I'MMA LET YOU FINISH
Dirty?
I don't really have the heart to run like this again...
And speaking of dirt, I have to clean the house...
Or at least the part you can see when you open the front door...
In Japan it seems like every empty city lot has cabbages or carrots or something growing in it. The point is to get the vegetables to you without having to bring them all the way from Salinas.
For the trick or treaters (and their parents)...
Detroit has some spare land.
you like eating, don't you? well, you may want to learn about the steps that lead to that, gain some skill with them. i know it's hard for most americans to understand, but bountiful, affordable fresh food steps away from your doorstep is not your birthright. yes, That could happen here.
They want everyone to have their own veggie patch? Wow, that would play hell on Monsanto and the Huge Trade gap.
Walking out to your backyard, even in an urban hellhole, to pick some fresh tomatoes, squash, cukes, whatever and then using them to prepare your meals is teh shit. It feels, looks and tastes great and gets you plugged into the food world directly. I live in a Denver urban hellhole and get hundreds of pounds of fresh veggies and herbs from my little 8 x 16 raised bed every year. It kicks ass.
It's good for the kids, too, dammit, even though I got none!
Getting a good soil test for lead, other metals and minerals and organic poisons would be the only rational way to start.
What's the point? From what I read poor neighborhoods don't get much in the way of produce and it's often unaffordable when they get it.
Do you feel the same way about lawns and ornamental plantings in urban settings? If those could support some wildlife I wouldn't have any problem with them but lawns are not noted for their biodiversity.
Or, maybe they want to save some paradise and stop putting up parking lots?
Either way, I think it's a good idea.
Ina --
Sorry we didn't get to see your brother in Dayton Monday.
Next year for sure....
They way the public option is now being considered, it is going to be a loser. Can you say "Adverse Selection?" The pool of people eligible for the public option are mostly the uninsurable. It is going to end up being dumping ground for the people private insurance companies do not want. The claim costs are going to be huge. The rates will have to skyrocket to keep up. Unless it is opened to everybody who wants it, including those with employee based insurance, it is never going to work.
gttim |
yup.
It takes 5 minutes of google research to find this long argument in favor of infrastructure spending by Larry Summers.
http://www.brookings.edu/~/
media..._transcript.pdf
Thanks God we have a progressive blogosphere that does research and thinking instead of just pushing some consensus narrative based on truthyness.
I think, at least in some inner city areas, it's a way to get affordable fresh fruit/vegetables that are otherwise unavailable.
(Sorry Rootless, this man is a condescending asshole)
(from below)
Further thought:
This IS the problem. This is HOW these people think of anyone who is not them.
Tell you what, let's fuck the banksters and their cronies for a while and give the money to the "Less educated male (and female) workers" while you go to prison for bit.
DWD Snoopy Dance | Homepage | 10.31.09 - 10:46 am
Deadthreaded:
Republican state Assemblywoman Dierdre Scozzafava has suspended her campaign for upstate New York's 23rd Congressional seat, leaving Democratic nominee Bill Owens and Conservative Party nominee Doug Hoffman in the race that will conclude Tuesday.
The move comes on the heels of a new poll that showed Scozzafava had fallen behind her two competitors in a race too close.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/...ional-campaign/
I would totally have a garden if I had a yard. And some free time. And the ability to grow things. Right now I have pots full of herbs in various stages of "sickly." I did like, back when we were growing lettuce in our window boxes instead of flowers, picking part of dinner right outside the kitchen door.
And it is miles cheaper to grow your own basil than to buy that sticky, unpleasant tasting shit from the grocery store.
A.
I dont know if there can be a "point"
But I like it.
It diversifies the types and origins of our food.
It teaches people about Biology, agriculture, society and whatnot.
It gets people off of their fat spotty backsides and gets them outside.
Probably makes areas look a little better? maybe?
Did I take the bait too willingly?
Contrarian? How's this: It's a religious thing, like sack-cloth and riding bicycles and killing only defenceless vegetables and stuff...
You can convert a site by planting ornamentals at first, many of which have significant cleaning benefits to soil over time. Veggies should not be planted until soil can be tested and determined to be safe.
Thanks for inviting a whole new class of trolls, Atrios.
i'm not talking about people having gardens, i'm talking about larger scale commercial (including nonprofit) agriculture
Ina --
Sorry we didn't get to see your brother in Dayton Monday.
Next year for sure....
steve simels
Thank you for saying so. As I said to the trolls who seemed to want to take up my cause, If I were in Paris with my partner and someone on a blog was telling me to go visit their brother, I wouldn't, unless it was on my way somewhere.
I'm only sad because I would love a pic of the two of you together
but I really don't get what the point of promoting urban agriculture more widely is.
mmm...what don't you get about it?
er, Victory Gardens saved Americans billions of dollars and plenty of fuel.
Onka wants only conctrete and glass in his cities!
oh dear next door have the chainsaw out, cutting down branches and its upset Heidi
her tail is all fuzzy and she's growling
From what I read poor neighborhoods don't get much in the way of produce and it's often unaffordable when they get it.
Plus, lots of vacant lots what aren't being developed would be better off as fields of food than hangouts for crackheads. But I agree that the safety of eating anything grown in former industrial sites is, erm, doubtful.
A.
i'm not talking about people having gardens, i'm talking about larger scale commercial (including nonprofit) agriculture
Keeping money in a community? That's a benefit. Promoting a healthy, self-sustaining neighborhood? That's a benefit.
Not a bad idea to learn first-hand where food comes from, and the answer is NOT the grocery store.
Fresh air, exercise, perhaps some chatting with the neighbors and healthy food at the end of it---don't do it if you don't like it but I'd argue it's well worth supporting the concept.
i'm talking about larger scale commercial (including nonprofit) agriculture
Atrios
I had a vision of amber waves of grain instead of tar beaches.
Veggies should not be planted until soil can be tested and determined to be safe.
What plantsman says.
i'm talking about larger scale commercial (including nonprofit) agriculture
Atrios
What if the alternative was a parking garage??
"i'm not talking about people having gardens, i'm talking about larger scale commercial (including nonprofit) agriculture
Atrios"
Ohhhhhhhhhhh. Well, there went the thought about neighbors trading for what they didn't plant.
I'm not for the big Monsanto farms. Nope. We need to put them out of biz and do only heirlooms.
Veggies should not be planted until soil can be tested and determined to be safe.
plantsman
Hey, we planted (& ate) potatoes right next to the road where we park our car and there's nothing wrong with us and there's nothing wrong with us and there's nothing wrong with us...
What if the alternative was a parking garage??
slartibartfast
Well played, sirrah
can't expect Phillie downtowners to understand.
Here in the burbs we belong to a csa (community supported agriculture) that entirely supports a farmer in northern MA. The csa movement keeps agriculturally zoned land from falling into the hands of developers, and the few rural areas are worth preserving.
Secondly, once you get up and running, the backyard saves $ and you get fresh eats. Not to mention healing endomorphs from being out in nature.
DWD - Summers is certainly a condescending asshole. But he's not against infrastructure spending and has been arguing in favor of infrastructure spending since 2008. I find his arguments annoying and limited - it's obvious that Kennedy airport is the place where he runs into failed infrastructure. But the fact is that Summers has been arguing for infrastructure spending since well before he was appointed by Obama, so it's ridiculous to whine about his supposed opposition.
AssFault is pretty easy to maintain huh.
Tarzan - The next general election is "very likely" to produce a hung parliament, former deputy prime minister Lord Heseltine has said.
This was because to take overall control, the Conservatives needed the biggest electoral swing, "with two exceptions, since the war", he said.
Speaking on the BBC's Straight Talk with Andrew Neil, Lord Heseltine ruled out a return to government.
David Cameron "does not need 77-year-olds in his government", he said.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/83.../uk/
8335377.stm
Did you see the Obamas sweet potatoes?
They're HUGE!
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/...te-house-
garden
A lot of the benefits of growing your own food become obvious once you try it.
Lots of old and poor people simply can not afford vegetables, and the community non-profit is their ONLY source.
Lois returns in 5 ... 4 ... 3 ...
They way the public option is now being considered, it is going to be a loser.
Oh, how shrill!
i'm not talking about people having gardens, i'm talking about larger scale commercial (including nonprofit) agriculture
Atrios |
hee hee, it's true i'm a troll on this issue. ok.
larger scale urban growing makes sense for lots of reasons. how about doing something with all that empty real estate? creating hydroponic farms out of them addresses several problems at the same time. in the new economy in which there's no job growth from the corporations, it's also an easy way for munis to put some of their idle to work, work that actually has a benefit to the immediate community too. energy and environmental benefits are also part of the package, and done properly you also get the bonus of beautification, but that's gaii so let's not talk about that too much.
i'm sure others have additional thoughts. but like the incredibly boring topic of Supertrains, urban gardening is just one of those common sense things we can and should do, that saves money and doesn't cost much and we can do right now.
you like eating, don't you? well, you may want to learn about the steps that lead to that...
Why not urban butchering?
The Giant Puppets on Bikes usually tend to the urban gardens. Maybe that's his concern.
again, not talking about people growing their own food or community gardens. We of course have CSAs and similar in Philly too, which support local, but not urban, farms.
Let's also consider the acres of arable land outside the cities paved over for highways to bring in the commuters. Certainly been the case here.
Summers is too wedded to the morality of 90s economics. And he's an asshole.
If the Obama presidency fails it will be largely because he listened to people like Summers, I suspect.
SUPERTRAINS ain't transporting the veggies from the farms into the city.
Lots of old and poor people simply can not afford vegetables, and the community non-profit is their ONLY source.
Moe Szyslak | Homepage | 10.31.09 - 11:28 am | #
And if you don't live in a trendy part of town, you probably do not have access to actual grocery stores.
i'm talking about larger scale commercial (including nonprofit) agriculture
Atrios
It's another opportunity, right up their with bars and sports, for urbanites to interact with each other. It's a community builder.
i dig gardening
Atrios--what about the folks who would like to make some money farming and still live in the city at the same time. Is it the amount of space this takes up that bothers you?
Well then what are you talking about?
sadly its the same here, the very same people who cause this crash are still in positions of power and the companies are enjoying massive bonuses again, all paid for by us the taxpayers
repugnant
...i'm talking about larger scale commercial (including nonprofit) agriculture.
Ummmmm... what? Got link???
And Brian returns as well...
I agree about urban gardening but part of the problem is also education. It never ceases to amaze me how so many people don't even have basic understanding of nutrition.
AssFault is pretty easy to maintain huh.
Asphalt requires a lot of maintenance, hence the crumbling nature of so many of our roadways.
I briefly worked for the TN Dept of Transportation -- among other things, rating pavement for inclusion in future resurfacing projects.
Seriously, we have enough of the corporate farms. I say no more of those wicked things. We need real American farmers back with food we can trust to eat.
Here, you normally can't plant basil until June; if you plant too soon it sprouts and sulks to death unless warmth comes.
Well, not yet, it seems...
In fact, the very argument Atrios makes about municipal projects was made by Summers in 2008.
And Brian returns as well...
steve simels, amiable zany | Homepage | 10.31.09 - 11:31 am | #
I don't see him yet ... .
Thanks for inviting a whole new class of trolls, Atrios.
AndyG
Eastern Yourpeein crisis rolls on
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/
ne...id=aPPs6IULaqLs
I guess they have kona kai farms or whatever that grows lettuce down in the flats of Berkeley, but if you asked me to come up with any other commercial-scale operation that's right in some Bay Area city, I'm stumped.
It's a community builder.
Moe Szyslak
The UAC, Urban Agriculture Corps.
I'd love to see the people in the inner city be able to give the finger to the "heartland" folk who have been giving it to them for years, too.
I really don't get what the point of promoting urban agriculture more widely is.
answers from the First Lady:
http://blogs.reuters.com/frontro...he-white-house/
plantsman--I did see the huge sweet potatoes and was quite impressed. I love a sweet potato
again, not talking about people growing their own food or community gardens. We of course have CSAs and similar in Philly too, which support local, but not urban, farms.
Atrios
The most successful urban farm I know of is the Intervale, right adjacent to downtown Burlington, Vermont. It's a non-profit, and includes several large farms, but also a community garden for something like 500 residential plots.
I'm trying hard to find something wrong with this. Really don't understand your point.
Those combines rolling down the streets of Philly would be a pain in the ass for people driving cars.
can't really comment much on this subject, as well i don't know much about it
Pooty-poot is gonna mess up Europe's gas for heat again this winter. Nothing like proving what an unreliable partner you are, Vlad.
Gmorning friends from my chilly little suburban hellhole.
can't really comment much on this subject, as well i don't know much about it
Moonbootica
Doesn't stop the rest of us. Comment away.
I don't see him yet ... .
Brooklyn Girl, shady dame | Homepage | 10.31.09 - 11:32 am | #
He's not showing up on my end, either.
hee hee, it's true i'm a troll on this issue. ok.
Have you ever heard of or met Kathy Sneed?
Did you see the Obamas sweet potatoes?
They're HUGE!
plantsman
Stop staring at my sweet potatos! My eyes are UP HERE, mister!
Someone must be looking for a permit to park a tractor in front of our host's pad.
I work with college educated young women who don't have a clue about how to eat. Even though they both have access to decent food, they don't buy it. Sugar and fat make up the bulk of their diets. They're both overweight and one of them has incipient diabetes. Then throw in the fact that they have kids who see endless commercials for fast food on tv ...
Commercial scale argiculture requires HUUUGE tracts of land, doesn't it? For most cash crops, which would be the point of comercial agriculture, anyhoo? I don't understand why anyone would be pushing for commercial ag in urban areas. You can't do it, my friends.
My 10x20 plot in a Seattle community garden (P Patch) near the Univerity of Washington produces flowers as well as vegetables, attracts passers-by who monitor progress of crops and advise on landscaping. This small patch serves as a creative outlet for 15 gardeners (never mind we don't know what we are doing agriculturally) and feeds countless bees, birds and - less helpfully - squirrels. Seedless bare spots are a playground for rolling neighborhood cats. All in all, a thriving social scene surrounded by towering poplars,pines, Oregon grape and Japanese maples. What we can't eat goes to our local food bank, where the lines grow longer every day.
Michelle, you obviously don't know me very well.
i guess its not a huh hot point issue for me or something i get really opinionated about
*shrugs* lots of valid points being made
hydroponics, bitches
Seems I read somewhere that the Amish went to building furniture and stuff because farm land was too expensive.
Does this have anything to do with the thread?
I wish I could remember how much Michelle Obama's garden cost as opposed to what it produced. It was a rather good return for value.
it's also a growth industry. something we could export, if we got good enough at it. take the example of cuba. cut off by embargo, they had to feed themselves, just off what they could grown on that tiny island. do you really think americans could handle a challenge like that right now? but let's just say we pretended to take food seriously for a change, and dedicated ourselves to the project of large scale urban gardening projects. think about all the superslums around the world in which such technologies could be exported. we have the capital and labor pool to develop tech like that, they don't.
The argument in favor of municipal gardening was made by Peter Kropotkin a long time ago.
I do know that the residents of a newer development boilt in the shadow of an oil refinery in the far-east bay have been specifically told NOT to grow edible fruits and vegetables in their yards, or to even get their hands in the dirt, due to "health concerns"...
With hydroponics, can't gardens be multi-story?
I am for it but i don't like some of the more evangelical sides to it
or 'middle class' attitudes, which looks down on the less well off for eating yes rubbish but they feel superior, it becomes another dividing issue
if that makes sense
hard to articulate
Urban agriculture may be a leftover from the 60's, when many folks dropped out and started growing food.
Making it without money - has a certain relevance to today.
A significant part of why I wanted to move out to the burbs was because there was no space to grow anything in Berkeley. Now that I've got that little piece of land, I figure I owe it to the planet to cultivate the earth there in some beneficieal way.
Toonscribe:...urban job security. Big bucks retoppin and lines, gotta paint lines.
The large corporate farms with their GM food won't like the idea of urban gardens one bit.
The wind is howling most appropriately for the day outside my window.
Seems I read somewhere that the Amish went to building furniture and stuff because farm land was too expensive.
Does this have anything to do with the thread?
PeasantParty
Yes, and no. The Amish population in Lancaster County has continued to increase even as farmland was developed. As a result, fewer families can be supported by the existing farmland.
Some turn to trades, some move to other states.
Commercial scale argiculture requires HUUUGE tracts of land, doesn't it?
No.
I know people who do quite well on a couple of acres. The smaller the farm, the greater the production.
Corn syrup and fat make up the bulk of their diets.
FYT... no - really!
A productive vegetable garden doesn't have to be large; double-dug raised beds are often compact and so crowded with veggies weeds won't fit.
I do know that the residents of a newer development boilt in the shadow of an oil refinery in the far-east bay have been specifically told NOT to grow edible fruits and vegetables in their yards, or to even get their hands in the dirt, due to "health concerns"...
dave™©
I am sure the corporation responsible will clean it up ASAP
With hydroponics, can't gardens be multi-story?
Brooklyn Girl, shady dame |
Only if you've got a few extra suns in the back pocket of your overalls...
but thats a different subject entirely
More and larger rooftop decks would create lots of space to plant.
We have a smallish back yard but no interest in gardening. If it were up to me, we would not have a yard at all. A nicely hardscaped patio with potted plants and a few trees around the edges sounds fine to me.
I confess, I've never been able to get anything to grow. I do fine with animals. Plants, not so much.
Ten years ago, I told Monsieur that we get a gardener or I kill the lawn.
FYT... no - really!
dave™© | Homepage | 10.31.09 - 11:38 am | #
I get your point, and it's both, actually.
No.
I know people who do quite well on a couple of acres. The smaller the farm, the greater the production.
Moe Szyslak
Do they grow cash crops? When A was talking about commercial ag in urban areas, I assumed he meant cash crop agriculture, or monoculture, in urban areas. I may be misunderstanding the conversation.
Deacon, our backyard is pretty destroyed from the dogs. I'd like one area with some grass so that Maddy could play there (once I get my visits back), with some fencing, and then leave the remainder for the dogs. We have a huge lanai. What it needs is some new furniture.
Only if you've got a few extra suns in the back pocket of your overalls...
slartibartfast | 10.31.09 - 11:39 am | #
There are synthetic light sources. Just ask all the people growing pot.
Commercial scale argiculture requires HUUUGE tracts of land, doesn't it? For most cash crops, which would be the point of comercial agriculture, anyhoo? I don't understand why anyone would be pushing for commercial ag in urban areas. You can't do it, my friends.
left rev
this is completely untrue. the reason we have so many amber fields of grain in this country is because we have so many cows to feed. you'd be amazed at what else can be grown beyond corn. and in small spaces. hydroponics isn't just for stoners anymore. no one argues that dense urban centers could completely feed themselves, but there are tremendous margins that could be made by significant commitment to urban growning, in many areas of sociological measure.
"Some turn to trades, some move to other states.
jac, satyrical"
Thanks, Jac. I thought so. I can't remember where I read that piece. I am severely against corporate farming though. I think America can live off it's own farm families and should. One of the worst ever Ag Dept. issues was paying farmers not to farm.
Michelle didn't get all weird about what she was growing and I think worked hard not to look down on poorer people by encouraging folks to do whatever they could.
There are synthetic light sources. Just ask all the people growing pot.
This might be the only growth industry left in the US.
I know people who do quite well on a couple of acres. The smaller the farm, the greater the production.
Moe Szyslak
That lettuce place down in the flats of Berkeley was certainly less than an acre. It was all drip-irrigated raised bins of optimal soil with walkways in between them. With the climate there, they could grow it all year round. Half the local restaurants got their mesclun there.
i just hate google books.
My garden, is always, beautiful, always.
Do they grow cash crops? When A was talking about commercial ag in urban areas, I assumed he meant cash crop agriculture, or monoculture, in urban areas. I may be misunderstanding the conversation.
left rev.,HardCoreNana
If you know what you're doing and you get good weather, etc. you can make quite a bit out of a pretty small garden. If you grow specialty crops you can make a lot of money selling them at a farmer's market. Especially in the city.
If you grow hemp... the sky's the limit.
With hydroponics, can't gardens be multi-story?
Which brings up a good point: if you're really interested in the cutting-edge of urban gardening, turn to the pot farmers.
don't get what the point of promoting urban agriculture more widely is.
Uh....beauty. Harmony between self and environment. Forcing hyped-up modern attention to the slower pace of plant growth and insect life.
Do they grow cash crops? When A was talking about commercial ag in urban areas, I assumed he meant cash crop agriculture, or monoculture, in urban areas. I may be misunderstanding the conversation.
left rev.
I know one guy who lives about two miles from my house. I live downtown. He's got two acres, only one of it planted, and sells only at the farmers' market-- what you would call a truck farm. By having lots of different crops, and staying on top of them, he has something to sell, from March through, well, he wasn't at the market this morning, first time, so October. He and his wife live on this income.
Thanks for inviting a whole new class of trolls, Atrios.
AndyG
I'm a farm troll
Goddamnit, am I Brian yet?
There are synthetic light sources. Just ask all the people growing pot.
Brooklyn Girl, shady dame
Yabbut if you have to use electricity to generate all that light you're quadrupling the carbon footprint of your veggies and also increasing the price by tenfold.
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If there were any decent restaurants in town, we could probably get a little cash from our backyard. The arugula grows like -- like -- like some sort of wildly-growing thing... can't think of the word...
Deacon, our backyard is pretty destroyed from the dogs. I'd like one area with some grass so that Maddy could play there (once I get my visits back), with some fencing, and then leave the remainder for the dogs. We have a huge lanai. What it needs is some new furniture.
Sallyh, Grandmere Poissonniere
When we moved here from Colorado about 10 years ago, Mrs. Blues insisted we have a yard for the boy to play in. I wanted a townhouse on a zero-lot line with garage off alley in back and small hardscaped patio in front. We got the house with the small yard (of course) --- ironically, the boy turned out to be a total house mouse who is happiest on his gaming system or computer. 
Yabbut if you have to use electricity to generate all that light you're quadrupling the carbon footprint of your veggies and also increasing the price by tenfold.
slartibartfast
I was waiting for Moe to say that.
fuck u haloscan
Well, A, there's this whole thing about transporting food a long way from the country to the city. Yeah, get a lead reading. There's a collective in Baltimore that grows sunflowers in lead contaminated soil to remove the lead but the sunflowers have to be disposed of as toxic waste.
Can save money, give better food if done right.
We didn't plant any veggies this year because of the water situation in SoCal. Watering everything in a semi-desert in the middle of a drought makes it too expensive and wasteful for a home gardener IMO.
The common name for arugula before arugula was "rocket."
Goddamnit, am I Brian yet?
The real question is: where the hell are my Dayton postcards - you know, "ze kind men like"???
So I guess Atrios' plan to forcibly relocate rural dwellers to Manhattan and take away their cars doesn't involve using them as slave labor on urban farms.
Good pot, selling at around $3k/pound, is pretty unique as an agricultural commodity.
Bluesman, Farm troll, and damn proud of it.
this is completely untrue. the reason we have so many amber fields of grain in this country is because we have so many cows to feed. you'd be amazed at what else can be grown beyond corn. and in small spaces. hydroponics isn't just for stoners anymore. no one argues that dense urban centers could completely feed themselves, but there are tremendous margins that could be made by significant commitment to urban growning, in many areas of sociological measure.
chicago dyke, werewoman
Most of the corn grown around here goes to ethanol and, yes, animal feed. The farmers rent their land to big commercial outfits because families can't afford to do it themselves anymore. The older folks hate this state of affairs.
Maybe commercial farming wasn't what Atrios was referring to. I just assumed so. I like your scenario much better.
I quite strongly dislike gardening. Like reading about other people doing all that work, though. I also really enjoy the fruits of their labor. I have the last of my neighbors tomatoes sitting on the counter right now. They will make a lovely salad.
Deacon, we did have a large Doughboy pool when Mlle was younger, and a swing set. We now have a slide/climber for Maddy and a sandbox, but they don't take up much space. In the summer we have a wading pool for her.
I was waiting for Moe to say that.
noblejoanie |
I was about to.
My garden, btw, is basically 40 x 20, plus lots of fruit trees. We don't buy veggies or fruits, year round.
Do they grow cash crops? When A was talking about commercial ag in urban areas, I assumed he meant cash crop agriculture, or monoculture, in urban areas. I may be misunderstanding the conversation.
left rev.
again, the benefits to large scale urban growing extend beyond someone making money from it, sigh. we're likely looking at a pretty large, pretty entrenched urban underclass that's only going to grow as Villagers continue to mismanage the economy. would you like those people to have something to do? something that even saves the state (perhaps "insignificant" amounts of) money? blah blah, beautification the environment fresh air neighborliness children sunshine rainbows, too. legalize pot, and you could also have enormous amounts of tax revenue. but now i'm just trolling.
:arugula: :arugula: :arugula: :arugula:
:arugula: :arugula: :arugula: :arugula:
:arugula: :arugula: :arugula: :arugula:
Just doesn't have the same ring to it.
The natural time to garden in Southern California would seem to be during the winter rains -- and if this is an El Nińo year, that should be possible.
You’ll know you’re at the right place when you start seeing transvestites.
Words to live by...
this is completely untrue. the reason we have so many amber fields of grain in this country is because we have so many cows to feed. you'd be amazed at what else can be grown beyond corn. and in small spaces. hydroponics isn't just for stoners anymore. no one argues that dense urban centers could completely feed themselves, but there are tremendous margins that could be made by significant commitment to urban growning, in many areas of sociological measure.
chicago dyke, werewoman | Homepage | 10.31.09 - 11:41 am
You could turn those abandoned skyscrapers in Detroit into vertical gardens.
The common name for arugula before arugula was "rocket."
plantsman
The early yuppies who encouraged the produce managers to stock the stuff liked to call it "Ruges". Was at a dinner party with a law firm partner and had to endure his spouse saying "We got X store to stock "ruges" after we sampled it in, was it our first or second trip to, China, Bob"?
plantsman, so we've heard. But we've only seen two days of rain this fall.
We'll see how the winter progresses.
My garden, btw, is basically 40 x 20, plus lots of fruit trees. We don't buy veggies or fruits, year round.
Moe Szyslak
I've got a fair bit more space than that, but the question of water is rather dicey here. I've got about 20'X20' in veggies. Any more would use too much water. Unless I dig a well.....
The arugula emoticon no longer works.
again, the benefits to large scale urban growing extend beyond someone making money from it, sigh. we're likely looking at a pretty large, pretty entrenched urban underclass that's only going to grow as Villagers continue to mismanage the economy. would you like those people to have something to do? something that even saves the state (perhaps "insignificant" amounts of) money? blah blah, beautification the environment fresh air neighborliness children sunshine rainbows, too. legalize pot, and you could also have enormous amounts of tax revenue. but now i'm just trolling.
chicago dyke, werewoman
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ChiDy, that is exactly what I keep referring to as the underground economy. I'm sick to death of the destruction of GOP'ers on economic strides, but really sick of Dems scratching their asses.
The arugula emoticon no longer works.
Bob and Lenore
I blame GWPDA.
can save money
nice use of time
a little exercise
get hands dirty
feel your roots, so to speak
fresh food
teaches kids
distracts from the bad side of politics
something you can do and see results
beats playing potsie for 30+ year olds
place for other people's cats to shit
that says it all
I am sure the corporation responsible will clean it up ASAP
They were the ones that issued the warning. What - you want something else? We're just a poor little multi-national oil conglomerate, you urban bloodsucker!
abandoned skyscrapers in Detroit into vertical gardens
Exactly...Unless everyone enjoys the endtimes feel of neglected urban decay???
I understand people are starting large farms in Detroit. The real estate values are essentially zero, so it makes sense. Seem like the highest return on the property.
What is Atrios' point, anyway? I don't get it enough to even disagree with, unless he's just dissing agriculture for the hell of it.
...but more importantly, the soil in my little plot sucks ass. It will take decades to fix that without spending hella money on imported dirt.
...but more importantly, the soil in my little plot sucks ass. It will take decades to fix that without spending hella money on imported dirt.
slartibartfast
Compost, compost, compost.
Dirt, eeettts so fil-thy!!!
topsy turvy. turning the world of gardening upside down.
What is Atrios' point, anyway? I don't get it enough to even disagree with, unless he's just dissing agriculture for the hell of it.
As a child, Mr. Gteenjeans terrified him...
Indoor ag need lots of energy for pumping water, heat and burning lights.
It's probably worse than importing food from Mexico, in terms of GHG emissions.
Duncan, you really should check out Mill Creek or Greensgrow.
the soil in my little plot sucks ass. It will take decades to fix that without spending hella money on imported dirt.
slartibartfast
Don't be so sure. Some bags of cow manure, sand, and your own compost will go a long way. Your municipality almost certainly gives away free compost as well. Get a small tiller (< $100) and get to work.
He and his wife live on this income.
Moe Szyslak
i've come across not a few websites of urban farmers who make 0000s on tiny plots with really poor dirt. they sell cultivars that are easy to grow with virtually no effort or water or light, like hostas, and have a big plant sale once or twice a year. perhaps not enough to live upon, but certainly a welcome infusion of major cash. i'm seriously thinking about doing something like that in the coming years. i have enough mature cultivars at this point, it's not hard to split them into attractive salable plants.
What is Atrios' point, anyway? I don't get it enough to even disagree with, unless he's just dissing agriculture for the hell of it.
Moe Szyslak
J.K. Galbraith did say that agronomists were the bottom of the scale in respect among economists.
I don't know? Afraid of worms?
I can see his point about soil contaminants which is always the first thing I think about.
Slarti, look into any horse stables nearby. Horse poop is not too "hot" and greatly improves tilth.
Get a small tiller (< $100) and get to work.
Jesus, it's like fucking Red China!
Atrios, I know you are not talking about this either, but: in my town, there is still farmland that has not been sold off for housing. Right smack in the middle of an urban residential area. The farmhouse is still there and they grow crops and tend dairy cows.
The land where your house stands was probably farmland at one point, no? What's really the problem of converting back to it, assuming the ground is safe?
As a child, Mr. Gteenjeans terrified him...
So was Captain Kangaroo having a thing with him? Or was it Bunny Rabbit? The Dancing Bear?
I'm so confused.
I guess I am confused as to what, exactly, Atrios means when he refers to commercial agriculture.
My experience has been mainly with kitchen gardens, small fields of alfalfa hay for the ex horses, window boxes and community gardens. None of those seem "comercial" to me.
slartibartfast, a pickup truck load of cow shit goes a long way.
Slarti, look into any horse stables nearby. Horse poop is not too "hot" and greatly improves tilth.
plantsman
I hear goat poop is the best (Yes, I hear it from my friend who has goats).
take care everyone.
Afraid of worms?
Shai-Hulud?!?!?!
Jesus, it's like fucking Red China!
dave™©
"I did NOT have sexual relations with that Communist Country, Red China." - jac
We have a wonderfully-productive orange tree in the back yard, and three tangerine trees. An apple tree that sucks, and a peach tree that the birds eat all the fruit from. And a recovering Meyer lemon that had to be severely trimmed due to some kind of illness.
Get a small tiller (< $100) and get to work.
Two words, deep mulch.
the soil in my little plot sucks ass. It will take decades to fix that without spending hella money on imported dirt.
slartibartfast
Don't be so sure. Some bags of cow manure, sand, and your own compost will go a long way. Your municipality almost certainly gives away free compost as well. Get a small tiller (< $100) and get to work.
jac, satyrical | 10.31.09 - 11:52 am | #
When we moved to Dayton (Paris of the Midwest), the soil in our suburban land sucked. After just 2 years of composting it was much, much better.
The common name for arugula before arugula was "rocket."
plantsman, mad google skillz | Homepage | 10.31.09 - 11:45 am | #
Trader Joe's markets it that way.
All their food, both fresh and frozen, is incredibly cheap and delicious. So having great markets in an urban environment can be a reality.
Bologna roll!
I guess I am confused as to what, exactly, Atrios means when he refers to commercial agriculture.
left rev.
And, typical for a troll, he ran away after getting his butt kicked.
Of course, I'm in a rural area, so my understanding of agriculture is skewed somewhat towards commercial .monoculture
Deacon, we had a peach tree and a plum tree, now deceased. But the plum tree fruited for nearly ten years.
Well, goats and horses are both vegetarians, so I wouldn't be a bit surprised.
I've put about six yards of city compost, plus three yards of sand, plus every year a load of horse shit, and my own compost into the garden. It was once, essentially, a granite slab with a couple of inches of topsoil to support grass. Now, it's great soil.
Compost, compost, compost.
noblejoanie
I'd say the soil where I live needs about a good 3" of compost worked into it to turn it into anything worthwhile. so that would be .25 cubic feet of compost per square foot. At about 10k square feet, that's 2,500 cubic feet/27 = 92 cubic yards of compost = $ 5,520 for Diamond K farms to leave that in your driveway with about 20 dumptruck runs...
♥ ♥ ♥ ♥ ♥ Sallyh! ♥ ♥ ♥ ♥ ♥
I'm crazy for Meyer lemons!
Slarti, look into any horse stables nearby. Horse poop is not too "hot" and greatly improves tilth.
plantsman, mad google skillz | Homepage | 10.31.09 - 11:53 am |
My landlord got his off of craigslist, all he had to do was go and pick it up-was already bagged. Let it age, and you're good to go.
goats = $10 each at the local stockyard
poop!
...but more importantly, the soil in my little plot sucks ass. It will take decades to fix that without spending hella money on imported dirt.
Can you compost? I have a garbage can (with lid) outside next to the kitchen door, and all my vegetable cuttings, coffee grinds, eggshells, etc. goes into it. You don't need anything fancy, and by May you have beautiful, dark compost, made from your bio garbage.
Think I'll win?
Prolly not. The cute factor just aint there. I like it, tho...
MoJo linky
At about 10k square feet, that's 2,500 cubic feet/27 = 92 cubic yards of compost = $ 5,520 for Diamond K farms to leave that in your driveway with about 20 dumptruck runs...
slartibartfast
But you don't have to do every square inch - do just enough for a garden.
So was Captain Kangaroo having a thing with him?
Jesus, always with teh gaii sex...
Can the food scraps, etc. from kitchen garbage disposals be used for compost? I'm asking because our Billionaire Mayor wanted to tax plastic grocery bags, until somebody made it clear to him that a lot of people use them for their wet garbage. We don't have disposals here in the city, although they're legal. Wouldn't it make sense for the city to encourage their use?
Chickens are great fertilizers, too. You move the hen house each year, and the old run is great to plant in.
vertical farming:
http://www.verticalfarm.com/
it's like fucking Red China!
the people are the heroes now behemoth pulls the peasants' plow
when we look up
the fields are white
the fields are white with harvest in the morning light
and mountain ranges one by one
rise red beneath our harvest moon
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I...h?
v=IThtQy6Wxpo
Compost, compost, compost.
noblejoanie
Even better, urban biogas from food waste.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B...h?
v=BGSl72xZHNk
Cooking fuel and fertilizer.
Get a small tiller (< $100) and get to work.
I actually decided not to have circular intercourse with any cheapo tillers and got myself a decent one. I have zero regrets about that so far.
I am deadicated to the task of improving the soil on my property, but it's going to take a lot of time, effort, water, and horseshit.
I'm crazy for Meyer lemons!
plantsman, mad google skillz | Homepage | 10.31.09 - 11:57 am | #
Intense and yummy.
Subscribe to freecycle and put an ad up for leaves... you'll have more than you can possibly use in a matter of days.
Think I'll win?
Prolly not. The cute factor just aint there. I like it, tho...
MoJo linky
Meanie-meanie, tickle a person
I'd vote for His Lardship.
Ooops, Freecycle:
http://www.freecycle.org/
Can the food scraps, etc. from kitchen garbage disposals be used for compost?
You don't want to put meat scraps in it, or eggs, as that'll attract the rats and raccoons. Everything else is fine.
Atrios, I know you are not talking about this either, but: in my town, there is still farmland that has not been sold off for housing. Right smack in the middle of an urban residential area. The farmhouse is still there and they grow crops and tend dairy cows.
The land where your house stands was probably farmland at one point, no? What's really the problem of converting back to it, assuming the ground is safe?
Marcellina
There are still large tracts of ag in southern Orange County CA, hard up against new housing and commercial development. There is a small farm a few miles from my house, right up against the 405 freeway. They have cows and pumpkins.
vertical farming:
http://www.verticalfarm.com/
Buckeye ... | 10.31.09 - 11:58 am | #
That's great!
I am deadicated to the task of improving the soil on my property, but it's going to take a lot of time, effort, water, and horseshit.
slartibartfast
Well, print out the comment threads here and shread them.
Instant horseshit compost.
I hear goat poop is the best
Rabbit droppings are highly valued...
"But I agree that the safety of eating anything grown in former industrial sites is, erm, doubtful."
just one more reason to stay outta urban hellholes. even the dirt will kill ya.
You don't want to put meat scraps in it, or eggs, as that'll attract the rats and raccoons. Everything else is fine.
Moe Szyslak | Homepage | 10.31.09 - 11:59 am | #
Rats? Here?
Well, this wood won't move itself. I better get to work. See ya'all later.
I have a garbage can (with lid) outside next to the kitchen door, and all my vegetable cuttings, coffee grinds, eggshells, etc. goes into it. You don't need anything fancy, and by May you have beautiful, dark compost, made from your bio garbage.
Exactly. Start w a small plot and amend that soil. In a year or two, spread out a bit more. My county gives out for free the garbage cans w air holes punched in them.
Can the food scraps, etc. from kitchen garbage disposals be used for compost?
As long as it's vegetable matter. You don't want meat or cheese remnants in there, it'll attract flies.
The exception is eggshells.
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'Pants Off Dance Off's strippers are real yelping, whooping, I'm-mad-me irritants'
goats = $10 each at the local stockyard
Don't try it without really, really good fences. They'll eat your garden, get in the street and get killed and get you into a lot of trouble.
Do not, under any circumstances, keep an uncastrated buck in the city. They are the smelliest, most obnoxious farm animals in the world.
Can the food scraps, etc. from kitchen garbage disposals be used for compost? I'm asking because our Billionaire Mayor wanted to tax plastic grocery bags, until somebody made it clear to him that a lot of people use them for their wet garbage. We don't have disposals here in the city, although they're legal. Wouldn't it make sense for the city to encourage their use?
Brooklyn Girl, shady dame | Homepage | 10.31.09 - 11:58 am
Oh, yes.
http://www.epa.gov/waste/conserv...sting/
index.htm
http://www.howtocompost.org/
http://www.gardeners.com/
Compost...default,sc.html
Rabbit droppings are highly valued...
dave™©
We have a housebunny whose litter is this pine pellet product. Was wondering if I should dump it in the garden, concerned this might acidify. Anyone know?
What is Atrios' point, anyway?
A nice empty plot of land in Cupertino, for example, was declared a SuperFund site. You couldn't tell by looking at it. Get the soil tested for TCE as well.
I suspect Atrios likes food or he'd be dead; he does seem disconnected from the natural world.
Subscribe to freecycle and put an ad up for leaves...
Do you want my styrofoam peanuts?
You can have my styrofoam peanuts...
They're on
CRAAAAAAAAIGSLIST!
Yeah! Baby, come on!
I already have a big compost pile into which all of my kitchen scraps go when It's working. With the recent rains anfd the beginning of the leaf drop, I've now got enough raw material to get it fired up again. Last year's pile is all done and ready to till into the veggie garden, so I don't really want to put any rotten cabbages into it right now.
Oh, and keeping unsecured goats will also attract Republican troll boys.
Do you want my styrofoam peanuts?
You can have my styrofoam peanuts...
They're on
CRAAAAAAAAIGSLIST!
Yeah! Baby, come on!
dave™© | Homepage | 10.31.09 - 12:01 pm | #
I bring them over to my local UPS store. They re-use them.
Bologna roll!
(To the tune of Banana Phone)
I bring them over to my local UPS store. They re-use them.
Brooklyn Girl, shady dame
You're a mensch.
That wouldn't even have occurred to me.
Although, are you sure they're styrofoam? A lot of the time these days they're cornstarch based.
We have a housebunny whose litter is this pine pellet product.
Pine isn't really that good for rabbits - not sure about its composting value.
We use a litter product called "Cat Country," and there are also paper-based "pellet" litters on the market, with a layer of hay on top. It all goes into our compost pile.
I didn't compost for a long time because I thought it was complicated — that you needed to aerate it in a fancy, expensive, turnable bin, and add special stuff to it. But really, it does all the work itself.
http://dwardmac.pitzer.edu/anarc...kin/
fields.html
The anarchists were really geeks, the communists were economists. Unfortunate the economists prevailed.
I'd like to applaud the city of San Francisco for mandating the sorting and pickup of kitchen biowastes.
'm crazy for Meyer lemons!
plantsman, mad google skillz | Homepage | 10.31.09 - 11:57 am | #
Intense and yummy.
Brooklyn Girl, shady dame
I like a little squeeze of Meyer lemon juice in my martini, and a twist.
I bring them over to my local UPS store. They re-use them.
Weird scenes inside the gold mine...
But really, it does all the work itself.
Marcellina
Easy as dirt.
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Do not, under any circumstances, keep an uncastrated buck in the city. They are the smelliest, most obnoxious farm animals in the world.
Anthony McCarthy
Mickey Kaus disagrees.
Do not, under any circumstances, keep an uncastrated buck in the city. They are the smelliest, most obnoxious farm animals in the world.
Anthony McCarthy
The neighbor kitty corner to our back yard, an 85 year-old lady, has three goats. The male wasm allowed to mature uncut in the hope that he would sire some kids on the females. The reek of that fucking animal was indescribable. I will never eat goat cheese again.
vertical farming:
http://www.verticalfarm.com/
Buckeye ... | 10.31.09 - 11:58 am | #
That's great!
Brooklyn Girl, shady dame | Homepage | 10.31.09 - 12:00 pm
I think it's a wonderful idea.
And even if you can't use your compost, I suspect there are people who can.
dave™©--thanks! Inherited Osita from our daughter and haven't quite gotten up to speed on her safe care.
GWPDA!
Or you're doomed to repeat it...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-...h?v=-
jw33u9qAsE
Predicted next post by Atrios: "Farmers' Markets -- Face it, they suck."
You're a mensch.
That wouldn't even have occurred to me.
Although, are you sure they're styrofoam? A lot of the time these days they're cornstarch based.
Adam Hominem | 10.31.09 - 12:03 pm | #
I dunno. I bring 'em over regardless.
But the whole area of biodegradable plastics is a huge research and manufacturing opportunity, isn't it?
The reek of that fucking animal was indescribable. I will never eat goat cheese again.
slartibartfast
If I was ever even thinking of having a goat, you have cured me. Thanks.
And even if you can't use your compost, I suspect there are people who can.
Buckeye ...
My urban hellhole has 3 bins for garbage pickup - trash, recycle and compost.
Urban gardens are excellent for growing little hitlers
|||I'd vote for His Lardship.|||
Yer Soros Check's in the mail!
Next? I got a stack of 'em here...
How's the foot, AH?
I dunno. I bring 'em over regardless.
But the whole area of biodegradable plastics is a huge research and manufacturing opportunity, isn't it?
Brooklyn Girl, shady dame
Yes.
The cornstarch ones dissolve in water. Styrofoam never does.
Anthony McCarthy,
Did you see I posted your Mignon libretto last week? You can view the whole thing online at google books.
I didn't compost for a long time because I thought it was complicated — that you needed to aerate it in a fancy, expensive, turnable bin, and add special stuff to it. But really, it does all the work itself.
Marcellina
Mostly you just need enough cellulosic matter to support the degradation of the wetter and richer stuff without getting the wrong crowd of bacteria involved.
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GWPDA yclept Damaged Historian | 10.31.09 - 12:04 pm | #
I thought goat tastes like tin cans
Did you see I posted your Mignon libretto last week? You can view the whole thing online at google books.
Marcellina
No, I wasn't here part of the week. Thank you. I'll go look.
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GWPDA yclept Damaged Historian | 10.31.09 - 12:04 pm | #
:pomegranates: :pomegranates: :pomegranates:
I've heard goat tacos are good, but I've never tried one.
Adam--it's just the male goats who stink (and some people, apparently, like their cheese with that stink). My friend wrote a book about raising goats, Goat Song, and he has 8 females. No stink. Just milk & cheese
plants,
I get a twinge now and then, but it sure is nice to be out of that cast!
They put in two new-fangled "staples", which apparently were gratis to me from the manufacturer, since it turns out very luckily the surgery center's contract with BCBS doesn't allow them to charge me for. Otherwise I'd be out 2 grand.
If I was ever even thinking of having a goat, you have cured me. Thanks.
Adam Hominem
Once you cut their nuts off, they're actualy fine. I like to go back there and feed them my carrot tops.
Regarding that Larry Summers thing:
It's amazing how gullible people are. If spoken with authority, people will take almost ANYTHING at face-value. Maybe it's because we want to be efficient: if someone else has done the research, we are free to move on.
We also don't want to be constant-contrarians. But with today's media, it's better to "research twice; comment once (on the truth)", rather than "research once; comment twice (once on the falsehood, and then again when the truth is revealed)".
I guess a healthy bit of skepticism on EVERYTHING you hear, regardless of the "expert", is a good thing.
But people fall into the trap: "I heard it on TV/radio, so it must be true. They wouldn't be allowed to lie on the air for long, if they constantly lied."
The cornstarch ones dissolve in water. Styrofoam never does.
Adam Hominem
The 21st century Euell Gibbons for urban hellholes - did you know that some parts of your packing material are edible?
Raised beds are recommended for Urban Gardening, with a mix of composts, peat, manures and perlite. Soil removal and replacement below the bed as well. Square Foot Gardening methods use very little water. Back yard gardening encourages COMMUNITY within a neighborhood through sharing food, knowledge, tools and labor. It inspires pride in the Community, and lowers food costs. It also makes people aware of where their food comes from, and how it is grown. Organic Local Food is simply tastier, and more nutritious, and uses less fossil fuels than Factory Farm-produced foods.
This video should demonstrate the benefits pretty well: http://www.livevideo.com/video/m...-how-cuba-
.aspx
--mf
Atrios, it doesn't have to necessarily be food grown in urban gardens. Other plants can leach the toxins out of the soil.
OK, I truly hate (well, no I don't, but its obligatory) to interrupt all the spade turning and carrot munching here, but I just wanted to remind you that the DeFazio guy, two threads down?
That's MY congressman.
You're welcome.
Cat Country litter.
Made from wheatgrass.
The paper-based pellets are OK, but get soggy quick.
Whatever you do, don't EVER use regular cat litter - rabbits actually ingest the litter and the clay can block their intestines and kill them.
When I started composting, I found that most horse owners will give away cellulosic matter. SOme will even help you load it
I like goats.
Speaking of stink, I need a shower.
Bye for now, folks.
From what I've read phytoremediation (where the plants are supposed to suck up toxins / heavy metals from the dirt) doesn't actually work - the plants have natural barriers that prevent this. Growing vegetables _in_ contaminated earth is, however a different story and should definitely be avoided.
I've got eight currant and blueberry bushes in my leetle NYC backyard and look forward to jam-making every year!
Can the food scraps, etc. from kitchen garbage disposals be used for compost?
You don't want to put meat scraps in it, or eggs, as that'll attract the rats and raccoons. Everything else is fine.
Moe Szyslak
i am not picking on BG, but it hurts me to realize that there are likely many americans who would also ask this question. then again, the fact that atrios asked his questions also pains me. so many people in this country are so disconnected from nature, and i feel so sorry for them. but it's an easy thing, politically. all you concrete jungle types need to know is that all this shit we nature types are proposing here are *seriously opposed* by republicans and large corporations. so just trust us and vote for it.
goat bbq sammiches are tasty
But people fall into the trap: "I heard it on TV/radio, so it must be true. They wouldn't be allowed to lie on the air for long, if they constantly lied."
Two words to refute that stupid notion:
Rush Limbaugh.
The starbucks in London give away coffee grounds
Oh hai!
--mf
And even if you can't use your compost, I suspect there are people who can.
Buckeye ...
My urban hellhole has 3 bins for garbage pickup - trash, recycle and compost.
George Johnston | Homepage | 10.31.09 - 12:06 pm |
Dayton's not there yet. But considering we're starting to encourge urban garden plots (those abandoned lots going to good use) you'd think we get on the ball about it.
Noblejoanie, rabbit pellets are a little to hot to put in the garden. My friend has a barrel full of water and puts them in there. He draws off the water to use as fertilizer.
Oh, and I posted this list way before Hema-royd:
Well, since this seems to have slipped by Atrios:
EATED!!!!
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
October 30, 2009
The Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation (FDIC) entered into a purchase and assumption agreement with U.S. Bank, NA, of Minneapolis, Minnesota, a wholly-owned subsidiary of U.S. Bancorp, to assume all of the deposits and essentially all of the assets of nine failed banks. The nine banks were closed this evening by federal and state bank regulators, which appointed the FDIC as receiver.
jigsy | 10.31.09 - 1:43 am | #
I'm also in DeFazio's district. Moved here from Kevin McCarthy's (R-Batshit)
The starbucks in London give away coffee grounds
Actually, I think they all do.
bye, ina
Howdy.
Heard Bobby Kennedy Jr say that if you can't compost, then it's better to use the garbage disposal (if you're on municipal sewer) rather than dumping your wastes in a plastic bag sent to the landfill.
Got corn?
From what I've read phytoremediation (where the plants are supposed to suck up toxins / heavy metals from the dirt) doesn't actually work - the plants have natural barriers that prevent this.
I've heard that sunflowers leach a ton of lead out of soil and can, in time, do a decent job. But you've got to dispose of the plants and seeds as hazardous waste. IOW, they don't transform the lead, just suck it out of the soil
The vertical farm is cool.
i am not picking on BG, but it hurts me to realize that there are likely many americans who would also ask this question. then again, the fact that atrios asked his questions also pains me. so many people in this country are so disconnected from nature, and i feel so sorry for them.
fuck you, you condescending prick.
You don't want to put meat scraps in it, or eggs, as that'll attract the rats and raccoons. Everything else is fine.
Moe Szyslak
When my pile was really going last winter, I'd even bury stuff like that deep inside it. The heat was such that the normal putrefaction bacteria were inhibited, and it was in there too deep for the local varmints to bother with it. But you need a good big pile to get away with that.
Yeah but they say thank you in London
Jeebs, haven't posted here in so long I forgot my gravatar. Currant bushes above is me...
Thanks, dmark. (How was your ABBA night?)
Can the food scraps, etc. from kitchen garbage disposals be used for compost?
SOMETHING can be done with them, because SF is now having people separate them for garbage day pickup.
Two words to refute that stupid notion:
Rush Limbaugh.
Villago Delenda Est | 10.31.09 - 12:10 pm | #
And two more...
FOX News.
The starbucks in London give away coffee grounds
Actually, I think they all do.
dave™©
Yeah - here, too.
Whatever kind of poo you have should be composted before you put it on your garden, if for no other reason just to leach out the salt.
More than 2,000 demonstrators gathered in Leeds city centre amid a heavy police presence as a group staged a protest against Islamic extremism.
Police said about 900 English Defence League (EDL) supporters joined the rally in City Square. They were penned in by a ring of officers.
A rival protest of up to 1,500 Unite Against Fascism (UAF) supporters took place nearby in Victoria Gardens.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/engla...ire/
8335419.stm
But the whole area of biodegradable plastics is a huge research and manufacturing opportunity, isn't it?
Brooklyn Girl, s
gosh, now if only we had some leaders, in a legislative body, who could appropriate funds for such, creating jobs and helping america stay ahead in the innovation business...
i am not picking on BG, but it hurts me to realize that there are likely many americans who would also ask this question. then again, the fact that atrios asked his questions also pains me. so many people in this country are so disconnected from nature, and i feel so sorry for them. but it's an easy thing, politically. all you concrete jungle types need to know is that all this shit we nature types are proposing here are *seriously opposed* by republicans and large corporations. so just trust us and vote for it.
chicago dyke, werewoman | Homepage | 10.31.09 - 12:09 pm | #
Oh, please.
You really have a tendency to get on a high horse, you know that?
Coffee grounds can just get sprinkled on the grass, or whatever. No one should throw away coffee grounds. Put them in potted plants, too.
I was wrong and I admit it. It does not take 5 minutes google research to realize DeFazio was wrong, it takes 10 seconds scrolling down to the update on the cited article.
And two more...
FOX News.
Steve, those were my alternate two words.
Of course, this is more "proof" to the pissant of Austin that I'm you're sockpuppet, or you're my sockpuppet, or something.
Hecate, I was hoping that the sunflower bit was accurate, but when I tried to track down some actual positive published research results some time ago I couldn't find any. If you have a link, I'd love to be read more!
fuck you, you condescending prick.
Paladin | 10.31.09 - 12:12 pm | #
Thank you.
If Atrios did some raised-beds on his roof deck, he wouldn't have to risk the flying bullets in his Urban Hellhole to forage for food as much.
--mf
Coffee grounds can just get sprinkled on the grass, or whatever. No one should throw away coffee grounds. Put them in potted plants, too.
Hecate, Runnymeade Conspirator | Homepage | 10.31.09 - 12:14 pm | #
Plus they make things grow fast. Really fast.
You can use egg shells as well in compost. Also human and animal hair is good. I use a little paperboard occasionally in the winter as the compost needs something to soak up excess moisture. Toilet paper cardboard rolls are perfect.
Aretha is the once and future queen of soul.
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elkal
Let me do some digging at home; I know there's a group in Baltimore using them to leach lead out of soil.
Thanks, dmark. (How was your ABBA night?)
noblejoanie
ABBA MANIA!!!!!
We made it about half way through. It was fun in a spandex and rhinestone boots sort of way. The band in the Overature lobby, VO5, was great fun. Alot of old eightys disco stuff. Very campy.
birds like dryer lint (nest building)
our next door neighbor is cutting down one tree and has seriously trimmed back another
but what a different it makes, you can suddenly see the sky!
our garden is less over encroached
Another good idea is to introduce nightcrawlers into your soil. In a few years time a hundred will become thousands and they will compost your mulch and secrete it underground where it's more available to plant roots. Their tunnels run several feet down and are excellent pathways for water and oxygen.
i'm not talking about people having gardens, i'm talking about larger scale commercial (including nonprofit) agriculture
Atrios |
It is about food,jobs, and education. Most people are far removed from the food supply. This is from Will Allen's growing power.
Growing Power is a national nonprofit organization and land trust supporting people from diverse backgrounds, and the environments in which they live, by helping to provide equal access to healthy, high-quality, safe and affordable food for people in all communities. Growing Power implements this mission by providing hands-on training, on-the-ground demonstration, outreach and technical assistance through the development of Community Food Systems that help people grow, process, market and distribute food in a sustainable manner. You can also read more at our BLOG
http://www.growingpower.org/
They're doing phytoremediation here near a kids park in NWDCistan.
rabbit pellets are a little too hot to put in the garden.
my books tell me the same thing. but if i had rabbits i'd compost their waste, no doubt. super rich in the good stuff, way higher concentrations than cow or horse poo, and easier to, um, handle. it just needs to be moderated and aged.
Heard Bobby Kennedy Jr say that if you can't compost, then it's better to use the garbage disposal (if you're on municipal sewer) rather than dumping your wastes in a plastic bag sent to the landfill.
That's certainly true. Waste treatment plants use microbial degradation, like compost piles, and the sludge usually gets used as non-agricultural fertilizer.
Heard Bobby Kennedy Jr say that if you can't compost, then it's better to use the garbage disposal (if you're on municipal sewer) rather than dumping your wastes in a plastic bag sent to the landfill.
noblejoanie | 10.31.09 - 12:11 pm | #
Exactly my point. Yet almost nobody here has one, even though I think they're legal.
You'd think our Mayor "I Hate Plastic Bags" Bloomberg would sponsor an initiative in that regard. Maybe a tax incentive, something like that.
It would be nice if he also put some of his billions into biodegradable plastics.
Finance capitalist types like Summers cannot be trusted at all.
They get lost in their own little imagainary world that has little if anything to do with the real world.
We might as well be disussing how the economy of World of Warcraft functions. It's wonderful theory, sure. But it's nothing but binary numbers in the ultimate analysis.
But people fall into the trap: "I heard it on TV/radio, so it must be true. They wouldn't be allowed to lie on the air for long, if they constantly lied."
For the longest time I considered how people pronounced the word often. I'm talking News Announcers and the like. If they said often with the t I would no longer bother listening to them figuring they were too stupid to listen to. Now if somebody wants to discuss politics I figure out where they get their info first.
woops - NHS bosses have apologised to a patient in Manchester who was locked in an ambulance for five hours after the driver went home and forgot about him.
The man, 65, was stranded at Sharston ambulance station, Wythenshawe, after being collected by an ambulance from Manchester Royal Infirmary.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/engla...and/
8335590.stm
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GWPDA yclept Damaged Historian | 10.31.09 - 12:04 pm | #
Fuck you simels. When you namesteal the trolls it is sometimes a little funny, sometimes. Why do you keep namestealing our great regulars who have left the blog? What do you get out of it?
Mel Bartholomew's Square Foot Gardening site: http://www.squarefootgardening.com
Useful, and very thorough.
--mf
come on, Hoss. this was only a google search away. from the verticalfarm site:
Year-round crop production; 1 indoor acre is equivalent to 4-6 outdoor acres or more, depending upon the crop (e.g., strawberries: 1 indoor acre = 30 outdoor acres)
No weather-related crop failures due to droughts, floods, pests
All VF food is grown organically: no herbicides, pesticides, or fertilizers
VF virtually eliminates agricultural runoff by recycling black water
VF returns farmland to nature, restoring ecosystem functions and services
VF greatly reduces the incidence of many infectious diseases that are acquired at the agricultural interface
VF converts black and gray water into potable water by collecting the water of
evapotranspiration
My real fear is racoon turd. Here in NYC there are some majorly large raccoons that come prowling about at night; I had read a news piece earlier this year about some kid who went blind because of being exposed to some fungus/bacteria/whatever in raccoon poo.
con't, despite haloscan's commitment to Big Agra:
VF adds energy back to the grid via methane generation from composting non-edible
parts of plants and animals
VF dramatically reduces fossil fuel use (no tractors, plows, shipping.)
VF converts abandoned urban properties into food production centers
VF creates sustainable environments for urban centers
VF creates new employment opportunities
We cannot go to the moon, Mars, or beyond without first learning to farm indoors on
earth
VF may prove to be useful for integrating into refugee camps
VF offers the promise of measurable economic improvement for tropical and subtropical
LDCs. If this should prove to be the case, then VF may be a catalyst in helping to reduce or even reverse the population growth of LDCs as they adopt urban agriculture as a strategy for sustainable food production.
VF could reduce the incidence of armed conflict over natural resources, such as water
and land for agriculture
Aretha is the once and future queen of soul.
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QuentinCompson, Negatory | Homepage | 10.31.09 - 12:15 pm | #
There was one of those diva shows on a couple of years ago ... Celine Dion tried to upstage Aretha, and the Queen of Soul blew her out of the water by simply stepping in front of her and opening her mouth. It was hilarious and wonderful.
In Vermont, the local mafia gets rid of the bodies by composting.
The raccoons can't get to our yard without running a gauntlet of big bloodthirsty dogs. If it were not for that, I don't think I could grow any veggies at all.
Just throw a few pics of sarah and let the wingnuts root around in your cowshit.
You'd think our Mayor "I Hate Plastic Bags" Bloomberg would sponsor an initiative in that regard. Maybe a tax incentive, something like that.
The problem with garbage disposals is when they're combined with very old plumbing.
In Vermont, the local mafia gets rid of the bodies by composting.
Gromit, with secret agenda | 10.31.09 - 12:20 pm | #
Heh.
Although that makes me wonder if they'll find Jimmy Hoffa's body when then demolish Giants Stadium.
Allowing Limbaugh and FOX to spew their lies also constructs analternate mindview: wingers say to themselves, "Sure Rush and FOX lie. But the other side lies just as much. Hannity implies as much. I'd rather believe the liars who resonate with me - an insecure stingy hater - than those who are lying in order to give my money to a bunch of brown-skinned lazy-assed leisure-types."
SOMETHING can be done with them, because SF is now having people separate them for garbage day pickup.
dave™©
they add it to the bunnies they're burning for electricity.
come on, Hoss. this was only a google search away. from the verticalfarm site:
Year-round crop production; 1 indoor acre is equivalent to 4-6 outdoor acres or more, depending upon the crop (e.g., strawberries: 1 indoor acre = 30 outdoor acres)
No weather-related crop failures due to droughts, floods, pests
All VF food is grown organically: no herbicides, pesticides, or fertilizers
VF virtually eliminates agricultural runoff by recycling black water
VF returns farmland to nature, restoring ecosystem functions and services
VF greatly reduces the incidence of many infectious diseases that are acquired at the agricultural interface
VF converts black and gray water into potable water by collecting the water of
evapotranspiration
chicago dyke, werewoman | Homepage | 10.31.09 - 12:19 pm | #
It can be done. Now, which city is going to have a go at it and show it can be done?
let the rabbits eat the garden scraps... compost the bunny poop with straw and leaves and grass clippings and encourage worms in your bins.
The circle of life!
--mf
OMG! BG's old gravatar is back!
Thank you, mistress!!!
I read that rabbits really shouldn't eat carrots
Celine Dion tried to upstage Aretha, and the Queen of Soul blew her out of the water by simply stepping in front of her and opening her mouth. It was hilarious and wonderful.
Brooklyn Girl, shady dame | Homepage | 10.31.09 - 12:20 pm | #
In fairness, as awful as Celine Dion is, she did sing that ode to heart-healthy snacks on the soundtrack to TITANIC.
Thank you, mistress!!!
dave™© | Homepage | 10.31.09 - 12:22 pm | #
My real fear is racoon turd. Here in NYC there are some majorly large raccoons that come prowling about at night; I had read a news piece earlier this year about some kid who went blind because of being exposed to some fungus/bacteria/whatever in raccoon poo.
elkal
Well, if it ever goes really into Cormac McCarthy's The Road territory, you'll have a fresh meat supply.
Back in grad school days, there were folks who ate trapped and raccoons in the zoology dept. Always asked what I was eating at the potlucks because one time there was a sign next to a pan that said Procyon lotor pie. Little biologist humor there. A very little.
It's a better use of space than vacant lots, or the ongoing war between EZ-Park and Parkway. What's wrong with being near your food supply?
The "assume a can opener" thing is preciesely what DeFazio is getting at.
A physicist, a chemist and an economist are stranded on an island, with nothing to eat. A can of soup washes ashore. The physicist says, "Let's smash the can open with a rock." The chemist says, "Let's build a fire and heat the can first." The economist says, "Let's assume that we have a can-opener..."
DeFazio wants to fabricate the can opener. Finance capitalists assume it's there.
We might as well be disussing how the economy of World of Warcraft functions. It's wonderful theory, sure. But it's nothing but binary numbers in the ultimate analysis.
Villago Delenda Est | 10.31.09 - 12:18 pm | #
So I don't get it. Summers gives a long and while not too deep, pretty comprehensive argument in favor of infrastructure spending, as a means of stimulus, as a means of building the economy, and as a partial fix to structural income inequality - in 2008. Krugman meanwhile, 2 days ago, provides a pure financial economist fabulation about how GDP has to zoom up to create jobs as if wealth inequality, misallocation of investment, etc. didn't exist. Yet Krugman is the darling of the "left of the left", while Summers is castigated for not favoring positions that he actually favors.
chicago dyke, you can certainly compost rabbit pellets in the traditional manner,but it may be a bit smelly in a tighter urban setting. The water barrel method is no odor and you get the fertilzer sooner. You do neeed to empty the barrel every now and then and that can go into the soil.
Berkeley had a whole campaign to get people to put all thie kitchen scraps in the green bin,but without enough dead plant matter to balance it, it just stank to high heaven, even without any meat.
Well, it's gone all stupid here at the shop, allasudden.
In fairness, as awful as Celine Dion is, she did sing that ode to heart-healthy snacks on the soundtrack to TITANIC.
steve simels, amiable zany | Homepage | 10.31.09 - 12:23 pm | #
Ha!
Elvis Costello on Palladia right now. Doing "What's So Funny About Peace, Love and Understanding" right now.
Now if somebody wants to discuss politics I figure out where they get their info first.
footloose
The most accurate source for FOX/Rush "facts" are a person named "Some Say".
fuck you, you condescending prick.
Paladin | 10.31.09 - 12:12 pm | #
Thank you.
Brooklyn Girl
now that's something you don't see every day.
well, BG, it's also a question of basic history and science education, which apparently you didn't get. composting isn't some strange, unknown, newfangled rocket science. it's an ancient practice that myriad human cultures since time immemorial have incorporated into food production. americans can be so disconnected, which says something about our educational, environmental and agricultural policy. i was trying to say so nicely. sorry you didn't take it that way. the reality is that corporations want it to be this way, and i hope that's something we can all get together to oppose.
I was at the Farmer's Market at the SF Ferry Building a month or so back and there was a "trash cop" standing in front of the garbage receptacles telling people what trash went where and being pretty bitchy about it...
Well, it's gone all stupid here at the shop, allasudden
does it involve eggs?
"Exactly my point. Yet almost nobody here has one, even though I think they're legal."
what????????
I was at the Farmer's Market at the SF Ferry Building a month or so back and there was a "trash cop" standing in front of the garbage receptacles telling people what trash went where and being pretty bitchy about it...
dave™© | Homepage | 10.31.09 - 12:25 pm | #
over here there was a minor outcry over the local busy bodies who run the councils putting little cameras on bin to spy on people's rubbish disposal habits
well, BG, it's also a question of basic history and science education, which apparently you didn't get. composting isn't some strange, unknown, newfangled rocket science. it's an ancient practice that myriad human cultures since time immemorial have incorporated into food production. americans can be so disconnected, which says something about our educational, environmental and agricultural policy. i was trying to say so nicely. sorry you didn't take it that way. the reality is that corporations want it to be this way, and i hope that's something we can all get together to oppose.
chicago dyke, werewoman | Homepage | 10.31.09 - 12:25 pm | #
I'm well aware of what composting is.
You, however, don't seem to understand how urban environments work, and whether you like it or not, the majority of people will be living in cities in the near future and will have to deal with problems like this.
And now you can fuck off.
I grow veggies and herbs year-round these days. It's pretty rare that I really need to go to the store. Right now, I've got lots of swiss chard, turnips, late broccoli, cabbage, carrots and leeks growing, as well as parsley sage rosemary, thyme, onions, garlic (just put in), oregano, and the Basil (now on it's fourth cutting).
Right now, I have hoops on my bed stretched-over with floating row cover to keep frost off, and retain heat. Later, I'll switch to a double-layer visqueen. Mini-greenhouses 4'w x 16' long.
--mf
We have the occasional compost/recycle/trash nazi in our dining hall as well.
Strange that urban lovers promote the great qualities of urban living. Atrios promotes supertrains, not being tied down by automobile ownership, the nearby shops and entertainment. All that. But cannot wrap their heads around people bringing their suburban and rural love of working with soil, the beauty of growing your own fruits, vegetables, flowers and trees.
I confess there are many things about one's love of urban living I don't understand. When a friend told about the lump in their throat they had when they saw the NYCscape, all I could think of was after every trip to the city I felt like taking a shower.
So we're all different.
fuck u haloscan
Everything compostable goes into my piles. I have a small bucket by the sink fo kitchen waste and it gets emptied into the pile every other day or when it's full. Coffee filter and grounds go right in as do egg shells.If you don't have room for a pile, (I have two made out of pallets) many cities have plastic composters which are very easy to use. Everyons should have one.
If I had to live in Manhattan for more than a couple of moths, I would go insane.
But cannot wrap their heads around people bringing their suburban and rural love of working with soil, the beauty of growing your own fruits, vegetables, flowers and trees.
You know, all that stuff is a real fucking pain in the ass to do. Glad there are people that think it's "beautiful," but they're mostly hobbyists. If you had to do it for a living, you'd be riding the turnip truck into the city first chance you got.
WHAT an amazing coincidence!!!!!
BG and Simels not only show up at the exact same time, but their gravs magically revert to their old forms simultaneously!
i like visiting London but i don't think I would want to live there
fuck you, you condescending prick.
Paladin | 10.31.09 - 12:12 pm | #
Paladin has a thing for cocks. He sucks them, every one.
If I had to live in Manhattan for more than a couple of moths, I would go insane.
slartibartfast | 10.31.09 - 12:29 pm | #
But you live in the Oakland hills - a place that makes me want to rush to the airport.
Ok, I have to go get the stripper off my chair now...
...refinishing the chair - get your minds out of the gutter!
The most accurate source for FOX/Rush "facts" are a person named "Some Say".
batguano
Did you see John Stewart do that whole Fox/Whitehouse war routine the other night? Fox News 'reports' that 'some say' is the dude that's on the hour before the reporter! It was hysterical!
Noblejoanie, speaking of leeks, do you want some? I have to finish digging mine this week.
"If I had to live in Manhattan for more than a couple of moths, I would go insane."
ditto. too much density.
.But you live in the Oakland hills - a place that makes me want to rush to the airport.
rootless-e, ahora mas lobo
I actually live behind the Oakland hills now, in Walnut Creek, at the foot of Mt. Diablo.
So now you have lead saturated sunflowers. What do you do with them?
rootless, you're gloriously missing the point.
While Summers is disussing how finance capitalism went astray, and how it needs to be reformed, none of which I disagree with, he wants to put the consumer economy model back in place with 'safeguards' to reign in the greedy somewhat.
He's still missing the overall point that none of this is possible without infrastructre to support it, and not only do we need the infrastructure to support future economic growth, the bang for the buck in terms of short term economic impact on the greatest number of Americans is greater.
The consumer economy model SHOULD have been seen as an intermediate step, not an endgame scenario, because it's not sustainable. Eventually people have more than enough stuff. Planned obsolescense isn't stustainable.
Summers is, quite correctly, saying that the Reganite greed model is incompatible with a consumer driven economy. The problem is a consumer driven economy itself is not sustainable.
I confess there are many things about one's love of urban living I don't understand. When a friend told about the lump in their throat they had when they saw the NYCscape, all I could think of was after every trip to the city I felt like taking a shower.
So we're all different.
MikeC | 10.31.09 - 12:28 pm | #
Central Park.
I remember seeing a special on TV about a family that threw out "one bag of trash per year". The rest of their waste was recycled, composted, etc. They also stressed not buying wasteful packaging, etc in the first place.
I thought, "My god, these people have gone crazy. They are consumed with not throwing away anything. Imagine asking your parent if it's OK to throw away anything at all. And then hearing someone shouting from downstairs, 'Who threw away this Cheerio? I've told you a thousand times that Cheerios go in the compost, after you crush them and mix them with lime!!! This is your last warning!!!!!"
I'd move out at 17, unless the parents made up for it in other areas.
And now you can fuck off.
Brooklyn Girl,
well, sure. but the truth is i lived for ~20 years in the 'hood and other dense urban environments, had an urban community plot, composted there, worked on urban gardening community education boards, etc. so between orgasms i can confidently tell you you're full of shit, which sadly, isn't appropriate for garden composting.
but anyway, i know i'm a condescending prick and i thank you for reminding me. it's a failing.
Noblejoanie, speaking of leeks, do you want some? I have to finish digging mine this week.
dmark
YES, please!
Made this leek bread pudding recipe last night for company. It was delicious although we all probably need to flush our arteries today:
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/2...html?
ref=dining
a place that makes me want to rush to the airport.
Try sitting on the runway - you get a plane faster.
simels, answer the question. What do you get out of namestealing GDPDA? You namesteal mena too.
You are one sick fuck if you ask me.
he truth is i lived for ~20 years in the 'hood and other dense urban environments, had an urban community plot, composted there, worked on urban gar--
You're making me agree with my mistress here...
You know, all that stuff is a real fucking pain in the ass to do.
Dave, that's you.
Others don't see it that way.
That's the glory of it!
Prospect Park, Brooklyn.
Botanical Gardens, The Bronx.
Yeah, urban hellhole.
Rich Lowry:
The Republican party has no national leaders. Its standing with voters is at an all-time low. It battens itself on an ideological purity that turns off the center and can't appeal to an increasingly suburban and diverse electorate. If it is not fated to go the way of the Federalists or the Whigs, it is certainly a spent force.
.........The above is a quote by Rich Lowry,one of the intellectual leaders of the GOP.
If progressives were united, the GOP is ripe for a takeover in 3-5 years.I can only wish.
How to make a simple composter:
We have a local surplus store where I bought a 50 gal plastic drum. I painted it black to attract more sun in the winter. It's amazing how warm that keeps it in the middle of January.
I cut an access door into the top, large enough to fit a shovel. I also put hinges on it.
I drilled 1/2 " holes all around it, and in the bottom so that worms could crawl inside. Nice thing is, you can tip it and roll it to position it wherever you wish. I move it to keep it in the best sunlight, as heat is what it needs in the winter. In the summer, I move it more into the shade.
When it gets over half full, I take out a few shovel fulls and add them to another compost pile that's stationary and mix it in. In the spring, it's all ready.
but I really don't get what the point of promoting urban agriculture more widely is.
-- improves the walkability score
-- leads to healthier blogging
-- looks nice from the passing SUPERTRAIN
-- pisses off Republicans
so between orgasms i can confidently tell you you're full of shit, which sadly, isn't appropriate for garden composting.
but anyway, i know i'm a condescending prick and i thank you for reminding me. it's a failing.
chicago dyke, werewoman | Homepage | 10.31.09 - 12:33 pm | #
Sexual competition doesn't work with me, babe.
You really need to grow up.
Mt. Diablo:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/
Fil...ette_Hights.jpg
quite tense around here
Yeah, urban hellhole.
Brooklyn Girl
Not bad for a city! I'm always amazed at the Audubon Christmas bird count results for NYC as I confess I usually think of it as a biological desert except for people, pigeons and rats.
Not trying to piss you off---perhaps it's jet lag?
I guess we can make this contrarian Saturday. One thing I really don't understand - help me! - is the regular stream of people promoting urban agriculture
Still not sure what A-man is talking about, although I saw upthread where annoyance about mere backyard farming was disclaimed. Maybe an example of a member of this "regular stream" engaging in said promoting would help to understand what bugs.
Here at the Stunt Woman household we are anxiously awaiting our first egg. The lengthening and coloring of the combs means that arrival is imminent!
Dave,
I'm slowly building to a point where my semi-rural 2 acres will be a full-time job for me. I already fulfill most of my veggie needs from my garden beds, and supply enough for three families to the local food bank. I started some fruit trees in the back meadow this year. One day, my two acres is going to provide me quite a nice living.
--mf
Oh my, Brooklyn Girl is getting as nasty as simels. And just a couple of days after she got back from PARIS where she spent a week with the love of her life.
What's wrong shady dame, you can tell me.
SF from the Marin headlands:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/
Fil..._From_Bench.jpg
You know, all that stuff is a real fucking pain in the ass to do. Glad there are people that think it's "beautiful," but they're mostly hobbyists. If you had to do it for a living, you'd be riding the turnip truck into the city first chance you got.
dave™
i think the whole point is that for those who can tolerate it, it should stay at the 'hobby' level. it's this crazy idea: if *everybody* contributes a little bit, at whatever level they are comfortable with, then *nobody* has to work like a slave. i know, i'm a communist. but even people who hate getting dirt under their fingers can contribute. goddess knows there's always plenty of paperwork and computer type stuff nobody wants to do, on community gardening boards and suchlike.
Jigsy, as we high-up apartment dwellers can't lure the worms in, my version:
3 foot high garbage can, with lid that latches down.
Throw stuff into it.
Every once in a while add some water, and stir it around with a garden hoe, small shovel, whatever.
That's it.
Whenever I hear dazzling urbanites wax rhapsodic about the beauties of tilling the soil, I think of Eddie Albert.
And know they'd have the same results he did if they moved to a farm...
Your favorite lifestyle sucks.
And now you can fuck off.
Brooklyn Girl, shady dame | Homepage | 10.31.09 - 12:27 pm | #
Now it's your turn to suck my dick!
CyDy, I hope you realize this is one of simels puppets?
SF from the Marin headlands:
If you peer closely, you can see my heart in that photo.
I could totally live in Manhattan if I had a LOT more money. Complete Disneyland for grownups. Part of what I like in the intensity of the place.
The question of the thread, is it Brooklyn Girl or is it simels? To tell you the truth, even I can't tell.
Tilden Park, in the Berkely hills
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:
Tilden_march.JPG
-- improves the walkability score
-- leads to healthier blogging
-- looks nice from the passing SUPERTRAIN
-- pisses off Republicans
DFH in Dubrovnik
We have a WINNER!!!
--mf
Larger, commercial farming:
I've heard of urban rooftop bee colonies kept for producing honey. If there isn't already, it would be very easy to form a cooperative with several beekeepers, and sell the honey commercially.
funny, link didn't work:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/
Fil...ilden_march.JPG
Villago Delenda Est | 10.31.09 - 12:32 pm | #
I certainly don't want to defend Summers economic vision but here is Summers defending the stimulus bill
. It will at the same time do some of the work that the nation has needed done for a long time—doubling renewable energy capacity in the next 3 years, supporting middle class incomes, modernizing ten thousand schools, and making the largest investment in the spine of our national economy – the nation’s infrastructure – since Dwight Eisenhower’s investment 50 years ago.
Bubble driven economic growth is problematic because of disruption and dislocation – affecting those who took part in the bubble’s excesses and those who did not. And, it is not entirely healthy even while it lasts. Between 2000 and 2007 – a period of solid aggregate economic growth – the typical working-age household saw their income decline by nearly $2000. The decline in middle-class incomes even as the incomes of the top 1% skyrocketed has a number of causes, but one of them is surely rising asset prices and the fact that financial sector profits exploded to the point to where they represented 40% of all corporate profits in 2006.
"I'm always amazed at the Audubon Christmas bird count results for NYC as I confess I usually think of it as a biological desert except for people, pigeons and rats."
that's just a density thing. ie, there's an oasis of green surrounded by concrete, so that's where the birds are at. i wonder what it costs to live across the street from central park?
And just a couple of days after she got back from PARIS where she spent a week with the love of her life.
you know, a reasonably normal person wouldn't make such a conspicuous display of their envy. reveals way too much about the emptiness of your own life, you see.
i'm telling you because apparently you don't have access to this information.
you're welcome.
Good news. It seems I am rich!
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I contact you next week.
If you live in a highrise apartment, you can always start a terrarium, you know.
Maybe raise some pet rocks!
re; composter.
Most important thing, don't forget to turn the pile as best you can at least once a week. With the 50gal drum, you can just use a pitchfork and reach in from the top. If it's less than half full, and you have the room, you can roll it a few times. I know people who build a stationary roller and lay the drum on wheels and roll it.
Also, add some lime occasionally. I add about a cup once a month or two.
Well, simels is about, he namestole GWPDA so he could be posting as Brooklyn Girl.
What's up with them, simels and BG, you would think a trip to Paris would have mellowed them out a little, but no..... They are more nasty now than when they left.
You want your money, go to Helene Howell.
A dozen chefs in France have laid claim to rustling up the world's largest Tiramisu dessert, weighing over a tonne and having to be stored in an ice rink.
The cooks worked through the night at a food fair in Villeurbanne near Lyon, in order to complete the record attempt.
It has now been officially recognised by Guiness World Records, French news agency AFP says.
The dessert - which utilised some 4,000 eggs - is being sliced up with money raised going to various charities.
Weighing in at nearly 1,076kg (2,372 lb) the giant tiramisu - which means "pick me up" in Italian - used 300kg of mascarpone cheese, 60kg of cream and 192 kg of sugar.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world...ope/
8335323.stm
BG, you can't make me mad or emotionally involved here, babe. i like you, i think you're smart and funny. sorry i pissed you off, i think i made some valid points, i heard your equally valid observartions, and anyway it's just pixels on a screen, yo. you and i make a nice contrast for that whole "NYC vs. flyoverland values" don't we?
anyway, i should stop talking about being outdoors and actually get out there. have a nice day, y'all.
It amazes me that people who live in suburban and rural environments don't understand anything about city living.
What ... you think we don't like trees, water, grass, snow, fields, animals?
Speaking of Tilden, once, many, many moons ago, (1977) I saw a CA condor soaring whilst walking there.
A confirmed sighting, btw.
The question of the thread, is it Brooklyn Girl or is it simels? To tell you the truth, even I can't tell.
Anonymous | 10.31.09 - 12:40 pm | #
There's is nothing surprising with patients who suffer the level of paranoid schizo that Stevens suffer with. His persecution complex allows him to create many believable alter egos.
I'm always amazed at the Audubon Christmas bird count results for NYC as I confess I usually think of it as a biological desert except for people, pigeons and rats.
There was a large if nondescript tree in front of the old Greyhound bus transit center in SF I used to walk by every day that was loaded with birds. So many you could hear their "chirping" above the sounds of the traffic.
Also, add some lime occasionally.
Jigsy
I like to kee a 50 pound bag around. You never know when you might need to get rid of a body.
Tilden Park, in the Berkely hills
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File: Tilden_march.JPG
Walked on the path from which that shot was taken just last week.
Frankly, I find the park rather boring.
So many you could hear their "chirping" above the sounds of the traffic.
dave™©
Probably sparrows or blackbirds. Epideictic display.
I live in the least densely populated state in the Northeast, yet I appreciate NYC and my home town, Boston.
CyDy, there's no use hitting on BG because "she" is an elderly sick fuck male with bulging eyes and beret, for christsakes. Who the fuck wears berets?
Only thing I don't like about NYC is I can't go often enough.
You want your money, go to Helene Howell.
sidhra
I always wondered what happened to her after she killed off Thurston.
.It amazes me that people who live in suburban and rural environments don't understand anything about city living.
What ... you think we don't like trees, water, grass, snow, fields, animals?
Brooklyn Girl, shady dame
I've lived in environments that run the gamut. You may like those things, but obviously you're not attached to them so much that you don't find the dingy, highly crowded, endless urban landscape of NYC oppressive. Good for you. For my part, I can't live without those things in any kind of happiness.
Off to the last outdoor farmer's market of the season.
Have a lovely Saturday, bats.
Another sign of our declining empire.
What ... you think we don't like trees, water, grass, snow, fields, animals? - Brooklyn Girl, shady dame
in Museums maybe, look we all remember Green Acres ...
Yeah simels, go crawl back under your rock, you nasty too stupid to live fuck.
Our house has a ground-level "basement," which means the living area is essentially on the "second" floor. So I've learned, from looking directly into our big orange tree, that those "songs" and "chirps" the birds "sing" are actually cries of aggression and screams of terror in the never-ending bird wars...
Mushroom manure.
That is all.
Walked on the path from which that shot was taken just last week.
Frankly, I find the park rather boring.
Stunt Woman
It's not exactly the jewel in the crown of the East Bay Regional Park system, but I have a certain fondness for it because I rode my bike through it so many times.
ou may like those things, but obviously you're not attached to them so much that you don't find the dingy, highly crowded, endless urb--
Jesus, give it a fucking break.
http://www.statelifeguards.com/
h..._serialNumber=5
Think I'll lace up the New Balances and go for a run at the local suburban hellhole beach. Have fun everyone!
Well, at least a certain fat lank-haired Aggie shithead isn't insisting I'm in Dayton today.
Happy Halloween, peeps.
I actually saw a crowd of kids dressed as witches and vampired in the train station this afternoon. There's a big party somewhere.
I've lived in environments that run the gamut. You may like those things, but obviously you're not attached to them so much that you don't find the dingy, highly crowded, endless urban landscape of NYC oppressive. Good for you. For my part, I can't live without those things in any kind of happiness.
slartibartfast | 10.31.09 - 12:47 pm | #
I see cardinals in the 140-year-old oak tree right outside my living room window. I leave seeds for them on my window sill.
This is my neighborhood.
Like I said, urban hellhole.
In fairness, as awful as Celine Dion is, she did sing that ode to heart-healthy snacks on the soundtrack to TITANIC.
steve simels, amiable zany | Homepage | 10.31.09 - 12:23 pm | #
Thank you, mistress!!!
dave™© | Homepage | 10.31.09 - 12:22 pm | #
Brooklyn Girl, shady dame | Homepage | 10.31.09 - 12:23 pm | #
The smiley faces are positioned in the exact same place. The time stamp is meaningless, as Richard has shown it can be done with 2 computers.
And know they'd have the same results he did if they moved to a farm...
dave™©
A hit tv show?!?
Obama economy had another great day. How many House Democrats under investigation? The crooked Pa judge was also a democrat.
CHANGE we can believe in HAHA
STOP THE KENYAN MUSLIM SOCIALIST.
Kill the Public Option and all Health Care Reform.
Nothing is going to pass, as Harry and Nancy dont have the votes for anything. Thanks to the Blue Dogs and Senators like Liebermann, Bayh, Lincoln et al.
Great victory for the American People.
The end of OBama - celebrate.
Palin and Bachmann in 2012
Take back the House in 2010.
Virginia and NJ governors next Tuesday.
Hoffman in NY 23th .
So much progress in only 9 months of Obama. Wait till you see 2010
All looking good.
For my part, I can't live without those things in any kind of happiness.
slartibartfast | 10.31.09 - 12:47 pm | #
You must have really enjoyed the music scene around 1970.
GOP sweep on Tuesday night. Democrats now down to their last match, in free fall. Nov 2010 will be a massacre.
Well, at least a certain fat lank-haired Aggie shithead isn't insisting I'm in Dayton today.
steve simels, amiable zany | Homepage | 10.31.09 - 12:49 pm | #
No, he's just insisting I'm you.
Fogerty doing "Lodi" right now.
It's not as if Summers were a good person, or if his idiotic tenure at Harvard didn't happen, or if his Junior Rubin act hadn't damaged the basic economy, but I don't see the analytical advantage of pretending he has not changed his tune or casting him as one of the celebrity bad guys who are leading the poor bamboozled Obama into error.
The reason we have a weak and too limited stimulus is that the banks own congress and the Democratic block is weak and divided. The Senate stripped school construction funds that the Administration proposed. And sadly, the "progressives" who didn't even know who Van Jones was before he was forced out, treated his departure as another excuse to repeat MSM stories about weak Democrats, not as a time to defned green manufacturing investment.
The smiley faces are positioned in the exact same place. The time stamp is meaningless, as Richard has shown it can be done with 2 computers.
"Check the kerning" is so 2004.
Anonymous | 10.31.09 - 12:42 pm
Someday, Allan, you'll realize that we do not care what you think about anything at all.
Obama economy had another great day. How many House Democrats under investigation? The crooked Pa judge was also a democrat.
CHANGE we can believe in HAHA
STOP THE KENYAN MUSLIM SOCIALIST.
Kill the Public Option and all Health Care Reform.
Nothing is going to pass, as Harry and Nancy dont have the votes for anything. Thanks to the Blue Dogs and Senators like Liebermann, Bayh, Lincoln et al.
Great victory for the American People.
The end of Obama - celebrate.
Palin and Bachmann in 2012
Take back the House in 2010.
Virginia and NJ governors next Tuesday.
Hoffman in NY 23th district
All looking good.
The only thing that ever bothered me about cities was the street noise. But that's pretty easily dealt win once you get to know an area, unless for some reason you need to live on the first floor facing a high traffic street with no a/c in summer.
Many cities are great places for walking; usually the older the city the better.
"or casting him as one of the celebrity bad guys who are leading the poor bamboozled Obama into error."
RAHM! TIMMAH!
Steven, haven't we made some progress with the "Butler" obsession? Once again, paranoia is your enemy, not your friend. Let go, Steven, let go.
Practice the techniques we've worked on.
And when you imagine your "friend" BG is with you, just practice that technique we worked on. You know, keep telling yourself, "It's only make believe, it's only make believe," over and over.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/1wa...mit/4044921856/
Pumpkin cheesecake for the Halloween party later this evening is almost done.
And sadly, the "progressives" who didn't even know who Van Jones was before he was forced out,
Don't blame progressives - it was centrist moderates who folded to hot air bag Glenn Beck.
Desperately Seeking Peacenik, Pot-Smoking Hippies
The only thing worse than a troll posting in all bold typeface is a troll posting it twice.
The smiley faces are positioned in the exact same place
The stupid.
It burns.
Oh, look! Conclusive proof that I am yet another simels sockpuppet! The smiley faces are positioned in the exact same place!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Tuesday night we begin the task of taking back our country.
the very same people who thought up this mess were kept in charge
nothing really changed and now banks are enjoying massive bonuses funded by us the taxpayers
Does Summers still get free cookies?
I don't want to start the whole converstion again, but I kind of get what Atrios is saying.
Why?
What is the point?
For people who want to on a small scale it is because they want to but urban agriculture.....why?
rootless is STILL defending Summers?
Did Atrios just troll his own blog?
Obama economy had another great day. How many House Democrats under investigation? The crooked Pa judge was also a democrat.
CHANGE we can believe in HAHA
STOP THE KENYAN MUSLIM SOCIALIST.
Kill the Public Option and all Health Care Reform.
Nothing is going to pass, as Harry and Nancy dont have the votes for anything. Thanks to the Blue Dogs and Senators like Liebermann, Bayh, Lincoln et al.
Great victory for the American People.
The end of OBama - celebrate.
Palin and Bachmann in 2012
Take back the House in 2010.
Virginia and NJ governors next Tuesday.
Hoffman in NY 23th district
All looking good.
Amazing what 9 months of Obama's socialism will do to the voters.
Don't blame progressives - it was centrist moderates who folded to hot air bag Glenn Beck.
George Johnston | 10.31.09 - 12:54 pm | #
They always fold. But there are multiple possible responses. One is to use the occasion to push for green manufacturing investment. Another is to cheerfully trot out the "progressive" version of the breck-girl story about how Democrats are weak and unmanly.
The smiley faces are positioned in the exact same place.
'zany' and 'dame' have the same number of letters
I have 6 deer in the yard. Won't catch me in the city ever.
simels, answer the fucking question. What do you get out of namestealing GWPDA?
Many cities are great places for walking; usually the older the city the better.
Gromit, with secret agenda | 10.31.09 - 12:53 pm | #
That's absolutely true. The house I live in was built in 1865. And there's no street noise here, and I'm only a mile from Manhattan.
I will freely admit, btw, that Manhattan is a great place to visit every day, but the crowds and noise get to me and I'm always glad to come home to my 'hood.
oh wait I hate the deer. Won't catch me in the country ever!
Hey, two million stupid, thanks for yelling, the hood muffles your words.
Never thought I would say this on this blog, but google is your friend. Try vertical agriculture, soiless agriculture, greenwall project.
As for benefits--you can't think of a benefit related to the availability of fresh, wholesome produce in the neighborhoods that purchase these products? Maybe time to revisit an inconvenient truth as well as stats related to the availability of fresh food in urban hellholes--and I don't mean your yuppy reclamation projects.
For people who want to on a small scale it is because they want to but urban agriculture.....why?
The local food movement.
I had a hope that Obama would not be as much of a coporatist twit as he's turned out to be.
THe main thing in the last election was making sure that the unabashed neo-feudalists were put out of power.
That's happened, although we can't let up.
Stupidity resolved!
if the Dems didn't act so weak they would not be called weak
they don't help themseleves
"For people who want to on a small scale it is because they want to but urban agriculture.....why?"
why not? vacant lots. food production, local, with no transportation costs.
|||Anonymous | 10.31.09 - 12:42 pm
Someday, Allan, you'll realize that we do not care what you think about anything at all.|||
And a week or so later, y'all're gonna get tired of tellin' him that......
My take on urban gardening:
Green things are cool and soothing. People like that.
People also like to do things with their hands at home. Gardening and cooking are the easiest ways to do that. And sex. Also.
Despite some fiddling around with executive perks and salaries, the Obama/Geithner version of TARP is exactly the same as the Bush/Paulson version in all its essentials. It’s a classic Hamiltonian project to prevent asset deflation by propping up their values with taxpayer money. The taxpayers are being saddled with interest-bearing debt to buy up bad assets at their inflated value, in order to provide banks with the liquidity to lend money back to the public at interest. What’s not to like–if you’re a banker?
http://c4ss.org/content/1305
I'll just read the thread again. Are we supposed to be preparing for another depression?
Gotta get up early tomorrow, and help load a trailer with scooters, and maybe ride the Big Daddy x500Ri down to Franklin for a scooter-n-pony show.
For people who want to on a small scale it is because they want to but urban agriculture.....why?
ms fahrenheit fragile hardass | 10.31.09 - 12:56 pm | #
To make fresh produce more accessible.
But, frankly, there are farmers' markets all over the city now, so urban farming isn't really necessary. However, it might be a good experiment for kids so that they realize not all food comes in a cardboard box.
Obama economy had another great day. How many House Democrats under investigation? The crooked Pa judge was also a democrat.
CHANGE we can believe in HAHA
STOP THE KENYAN MUSLIM SOCIALIST.
Kill the Public Option and all Health Care Reform.
Nothing is going to pass, as Harry and Nancy dont have the votes for anything. Thanks to the Blue Dogs and Senators like Liebermann, Bayh, Lincoln et al.
Great victory for the American People.
The end of Obama - celebrate.
Palin and Bachmann in 2012
Take back the House in 2010.
Virginia and NJ governors next Tuesday.
Hoffman in NY 23th district
All looking good.
simels, answer the fucking question. What do you get out of namestealing GWPDA?
Since I'm a simels sockpuppet anyway, according to the grand poohbahof sockpuppetry, I'll answer:
What does simels get out of namestealing GWPDA? A Sunbeam toaster and a Rand McNally road atlas!
So... BEER ME EARLY!
oh wait I hate the deer. Won't catch me in the country ever!
Culture of TrÜth | Homepage | 10.31.09 - 12:57 pm | #
You have the best of both worlds then, don't you?
I had a hope that Obama would not be as much of a coporatist twit as he's turned out to be.
According to rootless it's the progressive's fault.
if the Dems didn't act so weak they would not be called weak
they don't help themseleves
Moonbootica, ODST | Homepage | 10.31.09 - 12:58 pm | #
I don't think they are "weak", I think they represent a coalition of mildly reformist parts of the power structure. The pitch of Democrats being "weak", as our buddy SydB told us here last week "crying little bitches", is carefully constructed right wing propaganda that "progressives" naively repeat.
You have the best of both worlds then, don't you?
Brooklyn Girl, shady dame | Homepage | 10.31.09 - 1:00 pm | #
I've seen more deer 20 miles west of the city than I ever did in the midwest.
your not cheerleading enough
Someday, Allan, you'll realize that we do not care what you think about anything at all.
Villago Delenda Est | 10.31.09 - 12:53 pm | #
This is an example of what I call, "The Unitroll Conspiracy." What's notable about this is how many of these individuals are mostly atheistic or secular in their political philosophy, yet they adopt a Christian-like obsession with a single entity - in this case the mythical "Butler" - being responsible for whatever their delusion allows them to think.
Or, Steven has advanced to a stage that has never been recorded in the annals of psychology.
"As for benefits--you can't think of a benefit related to the availability of fresh, wholesome produce in the neighborhoods that purchase these products?"
yes, but if you have a big farm in the middle of a city it'll fuck up the continuity of walkable 3 story appt buildings, and take up the space of at least 4 fern bars.
your not cheerleading enough
Moonbootica, ODST
then again you can see both parties as one imperial party
with a less insane faction in power but still its all part of the ruling class fixing it for themseleves
Obama economy had another great day. How many House Democrats under investigation? The crooked Pa judge was also a democrat.
CHANGE we can believe in HAHA
STOP THE KENYAN MUSLIM SOCIALIST.
Kill the Public Option and all Health Care Reform.
Nothing is going to pass, as Harry and Nancy dont have the votes for anything. Thanks to the Blue Dogs and Senators like Liebermann, Bayh, Lincoln et al.
Great victory for the American People.
The end of OBama - celebrate.
Palin and Bachmann in 2012
Take back the House in 2010.
Virginia and NJ governors next Tuesday.
Hoffman in NY 23th district
All looking good.
The country will be taken back very quickly
||The smiley faces are positioned in the exact same place.||
The Simely faces?
But planting tomatoes and green peppers on your own little bit of land is not promoting urban agriculture.
I too, enjoy a garden and believe I would continue to grow something in a city, but what is the larger point?
I'm thinking working together and caring for others was lost during the Bush administration and this needs taught again, in a grassroots kind of way.(?) Pun intended.
According to rootless it's the progressive's fault.
George Johnston | Homepage | 10.31.09 - 1:00 pm | #
No. What's the "progressives" fault is that instead of articulating a vision of a more egalitarian/democratic nation and organizing support for it, they are captive of the politics as spectacle narrative and act like disgruntled consumers of a dissatisfying TV show.
||The smiley faces are positioned in the exact same place.||
The Simely faces?
The simile faces!
Of course, the main problem with urban agriculture is that you cannot have urban farms without . . . . curb cuts.
i mean did anyone really expect there to be massive change?
not when those same people are still in charge?
same attitudes and same system in fact
I'm still getting the madmen grav on my end.
Has it changed back to Brian?
People are going to find out how badly healthcare "reform" turned out just in time for the 2012 elections. The compromise consisted of giving inusrance lobbyists everything they wanted and denying what 2/3s of Americans wanted.
I've seen more deer 20 miles west of the city than I ever did in the midwest.
geor3ge | 10.31.09 - 1:01 pm | #
New Jersey is loaded with them.
And Canada geese. Loaded.
Since I'm a simels sockpuppet anyway, according to the grand poohbahof sockpuppetry, I'll answer:
What does simels get out of namestealing GWPDA? A Sunbeam toaster and a Rand McNally road atlas!
Villago Delenda Est | 10.31.09 - 1:00 pm | #
It's just a coincidence you tend to answer with the same pity, one liners that simels tries to , right "villago?"
(throws a Tirolean chocolate bar with chianti toward rootless)
I'm still getting the madmen grav on my end.
Has it changed back to Brian?
steve simels
I see dog people.
New Jersey is loaded with them.
I've nearly run over several.
with a less insane faction in power but still its all part of the ruling class fixing it for themseleves
Moonbootica, ODST | Homepage | 10.31.09 - 1:03 pm | #
Yes, but if you have that vision, you can't take as much comfort in the cartoon view where you can blame Larry Summers evil and Barack Obama's weak character for the dominance of the corporate elite.
working together and caring for others was lost
Yes. This is one of the things I like most about the localvore and CSA movements.
My main dislike: too much kale.
I had the boys bring me in a load of nice growing soil for the garden. However, before I could get it spread out and planted Arthur decided that being King of the Mountain was more important. No garden in the garden space this year. These are from the bed on the side patio.
Has it changed back to Brian?
steve simels, amiable zany | Homepage | 10.31.09 - 1:05 pm | #
Nope.
This is my neighborhood. Semi-rural purgatory.
"Of course, the main problem with urban agriculture is that you cannot have urban farms without . . . . curb cuts."
i'm telling you, you eliminate the fern bars and you'll put out of work scores of depressed young blonds with acoustic guitars. it's a jobs killer.
{{{geor3ge!}}}
So glad to see you.
I agree with Congresswoman Michelle Bachmann and Stop the Spending Madness Now… With God's help and a lot of prayers we will make it.Keep up the fight and always remember prayers are answered.The Democrats must and will be stopped in their tracks. We WILL take back our country. God bless and keep you safe.
I see dog people.
jac, satyrical | 10.31.09 - 1:06 pm | #
I thank you.
http://cache.virtualtourist.com/
...th_Freeport.jpg
Hellhole.
if the Dems didn't act so weak they would not be called weak
they don't help themseleves
Moonbootica, ODST | Homepage | 10.31.09 - 12:58 pm | #
I don't think they are "weak", I think they represent a coalition of mildly reformist parts of the power structure. The pitch of Democrats being "weak", as our buddy SydB told us here last week "crying little bitches", is carefully constructed right wing propaganda that "progressives" naively repeat.
rootless-e, ahora mas lobo | 10.31.09 - 1:01 pm | #
No, it's because they act weak. You don't like to admit that, but it's true. They let the pukes push them around, needlessly, all the damn time. It's why something as simple as Grayson refusing to apologize makes everyone so giddy.
Of course, the main problem with urban agriculture is that you cannot have urban farms without . . . . curb cuts.
Gromit
Gromit is worse than Hitler.
I'm still getting the madmen grav on my end.
Has it changed back to Brian?
steve simels, amiable zany | Homepage | 10.31.09 - 1:05 pm | #
bookmark this folks!!!
Sorry Simels, but technology has just outed you. Both your and BG's gravs have reverted back to your old ones! What a coincidence!!
Tech has outed the fake Simels and his puppet!!!!!
sidhra
Gorgeous!
Auntie GWPDA!
I hope the day finds you well.
{{{Sallyh}}}
Wie geht's?
Or, Steven has advanced to a stage that has never been recorded in the annals of psychology.
Dr. Here's A. Couch | 10.31.09 - 1:01 pm | #
heh, heh, heh
I see cardinals in the 140-year-old oak tree right outside my living room window. I leave seeds for them on my window sill.
This is my neighborhood.
Like I said, urban hellhole.
Brooklyn Girl, shady dame
That's a nice block you live on. But the trees are still coming straight up out of the concrete. Not for me. I don't judge you for liking where you live, but I know what the place where you live is like. My sister lived there for like 6 years.
Gorgeous tomatoes, Dr G
For example: the most likely outcome of Obama’s “healthcare reform” will be to compel the uninsured to buy insurance at whatever price the industry makes it available, and enable the industry to cartelize the cost of covering preexisting conditions by raising the average premium for everyone. That’s pretty much what happened under the Romney plan in Massachusetts, isn’t it?
http://c4ss.org/content/1305
GWPDA
Those 'matoes look delish!
"I've nearly run over several."
i've had 'em in my back yard at noon. (a backyard, for those not in the know, is a little slice of green in suburbanland.)
the only problem is the city won't let ya kill 'em.
depressed young blonds with acoustic guitars.
jdw
What has Suzanne Vega got to do with it?
geor3ge, as I don't speak German, I'm going to guess that you're asking how things are.
Maddy's hearing is Thursday. I'm going to dependency court to get my visits back.
Has it changed back to Brian?
steve simels, amiable zany | Homepage | 10.31.09 - 1:05 pm | #
Nope.
Brooklyn Girl, shady dame | Homepage | 10.31.09 - 1:06 pm | #
"BG?" I got bad news for you!
Your grav has reverted back to your old one, just like Simels!
seems like someone just got caught, doesn't it?
No, it's because they act weak. You don't like to admit that, but it's true. They let the pukes push them around, needlessly, all the damn time. It's why something as simple as Grayson refusing to apologize makes everyone so giddy.
Hecate, Runnymeade Conspirator | Homepage | 10.31.09 - 1:07 pm | #
90% of the time, "acting weak" involves using the far right as an excuse for doing what the lobbyists and donors tell them to do.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/1wa...mit/4044921854/
"Hellhole."
nice!
Dr. Here's A. Couch | 10.31.09 - 1:01 pm
Allan, you're fooling no one.
It's why something as simple as Grayson refusing to apologize makes everyone so giddy.
Hecate, Runnymeade Conspirator
Yep, Obama and/or Rahm and/or Biden and/or a host of other people whose email ends with whitehouse.gov could have stood up for Van Jones but didn't. Now their apologists blame us for their folding.
Maddy's hearing is Thursday. I'm going to dependency court to get my visits back.
All good things to you.
The enthusiasm for it stems from the belief in the social and educational aspects of it.
It should make some marginal economic sense. In other words should be done on very low priced land.
All that’s changing. We have reason to hope that no majority, of either party, will ever again have such a free hand. We’re experiencing something analogous to the revolutionary shift in advantage to the defensive, in military affairs, that followed the introduction of the machine gun. What’s likely to follow, no matter what party is in power or even holds a super-majority, is bloody political trench warfare in which the majority party expends political capital the same way Marshall Foch expended lives, all just to gain a few meaningless yards of dirt.
http://c4ss.org/content/1305
Thank you, geor3ge.
We'll see what happens. Not sure if Mlle and the SO are coming. They're thinking about it. Mlle's not in that great a position, but if she shows with the SO and the ex punches out the SO, that would alter the dynamic.
They let the pukes push them around, needlessly, all the damn time. It's why something as simple as Grayson refusing to apologize makes everyone so giddy.
Hecate
Well, there's powerful, and there's boorish asshole.
Grayson is making a lot of noise being as big an asshole as the Republicans. Is he doing anything beyond that - actual action - to actually make people's lives better?
Because talk is cheap.
Hecate
Did anyone tell you of this?
"McGangBang"
This is a tasty sandwich combination from McDonald's. Off the Dollar Menu you order one double cheeseburger and one Spicy McChicken sandwich. Split the double cheeseburger between the two patties, and then put the entire Spicy McChicken sandwich inside the double cheeseburger. This originated from Daytona Beach McDonald's Restaurants.
I'm sort of seething.
LLAMAS!!!!!
(starts spitting)
Simels tries to cover his outing by asking "BG" if his grav has reverted back. Then "BG" tells him it's still the same.
All the while, both of "theirs" have changed back to the old gravs _without "their" knowledge!
GOD, this is fucking CLASSIC!!!
When the Republicans regain majorities in Congress, as they surely will eventually, and proceed to the business of overturning the Democrats’ work and railroading through a positive agenda of their own, I think they’ll find the Democrats have been excellent pupils. If sixty Senate seats are worthless for Democrats, they’ll be just as worthless to Republicans.
That’s exactly what we need–a government that’s impotent and paralyzed, no matter who controls it.
The era of bipartisanship, the era of moderation, is over.
Thanks, Republicans!
http://c4ss.org/content/1305
It's why something as simple as Grayson refusing to apologize makes everyone so giddy.
Hecate
"Hey! He's off the script!"
That's a nice block you live on. But the trees are still coming straight up out of the concrete. Not for me. I don't judge you for liking where you live, but I know what the place where you live is like. My sister lived there for like 6 years.
slartibartfast | 10.31.09 - 1:08 pm | #
You mean compared to the planned landscaping of the typical suburb?
Jesus.
I look at Republicans the way I do my former SIL.
No sense playing nice anymore. It's getting us nowhere.
Mlle's not in that great a position, but if she shows with the SO and the ex punches out the SO, that would alter the dynamic.
It's LA. Are there no actors?
(starts spitting)
flings tomatoes.
1Watt, Hermit©: gorgeous.
that's my ideal 'neighborhood'.
All the while, both of "theirs" have changed back to the old gravs _without "their" knowledge!
GOD, this is fucking CLASSIC!!!
Paladin | 10.31.09 - 1:13 pm | #
You have heard of email and the telephone, haven't you? Try them some time.
Of course, that would mean that someone would actually want to have a relationship with you.
Mark this day:
Halloween, 2009.
Technology - what simels thought was his friend and co-conspirator - has outed Simels!
Your sick twisted tale has done you in Simels! Your own computer has done you in!!!!!
slutty ethnic woman | 10.31.09 - 1:05 pm
Is Austin the mutliplex capital of America? Because they've certainly got one of the most naturally talented projectionists in the country there...
Gromit, sad part is, Mlle's ex was a child actor.
Most of them don't fare all that well when the spotlight's off them.
Yep, Obama and/or Rahm and/or Biden and/or a host of other people whose email ends with whitehouse.gov could have stood up for Van Jones but didn't. Now their apologists blame us for their folding.
George Johnston | Homepage | 10.31.09 - 1:10 pm | #
Brangelina level political analysis. Governments do not respond to political and economic pressure or act in the interests of dominant groups- they are entirely a product of the character of their most visible members.
Urban agriculture can also be a fertile field (get it?) for developing learning, and organization, and teamwork, and leadership -- all things that people can learn and teach. Good stuff for youth programs and ex-offender programs. Our culture often tells poor people that they are no good and have nothing to offer. Urban agriculture is an area where they can defy that message by producing something people want and need.
Not to mention they can alleviate the food desert problem in poor neighborhoods.
fuck u haloscan
"Hey! He's off the script!"
This is the part that would totally baffle the shitty grade-Z movie star that the morons worship.
On the contrary, Grayson made the point that Republican naysaying and trying to appease them is expensive talk. It costs thousands of Americans their lives every month.
Sorry to have added something off topic but I just wanted Hecate or Echidne to see it.
Gotta Go.............unless any of you want to take my 17 and 15 YO daughters to look for semi-formal dresses.
Dr. Here's A. Couch | 10.31.09 - 1:01 pm
Allan, you're fooling no one.
Villago Delenda Est | 10.31.09 - 1:10 pm | #
Liar! He's fooling you. I am Butler.
simels and BG both are using the same alphabet...... coincidence?
Urban agriculture can also be a fertile field (get it?) for developing learning, and organization, and teamwork, and leadership -- all things that people can learn and teach. Good stuff for youth programs and ex-offender programs. Our culture often tells poor people that they are no good and have nothing to offer. Urban agriculture is an area where they can defy that message by producing something people want and need.
Not to mention they can alleviate the food desert problem in poor neighborhoods.
strawhat, lucky ducky | 10.31.09 - 1:16 pm | #
There's pride and a sense of accomplishment in eating something, or even cutting a flower, that you grew yourself.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/1wa...mit/4056149786/
give it up simels. you've been caught red-handed. everyone sees your old gravs, and it's only you and "BG" who's gravs have changed.
you've been found out.
Chirac, former mayor of Daytona - Jacques Chirac, the former French president, has been ordered to stand trial on embezzlement charges over accusations he rewarded cronies with payments for non-existent jobs while mayor of Paris.
If the case goes ahead it will make Chirac the first holder of France's highest office to face a corruption trial.
The Paris public prosecutor has previously said the charges should be thrown out and is expected to appeal against the ruling by an investigating magistrate, Xavičre Simeoni, that the evidence against Chirac warrants a trial.
Chirac was mayor of the French capital between 1977 and 1995 before being elected to the Elyseé for 12 years. He is accused of having used his position as mayor to award 21 "ghost" contracts to his political aides and paying them from the city payroll.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/...orruption-
paris
General Zod, well, they did just return from Dayton.
From left to right: Wolfe's Neck, Pound of Tea (island), Crab Island, Bowman Island, Stockbridge Point, with Mosier's and Little Mosier's Islands in the distance.
Kind of depends what kind of landscaping hellhole suburb you live in, BG
simels and BG both are using the same alphabet...... coincidence?
General Zod | Homepage | 10.31.09 - 1:17 pm | #
Zod? slide that fat ass of yours right up tight againt me, lardass. i'll give you some like last time
You have heard of email and the telephone, haven't you? Try them some time.
Of course, that would mean that someone would actually want to have a relationship with you.
Brooklyn Girl, shady dame | Homepage | 10.31.09 - 1:15 pm | #
Yeah, that explains it.
Bwaahaaahaaahhaaahhaahahaahhh
Grayson wouldn't have let Van Jones go. If only I had Brangelina looks or money. By the way, Brad Pitt has done some serious work for rebuilding New Orleans. So your try at an ad hominem attack doesn't work.
Three key players instrumental in bringing down the Berlin Wall have marked the 20th year of the momentous event in a ceremony in the German capital.
George Bush Sr, the ex-US president, Mikhail Gorbachev, the last leader of the Soviet Union, and Helmut Kohl, the former German Chancellor, gathered in Berlin on Saturday to kick off a week of celebrations to commemorate the fall of the wall on November 9, 1989.
The three leaders paid their respects to the ordinary people who were behind the peaceful revolution that brought down the wall dividing East and West Germany during most of the Cold War.
http://english.aljazeera.net/
new...5533373261.html
Kind of depends what kind of landscaping hellhole suburb you live in, BG
GWPDA yclept Damaged Historian | 10.31.09 - 1:19 pm | #
I agree.
And nice to see you!
Pumpkin cheesecake is chilling in the fridge.
Of course, that would mean that someone would actually want to have a relationship with you.
Brooklyn Girl, shady dame | Homepage | 10.31.09 - 1:15 pm | #
As I pointed out the other day, the fat lank-haired Aggie shithead is such a loser that he seriously believes it's possible for him to have a mature relationship with his right hand.
It appears that no other posters gravs have reverted back to old versions. This is a problem for Steven.
Steve, call me ASAP. And don't forget to take your meds!
We're livin' in a Hell Hole.
You mean compared to the planned landscaping of the typical suburb?
Jesus.
Brooklyn Girl, shady dame
Um, that is not a typical suburb. It is a prefab shithole that never should have been built. It certainly bears no resemblance whatsoever to where I live now or where I grew up. I could find some hideously ugly poictures taken in NYC too. Here's an aerial photograph of my neighborhood: http://www.zillow.com/homes/map/...ect/16_zm/1_rs/
Grayson wouldn't have let Van Jones go. If only I had Brangelina looks or money. By the way, Brad Pitt has done some serious work for rebuilding New Orleans. So your try at an ad hominem attack doesn't work.
George Johnston | Homepage | 10.31.09 - 1:20 pm | #
I'm not critiquing Pitt, I'm critiquing celebrity journalism as a lens for viewing the world.
Why did the administration let Van Jones be pushed out and defend Giethner? Here's a secret: poor unemployed black people who need jobs are less powerful in America than rich wall street bankers. Shocking!
Sorry, but George H.W. Bush had nothing to do with the fall of the Berlin Wall.
He watched it on TV, stunnded that the paradigm his ilk used to prop up their power was melting away like a snowball in hell, wondering where the fuck they'd find an alternate boogyman to keep the masses diverted.
"We're livin' in a Hell Hole."
gorgeous old house! 1920 or so? looks like my old front porch.
It appears that no other posters gravs have reverted back to old versions. This is a problem for Steven.
Steve, call me ASAP. And don't forget to take your meds!
Dr. Here's A. Couch | 10.31.09 - 1:21 pm | #
jac, satyrical has the same cartoon image, and changed it around the same time as simels. Yet his hasn't changed, like BG's and simels has.
I am the one that studied in Vienna and worked at Betty Ford for 15 years. I saw immediately that simels was beyond help. I don't mess with crazy people and simels is as crazy as they come.
Aren't you Brooklyn Girl, er, simels?
I live in a Republican hellhole, but the scenery is nice.
jac - crazy about your front porch chairs.
Speaking of hell holes...
gorgeous old house! 1920 or so? looks like my old front porch.
jdw
Thanks. Pre-1920, but we've never done the research. As built, the lighting was dual gas/electric.
I am the one that studied in Vienna and worked at Betty Ford for 15 years. I saw immediately that simels was beyond help. I don't mess with crazy people and simels is as crazy as they come.
Aren't you Brooklyn Girl, er, simels?
Dr. Hahza-Couch | 10.31.09 - 1:24 pm | #
It's rare that 2 distinguished experts in our field are assigned to work with such an extremely rare and dangerous case as Steven's.
I look forward to working with you, Dr Hahza-Couch!
"Here's an aerial photograph of my neighborhood:"
that doesn't look very walkable. what do you do when you need a microbrew and wanna hear a skinny woman with an acoustic guitar...DRIVE?
I'd forgotten how slimy pumpkin insides are.
don't like pumpkins
too sweet and just bleugh
"Thanks. Pre-1920, but we've never done the research. As built, the lighting was dual gas/electric."
any more shots? wonderful!
Beautiful rainbow shots, GWPDA and BG!
Go back to the archives. No troll said that simels was in Dayton last year, they only said he wasn’t in Paris. It was either simels himself, or a supporter like trademark dave, that said he was in Dayton. But that’s the idiot simels, fabricating his own delusions.
Redmond O’Neill: an assessment by Bob Pitt
Speaking of hell holes...
Villago Delenda Est | 10.31.09 - 1:26 pm | #
That's so great.
I'll let you take over from here, Dr Hahza. I need a break from Steven.
crazy about your front porch chairs.
GWPDA
Pier 1. Given the number of cats that roam the neighborhood, the porch furniture has to essentially be disposable.
that doesn't look very walkable. what do you do when you need a microbrew and wanna hear a skinny woman with an acoustic guitar...DRIVE?
jdw | 10.31.09 - 1:27 pm | #
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Shit, we're out of gas in the SUV and I need to hear some whey-faced droning 20 years olds mumble about their sorrow!
Italian police have captured one of the country's most wanted mafia fugitives during a raid on a chicken farm near the southern city of Naples.
Salvatore Russo, 51, is the head of a Camorra clan which bears his name.
He has been on the run since being sentenced in 1995 to life in jail for murder and links to organised crime.
Police said he was found with weapons including a machine gun and a pistol, hiding behind a thick wall at the farm near the town of Somma Vesuviana.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world...ope/
8335742.stm
Is he doing anything beyond that - actual action - to actually make people's lives better?
Yes. He supports real healthcare reform not the game of footsie with insurance company lobbyists.
any more shots? wonderful!
jdw
This is from last Christmas.
that doesn't look very walkable. what do you do when you need a microbrew and wanna hear a skinny woman with an acoustic guitar...DRIVE?
jdw
It's 2 miles to downtown WC from where I live. Rather a long walk, but a very short bike ride.
jac somehow managed to steal my laptop, take a picture of it, and then give it back to me!
"Shit, we're out of gas in the SUV and I need to hear some whey-faced droning 20 years olds mumble about their sorrow!"
those streets are all curvey and totally unsuitable for trolly tracks into the entertainment district.
I mean, yes I have to get in my car a lot more than I did back in Berkeley, but I don't have to drive very far.
"This is from last Christmas."
arts and crafts! freaking awesome.
Here's an aerial photograph of my neighborhood: http://www.zillow.com/homes/map/...ect/16_zm/1_rs/
slartibartfast | 10.31.09 - 1:22 pm | #
Nice balance of trees and homes.
And out of the range of a lot of people's wallets, I would suspect.
It's rare that 2 distinguished experts in our field are assigned to work with such an extremely rare and dangerous case as Steven's.
I look forward to working with you, Dr Hahza-Couch!
Dr. Here's A. Couch | 10.31.09 - 1:26 pm | #
Likewise I am sure, my esteemed colleague. But to clarify, I am not working with him, simels is crazy, truely batshit insane, I only work with people who think they are crazy. I learned that at Betty Ford.
I only comment here sometimes in order to try to help others who think they know and like the evil crazy fuck simels.
jac, you have a beautiful home.
Anyway, I don't assert that where I live is the bestest place in the world. But it's pretty good for me, and you just can't get that sort of thing in New York City.
This is from last Christmas.
Gorgeous glass.
This is my urban hellhole:
http://outdoors.webshots.com/
pho...096501088nMiZwe
How can a person be pro-train and anti-urban agriculture? Hell, Portlanders are planting tomatoes in parking strips. Dude, get with it.
bye for now
Time for a new thread. This one is filled up with Allan's left hand, covered in a sock, talking to his right hand, covered with a sock, both pretending to be Lucy in her advice booth.
jdw, here is a street view.
Nice balance of trees and homes.
And out of the range of a lot of people's wallets, I would suspect.
Brooklyn Girl, shady dame
It was out of the range of my wife's and my collective wallets until just last year. It took me 20 years to save up for that.
jac, you have a beautiful home.
MP
Gorgeous glass.
AndyG
Thanks.
This is from last Christmas.
jac, satyrical | 10.31.09 - 1:31 pm | #
Lovely.
I think I'm going to go live with jac. I'm sure his wife won't mind.
I need to go be productive. Later, all.
I think I'm going to go live with jac. I'm sure his wife won't mind.
mer
As long as you don't plan to spend the weekends here, she might never know
Thanks, BG. We love our neighborhood.
Anyway, I don't assert that where I live is the bestest place in the world. But it's pretty good for me, and you just can't get that sort of thing in New York City.
slartibartfast | 10.31.09 - 1:34 pm | #
Actually, you can, in Fieldston in the Bronx.
jdw, here is a street view.
jac, satyrical | 10.31.09 - 1:36 pm |
I really, really want your porch.
jdw, here is a street view.
jac, satyrical
That looks alot like the neighborhood I used to live in in Berkeley.
"jdw, here is a street view."
can i ask where ya live?
beautiful.
Neighborhood tree house in our city park. (Handicapped-accessible)
http://jmacburke.smugmug.com/
Ver...692746756_QMed7
This is my urban hellhole:
http://outdoors.webshots.com/ pho...096501088nMiZwe
Buckeye
Buckeye lives on the street? How sad . . .
Buckeye-- I expected more Renaults and Fiats on your street.
can i ask where ya live?
beautiful.
jdw
http://vahi.org
http://virginiahighland.com
"Buckeye lives on the street? How sad . . ."
it's the red car on the right.
jdw, here is a street view.
jac, satyrical | 10.31.09 - 1:36 pm |
Is that Norman Rockwell Lane?
You really have that house looking good.
This one is filled up with Allan's left hand, covered in a sock, talking to his right hand, covered with a sock, both pretending to be Lucy in her advice booth.
Villago Delenda Est | 10.31.09 - 1:36 pm | #
You are giving yourself away crazy guy.
sweet! figured it was south as it looked entirely too warm for xmas!
I really, really want your porch.
Buckeye
My lovely bride heat-gunned every surface, and also stripped the paint on the window leading.
Took her six months. Smoove as a baby's butt.
This is from last Christmas.
jac, satyrical |
You live in a magazine. weird.
You really have that house looking good.
General Zod
Thanks. It took a bit of work.
The view through the front door.
This is my urban hellhole:
http://outdoors.webshots.com/ pho...096501088nMiZwe
Buckeye
Buckeye lives on the street? How sad . . .
jac, satyrical | 10.31.09 - 1:40 pm | #
Pier 1. Given the number of cats that roam the neighborhood, the porch furniture has to essentially be disposable.
Hee - thus it is on my front porch. My basket chairs are from the resale, and the cushions are home to damned near every cat on the block. Arthur is not pleased.
You live in a magazine. weird.
Ali
Not really - I'm just not showing pictures of the flaws
I really, really want your porch.
Buckeye
My lovely bride heat-gunned every surface, and also stripped the paint on the window leading.
Took her six months. Smoove as a baby's butt.
I love porches. I bought my house because of the screen porch and it's really where I do almost everything from April through October. Mine's in back, but I do love front porches, too, and I think they can engender a sense of community where people out walking stop by and chat when you're out on your porch.
This is for sale two doors down. (Has my dune in the backyard as well - along with the deer and turkeys and other fauna)
(That is too high a price: it is being foreclosed upon - I think you could get it for around 100.)
my backyard is a cornfield. with a potential 200 bu./acre going on if mother nature cooperates and lets us retrieve it. megafuckingcrop for these parts. your welcome.
Whoops.
Link.
http://www.remax-muskegon-mi.com...ber=2941333&
l=y
"Thanks. It took a bit of work."
copper gutters? you guys are freaking awesome.
I also think that front porches are undergoing a bit of a comeback. I've noticed lots of non-McMansion new homes tend to have them.
That house cannot belong to a DFH. The mat says "Welcome", not "Fuck Off".
In the 70's, they moved the front porches to the back yard.
I do love front porches, too, and I think they can engender a sense of community where people out walking stop by and chat when you're out on your porch.
Hecate
Very much so. We spend a lot of time on the porch, and our street is a popular one for dog-walkers and people exercising. Lots of back and forth.
"Interviews with the New Jersey State Police yielded a rather different assessment of the events described by Dobbs."
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/
is...r_b_339696.html
food is a trivial subject to a man with a full belly.
"(That is too high a price: it is being foreclosed upon - I think you could get it for around 100.)"
great deals in the midwest. if that was in PA, i'd bite.
In the 70's, they moved the front porches to the back yard.
That's where mine is and it's great in terms of privacy; I entertain out there a lot, which I wouldn't do out front. I guess my ideal would be porches front and back.
Lots of back and forth.
"Get a job, hippies!"
"Up yours, hoser!"
Oct 20 - Oct 30
Twenty banks 'fail'.
In teh New Consolidation, let there be several Citibanks.
-
copper gutters? you guys are freaking awesome.
jdw
Since we do the work ourselves, we make damn sure we're only gonna do it once.
The total cost of the gutter project was about $3,500, cheaper than 'regular' gutters installed by someone else.
copper gutters? you guys are freaking awesome.
Thanks a lot!
Hecate, I agree. It's tough to keep an eye on the neighbor's comings and goings from the back yard.
It's something of a tradition for old-timers in new england to sit in lawn chairs in front of their garage.
I've never quite figured that out. Showing off their stuff?
Very much so. We spend a lot of time on the porch, and our street is a popular one for dog-walkers and people exercising. Lots of back and forth.
Which is a good way to build community. People don't have to schedule a meeting or invite others over for a specific party, but neighbors exchange news, etc. I find out all the neighborhood news whenever I'm out front weeding the flower beds and my neighbors walk by.
That house cannot belong to a DFH. The mat says "Welcome", not "Fuck Off".
Gromit
In the 70's, they moved the front porches to the back yard.
That's where mine is and it's great in terms of privacy; I entertain out there a lot, which I wouldn't do out front. I guess my ideal would be porches front and back.
Hecate, Runnymeade Conspirator | Homepage | 10.31.09 - 1:5
That's what I want, a nice big public porch in the front, and one in the back.
"I guess my ideal would be porches front and back."
ditto. we have a nice covered patio in the back, but not in front. the wife always wanted a wrap around, but since she still hasn't noticed I cut off my beard, she ain't gonna get it.
OK, later, you lovely Moonbats. Gotta go finish getting things ready for tonight. And, remember, all that candy's been hexed, so don't eat any.
jdw, she still hasn't noticed? Holy crap.
That house cannot belong to a DFH. The mat says "Welcome", not "Fuck Off".
Gromit
jac, satyrical | 10.31.09 - 1:53 pm | #
Ha!
Although, if it belong to a real hippie, it would say "Take Your Shoes Off" ...
But it is a beautiful, welcoming house.
jdw,
That's par for the course, jdw. When I go to a restaurant I always have to ask my wife which of the ubiquitous, attractive young ladies was our server. Never even notice anymore. . . .
I have a serious question I'm hoping someone can answer.
We now know that we're getting the most limited of Public Options possible, available to perhaps 1 -2% of the population.
So my question is, if the Obama health care plan cost is 900 billion dollars over 10 years, where does the money go? Certainly not to the PO...
the wife always wanted a wrap around, but since she still hasn't noticed I cut off my beard, she ain't gonna get it.
jdw
We're going to replicate the front porch on the back of the house one day, and screen it.
"It's something of a tradition for old-timers in new england to sit in lawn chairs in front of their garage."
we do that here, being old folks and all.
i made the mistake of introducing my wife to the 'bet on the color of the next car going by' game, and in the time it took to drink an espresso was down $12.
jac, are you on St. Charles? VaHi was my old neighborhood before I (we) retired. The house looks so familiar. I miss walking in that neighborhood so much. -B
"jdw, she still hasn't noticed? Holy crap."
nope. i think i need to take her in for an evaluation.
sheets, fuckers.
Although, if it belong to a real hippie, it would say "Take Your Shoes Off" ...
But it is a beautiful, welcoming house.
Brooklyn Girl
Thanks.
Which reminds me, there's wiring to be done in the kitchen. Ta.
nope. i think i need to take her in for an evaluation.
jdw
Don't leave her there. She might not find her way home.
"So my question is, if the Obama health care plan cost is 900 billion dollars over 10 years, where does the money go? Certainly not to the PO..."
it goes to subsidize people like me, to purchase insurance.
The house looks so familiar. I miss walking in that neighborhood so much.
Bob and Lenore
Got it in one, Bob. That's us. Feel free to stop by some time.
The back deck on our house was transformed into a covered screened-in porch several years ago. With ceiling fans. Very pleasant space. We live in the woods. It is very nice. Except for early yesterday morning when I heard a CRACK and a THUD. Another huge oak fell in the woods, but at least not on the house.
Urban Guinea Pig ranching?
http://deathby1000papercuts.com/...ted-guinea-pig/
It's something of a tradition for old-timers in new england to sit in lawn chairs in front of their garage.
I've never quite figured that out. Showing off their stuff?
Gromit, with secret agenda |
If they're real New Englanders their garage is too full of stuff for them to have their lawn chairs in the garage. If they're real Mainers they'd be sitting on lawn chairs in back of their car that can't fit into the garage.
guess my ideal would be porches front and back.
Front porch, in front, ramada in back. Side patio on - side. It's all to lower utility costs, decrease excess hardscape and increase air circulation.
Food
That was a wild play just now in the Indiana/Iowa game.
Secret English court seizes billions in assets from the mentally-impaired
http://joshfulton.blogspot.com/2...-assets-
of.html
Why urban ag?
Read worldchanging.com.
There are all kinds of benefits to urban ag. Not the least of which is that the food is right there; minimal shipping required. The carbon footprint of your fresh local veggies goes down.
Two words: Peak Oil.
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