I'MMA LET YOU FINISH
FISRSTSTYSTSTSTYSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!1111
O rnot.
A stiffe and freezing horror sucks vp the riuers of my blood: my haire stands an ende with the panting of my braines: mine eye balls are ready to start out, being beaten with the billowes of my teares: out of my weeping pen does the incke mournefully and more bitterly than gall drop on the palefac'd paper, euen when I do but thinke how the bowels of my sicke Country haue bene torne, Apollo therefore and you bewitching siluer-tongd Muses, get you gone, Inuocate none of your names: Sorrow & Truth, sit you on each side of me, whilst I am deliuered of this deadly burden: prompt me that I may vtter ruthfull and passionate condolement: arme my trembling hand, that it may boldly rip vp and Anatomize the vlcerous body of this Anthropophagized plague: lend me Art (without
Anthro-
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are Scithians,
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any counterfeit shadowing) to paint and delineate to the life the whole story of this mortall and pestiferous battaile, & you the ghosts of those more (by many) then 40000. that with the virulent poison of infection haue bene driuen out of your earthly dwellings: you desolate hand-wringing widowes, that beate your bosomes ouer your departing husbands: you wofully distracted mothers that with disheueld haire falne into swounds, whilst you lye kissing the insensible cold lips of your breathlesse Infants: you out-cast and downe-troden Orphanes, that shall many a yeare hence remember more freshly to mourne, when your mourning garments shall looke olde and be for gotten; And you the Genij of all those emptyed families, whose habitations are now among the Antipodes: Ioyne all your hands together, and with your bodies cast a ring about me: let me behold your ghastly vizages, that my paper may receiue their true pictures: Eccho forth your grones through the hollow truncke of my pen, and raine downe your gummy teares into mine Incke, that euen marble bosomes may be shaken with terrour, and hearts of Adamant melt into compassion.
What an vnmatchable torment were it for a man to be bard vp euery night in a vast silent Charnell-house? hung (to make it more hideous) with lamps dimly & slowly burning, in hollow and glimmering corners: where all the pauement should in stead of greene rushes, be strewed with blasted Rosemary: withered Hyacinthes, fatall Cipresse and Ewe, thickly mingled with heapes of dead mens bones: the bare ribbes of a father that begat him, lying there: here the Chaplesse hollow scull of a mother that bore him: round about him a thousand Coarses, some standing bolt vpright in their knotted winding sheets: others halfe mouldred in rotted coffins, that should suddenly yawne wide open, filling his nosthrils with noysome stench, and his eyes with the sight of nothing but crawling wormes. And to keepe such a poore wretch waking, he should heare no noise but of Toads croaking, Screech-Owles howling, Mandrakes shriking: were not this an infernall prison? would not the strongest-harted man (best with such a ghastly horror) looke wilde and runne madde? and die? And euen such a formidable shape did the diseased Citie appeare in: For he that durst (in the dead houre of gloomy midnight) haue bene so valiant, as to haue walkt through the still and melancholy streets, what thinke you should haue bene his musicke? Surely the loude grones of rauing sicke men; the strugling panges of soules departing: In euery house griefe strinking vp an Allarum: Seuants crying out for maisters: wiues for husbands, parents for children, children for their mothers: here he should haue met some frantically running to knock vp Sextons; there, others fearfully sweating with Coffins, to steale forth dead bodies, least the fatall hand-writing of death should seale vp their doores. And to make this dismall consort more full, round about him Bells heauily tolling in one place, and ringing out in another: The dreadfulnesse of such an houre, is in-vtterable: let vs goe further.
If some poore man, suddeinly starting out of a sweete and golden slumber, should behold his house flaming about his eares, all his family destroied in their sleepes by the mercilesse fire; himselfe in the very midst of it, wofully and like a madde man calling for helpe: would not the misery of such a distressed soule, appeare the greater, if the rich Vsurer dwelling next doore to him, should not stirre, (though he felt no part of the danger) but suffer him to perish, when the thrusting out of an arme might haue saued him? O how many thousands of wretched people haue acted this poore mans part? How often hath the amazed husband waking, found the comfort of his bedde lying breathlesse by his side! his children at the same instant gasping for life! and his seruants, mortally wounded at the hart by sicknes! the distracted creature, beats at death doores, exclaimes at windowes, his cries are sharp inough to pierce heauen, but on earth no eare is opend to receiue them.
And in this maner do the tedious minutes of the night stretch out the sorowes of ten thousand: It is now day, let vs looke forth and try what Consolation rizes with the Sun: not any, not any: for before the Iewell of the morning be fully set in siluer, hundred hungry graues stand gaping, and euery one of them (as at a breakfast) hath swallowed downe ten or eleuen liuelesse carcases: before dinner, in the same gulfe are twice so many more deuoured: and before the sun takes his rest, those numbers are doubled: Threescore that not many houres before had euery one seuerall lodgings very delicately furnisht, are now thrust altogether into one close roome: a litle noisome roome: not fully ten foote square. Doth not this strike coldly to ye hart of a worldly mizer? To some, the very sound of deaths name, is in stead of a passing-bell: what shall become of such a coward, being told that the selfe-same bodie of his, which now is so pampered with superfluous fare, so perfumed and bathed in odoriferous waters, and so gaily apparelled in varietie of fashio[n]s, must one day be throwne (like stinking carion) into a rank & rotten graue; where his goodly eies, yt did once shoote foorth such amorous glances, must be beaten out of his head: his lockes that hang wantonly dangling, troden in durt vnderfoote: this doubtlesse (like thunder) must needs strike him into the earth. But (wretched man!) when thou shalt see, and be assured (by tokens sent thee from heauen) that to morroe thou must be tumbled into a Mucke-pit, and suffer thy body to be bruisde and prest with three-score dead men, lying slouenly vpon thee, and thou to be vndermost of all! yea and perhaps halfe of that number were thine enemies! (and see how they may be reuenged, for the wormes that breed out of their putrifying carkasses, shall crawle in huge swarmes from them, and quite deuoure thee) what agonies will this strange newes driue thee into? If thou art in loue with thy selfe, this cannot choose but possesse thee with frenzie. But thou art gotten safe (out of the ciuill citie Calamitie) to thy Parkes and Pallaces in the Country, lading thy asses and thy Mules with thy gold, (thy god), thy plate, and thy Iewels: and the fruites of thy wombe thriftily growing vp but in one onely sonne, (the young Landlord of all thy carefull labours) him also hast thou rescued from the arrowes of infection; Now is thy soule iocund, and thy sences merry. But open thine eyes, thou Foole and behold that darling of thine eye, (thy sonne) turnd suddeinly into a lumpe of clay; the hand of pestilence hath smote him euen vnder thy wing: Now doest thou rent thine haire, blaspheme thy Creator, cursest thy creation, and basely descendest into bruitish & vnmanly passions, threatning in despite of death & his Plague, to maintaine the memory of thy childe, in the euerlasting brest of Marble: a tombe must now defend him from tempests: and for that purpose, the swetty hinde (that digs the rent he paies thee out of the entrailes of
I mean it, man.
My spirit growes faint with rowing in this Stygian Ferry, it can no longer endure the transportation of soules in this dolefull manner: let vs therefore shift a point of our Compasse, and (since there is no remedie, but that we must still bee vp and downe in this Mare mortuum) hoist vp all our sailes, and on the merry winges of a lustier winde seeke to arriue on some prosperous shoare.
Imagine then that all this while, Death (like a Spanish Leagar, or rather like stalking Tamberlaine) hath pitcht his tents, (being nothing but a heape of winding sheets tackt together) in the sinfully-polluted Suburbes: the Plague is Muster-maister and Marshall of the field: Burning Feauers, Boyles, Blaines, and Carbuncles, the Leaders, Lieutenants, Serieants, and Corporalls: the maine Army consisting (like Dunkirke) of a mingle-mangle, viz. dumpish Mourners, merry Sextons, hungry Coffin-sellers, scrubbing Bearers, and nastie Graue-makers: but indeed they are the Pioners of the Campe, that are imployed onely (like Moles) in casting vp of earth and digging of trenches; Feare and Trembling (the two catch-polles of Death) arrest euery one: No parley will be graunted, no composition stood vpon, But the Allarum is strucke vp, the Toxin ringes out for life, and no voyce heard but Tue, Tue, Kill, Kill, the little Belles onely (like small shot) doe yet goe off, and make no great worke for wormes, a hundred or two lost in euery skirmish, or so: but alas thats nothing: yet by those desperat salliies, what by open setting vpon them by day, and secret Ambuscadoes by night, the skirts of London were pittifully pared off, by litle and litle: which they within the gates perceiuing, it was no boot to bid them take their heeles, for away they trudge thick and threefold; some some riding, some on foote: some without bootes, some in their slippers, by water, by land, In shoales swom they West-ward, mary to Grauesend none went vnlesse they be driuen, for whosoeuer landed there neuer came back againe: Hacknies, water-men & Wagons, were not so terribly imployed many a yeare; so that within a short time, there was not a good horse in Smith-field, nor a Coach to be set eyes on. For after the world had once run vpon the wheeles of the Pest-cart, neither coach nor caroach durst appeare in his likenesse.
Let vs pursue these runnawayes no longer, but leaue them in the vnmercifull hands of the Country-hard-hearted Hobbinolls, (who are ordaind to be their Tormentors,) and returne backe to the siege of the Citie; for the enemie taking aduantage by their flight, planted his ordinance against the walls; here the Canons (like their great Bells) roard: the Plague tooke sore paines for a breach; he laid about him cruelly, ere he could get it, but at length he and his tiranous band entred: his purple colours were presently (with the sound of Bow-bell in stead of a trompet) aduanced, and ioynd to the Standard of the Citie; he marcht euen thorow Cheapside, and the capitall streets of Troynouant: the only blot of dishonor that struck vpon this Inuader, being this, that hee plaide the tyrant, not the conqueror, making hauocke of all, when he had all lying at the foote of his mercy. Men, women, & children dropt downe before him: houses were rifled, streetes ransact, beautifull maidens throwne on their beds, and ravisht by sicknes: rich mens Cofers broken open, and shared amongst prodigall heires and vnthriftie seruants: poore men vsde poorely, but not pittifully; he did very much hurt, yet some say he did very much good. Howsoeuer he behaued himselfe this intelligence runs current, that euery house lookt like S. Bartholomewes Hospitall, and euery street like Bucklersbury, for poore Methridatum and Dragon-water (being both of them in all the world, scarce worth three-pence) were bort in euery corner, and yet were both drunke euery houre at other mens cost. Lazarus laie groning at euery mans doore, mary no Diues was within to send him a crum, (for all your Gold-finches were fled to the woods) nor a dogge left to licke vp his sores, for they (like Currs) were knockt downe like Oxen, and fell thicker than Acornes.
I am amazed to remember what dead Marches were made of three thousand trooping together; husbands, wiues & children, being led as ordinarily to one graue, as if they had gone to one bed. And those that could shift for a time, and shrink their heads out of the collar (as many did) yet went they (most bitterly) miching and muffled vp & downe with Rue and Wormewood stuft into their eares and nosthrils, looking like so many Bores heads stuck with branches of Rosemary, to be serued in for Brawne at Christmas.
This was a rare worlde for the Church, who had wont to complaine for want of liuing, and now had more liuing thrust vpon her, than she knew how to bestow: to haue bene Clarke now to a parish Clarke, was better then to serue some foolish Iustice of Peace, or than the yeare before to haue had a Benefice. Sextons gaue out, if they might (as they hoped) continue these doings but a tweluemoneth longer, they and their posteritie would all ryde vppon footecloathes to the ende of the world. Amongst which worme-eaten generation, the three bald Sextons of limping Saint Gyles, Saint Sepulchres, and Saint Olaues, rulde the roaste more hotly, than euer did the Triumuiri of Rome. Iehochanan, Symeon, and Eleazar, neuer kept such a plaguy coyle in Ierusalem among the hunger-starued Iewes, as these three Sharkers did in their Parishes among naked Christians. Cursed they were I am sure by some to the pitte of hell, for tearing money out of their throates, that had not a crosse in their purses. But alas! they must haue it, it is their fee, and therefore giue the diuell his due: onely hearbe-wiues and gardeners (that neuer prayed before, vnlesse it were for Raine or faire Weather,) were now day and night vppon their marybones, that God would blesse the labors of those mole-catchers, because they sucke sweetnesse by this; for the price of flowers, Hearbes, and garlands, rose wonderfully, in so much that Rosemary which had wont to be sold for 12. pence an armefull, went now for six shillings a handful.
A fourth sharer likewise (these winding-sheete-weauers) deserues to haue my penne giue his lippes a Iewes Letter, but because he worships the Bakers good Lord & Maister, charitable S. Clement (whereas none of the other three euer had to do with any Saint) he shall scape the better: only let him take heede, that hauing all this yeare buried his praiers in the bellies of Fat ones, and plump Capon-eaters, (for no worse meat would downe this Bly-foxes stomach) let him I say take heede least (his flesh now falling away) his carcas be not plagu[ed] with leane ones, of whom (whilst the bill of Lord haue mercy vpon vs, was to be denied in no place) it was death for him to heare.
In this pittifull (or rather pittilesse) perplexitie stood London, forsaken like a Louer, forlorne like a widow, and disarmde of all comfort: disarmde I may well say, for fiue Rapiers were not stirring all this time, and those that were worne, had neuer bin seene, if any money could haue ben
I could in this place make your cheekes looke pale, and your hearts shake, with telling how some haue had 18. sores at one time running vpon them, others 10. and 12. many 4. and 5. and how those that haue bin foure times wounded by this yeares infection, haue dyed of the last wound, whilst others (that were hurt as often) goe vp and downe now with sounder limmes, then many that come out of France, and the Nether-lands. And descending from these, I could draw forth a Catalogue of many poore wretches, that in fieldes, in ditches, in common Cages, and vnder stalls (being either thrust by cruell maisters out of doores, or wanting all worldly succour but the common benefit of earth and aire haue most miserably perished. But to Chronicle these would weary a second Fabian.
We will therefore play the Souldiours, who at the end oof any notable battaile, with a kind of sad delight rehearse the memorable acts of their friends that lye mangled before them: some shewing how brauely they gaue the onset: some, how politickly they retirde: others, how manfully they gaue and receiued wounds: a fourth steps forth, and glories how valiantly hee lost an arme: all of them making (by this meanes) the remembrance euen of tragicall and mischieuous euents very delectable. Let vs striue to do so, discoursing (as it were at the end of this mortall siege of the plague) of the seuerall most worthy accidents, and strange birthes which this pestiferous yeare hath brought foorth: some of them yeelding Comicall and ridiculous stuffe, others lamentable: a third kind, vpholding rather admiration, then laughter or pittie.
As first, to relish the pallat of lickerish expectation, and withall to giue an Item how sudden a stabber this ruffianly swaggerer (Death) is, You must beleeue, that amongst all the weary number of those that (on their bare feete) haue trauaild (in this long and heauie vocation) to the Holy-land, one (whose name I could for neede bestow vpon you) but that I know you haue no need of it, (tho many want a good name) lying in that co[m]mon Innes of sick-men, his bed, & seeing the black & blew stripes of the plague sticking on his flesh, which he receiued as tokens (from heauen) that he was presently to goe dwell in the vpper world, most earnestly requested, and in a manner coniured his friend (who came to enterchange a last farewell) that hee would see him goe handsomely attirde into the wild Irish countrey of wormes, and for that purpose to bestow a Coffin vpon him: his friend louing him (not because he was poore (yet he was poore) but because hee was a Scholler: Alack that the West Indies stand so farre from Vniuersities! and that a minde richly apparelled should haue a threed-bare body!) made faithfull promise to him, that he should be naild vp, he would boord him, and for that purpose went instantly to one of the new-found trade of Coffin-cutters, bespoke one, and (like the Surueyour of deaths buildings) gaue direction how this little Tenement should be f
As first, to relish the pallat of lickerish expectation, and withall to giue an Item how sudden a stabber this ruffianly swaggerer (Death) is, You must beleeue, that amongst all the weary number of those that (on their bare feete) haue trauaild (in this long and heauie vocation) to the Holy-land, one (whose name I could for neede bestow vpon you) but that I know you haue no need of it, (tho many want a good name) lying in that co[m]mon Innes of sick-men, his bed, & seeing the black & blew stripes of the plague sticking on his flesh, which he receiued as tokens (from heauen) that he was presently to goe dwell in the vpper world, most earnestly requested, and in a manner coniured his friend (who came to enterchange a last farewell) that hee would see him goe handsomely attirde into the wild Irish countrey of wormes, and for that purpose to bestow a Coffin vpon him: his friend louing him (not because he was poore (yet he was poore) but because hee was a Scholler: Alack that the West Indies stand so farre from Vniuersities! and that a minde richly apparelled should haue a threed-bare body!) made faithfull promise to him, that he should be naild vp, he would boord him, and for that purpose went instantly to one of the new-found trade of Coffin-cutters, bespoke one, and (like the Surueyour of deaths buildings) gaue direction how this little Tenement should be framed, paying all the rent for it before hand. But note vpon what slippery ground life goes! little did he thinke to dwell in that roome himselfe which he had taken for his friend: yet it seemed the common law of mortalitie had so decreede, for hee was cald into the colde companie of his graue neighbours an houre before his infected friend, and had a long lease (euen till doomes day) in the same lodging, which in the strength of health he went to prepare for another. What credit therefore is to be giuen to breath, which like an harlot will runne away with euery minute. How nimble is sicknesse, and what skill hath he in all the weapons he plays withall? The greatest cutter that takes vp the Mediterranean Ile in Powles for his Gallery to wake in, cannot ward off his blowes. Hees the best Fencer in the world: Vincentio Sauiolo is no body to him: He has his Mandrittaes, Imbrocataes, Stamazones, and Stoccataes at his fingers ends: heele make you giue him ground, though ye were neuer worth foote of land, and beat you out of breath, though Aeolus himselfe plaid vpo[n] your wind-pipe.
To witnes which, I will call forth a Dutchman (yet now hees past calling for, has lost his hearing, for his eares by this time are eaten off with wormes) who (though hee dwelt in Bedlem) was not mad, yet the lookes of the Plague (which indeed are terrible) put him almost out of his wits, for when the snares of this cunning hunter (the Pestilence) were but newly layd, and yet layd (as my Dutch-man smelt it out well enough) to intrap poore mens liues that meant him no hurt, away sneakes my clipper of the kings english
dude, how do you defeat the carriage limits?
..um...phila.....that you...?
But the matter was tooke vp in a Tauerne; the case was altered, and brought to a new reckoning (mary the blood of the Burdeaux grape was first shead about it) but in the end, all anger on euery side was powred into a pottle pot, & there burnt to death. Now whether this Recantation was true, or whether the steeme of infection, fuming vp (like wine) into her braines made her talke thus idlely, I leaue it to the Iury.
And whilst they are canuasing her case, let vs see what dooings the Sexton of Stepney hath: whose ware-houses being all full of dead commodities, sauing one: that one hee left open a whole night (yet was it halfe full too) knowing ye theeues this yeare were too honest to break into such cellers. Besides those that were left there, had such plaguy pates, that none durst meddle with them for their liues. About twelue of the clock at midnight, when spirites walke, and not a mowse dare stirring, because cattes goe a catter-walling: Sinne, that all day durst not shew his head, came reeling out of an ale-house, in the shape of a drunkard, who no sooner smelt the winde, but he thought the ground vnder him danced the Canaries: houses seemed to turne on the toe, and all things went round: insomuch, that his legges drew a paire of Indentures, betweene his body and the earth, the principal couenant being that he for his part would stand to nothing what euer he saw: euery tree that came in his way, did he iustle, and yet chalenge it the next day to fight with him. If he had clipt but a quarter so much of the Kings siluer, as he did of the Kings english, his carcas had long ere this bene carrion for Crowes. But he liued by gaming, and had excellent casting, yet seldome won, for he drew reasonable good hands, but had very bad feete, that were not able to carry it away. This setter vp of Malt-men, being troubled with the staggers, fell into the self-same graue, that stood gaping wide open for a breakfast next morning, and imagining (when he was in) that he had stumbled into his owne house, and that all his bedfellowes (as they were indeede) were in their dead sleepe, he, (neuer complaining of colde, nor calling for more sheete) soundly takes a nap till he snores again: In the morning the Sexton comes plodding along, and casting vpon his fingers ends what he hopes ye dead pay of that day will come too, by that which he receiued the day before, (for Sextons now had better doings than either Tauernes or bawdy-houses) In that siluer contemplation, shrugging his shoulders together, he steppes ere he be aware on the brimmes of that pit, into which this worshipper of Bacchus was falne, where finding some dead mens bones, and a scull or two, that laie scattered here and there; before he lookt into this Coffer of wormes, those he takes vp, and flinges them in: one of the sculls battered the sconce of the sleeper, whilst the bones plaide with his nose; whose blowes waking his mustie worship, the first word that he cast vp, was an oath, and thinking the Can
Is this gonna be on the final?
Stop calling forth Dutchmen.
I man, please.
..um...phila.....that you...?
Sarah Deere | 06.14.08 - 4:03 am | # [kill][hide comment]
Yep.
Just got in, and figured any insomniac Atriots would do well to read Thomas Dekker.
Jesus on a unicycle....golly.
What are you doing up, Thers?
Oh!
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Just got in, and figured any insomniac Atriots would do well to read Thomas Dekker.
Utility infielder for the 1989 Brewers...?
Anyway... that scoot over to Pilot, in the rain? FUN!
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More ventrous than these block-heads was a certaine Iustice of peace, to whose gate being shut (for you must know that now there is no open house kept) a company of wilde fellowes being lead for robbing an Orchyard, the stout-hearted Constable rapt most couragiously, and would haue about with none, but the Iustice himselfe, who at last appeard in his likenesse aboue at a window, inquiring why they summond a parlie. It was deiliuered why: the case was opened to his examining wisedome, and that the euill doers were onely Londoners: at the name of Londoners, the Iustice clapping his hand on his brest (as who should say, Lord haue mercie vpon vs) started backe, and being wise enough to saue one, held his nose hard betweene his fore-finger and his thumbe, and speaking in that wise (like the fellow that described the villainous motion of Iulius Cæsar and the Duke of Guize, who (as he gaue it out) fought a combat together) pulling the casement close to him, cryed out in that quaile-pipe voice, that if they were Londoners, away with them to Limbo: take onely their names they were sore fellowes, and he would deale with them when time should serue: meaning, when the plague and they should not be so great together, and so they departed: the very name of Londoners being worse than ten whetstones to sharpen the sword of Iustice against them.
I could fill a large volume, and call it the second part of the hundred mery tales, onely with such ridiculous stuffe as this of the Iustice, but Dij meliora, I haue better matters to set my wits about: neither shall you wring out of my pen (though you lay it on the rack) the villainies of that damned Keeper, who kild all she keept; it had bene good to haue made her keeper of the common Iayle, and the holes of both Counters, for a number that lye there, that wish to be rid out of this motley world, shee would haue tickled them, and turned them ouer the thumbs. I will likewise let the Church-warden in Thames streete sleepe (for hees now past waking) who being requested by one of his neighbors to suffer his wife or child (that was then dead ) to lye in the Churchyard, answered in a mocking sort, he keept that lodging for himselfe and his houshold: and within three dayes after was driuen to hide his head in a hole himselfe. Neither will I speake a word of a poore boy (seruant to a Chandler) dwelling thereabouts, who being struck to the heart by sicknes, was first caryed away by water, to be left any where, but landing being denyed by an army of browne bill-men that kept the shore, back againe was he brought, and left in an out-celler, where lying groueling and groning on his face (amongst fagots, but not one of the set on fire to comfort him (there continued all night, and dyed miserably for want of succor. Nor of another poore wetch in the Parish of Saint Mary Ouereyes, who being in the morning throwne, as the fashion is, into a graue vpon a heape of carcases, that kayd for their complement, was found in the af
What are you doing up, Thers?
Going back to bed.
Gilly Gonzylon made me feel old, below.
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"one of the sculls battered the sconce of the sleeper, whilst the bones plaide with his nose; whose blowes waking his mustie worship"
and this means....??
Going back to bed.
Thers | Homepage | 06.14.08 - 4:07 am | # [kill][hide comment]
That's crazy talk...it's earkly yet.
and, Phila, the message I get here is that we have it fucking easy these modern days, in this particular country.
and this means....??
Sarah Deere | 06.14.08 - 4:09 am | # [kill][hide comment]
You're damned if you do, and damned if you don't.
and, Phila, the message I get here is that we have it fucking easy these modern days, in this particular country.
Sarah Deere | 06.14.08 - 4:10 am | # [kill][hide comment]
Give that woman a cigar.
What are you up to, Sarah?
Shit!
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Good morning, peeps.
I've been in transit and now at my beau's -- just 3 minutes ago saw that Tim Russert died, holy crap indeed.
It wasn't on the air, was it?
I've been in transit and now at my beau's -- just 3 minutes ago saw that Tim Russert died, holy crap indeed.
It wasn't on the air, was it?
Marcellina | Homepage | 06.14.08 - 4:15 am | # [kill][hide comment]
Dunno....have been avoiding the coverage...
Shit!
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Jeffraham Prestonian | Homepage | 06.14.08 - 4:14 am | # [kill][hide comment]
That;s amaZing...
Phila: That;s amaZing...
Like SFX from some sci-fi flick... but it's real!
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I wish I could find that photo of the orange unicycle scooter that some kid invented... gyro-stabilized, like the Segway, but gasoline-powered on ONE wheel...
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I really hope things ease up for the folks out that way. Guess I'm lucky to live in arid Arizona. Don't get me wrong though, we get tons of flooding every year out here.... Anyway, think positive thoughts, send them positive energy, they need it!!!!
Phila...the standard reply would be that I am 5' 5 and 3/4", shrinking daily 
I am, pretty much, fully back at work, which is a Good Thing. Bad Thing is that where I work, they are going ever more towards the corporate model, with increased productivity and diminishing salaries the new norm.
Sux. Actually, in defiance of the laws of physics, sux and blows at the same time. What type of job do you have? Job, work, earning a living, etc etc.
What type of job do you have? Job, work, earning a living, etc etc.
Sarah Deere | 06.14.08 - 4:23 am | # [kill][hide comment]
Normally, I write for a living. But I'm taking a bit of a break at the moment, as we have a bit of $$$ in the bank, and trying to figure out if I'd rather do something else....at least for a while.
Nice to be here w you, Sarah Deere. I'm on earlier than usual.
Like SFX from some sci-fi flick... but it's real!
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Jeffraham Prestonian | Homepage | 06.14.08 - 4:19 am | # [kill]
Yeah, it's always strange how fake real disasters look....
Also, as you may know, in the last yr I have lost my g'dtr to cancer, my best friend to ALS, and almost myself to pneumonia and excess of vices. My son is suffering from a mental illness catalyzed by his daughter's death, and, 5/30, my sister-in-law (age: 46) died unexpectedly, probably from an unintentional overdose of pain meds (migraines, insomnia), and I feel guilty because death comes in threes, and, since I did not die, my sr-in-law did in my place.
Very interesting video about 9/11. The guy holding the seminar squashes the pancake theory and had read 114 interviews given by NYFD fire fighters. Gets really interesting at the 42:00 mark when he discusses people there talking about what they experienced and the explosions they heard inside.
http://americanjourney.blogspot....n-
official.html
Jeff...my gawds. That pic of the tornado scared the bejeebus outta me!!!
And, Marcellina - hey there, kiddo!
It wasn't your time to die, Sarah. We cannot divine the whys and whens of our time on earth. It will happen when it happens, no one got your "place."
Phila, for whom do you write? My bro writes for motorcycle magazines and has been an editor in the not so distant past.
I feel guilty because death comes in threes, and, since I did not die, my sr-in-law did in my place.
Sarah Deere | 06.14.08 - 4:28 am | # [kill][hide comment]
I know about most of this, and I'm amazed at, and admiring of, your stamina.
That said....I'm an extremely superstitious person, in many ways. But the simple facts are that death doesn't come in threes, and you have nothing to feel guilty about. I picture you being a pillar of strength for your family, and I'll bet that I'm absolutely right to feel that way.
On the lighter side, I've got today's Euro2008 Fan Pic of the Day up at the homepage.
Phila, for whom do you write?
I write for anyone who pays me, really. Textbooks are what brings in most of the money, normally, but as a freelance writer/researcher I'll do just about anything I'm asked to do
I do a fair amount of editing, as well. And will even stoop to copy editing now and again, although I absolutely fucking hate doing it.
Intellectually, I know that, Marcellina. Emotionally, not so much.
But, yes, you are right, I know that. Just slides under my defenses now and then.
beau's up,
have a good morning, beautiful people.
have a good morning, beautiful people.
Marcellina | Homepage | 06.14.08 - 4:39 am | # [kill][hide comment]
Likewise.
Marcellina - very, very good to have "seen" you. All the best to you, dear.
Sarah Deere, big hug for you.
Now I'm outta here.
Compare and contrast:
I turn on the local TV here in Iowa, they have cancelled all regular programming to cover the local floods 24/7.
I turn on Cable news, it's a 24/7 Russert-fest.
I turn to Eschaton, some idiot's flooding the comments with Old English drivel.
hey peeps
I don't think that was old english. Unless you speak german you probably wouldn't have understood any old english.
Suzuki has a couple of interesting concept bikes...
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Old English drivel.
Yeah, right.
I don't think that was old english. Unless you speak german you probably wouldn't have understood any old english.
MikeJ | 06.14.08 - 4:44 am | # [kill][hide comment]
Renaissance English, basically. Granting that I had no good reason to post so much of it here, anyone who considers it "drivel" is way too stupid to talk to.
Morning peeps.
The first of the Laws of Alfred:
Of ðissum anum dome mon mæg geðencean, þæt he æghwelcne on ryht gedemeð; ne ðearf he nanra domboca oþerra. Geðence he, þæt he nanum men ne deme þæt he nolde ðæt he him demde, gif he ðone dom ofer hine sohte. Siððan ðæt þa gelamp, þæt monega ðeoda Cristes geleafan onfengon, þa wurdon monega seonoðas geond ealne middangeard gegaderode, 7 eac swa geond Angelcyn, siððan hie Cristes geleafan onfengon, halegra biscepa 7 eac oðerra geðungenra witena. Hie ða gesetton, for ðære mildheortnesse þe Crist lærde, æt mæstra hwelcre misdæde þætte ða weoruldhlafordas moston mid hiora leafan buton synne æt þam forman gylte þære fiohbote onfon, þe hie ða gesettan. Buton æt hlafordsearwe hie nane mildheortnesse ne dorston gecweðan, forþam ðe God ælmihtig þam nane ne gedemde þe hine oferhogdon, ne Crist Godes sunu þam nane ne gedemde þe hine to deaðe sealde, 7 he bebead þone hlaford lufian swa hine. Hie ða on monegum senoðum monegra menniscra misdæda bote gesetton, 7 on monega senoðbec hie writan, hwær anne dom hwær oþern
GravatarThe first of the Laws of Alfred:
He's not the boss of me....
Of ðissum anum dome mon mæg geðencean, þæt he æghwelcne on ryht gedemeð; ne ðearf he nanra domboca oþerra. Geðence he, þæt he nanum men ne deme þæt he nolde ðæt he him demde, gif he ðone dom ofer hine sohte. Siððan ðæt þa gelamp, þæt monega ðeoda Cristes geleafan onfengon, þa wurdon monega seonoðas geond ealne middangeard gegaderode, 7 eac swa geond Angelcyn, siððan hie Cristes geleafan onfengon, halegra biscepa 7 eac oðerra geðungenra witena. Hie ða gesetton, for ðære mildheortnesse þe Crist lærde, æt mæstra hwelcre misdæde þætte ða weoruldhlafordas moston
Which translates into:
Head On - Apply directly to the forehead
Head On - Apply directly to the forehead
Head On - Apply directly to the forehead
How's HK, Barry?
I made big plans to visit circa 1996, but never managed it....
I made big plans to visit circa 1996, but never managed it....
Phila, Pizen Sarpint
Everything is fine here, cloudy but not stormy like yesterday.
I must attempt to sleep. Probably back later when I fail.
Need some wood?
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As much as I hate Russert, I'd rather listen to the Cable News Russell homage than be force fed someone's attempt to edumacate me with their literchure.
Now you'll have to excuse me as I have to get up and go to work in a few hours (if it's still there). I have to grade your stupid kids' high school English exams for their standardized tests. I tend to grade more harshly when I'm irritated. I click one little box on my terminal and your kid either gets into college or not.
I'm not sure Feed the Children is the best charity for flood relief.
Also, they seem to be a Christian organization, a part of Larry Jones Ministries, so I automatically have doubts.
More
Gettin' hungree.
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I found it! The Uno Cycle!
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As much as I hate Russert, I'd rather listen to the Cable News Russell homage than be force fed someone's attempt to edumacate me with their literchure.
No one's force-feeding you anything. You don't like it, don't read it.
Shit!
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Jeffraham Prestonian
That's gorgeous.
'morning, bats.
Sarah -- You've had the year from hell. I hope you're seeing someone to help with this survivor guilt thing. Hospices usually have excellent grief/bereavement programs.
I'm glad you're still among us.
I've been trying to get attention to the horrors going on in my town, now there's a thread up on this subject, and you shit all over it with your crap that you decided we needed to read. Nobody's going to read ANYTHING in this thread after seeing your drivel take up the top dozen slots. So much for Thers' attempt to help disaster-striken people who were abandoned by their government.
Yeah, Feed The Children is a poor choice of charities. If you want to help, donate to the Iowa Red Cross. We sent people to help Katrina. Nobody's helping us now.
But then, nobody's going to read this since someone flooded the thread.
Guess who will claim credit for this:
Saudi Arabia, the world’s biggest oil exporter, is planning to increase its output next month by about a half-million barrels a day, according to analysts and oil traders who have been briefed by Saudi officials.
I only saw flood coverage at the local news stations in the evening news.
During the 6:00PM reports there was near nothing.
charlie: Chill! About the thread, I mean. I've been checking the news about Iowa pretty frequently; I really hadn't heard much about it until yesterday morning (I think it was) when someone posted a link to the TV station up there.
The Des Moines register isn't updating frequently enough to satisfy me.
Are you in Cedar Rapids?
I'm in the ARC's national volunteer database, if they say the word I'll get on a plane . . .
Must have been the original ska version of Israelites.
Didn't realize there were that many verses.
Phila -- did you get your wireless situation figured out? NTodd said he'd send you that router; send him an e-mail if you want to make arrangements for that.
But then, nobody's going to read this since someone flooded the thread.
Yep. This single thread is the sole source for midwest flood news.
"Need a fainting couch, heah!"
Next.
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Can we now assume that interviews with government officials are no longer "off-the-record", now that the "preeminent political journalist of his generation" is no longer with us?
DFH -- I don't think the whole culture is going to change overnight. Look at the consequences that befell TR as a result of his complicity in that whole thing, and his silence about the fact that he'd spoken to (was it?) the grand jury: Nuttin'.
DFH in Dubrovnik: Can we now assume that interviews with government officials are no longer "off-the-record", now that the "preeminent political journalist of his generation" is no longer with us?
Nope.
The beltway minions who're conducting the hagiographic bullshit admire Russert's standards.
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Rather than watch the circle jerk yesterday I turned on "Fame"
Was fun.
Saudi Arabia, the world’s biggest oil exporter, is planning to increase its output next month by about a half-million barrels a day, according to analysts and oil traders who have been briefed by Saudi officials.
V for Virginia, discouraged
Well this is very interesting news. We'll see very soon if they're even capable of increasing production significantly.
If not, then I guess it's time to stock up in rice and beans....
Bobby Jindal should perform an exorcism on the floods
I'm worried about all the empty shelves at the scooter shoppes...
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ql -- I can't watch. I'll be subsisting on real estate pr0n and L&O reruns all weekend.
from what I've read, the Saudis will be releasing heavy crude which no one wants. They will then take it off the market again saying, "see, there's no problem with supply"
OMFG!
Someone from Clarksville is reading here at this hour?
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I think mebbe I'll get some eggy burritos before going to bed.
Gotta wait at least 26 minutes from now, though.
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Dirty fuckin' hippies!
OMFG!
Someone from Clarksville is reading here at this hour?
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Jeffraham Prestonian
That would possibly be me, though I am in Hopkinsville, KY. Pushed ads which try to "guess" where I am usually guess Clarksville, sometimes MO.
WV -- how are you doing?
WV -- how are you doing?
V for Virginia
I am hangin' in there. You?
Willendorf Venus: That would possibly be me, though I am in Hopkinsville, KY. Pushed ads which try to "guess" where I am usually guess Clarksville, sometimes MO.
Well, sheeeeit! That's close-by!
StatCounter ratted ya out, btw; not an ad.
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WV I'm OK.
Did you go to Howey Academy? And are you about 54?
/trying for Smallest World Ever record
I don't know if I should feel guilty or not. Five days after entering medical school there is some kind of ceremony to which parents are invited. Since the kid is in Seattle we've decided not to attend. SIL will go in our stead.
ql -- Sorry you're missing it, but there will be other, more significant ceremonies to attend
Well, sheeeeit! That's close-by!
Yep. I work in Clarksville, though. Going to start working from home 2 days a week, though, woot!
WV I'm OK.
Did you go to Howey Academy? And are you about 54?
/trying for Smallest World Ever record
V for Virginia
Sorry, the world isn't quite that small 
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Burp! So Obama flipped on Israel and Palestine. Used to be Palestine was important, now he's all about Israel. I've said before that I'm hopeful -BUT- he's an unknown quantity. So will he flip on FCC rules, the environment, and whatever else? I'm unsettled.
ql - what V for V said. The kid surely knows you are as proud as can be.
I also hear he's a secret Muslim who refused to be sworn in on a bible, and spit on the flag during the pledge of allegiance.
Willendorf Venus: Yep. I work in Clarksville, though. Going to start working from home 2 days a week, though, woot!
I know gas prices are insane, but... any chance you can get down here for a hoppy hour, sometime? We have Atriots, here!
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V - don't act like a DLC Dem. You know what I'm talking about.
I heard the flooding in Iowa is bcause people voted for Obama
V for Virginia: I also hear he's a secret Muslim who refused to be sworn in on a bible, and spit on the flag during the pledge of allegiance.
I heard it was a gay shemale's semen that he spit on the flag.
Maybe we should send that to snopes...
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CityKid, are you concerned he will continue authorizing torture and illegal wiretapping? Do you think he will subvert the laws of habeas corpus? Do you think he will get us into unnecessary wars? Do you think he wants to start a war with Iran?
I saw Obama eat a baby.
CityKid, are you concerned he will continue authorizing torture and illegal wiretapping? Do you think he will subvert the laws of habeas corpus? Do you think he will get us into unnecessary wars? Do you think he wants to start a war with Iran?
Yes, I think he might.
MikeJ: I saw Obama eat a baby.
And right after that? He turned down a free cup of shithouse coffee!
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I saw Obama eat a baby.
MikeJ
With relish?
I would not like to eat a baby with Barack Obama.
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I saw Obama eat a baby.
MikeJ
With relish?
Willendorf Venus
With hummus, silly!
Obama made my cow go dry.
I know gas prices are insane, but... any chance you can get down here for a hoppy hour, sometime? We have Atriots, here!
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Jeffraham Prestonian
I have seen the photographic evidence of Atriots in Nashville. Would love to come sometime, it just hasn't worked out that I could swing it, yet.
1. I don't think Obama is the Savior
2. I don't think Obama is Satan
3. I'm not voting for McCain under any circumstances
4. How is my 2000 vote for Nader working out for you?
Hey, it's a rhetorical cheap shot to accuse me of a variety of things that other people have said about Obama. I am actually quite hopeful but: 1) he's a dem and many dems have been too closely aligned with the corps, rethugs and NOT the people (can you say Bill Clinton and the Communications Act????) So, I have my fears.
Yes, I think he might.
CityKid
I only hope he gets the chance to prove you wrong. It is looking increasingly more likely, though I refuse to get too hopeful.
Morning, folks.
I only hope he gets the chance to prove you wrong. It is looking increasingly more likely, though I refuse to get too hopeful.
Willendorf Venus
We are in complete agreement!
Off my balcony, five minutes ago.
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Holy shit:
In a brazen attack, Taliban fighters assaulted the main prison in the southern Afghan city of Kandahar on Friday night, blowing up the mud walls, killing 15 guards and freeing around 1,200 inmates. Among the escapees were about 350 Taliban members, including commanders, would-be suicide bombers and assassins, said Ahmed Wali Karzai, the head of Kandahar’s provincial council and a brother of President Hamid Karzai.
Off my balcony, five minutes ago.
Hey, it's always 04:20 somewhere.
We are in complete agreement!
CityKid
I feel the same way as you RE the Democratic party. Always registered independent because I didn't think the Democrats were progressive enough.
The last 8 years have convinced me that progressive people should participate or else the party will never move in the right direction.
Good ole Ed Hale from the worlds crappiest web site sent me another email reassuring me that I'm going to jail:
"Well, I am sure glad you think so, cause that an't what I was told. They will be coming to get u and your friends. The joke is on you. Your going to be looking out of window that has bars on it. Have fun"
Thanks Ed, I'll be watching
Oh, and I did some poking thru his page source code today, his stupid counter is a "fake" counter running in javascript that artificially is set to log 15,000 hits a day. But its broken.
1. I don't think Obama is the Savior
Funny, I was just listening to Billy Bragg's version of Woody Guthrie's lyrics:
Let's have Christ our President / Let us have him for our king / Cast your vote for the Carpenter / That they call the Nazarene
The only way / We could ever beat / These crooked politician men
Is to cast the moneychangers / Out of the temple / Put the Carpenter in
Oh it's Jesus Christ our President / God above our king / With a job and pension for young and old / We will make hallelujah ring
Every year we waste enough / To feed the ones who starve / We build our civilization up / And we shoot it down with wars
But with the Carpenter / On the seat / Way up in the capitol town
The USA / Be on the way / Prosperity bound
Never voted for Nader, though.
Oh, and I did some poking thru his page source code today, his stupid counter is a "fake" counter running in javascript that artificially is set to log 15,000 hits a day. But its broken.
Barry
It is not nice to torment the stupid.
How weirs is this: there's a large wildfire just outside of town. Two years ago it rained 27 days in June. This year, barely a drop.
*weird*
The last 8 years have convinced me that progressive people should participate or else the party will never move in the right direction.
Willendorf Venus |
In a past life I was a state delegate and party member (I attended monthly meetings of our county party) - then the DLC horned in (rethugs lite), the "I'm for social and fiscal responsibility." It was too much BS for me and I left the party (I think lots of other folks did too.) Those democrats that have pledged themselves to the public and the common have my full support, BUT the scumbags (can you say DLC or Bill Clinton) that have sold us out and tossed us a few cookies deserve to be shamed. Flame off.
Good morning
No fookin' way a longhaired Jewish carpenter is getting elected.
How weirs is this: there's a large wildfire just outside of town. Two years ago it rained 27 days in June. This year, barely a drop.
Moe Szyslak
Wisconsin: All your rain are belong to us.
Good morning
Gromit
Hey, there.
WV - you in Wisco? The "monthly meetings I was referring to were the Brown Cnty Dems.
Hmm, I'm not the only one up early. Off to make brekkie. bbl.
15 minutes until Del Taco!
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WV - you in Wisco? The "monthly meetings I was referring to were the Brown Cnty Dems.
CityKid
Nope. I was speculating as to why Moe's area wasn't getting any rain.
Hmm, I'm not the only one up early. Off to make brekkie. bbl.
Gromit
It's depends on your "point of view" I'm just getting ready to go to bed.
It is not nice to torment the stupid.
Willendorf Venus
Hee, even David Neiwert has picked up on him. Down toward the bottom of the post.
Del Taco? Have a "Del's Deal" now -- two egg&cheese burritos and taters for $2.
Dang, that's a good deal.
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Nope. I was speculating as to why Moe's area wasn't getting any rain.
Willendorf Venus
Good luck with weather patterns - even more complicated now days than politics.
Yo Barry, is it early or late?
Yo Barry, is it early or late?
CityKid (Nader troll)
Well, 7pm ish here, but bed time, have a 2 am flight to Sharjah.
Okay. Boot-up for Del Taco, biotches!
♥
Barry, I thought you were hooked up with the mainstream and the lower 48 (Dayton in particular)....so you're back to your bad old ways eahh. I'm about to "pull the pin" myself.
Barry, I thought you were hooked up with the mainstream and the lower 48 (Dayton in particular)....so you're back to your bad old ways eahh. I'm about to "pull the pin" myself.
CityKid (Nader troll)
Wednesday is Ohio flight, that is still happening.
Well, I'm glad you have a sense of where you are. If it were me I'd be lost.. Too much technology - too fast.
Obama flipped on Israel and Palestine. Used to be Palestine was important, now he's all about Israel. I've said before that I'm hopeful -BUT- he's an unknown quantity. So will he flip on FCC rules, the environment, and whatever else?
Depends on how much he has to be, and wants to be isolated from voter's opinions. If there is too much crazyness coming his way, he may only listen to his staffers (which I hop are good).
That said:
Well, I'm glad you have a sense of where you are. If it were me I'd be lost.. Too much technology - too fast.
CityKid (Nader troll)
Red Cross' Midwest Flooding Blog
Red Cross' Flickr Stream
WTF???
That said:
Well, I'm glad you have a sense of where you are. If it were me I'd be lost.. Too much technology - too fast.
WDVX to relax the nerves.
I give up - was trying to post the link for www.wdvx.com. Bedtime for this boy.
Well, I'm glad you have a sense of where you are. If it were me I'd be lost.. Too much technology - too fast.
CityKid (Nader troll)
Heee, one hotel room is pretty much like another.
Bedders now, nite bats
Heee, one hotel room is pretty much like another.
Not if you're Neil Bush.
Oh goodness, poor Iowa. These folks feed us, too.
Good day, beautiful people!
I'm kinda just hanging out while the beau's studying. Raining today.
Raining today.
Two words I'd rather not hear.
Planned Parenthood: They make videos!
Phila, if you're still here--Thanks. I loved your writing earlier this morning.
Anyone hear from attaturk?
At the homepage below you'll find today's Euro2008 Fan Pic of the Day. Sweden!
Excerpts from a biting analysis of the SC Habeas decision this week.
“It was disturbing,” writes the newspaper, “that four justices dissented from this eminently reasonable decision.” The Times, as always, puts the mildest interpretation on the event and fails to investigate the socio-political significance of the fact “that habeas hangs by a single vote in the Supreme Court of the United States,” i.e., that one vote separates the American political machinery from an open endorsement of police-state rule.
“the notion of a state of exception ... underlies the whole architecture of Bush war on terror policies. Simply put, these policies argue that while the Executive is limited by the checks and balances of the American constitution during peacetime and at home, all those shackles fall away when war erupts and when he acts outside the nation’s territory.”
For the past seven years, Americans have witnessed an effort to engineer a ‘state of exception’ to the American constitution.”
Scalia and the other extreme right-wingers on the Supreme Court, not to beat around the bush, represent a fascistic element, who hold democratic rights in contempt and in whose theory of jurisprudence the interests of the state take precedence over everything else.
Shamelessly, Scalia argues that had the military not been assured by Bush administration legal advisers that Guantánamo was outside the jurisdiction of the federal court system, it would not have transported the detainees there, “but would have kept them in Afghanistan, transferred them to another of our foreign military bases, or turned them over to allies for detention. Those other facilities might well have been worse for the detainees themselves.”
The court majority in its ruling, claims Scalia, “elbows aside” not only the military, but “Congress and the Executive—both political branches,” which “have determined that limiting the role of civilian courts in adjudicating whether prisoners captured abroad are properly detained is important to success in the war that some 190,000 of our men and women are now fighting.”
The media frequently refers to “the brilliant Antonin Scalia,” in an attempt to endow a veneer of intellectual respectability to a legal “philosophy” that draws its inspiration from the religious obscurantism of the Inquisition and the political aims of extreme reaction. It is well known that Scalia’s approach to legal issues is unprincipled and cynical. Scalia decides his cases on the basis of political convictions, which are rabidly antidemocratic, and then works backward to concoct a sophistical justification for the objective he has decided on in advance.
Smoke 'em if you've got 'em!
Go Sweden!!!
Interesting, Gimlet.
The German word for "state of emergency" is actually literally translated as "state of exception".
And yes, this administration has engineered a continuing state of exception in order to get what they want.
Del Taco? Have a "Del's Deal" now -- two egg&cheese burritos and taters for $2.
That's what took out Pumpkinhead.
NYT: "Rudolph W. Giuliani is offering to go to Republican fund-raisers if he receives cash to offset his presidential campaign debt."
He really is part vampire, no?
Morning, you gorgeous moonbats!
Hi Molly,
New Sloan disc out!
Morning, rational people.
I bring you tidings of great joy: Ruth is back from her vacation.
A few more excerpts
The four dissenting Supreme Court justices, John Roberts, Antonin Scalia, Clarence Thomas and Joseph Alito, defend the right of the Bush administration to proceed in its “war on terror” with utter disregard for the Constitution and elementary democratic rights. They are, in essence, proponents of authoritarian rule. The savagery at Guantánamo is not a source of shame or even concern for them, but the wave of the future.
Chief Justice Roberts, in his dissenting opinion, denounced the majority view, arguing that the “political branches” (the executive and the Congress) had “crafted these procedures [for trials of detainees] amidst an ongoing military conflict, after much careful investigation and thorough debate.” The former—“the most generous set of procedural protections ever afforded aliens detained by this country as enemy combatants,” according to Roberts—include interrogation through coercion and torture and kangaroo courts run by the military.
Roberts, in one extraordinary passage, observes that “The majority rests its decision on abstract and hypothetical concerns.”
Marcellina, I love your pictures of the mountains & the theater, but your European soccer fan pictures are becoming my favorites.
Roberts, in one extraordinary passage, observes that “The majority rests its decision on abstract and hypothetical concerns.”
Gimlet
Like justice?
'morning again, one and all.
I hope Atta checks in soon. I looked at the Des Moines Register earlier; the last thing was they expect the levees to hold. (His office is the endangered thing; his house is evidently on high ground).
Cedar Rapids is a damned mess.
attention paid to people suffering in places other than new york or washington?
what a novel idea
i hate the american media
loathe it
Thanks WV! That's good to hear, 'cos I've two weeks more of this to go. I'm beginning to feel like a sports journalist at times.
Chief Justice Roberts, in his dissenting opinion, denounced the majority view, arguing that the “political branches” (the executive and the Congress) had “crafted these procedures [for trials of detainees] amidst an ongoing military conflict, after much careful investigation and thorough debate.”
[pulls on hip waders to get through this giant pile of shit]
Like justice?
Willendorf Venus
New Sloan disc out!
Sweet!
Curses Haloscan!!!!
Like justice?
Willendorf Venus
There is nothing “abstract and hypothetical” about the denial of basic rights to the Guantánamo prisoners or the character of their detention.
In December 2004, for instance, the Washington Post reported the allegations of an FBI agent who revealed that inmates at Guantánamo “were shackled to the floor in fetal positions for more than 24 hours at a time, left without food and water, and allowed to defecate on themselves.” Other techniques included the use of growling dogs, extreme heat and cold and sexual humiliation. ACLU Executive Director Anthony D. Romero told the Post that the incidents described in the FBI documents “can only be described as torture.”
"abstract or hypothetical concerns" makes me laugh. Unexplained Code Orange alert, anyone?
Just got in, and figured any insomniac Atriots would do well to read Thomas Dekker.
Phila, Pizen Sarpint
That must have been the extended "dub" mix. I liked his stuff with the Aces.
New Sloan disc out!
Local boys.
Morning! Scanning up from bottom of the thread, I run into this (Billy Bragg's lyrics fun, too):
1. I don't think Obama is the Savior
2. I don't think Obama is Satan
3. I'm not voting for McCain under any circumstances
4. How is my 2000 vote for Nader working out for you?
V for Virginia
So V, yeah, Obama is showing both his promise and his inexperience. As Bill Clinton recently said, he was green when he took office, too. I remember how disappointed I was when he threw his inaugural extravaganza. But he surrounded himself with good people, and I remember how he put out solutions that appealed to both sides, disarmed grumpy republicans, and managed to fly.
Obama is on a steep learning curve, as we saw in the early debates. He's skimming on the surface of some issues, but I think his advisors are taking him down the right path.
Stupid.
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Morning, gang. I guess I shouldn't be surprised to see that it's still all Punkinhaid, all the time on cable news this morning.
Obama is on a steep learning curve, as we saw in the early debates. He's skimming on the surface of some issues, but I think his advisors are taking him down the right path.
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I just hope that path includes lessons on getting under McCain's skin during a debate so that we can see some of McCain's charming temper.
Who says Friday the 13th isn't unlucky.
re-HICA!
What's better than a Del Taco breakfast?
A free Del Taco breakfast!
I got there at opening, and the manager showed up ten minutes later.
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Regarding the flooding (yes, I'm on topic -- shocking!), I was living in St. Louis in 1993, and I was interning in a law office in tiny Wood River, Ill., that summer.
I remember frantically moving furniture and computers and files upstairs one day because it looked like the levees 1,000 yards from the office wouldn't hold. I remember my friends and colleagues taking shifts at all hours, walking the levees to look for breaches. And I remember entire towns literally washed away by the raging waters.
This is true tragedy (although you wouldn't know it from watching cable news today), and my heart goes out to the Midwest yet again.
Well, Bill Clinton was a nice, moderate Republican, in my opinion.
I don't think Obama is the walking fulfillment of the aspirations that course through my DFH veins, but he's what we've got. Maybe he can be pushed in a progressive direction; maybe we're stuck with another centrist. But honestly, we CAN'T have another 4-8 years of this batshit craziness.
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But honestly, we CAN'T have another 4-8 years of this batshit craziness.
V for Virginia
...or I would have to kill me some motherfuckers & that just ain't right.
But honestly, we CAN'T have another 4-8 years of this batshit craziness.
V for Virginia, discouraged
WhatV4V said.
all Punkinhaid, all the time
I had a different take about him. In interviews with Obama, McCain, he asked equally tough questions of both. But I saw him get in the trenches and agressively carve out a fair perspective for Obama when he most needed it, during the height of the Hill attacks.
BBC online carried his death immediate story.
Friday night talking heads consensus that he was the gold standard for reading EVERYTHING his interviewees had written, and thus prevented his show from being a platform for their talking points. His pointed questioning brought out different stuff.
Atrios wants to take your car away, above.
I want Del Taco.
Shout out to Jeffraham.
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