I'MMA LET YOU FINISH

buon giorno.


GravatarHuzzah!


GravatarMaybe they should call it the Espresso line.


Gravatartop ten


GravatarYou mean Phoenix was ahead of Seattle? Unbelievable.

(It took until the late 80s for Phoenix to finally complete the last piece of I-10...)


GravatarI took a bus to Sea/Tac once.


Gravatar71 minutes seems rather long.


Gravatar71 minutes seems rather long.

no no no...

it's 71/2 minutes... that's 35.5 minutes!


GravatarGWPDA

Did you see this?

Henry Allingham, the world's oldest man and one of the last surviving World War I servicemen, has died at the age of 113, his care home has said.


GravatarIf I remember correctly from a few years ago the buses were free in downtown Seattle during the workday; I know they were on Saturdays.


GravatarIn Phoenix they run every 10 minutes during peak hours and 20 minutes at other times, though at this point they are still figuring out the timing and the GPS system which is used to tell waiting riders when the next train is scheduled to arrive, is not yet working so you arrive at the platform but you have no idea how soon the next train is really coming.


GravatarNew ChooChoo

Gesundheit!


GravatarSo weren't some locals complaining here the other day that this new light rail set-up takes 10-15 minutes longer to traverse the same route as the bus it's replacing?


Gravatar...at this point they are still figuring out the timing and the GPS system which is used to tell waiting riders when the next train is scheduled to arrive, is not yet working so you arrive at the platform but you have no idea how soon the next train is really coming.

We've got that for our LRT system. And, next year, a couple of bus lines are gonna upgrade to that. It's pretty slick.


Gravatarracy,

How you feeling?


GravatarMorning, good.


Gravatarso you arrive at the platform but you have no idea how soon the next train is really coming.
r€nato



How very 20th century.


Gravatar...the GPS system which is used to tell waiting riders when the next train is scheduled to arrive, is not yet working so you arrive at the platform but you have no idea how soon the next train is really coming.

There used to be this thing called a "schedule"... it was "printed" on something called "paper".


Gravatarbut the religious theory that good is stronger and will always prevail is total bullshit.
dirk gently, sociopathetic | Homepage | 07.18.09 - 10:53 am | #


It's not bullshit, it's wishful thinking.


GravatarWe've got that for our LRT system. And, next year, a couple of bus lines are gonna upgrade to that. It's pretty slick.
AndyG


Finally I'll have proof for Hominem's Theorem: at least one bus will pass by going the other way while you are waiting for yours.

Huzzah!


GravatarMy little train-lover is here. Talk to you lovely liberals later.


Gravatarracy,

How you feeling?
Hecate, Runnymeade Conspirator


Well...

I am looking forward to mornings where the first thing I do is something other than plan my pain management strategy for the rest of the day.

Other than that, I have a nice cuppajoe, not feeling too bad.


Gravatar"Real-time" scheduling w/ GPS really comes in handy...especially during the winter when there are many weather delays.


GravatarSometimes a weinermobile is just a weinermobile.

Jeffraham, public option | Homepage | 07.18.09 - 10:54 am | #


no doubt.


GravatarThere used to be this thing called a "schedule"... it was "printed" on something called "paper".
dave™©


Remings me of the Asimov story about a guy who re-discovers how to multiply, using only pencil and paper.


GravatarRemings me of the Asimov story about a guy who re-discovers how to multiply, using only pencil and paper.

Those crazy sci-fi writers - what'll they come up with next?


GravatarWisconsin is finally making an investment in SUPERTRAINS!
http://www.jsonline.com/news/sta...s/ 51035307.html

Madison — Wisconsin will purchase two trains from a Spanish manufacturer that plans to establish assembly and maintenance facilities in the state, Gov. Jim Doyle announced Friday morning.

Talgo is expected to create about 80 manufacturing and maintenance jobs in Wisconsin. The company could add more jobs if other states buy its trains, Doyle said.

Locations of the assembly and maintenance facilities haven't been chosen yet, but a statement from Doyle said they're likely to be located in south-central or southeastern Wisconsin. Antonio Perez, chief executive officer and president of Talgo Inc., the company's U.S. subsidiary, said it has scouted locations in Milwaukee and Janesville. Milwaukee Mayor Tom Barrett said he would push hard to win the plant.

The two 14-car Talgo train sets, which will cost the state $47  million, will replace cars now used on Amtrak's Milwaukee-to-Chicago Hiawatha Service. They will boost the capacity of each Hiawatha train from 350 to 420 passengers. Hiawatha ridership jumped 24% last year, to 766,167.

If Wisconsin wins federal stimulus funding to begin 110-mph passenger rail service between Madison and Milwaukee, it has the option to purchase two more trains from the company.


Gravatar...and curse the Chinese for inventing gunpowder!


GravatarYou can most likely access a "static" schedule over your cell phone, too. That at least gives you a starting point...


GravatarClearly Atrios was deprived of choo-choo sets when he was a kid.


Gravatar. . . and another thing (missed the discussion last thread) I have never seen this country so polarized and dumbstruck as at this time.

I was of age during the sixties and this is much, much worse. There is a cadre of people who live to hate and another cadre of people dedicated to feeding that hatred by any means possible.

Those who are even sort of wise (McCain) recognize this for what it is: a Hitler-Germany-type of mindset, but this has not discouraged either the haters or those who feed the hate.

Everything - even innocuous things - are now politicized to the point of absurdity. (Obama is not a natural born citizen, he wants to take your guns, health care is BAD, and on and on.)

I have little faith that this country will prosper and an intense worry that this will end in violence.


GravatarIs that a weinermobile in your garage or is your house just happy to see me?

http://www.jsonline.com/news/wis...n/ 51050767.html
Wienermobile crashes into Racine County home


Gravatarracymind,

Glad you are feeling better: the pain management thing is a bitch though. (Sometimes it just does not go away - ever - not even for an instant)


GravatarI see city names these days,like Seattle in the post, and the first thing I wanna do is check the weather. I am so tired of the heat already... and the dog days used to be one of my favorite times of the year.

I think I want a cool night/morning more than anything. I need to get out and walk, but it is so icky hot and humid. Grrrrr...


Gravataryeah no one with sense should go to washington state or nevada for any reason.


GravatarEverything - even innocuous things - are now politicized to the point of absurdity. (Obama is not a natural born citizen, he wants to take your guns, health care is BAD, and on and on.)


DWD do you remember the hard-hats beating up hippies? It's the same people, 40 years on. So in a sense at least, I must disagree. It's just Nixon's constituency, the Silent Majority, who have never ever shut up, not even once.


I have little faith that this country will prosper and an intense worry that this will end in violence.
DWD-Sordid


You may be right. Certainly, they are violent people.


GravatarBeat ya, Guy in Milwaukee, linked to the "Wiener Zu Hause" last thread.


GravatarI was of age during the sixties and this is much, much worse. There is a cadre of people who live to hate and another cadre of people dedicated to feeding that hatred by any means possible.

I remember the Archie Bunkers spitting on long hair veterans. The police riot in Chicago in 1968. The desperation of the Weathermen. The war on the panthers. The murder of Fred Hampton. Cointelpro.
Go look at some clips of the mob at Little Rock when it was being integrated or in Boston during busing.


GravatarCome buy a scooter from me, today, y'all.


Gravatarb b m l


GravatarI think I want a cool night/morning more than anything. I need to get out and walk, but it is so icky hot and humid. Grrrrr...
racymind


You could come here--it's fall-like in Minneapolis right now. About 60 deg F.


GravatarIn 30 years, trains and subways in the US won't be as good as they are in Taiwan (and probably a lot of the rest of the developed world) Right. Now.
-


GravatarOne of my heroes, Paul Ehrlich, has been yelling about overpopulation for decades. It is at the root of most of our problems, too many of us.

We had the choice to limit that number or to see those numbers adjusted in less gentle ways.
noblejoanie | Homepage | 07.18.09 - 10:44 am | #


Had this discussion with my friend last night. She's from a family of 7 and doesn't see problems with parents having 4 or more children. In theory this is all fine, if mommy and daddy can support the children. But when every set of parents has many children, and they all want to live a 'first world' lifestyle, then it becomes a bit problematic.
Buckeye ... | 07.18.09 - 11:01 am


GravatarA video tape of "Joe" to Adam Hominem, fellow optimist.


GravatarGlad you are feeling better: the pain management thing is a bitch though. (Sometimes it just does not go away - ever - not even for an instant)
DWD-Sordid


Yeah, compared to what some others go through, my pain worries are small. I may plan a day around pain management, others have to plan their lives around it. I will get better, but I am a little impatient about the pace of my healing. so it goes.


Gravatar(It took until the late 80s for Phoenix to finally complete the last piece of I-10...)
r€nato | 07.18.09 - 10:46 am | #


syracuse will never, ever, ever, ever finish i481. by state law, i think.


GravatarHere is some good blog coverage with pics of the new light rail in Seattle:

http://www.nwprogressive.org/web...o-end- test.html


GravatarThat's the story of my life plantsman.
Day late. Dollar short.


GravatarBUT these were not in every town and every church: this is different. Yes, I remember the haters but there was only a limited network for them to be fed their hate: Carl McIntyre - Joe Pyne - et al.

Now you have mainstream churches, essentially, preaching that killing an abortion doctor is nothing more than they deserved. (And that is not even to contemplate the mind-set of those who see NOTHING amiss with our economic system that a few more tax cuts to the rich will not improve.)

No. I have thought of this for a long time and this is much different: much more main-stream and socially acceptable to be a sociopath now.


GravatarRacy, glad to see you here; I'm not sure of your age but know for myself that healing takes much longer than it used to.


GravatarAnd yet, they won't let me on board.  Unless I wear one of those stupid vest thingies. 


GravatarDWD,

Great bit from Frank Rich this weekend, about the Palinistas:

...she [Palin] stands for a genuine movement: a dwindling white nonurban America that is aflame with grievances and awash in self-pity as the country hurtles into the 21st century and leaves it behind.

Aflame in grievances and awash in self-pity. That says it all.


GravatarYou could come here--it's fall-like in Minneapolis right now. About 60 deg F.
Adam Hominem |


Heh... I checked the weather in about 10 cities this morning, Minneapolis was one of them. Seattle weather was particularly appealing, some highs in the 80's, nice and cool at night.


GravatarAnd yet, they won't let me on board. Unless I wear one of those stupid vest thingies.
Arthur J. GWPDA, Appts Secy | 07.18.09 - 11:06 am | #


same here, but with pants.


GravatarTralfaz, you may well be right, but Taiwan has dog fashion shows; HuffPo had a slideshow of one last week.


GravatarBack in the 60s there was plenty of stupid but the difference was it was not okay to be stupid. Now our society /MSM celebrate it.


GravatarYou could come here--it's fall-like in Minneapolis right now. About 60 deg F.

I love October in Minnesota. This is perfect fence-putting-up weather.


GravatarBuckeye, what happened in Dayton is that a way of life passed. Boys graduated from HS and worked at GM, or some variation hereof. Girls worked at NCR or Reynolds & Reynolds til they married a GM man and had babies.

It's all gone now, so they hide in the megachurches, blame anybody they can, and pray for better times. If they can find work, it's in the medical field, where they treat the pain of the lost lifestyles.

I know 'cuz it's what happened to one whole side of my family. It's an incredibly sad thing to see.
stuckinlodi | 07.18.09 - 10:56 am


But a lot of the fundies in the Dayton area have good jobs, live in the burbs, etc. The loss of the way Dayton was is part of it, but not all of it. Interestingly, a lot of our nurses are rural raised/living and are fundies. Odd, that. On the job, you must adhere to science, off the job you deny it.


GravatarAdam Hominem,

I think what really bothers me is that, in the end, the law stopped people from their vicious behavior.

I am not so sure it will anymore. Ya know?


GravatarA video tape of "Joe" to Adam Hominem, fellow optimist.
rootless-e, ahora con picante


Yeah, that was one depressing movie.

Maybe DWD needs it more than me.


Gravatarno seattle sux pretty bad but you like it


Gravataralthough in pheonix, i'm sure arthur j wears a vest AND pants.

haha.


GravatarGo look at some clips of the mob at Little Rock when it was being integrated or in Boston during busing

I wonder if this is what's going to eventually be required for single payer.


GravatarMetro light rail logged 90,000 riders when it opened last December, with some waiting in lines for two to three hours.

Everybody wants to write the first graffito on the back of the seat...


GravatarBack in the 60s there was plenty of stupid but the difference was it was not okay to be stupid. Now our society /MSM celebrate it.
noblejoanie

Yep


GravatarAdam Hominem,

I remember "Joe" very well: it was a brutally honest movie IIRC.


Gravatar Back in the 60s there was plenty of stupid but the difference was it was not okay to be stupid. Now our society /MSM celebrate it.
noblejoanie

Yep
DWD-Sordid


No kidding... how long does Walter Cronkite have to be dead before he starts spinning in his grave?


Gravatar Domestic Terrorism?


GravatarCould this be Roadmasters home?


GravatarAre any liberal bloggers safe?


GravatarWe've got that for our LRT system. And, next year, a couple of bus lines are gonna upgrade to that. It's pretty slick.
AndyG

Finally I'll have proof for Hominem's Theorem: at least one bus will pass by going the other way while you are waiting for yours.

Huzzah!
Adam Hominem | 07.18.09 - 10:54 am | #


Buckeye's Theory: The bus you are waiting for is running late, and you have to make a transfer downtown. If you cross the street to get another bus, the bus you were originally waiting for will come by and the bus you are now waiting for will be late.

And no, Dayton doesn't have those fancy GPS tracking systems so the actual passengers out waiting for the bus know what the bus status is.


Gravatar'Joe' was a good film with a very young Susan Sarandon.


GravatarWhen one gets up at 5:30, 11:07 FEELS like lunch-time.

Later, 'bats.

(Sorry to be so depressing)

Peace


GravatarDayton has busses?


GravatarAddendum: I posted this paragraph last night: it might be worth reading (Charles Kuralt)

Openly opposed to the fast paced, minimal information format of many news broadcasts, through the years Kuralt has chastised television executives for "hiring hair instead of brains." Quoted in TV Guide on 2 April 1994, Kuralt said, "I am ashamed that so many [anchorpersons] haven't any basis on which to make a news judgment, can't edit, can't write, and can't cover a story."


GravatarGot a kick out of this in the "comments" section of a story on Sotomayor at SFGate:

the minorities are becoming the majority in this country. it's a bitter pill for white republicans to swallow. they better hope that the new majority doesn't treat the new minority the same way the old majority has treated the old minority.


GravatarI saw a bus in Dayton. It was running on a cable.


GravatarDayton has busses?
Shared Humanity


In theory, but you can never find one when you want one, at least according to Buckeye.



Gravatarsyracuse will never, ever, ever, ever finish i481. by state law, i think.
dirk gently, sociopathetic


Same with Houston and I-610, I-45, I-10, I-69. They finish one round of redesign, it's time to rip it up and start a new one...


Gravatar"Thirteen year after voters approved the taxes to build it"


There's the rub...


GravatarWhat else does Dayton have the we're not aware of. And when did they get it?


GravatarBack in the 60s there was plenty of stupid but the difference was it was not okay to be stupid. Now our society /MSM celebrate it.
noblejoanie


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z...h? v=z9r4RHP8si0


GravatarI've gotta go get 250 lbs. of post cement. Later.


GravatarDayton has busses?
Shared Humanity

In theory, but you can never find one when you want one, at least according to Buckeye.


Adam Hominem | 07.18.09 - 11:15 am | #




And, starting on August 16, with the route cuts, you really won't be able to find a bus when you want one.



GravatarOpenly opposed to the fast paced, minimal information format of many news broadcasts, through the years Kuralt has chastised television executives for "hiring hair instead of brains." Quoted in TV Guide on 2 April 1994, Kuralt said, "I am ashamed that so many [anchorpersons] haven't any basis on which to make a news judgment, can't edit, can't write, and can't cover a story."
DWD-Sordid


He's got a point, but it's worth remembering that his entire career AFAIR was composed of feel-good pieces, with precious little content.

Not to mention his secret family...


GravatarInterestingly, a lot of our nurses are rural raised/living and are fundies. Odd, that. On the job, you must adhere to science, off the job you deny it.

With the exception of any Jehovah's Witnesses, none of the science the nurses are using on the job is denied in their churches. Whether the earth is 6K or 6 billion years old, the prescriptions and the scanners all still work.


Gravatarwhen I went to the market this morning I had to wait while a freight train went through.
Little town is divided by rails, 35 trains a day pass through. Coal trains and container trains, usually a mile or so long.


GravatarI've gotta go get 250 lbs. of post cement. Later.

No matter what they say, you're not dumb as a post.

Just a little hard headed.


GravatarWhat else does Dayton have the we're not aware of. And when did they get it?
Shared Humanity | 07.18.09 - 11:16 am | #


The air show this weekend. Though with the low clouds, no one is going to see anything today.

And whatever we have left is probably going to move Atlanta.



Gravatar
Openly opposed to the fast paced, minimal information format of many news broadcasts, through the years Kuralt has chastised television executives for "hiring hair instead of brains." Quoted in TV Guide on 2 April 1994, Kuralt said, "I am ashamed that so many [anchorpersons] haven't any basis on which to make a news judgment, can't edit, can't write, and can't cover a story."
DWD-Sordid

reminds me of the jon stewart line:
as rare as a brunette on fox news.


Gravatar.they better hope that the new majority doesn't treat the new minority the same way the old majority has treated the old minority.


Luckily for them, rather than a new majority, what we have is a white plurality. The other groups, although they may constitute more than half of America, will likelycontinue to be played against one another by the media-empowered white establishment for some time to come.


Gravatar"I am ashamed that so many [anchorpersons] haven't any basis on which to make a news judgment, can't edit, can't write, and can't cover a story."
DWD-Sordid


Gravatarreminds me of the jon stewart line:
as rare as a brunette on fox news.
peterboy




Gravatar"So weren't some locals complaining here the other day that this new light rail set-up takes 10-15 minutes longer to traverse the same route as the bus it's replacing?"


That's not really the point of light rail.

Also, it takes about the same amount of time for the train and the express route (194). It might also depend on the time of day, as the latter uses the highway for part of the trip.

I believe the train also has longer and more frequent service.

No baggage space on the 194 or 174, either.


Gravatar"I am ashamed that so many [anchorpersons] haven't any basis on which to make a news judgment, can't edit, can't write, and can't cover a story."
DWD-Sordid
.

Kuralt was one of those who took the whole idea of "TV News" seriously. Silly man...


GravatarLuckily for them, rather than a new majority, what we have is a white plurality. The other groups, although they may constitute more than half of America, will likelycontinue to be played against one another by the media-empowered white establishment for some time to come.
slartibartfast


Lani Guinier made an entire career of studying just this point.


GravatarI've gotta go get 250 lbs. of post cement. Later.


should get pre-cement, it's easier to work.


GravatarInterestingly, a lot of our nurses are rural raised/living and are fundies. Odd, that. On the job, you must adhere to science, off the job you deny it.

With the exception of any Jehovah's Witnesses, none of the science the nurses are using on the job is denied in their churches. Whether the earth is 6K or 6 billion years old, the prescriptions and the scanners all still work.
Anonymous | 07.18.09 - 11:17 am | #


Oh, this is quite true. But were are 'evidence-based'. But this applies only to medicine, not other sciences. So people like my boss can believe in Creationism and shit like that. And not find it odd at all.


GravatarI didn't believe that anyone, anymore, believe the earth was only 6K years old.

And then I met someone who did. It's like believing the earth is flat, y'know?


Gravataryou can find this letter to Rep. Rangel on the cbo.gov.

It is the buried lead on the true cost of health care reform over 10 years. It came out yesterday.

it adds to the deficit, but only a tiny amount over 10 years. I have no idea why it was buried in a release late on Friday or why it isnt getting covered now. I learned about it at the orange satan.


Honorable Charles B. Rangel
Page 3
By the end of the 10-year period, in 2019, the coverage provisions would add
$202 billion to the federal deficit, CBO and JCT estimate. That increase would be
partially offset by net cost savings of $50 billion and additional revenues of
$86 billion, resulting in a net increase in the deficit of an estimated $65 billion.

$65 billion over 10 years is pretty small.


GravatarAnd then I met someone who did. It's like believing the earth is flat, y'know?
Adam Hominem


For the most part, reality has a very tenuous relatiionship with what people believe.


GravatarIt's all about relationships. We weant to be your news friend. [/Chatterbunnies


Gravatarwe want.


GravatarKuralt was one of those who took the whole idea of "TV News" seriously. Silly man...
Meanie-meanie, tickle a person


I don't know what that statement is based on, other than Kuralt's self-serving words, of course.

Like I said, all I remember from him, during a time when he could have been doing some good, were anecdotes about the goodness in people blown up to entire stories.

Also, unlike actual news, Kuralt always seemed to have been given plenty of time in the broadcast for his pieces. Funny, that.


Gravatarthanks, adam h.


Gravatar...Which is to say that it is tribalism that for the most part dictates what people's world view is. That was no doubt quite an adaptive social strategy in the bad old days of the Pleistocene, but nowadays it is distinctly problematic.


Gravatar6.5 billion annually on a trillion dollar budget deficit.

Cheap


Gravatar...Which is to say that it is tribalism that for the most part dictates what people's world view is. That was no doubt quite an adaptive social strategy in the bad old days of the Pleistocene, but nowadays it is distinctly problematic.
slartibartfast


Yes! I think the tribal nature of man is highly underrated (at our peril), and seems to be very much a part of our DNA.


GravatarI didn't believe that anyone, anymore, believe the earth was only 6K years old.

And then I met someone who did. It's like believing the earth is flat, y'know?
Adam Hominem | 07.18.09 - 11:22 am | #


My boss was having a conversation with one of the docs, and somehow she mentioned the 6000 years old bit.

A bit later he saw me in the hallway and told me he had no idea she was a fundy. he was quite shocked.


Gravatarthe good old days

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4...h? v=4BDlZig4SEo


GravatarOnce carpooled for 2 years to work with a Northwestern trained engineer. Commute was about 40 minutes so we had a lot of time to talk. He and his wife were volunteering to help former gangbangers, part of their Christian Ministry. He was a really good person.

He shared with me that he believed everything in the Bible was literally true.

I asked him how he was able to reconcile this with all of the scientific evidence to the contrary. He admitted some difficulty with this.


Gravatar6.5 billion annually on a trillion dollar budget deficit.

Cheap
noblejoanie


Every camel's back has a straw, doesn't it?


GravatarI didn't care for Charles Kuralt.

Don't know why; just didn't.


Gravatar"he believed everything in the Bible was literally true."


People can be so fucking stupid...


GravatarA bit later he saw me in the hallway and told me he had no idea she was a fundy. he was quite shocked.
Buckeye ...


Lunacy. Make the point, though, that it's not just trailer dwellers with no teeth who believe this stuff. On the contrary, the person who told me he believed it had a PhD.


GravatarIt's like believing the earth is flat, y'know?
Adam Hominem


Both beliefs are ridiculous.


Gravatar"he believed everything in the Bible was literally true."


People can be so fucking stupid...
fred


Particularly since the bible contradicts itself from one page to the next.


GravatarI didn't care for Charles Kuralt.

Don't know why; just didn't.
Terry C - Castrating B*tch-


He was exactly like Eric Sevareid. He never actually said a fucking thing you could take home with you, and they both didn't say it at considerable length.

I mourn Cronkite, but either of those guys? No.


GravatarThe ad says "Democrats Are Scared...Find Out Why."

How about "Republicans ARE Delusional....I KNOW Why!"?


GravatarA bit later he saw me in the hallway and told me he had no idea she was a fundy. he was quite shocked.
Buckeye ...

Lunacy. Make the point, though, that it's not just trailer dwellers with no teeth who believe this stuff. On the contrary, the person who told me he believed it had a PhD.
Adam Hominem | 07.18.09 - 11:29 am | #


My boss is very, very smart woman. But her mom was a fundy, and her husband's very conservative. So, she believes literally in the bible.

My mom was pretty religious, but neither she nor her father, a pastor, believed in the bible as literal truth.


GravatarIt never ceases to mystify me how some people can tolerate the stark cognitive dissonance of simultaneously harboring elaborate belief systems based on both the scientific method and tribal mythology. But there are many such people, even some of them who are in my line of work - viz. Francis Collins.


GravatarHe was exactly like Eric Sevareid. He never actually said a fucking thing you could take home with you, and they both didn't say it at considerable length.

I mourn Cronkite, but either of those guys? No.
Adam Hominem


I didn't care for Sevareid either. And you just hit on the reason why.


GravatarPeople can be so fucking stupid...
fred | 07.18.09 - 11:28 am | #


Well, that was not the conclusion that I drew. This guy was actually quite bright. His wife was a medical resident. And yet their faith allowed them to hold what appeared to be radically contradictory views of the universe.


GravatarBuckeye, the current fundies in Dayton - some of them anyway - are people who have recovered economically. But the foundation of the society is gone.

The rural fundies, like your nurses, were always there, gut the economy has forced them to come into town to get jobs.

Innaresting place, Dayton metro area - an amateur sociologist's dream .


GravatarAnd yet their faith allowed them to hold what appeared to be radically contradictory views of the universe.
Shared Humanity


That's why they call it faith.


GravatarThe ad says "Democrats Are Scared...Find Out Why."

i don't know why this should be a positive thing. we aren't playing football, for christ's sake. i'm pretty sure the tibetans were scared when china's army started approaching, but that didn't really have any bearing on who was right or wrong, or what outcome would be best.

fucking republicans. always at war with everyone, for no other sake than to be at war.


Gravatarback when dems were bare knuckle
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L...h? v=LWusOhZpq7w


Gravatarnice one on cronkite and halberstam over at glenzilla.
not too too long, either, or wordy.

includes this.

UPDATE II: In the hours and hours of preening, ponderous, self-serving media tributes to Walter Cronkite, here is a clip you won't see, in which Cronkite -- when asked what is his biggest regret -- says (h/t sysprog):

What do I regret? Well, I regret that in our attempt to establish some standards, we didn't make them stick. We couldn't find a way to pass them on to another generation.

It's impossible even to imagine the likes of Brian Williams, Tom Brokow and friends interrupting their pompously baritone, melodramatic, self-glorifying exploitation of Cronkite's death to spend a second pondering what he meant by that.

http://www.salon.com/opinion/gre...wald/ index.html


GravatarSevareid was great as himself in The Right Stuff.


Gravatarback when dems were bare knuckle

never aired, though.


Gravatar"Well, that was not the conclusion that I drew. This guy was actually quite bright. His wife was a medical resident. And yet their faith allowed them to hold what appeared to be radically contradictory views of the universe."


True, but I consider that to be profoundly stupid, particularly *because* they are so educated. They don't have an excuse.

The Bible is a perfectly workable document without needing to believe it as literal truth. It's when people try to put the proverbial square peg in a round hole that they start being wackjobs.

I have a couple of relatives just like that. Boggles the mind.


GravatarI don't personally see how any sensible connotation of the word "faith" can used to justify belief in things that are manifestly, demonstrably at odds with reality. The correct word is "denial".


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GravatarYuck. Ick. Ptui.

Scott SImon interviewing a couple about their fifty year anniversary.

And there are SHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEETS


GravatarThe famed hot dog's Wienermobile crashed Friday into the deck and garage of a home in Mount Pleasant, about 35 miles south of Milwaukee.


If there were any weiners on it, the homeowners didn't have to worry about what to have for dinner that night.


Gravatarcats love trains. if you love cats, you love trains


Gravatari found an illustration for a monorail in my children's 'encyclopedia set-the book of knowledge'. said it would be coming soon in 1912.


GravatarWe also have the South Lake Union Trolley, with the acronym SLUT. Tshirts say 'ride the SLUT', awesome...


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