I'MMA LET YOU FINISH
Impeach the lot of 'em!
"President Pelosi" sounds very nice.
Jus' remember, Democrats have MORE FUN!
[Calls for a substitute runner.]
Golden Years, my ass.
That's nothing. What they really don't want you to know is
im-peach
Nice editorial by Frank Rich @ NYT followed by something even better...
Maureen Dowd and Thomas L. Friedman are off today.
.
Nothing this administration has done would lead reasonable people to conclude that they might be doing creepy things in secret.
Paranoid fucken moonbat crazies.
Poop.
.
SciFi schlock film is based on reality.
The desert shooting location for DeMille's "The Ten Commandments" WAS lost for the better part of the 20th Century, and is now being excavated as a proper archeological dig site.
I was just being hateful earlier.
Filipino joke about the notorious confiscations and aquisitions Imelda Marcos made during Hubby's reign.
What is the First Lady's favorite industry?
Mining.
Why?
Everwhere she goes, "That is mine, and that is mine, and that, too, is mine."
The other program is Total Internet monitoring.
Have you ever had a hemmorroid?
There's bound to be a pony under all the horseshit.
.
The other program is Total Internet monitoring.
Dear NSA:
George W. Bush is an utter tool.
That is all.
Love,
Harry Doghiney, formerly known as Scrool Trool, formerly known as No one special
Maureen Dowd and Thomas L. Friedman are off today. . Agent Orange
They are off every day, like milk left out of the refrigerator for too long.
Maureen Dowd and Thomas L. Friedman are off today.
...pretty much every day...
...ok, bo, here's some nice chilled Pedialite for your dehydration...
Jack K,
Yes I would like a Seething Webb.
Um, Buckeye, what I'm saying is that flying to New Zealand and back twice a year pretty much ends any chance that we'll get climate change under control.
Moe Szyslak, hating coal | Homepage | 07.28.07 - 9:25 pm |
You prefer sailboat? Steamer?
the flights are already scheduled. It's not like I'd be renting a plane.
My guess is that they were spying on democratic candidates.
All of them.
Who wrote the theme song to Dragnet?
"Have you ever had a "hemmorroid?"
If by "hemmorroid", you mean Toby Petzold, then yes. Yes, we've ALL had hemmorroids.
Helluva run, bo.
...first the Pedialite, bo. Then the Seething Webb...
It's for your own good...
SciFi schlock film is based on reality.
The desert shooting location for DeMille's "The Ten Commandments" WAS lost for the better part of the 20th Century, and is now being excavated as a proper archeological dig site.
Oh, nice.
Hot science babe was in Serenity.
the flights are already scheduled. It's not like I'd be renting a plane.
Buckeye
BZZZZZZ. WRONG!
The flights are scheduled because they expect people to buy the seats. People stop buying the seats, they schdule fewer flights.
Who wrote the theme song to Dragnet?
bo
Frank DeVol?
Who wrote the theme song to Dragnet?
It's the tune Jack Webb used to hum while masturbating to pictures of John Birch.
That's a little known fact.
My guess is that they were spying on democratic candidates.
I think they were spying on Republicans in Congress, too, to find out what they wanted to hide so they could keep 'em in line. It would kind of explain everything, wouldn't it?
What's scary about Maddie is her TAIL is getting bigger.
How is that possible?
My guess is that they were spying on democratic candidates.
All of them.
Ayup.
Gonna make Watergate look like someone overhearing a conversation.
Well, 'how they were searched' probably wouldn't be remarkable.
How they were used, tho....
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Like Josh said, data mining could be a lot of things, and whatever it is could tie into other scandals (anything from Cheney's defense meetings through black box voting). Not to don the tinfoil or anything.
The first known assertion by administration officials that there had been no serious disagreement within the government about the legality of the N.S.A. program came in talks with New York Times editors in 2004. In an effort to persuade the editors not to disclose the eavesdropping program, senior officials repeatedly cited the lack of dissent as evidence of the program’s lawfulness.
(This is what really pisses me off. Risen had the goods in late Septemember/early October 2004). It could have changed the election.
Walter Schumann is credited w/ original music for the dragnet series in the 50s, i suppose that includes the theme.
Hot science babe was in Serenity.
Oooh, who? Summer? Jewel? Morena? Gina?
I think they were spying on Republicans in Congress, too, to find out what they wanted to hide so they could keep 'em in line. It would kind of explain everything, wouldn't it?
Yeah, it really would.
"My guess is that they were spying on democratic candidates."
seems only the least connected/ignorant/most conspiratorial are allowed to think this/that 6 yrs ago.
It's for your own good... -Jack K
Know anyplace to get synthetic spinal discs at a discount?
What's scary about Maddie is her TAIL is getting bigger.
How is that possible?
fourlegsrgood, got pitchfork?
There was a mistake at the factory?
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Oooh, who? Summer? Jewel? Morena? Gina?
I can't remember her name in the film- she was the chick that Nathan Fillion was in love with.
yup. from imdb:
"Theme From Dragnet (Danger Ahead)"
Composed by Walter Schumann
fourlegsrgood: How is that possible?
You didn't use the banzai jar!
.
Hot science babe was in Serenity.
Better than than Vitter in Luvs.
I can't remember her name in the film- she was the chick that Nathan Fillion was in love with.
Oh, fucking Inara, the Companion. Yeah, I'd hit it.
I pooped.
There was a mistake at the factory?
I think this kitten chow is a little TOO good.
I'm looking at her laying on the floor here and her tail looks like it's puffed up. But it's not.
My guess is not only were they spying on Democratic candidates, they were also spying on businesses/corporations. They being paid/bribed by some of their business friends to spy on their competitors, or they were obtaining information to play the market.
What's scary about Maddie is her TAIL is getting bigger.
How is that possible? - fourlegsrgood, got pitchfork?
Hmmm, better take a closer look at her markings, someone my have stuck you with a snow leopard kitten.
I think this kitten chow is a little TOO good.
I'm looking at her laying on the floor here and her tail looks like it's puffed up. But it's not.
You're supposed to feed it to the cat.
Culture of Truth,
Still here?
You said below:
It was Bruno what prevented Mario from ruling the free world in 1992.
Culture of TrÜth
So why is Andrew Cuomo doing anything to help this bada bing bastid?
What Mortimer said.
Ayup.
Gonna make Watergate look like someone overhearing a conversation.
Scholars are gonna have decades of material from these clowns.
Everytime I hear about the late night visit to Ashcroft in the hospital I think of Michael Corleone wheeling Don Corleone out of his room into the stairwell landing and the poor shmuck on the front steps who has to turn up his collar and make it look like he's holding a gun.
.
Some of the artifacts discovered were coins specifically minted for use in the film.
They're dated.
"(2 digit year)B.C."
may have stuck
Perhaps they were recording every phone call made by every American. Everything you have said on a land or cell phone for the past 4 years could be in some digital storage building in the NSA basement, waiting categorization and digital transcription. In the not too distant future you will be able to look up anyone in a search engine and see a transcript of every phone call they made since 2,002. I hope this is the premise for a bad science fiction novel and not fact, but it seems possible to me.
and things get curiouser re pat tillman's murder. why would a chaplain plant the idea that tillman was an ingrate -- via nyt:
A chaplain who debriefed the entire unit days after Tillman's death later described this exchange to investigators conducting a criminal probe of the incident. But O'Neal strongly disputes portions of the chaplain's testimony, outlined in some 2,300 pages of transcripts released to the AP this week by the Defense Department in response to a Freedom of Information Act request.
The chaplain told investigators that O'Neal said Tillman was harsh in his last moments, snapping, 'Would you shut your (expletive) mouth? God's not going to help you; you need to do something for yourself, you sniveling ...''
''He never would have called me 'sniveling,''' O'Neal said. ''I don't remember ever speaking to this chaplain, and I find this characterization of Pat really upsetting. He never once degraded me. He's the only person I ever worked for who didn't degrade anyone. He wasn't that sort of person.''
They're dated.
"(2 digit year)B.C."
Their historical advisers graduated from Regent University.
walter schumann is still alive (94 years old) and performed on the soundtrack for 'madagascar' in 2005.
he also wrote a bunch of music for abbott and costello movies as far back as 1948. his first credit is 'escape to paradise', arranger and vocals, 1939.
Scorpions!!
Oooooooh!!!
Decapitatage!
BUGGERY! Of the swarms of scorpions variety!
Decapitation!
OK! Getting off to a good start!
You know what's creepy?
Haloscan keeps sending "your comment has been replied to" e-mails an I know I've never clicked that box.
My guess is not only were they spying on Democratic candidates, they were also spying on businesses/corporations.
The media, too.
Know anyplace to get synthetic spinal discs at a discount?
bo
I hope this is the premise for a bad science fiction novel and not fact, but it seems possible to me.
steve EVfuture
The evil side of a time machine. Instead of searching out truth in ancient history, they would observe everything that happened ten seconds ago. Privacy no longer exists
I think Billy May wrote the theme song to Dragnet.
I've read allegations that the original program started from foreign calls to and from Americans and expanded to Americans in contact with those Americans, and on and on. Now a real Tom Clancy wannabe would never stop there, becausde then they would miss the ...wait for it...sleeper cells.
Finding imaginary moles and sleepers is even harder than finding imaginary WMDs (Ask James Jesus Angleton.) The only way to find islamofascist unicorns would be to run some kind of Total Information Awareness program on everyone. If you did that, the point would be to give everybody a score, a coefficient of Bushie-ness. I predict that a loyalty score for each of us is what's waiting at the bottom of this latest bucket of Bush-Lip.
i wonder where schumann would have been b/t 1939 and 1948? not like anything was going on in he world back then....
I think Billy May wrote the theme song to Dragnet.
No, but he wrote the love theme of Joe Friday and Bill Gannon.
My guess is not only were they spying on Democratic candidates, they were also spying on businesses/corporations.
The media, too.
They were spying on everyone.
And it's gonna come out eventually.
The desert shooting location for DeMille's "The Ten Commandments" WAS lost for the better part of the 20th Century, and is now being excavated as a proper archeological dig site.
Wasn't that actually the site D.W. Griffith used in "Intolerance"? Or am I getting my biblical epic sets mixed up?
I think Billy May wrote the theme song to Dragnet.
bo | 07.28.07 - 9:41 pm | #
yes, but i have evidence.
that makes me the democrat.
the flights are already scheduled. It's not like I'd be renting a plane.
Buckeye
BZZZZZZ. WRONG!
The flights are scheduled because they expect people to buy the seats. People stop buying the seats, they schdule fewer flights.
Moe Szyslak, hating coal | Homepage | 07.28.07 - 9:33 pm
I'll ask again: New Zealand is 14 hours away by plane from the West Coast. Taking any other form of transport is a no-go time wise.
Are you saying that New Zealanders shouldn't travel outside their country and we shouldn't go there?
I understand your point, but there is also a point to which it gets a little bit self-defeating and unrealistic.
I predict that a loyalty score for each of us is what's waiting at the bottom of this latest bucket of Bush-Lip.
If I scored higher than 0 I'm gonna be pissed.
Are you saying that New Zealanders shouldn't travel outside their country and we shouldn't go there?
Yes.
Are you saying that New Zealanders shouldn't travel outside their country and we shouldn't go there?
Not as a general rule, except that they can keep Harvey Keitel's naked ass.
Some do not understand that Hot Science Babes are essential to the making of SCI FI movies. Also, there must be killage and eatage. Cackling grandpas are optional. Scrool Trools are required.
That is all.
I really do think they were spying on business/corporations and manipulating the market. Why wouldn't Republicans offer this possibility to their donors? You pay us, then we can help you get ahead in business. Look what we can do, we can help you with product development, we can help you beat the competitor to a patent. We can get you information before it becomes public. We can spy on your competitors, and if you don't want to be spied on you better pay us.
Dimwit doesn't realize I can killfile myself, then unkillfile as needed to find my typos.
The all bitch and moan about Nixon, but none of them wants to be Nixon Redux. These hard-core DOJ guys who would rather resign than do whatever it is they wanted them to do are afraid of their names being mentioned in the same breath with "Haldeman" and "Ehrlichman."
They were spying on the dems. That is it.
I mean, look at this way: how many people in Bangledesh shoudl die so Americans can go to New Zealand?
Know anyplace to get synthetic spinal discs at a discount?
bo
...ahem...
...COSTCO has lots of stuff at pretty good prices...
I don't know what you'd do with a bag of a thousand synthetic spinal discs, though...
For your father!
Dang!
.
I really do think they were spying on business/corporations and manipulating the market.
And then what? They get a kick-back?
The all bitch and moan about Nixon, but none of them wants to be Nixon Redux. These hard-core DOJ guys who would rather resign than do whatever it is they wanted them to do are afraid of their names being mentioned in the same breath with "Haldeman" and "Ehrlichman."
They were spying on the dems. That is it.
Yep. And it didn't stop with Kerry. They spyed on every dem candidate at ever level.
oops, my mistake. schumann died in 1958 - his other credits are recordings, largely replays of the dragnet theme.
As one who appreciates dusky ethnicities of the female pursuasion, I'm hoping that the hot black science babe-ette makes through the film.
New Zealanders should go by rickety canoes, just like the original Maori did.
I mean, look at this way: how many people in Bangledesh shoudl die so Americans can go to New Zealand?
Moe Szyslak, hating coal |
four.
Yes.
Moe Szyslak, hating coal | Homepage | 07.28.07 - 9:44 pm | #
bravo moe.
Otay, be back soon. I gotta eat something.
New Zealanders should go by rickety canoes, just like the original Maori did.
Kon-Tiki, bitches!
Oh, hell! I thought we were going to have some hot science babe-ette strippage just then.
Hope springs eternal, though!
Yep. And it didn't stop with Kerry. They spyed on every dem candidate at ever level.
And whatever happened with the R's hacking into the Dem's computers several years ago? I haven't heard a word about it.
yeh I blogged that earlier than josh.
Yeah I had a feeling about this reading you alls liveblogging of Abu.
Beefed up privacy law blog too.
Oh, noes!!
Hot black science babe is getting et.
Damn.
Kon-Tiki, bitches! - Thor Heyerdahl
Ole! 
Oh, well. So much for hot black science babe-ette!
Yep. And it didn't stop with Kerry. They spyed on every dem candidate at ever level.
"They wanted to run against McGovern. Look who they're running against."
I thought we were going to have some hot science babe-ette strippage just then.
For that you have to rent Saturn 3 (featuring Farrah Fawcett's naked booby, Harvey Keitel's dubbed English accent, and Kirk Douglas' old naked ass).
goodnight.
Oh, and I'm not Thor Heyerdahl.
Yep. And it didn't stop with Kerry. They spyed on every dem candidate at ever level.
"They wanted to run against McGovern. Look who they're running against."
I would love to see an Attorney General Patrick Fitzgerald (yes, I know he's a republican).
Because he would fuck them up good and put every one of their asses in jail.
Baby, Pimp my Canoe.
That is all.
Culture of TrÜth ...
If Bruno whacked Mario why is Andrew doing anything to make Bruno happy?
We know they did not want to run against Dean.
Mah kitten is GIGANTIC!!!
Oh noes!!
I'll say it...
They were spying on Democrats.
For that you have to rent Saturn 3 (featuring Farrah Fawcett's naked booby
As a teenager I went to the drive-in specifically to witness the wonders of Farrah's faucet.
Can illegal spying programs be used as evidence in a court of law?
I mean, look at this way: how many people in Bangledesh shoudl die so Americans can go to New Zealand?
Moe Szyslak, hating coal | Homepage | 07.28.07 - 9:45 pm |
Faulty arguement, logic.
You're presuming that a regularly scheduled commerical flight from the WC of the US to NZ is cauing Bangladeshis to die.
And to stop this presumptive death, you're asking New Zealand (and I'm presuming other isolated countries) to stop using aircraft?
Could you perhaps be a bit more realistic?
I can see asking New Zealanders to reduce intra-New Zealand flights and go back to trains, but to stop leaving the country?
Stupid. And self-defeating.
I'll say it...
They were spying on Democrats.
Dood I sed that an hour ago try to keep up U silly
Bedtime. Later.
Oh, and I'm not Thor Heyerdahl.
We are all Thor Heyerdahl now.
Gomez: They were spying on Democrats.
I bet they were spying on everyone. Friend and foe.
But I'm sleepy.
♥
Mah kitten is GIGANTIC!!!
Oh noes!!
fourlegsrgood, got pitchfork? | Homepage | 07.28.07 - 9:51 pm |
She's radioactive.
They bugged, they followed people, false press leaks, fake letters, they canceled Democratic campaign rallies, they investigated Democratic private lives, they planted spies, stole documents, on and on--don't tell me you think this was all
the work of little Don Segretti.
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When the avalanche of Bush pardons comes barreling down, the Repugs will claim Bush is just protecting them from out-of-control 'Democrat' investigations.
What else could he do?
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She's radioactive.
Worst. Jimmy Page. Guitar solo. Ever.
I would love to see an Attorney General Patrick Fitzgerald (yes, I know he's a republican).
Because he would fuck them up good and put every one of their asses in jail.
fourlegsrgood, got pitchfork? | Homepage | 07.28.07 - 9:50 pm | #
Not.A.Republican.Or.A.Democrat.
Registered Independent.
I bet they were spying on everyone. Friend and foe.
I'd like those who get to know me
to become admirer's of my enemies.
Pat Fitzgerald is a registered Independent.
Just for accuracy sake.
Can illegal spying programs be used as evidence in a court of law?
You mean the info gathered? Can it be used as evidence?
NO. If the search is unconstitutional all the product of the search is excluded.
People don't say "Ooga Ooga" any longer.
She's radioactive.
Worst. Jimmy Page. Guitar solo. Ever.
Harry Doghiney fka ScroolTrool | 07.28.07 - 9:54 pm | #
Sadly, that was the song that was going through my head when I wrote that.
Just for accuracy sake.
Inaccuracy in defense of liberty is no vice!
They don't say "Boola Boola" anymore, either.
Electronic Privacy Information Center's documents on Total Information Awareness and Bushevik data mining.
:::New documents (pdf) show that General Wesley Clark, a lobbyist for commercial data company Acxiom, met with former Total Information Awareness developer, Admiral John Poindexter in May and June 2002. Previously obtained documents from the same time period indicate that Acxiom was considered as a source of personal information for a government "mega-scale database." :::
Wonder what got discussed at those meetings.
Stupid. And self-defeating.
Buckeye
I guess I'm not going to bed.
What's stupid is releasing way, way, way more greenhouse gases than the earth can naturally absorb, and traveling by the means that releases the most greenhouse gases in the most destructive manner (air travel). Yea, I mean, sure, it's too bad those New Zealnaders can't come here and we can't go there. But the alternative is so fucking fucked up we have to be the biggest assholes in the world to suggest we should continue on the way we are.
All evidence points to the fact that we, even us lefties who say we're concerned about the environment, are in fact, assholes. Because we can't even envision ourselves giving up behavior (air travel, and lots more) that will kill the earth.
They don't say "Boola Boola" anymore, either.
res ipsa loquitur | Homepage | 07.28.07 - 9:56 pm | #
Nor "Yowza"
If Bruno whacked Mario why is Andrew doing anything to make Bruno happy?
res ipsa loquitur
heh
Mario just used that an excuse not to run.
Andy -- a dood i have also had dealignz with -- his motives are interesting here.
I guess he saw his chance to prove hisself and he done took it.
But if I know Eliot there is zero luv lost between them.
So now Eliot has made an enemy of Wall St., the Comptroller, the head of State Senate, and the AG.
Dood if we wanted to elect a guy who wuz hated by everyone we would have elected Mark Green.
They don't say "Boola Boola" anymore, either.
res ipsa loquitur |
Haven't heard, "Yoiks, yoiks" much lately.
.
I concur with Josh. There is OBVIOUSLY something fishy going on. So many career guys wouldn't quit over a program unless it were REALLY bad (e.g. patently illegal, fear of jail, etc). So far, we haven't heard a smidgeon of a scintilla of a detail on just what these, I assume in the dozens, NSA programs have been collecting and what has been done with the data.
Having worked on sensitive programs I have seen discomfort with the scope of some programs, but never one that was blatantly illegal where just one conscientious contractor, civil-servant, or military member would have the moral obligation to blow the whistle. And apparently that IS just what happened. Perhaps deductive reasoning with no proof, but compelling nonetheless.
"NO. If the search is unconstitutional all the product of the search is excluded."
--res ipsa loquitur
Nice to hear, but it still pisses me off that it could happen. Reading this thread, I'm steamed right now.
You mean the info gathered? Can it be used as evidence?
NO. If the search is unconstitutional all the product of the search is excluded.
res ipsa loquitur | Homepage | 07.28.07 - 9:54 pm
And theoretically there is supposed to be a wall between information gathered for "foreign intelligence" being passed to criminal investigators, who have higher requirements for search warrants than FISA.
I'm waiting for radioactive kittens, with giant tails, to enter the desert and snack on the entire cast of this movie. But that's just me.
That is all.
We are all Thor Heyerdahl now. - NTodd
Thought you were Thor von Uberwerke from behind the Tastee Freez.
Evening, all
I say "Yowza!" sometimes.
I really fucking need to fucking stop fucking swearing all the fucking time, though. Fuck.
You mean the info gathered? Can it be used as evidence?
NO. If the search is unconstitutional all the product of the search is excluded.
Yes, that's what I meant.
IF it's not admissible then what other purpose can illegal spying be than for political gain?
From what I've heard Andrew Cuomo is an idiot.
Did someone post the Frank Rich or should I do it?
Watching Thor Heyerdahl's movie 'Ra' at the theater
made me sea sick.
.
I really fucking need to fucking stop fucking swearing all the fucking time, though. Fuck.
Turn off the news - it works for me
"I'm waiting for radioactive kittens, with giant tails, to enter the desert and snack on the entire cast of this movie. But that's just me."
Never saw "The Fallen Ones", then, did you?
"Im full of TINIER MUMMIES!"
Stupid. And self-defeating.
Buckeye
I guess I'm not going to bed.
What's stupid is releasing way, way, way more greenhouse gases than the earth can naturally absorb, and traveling by the means that releases the most greenhouse gases in the most destructive manner (air travel). Yea, I mean, sure, it's too bad those New Zealnaders can't come here and we can't go there. But the alternative is so fucking fucked up we have to be the biggest assholes in the world to suggest we should continue on the way we are.
All evidence points to the fact that we, even us lefties who say we're concerned about the environment, are in fact, assholes. Because we can't even envision ourselves giving up behavior (air travel, and lots more) that will kill the earth.
Moe Szyslak, hating coal | Homepage | 07.28.07 - 9:57 pm
Because asking them to give up something that huge isn't going to work.
It's not like my father, who had the option of training to California instead of flying.
Start small, work on intra-country flights, not by trying to re-isolate countries because they're much more easily reached by air.
You mean the info gathered? Can it be used as evidence?
NO. If the search is unconstitutional all the product of the search is excluded. - res ipsa loquitur
Foo, who cares about entering it as evidence. We'll just hold you in secret as a nasty bad DFH that we don't like. [/John Yoo.
All evidence points to the fact that we, even us lefties who say we're concerned about the environment, are in fact, assholes. Because we can't even envision ourselves giving up behavior (air travel, and lots more) that will kill the earth.
I've stopped farting so much.
Nytol.
I'm going to go work on my ocean-going balsa wood vessel.
Watching Thor Heyerdahl's movie 'Ra' at the theater
made me sea sick.
.
Agent Orange | 07.28.07 - 10:00 pm | #
Great reference. Won me a game of Trivial Pursuit with that name. Friends claimed I was cheating somehow.
I really fucking need to fucking stop fucking swearing all the fucking time, though. Fuck.
Fuck that noise.
You fucking swear as much as you fucking need to.
Sheeeit.
mark Green is hated for different reasons than eliot is hated.
But I take your point.
They don't say "Boola Boola" anymore, either.
res ipsa loquitur | Homepage | 07.28.07 - 9:56 pm
Wooly Bully?
Great reference. Won me a game of Trivial Pursuit with that name. Friends claimed I was cheating somehow.
Gilly Gonzylon |
That's funny. Playing Trivial Pursuit sometimes makes me sea sick too.
.
Thanks, HBK.
Who was Andrew Cuomo's wife (Kerry Kennedy) running around with?
("Running around with" = daddy res for "having an affair.")
Mmmmm. Pork Sausage!
Wooly Bully?
Buckeye, Dealer of Rare Coins
ramalama ding dong?
Philadelphia Cream Cheese
Shine on me
I love ya
Shine the light
Bootie, out of the world
Bada High
Shina Light
Shina Light
Shina Light
Wont cha Shina Light.....
Philadephia Cream Cheese
I la ha ha ha ya
Yes I do !!!!!!!!!
That's funny. Playing Trivial Pursuit sometimes makes me sea sick too.
.
Agent Orange
Watching Tony Snow makes me see sick.
We don't have time to "start small".
We have to get this under control in the next two decades, top. It means, right now, putting an end to all coal-fueled power plants, and stop flying.
Sure, there are a gazillion other things that need to be done, but if those two things-- coal plants and flying-- aren't addressed pretty much immediately, we're fucked, fucked, fucked. No two ways about it.
You fucking swear as much as you fucking need to.
Sheeeit.
HoneyBearKelly?
for fucks sake we can fukcing swear as much as is fukcinbg needed, motherfuckers!
i suppose i'm just a whining, self centered bitch, but you know- why has it taken some writers so long to accept the idea that the bush administration has no morals, ethics, etc whatsoever? i mean, how much more proof does anyone need, at this point? of course they are data mining their political opponents. what, did you think they were using this technology to fight the war on terror, josh? for fuck's sake. and sob, how often do lesser bloggers, who were willing to point this out years ago, get notice? right.
it's nice moderates are finally waking up the facism we "dirty fucking hippy" radical types have been smelling for six fucking years now. really.
I bet the Republican party was saying to businesses that if you pay us, we can spy on your competitors for you.
Dood I sed that an hour ago try to keep up U silly
fourlegsrgood, got pitchfork?
I was watching Office Space.
YES! Giant sand snake eatage!
moe,
I pledge not to build any coal-fired power plants in my apartment.
it's nice moderates are finally waking up the facism we "dirty fucking hippy" radical types have been smelling for six fucking years now. really.
Yeah, but CD, are they going to demand the only logical remedy?
I know it's a tough crowd here at night, and I can't keep up, so whatever.
We either take climate change seriously, or we don't. I'm going to bed.
I was watching Office Space.
Gomez
yeeeeaaah
I'm gonna go ahead and agree with you
We have to get this under control in the next two decades, top. It means, right now, putting an end to all coal-fueled power plants, and stop flying.
I agree.
But it ain't gonna happen.
I've stopped farting so much.
NTodd, Fanciest
That's not what the pack says.
ramalama ding dong? - olexicon
My guru is Baba Black Sheep.
My guru is Baba Black Sheep.
bo
Baba OO mow mow is mine
Obama needs experience. He looks more like a caricature now.
We have to get this under control in the next two decades, top. It means, right now, putting an end to all coal-fueled power plants, and stop flying.
The ever popular Alexander Cockburn (The Nation and elsewhere) believes the whole global warming business is a ruse being secretly promoted by the next generation nuclear power industry.
Get everyone scared and then be the World's non-fossil fuel burning savior.
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Eliot is basically a good guy prone to playing hardball and he's trying to break the whole Three Men in a Room.
Mark is such an egomaiac.
I remember working with Andy in back in 80s -- it's true he was widely disliked too but hey he's playing this scandal straight.
I've stopped farting so much.
NTodd, Fanciest
My God Mother turns 95 tomorrow. I got her an authentic Woopie Cushion.
Obama needs experience. He looks more like a caricature now.
josh
sounds ;like what the mainstream press said aboiut Bush in 2000
except they made it a positive instead of a negative
(To the tune of Leedo Shuffle)
Guido!
Yo -o-o-o-o
The ever popular Alexander Cockburn
heh heh you said Cockburn..
res ipsa I don't know the name of the guy Kerry was running around with but if memory serves he was married too.
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My God Mother turns 95 tomorrow. I got her an authentic Woopie Cushion.
Irving R. Feldman"
I take it you have a huge portion of the will.
The ever popular Alexander Cockburn (The Nation and elsewhere) believes the whole global warming business is a ruse being secretly promoted by the next generation nuclear power industry.
We are all witnessing the death of our planet, that we choose to look for tinfoil is one's choice.
I take it you have a huge portion of the will.
EkCenTriK
no such thing
"Carrying on with" was another res family euphamism for "having an affair."
"Mr. X is running around with Mr. Y's wife."
"Mrs. C. is carrying on with the gamekeeper."
The ever popular Alexander Cockburn
heh heh you said Cockburn..
Gomez
Penicillin makes him go away.
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without reading the whole thread, i'm (of course) going to come down on the side of Moe S. re: what we need to give up if we're to be "serious" about the environment. it's a lot, a really long list, and the excuses for not doing so we've become accustomed to aren't going to wash.
it's pretty simple. we can suffer some, now, and devote energies and resources to making the necessary changes now. or, we can do the same thing, only with greater cost, suffering, and sacrifice, later. mother earth really doesn't care what we think. she's going to show us what happens when you shit in your own nest, and if not us, our children will experience her wrath. but your "need" to fly all over the world, drive your SUV filled with plastic chinese junk, etc...well, i'm sure you get my drift. kiss that shit goodbye.
I've been watching Inside Man and cooking and drinking too
HBK,
i think Kerry was carrying on with someone quasi-famous. I am googling, but not coming up with it.
I would like to see a Ten Ton Weight, a la Monty Python, dropped upon the next Presidential candidate who says, prefatory to a response to a 'debate' question, "thank you/your spouse/your child/your pet for your service."
I'm watching the replay of the YouTube debate, if you can't tell. They're at the "meeting with the leaders" question, and it's perfectly obvious from Obama's and Clinton's responses that there was no meaningful difference between them.
Penicillin makes him go away.
.
Agent Orange
Q: what do you give the man who has everything?
A: Penicillin
What're you making?
Your world famous Messican lasagna again?
Hey kids - came across a pretty good oldies station out of England on Live365.
For your Saturday night sock hoppin' pleasure...
without reading the whole thread, i'm (of course) going to come down on the side of Moe S. re: what we need to give up if we're to be "serious" about the environment. it's a lot, a really long list, and the excuses for not doing so we've become accustomed to aren't going to wash.
Sadly, yes. But it's still an individual decision and guilting people won't work. We none of us have a monopoly on the Truth.
Not even NTodd.
'night bats.
For your Saturday night sock hoppin' pleasure...
dave™©
dave, you should listen to Randy Bachmann's Vinyl Tap off the CBC
My saturday night traditition
It would be "up your street" as it were
Dear Chris Tucker,
I would never watch such filth.
However, as a serious film critic, I feel qualified to rate a movie I've never seen. It sucked.
That is all.
I like Inside Man.
But then I'm nutz about Clive Owen.
I like Inside Man.
But then I'm nutz about Clive Owen.
HoneyBearKelly | Homepage | 07.28.07 - 10:14 pm | #
Not a fan of the name Clive, and I don't like "Tre"
I'm nutz about Clive Owen.
He's ruggedly hot.
Sadly, yes. But it's still an individual decision and guilting people won't work. We none of us have a monopoly on the Truth.
Mother Earth has her version of the truth, and in this case, it's the only version that matters.
It's here with an online listening link
http://www.randysvinyltap.com/ma...m/main.php?
ch=1
I take note that Hillary Clinton was asked neither the "did American troops die in vain" nor the "how many members of your family are serving in the armed forces" question.
Guess that's just how it worked out.
I was in the mood for techno tonight so I just listened to Sven Vath and am now listening to Paul Van Dyke.
I'm nutz about Clive Owen.
He's ruggedly hot.
NTodd, Fanciest | Homepage | 07.28.07 - 10:15 pm
Yes. Yes, he is.
http://www.bmwworld.com/pics/lif...e/
8959_1024.jpg
Mother Earth has her version of the truth, and in this case, it's the only version that matters.
And we are a part of it.
I was in the mood for techno tonight so I just listened to Sven Vath and am now listening to Paul Van Dyke.
I learned today, that Tool has morphed into A Perfect Circle. I had not been that up on APC, but they really have a cool sound.
And we are a part of it.
Only in the sense that we are subject to Her interpretation of the truth.
I learned today, that Tool has morphed into A Perfect Circle. I had not been that up on APC, but they really have a cool sound.
smalfish,bikerider
I believe they are two sepearate entity's for the mad visionary that is Maynard James Keenan Ivory Wayans
As far as I'm concerned, the gold standard, by which all other "supernatural" TV movies must be judged against, is "The Night Stalker".
...there's still something creepy we haven't heard yet about that spy program.
Sorry, but no fucking shit.
.
As I'm going through my closets, I found this super highly directional speaker I've had for a few years. It is so directional that 6 inches in any direction, it is silent. If you're in the laser beam like audio path, it is crystal clear. I'm gonna point it out the window playing the religious station! Ha!
I believe they are two sepearate entity's for the mad visionary that is Maynard James Keenan Ivory Wayans
I didn't get to finish reading the Wiki bit on APC, but I understood that Tool had broken up.
...you should listen to Randy Bachmann's Vinyl Tap off the CBC.
Actually, I have - I think Moe turned me on to it a few months back.
I happened to tune in to it the one time he played a Guess Who song he had written - "These Eyes", IIRC...
I would like to see a Ten Ton Weight, a la Monty Python, dropped upon the next Presidential candidate who says, prefatory to a response to a 'debate' question, "thank you/your spouse/your child/your pet for your service."
How about the next person who asks how did you talk to your child about sex or other questions about the candidates kids.
A Perfect Circle eh?
Thanks for the rec smallfish.
Time for shower and bed.
Buenas noches.
"The Night Stalker".
Chris Tucker | Homepage | 07.28.07 - 10:19 pm | #
With Daaren McGavin?
4LG,
NYC: Kitty City.
I'm tired. So I'm gonna go to bed and dream, hopefully, about carrying on with George Clooney and running around with Clive Owen (simultaneously).
Later y'all.
ntodd, i'm past trying to "guilt out" people, long past. so i'm sorry if you thought that was the tack i'm taking. like smalfish, i grok that there really is only one reality, and environmentally speaking, it's one we all share. so while individuals can make decisions about what they choose to do, we're all going to experience what we've all done to this planet. now, later, forever, as it were.
i've said it before: i'm glad i don't have kids, and i hope my nephew is really bright and gifted, such that he'll be able to make his way in a world in which his Ohio home is in the middle of a desert. i suppose he could raise goats, or something. but i don't deny his reality is going to be greatly different from mine, and that's why i recycle every possible thing i can. i look at every item, every use of energy, and i think to myself, "i am buying him another (unit) of time with less suffering." i wish others could find some similar way to motivate themselves to be more committed to environmental action. do it for sex, if that works for you.
I happened to tune in to it the one time he played a Guess Who song he had written - "These Eyes", IIRC...
dave™
I love the story of how "American Woman" was bornm out of a Jam in a show
Only in the sense that we are subject to Her interpretation of the truth.
More than that. We can't be outside Nature and inside.
All beings have impact on the world around them. It's a matter of deciding how much impact we have as individuals and collectively. But to say "This is the one way to be" is to ignore that Nature is full of diversity, including rational and irrational decisions, constructive and destructive actions.
Moe's right. ChyDi's right. Buckeye's right.
So what are you going to give up so "Nature's Truth" isn't wrought?
I love the story of how "American Woman" was bornm out of a Jam in a show
olexicon, at woik | 07.28.07 - 10:22 pm | #
Ukranian Woman
Get on close to me
Ukranian Woman
Momma, my name's G...
I didn't get to finish reading the Wiki bit on APC, but I understood that Tool had broken up.
smalfish,bikeri
Tool put out an album, and a good one, last eyar
The evilly guy, ghost, I don't know what the hell it is, in the SCI FI movie is trying to take over the mind of the Hero guy. Cool.
That is all.
Ukranian Woman
Get on close to me
Ukranian Woman
Momma, my name's G...
Gilly Gonzylo
My grandpa would be happy in heaven if i hooked up with a ukrainian girl
Speaking of cats, I just finished my "orientation" as a cat socializer at the local Humane Society.
I'm also going to be taking cat photos for their little ID cards on their cages.
They had some cuties there today! Thankfully, I am immune...
TOOL WIKI
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tool_(band)
My grandpa would be happy in heaven if i hooked up with a ukrainian girl
olexicon, at woik | 07.28.07 - 10:25 pm | #
I rootin' for ya, dude 
ntodd, i'm past trying to "guilt out" people, long past. so i'm sorry if you thought that was the tack i'm taking. like smalfish, i grok that there really is only one reality, and environmentally speaking, it's one we all share. so while individuals can make decisions about what they choose to do, we're all going to experience what we've all done to this planet. now, later, forever, as it were...
chicago dyke | Homepage | 07.28.07 - 10:21 pm | #
In theory Moe is correct, we're near a tipping point and need to do something drastic.
But stopping all flight, especially trans-oceanic, isn't realistic. Not at this point.
So start with what you can, and start prodding, pushing, guilting about it.
Thankfully, I am immune...
dave™© |
to be ribald
"No man is immune to cute pussy"
Some of the other pets available at the local Humane Society today: a lop-eared bunny, four guinea pigs, and a tarantula...
Alright, I'm really off to bed.
I rootin' for ya, dude
Gilly Gonzylon
It's sakatchewan, so there's lots around
Speaking of Randy Bachman... this Live365 oldies station is playing the Guess Who version of "Shakin' All Over" right now...
So what are you going to give up so "Nature's Truth" isn't wrought?
That's the point. None of us are really willing to give up the things we treasure to help save the planet from destroying us. Nature will be the ultimate decider, if we can't answer that one question. I don't know what the answer is either.
Speaking of Randy Bachman... this Live365 oldies station is playing the Guess Who version of "Shakin' All Over" right now...
dave™© | Homepage | 07.28.07 - 10:27 pm | #
Kathleen Turner Overdrive....
i'm sorry HBK is in bed, or i'd trade stories with her about sasha and satoshi's discs in the GU series. i've got #13 on now, which is prolly why i'm so awake at this hour.
again i'll ask- anyone in chicago next week? i wont' be in Mc Place, but i'll be in chinatown if anyone wants cheap, great food. and of course, dancing, in the later hours.
.. this Live365 oldies station is playing the Guess Who version of "Shakin' All Over" right now...
dave™©
that is a good one
...to be ribald...
Does Playboy still publish its "Party Jokes"?
"Our unabashed dictionary defines..."
Some of the other pets available at the local Humane Society today: a lop-eared bunny, four guinea pigs, and a tarantula...
I have a shoe and I'm not afraid to use it.
Kathleen Turner Overdrive....
Gilly Gonzylon
the name of Jack Black's band at the end of high fidelity
The surprise from north of the border is that the new Canadian government has taken the tony blair laptop approach.
Some of the other pets available at the local Humane Society today: a lop-eared bunny, four guinea pigs, and a tarantula...
I have a shoe and I'm not afraid to use it.
Culture of TrÜth
I had a tarantula for a classroom pet for a year. Nice pet for the kids. They even learned to not fear it (There was the problem by the way) We fed it the tarantula food and the kids took turns taking it home for holidays and stuff. One day a boy tried to hold it while the cage was being cleaned and he dropped it. Morte de spider. . . .
o/t
I'm watching The Fog of War , a documentary by Errol Morris focusing on Robert MacNamara's personal reminiscences of a life as a hot and cold and corporate warrior (she said, with ultimate snark).
Unlike Voldemort, he does seem to display remorse at the end. Fat lot of good that does the hundreds of thousands that died at the behest of his analyst's pen. Best thing he did was stopping the truly psychotic (Curtis Lemay) from pursuing the uttern annihilation of the human race.
TOOL WIKI
I was working in that direction. Thanks.
I have a shoe and I'm not afraid to use it.
It's funny, because one of the women in the orientation was talking about how her cat once brought in a tarantula and she had her neighbor "take care of it". Then we went into the main office and on their adoption board, they had "tarantula" listed.
He was in a little terrarium. Looked friendly enough...
Ntodd Johnson is right!
I was working in that direction. Thanks.
smalfish,bikerider
just thought it would dovetail nicely if I cut out the middle man
"No man is immune to cute pussy"
olexicon, at woik
Where's that cock sucker guy?
And I mean that in a good way.
.
None of us are really willing to give up the things we treasure to help save the planet from destroying us.
That's not true. Some of us are.
The point is that we can't collectively give up everything cold turkey. To think otherwise is to ignore human nature. So what steps can people take to change, and to help others learn to change?
What one thing can you change right now?
just thought it would dovetail nicely if I cut out the middle man
Reading that Wiki piece on Tool, I'm liking them even more now.
Sometime around or after 4 p.m. Dick Rowland, a nineteen-year old black shoe-shiner employed at a Main Street shine parlor, entered the elevator at the rear of the nearby Drexel Building at 319 South Main Street en route to the 'colored' washroom on the top floor.
Reading that Wiki piece on Tool, I'm liking them even more now.
smalfish,bikerider
I've been a Tool fan since Undertow
In the most generally accepted account, Rowland tripped upon entering the elevator and, in an effort to prevent himself from falling, grabbed the arm of Page, who subsequently let out a startled gasp or scream. In a lesser accepted account, it has been suggested that the two had a quarrel, and it was believed that the young lady was assaulted.
"I'm watching The Fog of War , a documentary by Errol Morris focusing on Robert MacNamara's personal reminiscences of a life as a hot and cold and corporate warrior (she said, with ultimate snark)."
It's clear from even jsut that movie that I'm a soulless fucker.
smalfish,
you know my kids are DT fans and they like a lot of Tool.
So the NYTimes, in a Strongly Worded Editorial, says Congress might have to impeach Abu:
None of us are really willing to give up the things we treasure to help save the planet from destroying us.
We must kill the planet before it destroys us.
.
As far as we can tell, there are three possible explanations for Mr. Gonzales’s talk about a dispute over other — unspecified — intelligence activities. One, he lied to Congress. Two, he used a bureaucratic dodge to mislead lawmakers and the public: the spying program was modified after Mr. Ashcroft refused to endorse it, which made it “different” from the one Mr. Bush has acknowledged. The third is that there was more wiretapping than has been disclosed, perhaps even purely domestic wiretapping, and Mr. Gonzales is helping Mr. Bush cover it up.
Democratic lawmakers are asking for a special prosecutor to look into Mr. Gonzales’s words and deeds. Solicitor General Paul Clement has a last chance to show that the Justice Department is still minimally functional by fulfilling that request.
If that does not happen, Congress should impeach Mr. Gonzales.
"Fog of War" is Awesome
"Why We FighT" is another good one
last night i watched a DVD of "The American Experience" on Jonestown
kind of a downer
By late morning, news of the event had apparently reached the Tulsa Tribune. The newspaper broke the story in that afternoon's edition with the headline: 'Nab Negro for Attacking Girl in Elevator', describing the alleged incident with the, at best sketchy, details that could be assembled on such short notice. It was, however, another article in the same paper that is credited with providing the misinformation that sparked the chain of events that ensued later that evening.
I'll ask again: New Zealand is 14 hours away by plane from the West Coast. Taking any other form of transport is a no-go time wise.
Then how about crewing on about a 100-foot sloop going there?
America needs a full-time president. And a full-time Congress. Particularly at this time ...
What one thing can you change right now?
Other than what I've already done, I have no clue. At this minute I have three light bulbs burning (all either halogen or florescent). Two in here, and one in the dining room so I can see when I go in that part of the house. Everything else is either off or unplugged. What else can I do? The thermostat is set at 80 and rarely comes on.
What one thing can you change right now?
Well, let's see: We have reduced driving to practically going to work and coming home. We bunch whatever other trips we have to make together. (Often I do not even use a car for several days running)
We have replaced the inefficient furnace with a new high efficiency furnace.
We have replaced the water heater with a new high efficiency water heater.
We have re-caulked every window and crevice in the house.
(But my school still provides so much heat for my room in the winter time that the only way to keep it reasonable in the room is to open the window.)
Individuals can only do so much. Institutions must do their share as well.
The second article, apparently an editorial, titled 'To Lynch Negro Tonight', spoke of whites assembling to lynch the teenage Rowland.
"What one thing can you change right now?"
clothesline instead of dryer.
I'll ask again: New Zealand is 14 hours away by plane from the West Coast. Taking any other form of transport is a no-go time wise.
Then how about crewing on about a 100-foot sloop going there?
Sadly, it took hundreds of years and more for people to move across the Polynesians. These days, it would be best to send an e-mail.
So what are you going to give up so "Nature's Truth" isn't wrought?
NTodd
i buy only used clothes now. and i buy a lot less, in general. except for food, i ask myself when i'm in the store, "why do i want this?" not surprisingly, the answer is often "because i'm told to." so i've taught myself to say no to the consumerist impulse as often as possible, or at least that is what i'm striving for.
i keep my house cool or warm with the seasons, and dress accordingly, rather than trying to keep an artificial temp. i don't use or buy anything with plastic, if i can help it. i buy my food and goods locally, whenever possible. when not, i try to do without. i never, ever throw anything away unless i absolutely have to. when i travel, i travel with a group, or if i'm forced to drive, it's only for the shortest possible distance. i can go on and on.
perhaps because i'm poor, or perhaps because i don't have spawn, or perhaps because i'm just a freak, but i focus on "not consuming." it's my thing, and i'm pretty good at it. just as i'm trying to be a "not consuming and also growing" kind of person. it isn't really that hard. but i don't want to spent tonight on the soapbox, so go ahead and pick a movie star or TV show we can argue about, and i'll stripe your bottom with the flogger later tonight in response. i love that pink, throbbing glow after a good spanking, you are so adorable that way.
It can never be known with any certainty if a lynching had actually been called for before the newspaper report was published that afternoon. But what is known, is that by sunset at 7:34 p.m., the several hundred whites assembled outside the courthouse almost definitely had the makings of a lynch mob.
How many of us have not made changes in our lives to save the planet? I don't own a car, walk everywhere I can, bum rides if I have to go a distance (maybe once a month). I have changed to energy-saving lightbulbs and keep my place barely lighted unless I need task lighting - and that is really a sacrifice to me, because I tend to get depressed in low light, but I'm willing to deal with that. Recycling as much as I can goes without saying.
How do we deal with people who don't believe they're part of the problem - like our Preznit, who has to fly in Air Force One from DC to Philadelphia? I know it's childish, but I resent the hell out of that.
you know my kids are DT fans and they like a lot of Tool.
I'm really a teenager at heart (or is it ear?).
sidhra,
rented it last year.
Did you ever see 13 days?"
Not a documentary, but an interesting protrayal of McNamara.
clothesline instead of dryer.
Yup. Done that 18 months ago.
Easy for me. Problem is for many people that won't be practical. So what works for NTodd right now won't work for others right now.
Regardless, it's a question of what each person and family and group can determine is something they can change. I can't dictate it. Not even Mother Nature can.
Hell, NTodd's Pa's Wife was right most of the time, but it didn't mean I would do what she said. We each of us need to make that determination for ourselves.
Many argued for a more cautious approach, but were apparently overruled when, at about 9 p.m., a mob of about 25 black men, armed with rifles and shotguns, decided to march to the courthouse and offer their services to support the sheriff and his deputies in defending their kinsman from the angry community.
clothesline instead of dryer.
Done that for years now. We went without heat last winter except for enough to keep our pipes from freezing.
50 degrees ain't so bad.
As I note over at Pax, the challenge is getting people to think a little differently about their own lives and reactions. When someone hits you, must you hit back? When the earth is killing you because you're killing the earth, can you give up your dryer?
Done that for years now. We went without heat last winter except for enough to keep our pipes from freezing.
Good!
So what's the next thing you can change?
Dune buggies are the conveyance of choice when you are battling ancient egyptian monsters.
clothesline instead of dryer.
This is a "correct answer", but I am not "willing" to do it.
The gunshot triggered an almost immediate response by the white men, many of whom returned fire on the black contingency, who exchanged fire. The black men hurriedly retreated toward Greenwood, but not before several men, both black and white, lay dead or dying in the street.
mmmm... ice cream.
you know, this is where chimpy's stupidity really comes to the fore. where his old man could keep all this shit that's been going on for decades under the carpet and still smile at the cameras, geo jr has to get all het up and defensive and authoritarian about it.
I don't think people would be so worked up over data mining if it weren't for this administration's complete public relations ineptitude. I'm not saying that all this surveillance is good; I'm just saying that Jim Bamford has been telling us about it for decades, and no one much has been paying attention.
is there still something creepy we don't know about? I don't know. I do know that you can't do this kind of thing with half a dozen people in the basement of the old EOB; it takes more people than can be vetted by Karl Rove and all of his cronies. It takes a large staff of dedicated civil servants just to do the background investigations it takes to clear all these people.
so my guess would be, yeah, there are creepy things going on. There have been creepy things going on all the way back to the Nixon administration, and before. I'm thinking there's no particular cause for great alarm right now. Your civil rights are being violated. What's new about that?
I think I have the wrong Hero Guy du jour. Is it:
A. Adam Baldwin
B. Dan Castellaneta
C. Some strange guy I think I recognize.
D. None of the above.
More research needed. That is all.
"What one thing can you change right now?"
your mind. and keep changing forward.
We went without heat last winter except for enough to keep our pipes from freezing.
50 degrees ain't so bad.
Mr French | 07.28.07 - 10:43 pm | #
I could handle that, but it'd drive Miriam nuts. Odd, since I'm Arkansan and she's Michigander.
This is a "correct answer", but I am not "willing" to do it.
No, it is "an" answer. But I wonder why you are not willing?
peace and humptiness forever
Wanna hear about creepy?
Bush
Clinton
Bush
Clinton
Now THAT'S creepy!
Conservatism: the haunting fear that someone, somewhere, might be having a good time.
I would fuck Salma Hayek if it would bring about world peace. Just sayin'.
Dune buggies are the conveyance of choice when you are battling ancient egyptian monsters.
fourlegsrgood, got pitchfork? | Homepage | 07.28.07 - 10:44 pm | #
I tried a dogsled once.
It did not go well for me.
What one thing can you change right now?
NTodd, Fanciest
Three years ago I contacted to have solar panels, and just getting the permit took 8 months. I wanted 20, but only 18 would fit. Now, I pay zero for my electricity per year, and contribute about 2000kWh per year to the grid.
Cost me $14k, to tell Edison to shove it sideways...
The now considerably armed white mob pursued the black group toward Greenwood, with many stopping to loot local stores for additional weapons and ammunition. Along the way innocent bystanders, many of whom were letting out of a movie theater, were caught off guard by the riotous mob and began fleeing also. Panic set in as mobsters began firing on unassuming blacks in the crowd.
Not even Mother Nature can.
I disagree.
In the end it is Nature who will decide our fate should we, as a culture, allow it to go that far.
So what's the next thing you can change?
Other people's minds?
We're working on that.
This is a "correct answer", but I am not "willing" to do it.
Why? I can't do it because I don't have a yard, but I do line dry quite a bit of stuff.
Then how about crewing on about a 100-foot sloop going there?
The 54 footer I crewed on from there to here was a hoot. Except for the lack of wind and equipment screwups.
Cost me $14k, to tell Edison to shove it sideways...
Stick it to the man!
But that was 3 years ago, right? So what's next?
Can we rest on our laurels?
I can't believe Homer is in this movie.
I would fuck Salma Hayek if it would bring about world peace. Just sayin'.
NTodd, Fanciest | Homepage | 07.28.07 - 10:46 pm | #
I'd let Phyllis Diller gum me for the same.
Three years ago I contacted to have solar panels, and just getting the permit took 8 months. I wanted 20, but only 18 would fit. Now, I pay zero for my electricity per year, and contribute about 2000kWh per year to the grid.
Cost me $14k, to tell Edison to shove it sideways...
Good for you. If I had a house, I would do the same.
In the end it is Nature who will decide our fate should we, as a culture, allow it to go that far.
It will determine our fate. Not how we deal with it. So Mother Nature cannot force us to act in any particular way.
Look at how many creatures and cultures failed to adapt to changing conditions...
But that was 3 years ago, right? So what's next?
Can we rest on our laurels?
You are being a nag now. He's giving energy BACK to the grid.
I'd say he's doing his part.
NTodd, Fanciest | Homepage | 07.28.07 - 10:48 pm | #
Nature 2.0!
Bush
Clinton
Bush
Clinton
Now THAT'S creepy!
Fuck Dynasties
Even creepier...
George H W
Bill
George W
Hillary
JEB
Chelsea
Jenna
Chelsea again
Not Jenna
.
Tammy Bruce on Cspan asks her audience, 'How many of you think Hitler was a right winger?' The truth is he was a nationaL SOCIALIST. Every genocide in history has been perpetuated by collectivism and marxism.
So what's the next thing you can change?
Other people's minds?
We're working on that.
No, about your own behavior and lifestyle.
OT new Tillman rebuttal
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/
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As bullets flew above their heads, the young soldier at Pat Tillman's side started praying.
I thought I was praying to myself, but I guess he heard me," Sgt. Bryan O'Neal recalled in an interview Saturday with The Associated Press. "He said something like, 'Hey, O'Neal, why are you praying? God can't help us now.'"
Tillman's intent, O'Neal said, was to "more or less put my mind straight about what was going on at the moment."
"He said, 'I've got an idea to help get us out of this,'" said O'Neal, who was an 18-year-old Army Ranger in Tillman's unit when the former NFL player was killed by friendly fire in Afghanistan in April 2004.
O'Neal said Tillman, a corporal, threw a smoke grenade to identify themselves to fellow soldiers who were firing at them. Tillman was waving his arms shouting "Cease fire, friendlies, I am Pat (expletive) Tillman, damn it!" again and again when he was killed, O'Neal said.
A chaplain who debriefed the entire unit days after Tillman's death later described this exchange to investigators conducting a criminal probe of the incident. But O'Neal strongly disputes portions of the chaplain's testimony, outlined in some 2,300 pages of transcripts released to the AP this week by the Defense Department in response to a Freedom of Information Act request.
"He never would have called me 'sniveling,'" O'Neal said. "I don't remember ever speaking to this chaplain, and I find this characterization of Pat really upsetting. He never once degraded me. He's the only person I ever worked for who didn't degrade anyone. He wasn't that sort of person."
The chaplain's name is blacked out in the documents.
How much electricity can you generate by hooking up a generator to an exercise bike ?
clothesline instead of dryer.
I can't dry my hair on the clothesline..
No, it is "an" answer. But I wonder why you are not willing?
I have neither the time nor the energy to commit to something of that nature. When the crunch comes, and I am forced to do such things, then I will of course be enabled to afford said energy and time. This is our dilemma.
You are being a nag now. He's giving energy BACK to the grid.
No, I'm not being a nag. I'm asking what's next? It's brainstorming.
We can't just say "I did that" and be done with it. Giving back to the grid is lovely, and I congratulated him on that. Now escalate.
Or is that too much work?
Bill Richardson wants to work with Republicans.
He can go home now.
How much electricity can you generate by hooking up a generator to an exercise bike ?
Gilly Gonzylon | 07.28.07 - 10:51 pm | #
Enough to power a vibrator.
I have neither the time nor the energy to commit to something of that nature. When the crunch comes, and I am forced to do such things, then I will of course be enabled to afford said energy and time
When the *crunch* comes, it will be too late.
Enough to power a vibrator.
rorschach, infogit | Homepage | 07.28.07 - 10:52 pm | #
That's it ?
I have neither the time nor the energy to commit to something of that nature.
You sure you don't have time? I used to think the same thing, but now I plan a few days ahead and somehow get clothes that are clean, dry and even free of doghair.
I can't dry my hair on the clothesline..
You can dry it in the air. I suspect our ancestors survived without hairdryers.
COT: Now I have the answer. I think. Maybe. I gotta lie down.
I have neither the time nor the energy to commit to something of that nature. When the crunch comes, and I am forced to do such things, then I will of course be enabled to afford said energy and time
Spoken like a whaler.
You can dry it in the air. I suspect our ancestors survived without hairdryers.
NTodd, Fanciest | Homepage | 07.28.07 - 10:53 pm | #
I cannot remember the last time I used one of those infernal things.
I piss in the sink.
Saves 10 gallons of water from not flushing the toilet.
But that was 3 years ago, right? So what's next?
Can we rest on our laurels?
NTodd, Fanciest
Working on the creation of a solar-tracking, parabolic mirror-dish (about 8'diameter) to focus on a boiler to create steam to distill greywater or seawater and spin a generator. About 5 kW would do it...
Liberation!
And herein lies the problem...
How much electricity can you generate by hooking up a generator to an exercise bike ?
Gilly Gonzylon
Years ago I saw a news story about some DFH Dad in Maine who wired the TV set to a bicycle powered generator. If the kids wanted to watch TV they had to peddle ass.
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I piss in the sink.
Saves 10 gallons of water from not flushing the toilet.
Doug Watts, lindane free. | Homepage | 07.28.07 - 10:54 pm | #
Heh. LOL
I've got it.
It's "The Trace". If you type "Fratboy Coward" in a comments window, or in an email, or whatever, the Death Eaters will apparate directly atop you and the Dark Lord's will will be done.
Working on the creation of a solar-tracking, parabolic mirror-dish (about 8'diameter) to focus on a boiler to create steam to distill greywater or seawater and spin a generator. About 5 kW would do it...
That. Is. Fucking. Awesome.
I piss in the sink.
Saves 10 gallons of water from not flushing the toilet.
Doug Watts, lindane free.
Dood, TMI.
I piss in the sink.
Saves 10 gallons of water from not flushing the toilet.
I piss in the woods. I do not, as yet, shit in the woods like the Pope, however.
Enough to power a vibrator.
rorschach, infogit | Homepage | 07.28.07 - 10:52 pm | #
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Gerbils are self-powering.
I cannot remember the last time I used one of those infernal things.
I keep my hair short so I can wash and wear when I'm teaching.
I piss in a tupperware cup and call it a popsicle.
How much electricity can you generate by hooking up a generator to an exercise bike ?
not much. a couple hundred watts, if you're a really strong rider. enough to keep the room lit while you're riding; maybe enough to operate the TV set you're watching while you do it.
You can dry it in the air. I suspect our ancestors survived without hairdryers.
NTodd, Fanciest
maybe Australohippycus ... oh, and the bald ones
I piss in the woods. I do not, as yet, shit in the woods like the Pope, however.
NTodd, Fanciest | Homepage | 07.28.07 - 10:56 pm | #
Yeah, but a bear still lives in the Vatican
I piss in the sink.
I used to tell my Radio Teletype operators to piss on the ground near their grounding rods, to make the electrical ground better.
Of course, it would be unwise to allow the stream to hit the grounding rod itself, so caution is necessary...
Enough to power a vibrator.
Know why blondes never use vibrators?
They say they chip their teeth...
Make candles from ear wax. The key is not to clean your ears until you are nearly deaf.
When the hell did Anubis get in this movie? Why is he killing people? What? Someone mentioned this earlier? I gotta lie down.
'Shaving' and 'dog' in the same sentence.
Someone's paying their barber $400 at the pets store... and the barber's name is revlon.
Make candles from ear wax. The key is not to clean your ears until you are nearly deaf.
Doug Watts, lindane free. | Homepage | 07.28.07 - 10:58 pm | #
Fart in a jar to save gas
Enough to power a vibrator.
One of the things you learn when you have a wife who's very, very selfish in bed.
Do we all remember
Save water - shower with a friend
?
I piss in the sink.
Saves 10 gallons of water from not flushing the toilet.
Doug Watts, lindane free. | Homepage | 07.28.07 - 10:54 pm
Another practitioner of this ecological wisdom was Bill's dad on the HBO show Big Love.
To save water I don't bathe.
The chaplain's name is blacked out in the documents.
/stupid, innocent GOP tool expression
Why would they do that?
Do we all remember
Save water - shower with a friend
?
Lindsay, clean fucking hippie
If it's yellow, let it mellow.
If it's brown, flush it down.
.
Why not the rushing force of septic waste pushing turbines to generate power?
Why not the rushing force of septic waste pushing turbines to generate power?
Why not tap the aimless buzzing in Joke Line's head for power?
I ran a four way stop today on main street today, laughing hysterically.
One of the local pimps drives a solid pink sports car. Perhaps of his wimmens has one too. She was getting something from the Christian World book store.
A big, pink car, with a giant Hefner bunny and "Playgirl" stencil in the back tinted window. There it was, in G8d's own parking space.
Was she getting the King James or Queen James swinger's version of the bible?
Alas, no camera. The Onion missed a great photo op...
"Why not the rushing force of septic waste pushing turbines to generate power?"
Talk about when the shit hits the fan...
Why not tap the aimless buzzing in Joke Line's head for power?
Apprentice to Darth Holden
Those are just bees. Pay no attention to them. Concentrate on the assfucking.
Why not the rushing force of septic waste pushing turbines to generate power?
Gilly Gonzylon | 07.28.07 - 11:01 pm
That would be a fun engineering job - harness the potential energy from the tidal wave inflow of the collective shit/piss of a major city.
Why not the rushing force of septic waste pushing turbines to generate power?
Gilly Gonzylon
The Cleveland Browns way of winning the AFC Norse?
Farts, piss and shit. There's appetizing subjects. I won't be eating for a week.
I had the wrong hero guy.
That is all.
Why not the rushing force of septic waste pushing turbines to generate power?
I don't know how much force there actually is. My memory - and I could be wrong about this - is that sewer systems tend to work on very small gradients.
HEY GO FOR IT DEMS!!!!!
House Members Say They Will Try to Block Arms Sales to Saudis
By Robin Wright
Washington Post Staff Writer
Sunday, July 29, 2007; Page A06
The Bush administration's plan to sell $20 billion in advanced weaponry to Saudi Arabia and five other Persian Gulf countries is running into congressional opposition and criticism from human rights and arms control groups.
Members of Congress vowed yesterday to oppose any deal to Saudi Arabia on grounds that the kingdom has been unhelpful in Iraq and unreliable at fighting terrorism. King Abdullah has called the U.S. military presence in Iraq an "illegitimate occupation," and the Saudis have been either unable or unwilling to stop suicide bombers who have ended up in Iraq, congressional sources say.
The Cleveland Browns way of winning the AFC Norse?
Mr.Murder
Whtat would be the change?
It's not that I'm not culturally willing to opt out of my clothes dryer, it's that I am economically not willing.
Three years ago I contacted to have solar panels, and just getting the permit took 8 months. I wanted 20, but only 18 would fit. Now, I pay zero for my electricity per year, and contribute about 2000kWh per year to the grid.
Cost me $14k, to tell Edison to shove it sideways...
Good for you. If I had a house, I would do the same.
fourlegsrgood, got pitchfork? | Homepage | 07.28.07 - 10:48 pm | #
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At $70 a month for the electric bill (about average} it will take you 20 years to break even. I realize you may get some return for power put into the grid, but this is a poor rate of return for 14k. Again I realize that this is for agreater good, but you will never get any large amount of people to emulate you. Unless the government is willing to subsidise this type of tech it just won't happen on its own.
I don't know how much force there actually is. My memory - and I could be wrong about this - is that sewer systems tend to work on very small gradients.
Phila, Pizen Sarpint
And often pumped to help things along.
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"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.–That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed,–That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness."
-Declaration of Independence
To let the poop come down the mountain you gotta push it up.
eww ....
never mind ...
House Members Say They Will Try to Block Arms Sales to Saudis
Refresh my memory, someone...how much of our debt and infrastructure do they own, again?
I don't know how much force there actually is. My memory - and I could be wrong about this - is that sewer systems tend to work on very small gradients.
Two percent.
"
That would be a fun engineering job - harness the potential energy from the tidal wave inflow of the collective shit/piss of a major city."
I suspect the mighty flush after the last episode of MASH would have powered a small city for a few days.
dmark | Homepage | 07.28.07 - 11:06 pm | #
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Did you know your glass is half empty ?
might wanna top that off ...
"you need to wear more than just corduroy house shoes here"-Stasi museum curator to David Broder
Working on the creation of a solar-tracking, parabolic mirror-dish (about 8'diameter) to focus on a boiler to create steam to distill greywater or seawater and spin a generator. About 5 kW would do it...
I thought about something like this for cooking purposes a couple of years ago. Then I read a story about a parabolic dish that was sent to some third world village to enable them to do solar cooking. Turned out that someone left it outside one day pointed in the wrong direction, and it ignited somebody's house and burned it down.
What I've read is that a cardboard box, flaps open, covered with aluminum foil, does a perfectly adequate job of cooking. You'd need a pretty big box to aggregate 5 kW, though.
How long does it take to heat the water to boiling in your design?
Suck Me!
Lick Me!
Love Me!
I'm Your New Heartless Führer!
Bow, Fuckers!
The Trolls are getting stranger by the day.
I thought about something like this for cooking purposes a couple of years ago. Then I read a story about a parabolic dish that was sent to some third world village to enable them to do solar cooking. Turned out that someone left it outside one day pointed in the wrong direction, and it ignited somebody's house and burned it down.
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So? That's like saying you won't have a house with electricity because sometimes there are electrical fires that burn the house down.
Unless the government is willing to subsidise this type of tech it just won't happen on its own.
dmark | Homepage | 07.28.07 - 11:06 pm | # [kill][hide comment]
There are plenty of good things happening. There's one arrangement in the Bay Area where you can get a loan to install them, and the power you supply to the grid is deducated so that the monthly payment is actually lower than your pre-solar electric bill.
I don't know how much force there actually is. My memory - and I could be wrong about this - is that sewer systems tend to work on very small gradients.
Phila, Pizen Sarpint | Homepage | 07.28.07 - 11:05 pm
When I was a wee grad a project manager I worked for had this side passion of trying to design a feasible co-gen power plant along with a sewage treatment facility. I guess he was envisioning some type of methane combustion.
Unless the government is willing to subsidise this type of tech it just won't happen on its own.
And then how do you effect change in the government?
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At $70 a month for the electric bill (about average} it will take you 20 years to break even.
a few years ago I was living on a hilltop in Tennessee with huge power bills and a lot of time on my hands, and decided to run the numbers on a windmill.
making the most optimistic assumptions I could justify, over a generous lifespan of twenty years, I figured that, overall, it would cost me about 25 cents/kWh.
I decided to shut up and keep paying my Nashville Electric Service bills.
Subsidies and other help for farmers, $42 billion.
Food stamps and other nutrition programs, $190 billion.
http://rawstory.com/news/2007/
US...l_for_0727.html
Dear democrats: please talk about this story a lot.
When I was a wee grad a project manager I worked for had this side passion of trying to design a feasible co-gen power plant along with a sewage treatment facility. I guess he was envisioning some type of methane combustion.
Lab Coat Larry | 07.28.07 - 11:10 pm | # [kill][hide comment]
I believe the EU has something like 2500 biogas plants, at least some of which are co-gen.
The desert shooting location for DeMille's "The Ten Commandments" WAS lost for the better part of the 20th Century, and is now being excavated as a proper archeological dig site.
A new exhibit at the creationism museum! Right next to the Adam and Eve dinosaurs(tm).
And then how do you effect change in the government?
I don't think it's the government that is unwilling to subsidize. It's the corporate lobby that prevents any change.
"...That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government..."
Did you know your glass is half empty ?
Please don't assume that I'm against solar power. I have friends doing it and would consider it for my own house if I was better situated ( both physically an finacially). The botom line is that you will never be able to egage this type of tech without a subsidy and I mean a strong subsidy. Here in Flyover country we are fighting a new transmission line that is being propssed by a government monopoly that is for profit. We need similar entities for alternative power sources if we ever want to move on to cleaner power.
A new exhibit at the creationism museum! Right next to the Adam and Steve gaii-nosaurs(tm).
fought your Themopylae.
I'm Your New Heartless Führer!
Bow, Fuckers!
Billary Bush's Cleavage | 07.28.07 - 11:08 pm
Hey there, Slick. The come-down off acid is rough.
Sucks to be you.
"Dear democrats: please talk about this story a lot.
Josh"
I keep thinking "Oh, we are going to the Shah bit again."
And then how do you effect change in the government?
NTodd, Fanciest
revolution.
i'm of a mind that bricks are essential.
but there might be better ways.
for now my plan is to vote for obama and pray my ass off. but bricks would probably be more certain.
I decided to shut up and keep paying my Nashville Electric Service bills.
theodoric | 07.28.07 - 11:14 pm | # [kill][hide comment]
Of course, you tend to pay hidden costs for that...from subsidies to clean-up and regulation etc. But you get stuck paying that whether you're off the grid or not.....
...there's a man with a gun over there...
Jor-El told us all Krypton was going to explode, but we didn't listen either... I blame it on the Phantom Zone being powered by coal.
dmark | Homepage | 07.28.07 - 11:16 pm | #
I agree. Roads are paid for with fuel taxes. There are no private roads. Ratepayers pay for all electrical grid infrastructure improvements. We all ultimately pay for the power lines and substations, etc.
Solar etc. does need to be paid for just like roads. It's just as critical.
"Americans have been waiting months for Mr. Bush to fire Attorney General Alberto Gonzales, who long ago proved that he was incompetent and more recently has proved that he can’t tell the truth....
Democratic lawmakers are asking for a special prosecutor to look into Mr. Gonzales’s words and deeds. Solicitor General Paul Clement has a last chance to show that the Justice Department is still minimally functional by fulfilling that request.
If that does not happen, Congress should impeach Mr. Gonzales."
http://www.dailykos.com/
At $70 a month for the electric bill (about average}...
Not where I live.
i'm of a mind that bricks are essential.
but there might be better ways.
for now my plan is to vote for obama and pray my ass off. but bricks would probably be more certain.
charley
Lately I've been thinking about local journalism and its effect, and how people, at least where I live, know so little about their state and local governments. I think that matters because that helps build the parties.
And journalist should talk about lobbyists/money trails more.
If we built our roads with shovels only everyone could have a job.
There are plenty of good things happening. There's one arrangement in the Bay Area where you can get a loan to install them, and the power you supply to the grid is deducated so that the monthly payment is actually lower than your pre-solar electric bill.
Phila, Pizen Sarpint
SoCal Edison won't let me do that, tho they should, by rights. They have some kind of internal memo that says they will not pay anyone for self-generated power. So I ignore their bills.
NTodd, if you're still here: As you know well, I practice the Lotus Sutra. A parable from it tells the story of a traveler, who goes to Hell.
There he finds a huge table, piled high with delicious food, but the people there are all starving and in conflict with each other. That's because they are obliged to eat with chopsticks that are so long they can't get the food into their own mouths.
Then, he leaves and goes to Heaven, where he sees the exact same scenario: huge table, piled high with food, and long chopsticks. But the people there are all satisfied and happy. They are feeding each other...
Like my panels...
...tellin me I got to beware..
The botom line is that you will never be able to egage this type of tech without a subsidy and I mean a strong subsidy.
"Never" is a bit strong, to say the least. The gains on efficiency in the last few years are pretty staggering.
I just got back from Peach Beach
i'm of a mind that bricks are essential.
All right, finally the call for brickbats.
I wonder why electoral activists don't pay more attention to the upcoming congressional elections. If Lieberman continues to hold the keys to the Senate kingdom, even incremental change will be hard to come by.
I don't think it's the government that is unwilling to subsidize. It's the corporate lobby that prevents any change.
Thus, the government is unwilling to subsidize. So...how do you effect change?
Okay, so I had my sundae
Dear democrats: please talk about this story a lot.
well, it certainly will be interesting, since even the Great Ron Wyden is a big aipac recipient.
Thus, the government is unwilling to subsidize. So...how do you effect change?
Do what we're doing. Blog. Then tell people about it/network. Like MySpace and Facebook, maybe the truth will spread without mainstream help?
At $70 a month for the electric bill (about average}...
Not where I live.
dave™© | Homepage | 07.28.07 - 11:20 pm | #
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Out of curiosity, what do you pay? What's your rate?
The Government IS UNWILLING TO SUBSIDIZE !!!
Unless it is coal or oil. Then it is very very very willing to subsidize. Just look at the Energy Bills in Congress since 2001. Billions of susbidies for coal and oil -- and huge cuts in what little funding for solar, wind etc. were leftover from Clinton, Bush I, Reagan, Carter.
Watching two of my finest stake out a yard roach than managed to get inside and upstairs. I think they just ordered pizza and advanced surveillance equipment.
And journalist should talk about lobbyists/money trails more.
Josh
if the people start throwing bricks, they'll talk about it. otherwise, not so much.
after all, there are haircuts, and cleavage, and LINDSEY LOHAN to drone on about.
peace all, wake me when the revolution comes.
Apropos of two posts down...I've never been impressed woth fancy titles and nuances.
Sorr, title peeps.
if the people start throwing bricks, they'll talk about it. otherwise, not so much.
Picture the spin.
What's a yard roach and why would you stake out an insect?
So? That's like saying you won't have a house with electricity because sometimes there are electrical fires that burn the house down.
not an argument, just a story. I just hadn't thought that a parabolic reflector could be a safety issue. it turned out that for what I was interested in, though, it wasn't even necessary. if the object you're trying to heat is of any size to speak of, you don't need the focused energy you'd get from a parabolic dish; the heat from the focus would be conducted to the rest of the target anyway, so you might as well just not focus the radiation (so tightly) and let it scatter over the entire target.
As I think about it some more, though, I think I understand why a parabola might be necessary in this case.
"Iraq is facing a hidden healthcare and social crisis over the soaring number of amputations, largely of lower limbs, necessitated by the daily explosions and violence gripping the country.
Why am I only reading about this in the Guardian? Oh yeah. We don't have a free press any more.
In the north of Iraq...there is a requirement for up to 3,000 replacement limbs a year."
http://cliffschecter.blogspot.com/
The Government IS UNWILLING TO SUBSIDIZE !!!
Unless it is coal or oil. Then it is very very very willing to subsidize. Just look at the Energy Bills in Congress since 2001. Billions of susbidies for coal and oil -- and huge cuts in what little funding for solar, wind etc. were leftover from Clinton, Bush I, Reagan, Carter.
Doug Watts, lindane free. | Homepage | 07.28.07 - 11:24 pm | #
This is the very heart of the problem. Does anyone remember Dick Vader's energy meetings of 2001?
Do what we're doing. Blog. Then tell people about it/network. Like MySpace and Facebook, maybe the truth will spread without mainstream help?
No. More.
There i wuz, just mindin my own bizness, and this guy comes along, stakin me out....
What are those bugs outside making all the racket? They're up in the trees making racket all night long.
I am not exactly sure what they are classified as. They are a roach but are rounder and much flatter. Normally I only see them in the grass in shade or wet grass. However with the rains and the fact I just did the lawn, I suspect they have been bailing out a bit.
The cats are waiting this one out. He ran behind some shelves.
We. Are. The. Government. Folks.
Take responsibility.
The botom line is that you will never be able to egage this type of tech without a subsidy
I don't know about that. Recently there was announced a cooperative working group with a Korean company and a US university, that announced solar cells that they thought could be produced (why the korean tech company was involved) for 10 cents per watt.
1,000 bucks for solar cells, and get about 100,000 KWatt-hours per day.
"Scientists breed world’s first mentally ill mouse"
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/
tol...icle2159295.ece
You all can take it from here.
Ciao, batses. Do not attempt to piss up ropes, or upwind.
Dear Yard Roach,
You told me what you did. Not what you are. Please answer the question.
The government is the state and the state is that which maintains our baseline mastery over nature.
And the hits keep coming:
"A surgeon general's report in 2006 that called on Americans to help tackle global health problems has been kept from the public by a Bush political appointee without any background or expertise in medicine or public health, chiefly because the report did not promote the administration's policy accomplishments, according to current and former public health officials."
I don't know about that. Recently there was announced a cooperative working group with a Korean company and a US university, that announced solar cells that they thought could be produced (why the korean tech company was involved) for 10 cents per watt.
I would love to redo my roof with photo voltaic cells.
Ronnie Raygun's first executive order dealt with removing solar panels off the White House roof.
No. More.
Where I live, most people only passively keep up with politics. The problem is when you talk to them and suggest they go to a website, they probably never will go. But if you link them to a site or a story, they are more likely to do so, because its much easier to get around too. I don't use MySpace (Rupert Murdoch owns it) but its amazing how many people are on Facebook at my local Tennessee college.
Linking is why the web was created. Years later, the web is really becoming a human network.
Photvoltaics now can heat a liquid designed to convert and save heat energy so it can keep you off the grid and producing power past nightfall...
For whatever it's worth...Shell came up with a couple of scenarios for the future about a year back. One of them involved the decentralization of power and the concept of "multiple modernities" based on leapfrogging, appropriate tech, and so on.
The other was kinda like what we have now, only more so. I have my suspicions about which one they preferred.
Anyway, I always thought it was funny that Shell saw that sort of massive paradigm shift as more plausible than most of the lefties I know do.
The botom line is that you will never be able to egage this type of tech without a subsidy and I mean a strong subsidy.
Unless and until you gain the testicular fortitude to think and act for yourself. You are an example for others, either way.
SUBSIDY? We don' need no steeekin' subsidy!
EBay Can Continue Using 'Buy It Now'
(AP) — A federal judge Friday denied a request from a small Virginia company to stop the online auction powerhouse eBay Inc. from using a feature that allows shoppers to purchase items at a fixed price.
About three years back, I mean.
Do what we're doing. Blog. Then tell people about it/network. Like MySpace and Facebook, maybe the truth will spread without mainstream help?
No. More.
NTodd, Fanciest | Homepage | 07.28.07 - 11:28 pm | #
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Without calling you out, the option sounds like revolution. Certainly the framers had absolutely no problem with that. I would hope that the constitution has left us with an other option. Of course, that requires leaders of great courage, conviction and leadership. O Hell lets go for it.
Can we keep coal-fired pizza ovens?
Without calling you out, the option sounds like revolution.
Yup.
Here's the noisiest bugs in my neighborhood.
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/
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Without calling you out, the option sounds like revolution. Certainly the framers had absolutely no problem with that. I would hope that the constitution has left us with an other option. Of course, that requires leaders of great courage, conviction and leadership. O Hell lets go for it.
dmark
The consumption market society, with time straints and addiction limiting people from to much direct street action , or a willing to directly participate in such actions, means that emerging technology--like the Facebook front page, which makes what one could describe as a "newspaper" of what your friends link you to and have to say--is perhaps the best chance at making people more directly involved in everyday actions that effect us all. Technology may help breed more technology.
That and I'm a true believer in states rights.
One thing that I never see mentioned in terms of photovoltaics is reduction in cost after start up.
Lot of things were expensive and lost money at ramp up. As volume built and experience was gained, manufacturing costs are reduced. It was anticipated.
The conversion rate for photovltaics is easier now, as software design makes it easier to center the reflective capacity.
Also, smalle/microengineered items work to better degree.
The smallest panels don't require direct conductive connections. The enegry can jump a synapse or space and transmit. Not unlike larger tesla designs. Smaller converters gain advantage for that reason.
Semic conductor improvements also eliminate waste heat that may other wise escape being channeled, improving safety and power.
"A surgeon general's report in 2006 that called on Americans to help tackle global health problems has been kept from the public by a Bush political appointee without any background or expertise in medicine or public health, chiefly because the report did not promote the administration's policy accomplishments, according to current and former public health officials."
Thers, Man of Numenor | Homepage | 07.28.07 - 11:30 pm | #
Sounds like the Soviet Union polit bureau
straints=restraints 
I'm trying to keep up with the discussion of the upcoming revolution/civil war, but I was distracted by trying to do google searches about the "yard roach." Basically, nada. It looks like a yard roach is a roach that lives in the yard.... A White House roach, ergo, is a roach that lives in the WH.
So now: pitchforks or brickbats?
And...technology may help breed more democracy.
Always spell check!
Sorry folks.
The government is the state and the state is that which maintains our baseline mastery over nature.
roe
Bullshit, roe. That's only true if you are no longer capable of learning anything new and adapting, which I rather suspect...
Is or is not government itself our biggest current obstacle to Peace and prosperity worldwide?
The consumption market society, with time straints and addiction limiting people from to much direct street action , or a willing to directly participate in such actions, means that emerging technology--like the Facebook front page, which makes what one could describe as a "newspaper" of what your friends link you to and have to say--is perhaps the best chance at making people more directly involved in everyday actions that effect us all. Technology may help breed more technology.
Too passive. In the end, it requires people refusing consent, not posting on blogs or Facebook, or giving negative opinions to Pew and Gallup.
I don't know about that. Recently there was announced a cooperative working group with a Korean company and a US university, that announced solar cells that they thought could be produced (why the korean tech company was involved) for 10 cents per watt.
well, there goes my worth.
"google searches about the "yard roach." "
Jeez, I didn't say that was the definitive name for it. It is what I call them.
I was intrigued. And i have a "slight" google addiction..... Not your fault.
, it requires people refusing consent
Consent to what?
In the end it is Nature who will decide our fate should we, as a culture, allow it to go that far.
smalfish,bikerider | 07.28.07 - 10:47 pm | # [kill][hide comment]
My response to this is always the same: You're going to die. Does that mean you shouldn't do as much as you can with the time you have?
We coulod get vaporized by a meteor tomorrow. So fucking what?
My suspicion is that this "mother nature's gonna punish us" shit is just the secular version of fundamentalist horseshit about the Rapture. Anything to avoid taking responsibility.
Is or is not government itself our biggest current obstacle to Peace and prosperity worldwide?
I keep thinking of the scene in Syriana where the CIA kills the Prince because he wants to start democracy in his country.
A White House roach, ergo, is a roach that lives in the WH.
So now: pitchforks or brickbats?
A citizens RAID.
I hope the WH does the right thing, and submits to the rule of law. (which is not them).
What are the odds of them doing that?
Lot of things were expensive and lost money at ramp up. As volume built and experience was gained, manufacturing costs are reduced. It was anticipated.
Indeed, even hybrids.
Anything to avoid taking responsibility.
Phila, Pizen Sarpint | Homepage | 07.28.07 - 11:40 pm | #
or mowing the lawn
We. Are. The. Government. Folks.
Take responsibility.
NTodd, Fanciest | Homepage | 07.28.07 - 11:29 pm | #
This is the lesson least taught to our youth. It is the basis of America. We all must strive to take the government back. One Mayor, one Alderman, one State Rep, one Congressman, one President at a time.
My response to this is always the same: You're going to die. Does that mean you shouldn't do as much as you can with the time you have?
You do what you have to do to make yourself feel like ra positive force while living. If I don't attempt to do this, then I dread death and the unknown Next.
The state maintains our baseline mastery over nature because the state is controlled by the capitalists who maintain the forces of production. The forces of production are what give us mastery over nature.
Bad Religion!
"People refusing consent" could mean a nationwide strike, refusal to pay taxes and so forth. But the mechanisms of repression would be deployed forthwith. It would take a coordinated act of resistance by a large group of people; a small group would be squashed like the proverbial "yard roach."
1,000 bucks for solar cells, and get about 100,000 KWatt-hours per day.
10 cents/W = 10 W/$
$1000 = 10 kW
10 kW * 12 h = 120 kWh
My suspicion is that this "mother nature's gonna punish us" shit is just the secular version of fundamentalist horseshit about the Rapture. Anything to avoid taking responsibility.
Phila, Pizen Sarpint | Homepage | 07.28.07 - 11:40 pm | #
Non-fatalist puke!
We coulod get vaporized by a meteor tomorrow.
No, we couldn't. Not without much prior warning.
My suspicion is that this "mother nature's gonna punish us" shit is just the secular version of fundamentalist horseshit about the Rapture. Anything to avoid taking responsibility.
At the rate we're heading, is there any other future that you can see that does not include the widespread decimation of the population? Really and truly?
from way upstream in this thread:
Nothing this administration has done would lead reasonable people to conclude that they might be doing creepy things in secret.
Paranoid fucken moonbat crazies.
Nim, ham hock of liberty
i am personally aware of a few things that this admin has done in creepy secret, nimrod... if you would leave the thoughtless parade that your mind is following and think for yourself, you might grasp the concept that bush ain't your daddy and it's not the constitution that he's trying to protect.
fuckwads.
truth to power.
No, we couldn't. Not without much prior warning.
You forgot Poland!
Sorry, had to say it.
truth to power.
fokowi | Homepage | 07.28.07 - 11:44 pm | # [kill][hide comment]
Auschwitz inmate to prison guard: "This place fuckin' sucks!"
Gotta love those liberal platitudes.
NTodd, I takey you likey Bad Religion.
Muy bueno. Un mas.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=IcsuV1JlSKY
At the rate we're heading, is there any other future that you can see that does not include the widespread decimation of the population? Really and truly?
So you're not willing to try to avoid this "fate"?
the idea that we have "mastery" over nature is a joke. We can adapt some of it to suit our purposes, but we have yet to make it rain when we need it & so on.
How do you know saving the earth won't preclude the emergence of a new higher order being?
So you're not willing to try to avoid this "fate"?
Of course I am.
But I am me and I ain't we. And we ain't all together.
i am personally aware of a few things that this admin has done in creepy secret, nimrod...
Oops. Looks like Nim forgot the /sarcasm tag again.
The Government IS UNWILLING TO SUBSIDIZE !!!
Unless it is coal or oil. Then it is very very very willing to subsidize. Just look at the Energy Bills in Congress since 2001. Billions of susbidies for coal and oil -- and huge cuts in what little funding for solar, wind etc. were leftover from Clinton, Bush I, Reagan, Carter.
Doug Watts
Suggested reading: Power Play, by Sharon Beder.
Powerdown, by Richard Heinberg.
The Party's Over, also by Heinberg.
the idea that we have "mastery" over nature is a joke. We can adapt some of it to suit our purposes, but we have yet to make it rain when we need it & so on.
It is a joke indeed. We are hanging off the hide of this planet and think we are the masters of it.
Bad Religion!
NTodd, Fanciest | Homepage | 07.28.07 - 11:43 pm | #
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There is no god religion.
At the rate we're heading, is there any other future that you can see that does not include the widespread decimation of the population? Really and truly?
smalfish,bikerider | 07.28.07 - 11:44 pm | # [kill][hide comment]
You seem to be missing my point. Death is an absolute certainity. Yet we fall in love, have kids, get engaged in various political struggles, and so on.
Unlike death, the probability of the disaster you're talking about is less than 100 percent. But even if it were 100 percent, so fucking what? How would that let you or anyone else off the hook here and now?
Of course I am.
But I am me and I ain't we. And we ain't all together.
And there's no 'we' if 'you' don't actually try. But thus far you've resisted everything people have suggested...
we have yet to make it rain when we need it & so on.
I read that the Chinese have.
hubris
Speaking of those pain in the ass Quakers...
10 kW * 12 h = 120 kWh
theodoric
Your right, I put a few extra zeros there. Ok, than keep your POS auto a few more years, and spend the 10K you were going to waste on a new truck on the Cells.
$10K at $.1 per watt
100Kwh x 10 h
1,000KWH
(ten hours a day not 12, the sun is too close to the horizon at dawn and dusk to get any solar power)
How do you know saving the earth won't preclude the emergence of a new higher order being?
roe
Because you already are that higher order being, just as you are, roe. You just don't know it yet, no experience. You have absolutely nothing to fear.
Bad Religion!
NTodd, Fanciest | Homepage | 07.28.07 - 11:43 pm | #
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There is no god religion.
dmark | Homepage | 07.28.07 - 11:50 pm | #
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Interesting, I meant "good"
You know, you can't spell "Wheaties" without "we"...
Sort of...
Think about it!
we have yet to make it rain when we need it & so on.
I read that the Chinese have.
Suppose they have. With what consequences? If you "seed" clouds in one place, what happens elsewhere? The Russians have done all sorts of things to their rivers and lakes, sure. But there are always consequences. I wish we got to the point where we plan these things out properly.
At the rate we're heading, is there any other future that you can see that does not include the widespread decimation of the population? Really and truly?
So you're not willing to try to avoid this "fate"?
NTodd, Fanciest | Homepage | 07.28.07 - 11:47 pm | #
Bart: “Why are you littering?” –
Homer: “D’uh. Because it’s easier.”
I get about 6 hours of useful sun per day, and my panels generate up to about 15 kWh per day.
There is no god religion.
dmark
I have to agree but I don't think you can just do away with it. Nonreligious people can be spiritual/moral/loved by jesus, MLK, Ghandi. Thats why I think the Unitarian Universalist Church is something I might get involved with. They accept all people. I'm going to try to influence my God fearing friends. I live in the Bible belt.
I wish we got to the point where we plan these things out properly.
echidne
So much of the fight is about who gets to decide what's "properly."
In Austin, the local power company IS subsidizing solar with massive rebates.
Speaking of those pain in the ass Quakers...
AFuckingSC! I used to give them lots of money back in the day. Now I'm kinda hoping they'll give it back...or give me a job.
Uh...evening, all.
Been away all day -- have I missed anything particularly irksome?
Greed is the enemy.
State of mastery over disease.
State of mastery over productivity and exertion.
State of mastery over natural disasters and natural risk.
The idea of universal justice is impossible without the idea of mastery over nature. Recognize the mastery or subject yourself to the master,
under the radar, what did you pay for your cells?
There is no god religion.
dmark | Homepage | 07.28.07 - 11:50 pm | #
This edifying and enlightened observation is my signal to get offline and finish staining the floor (despite the inevitability of the great global die-off).
How do you know saving the earth won't preclude the emergence of a new higher order being?
roe
hey now, humans are the top parasite!
Speaking of trucks, when is someone going to actually produce an economical small truck? Closet I see is Toyota on mileage. And even that is poor. For the average load, coupled with the fact most of the beds are empty probably 90 percent of the time, I just don't see it.
jack sure is fun when he's been drinking.
Closet = closest
This edifying and enlightened observation is my signal to get offline and finish staining the floor (despite the inevitability of the great global die-off).
You...BASTARD!
I'd like to hear some opinions. What does everyone (honestly) think of:
Hillary Clinton
Barack Obama
Ron Paul
Dennis Kucinich
(these are the candidates I am interested in **Though Republican, I consider Ron Paul honest, and I am a states rights, limited federal government kind of guy)
The idea of universal justice is impossible without the idea of mastery over nature. Recognize the mastery or subject yourself to the master,
roe | 07.28.07 - 11:57 pm | #
I could not disagree more.
I don't have any children but I still feel an obligation to do my part to reduce energy consumption.
Thank god for Al Gore.
If nothing else he's made a lot of us stop and think in our daily lives.
I'm more conscientious about turning out lights, the thermostat temp and other things.
I hope other people are too. It may not be enough, but at least it's something.
But thus far you've resisted everything people have suggested...
That's a ridiculous assertion.
Unlike death, the probability of the disaster you're talking about is less than 100 percent. But even if it were 100 percent, so fucking what? How would that let you or anyone else off the hook here and now?
I'm not let off the hook. I just don't see any future being bright.
This problem is bigger than any one person or even one nation to overcome. Yes, I do all I can, but the fact of the matter is those that rule us sit idly by and talk about doing nothing. While I sit here and contemplate what it is I can do.
The idea of universal justice is impossible without the idea of mastery over nature.
What?
That's goofy.
hey now, humans are the top parasite!
My friends parasite just moved back in with him. Took forever to dump her, too.
What does universal justice have to do with mastery in the first place? Or even .... the second place? For myself, I would be willing to accept local justice and work toward universal justice over time.
I would harness my sexual energy if it would save the world, but I think it would require I have somebody to practice my loving on.
So I'm putting on the ol' Carnac turbin and predicting tomorrow's Wanker of the Day... today!
And the answer is (sealed in a mayonnaise jar... Funk 'n Wagnall's porch...)... David Ignatius!
Try to imagine what was running through the mind of Hassan Kazemi Qomi, Iran’s ambassador to Baghdad, as he sat across the negotiating table from his American counterpart, Ryan Crocker, last week. While the U.S. diplomat delivered his stern warning against Iranian meddling in Iraq, Qomi must have wondered: Why should I listen to this guy? Congress is going to start pulling U.S. troops out soon, no matter what he says.
That's the difficulty for Crocker and Gen. David Petraeus as they try to manage a stable transition in Iraq while Congress chants ever more loudly: "Troops out! Troops out!" It's hard for anyone to take American power seriously when prominent members of Congress are declaring the war already lost...
May your wife suffer the heartbreak of psoriasis with a carsick yak! HI-YOOOOOOO!!!
There is no god religion.
dmark
I have to agree but I don't think you can just do away with it. Nonreligious people can be spiritual/moral/loved by jesus, MLK, Ghandi. Thats why I think the Unitarian Universalist Church is something I might get involved with. They accept all people. I'm going to try to influence my God fearing friends. I live in the Bible belt.
Josh | Homepage | 07.28.07 - 11:56 pm | #
Yes you can. You either believe that there is a greater power or you don't. If you believe in that you are like the women in the bar. We know what you are we just working out the price.
But thus far you've resisted everything people have suggested...
That's a ridiculous assertion.
Is it? People have suggested power cells, lines instead of dryers, etc, and you've only come up with reasons they can't work.
So then, what the hell are you willing to do?
roe @ 11:57-- see, this is why I won't use killfile. how could I deny myself the pleasure of reading such bullshit?
If we'd "mastered" natural disasters, Bruce Willis would have been operating the space shuttle that sucked up Katrina before it hit New Orleans and dropped the water in the Everglades...
er... was that the plot of one of the Star Trek movies?
My friends parasite just moved back in with him. Took forever to dump her, too.
Josh | Homepage | 07.29.07 - 12:01 am | #
Attraction isn't a choice. Not really...
And sometimes, relationships are like a car out of gqas, sometimes the engine "catches" on some fumes and the vehicle lurches forward a bit...
AFuckingSC! I used to give them lots of money back in the day.
BTW, when I was driving around earlier today, that story was the lead on the CBS Radio News...
Speaking of trucks, when is someone going to actually produce an economical small truck?
You used to be able to buy a VW TDI mini-PU truck. That got something in the mid to high 40sMPG. Made in Penn BTW, something the US workers there thought of. No longer sold in the US.
Secret sheets.
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Sorry to have to run just as you're getting here, Ror. Especially after a thread as alienating as this one.
(Although an earlier one, in which I was invited to applaud the burning of a rare book as a bold political statement, may've been even worse.)
Anyway, g'night.
You either believe that there is a greater power or you don't.
Have you heard the good word about Galactus???
Yes you can. You either believe that there is a greater power or you don't. If you believe in that you are like the women in the bar. We know what you are we just working out the price.
dmark
My "higher power" is the feeling I get when I know I am doing what is right, and the feeling I get when I know what I am doing is wrong.
Oh, Trademark, I got my bumperstickers today. Going out to Pelosi and my Rep on Monday. In my Nancygram post I'll of course be linking to http://www.dumpbushnow.us/
It's not that I'm not culturally willing to opt out of my clothes dryer, it's that I am economically not willing.
smalfish,bikerider | 07.28.07 - 11:05 pm | #
This problem is bigger than any one person or even one nation to overcome. Yes, I do all I can...
smalfish,bikerider | 07.29.07 - 12:01 am | #
Hmmm.
Ok, than keep your POS auto a few more years, and spend the 10K you were going to waste on a new truck on the Cells.
$10K at $.1 per watt
100Kwh x 10 h
1,000KWH
ok. now you're going to need 100 square meters (assuming maximum efficiency) to collect this much energy from the sun. This works out to 1076 square feet (being extremely generous, as I'm sure you realize).
More likely, you're going to need between two and ten times that much, depending on the conversion efficiency of your solar cells.
So if you live in a 3,000 sqft house, you're talking, at minimum, about covering the entire sun-facing side of your roof with solar panels; and that's being really generous with the numbers.
(ten hours a day not 12, the sun is too close to the horizon at dawn and dusk to get any solar power)
I'm trying to be generous here.
Ach.
Sorry to've missed you too, Phila!
While I sit here and contemplate what it is I can do.
smalfish,bikerider | 07.29.07 - 12:01 am | # [kill][hide comment]
Sounds like the human condition to me. Again, so what?
The idea of universal justice is impossible without the idea of mastery over nature. Recognize the mastery or subject yourself to the master,
roe
Nonsense, roe, with all due respect. Creating harmony with nature is much wiser, and is attainable. Create mastery over yourself, over your own weak, cowardly Dark Side.
If humanity is all equal, as the Declaration of Independence and the Lotus Sutra state, then universal justice is simply the recognition of universal humanity, is it not?
It's a common goal of all people everywhere, throughout space and time.
It's not that I'm not culturally willing to opt out of my clothes dryer, it's that I am economically not willing.
smalfish,bikerider | 07.28.07 - 11:05 pm | #
Use the hot center of the dry clothes as a small oven for baking yummy treats like Naan.
Sounds like the human condition to me. Again, so what?
Phila, Pizen Sarpint | Homepage | 07.29.07 - 12:05 am | #
And as you head off to stain a floor, let me mention that I'm within 24 hours of reaching a deal on a great house in WI!
I'm trying to be generous here.
I own an acre of desert that I'm not doing much more than have a few out door patios, and a whole lot of mesquite, greasewood, cactus and ocatillo growing. One acre = 43,560 SqFt.
I've got plenty of space for solar cells.
And as you head off to stain a floor, let me mention that I'm within 24 hours of reaching a deal on a great house in WI!
rorschach, infogit | Homepage | 07.29.07 - 12:06 am | #
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Where at? Maybe I can help you move.
My "higher power" is the feeling I get when I know I am doing what is right, and the feeling I get when I know what I am doing is wrong.
Josh
And there it is. How could any "higher power" be anything other than your own True Self?
You used to be able to buy a VW TDI mini-PU truck. That got something in the mid to high 40sMPG. Made in Penn BTW, something the US workers there thought of. No longer sold in the US.
if memory serves, that was before VW started building turbocharged diesels.
I had an '83 diesel Rabbit. a little sluggish uphill, and not great acceleration, but really easy on the pocket. Diesel was cheaper than gasoline back then, and there were tax breaks on top of that.
VW is building a diesel car now that gets something like 74 mpg, but the clean air standards won't let them bring it here.
I've got plenty of space for solar cells.
Doug | 07.29.07 - 12:10 am | #
Shining Seas of Space for Silent Solar Cells.
Where at? Maybe I can help you move.
dmark | Homepage | 07.29.07 - 12:10 am | #
Appreciate the offer, but I'm moving from Austin to Oshkosh, and I have a lot of books, so I'm hiring movers.
I've got plenty of space for solar cells.
rock on.
I've got plenty of space for solar cells.
Doug
http://www.sierrasolar.com
They should be at a 30-degree south-facing angle to the sun, or on a solar-tracking grid. Tracking will increase your output by about 40%.
VW is building a diesel car now that gets something like 74 mpg, but the clean air standards won't let them bring it here.
For some states like Cal. For the others, it's the high sulfur diesel that those 'common rail' injector engines do not like. Most pumps in larger cities are already certified as being only low-sulfur diesel.
sheets
The original photovoltaic fields, as a cost saver, connected six tracking grids together, so making one ideally centered threw five others off, and the material was less resilient and subject to burn out on flash or low energy points at either end of the spectrum...
In other words, to save some they undercut the design and casued problems designed to stifle the arrival of solar market share...
Well, this place is called eschaton.
Better stop using your credit cards at gay bathhouses, Dunkinettes...Cheney is watching and, uh, mining..
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