"Study: Bone drug helps fight breast cancer"
Vicki, Who ♥ Al Gore |
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05.31.08 - 12:49 pm | #
YellowDogJen
Is today your birthday?
Hecate, Runnymeade Conspirator |
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05.31.08 - 12:49 pm | #
YellowDogJen,
Are you the Jen with the gorgeous baby?
Gromit |
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05.31.08 - 12:49 pm | #
It's dark outside.
Army Col. Peter Brownback III, a judge who was hearing a war crimes case at Guantanamo Bay and “publicly expressed frustration with military prosecutors’ refusal to give evidence to the defense,” has been dismissed. Brownback had threatened to suspend the proceedings against Omar Khadr “unless prosecutors handed over Khadr’s medical and interrogation records since his July 2002 capture in Afghanistan.” Pentagon prosecutors have also rushed to schedule high-profile detainee trials during the height of the presidential campaign season.
I was born in 1956 in Indianapolis at approx 7:30 pm.
*grins* Is that significant?
YellowDogJen |
05.31.08 - 12:51 pm | #
Are you the Jen with the gorgeous baby?
Yellow Dog Jen may be gorgeous, but I think you're thinking of my sister, who infrequently posts here as "The High Priestess of Selune."
Vicki, Who ♥ Al Gore |
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05.31.08 - 12:51 pm | #
When it got through to me that HRC lost I got over it.
I will be spending my little free time doing what I can for Obama because my mission is to make sure that McBombBomb only gets to the WH as a guest not the resident.
YMMV as always.
Now time to go watch the lightning and listen to the thunder.
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05.31.08 - 12:51 pm | #
Army Col. Peter Brownback III, a judge who was hearing a war crimes case at Guantanamo Bay and “publicly expressed frustration with military prosecutors’ refusal to give evidence to the defense,” has been dismissed.
One of those Magna Carta freaks who hates our freedom.
Sufferin' Blessed Succotash |
05.31.08 - 12:52 pm | #
The High Priestess of Selune
So many deities to keep track of
Gromit |
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05.31.08 - 12:52 pm | #
GWPDA has a gnome, but it's hiding (shhh!)
Gromit |
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05.31.08 - 12:54 pm | #
Hec, great R.D. Laing post, btw.
Just.So.Strange.
omission#31 |
05.31.08 - 12:54 pm | #
The 2012 Pennsylvania Democratic primary will be held on my roof deck
Does this mean the entire group will have to come inside?
camelot, Go Pens |
05.31.08 - 12:55 pm | #
My birthday was the 29th, Thursday.
Well happy late birthday!
Hecate, Runnymeade Conspirator |
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05.31.08 - 12:55 pm | #
There's thunder. So I hope we get some rain with it.
I hear some, way off in the distance.
Premonitory rumbling.
Sounds kewl.
Sufferin' Blessed Succotash |
05.31.08 - 12:55 pm | #
I sure wish it would rain some here. It's just been bizzarrely chilly with fog inland all the way to the WC in the mornings.
blerb |
05.31.08 - 12:55 pm | #
Thank you. It explains so much.
Hecate, Runnymeade Conspirator |
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05.31.08 - 12:55 pm | #
Thank you, Hecate! It was a good 'un.
Having that flag hanging on the front of my house freakin' rocks!
YellowDogJen |
05.31.08 - 12:56 pm | #
30,000 people wrote in "Obama" in MI - even though we were repeatedly told that write-in votes would not count.
People frustrate me...
Vicki, Who ♥ Al Gore |
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05.31.08 - 12:56 pm | #
Hey Jizz?
You a gov mole? Monitoring the chatter here? What are you, Main Core?
Elias |
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05.31.08 - 12:56 pm | #
SteveLG,
Sorry, but the garden needs it!
Hecate, Runnymeade Conspirator |
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05.31.08 - 12:56 pm | #
Morning. Anybody else look at that video of Friedman and, while watching him make an ass of himself, started realizing that Wolf Blitzer nevertheless makes him look like a genius?
'So what would it take for me to read a column by Tom Friedman saying we've lost in Iraq?'
A couple of questions that just read back Bush talking points about Al Qaeda.
No engagement with any specifics, no followup that indicated the slightest curiosity about the nuts and bolts of the Iraqi factions, y'know, the who/what/when/where/why involved in Friedman's tired 'the Iraqis need to get it together' horseshit.
No indication that there was ANYbody home on that side of the desk.
fourmorewars |
05.31.08 - 12:57 pm | #
I proposed "silent thunder" as a koan on my blog, but one of my readers is deaf and put me right on the issue.
Echidne |
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05.31.08 - 12:57 pm | #
You a gov mole? Monitoring the chatter here? What are you, Main Core?
Meat puppet is talking to itself.
billy b |
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05.31.08 - 12:57 pm | #
And making zero sense, as usual
Hecate, Runnymeade Conspirator |
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05.31.08 - 12:58 pm | #
GWPDA has a gnome, but it's hiding (shhh!).
I thought GWPDA was a gnome
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05.31.08 - 12:58 pm | #
And making zero sense, as usual
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Sort of like you after your 4th Stoli?
Elias |
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05.31.08 - 12:58 pm | #
My cat Sam is always trying to bring dead moles into the house. I've read somewhere that when cats do that they're trying to teach humans how to hunt.
Sufferin' Blessed Succotash |
05.31.08 - 12:59 pm | #
so applicable in soooo many arenas.
just thought you nailed it.
i also like the examples where the paradigm is being broken. like a logical outgrowth of the failures of the previous.
several bubbles coming to the surface now.
beautiful.
omission#31 |
05.31.08 - 12:59 pm | #
A hidden time bomb for McBush:
U.S. oil probe focusing on price manipulation: report
'The Journal quoted CFTC enforcement chief Gregory Mocek as saying the agency has about 60 manipulation investigations open in various commodity markets."
anyone else kinda hearing a cross of Danny DeVito and Harvey Fierstein when the MI chair speaks?
omission#31 |
05.31.08 - 1:01 pm | #
Sort of like you after your 4th Stoli?
I thought you were going to run on the interstate meat puppet.
billy b |
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05.31.08 - 1:02 pm | #
Danny only speaks "off the record, on the QT, and very hush-hush".
Sufferin' Blessed Succotash |
05.31.08 - 1:02 pm | #
Can we all just stop talking to or even about it now?
blerb |
05.31.08 - 1:02 pm | #
anyone else kinda hearing a cross of Danny DeVito and Harvey Fierstein when the MI chair speaks?
I see a rageoholic Hockey Dad who needs a couple more beers to activate.
Sen. Nelson reminds me of the grim visage of death....but that's just me.
Anon |
05.31.08 - 1:02 pm | #
I would think many deaf people can "hear" thunder by the somatosensory vibrations.
leibniz leibkins ♘☮ |
05.31.08 - 1:03 pm | #
I am really tired of these 'antiquities' insults. I think being a vital, important, intelligent contributor is more important at any age than being useless, insulting, and immature.
To those I may have insulted with saggy testicle jokes, sorry, I was trying to be funny. Saggy breasts and testicles are real. My concern with McCain in this area is not his age, but his lack of intelligence and PTSD.
camelot, Go Pens |
05.31.08 - 1:03 pm | #
A hidden time bomb for McBush:
At this rate Maverick won't have a campaign staff left by Labor Day.
Sufferin' Blessed Succotash |
05.31.08 - 1:03 pm | #
Sort of like you after your 4th Stoli?
Elias | Homepage | 05.31.08 - 12:58 pm | #
Except you ahve no excuse. You're just a blowhard idiot.
ronjazz |
05.31.08 - 1:04 pm | #
This nomination shit better get decided quick.
Just saying...
steve hüssein™ simels |
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05.31.08 - 1:04 pm | #
From below: It's not correct that the Obama campaign blocked a FL revote. The campaign expressed reservations, as reiterated Rep. Wexler this a.m., but agreed to abide by any decision the state party made.
Rep. Wasserman-Schulz, national co-chair of the Clinton campaign, actively opposed all revote proposals.
"I'm glad that the party has reached the same conclusion that was reached by the congressional delegation a week ago," said U.S. Rep. Debbie Wasserman Schultz, D-Florida.
A supporter of Clinton, Wasserman Schultz had staunchly opposed a re-vote.
She said she would consider a proposal that would allow the full delegation to weigh in at the convention, but she wants each delegate to have only half a vote.
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Sparkle Plenty |
05.31.08 - 1:04 pm | #
I would think many deaf people can "hear" thunder by the somatosensory vibrations.
That's what my commenter said. But it's a body feeling and not hearing. So then I tried to think of a koan for those who cannot hear at all.
Echidne |
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05.31.08 - 1:04 pm | #
sockpuppetry has no age requirement
omission#31 |
05.31.08 - 1:04 pm | #
McStain to Cindy: "Can't you go around barefoot or something? When you wear shoes, you make me look like some fucking runt."
Cindy: "Well, excuse me for living. Why don't you marry a goddamn pygmy."
McStain: "Are there any white ones who have millions of dollars and an airplane?"
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05.31.08 - 1:05 pm | #
then I tried to think of a koan for those who cannot hear at all.
Echidne | Homepage | 05.31.08 - 1:04 pm | #
Purple for the colorblind.
cahuenga |
05.31.08 - 1:06 pm | #
steve,
Re: your comment. You yourself have said repeatedly that you don't want HRC because it pissed you off that you had to spend the 90's defending him. Don't pretend it's all the war, because it's not.
Molly Ivors |
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05.31.08 - 1:06 pm | #
JPM has a good point that counting the MI FL now after it was understood before the primaries the results wouldn't count isn't exactly fair to those who on good faith didn't vote.
Bjorn, nonkosherjewforO |
05.31.08 - 1:07 pm | #
Sufferin, and here I thought dead critters were simply tokens of our cats' esteem.
Sallyh, Grandmere Poissonniere |
05.31.08 - 1:08 pm | #
Well, we just got back from the market with our green cloth bags filled with fresh asparagus and green onions and radishes and peppers and tomatoes(from the hothouses) We have flats of plants to plant and blue skies to salute and the sun to relish: this politicking is tiresome.
Sorry the healing rains have moved from the North Central into the East; not a nice thing for the weekend but here we needed the rain so badly the land gave pleasant sighs all night as it fell.
Enjoy the day and enjoy the time: I am off for a brief nap satisfied in the company of the friends I have just left at the market (must have been nearly every teacher or administrator I ever worked with there to give me a hug and thanks) and the prospect of a full day to come.
band name
Apostate, Burnt Tonuge |
05.31.08 - 1:10 pm | #
So then I tried to think of a koan for those who cannot hear at all.
maybe something about 'reading' -- not so much mind reading, but all the other ways that have nothing to do with facial twitches (only about 20% of non-verbal communication info conveyed this way) -- so where is the rest coming from? and furthermore, can it be uniformly measured, or is it something unique to individual human knowing? unique to a person's wiring and natural gifts. srsly, rich stuff there.
Puree some pork tenderloin with some portobello mushrooms, asiago cheese, some brandy, salt, pepper, maybe a little parsley, onion, garlic, and heavy cream.
Form into patties, grill and eat with some cheetos.
trifecta |
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05.31.08 - 1:11 pm | #
maybe something about 'reading' -- not so much mind reading, but all the other ways that have nothing to do with facial twitches (only about 20% of non-verbal communication info conveyed this way) -- so where is the rest coming from? and furthermore, can it be uniformly measured, or is it something unique to individual human knowing? unique to a person's wiring and natural gifts. srsly, rich stuff there.
go for it
There's certainly something in the information we get from what is NOT written. It's most fascinating to see how that affects people's interpretations.
Echidne |
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05.31.08 - 1:11 pm | #
There was just a brief, passionate thunderstorm here. And now the sun is coming out.
Apostate, Burnt Tonuge |
05.31.08 - 1:12 pm | #
My grandmother was completely deaf, and she could "hear" the her tenant's tv, trucks going by the house, doors slamming ... she became very sensitive to physical vibrations.
So the running toddler upstairs from me who is masquerading as an elephant would have driven her nuts.
Brøøklyn Girl, flîttérmaüs |
05.31.08 - 1:12 pm | #
I just saw V for Vendetta for the first time yesterday. Even with the mask on, Hugo Weaving was very expressive in the role just by the way he angled his head.
trifecta |
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05.31.08 - 1:12 pm | #
Clinton's campaign is calling for the results of the states' primaries to be honored and the delegates awarded based on the results. That approach would help her chip away at Obama's lead in pledged delegates because she handily won both states and would be awarded a greater share of the delegates.
Obama's campaign disagrees, saying he followed the rules, took his name off of the Michigan ballot and did not campaign in either state.
Anyone who thinks that this is a difficult decision for a reasonable person to make should start fucking themselves right now and keep at it until they die.
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05.31.08 - 1:13 pm | #
Hugo Weaving was very expressive in the role just by the way he angled his head.
trifecta | Homepage | 05.31.08 - 1:12 pm | #
he has acute head, that's for sure.
dirk gently, spiraling |
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05.31.08 - 1:13 pm | #
DWD - S☮S -- Sounds lovely. I remember many trips up to the Red Arrow Hwy to buy fresh produce grown along the lake.
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Sparkle Plenty |
05.31.08 - 1:13 pm | #
Levin asking for delegation to be seated in full with full voting rights. And, as he said, they all supported a revote, it was the state that resisted.
Vicki, Who ♥ Al Gore |
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05.31.08 - 1:13 pm | #
Except you have no excuse. You're just a blowhard idiot.
ronjazz
No kidding - what the hell is his PROBLEM?
Terry C , Overeducated Liberal |
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05.31.08 - 1:14 pm | #
Wow, Levin, if you were this passionate about, say, ending the war as you are about this state primary thing....well, nevermind.
Anon |
05.31.08 - 1:16 pm | #
That's what my commenter said. But it's a body feeling and not hearing. So then I tried to think of a koan for those who cannot hear at all.
Well, time to vacuum the upstairs and clean the litter box.
Be back soon.
Terry C , Overeducated Liberal |
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05.31.08 - 1:17 pm | #
steve,
Re: your comment. You yourself have said repeatedly that you don't want HRC because it pissed you off that you had to spend the 90's defending him. Don't pretend it's all the war, because it's not.
Molly Ivors | Homepage | 05.31.08 - 1:06 pm | #
If she had sewn up the nomination early -- which I believe she would have, had it not been for her mushiness on the war -- of course I would have supported her.
I'll still support her if she's the nominee. What more can I say?
steve hüssein™ simels |
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05.31.08 - 1:17 pm | #
Phantom Limb Thunder.
leibniz leibkins ♘☮ |
i saw them at the auditorium theater.
dirk gently, spiraling |
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05.31.08 - 1:17 pm | #
Anyone who thinks that this is a difficult decision for a reasonable person to make should start fucking themselves right now and keep at it until they die.
You are obviously the smartest and most beautiful person to ever enter any big tent.
Apostate, Burnt Tonuge |
05.31.08 - 1:17 pm | #
There's certainly something in the information we get from what is NOT written. It's most fascinating to see how that affects people's interpretations.
a friend of mine used to say "there was a little bit o zing on the email i got today", etc.
there's that, then there's also the F2F, too.
the way that trust/connections are made (or not) based on arriving at similar conclusions based on perceived identical pathways.
there's more and more evidence that we are not all wired the same. it seems to be a huge factor in person-environment fit and in understanding how established systems are or are not tapping the range of capabilities that exist (and thrive or not based on that).
It's a shame, either way, because at least one of them is a nice, reasonable guy.
steve hüssein™ simels | Homepage | 05.31.08 - 1:19 pm | #
That's what I think, too ...
Brøøklyn Girl, flîttérmaüs |
05.31.08 - 1:20 pm | #
Note to all bald guys:
The comb-over thing doesn't work.
Vicki, Who ♥ Al Gore |
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05.31.08 - 1:21 pm | #
yikes, New Hampshire sounds like a dick ...
Paranoid Schitzo |
05.31.08 - 1:21 pm | #
steve,
Fair enough. And in that sense (that it would have been over earlier) you may be right. But had things drawn out even with the war thing (and I think there's a fair chance they would have--Obama's an incredibly gifted politician), a lot of the same dealbreakers would have occurred anyway.
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05.31.08 - 1:21 pm | #
It's a shame, either way, because at least one of them is a nice, reasonable guy.
steve hüssein™ simels | Homepage | 05.31.08 - 1:19 pm | #
As Zoot Sims said of Stan Getz, "He's a nice bunch of guys."
ronjazz |
05.31.08 - 1:21 pm | #
The comb-over thing doesn't work.
Vicki, Who ♥ Al Gore
Levin makes a good case; it's ashame that we, the voters, had to put up with the fact the the MI Dem Party was attempting to make a point.
Vicki, Who ♥ Al Gore |
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05.31.08 - 1:22 pm | #
Note to all bald guys:
The comb-over thing doesn't work.
Vicki, Who ♥ Al Gore |
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Note to bald women:
Less pubic hairs in teeth!
Bugs |
05.31.08 - 1:22 pm | #
I do like the Bulgari accoutrement in the loo. That's a nice touch.
watertiger, rica suave | Homepage | 05.31.08 - 1:22 pm | #
So what's his name?
Bjorn, nonkosherjewforO |
05.31.08 - 1:23 pm | #
TMI.
Brøøklyn Girl, flîttérmaüs
i meant like, at the beach.
dirk gently, spiraling |
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05.31.08 - 1:23 pm | #
So, what are people reading on this last Saturday in May 2008?
Apostate, Burnt Tonuge |
05.31.08 - 1:23 pm | #
It's threatening rain in Washington, but I'm listening to the magisterial Schmidt-Isserstedt, VPO version of the Choral Symphony, so I don't care. The quartet was Joan Sutherland, Marilyn Horne, James King, and Martti Talvela.
Professor Wagstaff |
05.31.08 - 1:24 pm | #
So what's his name?
He told me to call him "Senor Caballero".
watertiger, rica suave |
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05.31.08 - 1:24 pm | #
I applaud Levin for eloquently stating his case.
Vicki, Who ♥ Al Gore |
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05.31.08 - 1:25 pm | #
james king - isn't he the guy who wrote the bible?
dirk gently, spiraling |
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05.31.08 - 1:25 pm | #
So, what are people reading on this last Saturday in May 2008?
Ack! Huggy Bear in the ad box again! Go fucking away you fossil!
Apprentice to Darth Holden |
05.31.08 - 1:25 pm | #
'm listening to the magisterial Schmidt-Isserstedt, VPO version of the Choral Symphony
I'm listening to Eric Bibb and paying bills
Gromit |
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05.31.08 - 1:25 pm | #
Apostate,
An biography of Alice Walker. A book called Late Victorian Holocausts. And gardening magazines.
Molly Ivors |
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05.31.08 - 1:25 pm | #
Who are the people responsible for the nutty Democratic presidential nominating system?
Bugs |
05.31.08 - 1:25 pm | #
Today's DNC R&B meeting = make sure a colored can never do this again
Sheets DemoKKKrat |
05.31.08 - 1:26 pm | #
Ack! Huggy Bear in the ad box again! Go fucking away you fossil!
He's scaring away the cute Arab women.
Anon |
05.31.08 - 1:26 pm | #
Apprentice,
Try refreshing--that sometimes changes the ad.
Molly Ivors |
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05.31.08 - 1:26 pm | #
steve,
Fair enough. And in that sense (that it would have been over earlier) you may be right. But had things drawn out even with the war thing (and I think there's a fair chance they would have--Obama's an incredibly gifted politician), a lot of the same dealbreakers would have occurred anyway.
Molly Ivors | Homepage | 05.31.08 - 1:21 pm | #
Look, I'll admit it -- I'm never going to love her. And I wish she had never run. And I remain convinced that if she wins, she's going to be a profound disappointent to everybody with an emotional stake in her candidacy.
But if she's the nominee, it's a desperate priority that she wins. There's too much at stake, obviously.
But I'm not sure I buy the "populism trumps the war" argument as a reason to vote for her.
steve hüssein™ simels |
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05.31.08 - 1:26 pm | #
Who are the people responsible for the nutty Democratic presidential nominating system?
I assume it's "nutty" because that terrible black/islamofascist/commie/liberal/notDLC approved guy is winning?
I'm with Atrios that it's wrong to change rules in the middle of the game -- we've been fighting this admin about that ever since they abused the Iraq war amendment.
I also agree that there is no single great principle involved in the R&B meeting for all involved. For instance, the Clinton campaign tried to unseat an entire county of TX delegates because, do to lack of a venue, they held their county convention a day late. So the principle of counting every vote can't be all that it's about.
But that doesn't mean that things as they are aren't fucked up and that some of these folks are trying to hash out solutions now that will help move toward more consistently democratice principles from now on.
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.
But I think there is
Sparkle Plenty |
05.31.08 - 1:28 pm | #
Reading? HMSO Operations in Persia, 1914-1919, FJ Moberly.
GWPDA, yclept Irate Historian |
05.31.08 - 1:28 pm | #
Who are the people responsible for the nutty Democratic presidential nominating system?
eddie murphy.
(i was going to ignore him, but darth's apprentice broke the ice)
dirk gently, spiraling |
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05.31.08 - 1:28 pm | #
But I'm not sure I buy the "populism trumps the war" argument as a reason to vote for her.
We'll talk again on Labor Day. The economy's not getting better, and I think for a lot of not-very-political people, populism will become very attractive. They know they're in trouble, they know we're in trouble, they know we need answers.
Of course that's not good for McCain.
Molly Ivors |
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05.31.08 - 1:28 pm | #
Today's DNC R&B meeting = make sure a colored can never do this again
Fuck off. That is DEFINITELY not what I'm hearing.
Vicki, Who ♥ Al Gore |
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05.31.08 - 1:29 pm | #
Shit, Just got a call from Dr Mrs Gromit, who is still sitting on the tarmac in a tiny commuter jet waiting to leave town. Dropped her off at 9:00 for what was supposed to be a 10:00 flight.
Gromit |
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05.31.08 - 1:29 pm | #
I also agree that there is no single great principle involved in the R&B meeting for all involved. For instance, the Clinton campaign tried to unseat an entire county of TX delegates because, do to lack of a venue, they held their county convention a day late. So the principle of counting every vote can't be all that it's about.
I'll bet that county went Obama. If it had gone Clinton, the Clintonites would insist that every vote be counted.
They are so fucking obvious.
Apprentice to Darth Holden |
05.31.08 - 1:29 pm | #
this is not cheering me up as much as i'd hoped.
think i'll go do something else for a while.
dirk gently, spiraling |
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05.31.08 - 1:30 pm | #
Gee, and here I am, wanting to count every vote because it's the right thing to do.
Shit, Just got a call from Dr Mrs Gromit, who is still sitting on the tarmac in a tiny commuter jet waiting to leave town. Dropped her off at 9:00 for what was supposed to be a 10:00 flight.
This is why you always stop by the duty-free to pick up some itsy bitsy liquor bottles, even if it's for a one-hour flight.
We sat on the plane for two hours coming home from Philly. Me and 400 hung over college students going back to Northwestern after spring break.
Just finished reading Fire Sale, by Sara Paretsky, last night. Good mystery series, set in Chicago.
Need to dig out a new book today.
Gromit |
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05.31.08 - 1:31 pm | #
We'll talk again on Labor Day.
Molly Ivors | Homepage | 05.31.08 - 1:28 pm | #
I meant for me in the primaries. Not the general public in the election...
But I take your point...
And now lunch beckons...
steve hüssein™ simels |
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05.31.08 - 1:32 pm | #
An biography of Alice Walker. A book called Late Victorian Holocausts. And gardening magazines.
I read that Mike Davis book, as well as his "City of Quartz." Grim, if informative.
I'm reading fiction now. Elizabeth Hardwick's "Sleepless Nights" and Lawrence Hill's "Someone Knows My Name."
Apostate, Burnt Tonuge |
05.31.08 - 1:33 pm | #
We'll talk again on Labor Day. The economy's not getting better, and I think for a lot of not-very-political people, populism will become very attractive. They know they're in trouble, they know we're in trouble, they know we need answers.
I continued to be stunned and amazed that no genuine populist has arisen to voice the anger and frustration expressed by something like 80% of the country.
Of course, I've never quite been able to see O'Falafel as a populist either.
JeffCO |
05.31.08 - 1:33 pm | #
Lunch: Marshmallow Fluff out of the jar, with a fork.
Gee, and here I am, wanting to count every vote because it's the right thing to do.
But as Levin just said, "What do you do with a flawed primary?"
I want every vote counted, too, but it's a conundrum because it was tragically flawed. I do think Levin and Brewer are trying to do the best they can do in this situation...
Vicki, Who ♥ Al Gore |
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05.31.08 - 1:34 pm | #
I consider O to be populist. Look at how he's been financed so far. $25 a pop.
Bjorn, nonkosherjewforO |
05.31.08 - 1:34 pm | #
stand-up comedy is hard work.
1Watt, Hermit |
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05.31.08 - 1:35 pm | #
I continued to be stunned and amazed that no genuine populist has arisen to voice the anger and frustration expressed by something like 80% of the country.
Of course, I've never quite been able to see O'Falafel as a populist either.
JeffCO | 05.31.08 - 1:33 pm | #
They tend get 'ignored". See JE.
Bjorn, nonkosherjewforO |
05.31.08 - 1:35 pm | #
And I remain convinced that if she wins, she's going to be a profound disappointent to everybody with an emotional stake in her candidacy.
I also have this concern about Obama, or, I should say, I have this concern about any Dem candidate. We are so desperate for a way out of the nightmare of Bush, we are tending to put people on a pedestal. The young voters for Obama also risk this.
People are human; politicians are human, and cleaning up the present mess is going to be a near impossible task. The media loves to set people up to knock them down, we should not aid them.
camelot, Go Pens |
05.31.08 - 1:36 pm | #
I consider O to be populist. Look at how he's been financed so far. $25 a pop.
closest....and never let the perfect be the enemy of the good.
omission#31 |
05.31.08 - 1:36 pm | #
I continued to be stunned and amazed that no genuine populist has arisen to voice the anger and frustration expressed by something like 80% of the country.
Lou Dobbs fancies himself the voice of the people. And the people, he thinks, need to hate the Mexicans.
I consider O to be populist. Look at how he's been financed so far. $25 a pop.
The Obama campaign has done a great job of raising money, but who knows what the kind of centralization he has set up will lead to? We've been with that with the DLC, and it stinks.
Besides which, I think of populism in terms of policy agendas more than in terms of fundraising.
Apostate, Burnt Tonuge |
05.31.08 - 1:38 pm | #
camelot -
I'd be elated if a ham sandwich was the president instead of Bootsy.
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05.31.08 - 1:38 pm | #
People are human; politicians are human, and cleaning up the present mess is going to be a near impossible task
right, yet one particular human has actually taught the Constitution and even if he is somewhat downplaying this aspect of his creds, imho, it's the precise anchor necessary for the upcoming cleanup effort.
omission#31 |
05.31.08 - 1:38 pm | #
Apostate,
No one really wants to talk about the danger of centralizing the financing through a personal campaign. (shrugs)
And I agree about populism re: policy. Real universal health care would be a good place to start.
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05.31.08 - 1:39 pm | #
Plenty of people, on both sides of this primary, are at the dance for the first time. It's not physical age, it's age as a political junkie, and they haven't figured out yet that inevitably you get your heart broken.
I've gotten to the point where I'm able to say to Obama, "Okay, man, go ahead and impress me. Prove my cynicism wrong. Don't fuck this up." But I think that's as far as I can get. I'm too tired from getting stomped on every time I fall in love.
I'll bet that county went Obama. If it had gone Clinton, the Clintonites would insist that every vote be counted.
They are so fucking obvious.
Each campaign is obviously arguing for its own best interest. Why this should be a source of outrage escapes me.
Apostate, Burnt Tonuge |
05.31.08 - 1:39 pm | #
Lou Dobbs fancies himself the voice of the people.
My father bought me his book for my birthday.(scares the hell out of me) I returned it for THE SHOCK DOCTRINE.
camelot, Go Pens |
05.31.08 - 1:39 pm | #
Lou Dobbs fancies himself the voice of the people. And the people, he thinks, need to hate the Mexicans.
ding! was just thinking the same about Falafel
omission#31 |
05.31.08 - 1:40 pm | #
I continued to be stunned and amazed that no genuine populist has arisen to voice the anger and frustration expressed by something like 80% of the country.
Edwards tried.
The irony is that populist candidates often don't appeal to the portion of the population that would benefit most from their policies.
IOW, they have a tendency to vote against their own best interests.
Brøøklyn Girl, flîttérmaüs |
05.31.08 - 1:40 pm | #
Apostate,
No one really wants to talk about the danger of centralizing the financing through a personal campaign. (shrugs)
Man, you are pretty hard to please.
Bjorn, nonkosherjewforO |
05.31.08 - 1:41 pm | #
I'd be elated if a ham sandwich was the president instead of Bootsy.
billy b | Homepage | 05.31.08 - 1:38 pm | #
well, it would be smarter ...
Brøøklyn Girl, flîttérmaüs |
05.31.08 - 1:41 pm | #
The irony is that populist candidates often don't appeal to the portion of the population that would benefit most from their policies.
IOW, they have a tendency to vote against their own best interests.
H. L. Mencken comes to mind...
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05.31.08 - 1:41 pm | #
The right has co-opted the populist style but substituted their own "substance." Your lot in life sucks, I'm the only one who can save you, NOW GO HATE SOME IMMIGRANTS!
People are starting to figure out it doesn't really help you to be pissed off without that pissed-ness (word? probably not) leading to action.
Each campaign is obviously arguing for its own best interest. Why this should be a source of outrage escapes me.
IMHO...it's about endgame. The Clinton campaign can't win. They, dragging this out in the face of already losing, can be interpreted, especially by the Obama camp, as damaging and frustrating and downright arrogant. There's nothing Team Clinton can do to win the nomination. To the Obama camp, this is about Clinton's ego.
Anon |
05.31.08 - 1:42 pm | #
An biography of Alice Walker.
Meridian is my all-time favorite book. every page an articulation of the contradictions, conflicts, struggles to release old notions and shape new consciousness that were the essential experiences of those times. Reading it was a literary and visceral experience at the same time. Gives me tingles whenever I think of it.
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Sparkle Plenty |
05.31.08 - 1:42 pm | #
Why is Harold Ickes on this panel?
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05.31.08 - 1:43 pm | #
I'd be elated if a ham sandwich was the president instead of Bootsy.
I would spend the summer canvassing and 'getting out the vote' for HAM Q. SAMMICH, if need be.
camelot, Go Pens |
05.31.08 - 1:44 pm | #
"it's raining sickle cell anemia and illegal aliens are to blame"-Lou Dobbs
jr |
05.31.08 - 1:44 pm | #
Real universal health care would be a good place to start.
I agree, and this ties in with the question about the ability of the next president to meet expectations. A lot will depend on the Congress and, probably, the courts. And we've already seen some Congressional lifers throwing water on the prospects for universal health care.
Apostate, Burnt Tonuge |
05.31.08 - 1:44 pm | #
Man, you are pretty hard to please.
Indeed. So should we all be.
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05.31.08 - 1:44 pm | #
Here comes a little rain.
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05.31.08 - 1:44 pm | #
Also, this could be seen as Clinton angling to make herself the mandatory choice for VP. If she doesn't win the nomination, she can take the results here and say "Make me VP or you'll lose in November."
Anon |
05.31.08 - 1:44 pm | #
All right, time to quit procrastinating writing query letters. Love you all muchly.
MEMO TO CRACKHEAD NEIGHBORS:
Your dog is yipping and crying, and has been doing so for the last hour, because it wants to come inside. Shut your pocket rat UP.
What will be the tone of the interview is Timmah Russert going to inflict Scott McClellan tomorrow?
Michael and Fredo out on the rowboat.
Molly Ivors |
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05.31.08 - 1:45 pm | #
Endorsing a mongrel was the most painful thing I ever did but they have that video so what am I suppose to do?
GW Bobby Byrd DemoKKKrat |
05.31.08 - 1:45 pm | #
Levin to Ickes: "You're calling for a fair reflection of a flawed primary."
Vicki, Who ♥ Al Gore |
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05.31.08 - 1:45 pm | #
Levin to Ickes: "You're calling for a fair reflection of a flawed primary."
To many voters who ignore the media and the blawgs, this is about voting for the candidate you want to vote for.
Even so, not many primaries left.
Apostate, Burnt Tonuge |
05.31.08 - 1:46 pm | #
People are starting to figure out it doesn't really help you to be pissed off without that pissed-ness (word? probably not) leading to action.
true and sometimes the best thing to happen when two legitimate causes are at odds is to improvise.
adapt and improvise and be satisfied with good enough. it's tough sometimes, but it beat the heck out of split object relations
omission#31 |
05.31.08 - 1:47 pm | #
Thunderstorm this morning. More then 5 1/5 inchs of rain last week, I've had enough.
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05.31.08 - 1:47 pm | #
Each campaign is obviously arguing for its own best interest. Why this should be a source of outrage escapes me.
I don't think it's as simple as that. Some of the witnesses are also arguing for the interests of their states as much as, if not more than, their candidates.
Levin just nailed, I mean nailed Ickes. "You calling for 'a fair reflection' of a flawed primary." Strictly reflecting the results of a primary where one candidate wasn't on the ballot and voters would told their votes wouldn't count can't be "fair".
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Sparkle Plenty |
05.31.08 - 1:47 pm | #
Levin's the best, by far, today. His argument is concise, realistic, and honest.
Vicki, Who ♥ Al Gore |
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05.31.08 - 1:48 pm | #
The irony is that populist candidates often don't appeal to the portion of the population that would benefit most from their policies.
Look, I live in a trailer park in Bumpfuck, Alabama, and I am going to win a lottery ticket. I resent Jews, people with college degrees, negroes, catholics, people against the war, democrats, white trash, and any illegal alien with a dark skin.
But I am not all negative. I support American wars, Thomas Kinkade, American Idol, my mega church, and being able to marry my cousin.
leibniz leibkins ♘☮ |
05.31.08 - 1:48 pm | #
Wow, Levin is just embarrassing Ickes up there.
Anon |
05.31.08 - 1:48 pm | #
What will be the tone of the interview is Timmah Russert going to inflict Scott McClellan tomorrow?
..while protecting/defending David.
I truly dislike MTP and do not watch, I don't know what to do about tomorrow. (CoT maybe?)
camelot, Go Pens |
05.31.08 - 1:48 pm | #
Clinton angling to make herself the mandatory choice for VP. If she doesn't win the nomination, she can take the results here and say "Make me VP or you'll lose in November."
If she were that powerful, she'd have robustly defeated Obama in the silly season.
Apostate, Burnt Tonuge |
05.31.08 - 1:49 pm | #
Levin, btw, is a Hillary supporter.
Vicki, Who ♥ Al Gore |
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05.31.08 - 1:50 pm | #
They should change the name of Russert's program to Meet the Fat-Faced Fuck.
Richard |
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05.31.08 - 1:50 pm | #
ooh, Bonoirs! I love that old lefty.
Vicki, Who ♥ Al Gore |
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05.31.08 - 1:50 pm | #
I would like to say to Bonior, "Why did you let him leave the race?"
camelot, Go Pens |
05.31.08 - 1:51 pm | #
Obama just now "If the pant suite don't fit, the bitch must submit to this primary".
atrios |
05.31.08 - 1:51 pm | #
Edwards certainly was closer than any other viable option, but mostly in his messaging. IMO the way you get around the media blackout and reach the people who otherwise vote against their own interests is by having a bit of Face In The Crowd emotional appeal that reaches out and grabs people and forces them to notice the people they keep voting for have fucked them but good. Not the gays, the women, not the messicans, not the frogs, not the a-rabs - the good ol' boys in their town councils and state legislatures and the ones they send off to washington.
Anger *is* an energy, but the GOP convinces people to direct it toward others equally disadvantaged or worse off, and the Dems seemingly want to pretend it doesn't exist. Where's Robespierre when you need him?
JeffCO |
05.31.08 - 1:51 pm | #
They should change the name of Russert's program to Meet the Fat-Faced Fuck
and no, nevada in no way represents me
don't even have fuckin rain down there
ErinPDX |
05.31.08 - 1:52 pm | #
The irony is that populist candidates often don't appeal to the portion of the population that would benefit most from their policies.
I've never understood why people are amazed that voters will support policies/candidates not in their economic self-interest. Look at we liberals who vote for policies that are contrary, oft-times, to our own "self interest" in terms of increased taxes and whatnot.
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05.31.08 - 1:52 pm | #
Just got through the mail pile.
Visa wants me to borrow money
Amex wants me to borrow money
Contrywide wants me to refinance
Mercedes wants me to buy an SL 550
Sorry, guys. Only thing I'm buying today is a new keyboard and some insect-killing soap spray.
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05.31.08 - 1:52 pm | #
Obama just now "If the pant suite don't fit, the bitch must submit to this primary".
WTF? Is that really Atrios?
Vicki, Who ♥ Al Gore |
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05.31.08 - 1:52 pm | #
I've never understood why people are amazed that voters will support policies/candidates not in their economic self-interest. Look at we liberals who vote for policies that are contrary, oft-times, to our own "self interest" in terms of increased taxes and whatnot.
Propaganda Jones is right!
Apostate, Burnt Tonuge |
05.31.08 - 1:53 pm | #
Hawaii should hold the first primary because the weather's nice and everybody gets leis on the runway.
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05.31.08 - 1:53 pm | #
Only thing I'm buying today is a new keyboard and some insect-killing soap spray.
All the liberals I know don't kill insects.
NTodd, Pink Poseur |
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05.31.08 - 1:54 pm | #
WTF? Is that really Atrios?
Dad can spell
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