rupert needs better lawyers -- is he hiring from regent:
Genius promoters for Fantastic Four: Rise of the Silver Surfer thought it was a great idea to incorporate the Silver Surfer onto some 40,000 U.S. quarters - one prob - they didn't inform the U.S Mint.
Fox first announced the unprecedented marketing move last week and unveiled the limited-edition coins to the press.
While the front of the quarters, and George Washington's visage, remained unaltered, the reverse featured a full-color image of the Silver Surfer character, with the URL for the film's Website.
The coins, which were distributed 800 per state prior to the Memorial Day weekend, were meant to encourage fans who found the quarters to log on to the site and enter to win prizes, including a trip for four to the film's London premiere.
Unfortunately, the illegal tender's artwork, while creative, was carried out by the Franklin Mint without the cooperation, or even awareness, of the government, a point the U.S. Mint was quick to lambaste.
"The promotion is in no way approved, authorized, endorsed, or sponsored by the United States Mint, nor is it in any way associated or affiliated with the United States Mint," the government said in a statement. The feds said they didn't know about the promotion until contacted by the media.
While Fox has copped to launching the campaign without government approval, the studio maintains that it was unaware such sign-off was necessary.
linda |
05.31.07 - 10:30 am | #
Shorter John McCain and Bill O'Really: "Rahowa!"
Septic Tank |
05.31.07 - 10:30 am | #
Well, crap. Another club I'm not a member of.
jac |
05.31.07 - 10:32 am | #
Shorter John McCain and Bill O'Really: "Rahowa!"
That's about it, ain't it?
Zap Rowsdower |
05.31.07 - 10:32 am | #
Hmmm...
They have to do something about the price increases... the whole nonsense of Immigration being self-funding is height of stupidity.
And then pay for a system that could track exits. Almost every other country in the world has exit counters, but the US is too cheap to install such a system.
Tom - 大肚腩 |
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05.31.07 - 10:32 am | #
Maybe it was the same morans who were responsible for the Cartoon Network Lite-Brite
WalterNeff, prickly |
05.31.07 - 10:32 am | #
did anyone fetch the gang from downstairs?
I'll go look ...
Sinfonian, 600 days to go |
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05.31.07 - 10:33 am | #
Okay, except for the Deportees (cue Woody Guthrie sombody, wouldja?) all the rest of you need to go home! Now!
Most of you are white Europeans who've overstayed your visas, and you can stay. You aren't scary. It's the brown Catholic Mexicans who aren't really Christian anyway, who need to leave.
Oh, and the rest of you people from those countries that are Not-Mexico but might as well be, you need to leave, too.
Still waiting for the explanation of how this immigration bill will be enforced, and how the "Cap" will be both maintained, and confirmed.
Rmj, Pants Czar, Vox Threaduli |
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05.31.07 - 10:33 am | #
did anyone fetch the gang from downstairs?
I'll go look ...
Sinfonian
We don't need 'em - we have our own power structure here.
I say we put a cap on the number of people from below.
jac |
05.31.07 - 10:33 am | #
While Fox has copped to launching the campaign without government approval, the studio maintains IOKIYAR.
Two geniuses of their day conversing back and forth! It's like the Yalta conference, or the Algonquin roundtable.
Jay C., moisture-wicking |
05.31.07 - 10:34 am | #
After we break apart the White, Christian, Male Power structure, what's next? The He-man Woman Hater's Club?
Supreme Commander Thor |
05.31.07 - 10:34 am | #
Hmmm ... far be it from me to point out hypocrisy, but methinks O'Reilly and McCain might have been singing a different tune if, say, this were the 1840s and we were talking about Irish immigrants ...
Sinfonian, 600 days to go |
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05.31.07 - 10:34 am | #
The White Fright Party.
Nice.
They dream of an all-white America eating tainted beef.
.
Grand Moff Texan |
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05.31.07 - 10:34 am | #
Yeah, we gotta cap it all right. Question is which one do we cap first-McCain or O'Liely? What a couple of malignant sickoes.
Sue |
05.31.07 - 10:35 am | #
so we need addition farm workers, including by the way agriculture
Two geniuses of their day conversing back and forth! It's like the Yalta conference, or the Algonquin roundtable.
Jay C., moisture-wicking
I was thinking more along the lines of monkeys throwing feces.
Sinfonian, 600 days to go |
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05.31.07 - 10:35 am | #
So, we finally learn who "The Left" is, and it turns out to be McCain.
Avedon |
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05.31.07 - 10:35 am | #
While Fox has copped to launching the campaign without government approval, the studio maintains that it was unaware such sign-off was necessary.
linda
So, why isn't this counterfeiting? Or at least illegal in the criminal sense?
I mean, Time-Warner shut down Boston. Is this worse, or not bad at all?
Rmj, Pants Czar, Vox Threaduli |
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05.31.07 - 10:35 am | #
They dream of an all-white America eating tainted beef.
.
While ignoring the "illegals" who work the meatpacking plants, and the companies that let them hack their fingers off in icy conditions.
Jay C., moisture-wicking |
05.31.07 - 10:36 am | #
Hello moonbats
O'Loofa is a tosser
that is all
Moonbootica, Graduee |
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05.31.07 - 10:36 am | #
but methinks O'Reilly and McCain might have been singing a different tune if, say, this were the 1840s and we were talking about Irish immigrants ...
McCain: "The Chinks and the Niggers can stay, but the Irish gotta go! Wait a minute--"
O'Reilly: "Did I mention my father was very pro-British?"
Supreme Commander Thor |
05.31.07 - 10:36 am | #
GDP Growth*
pva |
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05.31.07 - 10:36 am | #
so we need addition farm workers, including by the way agriculture
Because the Wall Street farm worker labor market is saturated.
MP |
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05.31.07 - 10:37 am | #
Next on the O'Reilly Factor, racist bigoted misogynists and the wingnuts who love them.
Sinfonian, 600 days to go |
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05.31.07 - 10:37 am | #
Bah! I was exposed to 30 seconds of Tweety gushing over Hollywood Fred Thompson (and slipping in some Hillary bashing at the same time). What an utterly odious toady he is.
The Old Man From Scene 24 |
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05.31.07 - 10:37 am | #
Two geniuses of their day conversing back and forth! It's like the Yalta conference, or the Algonquin roundtable.
Or the kids table at Thanksgiving where the definitive answer of "Who's the poopy?" will be decided.
Zap Rowsdower |
05.31.07 - 10:37 am | #
am back home in Devizes now
Moonbootica, Graduee |
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05.31.07 - 10:37 am | #
uh.... correct me if i'm wrong but isnt it the big corporations who want to bring in all the lower salaried indians for engineering and computer jobs? on those H1B visas or whatever they are called?
empty chair |
05.31.07 - 10:37 am | #
it seems BILLO is unaware of the concept of democracy.
Euphronius, Usually Wrong |
05.31.07 - 10:37 am | #
You people don't understand. O'Reilly's people faced a special kind of discrimination, which they countered with a can-do attitude and a parochial school system. Surely this example is worthless when discussing non-English-speaking immigrants, who don't even speak English!
Jay C., moisture-wicking |
05.31.07 - 10:38 am | #
Growth in the first quarter 0.6%
pva
And that's just O'Reilly with his falafel!
[rimshot]
Sinfonian, 600 days to go |
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05.31.07 - 10:38 am | #
No U.S. senator has made more trips out to Iraq than Joe Lieberman. He’s a fixture out there. The regular junket has been a part of his campaign to be “Mr. Iraq” in the Senate. About a year ago, when I was working in Baghdad, I listened to a young captain vent about all the time and energy the Army was forced to expend on the regular visits of CODELs – Congressional delegations. “I guess our democratic process requires it. But I really wish these dopes would open their eyes and actually learn something, rather than use Iraq as a backdrop for speeches that fit in to some preconceived political strategy.” I later asked: who were you taking around? And the answer: Joe Lieberman.
Sounds like the real problem, in O'Reilly's mind, is all those pagan Negresses who keep fording the Rio Grande, gunning for Bill's balls.
lampwicke |
05.31.07 - 10:38 am | #
say Moon you'll need a few million mexicans?
mestizO |
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05.31.07 - 10:38 am | #
They want to break down the white, Christian, male power structure, which you're a part, and so am I, and they want to bring in millions of foreign nationals to basically break down the structure that we have.
Someone tell me where the bad part of that is.
I'm sick to fucking death of Falafel's white Christian males and would trade them one-for-one with anyone who sneaks across our borders with a work ethic, real family values and no sense of imperial entitlement.
poster #89+5a |
05.31.07 - 10:39 am | #
"Bad touch! She touched my power structure!"
War On War Off |
05.31.07 - 10:39 am | #
it seems BILLO is unaware of the concept of democracy.
Euphronius, Usually Wrong
He has learned from the example of Algeria: in order to save democracy, we will have to destroy it!
Rmj, Pants Czar, Vox Threaduli |
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05.31.07 - 10:39 am | #
They want to break down the white, Christian, male power structure,
DAMN those small, brown, Catholic men! They're going to swarm us!
GWPDA, Statutory Agent |
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05.31.07 - 10:39 am | #
I trust Keith Olbermann is aware of this latest atrocity?
Sinfonian, 600 days to go |
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05.31.07 - 10:39 am | #
Bill O is a freak.
Stephanie Miller played a clip of him this morning praising Oven Mitt's porn star looks and then slamming Edwards for spending $400 on a hair cut.
I bet Oven Mitt spends that much every week on grooming products.
HoneyBearKelly Gravastar |
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05.31.07 - 10:39 am | #
While Fox has copped to launching the campaign without government approval, the studio maintains that it was unaware such sign-off was necessary.
Wow. Just wow.
The Old Man From Scene 24 |
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05.31.07 - 10:39 am | #
Those People want to take away everything We've worked so hard to achieve. And their music doesn't make any sense to me. Booga booga!
Jay C., moisture-wicking |
05.31.07 - 10:39 am | #
Send us your illegals...We can use them to help us find those damn missing WMDs...
say Moon you'll need a few million mexicans?
mestizO | Homepage | 05.31.07 - 10:38 am | #
they would have to get a boat to sail here
Moonbootica, Graduee |
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05.31.07 - 10:40 am | #
McCain is just the cutest little pander bear, ain't he?
You can smell the desperation and flop sweat from here.
Gummo |
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05.31.07 - 10:40 am | #
They want to break down the white, Christian, male power structure
Bill just stole that line from Jefferson Davis.
MP |
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05.31.07 - 10:41 am | #
Our Al, C-Span1 right now. Speaking Tuesday, quite possibly at the Washington lecture the DailyKos diary instanced. The Assault on Reason.
GWPDA, Statutory Agent |
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05.31.07 - 10:41 am | #
talking about white Christian males - The leader of Scotland's Roman Catholics prompted a row today with a strong attack on pro-choice politicians.
In a sermon this afternoon, Cardinal Keith O'Brien is expected to say that Catholic politicians should not expect to receive Holy Communion or remain full members of the church if they support existing abortion law.
He will tell worshippers at St Mary's Cathedral in Edinburgh that people must boycott politicians who do not speak out against the "unspeakable crime".
As a white, Christian, male I have no fear of this lose of power.
Snow, Picking Nits |
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05.31.07 - 10:41 am | #
Reading McCain pander to O'Reilly, I'm glad to know he's such a maverick AND that he knows more about this subject than anybody in the room.
Rmj, Pants Czar, Vox Threaduli |
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05.31.07 - 10:41 am | #
In America today we've got a very strong economy and low unemployment, so we need addition farm workers, including by the way agriculture, but there may come a time where we have an economic downturn, and we don't need so many.
We can house them in handy camps, so that we can reduce the labor supply as needed!
Jay C., moisture-wicking |
05.31.07 - 10:41 am | #
And their music doesn't make any sense to me. Booga booga!
Who uses that many drums in one song?
Paul Simon and the Rain Man soundtrack ruined America.
Zap Rowsdower |
05.31.07 - 10:41 am | #
McCain is just the cutest little pander bear, ain't he?
You can smell the desperation and flop sweat from here.
Gummo
WeatherVain McCain, the self, er, re-made man.
Billy B |
05.31.07 - 10:42 am | #
Dammit! Discriminating against white male Christians again!
Holden Caulfield |
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05.31.07 - 10:42 am | #
they would have to get a boat to sail here
No, no. We have planes. You can even keep the planes. We'll build airships!
Snow, Picking Nits |
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05.31.07 - 10:42 am | #
so we need addition farm workers, including by the way agriculture,
Are there farmworkers who are not involved in agriculture?
Holden Caulfield |
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05.31.07 - 10:43 am | #
Who uses that many drums in one song?
"This 'Shakira' person is a danger to me and every loofah in the tri-state area!"
Jay C., moisture-wicking |
05.31.07 - 10:43 am | #
Good thing, by the way, O'Reilly is not a racist.
I couldn't stand it if he was a racist. Standing up for white male Christian power is NOT white supremacy, it's just...it's...help me out here, somebody.
Rmj, Pants Czar, Vox Threaduli |
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05.31.07 - 10:43 am | #
Bill O'Reilly: But do you understand what the New York Times wants, and the far-left want? They want to break down the white, Christian, male power structure
Lady fundies, you may have thought you were Jesus freaks, but you're not.
Lime Rickey |
05.31.07 - 10:43 am | #
We can house them in handy camps, so that we can reduce the labor supply as needed!
Jay C., moisture-wicking
We'll sell them the Katrina trailers, and use the money to pay for Ted Stevens' bridge.
MP |
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05.31.07 - 10:43 am | #
As a white, Christian, male I have no fear of this lose of power.
Well, I'm not Christian, nor do I have power. However, if I'm to be overthrow, is it too much to ask Shakira to do the overthrowing?
Supreme Commander Thor |
05.31.07 - 10:43 am | #
GTG reboot for IE(won't refresh).
Caps as a solution to immigration.
Yet we cannot use price caps or cap wage compensation to produce fair markets.
Go it, Bill O'Bigot.
Mr.Murder |
05.31.07 - 10:43 am | #
As a white, Christian, male I have no fear of this lose of power.
Snow, Picking Nits | Homepage | 05.31.07 - 10:41 am | #
As a white male (non-christian), I wish it would hurry the hell up already. I want a country with friendly people, good tequila, and good mexican food. In the words of GWB, "Bring em on".
Barbarism Begins at Home |
05.31.07 - 10:43 am | #
I want to come upon Bill O'Reilly, dressed in rags in the streets of NEw York, and look at him, and say:
"Here, let me help you."
And see if he's a human being or the pathetic mass of protoplasm that he is on Faux Nooze.
Seeing as how O'Reilly is from all evidence I've ever seen or heard an untter sociopath, I suspect he'll try to kill me as I try to help him.
Apprentice to Darth Holden |
05.31.07 - 10:44 am | #
so we need addition farm workers, including by the way agriculture
Can someone translate Son of Cain into English please? What else would farm workers be doing if not agriculture?
Snow, Picking Nits |
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05.31.07 - 10:44 am | #
Hell, if Fox can print their own money, I'm getting in on that action. Anybody got change for a $10,000 bill with a penguin on it?
Penguin |
05.31.07 - 10:44 am | #
"The one thing I have come to despise more than anything else in my 10 years is cynicism."
Tony, how cynical is it to destroy the civil rights of your countrymen, MF?? I heard this morning that the average Brit in london is photographed (video camera) 300 times a day.
Sue |
05.31.07 - 10:44 am | #
so we need addition farm workers, including by the way agriculture,
Are there farmworkers who are not involved in agriculture?
He's riffin' like little boots.
Billy B |
05.31.07 - 10:44 am | #
"Warner to put ad-supported
video archive online"
"Warner Music, the world's fourth-largest music group, is
putting its archive of music
video online and making it
available for free to fans."
Culture of Truth |
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05.31.07 - 10:44 am | #
Cardinal Keith O'Brien is wanker
Moonbootica, Graduee |
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05.31.07 - 10:44 am | #
I thought that AIPAC controlled the government. Damn
[tosses away Mossad Decoder Whistle]
rootless2, yeshiva-dropout |
05.31.07 - 10:44 am | #
The last thing the GOP wants is to get rid of illegal immigrants (sorry, unauthorized workers). They are one of the main weapon’s against organized labor. Although this truth will never be expressed in our oh so very professional MSM.
Euphronius, Usually Wrong |
05.31.07 - 10:45 am | #
Can someone translate Son of Cain into English please? What else would farm workers be doing if not agriculture?
Snow, Picking Nits
*is a
Moonbootica, Graduee |
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05.31.07 - 10:45 am | #
Are there farmworkers who are not involved in agriculture?
Lawn services fall into a grey area evidently.
poster #89+5a |
05.31.07 - 10:45 am | #
I couldn't stand it if he was a racist. Standing up for white male Christian power is NOT white supremacy, it's just...it's...help me out here, somebody.
He's a person that says a helluva lot of stuff that he doesn't even believe...solely for the all ighty ollar.
He's a fraud...a popular fraud.
Zap Rowsdower |
05.31.07 - 10:45 am | #
Cardinal Keith O'Brien is wanker
Moonbootica
I saw that fucker on the BBC World report last night. Nothing like getting the proles riled up about abortion.
Jay C., moisture-wicking |
05.31.07 - 10:45 am | #
"They felt comfortable that nobody would be held accountable, that no one would pay a price for rushing to judgement...."
Al Gore on the invasion of Iraq.
GWPDA, Statutory Agent |
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05.31.07 - 10:45 am | #
The 2 fundamental core beliefs behind the Repugs are simply white supremacy and militarism. Everything they espouse descends from these one way or another.
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Agent Orange |
05.31.07 - 10:45 am | #
O'Reilly has always been an asshole, but sometime in the last few years he started to look at himself as a righteous defender of truth and faith and took it to a whole new level. As Franken documented, his capacity for self-deception is limitless.
He probably isn't even aware of how stupid he sounds when he criticizes Edwards for being rich just before hopping in his luxury car to cruise back to his mansion.
What that guy really needs is a faceful of knuckles, and if i see him, he's going to have one. Some things are worth jail time.
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Fielding Mellish |
05.31.07 - 10:45 am | #
I want a country with friendly people, good tequila, and good mexican food.
That sounds like La Hacienda. It's right across the street.
Well, across the street and down a bit; but still an easy walk.
Snow, Picking Nits |
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05.31.07 - 10:45 am | #
smalfish, tinfoil hatted |
05.31.07 - 10:46 am | #
I have no problem with surveillance cameras in public places (with appropriate record retention policies)
Euphronius, Usually Wrong |
05.31.07 - 10:46 am | #
The Republican position on Immigration: Punish and deport millions of people who came here for work and a better life.
How Christian, how American!
plantsman, plant geek |
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05.31.07 - 10:46 am | #
I'll bet the Silver Surfer quarters aren't even good at the Tastee Freeze...
War On War Off |
05.31.07 - 10:46 am | #
"They felt comfortable that nobody would be held accountable, that no one would pay a price for rushing to judgement...."
Al Gore on the invasion of Iraq.
GWPDA, Statutory Agent
They were, IOW, good students of US history.
Rmj, Pants Czar, Vox Threaduli |
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05.31.07 - 10:46 am | #
Hell, if Fox can print their own money, I'm getting in on that action. Anybody got change for a $10,000 bill with a penguin on it?
Sure.
Did you want that in 7-dollar bills or 13s?
poster #89+5a |
05.31.07 - 10:47 am | #
Progress!
"The evidence does not suggest that the surge is actually working," said Alastair Campbell, the outgoing defense attache at the British Embassy in Baghdad May 20. According to Britain's Sunday Telegraph, Campbell also disclosed that U.S. commanders had decided that the criteria for "success" would be only a reduction in violence to the level prior to last year's bombing of the al-Askari Mosque in Samarra. That means 800 dead Iraqis a month - a figure that the Telegraph admits "few would regard as anything remotely approaching peace."
From Diane at Cabdrollery... from 30 May... I guess that's yesterday.
Tom - 大肚腩 |
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05.31.07 - 10:47 am | #
What that guy really needs is a faceful of knuckles, and if i see him, he's going to have one. Some things are worth jail time.
One could practice one's movie star moves on O'Wussly.
Billy B |
05.31.07 - 10:48 am | #
The 2 fundamental core beliefs behind the Repugs are simply white supremacy and militarism. Everything they espouse descends from these one way or another.
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Agent Orange | 05.31.07 - 10:45 am | #
Ding ding ding!!!
We have a winnah!
Though, I would add overwhelming greed to your list....
Barbarism Begins at Home |
05.31.07 - 10:48 am | #
According to Britain's Sunday Telegraph, Campbell also disclosed that U.S. commanders had decided that the criteria for "success" would be only a reduction in violence to the level prior to last year's bombing of the al-Askari Mosque in Samarra. That means 800 dead Iraqis a month - a figure that the Telegraph admits "few would regard as anything remotely approaching peace.
He's a person that says a helluva lot of stuff that he doesn't even believe...solely for the all ighty ollar.
He's a fraud...a popular fraud.
Zap Rowsdower
So if he'd said "Nigger," it would be okay, too?
I'm just not willing to let him off the hook quite that easily. This isn't even code. It's the language of white supremacists, pure and simple. Even in racist East Texas in the '60's, nobody talked like that publicly.
"Thousands of LiveJournal customers are rebelling against the company's recent decision to censor hundreds of sex-themed discussion groups, a broad swath that has led to the removal of literary critiques and fan-written fiction about Harry Potter.
LiveJournal, which is owned by San Francisco-based Six Apart, confirmed Wednesday that it deleted around 500 journals this week in hopes of better "protecting children." It said the deletion was prompted by activist groups, including one called Warriors for Innocence that claims to track sites promoting pedophilia, the sexual abuse of minors, and other illegal activities."
Culture of Truth |
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05.31.07 - 10:49 am | #
(with appropriate record retention policies)
Euphronius, Usually Wrong |
Big Time Dick says to give him all of the copies of records and please to destroy all of your own.
Tom - 大肚腩 |
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05.31.07 - 10:49 am | #
Can someone translate Son of Cain into English please? What else would farm workers be doing if not agriculture?
Um, rocket science? Particle physics?
Just about anything but the jobs Jenna and Notjenna have?
Apprentice to Darth Holden |
05.31.07 - 10:49 am | #
CCTV cameras just push the crime into another area.
areas which i dont go to.
I dont know. I guess im in the minority here on public surveillance.
Euphronius, Usually Wrong |
05.31.07 - 10:50 am | #
Mass deletion sparks LiveJournal revolt
"A small bunch of nutjobs are more important to us than our customers."
Gummo |
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05.31.07 - 10:50 am | #
including one called Warriors for Innocence that claims to track sites promoting pedophilia, the sexual abuse of minors, and other illegal activities
So they gonna work on the Republicans in the House next?
Supreme Commander Thor |
05.31.07 - 10:50 am | #
They want to break down the white, Christian, male power structure, which you're a part, and so am I ...
Speaking as a "white" male:
1. I know there's nothing in the Constitution about "my" power structure.
2. Whiny little white men embarrass me.
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Grand Moff Texan |
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05.31.07 - 10:52 am | #
Keep the Warriors For Innocence away from the purity ball.
Jay C., moisture-wicking |
05.31.07 - 10:52 am | #
Smirky-ass bitch.
He's the fucking Undead!
War On War Off |
05.31.07 - 10:52 am | #
So if he'd said "Nigger," it would be okay, too?
Did he use that word?
It's the language of white supremacists, pure and simple. Even in racist East Texas in the '60's, nobody talked like that publicly.
Yeah, it's rascist. But nuanced enough that Joe Bob likes it and still feels that, while agreeing with him, he's still not a rascist.
And folks still talk far worse than that. Everywhere.
Zap Rowsdower |
05.31.07 - 10:52 am | #
The local appraisal office says the value of my little crap shack has gone up 10.2%. Yet the local real estate board says sales of homes in that price range have fallen by double digits. Grrr...
John Gillnitz |
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05.31.07 - 10:52 am | #
Btw, 6 anti Brooksie letters published in NYTs today? Portents?
Euphronius, Usually Wrong |
05.31.07 - 10:52 am | #
nobody wants to be pictured behind Bush anymore.
Guess he lost that leadership mojo?
Maybe he needs to rub the head of a magic negro and bring his luck back.
He did that in the election cycle of '04 and it worked...
Mr.Murder |
05.31.07 - 10:52 am | #
To borrow from the best, the late and much lamented Molly Ivins, I imagine this transcript read better in the original German...
Is this what we're down to now? Fascism as a polite and respectable political alternative.
This is, in part, what Richard Dawkins and Sam Harris are talking about (excuse my borrowing Bill O'Lielly's catch phrase) when they discuss the pernitious aspect of religions. It is offensive, and should be especially so in America, to elevate any religion to the level of being the preferred religion of the 'power structure.' Besides that, the idea that the American Power Structure (Military-Industrial Complex, whatever name you give it) actually practises New Testament Christian behavior makes it even more absurd.
tellybelly |
05.31.07 - 10:52 am | #
Counter-terror police have recorded a 37% increase in "suspicious reconnaissance" of potential targets in the first four months of 2007.
Metropolitan Police commanders said the "undiminished" threat level justified the continued use of random stop-and-search powers.
But they accepted the reasons for almost 23,000 stops under anti-terror laws in London needed more explaining.
Campaigners say anti-terrorism stop and searches "criminalise" communities.
what the police need is more money and manpower, not more bloody laws.
the Police have plenty of laws to deal with terrorist suspects yet the government has to create more and more authoritarian laws
John Reid wants to bring back the Sus law without even consulting the judges
John Reid is a wanker
Moonbootica, Graduee |
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05.31.07 - 10:53 am | #
blue moon bitches.
mestizO |
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Joe and his buds just chillin on the patio down there!! Where's the goddam PONY!!
Dogeatdogi |
05.31.07 - 10:53 am | #
( I'm amazed at the beneficial effect consuming cinnamon is having on my diabetes by helping control my blood sugar. So much so, that I'm warring with myself about letting my experience guide other people. But cinnamon is hardly dangerous when taken in small amounts, so if you're considering trying it, I'd say do so - give your body a few weeks for results to appear, and see for yourself.)
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05.31.07 - 10:53 am | #
2. Whiny little white men embarrass me.
How? With comments such as this?
So whats going on in this forum of self hating white people? I'm sure there are a few token ethnics but nobody is fooled.
You shouldn't feel embarrassed by such stupidity.
Snow, Picking Nits |
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05.31.07 - 10:53 am | #
O'Reilly's ancestors are another bunch of subhumans that my WASP ancestors made the mistake of allowing into this country in the 19th Century.
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05.31.07 - 10:53 am | #
O'Reilly's ancestors are another bunch of subhumans that my WASP ancestors made the mistake of allowing into this country in the 19th Century.
"Build the railroads and die already!"
Jay C., moisture-wicking |
05.31.07 - 10:54 am | #
As long as the crime stays in the darkie neighborhoods, it's all good then?
It's kinda not like that, here.
What it really means is that the CCTV cameras are all over the High Street, so the crime is more likely to happen on a side street. Not a different neighborhood, just a different spot.
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05.31.07 - 10:54 am | #
O'Reilly's ancestors are another bunch of subhumans that my WASP ancestors made the mistake of allowing into this country in the 19th Century.
Apprentice to Darth Holden
And you thought Mel Brooks was kidding in Blazing Saddles.
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05.31.07 - 10:54 am | #
Joe and his buds just chillin on the patio down there!! Where's the goddam PONY!!
Dogeatdogi
Don't look at me.
Holden Caulfield |
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05.31.07 - 10:54 am | #
That last comment may not have been as clear as I might have hoped.
Snow, Picking Nits |
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05.31.07 - 10:54 am | #
Cardinal Keith O'Brien is wanker
I thought the Catholic Church was against wanking?
The Old Man From Scene 24 |
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05.31.07 - 10:55 am | #
I can't speak about their world, but seeing the pic of Lieberman chilling on Atrios' deck makes mine a little brighter.
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05.31.07 - 10:55 am | #
Oh lordy, lordy, Al's suggesting that there's something called 'the public interest' which should reasonably be addressed by government! This will never work....
GWPDA, Statutory Agent |
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05.31.07 - 10:55 am | #
Ah yes, the two faces of the modern Republican Party: racist xenophobia and ruthless corporate economics.
Abe Lincoln must be so proud.
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05.31.07 - 10:55 am | #
blue moon bitches.
mestizO |
It's quite beautiful tonight.
(we've been in a nice combo of thunderstorms and southerly airflow to scrub the air and keep the air pollution north of the border)
Tom - 大肚腩 |
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05.31.07 - 10:55 am | #
i guess i don't really trust my government as much as I used too.
I frankly wouldn't trust NuLab or the Tories with my well being these days.
Moonbootica, Graduee |
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05.31.07 - 10:55 am | #
McCain should do his homework before he opens his big mouth.
"very strong economy"? Yeah, right. GDP for the first quarter was revised to a meager 0.6% fron an already weak 1.7% previous estimate.
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05.31.07 - 10:55 am | #
This isn't what the SURGE was for:
U.S. military commanders are talking with Iraqi militants about cease-fires and other arrangements to try to stop the violence, the No. 2 American commander said Thursday.
Oh lordy, lordy, Al's suggesting that there's something called 'the public interest' which should reasonably be addressed by government! This will never work....
GWPDA, Statutory Agent
Gummo |
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05.31.07 - 10:56 am | #
"Is this what we're down to now? Fascism as a polite and respectable political alternative."
Yep! but getting not so polite now.
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05.31.07 - 10:56 am | #
"public interest, common good" - HOGWASH!!!
plantsman, plant geek |
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05.31.07 - 10:56 am | #
Betcha that vendor is dead by sunset.
Holden Caulfield |
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Oh teh Noez! They want to break down the white Christian male power structure! Those bastards!
LnGrrrR |
05.31.07 - 10:56 am | #
Well, Moon, that latest post is interesting. I was thinking along the lines of the surveilence being more used by local police to notice fights, traffic accidents, pick pockets, etc. . .
Euphronius, Usually Wrong |
05.31.07 - 10:56 am | #
So whats going on in this forum of self hating white people?
Is Mr. Pink still here? He's a self-hating pink person.
doncjesuis |
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05.31.07 - 10:57 am | #
Smirky-ass bitch.
Holden Caulfield
Maher was mentioning the other night how Little Boots will mangle the Ainglish language in one of his pressers, then smirk when he walks off the stage at the end like he nailed the damn thing.
He's truly gone around the bend.
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05.31.07 - 10:57 am | #
Oh lordy, lordy, Al's suggesting that there's something called 'the public interest' which should reasonably be addressed by government! This will never work....
The top 1% will decide what the "public interest" is, and the public be damned!
Apprentice to Darth Holden |
05.31.07 - 10:57 am | #
"very strong economy"? Yeah, right. GDP for the first quarter was revised to a meager 0.6% fron an already weak 1.7% previous estimate.
Devil's Advocate
For purposes of MSM shorthand, the economy is always strong and there's always "Progress" being made in Iraq. In both cases, since we're throwing money at the problems, they'll always improve by definition, no?
Jay C., moisture-wicking |
05.31.07 - 10:57 am | #
atta caught the slanties.
Holden Caulfield |
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Oh lordy, lordy, Al's suggesting that there's something called 'the public interest' which should reasonably be addressed by government! This will never work....
GWPDA, Statutory Agent
Obviously a commie islamofascist loving moonbat with a propeller beanie and big red clown feet.
Gummo |
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05.31.07 - 10:57 am | #
A Saudi detainee at Guantánamo Bay has been found dead in a suspected suicide, authorities at the US prison camp said today.
"The detainee was found unresponsive and not breathing in his cell by guards," the military said in a statement.
The statement described the death as "apparent suicide", but did not identify the prisoner or say exactly how he died. He was pronounced dead "after all lifesaving measures had been exhausted", it added.
What it really means is that the CCTV cameras are all over the High Street, so the crime is more likely to happen on a side street. Not a different neighborhood, just a different spot.
Avedon | Homepage | 05.31.07 - 10:54 am | #
I don't really see the benefit in that, either. What about the people who live on the side streets? Why is their security less important? Is it because the businesses tend to be on the High Street? As always, the corporation is more important than the individual.
Barbarism Begins at Home |
05.31.07 - 10:57 am | #
"Build the railroads and die already!"
Jay C., moisture-wicking |
Go read the late Iris Chang's The Chinese in America on this phenomenon and how it's lingered and lingered and lingered
Tom - 大肚腩 |
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05.31.07 - 10:57 am | #
See, we of British Isles descent have, in Canada, already gone through this with white people of non-British descent entering the power structure.
I can remember the whining from my childhood, but the country seems to have survived.
Finny, 665.43 |
05.31.07 - 10:58 am | #
Yay for Christian Honkeys! Go! Go!
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05.31.07 - 10:58 am | #
Holy Joe buys some shades.
"It's just like New York, sans bagels."
doncjesuis |
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05.31.07 - 10:58 am | #
blue moon bitches.
Actually, no.
A blue moon is when you have four full moons in a single season.
Holden Caulfield |
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05.31.07 - 10:58 am | #
A Saudi detainee at Guantánamo Bay has been found dead in a suspected suicide, authorities at the US prison camp said today.
Did we all just feel a smidgen free-er?
Jay C., moisture-wicking |
05.31.07 - 10:58 am | #
atta caught the slanties.
Somehow I suspect simels is behind this outbreak.
Snow, Picking Nits |
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05.31.07 - 10:58 am | #
U.S. military commanders are talking with Iraqi militants about cease-fires and other arrangements to try to stop the violence, the No. 2 American commander said Thursday.
What the fuck is there to talk about?
The US gets the fuck out, NOW.
That will be a first step in stopping the violence, because our very presence INSURES that there WILL be violence.
This is not fucking rocket science.
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05.31.07 - 10:59 am | #
Holy Joe buys some shades.
Betcha that vendor is dead by sunset.
Holden Caulfield
The guy definitely does not look happy.
cosmic tumbler, sellout |
05.31.07 - 10:59 am | #
The word "hunky" was much used, I remember. It meant an eastern european.
Finny, 665.43 |
05.31.07 - 10:59 am | #
A Saudi detainee at Guantánamo Bay has been found dead in a suspected suicide, authorities at the US prison camp said today.
Did we all just feel a smidgen free-er?
Jay C., moisture-wicking
No, but he might.
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05.31.07 - 10:59 am | #
A Saudi detainee at Guantánamo Bay has been found dead in a suspected suicide, authorities at the US prison camp said today.
Winning the "War On Terror"...one suicide at a time.
Maher was mentioning the other night how Little Boots will mangle the Ainglish language in one of his pressers, then smirk when he walks off the stage at the end like he nailed the damn thing.
He's smirking because he got away with it..... again. Put one over on Daddy by not doing his homework and suffering no consequnces.
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05.31.07 - 10:59 am | #
Holy Joe buys some shades.
'cause the future's so bright!
War On War Off |
05.31.07 - 10:59 am | #
It took no less than Jim DeMint, Republican Senator from South Carolina, to say what must be said. That American casualties in Iraq can be laid at the feet of the war wimps, predominantly and by and large Democrats, who have done nothing but complain and hate President Bush for 4 years already. It is on their hands and conscience.
jack |
05.31.07 - 10:59 am | #
"Well, Moon, that latest post is interesting. I was thinking along the lines of the surveilence being more used by local police to notice fights, traffic accidents, pick pockets, etc. . ."
It is to control the public psychologically and otherwise--called terror.
Sue |
05.31.07 - 11:00 am | #
Auggy would have a better chance of keeping his shitty job if he learned to speak English.
Professor Wagstaff |
05.31.07 - 11:00 am | #
As always, the corporation is more important than the individual.
Barbarism Begins at Home | 05.31.07 - 10:57 am | #
at the local level, though, the “corporation” is individuals. If I were police chief or mayor of a town, I would protect the businesses because they cerate jobs and tax revenue.
Euphronius, Usually Wrong |
05.31.07 - 11:00 am | #
2 full Moons in a single month is the accepted definition of blue moon - you can look it up.
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05.31.07 - 11:00 am | #
What about the people who live on the side streets? Why is their security less important? Is it because the businesses tend to be on the High Street? As always, the corporation is more important than the individual.
It's probably even dumber than that - some idiot probably thought they could look like they were "doing something about crime", and people went along with it without realizing that it would be the people who were innocently just minding their own business who would be losing their privacy.
But I'm sure that what's really behind it is all part of the same Big Brothery creepy stuff the authoritarians have pursued all along.
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05.31.07 - 11:01 am | #
It's quite beautiful tonight. Tom - ???
we had our first clear nite last night in a while. tonite it supposed to be gorgeous.
later blueBats.
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05.31.07 - 11:01 am | #
That American casualties in Iraq can be laid at the feet of the war wimps, predominantly and by and large Democrats, who have done nothing but complain and hate President Bush for 4 years already. It is on their hands and conscience.
Care to ellaborate on that lie, pal?
Zap Rowsdower |
05.31.07 - 11:01 am | #
I hate this country and everything it stands for, especially the troops.
jack |
05.31.07 - 11:01 am | #
Someone should ask Cheeks how those farm workers are going to pay that large fine on minimum wage. Also, how getting back home to fill out the forms then back across the boarder while you "wait your turn" isn't a boon for the coyotes that tend to leave groups of people to die in the back of trucks.
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05.31.07 - 11:01 am | #
Wasn't there once a Canadian law requiring that all holders of public office be named MacKenzie?
Professor Wagstaff |
05.31.07 - 11:02 am | #
Cameras did not make riding subway trains any safer in London...
Mr.Murder |
05.31.07 - 11:02 am | #
A blue moon is when you have four full moons in a single season.
2 full Moons in a single month is the accepted definition of blue moon - you can look it up.
Actually:
The term Blue Moon has at least four related meanings. One is a common metaphorical phrase for a rare event that really has little to do with the moon itself. Full moons are given names in folklore, and two definitions of blue moon are a name for a rare full moon that does not have a folk name. One modern blue moon definition is a result of a misinterpretation of the Maine Farmer's Almanac, where a second full moon occurs in a calendar month. The older definition of blue moon is for an extra full moon that occurs in a quarter of the year, which would normally have three full moons, but sometimes has four. Oddly, it is the third full moon in a season that has four which is counted as the "extra" full moon and named blue moon. According to certain folklore, it is said that when there is a blue moon, the moon has a face and talks to the items in its moonlight.
Supreme Commander Thor |
05.31.07 - 11:02 am | #
Oh teh Noez! They want to break down the white Christian male power structure! Those bastards!
LnGrrrR
We're in ur structure, steelin ur powerz - librul brown chix
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Fielding Mellish |
05.31.07 - 11:02 am | #
DAMN those small, brown, Catholic men! They're going to swarm us!
Reminds me of an exchange between Sam Seder and a guest who mentioned this fear of the "unwashed hordes" crossing the border.
"So what's the solution... showers, maybe?"
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05.31.07 - 11:02 am | #
But I'm sure that what's really behind it is all part of the same Big Brothery creepy stuff the authoritarians have pursued all along.
Avedon | Homepage | 05.31.07 - 11:01 am | #
or good intentioned people trying to make decisons about police coverage with a limited budget and manpower.
Euphronius, Usually Wrong |
05.31.07 - 11:02 am | #
Holy Joe buys some shades.
Betcha that vendor is dead by sunset.
Holden Caulfield
I'll bet he could've gotten a better deal on rugs.
Sinfonian, 600 days to go |
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05.31.07 - 11:02 am | #
No jack, it's not; it's on the hands and conscience of the fool that directed us their, and 70% of the American people know it. Try again with FACTS, next time.
plantsman, plant geek |
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05.31.07 - 11:02 am | #
Wasn't there once a Canadian law requiring that all holders of public office be named MacKenzie?
Professor Wagstaff
It was an addendum to the French loi which required all rulers be named Louis.
GWPDA, Statutory Agent |
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05.31.07 - 11:02 am | #
Yes, those eeeevil Democrats, giving Bush & Cheney everything they asked for for six years!
You can't get more treasonous than that!
Gummo |
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05.31.07 - 11:02 am | #
Democrats, who have done nothing but complain and hate President Bush for 4 years already
That's right, they were late starters - Patriots have been hating him for eight years.
Avedon |
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05.31.07 - 11:03 am | #
He's smirking because he got away with it..... again. Put one over on Daddy by not doing his homework and suffering no consequnces.
Lather, rinse, and repeat until 1/2009.
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05.31.07 - 11:03 am | #
Someone should ask Cheeks how those farm workers are going to pay that large fine on minimum wage. Also, how getting back home to fill out the forms then back across the boarder while you "wait your turn" isn't a boon for the coyotes that tend to leave groups of people to die in the back of trucks.
John Gillnitz | Homepage | 05.31.07 - 11:01 am | #
Illegal farm workers getting paid minimum wage? Hardly. Most agricultural industries are already exempted from minimum wage and child-labor laws. Illegals aren't even afforded the bare protections that remain for legal farm workers. Otherwise your point is apt, though.
Barbarism Begins at Home |
05.31.07 - 11:04 am | #
He's smirking because he got away with it..... again. Put one over on Daddy by not doing his homework and suffering no consequnces.
The Slacker President
Gummo |
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05.31.07 - 11:04 am | #
Teh fear of teh brown is almost as strong as teh fear of teh ghey with cretins like O'Reilly.
Apprentice to Darth Holden |
05.31.07 - 11:04 am | #
Forget TB, It's The Bird Flu Bitches!
"New device can give medical
researchers a jump on the avian
flu virus as new, potentially devastating, strains develop."
Culture of Truth |
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05.31.07 - 11:04 am | #
Democrats, who have done nothing but complain and hate President Bush for 4 years already
I've been hating the cocksucker longer than that. Call me fashionably early.
Supreme Commander Thor |
05.31.07 - 11:04 am | #
Moon, i think a big difference in our attitudes is that local police in the states is like 2 or 3 steps aways from federal law enforement.
Euphronius, Usually Wrong |
05.31.07 - 11:04 am | #
I didn't know the New York Times is bringing in foreigners! Alert the border patrol!
Blackacre |
05.31.07 - 11:04 am | #
"In America today we've got a very strong economy and low unemployment, so we need addition farm workers, including by the way agriculture, but there may come a time where we have an economic downturn, and we don't need so many."
Yeah, when the next downturn comes, Americans will stop eating so much.
With so many people starving, we won't need as much food and people to pick the food.
John, you're a friggin' GENIUS.
Larry |
05.31.07 - 11:04 am | #
"I would protect the businesses because they cerate jobs and tax revenue."
You would do it because the "Man" (business) told you to do it.
Sue |
05.31.07 - 11:05 am | #
I've been hating the cocksucker longer than that. Call me fashionably early.
Supreme Commander Thor
I can only admire our Texan Atriots who have hated him for far far longer.
Gummo |
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05.31.07 - 11:05 am | #
War wimps? Like Jack Murtha? Like John Kerry? Like Charlie Rangel? Are those the people to whom you refer as "war wimps," you lily-livered coward?
Jim DeMint can put his combat record against theirs any time he would like.
Snow, Picking Nits |
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05.31.07 - 11:05 am | #
As I note the URL of the linked piece--anyone else notice that the democrats.org site is actually, um, not sucky?
This shouldn't be noteworthy, save for how it was so very sucky before Dr. Dean took over.
hillbilly ragger |
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05.31.07 - 11:05 am | #
I HAS
BLU MOON
Culture of Truth |
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05.31.07 - 11:05 am | #
"I would protect the businesses because they cerate jobs and tax revenue."
You would do it because the "Man" (business) told you to do it.
Sue | 05.31.07 - 11:05 am | #
well, in this case, "the Man" is right.
Euphronius, Usually Wrong |
05.31.07 - 11:06 am | #
"At a press conference somebody finally stood up to Bush: a bird shit on him. Here's what is wrong with this man: he looked at it, and then wiped it off with his bare hand. And this is the guy who doubts that he descended from an ape."
---Bill Maher
Supreme Commander Thor |
05.31.07 - 11:07 am | #
One modern blue moon definition is a result of a misinterpretation of the Maine Farmer's Almanac, where a second full moon occurs in a calendar month. The older definition of blue moon is for an extra full moon that occurs in a quarter of the year, which would normally have three full moons, but sometimes has four. Oddly, it is the third full moon in a season that has four which is counted as the "extra" full moon and named blue moon.
Yepper.
The first definition (second full moon in a calender month) was invented by Sky and Telescope magazine in March 1946, apparently by a contributor who misinterpreted the Maine Farmer's Almanac. This definition was subsequently promulgated in other news media, and has become almost the "accepted" one, despite its modernity. In March 1999, Sky and Telescope magazine finally published a very belated correction/retraction.
Holden Caulfield |
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05.31.07 - 11:07 am | #
it seems BILLO is unaware of the concept of democracy.
Euphronius, Usually Wrong | 05.31.07 - 10:37 am | #
I respectfully disagree. BILLO thoroughly understands the concept of democracy.
He just doesn't like it.
mto3 |
05.31.07 - 11:07 am | #
Jim DeMint can put his combat record against theirs any time he would like.
I'd like to give Jim DeMint a combat record.
It won't be a very distinguished one, as it will consist of him taking a swing at me, me connecting with him, and him saying "no mas!"
Apprentice to Darth Holden |
05.31.07 - 11:07 am | #
Moon, i think a big difference in our attitudes is that local police in the states is like 2 or 3 steps aways from federal law enforement.
Euphronius, Usually Wrong | 05.31.07 - 11:04 am | #
yeah your probably right
Blair and his government have interfered in the police and with the judges.
and i think in revenge the judges stop sentencing people heh and the police staged a dawn raid on Lord Levy's house.
all these new laws NuLab have created are open to abuse, if an even more unscrupulous authoritarian government comes along.
they might have good intentions but its how they will be used in the future which worries me.
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05.31.07 - 11:07 am | #
Jim DeMint can put his combat record against theirs any time he would like.
Snow, Picking Nits
And Saxby Chambliss.
MP |
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05.31.07 - 11:08 am | #
And this is the guy who doubts that he descended from an ape.
I doubt it, too. I think he is one.
Avedon |
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05.31.07 - 11:08 am | #
True love = A woman who marries a man with incurable TB.
Lime Rickey |
05.31.07 - 11:08 am | #
"The fact that it's complicated and difficult is not evidence that it's not real - and it's been hollowing out our democracy." Al on the corruption of the body politic ....
GWPDA, Statutory Agent |
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05.31.07 - 11:08 am | #
It took no less than Jim DeMint, Republican Senator from South Carolina, to say what must be said. That American casualties in Iraq can be laid at the feet of the war wimps, predominantly and by and large Democrats, who have done nothing but complain and hate President Bush for 4 years already. It is on their hands and conscience.
jack
So, macho man, have you enlisted yet?
Brooklyn Girl, emboldened |
05.31.07 - 11:08 am | #
I think what mcCain means in that in an economic downturn we won't need migrant workers because Americans will need those shitty jobs.
So, something to look forward to, anyway.
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2 full Moons in a single month is the accepted definition of blue moon - you can look it up.
plantsman, plant geek
Nope. Sorry. See above.
Holden Caulfield |
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05.31.07 - 11:08 am | #
Standing ovation for Our Al.....
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GWPDA, Statutory Agent |
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05.31.07 - 11:09 am | #
Okay, jack, why don't you tell all us war wimps about your military credentials? Are they as impressive as George LXIII's? I have said often that, but for his service in the Alabama Air National Guard, we would all be speaking Vietnamese today.
Professor Wagstaff |
05.31.07 - 11:09 am | #
A blue moon is when you have four full moons in a single season.
Holden Caulfield
So it isn't a smurf baring its ass?
John Gillnitz |
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05.31.07 - 11:09 am | #
"well, in this case, "the Man" is right.
No corporation should have more rights than any common man. If you think that perhaps you should review your choice of party?
Sue |
05.31.07 - 11:09 am | #
George Will is a wanker.
Here's an excerpt from his latest fecal throw:
Today conservatives tend to favor freedom, and consequently are inclined to be somewhat sanguine about inequalities of outcomes. Liberals are more concerned with equality, understood, they insist, primarily as equality of opportunity, not of outcome.
Liberals tend, however, to infer unequal opportunities from the fact of unequal outcomes. Hence liberalism's goal of achieving greater equality of condition leads to a larger scope for interventionist government to circumscribe the market's role in allocating wealth and opportunity. Liberalism increasingly seeks to deliver equality in the form of equal dependence of more and more people for more and more things on government.
[...]
This reasoning is congruent with conservatism's argument that excessively benevolent government is not a benefactor, and that capitalism does not merely make people better off, it makes them better. Liberalism once argued that large corporate entities of industrial capitalism degraded individuals by breeding dependence, passivity and servility. Conservatism challenges liberalism's blindness about the comparable dangers from the biggest social entity, government.
[...] Conservatism embraces President Kennedy's exhortation to "Ask not what your country can do for you -- ask what you can do for your country," and adds: You serve your country by embracing a spacious and expanding sphere of life for which your country is not responsible.
[...] Conservatism is realism, about human nature and government's competence. Is conservatism politically realistic, meaning persuasive? That is the kind of question presidential campaigns answer.
I don't even know where to begin on this shit. Maybe with the utter gall of Will quoting JFK to support conservatism.
Sinfonian, 600 days to go |
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05.31.07 - 11:10 am | #
yeah, like fuck head o'reilly will get out on the farm and pick his own crops and milk the cows, etc.
fudge-ems |
05.31.07 - 11:10 am | #
O'Reilly's male power structure has been broken for a quite a while, although I hear he likes to whip it out now and again, for old time's sake.
coozledad |
05.31.07 - 11:11 am | #
Got it, Holden; went to Wiki.
plantsman, plant geek |
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05.31.07 - 11:11 am | #
WE WANT AL!!
WE WANT AL!!
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Wasn't there once a Canadian law requiring that all holders of public office be named MacKenzie?
Pretty much. Or Fanshawe Hyphen Throatwarbler.
So yeah, now it's like old news.
Finny, 665.43 |
05.31.07 - 11:11 am | #
I don't think I've ever put a long quote like that in a comment - if I've committed some breach of netiquette, I apologize - but I just couldn't believe the crap Will was spewing. I was going to put it in my own blog, but I don't know ... it's just so vomitous.
Anyway, I guess we should just consider the source.
Sinfonian, 600 days to go |
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05.31.07 - 11:12 am | #
Holden wins a yep/nope!
Jay C., moisture-wicking |
05.31.07 - 11:13 am | #
Today conservatives tend to favor authority, and consequently are unconcerned about inequalities of outcomes.
fixed a typo.
plantsman, plant geek |
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05.31.07 - 11:13 am | #
It took no less than Jim DeMint, Republican Senator from South Carolina, to say what must be said. That American casualties in Iraq can be laid at the feet of the war wimps, predominantly and by and large Democrats, who have done nothing but complain and hate President Bush for 4 years already. It is on their hands and conscience.
jack
hardly. look in the mirror dumbass. it's your blind, ignorant fealty to p.r. machine that has you cowering under your bed and hoping some daddy somewhere will protect you from the big, bad boogieman. BOO!
linda |
05.31.07 - 11:13 am | #
Tony Blair today defended his "thoroughly interventionist" foreign policy in a farewell speech in Africa.
In a passionate display of his commitment to Africa over the past decade, the prime minister urged the continent's leaders and the west to square up to the challenges ahead.
Speaking at the University of South Africa Business School in Midrand, near the capital Pretoria, Mr Blair said Africa was a subject "close to my heart" and had been at the top of his foreign policy agenda throughout his decade in power.
foreign affairs are always more glamorous than domestic ones
hey Tony perhaps you should of concentrated on the UK, under your government the gulf between rich and poor has grown even more, not go off on vanity trips to Africa?
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05.31.07 - 11:13 am | #
No corporation should have more rights than any common man. If you think that perhaps you should review your choice of party?
Sue | 05.31.07 - 11:09 am | #
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at the LOCAL level. LOCAL. at the local level corporations are just the citizens I, as mayor, would be sworn to serve.
At a national policy, or even state policy level, I agree that "real" person rights should trump corporate rights every time.
Euphronius, Usually Wrong |
05.31.07 - 11:14 am | #
Today conservatives tend to favor freedom
... from consequence.
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05.31.07 - 11:14 am | #
Pretty much. Or Fanshawe Hyphen Throatwarbler.
So yeah, now it's like old news.
Finny, 665.43
And then, the Ukrainians began to raise their hands.....
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05.31.07 - 11:14 am | #
KAGANS wrong again SHEETS!
attaturk |
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05.31.07 - 11:14 am | #
George Will is a wanker.
Here's an excerpt from his latest fecal throw:
Will, your column doesn't explain why your ex-wife chucked your favorite panties out of the bedroom window.
Lime Rickey |
05.31.07 - 11:15 am | #
So it isn't a smurf baring its ass?
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From last weekend's London Rugby Sevens... even more striking standing behind the Kenyan fan contingent...
Tom - 大肚腩 |
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05.31.07 - 11:15 am | #
I'm a liberal. I dont WANT a intenventionist government because I think they are great . . . the only reason is because they are NEEDED to combat the power of concentrated wealth.
Will is an idiot.
Euphronius, Usually Wrong |
05.31.07 - 11:16 am | #
"at the LOCAL level. LOCAL. at the local level corporations are just the citizens I, as mayor, would be sworn to serve."
Wouldn't you as mayor be sworn to serve the citizens? If not, your ass ought to be thrown out.
Sue |
05.31.07 - 11:17 am | #
at the LOCAL level. LOCAL. at the local level corporations are just the citizens I, as mayor, would be sworn to serve.
At a national policy, or even state policy level, I agree that "real" person rights should trump corporate rights every time.
Euphronius, Usually Wrong | 05.31.07 - 11:14 am | #
I guess I'm just not understanding your distinction here. What is a local level corporation? Does it have to be owned locally? Or would a McDonalds, or Walmart in your town be considered local? And, aren't local corporations just as able to engage in dishonest business practices as larger ones? And, finally, if people are so scared to live in the residential areas of town, because crime has been pushed out of the business district, who is there to go shopping at your business, besides tourists? This was the Rendell approach in Philadelphia, and while Center City has undoubtedly improved, the neighborhoods continued to deteriorate to the state you see today.
Barbarism Begins at Home |
05.31.07 - 11:23 am | #
"Conservatism embraces President Kennedy's exhortation to "Ask not what your country can do for you -- ask what you can do for your country," and adds: "forget all that -- be really really selfish, and while you're at it, feel to steal from government, it doesn't deserve the money like you do."
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05.31.07 - 11:24 am | #
LAUGH ALL YOU WANT BUT TEH WHITE MAN IS UNDER SIEG THESE DAYS
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05.31.07 - 11:24 am | #
The picture of Holy Joe over at FDL is the worst one yet. What a fool.
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05.31.07 - 11:41 am | #
If you're white, you're right, if you're brown, stick around, if you're black, GET BACK!
ain't it the trutt.
Joe Blow |
05.31.07 - 12:04 pm | #
Bill-O-ious is a schlerotic lunatic.
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05.31.07 - 12:05 pm | #
WTF?! I'm a white male with no power. I've been jipped!!!
erik28com |
05.31.07 - 12:09 pm | #
The one totally irrational blind spot most progressives have is over immigration. It is completely illogical to continue to import millions of low-skilled people when we are laying off workers, at the Hershey plant in Oakdale California for example, over 500 of them, and shipping the jobs to Mexico.
Ask yourself how mass immigration contributes to the solution of any problem we face -- global warming, crime, congestion, urban pollution, loss of green space. Especially when we are importing people from countries that are making no attempt to control their own populaiton growth.
THINK about it for God's sake.
robthehearthtrob |
05.31.07 - 12:09 pm | #
a paper that employs Tom Friedman, David Brooks, Judith Miller is "far left" to "independent" Bill
jr |
05.31.07 - 1:15 pm | #
We that are white Christian Females fall at the feet of BOR in grateful thanks for saving us from the horrors of a world populated by non-White non-Christian males who might even be dark-skinned on top of it.
Thank Goodness I don't have to worry about the non-white, non-christian women and children that would be too much for my fragile lily white heart to bear. BOR you are my hero, not.
Paula |
05.31.07 - 1:43 pm | #
Did he really say "white Christian male power structure?" And McCain thought that was acceptable?
I don't think either of them believe in democracy one little bit, if they think what's really important is preserving a minority's grip on power (and white Christian males are a minority) no matter what the voters say.
This is the mindset that says we'll never elect a woman or black person or Jew or Hispanic. Let's prove them wrong.
pippen |
05.31.07 - 2:29 pm | #
i am a member of the he-man women haters' club and i resent that remark.
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05.31.07 - 4:42 pm | #
rob the throb says, "Ask yourself how mass immigration contributes to the solution of any problem we face"
How does it change anything? Today, a car, or a Tv, or a DVD, etc. has more right to cross borders than a real living person does.
It is much easier for a shirt from China to get a visa for America than for a real Chinese person to get one.
Just another reason why capitalism sucks.
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