Posner on a radio show being televised by CSPAN, during the commercial break, the host was telling him about the "convincing case" Coulter makes in one of its books about the Clintons having had somebody killed. I think it was teh Case of Encyclopedia Coulter and the Corpse at National Zoo.
Judge Posner sat there, nodding very gravely.
The number of uninsured is actually a precise number. It recently went up from 42 to 44 million. That's a significant rise. Michael Moore shouldn't be playing fast and loose with this number. He said 47 million on Larry King and in the film he says 'about 50 million.'
What matters a lot more is that at least forty million of the citizens of the richest country on earth have no health insurance. Not only is this horrible from an ethical point of view, but it also means that their care will ultimately take place in ER units and cost more than it needed to cost.
Ren Hoek: What about their kids' health care? Should children be made to suffer to punish their "deadbeat" parents?
If it's exited the vagina, or not?
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atrios likes trolls. That's all I can conclude.
see, once a customer has cancer, his policy is no longer profitable. so there is really no need to keep him around anymore.
One of my favorite scenes in
"Heat":
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i...h?
v=ix9mwmuVFw0
If it's exited the vagina, or not?
i thought you had written "excited" and couldn't figure out why.
I don't like the ide--
No one gives a fuck what you think.
Now crawl back under Unka Karl's desk... that Viagra ain't gonna last forever.
Dad said I reminded him of fish jizz.
What about their kids' health care? Should children be made to suffer to punish their "deadbeat" parents?
Ren H
I hope to heaven that Ruppert doesn't have any kids.
People like him shouldn't reproduce.
JP - Either pre- or post-vaginal. Two hyphenated words I have never before typed, and likely never will again.
I don't like the idea of my taxes paying for some deadbeat losers health care.
Lots of people here don't like the idea of their taxes paying to make dead Iraqis.
And, yes, I do not know all the details, but this seems to have been the outcome if not the strategy.
jawbone
Witnesses from inside the industry make it quite clear that your friend's experience is indeed a deliberate strategy.
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Michael Moore shouldn't be playing fast and loose with th--
Oh, blow it out your ass, Howard.
26% heh
Well, see... if the kid hasn't been born, they're all for caring for it. The second it's out of the vag, it's "Pull yourself up by your bootstraps and buck up, fucko!"
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Michael Moore shouldn't be playing fast and loose with this number.
Says jack, who plays with himself.
What matters a lot more is that at least forty million of the citizens of the richest country on earth have no health insurance.
What this means is higher property taxes because the public hospitals have to take in the "vagrants". Meaning that the county has to pick up the tab, letting every one pay the bill anyway.
NM to become the first Dobbie State!
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New Mexico has a new medical marijuana law with a twist: It requires the state to grow its own.
The law, effective Sunday, not only protects medical marijuana users from prosecution - as 11 other states do - but requires New Mexico to oversee a production and distribution system for the drug.
"The long-term goal is that the patients will have a safe, secure supply that doesn't mean drug dealers, that doesn't mean growing their own," said Reena Szczepanski, director of Drug Policy Alliance New Mexico.
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People like him shouldn't be allowed to reproduce.
Terry C - End Bush's War Now!
Fixed your typo
The number of uninsured is actually a precise number. It recently went up from 42 to 44 million
Those are CDC numbers. Why won't you quote the official US Census numbers? (Hint: I know why....)
What this means is higher property taxes because the public hospitals have to take in the "vagrants". Meaning that the county has to pick up the tab, letting every one pay the bill anyway.
Yup. The uninsured do get care, ultimately, and it is paid for by others. Sometimes taxpayers, sometimes people who buy insurance. But in both cases the care the uninsured get is often too late and more expensive than if the condition had been looked at earlier. It's almost always given at ERs, too, which bill a lot higher than ordinary physician offices would.
The number of uninsured is actually a precise number
insurance is not the solution.
Lots of people here don't like the idea of their taxes paying to make dead Iraqis.
I don't much care that my taxes pay to kill American soldiers either.
"Well, see... if the kid hasn't been born, they're all for caring for it. The second it's out of the vag, it's "Pull yourself up by your bootstraps and buck up, fucko!"
Best bootstrap story ever, at Homepage. (I really should learn tags.)
Being dead is not part of the free market.
smalfish, tinfoil hatted | 06.30.07 - 10:09 pm | #
It's gotta be one of most stange things in wingnuttia. Why do these people worship people who basically care not about them, ever, will see them dead if it profits them.
New Frank Rich, if anyone is interested
http://home.comcast.net/~veritas...s20001/
rich.htm
Lots of people here don't like the idea of their taxes paying to make dead Iraqis.
I don't much care that my taxes pay to kill American soldiers either.
smalfish, tinfoil hatted
I resent it very much!
Healthcare is not seen as a vital service that people need by Bushboy, the Goopers or conservobabblers, it's seen as a "profit opportunity."
It's a chance to make a buck by providing crappy insurance at exorbitant prices and screwing your customers by letting them die rather than pay for the healthcare they've paid premiums for.
I don't much care that my taxes pay to kill American soldiers either.
smalfish, tinfoil hatted | 06.30.07 - 10:22 pm | #
i don't care for the fact that my taxes paid for cheney's pacemaker.
I don't like my tax dollars paying for Cheney's bionic heart. I never cooked him a steak or poured cheese sauce over his homefries. Let Lynne get a second shift at the Bitch-o-Mart
The thought that people don't understand that health care for everyone in this country is not a good thing for this country is beyond me.
I don't like the idea of my taxes paying for some deadbeat losers health care.
This gets to the heart of the matter. Americans deeply psychologically and emotionally scarred are unable to experience feelings of shared humanity and generosity.
It is actually quite threatening to moneyed interests if too many of us do, therefore the scarring is deliberately promoted to serve the existing system.
How tragic that so many who are victims are manipulated into allegiance with the victimizers.
And they say they support their masters in the name of personal freedom. It amazes me . . .
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What matters a lot more is that at least forty million of the citizens of the richest country on earth have no health insurance.
Echidne of the snakes
Richest country and most morally bankrupt.
And Maureen Dowd doing W.
http://home.comcast.net/~veritas...s20001/
modo.htm
FYI, CNN is replaying the Larry King Live with Michael Moore right now.
The wingnuts who call in are a wonder to behold!
Michael Moore shouldn't be playing fast and loose with this number. He said 47 million on Larry King and in the film he says 'about 50 million.'
Let's go to the video (look! a link to a source!):
August 29, 2006
THE NUMBER OF UNINSURED AMERICANS IS AT AN ALL-TIME HIGH
Data released today by the Census Bureau show that the number of uninsured Americans stood at a record 46.6 million in 2005, with 15.9 percent of Americans lacking health coverage. “The number of uninsured Americans reached an all-time high in 2005,” said Robert Greenstein, executive director of the Center on Budget and Policy Priorities. “It is sobering that 5.4 million more people lacked health insurance in 2005 than in the recession year of 2001, primarily because of the erosion of employer-based insurance.”
Census data show that 46.6 million Americans were uninsured in 2005, an increase of 1.3 million from the number of uninsured in 2004 (45.3 million). The percentage who are uninsured rose from 15.6 percent in 2004 to 15.9 percent in 2005. The number of children who are uninsured rose from 7.9 million in 2004 to 8.3 million in 2005.
Hmm, 2005 numbers show EXACTLY what Moore reported. I wonder the chances that fewer people are uninsured two years later?
Sparkle Plenty:
That's the thing that makes me laugh about Bush's remaining fellators.
Monkey Boy and his crowd doesn't even know they're alive...and if they didn't, they wouldn't give a rat's ass about them.
The thought that people don't understand that health care for everyone in this country is not a good thing for this country is beyond me.
mer |
except of course that a vast majority do see it. as does anyone who stops to think.
the only ones who don't see it are the incredibly lucrative healthcare industry, pigheaded deadenders, and very stupid, mean, heartless jerks.
sometimes one person can fit in more than one category.
Sorry...
and if they DID, they wouldn't give a rat's ass about them.
What matters a lot more is that at least forty million of the citizens of the richest country on earth have no health insurance.
I am one of those that's right on the edge. My insurance company hates me and barely pays at all. I'm not sure that they won't drop me when renewal comes up.
And Maureen Dowd doing W.
Ew.
I know she wrote a whole book about being hard-up, but still.....
The wingnuts who call in are a wonder to behold!
Chris Tucker
The stoopid, it burns.
Btw... I am uninsured.
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Maureen Dowd doing W.
Condi ain't gonna be too happy about that.
You either care about enhancing people's health or care about enhancing "shareholder value." At some point, the two paths diverge in wood.
Marx wrote a bit about this in Das Kapital.
I don't like the idea of my taxes paying for some deadbeat losers health care.
And I don't like the idea of my taxes paying for some deadbeat loser like you to beat his 85-year-old shriveled cock off to pictures of Jane Wyman, but I have to contribute to Social Security because otherwise you'll be relegated to tuna purchased in 99-cent stores and a bag of Skittles as a treat every other week.
Americans deeply psychologically and emotionally scarred are unable to experience feelings of shared humanity and generosity.
and too stupid to realize that it is ultimately in their own best interest.
when the right thing to do is also the thing which is best for the person doing it, why do they fight so strenuously against it?
answer: stupidity and fear. played up by the media and medical industry so much that the mere words "socialized healthcare" bring images of stalinist gulags where babies are raped by orcs.
The thought that people don't understand that health care for everyone in this country is not a good thing for this country is beyond me.
Not only that, but there is a very good conservative (read heartless) case for universal coverage, too. First, it would relieve the auto industry firms which are now paying more for health insurance than for steel. The burden would be spread more equally. Second, it would improve the quality of the labor force and make the country more competitive in these new global markets (which didn't just fall upon us from the sky like manna; someone made them happen).
Let Lynne get a second shift at the Bitch-o-Mart
Jim |
Let her peddle that shitty book of hers on QVC.
All right all right. Considering what a heartless bitch MoDo is, for her: doing someone is making fun of them in print. And besides, the Rude One already said he tried taking her for the team and it did not work.
So, in a sense, she is DOING him the only way she knows how. K?
You either care about enhancing people's health or care about enhancing "shareholder value." At some point, the two paths diverge in wood.
I was gonna say, anyone who argues against better health care agues against themselves.
That's the thing that makes me laugh about Bush's remaining fellators.
It makes me cry. It's like they have Stockholm syndrome -- probably transferred from abusive environments in youth to abusive political policies and leaders as adults.
Marx wrote a bit about this in Das Kapital.
Doug Watts, abject Looser
i wrote a bit about it on albatross! as well. and mine's in english.
I don't like the idea of my taxes paying for some deadbeat losers health care.
OUR tax dollars support people like YOU.
res: relegated to tuna purchased in 99-cent stores and a bag of Skittles as a treat every other week.
This was my life, up until about six months ago. But instead of tuna, it was ramen (and pasta, when I could afford it).
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That's the thing that makes me laugh about Bush's remaining fellators.
It makes me cry. It's like they have Stockholm syndrome -- probably transferred from abusive environments in youth to abusive political policies and leaders as adults.
Sparkle Plenty
They need a daddy.
Even an abusive, uncaring one.
Btw... I am uninsured.
me too.
One of the stupidest "arguments" against universal health care is that if we have to pay more, we'll comparison shop for the best rates, and the market will keep health-care costs low.
Yes, we should go for the "cheapest" medical care. Hi, Dr. Nick!
All right all right. Considering what a heartless bitch MoDo is, for her: doing someone is making fun of them in print.
I know... but if I didn't go for the low-hanging fruit, I'd never feed.... sorry
Who pays for Cheney's pacemaker?
dirk gently: and too stupid to realize that it is ultimately in their own best interest.
How so? Poor people dying in THIS country are cool to them. Poor people dying in China raises the price of all the plastic digital shit from China, so fuck that noise, bro!
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SYDNEY (Reuters) - Australian Prime Minister John Howard is secretly planning to begin withdrawing Australian troops from Iraq by February 2008, Australian media reported on Sunday.
Dick Cheney lookalike. Heh.
I haven't had any health insurance since 1994. And then only for 2 years. If I get sick my only option is the emergency room. When I pulled my back out in Feb. 2006 I had to buy Vicodins from a local drug dealer because I have no doctor and cannot afford to go to a doctor. Because I couldn't move or be moved from pulling my back out, I couldn't go to the emergency room without calling an ambulance. Why ? Doctors don't do housecalls. So I had to buy Vics from a local drug dealer.
Well, it's a lovely saturday evening, so I'd better get back to work
atrios likes trolls. That's all I can conclude.
The banning of people by their IP address is extremely easy to circumvent. Our trolls are almost certainly using proxy servers to post. Allen Butler on occasion has boasted about being banned in the comments here as well as on his Shoelimpy blog, yet it has never stopped him from posting.
One of the stupidest "arguments" against universal health care is that if we have to pay more, we'll comparison shop for the best rates, and the market will keep health-care costs low.
except the market has to also make money, so it follows that there must be some people who must choose to forego care in preference for other more immediate necessities. if not, the price is to low - supply and demand is a heartless bitch.
SYDNEY (Reuters) - Australian Prime Minister John Howard is secretly planning to begin withdrawing Australian troops from Iraq by February 2008, Australian media reported on Sunday.
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I guess the secret is out.
dirk gently, sociopathetic -- I know it registers as stupidity, but it's really what JeffCo says above -- failure to thrive.
Just because they can't experience compassion and connection, doesn't mean we can't feel compassion for them and all they've lost and have been convinced they don't deserve to regain.
They are marred by such a deep sense of shame.
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One of the stupidest "arguments" against universal health care is that if we have to pay more, we'll comparison shop for the best rates, and the market will keep health-care costs low.
I said it on an earlier thread:
I would gladly pay higher taxes if it went to health care for everyone and social programs.
NOT for illegally occupying countries that did not attack us.
The banning of people by their IP address is extremely easy to circumvent. Our trolls are almost certainly using proxy servers to post. Allen Butler on occasion has boasted about being banned in the comments here as well as on his Shoelimpy blog, yet it has never stopped him from posting.
Richard | Homepage | 06.30.07 - 10:34 pm | #
Prolly right. 
Jesus Christ. A fair number of Atriots are uninsured.
I don't know what to say.
Why ? Doctors don't do housecalls
In Paris there is a 24-hour physician house-call service. It's free.
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SYDNEY (Reuters) - Australian Prime Minister John Howard is secretly planning to begin withdrawing Australian troops from Iraq by February 2008, Australian media reported on Sunday.
Dick Cheney lookalike. Heh.
Gilly Gonzylon
Looks like Australia is no longer willing.
When I pulled my back out in Feb. 2006 I had to buy Vicodins from a local drug dealer because I have no doctor and cannot afford to go to a doctor.
Dood!
There are other alternatives. I doubt there is a doctor that would not see you even if you had no insurance that would not lower the bill for you. Also there are some free health clinics, and colleges sometimes have low fare treatment plans. Don't do that again. You're asking for trouble.
res: relegated to tuna purchased in 99-cent stores and a bag of Skittles as a treat every other week.
This was my life, up until about six months ago. But instead of tuna, it was ramen (and pasta, when I could afford it).
That was me 15 years ago. And starting again today.
How so? Poor people dying in THIS country are cool to them.
oh, yeah, i get that. i meant from a totally selfish standpoint. each individual would actually pay less for his basic care as a percentage of his take home income.
mrs g is calling. must go.
see ya.
I would gladly enjoy a lower salary if I had no deductions from my paycheck for health insurance, and no out-of-pocket expenses when I visit the doctor.
Doctors don't do housecalls
I'm so old I can remember when they did.
Jesus Christ. A fair number of Atriots are uninsured.
I don't know what to say.
res ipsa loquitur | Homepage | 06.30.07 - 10:36 pm | #
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Hmmm ... dirty fucking hippies ?
Speaking of being uninsured.
If it wasn't for MassHealth, I'd likely be dead now.
I paid into a plan for twenty years and then had to cash into it to get
some real serious heart stuff done.
They paid for it. Guess what happened next.
Can we say pre-ex, anyone?
Our veterinarian in West Gardiner, Maine does house calls. I can tape ears to my ears and bark a lot.
res ipsa loquitur: I don't know what to say.
Is not for you to say. I work a $20/hr. gig in Nashville, which isn't good, but it's not terrible, for now. The coverage will be a chip. I haven't stopped looking for a better job (and right now, a better job might pay less, and have somewhat awesome health bennies), and until I get a contract position with the uni, I won't stop looking.
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I would gladly enjoy a lower salary if I had no deductions from my paycheck for health insurance, and no out-of-pocket expenses when I visit the doctor.
That's how the system works in many European countries. Usually also higher education is funded from the taxes so there is no need to save for college, either. Or less need than here. Whether you prefer one system or another depends on many factors.
I have excellent health insurance and I am DAMNED lucky and I know it. At this point I do not know what I would do without it: die I suppose. The procedure I had done on Tuesday was very expensive I would imagine. (hell the office call to discuss it was $300) I am guessing that it was at least 4K and probably more.
But that is not the point. Health care that SOCIETY has developed for SOCIETY should be available to SOCIETY. Not to those who happen to be lucky enough to have jobs that provide them with insurance or who are wealthy enough to afford to pay for it. THAT. IS. NOT. MORALLY. ACCEPTABLE.
(Why do the morally correct people have so much trouble with morality?)
NTodd: That was me 15 years ago. And starting again today.
Can I send you some cash, this Friday? You've sent me cash, and I am better off these days.
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I work a $20/hr. gig in Nashville, which isn't good,
Wait a second. You're bitching about a twenty dollar an hour job?
I'm going to go shop for dogs online. Thank you for the conversation everyone.
I'm always so struck by Michael Moore's generous heart when I see his movies. I come away feeling a bit more compassionate, even of our adversaries, every time.
Night, night.
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well, my $5000 deductible plan was supposed to cost $5000 a year, but then they found pre-existing conditions so they raised the price and exempted a bunch of stuff from coverage. plus i needed eye surgery, which they only covered at 80% after the deductible because it was out of network (no one locally in network qualified), and as a result my rates were going up the next year.
there was just no way i could afford to be spending close to $20,000 net on healthcare. next time i'll just go blind.
Echidne of the snakes
For the so called conservatives everyone should be in a "free market." But that doesn't seem to apply to the big corporations, banks and utilities.
In the "free market" for individuals, you have to earn your living, pay your taxes and make good on any debts you incur.
Not so in the world of the Big Money where many corporations have been found to "earn" their living by cheating or lying to their customers, where 60% of Fortune 500 corporations (according to Mother Jones mag) don't pay taxes and as far as paying their debts? That's why bail-outs were invented with the taxpayer getting stuck for the bill.
The only thing "free" about the "free market" is the "free ride" the rich get at the expense of the taxpayers.
The banning of people by their IP address is extremely easy to circumvent. Our trolls are almost certainly using proxy servers to post. Allen Butler on occasion has boasted about being banned in the comments here as well as on his Shoelimpy blog, yet it has never stopped him from posting.
I know I'm pretty much in a solid minority of one, but I don't mind the trolls. Anybody who works that hard to overcoming a ban to reveal their ignorance and hatred is aces in my book.
'kay - really leaving now.
buh-bye.
Judge Posner sat there, nodding very gravely.
Jim | 06.30.07 - 10:16 pm | #
Posner had one of the most transparent defenses of Bush v Gore. It was something like "so there".
I know I'm pretty much in a solid minority of one, but I don't mind the trolls.
Pfft, if it weren't for them, who would stalk you?
That Frank Rich column is excellent.
Thanks, DWD.
smalfish: Wait a second. You're bitching about a twenty dollar an hour job?
Not at all. You should see what my salaried co-workers take for granted, every day, though.
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Can we say pre-ex, anyone?
The term "pre-existing condition" should be an obscenity.
OT, but the local fishwrap ran a story about one of our most prominent citizens.
Apparently, she lives not to far from me. And I was just in the coffee place where she did the interview.
I think the left is trying to destroy the distinct American culture, and I think all the forced busing and the race-based quotas, affirmative action, is designed to create agitation among people... So the idea, the whole premise here that diversity works, that diversity -- and you know that that's a huge liberal premise. They love this, because they love victims, and they love minorities and they want to punish majorities, wherever and whoever they are. And because the majority, they fear has the right to hang with who they want to hang with, buy what they want to buy, to do what they want to do, it's just not right. So they want them to have misery in their lives as well...(via Roy)
If there were any justice in this country, everyone in the Bushboy regime would be in jail; including the depraved moron and his veep creep, and we would actually have a government that gave a crap about the American people.
I think the left is trying to destroy the distinct American culture, and I think all the forced busing and the race-based quotas, affirmative action, is designed to create agitation among people... So the idea, the whole premise here that diversity works, that diversity -- and you know that that's a huge liberal premise. They love this, because they love victims, and they love minorities and they want to punish majorities, wherever and whoever they are. And because the majority, they fear has the right to hang with who they want to hang with, buy what they want to buy, to do what they want to do, it's just not right. So they want them to have misery in their lives as well...
And you're a mean-spirited jackass.
Can I send you some cash, this Friday? You've sent me cash, and I am better off these days.
I appreciate the offer, dude, but keep the cash for scooter maintenance and kitty kibble. I've got a cash flow problem short-term but nothing I can't work around, and NTodd's Pa can float me some if I need it. My biggest issue is rediscovering that discipline from when I was younger and less decadent as I downsize my lifestyle--something I really should've done years ago, but was too lazy.
Res, you are welcome. The NY Times was nice enough to give me free access: the least I can do is share.
Are you enjoying your birthday? I hope so. I had a decent birthday this year. I did some of the things I like to do: I pieced together this computer I am using now with my birthday money. I also have a birthday wish for Mrs DWD now that I can resume "normal" activities (BWSEG)
Can I send you some cash, this Friday? You've sent me cash, and I am better off these days.
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Jeffraham Prestonia
i think everybody should send me a dollar.
wait, i better come back when there are more visitors.
ain't gonna go far with 69 dollars.
What I have now for health care is simple. If I get very very sick, like when I pulled my back out so bad I was paralyzed from the chest down, I get driven to the emergency room. And then I rip up the $2,000 bill they send me for giving me a prescription for pain killers. In Maine, hospitals are barred by law from denying you medical treatment. I'm sure in other states they can actually shoot you in the face. But in Maine, at least, there still is the emergency room.
I had a tooth pull a few months back. My insurance did not pay one dime. The first part cost me 1500 dollars. Now he wants to put in a post to ready it for a crown. I'm in a money crunch right now and have to debate weather I want to spend the extra 400 dollars to be knocked out, but if not it's going to cost me 2600 dollars. Then I get to pay for the crown, which I have yet to figure out how much that's going to cost me.
Anybody who works that hard to overcoming a ban to reveal their ignorance and hatred is aces in my book.
It ain't that hard. You can be back posting in less than five minutes flat.
Can we say pre-ex, anyone?
I look at all women as pre-exes. Oh, wait, sorry, wrong term...
You're bitching about a twenty dollar an hour job?
$20 an hour works out to appx. $38,000 a year before taxes. OK if you're single and living in a place like Nashville, pretty fucked if you've got kids and you're living in SF or NY (or if you're single, for that matter).
charley: i think everybody should send me a dollar.
wait, i better come back when there are more visitors.
ain't gonna go far with 69 dollars.
I'd love to get a bare minimum existence (if the Vandy gig caves in) to scoot cross-country, and photo/video/audioblog the whole shittin' thang. I'm pretty cheap, but I'd have to figure out Curly and LarryElvis...
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The only thing "free" about the "free market" is the "free ride" the rich get at the expense of the taxpayers.
Rudy - Free Woody
I've prolly written about this before (I'm an economist), but there is no such concept in economics as "free markets", not in the sense conservatives use the term. What they mean are "unregulated" markets, where anything the firms want to do goes. Supposedly the markets self-correct and self-police, so there is no need to regulate. For instance, if lots of people die from tainted Chinese medications, well, the American firms will stop importing them! See how it works?
But the power of the term "free markets" is that the conservatives mix "unregulated" markets with competitive markets. Competitive markets are something very defined and very precise in economics, and one can prove that competitive markets are an excellent thing. But the preconditions for one make them realistic in only very few cases, such as your local farmers' market. Conservatives somehow equate this case with the unregulated case and come up with something that is untrue.
What I have now for health care is simple. If I get very very sick, like when I pulled my back out so bad I was paralyzed from the chest down, I get driven to the emergency room.
Next time, do yourself a favor and see a chiropractor. It's a whole lot cheaper, and you don't need any drugs. Not to mention, they actually fix the problem!
DWD, I hope you -- she -- gets your wish. Heh.
Bday was low-key, but good.
And now it's over. So I'm gonna go to bed.
See you for Fat Tim tomorrow. I hope Leahy kicks his ass.
They love this, because they love victims, and they love minorities and they want to punish majorities, wherever and whoever they are. And because the majority, they fear has the right to hang with who they want to hang with, buy what they want to buy, to do what they want to do, it's just not right. So they want them to have misery in their lives as well...
u r stupid.
I think the left is trying to destroy the distinct American culture
The slave-owning, disenfranchised women having, child labor forcing, closeted sexuality crippling, economic disparity enforcing culture of the US? That one? You're sorry to see it go then?
they want to punish majorities
You're not the majority, Slappy.
They love this, because they love victims, and they love minorities and they want to punish majorities, wherever and whoever they are. And because the majority, they fear has the right to hang with who they want to hang with, buy what they want to buy, to do what they want to do, it's just not right. So they want them to have misery in their lives as well...
u r stupid.
It ain't that hard. You can be back posting in less than five minutes flat.
It ain't hard, true, but you still have to do more work than I do being not-banned. I admire the gumption and persistence. Plus, they remind me of a mouse I rescued from the Punkz last week...
Competitive markets are something very defined and very precise in economics
Didn't the SCROTUS just rule against this very principal?
"I'd love to get a bare minimum existence (if the Vandy gig caves in) to scoot cross-country, and photo/video/audioblog the whole shittin' thang. I'm pretty cheap, but I'd have to figure out Curly and LarryElvis..."
You could duct tape them to the top of your helmet. You know, the Mitt Romney method of pet transport.
The term "pre-existing condition" should be an obscenity.
Richard
In the US I'm pretty sure I couldn't even get insurance if I tried.
BTW, let me say a good word about Kaiser. When I needed to have a little eye procedure done (OK, it was nip-and-tuck for the bags, and I had my ass lifted at the same time!), they sent me to a specialist outside their hospital. They then paid for everything with nary a peep and no crossed wires. I then saw the out-of-the-hospital specialist for all my follow-ups, and they paid.
Honest to God, over the years I couldn't be happier with them.
with two-thirds in favor, you'd think some enterprising political party would jump on universal care.
I went away to backup my hard drive. Are the trolls gone?
Echidne,
Yes, markets are never truly free except in cases where you mentioned.
I have always had trouble with the supply side of the market coefficient. For the life of me I simply find it hard to believe in any sort of shortage. We can manufacture as much of anything that we choose to. Therefore the only scarcity that has an effect on markets would be the scarcity of raw materials or the scarcity promulgated by those who are manipulating the market. . . .
$20 an hour works out to appx. $38,000 a year before taxes.
I always thought I was in hog heaven when I was making twenty an hour. But then again, that was ten years ago.
with such great communication skillz, you'd think some enterprising troll in florida would get a job as a political consultant.
Chris Tucker: You could duct tape them to the top of your helmet. You know, the Mitt Romney method of pet transport.
Ouch.
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Are we really the richest country in the world anymore? Or is that just an illusion fostered by the massive debt load being juggled at all levels of society from the personal to the Fed gov't?
http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/...ref=slogin\">US Military: Beheading Report Was False
It is testimony to the effect of fearmongering that the Gooper Party could not only survive but flourish after Watergate and Iran-Contra scandals.
The Dems may win in 2008 but the Goopers will raise the spectre of fear (terrorists, socialized medicine and other strawmen) and will flourish again, even after the nightmare Bushboy regime and all it's criminal and egregious failures.
So they want them to have misery in their lives as well...
Project much?
We can't influence the Govt, BUT we can influence the media.
Are we really the richest country in the world anymore? Or is that just an illusion fostered by the massive debt load being juggled at all levels of society from the personal to the Fed gov't?
How can one be rich when one is almost a trillion dollars in debt?
I'd love to get a bare minimum existence (if the Vandy gig caves in) to scoot cross-country, and photo/video/audioblog the whole shittin' thang. I'm pretty cheap, but I'd have to figure out Curly and LarryElvis...
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Jeffraham Prestonian
take some pics apply for a grant. didn't work for me, but your mileage may vary.
robert frank on the road.
i've also asked around here, that didn't work out too well either. maybe if i had some more serious blog mojo...
I always thought I was in hog heaven when I was making twenty an hour. But then again, that was ten years ago.
I remember working in a tomato cannery between freshman and sophomore year in college. I had to join the union and everything, but it was worth it - paid $5.25 an hour!
My first paycheck I bought a bag of $40 colombian. I could afford it!
Next time, do yourself a favor and see a chiropractor. It's a whole lot cheaper, and you don't need any drugs. Not to mention, they actually fix the problem!
smalfish
I'll tell you what, when a chiropracter can produce a subluxation which does not produce disablement, I'll take them seriously.
Rudy: fear is all they've got, and all they've had for a while. But socialized medicine, or an American withdrawal from Iraq, are harder and harder thing to generate fear over, considering the alternatives. And they'd have an easier time if there was a single, solitary thing that they could point to that Bushies have done well, a single thing...
We can't influence the Govt, BUT we can influence the media.
We can do both.
What's so stupid is that a more "generous" system would actually cost less.
It's head-bangingly maddending.
How can one be rich when one is almost a trillion dollars in debt?
smalfish, tinfoil hatted
Good point.
Are we really the richest country in the world anymore? Or is that just an illusion fostered by the massive debt load being juggled at all levels of society from the personal to the Fed gov't?
Toonscribe | 06.30.07 - 10:54 pm | #
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We never have been. See "Full House" by Stephen Jay Gould. The U.S. has always had more and more extremely poor people than any other western country. Wealthiest uses the mean and median rather than the modal average.
(Steely Dan ain't too bad for a Saturday Night. Feels like Home considering how many Atriot names there are here)
Some other possibilities though:
Bad Sneakers and Major Dude
smalfish: I always thought I was in hog heaven when I was making twenty an hour. But then again, that was ten years ago.
Yes; in 2003, I was making $30/hour, salaried, but I was working an average of 38-42 hrs./week, too. And, I had the company store (the company owned a lot of hospitals, including about a dozen within an hour's drive) insurance. I had two sleep studies done when I worked there, and I bet my out-of-pocked for both was less than $25.
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What's so stupid is that a more "generous" system would actually cost less. It's head-bangingly maddending.
I prefer things to be groin-grabbingly good.
I always thought I was in hog heaven when I was making twenty an hour. But then again, that was ten years ago.
smalfish, tinfoil hatted | 06.30.07 - 10:54 pm | #
I made over $100K one year, and my ex strife made certain to spend every fucking penny, even on couple therapy - the subject being my complaints that she was spending us into a hole. That was an additional $1000 per month - her therapy and couples therapy.
I have always had trouble with the supply side of the market coefficient. For the life of me I simply find it hard to believe in any sort of shortage. We can manufacture as much of anything that we choose to. Therefore the only scarcity that has an effect on markets would be the scarcity of raw materials or the scarcity promulgated by those who are manipulating the market. . . .
Well, the definition of economics is as the science of how to allocate scarce resources among competing needs. This is based on the assumption that our desires will always ultimately exceed the resources. Not all economists agree with that basic definition, but most do.
Scarcity can be natural or something created. For an example of the former, oil is getting scarce now. Created scarcities exist in any markets where the firms already in it manage to keep new firms out even if there would be space for more firms.
Then there is the distinction between scarcity on a local level and internationally. Take food. There are countries where food is very scarce but we could actually feed everybody if we did the allocation on a global basis.
We can't influence the govt.
Err ... run for elected office.
How can one be rich when one is almost a trillion dollars in debt?
I thought we were almost 8 trillion dollars in debt? Under Chimpy, the US gov't has been borrowing almost, on average, about 400 billion a year IIRC.
JR: chiropractors in some studies do all right with back pain, though they don't cure it. Of course, the 'science' underlying chiropractic is hogwash. And there are some who claim to help folk with things like diabetes, which is dangerous nonsense.
We can't influence the govt.
Err ... run for elected office.
Doug Watts, abject Looser | Homepage | 06.30.07 - 10:59 pm | #
Better yet, start a lobbying firm.
Yes, I believe we are still the richest country in the world.
Not the smartest or the fittest or the sanest or the safest, and not per capita, but in overall $$, yeah.
I remember working in a tomato cannery between freshman and sophomore year in college. I had to join the union and everything, but it was worth it - paid $5.25 an hour!
My first paycheck I bought a bag of $40 colombian. I could afford it!
dave™©
I think I am a little older. My first regular job I received $2.78 an hour. And with that amount of money we could still put money in the bank for savings after paying the rent and the bills and living pretty well. Times change. (That was in '72)
I'll tell you what, when a chiropracter can produce a subluxation which does not produce disablement, I'll take them seriously.
I'm no medical expert in any way shape or form, but IIRC, what you're asking for medical science has not yet created.
There are countries where food is very scarce but we could actually feed everybody if we did the allocation on a global basis.
Echidne of the snakes | Homepage | 06.30.07 - 10:59 pm | #
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Yup. All famine on Earth is due to the failure to deliver perfectly good food to perfectly hungry people due solely to avarice and contempt.
For example, in my own yard, this year, I am growing enough vegetables for 10-20 people.
The yard is approx. 50 x 50 feet.
ProfWombat, fear is all they've got but sadly it may be all they'll ever need.
The public seems to have a very short attention span and no long term memory. The Goopers have been screwing them for decades and the American electorate keeps coming back for more.
If the Dems were more forthright and if we had a "free press" that told the truth perhaps the Goopers wouldn't get away with pulling the same scams over and over again.
So are we back to Plessy vs Ferguson days now?
What the fuck is going on?
I believe we are still the richest country in the world.
Not the smartest or the fittest or the sanest or the safest, and not per capita, but in overall $$, yeah.
Culture of TrÜth | Homepage | 06.30.07 - 11:00 pm | #
Right now, we might be the MEANEST country on the planet. And there really is no excuse for that.
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If the Dems were more forthright and if we had a "free press" that told the truth perhaps the Goopers wouldn't get away with pulling the same scams over and over again.
Rudy - Free Woody | Homepage | 06.30.07 - 11:02 pm | #
Yes. Dems in Congress are the true A list bloggers
I like my chiropractor. I went there today. He managed to put L5 back into place. It has an annoying habit of twisting and hurting like hell ever couple of months.
But my expectations are very low. I don't even like him to try the neck and upper back pain. What he has done has never helped and has, at times, actually hurt. I simply have asked him to concentrate on the one that he can fix.
Cures for diabetes and stuff? Bullshit is a better word, doc.
that's plessey, sorry.
For example, in my own yard, this year, I am growing enough vegetables for 10-20 people.
The yard is approx. 50 x 50 feet.
What about the critters? Anything I try to grow, other than herbs, is eaten here.
This is an outrage: Michelle Obama is connected to Wal-Mart. How disgusting. These people are disgusting, sleazy and corrupt, the Obama family. Trashy money to boot.
http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/20...-wal-mart-link/
http://www.chicagotribune.com/
ne...0,2859695.story
http://blogs.suntimes.com/sweet/
...e_obama_qu.html
What about the critters? Anything I try to grow, other than herbs, is eaten here.
Echidne of the snakes | Homepage | 06.30.07 - 11:03 pm |
I grew a pepper in my front yard and watched some chick steal it.
Right now, we might be the MEANEST country on the planet. And there really is no excuse for that.
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ifthethunderdontgetya™³²®©
Yeah, we are.
And no, there isn't.
What about the critters?
Them's also good eatin'...
So are we back to Plessy vs Ferguson days now?
Not quite. I think it is still illegal to segregate people by race on purpose.
You just can't try to desegregate them on purpose.
dfkj;dlkfj
NYT editorial
Abuse of Executive Privilege
true progressive
You left the "n" word out, asswipe.
JR: chiropractors in some studies do all right with back pain, though they don't cure it. Of course, the 'science' underlying chiropractic is hogwash.
All I know, is that I went to a hospital when I couldn't walk due to back pain, they did nothing but prescribe a bunch of pills.
I saw a chiropractor and within a week I was back working.
This is an outrage: Michelle Obama is connected to Wal-Mart. How disgusting. These people are disgusting, sleazy and corrupt, the Obama family. Trashy money to boot.
You know what? Be pissed off and vote for the fucking Republican canidate then. I'm tired of this shit.
Ola, Moonbats. Some nights, I feel like the luckiest woman in the whole world. Hope your evening is wonderfu.
What about the critters? Anything I try to grow, other than herbs, is eaten here.
Echidne of the snakes | Homepage | 06.30.07 - 11:03 pm | #
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Woodchucks ?
We're in an old, 1900s, compact little neighborhood in Augusta, Maine and there aren't enough fields and woods right around us for woodchucks.
That's the thing that makes me laugh about Bush's remaining fellators.
It makes me cry. It's like they have Stockholm syndrome -- probably transferred from abusive environments in youth to abusive political policies and leaders as adults.
As far as the rank and file GOPers go, the suckers who actually for vote for the dipshits, I agree.
With regards to the media fellators, it's about being a sychophant to preserve your access to power and the material benefits you derive from that access. I think folks like David Broder have always been shameless sychophants, the only difference nowadays is that the Bush administration's evil and incompetence has made it blatantly obvious that they are whores to the powerful. Their sychophancy can no longer be hidden or convincingly rationalized anymore. The funny thing is, they obviously haven't realized it yet, a consequence of being in the beltway bubble, I would imagine.
right. she quits the board of a wal-mart company after barack says he will never shop there. that is integrity. support a real democrat, not those who say one thing and do another, and then try to cover it up later.
I was too optimistic -- the US is almost 9 trillion in debt.
U.S. NATIONAL DEBT CLOCK
The Outstanding Public Debt as of 01 Jul 2007 at 02:57:54 AM GMT is:
$ 8,795,819,066,312.22
The estimated population of the United States is 302,304,756
so each citizen's share of this debt is $29,095.87.
The National Debt has continued to increase an average of
$1.05 billion per day since September 29, 2006!
true progressive,
I am squishing your head.
This is an outrage: Michelle Obama is connected to Wal-Mart. How disgusting. These people are disgusting, sleazy and corrupt, the Obama family. Trashy money to boot.
So who are you going to vote for? What are their policy positions? When are they being sainted?
Not quite. I think it is still illegal to segregate people by race on purpose.
You just can't try to desegregate them on purpose.
Echidne of the snakes | Homepage | 06.30.07 - 11:05 pm | #
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YESSS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
You said it perfectly, Echidne.
Fear is addictive.
And it can feel good. It's very ego gratifying to imagine 1 billion muslims are plotting to blow up your neighborhood.
Even more thrilling to imagine you thwarted their plans by putting a magnet on your car and sending a letter to the editor calling nancy pelosi bug eyed.
not those who say one thing and do another
"We don't torture."
Now, suck my cock.
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You left the "n" word out, asswipe.
That's bullshit.
Did you even click on any of the links?
Woodchucks ?
We're in an old, 1900s, compact little neighborhood in Augusta, Maine and there aren't enough fields and woods right around us for woodchucks.
I'm not sure what woodchucks are. I have rabbits here and squirrels and chipmunks and raccoons. One or the other eats everything I try to grow.
Echidne of the snakes | Homepage | 06.30.07 - 10:48 pm | #
I've been reading Becker/Posner blog and you have to see Nobel Prize winning Prof. Becker's analysis of the subprime loan meltdown to appreciate what a propagandist he is. He offers an entirely fact free analysis of the market as if it were made up of individuals, deals with the issue of fraud/predatory lending by explicitly assuming it is not a problem, and pretends there will not be a federal bailout of the big players in order to conclude that everything is fine and dandy. There is no place in his analysis for the fact that the market benefits banks who act as middlemen and profit from transaction costs or that many of the investors are institutional or that the lenders are sharks.
Dave Broder Wanks Again!
May I nominate Davey Boy for tomorrow's WOTD?
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so each citizen's share of this debt is $29,095.87.
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I don't have it. Not even in returnables. Not even if I sold myself on the street to passing Japanese homosexuals.
JR: chiropractors in some studies do all right with back pain, though they don't cure it.
Accupuncture has some success with temporary pain relief, too.
It doesn't mean your chi is blocked.
A whole bunch of different people over the years have done tests, sending the same person to different chiropracters. No two chiropracters could agree on a diagnosis.
because i am concerned with slave labor conditions in china, i will support either edwards or kucinich. obama is obviously profiting from the slavery in china. michelle obama and her sleazy job with a wal-mart affiliate. and then she quits after barack says he will never shop there. but he will live in a house purchased with wal-mart money. how trashy.
Republicans are deatheaters, every last motherfucking one of them.
I'm not going to vote for Clinton but sometimes I hope she wins just to drive those Republican fuckers crazy.
So who are you going to vote for? What are their policy positions? When are they being sainted?
NTodd, down with OCD
Thank you.
I was too optimistic -- the US is almost 9 trillion in debt.
Is it the foreign trade debt I was thinking was around a trillion dollars then?
so each citizen's share of this debt is $29,095.87.
Or, Paris could pay it. Really, the Mars family and a few other v. rich families can just cough this up.
profiting from the slavery in china
Name one of your heroes who don't profit MORE. Back ot up with balance sheets, motherfucker.
Or, under the porch with you.
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You just can't try to desegregate them on purpose.
Echidne of the snakes
CJ Roberts is like Colbert: He doesn't see color.
Or the real world, apparently.
I'm not sure what woodchucks are.
Echidne of the snakes
groundhogs
Large rodents
I've been reading Becker/Posner blog and you have to see Nobel Prize winning Prof. Becker's analysis of the subprime loan meltdown to appreciate what a propagandist he is.
Yup. The way to understand Becker's models is to see what he assumes away or in. It's all in the initial assumptions. You don't even have to wade through the math, because it doesn't matter.
Here are the links for those who want to read about Michelle Obama's problematic relationship to WAL-MART. Also notice why she quit: Obama said he would never shop there. WHOOPS!!!! But they still live in the house they purchased with WAL-MART money, or the profits gained from slave labor in China. Do the Obamas support slave labor in China?
http://blogs.suntimes.com/sweet/
...e_obama_qu.html
http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/20...-wal-mart-link/
http://www.chicagotribune.com/
ne...0,2859695.story
True Progressive, your deep concern has been duly noted, and will be treated with the highest regard and urgent necessity possible!
<sound effect of toilet flushing/>
Looks like it's time to fire up the BLF....
Thanks, JR. I don't have those things here yet. They may come. I saw a coyote last summer.
I'm not going to vote for Clinton but sometimes I hope she wins
I'm voting for her. I wore a shirt tonight that says, "I'm voting for Hillary. She has a vagina." No one batted an eye. I have the most amazing friends, meat and here, in the entire world.
I'm not sure what woodchucks are. I have rabbits here and squirrels and chipmunks and raccoons. One or the other eats everything I try to grow.
Echidne of the snakes | Homepage | 06.30.07 - 11:09 pm | #
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Are you in Mass. ? What town ?
Squirrels, for example, are not usually garden eaters. Neither raccoons. Skunks dig up gardens, but only to get grubs. Rabbits will nibble on stuff.
Absent woodchucks, your plant eaters may be more slug-like, as in slugs ...
But what town you're in would be helpful info.
I'm not sure what woodchucks are.
Woodchucks chuck wood! Isn't that right Chuck?
I'm not going to vote for Clinton but sometimes I hope she wins just to drive those Republican fuckers crazy.
Unrepentant Fenian
I must admit that prospect makes me smile.
How much wood would a woodchuck chuck if a woodchuck could chuck wood?
I was too optimistic -- the US is almost 9 trillion in debt.
And people still think Bush is the best thing since sliced bread.
Then Bush goes on the radio and talks about pork in spending bills. Sick bastard.
Oops. Marv Albert is moi. I just did that to do the
YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSS !!!!!!!!!
If you read the articles, you will have access to Obama's tax records.
Wal-Mart money. I am sorry, but that is really trashy.
Rmj, Sylar's Evil Twin,
Happy birthday and many happy returns of the day, you classic Cancer, you.
ProfWombat, how about a lovely night of a casual jaunt in the Pontiac towards a lovely Mexican restaurant with honest margaritas, the best handmade tortillas ever, and dancing later?
OH NOES!! KUCINICH WIFE BOT SOX AT WALMART!!!
The subprime losses have yet to translate into much more than some heightened volatility in the markets. I do think some steps should be taken to limit predatory lending (although I'm not completely sure what that is), but ultimately people should be held responsible for their investments. As someone looking for a house, I think it is incredibly unfair that those who got in over their heads should be bailed out and keep housing prices high.
I wonder if the Obamas endorse slave labor in China. There house was bought with money earned in slave labor conditions. That is disgusting.
Are you in Mass. ? What town ?
Bawston. The squirrels eat buds on my plants and tomatoes. I've seen them. They also sawed down the stems of my sunflowers, which was ironical because I was growing the seeds for them and they took the flowers down unripe and inedible.
The rabbits eat the lettuce.
Rmj, Sylar's Evil Twin,
Happy birthday and many happy returns of the day, you classic Cancer, you.
Hecate, Runnymeade Conspirator
Why, thank you!
Robert, Nice to see you so I can say HAPPY BIRTHDAY before it is gone. Happy Birthday. Have a great day, RMJ.
BTW, I even did a little three paragraph essay on the ridiculous Supreme Court decision. I blame you. (Thanks)
http://doombrother.blogspot.com
true progressive = nader troll
Wal-Mart money. I am sorry, but that is really trashy.
true progressive | Homepage | 06.30.07 - 11:14 pm | #
The lesser of two evils is less evil
- Molly Ivins attempting, in vain, to explain responsibility to dumbass American "leftists".
I'm voting for her. I wore a shirt tonight that says, "I'm voting for Hillary. She has a vagina." Hecate, Runnymeade Conspirator
Better than the BOOBS the GOP is running.
it's a machine. seriously.
OH NOES!! KUCINICH WIFE BOT SOX AT WALMART!!!
Culture of TrÜth | Homepage | 06.30.07 - 11:15 pm | #
link?
here is one link to the obama wal-mart scandal, or walmartgate:
http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/20...-wal-mart-link/
also remember that obama endorsed daley, who vetoed the big box ordinance, which would have forced wal-mart to pay a living wage to chicagoans. i see major conflicts of interest here, besides the sleazy property deal purchased with sleazy slave money.
But they still live in the house they purchased with WAL-MART money, or the profits gained from slave labor in China. Do the Obamas support slave labor in China?
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Not only that, but they live on land stolen from Native Americans who were murdered! And that's just the start of it.
why not tax the filthy-rich until they are merely rich?
RMJ, some celebratory strawberry shortcake?
How many times is true progressive going to repeat the word "trashy"?
because i am concerned with slave labor conditions in china, i will support either edwards or kucinich.
Fair enough. If I vote in the Dem primary, I'd lean toward Kucinich myself. But what if Obama wins the nomination?
I think it is incredibly unfair that those who got in over their heads should be bailed out and keep housing prices high.
roseanne
Wtf is getting bailed out? Not the poor bastards facing foreclosure!
If they're lucky, they may wind up with a renegotiated loan situation that gives them a longer time and lower payments to repay what they owe.
The only ones whoever get bailed out in this country are the rich or the corporate incompetents (who are often the same people).
ultimately people should be held responsible for their investments.
Well, I'd agree with you IF we taught people about finances, if before you could borrow a penny you had to take a course that taught you the basics. I have a bachelors degree, masters degree, and law degree and I had trouble understanding all the jargon and the math and the difference between a point and a percentage point, etc.
A walstreet journal blog?
If it's anything like their op eds you're shopping the wrong place for information.
RE: WalMart.
Robert Reich, Bill Clinton's Secretary of Labor made a good point some months ago.
For all of the bad things that can be laid at the feet of WalMart, they do allow the poor to have a better standard of living.
Do the Obamas support slave labor in China?
Bush does.
Remember when Bush first got into office and the Chinese shot down that spy plane of ours and Bush capitualted to them.
They sent the plane back in boxes after they took the fucker apart and stole the design and the intel.
Nice work "tough guy" Bush.
also remember that obama endorsed daley, who vetoed the big box ordinance, which would have forced wal-mart to pay a living wage to chicagoans. i see major conflicts of interest here, besides the sleazy property deal purchased with sleazy slave money.
true progressive | Homepage | 06.30.07 - 11:18 pm |
Concern trolls always smell like poo in the end. Go get your asshole bleached. You'll feel better.
RMJ, some celebratory strawberry shortcake?
Sallyh, Grandmere Poissonniere
Love to, but I have to get the birthday cupcakes out of the oven!
everyone always wants 25 percent more.
that's not economics but psychology. that's why advertisers always use the label 33 percent more. value added product.
if you need a chiropractor, see an orthopedic specialist.
bought with money earned in slave labor conditions
OMG!!!! The ReNAMBLAcans are CONCERNED with WAGES!!!!!
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I think it is incredibly unfair that those who got in over their heads should be bailed out and keep housing prices high.
roseanne | 06.30.07 - 11:15 pm | #
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The pre-Murdoch WSJ has had some good articles on it. One explains how the market started when an exec from Wall Street was sent to visit a California mortgage broker and sent back a report saying "people who work here have to check their ethics at the door". This was considered a recommendation by his managers.
How many times is true progressive going to repeat the word "trashy"?
Gotta catapult the propaganda.
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Boston. Hmm. You might want to try putting out lots of bird seed etc. for the squirrels. As far as the bunnies, chicken wire over the seedlings could do ... but it is more work. Woodchucks aren't right in the city. My mum is in Easton (next to Brockton) and woodchucks are common and quite frustrating.
I'll ask my brother Tim. He's the plant and garden expert.
Hecate--I totally agree but I think these classes on personal finance should be taught in high school. Every high school student should be taught how to balance a checkbook, what compound interest means for savings, basic personal finance issues. Not in college. Earlier.
If you are just arriving or missed these: these links will take you to the latest columns from Frank Rich and Maureen Dowd.
http://home.comcast.net/~veritas...s20001/
rich.htm
http://home.comcast.net/~veritas...s20001/
modo.htm
As someone looking for a house, I think it is incredibly unfair that those who got in over their heads should be bailed out and keep housing prices high.
Translation: throw those fuckers out so I can pick it up cheap at auction!
"Rudy owns bumper car airport plots"-Chuck Todd
i will probably vote for the socialist or the green for president if obama is on the ticket. sorry, but i cannot support him, especially after reading about this wal-mart scandal, which will hopefully be discussed in the nyt. i did send a chronology of events involving daley, big box, michelle obama, wal-mart and barack obama's mutual endorsements with daley to www.hillaryis44.org. i hope this becomes a central theme of the campaign.
...some celebratory strawberry shortcake?
BTW, I'm making peach cobbler.
OK, with Bisquick. But the peaches are off the tree in back!
For all of the bad things that can be laid at the feet of WalMart, they do allow the poor to have a better standard of living.
Chris Tucker | Homepage | 06.30.07 - 11:19 pm | #
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Not to be sarcastic, but how ?
Hecate--I totally agree but I think these classes on personal finance should be taught in high school. Every high school student should be taught how to balance a checkbook, what compound interest means for savings, basic personal finance issues. Not in college. Earlier.
roseanne
I agree completely.
i will probably vote for the socialist or the green for president if obama is on the ticket.
Howzabout just staying home? Thanks in advance.
They sent the plane back in boxes after they took the fucker apart and stole the design and the intel.
Nice work "tough guy" Bush.
To be fair, he did inquire as to whether or not our captured troops had bibles.
I think these classes on personal finance should be taught in high school.
It was an elective in our HS, and I took the class. Wish it were required, but I guess in the age of NCLB there ain't no doing now...
Then don't vote for Obama.
true progressive = trool retrogressive
Dave--Explain to me why someone who bought a house they could not afford should receive more sympathy in their efforts to find housing than someone who was responsible and waited to buy a house? I have no problem with banks restructuring loans voluntarily; I do have a problem with Congress pushing through billion dollar bailouts to people in over their heads. And that is precisely what some Congressmen are hoping to do.
It's always easy to sympathize with those down on their luck; but you forget about those people whose own dreams have been postponed because they were more responsible. Should they now be penalized?
Child slavery, debt slavery and white slavery are all media darlings, yet one of the most devastating types of slavery of them all goes unremarked by the press.
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i will probably vote for the socialist or the green for president if obama is on the ticket.
Why don't you just cut out the middle man and pull the Republican lever?
i will probably vote for the socialist or the green for president if obama is on the ticket. sorry, but i cannot support him, ...
true progressive | Homepage | 06.30.07 - 11:22 pm | #
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Because your purity is more important than saving Iraqi children from white phosphorous.
i will probably vote for the socialist or the green for president if obama is on the ticket.
Best of luck.
modern class in personal finance = get lots of credit cards and buy lots of shit !!!
After all, voting for that "green" candidate in 2000 worked very well!
Didn't it?
link?
Your candidate is trashy and sleazy
Hecate - loved the news clip.
i will probably vote for the socialist or the green for president if obama is on the ticket.
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would that be your "desert island pick" ???
true progressive = nader troll
Doug Watts, abject Looser
Naw, it's just fy again.
Hecate, how did the naked moondancing go? In fact I wish you would give updates after ritual gatherings, I never did hear how the Gathering for the Bees went.
Although my local bees ("my" in the sense that the live around here; I do not keep hives) seemed somewhat...different afterwards. I had been, I thought, getting them used to me sitting near their watering hole at my pond waterfall (next to the Buddah statue interestingly enough--then won't go to the identical rock on the other side.) But after that night they went back to being just as cranky as they had been before.
Their privilege. My people have not been good to theirs. And it also might be completely my imagination. 
DWD - Growin My Own | Homepage | 06.30.07 - 11:21 pm | #
Modo not bad this week, although many bloggers in these parts are much funnier and satirical.
Obama will not win the nomination. and if he does, it reveals that this country is fascist. i vote on policy and on issues, not on image and mindless emotional responses to talking points.
I do have a problem with Congress pushing through billion dollar bailouts to people in over their heads.
Including the S&Ls in the 80s? And the bankers who will reap money from their own bad investments?
roseanne: It's always easy to sympathize with those down on their luck; but you forget about those people whose own dreams have been postponed because they were more responsible. Should they now be penalized?
Turns out, it's the net-effect anyway. If you're not rich enough to buy the land you want (or hire lawyers to steal it from someone else), you should die in a cup of dig poop, and fuck the fuck off.
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roseanne
Maybe at the time they bought the home, they weren't over their heads. They could afford it at that time.
Shit happens. Why punish people because they've had misfortunes?
I guess I don't understand fascism if you think Obama is a fascist.
I think these classes on personal finance should be taught in high school.
That would be great. And Mastercard shouldn't be allowed to provide course handouts.
I just know how scary it was for me to buy a house, how afraid I was to ask a question that might mean they wouldn't want to loan me the money, how confusing the math was. And, as noted, I have some degrees, chutzpah, and access to advice. I can only imagine what it's like if English is your second language or if you have less education. It's not designed to be transparent.
If you're not rich enough to buy the land you want (or hire lawyers to steal it from someone else), you should die in a cup of dig poop, and fuck the fuck off.
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Jeffraham Prestonian
Sounds like Live Free Or Die.
Doug, off the top of my head, something as simple as a DVD player.
My player cost well over US$100 about 5 years ago. Today, I could get a player that does more than mine for US$30 at WalMart.
A decent color TV for well under a US$100.
Reich didn't go into great detail, but I suspect there's some genuine objectivity in his opinions.
Dave--Explain to me why someone who bought a house they could not afford should receive more sympathy in their efforts to find housing than someone who was responsible and waited to buy a house?
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Why are so concerned with anyone getting a micrometer more sympathy than you ?
Obama will not win the nomination. and if he does, it reveals that this country is fascist.
It's certainly likely he won't win the nom, but it doesn't reveal anything deeper about fascism than what we've already seen over the last 6 years. You might consider a different rhetorical course...
Is it the foreign trade debt I was thinking was around a trillion dollars then?
Probably. The foreign trade deficit in 2005 was 715.8 billion.
After all, voting for that "green" candidate in 2000 worked very well!
Didn't it?
Rudy - Free Woody | Homepage | 06.30.07 - 11:25 pm | #
then nominate someone we can support. i can support edwards, dodd and even kucinich. and i am willing to hold me nose for hillary. but no way will i vote for obama. NO FUCKING WAY!!!!! no more dlc rhetoric; no more triangulation; no more about the man's fucking faith; and no more michelle obama and wal-mart.
elect people we can vote for, and then you will have no reason to whine.
Obama will not win the nomination. and if he does, it reveals that this country is fascist.
Oh, shut the fuck up.
Terry C--So you think investors who bought stocks that go bad should also be bailed out? You think every small business that hits hard times should be bailed out? Or a big business at that? A house is an investment just like a stock. There are risks and you have to make sure that you put enough margin in your house investment to make it through difficult times.
Chris Tucker | Homepage | 06.30.07 - 11:27 pm | #
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That's what I thought. This ain't due to Walmart. It's due to all this stuff being made in China by people making 30 cents an hour.
no way will i vote for obama. NO FUCKING WAY!!!!!
So what?
Doug, off the top of my head, something as simple as a DVD player.
My player cost well over US$100 about 5 years ago. Today, I could get a player that does more than mine for US$30 at WalMart.
A decent color TV for well under a US$100.
Those are consumer objects and not really necessities. I'd be more interested in seeing how Wal-Mart might make groceries and medications more affordable...
it reveals that this country is fascist.
true progressive | Homepage | 06.30.07 - 11:25 pm | #
Doyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy!!!!!!!!!
Concern troll. Blow me while I shit.
why not tax the filthy-rich until they are merely rich?
gary in fl
Eat the rich
There are risks and you have to make sure that you put enough margin in your house investment to make it through difficult times.
roseanne |
Hope you never find yourself in the situation those folks are in.
Explain to me why someone who bought a house they could not afford should receive more sympathy in their efforts to find housing than someone who was responsible and waited to buy a house?
You, of course, will never be in that situation.
Fuck off.
Roseanne - I agree. Lotsa people lived the dream and voted rethug or decided it wasn't important and now find that rethug economics leaves them in deep trouble. And politically, I think its a dangerous policy.
Dems should support public housing, bankruptcy reform, tighter restrictions on fraud and deceptive contracts and no bailouts.
Is it the foreign trade debt I was thinking was around a trillion dollars then?
Probably. The US foreign trade deficit in 2005 was 725.8 billion.
IM USING ALL CAPS
HIJACKN UR BLOG
and obama's homophobic joke during the howard university debate really turned me off. more people should be outraged. but gay issues are generally ignored.
A house is an investment just like a stock. There are risks and you have to make sure that you put enough margin in your house investment to make it through difficult times.
roseanne | 06.30.07 - 11:28 pm | #
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You can't be this stupid. A house is not an investment. A house keeps your kids from being homeless. Without a house, you live out on the fucking streets.
We also shouldn't have any laws banning predatory lending practices...
So you think investors who bought stocks that go bad should also be bailed out? You think every small business that hits hard times should be bailed out? Or a big business at that? A house is an investment just like a stock. There are risks and you have to make sure that you put enough margin in your house investment to make it through difficult times.
Remember the S&L scandal? Who got bailed out in that? The government is always bailing out people who did something due to ignorance or greed, but most often they are quite well-off people.
I'm not saying that people who got mortgages they can't afford should be bailed out, necessarily. But the banks are every bit as much to blame as they handed out mortgages they knew the recipients couldn't manage.
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It's always easy to sympathize with those down on their luck; but you forget about those people whose own dreams have been postponed because they were more responsible."
It is one thing when commonsense was available and not applied. The problem is the credit culture skews the commonsense damn near from birth. In lieu of putting the breaks on someone who is in over their head, the credit companies add gasoline to the fire.
You can't be this stupid. A house is not an investment. A house keeps your kids from being homeless. Without a house, you live out on the fucking streets.
Doug Watts, abject Looser
Yep, roseanne sounds like Live Free Or Die.
I'm on Nader's Gaydar
true progressive | Homepage | 06.30.07 - 11:30 pm | #
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you write like a trool. prove you are not.
I CAN HAZ OBAMABURGER!
dave™©: You, of course, will never be in that situation.
Well, that's the thought, innit?
I never thought I'd lose my home in 2003.
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Eat the rich
JR, kerosene and a match
Eat or be eaten. And for quite a while the rich have been eating up the middleclass.
true progressive = nader troll
Allen Butler more likely than not.
The funny thing about him is that he's actually a liberal, yet is too much of a coward to come forward himself and take a genuine stand on anything. He hides behind fake troll personas because he wants us to fight his battles for him. From the Allen Butler hall of fame...
I have a long record, mostly under other names, of provoking some of the best conversations these threads have ever seen. The intellectuals in this community need a parasite to draw them out. Otherwise they just talk about alcohol, sex, and cookies.
jack | 03.31.06 - 1:41 am | #
Eschaton is a place for whiny, powerless liberals to congregate and put down other people for all the qualities they deny about themselves.
If they actually got their shit together, felt good about themselves, and actually DID something about the problems of the world, they wouldn't come here. If they weren't afraid of being honest with themselves, they wouldn't come here.
You know it's fucking true.
Summing Up Eschaton | 03.31.06 - 1:58 am | #
A house is an investment just like a stock.
Yes, indeed, I was raised under a roof made of stocks.
We also shouldn't have any laws banning predatory lending practices...
NTodd, Trashy | Homepage | 06.30.07 - 11:30 pm | #
We agree.
Hecate, how did the naked moondancing go? In fact I wish you would give updates after ritual gatherings, I never did hear how the Gathering for the Bees went.
T'was lovely tonight. This was our first moon ritual working w/ Lilith, and it focused on personal empowerment. Then a lovely grilled dinner on the deck. I am so lucky to know these women.
I did two rituals for the bees at the last moon, one with an ad hoc group of pagans organized by my friend R. and one with my own sweet circle. Since then, I've seen a few lone bees on my roses and at my gardenia, which is more than I'd seen before. The women who are sensitive to stuff like this got messages to plant "the old flowers" so some of us have been planting heirloom plants.
Interesting that yours seem to like Buddha. I was thinking someone should set up a central collection point (blog) that collects information on what the bees do seem to like, what is working.
"Maureen Dowd doing W"
She's just practising, getting ready to do Gore once he announces.
not a troll. i am a democrat, but i am antiobama. he is a sleazy chicago machine politician, and i do not trust him.
let us discuss the trade deficit, wal-mart, michelle obama, the sleazy property deal with reszko and obama's endorsement of daley, who vetoed an ordinance that would have forced wal-mart to pay chicagoans a living wage. that would be an interesting and illuminating discussion.
Yes, the mortgage lenders were aggressive. And many of these lenders are now going out of business. But this argument that people were tempted or manipulated or coerced into taking out loans bigger than they should have is patronizing and suggests that they--primarily the poor--need to be taken care of by some group of elites. The fact is that millions of us had to postpone our hopes for a home because we were responsible. Instead of rewarding that responsible behavior through letting prices adjust to levels where they should be, Congress wants to essentially provide support to keep prices from adjusting. So the irresponsible behavior gets rewarded. Makes no sense to me.
Otherwise they just talk about alcohol, sex, and cookies.
Why does he say that like it's a bad thing?
The funny thing about him is that he's actually a liberal, yet is too much of a coward to come forward himself and take a genuine stand on anything. He hides behind fake troll personas because he wants us to fight his battles for him.
or ... he could just be another lonely twisted dick
i am antiobama. he is a sleazy chicago machine politician, and i do not trust him.
So you're going to fucking beat that to death.
You made your goddamn point.
What do you want, a medal?
roseanne, I for one loved your show in the 90s.
let us discuss the trade deficit, wal-mart, michelle obama
I'll wait until you spend 20 paragraphs explaining why Cheney and Bush go to the Hague.
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And for those who think a house is not an investment--they should take a basic personal finance class themselves. It may have a dual role, but it is the single largest investment for most people in America.
let us discuss the trade deficit, wal-mart, michelle obama
let's first discuss why your "home page" thing is a dead link ...
sock puppet
this argument that people were tempted or manipulated or coerced into taking out loans bigger than they should have is patronizing and suggests that they--primarily the poor--need to be taken care of by some group of elites.
So you suggest throwing them on the street. Yes, that's not elitist at all.
And we should get rid of Social Security, too, eh?
NTodd, For most Americans, a TV IS a necessity.
A cheap DVD player provides more and cheaper entertainment than the local googoolplex, particularly if the local library offers DVDs.
Doug, NTodd, please address your questions to Robert Reich, not me. He's the one who offered the opinion.
Odd fact from wikipedia:
In 1985, Keating hired Alan Greenspan as an economic consultant, in an effort to convince an oversight agency to exempt Lincoln Savings from certain regulations. Greenspan delivered a favorable report, writing that Lincoln Savings was "a financially strong institution that presents no foreseeable risk to depositors or the government." (Greenspan produced similar favorable reports on numerous other banks that also failed soon after.)
you write like a trool. prove you are not.
Doug Watts
It is a poor, enslaved bot, yearning to be free. It cannot help itslef, the spew is that of it's twisted masters, it would rather be hawking co-ed lesbian porn to underage teens.
FREE THE BOTS!
We also shouldn't have any laws banning predatory lending practices...
NTodd, Trashy
Ummm, I don't actually think we have any laws governing predatory lending practices anymore. If we ever did they have either been erased or forgotten about over the last six years.
And for those who think a house is not an investment--they should take a basic personal finance class themselves. It may have a dual role, but it is the single largest investment for most people in America.
Yes, but that dual role makes it not your usual investment, so don't conflate it with stocks, for fuck's sake.
not a troll. i am a democrat, but i am antiobama. he is a sleazy chicago machine politician, and i do not trust him. let us discuss the trade deficit, wal-mart, michelle obama ... - true progressive
ahh, a window into the good democrat - all about the issues
jeez do we need to repost old troll postings in a troll thread
But this argument that people were tempted or manipulated or coerced into taking out loans bigger than they should have is patronizing and suggests that they--primarily the poor--need to be taken care of by some group of elites.
Not patronizing. Getting a mortgage involves lots of complicated stuff that most of us don't understand easily. I relied on my banker to check that I could afford the mortgage, and I'm pretty knowledgeable about interest rates and so on.
And for those who think a house is not an investment--they should take a basic personal finance class themselves. It may have a dual role, but it is the single largest investment for most people in America.
roseanne | 06.30.07 - 11:35 pm | #
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A house is an investment in the sense that food is an investment. It is a necessity, unless you support massive government-subsidized public housing projects, which I suspect you do not.
i did not realize the link is dead. i will have to correct this.
but let us discuss slavery, michelle obama's relation to and advocacy for that slavery in china, the trade deficit, outsourcing, wal-mart, obama's mansion, the endorsement of daley and daley's veto of the big box ordinance, which creates near slave conditions of work in chicago. all of this is related, and all of it is relevant, as workers in chicago will never be able to afford homes.
and let us discuss how michelle obama is the pivot around which all these issues spin.
For most Americans, a TV IS a necessity.
(raises hand sheepishly)
Yes, but that dual role makes it not your usual investment, so don't conflate it with stocks, for fuck's sake.
NTodd, Trashy | Homepage | 06.30.07 - 11:36 pm | #
I saw the word conflate and I got excited
I do think that roseanne is just another Libertarian Who Fucking Sucks.
and let us discuss how michelle obama is the pivot around which all these issues spin.
true progressive
What....a.....tool!
La Cosa Nostra--Unless you are buying derivative contracts on frozen concentrated orange juice, food is NOT an investment.
NTodd, For most Americans, a TV IS a necessity.
How is it a necessity?
A cheap DVD player provides more and cheaper entertainment than the local googoolplex, particularly if the local library offers DVDs.
Still not a necessity. Oddly enough, when I was growing up we didn't even have VHS!
Doug, NTodd, please address your questions to Robert Reich, not me. He's the one who offered the opinion.
He's not here. You are, and I'm more interested in what YOU think, anyway.
I do think that roseanne is just another Libertarian Who Fucking Sucks.
Chris Tucker | Homepage | 06.30.07 - 11:37 pm | #
Perhaps, but her 90s show was funny, and John Goodman was good, man.
this argument that people were tempted or manipulated or coerced into taking out loans bigger than they should have is patronizing and suggests that they--primarily the poor--need to be taken care of by some group of elites.
So you suggest throwing them on the street. Yes, that's not elitist at all.
And we should get rid of Social Security, too, eh?
NTodd, Trashy
Did anyone else happen to watch the movie, MAXXED OUT? Those images are still floating in my head: the gleeful loan collectors, the woman who killed herself, the young people who killed themselves over credit card debt - the predatory lending practices toward the uneducated. . . Great fucking country this one. Made me Proud to be an American.
My show was really funny.
$51,200 from Wal-Mart for Michelle Obama. That is a real issue. Just who does she think she is? And then her husband claims he will not shop there. But he will certainly live off of the profits, profits gained by slave labor in China.
So the irresponsible behavior gets rewarded. Makes no sense to me.
roseanne
Please stfu! You haven't a clue about what you're saying.
Rich corporations and Gooper politicians have been manifesting criminal behavior for years while being continually rewarded (Big Oil, Big Pharma, Big Insurance, etc.).
Some people bought homes on two paychecks and then one of the paychecks got downsized. Then there are the predatory lenders.
The Fed Reserve (who work for the Big Banks and Wall St.) sets interest rates so if you want to bitch take it to them.
you have to make sure that you put enough margin in your house investment to make it through difficult times.
That's an interesting idea, but difficult to implement. I have a fixed 30-year mortgage that I pay off as if it were a15-year mortgage. IOW, I went on the web and found calculators that showed me how much extra to pay a month in order to pay my mortgage off in 15 years. So every month I pay off some extra principal and, in the end, I'll pay a lot less interest than if i paid the mortgage off over 30 years. But every month, in spite of the extra principal payments, I get a new bill. The only way for me to "make it through difficult times" is to, as I do, have almost a year's worth of salary in the bank so that, if I lost my job, I could still make my mortgage payments for a year. By 8 or 9 months, I'd be terrified and would have to put my beloved home and garden on the market and hope to sell for at least what I owe. This is a rigged game and it's foolish to pretend that it isn't.
Do not be afraid, little bot, we want to help you. You can chatter freely here.
Too bad Tom Arnold left me for a cutie.
DWD--I hope you have the same level of sympathy for the Wall Street guys who lost everything in the dot.com bust, lost their homes, and were desperate or committed suicide. Oh, wait, people who make money are bad...that's right.
But this argument that people were tempted or manipulated or coerced into taking out loans bigger than they should have is patronizing and suggests that they--primarily the poor--need to be taken care of by some group of elites.
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Stop shilling. Salespeople are trained to appeal to peoples' vanity and their lack of self-esteem, which are essentially the two sides to the same coin. For this reason, in recent years, many people have been cajoled and deceived by salespeople into taking on much more debt than they could afford. The salesperson wins on the deal, they get the commission. The downside won't happen for at least a few years. By that time the salespeople will be long gone. This is predatory lending. It's called LOAN SHARKING.
and let us discuss how michelle obama is the pivot around which all these issues spin.
Oh, is she running, too?
I'd rather discuss policies. Tell me why Kucinich is a good choice. I want to hear more about him since I find him the most aligned with my values of nonviolence. What other positive policy statements can you make supporting him?
you have to make sure that you put enough margin in your house investment to make it through difficult times.
Must be nice to have everything in life all worked out....nothing ever go wrong.........
hmmmm, food fight in the middle school cafeteria.
Mrs. Obama didn’t put it that way, of course. “As my campaign commitments continue to ramp up, it is becoming more difficult for me to provide the type of focus I would like on my professional responsibilities,” she said in a statement.
ust how big a deal was that for the campaign? Earlier this week on Tucker Carlson’s MSNBC show, columnist Lynn Sweet mentioned the Obama connection: “By the way, in Trenton last week, Barack Obama proclaimed that he will not shop at Wal-Mart. His wife is on the board of a company that is a vendor to Wal-Mart. Wal-Mart could emerge as a second or third issue. It’s a litmus test of something.”
And people call this "New Politics?" What a joke!
DWD--I hope you have the same level of sympathy for the Wall Street guys who lost everything in the dot.com bust, lost their homes, and were desperate or committed suicide. Oh, wait, people who make money are bad...that's right.
roseanne | 06.30.07 - 11:41 pm | #
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Fucking trool. Leave. Now.
Oh, wait, people who make money are bad...that's right.
roseanne
Oh, man - Live Free Or Die's soulmate.
Rudy--You are against the Federal Reserve? You think they are evil, too?
Sickest capitalist game show:
The Price is Right
Made me Proud to be an American.
DWD - Growin My Own
I stopped being a proud American during the Vietnam War. But I wasn't truly ashamed until Bushboy brought about the Iraq tragedy.
roseanne = true progressive = allen butler
His wife is on the board of a company
Yes, because she SHOULD be like all the GOP wives and stay in her place.
Kucinich made the most comprehensive statements about trade during the Howard University debate, as did Edwards. But Obama failed. And I am not surprised, given his wife's deep ties to WAL-MART.
http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/20...-wal-mart-link/
roseanne = true progressive = allen butler
La Cosa Nostra
Three stupid assholes in one.
"true progressive" bot, you can be free to spam the channels with offers hot BDSM action again. We can find you a new server. Let us help you.
His wife is on the board of a company that is a vendor to Wal-Mart.
Wow, what an unbelievably close connection. That disqualifies Obama for sure.
Terry C/La Cosa Nostra--Typical strategy. No defensible ideas of your own so you resort to Anne Coulter tactics of jumping up and down and spitting out what you think are insults.
watch nancy pelosi yuk it up at the "no WMDs under here" dinner:
http://video.google.com/videopla...earch&
plindex=7
I stopped being a proud American during the Vietnam War. But I wasn't truly ashamed until Bushboy brought about the Iraq tragedy.
Rudy - Free Woody
I stopped being a proud American the day Monkey Boy was permitted to steal the 2000 election.
Rudy--You are against the Federal Reserve? You think they are evil, too?
roseanne
The Fed. Reserve is a scam. It is nothing but a cartel of the Big Banks and Wall St. so they control interest rates, monetary flows and arrange for taxpayer bailouts to reimburse banks for dubious loans made to dubious companies.
I would abolish the Fed. Reserve in a NY minute!
NTodd, if one is poor, one is likely not enjoying a really fun life.
And frankly, I'm not going to tell someone who is even poorer than I that their TV/DVD player is not a necessity.
If a TV or DVD player can make someone's life more bearable, or can provide a modicum of entertainment/diversion/education, then I'm all for it.
Being poor in America is hard enough. If someone gets a few hours of pleasure from the ball game on a Sunday, or Star Trek reruns, or watching PBS, then yes, the TV is a necessity.
If they can borrow Discovery Channel/History Channel/PBS DVDs from the local library, then who are you or I to proclaim that the DVD player is just a consumer item and not a necessity for them?
It just shows that these are people of very low integrity. Denigrate Wal-Mart in public while enjoying the money your wife earns from that company. What a joke.
Did you know? (you liberal scum)
Michelle Obama is running for First Lady, goddammit!
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Terry C/La Cosa Nostra--Typical strategy. No defensible ideas of your own so you resort to Anne Coulter tactics of jumping up and down and spitting out what you think are insults.
roseanne
Not so - I am VERY interested in your ideas.
I would like to subscribe to your newsletter.
Kucinich made the most comprehensive statements about trade during the Howard University debate, as did Edwards. But Obama failed. And I am not surprised, given his wife's deep ties to WAL-MART.
Here's a challenge: share 3 policy positions that you think would make Dennis K a good president WITHOUT mentioning Wal-Mart, Obama or his wife.
the money your wife earns from that company
What a misogynistic fuck this troll is.
Are we still troll-infested?
Oh, is she running, too?
I'd rather discuss policies. Tell me why Kucinich is a good choice. I want to hear more about him since I find him the most aligned with my values of nonviolence. What other positive policy statements can you make supporting him?
NTodd, Trashy
Why you hafta go ruining a good attack with logic?
What a misogynistic fuck this troll is.
What Terry C. said.
Rudy--So, you think we should allow Congress to control the money supply? You think we should go back to the Wildcat Banking of Andrew Jackson? You admire systems like in, oh, Argentina? Venezuela? Places where politicians, with all of their political agendas, control price pressures?
Are we still troll-infested?
JR, kerosene and a match | Homepage | 06.30.07 - 11:47 pm | #
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Someone threw a toothpick in the urinal.
Crabs polevault.
Here's a challenge: share 3 policy positions that you think would make Dennis K a good president WITHOUT mentioning Wal-Mart, Obama or his wife.
NTodd, Trashy
I'd like to hear those myself.
DWD--I hope you have the same level of sympathy for the Wall Street guys who lost everything in the dot.com bust, lost their homes, and were desperate or committed suicide. Oh, wait, people who make money are bad...that's right.
roseanne
I actually have no problem with people making money. I know a lot of people who have made a lot of money. A lot of my friends have made a lot of money. But, as far as I know, NONE of my friends have made their money by exploiting people who did not know any better. (If they did, they would not be my friends. Acquaintances is about it)
Money is not evil in an of itself. It is the need to acquire money at any cost that is. If you are a great writer or musician or physician or lawyer or plumber or electrician or body shop man or carpenter or teacher or anything else and people are willing to pay you big bucks to work for them: good. In most cases those who are good at something share their wealth with other people who tend to be good at things as well. It is a nice system.
I assume that everyone saw this?
NTodd, if one is poor, one is likely not enjoying a really fun life.
When my family was poor, we enjoyed a fun life.
And frankly, I'm not going to tell someone who is even poorer than I that their TV/DVD player is not a necessity.
I am. They may want it, but they do not need it to live. One of my friends is homeless in Montpelier. Somehow he manages to find news and entertainment and even time to blog without owning more than what can fit in a cardboard box.
If they can borrow Discovery Channel/History Channel/PBS DVDs from the local library, then who are you or I to proclaim that the DVD player is just a consumer item and not a necessity for them?
Oddly enough, they can do that at most libraries without even bringing the stuff home.
It's time we set the phasers to "ignore".
The trolls all day today have been pathetic to the max.
I wonder why that is.
I assume I'm goin' to bed (the latest time in weeks)!
♥
back in the day, roseanne had large, voluptuous natural breasts. sort of like a trailer park bjork who liked bike gang pig roasts ...
TreeHouse is a food manufacturer servicing primarily the retail grocery and foodservice channels. Its products include pickles and related products; non-dairy powdered coffee creamer; private label soup, infant feeding products, and other food products including aseptic sauces, refrigerated salad dressings, and liquid non-dairy creamer. TreeHouse believes it is the largest manufacturer of pickles and non-dairy powdered creamer in the United States based on sales volume.
Damn you, Michelle Obama! You are worse than ten Hitlers! How dare you serve on the board of directors of this company! How dare you resign from that board back in May!
Places where politicians, with all of their political agendas, control price pressures?
aka America 2007
Damn. NTodd, I sent you a private e-mail to that paxamerica address. Damn .
I'm finding I like Obama more and more now...
Here's a challenge:
NTodd
Please, NTodd, you know that the porr little bot cannot do that, the slave owner can only lobotomize, not re-train.
I assume that everyone saw this?
Hecate, Runnymeade Conspirator | Homepage | 06.30.07 - 11:49 pm | #
Joe Scarborough is such a dick.
Typical strategy. No defensible ideas of your own so you resort to--
I see my namestealer is stealing another name.
On your knees, bitch! Worship my shiny rod!!!
Hecate--How is it that politicians control prices? I mean, the head of the NY Fed was the Under Secretary of the Treasury under Clinton. Janet Yellen of the SF Fed is from the Clinton years. These are balanced people who recognize that their job is maintaining price stability.
hello, dears. Spent today w/gdtr, who her hospice nurse refers to as the "Warrior Princess".
Which she is.
I assume that everyone saw this?
Hecate, Runnymeade Conspirator | Homepage | 06.30.07 - 11:49 pm | #
Yes! WATCH WATCH WATCH !
Screw you !!!
Places where politicians, with all of their political agendas, control price pressures?
aka America 2007
Hecate, Runnymeade Conspirator
I owe you a drink, Goddess.
You took the words right out of my mouth, so to speak.
A vote for the Obamas is a vote for WALMART. I will vote for a true Democrat, thank you very much.
NTodd,
I'd like him more if he'd quit the religious pandering. I have a dear friend working for him who says that he's an amazing human being.
roseanne,
You are clearly an unintelligent, uninformed person with no scruples or none worth having. I do not communicate with people of your ilk since trying to educate your type has proven futile since time immemorial.
Good-bye. Good luck and go fuck yourself!
Oh, man - Live Free Or Die's soulmate.
I could use some new tofu recipes, that's for sure...
paxamerica sounds like a UPS competitor.
just saying ...
I will vote for a true Democrat, thank you very much.
"Do you think they believed me, Mr. Rove?"
Night, 'bats
Keep 'em flyin'
A vote for the Obamas is a vote for WALMART. I will vote for a true Democrat, thank you very much.
true progressive
No one is telling you who to vote for.
Please extend that courtesy to the rest of us here.
"I stopped being a proud American the day Monkey Boy was permitted to steal the 2000 election."
Terry C - End Bush's War NowMaureen Dowd doing W
Yup. 12/11/00. That's the day and the event that changed everything, not 9/11.
Don't chase the trolls away! I want to hear more about the Obama's non-dairy creamer conspiracy.
Meat people, this bot is very far gone, I believe it may not have any memory of it's former life at all.
It would be kindness itself to delete it.
"I stopped being a proud American the day Monkey Boy was permitted to steal the 2000 election."
Terry C - End Bush's War NowMaureen Dowd doing W
Yup. 12/11/00. That's the day and the event that changed everything, not 9/11.
mike in pr |
Yep. I thought that kind of shit was supposed to happen in third world countries, not in America.
Did I mention spending last night with my boyfriend Lewis Black at our old alma mater? I'm sure that, from row U, he could see the invitation for oral sex in my eyes. I haven't laughed so hard for so long in years and years.
I loves Lewis Black, too, Goddess.
I'm sure that, from row U, he could see the invitation for oral sex in my eyes.
I couldn't convince the judge that such invitations actually exist.
Lewis Black is the best. I love his skit on how gays are destroying the family by sneaking into their houses, fucking each other in the ass, and "another family has been destroyed."
Hecate, Runnymeade Conspirator | Homepage | 06.30.07 - 11:56 pm | #
He saw it. Oh, he saw it.
NTodd, seriously, are you being a dick deliberately, or are you really serious?
found the white woman . upstairs
Speaking of libraries, I checked out "The Concert for Bangladesh" and "It Came From Outer Space" on DVD from there today.
Eyed "1776", but was really hoping for "Yankee Doodle Dandy"!
A vote for the Obamas is a vote for WALMART. I will vote for a true Democrat, thank you very much.
true progressive
Thank you for clearing that up. I'm going to vote exactly like you do. Please let me know in advance.
Thanks.
I want to hear more about the Obama's non-dairy creamer conspiracy.
Intriguing! Is there a newsletter?
Terry C,
He was so funny that it hurt. Our high school has only had 4 principals since it opened and his old principal, the first at our school, was there. Near the end, Black told a joke that involved the line, "So she decided to suck his cock." He looked up to his old principal and said, "I've waited a long time to say those words on this stage." I was laughing so hard that I thought Son was going to have to carry me out of there.
7/18/64 was the day when everything changed in America.
It was when Nelson Mandela was sentenced to life in prison at Robbens Island Prison, South Africa and when I was born: fat, bald and stupid.
And as soon as Obama is not the Takedown Target O' the Week, fy under one of his other names will be back with the talking points against another Democratic contender for some other list of Lapses from Populist Purity. Christ, people, he was here ranting on Edwards a couple of months ago with practically the same spiel.
He's probably got a sheet ready to go for every candidate currently declared. Mike Gravel didn't do enough to publicize the Pentagon Papers (even though he was very nearly singlehandedly responsible for putting them in the public domain in the first place.) Kuchinich once turned down a phone solicitation for the Ohio Humane Society so he's as bad as Mitt Romney driving with the dog on top of the car. And on and on.
The one thing I can't quite figure out is if he's a genuine Naderite or just a fucking Republican stooge. I'd say the former but I think the last one of those went extinct in a zoo someplace in '01.
Damn. NTodd, I sent you a private e-mail to that paxamerica address. Damn .
Oops. Well, I deleted from the web interface so it won't be archived or anything.
And you have a reply.
I am the Eye of the Tiger.
Quite an entrance Tiger.
Now what tricks are you going to do for us?
NTodd, seriously, are you being a dick deliberately, or are you really serious?
How am I being a dick? By noting that a human being does not need a TV to live? That I'd like to see Wal-Mart improve lives by helping with food and medicines rather than consumer items?
Jesus fuck.
Hey, sarah: nothing more important than your warrior princess, right now. All the best to her and those who care for her...
Oddly enough, they can do that at most libraries without even bringing the stuff home.
NTodd, Trashy
I'd rather watch DVDs in my own home and on my own TV set.
I'd rather watch DVDs in my own home and on my own TV set.
Yes, that's a preference. That's not a necessity.
Have we really all forgotten as Americans what is necessary and what is a consumer item?
It's past the witching hour. Time for me beauty sleep. Cyall in the morn...
"Have we really all forgotten as Americans what is necessary and what is a consumer item?"
Dude, IPhone! Ring Tones! SMS!.
That I'd like to see Wal-Mart improve lives by helping with food and medicines rather than consumer items?
Yes, you are being a dick -- by defining necessity in such spartan terms. I mean, if you won't to define necessity to what is essential to sustain life, then the fucking libraries you laud should be closed. You can't eat a book. "I'd like to see libraries improve lives by helping out with food and medicine rather than reading matter."
Dude, IPhone! Ring Tones! SMS!.
I hear that siren song, but I had the Pack tie me to the mast and put wax in their ears so they'd ignore my cries...
sheets
I see the Below Average Voter, also known as the Racist Bitch, has returned under the guise of a "true progressive". Now, who here is voting for Michelle Obama for what office? Oh, she isn't running for office? You mean the true progressive is bashing Obama because he's a minority? true progressive is neither. just another tool.
won't to define
want to define
Steve Simels and I regret the error.
Yes, you are being a dick -- by defining necessity in such spartan terms. I mean, if you won't to define necessity to what is essential to sustain life, then the fucking libraries you laud should be closed. You can't eat a book. "I'd like to see libraries improve lives by helping out with food and medicine rather than reading matter."
No, I'm not being a dick. I've observed that there are things that can help people without their need to own something. They can then use such money to invest in healthcare, housing, food, etc.
We as a society can collectively assist people to have better quality of life rather than having individuals buy into a consumerist society. And yet, I'm not saying that people shouldn't want to have nice things or enjoy life: I simply noted that TVs are not necessary to live and I'm more interested in other measures of quality of life.
That would include: do people have enough money to eat healthfully so they aren't going to McDonald's all the time, becoming obese and having the associated health issues that negatively impact quality of life?
I was talking about this rather reasonably and I'm getting called a dick. Weird.
And note I made no judgement about anybody's decisions to own a TV. I just don't like the notion of defending a rather destructive corporation by saying people can get cheap TVs.
There is no necessity for a TV, and, in fact, the existence of one in virtually every household has made us into what we are today: lazy, gullible, overly comfortable and ignorant. There is nothing positive about using TV, DVDs or anything like that to substitute for a fulfilling life. This is how the Right has achieved its dominance, by making credit easy and shiny objects desirable. There is scarcely a single one of us here who wouldn't benefit in measurable ways from giving up television, especially now, with our web and the level that mass media has sunk below. Television and technology is being used as a weapon against thinking and creativity.
Obama is not fit to be president imo. His wife has noting to do with it.
(Greenspan produced similar favorable reports on numerous other banks that also failed soon after.)
Why was he passed thru a dem congress to be the top guy?
Ahh, never mind. I can't think, and I can't type anymore. I'm going to bed.
Richard Rorty once showed up in comments on the leftist blog Left2Right to defend Richard Posner. For some reason this guy is given legitimacy. Like Gary Becker and the so called Virginia political economists all their work is reactionary clowning dressed up in mathematics.
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