I'MMA LET YOU FINISH
Boo!
YOU talk too much!
Pelosi!
... you even worry my pet!
You talk about places that you've never been.
Hello?
I hate the Yankees
Boy, am I glad that last thread is done.
That was making me tired.
...you talk about people you don't even know!
I hate the Yankees
As Steve Gilliard always said:
FUCK THE FUCKING YANKEES!!!
hmmmmm...........
As Steve Gilliard always said:
FUCK THE FUCKING YANKEES!!!
dave™©
Bless him for that.
janine,
Do you prefer writing with a pencil or a pen?
(BTW - Duck the Fodgers!)
Bless him for that.
A hard-core Mets fan, he was...
Okie dokie, folks...time for me to put the birdies to bed.
Don't let the bedbugs bite, k?
I do not!!!
you talkin' ta me ... no, you talkin' ta me? then who you talkin' to?
Anyone mentioned this latest embarrassment?
George Thorogood.
I walked 10 miles on the track today: 2:42:12
You talk too much, never say whats on your mind...
Anyone mentioned this latest embarrassment? - Righteous Bubba
It was given a pretty good going over when the story broke. Remember, this is the Governor who mockingly said "please don't kill me. please don't kill me" of a woman on death row.
WalterNeff! 
Yes, old Georgie is just bursting full of compassion isn't he.
The only compassion Bush ever shows is when Jeffy "Lube" Gannon makes a late night visit to the Oral...I mean Oval office.
This blog may contain traces of peanuts and/or brazil nuts.
"Clarence Thomas: Supreme Discomfort"
Biography or Treatise On Hemmorhoids?
Both!
.
THE PRESIDENT: Kermit Ruffins and the Barbeque Swingers, right out of New Orleans, Louisiana. (Applause.)
MR. RUFFINS: Thank you. Thanks for having us. We're glad to be here.
THE PRESIDENT: Proud you're here. Thanks for coming. You all enjoy yourself. Make sure you pick up all the trash after it's over.
Of course. Exact same line the GOP uses every 18-22 years.
I take exception to Atrios' post. I'm very quiet, both in real life and on this blog.
New BatBoy Blogs The Politico:
Episode III: Die Flederhaus
ˇMmm-Mmmmm, Integrilicious!
I weel be whoring thees all over la blogsfera tomorrow, but I could no forget the late nite crew at Azul-Grande, who helped me through many, many third and fourth sheefts.
So, a quick leetle drive-by for joo, to geeve joo something to read besides las trollitas.
so.
What's with all of the quietude?
We talk too much, Dad?
You enable us 
lyle | 06.23.07 - 12:54 am | #
You spelled my name wrong...it's JANEANE...
Pens are my bag...
Thanks to all you selfish bastards for not calling "sheets." You can all go to hell.
/mudcat
Thanks to all you selfish bastards for not calling "sheets." You can all go to hell.
I said "sheetsie weetsies" downstairs.
I said "sheetsie weetsies" downstairs.
DO YOU EXPECT ME TO READ EVERY COMMENT?
"The partnership of corporations and American government is still in the honeymoon stage. Early on in developing fascist societies, corporations are feted and feasted like the brides they are, as they marry and merge with the government. They can do no wrong, and no request is actually unreasonable. When you're in love, and planning a long life together, you indulge your partner. You throw your all into the mix.
Only later on will the brides discover that they have married a monster, whose appetites must be satisfied even at the expense of the corporation's freedom to pursue its own aims. The brides must perform for the government, must support anything the government demands or needs in the heated moments of its growing political battle with the populace, must obey the edicts of vicious and petty personalities with only their own grandiose advancement in mind.
In short, there is no governance in a fascist regime, only the lust for power. From the get go. From the get go, there is only the one-way kind of loyalty the Bush Administration already exemplifies so well. In the honeymoon stage, the bride doesn't see this. The media corporations in America are giddy brides right now. When they see the government take astonishing, great leaps above and beyond the law, they see only the inspired dancing of their beloved husband at their wedding party.
It's all good. It's all going to be wonderful. And isn't he wonderful?"
- comment by Antifa at Digby's Hullabaloo
Thanks to all you selfish bastards for not calling "sheets." You can all go to hell.
Mr French
but, I emailed you ...
The only compassion Bush ever shows is when Jeffy "Lube" Gannon makes a late night visit to the Oral...I mean Oval office.
American Psycho | 06.23.07 - 1:11 am
Oh, compassion is a slang for "penis"? . . . I did not know that.
What's with all of the quietude?
pez clown
Seriously. Hello?
but, I emailed you ...
Sorry, I'm new to this A-list blogger thing.
Oh, well Haloscan lies, so, whatever...
You can all go to hell.
Mr French
I put a down payment on a condo on the Styx in 1988.
Buzz Bomb | 06.23.07 - 1:39 am | #
Was it a Grand Illusion? Did you cost you some Pieces of Eight? Was it the Cornerstone of your life?
Hey Buzzy, ready for another martini?
I know Styx sucks serious ass, but I still like the song "Lorelei."
Was it a Grand Illusion? Did you cost you some Pieces of Eight? Was it the Cornerstone of your life?
Janeane The Acerbic Goblin | 06.23.07 - 1:40 am | #
I wanna be a Blue Collar Mannnnnnn
We've done music; movies; philosophy; literature; food; drugs; sex; religion; politics; psychology; alcohol; botany; zoology (including kitties); medicine; spiritualism, and each other.
What's left?
Hey Buzzy, ready for another martini?
Sallyh, Grandmere Poissonniere
Shit, like you have to ask!
Thanks to all you selfish bastards for not calling "sheets." You can all go to hell.
Mr French
but, I emailed you ...
focus | 06.23.07 - 1:36 am | #
Sorry, I'm new to this A-list blogger thing.
That's nothing. The real deals get engraved notes delivered by courier, in advance
Styx, as much as they sucked, were still a lot better than Huey Lewis.
We've done music; movies; philosophy; literature; food; drugs; sex; religion; politics; psychology; alcohol; botany; zoology (including kitties); medicine; spiritualism, and each other.
What's left?
I-M-P-E-A-C-H-M-E-N-T
Was it a Grand Illusion? Did you cost you some Pieces of Eight? Was it the Cornerstone of your life?
Janeane The Acerbic Goblin
No, not the band Styx. The mythical river in Hades. Though, if I do end up there, I'm sure "Mr. Roboto" will be played constantly for all eternity.
Sorry, I'm new to this A-list blogger thing.
Mr French
ok, but we can still be double secret kewl email-commentators right?
What's left?
pez clown | 06.23.07 - 1:42 am | #
I contend that whenever a woman touches the upper arm on a guy, the man will immediately flex.
Styx, as much as they sucked, were still a lot better than Huey Lewis.
Huey Lewis sucks and then blows, and then sucks again, hard.
I-M-P-E-A-C-H-M-E-N-T
Talking about that's like talking about a great cup of coffee; the longer you talk about it, the colder it gets.
Huey Lewis sucks and then blows, and then sucks again, hard.
Mr French
He wants a new drug, one with no side effects. Fuckin' pussy.
I'm watching the new Frontline and it is pissing me the fuck off.
Huey Lewis sucks and then blows, and then sucks again, hard.
Mr French | 06.23.07 - 1:46 am | #
And thats NEWS?
I contend that whenever a woman touches the upper arm on a guy, the man will immediately flex.
Agreed. It's yet another physical corollary to the "suck in the gut" reflex.
ok, but we can still be double secret kewl email-commentators right?
Ix-nay on the email-ay, OK-ay?.
I contend that whenever a woman touches the upper arm on a guy, the man will immediately flex.
He's also going to get laid.
I watched KO's first segment tonight, and it's really pissed me off.
Now listening to William Macy lie through his teeth to my man Sam Neill.
Hello all. If I may share . . .
I am well aware of Michael Crichton and his wingnut views on global warming.
I just read his book Airframe, a thriller about a mid-air airline accident and the subsequent investigation.
With only passing connection to the ultimate plot, he includes a gratuitous side-story about burly union thugs that harass our plucky, wholesome heroine - stuff straight out of Jimmy Hoffa-land.
Kinda ruined an otherwise good popcorn read.
I contend that whenever a woman touches the upper arm on a guy, the man will immediately flex.
Agreed. It's yet another physical corollary to the "suck in the gut" reflex.
pez clown | 06.23.07 - 1:47 am | #
Ah, yes...right you are. In America, this is a tall order.
I contend that whenever a woman touches the upper arm on a guy, the man will immediately flex.
He's also going to get laid.
That worked for me in the streets of Bangkok...
Now listening to William Macy lie through his teeth to my man Sam Neill.
Apprentice to Darth Holden
Huh? What's Macy talking about?
That worked for me in the streets of Bangkok...
Works in Podunk, too.
He's also going to get laid.
dirk | 06.23.07 - 1:48 am | #
Kino is a good indicator.
Darn. Out of booze.
Now listening to William Macy lie through his teeth to my man Sam Neill.
Apprentice to Darth Holden
Huh? What's Macy talking about?
Buzz Bomb
Oh, this "charter flight" over Isla Sorna that he's hornswaggling Neill into guiding him on. Jurassic Park III
I'm downloading a 23 sec. clip of a hooter. it's taking about an hour, I hate dialup.
Ix-nay on the email-ay, OK-ay?.
Mr French
[goes to tap nose, misses- pokes eye]
Oh, this "charter flight" over Isla Sorna that he's hornswaggling Neill into guiding him on. Jurassic Park III
Apprentice to Darth Holden
Oy. A fictional film. Thanks for being kind to a slightly intoxicated poster who's lost the plot.
I'm downloading a 23 sec. clip of a hooter. it's taking about an hour, I hate dialup.
A breast?
There's a Democratic woman on FOX, and may I say with all respect that this young lady is teh haute. So much so I actually put up with the vapid billo and malkin to watch a clip.
Let's just say she has restored my faith in The American Dream.
Too much reliance on the opinion of Philip Zelikow in the Frontline proggie. He's a bastardo.
A breast?
pez clown | 06.23.07 - 1:53 am | #
Sure. How long would a 46 second clip take ?
There's a Democratic woman on FOX, and may I say with all respect that this young lady is teh haute.
Is she touching Billos arm?
And thats NEWS?
gimmeabreak | Homepage | 06.23.07 - 1:47 am | #
On an earlier thread, I said I can't listen to Huey at all. I had a friend who I worked with in college, and he played a mix tape of Huey EVERY SINGLE DAY in his section. It was the same tape every single day. I can't listen to a single song of Huey's. Actually, my friend probably did me a favour.
And my friend, to this day, considers Huey this great musician. Needless to say, this is a position that is indefensible.
A breast?
pez clown | 06.23.07 - 1:53 am | #
Sure. How long would a 46 second clip take ?
Must be a rather large breast.
"When you swallow, it's delicious"
- Giada De Lautentis, just now.
Sure. How long would a 46 second clip take ?
Well, ya know, depends.
High quality clip on a dialup connection? Might take a bit.
A breast?
pez clown
Barred owl. Perched on a branch above the bird feeder yesterday. Caught a ground squirrel.
Janeane The Acerbic Goblin | 06.23.07 - 1:56 am | #
That's OK. A buddy plays in a Scritti Politti tribute band.
This arm-touching talk is arousing....
Must be a rather large breast.
Residual bonus from my search fo Adrienne Barbeau clips.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?sea...d&
v=NibiU0DZHXc
This arm-touching talk is arousing....
pez clown | 06.23.07 - 1:57 am | #
I find it Seinfeldish
pez, you forgot math!
Dark, tarry stools are a sign of bleeding in the upper intestine and stomach. The blood is being digested.
Chicks that read are teh sexy.
Barred owl. Perched on a branch above the bird feeder yesterday. Caught a ground squirrel.
Cool. We have a pair of Great Horned owls nearby. I've never seen them, but I hear them.
I don't like tribute bands. If you're going to cover a song, make it your own.
Darn. Out of booze.
Buzz Bomb
that sucks, still working on a gift package of Grey-Goose from a client -I left the box w/glasses intact and will regift but replace the bottle's compartment w/a 5th of Popov for my wingnut brother ...
Chicks that read are teh sexy.
Mr French | 06.23.07 - 2:00 am | #
Yes, but only Danielle Steele
Talking about that's like talking about a great cup of coffee; the longer you talk about it, the colder it gets.
Think so?
"Associated Content - 7 Hours Ago - The supporters of the Impeachments point to the fact that the nation was at war in Vietnam when the Impeachment process was going on for Nixon. They will also be quick to point out that President Clinton's hearings started very late in his Presidency as well. It will be interesting to see over the next few months how much support groups like Impeach818 achieve, and if they are able to drum up enough support to have 50 million letters sent out in August."
Chicks that read are teh sexy.
Mr French | 06.23.07 - 2:00 am | #
Picture a guy saying "I like a chick who reads " while he's looking at your tits..
...hey. I've got a new self-portrait up.
I don't like tribute bands. If you're going to cover a song, make it your own.
Janeane The Acerbic Goblin | 06.23.07 - 2:01 am | #
During one year, a Cheap Trick tribute band made more money than Cheap Trick. True.
That's OK. A buddy plays in a Scritti Politti tribute band.
Gilly Gonzylon | 06.23.07 - 1:57 am | #
Never heard of that band...
pez, you forgot math!
A smart woman touching my upper arm in an affectionate way? How very, very, nice.
Picture a guy saying "I like a chick who reads " while he's looking at your tits..
Janeane The Acerbic Goblin | 06.23.07 - 2:02 am | #
French, hast thou tits ?
Gilly Gonzylon | 06.23.07 - 2:02 am | #
I can believe that. Maybe everyone thought they were seeing the real thing, or the tribute band is actually better, because the original Cheap Trick members are all drugged out and can't play like they use to.
Picture a guy saying "I like a chick who reads " while he's looking at your tits..
I refuse to apologize for being hetero. It's a curse, and I accept it.
Never heard of that band...
Janeane The Acerbic Goblin | 06.23.07 - 2:02 am | #
Neither has most of LA....
Rock musicians don't age well. They have a short shelf life.
Some of the Big Bands from the 30's have been continuous entities since that time.
I don't like tribute bands. If you're going to cover a song, make it your own.
Janeane The Acerbic Goblin | 06.23.07 - 2:01 am
You kidding?! Some of the greatest laughs [drunken] can be had watching an atrocious tribute band. I once saw an Ozzy tribute band that had an Ozzy that looked like Ozzy when Horatio Sanz played him on Sat Nght Live. Fun times.
Picture a guy saying "I like a chick who reads " while he's looking at your tits..
If I walked around with one nut hanging out slightly, tell me -- in all seriousness -- that you could maintain perfect eye contact.
I can believe that. Maybe everyone thought they were seeing the real thing, or the tribute band is actually better, because the original Cheap Trick members are all drugged out and can't play like they use to.
Janeane The Acerbic Goblin | 06.23.07 - 2:03 am | #
The singer is. He looks...bad.
pez clown | 06.23.07 - 2:05 am | #
That sounds like a Jackass stunt...
Rock musicians don't age well. They have a short shelf life.
Janeane The Acerbic Goblin | 06.23.07 - 2:04 am | #
True for most...
Gilly Gonzylon | 06.23.07 - 2:05 am | #
Robin Zander was considered quite hot in Cheap Trick's heyday, but the expiration date has run out...
I refuse to apologize for being hetero. It's a curse, and I accept it.
Mr French
Shh! Don't lure Incog here.
Robin Zander was considered quite hot in Cheap Trick's heyday, but the expiration date has run out...
Age will do that...
Daryl, that's a gorgeous picture. I can't figure out your exact portrayal though....I want to say Iron Brigade but the hat isn't quite that. Do you portray a particular individual, an ancestor perhaps?
Yeah, I do a little Civil War stuff myself, although not reenactment.
That sounds like a Jackass stunt...
Then what you call it when a woman does it with her breasts? A Jennie stunt?
Cheap Trick was my first-ever concert. They fuckin' rawk.
Rock musicians don't age well. They have a short shelf life.
Janeane The Acerbic Goblin
I often wonder how Keith Richards still lives. Unless he has found the perfect chemical cocktail to keep himself alive.
"When that tricyclatrops comes attacking you, don't come crying to me."
Josh Marshall is so behind the curve: blogging about Ted Stevens and his fish money 11 months and 3 weeks after I did.
Damn, it sucks to be a q level blogger. Thats a lower case q, not to be confused with upper case, which is in the top 26 levels, I'm in the bottom 52.
Daryl, that's a gorgeous picture. I can't figure out your exact portrayal though....I want to say Iron Brigade but the hat isn't quite that. Do you portray a particular individual, an ancestor perhaps?
Company E, 2nd Vermont Regiment... more here...
chemical cocktail to keep himself alive.
gimmeabreak | Homepage | 06.23.07 - 2:09 am | #
That's probably it. Like Hunter S., Keith seems to know what his body can take and what it can't take. The drugs are part of his very being.
Picture a guy saying "I like a chick who reads " while he's looking at your tits..
can't a guy like both? I am in earnest ...
Age will do that...
Mr French | 06.23.07 - 2:08 am | #
And the road, drugs, groupies, bad food, the business...
What's fucked up is when the tribute band and the real band blur.
Once I was at a bar in Houston and I heard this band that was playing a great version of "All the Love" by the Outfield. I eventually found out it was the real Outfield [I read a flyer over the urinal.]
On the bright side, I guess a one-hit wonder can still keep from getting real jobs well after their 15-minutes.
Age will do that...
Mr French | 06.23.07 - 2:08 am | #
And the road, drugs, groupies, bad food, the business...
It ain't the age, honey... it's the mileage.
We talk too much, Dad?
You enable us
Sallyh, Grandmere Poissonniere
It's a co-dependent relationship.
Well, Janeane, that's an experiment I could never get through. I get sick after 6 beers, fall asleep on pot and pray to god for sleep on coke.
Yes Janeanne, drugs are bad, blah blah blah.
Give it a rest already.
Zora, Tista, and Gramsci, however, do not walk too much.
Robin Zander was considered quite hot in Cheap Trick's heyday, but the expiration date has run out...
Janeane The Acerbic Goblin | 06.23.07 - 2:06 am | #
You're kidding....
http://img444.imageshack.us/img4.../
snapshohz9.jpg
chemical cocktail to keep himself alive.
gimmeabreak | Homepage | 06.23.07 - 2:09 am | #
That's probably it. Like Hunter S., Keith seems to know what his body can take and what it can't take. The drugs are part of his very being.
Janeane The Acerbic Goblin | 06.23.07 - 2:10 am
So are some shotgun pellets.
Mr French | 06.23.07 - 2:13 am | #
So I repeat myself a bit....
Give it a rest already.
Mr French
I believe it was just a discussion on how rockers live their lives, not a study in drug abuse.
Picture a guy saying "I like a chick who reads " while he's looking at your tits..
Jeez, we look at tits, we get in trouble. We too obviously look anywhere but at tits, we get in trouble. We appear utterly uninterested in tits, we get in trouble...er, you get the idea.
And the road, drugs, groupies, bad food, the business...
Janeane The Acerbic Goblin | 06.23.07 - 2:11 am | #
Here I go...Turn the Page
Gilly Gonzylon | 06.23.07 - 2:14 am | #
Is that from '77? That looks like a later picture....
What's Michael Moore gonna do with that rubber glove?
Buzz Bomb | 06.23.07 - 2:15 am | #
You're screwed no matter what you do...sorry...
Darn. Out of booze.
Buzz Bomb
Just rolled a french joint w/ the
"Big Bambu" paper.
Wanna hit?
Is that from '77? That looks like a later picture....
Janeane The Acerbic Goblin | 06.23.07 - 2:15 am | #
Conan '07
We talk too much, Dad?
You enable us
Sallyh, Grandmere Poissonniere
And is that so bad? Einstein was certainly obsessive compulsive. Most exceptional programmers are obsessive compulsives.
You're screwed no matter what you do...sorry...
Janeane The Acerbic Goblin | 06.23.07 - 2:16 am | #
Well, then, everybody wins!
Lab Coat Larry | 06.23.07 - 2:11 am | #
They can get a bunch of those one hit wonders together for a decent tour...
Like an 80's metal, hair band tour...
Slayer/Ratt/Quiet Riot/Whitesnake
Or a 70's hit factory...
Styx/REO Speedwagon/Supertramp
Company E, 2nd Vermont Regiment... more here...
Darryl Pearce
Ah, thank you kind sir. For some reason I was going to guess Wisconsin--sure glad I did not do so out loud or that would be embarassing.
Do you read the CW blogs perchance? The one run by a guy known as "mntineer" is heavily reenactor-oriented; most of the others are either run by authors or academics.
Shame on Robin Zander for not looking 30 forever.
Gilly Gonzylon | 06.23.07 - 2:16 am | #
Yeah, he hasn't aged well. Bun E. Carlos looks old, too, but then he was never that pretty to begin with.
Mr French | 06.23.07 - 2:17 am | #
Damn him to rock star purgatory...
Shame on Robin Zander for not looking 30 forever.
Mr French | 06.23.07 - 2:17 am | #
You say that as you look at his tits, French.
Xan..., I'm still learning (even after 13 years "in the hobby").
Here I am in Virginia last October at the Cedar Creek event.
Styx/REO Speedwagon/Supertramp
Janeane The Acerbic Goblin |
When Supertramp played Seattle the Wilson sisters (Heart) showed up in little tuxcedo outfits and sang back-up.
Good show!
Go to helly Gilly!
Def Leppard are touring with Styx and Foreigner this summer.
Ah, here's the crowded picture.
Is there a man here who hates it when he catches a woman checking out his crotch?
Raise your hand.
Buzz Bomb | 06.23.07 - 2:21 am | #
Just add REO, and it's perfection....
Slayer/Ratt/Quiet Riot/Whitesnake
Or a 70's hit factory...
Styx/REO Speedwagon/Supertramp
Janeane The Acerbic Goblin | 06.23.07 - 2:17 am
Slayer's golden . . . they still get gigs opening for acts that want to sell to the !!!LOOK WERE SATANIC!!! crowd.
Rick Nielsen is playing a $50K 1958 Les Paul geetar in this pic.
http://img503.imageshack.us/
img5...napshot2vt6.jpg
Def Leppard are touring with Styx and Foreigner this summer.
Buzz Bomb
EARDRUMAPALOOZA!
...hmm, that "crowded" picture isn't complete. Time to track down what's wrong....
{{{Raises hand.}}}
Go to helly Gilly!
Mr French | 06.23.07 - 2:20 am | #
LOL!
Just rolled a french joint w/ the
"Big Bambu" paper.
Wanna hit?
Flint,Wossamata U. Alum.
Yer very kind, but no. That's a bad mix for me. Deep, black, paralyzing nconsciousness is the result. The kind were my friends bitch nonstop the next day about how heavy I am to move.
{{{Raises hand.}}}
Other than you, Richard. Or incog. Or Draco.
were = where
Is there a man here who hates it when he catches a woman checking out his crotch?
This guy does.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w...related&
search=
I ask myself, WTF is he thinking?
Just rolled a french joint w/ the
"Big Bambu" paper.
Wanna hit?
Flint,Wossamata U. Alum.
Yer very kind, but no. That's a bad mix for me. Deep, black, paralyzing nconsciousness is the result. The kind were my friends bitch nonstop the next day about how heavy I am to move.
Buzz Bomb |
Yeah, Frewheelin' Franklin sez:
"Drinkin' and smokin' dope at the same time is like pissin' into the wind."
Chickas who come on too strong are a bit much.
Looks a bit rainy there Darryl, or at least windy. You goin' to Gburg in a couple of weeks? Stannard's Brigade after all has some history to maintain...
I ask myself, WTF is he thinking?
Too funny! Wish I were there.
I ask myself, WTF is he thinking?
Mr French
He's pretending not to look at her nipples.
never could smoke dope and drink at same time. violently ill doesn't begin to describe the misery.....
Is there a man here who hates it when he catches a woman checking out his crotch?
I can't blame them. My sheer size means there's hardly any other place to look.
Those rock stars aren't any different than anyone else. You women understand that don't you? Playing an instrument or writing a song is no different than any job. And life on the road is not much fun at all. Most of these people are scum. Stick with everyday people.
Here we go, "crowded in Virgina".
No, I won't make it to Gettysburg. There are other events to attend...
Just rolled a french joint w/ the
"Big Bambu" paper.
Wanna hit?
Flint,Wossamata U. Alum.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P...h?
v=PObknmaH9po
Chickas who come on too strong are a bit much.
Depends on who they are and how you're feeling, doesn't it?
Chickas who come on too strong are a bit much.
Depends on the situation. I like girls who know what they want and ain't afraid to say it.
This guy does.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w...?v=w...related&
search=
I ask myself, WTF is he thinking?
Mr French | 06.23.07 - 2:25 am | #
Check out the guy's shirt and haircut.
I don't think she's exactly his style.
I can't blame them. My sheer size means there's hardly any other place to look.
The tripod effect wows them every time, doesn't it?
smoke | 06.23.07 - 2:28 am | #
Bob Seger's Turn the Page had the right idea.
Is there a man here who hates it when he catches a woman checking out his crotch?
I can't blame them. My sheer size means there's hardly any other place to look.
rorschach, infogit | Homepage | 06.23.07 - 2:28 am | #
Like when its draped over your shoulder and around your neck like a prepster with a sweater? Yeah, that presents focusing issues.
I can't blame them. My sheer size means there's hardly any other place to look.
rorschach, infogit |
I'd like to show you all someting I'm very proud of...ZZZIIIPPP!
You folks in the front row are gonna need to move back........
'SCUSE ME WHILE I WHIP IT OUT.
Like when its draped over your shoulder and around your neck like a prepster with a sweater? Yeah, that presents focusing issues.
Lab Coat Larry | 06.23.07 - 2:30 am | #
You've seen me presenting papers at conferences, haven't you!
Penis envy on the blog...
Depends on who they are and how you're feeling, doesn't it?
You don't quite understand the concept of playing hard to get.
I can't blame them. My sheer size means there's hardly any other place to look.
rorschach, infogit |
Could be the sheer thong.....
Dick jokes! That's what he haven't done yet! I knew we'd missed something!
I don't like dick jokes...
For obvious reasons...
Those rock stars aren't any different than anyone else. You women understand that don't you? Playing an instrument or writing a song is no different than any job. And life on the road is not much fun at all. Most of these people are scum. Stick with everyday people.
smoke
You'll never convince them.
hey people.
i just came home from a gig. it went well. i had 4 whiskeys even though i'm usually a one whiskey girl. now i'm eating leftover pizza.
i hope i don't come on too strong. ha!
Penis envy on the blog...
We like clits, too!
I'd like to show you all someting I'm very proud of...ZZZIIIPPP!
Water cold....deep, too!
Check out the guy's shirt and haircut.
I don't think she's exactly his style.
Hell, even if I was gay I'd still hit that.
Is there a man here who hates it when he catches a woman checking out his crotch?
well, the magnifying glass tends to piss me off.
We like clits, too!
pez clown | 06.23.07 - 2:33 am
Mudflaps rule!
Penis envy on the blog...
Janeane The Acerbic Goblin
Better than those folks at the White House.
They've got Subpeaonus envy.
Penis envy on the blog...
We like clits, too!
pez clown | 06.23.07 - 2:33 am | #
Also, we like big butts
And we cannot lie.
How can you not watch...?
it's been One of Those Days, and I was feeling pretty low. I come here, though, and you guys crack me up. Or - there's something new, like Daryl Pearce's photo's. Or new music, or funny youtubes, or the gypsy shit. thankyew!
Mudflaps rule!
Slick50
Uh oh, here we go
I don't like dick jokes...
For obvious reasons...
Janeane The Acerbic Goblin | 06.23.07 - 2:32 am | #
Well, not obvious enough, apparently. What's up?
Also, we like big butts
And we cannot lie.
rorschach, infogit |
You bet!
We cannot deny!
I don't like dick jokes...
For obvious reasons...
Janeane The Acerbic Goblin | 06.23.07 - 2:32 am | #
I suppose that precludes nutsacks then, yes?
How can you not watch...?
Darryl Pearce
I just totally checked out Lynda Carter's rack. I make no apologies.
sorry...Darryl Pearce.
I suppose that precludes nutsacks then, yes?
Gilly Gonzylon | 06.23.07 - 2:36 am |
Whole different ball of wax.
No, I won't make it to Gettysburg. There are other events to attend...
Darryl Pearce
O lord, I hear ya. The only time we went down on the anniverary weekend--had to for a news story, and we lived in PA at the time so it was "what the hell, why not?"--it wasn't even a divisible-by-five anniversary year and it was a fucking madhouse. I mean the whole town was impassible. Trying to get from a booksigning downtown to one at the Eisenhower took over an hour and nearly overheated the car. We got our news story and fled the field. Taking that hill was just not practicable.
But some people like the big events...was just wondering.
I suppose that precludes nutsacks then, yes?
Gilly Gonzylon | 06.23.07 - 2:36 am |
I'm lucky to have been blessed with a tripod, so as to support my enormous balls.
Is there a man here who hates it when he catches a woman checking out his crotch?
for me no ... but the truth is beyond that (not a delusion or lie) from my own experience as an attorney and that of my surgeon friend - some (not all) of the female's staff's unnessary breast contact in passing and leg rubbing ... it is by no means solely a male thing, everyone has their reasons ...
Whole different ball of wax.
Lab Coat Larry | 06.23.07 - 2:37 am | #
You wax your balls?
Sounds painful.
sorry...Darryl Pearce.
Sarah Deere
Not to worry.
I just totally checked out Lynda Carter's rack. I make no apologies.
Buzz Bomb |
She's a National treasure.
I propose some sort of preservation and appreciation society.
yum.
She's a National treasure.
...smart
...loyal
Oh, yeah.
Flint,Wossamata U. Alum. | 06.23.07 - 2:39 am | #
The Lynda Carter/Adrienne Barbeau museum for racks...
I propose some sort of preservation and appreciation society.
Mt. Rushmore?
Here's my "GQ" shot...
Whole different ball of wax.
Lab Coat Larry | 06.23.07 - 2:37 am | #
You wax your balls?
Sounds painful.
rorschach, infogit | Homepage | 06.23.07 - 2:38 am |
Nothing wrong with some a shorn scrot.
Is there a man here who hates it when he catches a woman checking out his crotch?
Raise your hand.
pez clown
No.
And I think I met my next future ex wife tonight.
Darryl Pearce - impressive photo! Very nice
hey, i used to live in northampton, ma. and amherst, and shutesbury, and hadley...i went to hampshire, miss the area, its pretty there
The Lynda Carter/Adrienne Barbeau museum for racks...
Janeane The Acerbic Goblin |
We would require experts to verify authenticity.
Are we all still here...
Night all...
Here's my "GQ" shot...
Darryl Pearce | Homepage | 06.23.07 - 2:41 am | #
///bullshit. No man can look so manly, yet so vulnerable....
Are we all still here...
Janeane The Acerbic Goblin | 06.23.07 - 2:44 am | #
Is the discussion getting uncomfortable?
And I think I met my next future ex wife tonight.
Here?
Are we all still here...
Janeane The Acerbic Goblin
Aye, matey!
bullshit. No man can look so manly, yet so vulnerable....
I'm not gay, but...
Is there a man here who hates it when he catches a woman checking out his crotch?
Raise your hand.
pez clown
No.
And I think I met my next future ex wife tonight.
Barry from Alaska
I'l go down to the strip club and if I play my cards right....
I'll bring home your new mommie tonight!
And I think I met my next future ex wife tonight.
Ever the optimist.
No man can look so manly, yet so vulnerable....
Gilly Gonzylon
Lighting works wonders.
Damn, Darryl, where's Troiani when you need him?
Being well endowed is no picnic!
Postmaster required an additional Zip Code.........
Being well endowed is no picnic!
Yeah, it's more of a buffet.
Damn, Darryl, where's Troiani when you need him?
I prefer a more ...impressionistic approach.
I like Michael Moore and what he does and all . . . but . . . Jesus, do we have to keep seeing him donning a rubber glove and a lecherous look . . . fuck, it looks like some kinda of twisted fetish porno promo.
Yeah, it's more of a buffet.
rorschach, infogit |
there are so many reasons I am a fan of yours.......
and, Darryl, nice digs.
About 8 inches long, 4 inches in diameter, the ability to get erect in 10 or so seconds...
Now there's a penis to be envious of...
there are so many reasons I am a fan of yours.......
Sarah Deere, Not Complacent | 06.23.07 - 2:50 am | #
Sarah swoops in with impeccable timing...LOL
there are so many reasons I am a fan of yours.......
Sarah Deere, Not Complacent | 06.23.07 - 2:50 am | #
{{{mwah!}}}
Now there's a penis to be envious of...
Janeane The Acerbic Goblin | 06.23.07 - 2:51 am | #
Have you seen the freudian slip? What about the Erin Go Bra ?
About 8 inches long, 4 inches in diameter, the ability to get erect in 10 or so seconds...
A bee's stinger is an eighth of an inch long. The rest is all enthusiasm.
okay. no one saw me, so I guess i'll go to brd...
um. bed?
A bee's stinger is an eighth of an inch long. The rest is all enthusiasm.
pez clown | 06.23.07 - 2:53 am |
Thanks for my new pick-up line.
um. bed?
whiskey girl, a-go-go | Homepage | 06.23.07 - 2:55 am | #
Well, that's rather forward, but sure.
Now there's a penis to be envious of...
I have always envied my penis. He has all the fun while I take all the blame...
About 8 inches long, 4 inches in diameter, the ability to get erect in 10 or so seconds...
Now there's a penis to be envious of...
Janeane The Acerbic Goblin | 06.23.07 - 2:51 am | #
with all due respect, that's just a bit...much.....too much...
um. bed?
Is that an invitation?
I'm awake
okay. no one saw me, so I guess i'll go to brd...
No! Hang out! You know how to play with the boys without getting pissed off! You too, Sarah!
I owe Rory...
Something.
Well, that's rather forward, but sure.
rorschach, infogit | Homepage | 06.23.07 - 2:55 am | #
Yea! Whip it out & we'll have some fun.
Good night.
A bee's stinger is an eighth of an inch long. The rest is all enthusiasm.
pez clown | 06.23.07 - 2:53 am | #
Well, taste in art can differ i guess. I decline to Strain our friendship by arguing the point.
(btw the JP Strain cited above does not feature exactly my favorite character in the Late Unpleasantness, but the action depicted took place about five miles from where I currently sit.)
Faster than a speeding bullet, more powerful than a locomotive,About 8 inches long, 4 inches in diameter, the ability to get erect in 10 or so seconds...
It's a banana, it's a rocket it's...
Superprick!
Yea! Whip it out & we'll have some fun.
Good night.
whiskey girl, a-go-go | Homepage | 06.23.07 - 2:57 am | #
Sigh.
How many times has this happened to me?
No flirting!
okay. no one saw me, so I guess i'll go to brd...
whiskey girl, a-go-go | Homepage | 06.23.07 - 2:54 am | #
Not true. I checked out your tune on myspace.
Yep, turn it into a Sausage Fest and the ladies leave. Almost as bad as running out of toilet paper.
How many times has this happened to me?
rorschach, infogit | Homepage | 06.23.07 - 2:57 am | #
I'm gonna guess zero! You're smart, funny & cute. The world is your oyster -- or in this case: your *virtual box.*
And now, I really must go to bed.
About 8 inches long, 4 inches in diameter, the ability to get erect in 10 or so seconds...
Now there's a penis to be envious of...
Janeane The Acerbic Goblin | 06.23.07 - 2:51 am | #
"hey - hey, everybody . . . Betty Cocker . . ."
No flirting!
Flint,Wossamata U. Alum. | 06.23.07 - 2:58 am | #
A bit late for that.
Good night.
whiskey girl, a-go-go | Homepage | 06.23.07 - 2:57 am | #
Sigh.
How many times has this happened to me?
rorschach, infogit
Sheesh, I'm off nattering with Darryl about Civil War art while all this is going on. Darryl, honey sweetie buddy pal, 'scuze me, I gotta...um, get another drink, yeah that's the ticket.
[slides off to listen in on other conversation]
Yep, turn it into a Sausage Fest and the ladies leave. Almost as bad as running out of toilet paper.
Nah. Sarah knows it's all hot air and that we'll burn ourselves out in 10...9...8...7...
no one ever flirts with me.
Not true. I checked out your tune on myspace.
Gilly Gonzylon | 06.23.07 - 2:59 am | #
Thanks!
G'night you fuckers.
And when I say "you fuckers", I mean all of you who are fucking.
G'night you fuckers.
And when I say "you fuckers", I mean all of you who are fucking.
Mr French | 06.23.07 - 3:02 am | #
French, FU, and much love.
I love all you peniii. Truly.
G'night you fuckers.
And when I say "you fuckers", I mean all of you who are fucking.
Mr French | 06.23.07 - 3:02 am | #
Umm, my wife wouldn't care for those kind of multi-tasking skills in the sack.
and..huh? Ladies all leave when the toilet paper is all gone? Never heard that one. Guess it makes sense.
I'm gonna guess zero! You're smart, funny & cute. The world is your oyster -- or in this case: your *virtual box.*
And now, I really must go to bed.
whiskey girl, a-go-go | Homepage | 06.23.07 - 3:00 am | #
Ahem! Oh my...
*blush*
no one ever flirts with me.
I just rubbed my left breast against your right tricep. Better?
I'm really worried about coming up with the proper shade of paint to accent my new hardwood floor. Perhaps wainscotting to accent and separate,
or some sort of faux finish.
It's importtant to carry the color scheme throughout, without being too regimented.
and..huh? Ladies all leave when the toilet paper is all gone? Never heard that one. Guess it makes sense.
Sarah Deere, Not Complacent | 06.23.07 - 3:04 am |
Oh, the college parties...
This all started when I mentioned that a guy will automatically flex when a woman touches his upper arm....
no one ever flirts with me.
WalterNeff, fit as a fiddle | 06.23.07 - 3:01 am |
Look to to the right-hand side of your computer screen. Ole' Mikey and his rubber glove are flirting with us all.
About 8 inches long, 4 inches in diameter, the ability to get erect in 10 or so seconds...
You should try the LJ special. The chicka is on top and pushes south. If you have Zen control over your penis your task is to keep it up, but not too rigid. The base of the penis wraps around the clitoris. The said chicka can control both the rhythm and stimulation. You will get many a repeat customer. However, you may get scarring at the base of your penis. Typically, you need at least eight inches to accomplish this.
and..huh? Ladies all leave when the toilet paper is all gone? Never heard that one. Guess it makes sense.
Sarah Deere, Not Complacent
You folks of the Female Persuasion
have lower allowable filth levels than we do.
This all started when I mentioned that a guy will automatically flex when a woman touches his upper arm....
Yep. It feels good to think about it all over again, too.
However, you may get scarring at the base of your penis.
I do not understand any of this. Really.
Believe I will go out and wander around the yard for a while. Later.
This all started when I mentioned that a guy will automatically flex when a woman touches his upper arm....
Gilly Gonzylon | 06.23.07 - 3:06 am | #
Nah. I tend to automatically flinch.
You should try the LJ special. The chicka is on top and pushes south. If you have Zen control over your penis your task is to keep it up, but not too rigid. The base of the penis wraps around the clitoris. The said chicka can control both the rhythm and stimulation. You will get many a repeat customer. However, you may get scarring at the base of your penis. Typically, you need at least eight inches to accomplish this.
Le Jackel | Homepage | 06.23.07 - 3:07 am |
I'm gonna go out on a limb and say that the LJ special is still in the planning stages.
Le Jackel | Homepage | 06.23.07 - 3:07 am |
I'm gonna go out on a limb and say that the LJ special is still in the planning stages.
Canned Good | 06.23.07 - 3:09 am | #
And that its proponent is rather... unfamiliar with sex.
I'm gonna go out on a limb and say that the LJ special is still in the planning stages.
Canned Good |
Guy's one one of those Pentagon Research grants ... studying Theoretical Sex...
Like all Rethuglicans.
However, you may get scarring at the base of your penis. Typically, you need at least eight inches to accomplish this.
Le Jackel | Homepage | 06.23.07 - 3:07 am |
Sounds like your fucking a knothole in a wooden plank.
Typically, you need at least eight inches to accomplish this.
The scarring? Why would you want scarring?
Nah. I tend to automatically flinch.
Think that comes from having a job where touching is, for the most part, verboten?
Sounds like your fucking a knothole in a wooden plank.
Lab Coat Larry | 06.23.07 - 3:13 am | #
Whack!
Whadja do that for??!!??
"Me checkum for bees!"
Believe I will go out and wander around the yard for a while. Later.
Sarah Deere, Not Complacent
and a smoke.
and back to bed
(ice cream goood!)
.
The scarring? Why would you want scarring?
One wouldn't.
(ice cream goood!)
What a great idea. I'm hungry and thought I have no food. But I do have ice-cream.
Think that comes from having a job where touching is, for the most part, verboten?
pez clown | 06.23.07 - 3:15 am | #
I ain't got no job!
But, yeah, as a prof I'm very careful to maintain that distance.
Unlike many skeezy professors I've known.
Echidne of the snakes
Hit the spot!
.
The scarring? Why would you want scarring?
Well, you don't. But a rock-hard clit is in fact rock-hard.
I am writing a Rock Opera.
It rocks.
Go to my homepage to ROCK!
Rock operas never rock, by definition.
The scarring? Why would you want scarring?
Well, you don't. But a rock-hard clit is in fact rock-hard.
Le Jackel | Homepage | 06.23.07 - 3:25 am |
Now it sounds like your fucking a bag of pea gravel. You and the inanimate objects!
But, yeah, as a prof I'm very careful to maintain that distance.
The Umpire of Ice Cream.
Diaz's Bag With Maoist Slogan Raises Ire
Peru (AP) - Actress Cameron Diaz appears to have committed a major fashion faux pas in Peru. The voice of Princess Fiona in the animated "Shrek" films may have inadvertently offended Peruvians who suffered decades of violence from a Maoist guerrilla insurgency by touring here Friday with a bag emblazoned with one of Mao Zedong's favorite political slogans.
Rock operas never rock, by definition.
Mine does.
I'm very proud of it.
I am writing a Rock Opera.
It rocks.
Go to my homepage to ROCK!
Its' so good! What's it's name?
While exploring the Inca city of Machu Picchu high in Peru's Andes, Diaz wore over her shoulder an olive green messenger bag emblazoned with a red star and the words "Serve the People" printed in Chinese on the flap, perhaps Chinese Communist leader Mao's most famous political slogan.
The Umpire of Ice Cream.
Thers | Homepage | 06.23.07 - 3:29 am | #
That I am.
And I know thirteen ways of looking at a blackboard.
While the bags are marketed as trendy fashion accessories in some world capitals, the phrase has particular resonance in Peru, where the Maoist Shining Path insurgency brought Peru to edge of chaos in the 1980s and early 1990s with a campaign of massacres, assassinations and bombings.
Nearly 70,000 people were killed during the insurgency.
Go to my homepage to ROCK!
Funny. Not believable, though. The secret would be whether one writes receive or recieve.
A prominent Peruvian human rights activist said the star of "There's Something About Mary" should have been a little more aware of local sensitivities when picking her accessories.
"It alludes to a concept that did so much damage to Peru, that brought about so many victims," said Pablo Rojas about the bag's slogan. "I don't think she should have used that bag where the followers of that ideology" did so much damage.
Just checked out your rock opera post, Thers. I think DWD might sue you for plagiarism.
Its' so good! What's it's name?
"Warren."
Its' so good! What's it's name?
"Warren."
Warren Peas?
While exploring the Inca city of Machu Picchu high in Peru's Andes, Diaz wore over her shoulder an olive green messenger bag emblazoned with a red star and the words "Serve the People" printed in Chinese on the flap, perhaps Chinese Communist leader Mao's most famous political slogan.
screw | 06.23.07 - 3:31 am
Maoist Peruvians. Incan Chinamen. Cherokee Scotsman. English Muscovites.
Funny. Not believable, though. The secret would be whether one writes receive or recieve.
Echidne of the snakes | Homepage | 06.23.07 - 3:33 am | #
I'm not sure whether you're implying something or I'm inferring something...
Earlier tonight, I gasped and hurriedly muted the TV and Miriam just started laughing because she knew why.
Someone said "very unique."
Its' so good! What's it's name?
"Warren."
Warren Peas?
Warren Terra.
Warren Terra.
I'm Warren Out.
Someone said "very unique."
Well, it might have been just somewhat unique. It's possible, innit?
And the Dystopia sucks! All the world is like New Jersey, but now only more so, and it doesn't smell half so good. There are horrible mutants and shit and nobody makes fun of Glenn Reynolds anymore.
Aw now c'mon. One can be implausible in rock, one can be quite silly in opera, one can be downright ludicrous in combinations thereof. But there is at least a moral obligation to maintain some level of contact with Reality As Humans Experience It, and that last line just goes right over the edge.
I'm down with the apostrophe stuff though. Plus there is always the possibility of a sequel involving verb/case agreement if you're thinking long term.
Someone said "very unique."
Was he a big giant?
Is "Screw" a blog-bot that just posts random news clippings? Wasn't he/she/it here last weekend in the AM posting random news items?
Well, it might have been just somewhat unique. It's possible, innit?
Echidne of the snakes | Homepage | 06.23.07 - 3:37 am | #
Gah!
[Gouges own eyes out]
[Gouges own eyes out]
Save them. I'm thinking of putting my dog on raw meat diet and they recommend eyeballs and so on.
Scrod is the pluperfect subjunctive of screw, isn't it?
Someone said "very unique."
Well, it might have been just somewhat unique. It's possible, innit?
Echidne of the snakes |
I think it was extremely unique,
irreguardless of what you may think.
I thank you all. I hope it is all very competent masterwork.
Scrod is the pluperfect subjunctive of screw, isn't it?
pez clown |
Naw. It's a fish. And the punchline of a joke involving Boston cabdrivers.
My cats have loaned out their legs to the Cat Leg Continuum.
Scrod is a very young cod. Or so they sell it in Boston.
I think it was extremely unique,
irreguardless of what you may think.
Flint,Wossamata U. Alum
Please do not get into flammatory/inflammatory arguments at this hour of the morning.
Who knew that "inflammatory" means "flammatory"?
/Dr. Nick
Scrod is a very young cod. Or so they sell it in Boston.
Echidne of the snakes
Scrod is what Rod is when he gets caught screwing around on his wife.
Xan reminded me that I should go to bed. Or to a bed setting, perhaps.
Please do not get into flammatory/inflammatory arguments at this hour of the morning.
It's all irrelevant, anyway.
Just wanted to pop in to say hello and probably good night...
My network was acting silly...
I would have liked to see Richard Wagner write a rock opera, and the film version be directed by Ken Russell...
How many words are there like "cleave"? Words which have opposite meanings.
My network was acting silly...
So were we.
Rocks can't sing.
About 8 inches long, 4 inches in diameter, the ability to get erect in 10 or so seconds...
Now there's a penis to be envious of...
Janeane The Acerbic Goblin | 06.23.07 - 2:51 am | #
with all due respect, that's just a bit...much.....too much...
Sarah Deere, Not Complacent | 06.23.07 - 2:55 am | #
A bit of an exaggeration...
How many words are there like "cleave"? Words which have opposite meanings.
Echidne of the snakes | Homepage | 06.23.07 - 3:47 am | #
Anxious
Clip
Assume
Left
Quite
Root
That's the ones what spring ta mind.
My cats have all of your cat's legs and are using them to thunder about my apartment, stopping by to strafe me each go round.
Xan reminded me that I should go to bed. Or to a bed setting, perhaps.
Echidne of the snakes
I wish to revise, extend, or at least obliterate whatever I said which gave you this impression.
Also somebody was looking for you earlier today with a question/comment/I dunno what on the subject of embroidery. Having no recollection of who it was I am not sure why I am passing this along except that it just occured to me.
Oh, also:
Impregnable
I'm no good at embroidery.
I think I'll just go to bed.
Good night, fourlegs.
Xan, you mentioned that it was morning. That's when I realized I hadn't been asleep yet. Probably should try.
All embroidery questions cheerfully answered at my e-mail address, by the way. To be found at my website. Which is found at the top of my blog. Devious, I am.
Then there are words which change meanings entirely if capitalized...
[okay, since I'm sure you were going to ask: Polish/polish]
Thanks for that list, ror. It's fascinating that a word can totally change its meaning that way.
Thanks for that list, ror. It's fascinating that a word can totally change its meaning that way.
Echidne of the snakes | Homepage | 06.23.07 - 3:54 am | #
It is an odd facet of language, and I don't think it is at all superficial.
Jacques Derrida, in fact, writes at length about the meanings suggested by the Greek word "pharmakon," which means both medicine and poison.
hi Ror! feeling better I hope?
Quite, mimi. Thank you.
[wipes sudden spurt of perspiration from forehead] Ah, thanks Echidne, I was trying to think what I might have said that could have been misconscrod.
misconscrod
Stealing this one.
Good night, sweet bats. I'm going to see if Insomnia is still tossing around in my bed.
[okay, since I'm sure you were going to ask: Polish/polish]
Xan | Homepage | 06.23.07 - 3:54 am | #
Also: Catholic/catholic.
And what does 'table' mean when used a verb? The British use it to mean that a particular topic is up for discussion. Americans understand it to mean that action and/or discussion of that topic has been deferred indefinitely.
Jacques Derrida, in fact, writes at length about the meanings suggested by the Greek word "pharmakon," which means both medicine and poison.
rorschach, infogit
Rors, what is it about "Derrida" that seems to make the very name something that gets people's bowels in an uproar? It seems like i see him mocked everywhere, and yet--as in this case--when I see specific examples of his ideas cited they so often seem to be insightful and entirely reasonable? Christ, anybody who has gone through a cancer, their own or someone close, knows the relation between "medicine" and "poison".
And what does 'table' mean when used a verb? The British use it to mean that a particular topic is up for discussion. Americans understand it to mean that action and/or discussion of that topic has been deferred indefinitely.
Johnathan W. Astor | Homepage | 06.23.07 - 4:03 am | #
It can mean either. But, yes, your notions about the Anglo vs. American usages are correct.
the word Gift in German means poison, so be careful
I'm going back to sleep. I have a headache.
Ho Lee Crap it's 3 in the fuckin' ayem. I guess I had better....get only half a drink this next time, so as not to let anything get wasted if I should fall face down over the keyboard anytime soon.
Xan--
For one thing, it's his style, which many find ridiculously obscure.
For another, he's become associated with all the depredations of crazy relativist academic leftwing notions (inaccurately, I think).
He's mostly just become kind of a shorthand for poststructuralist weirdness and intellectual abstruseness, I think.
I guess I had better....get only half a drink this next time, so as not to let anything get wasted if I should fall face down over the keyboard anytime soon.
Xan | Homepage | 06.23.07 - 4:07 am | #
Very wise. Cuz you can always get another half drink if need be.
And what about 'anesthetic'? Is that something you take so you won't care how things look?
And what about 'anesthetic'? Is that something you take so you won't care how things look?
Johnathan W. Astor | Homepage | 06.23.07 - 4:11 am | #
And what's the deal with homework?
It's not like you're working on your home!
I painted the deck and put in a retaining wall and a patio. Now I've got a bartender who wants to rent the place.
Fine. I'l shut up then.
Hush, Phila.
He's mostly just become kind of a shorthand for poststructuralist weirdness and intellectual abstruseness, I think.
rorschach, infogit
Ah. I got it now. There are similar people/terms in historical writing so I get what the problem is.
Of course the problem for me is that I have only the vaguest notion of what "poststructuralist" means as such terms are sort of beyond my range of hearing as it were. But i get the drift. More or less.
Thankee kindly. (stirs half-drink with finger).
Of course the problem for me is that I have only the vaguest notion of what "poststructuralist" means as such terms are sort of beyond my range of hearing as it were. But i get the drift. More or less.
Thankee kindly. (stirs half-drink with finger).
Xan | Homepage | 06.23.07 - 4:23 am | #
I can offer a thumbnail explanation of poststructuralism if you so desire.
That's more of a threat than an offer, of course.
Rors, what is it about "Derrida" that seems to make the very name something that gets people's bowels in an uproar?
Not that anyone's here, but Derrida-bashing is very popular on the Right, and among analytic/positivist American academics, and among a lot of...um...overoptimistic science types. Which is pretty much everyone who counts.
I like him well enough, though I have to confess that a lot of his concerns don't interest me much. But "The Gift of Death" is a great book, IMO. "Rogues" is quite good, too.
Goddamn fuckin' fuck.
(Starts to nod in Phila's direction, hoping owl-eyed expression will be taken for one of wisdom rather than drunkenness, then reconsiders.)
Yeah, I tend to like Derrida less for his specific concerns than for his style and methodology.
Although, finally, his atemporality and elitism piss me off.
(Starts to nod in Phila's direction, hoping owl-eyed expression will be taken for one of wisdom rather than drunkenness, then reconsiders.)
Xan | Homepage | 06.23.07 - 4:29 am | #
What I mean he's he's an easy target for douchebag ideologues, because attacking makes them seem principled and clever, and most of their audience is never gonna read him, let alone make any real effort to understand him.
I'm drunk, exhausted, and catastrophically depressed, so make whatever expressions you want...
Phila, would you be so kind as to define "overoptimistic science types" in terms of this conversation, and Rors, if you could do the same for "atemporality" as it relates to Derrida?
Thank you.
(who was it mentioned "homework" above?)
Although, finally, his atemporality and elitism piss me off.
rorschach, infogit | Homepage | 06.23.07 - 4:30 am | #
Stuff like "Glas" is intolerable, I think. But I've lost most of whatever tolerance I had for hermeticism.
He'a a Frenchman whose written a few books explaining in much too much detail why he can't be bothered to learn English.
Derrida's notions of language have to do with the utter dissolution of meaning in language due to the fact that every word contains within it infinite associations with other words.
I find this to be a traditional idealist perspective which divorces language from historical, social, and cultural contexts.
Phila, would you be so kind as to define "overoptimistic science types" in terms of this conversation
People who believe that a) that science is more or less synonymous with "objectivity"; b) cultural, economic, gender, racial, and other biases don't really enter into it; and c) it's moving us ever closer to the truth and/or a better life.
But I've lost most of whatever tolerance I had for hermeticism.
Phila, Pizen Sarpint | Homepage | 06.23.07 - 4:33 am | #
Yeah, I don't read him much anymore. But I did like his prose for its "play" in Gadamer's sense of the word.
Phila, can't do anything about the drunkenness (yours, I mean; my own I can work on some more as needs be) and if you were all that exhausted you probably wouldn't be here now...but nothing clears up depression like a good rousing debate, so "lay on MacDuff, and curs'd be he who first cries 'Hold, enough!'"
If nobody translated any of his books, he wouldn't have to write more books explaining what's wrong the translations.
Yeah, I don't read him much anymore. But I did like his prose for its "play" in Gadamer's sense of the word.
rorschach, infogit | Homepage | 06.23.07 - 4:36 am | #
The one thing I find unforgiveable is his essay on Benjamin's "Critique of Violence," where he tries to equate "bloodless expiation" a la Benjamin with the Holocaust...which is not only utter bullshit, but really rather vicious.
But for all that Derrida is divorced from historical realities, he did nurture Gayatri Spivak, which is very interesting.
Kinda like Foucault and Said, only more direct and personal.
The one thing I find unforgiveable is his essay on Benjamin's "Critique of Violence," where he tries to equate "bloodless expiation" a la Benjamin with the Holocaust...which is not only utter bullshit, but really rather vicious.
Phila, Pizen Sarpint | Homepage | 06.23.07 - 4:39 am | #
Pfeh.
[That's the sound of me spitting.]
Agreed.
He's like Dr. Pepper. He made a career out of being misunderstood.
curs'd be he who first cries 'Hold, enough!'"
Xan | Homepage | 06.23.07 - 4:37 am | #
That's probably gonna be me, sad to say, 'cause I've been awake just about long enough....
And while I'm spitting, Derrida's attempts to show that Marx was actually Derridean (in Spectres of Marx)?
Almost completely bullshit.
Derrida's notions of language have to do with the utter dissolution of meaning in language due to the fact that every word contains within it infinite associations with other words.
So he has given up writing books on account of their slavish and pedestrian dependency on language, which is meaningless, and now conveys his ideas by means of hand-waving and inarticulate grunts?
(Hi Johnathan, not meaning to ignore you but Rors and Phil are old pals.)
Agreed.
rorschach, infogit | Homepage | 06.23.07 - 4:41 am | #
Absolutely can't imagine what the fuck he was thinking...especially since he seemed to have no problem giving de Man the benefit of the doubt...
(Hi Johnathan, not meaning to ignore you but Rors and Phil are old pals.)
Xan | Homepage | 06.23.07 - 4:43 am | #
At least one of whom hasn't seen you around much lately. What gives?
So he has given up writing books on account of their slavish and pedestrian dependency on language, which is meaningless, and now conveys his ideas by means of hand-waving and inarticulate grunts?
(Hi Johnathan, not meaning to ignore you but Rors and Phil are old pals.)
Xan | Homepage | 06.23.07 - 4:43 am | #
Well, that, plus death.
But, no, his style considered torturous by many is very cleverly contrived to demonstrate the (false) ontological assumptions that underlie even our most basic words, like "the."
Absolutely can't imagine what the fuck he was thinking...especially since he seemed to have no problem giving de Man the benefit of the doubt...
Phila, Pizen Sarpint | Homepage | 06.23.07 - 4:44 am | #
Weird shit, that.
Of course, I find most everything about de Man to be pretty fucking odd.
Jeffers is missing out...
Phila, circumstances require that I fine, um, work. As in the paying kind as opposed to the Internet stuff which has been my playing field for all these years. Rural west Tennessee is not perhaps the best place to seek an outlet for my limited range of talents, but that's where I'm at.
Today I applied at the newspaper, the electric company, and the county sheriff's office, which is looking for a jailer. My experience in this field is lacking but better to be on this side of the bars than the other.
This conversation is pointless because Derrida's use of language was Derrida's.
We attach meaning to his words from our imprecise definitions, obliterating their meanings.
Or I could be full o crap.
Possession is nine tenths of the law. Nine tenths of philosophy is grammar.
My experience in this field is lacking but better to be on this side of the bars than the other.
Xan | Homepage | 06.23.07 - 4:50 am | #
This is most definitely true.
This conversation is pointless because Derrida's use of language was Derrida's.
That's nonsense. It'd mean we can never say anything meaningful about anything anyone ever writes or says.
Phila, circumstances require that I fine, um, work. As in the paying kind as opposed to the Internet stuff which has been my playing field for all these years. Rural west Tennessee is not perhaps the best place to seek an outlet for my limited range of talents, but that's where I'm at.
Oy. I can relate to that. I had two companies keeping me on retainer for the last few years, but now they're both on hiatus (at best), which means I'm scrambling around trying to find something I can do without having to drive daily from my own rural locale to the Big City. Which is seeming impossible so far. But as George W. Bush might say, failure's not an option
There is meaning, but not absolute truth. There are approximations.
Or I could be full o crap.
trifecta
Heya tri! After this Derrida discussion I don't think the source of the crap is you.
There is meaning, but not absolute truth. There are approximations.
trifecta | Homepage | 06.23.07 - 4:54 am | #
How very Derridean of you!
That's nonsense. It'd mean we can never say anything meaningful about anything anyone ever writes or says.
rorschach, infogit
(gestures frantically but inarticulately. Stomps emphatically. Spits. Points body part in Rors' direction.)
I took a college class on Derrida.
Jacques Derrida and the Heretic Hermeneutic.
The professor was a bit full of herself. I find his work interesting, but mostly irrelevant to my life.
Just like getting into these discussions and bugging people.
Points body part in Rors' direction.)
Xan | Homepage | 06.23.07 - 4:57 am | #
I win!
Well, I mean, which parts?
I hate Derrida and I love Derrida can be expressing the same emotion.
One person feels challenged by Derrida, and expresses it as the word hate, the other could say it as love.
It could also be the same person at different times.
Or, I could be cranky from the baby waking me up and just talking out of my ass.
Phila, I don't suppose you have any background or interest in advertising sales for Internet magazines do you? We could solve both our problems in one swell foop....
I find his work interesting, but mostly irrelevant to my life.
That's pretty much my take on it too. Plus, I find that where it's most relevant (e.g., his notions of cosmopolitanism and hospitality) it's least original. I could just as well read Simone Weil, or Levinas...or the goddamn Bible, if it comes to that.
Oh, I put up a fresh picture of the baby yesterday afternoon, for anybody who enjoys cuteness.
Phila, I don't suppose you have any background or interest in advertising sales for Internet magazines do you? We could solve both our problems in one swell foop....
Xan | Homepage | 06.23.07 - 4:59 am | #
I've done a lot of writing about it (and marketing in general). But you know what they say: those who can't do, teach.
win!
Well, I mean, which parts?
rorschach, infogit
(points finger of one hand at other hand which grasps and flaps saggy postmenopausal tit. Sticks tongue out. Then turns back on Rors and lights cigarette.)
Night folks.
From behind and while smoking is teh hot.
I think I've gone too far.
This is really pretty infuriating.
I find his work interesting, but mostly irrelevant to my life.
That's pretty much my take on it too. Plus, I find that where it's most relevant (e.g., his notions of cosmopolitanism and hospitality) it's least original. I could just as well read Simone Weil, or Levinas...or the goddamn Bible, if it comes to that.
Phila, Pizen Sarpint | Homepage | 06.23.07 - 5:01 am | #
This is why I don't really read him anymore. But there was a point at which deconstructionism in general caused a bit of crisis for me, trying to figure out where we could go from there.
I've done a lot of writing about it (and marketing in general). But you know what they say: those who can't do, teach.
Phila, Pizen Sarpint |
Sigh. Yeah, me too. I can do the research, I can do the writing, my partner can do the layout and tech stuff...we can produce the product, we just have no fucking talent for the business end of this shit. If somebody would come along and offer to buy us out I would sell for 50 grand. Not much of a payoff for 12 years of 2 peoples lives, but ...sigh some more.
we just have no fucking talent for the business end of this shit.
I am definitely not gonna be the solution to that problem. I can force myself to do that stuff, and be successful at it up to a point, but it absolutely drains the life out of me.
Phila, that woman in the yogurt commercial is supposed to be fat??
Geez, I thought the US had the trophy for ridiculously thin ideal body image for women. Maybe we should consider this an accomplishment: We're Not No. 1! We're Not No. 1!
Sort of like how Tennessee is with Mississippi on the subject of school test scores and the like.
OK, I gotta turn in. G'nightttt.
Phila, that woman in the yogurt commercial is supposed to be fat??
Do not fucking get me started. The people who came up with that thing should be castrated.
Yeah, I'm about to turn it over to the morning crew too. Night all, thanks for the Derridian enlightenment, just to use two words that may have never gone together before.
It's sad, really. Even the most liberal Americains can't talk about sexuality without feeling, I don't know, icky and defensive. No wonder Don't Ask, Don't Tell is the policy of your military. No wonder gay marriage is anathema to most Americains. No wonder Americains are the largest consumers of child porn in the world. No wonder Americain soldiers rape and murder fourteen-year old Iraqi girls. I could go on and on and on.
Unless, you are truly free there, in the very core of your being, Bush and his successors will always rule you.
another thing about coming here with all you fine people is that I keep hearing Randy Newman's "It's Money That Matters" in the background.
Western World | Homepage | 06.23.07 - 5:27 am | #
Whatever you say, LJ.
Fuck Tena and Woody. Whining bitches.
and I now want a Velveeta on white grilled sammich with a bowl of Campbell's tomato soup.......
that can't be moonbootica, can it??
hey ror
hey Sarah
hey mimi
having problems sleeping?
that can't be moonbootica, can it??
Sarah Deere, Not Complacent | 06.23.07 - 5:35 am | #
No, it can't. A pathetic namestealer.
I'm trying to understand what happened at the EU Summit yesterday and what this mini-treaty is all about.
mimi, sleeping problems, yes. But, basically okay.
How's by you?
Huh, what are all of you doing up?
I had a terribly tumultuous week so I wasn't surprised that I was tired quite early last night. I feel hung-over despite not having had any alcohol to drink.
go fuck all your selves
Sarah, is that normal for you or is there something happening in your life that is stopping you from snoozing?
I had a terribly tumultuous week so I wasn't surprised that I was tired quite early last night. I feel hung-over despite not having had any alcohol to drink.
mimi | Homepage | 06.23.07 - 5:45 am | #
[passes drink to mimi]
Morning, all
I was reprimanded yesterday at the office because some people thought I had come in late. I didn't sign in to the inter-office chat until I had finished my morning teleconfs because i can't respond to the chat while I'm on the phone.
Nobody bothered to ask me first if I had indeed come in late.
My wife wants to know why I'm always out cruising rest areas.
I forgot to say, thanks for the drink Ror.
mimi, don't know if you know this, but my 12 yr old g'dtr has incurable cancer. There are times I do not sleep well, if at all.
I forgot to say, thanks for the drink Ror.
mimi | Homepage | 06.23.07 - 5:52 am | #
You are more than welcome. Mimosa, screwdriver, or bloody mary, your choice.
And that 5:51 "rorschach" post proves that the namestealing moron is still around.
oh of course, Sarah. I'm so sorry.
Do you have a counselor you are seeing?
mimi...sorry about the work thing. People can be such idiots.
Gee, that test gravatar looks kind of sucky. I think I'll change it back to the dog.
And that 5:51 "rorschach" post proves that the namestealing moron is still around.
rorschach, infogit | Homepage | 06.23.07 - 5:54 am | #
indeed. Creep. What a life they have, eh? Evil is banal.
mimi, no counselor, but suppose I better get one, eh?
thanks Sarah, but you just put my problems into perspective.
My wife doesn't even ask me what I'm doing in a chat room at 4:00 in the morning.
I have insomnia.
That's my craiglist nym.
mimi, no counselor, but suppose I better get one, eh?
Sarah Deere, Not Complacent | 06.23.07 - 5:56 am | #
They can't hurt, and they can, on occasion, help.
My wife doesn't even ask me what I'm doing in a chat room at 4:00 in the morning.
I have insomnia.
That's my craiglist nym.
rorschach, infogit | Homepage | 06.23.07 - 5:57 am | #
Namestealing moron. My wife is sitting just a couple feet to my left.
An early morning namestealer? Wow. Talk about not having a life.
Sarah, my life has been greatly affected by death.
The best advice I ever got was from a grief counselor I knew in another context that said that I had the time to say good-bye to my loved one. I realized that it was time that I should not waste.
You're this dumb always? Or is it a internet thing?
Morning peeps.
Have we decided which branch of government Dick works for yet?
My wife is only a foot away.
Sexy.
Have we decided which branch of government Dick works for yet?
ql-white haired | Homepage | 06.23.07 - 6:01 am | #
I'm just praying that it's not the nudi-branch.
For Moe.
Monbiot recommends that we stop flying if we are going seriously attack global warming.
Oh sweet mother.
Don't let her finf out about the nudibranch
LOL
eewww, you guys used "nude" and "cheney" in the same sentence. brain bleach, quick!
You namestealers need to stop it.
Morning ql, and you 28 others.
I'll read it right now.
Some other guy says the same thing:
The Environment Canada figures for GHG emissions attributed to air travel from Nova Scotia aren't all that bad: in 2004 domestic aviation contributed 490 kilotonnes of GHG in the province, about two percent of the total.
But those figures are just about meaningless. First, like all other GHG inventories, they completely ignore international travel, which from the Halifax airport accounts for over 20 percent of all passenger flights. And these flights tend to be longer, meaning they probably emit much more in the way of GHG.
Second, as a 1999 IPCC report details, because of the way GHG and planes behave in the upper atmosphere, in addition to the substantial GHG emissions from airplanes there is a multiplier of 2.7 in terms of their effect.
As a result, air travel has staggeringly negative effects when it comes to climate change: a single roundtrip flight from Halifax to Havana produces the equivalent effect of 1.5 tonnes of CO2 per passenger. For a round-trip to Vancouver, figure just over two tonnes.
In terms of global warming, the Environment Canada figures are off by about a factor of three. Add in the international flights and the real climate change effect is probably more like four or five times as bad as the official figures say. If so, flights to and from Halifax are already doing about as much damage as all the car and SUV travel in the province.
Even worse, we're flying lots more each year. Figures from the Stanfield International Airport show that over just the last six years, the number of passengers has increased 23 percent. The largest increase, over 33 percent, came in the highest GHG emitting category—very long, non-US international flights. Airport officials expect these increases to continue into the foreseeable future.
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he he he, you know that's not me. I hyphenate every-thing, and never capitalize my name.
continued...
Worldwide, if the projected increase in air travel is not checked, by 2050 it will be the single largest component of human GHG emissions.
There are potential design innovations for achieving drastic cuts in airline GHG emissions, but those technological fixes are at best several decades away, more likely even longer, if ever.
The only way, then, to achieve overall GHG cuts of the size needed is to buck the trend and avoid flying, nearly completely.
Flights across Canada and into the US can be replaced with rail and bus service, but these modes of transportation have been badly neglected for so long they'll need massive public subsidies to become an attractive transportation alternative.
But in terms of cross-Atlantic and other long distant flights, there really isn't any viable low-emission alternative. Ocean liners emit even more GHG than do airplanes. George Monbiot, author of Heat: How toStop the Planet from Burning, bravely argues for the building of a new fleet of zeppelins, which would take two or three days to cross the Atlantic, but that suggestion seems more whimsical than serious.
We'll simply have to give up overseas travels.
Business- and academic-related air travel can easily be replaced with teleconferencing, although businesspeople and academics will have to give up a perk of the job. More difficult will be giving up flying for family vacations.
Some generous kitties for the morning crew!
(And yes, the namestealer is tiresome.)
But you are all the bees-knees.
Except for Phila. What an asshole.
he he he, you know that's not me. I hyphenate every-thing, and never capitalize my name.
mimi | Homepage | 06.23.07 - 6:08 am | #
Indeed.
And I'd sooner shoot myself in the head than type "LOL."
What isn't tiresomne, how much time I spemd here.
That's not at all tiresome.
Screw all of yew.
okay, time to go food shopping before all the shops close at 13:00 like in Germany.
Ror, Sarah thanks for the good cheer.
I win
okay, time to go food shopping before all the shops close at 13:00 like in Germany.
Ror, Sarah thanks for the good cheer.
mimi | Homepage | 06.23.07 - 6:15 am | #
Shoppen Sie gut!
No weight, go screw yourself.
Then shop well.
I know the truth
So, I am doing the Doom Brothers. This is a legitimate news story exactly as written off the AP wire, "LIMA, Peru -- Peru's Congress has voted overwhelmingly to lower the age to 14 for participating in consensual sex, a move some activists said could expose children to sexual abuse.
Lawmakers voted 70-10 on Thursday to approve the measure lowering the age at which criminal law recognizes the legal capacity of a person to consent to sexual activity. It was previously 17."
Now, how does one parody that?
I am DWD and I bring you the truth about.....
Wait a second.......
The hell you say.
That's fucked up
DWD-- doesn't it depend? I mean, in some places, 15 year old kids get locked up for fooling around with each other in the back seat. Lowering the age of consent recognizes the reality of teenage sex. It whould be coupled with strong laws against predatory sex-- i.e., you can't have sex with someone under 18 unless they're within four years of age of you, or something like that.
$3.2 Billion Move by Bear Stearns to Rescue Fund
A hedge fund’s near-collapse stems directly from bad bets on subprime mortgages and is the biggest such bailout since 1998.
Darnie! The greed biz just ain't what it used to be!
"LIMA, Peru -- Peru's Congress has voted overwhelmingly to lower the age to 14 for participating in consensual sex, a move some activists said could expose children to sexual abuse.
Lawmakers voted 70-10 on Thursday to approve the measure lowering the age at which criminal law recognizes the legal capacity of a person to consent to sexual activity. It was previously 17."
Now, how does one parody that?
DWD | Homepage | 06.23.07 - 6:20 am | #
I wouldn't parody that.
Most people I know had sex before the "age of consent." It's an absurd legal fiction that needs to be replaced by laws that address the real world.
morning, all.
mimi, sorry 'bout that work nastiness. You pro'ly excelled in an area that threatened somebody nasty, my usual experience.
Kitty feet are substitute moths, rors. When not in use by kitty. My jocabel likes to use one to keep me from walking off. She's up at the homepage, tho barely. She doesn't like being photo'ed.
Hi, Sarah,
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DWD-- doesn't it depend? I mean, in some places, 15 year old kids get locked up for fooling around with each other in the back seat. Lowering the age of consent recognizes the reality of teenage sex. It whould be coupled with strong laws against predatory sex-- i.e., you can't have sex with someone under 18 unless they're within four years of age of you, or something like that.
Moe Szyslak | Homepage | 06.23.07 - 6:23 am | #
You know, what you say makes sense up until it's your daughter. And then everything gets all fucked up.
Interesting list of Democrats voting to continue funding for the School of the Americas. The vote was 214 to 203.
Dems voting to fund include Murtha, Dingell, Spratt, and Murphy with Rangel, and Sanchez abstaining.
http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2007/...007/
roll536.xml
Moe, your article is great. pat me on the head, pls, I'm driving to my nephew's wedding in CO then on to Abq and back. In a Honda. It's pollution, but bicycling would not get me there in time. And I'll type LOL if it suits me, so there! rors, cliche snob.
And I'll type LOL if it suits me, so there! rors, cliche snob.
Ruth | Homepage | 06.23.07 - 6:35 am | #
Hey, I never said anyone else shouldn't!
Parents often have trouble when their kids start having sex - it's one of those areas where adults project their hopes and fears onto their kids. Letting go of the illusion of control over the kids' bodies is a place to start.
You know, what you say makes sense up until it's your daughter. And then everything gets all fucked up.
Crackpot | 06.23.07 - 6:30 am | #
Ah, patriarchy.
plantsman, listening to a report about subprime loans with several interviews with victims, most reported that they had not had the fact explained to them that the payments would increase at a point in the future. Possible they didn't understand or were in denial, but seeing that loan officers' are making their income by the amount, not viability, of loans, seems possible.
Fourteen is way too young. If there is nothing in the law to curtail consent with anyone let's say 3 or 4 years older it is nothing more than legalizing predatory behavior.
hey ruth. going to bed in a few.
you impugn my tastes, rors, you stab me in the pedigree. snif.
you impugn my tastes, rors, you stab me in the pedigree. snif.
Ruth | Homepage | 06.23.07 - 6:39 am | #
FLIRTING!
Ruth, it seems all too possible. If someone's income depends on cutting deals and signing papers, regardless of the hellish minutiae, these things are bound to happen.
Speaking of encouraging predatory behavior: purity rings.
[pats Ruth on head]
Bi-sexual tramp!
Sarah, hope all is well as can be.
14 is too young, but have you tried telling a 14 year old she can just stop having those feelings? or dreams. Just put on the chastity belt and tie her in the closet. And hope.
Althouse's purity Onion ring might come in handy here.....
Speaking of encouraging predatory behavior: purity rings.
Moe Szyslak | Homepage | 06.23.07 - 6:41 am | #
Unprotected anal sex means you're still a virgin!
Thks, Moe. I also have been enjoying our pouring rain almost daily, have you extolled the virtues of showering in pure rainwater? 'course, it's about 80F here, too, but what a feeling!
And the Doom Brothers are updated for the 19th day in a row. Wonder how soon I will burn out this time?
http://doombrother.blogspot.com/
I did see my beautiful gdtr today. Each time I leave her, I go away with so much more than I came with. One of my joys is that I can still make her smile, grin, reflexively. I can still tell her stuff, tell her tales that make her eyes focus on mine and ask me questions.
She took me by surprise today by squirting me w/her spray bottle she uses to keep herself cool in the day's heat. She actually laughed when I hollered.
What a trooper.
I remember a wonderful waterfight w/her and her brother, my loverly gson, and mud pies.
Her parents came home to find us a complete mess. We were happy.
Going to bed now, dears. Thank you for letting me be among you.
XXOO/SD
Oh, I know you can't stop it, and there is nothing wrong with two fourteen year olds exploring. What is wrong is twenty, or thirty, or forty year olds going after young girls.
Only you know how soon, DWD. And can't one fairly say "14 would have been too young for ME", only?
G'night, Deere!
Sleep well.
What is wrong is twenty, or thirty, or forty year olds going after young girls.
ql-white haired | Homepage | 06.23.07 - 6:44 am | #
Um, or boys.
I know you're going to ask, plantsman, so let me tell ya: I have one last thing to finish on the garden, it'll take an hour today. Then, photos. It's looking great. That pest (forget its name) on the Swiss Chard, but I think I'm on top of it-- I planted some dill near it, which is supposed to attract the wasps which prey on the bugs. We'll see.
Good Gardener, Moe!
Police: Bomb Plot Aimed at Tricking Mom
Police say a man made a bomb and sent threats that scuttled plans for a graduation ceremony because he didn't want his mother to realize he had dropped out of college.
Good Gardener, Moe!
plantsman, kabiu gay dude | 06.23.07 - 6:48 am | #
"I like to watch."
night, Sarah, and thanks for letting us in.
Adapting to some pleasant (and some iffy) changes in my life. I tried valiantly to read and understand the manual that came with the HDTV and set it up right for the cable -- but all I ended up feeling was stupid and frustrated. The Comcast tech saved the day!
ql, good point. The preying aspect of young girls getting freedoms is not familiar to me, I recall that grown men/women would have been embarrassed to be out in the open chasing young girls/boys. Of course, I also had a Sunday School teacher with 7 kids following me around at 16, but luckily was just put off enuff that I didn't get into trouble.
plantsman, Mr. QL is quite good with that kind of stuff and he had problems as well. We can't find the "last" key on the remote and we are beginning to believe that Comcast doesn't offer that feature. Sucks.
The band director at a grade school started putting moves on me when I was 11 or 12 - counting time on my tummy and thighs and such. Because I was to be gay, it was very confusing, cause he didn't turn me on at all, but I knew something was up -- just not how to handle it.
Of course, I also had a Sunday School teacher with 7 kids following me around at 16, but luckily was just put off enuff that I didn't get into trouble.
Ruth | Homepage | 06.23.07 - 6:54 am | #
Yeah, and as an altar boy, I was lucky to have avoided predators. One priest of mine (dead now), I am certain molested some of my friends.
It's really not about age, but about the age (and power) relationships between the people involved.
Blue laws, in general, don't work. But the idea of lowering, by statute, the age of consent to 14 is a step toward legalizing pedaphelia in my mind. I don't believe it is designed to stop children from exploring. If that were the case, laws would not be necessary - common sense would be.
"Last" key on my silver Comcast remote is in upper part of lower right hand quadrant, among a series of red-or-white oval buttons.
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DWD-- here in Canada, the age of consent for hetrosexual sex was just raised from 14 to 16, mostly because of predation by a bunch of Americans coming up. But, get this, the age of consent for "sodomy," i.e. gay sex, remains 18. There's a move to get it lowered to 16, treating all people equally. I'm not sure if that's been successful or not yet.
Well damn plantsman, it's right there. We kept looking upper left where there is a squiggly arrow. Thank you.
But the idea of lowering, by statute, the age of consent to 14 is a step toward legalizing pedaphelia in my mind. I don't believe it is designed to stop children from exploring. If that were the case, laws would not be necessary - common sense would be.
DWD
Yup.
I never told my girls when or where or how. Just that it was special and thus should be saved for a special time. I still don't know when they decided the time was right, but I'm pretty sure it wasn't in high school.
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But the idea of lowering, by statute, the age of consent to 14 is a step toward legalizing pedaphelia in my mind. I don't believe it is designed to stop children from exploring. If that were the case, laws would not be necessary - common sense would be.
DWD
Yup.
I never told my girls when or where or how. Just that it was special and thus should be saved for a special time. I still don't know when they decided the time was right, but I'm pretty sure it wasn't in high school.
ql-white haired | Homepage | 06.23.07 - 7:02 am | #
I get the sentiment, but don't understand the logic. I mean, you're illegalizing sex for 14 year old kids. This isn't "common sense," it is law, which can land people in jail.
Speaking of not being able to imagine things, wonder what Condi's up to?
It turns out that the bill to raise the age of consent hasn't been acted on yet. It's still 14 in Canada. There are good (although certainly, arguable) reasons for keeping it where it is: raising it will criminalize existing relationships, even marriages, will send teenage sex underground, will actually end up increasing child predation and child prostitution. Again, all these points are arguable, but it seems kind of simplistic to just pass a law against something that is a complex sociological issue.
I was 50 years old. I had acccepted an invitation from the family of a student of mine to a restaurant meal after her graduation. Rare for me because I find the rigamarole of college graduations tiresome. I usually watch from a distance and then go home. She and her very extended family all sat at this table with a wonderful view of the Hudson River. Her mother and father were there. Her mother was on one side of me and she was on the other side. And as I was telling her uncle, a doctor, what a wonderful student she was, she put her hand on my leg.
I suspect that with increasing distances/isolation adults have more opportunities to be paedophilic, pro'ly when society was more closeknit they would have had the supervision that kept impulses from becoming actions. But how anyone could be able to blind himself to the harm he's doing, I don't get.
If the age of consent is raised to 16, what do you do when a 15-year-old girl asks for birth control pills?
spinoza, a college graduate is one thing, a fourteen y.o. doing the same would be quite another.
Since Band-Aid sent production of Flexible Fabric
bandages offshore to China, the edges fray terribly within 24 hours. I bought some of their transparent banded "Perfect Blend" variety, Made in Brazil, but I'm not sure how well they'll work. We shall see.
As I said, I am not much in favor of Blue Laws anyway. What is a crime to one is fun to another. But I believe that protecting children from predation is a societal challenge. And lowering the age of consent is an invitation to predation.
Now the case in Georgia is just plain silly and should be thrown out or never should have gone this far. That is not what I am talking about at all. That one should have been dismissed by that common sense thingie.
moe, you give them to her because her periods are irregular or very painful or some other reason.
But how anyone could be able to blind himself to the harm he's doing, I don't get.
Ruth | Homepage | 06.23.07 - 7:10 am | #
(or she).
Exploitative sex really does baffle me, too.
But, y'know, lotsa people don't blind themselves to the harm their doing, but rather embrace it.
It's really not about age, but about the age (and power) relationships between the people involved.
_________
However, I notice a big difference in innocence between ages 14 and 16. At 14, kids can buy "don't tell anyone" where at 16 they would say "go f yourself, I'm not doing that".
spinoza, how vexing, you never knew you were so appealing to your students, hmmm?
That one should have been dismissed by that common sense thingie.
DWD | Homepage | 06.23.07 - 7:12 am | #
So you're in favor of passing and enforcing laws except when they conflict with your "common sense thingie"?
That's sound basis for jurisprudence.
If the age of consent is raised to 16, what do you do when a 15-year-old girl asks for birth control pills?
a person owns their own body regardless of age. It is not like one day she is chattel and another day a fracking full blown Joe Bieden piece of representative shit.
moe, you give them to her because her periods are irregular or very painful or some other reason.
ql
Well, maybe a good mother does that. But if a girl is in a relationship and isn't on those kind of terms with her mother, she goes to a clinic and asks. Maybe she's not wise to the euphanisms, she just says she wants birth control pills becuase she's already having sex with her boyfriend and doesn't want to get pregnant. I'd think that under age of consent laws, the doctor is obligated to call the cops.
However, I notice a big difference in innocence between ages 14 and 16. At 14, kids can buy "don't tell anyone" where at 16 they would say "go f yourself, I'm not doing that".
el | 06.23.07 - 7:13 am | #
I've seen 18 year olds more naive than some 14 year olds I've known.
Again I plead that these things are instance-specific, that's it's not and never has been easy to extrapolate what the "right age" for everyone is to begin to have intimate relations. Broad brushes, dears.
spinoza, how vexing, you never knew you were so appealing to your students, hmmm?
Classic nerd. She was wonderful.
spinoza, a college graduate is one thing, a fourteen y.o. doing the same would be quite another.
ql-white haired
I would have done the same thing at 16, though probably not 14, and been the aggressor completely of my own volition. I was borderline enough that this could have been suicide for a teacher who succumbed, and my mother would have had him hung, but I was totally able to have that intention and act on it.
Good Day, sane people.
Classic nerd with big hopes.
What did you do after she put her hand on your thigh?
However, I notice a big difference in innocence between ages 14 and 16. At 14, kids can buy "don't tell anyone" where at 16 they would say "go f yourself, I'm not doing that".
el
I think this is probably true, in general, but it's hard to generalize to all 14-year-olds. I guess you have to draw some kind of arbitrary line; I think 18 is absurd.
Classic nerd with big hopes.
The next year I was on sabbatical and I did not give a damn except for her touching my leg.
What did you do after she put her hand on your thigh?
I took huge risks.
My parents were the kind of hostile that I would never have told them anything, it was a given that they would have personally taken the 'buggy whip' to anyone who made improper advances toward me. Of course, once emancipated I was pretty wild.
And then there's my cousin-in-law, got knocked up by her professor: straight arrow Catholic, good family. Cousin's adoration was the catalyst.
On the new Erasure album, the singer and lyricist talks frequently about being "in love" and I was marvelling last night at how similar the experience seems to be between any two people, regardless of plumbing.
I took huge risks.
spinoza
Bom chicka-wow-wow . . .
Morning, kids.
We've built entire institutions around the reality of teenage sex, with the state purpose of trying to protect kids' health without their parents getting involved. Age of consent laws threaten that-- dad thinks boyfriend is a douchebag, demands that the cops arrest the doctor who ave his daughter birth control pills, etc. I don't know that we want to go down that road.
Good morning, Molly.
We're talking about teen sex.
How are you?
How's the ducks and garden, Dr. Molly?
Oh, I love this conversation. Look, education can be very sexy. You have to be careful about the power balance (after graduation is good), but there's something very hot about intellect and sex.
What teen sex? we're all adults here. Just a theoretical discussion. (puts headscarf straight)
Oh, I love this conversation. Look, education can be very sexy. You have to be careful about the power balance (after graduation is good), but there's something very hot about intellect and sex.
Molly Ivors, goes to 11 | Homepage | 06.23.07 - 7:25 am | #
I've had some very surprising "holy-shit-I've-gotta-distance-myself" moments.
Morning, rational people.
I don't know that we want to go down that road.
Moe Szyslak
It's a classic instance of trying to enforce morality with laws, instead of trying to reduce actual harm. I honestly don't know where the balance is. My own experience clouds my objectivity -- I was wild as hell, sneaky, and promiscuous; I knew exactly what I was doing.
Except I didn't: I ended up getting pregnant after an exceptionally lucky run of 3 years of getting away with it. In retrospect birth control would have been a really good idea for me, but in those ancient days it simply wasn't possible (except condoms, and I bought the old Can't Feel Anything excuse on that one).
I'm good. I haven't gardened in several days; maybe I'll get out there today. We candled the duck eggs--it looks like there's actual ducks in there.
Oh, I love this conversation. Look, education can be very sexy. You have to be careful about the power balance (after graduation is good), but there's something very hot about intellect and sex.
Molly Ivors, goes to 11 | Homepage | 06.23.07 - 7:25 am | #
Oh, thank you very much (blushes)
I've had some very surprising "holy-shit-I've-gotta-distance-myself" moments.
Yep. I've had my share of anonymous roses, and in my day, I threw myself shamelessly at more than one TA.
Virginia, I know whereof you speak. I wanted to have sex long before I did and found every opportunity to try to instigate it.
and in my day, I threw myself shamelessly at more than one TA.
Molly Ivors, goes to 11 | Homepage | 06.23.07 - 7:28 am | #
!!!
morning, Diane - at the homepage, our new Do What Feels Right presidency. God, they're mentally incontinent.
Glad you're back!
Yep. I've had my share of anonymous roses, and in my day, I threw myself shamelessly at more than one TA.
Molly Ivors, goes to 11 | Homepage | 06.23.07 - 7:28 am | #
Another case of anonymous roses turning into tulips on the organ
I was wild as hell, sneaky, and promiscuous; I knew exactly what I was doing.
My students are always very big on parental responsibility laws, until I ask them if they ever did things their parents didn't know about.
Darfur conflict heralds era of wars triggered by climate change, UN report warns
The conflict in Darfur has been driven by climate change and environmental degradation, which threaten to trigger a succession of new wars across Africa unless more is done to contain the damage, according to a UN report published yesterday.
"Darfur ... holds grim lessons for other countries at risk," an 18-month study of Sudan by the UN Environment Programme (UNEP) concludes.
With rainfall down by up to 30% over 40 years and the Sahara advancing by well over a mile every year, tensions between farmers and herders over disappearing pasture and evaporating water holes threaten to reignite the half-century war between north and south Sudan, held at bay by a precarious 2005 peace accord.
The southern Nuba tribe, for example, have warned they could "restart the war" because Arab nomads - pushed southwards into their territory by drought - are cutting down trees to feed their camels.
The UNEP investigation into links between climate and conflict in Sudan predicts that the impact of climate change on stability is likely to go far beyond its borders. It found there could be a drop of up to 70% in crop yields in the most vulnerable areas of the Sahel, an ecologically fragile belt stretching from Senegal to Sudan. "It illustrates and demonstrates what is increasingly becoming a global concern," said Achim Steiner, UNEP's executive director. "It doesn't take a genius to work out that as the desert moves southwards there is a physical limit to what [ecological] systems can sustain, and so you get one group displacing another."
Virginia, I know whereof you speak. I wanted to have sex long before I did and found every opportunity to try to instigate it.
plantsman, kabiu gay dude | 06.23.07 - 7:29 am | #
Oy.
My first sex occurred about 5 minutes after my first kiss...
And I was strongly attracted to brains and not much interested in looks, going back to adolescence, so I could have gotten some unwise teacher (I'm thinking about you, Mr. Glenn!) into a LOT of trouble.
In Dylan Thomas' Under Milk Wood the character Mrs. Organ Morgan has a great line, " Oh, it's organ, organ, all night long! I'm a martyr to music!"
I tried to find the minimum-age laws for teen sex in Austria. No luck yet, but I seem to remember that there is no minimum age law per se, only that if one partner is under a certain age, the other can only be within so many years of that age for it to be legal. So two 16 year olds, that's fine, but a 16 yr old and a 28 yr old is not. I don't know the exact numbers.
I wanted to have sex long before I did and found every opportunity to try to instigate it.
And it's the responsibility of the older person to decide whether to do it or not, based on the maturity level of the younger person.
But of course, that assumes it's not a predation situation.
So two 16 year olds, that's fine, but a 16 yr old and a 28 yr old is not. I don't know the exact numbers.
Marcellina
This is the approach that makes the most sense to me, assuming we have to set some kind of boundaries.
momma's got a squeeze box
daddy never sleeps at night
There was also talk a few years back of extending the age-difference allowance for gay men and lesbians.
I've had some very surprising "holy-shit-I've-gotta-distance-myself" moments.
________
One of my 14-year old piano students started wearing cologne to class, that was the end of physically moving his hands into position. On the keyboard, that is!
His mother wisely started attending every class, thank goodness. After about a year, the infatuation faded.
Keith Olberman has a 20 year old GF.
Moe, this aspect of the global warming affecting our relationships came up from UN's Moon - see http://cabdrollery.blogspot.com/
...osing+the+World
So today I find out if the vendors word is any good on making good on screwed-up orders. The parts (paid for) but left out of an order I received on Wednesday are sworn to arrive today. If they don't, I'll fume, surely - don't know what other recourse I'll have.
One of my 14-year old piano students started wearing cologne to class, that was the end of physically moving his hands into position. On the keyboard, that is!
And the beginning of physically moving his hands into position off the keyboard?
One of my 14-year old piano students started wearing cologne to class, that was the end of physically moving his hands into position. On the keyboard, that is!
His mother wisely started attending every class, thank goodness. After about a year, the infatuation faded.
el | 06.23.07 - 7:35 am | #
AXE Body spray.
A friend of mine had a fairly extended sexual relationship with our 7th-grade teacher.
I learned this years later. She was never caught, and he didn't seem to suffer any deleterious effects.
So today I find out if the vendors word is any good on making good on screwed-up orders. The parts (paid for) but left out of an order I received on Wednesday are sworn to arrive today. If they don't, I'll fume, surely - don't know what other recourse I'll have.
plantsman, kabiu gay dude | 06.23.07 - 7:36 am | #
A Saturday? Expectation is high....
Darfur conflict heralds era of wars triggered by climate change, UN report warns
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beyond politics,tribalism.
In the last score of years, conservatives seem to have given voice to some need they have to see others humiliated for moral lapses, while hiding their own as best they can.
mommy's alright
daddy's alright
they just seem a little weird
surrender
surrender
but dont give yourself away
hey! heyyy
In the last score of years, conservatives seem to have given voice to some need they have to see others humiliated for moral lapses, while hiding their own as best they can.
plantsman, kabiu gay dude
And from what I can judge they are some of the freakiest people on the planet.
Well, well. About 100 young people have gathered on the street below for a sit-in demonstration. They have a banner which says "Smash Capitalism!" Drums and chanting.
The police are there too, but everyone seems polite and cooperative.
And the beginning of physically moving his hands into position off the keyboard?
________
I wouldn't touch him with a 10 foot pole on or off the keyboard, or even look into his eyes. Light and pleasant with the words "watch out!" constantly in my brain.
I emailed the vendor yesterday about this time, outlining the complete lack of understandable action they had taken for their own mistake in the previous 24 hours - stating that I was unhappy, and outlining what I wanted them to do about it. Apparently, UPS Next Day Air Saturday Delivery is possible.
GI to serve in Iraq after cancer battle
The 42-year-old mother of two from Los Angeles is again poised for duty after an aggressive treatment plan — including a May 22 lumpectomy, a second surgery a week later and a five-day targeted radiation treatment. Staying behind wasn't an option, she said.
"The commander said, 'Are you sure? You have an opportunity to go home and be with your family and go through this.' And I said, 'No, I have a family here. I have my civilian family, but this is where I need to be and where I'm needed,'" Cowie said. #
Blessed are the dumb asses...
Ruth-- good point on immigrants needed to work those factory farms. I also like the comment, about Diamond's Collapse. But we needn't be so pestimistic, imo. I dunno, really. Wake me up tomorrow I'll say the opposite.
Mores are stronger than laws, imho. Remember the terrible shame that Faulkner's teacher suffers when Eula rejects him, loudly? Good ol' Oknetepowka (sp?) county.
emailed the vendor yesterday about this time, outlining the complete lack of understandable action they had taken for their own mistake in the previous 24 hours - stating that I was unhappy, and outlining what I wanted them to do about it. Apparently, UPS Next Day Air Saturday Delivery is possible.
plantsman, kabiu gay dude | 06.23.07 - 7:43 am | #
Not trying to bum you out, just wondering if you set the expectation levels high.
AXE Body spray.
They had to literally close a junior high school up here one day cuz the boys had doused themselves with so much of that stuff.
"The commander said, 'Are you sure? You have an opportunity to go home and be with your family and go through this.' And I said, 'No, I have a family here. I have my civilian family, but this is where I need to be and where I'm needed,'" Cowie said. #
Blessed are the dumb asses...
Gilly Gonzylon
I have a lot of respect for the esprit de corps this represents, actually.
Fresh sheets
Good ol' Oknetepowka (sp?) county.
Ruth | Homepage | 06.23.07 - 7:45 am | #
Yoknapatawpha.
just wondering if you set the expectation levels high.
Yeah, on purpose. The vendor has this grand Statement of Principle on their home page, unfortunately for them. I asked that they live up to their words, or take their words down. Just business.
Gilly
That reminds me of the Idaho family that bragged up that every member of their family
(at least the males)
had been encouraged and decided to enlist to fight terrorism
I had to ask myself at that point if it wasnt so bad living at home in Idaho that the benefits of leaving didnt outweigh staying at home and being a citizen instead of a army man on the battlefield
the mother was one of the more outspoken critics of Cindy Sheehan
one of the ones yelling "She Doesnt Speak For Me and meeting with the prez (or that brain damaged drunk who had his dad buy him a War President present for his birfday
Heinous, our tax dollars funding paramilitary thugs:
The amendment against SOA/WHINSEG funding failed last night in Congress by 6 votes!
From SOA Watch website:
The mission of the SOA has been to train soldiers to protect the interests of multinational corporationsand their cohorts in Latin America. Labor leaders and union organizers have always been among the primary targets of SOA violence.
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