I'MMA LET YOU FINISH
One can only hope and pray that the next coup is a smashing success.
Is Georgie's fingerprints on this one too?
http://www.eluniversal.com/2002/
...2002_38178.html
> ''No podemos perder la iniciativa, no podemos permitir que la iniciativa la tome la contrarrevolución, la iniciativa es del pueblo y estoy seguro que no la perderemos'', dijo
"contrarrevolucion", this guy is so delusional he's channeling Fidelito.
Anyways, I think somebody at newsday doesn't speak Spanish at all.
> Según dijo este grupo, encabezado por el doctor Enrique Tejera París, trata de ''soliviantar'' a los oficiales y leyó un documento titulado ''Solución Militar'' cuya autoría sería del doctor Tejera.
"Solucion Militar" is "Military Solution", not "Final Solution".
OK, another article, this one from "El Mundo" does mention the "Solucion final" phrase;
http://www.elmundo.com.ve/edicio...m&st=p1-
1s1.htm
En la residencia de Tejera París fue encontrado un mapa zonificado de la ciudad de Caracas titulado “solución final”, en el que se asignan tareas de disturbios a Bandera Roja y la toma de Miraflores a la Policía Metropolitana. Sin embargo, Luis Valdivieso, abogado de Tejera París, indicó que este documento fue “sembrado” por los funcionarios policiales. De la residencia fueron extraídos algunos escritos que for man parte de un libro, así como agendas telefónicas.
Check out the anti "gole de estado" plan, in case Chavez-Castro's "government" is attacked.
http://www.cadenaglobal.com/Defa...Not=40349&
Sec=5
Este plan incluye el cierre de las fronteras, la suspensión de las transmisiones de televisión y un estado de excepción en Caracas, además de una respuesta cívico militar para evitar lo sucedido el pasado 11 de abril cuando se derrocó a Chávez durante 47 horas
They're going to suspend all TV transmissions and prevent anybody from leaving the country. What a piece of work general Chavez is.
Like all things with chavez and the media - I'll believe it when I see it.
I saw the Chavez supporters shooting at anti-government protestors.
I also saw the picture of the journalist they murdered.
Do you belive that one?
I know people "on both sides" in venezuela, and just who was doing the shooting at the one rally is in question. As for Chavez supporters vs. Chavez - one needs to make that distinction.. Chavez's words on the media have been so benign that they aren't enough to make the case that he is inciting his supporters to go after the journalists. There is such hysteria about chavez's supposed 'meda crackdown' that bears no relationship with reality.
I trust my venezuelan friend on this one who hates chavez with a visceral passion so powerful it makes my feelings for the bush administration seem like puppy love. As much as she feels that way, she also thinks that the reports on the media crackdown are ridiculous, that the media reports *in this country* are ridiculously anti-chavez, and that while she'd advocate removal of chavez by any means necessary (literally) , she also recognizes that replacing him with the Opus Dei clan isn't exactly the way to go either.
Let's see ...
http://ar.news.yahoo.com/021002/...002/4/
1vsu.html
> En lo que va del año un diario y dos televisoras de noticias han sufrido ataques con explosivos de bajo impacto, un fotógrafo ha sido asesinado, y más de una decena de periodistas y camarógrafos han sido agredidos por simpatizantes del gobierno.
For all our non Spanish speaking friends here, that is "So far in this year a newspaper and two TV news stations have suffered attacks with explosives of low capacity, one photographer has been assasinated, and more than a dozen cameramen have been assulted by government symphatizers.
Further down in the article;
> Una misión de la Sociedad Interamericana de Prensa y el Instituto Internacional de la Prensa (IPI por sus siglas en inglés), que visitó la semana pasada el país, responsabilizó a Chávez de los ataques contra los periodistas.
A mission from the Interamerican Press Institute (IPI), which visited the country last week, blamed Chavez for the attacks against the journalists.
Again, these are journalist organizations from Venezuela, international journalist associations from the contient and the rest of the world complaining about the same things.
Yet we have some goofball on a website telling us, that all the complaints are because Chavez said the press is "full of shit".
Let's get serious here, why don't you bother trying to reasearch a bit more what the organizations in question are complaining about? Can't you have some basic symphaty for the plight of journalists in Venezuela, or are they just a bunch of whiners?
Augusto,
The issues are:
a) Is Chavez organizing this stuff directly or indirectly?
b) Is Chavez not investigating these crimes adequately and effectively?
I haven't seen any credible charges about a) and b).
Augusto,
We can all argue about a) and b). a) is extremely hard to prove, and the journalists seem to be complaining that at the very least, he's "inciting" the violence. We all know how subjective such a judgement can be.
However, I'm mainly objecting to your post saying;
> Ethel the Blog notes that Hugo Chavez's crackdowns on press freedom seem to come down to one very Jesse Ventura like comment - "he said the press was full of shit."
As you can see, there are many complaints, and I haven't read of any yet basically saying they're crying because he's complaining. It goes much deeper than that. And quite honestly, given the violence against journalist by pro Chavez factions, I'd be worried if I was a journalist or not.
Saying that "he said the press was full of shit", is an insipid oversimplification, and an insult to the people who are afraid for their lives just for trying to report the news.
In essence, I'll take the word of the journalist organizations in questions any day over the word of a little "presidente en uniforme", or "narconews.com".
Here's another good example of the problems between Chavez and the press. This one from Jorge Ramos of Univision ...
http://www.jorgeramos.com/
articu...rticulos144.htm
> En Venezuela no hay libertad de prensa; lo que hay son periodistas muy valientes. Eso es lo que sugirió hace poco un representante de la Sociedad Interamericana de Prensa (SIP) cuando visitó el país. Y ahora las cosas no han cambiado. Por el contrario. Con el regreso de Chavez al palacio de Miraflores, tras el golpe de estado de 48 horas, han aumentado los riesgos para los periodistas.
In Venezuela, there is no freedom of the press; what is there is brave journalists. That's what a representatiove of the Interamerican Press Institute when he visited the country. On the contrary. With the return of Chavez to the Miraflores palaces, after a coup d'etat of 48 hours, the risks for journalists have increased.
The article mentions a good example of what the press is "whining" about. A mob of 200 people threatening Venevision and other TV stations. Ramos was right there.
Otto Reich will never give up.
Maybe people mob the press because they were not objective but were pro coup. How do you think the average guy in Venezuela is going to react one the press is complicit in stealing his new found democracy? And the way it was reported in the U.S. ... these so called journalists can rot in hell as far as I'm concerned.
On a side note I hope the idealists in the administration like Wolfowitz, who envision a democratic post-war Iraq, remember Venezuela from time to time.
> ... these so called journalists can rot in hell as far as I'm concerned.
There you go. When it comes down to it, you think they "deserved it".
When somebody gets intimidated in the US for reporting something, it's opression and clamping down on free speech.
When it happens in Venezuela, it's what they deserve.
Nice little standards you've got there. So the only "good journalists" are the pro-Chavez ones (the few that there probably are).
BTW, another thing that I read about Chavez-Castro which reminded me of Noriega. He has his own TV show. I havne't seen it, but I remember we used to have one with state propaganda. It was called "Todo por la patria" (All for the country). These megalmaniacs are so in love with themselves.
The pathetic thing is their admirers though. Excuse everything away ... how sad.
If this is true the coup plotters are simply unbelievable. There is a no-confidence popular referendum coming up and Diebold is counting the vote.
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