Everyone in this joint is SITTING AROUND WANKING OFF, and you accuse me of FLIRTING?!?!?!?!
Harumph.
jac |
I was going for ironic.
Ali, endorphinized |
12.04.08 - 5:55 pm | #
Normally I enjoy a good pun thread as much as the next guy, but that last one.... phew!
Deacon Blues at work
Sometimes, I wonder what Atrios is thinking when he opens a comment thread . . . I assume it involves eye-rolling and face-palming.
jac |
12.04.08 - 5:55 pm | #
Hey, hey, the wanking is over.
This is the "sucks" thread.
Telegram Sam
Let me add: Parking Sucks During Snow Emergencies.
Daughter #1 just had her car towed.
GuyInMilwaukee |
Homepage |
12.04.08 - 5:55 pm | #
It's funny. We all use wanker like it was equivalent to damn. I used it a week or so with Mr. ql and he spit out a mouthful of very nice wine. He was shocked.
qlª - more lefty than you |
12.04.08 - 5:55 pm | #
Will Wank For Food!
.
Jeffraham Prestonian
Now that is just gross.
Ali, endorphinized |
12.04.08 - 5:55 pm | #
Put all your pretty multicolored condoms away...
Apprentice to Darth Holden |
12.04.08 - 5:57 pm | #
Wasn't gonna touch that one, but yeah, you could do that for food. Not very efficient, though. For that you'd need a stillsuit or something.
B1 Bummer |
Homepage |
12.04.08 - 5:57 pm | #
If this thread sucks much more, it will affect the rotation of the earth.
Comrade NSA |
12.04.08 - 5:57 pm | #
I need a smoke.
Ali, endorphinized |
12.04.08 - 5:58 pm | #
Will wank for food?
Ever been to the Chimp section of a zoo?
Comrade NSA |
12.04.08 - 5:58 pm | #
I used it a week or so with Mr. ql and he spit out a mouthful of very nice wine. He was shocked.
qlª
You must be a very good wanker.
jac |
12.04.08 - 5:58 pm | #
Sigh. Now I get a "Don't Fear the Wanker" earworm to take home.
B1 Bummer |
Homepage |
12.04.08 - 5:58 pm | #
From the link about parking spaces, cars, bikes, etc.:
If people can buy the spaces permanently (instead of just renting them), include a deed restriction prohibiting residents from buying parking spaces and then reselling them to commuters
Somehow, I think that is not a good idea in DC.
cosmic tumbler |
12.04.08 - 5:59 pm | #
Are you a good wanker or a bad wanker?
Comrade NSA |
12.04.08 - 5:59 pm | #
we don't need no steenken sucking lots
Kidnap |
Homepage |
12.04.08 - 5:59 pm | #
If this thread sucks much more, it will affect the rotation of the earth.
Comrade NSA
This thread is to sucky for my hat.
Telegram Sam |
12.04.08 - 5:59 pm | #
too sucky for my leg.
Comrade NSA |
12.04.08 - 5:59 pm | #
It's not about money for me. It's about time. That's what my damn car gets me.
blerb
Of course, when you're just trying to get from, say, home to work, you don't factor in all the time it takes to bring the car to the shop and such, or the time you have to work to pay for insurance, etc.
But still, for me, it's the driving around forever once I get there, looking for a parking space.
Moe Szyslak, eiditer |
Homepage |
12.04.08 - 5:59 pm | #
there's a sucker born every minute
Kidnap |
Homepage |
12.04.08 - 6:00 pm | #
BENTLEY!
In an acting troupe that included Robert De Niro, Dustin Hoffman, and
Al Pacino, the person who stood out more than any other ithe Theatre Company of Boston during the 1960s was Paul Benedict. The long-jawed
actor who found a touch of menace in the most comic parts and a touch of the absurd in the most serious roles, was found dead Monday at 70 of unknown causes on Martha's Vineyard. Mr. Benedict, who also acted locally with the American Repertory Theatre, would have his own share of success on television and in the movies, playing the English neighbor Harry Bentley on the CBS series "The Jeffersons" from 1975 to 1985. He also appeared in the Christopher Guest comedies "This Is Spinal Tap," "Waiting for Guffman," and "A Mighty Wind." His long face was, in part, a result of acromegaly, a pituitary disorder that was first diagnosed by an audience member, an endocrinologist, at one of his Theatre Company performances.
I think I'll go back to ripping up carpet. L8R, wankers.
Ali, endorphinized |
12.04.08 - 6:00 pm | #
Many of our transportation (and therefore energy problems) are tied directly to our land use decisions.
Sprawl leads to problems that are not easily addressed without a great deal of pain for a great many people. We're going to all pay the external costs of a lot of developers who developed based on assumptions that were not grounded in long term thinking.
But then, in the post war period, long term thinking was frowned upon, as it didn't help in the race to keep up with the Joneses over there.
Apprentice to Darth Holden |
12.04.08 - 6:00 pm | #
There are worse places to die than Martha's Vineyard.
ThatGuy |
12.04.08 - 6:01 pm | #
For every car you take off the road, 10 bicycles can take up the same space.
The puppies appear to have eaten Mr. Shoes, aka PuppyPapa.
GWPDA yclept Damaged Historian |
12.04.08 - 6:01 pm | #
I think I'll go back to ripping up carpet. L8R, wankers.
Ali, endorphinized |
Given the choice?
Comrade NSA |
12.04.08 - 6:01 pm | #
For every car you take off the road, 10 bicycles can take up the same space.
Only if they are unicycles.
cosmic tumbler |
12.04.08 - 6:02 pm | #
Comrade NSA: For every car you take off the road, 10 bicycles can take up the same space.
Just get over it already, and git you a scooter!
.
Jeffraham Prestonian |
Homepage |
12.04.08 - 6:03 pm | #
There are worse places to die than Martha's Vineyard.
ThatGuy
True, but it can be very depressing in winter.
cosmic tumbler |
12.04.08 - 6:03 pm | #
Of course, when you're just trying to get from, say, home to work, you don't factor in all the time it takes to bring the car to the shop and such, or the time you have to work to pay for insurance, etc.
Hey, I'm not proud of driving my car to work 25 miles each way every day, and I hope that soon I won't have to. But it takes me 38 minutes to get to work by car and more than 90 minutes by public transportation. That's 104 minutes every day, or almost 9 hours a week. An entire extra day of work every week if I don't drive. It woulod take a very big cost barrier to make me accept that blow to my lifestyle.
blerb |
12.04.08 - 6:04 pm | #
Anybody got room in their backyard for an ex-cute German polar bear?
ThatGuy |
12.04.08 - 6:04 pm | #
People don't realize: the slower the traffic flow, the more cars you can fit on a road.
Moe Szyslak, eiditer |
Homepage |
12.04.08 - 6:04 pm | #
Anybody got room in their backyard for an ex-cute German polar bear?
ThatGuy
Male or female?
cosmic tumbler |
12.04.08 - 6:05 pm | #
is your job to the west or southeast of home?
ErinPDX |
12.04.08 - 6:06 pm | #
The Madison bus system sucks. My 13 mi commute usually takes me 20 minutes. To take the bus I would need to transfer twice,it would take nearly an hour and a half and I still would have to walk a mile past the bus stop. My store is a mile from the largest mall in the city and there isnt bus service past it.
dmark |
Homepage |
12.04.08 - 6:06 pm | #
The thing is, if public transportation were optimized, the time penalty I would suffer for driving would be much smaller than it is now. If there were buses everywhere all the time and if BART trains came every 5 minutes, it wouldn't take nearly as long as it does now.
blerb |
12.04.08 - 6:06 pm | #
It woulod take a very big cost barrier to make me accept that blow to my lifestyle.
blerb
I like the way you're keeping to the "suck" theme of this thread.
Moe Szyslak, eiditer |
Homepage |
12.04.08 - 6:06 pm | #
An entire extra day of work every week if I don't drive. It woulod take a very big cost barrier to make me accept that blow to my lifestyle.
You could, you know, use that time to read, as I do.
Also I find that even though it takes longer, the fact that I don't have to deal with utter imbiciles with driver's licenses helps my stress level.
Apprentice to Darth Holden |
12.04.08 - 6:06 pm | #
blerb: An entire extra day of work every week if I don't drive. It woulod take a very big cost barrier to make me accept that blow to my lifestyle.
Rode commuter cycle for 5 years. Saddlebags and milk crate plus cargo pants could haul all groceries needed. Many cities could have bike lanes or safer areas for cyclists.
Cities like Raleigh NC area, with high populations of educated people wasting tremendous amounts of time driving to and from the Research Triangle or other cities nearby like Chapel Hill and Durham.
The Japanese figured out that having these people take trains gave them over and extra hour of work or work related activities, and productivity went up.
Comrade NSA |
12.04.08 - 6:07 pm | #
GWPDA -- Did Harry and Arthur bond? Is there a new pooch about?
.
Jeffraham Prestonian |
Homepage |
12.04.08 - 6:07 pm | #
My store is a mile from the largest mall in the city and there isnt bus service past it.
That's indeed a telling point, particularly when the weather is disagreeable.
So, there are plenty of factors that contribute to the decision.
Sometimes the sheer necessity of door to door transportation is an overwhelming factor.
Apprentice to Darth Holden |
12.04.08 - 6:08 pm | #
.blerb
is your job to the west or southeast of home?
ErinPDX
It's almost due west. I live in Walnut Creek, 2.5 miles from the BART station, and I work in the Mission Bay district of SF, 2 miles from the BART. Why do you ask?
blerb |
12.04.08 - 6:08 pm | #
id Harry and Arthur bond? Is there a new pooch about?
Certainly a motorcycle would use a lot less gas than a car would, and would get me there faster than a car most days, but the risk of death associated with that is unacceptevle to me.
blerb |
12.04.08 - 6:10 pm | #
Certainly a motorcycle would use a lot less gas than a car would, and would get me there faster than a car most days, but the risk of death associated with that is unacceptevle to me.
blerb
But, you also get special privileges with a motorcycle in CA.
cosmic tumbler |
12.04.08 - 6:11 pm | #
Arkansas child welfare officials seized six more children Wednesday from the Tony Alamo Christian Ministries as authorities in California visited another church compound, officials said.
With Wednesday's operation, state officials have seized 32 children associated with the jailed evangelist's ministries over stories of alleged beatings and sexual abuse. Alamo, 74, faces federal charges in Arkansas that he took children across state lines for sex.
This shit never ends.
Lumpenprolitariot |
Homepage |
12.04.08 - 6:11 pm | #
Hey, everyone can lead whatever kind of life they want, I really don't care. But deciding to live a million miles away from where you work and then complaining that the transit service sucks is a little too clever by half, imo. Yes, of course, there are barriers to affordable housing near jobs, etc. And yes, cities are planned horribly. But let's not lay all of that on "shitty transit."
Moe Szyslak, eiditer |
Homepage |
12.04.08 - 6:12 pm | #
Certainly a motorcycle would use a lot less gas than a car would, and would get me there faster than a car most days, but the risk of death associated with that is unacceptevle to me.
blerb
My BIL and his wife both bought Honda 650s. They tell me that they did it to save gas because the bikes get 54 MPG. I calmly replied, "Let's see. Two motorcycles means that you are both getting 54MPG or 27 MPG. (54/2) My Honda Accord gets 34 MPG and you only use one. . . ."
DWD-S☮S |
Homepage |
12.04.08 - 6:12 pm | #
Had to complete dinner negotiations, and went back and read the rest of the thread.
You are some sick individuals.
This makes me incredibly happy.
V for Virginia, Your Ad Here |
Homepage |
12.04.08 - 6:12 pm | #
Cities like Raleigh NC area, with high populations of educated people wasting tremendous amounts of time driving to and from the Research Triangle or other cities nearby like Chapel Hill and Durham.
I don't expect Chicago unique in the absurd circumstance of suburb-dwelling office workers commuting to the city and city-dwelling factory workers commuting to the suburbs.
Telegram Sam |
12.04.08 - 6:14 pm | #
DWD: My BIL and his wife both bought Honda 650s. They tell me that they did it to save gas because the bikes get 54 MPG. I calmly replied, "Let's see. Two motorcycles means that you are both getting 54MPG or 27 MPG. (54/2) My Honda Accord gets 34 MPG and you only use one. . . ."
Were they both taking the same car, every day?
.
Jeffraham Prestonian |
Homepage |
12.04.08 - 6:14 pm | #
What did I miss?
ms fahrenheit/stop the wars |
12.04.08 - 6:14 pm | #
I'm not "laying it on shitty transit," but:
1. I did not "choose" to work 25 miles from where I live. When I bought my house, I worked 1.2 miles away. I lost my job and had to take what I could get to earn money.
2. This is Detroit. We DO have shitty tranist. Totally on purpose.
ThinlyVeiled |
12.04.08 - 6:14 pm | #
Hey, everyone can lead whatever kind of life they want, I really don't care. But deciding to live a million miles away from where you work and then complaining that the transit service sucks is a little too clever by half, imo. Yes, of course, there are barriers to affordable housing near jobs, etc. And yes, cities are planned horribly. But let's not lay all of that on "shitty transit."
Moe Szyslak, eiditer
Moe takes a boat to work.
cosmic tumbler |
12.04.08 - 6:15 pm | #
ho, maing... that onion soup i stayed up past midnite making got all thick and yummy lookin' (and smellin') overnight. should go well with this anderson valley winter solstice ale.
too bad about what the onion skins did to the disposal (yeah, yeah, i know... live and learn).
May I have your e-mail again? (Sent you a message, and it done bounced - I must have transcribed it wrong...)
bill buckner |
12.04.08 - 6:15 pm | #
But let's not lay all of that on "shitty transit."
Moe Szyslak, eiditer
I'm not laying it all on shitty transit. I'm just saying that if transit were better, which it easily could be, I would not find the prospect of taking it so hateful. And as to deciding to live 25 miles from where I work, that wasn't something I did the same way you would decide what tie to wear. And in another 2 years I will almost certainly be working someplace else, so it's not like it's a permanent state of affairs.
blerb |
12.04.08 - 6:15 pm | #
This is Detroit. We DO have shitty tranist. Totally on purpose.
If you think LA is auto-centric, you should experience Detroid.
Apprentice to Darth Holden |
12.04.08 - 6:16 pm | #
bill buckner
veritas20001 at comcast dot net
DWD-S☮S |
Homepage |
12.04.08 - 6:16 pm | #
Or Detroit even.
Apprentice to Darth Holden |
12.04.08 - 6:16 pm | #
Arthur seems set in his ways. Not much to do about that.
mer |
12.04.08 - 6:16 pm | #
Arthur seems set in his ways.
Aren't we all.
dmark |
Homepage |
12.04.08 - 6:18 pm | #
We actually have semi-decent transit in the Bay Area. If I worked right in downtown SF like my wife does, my transit commute wouldn't be so bad if I drove to the BART staion at my end.
blerb |
12.04.08 - 6:18 pm | #
It can never be stated too frequently that land use patterns were changed via zoning in the mid 20th century to discourage mass transit and encourage individual autos.
High density was out in most of the country, and low density was in, and enforced by real estate developers who were interested in maximizing their profits and used zoning to make it a reality.
Apprentice to Darth Holden |
12.04.08 - 6:18 pm | #
Whatever that number is, you can buy a lot of subway and taxi rides. Many more than you're likely to.
There is no subway from Monroeville to Pittsburgh only bus rides through slums.
Gomez |
12.04.08 - 6:19 pm | #
Gas is $1.95 a gallon here.
Get back to me when its $4.00 a gallon again.
Gomez |
12.04.08 - 6:20 pm | #
Why do you ask?
blerb
I'm snoopy
(just wondered if you worked in Berkeley or all the way into SF. If it only takes 25 min, that is amazing, cuz it used to take me that long when I lived in Oak and you're way out in WC)
ErinPDX |
12.04.08 - 6:20 pm | #
Moe takes a boat to work.
cosmic tumble
I do, about half the time.
blerbI'm not laying it all on shitty transit. I'm just saying that if transit were better, which it easily could be...
How? I know lots of people who plan and manage transit systems. They've been begging for more funding for decades. But the public, through their representatives, doesn't want their taxes spent on transit. So the transit operators do the best they can, which isn't very good, but it's usually a hell of a lot better than what any of us could do, thrown into the same situation of competing needs and scarce resources.
It's not the transit systems that are shitty, it's the greater society that is shitty for not building itself responsibly and not adequately funding transit.
Moe Szyslak, eiditer |
Homepage |
12.04.08 - 6:20 pm | #
There is no subway from Monroeville to Pittsburgh only bus rides through slums.
You could use a catapult.
leibniz leibkins ♘☮ |
12.04.08 - 6:20 pm | #
Let's see: doctors appoint.
Bank to get tuition money for Littlest DWD (4600 a semester now)
Took Nikki - the giant poodle to her monthly grooming (30 minutes over ice-covered roads.)
Went to the other bank to get Mrs DWD's spending money for her Christmas trip to GR this weekend.
Warehouse store
Stopped by my school to show off my new svelte appearance. Visited with a bunch of teachers and the principal.
Back to the groomer's
Home to make dinner. Fresh potato salad, asparagus, corn, chicken, and mashed potatoes and gravy.
High density was out in most of the country, and low density was in, and enforced by real estate developers who were interested in maximizing their profits and used zoning to make it a reality.
Apprentice to Darth Holden
For years I lived with the misunderstanding that zoning boards existed to protect the best interests of the community.
cosmic tumbler |
12.04.08 - 6:21 pm | #
The bus system in Madison is designed to bring people to the downtown. Great for State and University workers. If you have to do any thing else, you need to go through transfer stations. All of which are in the middle of nowhere, un-sheltered, un-heated and usually full of gang banger wanna-bes.
dmark |
Homepage |
12.04.08 - 6:21 pm | #
stoat, I've thought about onion soup since last night. I even buy beef bones from the grocer and roast them with vegetables to make my own beef broth. I've used the Julia Child's recipe for years, but the one on that website sounded delicious.
mer |
12.04.08 - 6:21 pm | #
If it only takes 25 min, that is amazing,,
it took 25 min. from Berkeley. It takes 38 minutes from WC, if I drive verry early in the morning.
blerb |
12.04.08 - 6:22 pm | #
There is no subway from Monroeville to Pittsburgh only bus rides through slums.
Gomez
Oakland is not a slum!
cosmic tumbler |
12.04.08 - 6:22 pm | #
Its nice to ride the bus when you're young and not a muggers' target.
But I'm 50 now and would like not to be mugged riding to work on a bus.
At least I can run them over in a car.
Gomez |
12.04.08 - 6:22 pm | #
Dropby;
Great pic of osprey nest in FL taken Thanksgiving week by Mr. V4VA, if you haven't seen his photos, you really wanna go to his site, click on name; Paul Rebmann.
How? I know lots of people who plan and manage transit systems. They've been begging for more funding for decades. But the public, through their representatives, doesn't want their taxes spent on transit.
I would gladly pay more taxes to have better transit. I meant easily as in "without having to invent any new technologies".
blerb |
12.04.08 - 6:24 pm | #
For years I lived with the misunderstanding that zoning boards existed to protect the best interests of the community.
When most of the voices at the hearing are "members of the community" who have a vested interest in zoning in a particular way, you'll see results that have unintended consequences.
Zoning decisions can be made in wide open public meetings that are not in the best interest of the majority of the members of the community.
Apprentice to Darth Holden |
12.04.08 - 6:24 pm | #
Evening, you lovely, liberal Moonbats!
Hecate, Runnymeade Conspirator |
Homepage |
12.04.08 - 6:25 pm | #
. I meant easily as in "without having to invent any new technologies".
blerb
I agree with you, basically, but just have a different focus: like people are saying up above, we build cities in a very stupid fashion, and then we turn around and complain we can't get anywhere on the bus. It ain't the buses' fault.
Moe Szyslak, eiditer |
Homepage |
12.04.08 - 6:26 pm | #
Plus I've already commented a lot on how using better information technology could greatly enhance the efficiency of public transit if you used vehicles somewhere in size between an airport van and a conventionam metro bus.
blerb |
12.04.08 - 6:26 pm | #
Zoning decisions can be made in wide open public meetings that are not in the best interest of the majority of the members of the community.
Apprentice to Darth Holden
Nobody else goes to the meetings because they are boring as hell. Maybe if they had games or gave out door prizes...
cosmic tumbler |
12.04.08 - 6:26 pm | #
Onion soup sounds outstanding. I didn't get to eat food for 36 hours and now I'm fucking starving.
Mr V on the way home with various steamed sea creatures. And calamari.
(stoat -- back atcha!)
V for Virginia, Your Ad Here |
Homepage |
12.04.08 - 6:26 pm | #
I noticed gas here was $1.65/gal yesterday. Not sure if folks will go back to driving like they use to, other things, like food, heating, haven't gone down yet.
mer |
12.04.08 - 6:26 pm | #
I am a big fan of the Julia Child onion soup recipe. Tonight, I pulled some frozen split pea, potato, carrot, and ginger soup out of my freezer and nuked it. V good.
Hecate, Runnymeade Conspirator |
Homepage |
12.04.08 - 6:27 pm | #
Its nice to ride the bus when you're young and not a muggers' target.
But I'm 50 now and would like not to be mugged riding to work on a bus.
Gomez
I wonder when arrives the politician running on the "get tough on street crime to fight climate change" platform.
Telegram Sam |
12.04.08 - 6:27 pm | #
mer, i think it's a good recipe,although it isn't really much of a labor-saver. you still have to deglaze a number of times, and all of that stuff. that doesn't sound like a major issue for someone who makes her own beef stock.
i have some awesome "estate" appenzeller to go on it... it was given to me. i could never bring myself to pay fourteen bucks for half a pound of cheese.
the thyme and the manzanilla sherry smell so good.
i do have an unfortunate ramekin deficiency in my household which i will need to address, however.
Hecate do you have that recipe handy?
V for Virginia, Your Ad Here |
Homepage |
12.04.08 - 6:28 pm | #
A general rule of thumb is that transit systems can't work at all unless you have seven housing units per acre. If they're going to be of real convenience, you need much higher densities than that.
Moe Szyslak, eiditer |
Homepage |
12.04.08 - 6:28 pm | #
The growth of government leads directly to the growth of public corruption.
devin |
12.04.08 - 6:28 pm | #
I am a big fan of the Julia Child onion soup recipe.
I made that about a month ago with some beef stock I had from another project. Still have a 3-person portion frozen.
blerb |
12.04.08 - 6:28 pm | #
Obama admin breaks w tradition; opens entire Mall to public for Inauguration.
Going to be a lot of people in my lovely town by the river.
Hecate, Runnymeade Conspirator |
Homepage |
12.04.08 - 6:28 pm | #
Hec I had a colonoscopy this morning.
It's funny that I had to pretend food didn't exist for that small amount of time and then I stayed hungry most of the day because I was in the Mode.
Suddenly I'm ravenous.
V for Virginia, Your Ad Here |
Homepage |
12.04.08 - 6:29 pm | #
The growth of government leads directly to the growth of public corruption.
Whereas the growth of corporations leads directly to the growth of public corruption.
Hecate, Runnymeade Conspirator |
Homepage |
12.04.08 - 6:29 pm | #
Obama admin breaks w tradition; opens entire Mall to public for Inauguration.
Going to be a lot of people in my lovely town by the river.
Hecate, Runnymeade Conspirator
And the bars may stay open all night along, which may not be the best idea.
cosmic tumbler |
12.04.08 - 6:29 pm | #
split pea, potato, carrot, and ginger soup
oh, that sounds good (runs through wine pairings, salivating).
Nobody else goes to the meetings because they are boring as hell. Maybe if they had games or gave out door prizes...
Yup, you've hit the nail on the proverbial head there.
I recall being dragged into some meeting at Yongsan Korea because I had the dubious distinction of being the "senior resident" in my three bedroom ranch house BOQ. It seems the guy in charge of the fund used to pay the housekeepers flew off to the PI with the money, and all the senior residents had to attend a meeting to determine what we were going to do about this. Every officer in the BOQ contributed x dollars a month to this fund that paid all the housekeepers.
To say this was all dry and boring is to understate by orders of magnitude, but SOMETHING had to be done to take care of the housekeepers who were not, technically, US government employees but employees of this housekeeper fund that was created by a fee to every resident of the housing, and had to be administered by someone, who had to have a mandate from those who were assessed the fee.
Also, it's easy to order people around in the Army, naturally...
Apprentice to Darth Holden |
12.04.08 - 6:30 pm | #
Did they say they loved you first?
blerb |
12.04.08 - 6:31 pm | #
Did you get to watch on the tv?
cosmic tumbler
I have in the past, but this time I was OUT
V for Virginia, Your Ad Here |
Homepage |
12.04.08 - 6:31 pm | #
The growth of government leads directly to the growth of public corruption.
The growth of government, and therefore public corruption, is directly tied to the growth of the population.
So what is your solution to this probem, then?
Apprentice to Darth Holden |
12.04.08 - 6:33 pm | #
I guess I've been to maybe a couple of thousand governmental meetings. City councils, school boards, planning commissions, recreation councils, park commissions, redevelopment agencies, community councils, you name it.
Moe Szyslak, eiditer |
Homepage |
12.04.08 - 6:34 pm | #
Did they say they loved you first?
blerb
Actually they made it pretty clear that the patient is more-or-less incidental to the money-making process.
V for Virginia, Your Ad Here |
Homepage |
12.04.08 - 6:34 pm | #
My store is a mile from the largest mall in the city and there isnt bus service past it.
The National Household Travel Survey on which I work (and pontificate endlessly,I know) has a number of questions about public transportation. One is "How many times in the last month have you used public transit such as buses, subways or commuter trains?" (not including taxis, which seems to baffle many people.)
If the answer is, as usual, "zero" there is what's called a probing question which goes "Is it available to you?" Many many people have a hard time answering this one. Somebody like me, where the closest bus line is two counties away, can easily say "no."
Other folks have to face the question of how they define "available." A bus stop two blocks from their house, er, they will usually say yes. More than five blocks, almost never. Or they get defensive and say "Well if I got in may car and drove a couple of miles I could take but bus, yea. But since I have a car I don't need the bus."
We are trained to ask questions in very neutral tone of voice and they are phrased in such a way as to avoid hinting what the "right" answer is. So the hesitancy people express has to be coming from their own feelings that they really ought to use public transit. This may be progress of a sort.
Xan |
12.04.08 - 6:34 pm | #
I think Neil "Fat Hands" Cavuto has a thing for Fred.
If you know what I mean and I think you do.
Just Another Zero |
12.04.08 - 6:35 pm | #
I guess I've been to maybe a couple of thousand governmental meetings. City councils, school boards, planning commissions, recreation councils, park commissions, redevelopment agencies, community councils, you name it.
Moe Szyslak, eiditer
But, you get paid, no?
cosmic tumbler |
12.04.08 - 6:35 pm | #
.A general rule of thumb is that transit systems can't work at all unless you have seven housing units per acre. If they're going to be of real convenience, you need much higher densities than that.
Moe Szyslak, eiditer
I really wonder if that rule of thumb takes the possibility of a real-time route allocation using smaller vehicles into account. I really doubt it.
blerb |
12.04.08 - 6:35 pm | #
It's silly to exclude any human institutions from the possibility of corruption. There's certainly ample amounts of it to be observed in the private sector. And the interaction of private and public entities, not just the public entities in an imaginary vacuum, is at root of most corruption involving government.
ProfWombat |
12.04.08 - 6:35 pm | #
5 C yellow onions, thinly sliced (about 1-1/2 lb)
3 T butter 1 T olive oil some salt and some sugar
3 T flour 1/2 C vermouth salt,
1 loaf of French bread, cut into squares olive oil
1 clove garlic Shredded hard parmegan
Cook the onions slowly with the butter. Add the salt and sugar, and cook @40 minutes. Add flour and stir.
Bring the stock to a boil and add into the onions. Add vermouth and simmer
Bake the bread cubes on a baking sheet in a preheated 350º oven about 30 minutes, basting with olive oil after 15 minutes, and then turning them and basting the other side. Rub with garlic and spread one side of each piece with the grated cheese and brown under the broiler
Hecate, Runnymeade Conspirator |
Homepage |
12.04.08 - 6:37 pm | #
Xan -- I didn't know we were on the same project!
I think that's right - a *lot* of people seem to "admit" that it's available, a little sheepishly. I also have people say, "No, but I should."
V for Virginia, Your Ad Here |
Homepage |
12.04.08 - 6:37 pm | #
I filled up Big Red Ugly for $1.699/gallon, yerterdiddy.
Thanks for the food posts, I just remembered I have to prep dinner before Mrs. ct get home.
cosmic tumbler |
12.04.08 - 6:38 pm | #
The idea being that the 20-person bus only goes to the neighborhood that day if somebody from there needs a ride. It would be like IP for people. The main hitch is that for it to work well, everybody needs to have a Blackberry-type device.
blerb |
12.04.08 - 6:38 pm | #
I really wonder if that rule of thumb takes the possibility of a real-time route allocation using smaller vehicles into account. I really doubt it.
blerb
You mean cabs? So long as you want to pay for them, anything's possible.
Moe Szyslak, eiditer |
Homepage |
12.04.08 - 6:38 pm | #
Hecate -- that sounds wonderful, but I was interested in the split pea etc.
V for Virginia, Your Ad Here |
Homepage |
12.04.08 - 6:39 pm | #
Can someone please answer this for me?
Since we (the gov) have now given financial institutions in this country over $1tril in "loans", why can't the US automakers simply borrow the money they need from the freshly infused and cash-bloated banks?
Elias |
12.04.08 - 6:39 pm | #
Hec I had a colonoscopy this morning.
Next week for me. You can't eat afterwards????
Hecate, Runnymeade Conspirator |
Homepage |
12.04.08 - 6:39 pm | #
Xan -- Do you get many scooter/motorcycle commuters in the survey?
.
Jeffraham Prestonian |
Homepage |
12.04.08 - 6:39 pm | #
Taking the train to Boston next week to see my kid sworn into the Mass. Bar. She lives in Jamaica Plain and loves the fact that she can get anywhere via public transit. She was brought up in small town suburbia but -like charlie- she will never return (*sniff*).
lovepat |
12.04.08 - 6:40 pm | #
The problem is that a taxi tosses away the economies of scale that a bus carries around with it.
Higher cost per passenger mile, etc.
Apprentice to Darth Holden |
12.04.08 - 6:41 pm | #
Next week for me. You can't eat afterwards????
Hecate, Runnymeade Conspirator
Yes, I'm catching up
I found that the prep was not as heinous as it had been in the past. They seem to have refined it.
And the actual procedure, as you've doubtless heard a thousand times, is really nothing.
V for Virginia, Your Ad Here |
Homepage |
12.04.08 - 6:41 pm | #
The idea being that the 20-person bus only goes to the neighborhood that day if somebody from there needs a ride. It would be like IP for people. The main hitch is that for it to work well, everybody needs to have a Blackberry-type device.
blerb
So, I want to go to work, I know what time the bus comes, I go out and catch it. No problem.
But in your system, buddy two neighbourhoods over decides not to take the bus, so suddenly the bus comes ten minutes earlier. How do I plan for that? What time do I set my alarm for?
Moe Szyslak, eiditer |
Homepage |
12.04.08 - 6:41 pm | #
in the split pea
Oh, well that's really easy. Use some boxed veg broth. Saute chopped carrots, onions, celery, and garlic in olive oil. Add broth. Add split peas. Add potato. Cook. Add salt.
Hecate, Runnymeade Conspirator |
Homepage |
12.04.08 - 6:41 pm | #
why can't the US automakers simply borrow the money they need from the freshly infused and cash-bloated banks?
Elias
The banks would make them pay it back.
dmark |
Homepage |
12.04.08 - 6:41 pm | #
Oh, add the ginger when you add the carrots.
Hecate, Runnymeade Conspirator |
Homepage |
12.04.08 - 6:41 pm | #
That sounds like dinner tomorrow. I'll make a loaf of bread, too.
Thanks!
V for Virginia, Your Ad Here |
Homepage |
12.04.08 - 6:42 pm | #
You mean cabs? So long as you want to pay for them, anything's possible.
Moe Szyslak, eiditer
Bigger than cabs. I don't know where the sweet spot is, but I'm guessing the optimal vehicle capacity would be around 10-20. Everything depends on having realtime info on everybody's location and destination and a powerful network optimization algorithm.
blerb |
12.04.08 - 6:42 pm | #
why can't the US automakers simply borrow the money they need from the freshly infused and cash-bloated banks?
The banksters have already blown all that cash on hookers and blow.
Apprentice to Darth Holden |
12.04.08 - 6:43 pm | #
why can't the US automakers simply borrow the money they need from the freshly infused and cash-bloated banks?
Elias
The banks would make them pay it back.
dmark
I thought Congress was demanding the very same thing? The Big 3 would have to pay the gov back?
Oh well.
Elias |
12.04.08 - 6:43 pm | #
to see my kid sworn into the Mass. Bar. S
Congrats! I hope it's nice. MD does a v elaborate swearing in. DC, not so much. And getting moved into the SCOTUS bar is pretty simple but pretty impressive.
Hecate, Runnymeade Conspirator |
Homepage |
12.04.08 - 6:43 pm | #
Oh, add the ginger when you add the carrots.
Hecate, Runnymeade Conspirator
I like to add fresh ginger to anything I'm making at the very beginning. This way, it has more time to flavor the dish and to soften up a bit.
Just sayin...
Elias |
12.04.08 - 6:44 pm | #
NBC Nightly News is reporting one of the best places for a young man seeking employment during a depressed economy is the US Army.
danh |
12.04.08 - 6:45 pm | #
with thousands of new job losses every day and no end in sight to these very difficult economic times, I am thankful that Bill Clinton was able to pass welfare reform...
Syd B |
12.04.08 - 6:45 pm | #
Everything depends on having realtime info on everybody's location and destination and a powerful network optimization algorithm.
And there you have our problem.
In the military, these sorts of logistical puzzles are relatively easy to resolve, because you've got x many bodies here that need to go to there, and you can compel the bodies to all be at the same place at the same time to be transproted to the other place.
But when you've got individuals in a neighborhood who may or may not work in close proximity to one another on the other side of town, things become very complex very fast.
Apprentice to Darth Holden |
12.04.08 - 6:45 pm | #
Steamed sea creatures!
Steamed sea creatures!
L8r, batties!
V for Virginia, Your Ad Here |
Homepage |
12.04.08 - 6:45 pm | #
But in your system, buddy two neighbourhoods over decides not to take the bus, so suddenly the bus comes ten minutes earlier. How do I plan for that? What time do I set my alarm for?
Moe Szyslak, eiditer
You tell it when you want to go and where, as much in advance as possible. It then tells you where to meet it and when, as close to your target time as possible. It is flexible and so are you. Chances are, you still get to work faster than you would with a conventional bus system. Also, a lot of people would be using it all for the same destination, like the BART station, so the network optimization for that would be much simpler.
blerb |
12.04.08 - 6:46 pm | #
Oh, shut up, bitch!
From the Philadelphia City Paper today:
"Vocal Minority
Finally, an excellent article on the Obama media and the loss of journalistic professionalism [Slant, "Wither the Media?" Eric Trager, Nov. 27, 2008]. Only one error in the article: Obama did not win by a landslide. He won by 52 percent, meaning 48 percent of the country was not enthralled!
Irene Romanell
Via e-mail"
Because Bush had such big "victories" in those two elections he stole.
Fuck these rightards.
Terry C - Obamamaniac |
12.04.08 - 6:46 pm | #
NBC Nightly News is reporting one of the best places for a young man seeking employment during a depressed economy is the US Army.
Young Republicans, being cowardly snivelling wusses, will not find this the optimal job opportunity.
Apprentice to Darth Holden |
12.04.08 - 6:46 pm | #
NBC Nightly News is reporting one of the best places for a young man seeking employment during a depressed economy is the US Army.
danh
Yeah, I just heard the jerk on Fucks News say that peanut butter sales are up because it's a very cheap source of protein.
Soon we'll all be in the Army eating out peanut butter and jelly dinner...
Elias |
12.04.08 - 6:46 pm | #
You can eat after a colonoscopy.
A cigarette is also acceptable.
Just Another Zero |
12.04.08 - 6:46 pm | #
I'm so happy for her- she nailed it on the first try. She landed a job with a domstic violence nonprofit. Starts in January.
lovepat |
12.04.08 - 6:47 pm | #
Obama did not win by a landslide
Er, yes - he did.
Terry C - Obamamaniac |
12.04.08 - 6:47 pm | #
But when you've got individuals in a neighborhood who may or may not work in close proximity to one another on the other side of town, things become very complex very fast.
Apprentice to Darth Holden
I don't deny that it's a complex problem. But that's why we have powerful computers.
blerb |
12.04.08 - 6:48 pm | #
Yeah, I just heard the jerk on Fucks News say that peanut butter sales are up because it's a very cheap source of protein.
It's not that cheap, actually.
Faux News NEVER gets it right.
Terry C - Obamamaniac |
12.04.08 - 6:48 pm | #
The banksters have already blown all that cash on hookers and blow.
Apprentice to Darth Holden
Why didn't the government just give the hookers and blow directly to ordinary citizens?!?!
Telegram Sam |
12.04.08 - 6:49 pm | #
I don't deny that it's a complex problem. But that's why we have powerful computers.
I contend that programming the computers to find a solution may be beyond the ability of the programmers.
Apprentice to Darth Holden |
12.04.08 - 6:49 pm | #
We still have people blaming Clinton for Bush's fucking up the economy?
Terry C - Obamamaniac |
12.04.08 - 6:49 pm | #
It's not that cheap, actually.
Faux News NEVER gets it right.
Terry C - Obamamaniac
Especially the natural form. Then even more for organic. I get smuckers organic at marcs for like $3.99. Do you have Marc's where you live?
Elias |
12.04.08 - 6:50 pm | #
blerb-- colour me skeptical, but if you can figure it out, great. I'm not opposed to any innovations that increased transit use... it's just strikes me as so complicated that it'd lose me.
I know the bus comes across the street from my house on the half hour. If I miss it, I can walk down to the transit station two blocks away and catch a bus every five minutes. Alternatively, I can walk over to the ferry terminal and catch the boat at the 15s and 45s.
If I can't find my socks and am unexpectedly running five minutes late, I'm not fucking up an entire bus run; I just catch the next one.
Moe Szyslak, eiditer |
Homepage |
12.04.08 - 6:50 pm | #
NBC Nightly News is reporting one of the best places for a young man seeking employment during a depressed economy is the US Army.
danh
You won't see any of our trolls stampeding to the enlistment offices.
Terry C - Obamamaniac |
12.04.08 - 6:50 pm | #
stoat
They sell it at ur store?
Hecate, Runnymeade Conspirator |
Homepage |
12.04.08 - 6:50 pm | #
I would imagine it initially being implemented as a small-scale business that provides fast, convenient shuttle service to the downtown shopping district and th BART station for people who are willing to pay a bit more than a typical bus far for the convenience. If it can work at that scale, it could be incrementally expanded to larger coverage areas and more destinations.
blerb |
12.04.08 - 6:51 pm | #
Do you have Marc's where you live?
Elias
No. Not in my area.
Terry C - Obamamaniac |
12.04.08 - 6:51 pm | #
If I can't find my socks and am unexpectedly running five minutes late, I'm not fucking up an entire bus run; I just catch the next one.
Moe Szyslak, eiditer
In my seestem, next one cathes YOU!
blerb |
12.04.08 - 6:52 pm | #
TerryC: recall Tom Paxton maybe 40 years ago:
I got a letter from LBJ, he says that it's your lucky day,
It's time to put those khaki trousers on;
Though it may seem very clear, we've got no job to give you here,
So we're gonna send you off to Vietnam.
It was ever thus...
ProfWombat |
12.04.08 - 6:52 pm | #
No. Not in my area.
Terry C - Obamamaniac
It's a discount grocery store. Their organic selection is pretty good and cheaper than most other stores. But prices haven't gone down with gas prices.
For instance, they were selling Silk soymilk for about 2.75 1/2 gal before gas rose. Then it rose to about $3.10-15 during the highest gas, and it's STILL that expensive now with lower gas.
Is it similar for you? Is food still high?
Elias |
12.04.08 - 6:55 pm | #
The point being that the bus knows where you are through your blackberry device, just like you know where it is. If you are behind schedule to the point that the intended bus is rendered too sub-optimal by waiting for you, then you have to wait for the next one that can reach your location within the parameters of the network optimization.
blerb |
12.04.08 - 6:56 pm | #
Anyway, maybe it can't work, I don't know. But it seems to me that the nearly global availability of high-speed data networks and GPS positioning info must be able to improve the efficiency of mass transit somehow.
blerb |
12.04.08 - 6:58 pm | #
Trader Joe's organic peanut butter is either $2.69 or $2.99, IIRC.
stuckinlodi |
12.04.08 - 6:59 pm | #
(looks around, notices the room is empty, slinks off)
blerb |
12.04.08 - 6:59 pm | #
Whilst I was over to Christown this afternoon, buying Dog Chow and assorted other Christmas items, I saw that the Light Rail cars were being tested right across the street. And, on the other side of the street were some brand new apartment houses - pretty damned jazzy for 19th Avenue & Montebello. Actually, quite evocative of 3rd Avenue and Portland - and indicative of the ways that light rail is going to change the way the town works. (NB: I left 'work' at 5th Street & Van Buren this morning - in the old Phoenix Union High School repurposed for UA, and went thru the Roosevelt District. It is seriously dead kuhl! I want to live there! They have no private spas or pools, but the new townhouses, repurposed historic houses and apartments are just waaaaaaaaaay seriously nice. I WANT.)
GWPDA yclept Damaged Historian |
12.04.08 - 7:04 pm | #
While we're on the subject of public transit, Dayton's RTA sucks.
Buckeye .... |
12.04.08 - 7:09 pm | #
Long distance hi to all in the eastern portions of the US. Got a problem out here. Yah, I'm part of it. It's called "One horse, one rider." It's about independence. Going your own way in your own time. Women especially are safer in their own vehicles as long as ever, we take an extra look around. A pefect solution for suburbs, I live in a modest one, but one I like a lot, would be the electric golf carts. Somehow, it is some kind of abhorrent to consider a golf cart. Old age communities have them, and so should everyone else. No highway driving allowed - for that you can get a prius or time travel or what have you, but for most suburban daily commuting needs, a golf cart (can be enclosed for safety, and tricked out for the young and eclectic) and I can have my horse, and even take along a rider now n then. Why can't we has golf carts?
bridget |
12.04.08 - 7:19 pm | #
The author of Put Your Life on a Diet makes a great point; the cost of an auto is not just the monetary expense, but the time that must be spent earning that money, which could go to other things, or not be spent working also.
p.a. |
12.04.08 - 7:47 pm | #
Fuck every single person here who doesn't live in a city and feels they "need" a car to get along.
You all should get a highly virulent, hopefully frequently fatal disease.
phleabo |
12.04.08 - 10:48 pm | #
Take the test to see how walkable your neighborhood is.