HULK SMASHED
a single
None shall pass
tries for 2
nopeski, just a single
Peace
Well, those vets were just crazy.
I predict that this will be a short thread.
I found a paint-gun in my son's footlocker!
I predict that this will be a short thread.
Nobody could have foreseen... yada, yada, yada.
There are a few shattered Vietnam hermit vets that live in in the hills behind me. They collect ferns and sorrel for the florists. Most try their best to avoid humans in general. One guy knows I did my time in country and comes to see me once in a while. I give him my old magazines. He's have been there since the 70's.
Ya right, we support our troops. Fuck Bush & the village.
I found a paint-gun in my son's footlocker!
Jesus H Christ! Private Pyle, why is there a jelly donut in your footlocker?
Stress of war; also the result of training.
Harper's reported some time back (I have a link somewhere, but I'm lazy...) that military training after Vietnam went from "Do it for your buddy!" to "Be a stone cold killer!"
Which is rather hard training to shake off, especially after awhile in Iraq.
And John McCain promises a million years of this!
We just had a situation here in MN where a soldier was "sucided by cop" (a term I loathe, BTW).
Then, a few months after he died, his mother broke into his house and stole a bunch of his shit.
Can you imagine?
Big Engine, Big Towin', Big Brakes.
None shall pass
Least of all Favre.
...and she tried to burn down the house.
...and United States citizens are still namby-pamby compared to the crazy-ass fightin' cultures found around the world.
Now, I am depressed.
As i said earlier when someone posted this, this is only the beginning. We have a generation of Tim McVeighs and Lee Harvey Oswalds to live through.
...and she tried to burn down the house.
It's cold in them thar hills.
...and she tried to burn down the house.
What did she want?
Least of all Favre
At this point, no. Keep the ball on the ground and run down the clock.
Dead threaded:
let's talk of sex and football instead.
chicago dyke, foily
I concur!!
Seattle can't catch.
The troops were simply political props to Bush, Cheney, Rove, and the neocons. After that, they simply don't matter to them. Their families don't either.
What did she want?
The house, which was left to his adoptive parents.
There are a few shattered Vietnam hermit vets that live in in the hills behind me. They collect ferns and sorrel for the florists. Most try their best to avoid humans in general.
I worked with a Vietnam Vet for a while. Nice guy, but the experienced had obviously profoundly effected him. He told me about some vets he knew who lived out in the wilds like that.
i am not at all surprised to read news like this, and i expect much, much more like it to come.
ntodd, others- i left an answer downstairs.
When I was there the goal was to just stay alive. That was everybody including LT. Nobody cared about winning. We all knew it was bullshit. We knew there was no win possible.
I'm guessing there is a lot of that going on in Iraq now.
Ah, here's the Harper's article.
Serious people, without virtue, with serious hate have made the beautiful earth into something that it should not be.
The Canadian Broadcasting Corporation had a story on the best Post Traumatic Stress Disorder treatment facility in the world. It's in the Army and open only to soldiers under arms who have already agreed to go back. Essentially it's not so much treatment of sick people as a way from the Army to prevent Columbine situations.
They also had a bitter interview with an army wife who said the only way the VA pays attention to psychological problems is if you hurt someone or are about to kill yourself. (We ourselves have received outstanding service from the VA regarding non-combat-related physical problems but have no confidence in their psychological services.)
Sure wish I didn't live 2 hours from the nearest VA outpatient clinic. That's something I'd really love to help with.
To the significant limits of my abilities, of course.
Now is probably not the time to offer up my exegesis on how the VietNam war effectively destroyed male/female relations for an entire generation.
But it did. This one is worse. This one is going to go on forever.
.
In most cities, 25 to 33% of the homeless are vets. PTSD up the ying yang.
MANAMA, Bahrain - President Bush said Saturday he is open to the possibility of slowing or stopping plans to bring home more U.S. troops from Iraq, defying domestic demands to speed the withdrawals. Updated on war developments, Bush said the U.S. presence in Iraq will outlast his presidency.
Nothing in the affairs of man ...
People's interviewer also mentioned that readers had asked if he takes sleep aids. Bush said generally not, but he does occasionally when he travels.
“I must tell you, I'm sleeping a lot better than people would assume,” he said. He said he drinks a couple of cups of coffee in the morning and drinks a lot of water and, of course, no alcohol.“I don't drink alcohol. I can remember when I used to drink, I had trouble sleeping at night,” the President said.
Interview People mag., 12/14/06
Updated on war developments, Bush said the U.S. presence in Iraq will outlast his presidency.
Gilly Gonzylon
Bush to world: "Blow me. By which I mean, again."
The surge worked so well troops must remain. What a crock.
Dead threaded from below.
"GWPDA, Arthur & Angel"
What's this?
Have you adopted a little sister for Arthur?
trifecta -- it's your turn.
Fort Carson Ring Linked to G.I. Deaths
Two Iraq war veterans from the same Fort Carson platoon were tied to a Colorado Springs crime ring that police said is responsible for killing two Soldiers and other recent violent crimes.
Colorado Springs police say former Soldier Louis Bressler and Pfc. Bruce Bastien Jr. are the prime suspects in the Aug. 4 killing of Pfc. Robert James, 23, of the 43rd Area Support Group, whose bullet-riddled body was found in a car in a Lake Avenue bank parking lot.
Bressler, 24, and Bastien, 21, are in jail in connection with death of Spc. Kevin Shields of the 2nd Brigade Combat Team, whose body was found Dec. 1 on the sidewalk in the 200 block of South 16th Street near Old Colorado City after he was shot to death. He had been out celebrating his 24th birthday.
Family members have said Bressler came home from Iraq for treatment of post-traumatic stress disorder, a mental illness that has become a hallmark of the Iraq war. Some 600 Fort Carson Soldiers were diagnosed with it last year.
Commanders at the post have said war-related stress is possibly responsible for a sharp increase in crime on the post since the 2003 invasion of Iraq.
The number of Soldiers going AWOL for a month or more went from 22 in 2003 to 110 last year. Domestic violence reports rose from 21 in 2003 to 79 last year, and theft reports jumped from 68 to 179.
Of course it will outlast his presidency, that was the whole point of the "surge"
Now is probably not the time to offer up my exegesis on how the VietNam
war effectively destroyed male/female relations for an entire
generation.Have you got a short version?
nope yours V.
refresh the board.
You have to do it between turns.
NTodd's Pa's alternative service was in PT at the hospital in Williamsport, PA. A lot of the patients he worked with were vets. Very angry and depressed, and the situation really angered and depressed my dad.
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i sincerely and with the utmost enthusiasm invite you to post this at our place. you can email it to me and i'll put it up under an anon nym, if you'd like.
i would really like to hear what you think.
"Ya see, it fell apart after I left office. Ain't my fault"
/Chimpy
The New York Times found 121 cases in which veterans of Iraq and Afghanistan committed a killing in this country, or were charged with one, after their return from war.
Either you are pro-war or anti-American.
Get on the goddamn bus or get off.
Sarcasm aside, this is horrible.
ntodd, others- i left an answer downstairs.
chicago dyke, foily
Repair of optical nerve damage is a few years from getting out of the lab. But let me make an inquiry. Your dad is somewhere near Chicago, I assume.
Fox Broadcaster plowing the endzone.
You have to do it between turns.
trifecta
O
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The house, which was left to his adoptive parents.
Sad situation.
how stupid would you have to be to think Bush *suffers* in any concievable way?
"In most cities, 25 to 33% of the homeless are vets. PTSD up the ying yang."
It's bad here in Boston. I give a lot to the New England Shelter for Homeless Veterans, and wish I could give more.
If you'll allow me a sitewhore about this from more than 10 years ago:
http://www.gis.net/~cht/flagrant.html
Wisconsin just shut down two VA-affiliated clinics because they were in such shit shape. And Minnesota just took oversight of the main on in Minneapolis.
It's just pathetic. And goes to show what horse-shit the health care system is, as a whole.
they'll be driving those support the troops decals
by the homeless vets on the side of the road
while they listen to Rush
The Bush/Cheney government saves money on every soldier who comes home in a casket.
Sadly, there needs to be a remake of Paul Hardcastle's song Nineteen.
(This was probably one of the first mentions of PTSD in the popular culture.)
A big public hospital recently shut down in Atlanta.
Perhaps if I ever meet some of you in person I'll share what it is like to live with random death. It fucks you up.
your turn, and I think I just heard thunder!
Overcompensating by Jeffey Rowland, our favorite online comic, had a design for a t-shirt that is apparently discontinued: a universal handicapped
symbol augmented with a peaked cover, and the words "Support Our Troops,
All of Them." We have not been able to find it.
I work with homeless vets. I encourage everybody to give what they can to their local shelter, vet's programs... etc.
I work with homeless vets. I encourage everybody to give what they can to their local shelter, vet's programs... etc.
Nonono, see, they CHOOSE to be homeless.
My neighbor and friend is a Vietnam Vet who saw a lot of action. He's been able to deal with it and lives a normal life, fortunately. His right wing tendencies are slowly turning around. Even he realizes how badly Bush screwed up.
That's what happens when you marry military men or even cops.
last one, and no more about my issues, K?
Repair of optical nerve damage is a few years from getting out of the lab. But let me make an inquiry. Your dad is somewhere near Chicago, I assume.
shawk |
we've already been to the best. mom is faculty at the area med school, so no problems seeing the experts. bottom line: it's over, he's blind, deal with it. the case is that there is nothing to be done but "deal with it." and so i am. he was everything to me when i was a child/young adult, everything any person could ask for as a dad. i am going to prove to him how right he did by me and his family, and he won't want for anything, no matter what else may come. my last breath will be dedicated to making this true.
i now live in MI, to be close to him/them, and care for him and help them. it's what i know is right, and thus will do happily.
I work with homeless vets. I encourage everybody to give what they can to their local shelter, vet's programs... etc.
Nonono, see, they CHOOSE to be homeless.
Uncle NTodd
It's all Jane Fonda's fault.
Nonono, see, they CHOOSE to be homeless.
Uncle NTodd
Which is weird, considering their abundant options.
Yes ntodd. In fact, with a little moxie, they will be living in the burbs any day now.
Hasselbeck is horrible.
I encourage everybody to give what they can to their local shelter, vet's programs... etc.
Yes and more. Write a card, go visit... etc. The human contact thingie.
he was everything to me when i was a child/young adult, everything any person could ask for as a dad. i am going to prove to him how right he did by me and his family, and he won't want for anything, no matter what else may come. my last breath will be dedicated to making this true.
Wow. Beautiful. Making crybaby cry.
It's all Jane Fonda's fault.
I should be receiving my poster signed by her soon!
I predict that this will be a short thread.
Tralfaz
I predict that I'll eat some corn bread.
how the VietNam war effectively destroyed male/female relations for an entire generation.
I'd be interested to read that sometime. I've had thoughts along the same line myself. I've had thoughts on that myself, though I've never formulated it out. But my older sister lost a fiance in Vietnam, and watching her subsequent dating life and the type of guy she eventually married makes that very plausible to me.
Hasselbeck is horrible.
Down 42-20 on the road in the snow is a recipe for suck.
Hasselbeck is horrible.
The snow is in his face, and he has to make up a 37 touchdown deficit in under 10 minutes.
You'd be stressed too under those circumstances.
Refresing fizzie beverage to Tralfaz.
I still can't get over how fucking hilarious this is.
What happened to channel 5?
I turned on the game and there's a blank screen.
Did it snow that much in GB?
I'd be curious to find out the homeless vet stats for MN. Seeing that most enlisted kids are from out-state (outside of the Twin Cities), it'd be interesting where they find themselves, homeless or not.
I thought you meant the stinky reich winger from the View
Hasselbeck is horrible.
Ebenezer Le Page
Both of them.
Did it snow that much in GB?
It's snowing hard but game is still going...
"The troops knew what they were getting into!"
"The troops signed up for this!"
/Jonah Goldberg, et al.
Well, so far so good, football-wise. Favre is going to win this game. Now, let both Mannings triumph, and all the LA QB's will still be in it...
I thought you meant the stinky reich winger from the View
Gilly Gonzylon
Or the moronic fundie.
From Here to Eternity
We're going to be dealing with broken young lives for a long time.
Hasselbeck is horrible.
Ebenezer Le Page
Where’s his Messiah now, see ...
See, as awful and unwatchable as the View is normally, they do seem to have selected unusually worthless right-wingers as a kind of elitist joke. We know plenty of rightards who are respectably intelligent in difficult fields like medicine or physics; the only right-wingers Barbara Walters could find were these two airheads? It had to be deliberate. They're the kind of stupid where they have no idea how hilarious they sound.
Star Trek: The Next Generation had an episode about the consequences of warmongering, in the form of returning vets that a society refused to deal with.
Did it snow that much in GB?
See, this is why the state of Minnesota should pony up half a billion for a new outdoor Vikings stadium.
I like the set-up they've got in GB, with the whole public ownership bit. So...novel!
Favre is going to win this game.
OK my me!
From Here to Eternity
...and the X-rate spin-off: From Here (Dick) to Maternity
What will George Bush do about this?
with the whole public ownership bit
Which is why it's next to impossible for the Packers to ever leave Green Bay. Gotta love that...
Our soldiers are heroes. And they're heroes because they won the war. Say it, or be complicit in their mental breakdown.
awful and unwatchable-->Glen Beck par excellence. Fox has a highway billboard with a giant Glen Beck out on the highway,
What will George Bush do about this?
What he always does. Ignore it.
Star Trek: The Next Generation had an episode about the consequences of warmongering, in the form of returning vets that a society refused to deal with.
Troi: Let's get out here before the physically-enhanced, brain-damaged warriors take their vengeance.
Picard: Make it so.
Favre is from Mississippi.
"The troops knew what they were getting into!", "The troops signed up for this!"
Oh great, another reason to brain the son of Lucianne Moneymountain.
(Notice it is a policy of the editorial praesidium of the k&y collective to refer to these people who are wholly products of nepotism as "the son [or daughter] of [the relevant parent]," and not by their legal and unnecessray name. This is a good policy which should be more widely adopted.)
IIRC, the NFL won't permit public ownership of any other NFL teams.
with the whole public ownership bit
Which, once again, the Lords of the NFL will never allow to happen again.
Yeah, Feral.
Helps that the NFL eats this shit up (money-wise). I guess this new Clooney movie that's coming out is about the Duluth Eskimos, who later became the 'Skins.
We are complicit in their mental breakdown, you ignorant dunderpate.
from Here to Eternity
No, just the violent, maladjusted losers that are the enlisted men, and their malevolent superiors.
I know they don't mean to but sometimes K&Y crack me up.
/Jonah Goldberg, et al.
res ipsa loquitur
He's a walking argument for conscription, that little weasel.
Some of these Green Bay players are acting retarded.
IIRC, the NFL won't permit public ownership of any other NFL teams.
Of course, otherwise how could billionaires buy teams to be their playthings?
Troi: Let's get out here before the physically-enhanced, brain-damaged warriors take their vengeance.
Picard: Make it so.
Oh, do you have to be going just yet? Stick around, maybe violate the prime directive and save our assess.
Well, the snow's not coming down as thickly as it was, smaller flakes I think.
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We assure you it is always intentional.
What will George Bush do about this?
Tax Cuts?
Think they'll put the backup quarterback in for Favre?
As was mentioned above, the NFL will never let that happen again, Goddess forbid that team owners can't blackmail cities and cash in on threats to move...
Say it, or be complicit in their mental breakdown.
sack
Jump off a bridge.
save my assess
Our soldiers are heroes. And they're heroes because they won the war. Say it, or be complicit in their mental breakdown.
They haven't won the war, jack.
And they didn't win in Vietnam, either.
IIRC, the NFL won't permit public ownership of any other NFL teams.
But they will, of course, let us pay for $750 million stadiums. It's only fair, I guess.
The Pats will likely win by a similar score tonight.
The one who did the sack dance?
But I hate Favre, and his cheese hat.
Brilliant observation, Zap.
'brain' is a good term to revive
Star Trek: The Next Generation had an episode about the consequences of warmongering, in the form of returning vets that a society refused to deal with.
Yup. I always think of that one.
And they didn't win in Vietnam, either.
It always pisses us off to hear this crap about "winning militarily," especially when it comes from morons who don't know they difference between "storm" and inclement weather. Defeat is defeat.
looks like Faaaaaaaahhhh-VREY is going to the playoffs.
Bunch of draft dodging sons of privilege broke the military, broke the constitution, broke a whole bunch of laws, killed and maimed hundreds of thousands, and sold the economy to the Chinese and Saudis, enriching themselves and their robbing thieves' brotherhood in the bargain.
Impeachment, conviction, and removal from office should be just the beginning for these crooks.
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Goddess forbid that team owners can't blackmail cities and cash in on threats to move.
Right about now we might vote to move the Lions out of town.
trifecta, it's your turn (unless I'm once again missing something)
The Vikings' last owner, Red McCombs, that sleaze from San Antonio, threatened to move the team to LA (which the NFL or LA ain't exactly eager about) if we didn't buy him a purdy new stadium. The state called his bluff, and he sold the team to a real estate developer from NJ (the Wilfs) for a handsome profit.
Favre is from Mississippi.
Lurking Regular
This is true. However, his family is French, he's Catholic, and I'd bet a bunch of money he's got family in, and his family is from, Louisiana.
Hell, Gulfport is really just a New Orleans suburb. 
I notice the li'l broken trollie always is compelled to post flurries of attacks under various nyms any time the consequences of Bush's war on the young men forced to fight it are addressed. Sad, really.
It was. Your turn now V.
Sorry, was putting the toddler in the tub.
Favre is like Rocky - he really can't into a game unless he's spotted the other team 14 pts to make his comeback more interesting.
sidhra I sent you an invite.
Defeat is defeat.
C'mon...! There's always an exception to the rule of thumb.
I worked with a Vietnam veteran in the 70s. We became friends. His wife told me he would hide under the bed at night. They moved, and I don't know what happened to them.
oh Virginia i should have got into that soc. worker thing.
the other day i had some minor surgery. two days actually. the second day when they were stitching me up all i could think about was torture. not that i was being tortured, but you know the times.
i was thinking how awful it'd be if you didn't know... and how the drs. were fuck'n sadists. which is all an exaggeration since they were curing me. but change the context a wee bit and you have monsters. more damaging to the perpetrators than the victims, i'm sure. pretty scary from either end of the table.
tralfaz, thank you for the link to "19." i put it up at corrente, thank you. every single vet in my family except me (the only erstwhile off) fit that bill, four generations back and counting.
What time does the New England game kick off?
Sorry, was putting the toddler in the tub.
trifecta
nice euphemism
These *are* the playoffs
8pm est Ebenezer.
It kicks off in 30 minutes.
What time does the New England game kick off?
More importantly, will Heidi interrupt it?
notice the li'l broken trollie always is compelled to post flurries of attacks under various nyms any time the consequences of Bush's war on the young men forced to fight it are addressed. Sad, really.
JeffCO, weirdly intolerant
His outrage always stops at his enlisting.
...who was the right-wing nutsack who claimed he had "a little girl to raise" in late 2002 while the warmongering about Iraq was going on?
So Jonah, what would you do if you found a 9 year old kid setting booby traps like we did? And you knew someone who was killed by the same sort of trap.
Now there's a moral dilemma for your doughy pantload.
I had better go watch cartoons for awhile. Or play with puppies or something.
L8r
Right about now we might vote to move the Lions out of town
Heh,
Hey Sister!
I meant to say that his outrage always STOPS SHORT of his enlisting.
...who was the right-wing nutsack who claimed he had "a little girl to raise" in late 2002 while the warmongering about Iraq was going on?
Jonah.
any time the consequences of Bush's war on the young men forced to fight it are addressed. Sad, really.
JeffCO, weirdly intolerant
Guilt. For cheerleading the deaths of others to make their tiny penii hard.
The rule that they accuse the left of whatever it is they